WEBVTT - Brian with Judge Christopher McDowell 10/9/2026

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<v Speaker 1>7 0 6 here at 55 KRC talk station, Brian

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas wishing everyone a very happy Friday and happy to

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<v Speaker 1>welcome into the 55 KRC morning show. He is running

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<v Speaker 1>for judge. We need to vote for him. It's Chris

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<v Speaker 1>McDowell in studio, judge McDowell. Thank you for showing up today.

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<v Speaker 1>And I obviously off the, out of the gate, um,

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<v Speaker 1>wish you all the best in the world. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>huge concern among a lot of folks, including a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people in my listening audience. No one really pays

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<v Speaker 1>close attention to the judicial races. You don't run under

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<v Speaker 1>a party affiliation. You, so you, you, You have to

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<v Speaker 1>earn the endorsement from the Republicans or Democrats. That's how

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<v Speaker 1>people know who you're affiliated with or connected with anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>But because so few people, thankfully, aren't involved in the

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<v Speaker 1>judicial system or criminal justice system as a subset, they

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. They don't know what it's like. And many

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<v Speaker 1>people who, I mean, some people don't even understand the

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<v Speaker 1>concept of, you know, judicial activism and judicial conservatism, conceptually even,

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<v Speaker 1>to know one way or another whether any judge is qualified.

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<v Speaker 1>Good to have you here in the morning show and welcome, sir.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much. I'm very happy to be here.

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<v Speaker 2>It's good to see you again.

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<v Speaker 1>It is my pleasure. Again, it's keepjudgemcdowell.com. It's a website.

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<v Speaker 1>You can learn all about them. Let's start real quickly

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<v Speaker 1>here because on the heels of Tech Friday with Dave Hatter,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to have to ask you about the judge

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<v Speaker 1>throwing the observer out of the courtroom in the Hinton

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<v Speaker 1>case using technology, the smart glasses. It records everything out there.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, as a judge, you're going to have to

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<v Speaker 1>deal with this. And the other component is Not just

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<v Speaker 1>that type of incident, but also something that really puts

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<v Speaker 1>some concern in me is the proof beyond a reasonable

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<v Speaker 1>doubt thing you need in a criminal justice case. With

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<v Speaker 1>artificial intelligence turning out videos that look absolutely real, what

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<v Speaker 1>do you anticipate being the challenges down the road with that?

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<v Speaker 1>If I can even ask you that. I know we've

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<v Speaker 1>got advisory opinion problems, but can you feel that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a lot of questions at once.

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<v Speaker 1>I know. It's compounded nature. I'll give you an opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>to just do a stream of consciousness response and throw

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<v Speaker 1>in anything you want. Watch him do this.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, first, I would say that the jury pool and

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<v Speaker 2>jurors need to be protected. And people who come into

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<v Speaker 2>the courtroom, in the courthouse, you cannot video record because

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<v Speaker 2>also witnesses need to be protected because we've had instances

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<v Speaker 2>where witnesses were photographed and then that was put out

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<v Speaker 2>there and then they were killed. And so you can't

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<v Speaker 2>just record people in the courthouse, and that's one of

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<v Speaker 2>the primary reasons. Secondary reason is jurors and the protection

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<v Speaker 2>of jurors, because many people might want to try to

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<v Speaker 2>bribe a juror, hurt a juror, talk to a juror.

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<v Speaker 2>And so when I do a criminal case, they have numbers.

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<v Speaker 2>I have their names, but it's juror number four, juror

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<v Speaker 2>number six. They're never addressed by their last name. When

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<v Speaker 2>I go through it, I'll say Joe S. But we

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<v Speaker 2>need to protect jurors. And someone... filming a juror, particularly

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<v Speaker 2>in this case, what she was doing was basically saying

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<v Speaker 2>that the juror was an Uncle Tom. She was saying,

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<v Speaker 2>this juror, this is a black juror. The juror is

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<v Speaker 2>a sellout. And putting that information out into the internet

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<v Speaker 2>placed that juror at risk. And I think it's a

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<v Speaker 2>way of trying to influence that juror to get their

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<v Speaker 2>friends to talk to them and so forth. It's really bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and the elephant in the room for me as

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<v Speaker 1>you say that, and I'm certain that goes on, The

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<v Speaker 1>same thing probably happening to our elected officials. Threats, right?

