1 00:00:00,270 --> 00:00:03,030 Joel Comm: When we mentioned the word Etherium, Who do you think 2 00:00:03,029 --> 00:00:07,380 Joel Comm: of first? Most would default to Vitalik Buterin while he 3 00:00:07,380 --> 00:00:10,979 Joel Comm: is the most active member from the original squad of creators. 4 00:00:11,220 --> 00:00:14,010 Joel Comm: Many people don't know that he was not acting alone. 5 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:18,030 Joel Comm: Gavin Wood, Charles Hoskinson and Anthony Diorio were among the 6 00:00:18,030 --> 00:00:22,290 Joel Comm: group of co-founders for what's now the second biggest cryptocurrency 7 00:00:22,290 --> 00:00:25,140 Joel Comm: by market cap. We had the opportunity to visit with 8 00:00:25,140 --> 00:00:28,710 Joel Comm: Anthony at Puerto Rico Blockchain Week and were amazed at 9 00:00:28,710 --> 00:00:31,590 Joel Comm: his passion and depth of knowledge. We think you'll be 10 00:00:31,590 --> 00:00:35,520 Joel Comm: amazed too, on this Vitalik ain't the only game in town. 11 00:00:35,610 --> 00:00:41,170 Joel Comm: Episode number 658. Of the Bad Crypto podcast. 12 00:00:41,210 --> 00:00:43,620 UU: Five, four, three. 13 00:00:44,430 --> 00:00:50,529 UU: How are all those workers whose bad? 14 00:01:10,660 --> 00:01:13,540 Joel Comm: Hey, how you doing? Joel Berger, donuts here at the 15 00:01:13,540 --> 00:01:17,020 Joel Comm: big crypto podcast about to bring about a boom. What's up, Travis? 16 00:01:17,550 --> 00:01:20,290 Travis Wright: I just go back over there. That's nice. Joey, How 17 00:01:20,290 --> 00:01:20,830 Travis Wright: you doin? 18 00:01:21,020 --> 00:01:23,080 Joel Comm: That make you, Travis? Mega donuts. 19 00:01:23,350 --> 00:01:28,570 Travis Wright: I got you. Travis. Travis. Back in dominance. You, Joey. Travis, 20 00:01:28,569 --> 00:01:31,270 Travis Wright: Welcome to the banquet. Crypto punk gas is so bad, 21 00:01:31,450 --> 00:01:32,800 Travis Wright: It's worse than when. 22 00:01:32,810 --> 00:01:36,130 Joel Comm: We're bringing a bag of Ethereum today. Talking with one of 23 00:01:36,130 --> 00:01:40,300 Joel Comm: the founders of the the the original. The way the, 24 00:01:40,330 --> 00:01:42,819 Joel Comm: you know, said way back. Way back. A theorem goes 25 00:01:42,819 --> 00:01:45,490 Joel Comm: all the way back to, what, 2015? Yeah. 26 00:01:46,090 --> 00:01:48,220 Travis Wright: I mean, there's a 40 something like that way back 27 00:01:48,220 --> 00:01:48,940 Travis Wright: in the day. Yeah. 28 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:52,690 Joel Comm: All right. Now we're moving to the Upper West Side 29 00:01:52,690 --> 00:01:57,280 Joel Comm: and going to upscale our New York accent a little bit. Yeah. 30 00:01:57,290 --> 00:01:58,270 Joel Comm: So it was. 31 00:01:58,270 --> 00:02:01,690 Travis Wright: This is a Joseph container of donuts. 32 00:02:04,330 --> 00:02:08,049 Joel Comm: We didn't know that Anthony Di Iorio was going to be 33 00:02:08,050 --> 00:02:11,590 Joel Comm: at Coinagenda, where you and I had the privilege of speaking. 34 00:02:11,590 --> 00:02:15,250 Joel Comm: That's Michael Turpin's event as part of part of Puerto 35 00:02:15,250 --> 00:02:18,790 Joel Comm: Rico Blockchain Week. And what a, you know, surprise and 36 00:02:18,790 --> 00:02:21,100 Joel Comm: a pleasure to have an opportunity to talk to him. 37 00:02:21,940 --> 00:02:25,000 Travis Wright: It was I mean, this was a real treat. And, 38 00:02:25,450 --> 00:02:28,149 Travis Wright: you know, in this interview right here, he talks about 39 00:02:28,150 --> 00:02:31,959 Travis Wright: the future, the past, the present, what he's working on, 40 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,620 Travis Wright: the focus on, knows he's doing some really, really cool stuff. 41 00:02:35,860 --> 00:02:39,790 Travis Wright: And here's a guy who saw Bitcoin really early and 42 00:02:39,790 --> 00:02:45,250 Travis Wright: actually was the first money in Ethereum. So I mean, 43 00:02:45,610 --> 00:02:47,829 Travis Wright: he might have he might have been the most successful 44 00:02:47,830 --> 00:02:51,010 Travis Wright: person we've ever sat down with face to face. Well, 45 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:54,040 Travis Wright: very happy with that, with Vitalik. But I mean, if 46 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,100 Travis Wright: this guy was the one who put the first money in, 47 00:02:56,110 --> 00:02:58,900 Travis Wright: he probably got a little bit more than Vitalik did, 48 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:00,919 Travis Wright: unless they split it all up equally. I don't I 49 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:01,330 Travis Wright: don't know. 50 00:03:02,139 --> 00:03:04,240 Joel Comm: We sat with Vitalik, but it wasn't really face to 51 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,370 Joel Comm: face because he doesn't like looking at people right in 52 00:03:06,370 --> 00:03:07,810 Joel Comm: the eye. He's kind of, you know. 53 00:03:08,350 --> 00:03:10,780 Travis Wright: But as we mentioned this when we did make him 54 00:03:10,780 --> 00:03:13,750 Travis Wright: chuckle a couple of times and almost smirk, it was 55 00:03:13,750 --> 00:03:16,480 Travis Wright: like this more like a side hustle that kind of 56 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,630 Travis Wright: went up on that counts and that counts as a chuckle. 57 00:03:19,870 --> 00:03:22,419 Joel Comm: I'll have half a smirk with a side of chortle. 58 00:03:24,010 --> 00:03:26,860 Joel Comm: So also, Salat Travis is going to be creating an 59 00:03:26,860 --> 00:03:30,520 Joel Comm: NFT for this. We'll tell you all about it after 60 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:40,260 Joel Comm: our conversation with Anthony Di Iorio. And we are at Coinagenda 61 00:03:40,260 --> 00:03:43,590 Joel Comm: Michael Turpin's event and privilege to meet one of the 62 00:03:43,590 --> 00:03:49,650 Joel Comm: co-founders of Ethereum Anthony Di Iorio. Good, sir. Welcome to Bed Crypto. 63 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:50,520 Anthony Di Iorio: Thanks for having me on. 64 00:03:50,820 --> 00:03:57,270 Joel Comm: Yeah, man. So we interviewed Vitalik what it was ETH Denver, 2020. Yeah. 65 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,150 Joel Comm: And he's he's cool kid and, you know, met his 66 00:04:00,150 --> 00:04:03,420 Joel Comm: dad and had him on the show and got we 67 00:04:03,420 --> 00:04:04,050 Joel Comm: made him laugh. 68 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:04,980 Travis Wright: We did twice. 69 00:04:05,020 --> 00:04:06,030 Anthony Di Iorio: Meet your Vitalik. 70 00:04:06,270 --> 00:04:06,930 Travis Wright: It was bizarre. 71 00:04:06,990 --> 00:04:08,010 Joel Comm: We made Vitalik laugh. 72 00:04:08,190 --> 00:04:09,570 Travis Wright: Yeah. Yeah. It's impressive, huh? 73 00:04:09,990 --> 00:04:13,440 Anthony Di Iorio: Yeah. He's hard to get chuckles out of it. 74 00:04:13,620 --> 00:04:15,690 Travis Wright: Chuckles and a smirk. A slight smirk. It was like. 75 00:04:16,380 --> 00:04:18,870 Joel Comm: Yeah, maybe a two. Maybe just shy of a chortle. 76 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:20,969 Anthony Di Iorio: At chortle, almost. 77 00:04:21,270 --> 00:04:24,390 Joel Comm: But you, on the other hand, you know, your jovial 78 00:04:24,390 --> 00:04:31,529 Joel Comm: guy and your name is not the first one that 79 00:04:31,529 --> 00:04:34,110 Joel Comm: comes up when we talk about Ethereum . He's kind 80 00:04:34,110 --> 00:04:35,790 Joel Comm: of become the poster child. 81 00:04:35,790 --> 00:04:39,210 Anthony Di Iorio: And he definitely is and has been and deservedly so, 82 00:04:39,210 --> 00:04:39,570 Anthony Di Iorio: I think. 83 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,599 Joel Comm: Okay, So so tell us, what did what did you 84 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:46,020 Joel Comm: bring to the equation that he couldn't bring? You know, 85 00:04:46,020 --> 00:04:47,730 Joel Comm: how is this dynamic duo? 86 00:04:48,310 --> 00:04:52,110 Anthony Di Iorio: So I met Vitalik in 2012. I just heard about 87 00:04:52,110 --> 00:04:56,510 Anthony Di Iorio: Bitcoin in the summer of 2012. And after months of 88 00:04:56,580 --> 00:05:00,240 Anthony Di Iorio: not sleeping because of how much I grasped the concept, 89 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:04,289 Anthony Di Iorio: the idea coming off of years of studying economics, coming 90 00:05:04,290 --> 00:05:05,609 Anthony Di Iorio: off of trying to figure out what had happened with 91 00:05:05,610 --> 00:05:08,550 Anthony Di Iorio: the housing crisis and the financial crisis of 2008 2009. 92 00:05:09,390 --> 00:05:12,029 Anthony Di Iorio: Being into computers since I was since the early eighties, 93 00:05:12,029 --> 00:05:13,680 Anthony Di Iorio: I was building computers when I was like seven or 94 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:14,250 Anthony Di Iorio: eight years old. 95 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:15,420 Joel Comm: Nerd. 96 00:05:15,690 --> 00:05:20,280 Anthony Di Iorio: Nerd. Exactly. Following a decentralized tech movement from the early 97 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:25,200 Anthony Di Iorio: 2000s with the Napster's and other decentralized file sharing and 98 00:05:26,070 --> 00:05:29,669 Anthony Di Iorio: things like that, it all kind of culminated in 2012 99 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:33,240 Anthony Di Iorio: with me being an entrepreneur for ten years tech background, 100 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:37,140 Anthony Di Iorio: business background, economics, studying to try to understand what had 101 00:05:37,140 --> 00:05:40,470 Anthony Di Iorio: happened recently over the last few years. It was kind 102 00:05:40,470 --> 00:05:43,170 Anthony Di Iorio: of a perfect storm for me to hear about Bitcoin 103 00:05:43,170 --> 00:05:47,430 Anthony Di Iorio: and dive in headfirst. And I looked for a community 104 00:05:47,430 --> 00:05:49,589 Anthony Di Iorio: in Toronto and there just wasn't anything there. And I said, Well, 105 00:05:49,860 --> 00:05:51,510 Anthony Di Iorio: I learned in the past, if you want to, if 106 00:05:51,510 --> 00:05:53,280 Anthony Di Iorio: there's nothing there, you're excited about it, start the community. 107 00:05:53,290 --> 00:05:56,040 Anthony Di Iorio: So I started the Toronto Bitcoin Meetup Group in 2012 108 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:57,690 Anthony Di Iorio: and he was one of like eight people that came 109 00:05:57,690 --> 00:05:59,730 Anthony Di Iorio: to my first meet up, and that's how I first met. 110 00:05:59,820 --> 00:06:00,810 Joel Comm: And how old was he then? 111 00:06:00,900 --> 00:06:04,830 Anthony Di Iorio: He was 18, 17, 18, I think. And yeah, and, 112 00:06:04,830 --> 00:06:07,529 Anthony Di Iorio: and Peter Todd showed up as well. He was there 113 00:06:07,529 --> 00:06:10,560 Anthony Di Iorio: and Dino, Marc and a few other people that, that 114 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,980 Anthony Di Iorio: then became my first connections in the space. And over 115 00:06:13,980 --> 00:06:17,489 Anthony Di Iorio: the next year, Vitalik had dropped out of university. He 116 00:06:17,490 --> 00:06:19,440 Anthony Di Iorio: was traveling around the world and I would meet him 117 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:22,050 Anthony Di Iorio: in different conferences that I was representing kind of Canada, 118 00:06:22,050 --> 00:06:24,150 Anthony Di Iorio: because I'd started a nonprofit in Canada called the Bitcoin 119 00:06:24,150 --> 00:06:26,400 Anthony Di Iorio: Alliance of Canada. After doing the Toronto thing. 120 00:06:26,550 --> 00:06:27,870 Travis Wright: I'm not even heard one, eh? 121 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:30,630 Joel Comm: Yeah. Wouldn't it be the Bitcoin Alliance? Eh? 122 00:06:31,020 --> 00:06:33,300 Anthony Di Iorio: Well, I try to remove filler words from the conversations. 123 00:06:33,300 --> 00:06:34,440 Anthony Di Iorio: They don't add much value. That's what. 124 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:35,490 Joel Comm: That's what I try. 125 00:06:35,490 --> 00:06:35,880 Anthony Di Iorio: To do that. 126 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:36,480 Joel Comm: Travis. 127 00:06:36,990 --> 00:06:42,390 Anthony Di Iorio: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I over the next year he 128 00:06:42,390 --> 00:06:44,250 Anthony Di Iorio: was writing a lot for Bitcoin magazine. He was doing 129 00:06:44,250 --> 00:06:46,410 Anthony Di Iorio: stories on what I was doing in Canada, trying to 130 00:06:46,710 --> 00:06:50,220 Anthony Di Iorio: bring people together there and kind of work with media 131 00:06:50,220 --> 00:06:52,799 Anthony Di Iorio: and work with government to showcase how this is a 132 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,799 Anthony Di Iorio: possibility and opportunity for Canadians to take hold of something 133 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:57,000 Anthony Di Iorio: that I think would be really it was going to 134 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,850 Anthony Di Iorio: be really big and bigger than the Internet, and we 135 00:06:59,850 --> 00:07:02,489 Anthony Di Iorio: built a good relationship over that next year. I was 136 00:07:02,490 --> 00:07:04,830 Anthony Di Iorio: building wallets at the time, this was early 2013. I 137 00:07:04,830 --> 00:07:08,550 Anthony Di Iorio: started a company called Crypto Kit and which eventually became Jack's, 138 00:07:08,550 --> 00:07:11,430 Anthony Di Iorio: which is what I run right now as a non-custodial wallet. 139 00:07:11,910 --> 00:07:16,350 Anthony Di Iorio: And through that year of getting to know him, understanding 140 00:07:16,650 --> 00:07:18,150 Anthony Di Iorio: was he was getting to be a better writer, writing 141 00:07:18,150 --> 00:07:21,930 Anthony Di Iorio: for Bitcoin magazine and really evolving and going project to 142 00:07:21,930 --> 00:07:24,810 Anthony Di Iorio: project throughout the world and understanding where the limitations were. 143 00:07:24,810 --> 00:07:26,670 Anthony Di Iorio: And that's where he kind of put it all together 144 00:07:26,670 --> 00:07:28,350 Anthony Di Iorio: and came up with this white paper that he showed 145 00:07:28,350 --> 00:07:32,580 Anthony Di Iorio: me in end of October, I think it was end 146 00:07:32,580 --> 00:07:36,090 Anthony Di Iorio: of October and November 2013. He was the first I 147 00:07:36,090 --> 00:07:37,410 Anthony Di Iorio: was the first person to show the white paper to. 148 00:07:38,460 --> 00:07:41,429 Anthony Di Iorio: I then proceeded to kind of validate what he was 149 00:07:41,430 --> 00:07:43,830 Anthony Di Iorio: doing by showing it to Charles Hoskinson, who I'd gone 150 00:07:43,830 --> 00:07:45,300 Anthony Di Iorio: to know because he was doing some work for the 151 00:07:45,300 --> 00:07:48,510 Anthony Di Iorio: Bitcoin Foundation on the educational side and me doing what 152 00:07:48,510 --> 00:07:50,480 Anthony Di Iorio: I was doing in Canada, him doing that, we'd connected, 153 00:07:51,060 --> 00:07:54,240 Anthony Di Iorio: I showed him the paper, connected him with italic and 154 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,930 Anthony Di Iorio: three of us, along with Mihai Alexei, who was a 155 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:00,900 Anthony Di Iorio: 46 partner of Bitcoin magazine, and and Mihai Asiri and 156 00:08:00,900 --> 00:08:03,960 Anthony Di Iorio: Amir Chhetri, another gentleman who had worked on colored coins 157 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:05,970 Anthony Di Iorio: and was one of the initial people there. The five 158 00:08:05,970 --> 00:08:08,820 Anthony Di Iorio: of us became the initial team. And because I was 159 00:08:08,820 --> 00:08:12,180 Anthony Di Iorio: in Toronto and setting up a physical location called Bitcoin Decentral, 160 00:08:12,690 --> 00:08:15,690 Anthony Di Iorio: which was a place where I could start hosting my 161 00:08:15,690 --> 00:08:18,090 Anthony Di Iorio: meet ups in a place that I ran instead of 162 00:08:18,090 --> 00:08:20,070 Anthony Di Iorio: doing it at restaurants and bars and things like that. 163 00:08:20,550 --> 00:08:24,450 Anthony Di Iorio: So at my place, Bitcoin Central became the first offices 164 00:08:24,450 --> 00:08:27,960 Anthony Di Iorio: of of a theory and the exit that I had 165 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:32,220 Anthony Di Iorio: in Bitcoin in early 2013 became the funding mechanism which 166 00:08:32,220 --> 00:08:34,770 Anthony Di Iorio: I brought to the table, which was leading up to 167 00:08:34,770 --> 00:08:38,080 Anthony Di Iorio: the Crowdsale. Many months later I. Provided the funding to 168 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:41,050 Anthony Di Iorio: keep it internal, not have to go out to VCs, 169 00:08:41,590 --> 00:08:43,630 Anthony Di Iorio: make sure that we were doing things, borrowed money from 170 00:08:43,630 --> 00:08:45,189 Anthony Di Iorio: my dad to keep to keep it going when the 171 00:08:45,190 --> 00:08:48,340 Anthony Di Iorio: prices kind of tanked and Bitcoin Joe Lubin came in 172 00:08:48,340 --> 00:08:51,339 Anthony Di Iorio: after that and actually contributed more funding leading up for 173 00:08:51,340 --> 00:08:51,640 Anthony Di Iorio: the crowd. 