1 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:09,240 S1: It's Friday, November 28th. I'm Laura Spurway and this is 2 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:14,040 S1: AFL daily. Well, for the third time in three years, 3 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:17,840 S1: it's North Melbourne and Brisbane. The trilogy of grand finals. 4 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:20,799 S1: One flag apiece. So this one. This is the tie 5 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:24,160 S1: breaker as I welcome Gemma Bastiani. A reminder to follow 6 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,880 S1: AFL daily wherever you get your podcasts so you never 7 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:30,000 S1: miss a moment. Gemma. The trilogy I think we all 8 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,400 S1: thought it may go this way, but this is unprecedented. 9 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:36,280 S1: To have the same two teams play the grand final 10 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:37,320 S1: three years in a row. 11 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:39,920 S2: Yeah, you're right, it's what we all thought would happen 12 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:43,720 S2: and it's probably the right result, say, for Melbourne and 13 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,560 S2: their performance against North last week if things had fallen 14 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:49,680 S2: a little bit differently in that qualifier. But, um, I 15 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:53,600 S2: think it's the best possible result for a wonderful grand 16 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:54,680 S2: final on Saturday. 17 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,480 S1: What I love about this match up between North Melbourne, 18 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:01,180 S1: Tasmanian Kangaroos and the Brisbane Lions is the comment that 19 00:01:01,220 --> 00:01:03,940 S1: Emma Carney made earlier this week where she says, well, 20 00:01:03,940 --> 00:01:05,740 S1: I love being at the top. It's up to all 21 00:01:05,740 --> 00:01:08,619 S1: the other teams in the competition to rise to our level, 22 00:01:08,860 --> 00:01:11,420 S1: because both clubs have had such a massive level of 23 00:01:11,420 --> 00:01:15,220 S1: success over the last couple of years. So North Melbourne 24 00:01:15,260 --> 00:01:18,620 S1: still undefeated, but we did get a little bit of 25 00:01:18,620 --> 00:01:20,819 S1: a look in the preliminary final. I think with the 26 00:01:20,819 --> 00:01:24,740 S1: Dees that they are not as invincible as perhaps we 27 00:01:24,740 --> 00:01:25,860 S1: thought they were. 28 00:01:26,020 --> 00:01:29,420 S2: Yeah, it's kind of felt all season like this result 29 00:01:29,420 --> 00:01:31,500 S2: was just going to be a foregone conclusion. This wouldn't 30 00:01:31,500 --> 00:01:33,220 S2: be a good grand final because it's just going to 31 00:01:33,220 --> 00:01:37,140 S2: be north. But Melbourne showed everyone that there is a 32 00:01:37,140 --> 00:01:39,500 S2: way to best North Melbourne. You just have to be 33 00:01:39,500 --> 00:01:41,539 S2: able to do it for four full quarters. They did 34 00:01:41,540 --> 00:01:43,380 S2: it for three and a half. They got within ten 35 00:01:43,420 --> 00:01:46,819 S2: points of north and they really took away their weapons. 36 00:01:46,980 --> 00:01:50,340 S2: Brisbane is an exceptionally fit team, their best quarters of 37 00:01:50,340 --> 00:01:52,580 S2: their last quarters. So if they can pluck a couple 38 00:01:52,620 --> 00:01:55,180 S2: of those strategies out and implement them across the course 39 00:01:55,180 --> 00:01:57,380 S2: of the game, they're in with a shot here. It's 40 00:01:57,380 --> 00:02:00,220 S2: not it's not a done result already. 41 00:02:00,620 --> 00:02:03,910 S1: So Brisbane finished the home and away season in third spot. 42 00:02:03,950 --> 00:02:06,950 S1: They were a little bit up and down to begin with, 43 00:02:06,950 --> 00:02:09,550 S1: but that, I think, is also due to the fact 44 00:02:09,550 --> 00:02:11,870 S1: that they changed things up this year. This is a 45 00:02:11,870 --> 00:02:14,910 S1: different looking team to the team that played North in 46 00:02:14,910 --> 00:02:16,110 S1: last year's grand final. 