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<v Speaker 1>If you don't do something this way, then we are

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<v Speaker 1>coming after you, whoever this collective we is that puts

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<v Speaker 1>fears in the hearts and minds of a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 1>That really concerns me. And the other component is how

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<v Speaker 1>do you deal with the video evidence, if there is any?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't know if you know, technologically speaking,

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<v Speaker 1>if there's a way to figure out where something is fake,

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<v Speaker 1>but that has me concerned because any savvy defense attorney

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<v Speaker 1>can easily put some reasonable doubt in someone's mind about

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<v Speaker 1>whether it's real or not.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and it gets better and better every day. The

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<v Speaker 2>AI technology gets better. It was like a little child

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<v Speaker 2>a year ago, and now it's an adult. It's so

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<v Speaker 2>much better than it used to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let's talk about Judge McDowell's career. I thank you

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<v Speaker 1>very much for your service to our country. I'd like

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<v Speaker 1>to acknowledge that you are a veteran, and you voluntarily

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<v Speaker 1>entered the American military, and you also then became a

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<v Speaker 1>judge advocate general with your law degree. So you represented

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<v Speaker 1>the service members? Yes, sir.

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<v Speaker 2>First- I am the only military veteran who is a

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<v Speaker 2>judge or magistrate in Hamilton County. The only one. Times

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<v Speaker 2>have changed. We don't have that in our courthouse anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>People who have basically put their butt on the line

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<v Speaker 2>for the Constitution. I'm the only one who's done that. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>first I was a military prosecutor in Korea. I was

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<v Speaker 2>a military prosecutor for southern Germany, northern Africa, the former

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<v Speaker 2>East Bloc countries. Then I did that so well they

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<v Speaker 2>made me a defense attorney. And I volunteered for a

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<v Speaker 2>deployment as a NATO peacekeeper to Bosnia. And that's where

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<v Speaker 2>I met my wife, Anna Castellini, who obviously lives in Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 2>The Army sent me to Fort Riley. They sent her

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<v Speaker 2>to Fort Hood. They wouldn't put us together, so we

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<v Speaker 2>both got out before 9-11, or we probably never.

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<v Speaker 1>Would have gotten out. God has a way of planning things, sir.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope you married out of your element or outkicked

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<v Speaker 1>your coverage like I did.

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<v Speaker 2>100%.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you did.

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<v Speaker 2>100%.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, on to the practice of law. You were over

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<v Speaker 1>at Dinsmore and Scholl. I have that right? And you

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<v Speaker 1>did all kinds of types of cases, both civil and

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<v Speaker 1>criminal with Dinsmore? That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>One, before I became a judge, I was the prosecutor

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<v Speaker 2>in the city of Wyoming, also the prosecutor for the

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<v Speaker 2>village of Newtown. I've both prosecuted murder cases and defended

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<v Speaker 2>murder cases. On the civil side, I've done multi-million dollar

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<v Speaker 2>civil cases from the plaintiff's side and the defense side.

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<v Speaker 2>So I cover all aspects of what a common pleas

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<v Speaker 2>judge does. People get confused about the levels of judges.

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<v Speaker 2>Common pleas court, we deal with the serious felonies, the murderers,

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<v Speaker 2>the rapists, and the big dollar civil cases. We don't

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<v Speaker 2>deal with traffic cases. And so I've done those cases.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got the most experience. My opponent, according to the

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<v Speaker 2>Hamilton County Clerk of Courts, has never tried a case,

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<v Speaker 2>civil or criminal, and the Hamilton County Court of Common Pleas.

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<v Speaker 1>And there is where the rubber meets the road. I

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<v Speaker 1>was literally just going to ask you, how important is it?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I know the importance. Never sat on the bench before, but,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I've been in front of a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>judges in my legal career, and that's where, as a

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<v Speaker 1>practicing attorney and trying cases and being in front of judges,

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<v Speaker 1>you learn who the good ones are and who they aren't.

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<v Speaker 1>And you also learn what it is to be a

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<v Speaker 1>good judge and be fair and equitable because, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Quite often, you find yourself on the short end of

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<v Speaker 1>the receiving side of a judge who's obviously biased.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. And it's so important that as a judge, you

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<v Speaker 2>make split-second decisions that are so important to people's lives.

