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Speaker 1: Down yet another player, which is now John we can

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Speaker 1: Is your club healthy for the big showdown week Yes?

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Speaker 1: Starting with Ohio State tomorrow night. Yes, they're pretty healthy.

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Speaker 4: And tomorrow night's game just announced today can be heard

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Speaker 4: Tomorrow night against the number ten Ohio State will be

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Speaker 1: That is absolutely I should say impressive for sure. As

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Speaker 1: Do you want another hot button issue that you probably

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Speaker 1: This is we actually have discussed this before. As sensitive

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Speaker 3: having Timmy John surgery.

436
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 4: Uh.

437
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 3: And it happened early in spring in spring training. Uh,

438
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 3: I still remember being in the Guardian's office and Rick

439
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 3: Anderson and and Nathan's being a trooper, you know, talking

440
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 3: to us in the office, and He's got his arm

441
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 3: around him, you know, and it was, uh, he knew

442
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 3: his theater was over. And the crazy thing but Joe

443
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 3: was that he knew, he knew what he had to

444
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 3: do because he'd already had reconstructive shoulder surgery earlier in

445
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 3: his career. So to me, he was always been the

446
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 3: medical marvel because I don't know, know too many pictures

447
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,919
Speaker 3: of reconstructive shoulder and elbow injuries and still come out

448
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 3: on the other side throwing ninety five. And uh, that's

449
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 3: what stet out to me about about Joe. And you know,

450
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 3: this is a flashback because the same situation. You know,

451
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 3: you're throwing on a throw some early bullpen session and

452
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 3: all of a sudden you fill the twins. Next thing

453
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 3: you know, you see this over. So, uh, it's a blow.

454
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 3: It's step employees, it's no way around it. And we

455
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 3: have to come to grips with the possibility hest on

456
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 3: his last pitch for the twins, because if there's a

457
00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 3: workstoppage in twenty twenty seven. Uh, even more on us

458
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 3: now with the news that Tony Clark had to resign

459
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 3: today because the guy's going to step in and lead

460
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 3: the negotiations, Bruce Meyer is a hard ass extremist and

461
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 3: it's just gonna be so combative. Now, I don't know

462
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 3: how that's going to help the sides reaching agreement. So

463
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,439
Speaker 3: that may whack twenty twenty seven, and that means we

464
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 3: may never see Pubble in the Twins uniform again.

465
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very, very possible.

466
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 1: As you say, do you think this is likely Whatever

467
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: plan the Twins are claiming they have, do you think

468
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: it's likely that they may alter it on this basis

469
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: that they may feel a little closer to debt on arrival,

470
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: and that as I think hard as it is to

471
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,719
Speaker 1: sell the idea of we're gonna unload everybody that we

472
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 1: can get good value on that it might be a

473
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 1: better way for this team to go at this point.

474
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 3: Well, I think they've pivoted hard at the trade deadline

475
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 3: last year and dealt the house away. I'm not sure

476
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 3: if they would do it in this case, especially because

477
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,360
Speaker 3: they've got a lot of nearly ready arms and we've

478
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 3: seen that Bie pitched a little bit when seemed faster.

479
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 3: They're on the development path. Mckabel, Todds Bradley apparently are close,

480
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 3: you know to amazingly ready too. So it seems like

481
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 3: they're gonna have candidates bos fourth and fifth starts spots

482
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 3: now instead of this is the fifth spot spot because

483
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be Ryan over Well, I guess

484
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 3: the Sydney Woods Richardson's got a better chance of making

485
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 3: the team. And then you're gonna have a battle royale

486
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 3: for these other spots here. And I mean, are they

487
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 3: household names so they established pitches, No they're not. But

488
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 3: their pitchers are you know, proven that they're good enough

489
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 3: at Triple A, and it's time for them to see

490
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 3: if they can stick in the majors. This is just

491
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 3: a runway for them to get starts and to learn

492
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 3: how to get major jutters out. So yeah, there's gonna

493
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 3: be rhyme pains there because you were hoping that Pablo

494
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 3: would pitch for most of the season. It went fifteen games,

495
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 3: and now there may be just make cotin ten ones,

496
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 3: you know, and you're if you took the if you

497
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 3: took the over in Vegas of seventy five four four

498
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 3: and a half, seventy four and a half that you

499
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 3: gotta be scratched your head right now thinking that that

500
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 3: could be a little bit in jeopardy. I don't know

501
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 3: if this is gonna encourage the Twins to pursue a

502
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 3: Joe Ryan trade, but I think you start the season

503
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 3: to see what happens, and then you make a seasons

504
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 3: after the first couple of months.

