WEBVTT - Could a SANZAA Team be Beaten? 0:00:02.759 --> 0:00:05.920 Insideline back for another week. Justin Harrison, Matt, Rogersy and 0:00:05.920 --> 0:00:09.719 Peyton in the house just quickly, big big day for Queensland, 0:00:09.720 --> 0:00:11.880 New South Wales. Obviously that other code sate of Origent. 0:00:12.119 --> 0:00:14.159 Good well done on wearing a little tinge of our 0:00:14.160 --> 0:00:14.720 own today. 0:00:15.040 --> 0:00:17.680 Well I knew that my little boyfriend was coming on, 0:00:17.840 --> 0:00:20.560 so I want to give him a stomach to cry on. 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:22.560 I can't say shot it because he comes up at it. 0:00:22.880 --> 0:00:23.560 I did not know. 0:00:23.760 --> 0:00:25.760 I did not know you were such a proud Queenslander. 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:28.080 You have warmed my heart today. But let's talk some 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:31.760 big news in the world of rugby and a story 0:00:31.840 --> 0:00:35.240 written by our VERIONI and Peyton which is out today. 0:00:35.800 --> 0:00:38.839 That Golden Point or super Point as we know it 0:00:38.880 --> 0:00:41.720 in Super Rugby Pacific is being looked at as a 0:00:41.760 --> 0:00:45.560 possibility of being included in the British and Irish Lines 0:00:45.600 --> 0:00:46.599 tour Australia this year. 0:00:46.640 --> 0:00:49.400 Well, it surprised me that it's actually taken this long 0:00:49.440 --> 0:00:52.520 to kind of come up really, So obviously the twenty 0:00:52.560 --> 0:00:56.520 seventeen series was a drawer, and you know the captains 0:00:56.520 --> 0:00:58.440 were there both looking a bit po faced and the. 0:01:00.680 --> 0:01:01.480 Sharing the series. 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:03.960 So I mean it was just a matter of asking 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:08.000 whether you know whether golden point would be employed for 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:10.200 this year series got onto field Wall yesterday said yes, 0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:14.959 they've had conversations with the lines about and making sure 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:18.160 that there's a chance for a winner to be found obviously. 0:01:17.840 --> 0:01:18.000 So. 0:01:19.520 --> 0:01:22.000 It's they've put that forward to the to the Lions, 0:01:23.000 --> 0:01:24.199 waiting on an answer back. 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:27.160 Essentially, it would be for all three tests. 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:29.280 It's kind of been it's been read into that it 0:01:29.360 --> 0:01:31.080 was just the third test, so it would be for 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:35.240 all three tests. I think the model around the Super 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:38.240 Rugby one, which is a period of ten minutes and 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:40.280 then if there's no result, it's a draw. 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:42.880 I think first point score any in any. 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:45.240 And I know you've got thoughts about that, but essentially, 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:48.000 I guess you don't want to game the first test 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:49.400 going for one hundred and twenty minutes, you know what 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:52.720 I mean, so with another two tests to play, so 0:01:52.920 --> 0:01:55.160 that's to be a cut off point at sometimes maybe. 0:01:54.960 --> 0:01:56.880 The third I want to go. 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:01.320 The third test, the third test you just play for 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:03.200 three days if you need, until you find a winner. 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:07.560 I think it's common sense, isn't it, Like we're in 0:02:07.560 --> 0:02:09.200 the modern sporting games. 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:11.359 But the fact that they were talking about just having 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:13.080 it for the game three. What if they draw the 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:15.720 first game, British and Irish lines win the second, and 0:02:15.720 --> 0:02:17.799 then Australia win the third in golden point. 0:02:17.600 --> 0:02:22.520 Like no, no, it's not sorry. Lack of communication now 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:24.000 on my part is not just for it. 0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:26.600 It'd be for all three, so you would have a 0:02:26.639 --> 0:02:28.239 winner for each, which would makes. 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:31.640 Sense to the winners. Ask every losing team in a 0:02:31.680 --> 0:02:34.160 super point scenario where they agree with it after having 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:39.440 lost the jeopardy of that is not insignificant a big 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:42.600 series like that to be decided on a golden on 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:43.560 a super point. 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:47.480 Or is that like instantly golden point or super point 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:48.360 whatever they're calling it. 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:51.000 You mean if you kick a penalty, Yeah, instantly. 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:54.079 They're not having extra time first, they don't do that 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:58.760 these days. Well certainly what are they doing in the 0:02:58.760 --> 0:03:01.120 world In the World Cup? They do do still an 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:03.120 extra period of like. 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:05.040 Five each way and then go into golden point. 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:08.320 I would probably prefer that, like have an extra time. 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:10.680 Five each way and then if you can't get it, 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:12.800 it's like they have extra time in soccer, and then 0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:15.640 if they can't get result, let's go to penalties. I 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:19.360 think then you can win the game under I guess 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:23.040 game type situations. What I found in Golden Point, things 0:03:23.080 --> 0:03:26.160 get a bit all over the shop and refines they're 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:33.520 not inclined to you know, there's people cheating though, there's 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:36.279 people cheating throughout a whole game trying to get an advantage. 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:38.840 But in Golden Point, you know. 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:41.320 It gets exposed because the referee is not blowing the whistle. 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:43.960 Things get brought up. It becomes conjecture around the game. 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:48.400 There's controversy, controversy around the win, the loss, and it 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:50.320 just puts a bad spin on the game. I think 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:52.960 they need extra time first before they get a Golden Point. 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:55.640 Do you think with a series of this magnitude it 0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:57.200 kind of have to have a winner at the end 0:03:57.240 --> 0:03:58.440 of the day, justin. 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:01.320 But the idea of a horn match and not having 0:04:01.600 --> 0:04:03.839 not a Grand Five of a World Cup, those sorts 0:04:03.880 --> 0:04:08.080 of things. Series games a series three games series. Sometimes 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:13.800 there is merit in a drawn series because of the 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:17.120 notion of the three games. It's such a close contest. 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:20.200 Both teams come away with an amount of integrity but 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:22.040 also validity in their performance. 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:26.000 So the people that hold the shield. 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:30.240 The commerciality of from twelve, the commerciality of being the 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:33.440 British and Ice Lions champion as opposed to I. 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:35.520 Just don't I mean, I take the point, but I 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:37.880 just don't see why we're squeamish about fronting a winner. 