174 00:08:51,730 --> 00:08:54,790 Travis Wright: So the crowd sounds like a nickel, right, or something? 175 00:08:55,030 --> 00:08:56,710 Anthony Di Iorio: Well, it was about $0.27, I think is what it 176 00:08:56,710 --> 00:08:59,589 Anthony Di Iorio: was initially. It was it was 120 ether for one 177 00:08:59,590 --> 00:09:02,890 Anthony Di Iorio: Bitcoin was the the thing and and the thing that 178 00:09:02,890 --> 00:09:05,110 Anthony Di Iorio: when I brought in Charles brought in Joe brought in 179 00:09:05,110 --> 00:09:08,020 Anthony Di Iorio: Amir brought four of the initial eight founders because we 180 00:09:08,020 --> 00:09:11,469 Anthony Di Iorio: expanded from 5 to 8 adding Joseph Lubin adding Gavin 181 00:09:11,470 --> 00:09:16,840 Anthony Di Iorio: Wood and adding Jeffrey Wilkie was the you know we 182 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:18,580 Anthony Di Iorio: weren't the developers. We were the more of the how 183 00:09:18,580 --> 00:09:19,959 Anthony Di Iorio: do we do this right to make sure that it's 184 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,630 Anthony Di Iorio: done in a way that we can raise this capital 185 00:09:22,630 --> 00:09:24,400 Anthony Di Iorio: from as many people around the world as possible that 186 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:26,199 Anthony Di Iorio: want to participate but not have to be concerned about 187 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,210 Anthony Di Iorio: it being a security offering in the in the US. 188 00:09:28,210 --> 00:09:29,770 Anthony Di Iorio: And that's what we spent a lot of time figuring 189 00:09:29,770 --> 00:09:31,930 Anthony Di Iorio: out and getting off the ground so that it could 190 00:09:31,929 --> 00:09:33,729 Anthony Di Iorio: be handed over to the developers to take it from there. 191 00:09:33,730 --> 00:09:36,280 Anthony Di Iorio: And that's kind of where you saw the the exodus 192 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,820 Anthony Di Iorio: of of those people that did the initial set up, 193 00:09:39,820 --> 00:09:42,400 Anthony Di Iorio: making sure things were done properly. And then Joe went 194 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:46,989 Anthony Di Iorio: into consensus. Charles Amir were out and they ended up 195 00:09:46,990 --> 00:09:49,870 Anthony Di Iorio: doing their things. I went and continue to build wallets 196 00:09:49,870 --> 00:09:51,609 Anthony Di Iorio: for the space, which is what I wanted to do, 197 00:09:51,610 --> 00:09:54,010 Anthony Di Iorio: including a theory in wallets and Bitcoin wallets and all that. 198 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,280 Anthony Di Iorio: But that was my contribution, was a lot of the structure, 199 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,010 Anthony Di Iorio: the initial funding, the planning to make sure that what 200 00:10:00,010 --> 00:10:02,920 Anthony Di Iorio: we did wouldn't have any consequences down the road because 201 00:10:03,550 --> 00:10:05,679 Anthony Di Iorio: if we had gone the full on developer the way 202 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:07,599 Anthony Di Iorio: they wanted to do things, we would have done the 203 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:11,530 Anthony Di Iorio: crowdsale right the beginning and we probably wouldn't be, um, 204 00:10:11,710 --> 00:10:14,410 Anthony Di Iorio: it wouldn't be a situation where Ethereum would be where 205 00:10:14,410 --> 00:10:16,000 Anthony Di Iorio: it is right now. You maybe would have ended up 206 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,069 Anthony Di Iorio: more of a ripple situation or something else. So we 207 00:10:18,070 --> 00:10:19,570 Anthony Di Iorio: had to do things properly and we offered a lot 208 00:10:19,570 --> 00:10:21,100 Anthony Di Iorio: of the guidance to make sure that it got done 209 00:10:21,100 --> 00:10:21,730 Anthony Di Iorio: right initially. 210 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:24,550 Travis Wright: So what would you how would you recommend now to 211 00:10:24,550 --> 00:10:26,890 Travis Wright: someone who is coming in the space and saying, wow, 212 00:10:27,309 --> 00:10:30,010 Travis Wright: you know, we got these security offerings? How do you 213 00:10:30,010 --> 00:10:31,479 Travis Wright: stay out of those? Some of those? Right. Because it 214 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:35,099 Travis Wright: was a totally different beast back in 2014, 13, 15, Right. 215 00:10:35,110 --> 00:10:38,020 Travis Wright: When you guys were launching, you guys were launching Ethereum. 216 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:39,460 Travis Wright: And now a lot of people are trying to do 217 00:10:39,460 --> 00:10:42,309 Travis Wright: stuff and they go, Well, how is it not a security? 218 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,430 Travis Wright: Some cryptos are saying the you know, the the agencies, 219 00:10:45,429 --> 00:10:48,939 Travis Wright: as is every crypto is a security except maybe Bitcoin, Right? 220 00:10:49,210 --> 00:10:51,760 Travis Wright: Maybe even more so now, since Ethereum is a proof 221 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,429 Travis Wright: of stake more than than before. So what maybe what 222 00:10:54,429 --> 00:10:56,109 Travis Wright: advice would you give people who are like who are 223 00:10:56,110 --> 00:10:58,900 Travis Wright: thinking about launching a coin? Because you guys did this 224 00:10:58,900 --> 00:11:01,960 Travis Wright: in a very solid way to make sure that you 225 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,599 Travis Wright: guys protected yourself and protected the assets of what you 226 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:05,230 Travis Wright: guys were building? 227 00:11:05,380 --> 00:11:07,120 Anthony Di Iorio: I think it's well, coming up with a project and 228 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:08,800 Anthony Di Iorio: what you want to accomplish first and then if it's 229 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:11,050 Anthony Di Iorio: COIN figures out on how the token economics could actually 230 00:11:11,050 --> 00:11:12,949 Anthony Di Iorio: be something that's going to be really bringing that utility 231 00:11:12,950 --> 00:11:15,010 Anthony Di Iorio: to the plate. And it makes sense. And it actually 232 00:11:15,010 --> 00:11:19,630 Anthony Di Iorio: is done in a structure that, you know, isn't looked 233 00:11:19,630 --> 00:11:22,300 Anthony Di Iorio: as something as any type of investment. Right. And I 234 00:11:22,300 --> 00:11:24,340 Anthony Di Iorio: can tell you what I'm doing right now, which is 235 00:11:24,340 --> 00:11:27,720 Anthony Di Iorio: I'm doing a similar model to what we did with 236 00:11:27,730 --> 00:11:30,520 Anthony Di Iorio: a theorem, but I'm actually selling hardware now and I'm 237 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:34,420 Anthony Di Iorio: selling product. The theorem was a product. We at the 238 00:11:34,420 --> 00:11:36,280 Anthony Di Iorio: end of the day, the structure that we put together 239 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:40,120 Anthony Di Iorio: was it was a necessity to fuel a smart contract platform. 240 00:11:40,570 --> 00:11:44,410 Anthony Di Iorio: It was a it was needed. It was never envisioned 241 00:11:44,410 --> 00:11:47,410 Anthony Di Iorio: as an investment. It was a product that we sold 242 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:51,490 Anthony Di Iorio: in a pre-sale purchase to those that wanted to participate. 243 00:11:51,820 --> 00:11:54,189 Anthony Di Iorio: And a year later, the technology came forward. So you 244 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:55,660 Anthony Di Iorio: got to make sure that the tech comes forward to 245 00:11:55,670 --> 00:11:57,040 Anthony Di Iorio: make sure that it's ready to go and make sure 246 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,740 Anthony Di Iorio: that it's not something that's as an aside to what 247 00:11:59,740 --> 00:12:01,630 Anthony Di Iorio: it is you're doing, and I think that's why we 248 00:12:01,630 --> 00:12:03,610 Anthony Di Iorio: kind of put it all together properly in a way 249 00:12:03,610 --> 00:12:05,980 Anthony Di Iorio: that if you were to do it the same way, 250 00:12:05,980 --> 00:12:09,520 Anthony Di Iorio: I'm not sure would still be the acceptable because we 251 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:12,370 Anthony Di Iorio: were in fact taking Bitcoin saying, We're going to give 252 00:12:12,370 --> 00:12:15,910 Anthony Di Iorio: you ether here. But the ether was something that is 253 00:12:15,910 --> 00:12:19,750 Anthony Di Iorio: is required on the platform which we did build and 254 00:12:19,750 --> 00:12:21,700 Anthony Di Iorio: put out to the world. And I think that's why 255 00:12:21,700 --> 00:12:25,210 Anthony Di Iorio: it's it's it's not been looked at in that fashion. 256 00:12:25,210 --> 00:12:27,609 Anthony Di Iorio: And we had to make sure that what you're phrasing is, 257 00:12:27,610 --> 00:12:29,470 Anthony Di Iorio: is this is a product, this is not an investment. 258 00:12:29,470 --> 00:12:31,030 Anthony Di Iorio: We're not selling you anything. It has a return on it. 259 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:33,730 Anthony Di Iorio: So if you can match together a number of different 260 00:12:33,730 --> 00:12:38,170 Anthony Di Iorio: things that you're selling product, you're selling something physical, you 261 00:12:38,170 --> 00:12:41,949 Anthony Di Iorio: don't even talk about the price of this or focus 262 00:12:41,950 --> 00:12:43,660 Anthony Di Iorio: on getting on exchanges things. Are there a lot of 263 00:12:43,660 --> 00:12:47,439 Anthony Di Iorio: things you can do to to to negate the the 264 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,500 Anthony Di Iorio: the things that may look like it's it's something that's 265 00:12:50,500 --> 00:12:52,719 Anthony Di Iorio: more of an investment for people and it comes down 266 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:54,700 Anthony Di Iorio: to utility and it comes down to the structures and 267 00:12:54,700 --> 00:12:58,630 Anthony Di Iorio: it comes down to what you're you're promising and what 268 00:12:58,630 --> 00:13:01,210 Anthony Di Iorio: you're doing, even the terminology you're using for things like that, 269 00:13:01,210 --> 00:13:02,949 Anthony Di Iorio: that I think is a safer way to do things. 270 00:13:03,220 --> 00:13:07,060 Joel Comm: Did you ever imagine that, you know, you knew you're 271 00:13:07,059 --> 00:13:09,550 Joel Comm: creating a platform for smart contracts, but did you ever 272 00:13:09,550 --> 00:13:14,050 Joel Comm: envision this whole Nonfungible token niche that would rise out 273 00:13:14,050 --> 00:13:18,070 Joel Comm: of this API? There's going to be you forget just 274 00:13:18,070 --> 00:13:20,530 Joel Comm: the basics of, Hey, we're going to put art on 275 00:13:20,530 --> 00:13:27,370 Joel Comm: the blockchain board. Apes Cryptopunks this whole cycle that just happened, 276 00:13:27,370 --> 00:13:28,569 Joel Comm: that was insane. 277 00:13:30,059 --> 00:13:34,260 Anthony Di Iorio: The things like I mean, there's there's a number of 278 00:13:34,260 --> 00:13:36,840 Anthony Di Iorio: things that emerge because of a theorem, including Nfts and 279 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:41,640 Anthony Di Iorio: including Daos Dao specifically, which is to me going to 280 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:43,140 Anthony Di Iorio: be one of the and it continues to be a 281 00:13:43,140 --> 00:13:46,140 Anthony Di Iorio: really hot item moving forward. There was a big battle 282 00:13:46,140 --> 00:13:48,750 Anthony Di Iorio: to not turn ourselves into a DAO back in 2014. 283 00:13:48,780 --> 00:13:50,250 Anthony Di Iorio: There were members of the team that wanted us to 284 00:13:50,250 --> 00:13:53,430 Anthony Di Iorio: be a DAO right off the bat and we always 285 00:13:53,429 --> 00:13:55,200 Anthony Di Iorio: equated it to people that didn't want to do that 286 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:58,590 Anthony Di Iorio: was Imagine Satoshi doing smart contracts with Bitcoin is just 287 00:13:58,590 --> 00:14:01,320 Anthony Di Iorio: not ready for that. Let's focus on one thing. So yes, 288 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:03,570 Anthony Di Iorio: we did think about NFT, we did think about Daos, 289 00:14:03,570 --> 00:14:05,400 Anthony Di Iorio: we did think about all these things. Now, not necessarily 290 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:08,640 Anthony Di Iorio: whether we're going to go to this extreme, but we 291 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:10,830 Anthony Di Iorio: talked about that stuff. We talked about how if we 292 00:14:10,830 --> 00:14:14,160 Anthony Di Iorio: could decentralize our whole organization in a fashion that doesn't 293 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,230 Anthony Di Iorio: have a jurisdiction, doesn't have this and that, that we 294 00:14:16,230 --> 00:14:19,350 Anthony Di Iorio: could maybe do something, but that would have been a disaster. 295 00:14:19,350 --> 00:14:20,700 Anthony Di Iorio: I think these things, a lot of them are not 296 00:14:20,700 --> 00:14:23,400 Anthony Di Iorio: primetime ready to do and you got to go sequentially. 297 00:14:23,700 --> 00:14:26,550 Anthony Di Iorio: So I think these things will provide like a lot 298 00:14:26,550 --> 00:14:29,070 Anthony Di Iorio: of them are not providing much value, I think, right now. 299 00:14:29,070 --> 00:14:31,229 Anthony Di Iorio: And there's a lot of learning lessons that need to 300 00:14:31,230 --> 00:14:34,110 Anthony Di Iorio: be figured out over the next few years with everything 301 00:14:34,110 --> 00:14:37,830 Anthony Di Iorio: from from NetEase the defi to all these things. But 302 00:14:37,890 --> 00:14:39,660 Anthony Di Iorio: yeah you just we talked about you. 303 00:14:39,660 --> 00:14:42,300 Joel Comm: And you talked about in Gavin. Yeah in Charles and 304 00:14:42,300 --> 00:14:45,270 Joel Comm: Vitalik you're all hanging out and going so imagine what 305 00:14:45,270 --> 00:14:47,640 Joel Comm: people can do with this one day they're going to 306 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:49,560 Joel Comm: make these cats and people are going to be able 307 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:52,170 Joel Comm: to breed these cats. Cats are going to have sex 308 00:14:52,170 --> 00:14:55,770 Joel Comm: and they're going to make more cats as nfts like that. 309 00:14:55,770 --> 00:14:56,340 Joel Comm: That's not. 310 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:58,710 Anthony Di Iorio: Well, our mind wasn't on that type of thing or. 311 00:14:58,770 --> 00:14:59,280 Joel Comm: No, you're. 312 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:01,020 Anthony Di Iorio: And how can we exist at all? What we had 313 00:15:01,020 --> 00:15:03,480 Anthony Di Iorio: to have that sophistication. And I think that was really 314 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:08,340 Anthony Di Iorio: the contributions that maybe a lot in the Ethereum ecosystem 315 00:15:08,340 --> 00:15:10,740 Anthony Di Iorio: which turned very developer focus, which I think is a 316 00:15:10,740 --> 00:15:12,630 Anthony Di Iorio: really positive thing, and I think that's the direction it 317 00:15:12,630 --> 00:15:14,790 Anthony Di Iorio: needed to go. But it did need a lot of 318 00:15:14,790 --> 00:15:18,960 Anthony Di Iorio: the preparation and the the knowledge and understanding of the 319 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,900 Anthony Di Iorio: way things worked and worked then and need to work 320 00:15:21,900 --> 00:15:23,550 Anthony Di Iorio: in order to get to the end game of what 321 00:15:23,550 --> 00:15:26,430 Anthony Di Iorio: you want. So our focus was really on how do 322 00:15:26,430 --> 00:15:27,420 Anthony Di Iorio: we do this in a way that we're going to 323 00:15:27,420 --> 00:15:28,420 Anthony Di Iorio: stay out of jail, How do we do it in 324 00:15:28,420 --> 00:15:29,520 Anthony Di Iorio: the way that's going to get it out there? How 325 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:31,290 Anthony Di Iorio: do we create as many stakeholders as possible what we're 326 00:15:31,290 --> 00:15:33,150 Anthony Di Iorio: doing that we're not limited to, what we can't do 327 00:15:33,150 --> 00:15:34,920 Anthony Di Iorio: it in the US because we're doing this kind of thing. 