WEBVTT - On the Run with John McAfee 0:00:00.060 --> 0:00:02.640 John McAfee was without a doubt one of the most 0:00:02.640 --> 0:00:06.120 controversial guests we've ever had on this show. We got 0:00:06.120 --> 0:00:08.940 to interview him six times prior to his death and 0:00:08.940 --> 0:00:11.520 we wish he was still around for a seventh go round. 0:00:11.789 --> 0:00:14.130 But in lieu of that, the next best thing would 0:00:14.130 --> 0:00:16.829 be to speak with someone who was with McAfee while 0:00:16.829 --> 0:00:19.950 he was on the run from the authorities. Alex, Cody 0:00:19.950 --> 0:00:23.280 Foster is that guy. You may recognize him from the 0:00:23.280 --> 0:00:27.630 blockbuster Netflix special Running with the devil the wild world 0:00:27.630 --> 0:00:31.690 of john mcafee. Today he discusses his time with jon, 0:00:31.710 --> 0:00:34.950 the insane situations that he found himself in and how 0:00:34.950 --> 0:00:38.190 he's documented it all in a brand new book. This 0:00:38.190 --> 0:00:41.519 episode has many van Halen references in it, so you'll 0:00:41.520 --> 0:00:46.019 want to keep count of them. On our episode number 654. 0:00:47.700 --> 0:00:49.320 Of the Bad Crypto podcast. 0:00:49.570 --> 0:00:51.949 Five for three. 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:58.920 How are all of the Whose band? 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:26.130 Are you ready to rock? Uh, yeah. Uh, maybe. Maybe not. 0:01:26.700 --> 0:01:33.750 I was. I was noticing you, and I noticed that. Oh, I. One, two. And. Oh, yeah, 0:01:33.900 --> 0:01:34.380 I noticed. 0:01:34.410 --> 0:01:35.910 Well, if you're ready to rock, we can be the 0:01:35.910 --> 0:01:37.980 metal metaverse metalheads. 0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:44.190 Oh, very nice. The metaverse metalheads. This one right here. 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:51.960 I mean, seriously, it has about 5150 different Van Halen references. 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:55.620 And because Runnin with the Devil and we. 0:01:55.620 --> 0:02:00.840 Spun Army is there was 1984 and in 1984 we 0:02:00.840 --> 0:02:02.370 never really mentioned that album. 0:02:03.030 --> 0:02:06.330 If you haven't seen the Netflix documentary Running with the 0:02:06.330 --> 0:02:08.730 Devil in the Wild World of John McAfee, you got 0:02:08.730 --> 0:02:11.520 to go see it. It's an amazing watch. Then you're 0:02:11.520 --> 0:02:13.350 going to want to get his book, the memoir of 0:02:13.350 --> 0:02:15.600 The Man Who Hacked the World, which is all about 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:21.390 John McAfee and basically being with him while the craziness 0:02:21.389 --> 0:02:25.710 was taking place. Lots of insight from the author on 0:02:25.710 --> 0:02:28.290 this particular show and a lot of fun to speak 0:02:28.290 --> 0:02:30.480 with him as well. He's a good guy. Humble dude. 0:02:31.860 --> 0:02:35.730 Very cool. And then if you haven't seen the documentary yet, 0:02:35.970 --> 0:02:39.570 listen to this and then go listen, Go watch the documentary, 0:02:39.570 --> 0:02:42.600 Run with the Devil. He's actually on the show talking 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:45.839 about some interesting things, you know, and mentioning some stuff 0:02:46.350 --> 0:02:49.919 that you maybe have never heard before, like while watching 0:02:49.919 --> 0:02:54.029 that documentary. They've talked about John McAfee, you know, maybe 0:02:54.030 --> 0:02:58.470 even offing his very violent father. Like what? I never 0:02:58.470 --> 0:03:01.200 heard that before. Like, there's some weird stuff going on. 0:03:01.530 --> 0:03:06.120 And this this right here is this episode is one 0:03:06.120 --> 0:03:07.230 of those timeless ones. 0:03:07.470 --> 0:03:10.860 Yeah. So see if you can count the Van Halen references. 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:20.040 And let's get to our talk with Alex Cody Foster. Sir. Lord, 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:24.210 have you seen the documentary on Netflix yet? Running with 0:03:24.210 --> 0:03:24.690 the Devil. 0:03:25.110 --> 0:03:28.860 Hmm. You know, yes, I have. And I love Van Halen. 0:03:29.310 --> 0:03:31.020 So this is really exciting. We get to talk to 0:03:31.020 --> 0:03:34.050 the ghostwriter who was writing for for for day to 0:03:34.050 --> 0:03:35.910 Lee Roth. Is that correct? Something like that. Did I. 0:03:35.910 --> 0:03:38.640 See this? No, no, no. It's. It's running with the devil. 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:40.980 The wild world of John McAfee. 0:03:41.100 --> 0:03:44.490 I do love that song. Maybe the very best intro 0:03:44.490 --> 0:03:47.070 song on a debut album ever. 0:03:47.970 --> 0:03:52.410 It is fantastic. You hear it and immediately recognize there's 0:03:52.410 --> 0:03:55.740 Eddie pulling the raps like this is something totally new. 0:03:56.040 --> 0:03:57.900 But on that one, just real quick, you know, one 0:03:57.900 --> 0:03:59.700 thing is that when they started out with the song 0:03:59.700 --> 0:04:03.810 With Blood, when it starts out, they literally took in 0:04:03.810 --> 0:04:06.300 car horn and then they honked it and then they 0:04:06.300 --> 0:04:09.570 slowed it down to make that song. They made that sound, 0:04:09.570 --> 0:04:12.420 which is funny, which is iconic sound. So but that 0:04:12.420 --> 0:04:13.980 has nothing to do with any of this except for 0:04:13.980 --> 0:04:14.410 the title. 0:04:14.430 --> 0:04:18.029 There you go. Piece of Van Halen trivia today, and 0:04:18.270 --> 0:04:20.760 maybe our guests will bring some Van Halen trivia. I 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:23.700 don't know. His name is Alex Cody Foster. He is 0:04:23.910 --> 0:04:28.530 the ghostwriter on the book that is just coming out today, 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:31.979 which the documentary you may have seen on Netflix is 0:04:31.980 --> 0:04:34.830 based on Running with the Devil, The Wild World of 0:04:34.830 --> 0:04:39.599 John McAfee. Alex A.F., welcome to bed Crypto. 0:04:39.779 --> 0:04:40.710 Thanks for having me. Yes. 0:04:41.460 --> 0:04:42.930 Do you have any Van Halen? 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:45.450 Actually, I do. This is all kind of full circle 0:04:45.450 --> 0:04:49.479 for me here. I Almost Ghost wrote a book for 0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:51.640 a guy who was best friends with Eddie Van Halen. 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:53.770 Huh? Yeah, I. 0:04:54.010 --> 0:04:56.500 I can't give his name, obviously, but I didn't take 0:04:56.500 --> 0:04:59.410 him on. He stole my email somewhere. It didn't happen. 0:04:59.410 --> 0:05:00.789 So I guess is a non-story. 0:05:01.350 --> 0:05:04.900 Yeah, it's. It's such a great band. Such as? Aside 0:05:04.900 --> 0:05:09.520 from that, such an interesting dude, John McAfee, such an 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:12.370 interesting character. Like when you go back and and I 0:05:12.370 --> 0:05:14.830 believe the documentary started somewhere with some of that footage 0:05:14.830 --> 0:05:18.279 from what 2012 is that that what starts kicking off 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:20.500 and then you go on for a little while and 0:05:20.500 --> 0:05:22.600 then you're and then there's like a five year delay 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:25.690 and then you're going back into the story back in 2019. 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:27.610 What a great time to come back in the So 0:05:27.610 --> 0:05:30.160 what was your initial thoughts when you're like, hey, John 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:32.570 McAfee wants you to write a book with them? Like 0:05:32.589 --> 0:05:33.430 how did that go down? 0:05:33.670 --> 0:05:36.070 And so, Travis, we're just going to jump right in 0:05:36.550 --> 0:05:38.620 like I think as well. We may as well jump. 0:05:39.170 --> 0:05:41.470 I might as well just go ahead. JOHNSON Yeah, I. 0:05:41.470 --> 0:05:43.900 Think I think we did try to insert as many 0:05:43.900 --> 0:05:45.760 Van Halen song titles. 0:05:45.910 --> 0:05:47.050 Into this episode. 