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<v Speaker 2>And you have to have a background to make informed,

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<v Speaker 2>good decisions so quickly. And that comes from experience. And

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<v Speaker 2>there's no substitute for experience. The first time you see

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<v Speaker 2>an Ohio murder case, you should not be the judge.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's as simple as that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I mean, I don't understand, honestly, how you could

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<v Speaker 1>be a judge if you have never tried a case.

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<v Speaker 1>Evidentiary issues alone.

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<v Speaker 2>The civil case aspect of it is even more significant.

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<v Speaker 2>In civil cases, they file motion after motion. There's so

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<v Speaker 2>many more issues in a civil case that go on.

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<v Speaker 2>Jury selection. differs from state to state. You have to

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<v Speaker 2>know the Ohio jury selection rules the voir dire. And

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<v Speaker 2>just to be doing that on the fly, that's not

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<v Speaker 2>the kind of judge you want.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it isn't. I used to practice civil litigation. We

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<v Speaker 1>used to call it scorched earth litigation when I was

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<v Speaker 1>up in Chicago. Yeah, there's a lot of work, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of evidence, and a lot of motions.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I have over 600 cases on my docket. And

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<v Speaker 2>the majority of those are actually civil cases. I have

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<v Speaker 2>16 murder cases that were on my docket. I have

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<v Speaker 2>so many murder cases, it's hard for me to keep

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<v Speaker 2>them straight. It's really amazing the level of crime that

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<v Speaker 2>goes on. I do my own arraignments in serious felony

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<v Speaker 2>cases to make sure that bond is set appropriately to

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<v Speaker 2>protect society.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, there's that bond thing. So you have a perception

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<v Speaker 1>that bond is appropriate, that the public is in need

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<v Speaker 1>of some measure of protection from time to time. Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>There are flight risks out there. So you don't go

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<v Speaker 1>zero bond in every case that comes into your courtroom,

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<v Speaker 1>I presume.

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<v Speaker 2>No, not at all. You know, we passed a constitutional

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<v Speaker 2>amendment in Ohio that requires judges to take into consideration

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<v Speaker 2>public safety when they set a bond. And we have judges,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'll tell you, quite frankly, who are not doing that.

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<v Speaker 2>What people don't understand, if somebody commits, for example, a murder,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have jurisdiction over that case until the person's

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<v Speaker 2>been indicted. The municipal court judge in room A sets

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<v Speaker 2>the initial bond. I have cases with people who have

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<v Speaker 2>felonies of the first degree where I'm doing the arraignment

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<v Speaker 2>and they're not in my courtroom. And I'm like, where

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<v Speaker 2>are they? And they said, well, judge, they bonded themselves

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<v Speaker 2>out last night. And I look at the bond. For

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<v Speaker 2>an F1, it'll be $ 2, 000 at 10% on a felony

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<v Speaker 2>of the first degree where you're looking at 11 years

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<v Speaker 2>in prison and walking out. And I have to issue

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<v Speaker 2>warrants for people to come in there so I can

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<v Speaker 2>set an appropriate bond. I'll tell you this. Since I've

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<v Speaker 2>been a judge, no one out on bond to a case–

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<v Speaker 2>that's been on my docket, has committed another violent crime.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what we need to hear. He's in the studio.

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<v Speaker 1>He is Judge Christopher McDowell, and you can help him out.

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<v Speaker 1>Check out his website. Learn all about his past, his history,

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<v Speaker 1>and we need to get him on the bench for

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<v Speaker 1>another term right there at keepjudgemcdowell.com. We're going to continue

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<v Speaker 1>the conversation. Right now, it's 715 at 55 KRC, the

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<v Speaker 1>talk station. 719, 55 KRC, the talk station. Very, very

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<v Speaker 1>happy Friday to you. Judge McDowell in studio. You can

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<v Speaker 1>vote Chris McDowell. And again, keep judgemcdowell.com to help him out.

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<v Speaker 1>Can I maybe get a yard sign? Judge McDowell, you

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<v Speaker 1>have yard signs. I've seen them around. I do.