328 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:37,170 Anthony Di Iorio: So we put that formula together and I think it 329 00:15:37,170 --> 00:15:37,739 Anthony Di Iorio: worked really well. 330 00:15:38,670 --> 00:15:41,820 Travis Wright: It's fascinating when you think about you said, you know, 331 00:15:41,820 --> 00:15:44,490 Travis Wright: one Bitcoin would get you 2000 ether and that was 332 00:15:44,490 --> 00:15:47,160 Travis Wright: your product at the point, right? That was because these 333 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:50,220 Travis Wright: tokens are going to be built and used in our ecosystem. 334 00:15:50,220 --> 00:15:52,410 Anthony Di Iorio: Have them in your wallet when we set up, your 335 00:15:52,410 --> 00:15:54,750 Anthony Di Iorio: wallet will be filled with what you bought. And then 336 00:15:54,750 --> 00:15:56,700 Anthony Di Iorio: these are going to be useful for when you want 337 00:15:56,700 --> 00:15:59,100 Anthony Di Iorio: to be able to execute on the platform, to use 338 00:15:59,100 --> 00:16:02,430 Anthony Di Iorio: the services and and use the resources that people are 339 00:16:02,430 --> 00:16:05,250 Anthony Di Iorio: putting in so that you can execute your contracts and 340 00:16:05,250 --> 00:16:05,700 Anthony Di Iorio: your code. 341 00:16:05,970 --> 00:16:07,770 Travis Wright: Is worded so perfectly. I mean, that's a such a 342 00:16:07,770 --> 00:16:11,520 Travis Wright: smart thing. So when you're talking about smart contracts, like what? 343 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,130 Travis Wright: How do you define that? Because we're kind of looking 344 00:16:14,130 --> 00:16:17,580 Travis Wright: at things like, you know, with with crypto and smart contracts, 345 00:16:17,580 --> 00:16:20,729 Travis Wright: that's programmable money, It's programmable. You can do all kinds 346 00:16:20,730 --> 00:16:23,310 Travis Wright: of if this then that like there's so much more. 347 00:16:23,310 --> 00:16:26,190 Anthony Di Iorio: Smart endless possibilities beyond finance is what I kind of 348 00:16:26,190 --> 00:16:28,320 Anthony Di Iorio: saw it with that is that Bitcoin was the be 349 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:29,610 Anthony Di Iorio: all and end all at the time. That's what I 350 00:16:29,610 --> 00:16:32,280 Anthony Di Iorio: got into it for. And then the realization that this 351 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,130 Anthony Di Iorio: can spread beyond finance because a lot of the financial 352 00:16:35,130 --> 00:16:36,840 Anthony Di Iorio: stuff that even was trying to be done on Bitcoin 353 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:39,510 Anthony Di Iorio: couldn't be done. And that's where it needed something like 354 00:16:39,530 --> 00:16:42,090 Anthony Di Iorio: an executable smart contract layer in order to go on there, 355 00:16:42,090 --> 00:16:43,470 Anthony Di Iorio: in order to to carry that stuff out. But then 356 00:16:43,470 --> 00:16:47,640 Anthony Di Iorio: you start thinking legal contracts, you start thinking the sports betting, 357 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:49,620 Anthony Di Iorio: you start all these other elements like, Wow, this is 358 00:16:49,620 --> 00:16:51,780 Anthony Di Iorio: not just finance. This is going to be impactful for 359 00:16:51,780 --> 00:16:54,750 Anthony Di Iorio: any type of removal of third party non value added 360 00:16:54,750 --> 00:16:57,630 Anthony Di Iorio: participation in the in the equation that can just be 361 00:16:57,630 --> 00:17:00,480 Anthony Di Iorio: put into code. And that's why it's impactful in so 362 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:01,350 Anthony Di Iorio: many different sectors. 363 00:17:03,620 --> 00:17:08,359 Joel Comm: So there's definitely concern in some circles about Etherium going 364 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:12,709 Joel Comm: to proof of stake that there are certain corporate interests 365 00:17:12,710 --> 00:17:19,310 Joel Comm: or government interests that could somehow have 51% and thus 366 00:17:19,310 --> 00:17:22,690 Joel Comm: be able to take over the chain and sensor the chain. 367 00:17:22,700 --> 00:17:26,240 Joel Comm: And I mean, we're kind of we're seeing some things 368 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:30,649 Joel Comm: happening that are definitely anti privacy. For example, Metamask announcing 369 00:17:30,650 --> 00:17:32,970 Joel Comm: that they're going to be tracking IPRs. 370 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:36,830 Anthony Di Iorio: In Furia because they use Metamask using for in Fury. 371 00:17:36,950 --> 00:17:40,580 Joel Comm: Right. So, you know, what are your thoughts? Is it 372 00:17:40,580 --> 00:17:47,240 Joel Comm: possible that Ethereum could fall to forces that would seek 373 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:48,980 Joel Comm: to control the stake? 374 00:17:49,730 --> 00:17:52,340 Anthony Di Iorio: I think that the promise to go to proof of 375 00:17:52,340 --> 00:17:54,770 Anthony Di Iorio: stake was from day one. That was always the promise. 376 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:57,169 Anthony Di Iorio: The difficulty of all that was put in place in 377 00:17:57,170 --> 00:18:00,290 Anthony Di Iorio: order to to ensure that miners knew that eventually that 378 00:18:00,290 --> 00:18:02,600 Anthony Di Iorio: would happen. Was there from day one, even though it's 379 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:07,130 Anthony Di Iorio: been passed along and it's had not actually, it's been pushed, 380 00:18:07,130 --> 00:18:09,920 Anthony Di Iorio: pushed along year after year to not go off. And 381 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:11,540 Anthony Di Iorio: the difficulty by for those who don't know it was 382 00:18:11,540 --> 00:18:15,680 Anthony Di Iorio: that there was a there was a because the goal 383 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:17,060 Anthony Di Iorio: was always to go to proof of stake when it 384 00:18:17,060 --> 00:18:21,080 Anthony Di Iorio: was ready. There was a bomb put into the code 385 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,479 Anthony Di Iorio: that would explode and make it so difficult to mine 386 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:29,210 Anthony Di Iorio: using traditional assets I'm sorry, using traditional GPUs that it 387 00:18:29,210 --> 00:18:31,520 Anthony Di Iorio: would be like prepare for the next thing. Don't think 388 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:32,900 Anthony Di Iorio: that you're going to be able to do this forever. 389 00:18:33,230 --> 00:18:35,900 Anthony Di Iorio: And that was from day one. So then when it's ready, 390 00:18:35,900 --> 00:18:37,820 Anthony Di Iorio: which was many, many, many years later, they made the 391 00:18:37,820 --> 00:18:40,010 Anthony Di Iorio: decision that it's ready to go to proof of stake. 392 00:18:40,490 --> 00:18:43,190 Anthony Di Iorio: But now, could it be argued there's a more centralization 393 00:18:43,190 --> 00:18:46,310 Anthony Di Iorio: that's happening now because many of the exchanges and entities 394 00:18:46,310 --> 00:18:50,720 Anthony Di Iorio: like Leto have so much control. It's actually is I 395 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,960 Anthony Di Iorio: don't think, A, there are challenges and there are risks. 396 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:55,609 Anthony Di Iorio: And I'm not sure how it's going to work out. 397 00:18:56,060 --> 00:18:58,100 Anthony Di Iorio: But I do think there's more centralization that has been 398 00:18:58,100 --> 00:19:01,340 Anthony Di Iorio: that has happened due to it. But there's tradeoffs with everything. 399 00:19:01,340 --> 00:19:03,500 Anthony Di Iorio: And I'm not a by any means a device of 400 00:19:03,710 --> 00:19:06,260 Anthony Di Iorio: one black and white person. There's some things in the 401 00:19:06,260 --> 00:19:09,649 Anthony Di Iorio: middle and there's tradeoffs maybe that were figured out that 60% 402 00:19:10,220 --> 00:19:12,230 Anthony Di Iorio: would be good to do this and 40% not that good. 403 00:19:12,230 --> 00:19:14,060 Anthony Di Iorio: And and that's just how things work. And one of 404 00:19:14,060 --> 00:19:16,040 Anthony Di Iorio: the biggest learning lessons in my life was that things 405 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:19,790 Anthony Di Iorio: are gray. So it's not it's bad proof of stake 406 00:19:19,790 --> 00:19:21,950 Anthony Di Iorio: and proof of work is good. There's going to be 407 00:19:21,950 --> 00:19:24,320 Anthony Di Iorio: trade offs of everything that is done, and it's about 408 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,119 Anthony Di Iorio: trying to pick something that's going to going to work 409 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:28,670 Anthony Di Iorio: and maybe it won't work. And we're going to see 410 00:19:28,790 --> 00:19:30,109 Anthony Di Iorio: that everything's experimental. 411 00:19:30,109 --> 00:19:33,020 Travis Wright: Everything is fascinating to us. We've had people talking about 412 00:19:33,020 --> 00:19:36,470 Travis Wright: this coming in and going, well, you know that whatever 413 00:19:36,470 --> 00:19:41,540 Travis Wright: the number is, 41% of the Ethereum staked nodes are 414 00:19:41,540 --> 00:19:43,550 Travis Wright: in the United States and out of the United States, 415 00:19:43,550 --> 00:19:46,070 Travis Wright: things that they have jurisdiction over it, because they have 416 00:19:46,070 --> 00:19:49,010 Travis Wright: the largest percentage of the nodes are in the U.S. 417 00:19:49,369 --> 00:19:51,680 Travis Wright: So then the SEC wants maybe wants to come in 418 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,320 Travis Wright: and be like, hey, we're or that was one thing 419 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,020 Travis Wright: that kind of freaked me out once. I thought like, Oh, 420 00:19:56,030 --> 00:19:58,190 Travis Wright: wait a second. Well, well, well, if that's the case, 421 00:19:58,190 --> 00:20:01,700 Travis Wright: then that could create some that could create some challenges. So, 422 00:20:02,030 --> 00:20:06,770 Travis Wright: you know, by having X amount of those nodes in 423 00:20:06,770 --> 00:20:10,100 Travis Wright: a certain country, is there some mechanism in there to 424 00:20:10,100 --> 00:20:13,760 Travis Wright: kind of control against that So that way? No, no 425 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:18,379 Travis Wright: country is the the biggest holder of the power there. 426 00:20:18,410 --> 00:20:22,100 Anthony Di Iorio: Yeah, I think the I mean, the decentralization of nodes 427 00:20:22,100 --> 00:20:25,070 Anthony Di Iorio: is something that's my main focus. That's what my project 428 00:20:25,070 --> 00:20:27,500 Anthony Di Iorio: that I'm that I've announced and is going through the 429 00:20:27,500 --> 00:20:30,590 Anthony Di Iorio: waitlist right now and is about how do we decentralized 430 00:20:30,590 --> 00:20:33,379 Anthony Di Iorio: node infrastructure because there's a big centralization that is happening 431 00:20:33,380 --> 00:20:35,870 Anthony Di Iorio: into entities like we mentioned in FINRA that has run 432 00:20:35,869 --> 00:20:40,580 Anthony Di Iorio: on things like NWC and that is antithetical to to 433 00:20:40,580 --> 00:20:45,889 Anthony Di Iorio: what the system should be alchemy in for these these 434 00:20:45,890 --> 00:20:50,960 Anthony Di Iorio: these cloud service providers that are are corralling developers into 435 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:54,980 Anthony Di Iorio: their systems is now putting infrastructure onto these centralized systems. 436 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,109 Anthony Di Iorio: And I think everybody needs to be their own node. 437 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,359 Anthony Di Iorio: That's my, my thinking. I think that there's been a 438 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,060 Anthony Di Iorio: reduction of nodes and it needs to be increased and 439 00:21:02,060 --> 00:21:04,970 Anthony Di Iorio: it comes down to building hardware that you can run 440 00:21:04,970 --> 00:21:06,910 Anthony Di Iorio: your own node, which is what I'm building right now. 441 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,080 Anthony Di Iorio: And what my project is, is, is how do we 442 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,929 Anthony Di Iorio: decentralize node infrastructure? Because it's not meant to be in 443 00:21:11,930 --> 00:21:14,869 Anthony Di Iorio: the hands of Web two models, which are cloud service 444 00:21:14,869 --> 00:21:17,660 Anthony Di Iorio: providers that have so much control right now. So if 445 00:21:18,020 --> 00:21:20,340 Anthony Di Iorio: the amount of nodes were increased and very simplified so 446 00:21:20,340 --> 00:21:22,340 Anthony Di Iorio: that anybody can be their own node, you're going to 447 00:21:22,340 --> 00:21:25,700 Anthony Di Iorio: see that decentralization happening globally and not being restricted to 448 00:21:26,619 --> 00:21:28,550 Anthony Di Iorio: like it is in the US right now in other places. 449 00:21:28,550 --> 00:21:30,199 Anthony Di Iorio: So that is a big problem I see in the 450 00:21:30,210 --> 00:21:32,720 Anthony Di Iorio: space is that there is a centralization of infrastructure happening 451 00:21:33,170 --> 00:21:36,530 Anthony Di Iorio: and how do we ensure that all these technologies are 452 00:21:36,530 --> 00:21:40,459 Anthony Di Iorio: more decentralized and it's incentivized to run your own node 453 00:21:40,670 --> 00:21:42,860 Anthony Di Iorio: rather than just build on someone else's nodes right now, 454 00:21:42,859 --> 00:21:43,760 Anthony Di Iorio: which is happening right now. 455 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:46,280 Travis Wright: And so you need to have 30 to Ethereum right 456 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,379 Travis Wright: now to to stake, to create your own node. Is 457 00:21:48,380 --> 00:21:52,160 Travis Wright: that ever going to maybe over time change to 16 458 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:53,179 Travis Wright: or eight or. 459 00:21:53,330 --> 00:21:54,950 Anthony Di Iorio: I'm not sure what they're planning to do. I can't 460 00:21:54,950 --> 00:21:57,560 Anthony Di Iorio: speak to that in terms of changing that. It is 461 00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,149 Anthony Di Iorio: a lot. It's a big amount. 462 00:22:00,170 --> 00:22:04,020 Joel Comm: So you're not currently involved that your bill. Like. Like 463 00:22:04,020 --> 00:22:05,760 Joel Comm: the others. You've kind of moved on. 464 00:22:05,790 --> 00:22:08,729 Anthony Di Iorio: Yeah. Vitalik is the only one really that is involved with. 465 00:22:08,730 --> 00:22:13,290 Anthony Di Iorio: With the the organization. I mean, Joel builds strictly for Ethereum. 