0:05:47.770 --> 0:05:50.680 Of course, the conversation as possible. So, yeah, Alex, go 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:51.850 ahead and talk about that. 0:05:51.850 --> 0:05:55.960 Jump in some jump in. So John didn't actually want 0:05:55.960 --> 0:05:59.650 to hire me initially. I spoke with Jimmy Watson, his 0:05:59.650 --> 0:06:04.660 executive advisor at the time, because yeah, Jimmy and he, 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:07.510 you know, I forget how we met, but we got 0:06:07.510 --> 0:06:09.909 linked up. I sent him an email and I told 0:06:09.910 --> 0:06:11.950 him that I was a ghostwriter and I was in 0:06:11.950 --> 0:06:13.870 the crypto industry and I've worked with some of the 0:06:13.870 --> 0:06:16.450 founders in crypto and I said I would love to 0:06:16.450 --> 0:06:19.390 write John story. In fact, I'd wanted to write a 0:06:19.390 --> 0:06:22.570 story ever since I was 18 and 19 years old, 0:06:22.570 --> 0:06:25.179 living on the streets of Los Angeles. And I that 0:06:25.210 --> 0:06:28.060 was in 2012, and that's when John went on the 0:06:28.060 --> 0:06:30.850 run in Belize. And I saw that story when I 0:06:30.850 --> 0:06:33.580 was living on the streets. There was a wired article 0:06:33.580 --> 0:06:37.029 by Joshua Josh Davis, and I said, Fuck, I love 0:06:37.029 --> 0:06:39.460 to write that guy's book someday. This is before I 0:06:39.460 --> 0:06:42.430 was a writer. So fast forward, you know, I was 0:06:42.430 --> 0:06:45.670 25 and I wrote to Jimmy and he said, You know, 0:06:45.670 --> 0:06:48.130 you sound like the perfect guy to do this. But 0:06:48.130 --> 0:06:50.680 every time I bring it up, the boss boss says, 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:53.590 Fuck that, Jimmy. I will never write another book. I 0:06:53.589 --> 0:06:56.740 will never speak to a writer because I hate them. 0:06:56.770 --> 0:06:59.080 And he said, If you keep bringing this shit up, 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:02.440 I'm going to fire you. And Jimmy was like, Yeah, yeah. 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:03.890 He said, Man, I don't know Alex. I don't know 0:07:03.890 --> 0:07:06.130 if he's being serious or what, but I don't think 0:07:06.130 --> 0:07:07.510 I can bring this up. But you know, I'm going 0:07:07.510 --> 0:07:10.360 to do it strategic strategically, all right? And I said, Fine, 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:12.790 that's great. A few months later, I got a call 0:07:12.790 --> 0:07:15.670 in the morning, 530 in the morning, I guess John 0:07:15.670 --> 0:07:18.070 had seen a video of when I was homeless on 0:07:18.070 --> 0:07:20.470 the streets of L.A. and he knew I'd seen some shit. 0:07:20.890 --> 0:07:23.290 And that's what attracted it to me. And so I 0:07:23.290 --> 0:07:25.150 got a call 530 in the morning, and I was 0:07:25.630 --> 0:07:28.750 profiled in the Netflix documentary. But what's not in that 0:07:28.750 --> 0:07:33.430 film is the deciding factor was he said, All right, son, 0:07:33.610 --> 0:07:38.110 do you drink? Does it? Yeah. I mean, water, coffee 0:07:38.860 --> 0:07:41.530 is I don't like milk. I mean, we're the only 0:07:41.830 --> 0:07:45.340 animal that drinks milk from another species, so that's why. 0:07:45.340 --> 0:07:46.930 I love to eat. Yeah. 0:07:46.930 --> 0:07:50.620 Yeah, I like I like food too. And he's like, No, no, no, no, no, no, no. 0:07:50.620 --> 0:07:53.470 Do you drink booze, sir? Do you drink? But is 0:07:53.500 --> 0:07:55.840 it Sure? And he said, What do you drink? I 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:59.020 was like, red wine, You know, I like montepulciano. I 0:07:59.020 --> 0:08:02.830 like scotch, I like bourbon. This is it. He shut 0:08:02.830 --> 0:08:04.119 me up and he said, All right, I'll see you. 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:06.670 I'll see you Tuesday. That was like a day later 0:08:06.850 --> 0:08:09.310 that I was supposed to arrive. And John did this 0:08:09.310 --> 0:08:11.830 all the time with people. It was all or nothing. 0:08:12.190 --> 0:08:15.400 You know, you either arrive in 24 hours, which meant 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:17.110 that I had to pretty much get on a plane 0:08:17.140 --> 0:08:20.020 that night because of where he was located in the 0:08:20.020 --> 0:08:23.440 US or don't arrive at all. And so that's how 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:24.490 it got kicked off. 0:08:25.390 --> 0:08:27.190 So you like if I show up, then you really 0:08:27.190 --> 0:08:29.410 got me. I'm going to be here. I'm going to 0:08:29.410 --> 0:08:30.179 be your ghostwriter. 0:08:30.610 --> 0:08:32.770 It felt that way. But actually what happened was I 0:08:32.770 --> 0:08:34.720 showed up and I was put under this sort of 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:38.709 rigorous social experiment, which, if I failed, was going to 0:08:38.710 --> 0:08:41.200 can my ass immediately. So I didn't really have the 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:42.520 job until I passed the test. 0:08:42.790 --> 0:08:45.040 And what was this? When did you when did you 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:47.170 join with them originally? Back in 2000, 12, or was 0:08:47.170 --> 0:08:49.090 it 2020 18? 0:08:49.090 --> 0:08:51.790 So he had done his whole on the run thing. 0:08:51.790 --> 0:08:55.280 In 2012. He came back to America and then he 0:08:55.390 --> 0:08:57.370 pretty much went on the run for a couple of years. 0:08:57.370 --> 0:09:00.910 He lived in Oregon, he lived in Tennessee. He was 0:09:00.910 --> 0:09:01.959 in Tennessee when I met him. 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:07.860 So how long did it take for him to warm 0:09:07.860 --> 0:09:11.310 up to you? You know, for him to feel comfortable, like, okay, 0:09:11.760 --> 0:09:13.560 I can hang with this guy, I can party with 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:15.780 this dude. I'm going to surround myself with some beautiful 0:09:15.780 --> 0:09:19.950 girls and with Alex Cody Foster song reference. 0:09:21.090 --> 0:09:23.430 I think that was the second trip that I took 0:09:23.429 --> 0:09:25.560 with him when we actually went on the run, allegedly 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:28.620 from the Sinaloa cartel. We're after him because he felt there. 0:09:29.280 --> 0:09:32.610 He bugged them and hacked them back in 2012. That's 0:09:32.610 --> 0:09:34.470 in the book. It's not really in the film, but 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:38.280 he he saw that I wasn't afraid. You know, I 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:40.800 had lost my mind back in 2012 when I was 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:42.780 living on the streets. I got a back a couple 0:09:42.780 --> 0:09:44.880 of years later, and when I got back, I was 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:47.790 a totally different person and I became a writer. And 0:09:47.790 --> 0:09:51.089 ever since then, for some weird reason, I bet in 0:09:51.090 --> 0:09:53.609 a pathological sense, a therapist would have a field day 0:09:53.610 --> 0:09:57.240 with me. But I don't really feel fear. You know 0:09:57.240 --> 0:09:59.760 what I mean? I don't feel excitement either. Like everybody's 0:10:00.210 --> 0:10:02.730 hitting me up today, like, Oh my God, your first book, 0:10:02.730 --> 0:10:04.740 Under Your Name came out. You know, I've got a 0:10:04.740 --> 0:10:07.170 bunch of published books, not under my name, but the 0:10:07.170 --> 0:10:09.480 first one with my name. And it just so happened 0:10:09.480 --> 0:10:11.679 to be about my life and about my time with John. 0:10:12.059 --> 0:10:14.730 But I don't feel excitement. I feel grateful. And I 0:10:14.730 --> 0:10:19.980 think that weird pathology that I have and the just 0:10:19.980 --> 0:10:21.900 the fact that I was always a black sheep, that 0:10:21.900 --> 0:10:24.780 I was sort of misunderstood and I lost my mind 0:10:24.780 --> 0:10:26.730 like he did he he said he lost it for 0:10:26.730 --> 0:10:30.030 a lot longer than I did it. When he realized 0:10:30.030 --> 0:10:32.939 that was the thing with me, we were in that 0:10:33.059 --> 0:10:37.920 four car motorcade speeding across America on the run. That's 0:10:37.920 --> 0:10:40.230 when he really starts spilling his secrets. And that's when 0:10:40.230 --> 0:10:42.660 he didn't see me as an equal. But he saw 0:10:42.660 --> 0:10:43.829 me the first time. 0:10:45.380 --> 0:10:47.450 I want to I want to talk about you know, 0:10:47.450 --> 0:10:49.240 you mentioned that you were homeless there for a while, 0:10:49.250 --> 0:10:51.200 living out on the summer streets. And I want to 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:54.500 ask about that. Like, how did that sort of prepare 0:10:54.500 --> 0:10:57.340 you to become a ghost and like in your thinking, 0:10:57.740 --> 0:10:59.660 so you got your life together and you said that 0:10:59.660 --> 0:11:02.059 was a crazy time. Here I am. I'm going to 0:11:02.059 --> 0:11:04.700 start I'm going to start writing some books about other 0:11:04.700 --> 0:11:07.160 people and ghostwriting them. How did that even transcribe? 