S1: It seems a week doesn't go by that we don't
S1: hear about someone in the crypto space losing their crypto
S1: or nfts to scammers, hackers and other ne'er do wells.
S1: Back in 2017 we talked about how Travis got hacked
S1: and almost lost his cryptos. Kevin Rose lost $1,000,000 in
S1: Nfts in a wallet draining attack just last month. And
S1: now it's finally happened. I got phished. It was an
S1: incredibly stupid mistake that could have and should have been avoided.
S1: But it's what happened subsequently that I find the most disturbing.
S1: Most of all. It's proof that it can happen to
S1: absolutely anyone. Today we talk about how you can protect
S1: yourself through technology and hyper awareness. On our Joel doesn't
S1: meet Trey Anastasio but still gets phished. Episode number 670.
S1: Of the Bad Crypto podcast. Five for.
S2: Three.
S3: How are there all of the other food banks?
S1: And yes, it is finally happened here at the Republic
S1: of Bad Cryptopia a thief has taken my NFT is
S1: like to say I gave them to him. Joel, Come here, sir.
S1: Lord Travis right there. How are you doing? Good, sir.
S2: Well, welcome to the club.
S1: Yeah, I got to say, man, there's. There's a lot
S1: of things to be learned from this. And I want
S1: to talk about what happened. They were NFT was and
S1: you and I briefly said, well, shouldn't this be a
S1: nifty show? But honestly, it's the same type of thing
S1: that can happen to any of your cryptos. Nfts are
S1: just cryptos. They're just nonfungible instead of fungible tokens.
S2: This podcast, sponsored by Leger, makes sure to get you
S2: to put all your cryptos on there and they're finished
S2: or bits slapped.
S1: And Pfizer, don't forget to get your 18th boost.
S2: This show not actually sponsored by anyone. But you know
S2: what it is? It's so interesting when, you know, Joel
S2: mentioned at the top there, you know, Kevin Rose is
S2: one of the most probably proficient interwebs out there. Right.
S2: He's built some of the most amazing properties. He's still
S2: got hacked, Mr. Beast. He got his stuff stole. We'll
S2: talk about that a little bit. He could have got
S2: hacked and had all of his crypto. So he did
S2: it because he he was able to circumvent that. I mean,
S2: my phone number got switched, right? So what number was
S2: that episode number 41.
S1: Yeah, it was number 41. We got a link to
S1: it in the show notes and we'll have several links
S1: that you're going to want in this episode. So go
S1: to bad code dot iron. Forward slash 670 for those
S1: links you know and we called that episode Travis gets
S1: hacked but honestly you didn't get hacked you got jacked right?
S1: SIM swapped, you got SIM jacked is what happened. Yeah. So,
S1: you know, most of what we call hacking isn't actually hacking.
S1: People can't hack into your wallet unless they actually have
S1: your keys. What we talk about when we say people
S1: get hacked is usually a result of social engineering, clicking
S1: on fake links, that type of thing. That's what Kevin
S1: Rose did, right? He got caught with a phishing link.
S2: Yeah, and I assume that's what happened with you. I
S2: don't even really know the story. So this will be
S2: probably mostly a Joel centric episode where he's talking because
S2: he knows most of the details of what occurred. So
S2: I'm not even sure exactly how it happened. So where
S2: did it all begin?
S1: Joel Yeah, so that's what's really interesting about that is
S1: I don't know exactly how it begun as some point
S1: a conversation initiated with somebody on Discord. And here's the thing.
S1: I've been on discord for years now, and one of
S1: the morals, you know, one of the things that, you know,
S1: not to do on Discord is accept DMS from strangers,
S1: especially those acting with authority over another collection. Those are
S1: most of the time phishing links.
S2: Right? So it's a little bit different probably for us
S2: because people are like, Hey, we want to come on
S2: the nifty show, hey, how is this work, etc., etc..
S2: So I think in some ways that could get set up. Now,
S2: I personally don't respond. I'll tell people to hit me,
S2: hit me on Twitter or something, or hit me on
S2: email because you know, the DMS on Discord, they seem
S2: really spammy and there's not really any way to verify
S2: those DMS a lot of times. And so that could
S2: be this vulnerable vulnerability. Number one right there is, is
S2: pay attention to the DMS you get.