505
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have time, That's true. You do have time.

506
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 3: You do have time, and and you may have more

507
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 3: motivated buyers as you go into this season as well,

508
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 3: so you may be entypes of Adams. Let's remember there

509
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 3: were teams that just did and Ryan last year before

510
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 3: the deadline, and he was They were asking about him

511
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 3: during off season as well. But this, this injury affects

512
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 3: probably the one area the team that had relatively decent

513
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 3: depths to it, which is the rotation. So I think

514
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 3: he had play it out.

515
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 2: You know, we talked about this yesterday.

516
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: I think Buckston met the Masses in spring training yesterday

517
00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 1: or the day before and basically was more outspoken than

518
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: he generally is, saying that he had some disappointment with

519
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: the fact that the Twins didn't shut down any of

520
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: the offseason rumors or speculation about the possibility of him

521
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: being traded. And what confused me about that is, I

522
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: don't know. I think we found eventually the reporter there

523
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: were there were a couple of reports, as you I

524
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: think know that for the first time indicated that even

525
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: though Buckston had proclaimed I'm a twin for life, I

526
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: got a no trade clause, I'm not going anywhere that

527
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: Since then, like after the season, there was some reporting

528
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: that indicated that Buxton might be a little bit more

529
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:41,479
Speaker 1: willing to consider waving his no trade clause. So and

530
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: that would seem to have, if not come from from

531
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,239
Speaker 1: him someone close to him, because I think, what do

532
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: we say the reporter was yesterday guards he it was

533
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: one of the one of the best national baseball writers.

534
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 2: I can't think of his name. It was passing exactly.

535
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 2: That was the guy.

536
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: So then I'm trying to figure, aw, wait a minute,

537
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: how can you be mad if somebody representing you were

538
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: sending out feelers not that long ago that you might

539
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: be willing to to to move on.

540
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 2: How did you? How did you process all this?

541
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 3: If I would have been there, I'm not trying to

542
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 3: knock the people who were there asking questions. But my

543
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 3: thing would have been, well, Buck, the work got got

544
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 3: yicked out somehow someone on your side that you might

545
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 3: be willing to labor no trade closet get moved. I

546
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 3: would have brought that up, and also want to couple

547
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 3: that with a comedy made latency. And I think it

548
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 3: was maybe the Betsy health and and the Fineer press

549
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,719
Speaker 3: about not wanting to go through another rebuilding plan and say,

550
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,719
Speaker 3: I mean we were this would be my third building,

551
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 3: the plans that would have been here. You know, he

552
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 3: made a comment to that Claire, those two together, and

553
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 3: you know there's a message out there that that you know,

554
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,239
Speaker 3: it's kind of uh connected to his side of the

555
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 3: deal here. So if if he, if he if maybe

556
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 3: he could have came out too, he could have he

557
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 3: could have linked it out to his people and saying

558
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 3: that thinks the direction here is okay and that he's

559
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 3: willing to stick with it and see what works out,

560
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 3: and you know he's happy with Shelle team. Uh that

561
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 3: those sentiments never reached the media, Uh just just kind

562
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 3: of festered during the off season. I was a little

563
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 3: surprised to hear that from Byron and when I saw

564
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 3: the headline on our website, I would think, what because

565
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 3: I we heard something else, We heard the opposite of this.

566
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 3: So I was kind of waiting to see if there's

567
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 3: going be a blockbuff during the winter during the off season.

