Joel Comm: When we mentioned the word Etherium, Who do you think
Joel Comm: of first? Most would default to Vitalik Buterin while he
Joel Comm: is the most active member from the original squad of creators.
Joel Comm: Many people don't know that he was not acting alone.
Joel Comm: Gavin Wood, Charles Hoskinson and Anthony Diorio were among the
Joel Comm: group of co-founders for what's now the second biggest cryptocurrency
Joel Comm: by market cap. We had the opportunity to visit with
Joel Comm: Anthony at Puerto Rico Blockchain Week and were amazed at
Joel Comm: his passion and depth of knowledge. We think you'll be
Joel Comm: amazed too, on this Vitalik ain't the only game in town.
Joel Comm: Episode number 658. Of the Bad Crypto podcast.
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Joel Comm: Hey, how you doing? Joel Berger, donuts here at the
Joel Comm: big crypto podcast about to bring about a boom. What's up, Travis?
Travis Wright: I just go back over there. That's nice. Joey, How
Travis Wright: you doin?
Joel Comm: That make you, Travis? Mega donuts.
Travis Wright: I got you. Travis. Travis. Back in dominance. You, Joey. Travis,
Travis Wright: Welcome to the banquet. Crypto punk gas is so bad,
Travis Wright: It's worse than when.
Joel Comm: We're bringing a bag of Ethereum today. Talking with one of
Joel Comm: the founders of the the the original. The way the,
Joel Comm: you know, said way back. Way back. A theorem goes
Joel Comm: all the way back to, what, 2015? Yeah.
Travis Wright: I mean, there's a 40 something like that way back
Travis Wright: in the day. Yeah.
Joel Comm: All right. Now we're moving to the Upper West Side
Joel Comm: and going to upscale our New York accent a little bit. Yeah.
Joel Comm: So it was.
Travis Wright: This is a Joseph container of donuts.
Joel Comm: We didn't know that Anthony Di Iorio was going to be
Joel Comm: at Coinagenda, where you and I had the privilege of speaking.
Joel Comm: That's Michael Turpin's event as part of part of Puerto
Joel Comm: Rico Blockchain Week. And what a, you know, surprise and
Joel Comm: a pleasure to have an opportunity to talk to him.
Travis Wright: It was I mean, this was a real treat. And,
Travis Wright: you know, in this interview right here, he talks about
Travis Wright: the future, the past, the present, what he's working on,
Travis Wright: the focus on, knows he's doing some really, really cool stuff.
Travis Wright: And here's a guy who saw Bitcoin really early and
Travis Wright: actually was the first money in Ethereum. So I mean,
Travis Wright: he might have he might have been the most successful
Travis Wright: person we've ever sat down with face to face. Well,
Travis Wright: very happy with that, with Vitalik. But I mean, if
Travis Wright: this guy was the one who put the first money in,
Travis Wright: he probably got a little bit more than Vitalik did,
Travis Wright: unless they split it all up equally. I don't I
Travis Wright: don't know.
Joel Comm: We sat with Vitalik, but it wasn't really face to
Joel Comm: face because he doesn't like looking at people right in
Joel Comm: the eye. He's kind of, you know.
Travis Wright: But as we mentioned this when we did make him
Travis Wright: chuckle a couple of times and almost smirk, it was
Travis Wright: like this more like a side hustle that kind of
Travis Wright: went up on that counts and that counts as a chuckle.
Joel Comm: I'll have half a smirk with a side of chortle.
Joel Comm: So also, Salat Travis is going to be creating an
Joel Comm: NFT for this. We'll tell you all about it after
Joel Comm: our conversation with Anthony Di Iorio. And we are at Coinagenda
Joel Comm: Michael Turpin's event and privilege to meet one of the
Joel Comm: co-founders of Ethereum Anthony Di Iorio. Good, sir. Welcome to Bed Crypto.
Anthony Di Iorio: Thanks for having me on.
Joel Comm: Yeah, man. So we interviewed Vitalik what it was ETH Denver, 2020. Yeah.
Joel Comm: And he's he's cool kid and, you know, met his
Joel Comm: dad and had him on the show and got we
Joel Comm: made him laugh.
Travis Wright: We did twice.
Anthony Di Iorio: Meet your Vitalik.
Travis Wright: It was bizarre.
Joel Comm: We made Vitalik laugh.
Travis Wright: Yeah. Yeah. It's impressive, huh?
Anthony Di Iorio: Yeah. He's hard to get chuckles out of it.
Travis Wright: Chuckles and a smirk. A slight smirk. It was like.
Joel Comm: Yeah, maybe a two. Maybe just shy of a chortle.
Anthony Di Iorio: At chortle, almost.
Joel Comm: But you, on the other hand, you know, your jovial
Joel Comm: guy and your name is not the first one that
Joel Comm: comes up when we talk about Ethereum . He's kind
Joel Comm: of become the poster child.
Anthony Di Iorio: And he definitely is and has been and deservedly so,
Anthony Di Iorio: I think.
Joel Comm: Okay, So so tell us, what did what did you
Joel Comm: bring to the equation that he couldn't bring? You know,
Joel Comm: how is this dynamic duo?
Anthony Di Iorio: So I met Vitalik in 2012. I just heard about
Anthony Di Iorio: Bitcoin in the summer of 2012. And after months of
Anthony Di Iorio: not sleeping because of how much I grasped the concept,
Anthony Di Iorio: the idea coming off of years of studying economics, coming
Anthony Di Iorio: off of trying to figure out what had happened with
Anthony Di Iorio: the housing crisis and the financial crisis of 2008 2009.
Anthony Di Iorio: Being into computers since I was since the early eighties,
Anthony Di Iorio: I was building computers when I was like seven or
Anthony Di Iorio: eight years old.
Joel Comm: Nerd.
Anthony Di Iorio: Nerd. Exactly. Following a decentralized tech movement from the early
Anthony Di Iorio: 2000s with the Napster's and other decentralized file sharing and
Anthony Di Iorio: things like that, it all kind of culminated in 2012
Anthony Di Iorio: with me being an entrepreneur for ten years tech background,
Anthony Di Iorio: business background, economics, studying to try to understand what had
Anthony Di Iorio: happened recently over the last few years. It was kind
Anthony Di Iorio: of a perfect storm for me to hear about Bitcoin
Anthony Di Iorio: and dive in headfirst. And I looked for a community
Anthony Di Iorio: in Toronto and there just wasn't anything there. And I said, Well,
Anthony Di Iorio: I learned in the past, if you want to, if
Anthony Di Iorio: there's nothing there, you're excited about it, start the community.
Anthony Di Iorio: So I started the Toronto Bitcoin Meetup Group in 2012
Anthony Di Iorio: and he was one of like eight people that came
Anthony Di Iorio: to my first meet up, and that's how I first met.
Joel Comm: And how old was he then?
Anthony Di Iorio: He was 18, 17, 18, I think. And yeah, and,
Anthony Di Iorio: and Peter Todd showed up as well. He was there
Anthony Di Iorio: and Dino, Marc and a few other people that, that
Anthony Di Iorio: then became my first connections in the space. And over
Anthony Di Iorio: the next year, Vitalik had dropped out of university. He
Anthony Di Iorio: was traveling around the world and I would meet him
Anthony Di Iorio: in different conferences that I was representing kind of Canada,
Anthony Di Iorio: because I'd started a nonprofit in Canada called the Bitcoin
Anthony Di Iorio: Alliance of Canada. After doing the Toronto thing.
Travis Wright: I'm not even heard one, eh?
Joel Comm: Yeah. Wouldn't it be the Bitcoin Alliance? Eh?
Anthony Di Iorio: Well, I try to remove filler words from the conversations.
Anthony Di Iorio: They don't add much value. That's what.
Joel Comm: That's what I try.
Anthony Di Iorio: To do that.
Joel Comm: Travis.
Anthony Di Iorio: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I over the next year he
Anthony Di Iorio: was writing a lot for Bitcoin magazine. He was doing
Anthony Di Iorio: stories on what I was doing in Canada, trying to
Anthony Di Iorio: bring people together there and kind of work with media
Anthony Di Iorio: and work with government to showcase how this is a
Anthony Di Iorio: possibility and opportunity for Canadians to take hold of something
Anthony Di Iorio: that I think would be really it was going to
Anthony Di Iorio: be really big and bigger than the Internet, and we
Anthony Di Iorio: built a good relationship over that next year. I was
Anthony Di Iorio: building wallets at the time, this was early 2013. I
Anthony Di Iorio: started a company called Crypto Kit and which eventually became Jack's,
Anthony Di Iorio: which is what I run right now as a non-custodial wallet.
Anthony Di Iorio: And through that year of getting to know him, understanding
Anthony Di Iorio: was he was getting to be a better writer, writing
Anthony Di Iorio: for Bitcoin magazine and really evolving and going project to
Anthony Di Iorio: project throughout the world and understanding where the limitations were.
Anthony Di Iorio: And that's where he kind of put it all together
Anthony Di Iorio: and came up with this white paper that he showed
Anthony Di Iorio: me in end of October, I think it was end
Anthony Di Iorio: of October and November 2013. He was the first I
Anthony Di Iorio: was the first person to show the white paper to.
Anthony Di Iorio: I then proceeded to kind of validate what he was
Anthony Di Iorio: doing by showing it to Charles Hoskinson, who I'd gone
Anthony Di Iorio: to know because he was doing some work for the
Anthony Di Iorio: Bitcoin Foundation on the educational side and me doing what
Anthony Di Iorio: I was doing in Canada, him doing that, we'd connected,
Anthony Di Iorio: I showed him the paper, connected him with italic and
Anthony Di Iorio: three of us, along with Mihai Alexei, who was a
Anthony Di Iorio: 46 partner of Bitcoin magazine, and and Mihai Asiri and
Anthony Di Iorio: Amir Chhetri, another gentleman who had worked on colored coins
Anthony Di Iorio: and was one of the initial people there. The five
Anthony Di Iorio: of us became the initial team. And because I was
Anthony Di Iorio: in Toronto and setting up a physical location called Bitcoin Decentral,
Anthony Di Iorio: which was a place where I could start hosting my
Anthony Di Iorio: meet ups in a place that I ran instead of
Anthony Di Iorio: doing it at restaurants and bars and things like that.
