1 00:00:00,300 --> 00:00:03,630 S1: It seems a week doesn't go by that we don't 2 00:00:03,630 --> 00:00:06,660 S1: hear about someone in the crypto space losing their crypto 3 00:00:06,660 --> 00:00:10,590 S1: or nfts to scammers, hackers and other ne'er do wells. 4 00:00:10,830 --> 00:00:14,190 S1: Back in 2017 we talked about how Travis got hacked 5 00:00:14,190 --> 00:00:18,480 S1: and almost lost his cryptos. Kevin Rose lost $1,000,000 in 6 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:22,140 S1: Nfts in a wallet draining attack just last month. And 7 00:00:22,140 --> 00:00:26,520 S1: now it's finally happened. I got phished. It was an 8 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:30,420 S1: incredibly stupid mistake that could have and should have been avoided. 9 00:00:30,660 --> 00:00:34,379 S1: But it's what happened subsequently that I find the most disturbing. 10 00:00:34,590 --> 00:00:36,780 S1: Most of all. It's proof that it can happen to 11 00:00:36,780 --> 00:00:40,320 S1: absolutely anyone. Today we talk about how you can protect 12 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:45,330 S1: yourself through technology and hyper awareness. On our Joel doesn't 13 00:00:45,330 --> 00:00:51,150 S1: meet Trey Anastasio but still gets phished. Episode number 670. 14 00:00:52,140 --> 00:00:55,350 S1: Of the Bad Crypto podcast. Five for. 15 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:56,360 S2: Three. 16 00:00:57,060 --> 00:01:03,650 S3: How are there all of the other food banks? 17 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:26,100 S1: And yes, it is finally happened here at the Republic 18 00:01:26,100 --> 00:01:31,830 S1: of Bad Cryptopia a thief has taken my NFT is 19 00:01:31,830 --> 00:01:35,759 S1: like to say I gave them to him. Joel, Come here, sir. 20 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,130 S1: Lord Travis right there. How are you doing? Good, sir. 21 00:01:38,580 --> 00:01:39,840 S2: Well, welcome to the club. 22 00:01:40,530 --> 00:01:46,110 S1: Yeah, I got to say, man, there's. There's a lot 23 00:01:46,110 --> 00:01:49,350 S1: of things to be learned from this. And I want 24 00:01:49,350 --> 00:01:52,920 S1: to talk about what happened. They were NFT was and 25 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:54,810 S1: you and I briefly said, well, shouldn't this be a 26 00:01:54,810 --> 00:01:58,710 S1: nifty show? But honestly, it's the same type of thing 27 00:01:58,710 --> 00:02:01,560 S1: that can happen to any of your cryptos. Nfts are 28 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:05,100 S1: just cryptos. They're just nonfungible instead of fungible tokens. 29 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:09,000 S2: This podcast, sponsored by Leger, makes sure to get you 30 00:02:09,150 --> 00:02:12,869 S2: to put all your cryptos on there and they're finished 31 00:02:12,870 --> 00:02:13,920 S2: or bits slapped. 32 00:02:14,100 --> 00:02:16,889 S1: And Pfizer, don't forget to get your 18th boost. 33 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,570 S2: This show not actually sponsored by anyone. But you know 34 00:02:21,570 --> 00:02:24,540 S2: what it is? It's so interesting when, you know, Joel 35 00:02:24,540 --> 00:02:27,180 S2: mentioned at the top there, you know, Kevin Rose is 36 00:02:27,180 --> 00:02:31,090 S2: one of the most probably proficient interwebs out there. Right. 37 00:02:31,110 --> 00:02:33,360 S2: He's built some of the most amazing properties. He's still 38 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,690 S2: got hacked, Mr. Beast. He got his stuff stole. We'll 39 00:02:36,690 --> 00:02:38,940 S2: talk about that a little bit. He could have got 40 00:02:38,940 --> 00:02:40,830 S2: hacked and had all of his crypto. So he did 41 00:02:40,830 --> 00:02:43,650 S2: it because he he was able to circumvent that. I mean, 42 00:02:44,250 --> 00:02:46,740 S2: my phone number got switched, right? So what number was 43 00:02:46,740 --> 00:02:47,940 S2: that episode number 41. 44 00:02:48,210 --> 00:02:49,800 S1: Yeah, it was number 41. We got a link to 45 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:51,690 S1: it in the show notes and we'll have several links 46 00:02:51,690 --> 00:02:53,790 S1: that you're going to want in this episode. So go 47 00:02:53,790 --> 00:02:59,160 S1: to bad code dot iron. Forward slash 670 for those 48 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:03,510 S1: links you know and we called that episode Travis gets 49 00:03:03,510 --> 00:03:07,650 S1: hacked but honestly you didn't get hacked you got jacked right? 50 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:12,000 S1: SIM swapped, you got SIM jacked is what happened. Yeah. So, 51 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:16,169 S1: you know, most of what we call hacking isn't actually hacking. 52 00:03:16,169 --> 00:03:20,910 S1: People can't hack into your wallet unless they actually have 53 00:03:20,910 --> 00:03:23,760 S1: your keys. What we talk about when we say people 54 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:29,579 S1: get hacked is usually a result of social engineering, clicking 55 00:03:29,580 --> 00:03:32,010 S1: on fake links, that type of thing. That's what Kevin 56 00:03:32,010 --> 00:03:34,470 S1: Rose did, right? He got caught with a phishing link. 57 00:03:35,220 --> 00:03:37,530 S2: Yeah, and I assume that's what happened with you. I 58 00:03:37,530 --> 00:03:39,270 S2: don't even really know the story. So this will be 59 00:03:39,660 --> 00:03:43,260 S2: probably mostly a Joel centric episode where he's talking because 60 00:03:43,260 --> 00:03:46,950 S2: he knows most of the details of what occurred. So 61 00:03:46,980 --> 00:03:51,000 S2: I'm not even sure exactly how it happened. So where 62 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:51,750 S2: did it all begin? 63 00:03:51,750 --> 00:03:54,990 S1: Joel Yeah, so that's what's really interesting about that is 64 00:03:54,990 --> 00:04:00,090 S1: I don't know exactly how it begun as some point 65 00:04:00,300 --> 00:04:05,490 S1: a conversation initiated with somebody on Discord. And here's the thing. 