568
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 3: It never happened. And if something someone indicate said the

569
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 3: right words of Bucks and then make him stand down

570
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 3: on that, well he should have let someone know that

571
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 3: he was standing down in it.

572
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, he could have proclaimed that, you know, via you know,

573
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: social media himself. And to be honest, I don't think

574
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: anybody would look at it as a negative if he

575
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: did right. In fact, in this town, it would be like,

576
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: we can't blame him at some point. He had a

577
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: really good season this last season. Maybe he wants to

578
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: try to go someplace where he's got a chance to win.

579
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: I mean, nobody. It wasn't like anybody was gonna hold

580
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,479
Speaker 1: it against him like he was being whiny or being

581
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: ungrateful or being difficult.

582
00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 2: I don't think.

583
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 3: I think whoever was left the wrong after the smoke

584
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 3: cleared from the trade deadline had the right to be

585
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 3: pissed off. And there was report that Joe Ryan was

586
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 3: that one of those guys that was upset about how

587
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 3: things transpired, So I would have been upset too if if, if,

588
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 3: if this extent to the extent of their fire sail

589
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 3: was foisted upon all the remaining players. I mean, god,

590
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 3: they traded away all the very talented bullpen and you know,

591
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 3: we saw what happened after the trade time, well, how

592
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 3: the bootmen performed. I wouldn't I wouldn't have held it

593
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 3: against Buxton if he came out and expressed his disappointment

594
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 3: and frustration. But at the time I gave him him

595
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 3: credit because him and Javier Vasquez, Uh, I think they

596
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 3: were in Cleveland right after the break and they runted

597
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 3: the troops up and had a big dinner. Yeah, and

598
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 3: you know, and and and got the message straight by Hey,

599
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 3: you know, we're here for each other. We're gonna see

600
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 3: this out, We're gonna play ball, We're gonna see how

601
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 3: this happens here. You know, let's not fall apart. So

602
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 3: I thought that was you know, the uh, the right

603
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 3: way to go at that time for him to keep

604
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 3: the clubouts from falling apart. And once again, I wouldn't

605
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 3: have been mad if dur An office think he would

606
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 3: have let him. You know how pissed off he was,

607
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 3: and he should have always changed his mind if he

608
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 3: heard the right things from the right people. Tom pull

609
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 3: out with to visit him. I believe in Florida, you know, Shelfy,

610
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 3: I think sat down on them two. If you start

611
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,800
Speaker 3: feeling better about the program, then he should have either

612
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,479
Speaker 3: said it or let someone else say it for him.

613
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: It's I know it's only Tuesday, so you got a

614
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: long time to figure out what your Sunday column might be.

615
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 1: But can I tell you what I want it to be?

616
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 3: Well, I kind of know what it is to go ahead.

617
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 2: Oh, you might have been listening earlier.

618
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 3: No, I wouldn't listen to that. I kind of know

619
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 3: what my plan may be because it's being poisoned upon

620
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 3: me by the plan paper.

621
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: I got you to understand. Well, far be it from

622
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 1: me to get in the way of that. I would

623
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: like you from if it's not Sunday, some other day

624
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 1: this week, to explain just how absurd and disingenuous it

625
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:02,439
Speaker 1: is is of the latest poll Ad in charge, Tom

626
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: Pollad to float any kind of nonsense about how you know,

627
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 1: we were kind of interested in this Valdez guy, and

628
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: we we had some conversations.

629
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 2: About him too.

630
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 4: What could be more meaningless from a guy who's claiming

631
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 4: he's trying to put the past behind and send better

632
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 4: declarative messages to Twins fans moving forward.

633
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 3: All right, here's a couple of things on that subject.

634
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 3: All right. Uh, when I read it, I started laughing,

635
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 3: and I would actually, right now at the moment, I

636
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,919
Speaker 3: would have written, thank you Tom Pollad for coming out

637
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 3: in uh, saying things that are gonna make people angry.