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:39.120 You play eighty minutes. 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:41.560 Losing, right, so I guess, you know, be a champion 0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:41.840 or not. 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:46.240 There are some hairs on it, like to your point. 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:52.039 And yours right that referees arm could decide the series 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:55.359 like he spots them. So yeah, there might be some 0:04:56.400 --> 0:04:59.960 there might be some fanangling around that, but I don't know. 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:03.480 I just don't say it because it's already coming out now, 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:05.720 Like there's there's a lot of people who are just 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:09.159 habitually kind of conservative in the North, people from we 0:05:09.200 --> 0:05:10.760 don't want to you know, why can't we just have 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:13.400 a drawn series. I heard someone say you don't always 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:15.320 have to have a winner, and it's like, what are 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:16.479 we playing here for? 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:17.039 You know? 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:19.919 Look, I think I think extra I think World Cup model. 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:24.280 It's fine, extra time and frequent. 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:26.400 I know that at the risk of bringing up some 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:28.919 painful memories that two thousand and three World Cup. Obviously 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:35.560 it was getting to a point where like Johnny almost 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:38.279 did as a favor in in resolving it right, because 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:41.400 otherwise we're going to another Is there another. 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:44.920 In this could be. 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:47.400 Less than too many? 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:48.640 Let me let me finish. 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:52.800 Let me finish my point because eventually, if you guys 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:55.880 had to battle it out and you got to goal kicks, like, 0:05:55.920 --> 0:05:58.120 how how dissatisfying would that be? 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:00.280 If you're lost in goal kicks, Regin, you know what 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:00.600 I mean? 0:06:00.720 --> 0:06:02.720 But you losing goal kicks for a golden point. If 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:05.680 someone kicks a penalty, yeah, that's a goal kick. So 0:06:05.839 --> 0:06:07.400 at least you've got you've got a bit of a 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:10.240 play out there. You've got so football r you have 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:12.520 for penalty shootouts, there's a bit of intrigue. We know 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:14.760 there's an immediacy of feedback when you score, but there's 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:17.880 still a red white dot scenario that gives you a 0:06:17.960 --> 0:06:21.839 chance to either accelerate skill to take that point. But yeah, 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:26.160 I think that's probably the most exotic convenience solution. Adopt 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:29.039 the World Cup model because, by the way, all nations 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:31.560 that are playing in the British ice lines and Australia 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:34.560 have already accepted that that model is acceptable in the 0:06:34.600 --> 0:06:37.039 World Cup, So why would you not accept that? For 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:40.480 a British I need to invent something new here. This 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:43.559 is just inheriting what's already been in practice since nineteen 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:44.080 eighty seven. 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:46.520 Yeah, I think that's a really good point. What's the 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:50.159 likelihood paid? Are you getting a sense of how likely 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:51.080 this gets approved? 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:51.360 No? 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:53.280 I mean obviously Rugby Australia. 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:55.240 How would have been to see a penalty shootout in 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:57.160 British ice lines at the end of the thing? 0:06:57.240 --> 0:07:00.000 I would I would love James Slipper astead up? 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:03.159 Oh god, person, I don't know. 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:06.800 I'd rather I'd rather it's resolved in a footy in 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:07.640 a footy game. 0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:11.920 Accidental slip, accidental clean out, head high penalty, go on, 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:14.680 have a high tackle framework. Now the fragility contest in 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:17.840 the escort line, there's a collapse scrum. 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:22.520 Yeah, you don't like the golden point or super point. 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:24.880 I like the super point, but I think the fragility 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:27.280 of how you can you can end the British nice 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:29.880 line series. On the back of some interpretations now and 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:32.440 tmos reaching in and all sorts of different things, I 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:35.960 think that the best and first representation is multiple chances, 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:39.080 an extra time, multiple chances in a penalty shootout. It's 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:41.280 already in play with World Cup let's get on. 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:46.160 Yeah, there's some resistance that you hinted that is it 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:46.880 time you reckon? 0:07:47.560 --> 0:07:49.000 Look, I don't know. 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:51.800 I just think that golden point if you're looking at 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:55.680 from a fans perspective, like finishing it in a footy sense, 0:07:56.280 --> 0:07:58.520 rightly or wrongly, you know, if it's a penalty. 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:01.360 Or whatever, that that's I don't. I don't know. I don't. 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:04.200 I don't want to see props kicking goals to decide 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:05.640 a World Cup or a line series. 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:07.080 You know, like it just doesn't feel right. 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:11.880 Matt Dunning knocked over a goal, losing the game against 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:17.080 winning game. It's the most replayed, compelling piece of content 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:18.200 we've ever seen. 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:23.000 Yeah, compelling, the greatest movie. 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:25.680 As far as the actual I don't know. 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:29.960 Rugby Australia obviously put it forward, so there came for 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:33.319 it to happen. I don't know the model about, you know, 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:35.400 whether it'd be that super point the ten minutes and 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:36.120 then it's a draw. 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:38.080 Maybe this a draw is still on the table. 0:08:38.120 --> 0:08:40.360 I just like the idea that, you know, the two 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:42.000 teams can if it's a draw at the end of 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:45.120 eighty minutes, the two teams can keep battling until you 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:46.000 find a winner. 