S1: Yep, pay attention to the DMS. And I honestly do
S1: not recall how the conversation with this person started, but
S1: I got booted from a an NFT group that I
S1: was in and I don't know how that happened. I
S1: have a feeling that this person is the one that
S1: did it. So now as I'm thinking this through, I
S1: was in the The Sewer Rats Social Club. It's something
S1: I've been in since 2021. They were one of the
S1: OGs of, of of PSP Nfts They happened before the
S1: board a yacht club and I've got a bunch of
S1: these in my wallet. Oh, you know what? I'm wrong.
S1: It's not the sewer apes, it's the goats Maison de Goat.
S1: So that's another collection. Right around the same time it
S1: was the goats. And and I was I got a
S1: message from somebody that I had spammed that group and
S1: was booted from it. Well, I went and looked for
S1: that group, and sure enough, I was banned from that group.
S1: So it gave legitimacy to it. It appeared to be
S1: a mod telling me I got banned. Now he's probably
S1: the one that reported me as having spammed and got
S1: me booted from the group. Now this is beginning to
S1: make sense. So he messaged me and told me and
S1: he sent me a screenshot and in the screenshot of
S1: this alleged spam that I posted, which I did not,
S1: was my profile picture and name. But of course I
S1: didn't do that. And I told him I didn't do
S1: that and he won. Nope, my wallet was and I
S1: told him my wallet, blah blah blah. And he said
S1: he was reinstating me because he was really sorry. And
S1: I went to click into the Discord. I still couldn't
S1: join the Discord. He said, Oh, that's our Dao Discord.
S1: Here's the one direct to the collection. And like an idiot,
S1: I clicked on it. I went to that discord and
S1: I went to the collab Land Verify, and that's now
S1: when you do a collab land verify, you're going to often,
S1: if it's the first time with that wallet, get a
S1: transaction saying. You know that. Okay. Does this You and
S1: I did it in the moment. I did it. My
S1: Syrian app on my phone lit up and four of
S1: my apes from the Bulls and Apes collection. I'll actually
S1: show them to you right here from one of my
S1: other wallets. I actually owned 32 of these that we're
S1: getting ready to reveal. And they've just revealed today. You
S1: can see my apes right here. Bulls and Apes is
S1: a really cool collection. And I had moved these divided
S1: them between eight wallets. And so only four of them
S1: remained in that primary wallet. Now I'm thinking about that
S1: and realizing if I had not divided up those 32 apes,
S1: they'd all be different wallets. I would have lost all
S1: 32 of them. I lost four of them. And then
S1: I looked at my men. And these are.
S2: The four that were stolen.
S1: No, these are these are a different wallet. These are mine.
S1: So one of the other wallets. And I'm really grateful
S1: that I divided them up.
S2: Now, let me ask you that. Let me ask you that,
S2: because that's maybe abnormal behavior, whereas most people probably have
S2: one wallet or maybe two. Why was that? What spurred
S2: your intuition to say, let me divide these amongst eight?
S2: Was there a benefit for. Yes, there was.
S1: There was actually a benefit. What we were told by
S1: the team is that for every wallet that had four
S1: in them, you were going to get a bonus loot
S1: box that you're going to be able to open here
S1: to customize your apes. And so it had that not
S1: been offered, I would have lost all 32 of those and.
S2: Maybe some of the bulls as well. But well.
S1: Here's so I have a lot of different wallets. I
S1: have multiple hard wallets. I have keys stored elsewhere. Like
S1: I'm just I'm super protective. And that's why this in
S1: these were even on a ledger. I just moved everything
S1: from from from hot storage to cold storage so that
S1: stupid stuff wouldn't happen. And I still clicked to verify
S1: that transaction. And then I looked at my metamask and
S1: I saw there were 37 transactions waiting to be approved.
S1: And so I clicked reject all because basically he would
S1: have wiped my wallet of so many of these. And
S1: here's the other ironic part about this and where you
S1: guys really need to pay attention and make sure you're equipped.
S1: I installed a Chrome extension on my computer that goes
S1: with Metamask called Stylo. stel0s Tello Stylo Labs dot com
S1: is where this is. And this is really cool because
S1: you probably can't see this on my screen share because
S1: it's a pop up. But what it does, every time
S1: there's a transaction, you get a pop up first that
S1: tells you exactly what's happening. And as you could see here,
S1: it tells you if it looks risky, it tells you
S1: exactly how much money you're sending. It tells you where
S1: you're sending NF TS. And so this is like like
S1: a condom over your metamask that.