638
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 3: Because through the years, and this is when you you

639
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 3: were involved. Through the years, I've heard how this wasn't

640
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 3: going to after people who had had this big conversation

641
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 3: with Zach Wheeler, but his wife wanted to be close

642
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 3: to the East coast. They signed with Philadelphia that actually

643
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 3: made it. I think they offered divers hundred million, the

644
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 3: guy who and when I when I've so, when I've

645
00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 3: said this to Yoga radio, Yes, that's right. So instead

646
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 3: of me being yelled at, I'm thank you Tom Paul

647
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 3: Haff for making people yell at you. And then the

648
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 3: second part of that, Dan is it's time to shut up.

649
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 3: It's time to shut up. He's too available actions speak

650
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 3: loud in the words to do.

651
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 2: Before he went to Florida. Did He's trying to try

652
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 2: to get to your house. He's everywhere he wants to

653
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 2: be with everybody.

654
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 3: It's not what you try to do. It's about what

655
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 3: you're doing, you know. It's it's about I'm putting w's

656
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 3: on the board and winning games and and and doing

657
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 3: things that are gonna make people want to come back.

658
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 3: Instead of talking about what we're close in this time,

659
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 3: you can't be close anymore. You gotta be on mark.

660
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 3: You gotta produce, You gotta have tangible proof that you're

661
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 3: serious about regaining the fans trust. Talking about being close

662
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 3: to something uh is not going to get it. And

663
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 3: he may think that's a cool thing to say at

664
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 3: the time, but in the long run, it doesn't work.

665
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: No, there's just no way that it's it's going to work.

666
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: By the way, as we're chatting, Chris just texted this,

667
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: please talk cigars with Lavelle instead of the Twins. Apathy

668
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 1: is at historic highs with this club. That's gonna be

669
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: the battle for you is you're a ball guy, but

670
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 1: are you gonna be You're gonna have to be persuaded

671
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 1: to actually pretend that people care about the team.

672
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 2: This year.

673
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's gonna be a tough one because people

674
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 3: are checking out and let's but at the same time,

675
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 3: I'm still run into Darhart's wins fans who's still claim

676
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 3: they're gonna go to the game. Yeah, you know some of

677
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 3: these warriors with the keyboard, you know, or or running

678
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 3: with the ball here because they can't you know, because

679
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 3: they can't look at what the with the Twins have

680
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 3: gune and fell to accomplish. So, yeah, that's gonna be

681
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 3: tough just trying to write like positive stories about you

682
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 3: might find an interesting story in camp about a player

683
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 3: in the background or something, and you know someone's going like,

684
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,479
Speaker 3: why why should I even care? You know, this team

685
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 3: is not gonna win. I'm not engaged. I have no

686
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,479
Speaker 3: reason to come to the ballpark just because some guy

687
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 3: you know, uh has a has a ANM rescue shelter

688
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 3: on his property. You know that's gonna go to be

689
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 3: enough for me. It's gonna be tough. It's gonna be

690
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 3: tough for Bobby Nightingale and and as much you know

691
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 3: our column I don't know if you notice our column

692
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 3: staff has some years of baseball experience. When you have

693
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,760
Speaker 3: Roy c. Suhan and myself who have covered the Twins

694
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:29,879
Speaker 3: for X amount of years. Yes, you know, we tend

695
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 3: to like to want to go to the ballpark and

696
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 3: ride a baseball story. And I don't know what the

697
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 3: impact that that's going to be this year, and that

698
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 3: could be definitely a challenge. And you know, and we

699
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,399
Speaker 3: can't write the same story about how they think either.

700
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,919
Speaker 3: We got to come up with creative ways to write

701
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 3: about that.

702
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it you know, Guardian I were talking about

703
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: this at the top of the show. Lopez generally speaking,

704
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: is an easy guy to root for. He's very adult,

705
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:58,439
Speaker 1: as you know, he's very professional, and you know, has

706
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: been a good pitcher for this team. Yeah, I think

707
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: you put him out of the classification of a team

708
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: that has very little credibility looks for individual players who

709
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 1: might give them a measure of that and that, to me,

710
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 1: at his best is exactly what he represented. So the

711
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: fact that it's over, or even before it begins, and

712
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: as you say, might be over period, whether you care

713
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: about the Twins or not, that's still I think a

714
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: significant story worth exploring.