66 00:04:05,490 --> 00:04:08,730 S1: I've been on discord for years now, and one of 67 00:04:08,730 --> 00:04:12,240 S1: the morals, you know, one of the things that, you know, 68 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:16,800 S1: not to do on Discord is accept DMS from strangers, 69 00:04:16,980 --> 00:04:21,690 S1: especially those acting with authority over another collection. Those are 70 00:04:21,870 --> 00:04:23,729 S1: most of the time phishing links. 71 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,760 S2: Right? So it's a little bit different probably for us 72 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,190 S2: because people are like, Hey, we want to come on 73 00:04:29,190 --> 00:04:32,760 S2: the nifty show, hey, how is this work, etc., etc.. 74 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,400 S2: So I think in some ways that could get set up. Now, 75 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,380 S2: I personally don't respond. I'll tell people to hit me, 76 00:04:38,730 --> 00:04:40,710 S2: hit me on Twitter or something, or hit me on 77 00:04:41,100 --> 00:04:46,020 S2: email because you know, the DMS on Discord, they seem 78 00:04:46,020 --> 00:04:50,099 S2: really spammy and there's not really any way to verify 79 00:04:50,100 --> 00:04:52,950 S2: those DMS a lot of times. And so that could 80 00:04:52,950 --> 00:04:56,710 S2: be this vulnerable vulnerability. Number one right there is, is 81 00:04:56,730 --> 00:04:58,770 S2: pay attention to the DMS you get. 82 00:04:59,250 --> 00:05:03,060 S1: Yep, pay attention to the DMS. And I honestly do 83 00:05:03,089 --> 00:05:07,260 S1: not recall how the conversation with this person started, but 84 00:05:08,010 --> 00:05:12,270 S1: I got booted from a an NFT group that I 85 00:05:12,270 --> 00:05:16,739 S1: was in and I don't know how that happened. I 86 00:05:16,740 --> 00:05:20,190 S1: have a feeling that this person is the one that 87 00:05:20,190 --> 00:05:22,710 S1: did it. So now as I'm thinking this through, I 88 00:05:22,710 --> 00:05:26,880 S1: was in the The Sewer Rats Social Club. It's something 89 00:05:26,890 --> 00:05:29,730 S1: I've been in since 2021. They were one of the 90 00:05:29,730 --> 00:05:35,190 S1: OGs of, of of PSP Nfts They happened before the 91 00:05:35,190 --> 00:05:38,220 S1: board a yacht club and I've got a bunch of 92 00:05:38,220 --> 00:05:40,590 S1: these in my wallet. Oh, you know what? I'm wrong. 93 00:05:40,589 --> 00:05:43,979 S1: It's not the sewer apes, it's the goats Maison de Goat. 94 00:05:43,980 --> 00:05:46,980 S1: So that's another collection. Right around the same time it 95 00:05:46,980 --> 00:05:49,560 S1: was the goats. And and I was I got a 96 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:54,960 S1: message from somebody that I had spammed that group and 97 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,960 S1: was booted from it. Well, I went and looked for 98 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:02,370 S1: that group, and sure enough, I was banned from that group. 99 00:06:02,580 --> 00:06:05,910 S1: So it gave legitimacy to it. It appeared to be 100 00:06:05,910 --> 00:06:08,640 S1: a mod telling me I got banned. Now he's probably 101 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:13,230 S1: the one that reported me as having spammed and got 102 00:06:13,230 --> 00:06:16,410 S1: me booted from the group. Now this is beginning to 103 00:06:16,410 --> 00:06:19,380 S1: make sense. So he messaged me and told me and 104 00:06:19,380 --> 00:06:21,989 S1: he sent me a screenshot and in the screenshot of 105 00:06:21,990 --> 00:06:24,750 S1: this alleged spam that I posted, which I did not, 106 00:06:25,050 --> 00:06:29,850 S1: was my profile picture and name. But of course I 107 00:06:29,850 --> 00:06:32,640 S1: didn't do that. And I told him I didn't do 108 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:34,560 S1: that and he won. Nope, my wallet was and I 109 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:36,719 S1: told him my wallet, blah blah blah. And he said 110 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:41,220 S1: he was reinstating me because he was really sorry. And 111 00:06:41,220 --> 00:06:44,250 S1: I went to click into the Discord. I still couldn't 112 00:06:44,250 --> 00:06:47,160 S1: join the Discord. He said, Oh, that's our Dao Discord. 113 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:50,730 S1: Here's the one direct to the collection. And like an idiot, 114 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,479 S1: I clicked on it. I went to that discord and 115 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:58,650 S1: I went to the collab Land Verify, and that's now 116 00:06:58,650 --> 00:07:02,010 S1: when you do a collab land verify, you're going to often, 117 00:07:02,010 --> 00:07:03,809 S1: if it's the first time with that wallet, get a 118 00:07:03,810 --> 00:07:07,980 S1: transaction saying. You know that. Okay. Does this You and 119 00:07:07,980 --> 00:07:10,470 S1: I did it in the moment. I did it. My 120 00:07:10,470 --> 00:07:15,630 S1: Syrian app on my phone lit up and four of 121 00:07:15,630 --> 00:07:19,710 S1: my apes from the Bulls and Apes collection. I'll actually 122 00:07:19,710 --> 00:07:21,570 S1: show them to you right here from one of my 123 00:07:21,570 --> 00:07:27,930 S1: other wallets. I actually owned 32 of these that we're 124 00:07:27,930 --> 00:07:31,230 S1: getting ready to reveal. And they've just revealed today. You 125 00:07:31,230 --> 00:07:33,810 S1: can see my apes right here. Bulls and Apes is 126 00:07:33,810 --> 00:07:38,340 S1: a really cool collection. And I had moved these divided 127 00:07:38,340 --> 00:07:42,960 S1: them between eight wallets. And so only four of them 128 00:07:43,170 --> 00:07:47,520 S1: remained in that primary wallet. Now I'm thinking about that 129 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:51,990 S1: and realizing if I had not divided up those 32 apes, 130 00:07:51,990 --> 00:07:54,660 S1: they'd all be different wallets. I would have lost all 131 00:07:54,660 --> 00:07:59,370 S1: 32 of them. I lost four of them. And then 132 00:07:59,370 --> 00:08:00,809 S1: I looked at my men. And these are. 133 00:08:00,810 --> 00:08:01,800 S2: The four that were stolen. 