466 00:22:13,290 --> 00:22:16,520 Anthony Di Iorio: I think they've now got into Polygon, maybe within Fiora, but, 467 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,470 Anthony Di Iorio: but Joe has always been full on Ethereum but more 468 00:22:19,470 --> 00:22:21,990 Anthony Di Iorio: on his on the business side of things with with 469 00:22:22,410 --> 00:22:24,600 Anthony Di Iorio: not involved in the foundation of italics the only one 470 00:22:24,820 --> 00:22:26,729 Anthony Di Iorio: of the team that is still involved there but I 471 00:22:26,730 --> 00:22:29,580 Anthony Di Iorio: still build Ethereum infrastructure. I build a theory and wallets 472 00:22:29,580 --> 00:22:31,830 Anthony Di Iorio: as I do with Bitcoin and Litecoin and Dogecoin and 473 00:22:31,830 --> 00:22:34,200 Anthony Di Iorio: Polygon and Avalanche, all Cardano and all these other ones. 474 00:22:34,530 --> 00:22:38,130 Anthony Di Iorio: I've taken more of a industry perspective on this and 475 00:22:38,130 --> 00:22:41,010 Anthony Di Iorio: try to support the infrastructure needs of all of them 476 00:22:41,010 --> 00:22:43,679 Anthony Di Iorio: to make it simpler for their communities to thrive and 477 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:44,699 Anthony Di Iorio: have what they need to build. 478 00:22:45,300 --> 00:22:47,190 Joel Comm: You don't strike me as a guy who would talk 479 00:22:47,190 --> 00:22:48,170 Joel Comm: shit about others. 480 00:22:48,180 --> 00:22:50,129 Anthony Di Iorio: So no, I don't. I don't like to talk badly 481 00:22:50,130 --> 00:22:52,020 Anthony Di Iorio: about any other project. I think with a theory. And 482 00:22:52,020 --> 00:22:55,830 Anthony Di Iorio: we always had that that ethos which was let everybody 483 00:22:55,830 --> 00:22:57,239 Anthony Di Iorio: else do what they want to do and we're going 484 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,969 Anthony Di Iorio: to focus on putting out good stuff. So focus on ourselves. 485 00:22:59,970 --> 00:23:03,480 Joel Comm: So let's, let's look at positives then, because you've got 486 00:23:03,660 --> 00:23:07,050 Joel Comm: two founding members, Charles and Gavin, that have gone on 487 00:23:07,050 --> 00:23:10,709 Joel Comm: to build Cardano and Polkadot respectively. What do you like 488 00:23:10,710 --> 00:23:12,120 Joel Comm: about each of those? 489 00:23:15,060 --> 00:23:17,399 Anthony Di Iorio: I when I pick to see what we're going to 490 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,740 Anthony Di Iorio: work with, I look to see how the communities are. 491 00:23:19,740 --> 00:23:22,290 Anthony Di Iorio: I look to see who's behind it. Some of them 492 00:23:22,290 --> 00:23:23,609 Anthony Di Iorio: I don't know. A lot of the people like we 493 00:23:23,609 --> 00:23:28,530 Anthony Di Iorio: build Tron Infrastructure, we build Avalanche, Polygon, we build Crypto.com, 494 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,139 Anthony Di Iorio: even Binance Smart Chain. We built infrastructure for all of them. 495 00:23:31,470 --> 00:23:33,600 Anthony Di Iorio: I don't necessarily know that nor the guys very well, 496 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,899 Anthony Di Iorio: I know, but what I specifically like about Cardano and 497 00:23:36,900 --> 00:23:42,179 Anthony Di Iorio: Paul and and Polkadot is I know Charles and I 498 00:23:42,180 --> 00:23:47,850 Anthony Di Iorio: know Gavin. There's things that I may like about them 499 00:23:47,850 --> 00:23:49,770 Anthony Di Iorio: and the projects, but it doesn't necessarily, you know, I 500 00:23:49,770 --> 00:23:51,840 Anthony Di Iorio: like everything about, about those things. But what I do 501 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,000 Anthony Di Iorio: know is they have a big following. They're really smart people, 502 00:23:54,450 --> 00:23:59,700 Anthony Di Iorio: very hardworking people. And my knowledge of them and what 503 00:23:59,700 --> 00:24:01,470 Anthony Di Iorio: they've been able to put together doesn't mean I think 504 00:24:01,470 --> 00:24:03,360 Anthony Di Iorio: it's going to work. It means that these are all 505 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,270 Anthony Di Iorio: experiments that the winners, the best ones that are providing 506 00:24:06,270 --> 00:24:09,180 Anthony Di Iorio: the most amount of utility and value in solving problems 507 00:24:09,180 --> 00:24:12,540 Anthony Di Iorio: will do the best. So I don't say that they 508 00:24:12,540 --> 00:24:14,340 Anthony Di Iorio: will win or that they're going to be the best, 509 00:24:14,340 --> 00:24:16,380 Anthony Di Iorio: but they have an alternative way of looking at things, 510 00:24:16,859 --> 00:24:18,720 Anthony Di Iorio: and maybe that's going to provide some value to the 511 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,060 Anthony Di Iorio: ecosystem as a whole. And it's all these little pieces 512 00:24:21,060 --> 00:24:22,889 Anthony Di Iorio: that come together from all these different projects that are 513 00:24:22,890 --> 00:24:25,500 Anthony Di Iorio: going to hopefully create a formula that's going to create 514 00:24:25,500 --> 00:24:28,229 Anthony Di Iorio: something that's going to be a higher echelon, that's going 515 00:24:28,230 --> 00:24:31,110 Anthony Di Iorio: to provide more value to people. So I'm a let's 516 00:24:31,260 --> 00:24:34,560 Anthony Di Iorio: let's support everything that we that I think has an 517 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,859 Anthony Di Iorio: opportunity to create value. They may fail. I don't think 518 00:24:37,859 --> 00:24:39,570 Anthony Di Iorio: it looks bad on me if I'm supporting something that 519 00:24:39,570 --> 00:24:42,420 Anthony Di Iorio: eventually fails. I'm not saying that that that you should 520 00:24:42,420 --> 00:24:44,550 Anthony Di Iorio: use them. I'm not saying I'm saying there's a big 521 00:24:44,550 --> 00:24:47,219 Anthony Di Iorio: enough community that we're going to provide infrastructure that that 522 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,580 Anthony Di Iorio: will help them to hopefully achieve their goals. So I 523 00:24:50,580 --> 00:24:52,620 Anthony Di Iorio: try not to take a divisive view on anything like 524 00:24:52,619 --> 00:24:55,710 Anthony Di Iorio: that and try to help an entire ecosystem and and 525 00:24:55,710 --> 00:24:57,570 Anthony Di Iorio: be collaborative as much as possible, because I think the 526 00:24:57,570 --> 00:24:59,639 Anthony Di Iorio: more you can collaborate, the more friends you're going to 527 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:04,770 Anthony Di Iorio: have unless you're fighting. So I'll support and navigate being 528 00:25:04,770 --> 00:25:07,050 Anthony Di Iorio: supportive of Bitcoin and being supportive of Ethereum and be supportive of 529 00:25:07,050 --> 00:25:09,210 Anthony Di Iorio: Cardano being supportive for Polkadot and being supportive these other 530 00:25:09,210 --> 00:25:11,850 Anthony Di Iorio: ones and delicately do that in a way that I 531 00:25:11,850 --> 00:25:13,830 Anthony Di Iorio: think is going to showcase that we're here to help 532 00:25:13,830 --> 00:25:15,960 Anthony Di Iorio: everybody succeed. We're here to create allies with as many 533 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,540 Anthony Di Iorio: people as possible, and you'll never get 100% of the 534 00:25:18,540 --> 00:25:20,550 Anthony Di Iorio: people that you're actually you know, you're going to make 535 00:25:20,550 --> 00:25:23,280 Anthony Di Iorio: that that those Bitcoin maximalists potentially that are just not 536 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,790 Anthony Di Iorio: going to because you're doing this, we're not Well, I'm 537 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:27,030 Anthony Di Iorio: gonna do my best. I still feel that I can 538 00:25:27,030 --> 00:25:28,469 Anthony Di Iorio: provide value to you. At the end of the day, 539 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,540 Anthony Di Iorio: if I can get 95% of the people thinking what 540 00:25:30,540 --> 00:25:32,280 Anthony Di Iorio: we're doing is helping to move things along, I think 541 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:33,030 Anthony Di Iorio: that's a pretty good one. 542 00:25:33,030 --> 00:25:34,230 Joel Comm: It's a big crypto tent. 543 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,679 Travis Wright: It is, and it certainly is. So I don't know 544 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,780 Travis Wright: if he knows or not, but we all three have 545 00:25:39,780 --> 00:25:43,860 Travis Wright: something in common. We're Joel in college was a deejay. 546 00:25:43,859 --> 00:25:46,440 Travis Wright: My first job was as a DJ at a radio 547 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,950 Travis Wright: station with that old school, like eight. Like the commercials 548 00:25:49,950 --> 00:25:52,740 Travis Wright: for all those people park their cars, cartridges, man, I 549 00:25:52,740 --> 00:25:54,480 Travis Wright: got a photo of me doing that. And so you 550 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,790 Travis Wright: were you were also on as well. So let's go 551 00:25:56,790 --> 00:26:02,100 Travis Wright: back to that era of Anthony and like and what 552 00:26:02,100 --> 00:26:04,020 Travis Wright: kind of music stuff were you working on back in 553 00:26:04,020 --> 00:26:04,320 Travis Wright: the day? 554 00:26:04,350 --> 00:26:08,220 Anthony Di Iorio: Well, this was in the early 2000s. And when I 555 00:26:08,220 --> 00:26:10,320 Anthony Di Iorio: first got into electronic music was kind of a big 556 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,590 Anthony Di Iorio: shift for me from alternative rock, which was most of 557 00:26:13,590 --> 00:26:16,920 Anthony Di Iorio: my life in the nineties, was the alternative rock scene 558 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:21,570 Anthony Di Iorio: and the Pearl Jam, Nirvana, a lot of Canadian alternative rock. 559 00:26:21,570 --> 00:26:24,690 Anthony Di Iorio: And then it was about 2000, I think, when I 560 00:26:24,690 --> 00:26:27,930 Anthony Di Iorio: first started getting electronic music. And that was a whole 561 00:26:27,930 --> 00:26:31,780 Anthony Di Iorio: different realm that that I was introduced to that I enjoyed. 562 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:36,149 Anthony Di Iorio: And in the early 2000s I was in initially through 563 00:26:36,150 --> 00:26:40,770 Anthony Di Iorio: through through jungle Drum and bass was my initial first foray. 564 00:26:40,770 --> 00:26:43,170 Anthony Di Iorio: And then it started getting into house and trance and 565 00:26:43,950 --> 00:26:50,010 Anthony Di Iorio: tribal and the different kind of drum oriented music and 566 00:26:50,010 --> 00:26:52,020 Anthony Di Iorio: melodies of trance and stuff like that. So this was 567 00:26:52,020 --> 00:26:53,010 Anthony Di Iorio: early 2000s, and. 568 00:26:53,430 --> 00:26:54,719 Travis Wright: I still love that kind of music. 569 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,879 Anthony Di Iorio: Yeah. And I was producing down there and oh, I 570 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,220 Anthony Di Iorio: do too. I write down from the chill out stuff, 571 00:26:59,220 --> 00:27:00,869 Anthony Di Iorio: which I listen to quite a bit of. Yeah. 572 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,100 Travis Wright: Right. Yeah. Chill lo fi. Really good stuff. 573 00:27:04,250 --> 00:27:06,570 Joel Comm: Just I just. I don't like when it's just the 574 00:27:06,570 --> 00:27:07,889 Joel Comm: beat is off by. 575 00:27:07,950 --> 00:27:09,900 Anthony Di Iorio: Just drives me nuts, right? 576 00:27:09,930 --> 00:27:13,430 Joel Comm: Just. Just a 16th or even less or a bad 32nd. 577 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,720 Anthony Di Iorio: Something that that that just it just you hear as 578 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,570 Anthony Di Iorio: a as someone that that you know you're you're, you're 579 00:27:18,570 --> 00:27:21,270 Anthony Di Iorio: automated in your beat matching and beat mixing and you're 580 00:27:21,270 --> 00:27:23,879 Anthony Di Iorio: counting 32 is for everything and this is intentional or 581 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,780 Anthony Di Iorio: something that yes when it's intentional that's that's I don't 582 00:27:27,780 --> 00:27:30,330 Anthony Di Iorio: mind it wasn't intentional. I do mind it when something 583 00:27:30,330 --> 00:27:33,480 Anthony Di Iorio: is just off and they don't know that they're actually off, 584 00:27:33,930 --> 00:27:36,000 Anthony Di Iorio: that's when it's like it's a little bit weird for me. 585 00:27:36,540 --> 00:27:37,320 Travis Wright: You've been to Ibiza. 586 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:38,810 Anthony Di Iorio: I have a number of times. 587 00:27:38,820 --> 00:27:39,929 Travis Wright: Isn't it amazing? 588 00:27:40,170 --> 00:27:42,600 Anthony Di Iorio: I haven't been for a for a number of years. 589 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:46,169 Anthony Di Iorio: I do enjoy Visa. I do enjoy the European party 590 00:27:46,170 --> 00:27:50,640 Anthony Di Iorio: vibe scene. Um, I love Canada. Toronto was kind of 591 00:27:50,940 --> 00:27:54,420 Anthony Di Iorio: a place called Government in Toronto was like the leading 592 00:27:54,420 --> 00:27:58,350 Anthony Di Iorio: North America club for for a number of years and 593 00:27:58,350 --> 00:28:02,070 Anthony Di Iorio: was there quite frequently and uh, doing New Year's parties 594 00:28:02,070 --> 00:28:04,410 Anthony Di Iorio: at these other places. And, and some of my favorite 595 00:28:04,410 --> 00:28:06,510 Anthony Di Iorio: deejays are out of Spain, tribal deejays. 596 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,880 Travis Wright: Um, there was a while for me, man, to see 597 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,010 Travis Wright: that when you're looking at, when you go into one 598 00:28:11,010 --> 00:28:14,129 Travis Wright: of these venues like in Ibiza and there's like so 599 00:28:14,130 --> 00:28:16,290 Travis Wright: many thousands of people in this fucking place and you're 600 00:28:16,290 --> 00:28:19,200 Travis Wright: looking around going like, Oh my God. And there's like, huge. 601 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:24,300 Travis Wright: It's no longer just music, it's music, audio, visual. Just 602 00:28:24,300 --> 00:28:24,780 Travis Wright: it's just the. 603 00:28:24,910 --> 00:28:25,830 Anthony Di Iorio: Globally for. 604 00:28:25,830 --> 00:28:26,520 Travis Wright: Unbelievable. 605 00:28:26,810 --> 00:28:30,540 Anthony Di Iorio: A a trio called Above and Beyond their age a 606 00:28:30,540 --> 00:28:33,149 Anthony Di Iorio: trance act that just the Bank of California stadium for 607 00:28:33,150 --> 00:28:35,850 Anthony Di Iorio: their 500th event and they had like 50,000 people there 608 00:28:35,850 --> 00:28:38,130 Anthony Di Iorio: and we Flo flew in just to go to that 609 00:28:38,130 --> 00:28:41,610 Anthony Di Iorio: a few weeks ago. And the energy, the positivity, the 610 00:28:41,610 --> 00:28:43,680 Anthony Di Iorio: love that these guys put forward in their music and 611 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,890 Anthony Di Iorio: the audience and the crowds and people with signs like 612 00:28:45,900 --> 00:28:48,600 Anthony Di Iorio: Above and Beyond Change My Life and just the positivity 613 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,970 Anthony Di Iorio: is something that I've taken from this and that I really, 614 00:28:50,970 --> 00:28:54,239 Anthony Di Iorio: you know, respect with music and creating user experiences. It's 615 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,360 Anthony Di Iorio: all about creating mindblowing experiences for people where they walk 616 00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,160 Anthony Di Iorio: a go and they go, What did I just experience there? 617 00:28:59,430 --> 00:29:01,680 Anthony Di Iorio: That's what I think is, is, is experiential and how 618 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:02,940 Anthony Di Iorio: do you do those things, which is great. 619 00:29:03,060 --> 00:29:03,990 Joel Comm: It's, it's Ibiza. 620 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:06,060 Travis Wright: This to be thinking. 621 00:29:06,060 --> 00:29:08,280 Joel Comm: Well, if offended. 622 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:08,640 Travis Wright: You. 623 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,460 Joel Comm: Offended off with your head. 624 00:29:10,530 --> 00:29:11,550 Travis Wright: Off with him like that. 625 00:29:12,090 --> 00:29:15,150 Joel Comm: So. Best Canadian rock band ever. 626 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:16,800 Anthony Di Iorio: I Mother Earth. 627 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:18,290 Joel Comm: Which one? 628 00:29:18,300 --> 00:29:19,140 Anthony Di Iorio: I Mother Earth. 629 00:29:19,140 --> 00:29:21,820 Joel Comm: I Mother Earth. Yeah, I'm there right there. 