0:11:07.700 --> 0:11:10.130 That's a great question, man. I mean, to be honest, 0:11:10.130 --> 0:11:13.190 I guess I've been ghostwriting pretty much my whole life 0:11:13.190 --> 0:11:17.070 is back in. Seventh grade that I started writing book 0:11:17.070 --> 0:11:19.590 reports for my brother, who was in high school. And 0:11:19.590 --> 0:11:22.320 I did that until he left high school. And he 0:11:22.320 --> 0:11:25.140 didn't graduate, but he just he just left. And I 0:11:25.140 --> 0:11:27.059 did that the whole time for him. And I read 0:11:27.059 --> 0:11:29.460 all of his high school books. So by the time 0:11:29.460 --> 0:11:31.290 I got to high school, I'd already read all the 0:11:31.290 --> 0:11:34.200 material and I started doing it for college kids when 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:37.559 I was in high school for money and for beer. 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:39.960 And like we because I used to smoke weed back 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:42.720 in the day. But am I allowed to talk about drugs? 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:45.660 You know, I used to smoke drugs and then I 0:11:45.660 --> 0:11:49.109 still do. So. I guess so. Cool. All right. 0:11:49.950 --> 0:11:53.010 Are you allowed to talk about drugs? But the first 0:11:53.010 --> 0:11:58.290 time we interviewed John in 2017 for episode number 100 0:11:58.290 --> 0:12:01.170 Bad code that I for slash 100 if anybody wants 0:12:01.170 --> 0:12:03.059 to listen to it. We were on video with him 0:12:03.059 --> 0:12:06.480 and he was wrapping his arm about to shoot up. 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:07.500 Oh, shit. 0:12:07.620 --> 0:12:10.170 And on screen we're like watching going, Oh. 0:12:10.559 --> 0:12:12.600 What in the world is this? It was it was 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:14.880 more like, oh, because he literally was putting a tourniquet 0:12:14.880 --> 0:12:17.219 on his arm and he's like, squeezing it. He's getting it. 0:12:17.250 --> 0:12:19.590 It's like pumping it out. Get ready to. And I 0:12:19.590 --> 0:12:22.140 think he realizes like, well, I'm on video and then 0:12:22.140 --> 0:12:24.120 I don't he didn't actually do it, but he did 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:26.310 hit the turning, you know and I don't know if 0:12:26.309 --> 0:12:29.910 that was just shock value. Right. Or we were going 0:12:29.910 --> 0:12:31.530 to see him dancing in the streets, though. It was 0:12:31.530 --> 0:12:32.880 going to be a wild show either way. 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:34.140 It was going to be a lot of it, to 0:12:34.140 --> 0:12:37.980 be honest with John, that he did that. That you 0:12:37.980 --> 0:12:40.849 said that was episode 100. Yeah. What year was this? 0:12:41.640 --> 0:12:46.199 2017, I think, or early 18. So it was he 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:51.150 did 100, 200, 200 in what was like 86. 0:12:51.510 --> 0:12:54.679 Yeah. We thought he was going to be arrested or Epstein's. 0:12:55.260 --> 0:12:56.969 Yeah. Yeah. So we're like, oh, we're not going to 0:12:56.970 --> 0:13:00.479 wait till 300. We're going to have a virtual blockchain week. 0:13:00.480 --> 0:13:03.449 And there was one other and we've had more recently, 0:13:03.450 --> 0:13:05.309 we've had Janis on the show. 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:08.520 If it was 2018, it's kind of funny. I was 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:10.740 the one that got him on that show with you. 0:13:10.740 --> 0:13:12.360 Travis I could show up and I set it up 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:14.579 via email. It's kind of small world. 0:13:14.940 --> 0:13:16.800 But it is a small world, so we're really grateful. 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:18.960 Here we are full circle like crazy right here. 0:13:19.330 --> 0:13:21.600 So I'm going to pull that up right here. And 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:24.630 you can see that bad code that I enforce. I 0:13:24.630 --> 0:13:28.260 saw 100 is March 20th, 2018. So we probably interviewed 0:13:28.260 --> 0:13:33.410 him just a few days before for this episode. And 0:13:33.420 --> 0:13:36.180 it was it was there's yeah, there's a picture. It 0:13:36.179 --> 0:13:36.569 was he. 0:13:36.570 --> 0:13:38.800 Was totally unchained. There was like. 0:13:39.450 --> 0:13:39.719 He was. 0:13:40.020 --> 0:13:43.860 Doing what he was doing. He was going to do heroin, 0:13:44.350 --> 0:13:47.350 like in the interview to this day. And then Joe's like, 0:13:47.370 --> 0:13:49.260 and we got it. And I was like, No, dude, 0:13:49.260 --> 0:13:52.079 that's going to be the thing that you see. John 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:55.490 now he's doing what I think we did edit it. 0:13:55.540 --> 0:13:57.210 I just because it was like, this is not big 0:13:57.210 --> 0:13:59.280 or whatever, but I was like, That was crazy. 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:03.300 That's pure John right there. But to answer your question, sorry, 0:14:03.300 --> 0:14:06.120 I don't I don't think I did to round it out. I, 0:14:06.750 --> 0:14:10.140 you know, after it was writing, you know, grammar school 0:14:10.140 --> 0:14:13.730 and then in high school and I, I hitchhiked across America, 0:14:13.770 --> 0:14:15.990 became homeless on the streets of L.A., ran out of money, 0:14:16.170 --> 0:14:18.120 came from a poor family, no one to bail me out. 0:14:18.330 --> 0:14:20.310 So I just lived on the streets and I decided 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:22.620 I want to tell the story of all these people 0:14:22.950 --> 0:14:26.640 who lived on the streets. Or 51,340 homeless people. I 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:27.650 read I. 0:14:27.750 --> 0:14:30.480 Read it was 5150 5150 was what I thought was 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:30.750 the number. 0:14:31.020 --> 0:14:31.800 Who's your source. 0:14:32.970 --> 0:14:35.640 Of everyone's song for him? Song lists. 0:14:36.420 --> 0:14:39.890 That's never mind, that's that's reputable. We'll stick with that one. 0:14:41.010 --> 0:14:44.430 You shit. So I wanted to I want to talk 0:14:44.430 --> 0:14:47.400 about his mental health. Right. Because like you can see here, 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:51.330 he is doing copious amounts of drugs, doing a ridiculous 0:14:51.330 --> 0:14:55.470 amount of, you know, alcohol. And then all of his 0:14:55.470 --> 0:14:57.570 girls around is like, I ain't talking about LA, but 0:14:57.570 --> 0:15:00.690 let's get together and let's have a nice, crazy time. 0:15:00.810 --> 0:15:04.050 Like what? What was the craziest thing that you saw 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:05.040 that you can talk about? 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:08.880 Shit, that's part of a top ten list. Really? Let 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:11.370 me think. Can I just go through the list? 0:15:11.580 --> 0:15:12.420 Go through the list? 0:15:12.420 --> 0:15:14.730 We love that he's saying, You really got me with 0:15:14.730 --> 0:15:15.990 that question there, Trev. 0:15:16.170 --> 0:15:18.390 That's what he did say. Change that. You change the 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:20.550 the visual so he's in the middle and we can 0:15:20.550 --> 0:15:22.860 turn this one into a fancy little social. Oh, you 0:15:22.860 --> 0:15:24.810 do that So fancy. He's got a top ten. 0:15:25.200 --> 0:15:29.450 Sandwich made here. Top ten. Well, I might not see yet. 0:15:29.580 --> 0:15:32.850 You saw from John McAfee in the two plus three 0:15:32.850 --> 0:15:34.050 years that you were working with that. 0:15:34.530 --> 0:15:37.950 Okay. One, probably when we are on the run from 0:15:37.950 --> 0:15:40.890 the Sinaloa cartel, I didn't believe him. He just had 0:15:41.730 --> 0:15:46.320 he interrogated a girl and made her cry in McDonald's 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:47.040 parking lot. 0:15:47.070 --> 0:15:48.090 What's her name? Jamie. 0:15:48.360 --> 0:15:52.200 Actually, her name's Ryan. Her name was Lizzie Borden, which 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:56.729 didn't know her situation. John had a field day with that. 0:15:56.730 --> 0:15:58.750 He was like, Oh, so you're the famous axe murderer, huh? 0:15:58.860 --> 0:16:01.710 Lizzie Borden? Is that your If that's even your real name? 0:16:01.950 --> 0:16:02.510 And she laughed. 0:16:02.550 --> 0:16:03.600 Yeah, I'm the one. 0:16:03.660 --> 0:16:05.790 It was. It was actually really sad, though. I mean, 0:16:05.790 --> 0:16:07.920 he made the poor girl cry because he he and 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:11.490 the security guys were grilling her, thinking she was a spy. 0:16:11.850 --> 0:16:14.950 Oh, here's the eruption. There you go, John. Going off 0:16:14.980 --> 0:16:16.030 on the ground, making her cry. 0:16:16.750 --> 0:16:22.210 So there's that. Number two, allegedly, I spoke to the 0:16:22.210 --> 0:16:26.260 head of the Sinaloa cartel in central Mexico, own cartel. 0:16:26.260 --> 0:16:28.420 What is the Sinaloa cartel? For those who don't know. 