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:48.079 You know to be a revelation, why don't you ask 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:51.240 the players, because that's how we got to super point. 0:08:52.240 --> 0:08:55.080 Players were involved in the discussion in the players because 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:57.360 we're talking about integrity of competition and we want player 0:08:57.400 --> 0:08:59.160 attention and we want them to stick around and playing 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:02.280 competitions and gets pass the playoffs. 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:05.240 You think you think the Aussie side at least would 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:07.400 support it, given that they That's how we landed on 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:07.960 time point. 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:10.360 Sometimes you don't know, you don't know. It's the feedback 0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:13.880 from players is wide and varied, and it's it's commensarate, 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:17.120 it's time stamped and it's right, So you know that 0:09:17.559 --> 0:09:18.319 would be a good one. 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:22.760 We have seen that the North and that's a very 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:25.400 broad brush, but the North have been slow to move 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:29.319 on some law changes but fans and the fans yet 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:31.880 fair enough, let's do a pole. But we we have 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:35.480 seen that they've there's slowly been an acceptance of the 0:09:35.520 --> 0:09:38.240 twenty minute red card because that PATO has been approved 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:40.160 to be applied during the Lion series. 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:43.880 So that the global the trial a loose track a 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:45.679 we're up to is still in a trial stage. I 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:48.400 think that's been extended to a Global Trial, So all 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:50.880 competitions after August one, this is what they decided at 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:54.080 the World Rugby meetings. All competitions will now be under 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:57.640 the twenty minute red card. That obviously leaves that left 0:09:57.880 --> 0:10:00.880 the line series. Just prior to that, Lions and RA 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:04.560 agreed with each other that they would also come under 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:04.880 that troll. 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:07.560 So yes, the twenty minute red card will be used. 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:10.520 Can I can I throw a hypothetical at here? I've 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:13.920 open this to everyone because that Global Trial was to 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:16.120 start on the first of August. The third test is 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:20.880 on the second of August. Right if the Lions organization 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:24.120 had knocked back not agreed with Rugby Australia having twenty 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:27.679 minute red card applied to this series, could hypothetically Rugby 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:29.360 Australia going well for the third test. 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:29.800 You can't. 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:32.199 You've got no saying it. It's going to be in oh. 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:36.120 Guess so yeah, if you're a calendar watcher, that might 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:37.319 have been a catalyst to them agree. 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:39.960 No, we don't. We don't want to have an egg 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:40.480 on our faith. 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:43.280 But that is one of the smartest moves Rugby I've 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:46.080 ever done, and other codes need to get on board 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:48.120 with it because the amount of people that are invested, 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:52.359 be it fans, sponsors, organizations. 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:57.040 It just you keep the integrity of the game. 0:10:57.360 --> 0:10:59.840 Yeah, you get punished, you're without to play for twenty minutes, 0:10:59.840 --> 0:11:02.920 but you get parody then after twenty minutes, and. 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:05.440 You know, it's something that other codes need to look 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:07.120 at because it's a very smart move. 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:12.679 Well, the criticism is that the lens is applied commercially 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:16.000 first before it's applied to changing player behavior and play 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:20.319 welfare and diminishing the validity of a red card, so 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:23.400 that let's have a look at that. It's not doing that. 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:26.559 It's not diminishing the validity of a red card and 0:11:26.679 --> 0:11:31.640 promoting the possibility of having a thug who has instruction 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:34.440 to run onto the field take the star player out 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:36.480 with an elbow to the head in a malicious act 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:39.240 and not be penalized for it, nor the team, nor 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:44.400 the environment. And that's not true. Referees still have an 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:47.679 ability to give a red card that is final, that is, 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:50.800 the full force of the red card is still in play. 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:54.000 We are not substituting or the game is not substituting 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:58.480 a red card for a twenty minute diminished. Yes, that's right. 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:01.280 So the referee still has a decision to make there. 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:04.839 The argument is now that referees are reluctant to go 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:07.760 to that card because they have a bit of a 0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:11.160 handbreak in the TMO Safety's own and with sort of 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:14.520 I feel like referees need to be given some encouragement 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:17.480 to represent themselves and accept that there's going to be 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:20.599 mistakes made onto the analysis of a team a so 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:23.360 red card. I think it's a great exotic solution around 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:27.040 sanctioning a team for a period of time not diminishing 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:29.559 the integrative of the result and the intensity of the 0:12:29.640 --> 0:12:32.640 performance for all sorts of reasons other than just commerciality 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:35.560 safety issues. You've got the full scrum, full functioning line 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:38.439 out malls. You've got players who are not under more 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:40.480 fatigued than the other because they're down a man for 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:43.640 seventy minutes instead of just fifteen. Those sorts of things 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:45.920 come into it as well. So the twenty minute red 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:48.640 card makes sense. You still have a player on a 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:50.360 red card not able to come back on and face 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:53.280 the judiciary, possibly receive further sanctions. 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:56.640 It's as good mentioned before when I said that the 0:12:56.800 --> 0:13:01.960 North slow to adapt change sometimes includes the fans as well. 