47 00:02:16,389 --> 00:02:19,389 S2: Yeah, Craig Starcevich came out of last year's grand final, 48 00:02:19,389 --> 00:02:21,510 S2: saying we need to add a bit more to our 49 00:02:21,510 --> 00:02:23,470 S2: game if we're going to compete with the standard that 50 00:02:23,470 --> 00:02:27,070 S2: North Melbourne is now setting. Brisbane forever has been a 51 00:02:27,070 --> 00:02:30,230 S2: run and gun team, a territory gaining team, a chaos team. 52 00:02:30,230 --> 00:02:32,710 S2: They want to kick it long, use their athleticism and 53 00:02:32,710 --> 00:02:34,910 S2: speed to get into space in front of the ball 54 00:02:34,910 --> 00:02:37,669 S2: and score that way, and it has been highly effective. 55 00:02:37,870 --> 00:02:41,109 S2: But as other teams become fitter, as other teams become 56 00:02:41,110 --> 00:02:44,669 S2: more structured behind the ball, it's harder to execute that 57 00:02:44,669 --> 00:02:46,710 S2: on a consistent basis. And that's what we saw in 58 00:02:46,710 --> 00:02:50,070 S2: that grand final last year. So now that ability to 59 00:02:50,110 --> 00:02:53,590 S2: add that extra short kick in or that extra handball 60 00:02:53,790 --> 00:02:56,990 S2: or the run from behind, the use of the footy 61 00:02:56,990 --> 00:02:59,230 S2: as well, they acknowledge that maybe their skills weren't up 62 00:02:59,230 --> 00:03:03,370 S2: to scratch. So a couple of positional changes. J Dellinger 63 00:03:03,370 --> 00:03:05,010 S2: has had the best season of her career. Playing off 64 00:03:05,010 --> 00:03:07,770 S2: halfback Charlie Mullins has come off half back as well, 65 00:03:07,770 --> 00:03:10,690 S2: using that elite kick of hers. So putting players that 66 00:03:10,690 --> 00:03:13,049 S2: can actually hit those targets, coming out of defense rather 67 00:03:13,050 --> 00:03:15,570 S2: than just be expected to bomb it long, it took 68 00:03:15,570 --> 00:03:17,650 S2: five weeks. It was a bit of a growing pain. 69 00:03:17,650 --> 00:03:19,530 S2: It took them five weeks. They won two of those 70 00:03:19,530 --> 00:03:22,970 S2: first five. Their last loss was against North Melbourne in 71 00:03:22,970 --> 00:03:26,209 S2: round five, 29 point margin. But since then they've gone 72 00:03:26,250 --> 00:03:29,970 S2: on a tear so they've found their groove. Funnily enough 73 00:03:29,970 --> 00:03:32,850 S2: North Melbourne's last loss. It is far longer ago but 74 00:03:32,850 --> 00:03:35,010 S2: it is against Brisbane so their last loss is against 75 00:03:35,010 --> 00:03:37,250 S2: each other, so they've both got that in the back 76 00:03:37,250 --> 00:03:38,810 S2: of their minds. I would imagine. 77 00:03:38,810 --> 00:03:40,890 S1: There's a lot of storylines out of this grand final. 78 00:03:40,890 --> 00:03:42,570 S1: I mean, the trilogy is obviously one of them, but 79 00:03:42,570 --> 00:03:47,170 S1: also there are some players that are playing their seventh 80 00:03:47,210 --> 00:03:51,050 S1: seventh grand final for the Lions in Ali Anderson, Shannon 81 00:03:51,050 --> 00:03:52,970 S1: Campbell and Bree Koenen. That's extraordinary. 82 00:03:53,010 --> 00:03:55,570 S2: It is extraordinary. And when you think about it, we've 83 00:03:55,610 --> 00:03:58,250 S2: actually this is only the ninth grand final because although 84 00:03:58,250 --> 00:04:00,810 S2: we're in the 10th season, we didn't have a grand 85 00:04:00,810 --> 00:04:03,630 S2: final in 2020 due to the Covid shutdown, so the 86 00:04:03,630 --> 00:04:05,870 S2: fact that they've played in all but two of them 87 00:04:06,150 --> 00:04:08,950 S2: is remarkable. It's also evidence that we still are yet 88 00:04:08,950 --> 00:04:11,310 S2: to see a grand final in the AFL without one 89 00:04:11,310 --> 00:04:13,670 S2: of Brisbane or Adelaide, so we've never had an old 90 00:04:13,670 --> 00:04:16,390 S2: Victorian grand final before. Some people were rooting for that, 91 00:04:16,390 --> 00:04:19,270 S2: not me. Uh, but it is. It is a really 92 00:04:19,270 --> 00:04:22,390 S2: interesting thing to see. It is a national game. Brisbane's 93 00:04:22,390 --> 00:04:25,470 S2: program has been so good for so long, and those 94 00:04:25,470 --> 00:04:27,070 S2: players have withstood it all. 95 00:04:27,390 --> 00:04:30,230 S1: In terms of the numbers. Again, we might see a 96 00:04:30,230 --> 00:04:34,110 S1: record breaking individual performance when it comes to Premiership winners. 