WEBVTT - SCAM ALERT: Joel Got Phished for NFTs 0:00:00.300 --> 0:00:03.630 It seems a week doesn't go by that we don't 0:00:03.630 --> 0:00:06.660 hear about someone in the crypto space losing their crypto 0:00:06.660 --> 0:00:10.590 or nfts to scammers, hackers and other ne'er do wells. 0:00:10.830 --> 0:00:14.190 Back in 2017 we talked about how Travis got hacked 0:00:14.190 --> 0:00:18.480 and almost lost his cryptos. Kevin Rose lost $1,000,000 in 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:22.140 Nfts in a wallet draining attack just last month. And 0:00:22.140 --> 0:00:26.520 now it's finally happened. I got phished. It was an 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:30.420 incredibly stupid mistake that could have and should have been avoided. 0:00:30.660 --> 0:00:34.379 But it's what happened subsequently that I find the most disturbing. 0:00:34.590 --> 0:00:36.780 Most of all. It's proof that it can happen to 0:00:36.780 --> 0:00:40.320 absolutely anyone. Today we talk about how you can protect 0:00:40.320 --> 0:00:45.330 yourself through technology and hyper awareness. On our Joel doesn't 0:00:45.330 --> 0:00:51.150 meet Trey Anastasio but still gets phished. Episode number 670. 0:00:52.140 --> 0:00:55.350 Of the Bad Crypto podcast. Five for. 0:00:55.800 --> 0:00:56.360 Three. 0:00:57.060 --> 0:01:03.650 How are there all of the other food banks? 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:26.100 And yes, it is finally happened here at the Republic 0:01:26.100 --> 0:01:31.830 of Bad Cryptopia a thief has taken my NFT is 0:01:31.830 --> 0:01:35.759 like to say I gave them to him. Joel, Come here, sir. 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:38.130 Lord Travis right there. How are you doing? Good, sir. 0:01:38.580 --> 0:01:39.840 Well, welcome to the club. 0:01:40.530 --> 0:01:46.110 Yeah, I got to say, man, there's. There's a lot 0:01:46.110 --> 0:01:49.350 of things to be learned from this. And I want 0:01:49.350 --> 0:01:52.920 to talk about what happened. They were NFT was and 0:01:52.920 --> 0:01:54.810 you and I briefly said, well, shouldn't this be a 0:01:54.810 --> 0:01:58.710 nifty show? But honestly, it's the same type of thing 0:01:58.710 --> 0:02:01.560 that can happen to any of your cryptos. Nfts are 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:05.100 just cryptos. They're just nonfungible instead of fungible tokens. 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:09.000 This podcast, sponsored by Leger, makes sure to get you 0:02:09.150 --> 0:02:12.869 to put all your cryptos on there and they're finished 0:02:12.870 --> 0:02:13.920 or bits slapped. 0:02:14.100 --> 0:02:16.889 And Pfizer, don't forget to get your 18th boost. 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:21.570 This show not actually sponsored by anyone. But you know 0:02:21.570 --> 0:02:24.540 what it is? It's so interesting when, you know, Joel 0:02:24.540 --> 0:02:27.180 mentioned at the top there, you know, Kevin Rose is 0:02:27.180 --> 0:02:31.090 one of the most probably proficient interwebs out there. Right. 0:02:31.110 --> 0:02:33.360 He's built some of the most amazing properties. He's still 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:36.690 got hacked, Mr. Beast. He got his stuff stole. We'll 0:02:36.690 --> 0:02:38.940 talk about that a little bit. He could have got 0:02:38.940 --> 0:02:40.830 hacked and had all of his crypto. So he did 0:02:40.830 --> 0:02:43.650 it because he he was able to circumvent that. I mean, 0:02:44.250 --> 0:02:46.740 my phone number got switched, right? So what number was 0:02:46.740 --> 0:02:47.940 that episode number 41. 0:02:48.210 --> 0:02:49.800 Yeah, it was number 41. We got a link to 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:51.690 it in the show notes and we'll have several links 0:02:51.690 --> 0:02:53.790 that you're going to want in this episode. So go 0:02:53.790 --> 0:02:59.160 to bad code dot iron. Forward slash 670 for those 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:03.510 links you know and we called that episode Travis gets 0:03:03.510 --> 0:03:07.650 hacked but honestly you didn't get hacked you got jacked right? 0:03:07.919 --> 0:03:12.000 SIM swapped, you got SIM jacked is what happened. Yeah. So, 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:16.169 you know, most of what we call hacking isn't actually hacking. 0:03:16.169 --> 0:03:20.910 People can't hack into your wallet unless they actually have 0:03:20.910 --> 0:03:23.760 your keys. What we talk about when we say people 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:29.579 get hacked is usually a result of social engineering, clicking 0:03:29.580 --> 0:03:32.010 on fake links, that type of thing. That's what Kevin 0:03:32.010 --> 0:03:34.470 Rose did, right? He got caught with a phishing link. 0:03:35.220 --> 0:03:37.530 Yeah, and I assume that's what happened with you. I 0:03:37.530 --> 0:03:39.270 don't even really know the story. So this will be 0:03:39.660 --> 0:03:43.260 probably mostly a Joel centric episode where he's talking because 0:03:43.260 --> 0:03:46.950 he knows most of the details of what occurred. So 0:03:46.980 --> 0:03:51.000 I'm not even sure exactly how it happened. So where 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:51.750 did it all begin? 0:03:51.750 --> 0:03:54.990 Joel Yeah, so that's what's really interesting about that is 0:03:54.990 --> 0:04:00.090 I don't know exactly how it begun as some point 0:04:00.300 --> 0:04:05.490 a conversation initiated with somebody on Discord. And here's the thing. 