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:33.370 They're the most feared, most dangerous cartel drug cartel in 0:16:33.370 --> 0:16:36.940 the world. And you know the head of it. I 0:16:36.940 --> 0:16:39.820 don't know if he's still ahead. Joaquin El Chapo Guzman. 0:16:40.420 --> 0:16:41.320 El Chapo? 0:16:41.530 --> 0:16:42.600 Yeah. El Chapo doesn't. 0:16:42.610 --> 0:16:44.560 Get him on this show sometime and chat with him 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:46.900 about the crypto space and be like, hey, I'm Chapo. 0:16:46.900 --> 0:16:48.010 I got some Chapo stick. 0:16:50.260 --> 0:16:51.850 Well, like I said in the film, if there's one 0:16:51.850 --> 0:16:53.680 thing I know, you don't fuck with the cartel. And 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:56.200 that's why I played it pretty safe in this book 0:16:56.740 --> 0:16:58.900 without naming names. But yeah, that was a weird time 0:16:59.290 --> 0:17:03.000 talking to the head of the cartel in Central America. 0:17:03.070 --> 0:17:09.580 The guy was supposedly connected to El Chapo himself because 0:17:09.580 --> 0:17:11.730 I didn't believe John. So John got him on the phone. 0:17:11.740 --> 0:17:13.990 He said, Tell him your name. And he told me 0:17:13.990 --> 0:17:15.580 his name. And I looked him up. I had the 0:17:15.580 --> 0:17:18.250 phone in front of me. And yeah, all these news articles, 0:17:18.250 --> 0:17:21.580 there's like a kingpin indictment against them and crazy shit. 0:17:22.090 --> 0:17:24.070 Like El Chapo. He got El Chapo. 0:17:24.070 --> 0:17:25.629 On the phone. No, the other guy. 0:17:26.020 --> 0:17:29.050 There's another guy. Hold on. I'm going to text El 0:17:29.050 --> 0:17:31.060 Chapo real quick. What the. 0:17:31.060 --> 0:17:33.040 Hell? He was in prison. I mean, he probably had 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:35.050 access to a cell phone as you can burrow under 0:17:35.050 --> 0:17:35.650 the prison. 0:17:36.369 --> 0:17:38.530 Okay. Number three right now. 0:17:38.740 --> 0:17:42.939 Number three was being kidnapped in Barcelona. That's not in 0:17:42.940 --> 0:17:47.400 the movie. Against my will. We were kidnapped by these two, 0:17:47.410 --> 0:17:50.109 I think was the Eastern European mob or something. It 0:17:50.109 --> 0:17:52.990 was very sketchy situation. It's sort of a long story. 0:17:52.990 --> 0:17:55.720 But to sum it up, I was in this motorcade, 0:17:55.720 --> 0:17:58.960 bunch of guys with guns driving to an undisclosed location, 0:17:58.960 --> 0:18:02.050 supposedly a villa in Barcelona. But they took me an 0:18:02.050 --> 0:18:04.300 hour outside of Barcelona and I kept saying. 0:18:04.570 --> 0:18:06.930 Put a bag over your head, burlap bag. 0:18:06.940 --> 0:18:09.670 They did it. I expected them to, but they didn't. 0:18:10.060 --> 0:18:12.369 They told me, Hey, guys, where's the. 0:18:12.369 --> 0:18:12.790 Bag. 0:18:13.430 --> 0:18:14.470 Going to bag me? 0:18:14.710 --> 0:18:14.919 Where are. 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:15.700 The refreshments? 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:17.889 We're going to have a we're going to have a 0:18:17.890 --> 0:18:19.930 Sunday afternoon in the park. And all of a sudden 0:18:19.930 --> 0:18:23.770 we're getting we're getting arrested. We're getting accosted by the 0:18:24.250 --> 0:18:27.250 Eastern European mob. I mean, you don't want them after you. 0:18:27.340 --> 0:18:30.640 You don't want El Chapo after you. He's pissing off everybody. 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:33.460 You don't want the government after you. John McAfee pissed 0:18:33.460 --> 0:18:34.330 off everyone. 0:18:34.540 --> 0:18:37.000 He did it. He had a lot of friends, too, though. 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:39.970 We can't forget that in a lot of friends. 0:18:40.570 --> 0:18:46.330 He was very loved for his his honesty. Right. You know, 0:18:46.570 --> 0:18:50.320 being authentic, who he was. And in standing up for 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:55.690 crypto and decentralization and against the the the systems. I mean, 0:18:55.690 --> 0:18:58.720 he was a rebel's rebel. I mean, the dude, the 0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:01.600 dude spit, blood and fire every time he talked. And 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:05.170 it was just like he so that drew a lot 0:19:05.170 --> 0:19:06.040 of people to him. 0:19:06.490 --> 0:19:08.260 And that's why I was drawn to him initially. But 0:19:08.260 --> 0:19:10.660 when I uncovered some of the darker elements of John's 0:19:10.660 --> 0:19:13.149 psyche and history, it just put me off. You know, 0:19:13.150 --> 0:19:16.090 there's certain things I'm a I'm an open minded guy. 0:19:16.090 --> 0:19:21.850 I've worked with, I've worked with. I don't know if 0:19:21.850 --> 0:19:23.740 I'm allowed to say actually, I'm allowed to say my 0:19:23.740 --> 0:19:25.419 my name is going to be on the cover. You know, 0:19:25.420 --> 0:19:29.200 I've worked with drug kingpins before. I currently am working 0:19:29.200 --> 0:19:33.790 with one. I've worked with liars, thieves, murderers. I've worked 0:19:33.790 --> 0:19:38.170 with Ross Ulbricht, who created Silk Road. I've worked with 0:19:38.619 --> 0:19:41.560 really wonderful, good people, too. They're not all bad, but 0:19:41.770 --> 0:19:43.780 I like to reserve judgment. And that's one thing that 0:19:43.780 --> 0:19:46.209 has aided me as a ghostwriters. When I lost my mind, 0:19:46.210 --> 0:19:48.250 it kind of shattered my ego. And to be a 0:19:48.250 --> 0:19:51.130 great ghostwriter, you get to set your own bullshit aside. 0:19:51.150 --> 0:19:54.130 Egocentric ego. Leave it at the door so you can 0:19:54.130 --> 0:19:56.080 get in the shoes of this person and tell their 0:19:56.080 --> 0:19:59.260 story through their eyes. And I had to do that. 0:19:59.260 --> 0:20:01.619 And I did that very effectively with charm. There are 0:20:01.630 --> 0:20:07.260 few lines you don't cross with me. What are those? Clothing? 0:20:07.960 --> 0:20:08.900 We don't have lights. 0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:11.590 One of them is. Do not. 0:20:11.859 --> 0:20:12.760 Tell me. I'll wait. 0:20:14.840 --> 0:20:20.030 Do not murder innocent people and don't rape people. And 0:20:20.570 --> 0:20:23.750 throughout my time with John, I had reason to believe 0:20:23.750 --> 0:20:25.970 that he had done both wrong. 0:20:26.810 --> 0:20:30.020 So do you do you feel like he was responsible 0:20:30.020 --> 0:20:30.950 for the neighbor? 0:20:31.790 --> 0:20:34.669 Yeah, for sure. In fact, it's towards the end of 0:20:34.670 --> 0:20:37.729 my book. I haven't actually talked about it publicly, but. 0:20:38.210 --> 0:20:40.979 Oh, this is a this is a premiere right here, gang. 0:20:41.000 --> 0:20:41.810 First time. 0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:45.770 I'll say. All I really am allowed to say at 0:20:45.770 --> 0:20:49.280 this point is that someone reached out to me after 0:20:49.280 --> 0:20:51.680 the Netflix film dropped. Actually, it was the very next 0:20:51.680 --> 0:20:55.040 morning the Netflix film dropped and there was a guy 0:20:55.220 --> 0:20:57.260 who's work with John in Belize and he said, Hey, 0:20:57.260 --> 0:20:59.840 I was there that night. I know exactly what happened. 0:21:00.320 --> 0:21:01.790 And I can tell you the full story. I've never 0:21:01.790 --> 0:21:04.480 told anybody why. And he said, Can I get a 0:21:04.490 --> 0:21:05.960 can I get you on the call? On a call? 0:21:05.960 --> 0:21:08.660 And I said, Yes. And I talked to him for 0:21:08.660 --> 0:21:13.010 an hour and 45 minutes, recorded the conversation. And I 0:21:13.010 --> 0:21:16.070 discuss the details of that conversation towards the end of 0:21:16.070 --> 0:21:16.550 this book. 0:21:17.210 --> 0:21:19.730 Okay. Well, clearly, we're going to tell everybody, go get 0:21:19.730 --> 0:21:21.320 the book. But I'm going to ask you for that 0:21:21.320 --> 0:21:23.840 one story. Right. Here is the teaser, because it's going 0:21:23.840 --> 0:21:25.179 to be the thing that everybody's going to be like. 0:21:25.190 --> 0:21:26.540 I got to read the rest of what he's got 0:21:26.540 --> 0:21:26.990 to say. 0:21:27.260 --> 0:21:29.840 Mm hmm. And I guess it surprised you. I'm surprised 0:21:29.840 --> 0:21:32.360 that after Belize, when he was on the run, like 0:21:32.359 --> 0:21:34.550 he didn't end up going to Panama or something. You're 0:21:34.550 --> 0:21:34.820 the one. 0:21:34.820 --> 0:21:36.439 You son of a bitch. You got it in. I 0:21:36.440 --> 0:21:37.250 was going to get that. 0:21:38.420 --> 0:21:40.369 Y got to be a son of a bitch. Yeah, 0:21:40.400 --> 0:21:41.000 I'm the one. 0:21:41.390 --> 0:21:42.440 I don't know. Stay frosty. 0:21:42.440 --> 0:21:44.390 Travis. Okay. I'm sorry. So? So. 0:21:45.320 --> 0:21:47.149 Yeah, go ahead. Talk, Alex. 0:21:47.420 --> 0:21:49.699 You want to answer? So it's sort of a long story. 