134 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,800 S1: No, these are these are a different wallet. These are mine. 135 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:08,160 S1: So one of the other wallets. And I'm really grateful 136 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:09,300 S1: that I divided them up. 137 00:08:10,170 --> 00:08:12,180 S2: Now, let me ask you that. Let me ask you that, 138 00:08:12,180 --> 00:08:16,440 S2: because that's maybe abnormal behavior, whereas most people probably have 139 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:21,450 S2: one wallet or maybe two. Why was that? What spurred 140 00:08:21,450 --> 00:08:23,790 S2: your intuition to say, let me divide these amongst eight? 141 00:08:23,790 --> 00:08:26,040 S2: Was there a benefit for. Yes, there was. 142 00:08:26,670 --> 00:08:28,920 S1: There was actually a benefit. What we were told by 143 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,620 S1: the team is that for every wallet that had four 144 00:08:31,620 --> 00:08:33,390 S1: in them, you were going to get a bonus loot 145 00:08:33,390 --> 00:08:35,340 S1: box that you're going to be able to open here 146 00:08:35,340 --> 00:08:39,960 S1: to customize your apes. And so it had that not 147 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:45,000 S1: been offered, I would have lost all 32 of those and. 148 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,370 S2: Maybe some of the bulls as well. But well. 149 00:08:47,370 --> 00:08:50,040 S1: Here's so I have a lot of different wallets. I 150 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:54,090 S1: have multiple hard wallets. I have keys stored elsewhere. Like 151 00:08:54,090 --> 00:08:57,540 S1: I'm just I'm super protective. And that's why this in 152 00:08:57,540 --> 00:09:00,960 S1: these were even on a ledger. I just moved everything 153 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:05,670 S1: from from from hot storage to cold storage so that 154 00:09:06,059 --> 00:09:10,440 S1: stupid stuff wouldn't happen. And I still clicked to verify 155 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:12,900 S1: that transaction. And then I looked at my metamask and 156 00:09:12,900 --> 00:09:17,820 S1: I saw there were 37 transactions waiting to be approved. 157 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:22,500 S1: And so I clicked reject all because basically he would 158 00:09:22,500 --> 00:09:26,950 S1: have wiped my wallet of so many of these. And 159 00:09:27,059 --> 00:09:29,460 S1: here's the other ironic part about this and where you 160 00:09:29,460 --> 00:09:32,400 S1: guys really need to pay attention and make sure you're equipped. 161 00:09:32,730 --> 00:09:38,040 S1: I installed a Chrome extension on my computer that goes 162 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:46,500 S1: with Metamask called Stylo. stel0s Tello Stylo Labs dot com 163 00:09:46,500 --> 00:09:50,100 S1: is where this is. And this is really cool because 164 00:09:50,670 --> 00:09:53,340 S1: you probably can't see this on my screen share because 165 00:09:53,340 --> 00:09:57,990 S1: it's a pop up. But what it does, every time 166 00:09:58,230 --> 00:10:02,400 S1: there's a transaction, you get a pop up first that 167 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:06,120 S1: tells you exactly what's happening. And as you could see here, 168 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,640 S1: it tells you if it looks risky, it tells you 169 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,760 S1: exactly how much money you're sending. It tells you where 170 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:15,120 S1: you're sending NF TS. And so this is like like 171 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,510 S1: a condom over your metamask that. 172 00:10:18,630 --> 00:10:20,370 S2: They don't steal all your stuff. 173 00:10:20,429 --> 00:10:24,300 S1: Correct. And so I had it installed. I didn't have 174 00:10:24,300 --> 00:10:24,990 S1: it turned on. 175 00:10:25,530 --> 00:10:26,579 S2: Oh, no. 176 00:10:27,450 --> 00:10:29,640 S1: It's like having a condom by the side of the bed. 177 00:10:30,390 --> 00:10:34,800 S2: Yeah. Joel went roadhog all up in that fish. 178 00:10:35,190 --> 00:10:38,880 S1: Yeah. So I got, I got fish. But here's, that's 179 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,130 S1: not the most amazing part. And by the way, this 180 00:10:41,130 --> 00:10:43,170 S1: is this is very common. This is what we call 181 00:10:43,170 --> 00:10:50,579 S1: social engineering. It's a very constructed and thought through process 182 00:10:50,820 --> 00:10:55,530 S1: by these scammers to, to take your crypto or your 183 00:10:55,530 --> 00:10:58,380 S1: NFT is this is what happened to Kevin Rose and 184 00:10:58,380 --> 00:11:01,079 S1: there's a link to the story where he got he 185 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:06,210 S1: lost like $1,000,000 in Nfts from a from a phishing 186 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:09,900 S1: thing that happened to him. He followed a bad link and, 187 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:11,849 S1: and those entities are gone. 188 00:11:13,110 --> 00:11:17,250 S2: Scammers crazy is you know, Joe is not a newbie 189 00:11:17,250 --> 00:11:19,050 S2: in this space at all. He's probably one of the 190 00:11:19,050 --> 00:11:23,040 S2: more advanced people when you think about do you divided 191 00:11:23,309 --> 00:11:26,600 S2: 32 and empties in eight different wallets divided that all 192 00:11:26,610 --> 00:11:30,060 S2: up have multiple ledgers and keys are who who has 193 00:11:30,059 --> 00:11:33,630 S2: that probably point zero something percent of the people actually 194 00:11:33,630 --> 00:11:35,730 S2: have that and he still got hacked. 195 00:11:35,730 --> 00:11:39,870 S1: And I let my guard down. First of all, it 196 00:11:39,870 --> 00:11:43,350 S1: was late at night. I was tired and. 197 00:11:43,350 --> 00:11:45,720 S2: He just smoked a huge fat marijuana cigarette. 