0:04:05.490 --> 0:04:08.730 I've been on discord for years now, and one of 0:04:08.730 --> 0:04:12.240 the morals, you know, one of the things that, you know, 0:04:12.240 --> 0:04:16.800 not to do on Discord is accept DMS from strangers, 0:04:16.980 --> 0:04:21.690 especially those acting with authority over another collection. Those are 0:04:21.870 --> 0:04:23.729 most of the time phishing links. 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:26.760 Right? So it's a little bit different probably for us 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:29.190 because people are like, Hey, we want to come on 0:04:29.190 --> 0:04:32.760 the nifty show, hey, how is this work, etc., etc.. 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:35.400 So I think in some ways that could get set up. Now, 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:38.380 I personally don't respond. I'll tell people to hit me, 0:04:38.730 --> 0:04:40.710 hit me on Twitter or something, or hit me on 0:04:41.100 --> 0:04:46.020 email because you know, the DMS on Discord, they seem 0:04:46.020 --> 0:04:50.099 really spammy and there's not really any way to verify 0:04:50.100 --> 0:04:52.950 those DMS a lot of times. And so that could 0:04:52.950 --> 0:04:56.710 be this vulnerable vulnerability. Number one right there is, is 0:04:56.730 --> 0:04:58.770 pay attention to the DMS you get. 0:04:59.250 --> 0:05:03.060 Yep, pay attention to the DMS. And I honestly do 0:05:03.089 --> 0:05:07.260 not recall how the conversation with this person started, but 0:05:08.010 --> 0:05:12.270 I got booted from a an NFT group that I 0:05:12.270 --> 0:05:16.739 was in and I don't know how that happened. I 0:05:16.740 --> 0:05:20.190 have a feeling that this person is the one that 0:05:20.190 --> 0:05:22.710 did it. So now as I'm thinking this through, I 0:05:22.710 --> 0:05:26.880 was in the The Sewer Rats Social Club. It's something 0:05:26.890 --> 0:05:29.730 I've been in since 2021. They were one of the 0:05:29.730 --> 0:05:35.190 OGs of, of of PSP Nfts They happened before the 0:05:35.190 --> 0:05:38.220 board a yacht club and I've got a bunch of 0:05:38.220 --> 0:05:40.590 these in my wallet. Oh, you know what? I'm wrong. 0:05:40.589 --> 0:05:43.979 It's not the sewer apes, it's the goats Maison de Goat. 0:05:43.980 --> 0:05:46.980 So that's another collection. Right around the same time it 0:05:46.980 --> 0:05:49.560 was the goats. And and I was I got a 0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:54.960 message from somebody that I had spammed that group and 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:57.960 was booted from it. Well, I went and looked for 0:05:57.960 --> 0:06:02.370 that group, and sure enough, I was banned from that group. 0:06:02.580 --> 0:06:05.910 So it gave legitimacy to it. It appeared to be 0:06:05.910 --> 0:06:08.640 a mod telling me I got banned. Now he's probably 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:13.230 the one that reported me as having spammed and got 0:06:13.230 --> 0:06:16.410 me booted from the group. Now this is beginning to 0:06:16.410 --> 0:06:19.380 make sense. So he messaged me and told me and 0:06:19.380 --> 0:06:21.989 he sent me a screenshot and in the screenshot of 0:06:21.990 --> 0:06:24.750 this alleged spam that I posted, which I did not, 0:06:25.050 --> 0:06:29.850 was my profile picture and name. But of course I 0:06:29.850 --> 0:06:32.640 didn't do that. And I told him I didn't do 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:34.560 that and he won. Nope, my wallet was and I 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:36.719 told him my wallet, blah blah blah. And he said 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:41.220 he was reinstating me because he was really sorry. And 0:06:41.220 --> 0:06:44.250 I went to click into the Discord. I still couldn't 0:06:44.250 --> 0:06:47.160 join the Discord. He said, Oh, that's our Dao Discord. 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:50.730 Here's the one direct to the collection. And like an idiot, 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:54.479 I clicked on it. I went to that discord and 0:06:54.480 --> 0:06:58.650 I went to the collab Land Verify, and that's now 0:06:58.650 --> 0:07:02.010 when you do a collab land verify, you're going to often, 0:07:02.010 --> 0:07:03.809 if it's the first time with that wallet, get a 0:07:03.810 --> 0:07:07.980 transaction saying. You know that. Okay. Does this You and 0:07:07.980 --> 0:07:10.470 I did it in the moment. I did it. My 0:07:10.470 --> 0:07:15.630 Syrian app on my phone lit up and four of 0:07:15.630 --> 0:07:19.710 my apes from the Bulls and Apes collection. I'll actually 0:07:19.710 --> 0:07:21.570 show them to you right here from one of my 0:07:21.570 --> 0:07:27.930 other wallets. I actually owned 32 of these that we're 0:07:27.930 --> 0:07:31.230 getting ready to reveal. And they've just revealed today. You 0:07:31.230 --> 0:07:33.810 can see my apes right here. Bulls and Apes is 0:07:33.810 --> 0:07:38.340 a really cool collection. And I had moved these divided 0:07:38.340 --> 0:07:42.960 them between eight wallets. And so only four of them 0:07:43.170 --> 0:07:47.520 remained in that primary wallet. Now I'm thinking about that 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:51.990 and realizing if I had not divided up those 32 apes, 0:07:51.990 --> 0:07:54.660 they'd all be different wallets. I would have lost all 0:07:54.660 --> 0:07:59.370 32 of them. I lost four of them. And then 0:07:59.370 --> 0:08:00.809 I looked at my men. And these are. 0:08:00.810 --> 0:08:01.800 The four that were stolen. 