97 00:04:34,430 --> 00:04:38,270 S1: Libby Birch from North. If they win, she will be 98 00:04:38,270 --> 00:04:41,190 S1: the only AFL player to have Four Flags. 99 00:04:41,230 --> 00:04:44,510 S2: Yes. Last year she became the first player in NFL 100 00:04:44,750 --> 00:04:47,030 S2: history to win Three Flags at three separate clubs. So 101 00:04:47,029 --> 00:04:52,270 S2: obviously at the Western Bulldogs in 2018 at Melbourne. Got 102 00:04:52,270 --> 00:04:55,310 S2: to be careful at Melbourne in 2022 season seven, which 103 00:04:55,310 --> 00:04:59,270 S2: was against Brisbane. The 2018 flag was against Brisbane and 104 00:04:59,270 --> 00:05:03,090 S2: last year obviously North Melbourne against Brisbane. Uh, the only 105 00:05:03,089 --> 00:05:07,810 S2: grand final she's played in and lost was against Adelaide. Um, 106 00:05:07,810 --> 00:05:11,050 S2: but the fact that she'll now be going for a 107 00:05:11,050 --> 00:05:12,970 S2: fourth flag, a few of her teammates are going for 108 00:05:12,970 --> 00:05:16,130 S2: their third flag. It shows you just what stalwarts they 109 00:05:16,130 --> 00:05:18,570 S2: can be. And wherever Libby goes, they seem to win 110 00:05:18,570 --> 00:05:19,410 S2: win flags. 111 00:05:19,570 --> 00:05:22,130 S1: Well, it's just been about it's been the movement hasn't it? 112 00:05:22,130 --> 00:05:24,650 S1: The player movement and the fact that you've been able 113 00:05:24,810 --> 00:05:27,450 S1: to move around freely, there hasn't been enough of an 114 00:05:27,450 --> 00:05:30,250 S1: incentive to keep you at clubs. And I think that 115 00:05:30,250 --> 00:05:32,729 S1: landscape will shift. I think it is shifting already. That's 116 00:05:32,770 --> 00:05:35,850 S1: a a separate issue to the grand final. But there 117 00:05:35,850 --> 00:05:39,770 S1: are also some first time Premiership players from both teams. Well, 118 00:05:39,770 --> 00:05:42,330 S1: given the success that they've both had, there will be 119 00:05:42,330 --> 00:05:44,050 S1: some players who win their first flag. 120 00:05:44,089 --> 00:05:46,490 S2: Yeah, there are three at each club that we're expecting 121 00:05:46,529 --> 00:05:49,290 S2: to play that are yet to win a flag. Obviously 122 00:05:49,290 --> 00:05:51,650 S2: North Melbourne last year, so there are three changes to 123 00:05:51,690 --> 00:05:54,210 S2: their team. Eliza Shannon, who was unfortunately the hard luck 124 00:05:54,210 --> 00:05:56,729 S2: story last year, got dropped in the prelim for Emma 125 00:05:56,730 --> 00:05:58,849 S2: Carney to come back in. So you can't be too 126 00:05:58,890 --> 00:06:01,859 S2: mad that you're losing your spot to Emma Carney. But 127 00:06:01,860 --> 00:06:05,140 S2: then Irish woman Bogue, who was an All-Australian this year. 128 00:06:05,300 --> 00:06:07,980 S2: And then also Eilish Sheeran, who obviously a two time 129 00:06:07,980 --> 00:06:10,659 S2: All Australian at Richmond, came across in the off season 130 00:06:10,660 --> 00:06:13,979 S2: and returned from her hamstring injury last week. And then 131 00:06:13,980 --> 00:06:17,219 S2: at Brisbane, they also have their own Irish woman who's 132 00:06:17,220 --> 00:06:20,940 S2: come in and she's been the mid-size forward that Brisbane 133 00:06:20,940 --> 00:06:23,740 S2: has lacked since Greta Bodey made the move to Hawthorn. 134 00:06:23,740 --> 00:06:26,020 S2: She's been brilliant for them this year. And then the 135 00:06:26,020 --> 00:06:29,060 S2: two recruits from WA at the start of last year 136 00:06:29,060 --> 00:06:32,700 S2: in Eleanor Harthill and Jenny Davidson, the three of them 137 00:06:32,700 --> 00:06:35,460 S2: are going for their first flag. Eleanor Harthill did play 138 00:06:35,460 --> 00:06:37,300 S2: in the grand final last year, but obviously they didn't 139 00:06:37,300 --> 00:06:40,540 S2: get the win. So although she's tasted a grand final, 140 00:06:40,540 --> 00:06:42,100 S2: she's not tasted success. 