Joel Comm: John McAfee was without a doubt one of the most
Joel Comm: controversial guests we've ever had on this show. We got
Joel Comm: to interview him six times prior to his death and
Joel Comm: we wish he was still around for a seventh go round.
Joel Comm: But in lieu of that, the next best thing would
Joel Comm: be to speak with someone who was with McAfee while
Joel Comm: he was on the run from the authorities. Alex, Cody
Joel Comm: Foster is that guy. You may recognize him from the
Joel Comm: blockbuster Netflix special Running with the devil the wild world
Joel Comm: of john mcafee. Today he discusses his time with jon,
Joel Comm: the insane situations that he found himself in and how
Joel Comm: he's documented it all in a brand new book. This
Joel Comm: episode has many van Halen references in it, so you'll
Joel Comm: want to keep count of them. On our episode number 654.
Joel Comm: Of the Bad Crypto podcast.
UU: Five for three.
Joel Comm: How are all of the Whose band?
Travis Wright: Are you ready to rock? Uh, yeah. Uh, maybe. Maybe not.
Travis Wright: I was. I was noticing you, and I noticed that. Oh, I. One, two. And. Oh, yeah,
Travis Wright: I noticed.
Joel Comm: Well, if you're ready to rock, we can be the
Joel Comm: metal metaverse metalheads.
Travis Wright: Oh, very nice. The metaverse metalheads. This one right here.
Travis Wright: I mean, seriously, it has about 5150 different Van Halen references.
Joel Comm: And because Runnin with the Devil and we.
Travis Wright: Spun Army is there was 1984 and in 1984 we
Travis Wright: never really mentioned that album.
Joel Comm: If you haven't seen the Netflix documentary Running with the
Joel Comm: Devil in the Wild World of John McAfee, you got
Joel Comm: to go see it. It's an amazing watch. Then you're
Joel Comm: going to want to get his book, the memoir of
Joel Comm: The Man Who Hacked the World, which is all about
Joel Comm: John McAfee and basically being with him while the craziness
Joel Comm: was taking place. Lots of insight from the author on
Joel Comm: this particular show and a lot of fun to speak
Joel Comm: with him as well. He's a good guy. Humble dude.
Travis Wright: Very cool. And then if you haven't seen the documentary yet,
Travis Wright: listen to this and then go listen, Go watch the documentary,
Travis Wright: Run with the Devil. He's actually on the show talking
Travis Wright: about some interesting things, you know, and mentioning some stuff
Travis Wright: that you maybe have never heard before, like while watching
Travis Wright: that documentary. They've talked about John McAfee, you know, maybe
Travis Wright: even offing his very violent father. Like what? I never
Travis Wright: heard that before. Like, there's some weird stuff going on.
Travis Wright: And this this right here is this episode is one
Travis Wright: of those timeless ones.
Joel Comm: Yeah. So see if you can count the Van Halen references.
Joel Comm: And let's get to our talk with Alex Cody Foster. Sir. Lord,
Joel Comm: have you seen the documentary on Netflix yet? Running with
Joel Comm: the Devil.
Travis Wright: Hmm. You know, yes, I have. And I love Van Halen.
Travis Wright: So this is really exciting. We get to talk to
Travis Wright: the ghostwriter who was writing for for for day to
Travis Wright: Lee Roth. Is that correct? Something like that. Did I.
Joel Comm: See this? No, no, no. It's. It's running with the devil.
Joel Comm: The wild world of John McAfee.
Travis Wright: I do love that song. Maybe the very best intro
Travis Wright: song on a debut album ever.
Joel Comm: It is fantastic. You hear it and immediately recognize there's
Joel Comm: Eddie pulling the raps like this is something totally new.
Travis Wright: But on that one, just real quick, you know, one
Travis Wright: thing is that when they started out with the song
Travis Wright: With Blood, when it starts out, they literally took in
Travis Wright: car horn and then they honked it and then they
Travis Wright: slowed it down to make that song. They made that sound,
Travis Wright: which is funny, which is iconic sound. So but that
Travis Wright: has nothing to do with any of this except for
Travis Wright: the title.
Joel Comm: There you go. Piece of Van Halen trivia today, and
Joel Comm: maybe our guests will bring some Van Halen trivia. I
Joel Comm: don't know. His name is Alex Cody Foster. He is
Joel Comm: the ghostwriter on the book that is just coming out today,
Joel Comm: which the documentary you may have seen on Netflix is
Joel Comm: based on Running with the Devil, The Wild World of
Joel Comm: John McAfee. Alex A.F., welcome to bed Crypto.
Alex Cody Foster: Thanks for having me. Yes.
Joel Comm: Do you have any Van Halen?
Alex Cody Foster: Actually, I do. This is all kind of full circle
Alex Cody Foster: for me here. I Almost Ghost wrote a book for
Alex Cody Foster: a guy who was best friends with Eddie Van Halen.
Travis Wright: Huh? Yeah, I.
Alex Cody Foster: I can't give his name, obviously, but I didn't take
Alex Cody Foster: him on. He stole my email somewhere. It didn't happen.
Alex Cody Foster: So I guess is a non-story.
Travis Wright: Yeah, it's. It's such a great band. Such as? Aside
Travis Wright: from that, such an interesting dude, John McAfee, such an
Travis Wright: interesting character. Like when you go back and and I
Travis Wright: believe the documentary started somewhere with some of that footage
Travis Wright: from what 2012 is that that what starts kicking off
Travis Wright: and then you go on for a little while and
Travis Wright: then you're and then there's like a five year delay
Travis Wright: and then you're going back into the story back in 2019.
Travis Wright: What a great time to come back in the So
Travis Wright: what was your initial thoughts when you're like, hey, John
Travis Wright: McAfee wants you to write a book with them? Like
Travis Wright: how did that go down?
Joel Comm: And so, Travis, we're just going to jump right in
Joel Comm: like I think as well. We may as well jump.
Travis Wright: I might as well just go ahead. JOHNSON Yeah, I.
Joel Comm: Think I think we did try to insert as many
Joel Comm: Van Halen song titles.
Travis Wright: Into this episode.
Joel Comm: Of course, the conversation as possible. So, yeah, Alex, go
Joel Comm: ahead and talk about that.
Alex Cody Foster: Jump in some jump in. So John didn't actually want
Alex Cody Foster: to hire me initially. I spoke with Jimmy Watson, his
Alex Cody Foster: executive advisor at the time, because yeah, Jimmy and he,
Alex Cody Foster: you know, I forget how we met, but we got
Alex Cody Foster: linked up. I sent him an email and I told
Alex Cody Foster: him that I was a ghostwriter and I was in
Alex Cody Foster: the crypto industry and I've worked with some of the
Alex Cody Foster: founders in crypto and I said I would love to
Alex Cody Foster: write John story. In fact, I'd wanted to write a
Alex Cody Foster: story ever since I was 18 and 19 years old,
Alex Cody Foster: living on the streets of Los Angeles. And I that
Alex Cody Foster: was in 2012, and that's when John went on the
Alex Cody Foster: run in Belize. And I saw that story when I
Alex Cody Foster: was living on the streets. There was a wired article
Alex Cody Foster: by Joshua Josh Davis, and I said, Fuck, I love
Alex Cody Foster: to write that guy's book someday. This is before I
Alex Cody Foster: was a writer. So fast forward, you know, I was
Alex Cody Foster: 25 and I wrote to Jimmy and he said, You know,
Alex Cody Foster: you sound like the perfect guy to do this. But
Alex Cody Foster: every time I bring it up, the boss boss says,
Alex Cody Foster: Fuck that, Jimmy. I will never write another book. I
Alex Cody Foster: will never speak to a writer because I hate them.