Anthony Di Iorio: So at my place, Bitcoin Central became the first offices
Anthony Di Iorio: of of a theory and the exit that I had
Anthony Di Iorio: in Bitcoin in early 2013 became the funding mechanism which
Anthony Di Iorio: I brought to the table, which was leading up to
Anthony Di Iorio: the Crowdsale. Many months later I. Provided the funding to
Anthony Di Iorio: keep it internal, not have to go out to VCs,
Anthony Di Iorio: make sure that we were doing things, borrowed money from
Anthony Di Iorio: my dad to keep to keep it going when the
Anthony Di Iorio: prices kind of tanked and Bitcoin Joe Lubin came in
Anthony Di Iorio: after that and actually contributed more funding leading up for
Anthony Di Iorio: the crowd.
Travis Wright: So the crowd sounds like a nickel, right, or something?
Anthony Di Iorio: Well, it was about $0.27, I think is what it
Anthony Di Iorio: was initially. It was it was 120 ether for one
Anthony Di Iorio: Bitcoin was the the thing and and the thing that
Anthony Di Iorio: when I brought in Charles brought in Joe brought in
Anthony Di Iorio: Amir brought four of the initial eight founders because we
Anthony Di Iorio: expanded from 5 to 8 adding Joseph Lubin adding Gavin
Anthony Di Iorio: Wood and adding Jeffrey Wilkie was the you know we
Anthony Di Iorio: weren't the developers. We were the more of the how
Anthony Di Iorio: do we do this right to make sure that it's
Anthony Di Iorio: done in a way that we can raise this capital
Anthony Di Iorio: from as many people around the world as possible that
Anthony Di Iorio: want to participate but not have to be concerned about
Anthony Di Iorio: it being a security offering in the in the US.
Anthony Di Iorio: And that's what we spent a lot of time figuring
Anthony Di Iorio: out and getting off the ground so that it could
Anthony Di Iorio: be handed over to the developers to take it from there.
Anthony Di Iorio: And that's kind of where you saw the the exodus
Anthony Di Iorio: of of those people that did the initial set up,
Anthony Di Iorio: making sure things were done properly. And then Joe went
Anthony Di Iorio: into consensus. Charles Amir were out and they ended up
Anthony Di Iorio: doing their things. I went and continue to build wallets
Anthony Di Iorio: for the space, which is what I wanted to do,
Anthony Di Iorio: including a theory in wallets and Bitcoin wallets and all that.
Anthony Di Iorio: But that was my contribution, was a lot of the structure,
Anthony Di Iorio: the initial funding, the planning to make sure that what
Anthony Di Iorio: we did wouldn't have any consequences down the road because
Anthony Di Iorio: if we had gone the full on developer the way
Anthony Di Iorio: they wanted to do things, we would have done the
Anthony Di Iorio: crowdsale right the beginning and we probably wouldn't be, um,
Anthony Di Iorio: it wouldn't be a situation where Ethereum would be where
Anthony Di Iorio: it is right now. You maybe would have ended up
Anthony Di Iorio: more of a ripple situation or something else. So we
Anthony Di Iorio: had to do things properly and we offered a lot
Anthony Di Iorio: of the guidance to make sure that it got done
Anthony Di Iorio: right initially.
Travis Wright: So what would you how would you recommend now to
Travis Wright: someone who is coming in the space and saying, wow,
Travis Wright: you know, we got these security offerings? How do you
Travis Wright: stay out of those? Some of those? Right. Because it
Travis Wright: was a totally different beast back in 2014, 13, 15, Right.
Travis Wright: When you guys were launching, you guys were launching Ethereum.
Travis Wright: And now a lot of people are trying to do
Travis Wright: stuff and they go, Well, how is it not a security?
Travis Wright: Some cryptos are saying the you know, the the agencies,
Travis Wright: as is every crypto is a security except maybe Bitcoin, Right?
Travis Wright: Maybe even more so now, since Ethereum is a proof
Travis Wright: of stake more than than before. So what maybe what
Travis Wright: advice would you give people who are like who are
Travis Wright: thinking about launching a coin? Because you guys did this
Travis Wright: in a very solid way to make sure that you
Travis Wright: guys protected yourself and protected the assets of what you
Travis Wright: guys were building?
Anthony Di Iorio: I think it's well, coming up with a project and
Anthony Di Iorio: what you want to accomplish first and then if it's
Anthony Di Iorio: COIN figures out on how the token economics could actually
Anthony Di Iorio: be something that's going to be really bringing that utility
Anthony Di Iorio: to the plate. And it makes sense. And it actually
Anthony Di Iorio: is done in a structure that, you know, isn't looked
Anthony Di Iorio: as something as any type of investment. Right. And I
Anthony Di Iorio: can tell you what I'm doing right now, which is
Anthony Di Iorio: I'm doing a similar model to what we did with
Anthony Di Iorio: a theorem, but I'm actually selling hardware now and I'm
Anthony Di Iorio: selling product. The theorem was a product. We at the
Anthony Di Iorio: end of the day, the structure that we put together
Anthony Di Iorio: was it was a necessity to fuel a smart contract platform.
Anthony Di Iorio: It was a it was needed. It was never envisioned
Anthony Di Iorio: as an investment. It was a product that we sold
Anthony Di Iorio: in a pre-sale purchase to those that wanted to participate.
Anthony Di Iorio: And a year later, the technology came forward. So you
Anthony Di Iorio: got to make sure that the tech comes forward to
Anthony Di Iorio: make sure that it's ready to go and make sure
Anthony Di Iorio: that it's not something that's as an aside to what
Anthony Di Iorio: it is you're doing, and I think that's why we
Anthony Di Iorio: kind of put it all together properly in a way
Anthony Di Iorio: that if you were to do it the same way,
Anthony Di Iorio: I'm not sure would still be the acceptable because we
Anthony Di Iorio: were in fact taking Bitcoin saying, We're going to give
Anthony Di Iorio: you ether here. But the ether was something that is
Anthony Di Iorio: is required on the platform which we did build and
Anthony Di Iorio: put out to the world. And I think that's why
Anthony Di Iorio: it's it's it's not been looked at in that fashion.
Anthony Di Iorio: And we had to make sure that what you're phrasing is,
Anthony Di Iorio: is this is a product, this is not an investment.
Anthony Di Iorio: We're not selling you anything. It has a return on it.
Anthony Di Iorio: So if you can match together a number of different
Anthony Di Iorio: things that you're selling product, you're selling something physical, you
Anthony Di Iorio: don't even talk about the price of this or focus
Anthony Di Iorio: on getting on exchanges things. Are there a lot of
Anthony Di Iorio: things you can do to to to negate the the
Anthony Di Iorio: the things that may look like it's it's something that's
Anthony Di Iorio: more of an investment for people and it comes down
Anthony Di Iorio: to utility and it comes down to the structures and
Anthony Di Iorio: it comes down to what you're you're promising and what
Anthony Di Iorio: you're doing, even the terminology you're using for things like that,
Anthony Di Iorio: that I think is a safer way to do things.
Joel Comm: Did you ever imagine that, you know, you knew you're
Joel Comm: creating a platform for smart contracts, but did you ever
Joel Comm: envision this whole Nonfungible token niche that would rise out
Joel Comm: of this API? There's going to be you forget just
Joel Comm: the basics of, Hey, we're going to put art on
Joel Comm: the blockchain board. Apes Cryptopunks this whole cycle that just happened,
Joel Comm: that was insane.
Anthony Di Iorio: The things like I mean, there's there's a number of
Anthony Di Iorio: things that emerge because of a theorem, including Nfts and
Anthony Di Iorio: including Daos Dao specifically, which is to me going to
Anthony Di Iorio: be one of the and it continues to be a
Anthony Di Iorio: really hot item moving forward. There was a big battle
Anthony Di Iorio: to not turn ourselves into a DAO back in 2014.
Anthony Di Iorio: There were members of the team that wanted us to
Anthony Di Iorio: be a DAO right off the bat and we always
Anthony Di Iorio: equated it to people that didn't want to do that
Anthony Di Iorio: was Imagine Satoshi doing smart contracts with Bitcoin is just
Anthony Di Iorio: not ready for that. Let's focus on one thing. So yes,
Anthony Di Iorio: we did think about NFT, we did think about Daos,
Anthony Di Iorio: we did think about all these things. Now, not necessarily
Anthony Di Iorio: whether we're going to go to this extreme, but we
Anthony Di Iorio: talked about that stuff. We talked about how if we
Anthony Di Iorio: could decentralize our whole organization in a fashion that doesn't
Anthony Di Iorio: have a jurisdiction, doesn't have this and that, that we
Anthony Di Iorio: could maybe do something, but that would have been a disaster.
Anthony Di Iorio: I think these things, a lot of them are not
Anthony Di Iorio: primetime ready to do and you got to go sequentially.
Anthony Di Iorio: So I think these things will provide like a lot
Anthony Di Iorio: of them are not providing much value, I think, right now.
Anthony Di Iorio: And there's a lot of learning lessons that need to
Anthony Di Iorio: be figured out over the next few years with everything
Anthony Di Iorio: from from NetEase the defi to all these things. But
Anthony Di Iorio: yeah you just we talked about you.
Joel Comm: And you talked about in Gavin. Yeah in Charles and
Joel Comm: Vitalik you're all hanging out and going so imagine what
Joel Comm: people can do with this one day they're going to
Joel Comm: make these cats and people are going to be able
Joel Comm: to breed these cats. Cats are going to have sex
Joel Comm: and they're going to make more cats as nfts like that.