630 00:29:21,820 --> 00:29:23,400 Anthony Di Iorio: I grew up with them in the not in the nineties. 631 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,320 Anthony Di Iorio: I've been to so many shows they're dear friends of 632 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,800 Anthony Di Iorio: mine now and just me, my brother, he used to 633 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,080 Anthony Di Iorio: go quite frequently and I just really enjoyed their music. 634 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:35,440 Anthony Di Iorio: Kind of like Santana. A lot of guitars just, yeah, 635 00:29:35,460 --> 00:29:35,820 Anthony Di Iorio: check them out. 636 00:29:35,820 --> 00:29:38,100 Travis Wright: Sometimes that's the correct answer. According to him, the correct 637 00:29:38,100 --> 00:29:38,970 Travis Wright: answer is probably Rush. 638 00:29:38,970 --> 00:29:40,350 Anthony Di Iorio: Rush is great to rush. 639 00:29:40,350 --> 00:29:41,250 Joel Comm: That is the correct answer. 640 00:29:41,250 --> 00:29:42,560 Travis Wright: This is the correct answer. It is. 641 00:29:42,630 --> 00:29:44,330 Anthony Di Iorio: Sorry, that sounds very binary to me. 642 00:29:44,460 --> 00:29:44,920 Joel Comm: That's okay. 643 00:29:45,150 --> 00:29:47,010 Anthony Di Iorio: That sounds very binary, very divisive. 644 00:29:47,460 --> 00:29:51,630 Joel Comm: Very divisive. I was actually opening up Spotify right now 645 00:29:51,630 --> 00:29:54,209 Joel Comm: to look for I'm Mother Earth. If you say that they're. Yeah, 646 00:29:54,270 --> 00:29:56,370 Joel Comm: they're worthy of okay, one more. 647 00:29:56,700 --> 00:29:58,890 Anthony Di Iorio: In fact they had with one of their shows they 648 00:29:58,890 --> 00:30:01,170 Anthony Di Iorio: did have Geddy Lee came up you know, Alex Lifeson 649 00:30:01,170 --> 00:30:03,840 Anthony Di Iorio: I think was, was uh, came and did some, some 650 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,910 Anthony Di Iorio: songs with them for that. So and they used to 651 00:30:05,910 --> 00:30:07,410 Anthony Di Iorio: do some, some rush covers and stuff too. 652 00:30:07,410 --> 00:30:12,270 Joel Comm: But Mother Earth 82,000 monthly listeners and I will listen 653 00:30:12,270 --> 00:30:13,200 Joel Comm: to them first. 654 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:17,460 Anthony Di Iorio: Computer IBM, PC Junior 83 Wow. 655 00:30:17,670 --> 00:30:20,580 Joel Comm: So I had mine was a tiara 80 model one 656 00:30:20,580 --> 00:30:21,750 Joel Comm: in 1980. 657 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:23,010 Anthony Di Iorio: That was before me. 658 00:30:23,010 --> 00:30:24,500 Joel Comm: I'm really dating myself, but I. 659 00:30:24,540 --> 00:30:26,460 Anthony Di Iorio: Well, you must be older than I am. 660 00:30:26,460 --> 00:30:28,560 Joel Comm: I can't code my way out of a paper bag, though. 661 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,810 Joel Comm: Never could. I was just a user. I just I 662 00:30:30,810 --> 00:30:32,550 Joel Comm: There are something about my mom says, What do you 663 00:30:32,550 --> 00:30:35,490 Joel Comm: need a computer for? Of course, now she understands. Now 664 00:30:35,490 --> 00:30:38,310 Joel Comm: she has her own, you know, popular website and YouTube channel. 665 00:30:38,310 --> 00:30:38,820 Anthony Di Iorio: With a phone. 666 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,150 Joel Comm: Yeah, and a phone. And right. Though it's amazing to 667 00:30:42,150 --> 00:30:44,550 Joel Comm: me as I hold this iPhone, this is a ten 668 00:30:45,270 --> 00:30:49,050 Joel Comm: and I there there's no compelling reason to upgrade to 669 00:30:49,050 --> 00:30:51,390 Joel Comm: new phones as far as I'm concerned because Apple's not 670 00:30:51,390 --> 00:30:52,680 Joel Comm: done anything innovative. 671 00:30:53,130 --> 00:30:54,930 Anthony Di Iorio: Since these that maybe they try to slow it down 672 00:30:54,930 --> 00:30:56,610 Anthony Di Iorio: all the time so that they force you into it. 673 00:30:56,850 --> 00:30:57,120 Travis Wright: Right? 674 00:30:57,300 --> 00:31:00,870 Joel Comm: Yeah, they make it right. But it just blows my 675 00:31:00,870 --> 00:31:03,540 Joel Comm: mind that this computer that we hold on our hands 676 00:31:03,540 --> 00:31:06,150 Joel Comm: is more powerful than what they used to fill a 677 00:31:06,150 --> 00:31:09,900 Joel Comm: whole building with these computers, with the real spinning cards. 678 00:31:09,900 --> 00:31:11,700 Anthony Di Iorio: First thing I started working with at camps that I 679 00:31:11,700 --> 00:31:13,040 Anthony Di Iorio: used to go to even before I had a computer, 680 00:31:13,050 --> 00:31:15,780 Anthony Di Iorio: was literally these punch cards and these big mainframes and COBOL. 681 00:31:15,900 --> 00:31:17,010 Joel Comm: Yeah, Fortran. 682 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:17,440 Anthony Di Iorio: Yeah. 683 00:31:17,550 --> 00:31:18,660 Joel Comm: Oh, shoot me. Now. 684 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:23,610 Travis Wright: While I was watching this show on, on Gaia television, 685 00:31:23,730 --> 00:31:25,530 Travis Wright: which is like it's, it's like a streaming, but it's 686 00:31:25,530 --> 00:31:28,770 Travis Wright: like the spiritual stuff. And this dude, Robert Edward Grant, 687 00:31:28,770 --> 00:31:30,750 Travis Wright: was I'm watching this show on it. It's like, it's 688 00:31:30,750 --> 00:31:32,910 Travis Wright: like one of the special series where they have somebody 689 00:31:32,910 --> 00:31:34,500 Travis Wright: fly in and they do a couple of days with 690 00:31:34,500 --> 00:31:39,360 Travis Wright: the guy. This dude dissected the Vitruvian Man and that's 691 00:31:39,370 --> 00:31:42,240 Travis Wright: Leonardo's work. And it basically tied it to the to 692 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,210 Travis Wright: the Great Pyramids. And there's all this data that's hidden 693 00:31:45,210 --> 00:31:48,660 Travis Wright: inside the Vitruvian Man, also Mona Lisa. And then he 694 00:31:48,660 --> 00:31:51,510 Travis Wright: also basically went and said, Yeah, and all music is 695 00:31:51,510 --> 00:31:56,070 Travis Wright: tuned incorrectly. Basically it should be 432 hertz is the 696 00:31:56,130 --> 00:31:58,950 Travis Wright: key number which I've talked about for many years. But 697 00:31:58,970 --> 00:32:00,480 Travis Wright: it validation actually came back. 698 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,970 Joel Comm: Why wasn't it 420 though I mean would that not. 699 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:04,190 Joel Comm: Have major day in your life? 700 00:32:04,190 --> 00:32:05,820 Travis Wright: No, it was your twenties. This is a made up 701 00:32:05,820 --> 00:32:09,060 Travis Wright: number Anyways, before 40 is an intentionally with a vibration. 702 00:32:09,060 --> 00:32:12,030 Travis Wright: The music is off and when it's actually vibrated and 703 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:16,110 Travis Wright: in tune to 432 hertz, the music sounds different. Like 704 00:32:16,110 --> 00:32:18,570 Travis Wright: it literally, it almost feels like you have goosebumps or 705 00:32:18,570 --> 00:32:22,170 Travis Wright: you can feel the music more. It's tied to Fibonacci 706 00:32:22,170 --> 00:32:23,100 Travis Wright: and all this other stuff that. 707 00:32:23,100 --> 00:32:25,070 Joel Comm: Was a joke, you know, understand. 708 00:32:25,770 --> 00:32:26,400 Travis Wright: It's really good. 709 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:27,850 Joel Comm: You like for 2014. 710 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,390 Travis Wright: Is not bad before 32 hertz is actually I'm more 711 00:32:30,390 --> 00:32:32,729 Travis Wright: of a fan of 432. Okay, fair enough. That's not 712 00:32:32,730 --> 00:32:34,590 Travis Wright: even the question. I was just like, you should got 713 00:32:34,590 --> 00:32:35,520 Travis Wright: to watch that dude as. 714 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:40,230 Anthony Di Iorio: I haven't seen it. And I the whole numerology type 715 00:32:40,230 --> 00:32:43,830 Anthony Di Iorio: of thing, I find it hard to know. And if 716 00:32:43,830 --> 00:32:46,520 Anthony Di Iorio: you type, if you double eight at 16 and 16 717 00:32:46,610 --> 00:32:47,640 Anthony Di Iorio: the number of this . 718 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,650 Travis Wright: So some of that stuff's a little wonky, but this 719 00:32:49,650 --> 00:32:52,560 Travis Wright: is called the Divine encryption. And he goes into all 720 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,140 Travis Wright: this deep studies and it was fascinating. Blew my mind. 721 00:32:55,350 --> 00:32:59,340 Travis Wright: I love how how technology it's like it basically it 722 00:32:59,340 --> 00:33:01,830 Travis Wright: all kind of goes down to in a lot of ways. 723 00:33:01,830 --> 00:33:03,840 Travis Wright: And it seems like things are so clear when it 724 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,420 Travis Wright: comes to the math and how far everything is like 725 00:33:06,420 --> 00:33:08,700 Travis Wright: the moon from the earth and the earth from the 726 00:33:08,700 --> 00:33:11,040 Travis Wright: sun and all of those. It's almost like we're in 727 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,850 Travis Wright: some sort of simulation somehow that, you know, God. 728 00:33:14,100 --> 00:33:15,300 Joel Comm: Don't don't tell him. 729 00:33:16,050 --> 00:33:20,270 Travis Wright: You know, tell him about it. Oh, okay. So if 730 00:33:20,460 --> 00:33:22,830 Travis Wright: it's a really good if it's a really good simulation, 731 00:33:22,830 --> 00:33:25,020 Travis Wright: I need to go back to like 2015 and get 732 00:33:25,020 --> 00:33:26,880 Travis Wright: part of that ICO for Ethereum. 733 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:27,730 Joel Comm: Dude, in 27. 734 00:33:27,730 --> 00:33:28,160 Travis Wright: Seconds. 735 00:33:28,170 --> 00:33:29,400 Anthony Di Iorio: I was a 1414. 736 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:29,710 Travis Wright: Right? 737 00:33:29,710 --> 00:33:32,940 Joel Comm: I missed it. We didn't get in really till 2017, 738 00:33:32,940 --> 00:33:36,000 Joel Comm: although Travis did mine Bitcoin back in 2010. 739 00:33:36,210 --> 00:33:36,720 Travis Wright: I did. 740 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:37,450 Joel Comm: An entire. 741 00:33:37,490 --> 00:33:40,230 Travis Wright: Slashdot article. I saw that and I mind that they 742 00:33:40,230 --> 00:33:43,980 Travis Wright: destroyed my computer and we're like our our mutual friend 743 00:33:43,980 --> 00:33:46,709 Travis Wright: Marshall would have been like, Oh dude, here's an opportunity. 744 00:33:46,710 --> 00:33:47,490 Anthony Di Iorio: Marshall Long. 745 00:33:47,700 --> 00:33:50,670 Travis Wright: I'm like, Man, it destroyed my computer. What a piece 746 00:33:50,670 --> 00:33:51,150 Travis Wright: of shit. 747 00:33:51,990 --> 00:33:52,740 Joel Comm: So somewhere I. 748 00:33:52,790 --> 00:33:53,610 Travis Wright: Should probably buy. 749 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:54,940 Anthony Di Iorio: Some or you're talking to. 750 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,720 Joel Comm: Marshall on somewhere in a hard drive in a Kansas 751 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,200 Joel Comm: City dump. Is Travis 50 Bitcoin that. 752 00:34:01,580 --> 00:34:04,500 Anthony Di Iorio: Like not the not, not the famous dump. 753 00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:06,630 Travis Wright: It's a different one. Different one. That guy has a 754 00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:09,060 Travis Wright: thousand bitcoin. No, they only had 55. I went to 755 00:34:09,060 --> 00:34:12,990 Travis Wright: an example. You know, one of the things you go 756 00:34:12,989 --> 00:34:15,060 Travis Wright: there and you get fired was in a faucet or 757 00:34:15,060 --> 00:34:16,200 Travis Wright: the faucet. Yeah. How did. 758 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,090 Anthony Di Iorio: You I know going through this around how did you 759 00:34:18,090 --> 00:34:20,290 Anthony Di Iorio: get into and hear about Bitcoin 2010 or even. 760 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,970 Travis Wright: It was the Slashdot article. Basically I always pay attention 761 00:34:23,969 --> 00:34:26,040 Travis Wright: to Slashdot in the news and I was in Silicon 762 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:27,570 Travis Wright: Valley and stuff and I was like, Wait a second, 763 00:34:27,989 --> 00:34:32,730 Travis Wright: I am really they've never, you know, audited. The Federal 764 00:34:32,730 --> 00:34:35,070 Travis Wright: Reserve Bank for Fiat money to me has always been 765 00:34:35,190 --> 00:34:37,770 Travis Wright: once I realize what Fiat money was back in 2000, 766 00:34:37,770 --> 00:34:40,440 Travis Wright: I was like, wait a second. So that actually was 767 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,330 Travis Wright: a detriment to me because I didn't really invest in 768 00:34:42,330 --> 00:34:44,460 Travis Wright: the stock market much because I thought the stock market's 769 00:34:44,460 --> 00:34:46,110 Travis Wright: all a bunch of bullshit because it's all tied to 770 00:34:46,110 --> 00:34:49,680 Travis Wright: this money. That's PR, that's all BS. And so then 771 00:34:49,770 --> 00:34:53,910 Travis Wright: seeing Bitcoin made sense, but it made sense enough for 772 00:34:53,910 --> 00:34:56,640 Travis Wright: me to mind some and go to some and research it. 773 00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:00,060 Travis Wright: But then when it crashed my computer, I was broken 774 00:35:00,060 --> 00:35:01,380 Travis Wright: off at the time to not be like, Damn, I 775 00:35:01,380 --> 00:35:03,540 Travis Wright: got to get another computer and I didn't even. And 776 00:35:03,540 --> 00:35:06,460 Travis Wright: then the price of Bitcoin that it was, you know, 777 00:35:06,460 --> 00:35:09,120 Travis Wright: so it was just like it almost hooked me. 778 00:35:10,290 --> 00:35:12,149 Anthony Di Iorio: When did you know? When did it hook you? 779 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,520 Travis Wright: It hook Well, I did it again. I got back 780 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,700 Travis Wright: in in 2015. I bought some Bitcoin and then I 781 00:35:18,700 --> 00:35:19,950 Travis Wright: end up not making any money on that because I 782 00:35:19,950 --> 00:35:22,110 Travis Wright: had to sell it because our agency wasn't doing so 783 00:35:22,110 --> 00:35:24,780 Travis Wright: great at the time. And then really when we started 784 00:35:24,780 --> 00:35:29,100 Travis Wright: talking in 2016 to early 20 1716. 785 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,980 Joel Comm: That's because I had heard about it years earlier being 786 00:35:31,980 --> 00:35:36,840 Joel Comm: in technology. But I didn't understand this concept of mining 787 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,360 Joel Comm: bitcoin that did not connect with me. And usually I'm 788 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,670 Joel Comm: right there at the beginning of this new technology. I 789 00:35:41,670 --> 00:35:44,370 Joel Comm: want to know about it. And all I could envision 790 00:35:44,370 --> 00:35:47,390 Joel Comm: was little men with pickaxes inside computers going thinking to 791 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,770 Joel Comm: it because I didn't understand it. Then he starts chat 792 00:35:49,770 --> 00:35:52,799 Joel Comm: me up and talking about, you know, crypto, what I 793 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,510 Joel Comm: think of this. And so I go down the rabbit 794 00:35:54,510 --> 00:35:58,560 Joel Comm: hole and by early 2017 I'm in. And then we 795 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:04,470 Joel Comm: started this podcast shortly thereafter and the rest is unfortunate history. 