Alex Cody Foster: And he said, If you keep bringing this shit up,
Alex Cody Foster: I'm going to fire you. And Jimmy was like, Yeah, yeah.
Alex Cody Foster: He said, Man, I don't know Alex. I don't know
Alex Cody Foster: if he's being serious or what, but I don't think
Alex Cody Foster: I can bring this up. But you know, I'm going
Alex Cody Foster: to do it strategic strategically, all right? And I said, Fine,
Alex Cody Foster: that's great. A few months later, I got a call
Alex Cody Foster: in the morning, 530 in the morning, I guess John
Alex Cody Foster: had seen a video of when I was homeless on
Alex Cody Foster: the streets of L.A. and he knew I'd seen some shit.
Alex Cody Foster: And that's what attracted it to me. And so I
Alex Cody Foster: got a call 530 in the morning, and I was
Alex Cody Foster: profiled in the Netflix documentary. But what's not in that
Alex Cody Foster: film is the deciding factor was he said, All right, son,
Alex Cody Foster: do you drink? Does it? Yeah. I mean, water, coffee
Alex Cody Foster: is I don't like milk. I mean, we're the only
Alex Cody Foster: animal that drinks milk from another species, so that's why.
Travis Wright: I love to eat. Yeah.
Alex Cody Foster: Yeah, I like I like food too. And he's like, No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Alex Cody Foster: Do you drink booze, sir? Do you drink? But is
Alex Cody Foster: it Sure? And he said, What do you drink? I
Alex Cody Foster: was like, red wine, You know, I like montepulciano. I
Alex Cody Foster: like scotch, I like bourbon. This is it. He shut
Alex Cody Foster: me up and he said, All right, I'll see you.
Alex Cody Foster: I'll see you Tuesday. That was like a day later
Alex Cody Foster: that I was supposed to arrive. And John did this
Alex Cody Foster: all the time with people. It was all or nothing.
Alex Cody Foster: You know, you either arrive in 24 hours, which meant
Alex Cody Foster: that I had to pretty much get on a plane
Alex Cody Foster: that night because of where he was located in the
Alex Cody Foster: US or don't arrive at all. And so that's how
Alex Cody Foster: it got kicked off.
Travis Wright: So you like if I show up, then you really
Travis Wright: got me. I'm going to be here. I'm going to
Travis Wright: be your ghostwriter.
Alex Cody Foster: It felt that way. But actually what happened was I
Alex Cody Foster: showed up and I was put under this sort of
Alex Cody Foster: rigorous social experiment, which, if I failed, was going to
Alex Cody Foster: can my ass immediately. So I didn't really have the
Alex Cody Foster: job until I passed the test.
Travis Wright: And what was this? When did you when did you
Travis Wright: join with them originally? Back in 2000, 12, or was
Travis Wright: it 2020 18?
Alex Cody Foster: So he had done his whole on the run thing.
Alex Cody Foster: In 2012. He came back to America and then he
Alex Cody Foster: pretty much went on the run for a couple of years.
Alex Cody Foster: He lived in Oregon, he lived in Tennessee. He was
Alex Cody Foster: in Tennessee when I met him.
Joel Comm: So how long did it take for him to warm
Joel Comm: up to you? You know, for him to feel comfortable, like, okay,
Joel Comm: I can hang with this guy, I can party with
Joel Comm: this dude. I'm going to surround myself with some beautiful
Joel Comm: girls and with Alex Cody Foster song reference.
Alex Cody Foster: I think that was the second trip that I took
Alex Cody Foster: with him when we actually went on the run, allegedly
Alex Cody Foster: from the Sinaloa cartel. We're after him because he felt there.
Alex Cody Foster: He bugged them and hacked them back in 2012. That's
Alex Cody Foster: in the book. It's not really in the film, but
Alex Cody Foster: he he saw that I wasn't afraid. You know, I
Alex Cody Foster: had lost my mind back in 2012 when I was
Alex Cody Foster: living on the streets. I got a back a couple
Alex Cody Foster: of years later, and when I got back, I was
Alex Cody Foster: a totally different person and I became a writer. And
Alex Cody Foster: ever since then, for some weird reason, I bet in
Alex Cody Foster: a pathological sense, a therapist would have a field day
Alex Cody Foster: with me. But I don't really feel fear. You know
Alex Cody Foster: what I mean? I don't feel excitement either. Like everybody's
Alex Cody Foster: hitting me up today, like, Oh my God, your first book,
Alex Cody Foster: Under Your Name came out. You know, I've got a
Alex Cody Foster: bunch of published books, not under my name, but the
Alex Cody Foster: first one with my name. And it just so happened
Alex Cody Foster: to be about my life and about my time with John.
Alex Cody Foster: But I don't feel excitement. I feel grateful. And I
Alex Cody Foster: think that weird pathology that I have and the just
Alex Cody Foster: the fact that I was always a black sheep, that
Alex Cody Foster: I was sort of misunderstood and I lost my mind
Alex Cody Foster: like he did he he said he lost it for
Alex Cody Foster: a lot longer than I did it. When he realized
Alex Cody Foster: that was the thing with me, we were in that
Alex Cody Foster: four car motorcade speeding across America on the run. That's
Alex Cody Foster: when he really starts spilling his secrets. And that's when
Alex Cody Foster: he didn't see me as an equal. But he saw
Alex Cody Foster: me the first time.
Travis Wright: I want to I want to talk about you know,
Travis Wright: you mentioned that you were homeless there for a while,
Travis Wright: living out on the summer streets. And I want to
Travis Wright: ask about that. Like, how did that sort of prepare
Travis Wright: you to become a ghost and like in your thinking,
Travis Wright: so you got your life together and you said that
Travis Wright: was a crazy time. Here I am. I'm going to
Travis Wright: start I'm going to start writing some books about other
Travis Wright: people and ghostwriting them. How did that even transcribe?
Alex Cody Foster: That's a great question, man. I mean, to be honest,
Alex Cody Foster: I guess I've been ghostwriting pretty much my whole life
Alex Cody Foster: is back in. Seventh grade that I started writing book
Alex Cody Foster: reports for my brother, who was in high school. And
Alex Cody Foster: I did that until he left high school. And he
Alex Cody Foster: didn't graduate, but he just he just left. And I
Alex Cody Foster: did that the whole time for him. And I read
Alex Cody Foster: all of his high school books. So by the time
Alex Cody Foster: I got to high school, I'd already read all the
Alex Cody Foster: material and I started doing it for college kids when
Alex Cody Foster: I was in high school for money and for beer.
Alex Cody Foster: And like we because I used to smoke weed back
Alex Cody Foster: in the day. But am I allowed to talk about drugs?
Travis Wright: You know, I used to smoke drugs and then I
Travis Wright: still do. So. I guess so. Cool. All right.