715
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 2: And it is kind of a shame.

716
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is unfortunate. Did you want to see him

717
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 3: bounce back and have a good year. Be that guy,

718
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 3: because I think when he's pitching well. The Twins have

719
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 3: two of the top twenty five starters in baseball, and

720
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 3: Ryan and Pablo. I'm not saying they're in the top ten,

721
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 3: but I think you can make an argument that they're

722
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 3: in the top twenty five. And there's teams that cannot

723
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 3: boast a unless they're the Los Angeles Dodgers, or they

724
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 3: New York Yankees or maybe the Toronto Blue Jays. So

725
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 3: that's an advantage that the Twins had that has been

726
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 3: severely limited to that or bite yesterday when he walked

727
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 3: off the mountain with a twinet available.

728
00:39:58,280 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 2: I'm with you on that.

729
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 4: Please tell Tom I almost bought tickets, even talked about it,

730
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 4: but just couldn't get it done.

731
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Speaker 2: That's Josh.

732
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 3: Also, Blick flash foundered. Nice nice guarding.

733
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Speaker 2: Two dollars beers. I guess that's what we can get

734
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Speaker 2: excited about, right, Hey.

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Speaker 3: You know what it works? And it works in Colorado.

736
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 3: Colorado has been a hot mess for years. And what

737
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 3: they did they redid the right field upper deck and

738
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Speaker 3: it's happy hour two hours before game time and it's

739
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 3: three dollars corps uh and by the way, we can

740
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 3: get course for it. Kind of a be some price

741
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 3: in Colorado because of proximity reasons. And then but crap

742
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 3: beers at six bucks and the right field upper deck

743
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 3: is like bustling like before rockiesks. It's weird, and I

744
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 3: believe Colorado is still middle of the pack in a

745
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 3: tennis spike effect have been a hot mess for several years.

746
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Speaker 1: Uh, you continue to be embedded in the curling community.

747
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 3: Correct, Yes, I just wrote about curling type breakers because

748
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 3: that might coming to play tomorrow to help the USA

749
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 3: men advance to the semi final.

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Speaker 1: What about curling cheating, because, as you know, Canada is

751
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: under siege for all sorts of touching illegal touching that

752
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: they're not supposed to do. So are you a great

753
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:19,760
Speaker 1: Olympics curling cheating mind? What is the is the grievance

754
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: legit on Canada because they, of course are calling it

755
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 1: a vast right wing conspiracy that everybody's against them and

756
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: that they're not really doing anything against the rules.

757
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 3: Well, I will say this Canada was cheating, no doubt

758
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,760
Speaker 3: You're wrong. But I've also gotten indication talking to former

759
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 3: curlers someone w competed at the highest level, saying that

760
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:45,240
Speaker 3: it does happen at times, and in most cases people

761
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 3: look around that does it's not it's not caught out.

762
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 3: I guess you can call people out on that, but

763
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 3: people have not have not done so. And plus I

764
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 3: talked to John Schuster about this and he said it

765
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,320
Speaker 3: barely makes a difference in the outcome of a delivered stone.

766
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 3: But it just looked weird that Sweden much knew about

767
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:11,240
Speaker 3: this because ironically they had cameras fixated on that area

768
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 3: where Jacobs was releasing the rock and you see this

769
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 3: finger touching the stone. And the next day Rachel Holman,

770
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,240
Speaker 3: who some people consider to be the best individual women's

771
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 3: curler in the world, was doing it. And I think

772
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 3: Great Britain got busted for a violation as well. They

773
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 3: had a rock taking out of play for something. So

774
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,399
Speaker 3: it's weird because I think Curly wants to get more

775
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 3: mainstream and get in the public conversation as much as

776
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 3: the curling peerists don't want to see this happen. But

777
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 3: it's happening because people are talking about this stuff. There's

778
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 3: no better way for a controversy to get people talking

779
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 3: is support to happen to Delympics. You know, which is

780
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 3: supposed to be the highest level of sportsmanship. You know.