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:06.360 There is quite a strong stance on red cards and 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:08.920 the debate over twenty minute red card from fans of 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:12.319 Northern Hemisphere rugby. This was approved by the World Rugby Council. 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:16.200 How's how's it being received from you know, the rugby 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:18.320 supporters in the North fine. 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:21.120 I think, as you've pointed out, like they've got used 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:22.880 to it and they've seen the merit in it. I 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:24.800 think there's just a fear of the unknown, and it's 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:27.000 kind of like a chicken little stuff, you know, like, oh, 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:29.160 if you do that, then the game's going to go 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:33.320 and it's you know, maybe by extension the golden point 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:35.480 idea might grow on them as well, you know, like. 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:38.319 The question for you, yeah, do you reckon it's because 0:13:38.320 --> 0:13:40.920 of the optics, because red red it's too confusing. People 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:42.040 are having short outs. 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:45.520 What about yeah right, yeah, well that's a good recon 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:49.040 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, welcome. 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:53.040 I want to ask you to think the optics. The 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:55.440 optics of red red hang and I'm confused. I can't 0:13:55.480 --> 0:13:58.800 follow the rules. I think it's too drop out. I 0:13:58.840 --> 0:13:59.319 don't want to know. 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:02.240 I think it's relief that makes sense to your belief structure. 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:04.480 Whether you still think people are trying to get away 0:14:04.520 --> 0:14:09.720 with something right like that, that there are still people 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:12.880 who will go onto the field and try and intentionally 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:14.640 take out the five to eight, you know, like I 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:16.880 think that those days are gone, and you've got to 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:21.760 accept that most red cards are the result of recklessness 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:22.400 or an accident. 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:23.800 Yeah, and so. 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:27.920 Therefore to blow a whole game up over, Yes, absolutely, 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:30.640 those people need punishing, and you are trying to drive 0:14:32.120 --> 0:14:34.480 change at a training ground level where it's like, let's 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:36.800 all get our tackle heights lower. So, but you don't 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:39.000 need to be punished for sixty five minutes. You can 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:41.240 be punished with twenty minutes, and then the game just. 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:42.800 Keeps going like it. 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:46.640 Yeah, the days of someone being centered on the field 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:48.880 to take a player out, but the game's too hard, 0:14:49.640 --> 0:14:53.280 The game's too hard to put someone in to go 0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:56.040 out and do that, to punish your team, to punish 0:14:56.120 --> 0:14:58.560 the player, the sanctions that go on beyond the game 0:14:58.680 --> 0:14:59.320 for that player. 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:03.160 It's just not I don't see it in the game anywhere. 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:07.240 In a game. Your teammates are indiot. You know, I 0:15:07.280 --> 0:15:09.160 would shoe blokes in my own team if they gave 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:11.880 away a penalty the next right, Absolutely. 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:14.800 We discussed shoeing you threatened to shoe me all the. 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:18.560 Reason I think so much because shoeing my own teammates. 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:20.920 You're too busy. 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:25.320 Well, I will say this, don't give away a penalty, Okay, 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:25.920 I will say this. 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:30.040 And to square the circle is that the punishment has 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:32.480 to come afterwards, right, and you've spoken about this cool 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:36.040 is that the disciplinary part has to be where the 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:40.320 hammer falls and we're just not necessarily seeing that with consistency, right. 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:43.440 I wouldn't be surprised. I'll throw be devil's advocate here 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:46.360 if there's a conspiracy from fans in the North that 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:49.000 we've pushed for this, We being Australia, have pushed for 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:52.080 this because we have some plan up our sleeve to 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:57.040 to take the first five minutes or to be perfect. 0:15:57.080 --> 0:15:59.680 Honest, I think this one's just flying by without a 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:02.600 bat at island, you know, like it's kind of the 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:05.320 twenty minute red card got using the six nations. Six 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:08.520 nations went fine, world didn't fall in. I think they've 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:09.200 all moved. 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:09.360 On from that. 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:12.360 Well we should move on to because there's some big 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:17.040 news in recent days that a World Club Cup has 0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:21.280 I'm going to use air quotes here been approved to 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:25.080 take place in twenty twenty eight and will occur every 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:30.440 four years after that. The basic details are it will 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:34.040 include sixteen teams, eight of them from the Champions couple 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:37.040 from the UK and Europe, seven from Super Rugby and 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:41.120 one from Japan. But is everyone on board, Pato, like, 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:44.040 is this actually going to happen in twenty twenty eight? 0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:45.120 Not yet. 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:49.240 I think there's a general enthusiasm for something like this 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:49.720 to happen. 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:50.440 So it's been. 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:54.760 Discussed for decades that the World Club Challenge could get 0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:57.320 off the ground. So the news over the weekend was 0:16:57.360 --> 0:17:02.400 that the EPRC, who run the Champions Cup and essentially 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:05.320 you know it's it's over the USC the top fourteen 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:08.600 English Premiership, they had agreed that they like it. 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:10.640 They want to move ahead with the proposal. 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:16.360 Agreed over proven all were good there, we're all good. 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:19.840 So Super Rugby and uh, you know, I think there's 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:21.879 the proposal includes a club from Japan. 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:25.119 Need to still we have this sign off and again. 