Joel Comm: That's not.
Anthony Di Iorio: Well, our mind wasn't on that type of thing or.
Joel Comm: No, you're.
Anthony Di Iorio: And how can we exist at all? What we had
Anthony Di Iorio: to have that sophistication. And I think that was really
Anthony Di Iorio: the contributions that maybe a lot in the Ethereum ecosystem
Anthony Di Iorio: which turned very developer focus, which I think is a
Anthony Di Iorio: really positive thing, and I think that's the direction it
Anthony Di Iorio: needed to go. But it did need a lot of
Anthony Di Iorio: the preparation and the the knowledge and understanding of the
Anthony Di Iorio: way things worked and worked then and need to work
Anthony Di Iorio: in order to get to the end game of what
Anthony Di Iorio: you want. So our focus was really on how do
Anthony Di Iorio: we do this in a way that we're going to
Anthony Di Iorio: stay out of jail, How do we do it in
Anthony Di Iorio: the way that's going to get it out there? How
Anthony Di Iorio: do we create as many stakeholders as possible what we're
Anthony Di Iorio: doing that we're not limited to, what we can't do
Anthony Di Iorio: it in the US because we're doing this kind of thing.
Anthony Di Iorio: So we put that formula together and I think it
Anthony Di Iorio: worked really well.
Travis Wright: It's fascinating when you think about you said, you know,
Travis Wright: one Bitcoin would get you 2000 ether and that was
Travis Wright: your product at the point, right? That was because these
Travis Wright: tokens are going to be built and used in our ecosystem.
Anthony Di Iorio: Have them in your wallet when we set up, your
Anthony Di Iorio: wallet will be filled with what you bought. And then
Anthony Di Iorio: these are going to be useful for when you want
Anthony Di Iorio: to be able to execute on the platform, to use
Anthony Di Iorio: the services and and use the resources that people are
Anthony Di Iorio: putting in so that you can execute your contracts and
Anthony Di Iorio: your code.
Travis Wright: Is worded so perfectly. I mean, that's a such a
Travis Wright: smart thing. So when you're talking about smart contracts, like what?
Travis Wright: How do you define that? Because we're kind of looking
Travis Wright: at things like, you know, with with crypto and smart contracts,
Travis Wright: that's programmable money, It's programmable. You can do all kinds
Travis Wright: of if this then that like there's so much more.
Anthony Di Iorio: Smart endless possibilities beyond finance is what I kind of
Anthony Di Iorio: saw it with that is that Bitcoin was the be
Anthony Di Iorio: all and end all at the time. That's what I
Anthony Di Iorio: got into it for. And then the realization that this
Anthony Di Iorio: can spread beyond finance because a lot of the financial
Anthony Di Iorio: stuff that even was trying to be done on Bitcoin
Anthony Di Iorio: couldn't be done. And that's where it needed something like
Anthony Di Iorio: an executable smart contract layer in order to go on there,
Anthony Di Iorio: in order to to carry that stuff out. But then
Anthony Di Iorio: you start thinking legal contracts, you start thinking the sports betting,
Anthony Di Iorio: you start all these other elements like, Wow, this is
Anthony Di Iorio: not just finance. This is going to be impactful for
Anthony Di Iorio: any type of removal of third party non value added
Anthony Di Iorio: participation in the in the equation that can just be
Anthony Di Iorio: put into code. And that's why it's impactful in so
Anthony Di Iorio: many different sectors.
Joel Comm: So there's definitely concern in some circles about Etherium going
Joel Comm: to proof of stake that there are certain corporate interests
Joel Comm: or government interests that could somehow have 51% and thus
Joel Comm: be able to take over the chain and sensor the chain.
Joel Comm: And I mean, we're kind of we're seeing some things
Joel Comm: happening that are definitely anti privacy. For example, Metamask announcing
Joel Comm: that they're going to be tracking IPRs.
Anthony Di Iorio: In Furia because they use Metamask using for in Fury.
Joel Comm: Right. So, you know, what are your thoughts? Is it
Joel Comm: possible that Ethereum could fall to forces that would seek
Joel Comm: to control the stake?
Anthony Di Iorio: I think that the promise to go to proof of
Anthony Di Iorio: stake was from day one. That was always the promise.
Anthony Di Iorio: The difficulty of all that was put in place in
Anthony Di Iorio: order to to ensure that miners knew that eventually that
Anthony Di Iorio: would happen. Was there from day one, even though it's
Anthony Di Iorio: been passed along and it's had not actually, it's been pushed,
Anthony Di Iorio: pushed along year after year to not go off. And
Anthony Di Iorio: the difficulty by for those who don't know it was
Anthony Di Iorio: that there was a there was a because the goal
Anthony Di Iorio: was always to go to proof of stake when it
Anthony Di Iorio: was ready. There was a bomb put into the code
Anthony Di Iorio: that would explode and make it so difficult to mine
Anthony Di Iorio: using traditional assets I'm sorry, using traditional GPUs that it
Anthony Di Iorio: would be like prepare for the next thing. Don't think
Anthony Di Iorio: that you're going to be able to do this forever.
Anthony Di Iorio: And that was from day one. So then when it's ready,
Anthony Di Iorio: which was many, many, many years later, they made the
Anthony Di Iorio: decision that it's ready to go to proof of stake.
Anthony Di Iorio: But now, could it be argued there's a more centralization
Anthony Di Iorio: that's happening now because many of the exchanges and entities
Anthony Di Iorio: like Leto have so much control. It's actually is I
Anthony Di Iorio: don't think, A, there are challenges and there are risks.
Anthony Di Iorio: And I'm not sure how it's going to work out.
Anthony Di Iorio: But I do think there's more centralization that has been
Anthony Di Iorio: that has happened due to it. But there's tradeoffs with everything.
Anthony Di Iorio: And I'm not a by any means a device of
Anthony Di Iorio: one black and white person. There's some things in the
Anthony Di Iorio: middle and there's tradeoffs maybe that were figured out that 60%
Anthony Di Iorio: would be good to do this and 40% not that good.
Anthony Di Iorio: And and that's just how things work. And one of
Anthony Di Iorio: the biggest learning lessons in my life was that things
Anthony Di Iorio: are gray. So it's not it's bad proof of stake
Anthony Di Iorio: and proof of work is good. There's going to be
Anthony Di Iorio: trade offs of everything that is done, and it's about
Anthony Di Iorio: trying to pick something that's going to going to work
Anthony Di Iorio: and maybe it won't work. And we're going to see
Anthony Di Iorio: that everything's experimental.
Travis Wright: Everything is fascinating to us. We've had people talking about
Travis Wright: this coming in and going, well, you know that whatever
Travis Wright: the number is, 41% of the Ethereum staked nodes are
Travis Wright: in the United States and out of the United States,
Travis Wright: things that they have jurisdiction over it, because they have
Travis Wright: the largest percentage of the nodes are in the U.S.
Travis Wright: So then the SEC wants maybe wants to come in
Travis Wright: and be like, hey, we're or that was one thing
Travis Wright: that kind of freaked me out once. I thought like, Oh,
Travis Wright: wait a second. Well, well, well, if that's the case,
Travis Wright: then that could create some that could create some challenges. So,
Travis Wright: you know, by having X amount of those nodes in
Travis Wright: a certain country, is there some mechanism in there to
Travis Wright: kind of control against that So that way? No, no
Travis Wright: country is the the biggest holder of the power there.
Anthony Di Iorio: Yeah, I think the I mean, the decentralization of nodes
Anthony Di Iorio: is something that's my main focus. That's what my project
Anthony Di Iorio: that I'm that I've announced and is going through the
Anthony Di Iorio: waitlist right now and is about how do we decentralized
Anthony Di Iorio: node infrastructure because there's a big centralization that is happening
Anthony Di Iorio: into entities like we mentioned in FINRA that has run
Anthony Di Iorio: on things like NWC and that is antithetical to to
Anthony Di Iorio: what the system should be alchemy in for these these
Anthony Di Iorio: these cloud service providers that are are corralling developers into
Anthony Di Iorio: their systems is now putting infrastructure onto these centralized systems.
Anthony Di Iorio: And I think everybody needs to be their own node.
Anthony Di Iorio: That's my, my thinking. I think that there's been a
Anthony Di Iorio: reduction of nodes and it needs to be increased and
Anthony Di Iorio: it comes down to building hardware that you can run
Anthony Di Iorio: your own node, which is what I'm building right now.
Anthony Di Iorio: And what my project is, is, is how do we
Anthony Di Iorio: decentralize node infrastructure? Because it's not meant to be in
Anthony Di Iorio: the hands of Web two models, which are cloud service
Anthony Di Iorio: providers that have so much control right now. So if
Anthony Di Iorio: the amount of nodes were increased and very simplified so
Anthony Di Iorio: that anybody can be their own node, you're going to
Anthony Di Iorio: see that decentralization happening globally and not being restricted to
Anthony Di Iorio: like it is in the US right now in other places.
Anthony Di Iorio: So that is a big problem I see in the
Anthony Di Iorio: space is that there is a centralization of infrastructure happening
Anthony Di Iorio: and how do we ensure that all these technologies are
Anthony Di Iorio: more decentralized and it's incentivized to run your own node
Anthony Di Iorio: rather than just build on someone else's nodes right now,
Anthony Di Iorio: which is happening right now.
Travis Wright: And so you need to have 30 to Ethereum right
Travis Wright: now to to stake, to create your own node. Is
Travis Wright: that ever going to maybe over time change to 16
Travis Wright: or eight or.
Anthony Di Iorio: I'm not sure what they're planning to do. I can't
Anthony Di Iorio: speak to that in terms of changing that. It is
Anthony Di Iorio: a lot. It's a big amount.