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:04.800 No, these are these are a different wallet. These are mine. 0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:08.160 So one of the other wallets. And I'm really grateful 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:09.300 that I divided them up. 0:08:10.170 --> 0:08:12.180 Now, let me ask you that. Let me ask you that, 0:08:12.180 --> 0:08:16.440 because that's maybe abnormal behavior, whereas most people probably have 0:08:16.440 --> 0:08:21.450 one wallet or maybe two. Why was that? What spurred 0:08:21.450 --> 0:08:23.790 your intuition to say, let me divide these amongst eight? 0:08:23.790 --> 0:08:26.040 Was there a benefit for. Yes, there was. 0:08:26.670 --> 0:08:28.920 There was actually a benefit. What we were told by 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:31.620 the team is that for every wallet that had four 0:08:31.620 --> 0:08:33.390 in them, you were going to get a bonus loot 0:08:33.390 --> 0:08:35.340 box that you're going to be able to open here 0:08:35.340 --> 0:08:39.960 to customize your apes. And so it had that not 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:45.000 been offered, I would have lost all 32 of those and. 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:47.370 Maybe some of the bulls as well. But well. 0:08:47.370 --> 0:08:50.040 Here's so I have a lot of different wallets. I 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:54.090 have multiple hard wallets. I have keys stored elsewhere. Like 0:08:54.090 --> 0:08:57.540 I'm just I'm super protective. And that's why this in 0:08:57.540 --> 0:09:00.960 these were even on a ledger. I just moved everything 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:05.670 from from from hot storage to cold storage so that 0:09:06.059 --> 0:09:10.440 stupid stuff wouldn't happen. And I still clicked to verify 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:12.900 that transaction. And then I looked at my metamask and 0:09:12.900 --> 0:09:17.820 I saw there were 37 transactions waiting to be approved. 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:22.500 And so I clicked reject all because basically he would 0:09:22.500 --> 0:09:26.950 have wiped my wallet of so many of these. And 0:09:27.059 --> 0:09:29.460 here's the other ironic part about this and where you 0:09:29.460 --> 0:09:32.400 guys really need to pay attention and make sure you're equipped. 0:09:32.730 --> 0:09:38.040 I installed a Chrome extension on my computer that goes 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:46.500 with Metamask called Stylo. stel0s Tello Stylo Labs dot com 0:09:46.500 --> 0:09:50.100 is where this is. And this is really cool because 0:09:50.670 --> 0:09:53.340 you probably can't see this on my screen share because 0:09:53.340 --> 0:09:57.990 it's a pop up. But what it does, every time 0:09:58.230 --> 0:10:02.400 there's a transaction, you get a pop up first that 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:06.120 tells you exactly what's happening. And as you could see here, 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:08.640 it tells you if it looks risky, it tells you 0:10:08.640 --> 0:10:11.760 exactly how much money you're sending. It tells you where 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:15.120 you're sending NF TS. And so this is like like 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:18.510 a condom over your metamask that. 0:10:18.630 --> 0:10:20.370 They don't steal all your stuff. 0:10:20.429 --> 0:10:24.300 Correct. And so I had it installed. I didn't have 0:10:24.300 --> 0:10:24.990 it turned on. 0:10:25.530 --> 0:10:26.579 Oh, no. 0:10:27.450 --> 0:10:29.640 It's like having a condom by the side of the bed. 0:10:30.390 --> 0:10:34.800 Yeah. Joel went roadhog all up in that fish. 0:10:35.190 --> 0:10:38.880 Yeah. So I got, I got fish. But here's, that's 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:41.130 not the most amazing part. And by the way, this 0:10:41.130 --> 0:10:43.170 is this is very common. This is what we call 0:10:43.170 --> 0:10:50.579 social engineering. It's a very constructed and thought through process 0:10:50.820 --> 0:10:55.530 by these scammers to, to take your crypto or your 0:10:55.530 --> 0:10:58.380 NFT is this is what happened to Kevin Rose and 0:10:58.380 --> 0:11:01.079 there's a link to the story where he got he 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:06.210 lost like $1,000,000 in Nfts from a from a phishing 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:09.900 thing that happened to him. He followed a bad link and, 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:11.849 and those entities are gone. 0:11:13.110 --> 0:11:17.250 Scammers crazy is you know, Joe is not a newbie 0:11:17.250 --> 0:11:19.050 in this space at all. He's probably one of the 0:11:19.050 --> 0:11:23.040 more advanced people when you think about do you divided 0:11:23.309 --> 0:11:26.600 32 and empties in eight different wallets divided that all 0:11:26.610 --> 0:11:30.060 up have multiple ledgers and keys are who who has 0:11:30.059 --> 0:11:33.630 that probably point zero something percent of the people actually 0:11:33.630 --> 0:11:35.730 have that and he still got hacked. 