Joel Comm: Are you allowed to talk about drugs? But the first
Joel Comm: time we interviewed John in 2017 for episode number 100
Joel Comm: Bad code that I for slash 100 if anybody wants
Joel Comm: to listen to it. We were on video with him
Joel Comm: and he was wrapping his arm about to shoot up.
Alex Cody Foster: Oh, shit.
Joel Comm: And on screen we're like watching going, Oh.
Travis Wright: What in the world is this? It was it was
Travis Wright: more like, oh, because he literally was putting a tourniquet
Travis Wright: on his arm and he's like, squeezing it. He's getting it.
Travis Wright: It's like pumping it out. Get ready to. And I
Travis Wright: think he realizes like, well, I'm on video and then
Travis Wright: I don't he didn't actually do it, but he did
Travis Wright: hit the turning, you know and I don't know if
Travis Wright: that was just shock value. Right. Or we were going
Travis Wright: to see him dancing in the streets, though. It was
Travis Wright: going to be a wild show either way.
Alex Cody Foster: It was going to be a lot of it, to
Alex Cody Foster: be honest with John, that he did that. That you
Alex Cody Foster: said that was episode 100. Yeah. What year was this?
Joel Comm: 2017, I think, or early 18. So it was he
Joel Comm: did 100, 200, 200 in what was like 86.
Travis Wright: Yeah. We thought he was going to be arrested or Epstein's.
Joel Comm: Yeah. Yeah. So we're like, oh, we're not going to
Joel Comm: wait till 300. We're going to have a virtual blockchain week.
Joel Comm: And there was one other and we've had more recently,
Joel Comm: we've had Janis on the show.
Alex Cody Foster: If it was 2018, it's kind of funny. I was
Alex Cody Foster: the one that got him on that show with you.
Alex Cody Foster: Travis I could show up and I set it up
Alex Cody Foster: via email. It's kind of small world.
Travis Wright: But it is a small world, so we're really grateful.
Travis Wright: Here we are full circle like crazy right here.
Joel Comm: So I'm going to pull that up right here. And
Joel Comm: you can see that bad code that I enforce. I
Joel Comm: saw 100 is March 20th, 2018. So we probably interviewed
Joel Comm: him just a few days before for this episode. And
Joel Comm: it was it was there's yeah, there's a picture. It
Joel Comm: was he.
Travis Wright: Was totally unchained. There was like.
Alex Cody Foster: He was.
Travis Wright: Doing what he was doing. He was going to do heroin,
Travis Wright: like in the interview to this day. And then Joe's like,
Travis Wright: and we got it. And I was like, No, dude,
Travis Wright: that's going to be the thing that you see. John
Travis Wright: now he's doing what I think we did edit it.
Travis Wright: I just because it was like, this is not big
Travis Wright: or whatever, but I was like, That was crazy.
Alex Cody Foster: That's pure John right there. But to answer your question, sorry,
Alex Cody Foster: I don't I don't think I did to round it out. I,
Alex Cody Foster: you know, after it was writing, you know, grammar school
Alex Cody Foster: and then in high school and I, I hitchhiked across America,
Alex Cody Foster: became homeless on the streets of L.A., ran out of money,
Alex Cody Foster: came from a poor family, no one to bail me out.
Alex Cody Foster: So I just lived on the streets and I decided
Alex Cody Foster: I want to tell the story of all these people
Alex Cody Foster: who lived on the streets. Or 51,340 homeless people. I
Alex Cody Foster: read I.
Travis Wright: Read it was 5150 5150 was what I thought was
Travis Wright: the number.
Alex Cody Foster: Who's your source.
Travis Wright: Of everyone's song for him? Song lists.
Alex Cody Foster: That's never mind, that's that's reputable. We'll stick with that one.
Travis Wright: You shit. So I wanted to I want to talk
Travis Wright: about his mental health. Right. Because like you can see here,
Travis Wright: he is doing copious amounts of drugs, doing a ridiculous
Travis Wright: amount of, you know, alcohol. And then all of his
Travis Wright: girls around is like, I ain't talking about LA, but
Travis Wright: let's get together and let's have a nice, crazy time.
Travis Wright: Like what? What was the craziest thing that you saw
Travis Wright: that you can talk about?
Alex Cody Foster: Shit, that's part of a top ten list. Really? Let
Alex Cody Foster: me think. Can I just go through the list?
Travis Wright: Go through the list?
Joel Comm: We love that he's saying, You really got me with
Joel Comm: that question there, Trev.
Travis Wright: That's what he did say. Change that. You change the
Travis Wright: the visual so he's in the middle and we can
Travis Wright: turn this one into a fancy little social. Oh, you
Travis Wright: do that So fancy. He's got a top ten.
Alex Cody Foster: Sandwich made here. Top ten. Well, I might not see yet.
Travis Wright: You saw from John McAfee in the two plus three
Travis Wright: years that you were working with that.
Alex Cody Foster: Okay. One, probably when we are on the run from
Alex Cody Foster: the Sinaloa cartel, I didn't believe him. He just had
Alex Cody Foster: he interrogated a girl and made her cry in McDonald's
Alex Cody Foster: parking lot.
Joel Comm: What's her name? Jamie.
Alex Cody Foster: Actually, her name's Ryan. Her name was Lizzie Borden, which
Alex Cody Foster: didn't know her situation. John had a field day with that.
Alex Cody Foster: He was like, Oh, so you're the famous axe murderer, huh?
Alex Cody Foster: Lizzie Borden? Is that your If that's even your real name?
Alex Cody Foster: And she laughed.
Joel Comm: Yeah, I'm the one.
Alex Cody Foster: It was. It was actually really sad, though. I mean,
Alex Cody Foster: he made the poor girl cry because he he and
Alex Cody Foster: the security guys were grilling her, thinking she was a spy.
Travis Wright: Oh, here's the eruption. There you go, John. Going off
Travis Wright: on the ground, making her cry.
Alex Cody Foster: So there's that. Number two, allegedly, I spoke to the
Alex Cody Foster: head of the Sinaloa cartel in central Mexico, own cartel.
Travis Wright: What is the Sinaloa cartel? For those who don't know.
Alex Cody Foster: They're the most feared, most dangerous cartel drug cartel in
Alex Cody Foster: the world. And you know the head of it. I
Alex Cody Foster: don't know if he's still ahead. Joaquin El Chapo Guzman.
Travis Wright: El Chapo?
Alex Cody Foster: Yeah. El Chapo doesn't.
Travis Wright: Get him on this show sometime and chat with him
Travis Wright: about the crypto space and be like, hey, I'm Chapo.
Travis Wright: I got some Chapo stick.
Alex Cody Foster: Well, like I said in the film, if there's one
Alex Cody Foster: thing I know, you don't fuck with the cartel. And
Alex Cody Foster: that's why I played it pretty safe in this book
Alex Cody Foster: without naming names. But yeah, that was a weird time
Alex Cody Foster: talking to the head of the cartel in Central America.
Alex Cody Foster: The guy was supposedly connected to El Chapo himself because
Alex Cody Foster: I didn't believe John. So John got him on the phone.