198 00:11:45,929 --> 00:11:48,000 S1: That is not true, but it could have been true 199 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:52,770 S1: in some alternate life. And I. I just it was dumb. 200 00:11:53,220 --> 00:11:57,060 S1: You know, you get so accustomed to this stuff that 201 00:11:57,059 --> 00:11:58,920 S1: it's easy to let your guard down. And I remember 202 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:02,579 S1: when Kevin Rose did it and I thought, idiot, like, 203 00:12:02,670 --> 00:12:05,700 S1: why would you fall for something so obvious? Is that 204 00:12:05,700 --> 00:12:07,800 S1: you know not to do well. I did it. 205 00:12:08,130 --> 00:12:12,030 S2: What an elaborate plan, Joel. I mean, seriously. So somehow 206 00:12:12,030 --> 00:12:15,240 S2: this guy was able to engineer his way into a community, 207 00:12:15,660 --> 00:12:18,570 S2: get a member who's been in there a long time out, 208 00:12:18,870 --> 00:12:21,059 S2: and this is presumably before they even knew what your 209 00:12:21,059 --> 00:12:24,719 S2: your address was. Right. Because. Okay, send me your address. 210 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:26,430 S2: Let me see so I can let you back on. 211 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:29,790 S2: Then once he then presumably he goes and looks at 212 00:12:29,790 --> 00:12:32,520 S2: that wallet, sees what's in that wallet and says, hey, 213 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:34,980 S2: we can get you back in. Here's the link. It 214 00:12:34,980 --> 00:12:38,610 S2: looks like a discord link, but and it takes you 215 00:12:38,610 --> 00:12:40,530 S2: to some discord that may or may not be the 216 00:12:40,530 --> 00:12:43,350 S2: right one, which then pops up the collab Land Verify, 217 00:12:43,350 --> 00:12:46,860 S2: which is not a collab land verify woods. So that's 218 00:12:46,860 --> 00:12:49,590 S2: a very highly intricate sort of scam system that was 219 00:12:49,590 --> 00:12:50,729 S2: set up by these guys. 220 00:12:51,179 --> 00:12:54,840 S1: Yeah. And so I'm actually going to share my Discord 221 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:58,319 S1: screen with you and I wish I had captured the 222 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:03,900 S1: full conversation before I went to bed that night because 223 00:13:03,900 --> 00:13:07,079 S1: I had already been talking with the scammer. This is 224 00:13:07,260 --> 00:13:11,819 S1: But he's deleted all of his text so you can't see, 225 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:16,200 S1: you know, what he said back to me. But this is, 226 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:20,550 S1: you know, when he was a social engineering me and 227 00:13:20,550 --> 00:13:25,650 S1: then he apologized to me and that's when it went sideways. 228 00:13:25,970 --> 00:13:34,000 S1: And I, I was I reacted emotionally. And it was. 229 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:34,480 S1: It was. 230 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:35,830 S2: 15. Did you. 15. 231 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:38,050 S1: Well, he said he was 15 then he was said 232 00:13:38,050 --> 00:13:40,300 S1: he is 19 now. You can see here from all 233 00:13:40,300 --> 00:13:43,840 S1: of my texts that there was a lot of back 234 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:47,439 S1: and forth, like we talked for at least 2 hours 235 00:13:48,250 --> 00:13:51,760 S1: that night and he's deleted all of his stuff. But 236 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:52,810 S1: this is what. 237 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:56,679 S2: How come what is it? Why does it Dischord actually 238 00:13:56,679 --> 00:14:00,460 S2: take these things into account and that that person's IP address, 239 00:14:00,460 --> 00:14:03,520 S2: that person's she should be completely banned in Sean from 240 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:06,280 S2: being able to even use it because yeah, look what happened. 241 00:14:06,460 --> 00:14:08,319 S2: But this court and a lot of these big tech 242 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:11,240 S2: customer service companies are just nonexistent. 243 00:14:11,620 --> 00:14:16,000 S1: Yeah, it's pretty sad. But what's really sad is the 244 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:21,160 S1: conversation that I had with this guy. He's he says 245 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:22,360 S1: and I don't know if he did or not. He 246 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:26,410 S1: said he made $1,000,000 taking money and lost all but 247 00:14:26,410 --> 00:14:29,410 S1: 200,000 on leverage trading. I'm like, You're going to lose 248 00:14:29,410 --> 00:14:32,440 S1: the rest of it, too, because you're a criminal. Here's 249 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,990 S1: what really struck me. That makes me really sad. And 250 00:14:34,990 --> 00:14:37,240 S1: I feel bad for the guy. For me, it's $1,000 251 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,120 S1: an NFT. Oh, well, you know, Nfts have been good. 252 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:43,930 S1: To me, that's life lesson learned. But for him, his 253 00:14:43,930 --> 00:14:49,450 S1: moral compass is so broken that he truly believes that 254 00:14:49,450 --> 00:14:53,710 S1: stealing my nfts is a game that he won and 255 00:14:53,710 --> 00:14:58,750 S1: I lost. He sees it the same as Wall Street, that, hey, 256 00:14:58,750 --> 00:15:02,020 S1: the financial institutions play this game, they play it legally. 257 00:15:02,830 --> 00:15:07,060 S1: But he sees it as, Hey, if I'm not hurting 258 00:15:07,060 --> 00:15:11,860 S1: my family or my friends, it doesn't matter. And I 259 00:15:11,860 --> 00:15:16,780 S1: was when I realized that, wow, this person truly has 260 00:15:16,810 --> 00:15:20,770 S1: no grasp on morality and was telling me, you know, 261 00:15:20,770 --> 00:15:24,100 S1: your morality is not my morality, that we are in 262 00:15:24,100 --> 00:15:27,760 S1: big trouble if there is a generation that has no 263 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:28,930 S1: moral foundation. 264 00:15:29,410 --> 00:15:31,359 S2: Well, that's exactly where we are. There's that quote. I 265 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:33,790 S2: don't know exactly who said it, but it said tough, 266 00:15:34,090 --> 00:15:38,290 S2: tough people create good times. Good times create weak people. 