141 00:06:42,779 --> 00:06:45,260 S1: The fact that it's the first one is wild to me, 142 00:06:45,260 --> 00:06:46,980 S1: given the season that she's had. And if you look 143 00:06:46,980 --> 00:06:49,460 S1: at the players to watch from this game, she's definitely 144 00:06:49,460 --> 00:06:52,460 S1: one for me based on her prelim performance. But the 145 00:06:52,460 --> 00:06:55,300 S1: midfield battle is going to be a match up for 146 00:06:55,300 --> 00:06:56,099 S1: the ages. 147 00:06:56,140 --> 00:06:59,100 S2: Yeah, they're two hard nut midfielders, aren't they? And they 148 00:06:59,100 --> 00:07:02,440 S2: work in really different ways. But the thing for me 149 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:04,600 S2: is that, and this is what Melbourne showed us on 150 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,760 S2: the weekend, everything starts at the source for North Melbourne. 151 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,400 S2: What they want to do is win the ball in close, 152 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,080 S2: flip it to the outside and then control it from there. 153 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,280 S2: But if you can interrupt it in the middle there, 154 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:19,160 S2: take away that first possession, take away that territory, gaining possession, 155 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,280 S2: then you'll be able to actually take a little bit 156 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:24,280 S2: of control in the game, which North Melbourne does not 157 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:26,840 S2: want to give you. So a lot of that falls 158 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:30,880 S2: on players like Bell, Daws, Cathy Svarc, Ali Anderson, even 159 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:34,120 S2: Talia Hickey, who is a ruck but becomes a midfielder 160 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:38,600 S2: for them to actually quell and limit the influence of Astraddle, 161 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,960 S2: who just won the Aflw. BDNF. Jasmine Garner, who is 162 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:44,880 S2: widely considered the best player in the game. Ruby Tripodi, 163 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,200 S2: who has come on in leaps and bounds and been 164 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:50,840 S2: such a good news story, you know, playing for Williamstown 165 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:54,080 S2: in the VFL. W is a supplementary draft pick and 166 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:56,640 S2: is now a premiership player going for a second. So 167 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,520 S2: it's those players for Brisbane that are going to start 168 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:02,100 S2: and set the standard for what the rest of the 169 00:08:02,100 --> 00:08:03,179 S2: game is going to be. 170 00:08:03,180 --> 00:08:05,420 S1: There's some characters in both sides, aren't there? Because if 171 00:08:05,420 --> 00:08:07,300 S1: I think of antagonists in the game, I think of 172 00:08:07,300 --> 00:08:11,020 S1: Dakota Davidson, and then I think of Emma Carney and 173 00:08:11,180 --> 00:08:13,540 S1: what they can do to the players around them to 174 00:08:13,580 --> 00:08:14,900 S1: disrupt their momentum. 175 00:08:15,100 --> 00:08:17,940 S2: I'm not sure how many people remember this specific moment, 176 00:08:17,940 --> 00:08:22,460 S2: but it's stuck in my memory in the 2023 Grand final. 