Alex Cody Foster: He said, Tell him your name. And he told me
Alex Cody Foster: his name. And I looked him up. I had the
Alex Cody Foster: phone in front of me. And yeah, all these news articles,
Alex Cody Foster: there's like a kingpin indictment against them and crazy shit.
Travis Wright: Like El Chapo. He got El Chapo.
Alex Cody Foster: On the phone. No, the other guy.
Travis Wright: There's another guy. Hold on. I'm going to text El
Travis Wright: Chapo real quick. What the.
Alex Cody Foster: Hell? He was in prison. I mean, he probably had
Alex Cody Foster: access to a cell phone as you can burrow under
Alex Cody Foster: the prison.
Joel Comm: Okay. Number three right now.
Alex Cody Foster: Number three was being kidnapped in Barcelona. That's not in
Alex Cody Foster: the movie. Against my will. We were kidnapped by these two,
Alex Cody Foster: I think was the Eastern European mob or something. It
Alex Cody Foster: was very sketchy situation. It's sort of a long story.
Alex Cody Foster: But to sum it up, I was in this motorcade,
Alex Cody Foster: bunch of guys with guns driving to an undisclosed location,
Alex Cody Foster: supposedly a villa in Barcelona. But they took me an
Alex Cody Foster: hour outside of Barcelona and I kept saying.
Joel Comm: Put a bag over your head, burlap bag.
Alex Cody Foster: They did it. I expected them to, but they didn't.
Joel Comm: They told me, Hey, guys, where's the.
Travis Wright: Bag.
Joel Comm: Going to bag me?
Travis Wright: Where are.
Alex Cody Foster: The refreshments?
Travis Wright: We're going to have a we're going to have a
Travis Wright: Sunday afternoon in the park. And all of a sudden
Travis Wright: we're getting we're getting arrested. We're getting accosted by the
Travis Wright: Eastern European mob. I mean, you don't want them after you.
Travis Wright: You don't want El Chapo after you. He's pissing off everybody.
Travis Wright: You don't want the government after you. John McAfee pissed
Travis Wright: off everyone.
Alex Cody Foster: He did it. He had a lot of friends, too, though.
Alex Cody Foster: We can't forget that in a lot of friends.
Joel Comm: He was very loved for his his honesty. Right. You know,
Joel Comm: being authentic, who he was. And in standing up for
Joel Comm: crypto and decentralization and against the the the systems. I mean,
Joel Comm: he was a rebel's rebel. I mean, the dude, the
Joel Comm: dude spit, blood and fire every time he talked. And
Joel Comm: it was just like he so that drew a lot
Joel Comm: of people to him.
Alex Cody Foster: And that's why I was drawn to him initially. But
Alex Cody Foster: when I uncovered some of the darker elements of John's
Alex Cody Foster: psyche and history, it just put me off. You know,
Alex Cody Foster: there's certain things I'm a I'm an open minded guy.
Alex Cody Foster: I've worked with, I've worked with. I don't know if
Alex Cody Foster: I'm allowed to say actually, I'm allowed to say my
Alex Cody Foster: my name is going to be on the cover. You know,
Alex Cody Foster: I've worked with drug kingpins before. I currently am working
Alex Cody Foster: with one. I've worked with liars, thieves, murderers. I've worked
Alex Cody Foster: with Ross Ulbricht, who created Silk Road. I've worked with
Alex Cody Foster: really wonderful, good people, too. They're not all bad, but
Alex Cody Foster: I like to reserve judgment. And that's one thing that
Alex Cody Foster: has aided me as a ghostwriters. When I lost my mind,
Alex Cody Foster: it kind of shattered my ego. And to be a
Alex Cody Foster: great ghostwriter, you get to set your own bullshit aside.
Alex Cody Foster: Egocentric ego. Leave it at the door so you can
Alex Cody Foster: get in the shoes of this person and tell their
Alex Cody Foster: story through their eyes. And I had to do that.
Alex Cody Foster: And I did that very effectively with charm. There are
Alex Cody Foster: few lines you don't cross with me. What are those? Clothing?
Joel Comm: We don't have lights.
Alex Cody Foster: One of them is. Do not.
Joel Comm: Tell me. I'll wait.
Alex Cody Foster: Do not murder innocent people and don't rape people. And
Alex Cody Foster: throughout my time with John, I had reason to believe
Alex Cody Foster: that he had done both wrong.
Joel Comm: So do you do you feel like he was responsible
Joel Comm: for the neighbor?
Alex Cody Foster: Yeah, for sure. In fact, it's towards the end of
Alex Cody Foster: my book. I haven't actually talked about it publicly, but.
Joel Comm: Oh, this is a this is a premiere right here, gang.
Joel Comm: First time.
Alex Cody Foster: I'll say. All I really am allowed to say at
Alex Cody Foster: this point is that someone reached out to me after
Alex Cody Foster: the Netflix film dropped. Actually, it was the very next
Alex Cody Foster: morning the Netflix film dropped and there was a guy
Alex Cody Foster: who's work with John in Belize and he said, Hey,
Alex Cody Foster: I was there that night. I know exactly what happened.
Alex Cody Foster: And I can tell you the full story. I've never
Alex Cody Foster: told anybody why. And he said, Can I get a
Alex Cody Foster: can I get you on the call? On a call?
Alex Cody Foster: And I said, Yes. And I talked to him for
Alex Cody Foster: an hour and 45 minutes, recorded the conversation. And I
Alex Cody Foster: discuss the details of that conversation towards the end of
Alex Cody Foster: this book.
Joel Comm: Okay. Well, clearly, we're going to tell everybody, go get
Joel Comm: the book. But I'm going to ask you for that
Joel Comm: one story. Right. Here is the teaser, because it's going
Joel Comm: to be the thing that everybody's going to be like.
Joel Comm: I got to read the rest of what he's got
Joel Comm: to say.
Travis Wright: Mm hmm. And I guess it surprised you. I'm surprised
Travis Wright: that after Belize, when he was on the run, like
Travis Wright: he didn't end up going to Panama or something. You're
Travis Wright: the one.
Joel Comm: You son of a bitch. You got it in. I
Joel Comm: was going to get that.
Travis Wright: Y got to be a son of a bitch. Yeah,
Travis Wright: I'm the one.
Joel Comm: I don't know. Stay frosty.
Travis Wright: Travis. Okay. I'm sorry. So? So.
Joel Comm: Yeah, go ahead. Talk, Alex.
Alex Cody Foster: You want to answer? So it's sort of a long story.
Alex Cody Foster: I'm going to have to give you the short version.
Joel Comm: Bridget for us.
Alex Cody Foster: Sure. Essentially, this guy was there. John admitted to him
Alex Cody Foster: what had happened because, you know, John's dogs were poisoned.
Alex Cody Foster: So this man went with John? No, sorry. John was
Alex Cody Foster: with the girls and stuff. He used to spend on average,
Alex Cody Foster: like 2 hours, one or 2 hours a night with
Alex Cody Foster: each girl in their various rooms on the property. So
Alex Cody Foster: what the guy said, you know.
Travis Wright: Daddy.
Alex Cody Foster: He had a big time. And so at some point.
Travis Wright: How much stamina for him to spend an hour with
Travis Wright: you that I'm going to come over here and that's ass.