0:21:49.700 --> 0:21:51.230 I'm going to have to give you the short version. 0:21:51.770 --> 0:21:52.570 Bridget for us. 0:21:52.580 --> 0:21:57.139 Sure. Essentially, this guy was there. John admitted to him 0:21:57.530 --> 0:22:00.740 what had happened because, you know, John's dogs were poisoned. 0:22:00.740 --> 0:22:04.189 So this man went with John? No, sorry. John was 0:22:04.220 --> 0:22:08.180 with the girls and stuff. He used to spend on average, 0:22:08.180 --> 0:22:10.280 like 2 hours, one or 2 hours a night with 0:22:10.280 --> 0:22:12.870 each girl in their various rooms on the property. So 0:22:12.869 --> 0:22:14.359 what the guy said, you know. 0:22:14.359 --> 0:22:14.990 Daddy. 0:22:15.390 --> 0:22:17.960 He had a big time. And so at some point. 0:22:18.170 --> 0:22:20.510 How much stamina for him to spend an hour with 0:22:20.510 --> 0:22:23.550 you that I'm going to come over here and that's ass. 0:22:23.600 --> 0:22:24.170 I mean, that's. 0:22:24.430 --> 0:22:24.650 What. 0:22:24.740 --> 0:22:27.050 It seems. The woman that he was like, you know, 0:22:27.050 --> 0:22:28.910 I think I'm hot, the teacher. And he was. 0:22:28.910 --> 0:22:32.660 Talking about like, I'm going to them get it because 0:22:32.660 --> 0:22:36.470 everybody wants to get a library for John McAfee for sure. 0:22:37.369 --> 0:22:39.920 We had a librarian face to That was a funny story. 0:22:40.310 --> 0:22:45.800 So he he his dogs are poison. He was really pissed. Obviously. 0:22:45.900 --> 0:22:52.000 Wouldn't be and. Anyway, my guy, he said that he 0:22:52.000 --> 0:22:56.140 saw tracks in the sand and they led to Gregory 0:22:56.140 --> 0:22:59.260 Falls House. He followed the tracks in the sand from 0:22:59.260 --> 0:23:01.960 where all the dogs were poisoned and vomiting, blood and dying. 0:23:02.440 --> 0:23:04.180 And he followed them all the way to grandma's house. 0:23:04.180 --> 0:23:06.399 And he told John, Hey, look, I'm not saying he 0:23:06.400 --> 0:23:09.070 did it, but I found the tracks leading right to 0:23:09.070 --> 0:23:11.889 his house, and it's around the same time. The prints 0:23:11.890 --> 0:23:15.129 are still fresh because the waves had receded, so the 0:23:15.130 --> 0:23:18.010 sand was wet. You could tell that the prints refreshed, 0:23:18.790 --> 0:23:21.399 which indicated that it was in the same time frame 0:23:21.490 --> 0:23:25.050 and therefore John was pissed. John thought it was great. 0:23:25.330 --> 0:23:28.629 He did it. And so anyway. 0:23:28.720 --> 0:23:31.630 He went vigilante on their ass right there. What was 0:23:31.630 --> 0:23:34.150 new around the. What was the deal about Greg False parrot. 0:23:34.600 --> 0:23:37.650 Is it because he had a parrot? Yeah. It's something 0:23:37.660 --> 0:23:39.670 that he. That dog that night of the dog. Kill 0:23:39.670 --> 0:23:41.170 the parrot or something? I don't remember. 0:23:41.320 --> 0:23:44.230 I didn't really hear much about the parrot, except that 0:23:44.650 --> 0:23:46.600 one of the dogs freaked out and tried to get 0:23:46.600 --> 0:23:49.720 at it and upset Greg because, you know, that was 0:23:49.720 --> 0:23:51.909 his best friend right there on the shoulder. So he's like, What? 0:23:52.090 --> 0:23:53.170 All right, get out of here. 0:23:53.200 --> 0:23:55.180 He was a true pirate. They're hanging out in Belize 0:23:55.180 --> 0:23:56.199 with his parents and stuff. 0:23:56.619 --> 0:23:58.740 I guess so. I don't really know what happened there. 0:23:58.790 --> 0:24:02.540 That's a good question. But. So the end of that 0:24:02.540 --> 0:24:05.959 story is that John was always with the girls every night. 0:24:06.500 --> 0:24:08.989 Every night that the guy worked with, John was like 0:24:09.020 --> 0:24:10.970 about a month at this point. He was working with him. 0:24:11.450 --> 0:24:16.310 And the night of false murder, he wasn't there. John 0:24:16.310 --> 0:24:21.020 was completely unaccounted for, which was strange. And anyway, he 0:24:21.020 --> 0:24:24.310 got on the phone with a guy. You got on 0:24:24.310 --> 0:24:27.639 the phone with the guy before John? I'm sorry. Before 0:24:27.640 --> 0:24:30.100 Greg was murdered that morning, he said, I don't fucking 0:24:30.100 --> 0:24:32.740 care where you are. You get on like Tropicana Air 0:24:32.770 --> 0:24:36.160 and you get your ass here right now. Right fucking now. 0:24:36.430 --> 0:24:41.830 And he hung up. And the next day, the next day, 0:24:41.830 --> 0:24:45.850 Eddie McCoy shows up and my guys introduced John as 0:24:45.850 --> 0:24:52.250 a low. And anyway, he. Like I said that. The 0:24:52.250 --> 0:24:55.730 next morning after Gregory Falls murdered, he saw this commotion 0:24:56.150 --> 0:24:58.560 and John was playing in the pool with Samantha and 0:24:58.760 --> 0:25:02.240 laughing and just like throwing a beach ball or something, 0:25:02.250 --> 0:25:04.610 having a grand old time while all this crazy commotion 0:25:04.609 --> 0:25:07.070 was going on up next door. And my guy went 0:25:07.070 --> 0:25:08.840 over to him and he said, Hey, John, I think 0:25:09.140 --> 0:25:13.040 something happened to that guy, Greg, you know, And John 0:25:13.580 --> 0:25:16.220 kind of like lowered his head and he was like, Yeah, 0:25:16.550 --> 0:25:18.619 and he was just supposed to scare him. He wasn't 0:25:18.619 --> 0:25:23.040 supposed to shoot him. And, you know, my guy went 0:25:23.090 --> 0:25:25.040 wide eyed. He's like, I'm going to go to my 0:25:25.040 --> 0:25:27.470 room now. So he went to his room. Eventually, he 0:25:27.470 --> 0:25:29.480 got arrested, along with some of the other members of 0:25:29.490 --> 0:25:33.740 the household. John went on the run, etc.. And I 0:25:33.740 --> 0:25:37.520 think his name is Cashin told my guy that not 0:25:37.520 --> 0:25:41.540 only had John ordered the hit, but he had also 0:25:41.540 --> 0:25:45.409 ordered the hit on an unnamed American expat in the 0:25:45.410 --> 0:25:47.990 south of Belize. So it was yet another guy who 0:25:47.990 --> 0:25:51.620 John had killed. And then there's David Middleton. There is 0:25:51.619 --> 0:25:53.840 in my book profile that John admitted to me. There's 0:25:53.840 --> 0:25:57.530 a white lobster guy, white lobsters, cocaine that washes up 0:25:57.530 --> 0:26:00.199 on shore because that's how they do some of their 0:26:00.200 --> 0:26:03.560 drug runs. They they tie him to booze, kilos and 0:26:03.560 --> 0:26:06.500 kilos of cocaine. If they get dislodged, they wash up 0:26:06.500 --> 0:26:09.949 on shore and villagers or something take anything that they're dead. 0:26:10.400 --> 0:26:14.600 And some white lobster guy thought John had stolen his cocaine, 0:26:14.600 --> 0:26:16.910 which is oxymoronic because John was a millionaire and had 0:26:16.910 --> 0:26:20.389 all the cocaine he could want. So John had to 0:26:20.390 --> 0:26:21.409 have him killed as well. 0:26:21.950 --> 0:26:24.199 And then they got how many people do you think 0:26:24.770 --> 0:26:27.650 reached met their maker as a result of John magazine? 0:26:29.000 --> 0:26:32.450 If if everything told to me is true and B five, 0:26:32.600 --> 0:26:35.360 and that is if John did, in fact kill his father, 0:26:35.359 --> 0:26:37.520 which was told to me, I'm not going to say 0:26:37.520 --> 0:26:39.500 that I proved that I didn't. But it was told 0:26:39.500 --> 0:26:41.899 to me in confidence. And so that would be five 0:26:41.900 --> 0:26:43.460 people to get around. 0:26:43.460 --> 0:26:45.740 John And you're like, Somebody get me a doctor. 0:26:47.750 --> 0:26:48.379 And so he. 0:26:48.380 --> 0:26:50.300 Got me here on this one. I'm I'm a little 0:26:50.300 --> 0:26:53.330 I'm a little shooken up, you know. So I guess 0:26:53.330 --> 0:26:55.310 technically six because he offed himself. 0:26:56.030 --> 0:26:57.139 Right? Allegedly. 0:26:57.680 --> 0:26:58.710 Which is to. 0:26:58.760 --> 0:27:02.000 A great question. You know, we had Janis on the show. 0:27:02.000 --> 0:27:05.629 I asked so many questions, actually, because Janis was hardly 0:27:05.630 --> 0:27:08.230 in the documentary. And I learned about, you know, this 0:27:08.240 --> 0:27:12.350 this other woman, Samantha Herrera, that you were hanging out 0:27:12.350 --> 0:27:16.550 with and that you're along with and like. So. All right, 0:27:16.820 --> 0:27:19.609 first question then is about the girls that come on 0:27:19.609 --> 0:27:22.639 to share for those who are watching the video. This 0:27:22.640 --> 0:27:26.030 is the the article that I pulled up here on 0:27:26.330 --> 0:27:30.080 prime time recom netflix john mcafee doc filmmakers accused of 0:27:30.080 --> 0:27:34.400 questionable tactics because in the film samantha and you could 0:27:34.400 --> 0:27:37.190 see on the video for those you're watching which shows 0:27:37.190 --> 0:27:40.460 is one of his girlfriends. At the end of it, 0:27:40.820 --> 0:27:45.380 she says she got a call from Texas from saying 0:27:45.470 --> 0:27:48.860 that from John and saying that he was still alive. 