177 00:08:22,500 --> 00:08:25,140 S2: Emma Carney was getting a bit chirpy. Um, she was 178 00:08:25,140 --> 00:08:28,100 S2: saying to the Brisbane forwards, don't poke the bear, you 179 00:08:28,100 --> 00:08:30,820 S2: don't want to poke the bear. And Dakota Davidson did 180 00:08:30,820 --> 00:08:34,020 S2: not like that, of course. Uh, and she Dakota was 181 00:08:34,020 --> 00:08:36,540 S2: not having the best game. She was still influencing, but 182 00:08:36,540 --> 00:08:39,900 S2: not in the way we'd seen that year. Um, but 183 00:08:39,900 --> 00:08:41,860 S2: there was just this tackle. There was a tackle on 184 00:08:41,860 --> 00:08:44,180 S2: the wing where she took her down. And that was 185 00:08:44,179 --> 00:08:46,980 S2: the moment for Dakota Davidson to get into that game. 186 00:08:47,420 --> 00:08:48,819 S2: I don't know if they'll play on each other, but 187 00:08:48,820 --> 00:08:51,220 S2: they'll definitely be in each other's vicinity. So that will 188 00:08:51,220 --> 00:08:52,940 S2: be a little matchup to keep an eye on. 189 00:08:52,980 --> 00:08:54,740 S1: It'll be a battle of the lip there, won't it? 190 00:08:54,980 --> 00:08:57,980 S1: We've been speaking about the players and the achievements of 191 00:08:57,980 --> 00:09:00,179 S1: some of the players, but the coaches as well. I mean, 192 00:09:00,220 --> 00:09:04,400 S1: this will be Craig Starcevich seventh AFL Grand Final at 193 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:07,599 S1: the helm of the Lions. Also played in the 1990 194 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:11,800 S1: AFL Grand Final for Collingwood. His coaching record speaks for itself. 195 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:13,760 S1: They love him up there. He's done a fantastic job 196 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:15,880 S1: for the program and he's going to continue it. 197 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,400 S2: Yeah, he's signed on for next year, which is really 198 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:22,840 S2: important obviously to keep that stability. He's the final remaining 199 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:26,680 S2: inaugural coach in the AFL, with Mick Senior having stood 200 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,040 S2: down earlier this week. The funny thing about the two 201 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,600 S2: of these is that yes, they're the they're two people 202 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,440 S2: who have both won an AFL men's flag as a 203 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:37,760 S2: player and an AFL flag as a coach. They also 204 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,920 S2: played against each other five times. Uh, Craig Starcevich and 205 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:44,329 S2: Darren Crocker stars comes out on the positive 3 to 206 00:09:44,330 --> 00:09:47,240 S2: 2 uh, in that little metric. So I don't know 207 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,520 S2: how much confidence that gives him going in either. 208 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:52,840 S1: So with croc third AFL Grand final played in the 209 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:56,720 S1: 96 AFL Grand Final for North Melbourne. Very loyal club 210 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:00,560 S1: man and the team absolutely loves him. And Ash Riddell 211 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,650 S1: obviously mentioned the influence that he has on their group 212 00:10:03,650 --> 00:10:06,530 S1: when she gave her BNF speech the other night. It's 213 00:10:06,530 --> 00:10:10,610 S1: clear that he has put the team and their mentality 214 00:10:10,610 --> 00:10:13,850 S1: in an extremely healthy place, and he is bringing out 215 00:10:13,850 --> 00:10:16,449 S1: the best in what is already a very formidable side. 216 00:10:16,490 --> 00:10:19,730 S2: Yeah, he's a he's just a lovely person, croc, then 217 00:10:19,730 --> 00:10:22,610 S2: that's first and foremost. And that's why everything else works 218 00:10:22,610 --> 00:10:25,370 S2: because people want to play for him. I remember speaking 219 00:10:25,370 --> 00:10:28,450 S2: to him post grand final last year and just asking, 220 00:10:28,890 --> 00:10:31,690 S2: how do you feel? And he said, it's relief because 221 00:10:31,929 --> 00:10:34,250 S2: I was trying to take on all the pressure that 222 00:10:34,250 --> 00:10:38,209 S2: had been mounting on North Melbourne's AFL program, so that 223 00:10:38,210 --> 00:10:41,290 S2: the players didn't have to feel it. So I felt 224 00:10:41,290 --> 00:10:43,530 S2: the pressure, but I wanted to make sure they didn't. 225 00:10:44,050 --> 00:10:47,970 S2: So once the siren went and they had one relief 226 00:10:47,970 --> 00:10:50,530 S2: was the feeling because and that's the way he coaches. 