0:11:35.730 --> 0:11:39.870 And I let my guard down. First of all, it 0:11:39.870 --> 0:11:43.350 was late at night. I was tired and. 0:11:43.350 --> 0:11:45.720 He just smoked a huge fat marijuana cigarette. 0:11:45.929 --> 0:11:48.000 That is not true, but it could have been true 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:52.770 in some alternate life. And I. I just it was dumb. 0:11:53.220 --> 0:11:57.060 You know, you get so accustomed to this stuff that 0:11:57.059 --> 0:11:58.920 it's easy to let your guard down. And I remember 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:02.579 when Kevin Rose did it and I thought, idiot, like, 0:12:02.670 --> 0:12:05.700 why would you fall for something so obvious? Is that 0:12:05.700 --> 0:12:07.800 you know not to do well. I did it. 0:12:08.130 --> 0:12:12.030 What an elaborate plan, Joel. I mean, seriously. So somehow 0:12:12.030 --> 0:12:15.240 this guy was able to engineer his way into a community, 0:12:15.660 --> 0:12:18.570 get a member who's been in there a long time out, 0:12:18.870 --> 0:12:21.059 and this is presumably before they even knew what your 0:12:21.059 --> 0:12:24.719 your address was. Right. Because. Okay, send me your address. 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:26.430 Let me see so I can let you back on. 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:29.790 Then once he then presumably he goes and looks at 0:12:29.790 --> 0:12:32.520 that wallet, sees what's in that wallet and says, hey, 0:12:32.520 --> 0:12:34.980 we can get you back in. Here's the link. It 0:12:34.980 --> 0:12:38.610 looks like a discord link, but and it takes you 0:12:38.610 --> 0:12:40.530 to some discord that may or may not be the 0:12:40.530 --> 0:12:43.350 right one, which then pops up the collab Land Verify, 0:12:43.350 --> 0:12:46.860 which is not a collab land verify woods. So that's 0:12:46.860 --> 0:12:49.590 a very highly intricate sort of scam system that was 0:12:49.590 --> 0:12:50.729 set up by these guys. 0:12:51.179 --> 0:12:54.840 Yeah. And so I'm actually going to share my Discord 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:58.319 screen with you and I wish I had captured the 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:03.900 full conversation before I went to bed that night because 0:13:03.900 --> 0:13:07.079 I had already been talking with the scammer. This is 0:13:07.260 --> 0:13:11.819 But he's deleted all of his text so you can't see, 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:16.200 you know, what he said back to me. But this is, 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:20.550 you know, when he was a social engineering me and 0:13:20.550 --> 0:13:25.650 then he apologized to me and that's when it went sideways. 0:13:25.970 --> 0:13:34.000 And I, I was I reacted emotionally. And it was. 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:34.480 It was. 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:35.830 15. Did you. 15. 0:13:36.160 --> 0:13:38.050 Well, he said he was 15 then he was said 0:13:38.050 --> 0:13:40.300 he is 19 now. You can see here from all 0:13:40.300 --> 0:13:43.840 of my texts that there was a lot of back 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:47.439 and forth, like we talked for at least 2 hours 0:13:48.250 --> 0:13:51.760 that night and he's deleted all of his stuff. But 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:52.810 this is what. 0:13:53.679 --> 0:13:56.679 How come what is it? Why does it Dischord actually 0:13:56.679 --> 0:14:00.460 take these things into account and that that person's IP address, 0:14:00.460 --> 0:14:03.520 that person's she should be completely banned in Sean from 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:06.280 being able to even use it because yeah, look what happened. 0:14:06.460 --> 0:14:08.319 But this court and a lot of these big tech 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:11.240 customer service companies are just nonexistent. 0:14:11.620 --> 0:14:16.000 Yeah, it's pretty sad. But what's really sad is the 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:21.160 conversation that I had with this guy. He's he says 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:22.360 and I don't know if he did or not. He 0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:26.410 said he made $1,000,000 taking money and lost all but 0:14:26.410 --> 0:14:29.410 200,000 on leverage trading. I'm like, You're going to lose 0:14:29.410 --> 0:14:32.440 the rest of it, too, because you're a criminal. Here's 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:34.990 what really struck me. That makes me really sad. And 0:14:34.990 --> 0:14:37.240 I feel bad for the guy. For me, it's $1,000 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:40.120 an NFT. Oh, well, you know, Nfts have been good. 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:43.930 To me, that's life lesson learned. But for him, his 0:14:43.930 --> 0:14:49.450 moral compass is so broken that he truly believes that 0:14:49.450 --> 0:14:53.710 stealing my nfts is a game that he won and 0:14:53.710 --> 0:14:58.750 I lost. He sees it the same as Wall Street, that, hey, 0:14:58.750 --> 0:15:02.020 the financial institutions play this game, they play it legally. 