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<v Speaker 2>I have them in my car. if you want one.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. Here's a thought exercise. It wasn't that long ago,

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<v Speaker 1>almost on a weekly basis, if not more often, we

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<v Speaker 1>were hearing tales of woe about overcrowding at the jail. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I'm kind of curious because crime, I know

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<v Speaker 1>crime statistically has gone down, but I don't think it's

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<v Speaker 1>gone down enough to create the situation, which I apparently

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<v Speaker 1>know about now because you told me off air, but

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<v Speaker 1>did they fix the problem or is this really the

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<v Speaker 1>judiciary in Hamilton County, which has given us a false

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<v Speaker 1>sense of safety here? Because I don't think the jail

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<v Speaker 1>is empty at all right now.

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<v Speaker 2>No, well, if you harken back to when we closed

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<v Speaker 2>down the Queensgate jail, and that was hundreds of beds

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<v Speaker 2>that were closed down. And when they closed down Queensgate,

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<v Speaker 2>we were told we were going to, have to build

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<v Speaker 2>a new jail. We heard all this. We need to

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<v Speaker 2>get a funding. We need to build a new jail.

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<v Speaker 2>When's the last time you heard about building a new jail?

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<v Speaker 2>The reason is because we can't fill this jail that

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<v Speaker 2>we have right now. They've closed sections of the jail entirely.

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<v Speaker 2>There are over 260 empty beds in the jail right now,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's because these progressive judges are not holding people accountable.

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<v Speaker 2>It's even worse in the juvenile system at 2020. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>told that the 2020 detention center is basically empty.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the cops have told me that lots of times, um,

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<v Speaker 1>FFP president Ken Coburn has been on the show. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just like a pointless exercise to pick up a juvenile

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<v Speaker 1>because they're just going to let them go.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. It's like the hotel on the shining, totally empty. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's because people are in juveniles in particular are

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<v Speaker 2>not being held accountable. Then they turn 18 years old

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<v Speaker 2>and they're used to the slap on the wrist. They

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<v Speaker 2>steal a gun like they've done before they come into

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<v Speaker 2>my courtroom and Oh, and lo and behold, they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to prison. And they're shocked, shocked that somebody would hold

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<v Speaker 2>them accountable. And it's a very unfortunate thing that we

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<v Speaker 2>have going on here. We have empty beds because judges

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<v Speaker 2>are not holding people accountable. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Frightening stuff. Next question. So you deal with the bonds

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<v Speaker 1>appropriately on the front end, considering public safety, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's one of the reasons for higher bonds. What

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<v Speaker 1>about the backside? Probation.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the backside of probation. Now, There are a certain

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<v Speaker 2>element of society here who are addicted to drugs. And

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<v Speaker 2>I never want to put, for example, a drug addict

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<v Speaker 2>in prison if I can avoid it. I always give

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<v Speaker 2>them an opportunity to get treatment because if I can

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<v Speaker 2>get them treatment, that is the least expensive route. The

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<v Speaker 2>reason they're breaking into your car and committing crimes is

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<v Speaker 2>because they're a drug addict. If we can get that

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<v Speaker 2>demon out of them, then we eliminate why they're breaking

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<v Speaker 2>into things and doing crimes. But... So I put those

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<v Speaker 2>people on probation, and when I do, I put them

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<v Speaker 2>on strict probation. The progressive judges have taken over our

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<v Speaker 2>probation office. We've closed these probation substations throughout the city.

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<v Speaker 2>I say we, not me. The Republican judges voted to

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<v Speaker 2>keep those substations open. Those substations were so important to

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<v Speaker 2>those communities that they donated buildings to the city. The

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<v Speaker 2>city was paying nothing. The county was paying no rent

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<v Speaker 2>for those buildings because those communities felt it was so

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<v Speaker 2>important to have those people there. So if somebody is

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<v Speaker 2>on probation, one of the things I want them to

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<v Speaker 2>have is a job. Now, instead of walking into their

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<v Speaker 2>nearby substation, they have to get on a bus and

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<v Speaker 2>go all the way downtown. And so they miss a

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<v Speaker 2>half a day of work and it's very difficult for

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<v Speaker 2>them to keep a job. Idle hands are the devil's workshop.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're on probation, I order you to get a job,

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<v Speaker 2>a real job with a W-2, not working for your uncle,

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<v Speaker 2>getting paid under the table, but a real job. The

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<v Speaker 2>other thing is they have the system of rewards. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>have you heard about this? If you're on probation, if

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<v Speaker 2>you do well on probation, then they start giving you rewards.