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:28.960 Spoke to Phil war yesterday said like, the concept, you know, 0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:32.840 I could have could be drive some good commercial outcomes, 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:35.960 but you know they've got to figure out how to 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:37.399 fit it all in right, and. 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:41.280 Do you that's the hard but without firstly getting into 0:17:41.320 --> 0:17:42.000 the how does it work? 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:42.280 Stuff? 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:42.720 Do you like that? 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:43.280 I love it? 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:43.800 Love it? 0:17:43.960 --> 0:17:44.800 Love? What do you love it? 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:46.320 That was what it does. 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:51.280 I remember we back in my league days, we had 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:54.000 a thing called the World Club Challenge during the Super 0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:57.120 League where you know the Kronola Sharks. We toured over 0:17:57.160 --> 0:18:01.040 to the UK and we played against We played against Bradford, 0:18:01.080 --> 0:18:02.640 we played against Saint Helen's. 0:18:03.960 --> 0:18:05.280 I was a young player. 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:07.600 I wasn't playing rep footy at the time, and that 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:11.280 that experience for me just opened my eyes. I thought 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:13.960 it made me a better footballer, seeing different environments, playing 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:17.280 against different styles of play, and what it can do 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:20.159 for young players is enormous who haven't quite made it 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:21.200 that next step. 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:22.680 To the representative level. 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:26.080 Playing in a great club side opened their eyes up 0:18:26.119 --> 0:18:27.960 to the world, opened their eyes up to different types 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:31.440 of training, different types of play, and I think it 0:18:31.480 --> 0:18:35.080 can only benefit I think on a whole. You know, 0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:37.119 you look at like the UAA Champions League. You know 0:18:37.200 --> 0:18:39.359 that the best teams in soccer getting together and playing it. 0:18:39.640 --> 0:18:42.560 It's huge, it becomes it's massive. I guess the challenge 0:18:42.640 --> 0:18:46.000 with rugby, it's so it's spread so far Apart that, 0:18:46.240 --> 0:18:48.639 just trying to find the time and how it all 0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:52.160 works and does it interfere with you know, the Rugby Championship, 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:53.520 does an interfere with Super Rugby? 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:55.720 How they put it all together. That's going to be 0:18:55.760 --> 0:18:56.240 the challenge. 0:18:56.560 --> 0:18:59.080 But in terms of it as a competition, I would 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:01.680 love nothing more than to see, you know, the best 0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:04.280 Australian team up against the best English team or the 0:19:04.320 --> 0:19:07.480 best French team or you know, at a club level 0:19:07.960 --> 0:19:11.040 and to be able to finally bury the hatchet once 0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:14.440 a year of who is the best rugby maying hemisphere? 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:17.000 Is it the North or is it the South? Of 0:19:17.119 --> 0:19:18.720 course it's the South, but we'll never. 0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:23.479 Know, isn't Isn't that what the Nations Cup is going 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:25.760 to do? Decide that it's interesting? 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:33.320 Is well? Rugby is trying to find windows and opportunities 0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:36.840 to create market events, to move away from novelty events, 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:40.440 right respectfully? World Club Challenge a bit of a development model. 0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:42.880 Hey guys, do you want to get a passport? What's 0:19:42.920 --> 0:19:51.760 that thing? Let's play nur l. We'll go and understand 0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:57.159 foreign exchange and you know different what you have with 0:19:57.440 --> 0:20:01.040 with rugby is this international? And you to correct Northeast 0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:04.520 South competition. Timing the governance model making this a marquee 0:20:04.560 --> 0:20:07.280 event needs to be a competition, so that means it 0:20:07.400 --> 0:20:12.359 needs a time frame inside a year that's full to 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:15.080 have a series of opportunities for teams to play against 0:20:15.119 --> 0:20:18.720 each other, into a finals, into a Grand Final situation, 0:20:18.840 --> 0:20:21.359 out a trophy that's worth holding. The timing of it 0:20:21.440 --> 0:20:24.359 once every four years after the World Cup, lots of 0:20:24.480 --> 0:20:28.080 Maco issues to decide, which I won't put us all 0:20:28.160 --> 0:20:31.199 to sleep with funding, who's going to fund it, how 0:20:31.359 --> 0:20:33.080 is it going to be compelling to be funded, and 0:20:33.160 --> 0:20:35.600 what level of funding of club's going to be compensated 0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:38.560 for for giving up something clearly. And giving up something 0:20:38.640 --> 0:20:42.720 clearly in Super Rugby means moving the Super Rugby season forward, 0:20:42.880 --> 0:20:46.440 probably earlier start in the year, a different type of 0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:49.560 structure for that once every four years. There's been models 0:20:49.720 --> 0:20:53.199 proposed around no finals and just round robin. There's been 0:20:53.280 --> 0:20:57.119 models proposed around shorter season, I think nine games or 0:20:57.160 --> 0:21:00.480 eight rounds and then into quarter semis finals, not as 0:21:00.560 --> 0:21:03.520 many home games for provinces. That means they're funding models down, 0:21:03.760 --> 0:21:06.359 who's compensating them and to what level. Then we've got 0:21:06.400 --> 0:21:08.159 this thing called the players being asked to get on 0:21:08.240 --> 0:21:11.480 a plane, move overseas and play already play a load, 0:21:11.560 --> 0:21:13.960 play welfare. So there are the three islands at the 0:21:14.000 --> 0:21:15.840 moment that still needs to be agreed. So when we 0:21:15.920 --> 0:21:19.679 say conceptually yes, Macro, no problem, these. 0:21:19.560 --> 0:21:21.919 Are details that need to Thanks for not putting us asleep. 0:21:23.720 --> 0:21:27.440 I'm not put your sleep, I'm away. Was that quick enough? Yeah, 0:21:27.520 --> 0:21:30.280 pretty good? I agree. I'll get their trouble for talking 0:21:30.359 --> 0:21:34.159 for too long. These are complex, right, they are right. 0:21:34.320 --> 0:21:35.280 That was unfair of me. 0:21:35.480 --> 0:21:36.159 That was unfair. 0:21:37.000 --> 0:21:39.560 That's absolutely right. Lot of mouth watering right. The idea 0:21:41.920 --> 0:21:44.240 finally we now can figure that out. 0:21:44.400 --> 0:21:49.159 But the way they're talking about it is that it 0:21:49.200 --> 0:21:52.320 would be played in June. So and finnily enough, the 0:21:52.400 --> 0:21:55.680 season's the end of our seasons actually marry up perfectly, 0:21:55.840 --> 0:21:57.720 like the English finish up at the same time as us. 0:21:57.800 --> 0:22:00.520 They just play for three or four months longer. It 0:22:00.560 --> 0:22:02.639 would be put in June, is what they're talking about. 0:22:05.320 --> 0:22:07.480 Two pools of what are we talking two pools of eight? 0:22:07.640 --> 0:22:10.680 So you're talking like three games each plus the finals. 0:22:10.680 --> 0:22:12.280 So it's a month of footy. That's still a long 0:22:12.359 --> 0:22:14.400 time to be Like for the Brumbies in the warld 0:22:14.480 --> 0:22:16.680 does to get on a plane and go to live 0:22:16.720 --> 0:22:17.760 in the UK for a month. 0:22:17.840 --> 0:22:20.200 So maybe the idea is it doesn't need to be 0:22:20.320 --> 0:22:22.760 that big, like just send your top two teams. 0:22:22.720 --> 0:22:25.880 I think, but the notion of seven teams from Super 0:22:26.000 --> 0:22:29.240 Rugby is too many. Too many? Yeah, and then even 0:22:29.280 --> 0:22:32.320 eight from the Champions Couple UK and you're just just. 0:22:32.800 --> 0:22:35.400 Send send your best two warriors into the thunder Dame 0:22:35.480 --> 0:22:37.119 and you know, Sammy's in final. 