0:15:02.830 --> 0:15:07.060 But he sees it as, Hey, if I'm not hurting 0:15:07.060 --> 0:15:11.860 my family or my friends, it doesn't matter. And I 0:15:11.860 --> 0:15:16.780 was when I realized that, wow, this person truly has 0:15:16.810 --> 0:15:20.770 no grasp on morality and was telling me, you know, 0:15:20.770 --> 0:15:24.100 your morality is not my morality, that we are in 0:15:24.100 --> 0:15:27.760 big trouble if there is a generation that has no 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:28.930 moral foundation. 0:15:29.410 --> 0:15:31.359 Well, that's exactly where we are. There's that quote. I 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:33.790 don't know exactly who said it, but it said tough, 0:15:34.090 --> 0:15:38.290 tough people create good times. Good times create weak people. 0:15:38.290 --> 0:15:42.280 Weak people create tough times. Right. And this this whole 0:15:42.520 --> 0:15:45.160 sort of thing, it's like here we are in tough times, 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:49.720 create strong people and strong people create good times. Good 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:53.440 times create is basically we we're in this line here 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:57.760 where we have weak people, are creating tough times. And 0:15:57.880 --> 0:16:01.780 that whole quote comes into play right now where look 0:16:01.780 --> 0:16:05.110 at what's happened. There is no moral compass. Religion is 0:16:05.110 --> 0:16:08.530 pretty much gone for a lot of people, right. So 0:16:08.530 --> 0:16:11.710 they don't have the moralities of that. Marriage is marriage 0:16:11.710 --> 0:16:15.280 is gone. Everyone is now, you know, saying which gender 0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:17.560 they want to be and everything else. And there's a 0:16:17.560 --> 0:16:20.320 lot of there's a lot of and you can say 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:22.210 who you feel you are and be that that's great. 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:25.480 But this is this is a whole lot of wildness. 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:28.180 I saw just the other day this lady who was 0:16:28.180 --> 0:16:30.880 a she was a she her they them something I'm 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:33.760 not exactly sure, but she was offended. And then she 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:36.730 got up and started screaming and just disrupted this whole meeting. 0:16:36.730 --> 0:16:43.300 And I say, wow, there's nothing more disruptive than an angry, offended, extroverted. 0:16:43.300 --> 0:16:45.790 He she they them whatever. Right. So it's like if 0:16:45.790 --> 0:16:47.710 they when they get upset, like they just don't they're 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:49.900 just going to sit and scream screech in the sky. 0:16:50.260 --> 0:16:53.620 It's because I think maybe time out didn't really work 0:16:53.620 --> 0:16:56.290 when I was a kid. Grandma was like, you know what, Travis? 0:16:56.290 --> 0:16:58.270 Go out there and pick out a switch off that tree. 0:16:58.270 --> 0:17:00.280 I'm a beat your ass and you got your ass beat. 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:02.440 And guess what? You behaved a little better. We're in 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:05.320 a generation where nobody got their ass beat, and so 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:07.659 they all just like a bunch of petulant little kids 0:17:07.930 --> 0:17:09.700 because they are. And they're going to be grow up 0:17:09.700 --> 0:17:12.010 to be petulant little bitch ass adults, right? 0:17:12.010 --> 0:17:14.709 Karens a whole a whole bunch of Karens. And the 0:17:14.710 --> 0:17:17.980 next generation is going to look at them and go, Yeah, 0:17:17.980 --> 0:17:20.080 we're not going to play that anymore. The pendulum's going 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:20.770 to swing back. 0:17:20.770 --> 0:17:21.660 It's going to squeeze that. 0:17:21.670 --> 0:17:24.609 Hard and there's going to be a generation of children 0:17:24.609 --> 0:17:28.690 that are going to rebel against this alleged insanity, this 0:17:28.690 --> 0:17:32.920 alleged rebellion. And I even I told this kid, I said, 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:35.470 you know, what would your what would your dad think 0:17:35.470 --> 0:17:37.720 of this? Oh, I you know, I would never tell him. 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:41.230 I'm like, well, why if it's not wrong, you know, 0:17:41.260 --> 0:17:43.659 because dad would see it was wrong. Let me have 0:17:43.660 --> 0:17:45.850 a conversation with your father and see what? What? 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:47.590 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, thank you. Goodbye. 0:17:48.050 --> 0:17:51.520 I ended up like, you know, he. He said he 0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:54.370 couldn't get me the Nft's back because his developer had him. Like, 0:17:54.369 --> 0:17:56.500 for a moment there I thought he was that he 0:17:56.500 --> 0:17:59.920 might actually send them back because I ended up being 0:17:59.920 --> 0:18:02.530 nice to him and I ended up, you know, talking 0:18:02.530 --> 0:18:04.689 because he was like, I can bench to 20 and 0:18:04.690 --> 0:18:06.909 I'm well-liked in school. I get great grades, I got 0:18:06.910 --> 0:18:09.790 a 1500 on my A.C.T.. I'm like, That's great, but 0:18:09.790 --> 0:18:13.300 you're an idiot, you're a fool. And this is why. 0:18:13.300 --> 0:18:18.190 And you might end up going to prison over this stuff. 