0:27:48.859 --> 0:27:53.419 This was after he was allegedly. And but I guess 0:27:53.420 --> 0:27:58.790 she said this was taken out of context. So first 0:27:58.790 --> 0:28:04.760 question is about that and then your opinion, because Janis 0:28:04.760 --> 0:28:07.100 says they've not seen the body yet, is there a 0:28:07.100 --> 0:28:10.460 chance that he's still alive and just in hiding? 0:28:11.790 --> 0:28:15.390 So about that. I'm not really sure how you can 0:28:15.390 --> 0:28:18.690 take that quote out of context. When you ask someone explicitly, 0:28:18.690 --> 0:28:22.350 do you think he's still alive? And then she says explicitly, 0:28:22.350 --> 0:28:26.250 I received a call. Weeks after his death. I mean, 0:28:26.460 --> 0:28:28.949 the context is already there. The context came out of 0:28:28.950 --> 0:28:31.439 her own mouth. So I'm really not sure what the 0:28:31.440 --> 0:28:32.350 argument is there. 0:28:32.369 --> 0:28:36.389 Well, what she said is here I got a call 0:28:36.390 --> 0:28:39.750 from Texas from someone saying it was John who said 0:28:39.750 --> 0:28:40.830 he was still alive. 0:28:41.220 --> 0:28:42.300 Oh, I could see that. 0:28:42.540 --> 0:28:44.640 I would have filmmakers that I didn't know if it 0:28:44.640 --> 0:28:47.100 was him or someone posing as him. I said that 0:28:47.100 --> 0:28:48.900 on the film, but it wasn't used. 0:28:49.350 --> 0:28:52.469 So I got a call from someone in Texas, not 0:28:52.470 --> 0:28:53.280 a call from just. 0:28:53.490 --> 0:28:56.630 Clint claiming they were John. And I'm thinking, you know what? 0:28:56.640 --> 0:28:59.820 You would know his voice. How would you not know? 0:29:00.210 --> 0:29:02.670 And you wouldn't be in Texas. He wouldn't be in Texas? 0:29:02.940 --> 0:29:04.980 No, no, of course not. Even he would not go 0:29:04.980 --> 0:29:06.990 back to America. The one place that he was worried 0:29:06.990 --> 0:29:09.870 about getting extradited to, he would be in the Far 0:29:09.870 --> 0:29:11.490 East somewhere looking like a king. 0:29:12.480 --> 0:29:13.200 But the body. 0:29:13.410 --> 0:29:15.240 Has not been turned over yet. 0:29:15.480 --> 0:29:16.050 Well, I'll tell you. 0:29:16.680 --> 0:29:17.820 Yeah. What's going on here? 0:29:17.850 --> 0:29:20.370 I'll give you some more context there. And, you know, 0:29:20.370 --> 0:29:22.500 she had any doubts whatsoever? I don't think I would 0:29:22.500 --> 0:29:27.060 have brought it up myself. In the weeks after John died. 0:29:27.570 --> 0:29:31.110 I got a telegram notification, said John. Mark is join Telegram. 0:29:31.630 --> 0:29:32.620 I thought, What the fuck? 0:29:34.260 --> 0:29:34.770 That was so. 0:29:34.770 --> 0:29:37.050 Weird. Yeah, because I still had John's number and I 0:29:37.050 --> 0:29:40.170 wrote to the guy, woman, whomever, and I said, Hey, 0:29:40.190 --> 0:29:42.390 you know, you're using a dead guy's phone right now. 0:29:42.390 --> 0:29:45.170 Who are you? And he read the message. Didn't respond. 0:29:45.300 --> 0:29:47.510 I think it was a few hours later that the 0:29:47.550 --> 0:29:50.970 account was deleted. So I thought maybe that was Janice 0:29:50.970 --> 0:29:54.240 who had the the phone. Maybe it was the feds. 0:29:55.440 --> 0:29:57.810 Maybe it was John. I don't know. And I'll never know. 0:29:57.900 --> 0:29:58.920 And I'm okay with that. 0:29:59.410 --> 0:30:02.790 So. So you don't know. You don't have feelings. Maybe 0:30:02.790 --> 0:30:04.320 he's dead, and maybe he's not. 0:30:04.350 --> 0:30:06.570 I have feelings. Yeah, I believe he's dead, for sure. 0:30:06.930 --> 0:30:10.200 You do? Yeah. I mean, he died 2 hours after 0:30:10.200 --> 0:30:12.570 it was announced that he was going to be extradited 0:30:12.570 --> 0:30:16.740 to America, where he was facing serious charges. And given 0:30:16.740 --> 0:30:18.480 what he knew, at least what he told me, that 0:30:18.480 --> 0:30:22.230 he knew, he probably could have started singing like a 0:30:22.230 --> 0:30:25.170 bird and gotten a community sentence. And maybe certain people 0:30:25.170 --> 0:30:26.880 were afraid that he was going to do that. So 0:30:26.880 --> 0:30:27.240 they had to. 0:30:27.240 --> 0:30:30.060 But allegedly there was a dead switch anyway, that all 0:30:30.060 --> 0:30:33.150 this information that, you know, his room has all of 0:30:33.150 --> 0:30:37.740 this and what's been released. So was that all bogus? 0:30:37.740 --> 0:30:38.800 He didn't have anything. 0:30:38.820 --> 0:30:41.280 We talked about his Deadman's switch a few times. In fact, 0:30:41.280 --> 0:30:45.000 it's in the book, too. And he mentioned I asked him, 0:30:45.000 --> 0:30:47.160 you know, after he told me some crazy things, like 0:30:47.160 --> 0:30:49.140 he had built up a backdoor in his software to 0:30:49.140 --> 0:30:51.600 spy on everyone. I asked him, John, why don't you 0:30:51.600 --> 0:30:54.000 release this information? He said, Because if I do, I'm 0:30:54.000 --> 0:30:55.520 a dead man. But when I was. 0:30:55.550 --> 0:30:57.140 On D.O.A., baby. Yeah, yeah. 0:30:57.540 --> 0:30:59.850 He said, But when I do die, whether it's by 0:30:59.850 --> 0:31:03.350 accident or it's natural causes or it's not an accident, 0:31:03.360 --> 0:31:06.390 he said this information will be released out. He told 0:31:06.390 --> 0:31:09.000 me it was in the it was in law offices, 0:31:09.000 --> 0:31:12.090 like five different law offices all around the world with 0:31:12.090 --> 0:31:16.380 trusted lawyers who were going to bring that material forward. 0:31:16.380 --> 0:31:18.290 And he said it was with other people as well. 0:31:18.300 --> 0:31:21.360 And he didn't tell me who. But, you know, we 0:31:21.360 --> 0:31:24.120 talked about it at one point. And he did mention, 0:31:24.120 --> 0:31:26.580 you know, I said to them, why are you afraid? 0:31:26.580 --> 0:31:28.140 You know, these people are going to kill you. And 0:31:28.140 --> 0:31:30.570 he said, Well, Alex, what if there's this tactical operation 0:31:30.930 --> 0:31:35.070 and everybody, you know, hits my dead men, switches my 0:31:35.070 --> 0:31:38.640 locations at once, they take them, they get the word out, 0:31:38.640 --> 0:31:41.100 they say, Yeah, 15 minutes. We got all of them. 0:31:41.400 --> 0:31:44.130 Let's take them out and then kill me. He said, 0:31:44.130 --> 0:31:46.140 I won't know what the fuck is going on. I 0:31:46.140 --> 0:31:49.350 won't know it will be. You know what? Nobody's going 0:31:49.350 --> 0:31:51.010 to let me know if they get all of them. 0:31:51.010 --> 0:31:53.729 And once they take them all at once, then I'm 0:31:53.730 --> 0:31:54.060 a dead. 0:31:56.690 --> 0:31:58.400 Wow. It's out. You got to watch out for that 0:31:58.400 --> 0:32:01.430 mean streak. I'll tell you what. You know, watching this 0:32:01.430 --> 0:32:04.100 thing and again, as George said, you got to watch 0:32:04.400 --> 0:32:09.320 this documentary. The book just came out today. And the documentary, 0:32:09.320 --> 0:32:11.420 what about about an hour and a half or so? 0:32:13.190 --> 0:32:15.860 Take a look at it. Watch it in the end 0:32:15.860 --> 0:32:18.650 of what's going on, because John McAfee was on a 0:32:18.650 --> 0:32:21.110 wild ride, folks. He was on a while. 0:32:21.230 --> 0:32:23.300 Here's the book, by the way. The book is titled 0:32:23.300 --> 0:32:27.020 Different The Man Who Hacked the World A Ghostwriters Descent 0:32:27.020 --> 0:32:32.090 into Madness with John Malcolm's date, November 15th, 2022. I 0:32:32.090 --> 0:32:33.739 don't know who else has bought it, but I'm going 0:32:33.740 --> 0:32:36.950 to go ahead and support right now. You guys don't 0:32:36.950 --> 0:32:39.260 need to see my password to log in and stuff, 0:32:39.260 --> 0:32:41.240 but I'm going to go ahead and pick up a 0:32:41.240 --> 0:32:43.940 copy here and have it shipped to Puerto Rico, because 0:32:43.940 --> 0:32:45.350 it sounds like an amazing read. 0:32:45.680 --> 0:32:47.090 Thanks, man. I appreciate that. 0:32:48.180 --> 0:32:51.000 Maybe. Maybe I'm number one who. 0:32:51.000 --> 0:32:54.510 But I think that you are an atomic punk. I'm 0:32:54.510 --> 0:32:55.050 saying that. 0:32:55.380 --> 0:32:57.209 It's been on pre-sale for a couple of months, and 0:32:57.210 --> 0:32:59.280 I guess it's in the top 5% of sales or 0:32:59.280 --> 0:33:01.550 something that they've ever had. And just because. 0:33:01.560 --> 0:33:02.640 The surprise me. 0:33:02.850 --> 0:33:03.780 Doesn't surprise. 0:33:03.780 --> 0:33:05.520 Me, I mean, it's that they've ever. 0:33:05.520 --> 0:33:06.030 Had. 0:33:06.630 --> 0:33:08.970 Yeah, that's yeah, it's in the history of the publisher. 0:33:09.120 --> 0:33:10.740 So I guess it's mostly. 0:33:10.740 --> 0:33:11.370 To my brother. 0:33:12.460 --> 0:33:14.770 I guess so. I don't know. We'll see if it sucks. 0:33:15.160 --> 0:33:16.480 Maybe it does. Who knows? 