Joel Comm: So you're not currently involved that your bill. Like. Like
Joel Comm: the others. You've kind of moved on.
Anthony Di Iorio: Yeah. Vitalik is the only one really that is involved with.
Anthony Di Iorio: With the the organization. I mean, Joel builds strictly for Ethereum.
Anthony Di Iorio: I think they've now got into Polygon, maybe within Fiora, but,
Anthony Di Iorio: but Joe has always been full on Ethereum but more
Anthony Di Iorio: on his on the business side of things with with
Anthony Di Iorio: not involved in the foundation of italics the only one
Anthony Di Iorio: of the team that is still involved there but I
Anthony Di Iorio: still build Ethereum infrastructure. I build a theory and wallets
Anthony Di Iorio: as I do with Bitcoin and Litecoin and Dogecoin and
Anthony Di Iorio: Polygon and Avalanche, all Cardano and all these other ones.
Anthony Di Iorio: I've taken more of a industry perspective on this and
Anthony Di Iorio: try to support the infrastructure needs of all of them
Anthony Di Iorio: to make it simpler for their communities to thrive and
Anthony Di Iorio: have what they need to build.
Joel Comm: You don't strike me as a guy who would talk
Joel Comm: shit about others.
Anthony Di Iorio: So no, I don't. I don't like to talk badly
Anthony Di Iorio: about any other project. I think with a theory. And
Anthony Di Iorio: we always had that that ethos which was let everybody
Anthony Di Iorio: else do what they want to do and we're going
Anthony Di Iorio: to focus on putting out good stuff. So focus on ourselves.
Joel Comm: So let's, let's look at positives then, because you've got
Joel Comm: two founding members, Charles and Gavin, that have gone on
Joel Comm: to build Cardano and Polkadot respectively. What do you like
Joel Comm: about each of those?
Anthony Di Iorio: I when I pick to see what we're going to
Anthony Di Iorio: work with, I look to see how the communities are.
Anthony Di Iorio: I look to see who's behind it. Some of them
Anthony Di Iorio: I don't know. A lot of the people like we
Anthony Di Iorio: build Tron Infrastructure, we build Avalanche, Polygon, we build Crypto.com,
Anthony Di Iorio: even Binance Smart Chain. We built infrastructure for all of them.
Anthony Di Iorio: I don't necessarily know that nor the guys very well,
Anthony Di Iorio: I know, but what I specifically like about Cardano and
Anthony Di Iorio: Paul and and Polkadot is I know Charles and I
Anthony Di Iorio: know Gavin. There's things that I may like about them
Anthony Di Iorio: and the projects, but it doesn't necessarily, you know, I
Anthony Di Iorio: like everything about, about those things. But what I do
Anthony Di Iorio: know is they have a big following. They're really smart people,
Anthony Di Iorio: very hardworking people. And my knowledge of them and what
Anthony Di Iorio: they've been able to put together doesn't mean I think
Anthony Di Iorio: it's going to work. It means that these are all
Anthony Di Iorio: experiments that the winners, the best ones that are providing
Anthony Di Iorio: the most amount of utility and value in solving problems
Anthony Di Iorio: will do the best. So I don't say that they
Anthony Di Iorio: will win or that they're going to be the best,
Anthony Di Iorio: but they have an alternative way of looking at things,
Anthony Di Iorio: and maybe that's going to provide some value to the
Anthony Di Iorio: ecosystem as a whole. And it's all these little pieces
Anthony Di Iorio: that come together from all these different projects that are
Anthony Di Iorio: going to hopefully create a formula that's going to create
Anthony Di Iorio: something that's going to be a higher echelon, that's going
Anthony Di Iorio: to provide more value to people. So I'm a let's
Anthony Di Iorio: let's support everything that we that I think has an
Anthony Di Iorio: opportunity to create value. They may fail. I don't think
Anthony Di Iorio: it looks bad on me if I'm supporting something that
Anthony Di Iorio: eventually fails. I'm not saying that that that you should
Anthony Di Iorio: use them. I'm not saying I'm saying there's a big
Anthony Di Iorio: enough community that we're going to provide infrastructure that that
Anthony Di Iorio: will help them to hopefully achieve their goals. So I
Anthony Di Iorio: try not to take a divisive view on anything like
Anthony Di Iorio: that and try to help an entire ecosystem and and
Anthony Di Iorio: be collaborative as much as possible, because I think the
Anthony Di Iorio: more you can collaborate, the more friends you're going to
Anthony Di Iorio: have unless you're fighting. So I'll support and navigate being
Anthony Di Iorio: supportive of Bitcoin and being supportive of Ethereum and be supportive of
Anthony Di Iorio: Cardano being supportive for Polkadot and being supportive these other
Anthony Di Iorio: ones and delicately do that in a way that I
Anthony Di Iorio: think is going to showcase that we're here to help
Anthony Di Iorio: everybody succeed. We're here to create allies with as many
Anthony Di Iorio: people as possible, and you'll never get 100% of the
Anthony Di Iorio: people that you're actually you know, you're going to make
Anthony Di Iorio: that that those Bitcoin maximalists potentially that are just not
Anthony Di Iorio: going to because you're doing this, we're not Well, I'm
Anthony Di Iorio: gonna do my best. I still feel that I can
Anthony Di Iorio: provide value to you. At the end of the day,
Anthony Di Iorio: if I can get 95% of the people thinking what
Anthony Di Iorio: we're doing is helping to move things along, I think
Anthony Di Iorio: that's a pretty good one.
Joel Comm: It's a big crypto tent.
Travis Wright: It is, and it certainly is. So I don't know
Travis Wright: if he knows or not, but we all three have
Travis Wright: something in common. We're Joel in college was a deejay.
Travis Wright: My first job was as a DJ at a radio
Travis Wright: station with that old school, like eight. Like the commercials
Travis Wright: for all those people park their cars, cartridges, man, I
Travis Wright: got a photo of me doing that. And so you
Travis Wright: were you were also on as well. So let's go
Travis Wright: back to that era of Anthony and like and what
Travis Wright: kind of music stuff were you working on back in
Travis Wright: the day?
Anthony Di Iorio: Well, this was in the early 2000s. And when I
Anthony Di Iorio: first got into electronic music was kind of a big
Anthony Di Iorio: shift for me from alternative rock, which was most of
Anthony Di Iorio: my life in the nineties, was the alternative rock scene
Anthony Di Iorio: and the Pearl Jam, Nirvana, a lot of Canadian alternative rock.
Anthony Di Iorio: And then it was about 2000, I think, when I
Anthony Di Iorio: first started getting electronic music. And that was a whole
Anthony Di Iorio: different realm that that I was introduced to that I enjoyed.
Anthony Di Iorio: And in the early 2000s I was in initially through
Anthony Di Iorio: through through jungle Drum and bass was my initial first foray.
Anthony Di Iorio: And then it started getting into house and trance and
Anthony Di Iorio: tribal and the different kind of drum oriented music and
Anthony Di Iorio: melodies of trance and stuff like that. So this was
Anthony Di Iorio: early 2000s, and.
Travis Wright: I still love that kind of music.
Anthony Di Iorio: Yeah. And I was producing down there and oh, I
Anthony Di Iorio: do too. I write down from the chill out stuff,
Anthony Di Iorio: which I listen to quite a bit of. Yeah.
Travis Wright: Right. Yeah. Chill lo fi. Really good stuff.
Joel Comm: Just I just. I don't like when it's just the
Joel Comm: beat is off by.
Anthony Di Iorio: Just drives me nuts, right?
Joel Comm: Just. Just a 16th or even less or a bad 32nd.
Anthony Di Iorio: Something that that that just it just you hear as
Anthony Di Iorio: a as someone that that you know you're you're, you're
Anthony Di Iorio: automated in your beat matching and beat mixing and you're
Anthony Di Iorio: counting 32 is for everything and this is intentional or
Anthony Di Iorio: something that yes when it's intentional that's that's I don't
Anthony Di Iorio: mind it wasn't intentional. I do mind it when something
Anthony Di Iorio: is just off and they don't know that they're actually off,
Anthony Di Iorio: that's when it's like it's a little bit weird for me.
Travis Wright: You've been to Ibiza.
Anthony Di Iorio: I have a number of times.
Travis Wright: Isn't it amazing?
Anthony Di Iorio: I haven't been for a for a number of years.
Anthony Di Iorio: I do enjoy Visa. I do enjoy the European party
Anthony Di Iorio: vibe scene. Um, I love Canada. Toronto was kind of
Anthony Di Iorio: a place called Government in Toronto was like the leading
Anthony Di Iorio: North America club for for a number of years and
Anthony Di Iorio: was there quite frequently and uh, doing New Year's parties
Anthony Di Iorio: at these other places. And, and some of my favorite
Anthony Di Iorio: deejays are out of Spain, tribal deejays.
Travis Wright: Um, there was a while for me, man, to see
Travis Wright: that when you're looking at, when you go into one
Travis Wright: of these venues like in Ibiza and there's like so
Travis Wright: many thousands of people in this fucking place and you're
Travis Wright: looking around going like, Oh my God. And there's like, huge.
Travis Wright: It's no longer just music, it's music, audio, visual. Just
Travis Wright: it's just the.
Anthony Di Iorio: Globally for.
Travis Wright: Unbelievable.
Anthony Di Iorio: A a trio called Above and Beyond their age a
Anthony Di Iorio: trance act that just the Bank of California stadium for
Anthony Di Iorio: their 500th event and they had like 50,000 people there
Anthony Di Iorio: and we Flo flew in just to go to that
Anthony Di Iorio: a few weeks ago. And the energy, the positivity, the
Anthony Di Iorio: love that these guys put forward in their music and
Anthony Di Iorio: the audience and the crowds and people with signs like
Anthony Di Iorio: Above and Beyond Change My Life and just the positivity
Anthony Di Iorio: is something that I've taken from this and that I really,
Anthony Di Iorio: you know, respect with music and creating user experiences. It's
Anthony Di Iorio: all about creating mindblowing experiences for people where they walk
Anthony Di Iorio: a go and they go, What did I just experience there?