0:18:18.190 --> 0:18:21.490 All only 1% of people get caught. I'm like, you know, 0:18:21.490 --> 0:18:24.100 sooner or later it's going to catch up with you. 0:18:24.460 --> 0:18:27.610 It will, you know, whether you call it karma or, 0:18:27.609 --> 0:18:29.770 you know, you, you reap what you sow or what 0:18:29.770 --> 0:18:33.940 goes around comes around. I believe that. That that is 0:18:33.940 --> 0:18:36.969 a law of the universe and the universe is going 0:18:36.970 --> 0:18:39.040 to spank the crap out of you at some point. 0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:42.270 And I told him, you're going to remember this conversation. 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:46.420 I'm sure this 17 year old with an undeveloped brain 0:18:46.420 --> 0:18:49.960 who thinks he's so smart and thinks he's being ethical 0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:53.250 and thinks, Oh, yeah, I know what you know, my 0:18:53.260 --> 0:18:57.640 my psychological development is at the age of 17 is 0:18:57.640 --> 0:19:00.580 going to get spanked hard and and he's going to 0:19:00.580 --> 0:19:02.980 remember our conversation. I'm sure of it. 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:05.980 Hmm. I remember what was funny was I have a 0:19:05.980 --> 0:19:08.050 friend of mine who knew some people on the dark 0:19:08.050 --> 0:19:10.119 Web site. All right. What's his Twitter handle? Because the 0:19:10.119 --> 0:19:13.090 dude was tweeting me and then figured out his Twitter handle, 0:19:13.090 --> 0:19:17.439 figured out his Instagram, his girlfriend's Instagram. And then I 0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:20.350 started tweeting him pictures of him and his girlfriends kissing 0:19:20.350 --> 0:19:23.230 on Instagram and he freaked out. It was hilarious because 0:19:23.230 --> 0:19:26.140 this dude literally went into because when he got my phone, 0:19:26.170 --> 0:19:28.389 then I gave him access to my Gmail because you 0:19:28.390 --> 0:19:30.730 could do the reset through the SMS. And then it 0:19:30.730 --> 0:19:33.310 was trying to get into my Coinbase. But Coinbase, I 0:19:33.310 --> 0:19:35.890 used a different email specifically for that, so they couldn't 0:19:35.890 --> 0:19:38.320 get into my Coinbase, which what they were trying to do. 0:19:38.530 --> 0:19:40.780 Then they got into my apple, I got into my 0:19:40.780 --> 0:19:43.300 Twitter and then once you're in my Google, once they're 0:19:43.300 --> 0:19:45.220 in my Google, they can get in my Google drive, 0:19:45.220 --> 0:19:48.310 which I had some photos that some some hot nudes 0:19:48.310 --> 0:19:50.680 that some chicken sent me back in the day and 0:19:50.680 --> 0:19:53.199 then was posting those on my Twitter and then as 0:19:53.200 --> 0:19:55.480 do was just being an overall hassle. And then I 0:19:55.480 --> 0:19:58.330 figured out who he was. And then what was funny 0:19:58.330 --> 0:20:03.040 was he access my phone, logged in to his iPhone, 0:20:03.280 --> 0:20:06.490 and then through my find my iPhone app on mine, 0:20:06.490 --> 0:20:09.250 I was able to identify where he was and then 0:20:09.250 --> 0:20:11.740 locked his phone so he could not use that phone anymore. 0:20:12.010 --> 0:20:14.170 And so then he was back in the me, you know, 0:20:14.830 --> 0:20:19.330 like politics and call me King Daddy. And I was 0:20:19.330 --> 0:20:21.250 not so friendly. I was I was in no joke 0:20:21.250 --> 0:20:22.750 with the guy because he ended up getting nothing from 0:20:22.750 --> 0:20:25.770 me except being a pain in the ass. So it's 0:20:25.990 --> 0:20:27.669 just these guys, what are you going to do? We 0:20:27.670 --> 0:20:29.649 got a whole generation full of idiots who don't know 0:20:30.070 --> 0:20:31.270 what the hell are they going to do with their life? 0:20:31.270 --> 0:20:33.850 And then we got A.I. taking everything over. So you 0:20:33.850 --> 0:20:35.859 got these humans with too much time on their hands, 0:20:35.859 --> 0:20:38.980 and not enough money is in their pockets most generally, 0:20:39.310 --> 0:20:43.660 and most likely nefarious activities follow suit. 0:20:43.869 --> 0:20:46.270 For them in their friends. And he told me this 0:20:46.270 --> 0:20:49.030 is a game they compete to see who can steal 0:20:49.030 --> 0:20:52.330 the most. Look, I was not, you know, the ideal child. 0:20:52.330 --> 0:20:55.359 I remember taking money out of the cash register drawer. 0:20:55.540 --> 0:20:57.939 You know, when I was working at the pizza place, 0:20:58.180 --> 0:21:00.460 I remember I was I was a doorman at a 0:21:00.460 --> 0:21:07.090 club in in Dallas back in 1986. And people would pay, 0:21:07.090 --> 0:21:10.300 you know, $5, you know, cover fee to come in 0:21:10.570 --> 0:21:14.919 and cash and every other cash entry I shoved in 0:21:14.920 --> 0:21:17.660 my pocket. I remember walking out with $300 one night 0:21:17.660 --> 0:21:19.750 and thought I was, you know, hero. I didn't have 0:21:19.750 --> 0:21:22.930 a moral compass. I mean, I knew it was wrong, 0:21:22.930 --> 0:21:24.850 but I didn't care because I needed money. And I 0:21:24.850 --> 0:21:27.159 was 19 or 21 years old. I was just a 0:21:27.160 --> 0:21:32.320 stupid kid. And that's what happens. Stupid kids do stupid things. 0:21:32.619 --> 0:21:35.320 And and I was a stupid adult who let this 0:21:35.320 --> 0:21:38.830 stupid kid trick me. And it happens and it can 0:21:38.830 --> 0:21:42.729 happen to you. You sent me a video earlier of Mr. 0:21:42.730 --> 0:21:46.120 Beast talking about how somebody broke into his place. Tell 0:21:46.119 --> 0:21:46.690 the story. 