0:22:36.920 --> 0:22:39.320 Like you still figure out I'd watch the hell out 0:22:39.359 --> 0:22:39.520 of that. 0:22:39.640 --> 0:22:43.440 But so and so talking to Phil yesterday, said that 0:22:43.520 --> 0:22:47.080 the the preference would be to not contract the Super 0:22:47.160 --> 0:22:51.600 Rugby season, so you would currently if you're moving at 0:22:51.640 --> 0:22:54.359 four three weeks, you're starting in the middle of January, right, 0:22:54.800 --> 0:22:55.720 so it's. 0:22:55.600 --> 0:22:57.800 Pretty hot, which runs up against Daniel. 0:22:58.359 --> 0:23:01.080 So the Wallabies boys usually only turn up back up 0:23:01.160 --> 0:23:05.040 to work around January ten. But having said that, they 0:23:05.080 --> 0:23:09.080 would start holidays earlier because the World Cup is finishing 0:23:09.160 --> 0:23:11.480 in November the year before, so that might not be 0:23:11.560 --> 0:23:14.840 such a problem. But then you know, you've got suber 0:23:14.880 --> 0:23:17.320 Rugby has been push from pillar to post and changed 0:23:17.359 --> 0:23:18.639 a thousand times, and you know. 0:23:18.800 --> 0:23:22.240 So just a little bit. Yeah, there's one thing, yes 0:23:22.400 --> 0:23:24.840 to that point in your story that I was quite 0:23:24.840 --> 0:23:28.800 impressed with, or that I liked hearing from Key Priority 0:23:28.920 --> 0:23:33.119 that they don't suffering from a continuous change trying to 0:23:33.400 --> 0:23:35.919 keep some continuity in it, so. 0:23:36.000 --> 0:23:39.800 They would they would at most move the season, just 0:23:39.880 --> 0:23:42.280 pick it up and move it instead of like, okay, 0:23:42.359 --> 0:23:44.520 we won't play finals, we'll do first past the post 0:23:44.640 --> 0:23:47.560 or you know, like I think that that's what risk analysis. 0:23:47.640 --> 0:23:57.560 Yeah, risk and benefit existing product versus enticing concept into reality, meritocracy, meritocracy, 0:23:57.600 --> 0:24:03.000 everyone with funding requirement play, wefare workplace conditions. Do the 0:24:03.119 --> 0:24:06.080 unions agree? You know, there's lots of moving parts. It's 0:24:06.160 --> 0:24:09.800 it's it is an intoxicating concept, and players often talk about, 0:24:09.880 --> 0:24:12.160 you know, wanting to solve the issue, and I wonder 0:24:12.560 --> 0:24:14.920 we knew the consequences. I wonder if you talk about 0:24:14.920 --> 0:24:18.119 player retention right, So then contract modeling will start to 0:24:18.200 --> 0:24:21.080 look further than just the World Cup years work up 0:24:21.119 --> 0:24:23.520 to World Cup, because you'll want your strongest teams to 0:24:23.640 --> 0:24:25.639 be entering into a World Clup challenge if it's got 0:24:25.720 --> 0:24:30.000 validity and marquee status and maybe even surprise money. Who knows, 0:24:30.400 --> 0:24:32.040 you know that that could be a thing as well. 0:24:32.160 --> 0:24:35.440 You'd hate to think that World Cup the team that's 0:24:35.520 --> 0:24:37.639 performed very well. So the Brumby's have got you know, 0:24:37.840 --> 0:24:40.360 five or six players that they've contracted just about right, 0:24:40.400 --> 0:24:41.959 and then they're all going over seas and they will 0:24:41.960 --> 0:24:45.360 pop up at less and then less benefit from those 0:24:45.440 --> 0:24:47.719 blanks playing for who knows right. You know, you're like, oh, 0:24:47.760 --> 0:24:49.760 hang on a minute, we want that back. 0:24:50.440 --> 0:24:53.280 And the other hurdle is that there's all tests or 0:24:53.280 --> 0:24:55.119 the four Tests on the other side of it, so 0:24:55.200 --> 0:24:57.400 everyone has to jump on planes. And now the Nation's Cup, 0:24:57.480 --> 0:24:59.720 so everyone comes to the South in July, so that'd 0:24:59.760 --> 0:25:01.639 have to you'd have to carve out. 0:25:01.480 --> 0:25:03.680 Another couple of weeks to make sure everyone's right apart. 0:25:03.840 --> 0:25:07.080 Wonder if the model is you do away with you 0:25:07.200 --> 0:25:09.720 do away with a mid year test window for that 0:25:09.880 --> 0:25:12.960 year in July when the North come down here and 0:25:13.040 --> 0:25:16.320 we play two Tests against Wales, one Test against et cetera. 0:25:16.680 --> 0:25:19.320 Maybe that one year, No way, every four years, you 0:25:19.400 --> 0:25:19.879 do away with it. 0:25:21.840 --> 0:25:22.840 Yeah, it's too much money. 0:25:22.920 --> 0:25:25.840 Well that's whether this can generate a place. 0:25:27.440 --> 0:25:30.879 Could I mean there's a lot, there's there'll be a 0:25:30.920 --> 0:25:32.720 lot of games to be played. It could generate it 0:25:33.320 --> 0:25:34.920 just it's new trying. 0:25:34.720 --> 0:25:37.080 To know what is don't know. We don't know what 0:25:37.200 --> 0:25:39.119 it could generate. It's been talked about for a long 0:25:39.200 --> 0:25:41.560 time and the sticking point has been someone to say, 0:25:42.000 --> 0:25:44.840 here's the here is the money, this is how it's 0:25:44.880 --> 0:25:47.760 going to be dispersed. Ultimately, that is a big rock 0:25:48.280 --> 0:25:49.280 that needs to be solved. 0:25:51.400 --> 0:25:52.160 Were good idea. 0:25:52.960 --> 0:25:53.199 I love. 0:25:53.280 --> 0:25:56.439 We shouldn't be happy, we shouldn't be afraid of a. 0:25:56.760 --> 0:25:59.080 Like worked out. But I think in principle, I think 0:25:59.080 --> 0:25:59.399 it'd be. 0:25:59.480 --> 0:26:00.639 I think, and we're starting. 0:26:00.720 --> 0:26:02.080 I think it's a good thing that we're starting to 0:26:02.119 --> 0:26:04.040 see these new little things pop up, even though the 0:26:04.119 --> 0:26:05.159 keywis they want to play. 0:26:05.040 --> 0:26:05.840 Us on hand ack day. 0:26:05.920 --> 0:26:08.399 But like we've been stuck in, we've been stuck in 0:26:08.440 --> 0:26:11.679 around Rugby's kind of calendar for a while now, right, 0:26:11.840 --> 0:26:16.320 you know, like some change and some new things well 0:26:16.480 --> 0:26:18.440 only kind of invigorate people's interests. 0:26:18.480 --> 0:26:23.520 Here's a potential byproduct. Does it create reverse sabbaticals? We 0:26:23.640 --> 0:26:26.879 get it starts to open up the opportunity, open up 0:26:26.920 --> 0:26:29.679 the eyes of Northern Hemisphere based players to come out here, 0:26:30.080 --> 0:26:32.760 which Jordy Barrett, who's at Leansa at the Moment said 0:26:32.840 --> 0:26:35.439 recently that players up there actually their eyes light up 0:26:35.480 --> 0:26:37.800 about the opportunity to come and playing in Super rugby 0:26:37.840 --> 0:26:38.680 for instance. 0:26:39.600 --> 0:26:42.639 Well, pathways and talent progression and depth charting becomes an 0:26:42.680 --> 0:26:45.200 issue then, right, and then you start you need to 0:26:45.280 --> 0:26:48.200 then in conjunction with because of this ecosystem and because 0:26:48.240 --> 0:26:51.840 everything's so connected, one area as a ripple somewhere else. 0:26:51.960 --> 0:26:57.240 So then eligibility and selection criteria for national teams because 0:26:57.280 --> 0:26:59.760 if you're going to import talent, you're going to lose 0:26:59.800 --> 0:27:02.040 its somewhere else. And normally you see the younger ones 0:27:02.119 --> 0:27:04.679 or your established ones, because the younger ones go, well, 0:27:04.680 --> 0:27:06.159 why am I going to stick around? Because they're just 0:27:06.200 --> 0:27:08.040 bringing in the rock star from Lensto who is not 0:27:08.160 --> 0:27:10.159 even Australian, not even going to play for Australia. So 0:27:11.280 --> 0:27:13.960 I'm going overseas. If they if they're good enough to 0:27:13.960 --> 0:27:15.879 play for Australia, do they then get brought back to 0:27:15.920 --> 0:27:17.720 play for Australia. In this notion, they've got a sign 0:27:17.800 --> 0:27:19.880 with the Siper Rugby club to be eligible. That needs 0:27:19.960 --> 0:27:20.920 examination as well. 0:27:20.960 --> 0:27:23.280 Then global game twenty years time. 0:27:23.320 --> 0:27:25.560 Maybe they're sitting around in a podcast or whatever the 0:27:25.600 --> 0:27:28.760 hell they're doing talking about like rugbies like soccer. 0:27:28.800 --> 0:27:29.720 Everyone plays every. 0:27:31.080 --> 0:27:31.280 Yeah. 0:27:31.560 --> 0:27:32.920 Producer Trav is a big fan of that. 0:27:35.000 --> 0:27:36.120 That podcast. 0:27:39.000 --> 0:27:41.720 Movement has never been greater, right, So the game needs 0:27:41.800 --> 0:27:44.400 to solve that because that is not that is only 0:27:44.480 --> 0:27:47.359 going to accelerate Rugby's in an international market. Now. You 0:27:47.480 --> 0:27:49.760 need to find out a way to maintain the Bungee 0:27:49.800 --> 0:27:53.280 Cort attachment and still have an opportunity to develop the 0:27:53.359 --> 0:27:56.240 resource and then use that resource when it's fully functional. 0:27:56.600 --> 0:27:59.040 It's good chat, plenty of good chat. Plenty of good 0:27:59.080 --> 0:28:04.320 questions coming in the sideline mailbag as well, so we 0:28:04.480 --> 0:28:07.280 might open up a few of those. This is a 0:28:07.400 --> 0:28:10.680 question from d Q. I won't read out that Twitter 0:28:10.720 --> 0:28:13.879 handle because it's a lot of numbers. When is Rugby 0:28:13.920 --> 0:28:17.920 AU releasing the First Nation Slash PACIFICA and OZ and 0:28:18.119 --> 0:28:22.720 Z jerseys and the squad lists. We've seen the coaching teams. 