796 00:36:04,469 --> 00:36:04,770 Joel Comm: Here we. 797 00:36:04,770 --> 00:36:06,060 Anthony Di Iorio: Are. Good for you to keeping it up. 798 00:36:06,330 --> 00:36:07,170 Joel Comm: Yeah, that's what she said. 799 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,569 Travis Wright: Five and a half, five and a half years. And 800 00:36:09,570 --> 00:36:11,850 Travis Wright: we both live here in Puerto Rico now. Yeah. So it's, 801 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:13,940 Travis Wright: it's been, it's been quite a journey, you know. And, 802 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,350 Travis Wright: you know, we've had some of the most amazing people 803 00:36:16,350 --> 00:36:19,200 Travis Wright: on the we just one of our previous guests just 804 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,109 Travis Wright: recently was Edward Griffin, the guy who wrote The Creature 805 00:36:22,110 --> 00:36:25,110 Travis Wright: of Jekyll Island is amazing. Just, you know, thought leaders 806 00:36:25,110 --> 00:36:27,780 Travis Wright: early on in the space saw it. We interviewed Ron 807 00:36:27,780 --> 00:36:29,640 Travis Wright: Paul but when our interview and you bunch of other 808 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,580 Travis Wright: awesome people and it's just been it's just been a 809 00:36:32,580 --> 00:36:35,700 Travis Wright: blessing to to tap in and connect with amazing people 810 00:36:35,700 --> 00:36:38,040 Travis Wright: who are doing great stuff, have great vision and trying 811 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,379 Travis Wright: to make the world a better place. Because, you know, 812 00:36:40,380 --> 00:36:43,649 Travis Wright: I'm I'm of the belief of we got to get 813 00:36:43,650 --> 00:36:45,509 Travis Wright: some of this stuff right because if not, we are 814 00:36:45,510 --> 00:36:50,850 Travis Wright: so tied in to centralization that if centralization could turn 815 00:36:50,910 --> 00:36:55,650 Travis Wright: authoritarianism so easily, even if the wrong knobs are turned, 816 00:36:55,650 --> 00:36:56,080 Travis Wright: it seems. 817 00:36:56,219 --> 00:36:58,799 Anthony Di Iorio: To me leadership and problem solving is two of the 818 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,080 Anthony Di Iorio: sorely lacking things that the world really needs to solve 819 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,350 Anthony Di Iorio: some of the greater problems. And that's that's. To the 820 00:37:03,350 --> 00:37:07,130 Anthony Di Iorio: things that are, um, you know, as you look in 821 00:37:07,130 --> 00:37:09,410 Anthony Di Iorio: to see what is missing in the tools that are 822 00:37:09,410 --> 00:37:11,299 Anthony Di Iorio: needed in order to create the change needed. That I 823 00:37:11,300 --> 00:37:13,009 Anthony Di Iorio: think is what it is, is kind of virtuous leadership 824 00:37:13,010 --> 00:37:15,710 Anthony Di Iorio: and the ability to problem solving solve out of the 825 00:37:15,890 --> 00:37:18,440 Anthony Di Iorio: way things are usually done into new ways of doing things. 826 00:37:18,950 --> 00:37:22,549 Anthony Di Iorio: And that's the role that I think is is crucial 827 00:37:22,550 --> 00:37:24,410 Anthony Di Iorio: to build the next generation of those two things. Leaders 828 00:37:24,410 --> 00:37:24,800 Anthony Di Iorio: and problem. 829 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:25,040 Joel Comm: Solvers. 830 00:37:25,050 --> 00:37:27,200 Travis Wright: Let's focus leadership. Yeah, so let's. 831 00:37:27,590 --> 00:37:30,860 Joel Comm: Let's let's wrap with your final thoughts around this then, 832 00:37:30,860 --> 00:37:36,440 Joel Comm: because there is the fear of cbdcs taking over and 833 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,930 Joel Comm: us becoming like China with the social credit score and 834 00:37:38,930 --> 00:37:41,390 Joel Comm: you can't buy or sell if they don't approve of, 835 00:37:41,390 --> 00:37:43,610 Joel Comm: you know, what you're what you're getting or. 836 00:37:43,610 --> 00:37:44,060 Anthony Di Iorio: Saying. 837 00:37:44,060 --> 00:37:45,620 Joel Comm: What you're saying especially. 838 00:37:45,980 --> 00:37:48,230 Travis Wright: Or if you don't use your money enough, they literally 839 00:37:48,350 --> 00:37:50,870 Travis Wright: program is like, wait a second, is your money quick enough? 840 00:37:50,870 --> 00:37:52,969 Joel Comm: Is Taylor way There goes. But I had. 841 00:37:52,969 --> 00:37:55,069 Travis Wright: No permanently in the middle right? 842 00:37:55,520 --> 00:38:00,350 Joel Comm: So how fearful are you of that and what would 843 00:38:00,350 --> 00:38:06,020 Joel Comm: you say we can do besides obviously having good leaders 844 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,410 Joel Comm: to make sure this doesn't go down that road? 845 00:38:10,010 --> 00:38:12,230 Anthony Di Iorio: I'm I try not to be fearful of things. I 846 00:38:12,230 --> 00:38:13,820 Anthony Di Iorio: don't think it's a good approach to be taking from 847 00:38:13,820 --> 00:38:16,310 Anthony Di Iorio: from the fear basis. I think I am an optimist 848 00:38:16,310 --> 00:38:21,430 Anthony Di Iorio: and I think there's a a duty for. The people 849 00:38:21,430 --> 00:38:23,469 Anthony Di Iorio: that are in our space here that are really, I think, 850 00:38:23,469 --> 00:38:25,419 Anthony Di Iorio: some of the most intelligent people in the world and 851 00:38:25,420 --> 00:38:27,219 Anthony Di Iorio: doing the things that are that are being done in 852 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,790 Anthony Di Iorio: our movements here, movements of freedom, movements of liberty, movements 853 00:38:30,790 --> 00:38:34,960 Anthony Di Iorio: of personal responsibility, movements of, uh, of allowing others to 854 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,310 Anthony Di Iorio: do what they want, but don't impact me in the 855 00:38:36,310 --> 00:38:37,660 Anthony Di Iorio: things that I want to do in the way that 856 00:38:37,660 --> 00:38:40,150 Anthony Di Iorio: I'm doing things. So I think if more of approach 857 00:38:40,150 --> 00:38:42,129 Anthony Di Iorio: of what I can do and I think it's it's 858 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,890 Anthony Di Iorio: I've learned over the years is that what I'm good 859 00:38:44,890 --> 00:38:46,600 Anthony Di Iorio: at is problem solving. And I'm good at hopefully of 860 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,300 Anthony Di Iorio: being a leader that can actually bring people together and 861 00:38:49,300 --> 00:38:51,820 Anthony Di Iorio: create movements of alignment and take a set of old 862 00:38:51,820 --> 00:38:53,950 Anthony Di Iorio: business models to new models that serve more people and 863 00:38:53,950 --> 00:38:56,080 Anthony Di Iorio: or not feeling that people are not being included in 864 00:38:56,080 --> 00:39:00,130 Anthony Di Iorio: the solutions along the way. The last ten years, I've 865 00:39:00,130 --> 00:39:03,939 Anthony Di Iorio: I've learned that, you know, models of advertising don't work 866 00:39:03,940 --> 00:39:05,410 Anthony Di Iorio: and I don't want to do those types of things. 867 00:39:05,410 --> 00:39:07,779 Anthony Di Iorio: Models of collecting user information is something that my products 868 00:39:07,780 --> 00:39:09,279 Anthony Di Iorio: never do. We don't want to know who you are. 869 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:10,480 Anthony Di Iorio: We don't know want to know what you're doing. We 870 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,730 Anthony Di Iorio: don't want to keep logs of your stuff, which is 871 00:39:12,730 --> 00:39:14,890 Anthony Di Iorio: what we don't do with any of our infrastructure. We 872 00:39:14,890 --> 00:39:16,750 Anthony Di Iorio: we keep no logs of anything of what our users 873 00:39:16,750 --> 00:39:19,840 Anthony Di Iorio: are doing. And it's about how do we, how do 874 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:26,109 Anthony Di Iorio: we then expose, um, forward thinking models that aren't extractive, 875 00:39:26,380 --> 00:39:28,900 Anthony Di Iorio: which is what most models are, whether they be extracting 876 00:39:28,900 --> 00:39:31,930 Anthony Di Iorio: people's information or extracting people's eyeballs to be looking at 877 00:39:31,930 --> 00:39:35,410 Anthony Di Iorio: something and doing things at added expense. Or you realize 878 00:39:35,410 --> 00:39:37,180 Anthony Di Iorio: afterwards that, wait a second, that's not a good model, 879 00:39:37,180 --> 00:39:38,830 Anthony Di Iorio: even though you thought it was free there. And I'm 880 00:39:38,830 --> 00:39:42,219 Anthony Di Iorio: taking my data, taking my information and or selling me stuff, 881 00:39:42,219 --> 00:39:44,530 Anthony Di Iorio: which is the constant. You're the product sell, sell. You 882 00:39:44,530 --> 00:39:46,810 Anthony Di Iorio: become the product. So how do we showcase new models 883 00:39:46,810 --> 00:39:49,420 Anthony Di Iorio: of doing things that showcase even incumbents, that you can 884 00:39:49,420 --> 00:39:51,700 Anthony Di Iorio: be part of this mix and be involved? And here's 885 00:39:51,700 --> 00:39:53,169 Anthony Di Iorio: a better way for you to get what you want, 886 00:39:53,170 --> 00:39:55,000 Anthony Di Iorio: because the way you're doing things are actually going to 887 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,719 Anthony Di Iorio: lead to your demise. Empires fail usually because they haven't 888 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:00,490 Anthony Di Iorio: been able to problem solve their way from the beginning, 889 00:40:00,489 --> 00:40:01,960 Anthony Di Iorio: a better ways to do things that are going to 890 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,210 Anthony Di Iorio: serve more people. We're seeing that right now. A lot 891 00:40:04,210 --> 00:40:05,950 Anthony Di Iorio: of tech giants and the way that their models are 892 00:40:05,950 --> 00:40:10,029 Anthony Di Iorio: leading to their demise. We've seen it with civilizational empires 893 00:40:10,420 --> 00:40:13,720 Anthony Di Iorio: that that over time become lazy and do things with 894 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:14,860 Anthony Di Iorio: a reliance on too many other people. 895 00:40:15,850 --> 00:40:16,400 Travis Wright: You will eat ze bugs, Joel Comm and you will like them. 896 00:40:20,450 --> 00:40:23,680 Joel Comm: Mr. Schwab is nasty. Mr. Schwab, what do you think 897 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,029 Joel Comm: of what Elon's doing with Twitter? 898 00:40:25,390 --> 00:40:27,160 Anthony Di Iorio: I say give him some time to try to figure 899 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,379 Anthony Di Iorio: things out. Leave me alone right now. Yeah, that's. That's 900 00:40:29,380 --> 00:40:33,070 Anthony Di Iorio: what I say. I just. They they. They're just attacking. 901 00:40:33,070 --> 00:40:36,400 Anthony Di Iorio: It's from all different areas. And I think he does 902 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,670 Anthony Di Iorio: things that that also lead to him being deficient in 903 00:40:39,670 --> 00:40:42,520 Anthony Di Iorio: ways that people will attack based on him being a 904 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,859 Anthony Di Iorio: douche sometimes with things with other people. And I think 905 00:40:44,860 --> 00:40:48,460 Anthony Di Iorio: the more that you're not being a jerk and doing 906 00:40:48,460 --> 00:40:50,620 Anthony Di Iorio: things and just focusing on your mission and not saying 907 00:40:50,620 --> 00:40:54,310 Anthony Di Iorio: things to spark this, this type of, um, you know, 908 00:40:55,330 --> 00:40:57,790 Anthony Di Iorio: attack mode of people, I think comes about because you've 909 00:40:57,790 --> 00:40:59,620 Anthony Di Iorio: maybe done things that have led to that, right? 910 00:40:59,710 --> 00:41:02,770 Travis Wright: So, hey, dude, get some sleep, bro. You got 17 911 00:41:02,770 --> 00:41:04,630 Travis Wright: companies you CEO of right now about. 912 00:41:05,050 --> 00:41:08,739 Joel Comm: Anything but boring. Dude, where would you like people to 913 00:41:08,739 --> 00:41:10,570 Joel Comm: go to see what you're working on now? 914 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:13,960 Anthony Di Iorio: So the the project that I'm doing now is called Andiami. 915 00:41:18,130 --> 00:41:18,850 Joel Comm: Andiami is Italian. 916 00:41:18,850 --> 00:41:21,219 Anthony Di Iorio: No, it's my word. Well, there's no word I created. 917 00:41:21,219 --> 00:41:24,730 Anthony Di Iorio: It's Andiami , which means let's go. Hurry on, Jimmy 918 00:41:24,730 --> 00:41:26,050 Anthony Di Iorio: to be me. Let's all go together. 919 00:41:26,469 --> 00:41:28,419 Travis Wright: So it's like origami of let's go. 920 00:41:28,450 --> 00:41:32,860 Anthony Di Iorio: It's it's it's ten years of building. And finally the 921 00:41:32,860 --> 00:41:35,950 Anthony Di Iorio: project I'm putting out is, is how do we empower 922 00:41:35,950 --> 00:41:37,390 Anthony Di Iorio: people with the tools they need to be in control 923 00:41:37,390 --> 00:41:39,640 Anthony Di Iorio: of their lives, their money, communication, identity, which is the 924 00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,610 Anthony Di Iorio: three pillars I've always built around. How do we ensure 925 00:41:42,610 --> 00:41:45,009 Anthony Di Iorio: that the technologies that I think have some promise, which 926 00:41:45,010 --> 00:41:47,950 Anthony Di Iorio: are these decentralized tech that have emerged, whether they be, 927 00:41:48,310 --> 00:41:51,550 Anthony Di Iorio: as we mentioned, Polkadot or Cardano or Ethereum or Bitcoin, 928 00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,400 Anthony Di Iorio: how do how do they have the tools to to 929 00:41:54,430 --> 00:41:57,490 Anthony Di Iorio: allow their their communities to flourish and grow so Andiami 930 00:41:57,820 --> 00:42:00,430 Anthony Di Iorio: is a collaborative project that's here to increase the amount 931 00:42:00,430 --> 00:42:03,250 Anthony Di Iorio: of nodes and make it very easy for everybody to 932 00:42:03,250 --> 00:42:05,500 Anthony Di Iorio: be to be their own node. So we're creating blockchain 933 00:42:05,500 --> 00:42:08,470 Anthony Di Iorio: computers that come pre-loaded with every transaction for any chain 934 00:42:08,469 --> 00:42:11,560 Anthony Di Iorio: that you possibly want, plug and play like consoles like 935 00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,450 Anthony Di Iorio: like your Ps5 or your Xbox. 936 00:42:13,930 --> 00:42:14,259 Joel Comm: My STEAM deck. 937 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:18,339 Anthony Di Iorio: Yeah. Everything to to create a personal server for you 938 00:42:18,340 --> 00:42:20,649 Anthony Di Iorio: to send your own transactions to have all the historical 939 00:42:20,650 --> 00:42:22,299 Anthony Di Iorio: data you need and then. 940 00:42:22,630 --> 00:42:24,040 Travis Wright: Literally making people a bank. 941 00:42:24,910 --> 00:42:26,950 Anthony Di Iorio: Which is why I got into this space. how do you 942 00:42:26,950 --> 00:42:28,600 Anthony Di Iorio: be your own bank? And the idea of being able 943 00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:29,919 Anthony Di Iorio: to be my own bank, which kind of got me 944 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,259 Anthony Di Iorio: into the space. But I think you can have a 945 00:42:32,260 --> 00:42:34,930 Anthony Di Iorio: user controlled Internet unless the user themselves is their own server. 946 00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,629 Anthony Di Iorio: And if you're reliant on any third party to send 947 00:42:37,630 --> 00:42:41,260 Anthony Di Iorio: your transactions, you then become beholden to to certain restrictions 948 00:42:41,260 --> 00:42:45,340 Anthony Di Iorio: or you're in their monetary gain process potentially. So our 949 00:42:45,340 --> 00:42:46,960 Anthony Di Iorio: goal is to have a system where you can run 950 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,030 Anthony Di Iorio: your own node, which for whatever chain you want, and 951 00:42:49,030 --> 00:42:50,859 Anthony Di Iorio: then you're incentivized to run a node as well. With 952 00:42:50,860 --> 00:42:52,720 Anthony Di Iorio: a token we're putting out that's going to allow you 953 00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,810 Anthony Di Iorio: to share your resources with other people. So right now 954 00:42:55,810 --> 00:42:58,600 Anthony Di Iorio: know that there's Chia in. Yeah, it's it's right now 955 00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,570 Anthony Di Iorio: a lot of the structure is in the hands of centralized entities 956 00:43:01,989 --> 00:43:04,690 Anthony Di Iorio: that are providing services so that you can build. But 957 00:43:04,690 --> 00:43:06,220 Anthony Di Iorio: at the end of the day, you're beholden to what 958 00:43:06,219 --> 00:43:08,620 Anthony Di Iorio: they're doing. So our ideas, we need a much more 959 00:43:08,620 --> 00:43:11,830 Anthony Di Iorio: decentralized node infrastructure. And then you have resources that you 960 00:43:11,830 --> 00:43:13,690 Anthony Di Iorio: can share for you. If you want to send a 961 00:43:13,690 --> 00:43:16,029 Anthony Di Iorio: transaction and you don't have the resources, you can pay 962 00:43:16,030 --> 00:43:18,460 Anthony Di Iorio: him to send it for you and you're bypassing . 