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<v Speaker 2>The rewards can include things like gift cards to get groceries,

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<v Speaker 2>other things. At one point, it did include Cincinnati Reds tickets.

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<v Speaker 2>But most concerning, as a reward, they allow somebody as

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<v Speaker 2>a reward to skip a urinalysis.

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<v Speaker 1>What?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes. What? Yes, and I'm putting people who are drug

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<v Speaker 2>addicts on probation, and then as.

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<v Speaker 1>A reward— Get out of jail free card for one

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<v Speaker 1>drug test, Skip? That's what that is?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it's outrageous. And so if you're a drug addict,

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<v Speaker 2>you're jonesing for drugs. And so if you know that

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<v Speaker 2>you can use drugs and not be caught, then what

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<v Speaker 2>happens is you just start to spiral back down out

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<v Speaker 2>of control.

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>That's not a reward. A reward should be you have

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<v Speaker 2>more drug testing.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and you know, the little libertarian in me is

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<v Speaker 1>always for years saying, you know, I don't believe in

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<v Speaker 1>criminalizing self-abuse. If you're going to abuse drugs, you're doing

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<v Speaker 1>yourself a massive problem and you're probably going to end

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<v Speaker 1>up dying. But why should I throw you in jail

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<v Speaker 1>for something you're doing to yourself? But the reason is,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is where the tough on the drug use

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<v Speaker 1>is really compassion to your point. I transferred my views

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<v Speaker 1>or I changed my viewpoint because the only way to

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<v Speaker 1>help that person is to get them into rehabilitation. The

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<v Speaker 1>only way to get them into rehabilitation sometimes is is

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<v Speaker 1>the involvement of the criminal justice system. You give them

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<v Speaker 1>the option. You want to go to jail? No? Okay, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what? We want to solve your problem. We

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<v Speaker 1>are compassionate in our treatment of you because we are

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<v Speaker 1>offering you those services which you so desperately need. Why

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<v Speaker 1>not take us up on the offer?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Brian, I have asked over 30 fentanyl addicts this

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<v Speaker 2>one question, the same question. I ask them, where is

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<v Speaker 2>this leading you? Where is this going for you? And

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<v Speaker 2>I always get the same one-word answer, death.

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<v Speaker 1>Death.

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<v Speaker 2>Death. And I'll ask them, do you want to die?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you want to live? Do you want life? Do

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<v Speaker 2>you want to have your life back? And if they

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<v Speaker 2>say they want to have their life back, absolutely. I

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<v Speaker 2>want to give them their life back. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>give somebody their mother back. I want to give somebody

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<v Speaker 2>their daughter back, society back, a productive citizen again. If

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<v Speaker 2>I just warehouse them for six months, they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>come out with being the same drug addict that they

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<v Speaker 2>were going in.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep. And they'll probably learn some more nefarious tricks while

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<v Speaker 1>they're locked up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if not used while they're locked up because we

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<v Speaker 2>have a problem with drugs in the jail. Believe me,

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<v Speaker 2>we have a problem with drugs in our jail right now.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a leadership issue on that one, I would say.

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<v Speaker 2>100%.

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<v Speaker 1>Keepjudgemcdowell.com. Sounds like a great idea to me. Judge McDowell,

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<v Speaker 1>it has been a pleasure talking with you, having you

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<v Speaker 1>in the studio. I look forward to maybe doing it

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<v Speaker 1>again before the election. And guess what? We can all

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<v Speaker 1>go out and vote as early as today, can't we?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, you can go down there today. I went down there.

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<v Speaker 2>I've already voted.

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<v Speaker 1>Good for you. Leading by example.

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<v Speaker 2>Fast and easy.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for all the great work you've done on the

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<v Speaker 1>bench so far, and I sure hope that the listening

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<v Speaker 1>audience considers you and also takes friends and recommends voting

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<v Speaker 1>Judge McDowell as well. You would probably say the same

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<v Speaker 1>thing about Leah Denkelocher and Magistrate Lukin, too.

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<v Speaker 2>Love them. They're great. And Judge Katie Cash and Winkler.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a wonderful, highly qualified ticket. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>GOPjudges.com. They can get the whole list. Judge McDowell, it's

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<v Speaker 1>great having you in.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, sir.

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<v Speaker 1>Take care, my friend. 726 right now, 55KRC, The Talk Station.