0:28:23.000 --> 0:28:25.080 This is me now we have seen the coaching teams 0:28:25.119 --> 0:28:29.960 for both announced in recent days. They have released options 0:28:30.040 --> 0:28:32.520 for a First Nations jersey which fans can vote on 0:28:33.200 --> 0:28:35.800 and go in the chance to win an experience to 0:28:35.880 --> 0:28:38.480 go to that First Nations Pacific game down in Melbourne. 0:28:38.520 --> 0:28:40.760 If they select the winning jersey. 0:28:41.320 --> 0:28:42.200 Have you looked at the jersey? 0:28:42.280 --> 0:28:46.360 I've looked at the jerseys. I'll be perfectly honest. I'm 0:28:46.360 --> 0:28:49.120 a bit underwhelmed by the four options. Yeah, I don't 0:28:49.120 --> 0:28:51.760 think they're overly exciting. The mainly white little bit of color, 0:28:52.440 --> 0:28:55.120 the color changes for the different options on the sleeve. 0:28:55.680 --> 0:28:57.760 One of them is a bit of a Harlequin type 0:28:57.800 --> 0:29:03.240 style with different colored square diagonally on the jersey. But 0:29:03.360 --> 0:29:06.000 they're out there. So to say Rugby Astralia hasn't released them, 0:29:06.280 --> 0:29:10.400 it's not true. But we haven't yet seen haven't selected 0:29:10.440 --> 0:29:12.880 the jersey. That's for the first nation specific one, Peter, 0:29:13.000 --> 0:29:14.000 we haven't seen anything. 0:29:15.160 --> 0:29:17.520 You can still big a preference out of those four, right? Yeah? 0:29:17.640 --> 0:29:19.040 And is that how they're picking the winner? 0:29:19.160 --> 0:29:21.480 Like whoever? Because that's what we want. Do you have 0:29:21.520 --> 0:29:25.000 a preference because well, I wasn't aware that you're an 0:29:25.000 --> 0:29:28.760 international fashion designer. What I want to know? You've got one. 0:29:31.080 --> 0:29:32.400 I'll go the Harlequins one. 0:29:33.920 --> 0:29:34.440 Old school. 0:29:34.600 --> 0:29:35.440 That's my choice. 0:29:36.000 --> 0:29:38.040 Politics now my. 0:29:38.240 --> 0:29:42.280 Choice answer question the lines, So the Australia and Z 0:29:42.880 --> 0:29:45.440 I always want to call it the Anzac tim Horn. 0:29:45.720 --> 0:29:46.360 You'll not let it go. 0:29:47.680 --> 0:29:47.960 It is. 0:29:49.520 --> 0:29:53.280 You get right attached to the Yeah, there's official approvals 0:29:53.400 --> 0:29:54.200 and all the rest of it. 0:29:56.000 --> 0:29:58.000 That is going to be released in mid June. Apparently. 0:29:58.040 --> 0:30:00.640 I've been knocking on Rugby Austra's door trying to get 0:30:00.680 --> 0:30:02.640 a look at it for a while and they've got it. 0:30:02.720 --> 0:30:03.760 They've kind of made them up. 0:30:03.760 --> 0:30:05.600 But there's going to want to get some from my kids. 0:30:05.680 --> 0:30:08.440 I'll tell you what that And every time when are 0:30:08.480 --> 0:30:11.880 they going to announce the team? That feels a team 0:30:11.920 --> 0:30:14.560 of about three hundred players? Every time I open an 0:30:14.680 --> 0:30:16.640 article as a new player that's put his hand up 0:30:16.680 --> 0:30:18.120 to play, Sonny. 0:30:17.800 --> 0:30:21.240 Bill is coming back. He is his playing quite Cooper. 0:30:21.240 --> 0:30:23.520 Sonny Bill is going to play game four days before 0:30:23.560 --> 0:30:24.400 he fights Paul Game. 0:30:24.520 --> 0:30:30.960 Yeah, I mean James, you just said James j Connor. 0:30:31.160 --> 0:30:32.000 You said James Hooper. 0:30:32.120 --> 0:30:34.600 No I didn't. I mean everyone's played. 0:30:36.560 --> 0:30:37.200 Around this team. 0:30:37.400 --> 0:30:40.440 I mean is it players that have retired? Is it 0:30:40.480 --> 0:30:41.920 players that are currently playing? Like? 0:30:42.240 --> 0:30:42.560 What's that? 0:30:42.920 --> 0:30:45.680 So it started out with a bit of speculation on 0:30:46.080 --> 0:30:48.400 our behalf about what this team would look like. They 0:30:48.480 --> 0:30:51.600 have resolved to make it for the Australian components, buying 0:30:51.760 --> 0:30:53.320 large blokes who. 0:30:53.160 --> 0:30:55.400 Are already here, so that we're pulling them out of Wallaby. 0:30:55.160 --> 0:30:58.240 Squads up from Sober so it is it an Australia 0:30:58.320 --> 0:31:01.120 rad by default because the Lions DoD worn an Australia game. 0:31:01.480 --> 0:31:04.560 There is also Keyweed blokes, but because. 0:31:04.360 --> 0:31:06.760 New Zealand are playing France at the same time and 0:31:06.880 --> 0:31:09.440 I think the Mario or Black are playing at the 0:31:09.480 --> 0:31:12.600 same time, so there's there is some chat about some 0:31:12.720 --> 0:31:16.160 Keyweed guys coming across, but mostly they're fellas from New Zealand, 0:31:16.280 --> 0:31:19.320 so they're working through that at the moment. The names 0:31:19.360 --> 0:31:21.960 I've heard that they're trying to get over the line 0:31:22.000 --> 0:31:26.520 as far as insurance is Moanga, which is highest played 0:31:26.560 --> 0:31:31.520 player in the world, Shannon Frazelle, Sewan Stevenson, and TJ. 0:31:31.680 --> 0:31:32.800 Perrenara. I think. 0:31:34.440 --> 0:31:37.280 Where they this goes to that point about the squad 0:31:37.360 --> 0:31:41.320 is obviously they can't name the team until Joe kind 0:31:41.360 --> 0:31:44.240 of figures out who he wants for the test team 0:31:44.280 --> 0:31:46.880 and who's going to release and stuff. But you're talking 0:31:47.000 --> 0:31:49.600 like a week before the game, so that doesn't do 0:31:49.800 --> 0:31:51.840 much as far as like trying to promote it. We're 0:31:51.880 --> 0:31:55.080 trying to get a sense. So brings us right back 0:31:55.120 --> 0:31:57.640 to show was it show one the bloke who should 0:31:57.680 --> 0:32:00.360 have been co hosting this, Mike Hoopo. 0:32:00.480 --> 0:32:00.960 We've kind of. 0:32:01.360 --> 0:32:03.240 Raised that he would be a great guy to be 0:32:03.360 --> 0:32:08.520 involved in this. I think that there they either have 0:32:08.600 --> 0:32:10.800 approached him or they're going to approach him to do that. 0:32:10.920 --> 0:32:13.920 He's just finished up in Japan. Perfect guy to put 0:32:13.960 --> 0:32:16.160 on the poster, right and to go down to Adelaide. 0:32:16.520 --> 0:32:18.520 Do the local radio just start. I mean, this is 0:32:18.560 --> 0:32:20.880 what rug Bistre should be doing. They should be naming 0:32:21.440 --> 0:32:24.800 six seven guys as you kind of your marquee stars, 0:32:24.800 --> 0:32:25.960 and then fill the rest of. 0:32:25.960 --> 0:32:27.760 These your ambassadors players. 0:32:28.480 --> 0:32:30.160 So you've got your key with you guys, a couple 0:32:30.200 --> 0:32:33.040 of assies like Hoops and I don't know, let's let's 0:32:33.400 --> 0:32:35.560 ring up Samu and say, look at the moment, we 0:32:35.640 --> 0:32:38.280 don't have you in the Wallaby squad, but we want 0:32:38.320 --> 0:32:40.080 you in this team. We want you in the country 0:32:40.080 --> 0:32:43.880 at the time. You mean Peter Pete, Samu or no good, 0:32:43.960 --> 0:32:44.640 just someone like that. 0:32:44.720 --> 0:32:45.320 That's a hype of thing. 0:32:45.440 --> 0:32:45.760 I just want. 0:32:46.520 --> 0:32:49.920 I just think that we need to be starting to 0:32:50.000 --> 0:32:51.040 get the ball rolling on this. 0:32:51.240 --> 0:32:54.680 And do you think there's there's there's there's twenty thousand 0:32:54.720 --> 0:32:57.280 people waiting to hear a name, and so britge Ice 0:32:57.320 --> 0:32:59.400 lines are coming to Adelaide the concept and they know 0:32:59.520 --> 0:33:01.120 that it's going to be a market team. It has 0:33:01.160 --> 0:33:03.600 to be a market team with relevant I don't think it, 0:33:04.840 --> 0:33:08.320 but it can't hurt. So then you look at you 0:33:08.400 --> 0:33:11.360 look at the intent of that game. Originally is to 0:33:11.480 --> 0:33:14.080 have an opportunity for the players who are not ring 0:33:14.200 --> 0:33:17.720 fenced and just out of test contention to play in 0:33:17.840 --> 0:33:20.320 an Australian jersey. And then the New Zealand thing got 0:33:20.440 --> 0:33:22.800 promoted and so then all of a sudden it was agreed. 0:33:23.280 --> 0:33:25.880 But that's what the original intent is. There is a 0:33:25.960 --> 0:33:29.000 developmental tool and also possibly a player retention tool as 0:33:29.040 --> 0:33:31.320 well to INCENTIVI as a player who's maybe or maybe 0:33:31.400 --> 0:33:34.920 not deciding to extend a contract or what is this 0:33:35.080 --> 0:33:37.320 thing called Australian rugby and wallaby is? How much do 0:33:37.360 --> 0:33:39.920 they believe in me? So when you when you start 0:33:39.960 --> 0:33:43.040 picking players that have gone offshore are already done. It's 0:33:43.040 --> 0:33:47.880 an invitational side, Google in the side. So we're inviting 0:33:48.120 --> 0:33:50.120 we're inviting New Zealand guys to come. 0:33:50.200 --> 0:33:50.520 We have to. 0:33:50.880 --> 0:33:52.320 We have to because that's the model. 0:33:52.320 --> 0:33:52.560 I think. 0:33:53.040 --> 0:33:55.520 I think a balance needs to be found between this 0:33:55.680 --> 0:33:57.640 being a development tool, and. 0:33:57.760 --> 0:34:01.680 It's a development tool well player returns look as Rory Scott. 