Alex Cody Foster: I mean, that's.
Travis Wright: What.
Joel Comm: It seems. The woman that he was like, you know,
Joel Comm: I think I'm hot, the teacher. And he was.
Travis Wright: Talking about like, I'm going to them get it because
Travis Wright: everybody wants to get a library for John McAfee for sure.
Alex Cody Foster: We had a librarian face to That was a funny story.
Alex Cody Foster: So he he his dogs are poison. He was really pissed. Obviously.
Alex Cody Foster: Wouldn't be and. Anyway, my guy, he said that he
Alex Cody Foster: saw tracks in the sand and they led to Gregory
Alex Cody Foster: Falls House. He followed the tracks in the sand from
Alex Cody Foster: where all the dogs were poisoned and vomiting, blood and dying.
Alex Cody Foster: And he followed them all the way to grandma's house.
Alex Cody Foster: And he told John, Hey, look, I'm not saying he
Alex Cody Foster: did it, but I found the tracks leading right to
Alex Cody Foster: his house, and it's around the same time. The prints
Alex Cody Foster: are still fresh because the waves had receded, so the
Alex Cody Foster: sand was wet. You could tell that the prints refreshed,
Alex Cody Foster: which indicated that it was in the same time frame
Alex Cody Foster: and therefore John was pissed. John thought it was great.
Alex Cody Foster: He did it. And so anyway.
Travis Wright: He went vigilante on their ass right there. What was
Travis Wright: new around the. What was the deal about Greg False parrot.
Travis Wright: Is it because he had a parrot? Yeah. It's something
Travis Wright: that he. That dog that night of the dog. Kill
Travis Wright: the parrot or something? I don't remember.
Alex Cody Foster: I didn't really hear much about the parrot, except that
Alex Cody Foster: one of the dogs freaked out and tried to get
Alex Cody Foster: at it and upset Greg because, you know, that was
Alex Cody Foster: his best friend right there on the shoulder. So he's like, What?
Alex Cody Foster: All right, get out of here.
Travis Wright: He was a true pirate. They're hanging out in Belize
Travis Wright: with his parents and stuff.
Alex Cody Foster: I guess so. I don't really know what happened there.
Alex Cody Foster: That's a good question. But. So the end of that
Alex Cody Foster: story is that John was always with the girls every night.
Alex Cody Foster: Every night that the guy worked with, John was like
Alex Cody Foster: about a month at this point. He was working with him.
Alex Cody Foster: And the night of false murder, he wasn't there. John
Alex Cody Foster: was completely unaccounted for, which was strange. And anyway, he
Alex Cody Foster: got on the phone with a guy. You got on
Alex Cody Foster: the phone with the guy before John? I'm sorry. Before
Alex Cody Foster: Greg was murdered that morning, he said, I don't fucking
Alex Cody Foster: care where you are. You get on like Tropicana Air
Alex Cody Foster: and you get your ass here right now. Right fucking now.
Alex Cody Foster: And he hung up. And the next day, the next day,
Alex Cody Foster: Eddie McCoy shows up and my guys introduced John as
Alex Cody Foster: a low. And anyway, he. Like I said that. The
Alex Cody Foster: next morning after Gregory Falls murdered, he saw this commotion
Alex Cody Foster: and John was playing in the pool with Samantha and
Alex Cody Foster: laughing and just like throwing a beach ball or something,
Alex Cody Foster: having a grand old time while all this crazy commotion
Alex Cody Foster: was going on up next door. And my guy went
Alex Cody Foster: over to him and he said, Hey, John, I think
Alex Cody Foster: something happened to that guy, Greg, you know, And John
Alex Cody Foster: kind of like lowered his head and he was like, Yeah,
Alex Cody Foster: and he was just supposed to scare him. He wasn't
Alex Cody Foster: supposed to shoot him. And, you know, my guy went
Alex Cody Foster: wide eyed. He's like, I'm going to go to my
Alex Cody Foster: room now. So he went to his room. Eventually, he
Alex Cody Foster: got arrested, along with some of the other members of
Alex Cody Foster: the household. John went on the run, etc.. And I
Alex Cody Foster: think his name is Cashin told my guy that not
Alex Cody Foster: only had John ordered the hit, but he had also
Alex Cody Foster: ordered the hit on an unnamed American expat in the
Alex Cody Foster: south of Belize. So it was yet another guy who
Alex Cody Foster: John had killed. And then there's David Middleton. There is
Alex Cody Foster: in my book profile that John admitted to me. There's
Alex Cody Foster: a white lobster guy, white lobsters, cocaine that washes up
Alex Cody Foster: on shore because that's how they do some of their
Alex Cody Foster: drug runs. They they tie him to booze, kilos and
Alex Cody Foster: kilos of cocaine. If they get dislodged, they wash up
Alex Cody Foster: on shore and villagers or something take anything that they're dead.
Alex Cody Foster: And some white lobster guy thought John had stolen his cocaine,
Alex Cody Foster: which is oxymoronic because John was a millionaire and had
Alex Cody Foster: all the cocaine he could want. So John had to
Alex Cody Foster: have him killed as well.
Travis Wright: And then they got how many people do you think
Travis Wright: reached met their maker as a result of John magazine?
Alex Cody Foster: If if everything told to me is true and B five,
Alex Cody Foster: and that is if John did, in fact kill his father,
Alex Cody Foster: which was told to me, I'm not going to say
Alex Cody Foster: that I proved that I didn't. But it was told
Alex Cody Foster: to me in confidence. And so that would be five
Alex Cody Foster: people to get around.
Joel Comm: John And you're like, Somebody get me a doctor.
Alex Cody Foster: And so he.
Travis Wright: Got me here on this one. I'm I'm a little
Travis Wright: I'm a little shooken up, you know. So I guess
Travis Wright: technically six because he offed himself.
Alex Cody Foster: Right? Allegedly.
Travis Wright: Which is to.
Joel Comm: A great question. You know, we had Janis on the show.
Joel Comm: I asked so many questions, actually, because Janis was hardly
Joel Comm: in the documentary. And I learned about, you know, this
Joel Comm: this other woman, Samantha Herrera, that you were hanging out
Joel Comm: with and that you're along with and like. So. All right,
Joel Comm: first question then is about the girls that come on
Joel Comm: to share for those who are watching the video. This
Joel Comm: is the the article that I pulled up here on
Joel Comm: prime time recom netflix john mcafee doc filmmakers accused of
Joel Comm: questionable tactics because in the film samantha and you could
Joel Comm: see on the video for those you're watching which shows
Joel Comm: is one of his girlfriends. At the end of it,
Joel Comm: she says she got a call from Texas from saying
Joel Comm: that from John and saying that he was still alive.
Joel Comm: This was after he was allegedly. And but I guess
Joel Comm: she said this was taken out of context. So first
Joel Comm: question is about that and then your opinion, because Janis
Joel Comm: says they've not seen the body yet, is there a
Joel Comm: chance that he's still alive and just in hiding?
Alex Cody Foster: So about that. I'm not really sure how you can
Alex Cody Foster: take that quote out of context. When you ask someone explicitly,
Alex Cody Foster: do you think he's still alive? And then she says explicitly,
Alex Cody Foster: I received a call. Weeks after his death. I mean,
Alex Cody Foster: the context is already there. The context came out of
Alex Cody Foster: her own mouth. So I'm really not sure what the
Alex Cody Foster: argument is there.