Anthony Di Iorio: That's what I think is, is, is experiential and how
Anthony Di Iorio: do you do those things, which is great.
Joel Comm: It's, it's Ibiza.
Travis Wright: This to be thinking.
Joel Comm: Well, if offended.
Travis Wright: You.
Joel Comm: Offended off with your head.
Travis Wright: Off with him like that.
Joel Comm: So. Best Canadian rock band ever.
Anthony Di Iorio: I Mother Earth.
Joel Comm: Which one?
Anthony Di Iorio: I Mother Earth.
Joel Comm: I Mother Earth. Yeah, I'm there right there.
Anthony Di Iorio: I grew up with them in the not in the nineties.
Anthony Di Iorio: I've been to so many shows they're dear friends of
Anthony Di Iorio: mine now and just me, my brother, he used to
Anthony Di Iorio: go quite frequently and I just really enjoyed their music.
Anthony Di Iorio: Kind of like Santana. A lot of guitars just, yeah,
Anthony Di Iorio: check them out.
Travis Wright: Sometimes that's the correct answer. According to him, the correct
Travis Wright: answer is probably Rush.
Anthony Di Iorio: Rush is great to rush.
Joel Comm: That is the correct answer.
Travis Wright: This is the correct answer. It is.
Anthony Di Iorio: Sorry, that sounds very binary to me.
Joel Comm: That's okay.
Anthony Di Iorio: That sounds very binary, very divisive.
Joel Comm: Very divisive. I was actually opening up Spotify right now
Joel Comm: to look for I'm Mother Earth. If you say that they're. Yeah,
Joel Comm: they're worthy of okay, one more.
Anthony Di Iorio: In fact they had with one of their shows they
Anthony Di Iorio: did have Geddy Lee came up you know, Alex Lifeson
Anthony Di Iorio: I think was, was uh, came and did some, some
Anthony Di Iorio: songs with them for that. So and they used to
Anthony Di Iorio: do some, some rush covers and stuff too.
Joel Comm: But Mother Earth 82,000 monthly listeners and I will listen
Joel Comm: to them first.
Anthony Di Iorio: Computer IBM, PC Junior 83 Wow.
Joel Comm: So I had mine was a tiara 80 model one
Joel Comm: in 1980.
Anthony Di Iorio: That was before me.
Joel Comm: I'm really dating myself, but I.
Anthony Di Iorio: Well, you must be older than I am.
Joel Comm: I can't code my way out of a paper bag, though.
Joel Comm: Never could. I was just a user. I just I
Joel Comm: There are something about my mom says, What do you
Joel Comm: need a computer for? Of course, now she understands. Now
Joel Comm: she has her own, you know, popular website and YouTube channel.
Anthony Di Iorio: With a phone.
Joel Comm: Yeah, and a phone. And right. Though it's amazing to
Joel Comm: me as I hold this iPhone, this is a ten
Joel Comm: and I there there's no compelling reason to upgrade to
Joel Comm: new phones as far as I'm concerned because Apple's not
Joel Comm: done anything innovative.
Anthony Di Iorio: Since these that maybe they try to slow it down
Anthony Di Iorio: all the time so that they force you into it.
Travis Wright: Right?
Joel Comm: Yeah, they make it right. But it just blows my
Joel Comm: mind that this computer that we hold on our hands
Joel Comm: is more powerful than what they used to fill a
Joel Comm: whole building with these computers, with the real spinning cards.
Anthony Di Iorio: First thing I started working with at camps that I
Anthony Di Iorio: used to go to even before I had a computer,
Anthony Di Iorio: was literally these punch cards and these big mainframes and COBOL.
Joel Comm: Yeah, Fortran.
Anthony Di Iorio: Yeah.
Joel Comm: Oh, shoot me. Now.
Travis Wright: While I was watching this show on, on Gaia television,
Travis Wright: which is like it's, it's like a streaming, but it's
Travis Wright: like the spiritual stuff. And this dude, Robert Edward Grant,
Travis Wright: was I'm watching this show on it. It's like, it's
Travis Wright: like one of the special series where they have somebody
Travis Wright: fly in and they do a couple of days with
Travis Wright: the guy. This dude dissected the Vitruvian Man and that's
Travis Wright: Leonardo's work. And it basically tied it to the to
Travis Wright: the Great Pyramids. And there's all this data that's hidden
Travis Wright: inside the Vitruvian Man, also Mona Lisa. And then he
Travis Wright: also basically went and said, Yeah, and all music is
Travis Wright: tuned incorrectly. Basically it should be 432 hertz is the
Travis Wright: key number which I've talked about for many years. But
Travis Wright: it validation actually came back.
Joel Comm: Why wasn't it 420 though I mean would that not.
Joel Comm: Have major day in your life?
Travis Wright: No, it was your twenties. This is a made up
Travis Wright: number Anyways, before 40 is an intentionally with a vibration.
Travis Wright: The music is off and when it's actually vibrated and
Travis Wright: in tune to 432 hertz, the music sounds different. Like
Travis Wright: it literally, it almost feels like you have goosebumps or
Travis Wright: you can feel the music more. It's tied to Fibonacci
Travis Wright: and all this other stuff that.
Joel Comm: Was a joke, you know, understand.
Travis Wright: It's really good.
Joel Comm: You like for 2014.
Travis Wright: Is not bad before 32 hertz is actually I'm more
Travis Wright: of a fan of 432. Okay, fair enough. That's not
Travis Wright: even the question. I was just like, you should got
Travis Wright: to watch that dude as.
Anthony Di Iorio: I haven't seen it. And I the whole numerology type
Anthony Di Iorio: of thing, I find it hard to know. And if
Anthony Di Iorio: you type, if you double eight at 16 and 16
Anthony Di Iorio: the number of this .
Travis Wright: So some of that stuff's a little wonky, but this
Travis Wright: is called the Divine encryption. And he goes into all
Travis Wright: this deep studies and it was fascinating. Blew my mind.
Travis Wright: I love how how technology it's like it basically it
Travis Wright: all kind of goes down to in a lot of ways.
Travis Wright: And it seems like things are so clear when it
Travis Wright: comes to the math and how far everything is like
Travis Wright: the moon from the earth and the earth from the
Travis Wright: sun and all of those. It's almost like we're in
Travis Wright: some sort of simulation somehow that, you know, God.
Joel Comm: Don't don't tell him.
Travis Wright: You know, tell him about it. Oh, okay. So if
Travis Wright: it's a really good if it's a really good simulation,
Travis Wright: I need to go back to like 2015 and get
Travis Wright: part of that ICO for Ethereum.
Joel Comm: Dude, in 27.
Travis Wright: Seconds.
Anthony Di Iorio: I was a 1414.
Travis Wright: Right?
Joel Comm: I missed it. We didn't get in really till 2017,
Joel Comm: although Travis did mine Bitcoin back in 2010.
Travis Wright: I did.
Joel Comm: An entire.
Travis Wright: Slashdot article. I saw that and I mind that they
Travis Wright: destroyed my computer and we're like our our mutual friend
Travis Wright: Marshall would have been like, Oh dude, here's an opportunity.
Anthony Di Iorio: Marshall Long.
Travis Wright: I'm like, Man, it destroyed my computer. What a piece
Travis Wright: of shit.
Joel Comm: So somewhere I.
Travis Wright: Should probably buy.
Anthony Di Iorio: Some or you're talking to.
Joel Comm: Marshall on somewhere in a hard drive in a Kansas
Joel Comm: City dump. Is Travis 50 Bitcoin that.
Anthony Di Iorio: Like not the not, not the famous dump.
Travis Wright: It's a different one. Different one. That guy has a
Travis Wright: thousand bitcoin. No, they only had 55. I went to
Travis Wright: an example. You know, one of the things you go
Travis Wright: there and you get fired was in a faucet or
Travis Wright: the faucet. Yeah. How did.
Anthony Di Iorio: You I know going through this around how did you
Anthony Di Iorio: get into and hear about Bitcoin 2010 or even.
Travis Wright: It was the Slashdot article. Basically I always pay attention
Travis Wright: to Slashdot in the news and I was in Silicon
Travis Wright: Valley and stuff and I was like, Wait a second,
Travis Wright: I am really they've never, you know, audited. The Federal
Travis Wright: Reserve Bank for Fiat money to me has always been
Travis Wright: once I realize what Fiat money was back in 2000,
Travis Wright: I was like, wait a second. So that actually was
Travis Wright: a detriment to me because I didn't really invest in
Travis Wright: the stock market much because I thought the stock market's
Travis Wright: all a bunch of bullshit because it's all tied to
Travis Wright: this money. That's PR, that's all BS. And so then
Travis Wright: seeing Bitcoin made sense, but it made sense enough for
Travis Wright: me to mind some and go to some and research it.
Travis Wright: But then when it crashed my computer, I was broken
Travis Wright: off at the time to not be like, Damn, I
Travis Wright: got to get another computer and I didn't even. And
Travis Wright: then the price of Bitcoin that it was, you know,
Travis Wright: so it was just like it almost hooked me.
Anthony Di Iorio: When did you know? When did it hook you?
Travis Wright: It hook Well, I did it again. I got back
Travis Wright: in in 2015. I bought some Bitcoin and then I
Travis Wright: end up not making any money on that because I
Travis Wright: had to sell it because our agency wasn't doing so
Travis Wright: great at the time. And then really when we started
Travis Wright: talking in 2016 to early 20 1716.