781
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 3: So it's brought attention. I don't know if the attention

782
00:42:55,760 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 3: that they want, but it's it's been interesting. And in

783
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 3: the end, as shoots to put it out to me,

784
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 3: he really doesn't think it really helps the rock that

785
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 3: much anyway. But if there's a rule against it, then

786
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 3: they have to buy by the rule.

787
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Speaker 2: Let's finish with this.

788
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Speaker 1: You're a Chicago kid we saluted earlier in the day,

789
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,240
Speaker 1: oded to a dead guy, Reverend Jesse Jackson.

790
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Speaker 2: How big a name was he for you?

791
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 3: Uh?

792
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 1: Any recollections and you know growing up you grew up

793
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 1: on the South side Chicago, correct.

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00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred and seventh Street.

795
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I thought.

796
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: What is that when you when you when you hear

797
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:38,320
Speaker 1: the name Jesse, Jesse Jackson, what gets triggered? Uh?

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Speaker 3: As a kid, he was a god to me, you know,

799
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Speaker 3: because he was the person who had this presence and

800
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 3: the oratory skills and the wille and the ability to

801
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 3: bring people together and the ability to unite people, you know.

802
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 3: And Operation Push headquarters, I remember where it was at.

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00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 3: And and Operation Push was a massive, massive effort, you know,

804
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 3: as a kid growing up in Chicago, and the impact

805
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 3: he's had on that city, on this nation is it's

806
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 3: been remarkable and you know, keep hope alives speech UH

807
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 3: at the convention was one of the greatest speeches I've

808
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 3: ever heard. So, yeah, it's very very sad to hear

809
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 3: that he was passed, and he had been ill over

810
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 3: the last few years. I think he was hospitalized last year.

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Speaker 3: But he definitely leaves a legacy. You may want to

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Speaker 3: read up about this. It's kind of fascinating because Jesse

813
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 3: and Barack Obama did not see how to eye on

814
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 3: some things, and so it wasn't like they were some

815
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 3: poptical about how to move forward with the effort to

816
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 3: UH it's sure equality and provide economic benefit opportunities, you know,

817
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 3: for minorities. So they had different ways of doing that.

818
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 3: But nevertheless, Jackson did show up at Obama's celebration at

819
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 3: Grant Park and you saw him standing. There were tears

820
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 3: in his eyes. You can argue that there were crocodiled

821
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 3: tears or not, but he was there nevertheless, and he

822
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 3: was moved by the spectacle. Dow was so so as

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Speaker 3: far as I'm considered, he's one of the greatest people

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Speaker 3: of my lifetime.

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00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: Well, and it is worth noting that long before you know,

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Speaker 1: Barack Obama broke through, Jesse was the first black national

827
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Speaker 1: presidential candidate that had a following. You know, he didn't

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00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: ever come close to winning, but he won some states.

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Speaker 2: He definitely had a following.

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Speaker 1: And it's, as the cliche goes, somebody's got to open

831
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: the door to make it seem more possible, and then

832
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:29,760
Speaker 1: enough time goes by and you get to that longer

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00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: than obviously should have, and you get to another place.

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Speaker 1: So I think all those points are very very valid.

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Speaker 1: I'll leave you with this. This is from kf A

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Speaker 1: Gal Jesse Jackson reads Seuss, Twins, Bullpen, Better Get Loose.

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00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 1: Favorite new follow is Loura Goose Wolves and five. That's

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Speaker 1: very creative. That's pretty good. It's pretty well done, standing

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Speaker 1: and on standing work from you today. I appreciate the

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Speaker 1: bonus time and we'll chat Friday.

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00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 3: Hey, thanks for having me look forward to Friday.

842
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: That is Lavelle E Neil Third giving us a bonus

843
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: time today on an unfortunate day for your favorite, well

844
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: some of your favorite baseball team, the Minnesota Twins, if

845
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: you even have a favorite baseball team at this point

846
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: in the Twin Cities area.

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00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 2: Top five.

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Speaker 4: Well, I guess I'll recycle it from yesterday. What was

849
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 4: your favorite Pablo Lopez moment.