963 00:43:18,460 --> 00:43:20,260 Joel Comm: Western Union without the fee. 964 00:43:20,590 --> 00:43:23,710 Anthony Di Iorio: And without that name either. But yeah, you're you're empowering 965 00:43:23,710 --> 00:43:27,330 Anthony Di Iorio: individuals to be fully sovereign. Their money, communications and identity 966 00:43:27,340 --> 00:43:30,190 Anthony Di Iorio: run and send their own transactions, contribute to the networks, 967 00:43:30,430 --> 00:43:32,890 Anthony Di Iorio: and then share resources. You may have to allow others 968 00:43:32,890 --> 00:43:35,860 Anthony Di Iorio: to to be able to send systems as well. So 969 00:43:36,489 --> 00:43:38,230 Anthony Di Iorio: it's a node sharing protocol that we've developed. 970 00:43:38,350 --> 00:43:42,400 Travis Wright: And any potential vulnerabilities around it being connected to wi 971 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,920 Travis Wright: fi or is it no able to turn that off? 972 00:43:44,950 --> 00:43:46,780 Anthony Di Iorio: No. I mean, it's like running your own nodes right now. 973 00:43:47,050 --> 00:43:49,669 Anthony Di Iorio: It's using a BitTorrent s model for for doing the 974 00:43:49,690 --> 00:43:52,210 Anthony Di Iorio: node sharing system. But it's going to be incentivized with 975 00:43:52,210 --> 00:43:54,580 Anthony Di Iorio: the token to for those that have the resources and 976 00:43:54,730 --> 00:43:56,350 Anthony Di Iorio: those that need resources, because you need to be able 977 00:43:56,350 --> 00:43:58,660 Anthony Di Iorio: to send transactions. And now you're reliant on a wallet 978 00:43:58,660 --> 00:44:01,360 Anthony Di Iorio: company that's usually reliant on a third party to do so. 979 00:44:01,630 --> 00:44:03,279 Anthony Di Iorio: And we say you should be able to do it yourself. 980 00:44:03,489 --> 00:44:05,649 Travis Wright: Are you going to do an ICO or something for those tokens or Hey, 981 00:44:05,739 --> 00:44:06,040 Travis Wright: we're doing. 982 00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,440 Anthony Di Iorio: A game. It's all coming out as a game. So 983 00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:09,610 Anthony Di Iorio: you can be a player in the game and you're 984 00:44:09,610 --> 00:44:12,970 Anthony Di Iorio: buying physical what we're calling non-fungible digitals. I've created a 985 00:44:12,969 --> 00:44:15,969 Anthony Di Iorio: term and a piece. Okay, You're bringing physical products together 986 00:44:15,969 --> 00:44:18,130 Anthony Di Iorio: with digital elements, and so we have player kits that 987 00:44:18,130 --> 00:44:20,140 Anthony Di Iorio: we're selling to people, and the player kits are puzzles 988 00:44:20,140 --> 00:44:22,149 Anthony Di Iorio: that you need to unlock with your brain power to 989 00:44:22,150 --> 00:44:24,430 Anthony Di Iorio: unlock the tokens. And the tokens are used on the protocol, 990 00:44:24,430 --> 00:44:26,799 Anthony Di Iorio: the node sharing protocol. That's how we're putting it out. 991 00:44:28,750 --> 00:44:29,140 Anthony Di Iorio: Andiami. 992 00:44:29,500 --> 00:44:32,020 Joel Comm: So I'm going to tell my kids that on Diame 993 00:44:32,020 --> 00:44:34,180 Joel Comm: is Italian for Anthony's a good guy. 994 00:44:34,180 --> 00:44:36,340 Anthony Di Iorio: And let's all go together. You can't go out if 995 00:44:36,340 --> 00:44:37,960 Anthony Di Iorio: we if we can all go together. That's just not 996 00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,180 Anthony Di Iorio: that's not the way things work. So and we're here 997 00:44:40,180 --> 00:44:42,220 Anthony Di Iorio: to help all of the great chains to succeed. And 998 00:44:42,219 --> 00:44:44,049 Anthony Di Iorio: we're here to join their communities and provide them the 999 00:44:44,050 --> 00:44:44,950 Anthony Di Iorio: infrastructure they need. 1000 00:44:45,219 --> 00:44:47,080 Travis Wright: You say, what's your middle name in? 1001 00:44:47,230 --> 00:44:49,210 Anthony Di Iorio: It's actually I'm British, Italian. It's Charles. 1002 00:44:49,210 --> 00:44:50,530 Travis Wright: Oh, okay. Because I'm going to think because if it 1003 00:44:50,530 --> 00:44:55,419 Travis Wright: was in, it would be Anthony in the Oreo. Why 1004 00:44:55,420 --> 00:44:56,260 Travis Wright: am I. 1005 00:44:56,500 --> 00:44:58,360 Anthony Di Iorio: Let me tell you what it stands for many things 1006 00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,810 Anthony Di Iorio: so and and is Anthony de Oreo's DI that's the 1007 00:45:01,810 --> 00:45:04,419 Anthony Di Iorio: Andy part of it okay so and deal with that 1008 00:45:04,420 --> 00:45:05,140 Anthony Di Iorio: Jimmy you were. 1009 00:45:05,140 --> 00:45:05,620 Joel Comm: Deciphering. 1010 00:45:05,860 --> 00:45:09,280 Anthony Di Iorio: If you put it backwards it's I am a I 1011 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,220 Anthony Di Iorio: am I DNA All right And that was something I 1012 00:45:12,219 --> 00:45:15,640 Anthony Di Iorio: didn't think about there I mean his friend, right? So 1013 00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:17,709 Anthony Di Iorio: the me part, there's a number of different meanings behind 1014 00:45:17,710 --> 00:45:19,120 Anthony Di Iorio: the name that I put together here that, that it 1015 00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,460 Anthony Di Iorio: makes sense and kind of became that perfect name for 1016 00:45:21,460 --> 00:45:22,690 Anthony Di Iorio: the project. But at the end of the day, it's 1017 00:45:22,690 --> 00:45:23,560 Anthony Di Iorio: let's all go together. 1018 00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:27,340 Joel Comm: And I am I also a statement. 1019 00:45:27,370 --> 00:45:29,460 Anthony Di Iorio: Let's I am I, but let's all go together. You 1020 00:45:29,469 --> 00:45:31,480 Anthony Di Iorio: just draw on the individual and I want to be 1021 00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,370 Anthony Di Iorio: that individual. Don't group me into I don't like being 1022 00:45:33,370 --> 00:45:35,920 Anthony Di Iorio: put in groups, but I'm the individual. But let's all 1023 00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,050 Anthony Di Iorio: go together because we all offer some type of value 1024 00:45:38,050 --> 00:45:39,970 Anthony Di Iorio: into the equation and we don't want to be put 1025 00:45:39,980 --> 00:45:41,250 Anthony Di Iorio: into into these groups. 1026 00:45:41,350 --> 00:45:43,370 Travis Wright: So since we just kind of decipher that a little bit, 1027 00:45:43,370 --> 00:45:44,290 Travis Wright: so where's our tokens? 1028 00:45:44,830 --> 00:45:46,569 Anthony Di Iorio: So the waitlist is open right now. If we open 1029 00:45:46,570 --> 00:45:48,160 Anthony Di Iorio: for a while, we go about 55,000 people on the 1030 00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:51,100 Anthony Di Iorio: waitlist right now. Really, And you're going to be then 1031 00:45:51,100 --> 00:45:53,470 Anthony Di Iorio: sorted in an order and there's me rounds and we're 1032 00:45:53,469 --> 00:45:56,589 Anthony Di Iorio: selling player kits, literally physical boxes of these beautiful things 1033 00:45:56,590 --> 00:45:58,930 Anthony Di Iorio: that you open up. And it has puzzle books. I 1034 00:45:58,930 --> 00:46:00,880 Anthony Di Iorio: have a full line of printing, of big hardcover books, 1035 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,930 Anthony Di Iorio: and every every puzzle book is unique to each person. 1036 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,960 Anthony Di Iorio: So you have all the puzzles, images, AI generated images. 1037 00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:09,250 Travis Wright: We're going to have you on again and go through 1038 00:46:09,250 --> 00:46:10,020 Travis Wright: this would love video. 1039 00:46:10,030 --> 00:46:12,730 Anthony Di Iorio: I would love to. There's we just announced that a 1040 00:46:12,730 --> 00:46:14,440 Anthony Di Iorio: couple of months ago, but it's a culmination of ten 1041 00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,350 Anthony Di Iorio: years of building infrastructure and building things to create a 1042 00:46:17,350 --> 00:46:20,050 Anthony Di Iorio: project that is a perfect formula to help other projects succeed. 1043 00:46:20,050 --> 00:46:22,779 Anthony Di Iorio: We're not competitive in anybody. We're here to help everybody along. 1044 00:46:22,780 --> 00:46:23,979 Anthony Di Iorio: And that's kind of what's needed in this space. 1045 00:46:23,980 --> 00:46:25,989 Travis Wright: I think too, reminds me of the Neil the Neil 1046 00:46:25,989 --> 00:46:29,140 Travis Wright: Patrick Harris has has this game called The One. And 1047 00:46:29,140 --> 00:46:32,589 Travis Wright: it's basically a puzzle thing that you play. You're you 1048 00:46:32,590 --> 00:46:34,570 Travis Wright: open it up yourself and it's a puzzle just for you. 1049 00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,060 Travis Wright: And then he has another puzzle because he apparently loves 1050 00:46:37,060 --> 00:46:41,129 Travis Wright: puzzles for you to decipher with some other person. 1051 00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,540 Anthony Di Iorio: So physical and digital coming together, it's what we're doing 1052 00:46:43,540 --> 00:46:45,730 Anthony Di Iorio: in all our products. So every product is a Nonfungible 1053 00:46:45,730 --> 00:46:50,770 Anthony Di Iorio: Phygital Phygital is a physical, physical, digital product. You tap 1054 00:46:50,770 --> 00:46:53,110 Anthony Di Iorio: it with your phone, it proves authenticity. So there's NFC 1055 00:46:53,110 --> 00:46:54,970 Anthony Di Iorio: chips baked into every product that we have from the 1056 00:46:54,969 --> 00:46:58,510 Anthony Di Iorio: books to the kits. Everything is a tap to prove authenticity, 1057 00:46:58,900 --> 00:47:01,390 Anthony Di Iorio: and it all comes together in a global game of 1058 00:47:01,390 --> 00:47:03,549 Anthony Di Iorio: physical and digital. There's a video game associated with it. 1059 00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:05,140 Anthony Di Iorio: You have to unlock things in your player kit that 1060 00:47:05,140 --> 00:47:07,540 Anthony Di Iorio: ties into the video game, and then it's all towards 1061 00:47:07,540 --> 00:47:11,350 Anthony Di Iorio: unlocking your tokens, using brainpower to solve puzzles and learn 1062 00:47:11,350 --> 00:47:15,100 Anthony Di Iorio: and educational tools along the way. So there's five pillars 1063 00:47:15,100 --> 00:47:20,170 Anthony Di Iorio: It's education, leadership, problem solving, scam mitigation, gamification are the 1064 00:47:20,170 --> 00:47:22,630 Anthony Di Iorio: pillars we built this whole project on, and it's all 1065 00:47:22,630 --> 00:47:26,860 Anthony Di Iorio: about empowerment. And how do you let people be in 1066 00:47:26,860 --> 00:47:29,350 Anthony Di Iorio: control of their lives? Because right now we're not really 1067 00:47:29,350 --> 00:47:31,299 Anthony Di Iorio: in control. And usually it's it's beholden to someone else. 1068 00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,740 Travis Wright: So, dude, it's beautiful. That is amazing. That's how that's. Thank you. So cool. 1069 00:47:35,739 --> 00:47:36,730 Travis Wright: I can't wait to mess with that. 1070 00:47:36,730 --> 00:47:39,010 Anthony Di Iorio: Yeah. Oh, and you got to see the cubes if 1071 00:47:39,010 --> 00:47:39,430 Anthony Di Iorio: you can see them. 1072 00:47:39,430 --> 00:47:41,380 Joel Comm: Oh, so we're looking at the website here. You guys have. 1073 00:47:41,380 --> 00:47:44,200 Anthony Di Iorio: Puzzle watching computers. Those are the cubes that come preloaded 1074 00:47:44,219 --> 00:47:48,430 Anthony Di Iorio: with any chain you want, every transaction that's ever existed, 1075 00:47:48,430 --> 00:47:50,260 Anthony Di Iorio: and you just plug it in and it continues to 1076 00:47:50,290 --> 00:47:52,330 Anthony Di Iorio: bring in new blocks as you're going along and you 1077 00:47:52,330 --> 00:47:57,339 Anthony Di Iorio: send your own transactions, you become completely self-sufficient. And we've 1078 00:47:57,340 --> 00:47:59,859 Anthony Di Iorio: been we've been building these for years and they're ready 1079 00:47:59,860 --> 00:48:01,750 Anthony Di Iorio: to go. And so now the game is going to 1080 00:48:01,750 --> 00:48:03,670 Anthony Di Iorio: be starting as soon as we close up the waitlist 1081 00:48:03,940 --> 00:48:04,870 Anthony Di Iorio: in a month or two. 1082 00:48:04,900 --> 00:48:07,540 Joel Comm: I did not expect this, but I'm glad to see 1083 00:48:07,540 --> 00:48:10,150 Joel Comm: that you're working on something so worthwhile. Thank you. I 1084 00:48:10,150 --> 00:48:11,319 Joel Comm: think this can make a real difference. 1085 00:48:11,330 --> 00:48:12,070 Travis Wright: It's spectacular. 1086 00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,440 Joel Comm: Go check it out Andiami if you don't know how 1087 00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,230 Joel Comm: I'm spelling it and I am i. 1088 00:48:18,010 --> 00:48:19,989 Anthony Di Iorio: N d I am. I don't work. 1089 00:48:19,989 --> 00:48:23,860 Joel Comm: On. Dion, me or Anthony. Thanks for for your time today. 1090 00:48:23,860 --> 00:48:27,880 Joel Comm: Thanks so much, gentlemen. We really appreciate it. Travis, We 1091 00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:32,580 Joel Comm: have proof that we worked today. For this interview. 1092 00:48:35,010 --> 00:48:37,230 Travis Wright: We have why it is, it's because we did an NFT? 1093 00:48:37,230 --> 00:48:40,440 Joel Comm: And that's because well, because there's a podcast is proof. 1094 00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,540 Joel Comm: If people are listening to it, that is proof of 1095 00:48:42,540 --> 00:48:45,719 Joel Comm: work right now. But we're moving from proof of work 1096 00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,000 Joel Comm: like Ethereum to proof of stake. So I'm going to 1097 00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:49,259 Joel Comm: go have a steak dinner. 1098 00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:55,980 Travis Wright: I actually had a steak gyro today. It was really good. 1099 00:48:56,310 --> 00:49:00,570 Travis Wright: And and I have a Greek salad and actually, what 1100 00:49:00,570 --> 00:49:02,340 Travis Wright: is it? This is going live tomorrow, right? 1101 00:49:02,370 --> 00:49:05,100 Joel Comm: This is going live on the 11th of December. 1102 00:49:05,100 --> 00:49:08,550 Travis Wright: Yes. Okay. So on the 11th of December, I am 1103 00:49:08,550 --> 00:49:11,970 Travis Wright: starting a seven day water fast. I've been planning this 1104 00:49:11,969 --> 00:49:14,220 Travis Wright: one for a couple of weeks. And so my goal 1105 00:49:14,219 --> 00:49:17,970 Travis Wright: is to go at least 168 hours on this thing. 1106 00:49:17,969 --> 00:49:20,160 Travis Wright: The longest I've ever done is about a week and 1107 00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,830 Travis Wright: a half. I did 12 and a half days back 1108 00:49:22,830 --> 00:49:25,710 Travis Wright: in 2017 or 2018, so I'm going to go a 1109 00:49:25,710 --> 00:49:28,650 Travis Wright: long fast. So these next couple of podcasts, I'm going 1110 00:49:28,650 --> 00:49:30,600 Travis Wright: to be a grumpy asshole, you guys. Yeah. 1111 00:49:30,930 --> 00:49:33,509 Joel Comm: Yeah. So lucky me I get to deal with this. 1112 00:49:33,510 --> 00:49:36,870 Joel Comm: So but you know what? You're you're definitely you're shrinking. 1113 00:49:37,110 --> 00:49:41,190 Joel Comm: You are. You're dissipating. And pretty soon you're going to 1114 00:49:41,190 --> 00:49:42,150 Joel Comm: be skinny. Travis. 1115 00:49:42,570 --> 00:49:45,029 Travis Wright: I say I would say this thank you for one. 1116 00:49:45,030 --> 00:49:48,029 Travis Wright: But I would say this is that it's all about 1117 00:49:48,030 --> 00:49:51,180 Travis Wright: not what you eat, but when you eat, there's something 1118 00:49:51,180 --> 00:49:54,420 Travis Wright: magical that happens. I mean, so what I've been doing now, 1119 00:49:54,420 --> 00:49:57,090 Travis Wright: and this is what I have done, not what I'm doing, 1120 00:49:57,090 --> 00:50:01,890 Travis Wright: what I have done is I have done now 90. 