267 00:15:38,290 --> 00:15:42,280 S2: Weak people create tough times. Right. And this this whole 268 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,160 S2: sort of thing, it's like here we are in tough times, 269 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:49,720 S2: create strong people and strong people create good times. Good 270 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:53,440 S2: times create is basically we we're in this line here 271 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:57,760 S2: where we have weak people, are creating tough times. And 272 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:01,780 S2: that whole quote comes into play right now where look 273 00:16:01,780 --> 00:16:05,110 S2: at what's happened. There is no moral compass. Religion is 274 00:16:05,110 --> 00:16:08,530 S2: pretty much gone for a lot of people, right. So 275 00:16:08,530 --> 00:16:11,710 S2: they don't have the moralities of that. Marriage is marriage 276 00:16:11,710 --> 00:16:15,280 S2: is gone. Everyone is now, you know, saying which gender 277 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:17,560 S2: they want to be and everything else. And there's a 278 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,320 S2: lot of there's a lot of and you can say 279 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,210 S2: who you feel you are and be that that's great. 280 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,480 S2: But this is this is a whole lot of wildness. 281 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:28,180 S2: I saw just the other day this lady who was 282 00:16:28,180 --> 00:16:30,880 S2: a she was a she her they them something I'm 283 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,760 S2: not exactly sure, but she was offended. And then she 284 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:36,730 S2: got up and started screaming and just disrupted this whole meeting. 285 00:16:36,730 --> 00:16:43,300 S2: And I say, wow, there's nothing more disruptive than an angry, offended, extroverted. 286 00:16:43,300 --> 00:16:45,790 S2: He she they them whatever. Right. So it's like if 287 00:16:45,790 --> 00:16:47,710 S2: they when they get upset, like they just don't they're 288 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:49,900 S2: just going to sit and scream screech in the sky. 289 00:16:50,260 --> 00:16:53,620 S2: It's because I think maybe time out didn't really work 290 00:16:53,620 --> 00:16:56,290 S2: when I was a kid. Grandma was like, you know what, Travis? 291 00:16:56,290 --> 00:16:58,270 S2: Go out there and pick out a switch off that tree. 292 00:16:58,270 --> 00:17:00,280 S2: I'm a beat your ass and you got your ass beat. 293 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,440 S2: And guess what? You behaved a little better. We're in 294 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,320 S2: a generation where nobody got their ass beat, and so 295 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:07,659 S2: they all just like a bunch of petulant little kids 296 00:17:07,930 --> 00:17:09,700 S2: because they are. And they're going to be grow up 297 00:17:09,700 --> 00:17:12,010 S2: to be petulant little bitch ass adults, right? 298 00:17:12,010 --> 00:17:14,709 S1: Karens a whole a whole bunch of Karens. And the 299 00:17:14,710 --> 00:17:17,980 S1: next generation is going to look at them and go, Yeah, 300 00:17:17,980 --> 00:17:20,080 S1: we're not going to play that anymore. The pendulum's going 301 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:20,770 S1: to swing back. 302 00:17:20,770 --> 00:17:21,660 S2: It's going to squeeze that. 303 00:17:21,670 --> 00:17:24,609 S1: Hard and there's going to be a generation of children 304 00:17:24,609 --> 00:17:28,690 S1: that are going to rebel against this alleged insanity, this 305 00:17:28,690 --> 00:17:32,920 S1: alleged rebellion. And I even I told this kid, I said, 306 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:35,470 S1: you know, what would your what would your dad think 307 00:17:35,470 --> 00:17:37,720 S1: of this? Oh, I you know, I would never tell him. 308 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:41,230 S1: I'm like, well, why if it's not wrong, you know, 309 00:17:41,260 --> 00:17:43,659 S1: because dad would see it was wrong. Let me have 310 00:17:43,660 --> 00:17:45,850 S1: a conversation with your father and see what? What? 311 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:47,590 S2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, thank you. Goodbye. 312 00:17:48,050 --> 00:17:51,520 S1: I ended up like, you know, he. He said he 313 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:54,370 S1: couldn't get me the Nft's back because his developer had him. Like, 314 00:17:54,369 --> 00:17:56,500 S1: for a moment there I thought he was that he 315 00:17:56,500 --> 00:17:59,920 S1: might actually send them back because I ended up being 316 00:17:59,920 --> 00:18:02,530 S1: nice to him and I ended up, you know, talking 317 00:18:02,530 --> 00:18:04,689 S1: because he was like, I can bench to 20 and 318 00:18:04,690 --> 00:18:06,909 S1: I'm well-liked in school. I get great grades, I got 319 00:18:06,910 --> 00:18:09,790 S1: a 1500 on my A.C.T.. I'm like, That's great, but 320 00:18:09,790 --> 00:18:13,300 S1: you're an idiot, you're a fool. And this is why. 321 00:18:13,300 --> 00:18:18,190 S1: And you might end up going to prison over this stuff. 322 00:18:18,190 --> 00:18:21,490 S1: All only 1% of people get caught. I'm like, you know, 323 00:18:21,490 --> 00:18:24,100 S1: sooner or later it's going to catch up with you. 324 00:18:24,460 --> 00:18:27,610 S1: It will, you know, whether you call it karma or, 325 00:18:27,609 --> 00:18:29,770 S1: you know, you, you reap what you sow or what 326 00:18:29,770 --> 00:18:33,940 S1: goes around comes around. I believe that. That that is 327 00:18:33,940 --> 00:18:36,969 S1: a law of the universe and the universe is going 328 00:18:36,970 --> 00:18:39,040 S1: to spank the crap out of you at some point. 329 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:42,270 S1: And I told him, you're going to remember this conversation. 