S2: They don't steal all your stuff.
S1: Correct. And so I had it installed. I didn't have
S1: it turned on.
S2: Oh, no.
S1: It's like having a condom by the side of the bed.
S2: Yeah. Joel went roadhog all up in that fish.
S1: Yeah. So I got, I got fish. But here's, that's
S1: not the most amazing part. And by the way, this
S1: is this is very common. This is what we call
S1: social engineering. It's a very constructed and thought through process
S1: by these scammers to, to take your crypto or your
S1: NFT is this is what happened to Kevin Rose and
S1: there's a link to the story where he got he
S1: lost like $1,000,000 in Nfts from a from a phishing
S1: thing that happened to him. He followed a bad link and,
S1: and those entities are gone.
S2: Scammers crazy is you know, Joe is not a newbie
S2: in this space at all. He's probably one of the
S2: more advanced people when you think about do you divided
S2: 32 and empties in eight different wallets divided that all
S2: up have multiple ledgers and keys are who who has
S2: that probably point zero something percent of the people actually
S2: have that and he still got hacked.
S1: And I let my guard down. First of all, it
S1: was late at night. I was tired and.
S2: He just smoked a huge fat marijuana cigarette.
S1: That is not true, but it could have been true
S1: in some alternate life. And I. I just it was dumb.
S1: You know, you get so accustomed to this stuff that
S1: it's easy to let your guard down. And I remember
S1: when Kevin Rose did it and I thought, idiot, like,
S1: why would you fall for something so obvious? Is that
S1: you know not to do well. I did it.
S2: What an elaborate plan, Joel. I mean, seriously. So somehow
S2: this guy was able to engineer his way into a community,
S2: get a member who's been in there a long time out,
S2: and this is presumably before they even knew what your
S2: your address was. Right. Because. Okay, send me your address.
S2: Let me see so I can let you back on.
S2: Then once he then presumably he goes and looks at
S2: that wallet, sees what's in that wallet and says, hey,
S2: we can get you back in. Here's the link. It
S2: looks like a discord link, but and it takes you
S2: to some discord that may or may not be the
S2: right one, which then pops up the collab Land Verify,
S2: which is not a collab land verify woods. So that's
S2: a very highly intricate sort of scam system that was
S2: set up by these guys.
S1: Yeah. And so I'm actually going to share my Discord
S1: screen with you and I wish I had captured the
S1: full conversation before I went to bed that night because
S1: I had already been talking with the scammer. This is
S1: But he's deleted all of his text so you can't see,
S1: you know, what he said back to me. But this is,
S1: you know, when he was a social engineering me and
S1: then he apologized to me and that's when it went sideways.
S1: And I, I was I reacted emotionally. And it was.
S1: It was.
S2: 15. Did you. 15.
S1: Well, he said he was 15 then he was said
S1: he is 19 now. You can see here from all
S1: of my texts that there was a lot of back
S1: and forth, like we talked for at least 2 hours
S1: that night and he's deleted all of his stuff. But
S1: this is what.
S2: How come what is it? Why does it Dischord actually
S2: take these things into account and that that person's IP address,
S2: that person's she should be completely banned in Sean from
S2: being able to even use it because yeah, look what happened.
S2: But this court and a lot of these big tech
S2: customer service companies are just nonexistent.
S1: Yeah, it's pretty sad. But what's really sad is the
S1: conversation that I had with this guy. He's he says
S1: and I don't know if he did or not. He
S1: said he made $1,000,000 taking money and lost all but
S1: 200,000 on leverage trading. I'm like, You're going to lose
S1: the rest of it, too, because you're a criminal. Here's
S1: what really struck me. That makes me really sad. And
S1: I feel bad for the guy. For me, it's $1,000
S1: an NFT. Oh, well, you know, Nfts have been good.
S1: To me, that's life lesson learned. But for him, his
S1: moral compass is so broken that he truly believes that
S1: stealing my nfts is a game that he won and
S1: I lost. He sees it the same as Wall Street, that, hey,
S1: the financial institutions play this game, they play it legally.
S1: But he sees it as, Hey, if I'm not hurting
S1: my family or my friends, it doesn't matter. And I
S1: was when I realized that, wow, this person truly has
S1: no grasp on morality and was telling me, you know,
S1: your morality is not my morality, that we are in
S1: big trouble if there is a generation that has no
S1: moral foundation.