1121 00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:06,060 Travis Wright: How many? 97 fasts in a row, Joel, I've not 1122 00:50:06,060 --> 00:50:09,150 Travis Wright: missed a day. So basically my last meal of the 1123 00:50:09,150 --> 00:50:11,730 Travis Wright: day and my first meal of the day bare minimum, 1124 00:50:11,730 --> 00:50:15,600 Travis Wright: is at least 13 hours in between those meals. Usually 1125 00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,390 Travis Wright: it's 16, 18 hours. Many times it's in the 20 1126 00:50:18,390 --> 00:50:20,640 Travis Wright: plus hours. A lot of times about every couple of weeks, 1127 00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,220 Travis Wright: I'll do at least a 24 hour fast where I'll 1128 00:50:23,219 --> 00:50:26,130 Travis Wright: eat lunch, skip dinner, skip breakfast and eat lunch the 1129 00:50:26,130 --> 00:50:28,170 Travis Wright: next day, which is a really easy way to do that. 1130 00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:32,430 Travis Wright: But there's a guy on on YouTube called Dr. Prob 1131 00:50:32,430 --> 00:50:36,420 Travis Wright: Dip for a dip jam notice. And this guy is 1132 00:50:36,420 --> 00:50:39,779 Travis Wright: a heart surgeon and he talks about what happens in 1133 00:50:39,780 --> 00:50:43,170 Travis Wright: your body when you fast past that third day, the 1134 00:50:43,170 --> 00:50:46,170 Travis Wright: histones in your DNA actually open up and you do 1135 00:50:46,170 --> 00:50:49,259 Travis Wright: a super cleaning. And so I turned 50 in May. 1136 00:50:49,260 --> 00:50:50,940 Travis Wright: And so I figure it's probably time to do a 1137 00:50:50,940 --> 00:50:55,270 Travis Wright: good cleaning to my system, clean out the arteries, do 1138 00:50:55,270 --> 00:50:57,299 Travis Wright: a bunch of stuff to kind of just kind of reboot, 1139 00:50:57,300 --> 00:50:59,430 Travis Wright: clean out the liver a little bit, clean out the kidneys, 1140 00:50:59,610 --> 00:51:03,930 Travis Wright: just give myself a a nice reboot a bit and yeah, not, 1141 00:51:03,930 --> 00:51:07,290 Travis Wright: not financial or health advice in this podcast, but if 1142 00:51:07,290 --> 00:51:10,860 Travis Wright: you're interested in doing intermittent fasting, I would recommend looking 1143 00:51:10,860 --> 00:51:15,359 Travis Wright: into it because it is all about when, not about what, 1144 00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:16,200 Travis Wright: as far as I can tell. 1145 00:51:16,910 --> 00:51:19,530 Joel Comm: Hmm. So there you go. We're going to follow along 1146 00:51:19,530 --> 00:51:21,870 Joel Comm: on Travis's journey. And I'll tell you, we're on a 1147 00:51:21,870 --> 00:51:24,870 Joel Comm: couple of concurrent journeys right here. Travis and I have 1148 00:51:24,870 --> 00:51:29,279 Joel Comm: been going deep, deep, deep down this artificial intelligence rabbit hole. 1149 00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:33,000 Joel Comm: And we're both playing with some really interesting things. And 1150 00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:36,149 Joel Comm: we're going to be covering this on the show in 1151 00:51:36,150 --> 00:51:38,279 Joel Comm: the near future. We're going to try and get some 1152 00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,529 Joel Comm: guests on here to help talk about this. You know, 1153 00:51:40,530 --> 00:51:45,000 Joel Comm: even though it is not directly blockchain, this is a 1154 00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:48,990 Joel Comm: convergence of technologies that is definitely going to have blockchain 1155 00:51:48,989 --> 00:51:52,470 Joel Comm: aspects to it. And we're excited about it. And because 1156 00:51:52,469 --> 00:51:54,210 Joel Comm: we're excited about it, we want to talk about it 1157 00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:55,770 Joel Comm: and we want to bring it to you. 1158 00:51:55,950 --> 00:51:58,230 Travis Wright: So that's the three. It really is. I mean, when 1159 00:51:58,230 --> 00:52:00,810 Travis Wright: you think about what is Web3, Web3 is crypto. We 1160 00:52:00,810 --> 00:52:04,230 Travis Wright: talked about that early on in 2017 about Web3 and 1161 00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,950 Travis Wright: blockchain being the third generation of the Internet. And so 1162 00:52:07,950 --> 00:52:14,070 Travis Wright: it's web3, it's A.I., it's crypto, right? It's VR, R 1163 00:52:14,370 --> 00:52:17,310 Travis Wright: and Metaverse stuff, All of these kind of things that 1164 00:52:17,310 --> 00:52:20,310 Travis Wright: we like to talk about is all within this new space. 1165 00:52:20,310 --> 00:52:22,860 Travis Wright: So it's really at this point maybe evolving into the 1166 00:52:22,860 --> 00:52:25,680 Travis Wright: bad web3 show because a lot of this stuff is Web3 1167 00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:30,690 Travis Wright: technologies as we are merging and converging into the future 1168 00:52:30,900 --> 00:52:34,200 Travis Wright: with cryptocurrency and all the things that go around with it. 1169 00:52:34,770 --> 00:52:38,190 Joel Comm: You know, as we are talking, you are playing with 1170 00:52:38,190 --> 00:52:42,150 Joel Comm: an AI tool to create an NFT for this episode, 1171 00:52:42,420 --> 00:52:47,130 Joel Comm: and I'm seeing the images that you're sending me on signal, 1172 00:52:47,670 --> 00:52:52,410 Joel Comm: and these are amazing. I think like, let's, I want 1173 00:52:52,410 --> 00:52:55,740 Joel Comm: to do this. I want to save these images. Travis 1174 00:52:55,739 --> 00:52:59,129 Joel Comm: that show all the different ones. And then we're going 1175 00:52:59,130 --> 00:53:02,280 Joel Comm: to give away the what the final one that we 1176 00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:06,689 Joel Comm: choose to to give away, or we can have people 1177 00:53:06,690 --> 00:53:09,000 Joel Comm: vote on it. What what would you think of that 1178 00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:09,690 Joel Comm: of us putting. 1179 00:53:09,690 --> 00:53:12,239 Travis Wright: Well, I think you can't we drop multiple ones. I 1180 00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,170 Travis Wright: think we can draw. We could do whatever we want. Wow. 1181 00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,040 Travis Wright: Look at this one. This one, we could. 1182 00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,440 Joel Comm: Do whatever we want. So here's the deal. If you 1183 00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:23,280 Joel Comm: want to get this Etherium NFT that we're going to 1184 00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,440 Joel Comm: drop for free, you still need to have a bad 1185 00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:30,060 Joel Comm: crypto nifty club membership, which is not free. It's going 1186 00:53:30,060 --> 00:53:32,400 Joel Comm: to wipe you out because it costs all of about 1187 00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,950 Joel Comm: $2 and 50 cents to get all the free airdrops and 1188 00:53:36,330 --> 00:53:41,040 Joel Comm: through this membership, go to bad crypto dot uncut dot FM. 1189 00:53:41,050 --> 00:53:45,270 Joel Comm: Every day people are buying this NFT and you're getting airdrops. 1190 00:53:45,270 --> 00:53:48,390 Joel Comm: I think we've done five or six airdrops now that 1191 00:53:48,390 --> 00:53:51,480 Joel Comm: are related to various episodes. They're not available anywhere else. 1192 00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,359 Joel Comm: You can't buy these airdrops we're doing. And these are 1193 00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:58,020 Joel Comm: some bad ass nfts. If you want this Etherium one, 1194 00:53:58,170 --> 00:54:01,979 Joel Comm: you better make sure that by Wednesday night of this 1195 00:54:01,980 --> 00:54:05,520 Joel Comm: week that you've got the bad crypto nifty club membership 1196 00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,550 Joel Comm: NFT in your wallet, you go to bad crypto dot 1197 00:54:08,550 --> 00:54:12,240 Joel Comm: uncut dot FM look for the membership NFT, it's spinny, 1198 00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:14,580 Joel Comm: it's red, it's got me and Travis on it by 1199 00:54:14,580 --> 00:54:18,509 Joel Comm: Wednesday evening, the 14th of December. If you want this 1200 00:54:18,510 --> 00:54:21,120 Joel Comm: free Ethereum NFT, you need to have this in your wallet. 1201 00:54:21,150 --> 00:54:23,460 Joel Comm: These are cool to have. These are really cool. 1202 00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:25,740 Travis Wright: These are coming really good. So here's, here's how I 1203 00:54:25,739 --> 00:54:28,350 Travis Wright: got it set up here. It's called So basically one 1204 00:54:28,350 --> 00:54:32,070 Travis Wright: of the it's the invention of Ethereum cryptocurrency. The five 1205 00:54:32,070 --> 00:54:35,450 Travis Wright: co-founders created Ethereum to be Bitcoin. That's what this is 1206 00:54:35,460 --> 00:54:38,340 Travis Wright: what I was tons of. I typed in extraordinarily imaginative 1207 00:54:38,340 --> 00:54:44,880 Travis Wright: volumetric lighting, 32 k post-processing, spectacular ambient lights, cinematic atmosphere, 1208 00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:50,400 Travis Wright: insanely detailed and intricate cinematic lighting, ultra photo realistic octane 1209 00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:56,850 Travis Wright: render unreal engine five render cryengine a.k.a hyper realism hyper realistic, 1210 00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:01,230 Travis Wright: hyper detailed and dreamy version four of MIT Journey. So 1211 00:55:01,230 --> 00:55:05,009 Travis Wright: this thing is coming together looking really awesome. This is spectacular. 1212 00:55:05,010 --> 00:55:07,050 Travis Wright: So what we got right now, it's like this box 1213 00:55:07,350 --> 00:55:09,870 Travis Wright: that has money in it that's just this very it's 1214 00:55:09,870 --> 00:55:13,620 Travis Wright: like this a theory and box that is it's I 1215 00:55:13,620 --> 00:55:15,240 Travis Wright: don't even know how to describe it. It's really bad 1216 00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:15,899 Travis Wright: ass looking lol. 1217 00:55:16,350 --> 00:55:18,600 Joel Comm: It's going to be great. And this, this episode, we're 1218 00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,570 Joel Comm: not doing a video version because when we were with Anthony, 1219 00:55:21,780 --> 00:55:24,750 Joel Comm: we didn't record video, so there's no video to go 1220 00:55:24,750 --> 00:55:27,569 Joel Comm: with this audio only, but we are going to do 1221 00:55:27,570 --> 00:55:31,980 Joel Comm: the fan show also here this coming week while Travis 1222 00:55:31,980 --> 00:55:34,710 Joel Comm: is super grumpy. So if you have not yet called 1223 00:55:34,710 --> 00:55:37,890 Joel Comm: the Bad Crypto Hotline to share your thoughts with us, 1224 00:55:37,890 --> 00:55:42,570 Joel Comm: this is the time to do it. 708 85 9030 1225 00:55:42,570 --> 00:55:45,000 Joel Comm: is the number. Want to hear it again? We'll just 1226 00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,760 Joel Comm: hit reverse 10 seconds and you can hear again or 1227 00:55:47,790 --> 00:55:51,150 Joel Comm: email us at Bad Crypto podcast at gmail.com. Let us 1228 00:55:51,150 --> 00:55:53,189 Joel Comm: know how long you've been listening, what you like about 1229 00:55:53,190 --> 00:55:58,110 Joel Comm: the show, feedback on particular episodes, suggestions, questions. Tell us 1230 00:55:58,110 --> 00:56:00,360 Joel Comm: to stay bad, whatever you want. We want to include 1231 00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:04,140 Joel Comm: you guys in in an episode here this coming week. 1232 00:56:04,140 --> 00:56:06,840 Joel Comm: This is your last chance to get in on it. So. 1233 00:56:06,989 --> 00:56:10,130 Joel Comm: So please, please do that and get on the. 1234 00:56:11,130 --> 00:56:13,740 Travis Wright: Well I'm only really grumpy on like day two between 1235 00:56:13,739 --> 00:56:16,250 Travis Wright: day two and day three. There comes a point like 1236 00:56:16,260 --> 00:56:18,750 Travis Wright: once you pass the 72 hours that you don't even 1237 00:56:18,750 --> 00:56:21,450 Travis Wright: think about it anymore and you're not even hungry because 1238 00:56:21,450 --> 00:56:24,390 Travis Wright: then your body goes in the super cleansing mode. Because 1239 00:56:24,390 --> 00:56:26,310 Travis Wright: once you get all of the food out of your 1240 00:56:26,310 --> 00:56:30,029 Travis Wright: digestive system and then all the glucose out of your bloodstream, 1241 00:56:30,030 --> 00:56:33,959 Travis Wright: your body starts burning fat primarily as fuel. And once 1242 00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:36,780 Travis Wright: your body gets into that mode, you're not even hungry. 1243 00:56:36,780 --> 00:56:39,780 Travis Wright: So the trick is, is to drink lots of water 1244 00:56:39,780 --> 00:56:42,540 Travis Wright: that has a little bit of sea salt and a 1245 00:56:42,540 --> 00:56:44,610 Travis Wright: little bit of you have a little bit of potassium, 1246 00:56:44,610 --> 00:56:48,239 Travis Wright: a little bit of magnesium. I have this magnesium sprayer 1247 00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:49,739 Travis Wright: that I'll spray on my body so I won't have 1248 00:56:49,739 --> 00:56:52,049 Travis Wright: any magnesium. What I've learned is if you don't have 1249 00:56:52,050 --> 00:56:54,870 Travis Wright: those electrolytes in your system does that by day three, 1250 00:56:54,870 --> 00:56:56,729 Travis Wright: you're going to get the rods even though you're not 1251 00:56:56,730 --> 00:56:59,580 Travis Wright: eating anything. But if you have those electrolytes in your system, 1252 00:56:59,580 --> 00:57:00,810 Travis Wright: you don't have that problem at all. 1253 00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:05,640 Joel Comm: It's the bad fasting podcasts with your host. KITO Right. 1254 00:57:07,710 --> 00:57:09,000 Travis Wright: Joey Back in Quito. 1255 00:57:09,180 --> 00:57:11,790 Joel Comm: Joey Baggett, Kito We'll catch you guys in the next episode. 1256 00:57:11,790 --> 00:57:15,240 Joel Comm: Thanks again for being part of the Republic of Bad Cryptopia. 1257 00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:17,550 Joel Comm: We appreciate you guys. So stay back. 1258 00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:35,820 Travis Wright: The group. 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Please understand that the trading 1267 00:58:06,820 --> 00:58:11,860 Joel Comm: of Bitcoins and alternative cryptocurrencies have potential risks involved. Anyone 1268 00:58:11,860 --> 00:58:14,260 Joel Comm: wishing to invest in any of the currencies or tokens 1269 00:58:14,260 --> 00:58:17,620 Joel Comm: mentioned on this podcast should first seek their own independent 1270 00:58:17,620 --> 00:58:21,820 Joel Comm: professional financial advisor. Hey. Hey. What's with this? All this 1271 00:58:21,820 --> 00:58:26,040 Joel Comm: artificial intelligence here? Yeah. What? What is. What's going on here? Wait, wait, wait. 1272 00:58:26,050 --> 00:58:27,100 Joel Comm: You got to be so fake. 1273 00:58:27,580 --> 00:58:29,290 Travis Wright: I got to tell you this. You could use some 1274 00:58:29,290 --> 00:58:33,500 Travis Wright: intelligence for fleece if you got some artificial intelligence. Joli, 1275 00:58:33,790 --> 00:58:35,800 Travis Wright: you'll always have some that. 1276 00:58:35,860 --> 00:58:39,040 Joel Comm: It's my. It's actually my name. I'm Art Arthur. Oh, 1277 00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:42,310 Joel Comm: official art official. That's. That's what they call me here 1278 00:58:42,310 --> 00:58:42,970 Joel Comm: in Brooklyn. 1279 00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:45,370 Travis Wright: That's not what they call you at all. They call 1280 00:58:45,370 --> 00:58:48,370 Travis Wright: you douche bag a donut. So what they call you always? 1281 00:58:48,970 --> 00:58:52,230 Travis Wright: I know. Because I'm the one who says it to you.