Joel Comm: That's because I had heard about it years earlier being
Joel Comm: in technology. But I didn't understand this concept of mining
Joel Comm: bitcoin that did not connect with me. And usually I'm
Joel Comm: right there at the beginning of this new technology. I
Joel Comm: want to know about it. And all I could envision
Joel Comm: was little men with pickaxes inside computers going thinking to
Joel Comm: it because I didn't understand it. Then he starts chat
Joel Comm: me up and talking about, you know, crypto, what I
Joel Comm: think of this. And so I go down the rabbit
Joel Comm: hole and by early 2017 I'm in. And then we
Joel Comm: started this podcast shortly thereafter and the rest is unfortunate history.
Joel Comm: Here we.
Anthony Di Iorio: Are. Good for you to keeping it up.
Joel Comm: Yeah, that's what she said.
Travis Wright: Five and a half, five and a half years. And
Travis Wright: we both live here in Puerto Rico now. Yeah. So it's,
Travis Wright: it's been, it's been quite a journey, you know. And,
Travis Wright: you know, we've had some of the most amazing people
Travis Wright: on the we just one of our previous guests just
Travis Wright: recently was Edward Griffin, the guy who wrote The Creature
Travis Wright: of Jekyll Island is amazing. Just, you know, thought leaders
Travis Wright: early on in the space saw it. We interviewed Ron
Travis Wright: Paul but when our interview and you bunch of other
Travis Wright: awesome people and it's just been it's just been a
Travis Wright: blessing to to tap in and connect with amazing people
Travis Wright: who are doing great stuff, have great vision and trying
Travis Wright: to make the world a better place. Because, you know,
Travis Wright: I'm I'm of the belief of we got to get
Travis Wright: some of this stuff right because if not, we are
Travis Wright: so tied in to centralization that if centralization could turn
Travis Wright: authoritarianism so easily, even if the wrong knobs are turned,
Travis Wright: it seems.
Anthony Di Iorio: To me leadership and problem solving is two of the
Anthony Di Iorio: sorely lacking things that the world really needs to solve
Anthony Di Iorio: some of the greater problems. And that's that's. To the
Anthony Di Iorio: things that are, um, you know, as you look in
Anthony Di Iorio: to see what is missing in the tools that are
Anthony Di Iorio: needed in order to create the change needed. That I
Anthony Di Iorio: think is what it is, is kind of virtuous leadership
Anthony Di Iorio: and the ability to problem solving solve out of the
Anthony Di Iorio: way things are usually done into new ways of doing things.
Anthony Di Iorio: And that's the role that I think is is crucial
Anthony Di Iorio: to build the next generation of those two things. Leaders
Anthony Di Iorio: and problem.
Joel Comm: Solvers.
Travis Wright: Let's focus leadership. Yeah, so let's.
Joel Comm: Let's let's wrap with your final thoughts around this then,
Joel Comm: because there is the fear of cbdcs taking over and
Joel Comm: us becoming like China with the social credit score and
Joel Comm: you can't buy or sell if they don't approve of,
Joel Comm: you know, what you're what you're getting or.
Anthony Di Iorio: Saying.
Joel Comm: What you're saying especially.
Travis Wright: Or if you don't use your money enough, they literally
Travis Wright: program is like, wait a second, is your money quick enough?
Joel Comm: Is Taylor way There goes. But I had.
Travis Wright: No permanently in the middle right?
Joel Comm: So how fearful are you of that and what would
Joel Comm: you say we can do besides obviously having good leaders
Joel Comm: to make sure this doesn't go down that road?
Anthony Di Iorio: I'm I try not to be fearful of things. I
Anthony Di Iorio: don't think it's a good approach to be taking from
Anthony Di Iorio: from the fear basis. I think I am an optimist
Anthony Di Iorio: and I think there's a a duty for. The people
Anthony Di Iorio: that are in our space here that are really, I think,
Anthony Di Iorio: some of the most intelligent people in the world and
Anthony Di Iorio: doing the things that are that are being done in
Anthony Di Iorio: our movements here, movements of freedom, movements of liberty, movements
Anthony Di Iorio: of personal responsibility, movements of, uh, of allowing others to
Anthony Di Iorio: do what they want, but don't impact me in the
Anthony Di Iorio: things that I want to do in the way that
Anthony Di Iorio: I'm doing things. So I think if more of approach
Anthony Di Iorio: of what I can do and I think it's it's
Anthony Di Iorio: I've learned over the years is that what I'm good
Anthony Di Iorio: at is problem solving. And I'm good at hopefully of
Anthony Di Iorio: being a leader that can actually bring people together and
Anthony Di Iorio: create movements of alignment and take a set of old
Anthony Di Iorio: business models to new models that serve more people and
Anthony Di Iorio: or not feeling that people are not being included in
Anthony Di Iorio: the solutions along the way. The last ten years, I've
Anthony Di Iorio: I've learned that, you know, models of advertising don't work
Anthony Di Iorio: and I don't want to do those types of things.
Anthony Di Iorio: Models of collecting user information is something that my products
Anthony Di Iorio: never do. We don't want to know who you are.
Anthony Di Iorio: We don't know want to know what you're doing. We
Anthony Di Iorio: don't want to keep logs of your stuff, which is
Anthony Di Iorio: what we don't do with any of our infrastructure. We
Anthony Di Iorio: we keep no logs of anything of what our users
Anthony Di Iorio: are doing. And it's about how do we, how do
Anthony Di Iorio: we then expose, um, forward thinking models that aren't extractive,
Anthony Di Iorio: which is what most models are, whether they be extracting
Anthony Di Iorio: people's information or extracting people's eyeballs to be looking at
Anthony Di Iorio: something and doing things at added expense. Or you realize
Anthony Di Iorio: afterwards that, wait a second, that's not a good model,
Anthony Di Iorio: even though you thought it was free there. And I'm
Anthony Di Iorio: taking my data, taking my information and or selling me stuff,
Anthony Di Iorio: which is the constant. You're the product sell, sell. You
Anthony Di Iorio: become the product. So how do we showcase new models
Anthony Di Iorio: of doing things that showcase even incumbents, that you can
Anthony Di Iorio: be part of this mix and be involved? And here's
Anthony Di Iorio: a better way for you to get what you want,
Anthony Di Iorio: because the way you're doing things are actually going to
Anthony Di Iorio: lead to your demise. Empires fail usually because they haven't
Anthony Di Iorio: been able to problem solve their way from the beginning,
Anthony Di Iorio: a better ways to do things that are going to
Anthony Di Iorio: serve more people. We're seeing that right now. A lot
Anthony Di Iorio: of tech giants and the way that their models are
Anthony Di Iorio: leading to their demise. We've seen it with civilizational empires
Anthony Di Iorio: that that over time become lazy and do things with
Anthony Di Iorio: a reliance on too many other people.
Travis Wright: You will eat ze bugs, Joel Comm and you will like them.
Joel Comm: Mr. Schwab is nasty. Mr. Schwab, what do you think
Joel Comm: of what Elon's doing with Twitter?
Anthony Di Iorio: I say give him some time to try to figure
Anthony Di Iorio: things out. Leave me alone right now. Yeah, that's. That's
Anthony Di Iorio: what I say. I just. They they. They're just attacking.
Anthony Di Iorio: It's from all different areas. And I think he does
Anthony Di Iorio: things that that also lead to him being deficient in
Anthony Di Iorio: ways that people will attack based on him being a
Anthony Di Iorio: douche sometimes with things with other people. And I think
Anthony Di Iorio: the more that you're not being a jerk and doing
Anthony Di Iorio: things and just focusing on your mission and not saying
Anthony Di Iorio: things to spark this, this type of, um, you know,
Anthony Di Iorio: attack mode of people, I think comes about because you've
Anthony Di Iorio: maybe done things that have led to that, right?
Travis Wright: So, hey, dude, get some sleep, bro. You got 17
Travis Wright: companies you CEO of right now about.
Joel Comm: Anything but boring. Dude, where would you like people to
Joel Comm: go to see what you're working on now?
Anthony Di Iorio: So the the project that I'm doing now is called Andiami.
Joel Comm: Andiami is Italian.
Anthony Di Iorio: No, it's my word. Well, there's no word I created.
Anthony Di Iorio: It's Andiami , which means let's go. Hurry on, Jimmy
Anthony Di Iorio: to be me. Let's all go together.
Travis Wright: So it's like origami of let's go.
Anthony Di Iorio: It's it's it's ten years of building. And finally the
Anthony Di Iorio: project I'm putting out is, is how do we empower
Anthony Di Iorio: people with the tools they need to be in control
Anthony Di Iorio: of their lives, their money, communication, identity, which is the
Anthony Di Iorio: three pillars I've always built around. How do we ensure
Anthony Di Iorio: that the technologies that I think have some promise, which
Anthony Di Iorio: are these decentralized tech that have emerged, whether they be,
Anthony Di Iorio: as we mentioned, Polkadot or Cardano or Ethereum or Bitcoin,
Anthony Di Iorio: how do how do they have the tools to to
Anthony Di Iorio: allow their their communities to flourish and grow so Andiami
Anthony Di Iorio: is a collaborative project that's here to increase the amount
Anthony Di Iorio: of nodes and make it very easy for everybody to
Anthony Di Iorio: be to be their own node. So we're creating blockchain
Anthony Di Iorio: computers that come pre-loaded with every transaction for any chain
Anthony Di Iorio: that you possibly want, plug and play like consoles like
Anthony Di Iorio: like your Ps5 or your Xbox.
Joel Comm: My STEAM deck.
Anthony Di Iorio: Yeah. Everything to to create a personal server for you
Anthony Di Iorio: to send your own transactions to have all the historical
Anthony Di Iorio: data you need and then.
Travis Wright: Literally making people a bank.
Anthony Di Iorio: Which is why I got into this space. how do you
Anthony Di Iorio: be your own bank? And the idea of being able
Anthony Di Iorio: to be my own bank, which kind of got me
Anthony Di Iorio: into the space. But I think you can have a
Anthony Di Iorio: user controlled Internet unless the user themselves is their own server.