S2: Well, that's exactly where we are. There's that quote. I
S2: don't know exactly who said it, but it said tough,
S2: tough people create good times. Good times create weak people.
S2: Weak people create tough times. Right. And this this whole
S2: sort of thing, it's like here we are in tough times,
S2: create strong people and strong people create good times. Good
S2: times create is basically we we're in this line here
S2: where we have weak people, are creating tough times. And
S2: that whole quote comes into play right now where look
S2: at what's happened. There is no moral compass. Religion is
S2: pretty much gone for a lot of people, right. So
S2: they don't have the moralities of that. Marriage is marriage
S2: is gone. Everyone is now, you know, saying which gender
S2: they want to be and everything else. And there's a
S2: lot of there's a lot of and you can say
S2: who you feel you are and be that that's great.
S2: But this is this is a whole lot of wildness.
S2: I saw just the other day this lady who was
S2: a she was a she her they them something I'm
S2: not exactly sure, but she was offended. And then she
S2: got up and started screaming and just disrupted this whole meeting.
S2: And I say, wow, there's nothing more disruptive than an angry, offended, extroverted.
S2: He she they them whatever. Right. So it's like if
S2: they when they get upset, like they just don't they're
S2: just going to sit and scream screech in the sky.
S2: It's because I think maybe time out didn't really work
S2: when I was a kid. Grandma was like, you know what, Travis?
S2: Go out there and pick out a switch off that tree.
S2: I'm a beat your ass and you got your ass beat.
S2: And guess what? You behaved a little better. We're in
S2: a generation where nobody got their ass beat, and so
S2: they all just like a bunch of petulant little kids
S2: because they are. And they're going to be grow up
S2: to be petulant little bitch ass adults, right?
S1: Karens a whole a whole bunch of Karens. And the
S1: next generation is going to look at them and go, Yeah,
S1: we're not going to play that anymore. The pendulum's going
S1: to swing back.
S2: It's going to squeeze that.
S1: Hard and there's going to be a generation of children
S1: that are going to rebel against this alleged insanity, this
S1: alleged rebellion. And I even I told this kid, I said,
S1: you know, what would your what would your dad think
S1: of this? Oh, I you know, I would never tell him.
S1: I'm like, well, why if it's not wrong, you know,
S1: because dad would see it was wrong. Let me have
S1: a conversation with your father and see what? What?
S2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, thank you. Goodbye.
S1: I ended up like, you know, he. He said he
S1: couldn't get me the Nft's back because his developer had him. Like,
S1: for a moment there I thought he was that he
S1: might actually send them back because I ended up being
S1: nice to him and I ended up, you know, talking
S1: because he was like, I can bench to 20 and
S1: I'm well-liked in school. I get great grades, I got
S1: a 1500 on my A.C.T.. I'm like, That's great, but
S1: you're an idiot, you're a fool. And this is why.
S1: And you might end up going to prison over this stuff.
S1: All only 1% of people get caught. I'm like, you know,
S1: sooner or later it's going to catch up with you.
S1: It will, you know, whether you call it karma or,
S1: you know, you, you reap what you sow or what
S1: goes around comes around. I believe that. That that is
S1: a law of the universe and the universe is going
S1: to spank the crap out of you at some point.
S1: And I told him, you're going to remember this conversation.
S1: I'm sure this 17 year old with an undeveloped brain
S1: who thinks he's so smart and thinks he's being ethical
S1: and thinks, Oh, yeah, I know what you know, my
S1: my psychological development is at the age of 17 is
S1: going to get spanked hard and and he's going to
S1: remember our conversation. I'm sure of it.
S2: Hmm. I remember what was funny was I have a
S2: friend of mine who knew some people on the dark
S2: Web site. All right. What's his Twitter handle? Because the
S2: dude was tweeting me and then figured out his Twitter handle,
S2: figured out his Instagram, his girlfriend's Instagram. And then I
S2: started tweeting him pictures of him and his girlfriends kissing
S2: on Instagram and he freaked out. It was hilarious because
S2: this dude literally went into because when he got my phone,
S2: then I gave him access to my Gmail because you
S2: could do the reset through the SMS. And then it
S2: was trying to get into my Coinbase. But Coinbase, I
S2: used a different email specifically for that, so they couldn't
S2: get into my Coinbase, which what they were trying to do.