227 00:10:50,530 --> 00:10:53,650 S2: He takes on the pressure so the players can just play. 228 00:10:53,850 --> 00:10:56,090 S2: And that is what works at North Melbourne. They have 229 00:10:56,090 --> 00:10:58,170 S2: such good on field leaders, but they're able to lead 230 00:10:58,170 --> 00:11:00,450 S2: in their way because of the way he coaches them. 231 00:11:00,490 --> 00:11:02,830 S2: And they've got a host of assistant coaches that are 232 00:11:02,830 --> 00:11:04,750 S2: also a big part of that. But crock is obviously 233 00:11:04,750 --> 00:11:05,310 S2: the leader. 234 00:11:05,429 --> 00:11:07,790 S1: Now, this is a big question, and I wonder how 235 00:11:07,790 --> 00:11:11,109 S1: much Brisbane's style of footy and the changes they've made 236 00:11:11,230 --> 00:11:13,470 S1: have to deal with it. But where do you think 237 00:11:13,470 --> 00:11:14,670 S1: this game will be won? 238 00:11:14,950 --> 00:11:18,270 S2: It has to come down to that midfield conversation because 239 00:11:18,270 --> 00:11:21,190 S2: everything dominos from there, so it starts in the midfield 240 00:11:21,190 --> 00:11:23,630 S2: as we discussed. You don't want to let North Melbourne 241 00:11:23,630 --> 00:11:27,069 S2: immediately get territory on you because once they have territory, 242 00:11:27,070 --> 00:11:30,550 S2: their defence sets up beautifully and then you have a 243 00:11:30,550 --> 00:11:32,430 S2: nightmare of a time trying to get it back out. 244 00:11:32,750 --> 00:11:35,949 S2: The next part of that is maintaining forward structure. So 245 00:11:35,950 --> 00:11:39,829 S2: your forwards must, must, must, must keep your length on 246 00:11:39,830 --> 00:11:42,550 S2: the ground. So that means staying in the forward line. 247 00:11:42,550 --> 00:11:44,590 S2: Don't come up to the ball because you're trying to 248 00:11:44,590 --> 00:11:48,030 S2: support your teammates. You need to force North Melbourne's defence, 249 00:11:48,030 --> 00:11:49,990 S2: which has been the best defence in the last three 250 00:11:49,990 --> 00:11:52,710 S2: years of AFL, to defend you one on one. They 251 00:11:52,710 --> 00:11:54,310 S2: don't want to defend you one on one, they want 252 00:11:54,309 --> 00:11:56,390 S2: to defend you as a system, but they can only 253 00:11:56,390 --> 00:11:59,390 S2: do that if you minimise your numbers or you don't 254 00:11:59,390 --> 00:12:02,530 S2: position yourself well. So it's not just your tall forwards 255 00:12:02,530 --> 00:12:04,730 S2: like a Taylor Smith or a Dakota Davidson that you 256 00:12:04,730 --> 00:12:06,850 S2: need to make sure ahead of the ball it's your 257 00:12:06,850 --> 00:12:08,890 S2: smalls as well. We saw Ruby Spark light it up 258 00:12:08,890 --> 00:12:11,450 S2: last week Courtney Hodder. They need to beat the fall 259 00:12:11,450 --> 00:12:13,410 S2: of the ball. So even if Taylor Smith or Dakota 260 00:12:13,450 --> 00:12:16,930 S2: Davidson don't take that mark. There's representation at ground level. 261 00:12:16,929 --> 00:12:19,410 S2: So that's step two is keeping your structure ahead of 262 00:12:19,410 --> 00:12:23,330 S2: the ball. Step three is just limiting North Melbourne's uncontested 263 00:12:23,330 --> 00:12:26,290 S2: marking game. So don't let them just chip it around 264 00:12:26,290 --> 00:12:29,770 S2: until they find that spot. You need to be up 265 00:12:29,770 --> 00:12:32,890 S2: on them making them have to fight for the footy. 266 00:12:32,929 --> 00:12:35,570 S2: Don't let them just win it with ease. That's the 267 00:12:35,570 --> 00:12:39,090 S2: very simple Laura three step plan to beating North Melbourne. 