Joel Comm: Well, what she said is here I got a call
Joel Comm: from Texas from someone saying it was John who said
Joel Comm: he was still alive.
Alex Cody Foster: Oh, I could see that.
Joel Comm: I would have filmmakers that I didn't know if it
Joel Comm: was him or someone posing as him. I said that
Joel Comm: on the film, but it wasn't used.
Travis Wright: So I got a call from someone in Texas, not
Travis Wright: a call from just.
Joel Comm: Clint claiming they were John. And I'm thinking, you know what?
Joel Comm: You would know his voice. How would you not know?
Travis Wright: And you wouldn't be in Texas. He wouldn't be in Texas?
Alex Cody Foster: No, no, of course not. Even he would not go
Alex Cody Foster: back to America. The one place that he was worried
Alex Cody Foster: about getting extradited to, he would be in the Far
Alex Cody Foster: East somewhere looking like a king.
Travis Wright: But the body.
Joel Comm: Has not been turned over yet.
Alex Cody Foster: Well, I'll tell you.
Joel Comm: Yeah. What's going on here?
Alex Cody Foster: I'll give you some more context there. And, you know,
Alex Cody Foster: she had any doubts whatsoever? I don't think I would
Alex Cody Foster: have brought it up myself. In the weeks after John died.
Alex Cody Foster: I got a telegram notification, said John. Mark is join Telegram.
Alex Cody Foster: I thought, What the fuck?
Travis Wright: That was so.
Alex Cody Foster: Weird. Yeah, because I still had John's number and I
Alex Cody Foster: wrote to the guy, woman, whomever, and I said, Hey,
Alex Cody Foster: you know, you're using a dead guy's phone right now.
Alex Cody Foster: Who are you? And he read the message. Didn't respond.
Alex Cody Foster: I think it was a few hours later that the
Alex Cody Foster: account was deleted. So I thought maybe that was Janice
Alex Cody Foster: who had the the phone. Maybe it was the feds.
Alex Cody Foster: Maybe it was John. I don't know. And I'll never know.
Alex Cody Foster: And I'm okay with that.
Joel Comm: So. So you don't know. You don't have feelings. Maybe
Joel Comm: he's dead, and maybe he's not.
Alex Cody Foster: I have feelings. Yeah, I believe he's dead, for sure.
Alex Cody Foster: You do? Yeah. I mean, he died 2 hours after
Alex Cody Foster: it was announced that he was going to be extradited
Alex Cody Foster: to America, where he was facing serious charges. And given
Alex Cody Foster: what he knew, at least what he told me, that
Alex Cody Foster: he knew, he probably could have started singing like a
Alex Cody Foster: bird and gotten a community sentence. And maybe certain people
Alex Cody Foster: were afraid that he was going to do that. So
Alex Cody Foster: they had to.
Joel Comm: But allegedly there was a dead switch anyway, that all
Joel Comm: this information that, you know, his room has all of
Joel Comm: this and what's been released. So was that all bogus?
Joel Comm: He didn't have anything.
Alex Cody Foster: We talked about his Deadman's switch a few times. In fact,
Alex Cody Foster: it's in the book, too. And he mentioned I asked him,
Alex Cody Foster: you know, after he told me some crazy things, like
Alex Cody Foster: he had built up a backdoor in his software to
Alex Cody Foster: spy on everyone. I asked him, John, why don't you
Alex Cody Foster: release this information? He said, Because if I do, I'm
Alex Cody Foster: a dead man. But when I was.
Travis Wright: On D.O.A., baby. Yeah, yeah.
Alex Cody Foster: He said, But when I do die, whether it's by
Alex Cody Foster: accident or it's natural causes or it's not an accident,
Alex Cody Foster: he said this information will be released out. He told
Alex Cody Foster: me it was in the it was in law offices,
Alex Cody Foster: like five different law offices all around the world with
Alex Cody Foster: trusted lawyers who were going to bring that material forward.
Alex Cody Foster: And he said it was with other people as well.
Alex Cody Foster: And he didn't tell me who. But, you know, we
Alex Cody Foster: talked about it at one point. And he did mention,
Alex Cody Foster: you know, I said to them, why are you afraid?
Alex Cody Foster: You know, these people are going to kill you. And
Alex Cody Foster: he said, Well, Alex, what if there's this tactical operation
Alex Cody Foster: and everybody, you know, hits my dead men, switches my
Alex Cody Foster: locations at once, they take them, they get the word out,
Alex Cody Foster: they say, Yeah, 15 minutes. We got all of them.
Alex Cody Foster: Let's take them out and then kill me. He said,
Alex Cody Foster: I won't know what the fuck is going on. I
Alex Cody Foster: won't know it will be. You know what? Nobody's going
Alex Cody Foster: to let me know if they get all of them.
Alex Cody Foster: And once they take them all at once, then I'm
Alex Cody Foster: a dead.
Travis Wright: Wow. It's out. You got to watch out for that
Travis Wright: mean streak. I'll tell you what. You know, watching this
Travis Wright: thing and again, as George said, you got to watch
Travis Wright: this documentary. The book just came out today. And the documentary,
Travis Wright: what about about an hour and a half or so?
Travis Wright: Take a look at it. Watch it in the end
Travis Wright: of what's going on, because John McAfee was on a
Travis Wright: wild ride, folks. He was on a while.
Joel Comm: Here's the book, by the way. The book is titled
Joel Comm: Different The Man Who Hacked the World A Ghostwriters Descent
Joel Comm: into Madness with John Malcolm's date, November 15th, 2022. I
Joel Comm: don't know who else has bought it, but I'm going
Joel Comm: to go ahead and support right now. You guys don't
Joel Comm: need to see my password to log in and stuff,
Joel Comm: but I'm going to go ahead and pick up a
Joel Comm: copy here and have it shipped to Puerto Rico, because
Joel Comm: it sounds like an amazing read.
Alex Cody Foster: Thanks, man. I appreciate that.
Joel Comm: Maybe. Maybe I'm number one who.
Travis Wright: But I think that you are an atomic punk. I'm
Travis Wright: saying that.
Alex Cody Foster: It's been on pre-sale for a couple of months, and
Alex Cody Foster: I guess it's in the top 5% of sales or
Alex Cody Foster: something that they've ever had. And just because.
Joel Comm: The surprise me.
Alex Cody Foster: Doesn't surprise.
Joel Comm: Me, I mean, it's that they've ever.
Travis Wright: Had.
Alex Cody Foster: Yeah, that's yeah, it's in the history of the publisher.
Alex Cody Foster: So I guess it's mostly.
Travis Wright: To my brother.
Alex Cody Foster: I guess so. I don't know. We'll see if it sucks.
Alex Cody Foster: Maybe it does. Who knows?
Travis Wright: I don't know.
Joel Comm: I mean, it sure doesn't.
Travis Wright: Yeah, I'm sure it does. Anything else you'd like folks
Travis Wright: to know about John McAfee in this crazy journey you
Travis Wright: were on?
Alex Cody Foster: Shit. I don't know. That's a that's a big question.