S2: Then they got into my apple, I got into my
S2: Twitter and then once you're in my Google, once they're
S2: in my Google, they can get in my Google drive,
S2: which I had some photos that some some hot nudes
S2: that some chicken sent me back in the day and
S2: then was posting those on my Twitter and then as
S2: do was just being an overall hassle. And then I
S2: figured out who he was. And then what was funny
S2: was he access my phone, logged in to his iPhone,
S2: and then through my find my iPhone app on mine,
S2: I was able to identify where he was and then
S2: locked his phone so he could not use that phone anymore.
S2: And so then he was back in the me, you know,
S2: like politics and call me King Daddy. And I was
S2: not so friendly. I was I was in no joke
S2: with the guy because he ended up getting nothing from
S2: me except being a pain in the ass. So it's
S2: just these guys, what are you going to do? We
S2: got a whole generation full of idiots who don't know
S2: what the hell are they going to do with their life?
S2: And then we got A.I. taking everything over. So you
S2: got these humans with too much time on their hands,
S2: and not enough money is in their pockets most generally,
S2: and most likely nefarious activities follow suit.
S1: For them in their friends. And he told me this
S1: is a game they compete to see who can steal
S1: the most. Look, I was not, you know, the ideal child.
S1: I remember taking money out of the cash register drawer.
S1: You know, when I was working at the pizza place,
S1: I remember I was I was a doorman at a
S1: club in in Dallas back in 1986. And people would pay,
S1: you know, $5, you know, cover fee to come in
S1: and cash and every other cash entry I shoved in
S1: my pocket. I remember walking out with $300 one night
S1: and thought I was, you know, hero. I didn't have
S1: a moral compass. I mean, I knew it was wrong,
S1: but I didn't care because I needed money. And I
S1: was 19 or 21 years old. I was just a
S1: stupid kid. And that's what happens. Stupid kids do stupid things.
S1: And and I was a stupid adult who let this
S1: stupid kid trick me. And it happens and it can
S1: happen to you. You sent me a video earlier of Mr.
S1: Beast talking about how somebody broke into his place. Tell
S1: the story.
S2: Yes, I just saw on this YouTube short, but apparently
S2: somebody robbed Mr. Beast before he got really huge. Right.
S2: And so he had taken a hundred grand invested in
S2: Bitcoin and then Bitcoin blew up. So this would have
S2: been like probably 2016, 2017 when he bought the Bitcoin.
S2: Then the Bitcoin was worth about $2 million. He was
S2: about to take some of that money, cash out and
S2: make some videos. This is before he really hit it
S2: big and somebody came in, stole his TV, stole his computer,
S2: stole his clothes, all kinds of stuff. And on his
S2: laptop there was a little Post-it note that said Bitcoin
S2: private key, like, oh, worst place to hide, like right
S2: there on the thing. And then he realizes like, Oh, shit,
S2: where's my lab? Where's my. Oh, God, I'm getting stolen. Oh, shit.
S2: So he went down to his other computer. They didn't
S2: steal his other computer and he had another note there.
S2: Bitcoin private key he had in a few places, went in,
S2: was able to move all of his bitcoin over before,
S2: so the dude didn't steal it. He was too busy
S2: about stealing another one of his TVs or whatever. Didn't
S2: go and getting his $2 million worth of bitcoin at
S2: that time.
S1: So that's a victory story right there. And the guy was,
S1: you know, not only a thief, but a truly stupid
S1: thief because he had.
S2: To watch a 2017 TV now and you could have
S2: had $2 million worth of Bitcoin in 2017, which is
S2: right now probably $5 million. But you think about that
S2: what Mr. Beast did with that turned all that money.
S2: And so basically he made his YouTube money by crypto,
S2: turn it into $2 million and then use that to
S2: fund more videos. So the moral.
S1: The moral of the story is, first of all, get
S1: cold storage, use a ledger or a trezor or something
S1: for your your cryptos, because at least then it's it's
S1: more challenging with with hot storage. It's a lot easier
S1: to get to your stuff and be socially engineered that way,
S1: at least with a ledger there is that, oh, transactions
S1: coming in, I need to approve it or you know,
S1: or disapprove it. Use the web extension. Still go on
S1: your metamask and and be careful about messages that you
S1: get from anybody on Discord, on Telegram, on tic TAC,
S1: on Instagram, on on signal, on anywhere. Be cautious and
S1: don't accept DMS from people. Always verify before you trust.