330 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:46,420 S1: I'm sure this 17 year old with an undeveloped brain 331 00:18:46,420 --> 00:18:49,960 S1: who thinks he's so smart and thinks he's being ethical 332 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:53,250 S1: and thinks, Oh, yeah, I know what you know, my 333 00:18:53,260 --> 00:18:57,640 S1: my psychological development is at the age of 17 is 334 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,580 S1: going to get spanked hard and and he's going to 335 00:19:00,580 --> 00:19:02,980 S1: remember our conversation. I'm sure of it. 336 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:05,980 S2: Hmm. I remember what was funny was I have a 337 00:19:05,980 --> 00:19:08,050 S2: friend of mine who knew some people on the dark 338 00:19:08,050 --> 00:19:10,119 S2: Web site. All right. What's his Twitter handle? Because the 339 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:13,090 S2: dude was tweeting me and then figured out his Twitter handle, 340 00:19:13,090 --> 00:19:17,439 S2: figured out his Instagram, his girlfriend's Instagram. And then I 341 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,350 S2: started tweeting him pictures of him and his girlfriends kissing 342 00:19:20,350 --> 00:19:23,230 S2: on Instagram and he freaked out. It was hilarious because 343 00:19:23,230 --> 00:19:26,140 S2: this dude literally went into because when he got my phone, 344 00:19:26,170 --> 00:19:28,389 S2: then I gave him access to my Gmail because you 345 00:19:28,390 --> 00:19:30,730 S2: could do the reset through the SMS. And then it 346 00:19:30,730 --> 00:19:33,310 S2: was trying to get into my Coinbase. But Coinbase, I 347 00:19:33,310 --> 00:19:35,890 S2: used a different email specifically for that, so they couldn't 348 00:19:35,890 --> 00:19:38,320 S2: get into my Coinbase, which what they were trying to do. 349 00:19:38,530 --> 00:19:40,780 S2: Then they got into my apple, I got into my 350 00:19:40,780 --> 00:19:43,300 S2: Twitter and then once you're in my Google, once they're 351 00:19:43,300 --> 00:19:45,220 S2: in my Google, they can get in my Google drive, 352 00:19:45,220 --> 00:19:48,310 S2: which I had some photos that some some hot nudes 353 00:19:48,310 --> 00:19:50,680 S2: that some chicken sent me back in the day and 354 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,199 S2: then was posting those on my Twitter and then as 355 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,480 S2: do was just being an overall hassle. And then I 356 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,330 S2: figured out who he was. And then what was funny 357 00:19:58,330 --> 00:20:03,040 S2: was he access my phone, logged in to his iPhone, 358 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:06,490 S2: and then through my find my iPhone app on mine, 359 00:20:06,490 --> 00:20:09,250 S2: I was able to identify where he was and then 360 00:20:09,250 --> 00:20:11,740 S2: locked his phone so he could not use that phone anymore. 361 00:20:12,010 --> 00:20:14,170 S2: And so then he was back in the me, you know, 362 00:20:14,830 --> 00:20:19,330 S2: like politics and call me King Daddy. And I was 363 00:20:19,330 --> 00:20:21,250 S2: not so friendly. I was I was in no joke 364 00:20:21,250 --> 00:20:22,750 S2: with the guy because he ended up getting nothing from 365 00:20:22,750 --> 00:20:25,770 S2: me except being a pain in the ass. So it's 366 00:20:25,990 --> 00:20:27,669 S2: just these guys, what are you going to do? We 367 00:20:27,670 --> 00:20:29,649 S2: got a whole generation full of idiots who don't know 368 00:20:30,070 --> 00:20:31,270 S2: what the hell are they going to do with their life? 369 00:20:31,270 --> 00:20:33,850 S2: And then we got A.I. taking everything over. So you 370 00:20:33,850 --> 00:20:35,859 S2: got these humans with too much time on their hands, 371 00:20:35,859 --> 00:20:38,980 S2: and not enough money is in their pockets most generally, 372 00:20:39,310 --> 00:20:43,660 S2: and most likely nefarious activities follow suit. 373 00:20:43,869 --> 00:20:46,270 S1: For them in their friends. And he told me this 374 00:20:46,270 --> 00:20:49,030 S1: is a game they compete to see who can steal 375 00:20:49,030 --> 00:20:52,330 S1: the most. Look, I was not, you know, the ideal child. 376 00:20:52,330 --> 00:20:55,359 S1: I remember taking money out of the cash register drawer. 377 00:20:55,540 --> 00:20:57,939 S1: You know, when I was working at the pizza place, 378 00:20:58,180 --> 00:21:00,460 S1: I remember I was I was a doorman at a 379 00:21:00,460 --> 00:21:07,090 S1: club in in Dallas back in 1986. And people would pay, 380 00:21:07,090 --> 00:21:10,300 S1: you know, $5, you know, cover fee to come in 381 00:21:10,570 --> 00:21:14,919 S1: and cash and every other cash entry I shoved in 382 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,660 S1: my pocket. I remember walking out with $300 one night 383 00:21:17,660 --> 00:21:19,750 S1: and thought I was, you know, hero. I didn't have 384 00:21:19,750 --> 00:21:22,930 S1: a moral compass. I mean, I knew it was wrong, 385 00:21:22,930 --> 00:21:24,850 S1: but I didn't care because I needed money. And I 386 00:21:24,850 --> 00:21:27,159 S1: was 19 or 21 years old. I was just a 387 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:32,320 S1: stupid kid. And that's what happens. Stupid kids do stupid things. 388 00:21:32,619 --> 00:21:35,320 S1: And and I was a stupid adult who let this 389 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:38,830 S1: stupid kid trick me. And it happens and it can 390 00:21:38,830 --> 00:21:42,729 S1: happen to you. You sent me a video earlier of Mr. 391 00:21:42,730 --> 00:21:46,120 S1: Beast talking about how somebody broke into his place. Tell 392 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:46,690 S1: the story. 393 00:21:47,590 --> 00:21:50,830 S2: Yes, I just saw on this YouTube short, but apparently 394 00:21:50,830 --> 00:21:55,030 S2: somebody robbed Mr. Beast before he got really huge. Right. 395 00:21:55,330 --> 00:21:58,930 S2: And so he had taken a hundred grand invested in 396 00:21:58,930 --> 00:22:02,649 S2: Bitcoin and then Bitcoin blew up. So this would have 397 00:22:02,650 --> 00:22:06,280 S2: been like probably 2016, 2017 when he bought the Bitcoin. 