Joel Comm: We're like, big questions. The bad crypto podcast, because we're
Joel Comm: human beings, humans being. Isn't that the title?
Travis Wright: Human human being is being. How many have we covered?
Travis Wright: We've got at least 20.
Joel Comm: I don't know. Somebody out there is counting. Maybe.
Alex Cody Foster: And if you guys need like a ticker every time
Alex Cody Foster: the reference that's made with like Eddie Van Halen's face
Alex Cody Foster: popping up, you know, like rocking out, you should do that.
Travis Wright: I can.
Joel Comm: Stage swing it across and battle.
Alex Cody Foster: It. Well, yeah, I can answer that question with a
Alex Cody Foster: hopefully half decent answer. So John is one of those
Alex Cody Foster: rare people in the world who is unquantifiable. You can't
Alex Cody Foster: ever solve the mystery of John. I spent 430 pages
Alex Cody Foster: trying to do so, and I spent six months with
Alex Cody Foster: him and have more time with him than any other writer.
Alex Cody Foster: Representative Media and I still barely scratched the surface because
Alex Cody Foster: he is so adding back. So I was was so brilliant.
Alex Cody Foster: I was so disturbed. You know, he's he's probably going
Alex Cody Foster: to be an enduring mystery. And I think that's why people.
Alex Cody Foster: You know, have flocked to the film and why people
Alex Cody Foster: are buying the book because they love mysteries. And you
Alex Cody Foster: got one here with John.
Joel Comm: That is. That is for sure. So when we had Janis,
Joel Comm: you know, we've assumed that Janice's, his wife, did. Now,
Joel Comm: I don't know if legally at least you know by
Joel Comm: the state if that's true or not. But I did
Joel Comm: not realize that he had this other girlfriend. And like,
Joel Comm: what were the dynamics of that? Were they there at
Joel Comm: the same time, or was there a crossover where he
Joel Comm: was no longer with Samantha and he was with Janice?
Alex Cody Foster: So that was before my time. But I know the story,
Alex Cody Foster: and this is 2012. John was with five or six
Alex Cody Foster: younger girls at that period of time, and he went
Alex Cody Foster: to Miami and he was at the News Cafe and
Alex Cody Foster: he met James on top.
Travis Wright: Of the world, Miami, four or five women at the
Travis Wright: same time.
Alex Cody Foster: He was having a ball, but he met Janice. And
Alex Cody Foster: I don't know if you would call it love, but
Alex Cody Foster: they had something that. I've never.
Travis Wright: Seen before. I want to love all five at the
Travis Wright: same time. You know what? God bless you, John.
Joel Comm: He saw her and he was like, Oh, pretty woman.
Alex Cody Foster: Mm hmm. Then, you know, you got to understand in
Alex Cody Foster: this relates to the question earlier about Sam's. He had
Alex Cody Foster: promised Sam the world. He promised her uncle he was
Alex Cody Foster: going to marry her. He promised her he was going
Alex Cody Foster: to marry her because she came from like a you know,
Alex Cody Foster: from poverty. Right. She she wanted a life and a
Alex Cody Foster: future with him. And then he met Janis and he
Alex Cody Foster: threw it all away. He didn't ever go back to Sam.
Alex Cody Foster: And so that's what happened. And I think it's partly
Alex Cody Foster: why she brought that up in the movie is she
Alex Cody Foster: wanted to hold on to some last little piece of
Alex Cody Foster: John that she had, even if it was fabricated. You know,
Alex Cody Foster: and maybe it was like a slight a slight to Janis,
Alex Cody Foster: you know, like he called me, not you, you know,
Alex Cody Foster: like he he called me saying he want to run
Alex Cody Foster: away with me. But, you know, in my opinion, John
Alex Cody Foster: left a lot of people. He abandoned a lot of people.
Alex Cody Foster: He actually did hurt a lot of people. And she
Alex Cody Foster: was one of them, you know.
Travis Wright: Left a lot of people wanting him to finish what
Travis Wright: he started. And he just not doing that. Wow. I'll
Travis Wright: tell you what's a wild, wild, wild story. And now
Travis Wright: you got a book coming out today and you can
Travis Wright: learn a little bit more about that, I would say.
Travis Wright: Bottoms up, brother.
Joel Comm: Yeah. If you haven't seen the documentary yet, go to
Joel Comm: Netflix and watch Running with the Devil. It's an amazing documentary.
Joel Comm: You can see Alex's website at Alex Foster Ghostwriter dot com.
Joel Comm: And then the book, The Man Who Hacked the World. See,
Joel Comm: there's the proof. You purchased a hardcover form out of
Joel Comm: this today. A ghost rider. Descent into Madness with John McAfee.
Joel Comm: And just a quick note here that as a ghostwriter
Joel Comm: for many years, you have a course ghostwriting university dot com.
Joel Comm: If you want to find out how to get paid
Joel Comm: to write words and do stuff. Alex's got that here
Joel Comm: as well. So I recommend you guys go check it out.
Joel Comm: There is definitely big business and writing for other people.
Joel Comm: I should know because I've used ghostwriters multiple times for,
Joel Comm: for my words as well. You know, you can you
Joel Comm: can take your the concepts from the subject of the
Joel Comm: book and have somebody who's more disciplined and better at
Joel Comm: paragraphs and punctuation put it all together for you a weave,
Joel Comm: a narrative. And at least on my books, I always
Joel Comm: go in and make sure, Yep, I would say it
Joel Comm: like that. Or no, that's I didn't. I wouldn't mean that.
Joel Comm: I would never say that. This is what I said.
Joel Comm: Make sure that it's accurate. But it saves a lot
Joel Comm: of time, especially if, you know, I can I can
Joel Comm: pound out an article in no time, sit me down
Joel Comm: on my laptop and you want a thousand words on
Joel Comm: whatever the topic is. I'm like, But tell me, I
Joel Comm: got to write 50,000 words and I just like, I
Joel Comm: want to shoot myself. I just, you know.
Travis Wright: That's what we were talking about it. Yeah, you were
Travis Wright: talking about recording your voice, interviewing with the person that's there,
Travis Wright: actually your words, how you transcribe your words. Here are
Travis Wright: my words. Put them together coherently and I'll go back.
Travis Wright: And that's the smart way to do it. I actually
Travis Wright: when I wrote my book, I used I used Google
Travis Wright: Docs and and spoke my book and then it translated
Travis Wright: it really easily. Then I went back in and edit.
Joel Comm: I learned that from Alex Mendoza, an Internet marketer, many
Joel Comm: years ago. He called it writing at the speed of
Joel Comm: sound where you dictate your book and then transcribe it
Joel Comm: and then work through it. So Alex, what would you
Joel Comm: say to aspiring ghostwriters out there?
Alex Cody Foster: It's the best kept secret of the literary industry. You know, 80%
Alex Cody Foster: of nonfiction books are written by people like me, and
Alex Cody Foster: it's an amazing job. It doesn't really feel like a job.
Alex Cody Foster: You know, you travel the world, you meet fascinating people.