Anthony Di Iorio: And if you're reliant on any third party to send
Anthony Di Iorio: your transactions, you then become beholden to to certain restrictions
Anthony Di Iorio: or you're in their monetary gain process potentially. So our
Anthony Di Iorio: goal is to have a system where you can run
Anthony Di Iorio: your own node, which for whatever chain you want, and
Anthony Di Iorio: then you're incentivized to run a node as well. With
Anthony Di Iorio: a token we're putting out that's going to allow you
Anthony Di Iorio: to share your resources with other people. So right now
Anthony Di Iorio: know that there's Chia in. Yeah, it's it's right now
Anthony Di Iorio: a lot of the structure is in the hands of centralized entities
Anthony Di Iorio: that are providing services so that you can build. But
Anthony Di Iorio: at the end of the day, you're beholden to what
Anthony Di Iorio: they're doing. So our ideas, we need a much more
Anthony Di Iorio: decentralized node infrastructure. And then you have resources that you
Anthony Di Iorio: can share for you. If you want to send a
Anthony Di Iorio: transaction and you don't have the resources, you can pay
Anthony Di Iorio: him to send it for you and you're bypassing .
Joel Comm: Western Union without the fee.
Anthony Di Iorio: And without that name either. But yeah, you're you're empowering
Anthony Di Iorio: individuals to be fully sovereign. Their money, communications and identity
Anthony Di Iorio: run and send their own transactions, contribute to the networks,
Anthony Di Iorio: and then share resources. You may have to allow others
Anthony Di Iorio: to to be able to send systems as well. So
Anthony Di Iorio: it's a node sharing protocol that we've developed.
Travis Wright: And any potential vulnerabilities around it being connected to wi
Travis Wright: fi or is it no able to turn that off?
Anthony Di Iorio: No. I mean, it's like running your own nodes right now.
Anthony Di Iorio: It's using a BitTorrent s model for for doing the
Anthony Di Iorio: node sharing system. But it's going to be incentivized with
Anthony Di Iorio: the token to for those that have the resources and
Anthony Di Iorio: those that need resources, because you need to be able
Anthony Di Iorio: to send transactions. And now you're reliant on a wallet
Anthony Di Iorio: company that's usually reliant on a third party to do so.
Anthony Di Iorio: And we say you should be able to do it yourself.
Travis Wright: Are you going to do an ICO or something for those tokens or Hey,
Travis Wright: we're doing.
Anthony Di Iorio: A game. It's all coming out as a game. So
Anthony Di Iorio: you can be a player in the game and you're
Anthony Di Iorio: buying physical what we're calling non-fungible digitals. I've created a
Anthony Di Iorio: term and a piece. Okay, You're bringing physical products together
Anthony Di Iorio: with digital elements, and so we have player kits that
Anthony Di Iorio: we're selling to people, and the player kits are puzzles
Anthony Di Iorio: that you need to unlock with your brain power to
Anthony Di Iorio: unlock the tokens. And the tokens are used on the protocol,
Anthony Di Iorio: the node sharing protocol. That's how we're putting it out.
Anthony Di Iorio: Andiami.
Joel Comm: So I'm going to tell my kids that on Diame
Joel Comm: is Italian for Anthony's a good guy.
Anthony Di Iorio: And let's all go together. You can't go out if
Anthony Di Iorio: we if we can all go together. That's just not
Anthony Di Iorio: that's not the way things work. So and we're here
Anthony Di Iorio: to help all of the great chains to succeed. And
Anthony Di Iorio: we're here to join their communities and provide them the
Anthony Di Iorio: infrastructure they need.
Travis Wright: You say, what's your middle name in?
Anthony Di Iorio: It's actually I'm British, Italian. It's Charles.
Travis Wright: Oh, okay. Because I'm going to think because if it
Travis Wright: was in, it would be Anthony in the Oreo. Why
Travis Wright: am I.
Anthony Di Iorio: Let me tell you what it stands for many things
Anthony Di Iorio: so and and is Anthony de Oreo's DI that's the
Anthony Di Iorio: Andy part of it okay so and deal with that
Anthony Di Iorio: Jimmy you were.
Joel Comm: Deciphering.
Anthony Di Iorio: If you put it backwards it's I am a I
Anthony Di Iorio: am I DNA All right And that was something I
Anthony Di Iorio: didn't think about there I mean his friend, right? So
Anthony Di Iorio: the me part, there's a number of different meanings behind
Anthony Di Iorio: the name that I put together here that, that it
Anthony Di Iorio: makes sense and kind of became that perfect name for
Anthony Di Iorio: the project. But at the end of the day, it's
Anthony Di Iorio: let's all go together.
Joel Comm: And I am I also a statement.
Anthony Di Iorio: Let's I am I, but let's all go together. You
Anthony Di Iorio: just draw on the individual and I want to be
Anthony Di Iorio: that individual. Don't group me into I don't like being
Anthony Di Iorio: put in groups, but I'm the individual. But let's all
Anthony Di Iorio: go together because we all offer some type of value
Anthony Di Iorio: into the equation and we don't want to be put
Anthony Di Iorio: into into these groups.
Travis Wright: So since we just kind of decipher that a little bit,
Travis Wright: so where's our tokens?
Anthony Di Iorio: So the waitlist is open right now. If we open
Anthony Di Iorio: for a while, we go about 55,000 people on the
Anthony Di Iorio: waitlist right now. Really, And you're going to be then
Anthony Di Iorio: sorted in an order and there's me rounds and we're
Anthony Di Iorio: selling player kits, literally physical boxes of these beautiful things
Anthony Di Iorio: that you open up. And it has puzzle books. I
Anthony Di Iorio: have a full line of printing, of big hardcover books,
Anthony Di Iorio: and every every puzzle book is unique to each person.
Anthony Di Iorio: So you have all the puzzles, images, AI generated images.
Travis Wright: We're going to have you on again and go through
Travis Wright: this would love video.
Anthony Di Iorio: I would love to. There's we just announced that a
Anthony Di Iorio: couple of months ago, but it's a culmination of ten
Anthony Di Iorio: years of building infrastructure and building things to create a
Anthony Di Iorio: project that is a perfect formula to help other projects succeed.
Anthony Di Iorio: We're not competitive in anybody. We're here to help everybody along.
Anthony Di Iorio: And that's kind of what's needed in this space.
Travis Wright: I think too, reminds me of the Neil the Neil
Travis Wright: Patrick Harris has has this game called The One. And
Travis Wright: it's basically a puzzle thing that you play. You're you
Travis Wright: open it up yourself and it's a puzzle just for you.
Travis Wright: And then he has another puzzle because he apparently loves
Travis Wright: puzzles for you to decipher with some other person.
Anthony Di Iorio: So physical and digital coming together, it's what we're doing
Anthony Di Iorio: in all our products. So every product is a Nonfungible
Anthony Di Iorio: Phygital Phygital is a physical, physical, digital product. You tap
Anthony Di Iorio: it with your phone, it proves authenticity. So there's NFC
Anthony Di Iorio: chips baked into every product that we have from the
Anthony Di Iorio: books to the kits. Everything is a tap to prove authenticity,
Anthony Di Iorio: and it all comes together in a global game of
Anthony Di Iorio: physical and digital. There's a video game associated with it.
Anthony Di Iorio: You have to unlock things in your player kit that
Anthony Di Iorio: ties into the video game, and then it's all towards
Anthony Di Iorio: unlocking your tokens, using brainpower to solve puzzles and learn
Anthony Di Iorio: and educational tools along the way. So there's five pillars
Anthony Di Iorio: It's education, leadership, problem solving, scam mitigation, gamification are the
Anthony Di Iorio: pillars we built this whole project on, and it's all
Anthony Di Iorio: about empowerment. And how do you let people be in
Anthony Di Iorio: control of their lives? Because right now we're not really
Anthony Di Iorio: in control. And usually it's it's beholden to someone else.
Travis Wright: So, dude, it's beautiful. That is amazing. That's how that's. Thank you. So cool.
Travis Wright: I can't wait to mess with that.
Anthony Di Iorio: Yeah. Oh, and you got to see the cubes if
Anthony Di Iorio: you can see them.
Joel Comm: Oh, so we're looking at the website here. You guys have.
Anthony Di Iorio: Puzzle watching computers. Those are the cubes that come preloaded
Anthony Di Iorio: with any chain you want, every transaction that's ever existed,
Anthony Di Iorio: and you just plug it in and it continues to
Anthony Di Iorio: bring in new blocks as you're going along and you
Anthony Di Iorio: send your own transactions, you become completely self-sufficient. And we've
Anthony Di Iorio: been we've been building these for years and they're ready
Anthony Di Iorio: to go. And so now the game is going to
Anthony Di Iorio: be starting as soon as we close up the waitlist
Anthony Di Iorio: in a month or two.
Joel Comm: I did not expect this, but I'm glad to see
Joel Comm: that you're working on something so worthwhile. Thank you. I
Joel Comm: think this can make a real difference.
Travis Wright: It's spectacular.
Joel Comm: Go check it out Andiami if you don't know how
Joel Comm: I'm spelling it and I am i.
Anthony Di Iorio: N d I am. I don't work.
Joel Comm: On. Dion, me or Anthony. Thanks for for your time today.
Joel Comm: Thanks so much, gentlemen. We really appreciate it. Travis, We
Joel Comm: have proof that we worked today. For this interview.
Travis Wright: We have why it is, it's because we did an NFT?
Joel Comm: And that's because well, because there's a podcast is proof.
Joel Comm: If people are listening to it, that is proof of
Joel Comm: work right now. But we're moving from proof of work
Joel Comm: like Ethereum to proof of stake. So I'm going to
Joel Comm: go have a steak dinner.
Travis Wright: I actually had a steak gyro today. It was really good.