268 00:12:39,090 --> 00:12:41,689 S2: But again four full quarters you need to do that for. 269 00:12:41,730 --> 00:12:42,610 S2: Can Brisbane do that. 270 00:12:42,610 --> 00:12:45,250 S1: There are some coaching vacancies going and perhaps someone after 271 00:12:45,250 --> 00:12:48,370 S1: listening to this podcast might you might get a bit 272 00:12:48,370 --> 00:12:51,130 S1: of a call. Gemma Bastiani. So look the next follow 273 00:12:51,170 --> 00:12:53,570 S1: up question and you've sort of addressed it already is 274 00:12:53,570 --> 00:12:56,050 S1: where will it be lost? But if it's if that's 275 00:12:56,050 --> 00:13:00,090 S1: a separate thing to just nullifying what North Melbourne do, well, 276 00:13:00,850 --> 00:13:04,990 S1: I think it's more about Brisbane winning the game rather 277 00:13:04,990 --> 00:13:06,190 S1: than losing the game. 278 00:13:06,230 --> 00:13:09,589 S2: You're 100% right, and I think the big part of that, 279 00:13:09,590 --> 00:13:12,189 S2: there's two things. I think part of that one is 280 00:13:12,190 --> 00:13:14,870 S2: the mental game being switched on for four full quarters. 281 00:13:14,870 --> 00:13:17,790 S2: I feel like a broken record saying four full quarters, 282 00:13:17,790 --> 00:13:20,550 S2: but it is the key to the game against North Melbourne. 283 00:13:20,550 --> 00:13:22,670 S2: You have to be able to go the distance with them, 284 00:13:22,670 --> 00:13:25,150 S2: so mentally you need to be switched on for that 285 00:13:25,150 --> 00:13:29,469 S2: whole time. Can Brisbane do that? Discipline wise, don't give 286 00:13:29,470 --> 00:13:32,670 S2: away silly free kicks or 50 metre penalties because territory 287 00:13:32,670 --> 00:13:35,270 S2: is everything to them. It is everything to them, so 288 00:13:35,270 --> 00:13:38,069 S2: don't let that happen. But then just in terms of 289 00:13:38,070 --> 00:13:41,270 S2: actual strategy around the contest, you just can't collapse in, 290 00:13:41,270 --> 00:13:43,429 S2: you can't collapse all your numbers and dedicate all your 291 00:13:43,429 --> 00:13:46,390 S2: numbers to the inside, because North Melbourne will always have 292 00:13:46,390 --> 00:13:48,429 S2: an outlet by hand that they will hit and then 293 00:13:48,429 --> 00:13:52,630 S2: they'll kill you. So don't collapse in around contest. Keep 294 00:13:52,630 --> 00:13:54,630 S2: your brain switched on. Are the two things. 295 00:13:54,670 --> 00:13:55,550 S1: Are we tipping? 296 00:13:55,590 --> 00:13:58,390 S2: I mean, I publicly had to tip in my match preview, 297 00:13:58,390 --> 00:14:00,790 S2: so North Melbourne by six is what I'm going with. 298 00:14:00,790 --> 00:14:02,520 S2: I think it'll be close, but I think North will 299 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:03,720 S2: go back to back. How about yourself? 300 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:05,719 S1: I'm going to say north as well. I think you 301 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,439 S1: can't underestimate the fact the games at Ikon Park. I 302 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:11,880 S1: reckon if it ended up at Brighton Homes Arena, maybe, 303 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:13,600 S1: maybe there would have been a bit more of an 304 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:15,760 S1: edge Brisbane's way. But I'm going north in a tight 305 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:16,480 S1: one as well. 306 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:18,480 S2: We can only a tight grand final is a good 307 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:19,240 S2: grand final right. 308 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:21,800 S1: Sell out, sell out. Can't wait. Jim, thank you for 309 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:25,880 S1: your insights. The best footy mind going around. Keep your 310 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:29,040 S1: phone open Jim. You never know the list. Managers may come, 311 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:32,160 S1: may come running. We look forward to bringing you all 312 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:35,040 S1: the action from the grand final. AFL media will be 313 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,800 S1: all over it. Don't forget to subscribe to AFL daily 314 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:40,360 S1: wherever you get your podcasts. It's been a fantastic year. 315 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:43,240 S1: We'll see you again next year. For more on AFL daily.