0:33:16.930 --> 0:33:17.270 I don't know. 0:33:17.410 --> 0:33:19.030 I mean, it sure doesn't. 0:33:19.420 --> 0:33:21.250 Yeah, I'm sure it does. Anything else you'd like folks 0:33:21.250 --> 0:33:24.170 to know about John McAfee in this crazy journey you 0:33:24.170 --> 0:33:24.520 were on? 0:33:25.330 --> 0:33:28.060 Shit. I don't know. That's a that's a big question. 0:33:30.160 --> 0:33:33.430 We're like, big questions. The bad crypto podcast, because we're 0:33:33.430 --> 0:33:36.430 human beings, humans being. Isn't that the title? 0:33:36.490 --> 0:33:40.270 Human human being is being. How many have we covered? 0:33:40.280 --> 0:33:41.440 We've got at least 20. 0:33:41.740 --> 0:33:43.530 I don't know. Somebody out there is counting. Maybe. 0:33:44.470 --> 0:33:46.690 And if you guys need like a ticker every time 0:33:46.690 --> 0:33:50.410 the reference that's made with like Eddie Van Halen's face 0:33:50.410 --> 0:33:53.050 popping up, you know, like rocking out, you should do that. 0:33:53.050 --> 0:33:53.470 I can. 0:33:54.910 --> 0:33:56.890 Stage swing it across and battle. 0:33:56.920 --> 0:33:59.920 It. Well, yeah, I can answer that question with a 0:34:00.100 --> 0:34:04.480 hopefully half decent answer. So John is one of those 0:34:04.480 --> 0:34:07.660 rare people in the world who is unquantifiable. You can't 0:34:07.660 --> 0:34:11.080 ever solve the mystery of John. I spent 430 pages 0:34:11.080 --> 0:34:12.910 trying to do so, and I spent six months with 0:34:12.910 --> 0:34:15.609 him and have more time with him than any other writer. 0:34:15.610 --> 0:34:19.720 Representative Media and I still barely scratched the surface because 0:34:19.719 --> 0:34:23.529 he is so adding back. So I was was so brilliant. 0:34:23.570 --> 0:34:27.250 I was so disturbed. You know, he's he's probably going 0:34:27.250 --> 0:34:29.500 to be an enduring mystery. And I think that's why people. 0:34:30.840 --> 0:34:33.150 You know, have flocked to the film and why people 0:34:33.150 --> 0:34:36.740 are buying the book because they love mysteries. And you 0:34:36.780 --> 0:34:37.770 got one here with John. 0:34:40.180 --> 0:34:43.630 That is. That is for sure. So when we had Janis, 0:34:43.630 --> 0:34:47.620 you know, we've assumed that Janice's, his wife, did. Now, 0:34:47.620 --> 0:34:49.899 I don't know if legally at least you know by 0:34:49.900 --> 0:34:53.529 the state if that's true or not. But I did 0:34:53.530 --> 0:34:57.160 not realize that he had this other girlfriend. And like, 0:34:57.160 --> 0:34:59.380 what were the dynamics of that? Were they there at 0:34:59.380 --> 0:35:02.979 the same time, or was there a crossover where he 0:35:02.980 --> 0:35:05.470 was no longer with Samantha and he was with Janice? 0:35:06.100 --> 0:35:08.150 So that was before my time. But I know the story, 0:35:08.150 --> 0:35:11.380 and this is 2012. John was with five or six 0:35:11.620 --> 0:35:14.320 younger girls at that period of time, and he went 0:35:14.320 --> 0:35:17.109 to Miami and he was at the News Cafe and 0:35:17.110 --> 0:35:18.009 he met James on top. 0:35:18.010 --> 0:35:20.140 Of the world, Miami, four or five women at the 0:35:20.140 --> 0:35:20.800 same time. 0:35:21.790 --> 0:35:23.680 He was having a ball, but he met Janice. And 0:35:24.880 --> 0:35:26.560 I don't know if you would call it love, but 0:35:26.560 --> 0:35:28.940 they had something that. I've never. 0:35:29.210 --> 0:35:31.430 Seen before. I want to love all five at the 0:35:31.430 --> 0:35:34.040 same time. You know what? God bless you, John. 0:35:34.190 --> 0:35:36.649 He saw her and he was like, Oh, pretty woman. 0:35:36.739 --> 0:35:39.469 Mm hmm. Then, you know, you got to understand in 0:35:39.469 --> 0:35:42.920 this relates to the question earlier about Sam's. He had 0:35:42.920 --> 0:35:46.130 promised Sam the world. He promised her uncle he was 0:35:46.130 --> 0:35:47.719 going to marry her. He promised her he was going 0:35:47.719 --> 0:35:50.650 to marry her because she came from like a you know, 0:35:50.660 --> 0:35:53.630 from poverty. Right. She she wanted a life and a 0:35:53.630 --> 0:35:55.880 future with him. And then he met Janis and he 0:35:55.880 --> 0:35:58.790 threw it all away. He didn't ever go back to Sam. 0:35:59.210 --> 0:36:02.719 And so that's what happened. And I think it's partly 0:36:02.719 --> 0:36:04.730 why she brought that up in the movie is she 0:36:04.730 --> 0:36:07.550 wanted to hold on to some last little piece of 0:36:07.550 --> 0:36:10.560 John that she had, even if it was fabricated. You know, 0:36:10.700 --> 0:36:14.000 and maybe it was like a slight a slight to Janis, 0:36:14.010 --> 0:36:17.510 you know, like he called me, not you, you know, 0:36:17.510 --> 0:36:19.820 like he he called me saying he want to run 0:36:19.820 --> 0:36:24.770 away with me. But, you know, in my opinion, John 0:36:24.770 --> 0:36:27.049 left a lot of people. He abandoned a lot of people. 0:36:27.050 --> 0:36:29.540 He actually did hurt a lot of people. And she 0:36:29.540 --> 0:36:30.850 was one of them, you know. 0:36:31.610 --> 0:36:33.560 Left a lot of people wanting him to finish what 0:36:33.560 --> 0:36:37.250 he started. And he just not doing that. Wow. I'll 0:36:37.270 --> 0:36:41.330 tell you what's a wild, wild, wild story. And now 0:36:41.330 --> 0:36:44.270 you got a book coming out today and you can 0:36:44.270 --> 0:36:46.219 learn a little bit more about that, I would say. 0:36:46.219 --> 0:36:47.060 Bottoms up, brother. 0:36:47.510 --> 0:36:50.120 Yeah. If you haven't seen the documentary yet, go to 0:36:50.120 --> 0:36:54.049 Netflix and watch Running with the Devil. It's an amazing documentary. 0:36:54.080 --> 0:36:59.359 You can see Alex's website at Alex Foster Ghostwriter dot com. 0:36:59.630 --> 0:37:02.900 And then the book, The Man Who Hacked the World. See, 0:37:02.900 --> 0:37:05.330 there's the proof. You purchased a hardcover form out of 0:37:05.330 --> 0:37:08.850 this today. A ghost rider. Descent into Madness with John McAfee. 0:37:08.870 --> 0:37:12.950 And just a quick note here that as a ghostwriter 0:37:12.950 --> 0:37:17.480 for many years, you have a course ghostwriting university dot com. 0:37:17.719 --> 0:37:20.540 If you want to find out how to get paid 0:37:20.780 --> 0:37:24.230 to write words and do stuff. Alex's got that here 0:37:24.230 --> 0:37:26.920 as well. So I recommend you guys go check it out. 0:37:26.930 --> 0:37:30.350 There is definitely big business and writing for other people. 0:37:30.890 --> 0:37:35.180 I should know because I've used ghostwriters multiple times for, 0:37:35.480 --> 0:37:38.089 for my words as well. You know, you can you 0:37:38.090 --> 0:37:41.480 can take your the concepts from the subject of the 0:37:41.480 --> 0:37:45.200 book and have somebody who's more disciplined and better at 0:37:45.200 --> 0:37:49.730 paragraphs and punctuation put it all together for you a weave, 0:37:49.730 --> 0:37:53.630 a narrative. And at least on my books, I always 0:37:53.630 --> 0:37:55.580 go in and make sure, Yep, I would say it 0:37:55.580 --> 0:37:58.430 like that. Or no, that's I didn't. I wouldn't mean that. 0:37:58.430 --> 0:38:00.080 I would never say that. This is what I said. 0:38:00.080 --> 0:38:03.560 Make sure that it's accurate. But it saves a lot 0:38:03.560 --> 0:38:06.410 of time, especially if, you know, I can I can 0:38:06.410 --> 0:38:10.070 pound out an article in no time, sit me down 0:38:10.070 --> 0:38:12.350 on my laptop and you want a thousand words on 0:38:12.350 --> 0:38:14.750 whatever the topic is. I'm like, But tell me, I 0:38:14.750 --> 0:38:18.259 got to write 50,000 words and I just like, I 0:38:18.260 --> 0:38:20.060 want to shoot myself. I just, you know. 0:38:20.480 --> 0:38:22.550 That's what we were talking about it. Yeah, you were 0:38:22.550 --> 0:38:26.870 talking about recording your voice, interviewing with the person that's there, 0:38:26.870 --> 0:38:29.750 actually your words, how you transcribe your words. Here are 0:38:29.750 --> 0:38:32.540 my words. Put them together coherently and I'll go back. 0:38:32.540 --> 0:38:34.310 And that's the smart way to do it. I actually 0:38:34.310 --> 0:38:36.680 when I wrote my book, I used I used Google 0:38:36.680 --> 0:38:40.050 Docs and and spoke my book and then it translated 0:38:40.050 --> 0:38:42.020 it really easily. Then I went back in and edit. 0:38:42.770 --> 0:38:45.680 I learned that from Alex Mendoza, an Internet marketer, many 0:38:45.680 --> 0:38:48.170 years ago. He called it writing at the speed of 0:38:48.170 --> 0:38:52.729 sound where you dictate your book and then transcribe it 0:38:52.730 --> 0:38:55.820 and then work through it. So Alex, what would you 0:38:55.820 --> 0:38:59.570 say to aspiring ghostwriters out there? 0:38:59.989 --> 0:39:04.219 It's the best kept secret of the literary industry. You know, 80% 0:39:04.580 --> 0:39:07.339 of nonfiction books are written by people like me, and 0:39:07.700 --> 0:39:10.069 it's an amazing job. It doesn't really feel like a job. 0:39:10.160 --> 0:39:12.529 You know, you travel the world, you meet fascinating people. 