S1: Don't even trust. Verify what's going on first.
S2: So would you say that the fact that zero on
S2: the app on your mobile device messaged you, is that
S2: the first thing that alerted you that you were getting yanked?
S1: It is and so this is a free app and
S1: we can put a link to this into the shownotes
S1: z vr i0n is the app you can download. Not
S1: sure if they have it for android. I have it
S1: on my iOS and I don't connect my wallet to
S1: Siri and I just track my wallets on zero. And
S1: so you could just put an address in and tell
S1: it to send you notifications. So I tracked Travis's wallets.
S1: Every time Travis does a transaction, I want to know
S1: what he's up to. I track several friends and I
S1: get them very.
S2: I want my privacy. Joel, your violate my privacy.
S1: What blockchain? It's public ledger. And so I can see
S1: when you're transacting in nfts or in cryptos, Kazarian tells
S1: me in zero and lit up right away. And it
S1: said for bulls and apes, you know, NFT is sent to.
S1: And I'm like, Oh, crap. So thank you. ZIRIN That's
S1: another really great point. Travis. Go download the Syrian app.
S1: I'm going to find a link to that right now
S1: to put in.
S2: Yeah, that's good. The Syrian in the style of the
S2: kind of help you modify and monitor what it is
S2: you're trying to do to save your ass. I like that.
S1: App .01. com.
S2: I vr i o in.
S1: Syrian app is the one that you want to get. Yeah.
S1: I'll put a link to that into the shownotes at
S1: Syrian dot i o smart social web three wallet. Again,
S1: you don't need to use it for the wallet aspect.
S1: You can just track it. You can track any wallet
S1: you want without it making it a hot wallet. And
S1: so I recommend that. So you go Lessons learned. Here's
S1: another lesson Learn Trav. You can go and write a
S1: review and it'll get read on this podcast, especially if
S1: it's five stars. We got a review from Mike MOH
S1: 1271 fun and entertaining crypto podcast, five stars. He says
S1: It's a great show. Look forward to Joel and Travis
S1: podcast every week, including the nifty show. Listen to it.
S1: So often my fiancee is saying the stay bad in
S1: the intro every time. Ha ha ha. While she isn't
S1: really into crypto, she enjoys listening to Stay Bad five Stars.
S1: All these other reviewers giving less than five are little whiners.
S2: Little whiners. What? Little whiners?
S1: That's right.
S2: If you if you leave us, I got a three
S2: star or two or one. I assume you have a
S2: minuscule manhood. So, Mike, go ahead. Just self-identify your microbial.
S1: Mike, Thanks for listening and hope you guys learn something today.
S1: I know I have this week and this is not,
S1: you know, fool me once, shame on.
S2: You. You won't get fooled again.
S1: Fool me twice, shame on me. So this I you
S1: know what? I'm just going to jump right ahead to
S1: the fool me twice. Shame on me. I should have
S1: known better.
S2: Yeah, well, you know what? At least that guy's self
S2: identified as having a micro penis.
S1: He did? Yeah. Yeah. Like in micro morality, too. When
S1: we say stay bad, we don't mean be an asshole.
S1: We mean just stay there.
S3: A group Whose band?
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S1: professional financial advisor. Trev, I don't know if you're aware,
S1: but the feedback from the show that we did recently
S1: about I was fantastic. And I think we should like
S1: do a spinoff show because, you know, I does overlap
S1: some into blockchain, but mostly not.
S2: Hmm. And mostly what we've been is sort of the
S2: Sherpa to new technologies, right? This whole world of crypto
S2: and an NFT is an metaverse and play to earn.
S2: And I just fits right in with what it is
S2: that we do.
S1: The Sherpa DARPA's I believe.
S2: It was a show or the Serpent Sherpas. Yeah, sure.
S2: Be very sensitive to crypto.
S1: Well, let's let's talk about that a little bit more.
S1: And you guys who get to the privilege of listening
S1: to these Easter eggs because, you know, sometimes we go
S1: on after the show is actually over. Stay tuned.
S2: This isn't an Easter egg. This is more like a
S2: Halloween treat, like a cherry tree.
S1: Are we going to trick or treat them?
S2: I don't know. To be determined.
S1: Well, we'll let air decide.
S2: Oh, and that's how we can in the show as
S2: stay I bad?
S3: Yeah.
S2: That's good.