Travis Wright: And and I have a Greek salad and actually, what
Travis Wright: is it? This is going live tomorrow, right?
Joel Comm: This is going live on the 11th of December.
Travis Wright: Yes. Okay. So on the 11th of December, I am
Travis Wright: starting a seven day water fast. I've been planning this
Travis Wright: one for a couple of weeks. And so my goal
Travis Wright: is to go at least 168 hours on this thing.
Travis Wright: The longest I've ever done is about a week and
Travis Wright: a half. I did 12 and a half days back
Travis Wright: in 2017 or 2018, so I'm going to go a
Travis Wright: long fast. So these next couple of podcasts, I'm going
Travis Wright: to be a grumpy asshole, you guys. Yeah.
Joel Comm: Yeah. So lucky me I get to deal with this.
Joel Comm: So but you know what? You're you're definitely you're shrinking.
Joel Comm: You are. You're dissipating. And pretty soon you're going to
Joel Comm: be skinny. Travis.
Travis Wright: I say I would say this thank you for one.
Travis Wright: But I would say this is that it's all about
Travis Wright: not what you eat, but when you eat, there's something
Travis Wright: magical that happens. I mean, so what I've been doing now,
Travis Wright: and this is what I have done, not what I'm doing,
Travis Wright: what I have done is I have done now 90.
Travis Wright: How many? 97 fasts in a row, Joel, I've not
Travis Wright: missed a day. So basically my last meal of the
Travis Wright: day and my first meal of the day bare minimum,
Travis Wright: is at least 13 hours in between those meals. Usually
Travis Wright: it's 16, 18 hours. Many times it's in the 20
Travis Wright: plus hours. A lot of times about every couple of weeks,
Travis Wright: I'll do at least a 24 hour fast where I'll
Travis Wright: eat lunch, skip dinner, skip breakfast and eat lunch the
Travis Wright: next day, which is a really easy way to do that.
Travis Wright: But there's a guy on on YouTube called Dr. Prob
Travis Wright: Dip for a dip jam notice. And this guy is
Travis Wright: a heart surgeon and he talks about what happens in
Travis Wright: your body when you fast past that third day, the
Travis Wright: histones in your DNA actually open up and you do
Travis Wright: a super cleaning. And so I turned 50 in May.
Travis Wright: And so I figure it's probably time to do a
Travis Wright: good cleaning to my system, clean out the arteries, do
Travis Wright: a bunch of stuff to kind of just kind of reboot,
Travis Wright: clean out the liver a little bit, clean out the kidneys,
Travis Wright: just give myself a a nice reboot a bit and yeah, not,
Travis Wright: not financial or health advice in this podcast, but if
Travis Wright: you're interested in doing intermittent fasting, I would recommend looking
Travis Wright: into it because it is all about when, not about what,
Travis Wright: as far as I can tell.
Joel Comm: Hmm. So there you go. We're going to follow along
Joel Comm: on Travis's journey. And I'll tell you, we're on a
Joel Comm: couple of concurrent journeys right here. Travis and I have
Joel Comm: been going deep, deep, deep down this artificial intelligence rabbit hole.
Joel Comm: And we're both playing with some really interesting things. And
Joel Comm: we're going to be covering this on the show in
Joel Comm: the near future. We're going to try and get some
Joel Comm: guests on here to help talk about this. You know,
Joel Comm: even though it is not directly blockchain, this is a
Joel Comm: convergence of technologies that is definitely going to have blockchain
Joel Comm: aspects to it. And we're excited about it. And because
Joel Comm: we're excited about it, we want to talk about it
Joel Comm: and we want to bring it to you.
Travis Wright: So that's the three. It really is. I mean, when
Travis Wright: you think about what is Web3, Web3 is crypto. We
Travis Wright: talked about that early on in 2017 about Web3 and
Travis Wright: blockchain being the third generation of the Internet. And so
Travis Wright: it's web3, it's A.I., it's crypto, right? It's VR, R
Travis Wright: and Metaverse stuff, All of these kind of things that
Travis Wright: we like to talk about is all within this new space.
Travis Wright: So it's really at this point maybe evolving into the
Travis Wright: bad web3 show because a lot of this stuff is Web3
Travis Wright: technologies as we are merging and converging into the future
Travis Wright: with cryptocurrency and all the things that go around with it.
Joel Comm: You know, as we are talking, you are playing with
Joel Comm: an AI tool to create an NFT for this episode,
Joel Comm: and I'm seeing the images that you're sending me on signal,
Joel Comm: and these are amazing. I think like, let's, I want
Joel Comm: to do this. I want to save these images. Travis
Joel Comm: that show all the different ones. And then we're going
Joel Comm: to give away the what the final one that we
Joel Comm: choose to to give away, or we can have people
Joel Comm: vote on it. What what would you think of that
Joel Comm: of us putting.
Travis Wright: Well, I think you can't we drop multiple ones. I
Travis Wright: think we can draw. We could do whatever we want. Wow.
Travis Wright: Look at this one. This one, we could.
Joel Comm: Do whatever we want. So here's the deal. If you
Joel Comm: want to get this Etherium NFT that we're going to
Joel Comm: drop for free, you still need to have a bad
Joel Comm: crypto nifty club membership, which is not free. It's going
Joel Comm: to wipe you out because it costs all of about
Joel Comm: $2 and 50 cents to get all the free airdrops and
Joel Comm: through this membership, go to bad crypto dot uncut dot FM.
Joel Comm: Every day people are buying this NFT and you're getting airdrops.
Joel Comm: I think we've done five or six airdrops now that
Joel Comm: are related to various episodes. They're not available anywhere else.
Joel Comm: You can't buy these airdrops we're doing. And these are
Joel Comm: some bad ass nfts. If you want this Etherium one,
Joel Comm: you better make sure that by Wednesday night of this
Joel Comm: week that you've got the bad crypto nifty club membership
Joel Comm: NFT in your wallet, you go to bad crypto dot
Joel Comm: uncut dot FM look for the membership NFT, it's spinny,
Joel Comm: it's red, it's got me and Travis on it by
Joel Comm: Wednesday evening, the 14th of December. If you want this
Joel Comm: free Ethereum NFT, you need to have this in your wallet.
Joel Comm: These are cool to have. These are really cool.
Travis Wright: These are coming really good. So here's, here's how I
Travis Wright: got it set up here. It's called So basically one
Travis Wright: of the it's the invention of Ethereum cryptocurrency. The five
Travis Wright: co-founders created Ethereum to be Bitcoin. That's what this is
Travis Wright: what I was tons of. I typed in extraordinarily imaginative
Travis Wright: volumetric lighting, 32 k post-processing, spectacular ambient lights, cinematic atmosphere,
Travis Wright: insanely detailed and intricate cinematic lighting, ultra photo realistic octane
Travis Wright: render unreal engine five render cryengine a.k.a hyper realism hyper realistic,
Travis Wright: hyper detailed and dreamy version four of MIT Journey. So
Travis Wright: this thing is coming together looking really awesome. This is spectacular.
Travis Wright: So what we got right now, it's like this box
Travis Wright: that has money in it that's just this very it's
Travis Wright: like this a theory and box that is it's I
Travis Wright: don't even know how to describe it. It's really bad
Travis Wright: ass looking lol.
Joel Comm: It's going to be great. And this, this episode, we're
Joel Comm: not doing a video version because when we were with Anthony,
Joel Comm: we didn't record video, so there's no video to go
Joel Comm: with this audio only, but we are going to do
Joel Comm: the fan show also here this coming week while Travis
Joel Comm: is super grumpy. So if you have not yet called
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Joel Comm: This is your last chance to get in on it. So.
Joel Comm: So please, please do that and get on the.
Travis Wright: Well I'm only really grumpy on like day two between
Travis Wright: day two and day three. There comes a point like
Travis Wright: once you pass the 72 hours that you don't even
Travis Wright: think about it anymore and you're not even hungry because
Travis Wright: then your body goes in the super cleansing mode. Because
Travis Wright: once you get all of the food out of your
Travis Wright: digestive system and then all the glucose out of your bloodstream,
Travis Wright: your body starts burning fat primarily as fuel. And once
Travis Wright: your body gets into that mode, you're not even hungry.
Travis Wright: So the trick is, is to drink lots of water
Travis Wright: that has a little bit of sea salt and a
Travis Wright: little bit of you have a little bit of potassium,
Travis Wright: a little bit of magnesium. I have this magnesium sprayer
Travis Wright: that I'll spray on my body so I won't have
Travis Wright: any magnesium. What I've learned is if you don't have
Travis Wright: those electrolytes in your system does that by day three,
Travis Wright: you're going to get the rods even though you're not
Travis Wright: eating anything. But if you have those electrolytes in your system,
Travis Wright: you don't have that problem at all.
Joel Comm: It's the bad fasting podcasts with your host. KITO Right.
Travis Wright: Joey Back in Quito.
Joel Comm: Joey Baggett, Kito We'll catch you guys in the next episode.
Joel Comm: Thanks again for being part of the Republic of Bad Cryptopia.
Joel Comm: We appreciate you guys. So stay back.
Travis Wright: The group. Who's bad?
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Joel Comm: professional financial advisor. Hey. Hey. What's with this? All this
Joel Comm: artificial intelligence here? Yeah. What? What is. What's going on here? Wait, wait, wait.
Joel Comm: You got to be so fake.
Travis Wright: I got to tell you this. You could use some
Travis Wright: intelligence for fleece if you got some artificial intelligence. Joli,
Travis Wright: you'll always have some that.
Joel Comm: It's my. It's actually my name. I'm Art Arthur. Oh,
Joel Comm: official art official. That's. That's what they call me here
Joel Comm: in Brooklyn.
Travis Wright: That's not what they call you at all. They call
Travis Wright: you douche bag a donut. So what they call you always?
Travis Wright: I know. Because I'm the one who says it to you.