0:21:47.590 --> 0:21:50.830 Yes, I just saw on this YouTube short, but apparently 0:21:50.830 --> 0:21:55.030 somebody robbed Mr. Beast before he got really huge. Right. 0:21:55.330 --> 0:21:58.930 And so he had taken a hundred grand invested in 0:21:58.930 --> 0:22:02.649 Bitcoin and then Bitcoin blew up. So this would have 0:22:02.650 --> 0:22:06.280 been like probably 2016, 2017 when he bought the Bitcoin. 0:22:06.580 --> 0:22:09.280 Then the Bitcoin was worth about $2 million. He was 0:22:09.280 --> 0:22:11.050 about to take some of that money, cash out and 0:22:11.050 --> 0:22:12.820 make some videos. This is before he really hit it 0:22:12.820 --> 0:22:16.209 big and somebody came in, stole his TV, stole his computer, 0:22:16.210 --> 0:22:19.330 stole his clothes, all kinds of stuff. And on his 0:22:19.330 --> 0:22:22.480 laptop there was a little Post-it note that said Bitcoin 0:22:22.480 --> 0:22:26.230 private key, like, oh, worst place to hide, like right 0:22:26.230 --> 0:22:28.870 there on the thing. And then he realizes like, Oh, shit, 0:22:28.869 --> 0:22:31.899 where's my lab? Where's my. Oh, God, I'm getting stolen. Oh, shit. 0:22:32.140 --> 0:22:34.030 So he went down to his other computer. They didn't 0:22:34.030 --> 0:22:36.180 steal his other computer and he had another note there. 0:22:36.190 --> 0:22:39.040 Bitcoin private key he had in a few places, went in, 0:22:39.280 --> 0:22:43.359 was able to move all of his bitcoin over before, 0:22:43.359 --> 0:22:45.250 so the dude didn't steal it. He was too busy 0:22:45.250 --> 0:22:48.070 about stealing another one of his TVs or whatever. Didn't 0:22:48.070 --> 0:22:50.649 go and getting his $2 million worth of bitcoin at 0:22:50.650 --> 0:22:51.040 that time. 0:22:51.220 --> 0:22:54.160 So that's a victory story right there. And the guy was, 0:22:54.160 --> 0:22:56.530 you know, not only a thief, but a truly stupid 0:22:56.530 --> 0:22:57.159 thief because he had. 0:22:57.260 --> 0:23:00.369 To watch a 2017 TV now and you could have 0:23:00.369 --> 0:23:03.970 had $2 million worth of Bitcoin in 2017, which is 0:23:03.970 --> 0:23:06.610 right now probably $5 million. But you think about that 0:23:06.609 --> 0:23:09.070 what Mr. Beast did with that turned all that money. 0:23:09.070 --> 0:23:11.800 And so basically he made his YouTube money by crypto, 0:23:12.010 --> 0:23:14.590 turn it into $2 million and then use that to 0:23:14.590 --> 0:23:17.260 fund more videos. So the moral. 0:23:17.930 --> 0:23:21.160 The moral of the story is, first of all, get 0:23:21.160 --> 0:23:25.060 cold storage, use a ledger or a trezor or something 0:23:25.060 --> 0:23:29.260 for your your cryptos, because at least then it's it's 0:23:29.260 --> 0:23:33.140 more challenging with with hot storage. It's a lot easier 0:23:33.140 --> 0:23:36.320 to get to your stuff and be socially engineered that way, 0:23:36.320 --> 0:23:39.530 at least with a ledger there is that, oh, transactions 0:23:39.530 --> 0:23:42.920 coming in, I need to approve it or you know, 0:23:42.920 --> 0:23:48.260 or disapprove it. Use the web extension. Still go on 0:23:48.260 --> 0:23:52.730 your metamask and and be careful about messages that you 0:23:52.730 --> 0:23:55.879 get from anybody on Discord, on Telegram, on tic TAC, 0:23:55.880 --> 0:24:02.150 on Instagram, on on signal, on anywhere. Be cautious and 0:24:02.150 --> 0:24:07.010 don't accept DMS from people. Always verify before you trust. 0:24:07.040 --> 0:24:10.459 Don't even trust. Verify what's going on first. 0:24:10.730 --> 0:24:13.399 So would you say that the fact that zero on 0:24:13.400 --> 0:24:16.190 the app on your mobile device messaged you, is that 0:24:16.190 --> 0:24:18.169 the first thing that alerted you that you were getting yanked? 0:24:18.230 --> 0:24:21.020 It is and so this is a free app and 0:24:21.020 --> 0:24:23.480 we can put a link to this into the shownotes 0:24:23.540 --> 0:24:26.960 z vr i0n is the app you can download. Not 0:24:26.960 --> 0:24:28.700 sure if they have it for android. I have it 0:24:28.700 --> 0:24:31.970 on my iOS and I don't connect my wallet to 0:24:31.970 --> 0:24:34.609 Siri and I just track my wallets on zero. And 0:24:34.609 --> 0:24:36.889 so you could just put an address in and tell 0:24:36.890 --> 0:24:39.500 it to send you notifications. So I tracked Travis's wallets. 0:24:39.500 --> 0:24:42.080 Every time Travis does a transaction, I want to know 0:24:42.080 --> 0:24:43.970 what he's up to. I track several friends and I 0:24:43.970 --> 0:24:44.680 get them very. 0:24:44.780 --> 0:24:47.480 I want my privacy. Joel, your violate my privacy. 0:24:47.700 --> 0:24:51.889 What blockchain? It's public ledger. And so I can see 0:24:51.890 --> 0:24:55.760 when you're transacting in nfts or in cryptos, Kazarian tells 0:24:55.760 --> 0:24:57.679 me in zero and lit up right away. And it 0:24:57.680 --> 0:25:02.390 said for bulls and apes, you know, NFT is sent to. 0:25:02.390 --> 0:25:06.020 And I'm like, Oh, crap. So thank you. ZIRIN That's 0:25:06.020 --> 0:25:09.140 another really great point. Travis. Go download the Syrian app. 0:25:09.140 --> 0:25:11.240 I'm going to find a link to that right now 0:25:11.240 --> 0:25:11.629 to put in. 0:25:11.720 --> 0:25:14.090 Yeah, that's good. The Syrian in the style of the 0:25:14.090 --> 0:25:16.490 kind of help you modify and monitor what it is 0:25:16.490 --> 0:25:18.710 you're trying to do to save your ass. I like that. 0:25:19.130 --> 0:25:22.399 App .01. com. 0:25:22.410 --> 0:25:24.830 I vr i o in. 0:25:25.100 --> 0:25:28.520 Syrian app is the one that you want to get. Yeah. 0:25:28.520 --> 0:25:30.949 I'll put a link to that into the shownotes at 0:25:30.950 --> 0:25:35.689 Syrian dot i o smart social web three wallet. Again, 0:25:35.690 --> 0:25:39.619 you don't need to use it for the wallet aspect. 