Alex Cody Foster: You make really good money. If you're great at what
Alex Cody Foster: you do, make a quarter million a year, half a
Alex Cody Foster: million a year. You know, I just partnered with James
Alex Cody Foster: Patterson's co-author, and we're going to start spearheading a new
Alex Cody Foster: fiction series and try to emulate James Patterson's writing empire.
Travis Wright: Yes, he's amazing. He's amazing. I read the John Lennon
Travis Wright: book that basically that went in that whole process of
Travis Wright: John Lennon. And then the parallel universe was Mark David Chapman.
Travis Wright: And it talked about how John Lennon has gone through
Travis Wright: the Beatles. And I was there and at the same
Travis Wright: time a million things. And then here's Mark David Chapman,
Travis Wright: and then they collided on the street of noon. It
Travis Wright: was it was one of the best books that I've
Travis Wright: sort of read as a nonfiction, sort of a real
Travis Wright: story about a sad topic, because I was John Lennon
Travis Wright: would have been around these last 40 years also as
Travis Wright: Jimi Hendrix would have been around to everybody else. Condi.
Travis Wright: But those two are really shit.
Alex Cody Foster: I didn't even know about that book. I got to
Alex Cody Foster: check it out.
Travis Wright: That's called Let's Get It Right.
Joel Comm: Everybody else can buy you What are you live on
Joel Comm: Main Street?
Travis Wright: Traverse is everybody is going to die eventually. Joel I
Travis Wright: don't know if you know that, but eventually nobody makes
Travis Wright: it off of this rock like that. Hey, Alex Smith.
Travis Wright: And it's true. I want to say thank you. This
Travis Wright: interview was not great, but it was good enough.
Alex Cody Foster: Good? As long as I wasn't bad, I. So I
Alex Cody Foster: figured it would be a good analogy.
Joel Comm: I just want to say pound cake.
Alex Cody Foster: I will eat some.
Joel Comm: I didn't even count the number of Van Halen references.
Joel Comm: There's a lot. Maybe you guys can write us back
Joel Comm: or podcasts at gmail.com and let us know how many
Joel Comm: songs we reference. Feel free to list them all out.
Travis Wright: Mm hmm. Yeah. Or tweet us. I think that that
Travis Wright: there's at least there's at least 25.
Joel Comm: Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot. We pulled them.
Travis Wright: Some of them you probably don't even. Even. They might
Travis Wright: not have said because we were pretty smooth on how
Travis Wright: we set them. Ours was obvious that we were dropping
Travis Wright: a reference, but that's just the way it is. Who?
Travis Wright: Who was better cast, as is.
Joel Comm: David Lee Roth or Sammy Hagar?
Travis Wright: Oh, you know, I think both of them have their
Travis Wright: their pick one. You have to pick one. Well, it
Travis Wright: would always be David Lee Roth. Of course, Van Halen
Travis Wright: wasn't Van Halen until I mean, David Lee Roth was there.
Travis Wright: And like those first seven albums were amazing and they
Travis Wright: dropped or six albums or whatever it is they just
Travis Wright: dropped and boom, boom, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83.
Travis Wright: Almost every year they drop one, which is where they
Travis Wright: were never number one until 1984, or they was almost
Travis Wright: number one in 1984. And they didn't quite because like
Travis Wright: Michael Jackson or something. But then then Van Hagar happens
Travis Wright: and then they get a bunch of number ones. I
Travis Wright: think that's just a result of all the hard work
Travis Wright: they put in. Now, I do think that Dave got
Travis Wright: his big ego in place and he was he was
Travis Wright: having a lot of fun making these videos and he says,
Travis Wright: You know what? I want to go do my own
Travis Wright: thing and be Hollywood, Dave, and do all these videos and.
Travis Wright: And then he just had a really big ego. And
Travis Wright: I could see why they kicked him out because his
Travis Wright: head was huge. Even whenever they brought him back after
Travis Wright: they let Hagar go and he came back for a
Travis Wright: tour and he was This is my night is all
Travis Wright: about me, you know, and it's not. And they kicked
Travis Wright: him out again and they got Gary to run. And
Travis Wright: then finally they brought him back. After Dave, his ego
Travis Wright: was released. The best showman, one of the best, if
Travis Wright: not the best showman in rock and roll. David Lee Roth. Now,
Travis Wright: I do think that Mick Jagger, amazing, probably the best,
Travis Wright: but holy shit, like Van Halen's as a live guy who.
Joel Comm: Yeah, I think Sammy was a suitable replacement, but Van
Joel Comm: Hagar was not better than the original Van.
Travis Wright: Halen, and maybe he sold more albums there during that
Travis Wright: time or had higher ratings. But overall, David Lee Roth
Travis Wright: is spectacular.
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Joel Comm: you guys to have.
Travis Wright: I'd say keep an eye on that space because there's
Travis Wright: going to be some new stuff that's going to be
Travis Wright: popping up in that. As bad crypto community grows into
Travis Wright: a collective as we're working with those guys and uncut,
Travis Wright: hopefully they're able to deliver on some of the things
Travis Wright: that they're talking about. If so, that space could get
Travis Wright: a lot cooler and we'll be able to do a
Travis Wright: lot more fun stuff over there. So we've also been.
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Travis Wright: To be so great. We are.
Joel Comm: So good.
Travis Wright: Grade over. You know, I.
Joel Comm: Remember hearing those songs when they were new because I
Joel Comm: was listening to AM FM radio, when I remember when
Joel Comm: Van Halen first came.
Travis Wright: Out and I was This.
Joel Comm: Rocks, and then you would just look forward.
Travis Wright: If anyone's got a new.
Joel Comm: Album, you'd hear. And I got to tell you, when
Joel Comm: Jump came out, I was not impressed. I thought, Oh,
Joel Comm: they're going synth. Like everybody else in the eighties. And
Joel Comm: Jump is not Jump is fun, but it doesn't rock
Joel Comm: the way earlier stuff does.
Travis Wright: Mm hmm. Oh, I think that was the some getting
Travis Wright: a little Hollywood. They started thinking about what can we
Travis Wright: do for our videos, what can we do to do
Travis Wright: to remain relevant and think about it? You know, that's
Travis Wright: they've been doing it for a while. They're like, you
Travis Wright: don't you're not guaranteed to have a super long career
Travis Wright: any time you're off. But they were launching what what
Travis Wright: I loved about it and there's a really good documentary
Travis Wright: on Amazon Prime about Van Halen. It talks about those
Travis Wright: early years. So Van Halen got together in like 71
Travis Wright: of 72, and they were just playing backyards and, you know,
Travis Wright: doing stuff on the Hollywood strip and stuff for a
Travis Wright: long time. And then actually Gene Simmons of KISS was
Travis Wright: going to sign them and they put together a record
Travis Wright: and demo, and he took it to New York and
Travis Wright: they did a live it wherever he took it. You
Travis Wright: didn't like Van Halen and so sorry, you know, they
Travis Wright: didn't get signed, but then later they got signed. And
Travis Wright: their whole album, I mean, Hail on one is just spectacular.
Travis Wright: If you've never heard it before, put it on Spotify
Travis Wright: or on on your YouTube, put your headphones on and
Travis Wright: just listen to that album for the first time. It'll
Travis Wright: blow you away. It's such a great debut album.
Joel Comm: Eddie Van Halen. Rest in peace. You are officially unchained.