398 00:22:06,580 --> 00:22:09,280 S2: Then the Bitcoin was worth about $2 million. He was 399 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,050 S2: about to take some of that money, cash out and 400 00:22:11,050 --> 00:22:12,820 S2: make some videos. This is before he really hit it 401 00:22:12,820 --> 00:22:16,209 S2: big and somebody came in, stole his TV, stole his computer, 402 00:22:16,210 --> 00:22:19,330 S2: stole his clothes, all kinds of stuff. And on his 403 00:22:19,330 --> 00:22:22,480 S2: laptop there was a little Post-it note that said Bitcoin 404 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:26,230 S2: private key, like, oh, worst place to hide, like right 405 00:22:26,230 --> 00:22:28,870 S2: there on the thing. And then he realizes like, Oh, shit, 406 00:22:28,869 --> 00:22:31,899 S2: where's my lab? Where's my. Oh, God, I'm getting stolen. Oh, shit. 407 00:22:32,140 --> 00:22:34,030 S2: So he went down to his other computer. They didn't 408 00:22:34,030 --> 00:22:36,180 S2: steal his other computer and he had another note there. 409 00:22:36,190 --> 00:22:39,040 S2: Bitcoin private key he had in a few places, went in, 410 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:43,359 S2: was able to move all of his bitcoin over before, 411 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,250 S2: so the dude didn't steal it. He was too busy 412 00:22:45,250 --> 00:22:48,070 S2: about stealing another one of his TVs or whatever. Didn't 413 00:22:48,070 --> 00:22:50,649 S2: go and getting his $2 million worth of bitcoin at 414 00:22:50,650 --> 00:22:51,040 S2: that time. 415 00:22:51,220 --> 00:22:54,160 S1: So that's a victory story right there. And the guy was, 416 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,530 S1: you know, not only a thief, but a truly stupid 417 00:22:56,530 --> 00:22:57,159 S1: thief because he had. 418 00:22:57,260 --> 00:23:00,369 S2: To watch a 2017 TV now and you could have 419 00:23:00,369 --> 00:23:03,970 S2: had $2 million worth of Bitcoin in 2017, which is 420 00:23:03,970 --> 00:23:06,610 S2: right now probably $5 million. But you think about that 421 00:23:06,609 --> 00:23:09,070 S2: what Mr. Beast did with that turned all that money. 422 00:23:09,070 --> 00:23:11,800 S2: And so basically he made his YouTube money by crypto, 423 00:23:12,010 --> 00:23:14,590 S2: turn it into $2 million and then use that to 424 00:23:14,590 --> 00:23:17,260 S2: fund more videos. So the moral. 425 00:23:17,930 --> 00:23:21,160 S1: The moral of the story is, first of all, get 426 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:25,060 S1: cold storage, use a ledger or a trezor or something 427 00:23:25,060 --> 00:23:29,260 S1: for your your cryptos, because at least then it's it's 428 00:23:29,260 --> 00:23:33,140 S1: more challenging with with hot storage. It's a lot easier 429 00:23:33,140 --> 00:23:36,320 S1: to get to your stuff and be socially engineered that way, 430 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,530 S1: at least with a ledger there is that, oh, transactions 431 00:23:39,530 --> 00:23:42,920 S1: coming in, I need to approve it or you know, 432 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:48,260 S1: or disapprove it. Use the web extension. Still go on 433 00:23:48,260 --> 00:23:52,730 S1: your metamask and and be careful about messages that you 434 00:23:52,730 --> 00:23:55,879 S1: get from anybody on Discord, on Telegram, on tic TAC, 435 00:23:55,880 --> 00:24:02,150 S1: on Instagram, on on signal, on anywhere. Be cautious and 436 00:24:02,150 --> 00:24:07,010 S1: don't accept DMS from people. Always verify before you trust. 437 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:10,459 S1: Don't even trust. Verify what's going on first. 438 00:24:10,730 --> 00:24:13,399 S2: So would you say that the fact that zero on 439 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,190 S2: the app on your mobile device messaged you, is that 440 00:24:16,190 --> 00:24:18,169 S2: the first thing that alerted you that you were getting yanked? 441 00:24:18,230 --> 00:24:21,020 S1: It is and so this is a free app and 442 00:24:21,020 --> 00:24:23,480 S1: we can put a link to this into the shownotes 443 00:24:23,540 --> 00:24:26,960 S1: z vr i0n is the app you can download. Not 444 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,700 S1: sure if they have it for android. I have it 445 00:24:28,700 --> 00:24:31,970 S1: on my iOS and I don't connect my wallet to 446 00:24:31,970 --> 00:24:34,609 S1: Siri and I just track my wallets on zero. And 447 00:24:34,609 --> 00:24:36,889 S1: so you could just put an address in and tell 448 00:24:36,890 --> 00:24:39,500 S1: it to send you notifications. So I tracked Travis's wallets. 449 00:24:39,500 --> 00:24:42,080 S1: Every time Travis does a transaction, I want to know 450 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:43,970 S1: what he's up to. I track several friends and I 451 00:24:43,970 --> 00:24:44,680 S1: get them very. 452 00:24:44,780 --> 00:24:47,480 S2: I want my privacy. Joel, your violate my privacy. 453 00:24:47,700 --> 00:24:51,889 S1: What blockchain? It's public ledger. And so I can see 454 00:24:51,890 --> 00:24:55,760 S1: when you're transacting in nfts or in cryptos, Kazarian tells 455 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,679 S1: me in zero and lit up right away. And it 456 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:02,390 S1: said for bulls and apes, you know, NFT is sent to. 457 00:25:02,390 --> 00:25:06,020 S1: And I'm like, Oh, crap. So thank you. ZIRIN That's 458 00:25:06,020 --> 00:25:09,140 S1: another really great point. Travis. Go download the Syrian app. 459 00:25:09,140 --> 00:25:11,240 S1: I'm going to find a link to that right now 460 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:11,629 S1: to put in. 461 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,090 S2: Yeah, that's good. The Syrian in the style of the 462 00:25:14,090 --> 00:25:16,490 S2: kind of help you modify and monitor what it is 463 00:25:16,490 --> 00:25:18,710 S2: you're trying to do to save your ass. I like that. 464 00:25:19,130 --> 00:25:22,399 S1: App .01. com. 465 00:25:22,410 --> 00:25:24,830 S2: I vr i o in. 466 00:25:25,100 --> 00:25:28,520 S1: Syrian app is the one that you want to get. Yeah. 467 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,949 S1: I'll put a link to that into the shownotes at 468 00:25:30,950 --> 00:25:35,689 S1: Syrian dot i o smart social web three wallet. Again, 469 00:25:35,690 --> 00:25:39,619 S1: you don't need to use it for the wallet aspect. 