0:39:12.860 --> 0:39:14.720 You make really good money. If you're great at what 0:39:14.719 --> 0:39:17.300 you do, make a quarter million a year, half a 0:39:17.300 --> 0:39:21.200 million a year. You know, I just partnered with James 0:39:21.200 --> 0:39:24.200 Patterson's co-author, and we're going to start spearheading a new 0:39:24.200 --> 0:39:27.469 fiction series and try to emulate James Patterson's writing empire. 0:39:27.710 --> 0:39:30.710 Yes, he's amazing. He's amazing. I read the John Lennon 0:39:30.950 --> 0:39:34.370 book that basically that went in that whole process of 0:39:34.370 --> 0:39:38.779 John Lennon. And then the parallel universe was Mark David Chapman. 0:39:39.050 --> 0:39:41.420 And it talked about how John Lennon has gone through 0:39:41.420 --> 0:39:42.980 the Beatles. And I was there and at the same 0:39:42.980 --> 0:39:45.980 time a million things. And then here's Mark David Chapman, 0:39:45.980 --> 0:39:48.550 and then they collided on the street of noon. It 0:39:48.600 --> 0:39:52.009 was it was one of the best books that I've 0:39:52.070 --> 0:39:54.560 sort of read as a nonfiction, sort of a real 0:39:54.560 --> 0:39:57.710 story about a sad topic, because I was John Lennon 0:39:57.710 --> 0:40:00.290 would have been around these last 40 years also as 0:40:00.290 --> 0:40:02.989 Jimi Hendrix would have been around to everybody else. Condi. 0:40:02.989 --> 0:40:06.020 But those two are really shit. 0:40:06.020 --> 0:40:07.460 I didn't even know about that book. I got to 0:40:07.460 --> 0:40:08.030 check it out. 0:40:08.210 --> 0:40:09.500 That's called Let's Get It Right. 0:40:09.890 --> 0:40:11.930 Everybody else can buy you What are you live on 0:40:11.930 --> 0:40:12.560 Main Street? 0:40:12.680 --> 0:40:15.620 Traverse is everybody is going to die eventually. Joel I 0:40:15.620 --> 0:40:17.569 don't know if you know that, but eventually nobody makes 0:40:17.570 --> 0:40:19.560 it off of this rock like that. Hey, Alex Smith. 0:40:19.969 --> 0:40:21.859 And it's true. I want to say thank you. This 0:40:21.860 --> 0:40:23.810 interview was not great, but it was good enough. 0:40:24.590 --> 0:40:28.870 Good? As long as I wasn't bad, I. So I 0:40:28.870 --> 0:40:30.930 figured it would be a good analogy. 0:40:31.390 --> 0:40:33.730 I just want to say pound cake. 0:40:34.739 --> 0:40:35.550 I will eat some. 0:40:37.320 --> 0:40:39.700 I didn't even count the number of Van Halen references. 0:40:39.719 --> 0:40:42.419 There's a lot. Maybe you guys can write us back 0:40:42.570 --> 0:40:47.160 or podcasts at gmail.com and let us know how many 0:40:47.160 --> 0:40:50.370 songs we reference. Feel free to list them all out. 0:40:50.820 --> 0:40:53.700 Mm hmm. Yeah. Or tweet us. I think that that 0:40:53.700 --> 0:40:57.509 there's at least there's at least 25. 0:40:57.950 --> 0:41:00.980 Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot. We pulled them. 0:41:01.030 --> 0:41:02.910 Some of them you probably don't even. Even. They might 0:41:02.910 --> 0:41:04.859 not have said because we were pretty smooth on how 0:41:05.100 --> 0:41:07.980 we set them. Ours was obvious that we were dropping 0:41:07.980 --> 0:41:11.390 a reference, but that's just the way it is. Who? 0:41:11.580 --> 0:41:13.620 Who was better cast, as is. 0:41:14.070 --> 0:41:15.779 David Lee Roth or Sammy Hagar? 0:41:16.830 --> 0:41:19.739 Oh, you know, I think both of them have their 0:41:20.100 --> 0:41:23.580 their pick one. You have to pick one. Well, it 0:41:23.580 --> 0:41:27.000 would always be David Lee Roth. Of course, Van Halen 0:41:27.000 --> 0:41:30.420 wasn't Van Halen until I mean, David Lee Roth was there. 0:41:30.420 --> 0:41:33.450 And like those first seven albums were amazing and they 0:41:33.450 --> 0:41:35.339 dropped or six albums or whatever it is they just 0:41:35.340 --> 0:41:39.690 dropped and boom, boom, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83. 0:41:40.110 --> 0:41:42.780 Almost every year they drop one, which is where they 0:41:42.780 --> 0:41:47.839 were never number one until 1984, or they was almost 0:41:48.030 --> 0:41:50.489 number one in 1984. And they didn't quite because like 0:41:50.700 --> 0:41:55.590 Michael Jackson or something. But then then Van Hagar happens 0:41:55.590 --> 0:41:57.420 and then they get a bunch of number ones. I 0:41:57.420 --> 0:42:00.330 think that's just a result of all the hard work 0:42:00.330 --> 0:42:02.850 they put in. Now, I do think that Dave got 0:42:02.850 --> 0:42:05.520 his big ego in place and he was he was 0:42:05.520 --> 0:42:07.800 having a lot of fun making these videos and he says, 0:42:07.800 --> 0:42:09.840 You know what? I want to go do my own 0:42:09.840 --> 0:42:14.070 thing and be Hollywood, Dave, and do all these videos and. 0:42:14.670 --> 0:42:16.469 And then he just had a really big ego. And 0:42:16.469 --> 0:42:18.000 I could see why they kicked him out because his 0:42:18.000 --> 0:42:20.700 head was huge. Even whenever they brought him back after 0:42:20.700 --> 0:42:24.509 they let Hagar go and he came back for a 0:42:24.510 --> 0:42:27.870 tour and he was This is my night is all 0:42:27.870 --> 0:42:30.719 about me, you know, and it's not. And they kicked 0:42:30.719 --> 0:42:33.120 him out again and they got Gary to run. And 0:42:33.120 --> 0:42:36.299 then finally they brought him back. After Dave, his ego 0:42:36.450 --> 0:42:40.620 was released. The best showman, one of the best, if 0:42:40.620 --> 0:42:44.590 not the best showman in rock and roll. David Lee Roth. Now, 0:42:44.610 --> 0:42:50.490 I do think that Mick Jagger, amazing, probably the best, 0:42:50.790 --> 0:42:54.930 but holy shit, like Van Halen's as a live guy who. 0:42:55.410 --> 0:42:59.700 Yeah, I think Sammy was a suitable replacement, but Van 0:42:59.700 --> 0:43:03.420 Hagar was not better than the original Van. 0:43:03.420 --> 0:43:06.120 Halen, and maybe he sold more albums there during that 0:43:06.120 --> 0:43:11.160 time or had higher ratings. But overall, David Lee Roth 0:43:11.160 --> 0:43:12.090 is spectacular. 0:43:12.390 --> 0:43:14.339 So as long as we were talking about John McAfee, 0:43:14.340 --> 0:43:17.790 we still have in the Bad Crypto Nifty Club some 0:43:17.790 --> 0:43:23.190 of these exclusive classic clips from our first interview with 0:43:23.190 --> 0:43:27.719 John McAfee. 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You know, I. 0:47:00.290 --> 0:47:05.330 Remember hearing those songs when they were new because I 0:47:05.330 --> 0:47:09.440 was listening to AM FM radio, when I remember when 0:47:09.440 --> 0:47:10.549 Van Halen first came. 0:47:10.550 --> 0:47:12.469 Out and I was This. 0:47:12.469 --> 0:47:14.149 Rocks, and then you would just look forward. 0:47:14.160 --> 0:47:15.229 If anyone's got a new. 0:47:15.230 --> 0:47:17.120 Album, you'd hear. And I got to tell you, when 0:47:17.120 --> 0:47:20.780 Jump came out, I was not impressed. I thought, Oh, 0:47:20.840 --> 0:47:24.920 they're going synth. Like everybody else in the eighties. And 0:47:24.920 --> 0:47:28.460 Jump is not Jump is fun, but it doesn't rock 0:47:28.460 --> 0:47:30.920 the way earlier stuff does. 0:47:31.489 --> 0:47:32.990 Mm hmm. Oh, I think that was the some getting 0:47:32.989 --> 0:47:35.690 a little Hollywood. They started thinking about what can we 0:47:35.690 --> 0:47:38.990 do for our videos, what can we do to do 0:47:39.550 --> 0:47:41.750 to remain relevant and think about it? You know, that's 0:47:41.810 --> 0:47:43.760 they've been doing it for a while. They're like, you 0:47:43.760 --> 0:47:46.989 don't you're not guaranteed to have a super long career 0:47:47.000 --> 0:47:49.520 any time you're off. But they were launching what what 0:47:49.520 --> 0:47:51.710 I loved about it and there's a really good documentary 0:47:51.710 --> 0:47:56.540 on Amazon Prime about Van Halen. It talks about those 0:47:56.540 --> 0:48:00.290 early years. So Van Halen got together in like 71 0:48:00.290 --> 0:48:05.660 of 72, and they were just playing backyards and, you know, 0:48:06.020 --> 0:48:08.180 doing stuff on the Hollywood strip and stuff for a 0:48:08.180 --> 0:48:13.940 long time. And then actually Gene Simmons of KISS was 0:48:13.940 --> 0:48:16.100 going to sign them and they put together a record 0:48:16.100 --> 0:48:19.100 and demo, and he took it to New York and 0:48:19.100 --> 0:48:20.840 they did a live it wherever he took it. You 0:48:20.840 --> 0:48:23.540 didn't like Van Halen and so sorry, you know, they 0:48:23.540 --> 0:48:26.120 didn't get signed, but then later they got signed. And 0:48:26.120 --> 0:48:29.070 their whole album, I mean, Hail on one is just spectacular. 0:48:29.070 --> 0:48:32.210 If you've never heard it before, put it on Spotify 0:48:32.210 --> 0:48:34.940 or on on your YouTube, put your headphones on and 0:48:34.940 --> 0:48:37.940 just listen to that album for the first time. It'll 0:48:37.940 --> 0:48:40.040 blow you away. It's such a great debut album. 0:48:40.760 --> 0:48:45.350 Eddie Van Halen. Rest in peace. You are officially unchained.