0:25:39.740 --> 0:25:43.160 You can just track it. You can track any wallet 0:25:43.160 --> 0:25:47.240 you want without it making it a hot wallet. And 0:25:47.240 --> 0:25:50.540 so I recommend that. So you go Lessons learned. Here's 0:25:50.540 --> 0:25:53.869 another lesson Learn Trav. You can go and write a 0:25:53.869 --> 0:25:57.169 review and it'll get read on this podcast, especially if 0:25:57.170 --> 0:26:00.050 it's five stars. We got a review from Mike MOH 0:26:00.050 --> 0:26:04.760 1271 fun and entertaining crypto podcast, five stars. He says 0:26:04.760 --> 0:26:07.550 It's a great show. Look forward to Joel and Travis 0:26:07.550 --> 0:26:10.699 podcast every week, including the nifty show. Listen to it. 0:26:10.700 --> 0:26:14.209 So often my fiancee is saying the stay bad in 0:26:14.210 --> 0:26:17.030 the intro every time. Ha ha ha. While she isn't 0:26:17.030 --> 0:26:20.450 really into crypto, she enjoys listening to Stay Bad five Stars. 0:26:20.480 --> 0:26:23.840 All these other reviewers giving less than five are little whiners. 0:26:25.250 --> 0:26:26.990 Little whiners. What? Little whiners? 0:26:27.320 --> 0:26:27.770 That's right. 0:26:27.770 --> 0:26:29.870 If you if you leave us, I got a three 0:26:29.869 --> 0:26:32.389 star or two or one. I assume you have a 0:26:32.390 --> 0:26:37.190 minuscule manhood. So, Mike, go ahead. Just self-identify your microbial. 0:26:37.340 --> 0:26:41.209 Mike, Thanks for listening and hope you guys learn something today. 0:26:41.210 --> 0:26:44.030 I know I have this week and this is not, 0:26:44.030 --> 0:26:47.330 you know, fool me once, shame on. 0:26:48.170 --> 0:26:49.909 You. You won't get fooled again. 0:26:49.920 --> 0:26:52.879 Fool me twice, shame on me. So this I you 0:26:52.880 --> 0:26:54.350 know what? I'm just going to jump right ahead to 0:26:54.350 --> 0:26:56.060 the fool me twice. Shame on me. I should have 0:26:56.060 --> 0:26:56.690 known better. 0:26:56.990 --> 0:26:59.990 Yeah, well, you know what? At least that guy's self 0:26:59.990 --> 0:27:01.699 identified as having a micro penis. 0:27:02.030 --> 0:27:07.190 He did? Yeah. Yeah. Like in micro morality, too. When 0:27:07.190 --> 0:27:10.399 we say stay bad, we don't mean be an asshole. 0:27:10.940 --> 0:27:13.000 We mean just stay there. 0:27:23.090 --> 0:27:29.160 A group Whose band? 0:27:30.940 --> 0:27:34.600 The Bad Crypto podcast is a production of Bad Crypto LLC. 0:27:34.750 --> 0:27:37.480 The content of the show, the videos and the website 0:27:37.480 --> 0:27:41.590 is provided for educational, informational and entertainment purposes only. It's 0:27:41.590 --> 0:27:45.520 not intended to be and does not constitute financial investment 0:27:45.520 --> 0:27:48.550 or trading advice of any kind. You shouldn't make any 0:27:48.550 --> 0:27:52.240 decisions as to finances, investing, trading or anything else based 0:27:52.240 --> 0:27:56.770 on this information without undertaking independent due diligence in consultation 0:27:56.770 --> 0:28:00.159 with a professional financial advisor. Please understand that the trading 0:28:00.160 --> 0:28:05.230 of Bitcoins and alternative cryptocurrencies have potential risks involved. Anyone 0:28:05.230 --> 0:28:07.630 wishing to invest in any of the currencies or tokens 0:28:07.630 --> 0:28:10.990 mentioned on this podcast should first seek their own independent 0:28:10.990 --> 0:28:17.600 professional financial advisor. Trev, I don't know if you're aware, 0:28:17.600 --> 0:28:21.170 but the feedback from the show that we did recently 0:28:21.170 --> 0:28:25.609 about I was fantastic. And I think we should like 0:28:25.609 --> 0:28:29.990 do a spinoff show because, you know, I does overlap 0:28:29.990 --> 0:28:32.330 some into blockchain, but mostly not. 0:28:32.619 --> 0:28:35.780 Hmm. And mostly what we've been is sort of the 0:28:35.780 --> 0:28:40.190 Sherpa to new technologies, right? This whole world of crypto 0:28:40.190 --> 0:28:43.760 and an NFT is an metaverse and play to earn. 0:28:43.760 --> 0:28:45.860 And I just fits right in with what it is 0:28:45.860 --> 0:28:46.490 that we do. 0:28:46.670 --> 0:28:48.200 The Sherpa DARPA's I believe. 0:28:48.200 --> 0:28:50.730 It was a show or the Serpent Sherpas. Yeah, sure. 0:28:50.780 --> 0:28:52.270 Be very sensitive to crypto. 0:28:52.850 --> 0:28:55.430 Well, let's let's talk about that a little bit more. 0:28:55.430 --> 0:28:57.950 And you guys who get to the privilege of listening 0:28:57.950 --> 0:29:00.200 to these Easter eggs because, you know, sometimes we go 0:29:00.200 --> 0:29:04.340 on after the show is actually over. Stay tuned. 0:29:04.790 --> 0:29:06.770 This isn't an Easter egg. This is more like a 0:29:06.770 --> 0:29:08.520 Halloween treat, like a cherry tree. 0:29:09.390 --> 0:29:10.640 Are we going to trick or treat them? 0:29:10.940 --> 0:29:12.140 I don't know. To be determined. 0:29:12.610 --> 0:29:14.030 Well, we'll let air decide. 0:29:15.500 --> 0:29:17.630 Oh, and that's how we can in the show as 0:29:17.780 --> 0:29:19.250 stay I bad? 0:29:21.610 --> 0:29:21.709 Yeah. 0:29:25.700 --> 0:29:26.240 That's good.