470 00:25:39,740 --> 00:25:43,160 S1: You can just track it. You can track any wallet 471 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:47,240 S1: you want without it making it a hot wallet. And 472 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,540 S1: so I recommend that. So you go Lessons learned. Here's 473 00:25:50,540 --> 00:25:53,869 S1: another lesson Learn Trav. You can go and write a 474 00:25:53,869 --> 00:25:57,169 S1: review and it'll get read on this podcast, especially if 475 00:25:57,170 --> 00:26:00,050 S1: it's five stars. We got a review from Mike MOH 476 00:26:00,050 --> 00:26:04,760 S1: 1271 fun and entertaining crypto podcast, five stars. He says 477 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,550 S1: It's a great show. Look forward to Joel and Travis 478 00:26:07,550 --> 00:26:10,699 S1: podcast every week, including the nifty show. Listen to it. 479 00:26:10,700 --> 00:26:14,209 S1: So often my fiancee is saying the stay bad in 480 00:26:14,210 --> 00:26:17,030 S1: the intro every time. Ha ha ha. While she isn't 481 00:26:17,030 --> 00:26:20,450 S1: really into crypto, she enjoys listening to Stay Bad five Stars. 482 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,840 S1: All these other reviewers giving less than five are little whiners. 483 00:26:25,250 --> 00:26:26,990 S2: Little whiners. What? Little whiners? 484 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:27,770 S1: That's right. 485 00:26:27,770 --> 00:26:29,870 S2: If you if you leave us, I got a three 486 00:26:29,869 --> 00:26:32,389 S2: star or two or one. I assume you have a 487 00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:37,190 S2: minuscule manhood. So, Mike, go ahead. Just self-identify your microbial. 488 00:26:37,340 --> 00:26:41,209 S1: Mike, Thanks for listening and hope you guys learn something today. 489 00:26:41,210 --> 00:26:44,030 S1: I know I have this week and this is not, 490 00:26:44,030 --> 00:26:47,330 S1: you know, fool me once, shame on. 491 00:26:48,170 --> 00:26:49,909 S2: You. You won't get fooled again. 492 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,879 S1: Fool me twice, shame on me. So this I you 493 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,350 S1: know what? I'm just going to jump right ahead to 494 00:26:54,350 --> 00:26:56,060 S1: the fool me twice. Shame on me. I should have 495 00:26:56,060 --> 00:26:56,690 S1: known better. 496 00:26:56,990 --> 00:26:59,990 S2: Yeah, well, you know what? At least that guy's self 497 00:26:59,990 --> 00:27:01,699 S2: identified as having a micro penis. 498 00:27:02,030 --> 00:27:07,190 S1: He did? Yeah. Yeah. Like in micro morality, too. When 499 00:27:07,190 --> 00:27:10,399 S1: we say stay bad, we don't mean be an asshole. 500 00:27:10,940 --> 00:27:13,000 S1: We mean just stay there. 501 00:27:23,090 --> 00:27:29,160 S3: A group Whose band? 502 00:27:30,940 --> 00:27:34,600 S1: The Bad Crypto podcast is a production of Bad Crypto LLC. 503 00:27:34,750 --> 00:27:37,480 S1: The content of the show, the videos and the website 504 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,590 S1: is provided for educational, informational and entertainment purposes only. It's 505 00:27:41,590 --> 00:27:45,520 S1: not intended to be and does not constitute financial investment 506 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,550 S1: or trading advice of any kind. You shouldn't make any 507 00:27:48,550 --> 00:27:52,240 S1: decisions as to finances, investing, trading or anything else based 508 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:56,770 S1: on this information without undertaking independent due diligence in consultation 509 00:27:56,770 --> 00:28:00,159 S1: with a professional financial advisor. Please understand that the trading 510 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:05,230 S1: of Bitcoins and alternative cryptocurrencies have potential risks involved. Anyone 511 00:28:05,230 --> 00:28:07,630 S1: wishing to invest in any of the currencies or tokens 512 00:28:07,630 --> 00:28:10,990 S1: mentioned on this podcast should first seek their own independent 513 00:28:10,990 --> 00:28:17,600 S1: professional financial advisor. Trev, I don't know if you're aware, 514 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:21,170 S1: but the feedback from the show that we did recently 515 00:28:21,170 --> 00:28:25,609 S1: about I was fantastic. And I think we should like 516 00:28:25,609 --> 00:28:29,990 S1: do a spinoff show because, you know, I does overlap 517 00:28:29,990 --> 00:28:32,330 S1: some into blockchain, but mostly not. 518 00:28:32,619 --> 00:28:35,780 S2: Hmm. And mostly what we've been is sort of the 519 00:28:35,780 --> 00:28:40,190 S2: Sherpa to new technologies, right? This whole world of crypto 520 00:28:40,190 --> 00:28:43,760 S2: and an NFT is an metaverse and play to earn. 521 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,860 S2: And I just fits right in with what it is 522 00:28:45,860 --> 00:28:46,490 S2: that we do. 523 00:28:46,670 --> 00:28:48,200 S1: The Sherpa DARPA's I believe. 524 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,730 S2: It was a show or the Serpent Sherpas. Yeah, sure. 525 00:28:50,780 --> 00:28:52,270 S2: Be very sensitive to crypto. 526 00:28:52,850 --> 00:28:55,430 S1: Well, let's let's talk about that a little bit more. 527 00:28:55,430 --> 00:28:57,950 S1: And you guys who get to the privilege of listening 528 00:28:57,950 --> 00:29:00,200 S1: to these Easter eggs because, you know, sometimes we go 529 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:04,340 S1: on after the show is actually over. Stay tuned. 530 00:29:04,790 --> 00:29:06,770 S2: This isn't an Easter egg. This is more like a 531 00:29:06,770 --> 00:29:08,520 S2: Halloween treat, like a cherry tree. 532 00:29:09,390 --> 00:29:10,640 S1: Are we going to trick or treat them? 533 00:29:10,940 --> 00:29:12,140 S2: I don't know. To be determined. 534 00:29:12,610 --> 00:29:14,030 S1: Well, we'll let air decide. 535 00:29:15,500 --> 00:29:17,630 S2: Oh, and that's how we can in the show as 536 00:29:17,780 --> 00:29:19,250 S2: stay I bad? 537 00:29:21,610 --> 00:29:21,709 S3: Yeah. 538 00:29:25,700 --> 00:29:26,240 S2: That's good.