0:34:01.440 --> 0:34:03.800 I understand, but you also I think that car. 0:34:05.880 --> 0:34:08.280 It can't hurt to have a couple of marquee names 0:34:09.200 --> 0:34:11.480 to help promote it to Yeah, I think you can't 0:34:11.640 --> 0:34:14.000 run away from the idea that there's a festival aspect 0:34:14.080 --> 0:34:16.680 to this because that's what people want to see. 0:34:16.760 --> 0:34:18.040 The first aspect of every game. 0:34:18.200 --> 0:34:19.680 Yeah, I understand, everyone understand. 0:34:21.120 --> 0:34:25.760 We also can't We also can't wait until the twelfth 0:34:25.760 --> 0:34:26.880 of July before. 0:34:26.680 --> 0:34:27.640 We know what the team is. 0:34:28.239 --> 0:34:30.160 I think that's one thing that fans and there's been 0:34:30.200 --> 0:34:32.799 a lot of people asking, like d Q, when are 0:34:32.800 --> 0:34:34.120 they going to name it? I think there is an 0:34:34.160 --> 0:34:36.239 element that you touched on the pay that people don't 0:34:36.280 --> 0:34:40.080 realize that this will likely include players that get left 0:34:40.120 --> 0:34:43.000 out of the Wallaby squad. So he can't start making 0:34:43.040 --> 0:34:45.480 those announcements now because then you're going. 0:34:45.320 --> 0:34:46.920 On what's more use it strategically. 0:34:47.080 --> 0:34:49.080 If Marika cole Bred is not going to be picked 0:34:49.120 --> 0:34:52.759 in the in the Wallaby squad for whatever reason, how 0:34:52.800 --> 0:34:55.320 good would it be for him for for young Wallaby's 0:34:55.320 --> 0:34:56.760 wingers to spend a week with Marika? 0:34:56.800 --> 0:34:57.239 You know what I mean? 0:34:57.320 --> 0:34:58.880 Like there is a chance for them not to just 0:34:58.960 --> 0:35:01.400 learn from Richie Mohanga, but learn from Michael Hooper and 0:35:01.560 --> 0:35:03.920 learn from you just to spend a week in their company. 0:35:04.000 --> 0:35:06.120 It doesn't have to be it doesn't have to be 0:35:06.320 --> 0:35:08.719 three quarters of the team, but it certainly can't have 0:35:08.840 --> 0:35:09.920 three or four blocks. 0:35:09.760 --> 0:35:12.440 Of those names that you you mentioned that are being 0:35:12.560 --> 0:35:15.960 worked on, like working through things like insurance. Yeah, are 0:35:16.000 --> 0:35:18.960 we expecting those confirmation confirmations? 0:35:19.239 --> 0:35:20.520 They say they're getting closer on that. 0:35:20.640 --> 0:35:22.040 I mean, I don't know the first thing about that, 0:35:22.160 --> 0:35:25.239 but you Richie and two point two million a year 0:35:25.360 --> 0:35:27.719 or something crazy like that. So to ensure him just 0:35:27.800 --> 0:35:31.000 for a week would not be a simple exercise, I'm sure, 0:35:31.400 --> 0:35:34.520 but general, yeah, they're getting they say they're getting closer. 0:35:34.320 --> 0:35:36.360 That on some of the names you mentioned. I know, 0:35:36.480 --> 0:35:38.960 you goog, you were just spitballing, like talking about that 0:35:39.000 --> 0:35:43.799 player retention model using this as something like that if 0:35:43.880 --> 0:35:46.080 you look at someone like a Rory Scott or Luke 0:35:46.160 --> 0:35:48.719 Rahman at the Brumbies play only three days before that 0:35:48.800 --> 0:35:50.080 against the lines in it's. 0:35:49.960 --> 0:35:54.400 Interesting under okay that position, Maybe we were narrowing in 0:35:54.480 --> 0:35:57.840 on that but also incentivizing and rewarding you know, players 0:35:57.880 --> 0:36:01.600 that have had outstanding super Over Pacivics seasons get had. 0:36:01.960 --> 0:36:04.680 We've all we're all waxing lyrical about super Oba Pacific 0:36:04.719 --> 0:36:06.640 this year. How good it's been, our compelling it's been, 0:36:06.680 --> 0:36:09.520 the integrity of it, the intensity of it, the skill execution. 0:36:11.239 --> 0:36:15.520 You know, those players will hopefully be rewarded with a 0:36:15.640 --> 0:36:18.600 starting position against British ice lines for their province or 0:36:19.080 --> 0:36:22.520 one better and au n Z to parents as well, 0:36:22.640 --> 0:36:24.160 so that that would be lovely to see. 0:36:24.520 --> 0:36:24.680 You know. 0:36:24.719 --> 0:36:27.400 I wonder if we could start maybe examining some of 0:36:27.480 --> 0:36:30.640 those top performers of Superbia Pacific and start fighting those 0:36:30.719 --> 0:36:32.600 names and build. I think most people are interested in 0:36:32.640 --> 0:36:36.560 the New Zealand component. Quite frankly, I think Australia. Australian 0:36:36.640 --> 0:36:40.600 fans aren't too anxious about who's the Australian top player 0:36:40.680 --> 0:36:43.400 that's going to be named so that I can press push, 0:36:44.200 --> 0:36:46.520 you know, QF one down Adelaide or not. I think 0:36:46.560 --> 0:36:49.880 they're most interested in that New Zealand concept because of 0:36:49.920 --> 0:36:53.360 the au n Z compartment. Mister a game in britge 0:36:53.400 --> 0:36:56.319 ice Line series in twos and one, there wasn't much 0:36:56.400 --> 0:36:58.360 interest around who was playing and just they knew they 0:36:58.400 --> 0:37:00.279 were playing in Gosford and we're getting along and not 0:37:00.680 --> 0:37:02.719 miss out on watching a six hundred cap test team. 0:37:02.760 --> 0:37:05.000 Right, Yeah, but there won't be anything. Yeah, but Wallaby's 0:37:05.000 --> 0:37:08.439 played in that, didn't They like guys who no one. 0:37:08.400 --> 0:37:10.960 Knew who was going to play that until they were released. 0:37:10.960 --> 0:37:13.239 We've got a more ring fenced environment, so you're not 0:37:13.320 --> 0:37:16.840 going to see well, it's going to be choice, so 0:37:16.960 --> 0:37:18.880 you're going to be seeing in the Wallaby squad. 0:37:19.000 --> 0:37:21.560 Well that's it. That's just to see us sit down 0:37:21.600 --> 0:37:25.359 with mister Joe Smitt and say, listen, there's there's there's 0:37:25.440 --> 0:37:28.880 more things at stake here than just you know, this 0:37:29.040 --> 0:37:31.439 small window of ring fencing and controlling as many people. 0:37:31.520 --> 0:37:33.520 You do need to release some of your bench players. 0:37:33.560 --> 0:37:35.480 You need to release something. I mean, is that a conversation? 0:37:35.640 --> 0:37:38.319 Well they will, I mean they'll, yeah, they'll, they'll. 0:37:39.239 --> 0:37:41.320 I think he's talked about ring fencing twenty three or 0:37:41.360 --> 0:37:43.839 twenty four, and then you're going to run a squad 0:37:43.880 --> 0:37:46.760 of thirty six, so there'll be you know, ten thirteen 0:37:46.840 --> 0:37:47.800 guys leaving. 0:37:48.440 --> 0:37:50.480 But do you reckon all of them are going to 0:37:50.520 --> 0:37:52.000 play in that game? Do you think? Well? 0:37:52.120 --> 0:37:55.280 The interesting part is it is the seven days before 0:37:55.800 --> 0:37:57.880 the first test, the first test, so you know if 0:37:57.920 --> 0:38:01.640 they want them on the samekind. 0:38:00.160 --> 0:38:03.919 Of well, we are going around the circles a little 0:38:03.920 --> 0:38:06.640 bit because it's just a debatable topic. But d Q 0:38:07.200 --> 0:38:10.240 mentioned that the first nation specifica jersey's kind of already 0:38:10.320 --> 0:38:12.279 out there. The oz and Zen jersey been coming out 0:38:12.600 --> 0:38:16.279 June and we've said what we could say about the 0:38:16.320 --> 0:38:17.000 squad lists. 0:38:17.600 --> 0:38:18.680 You love the Harlequins one. 0:38:18.800 --> 0:38:20.880 Yeah, well that's my pick. I hope that has an 0:38:20.880 --> 0:38:23.120 influence anyone. I haven't. 0:38:24.120 --> 0:38:25.600 I should I want to vote. 0:38:26.440 --> 0:38:28.920 Vot you don't get to what were your Harlequines jersey? 0:38:29.000 --> 0:38:30.920 Yeah, there you go. I want to move on to 0:38:31.000 --> 0:38:33.680 another question because considering the British and Irish lines are 0:38:33.760 --> 0:38:36.600 coming our way, this is a fascinating question from Michael Kuzmich, 0:38:37.480 --> 0:38:40.880 big fan of Insideline Hey Fellers. Has Sansa ever considered 0:38:40.960 --> 0:38:43.239 doing their own version of the British and Irish Lines 0:38:43.280 --> 0:38:46.800 tour lift so then we can create the Sansar Tigers. 0:38:46.880 --> 0:38:50.040 I'm not sold on the name personally selected from OZ 0:38:50.600 --> 0:38:55.200 and Z, South Africa and Argentina tour would run during 0:38:56.000 --> 0:38:58.520 Michael saying the tour would run during the spring season 0:38:58.600 --> 0:39:00.399 or after Christmas New Year. I'm not so sure about 0:39:00.400 --> 0:39:02.080 the timing, but just in terms of doing like a 0:39:02.600 --> 0:39:06.400 Southern Hemisphere style British and iceh Lions team, has it 0:39:06.520 --> 0:39:07.320 ever been discussed? 0:39:07.360 --> 0:39:12.520 Cook It's been discussed, probably to the same extent that 0:39:12.760 --> 0:39:16.160 World Club Challenge has been been discussed and then and 0:39:16.280 --> 0:39:19.680 then I think it's just it's there's a lot obviously 0:39:19.719 --> 0:39:21.720 a lot of governance structures and a lot of existing 0:39:21.800 --> 0:39:24.680 frameworks that need to be agreed to. But I think 0:39:24.719 --> 0:39:26.799 it's just been discussed. I don't think it's really been 0:39:26.880 --> 0:39:30.080 modeled to the to the level that it would need 0:39:30.200 --> 0:39:33.360 to to be able to get it off the ground conceptually, 0:39:33.440 --> 0:39:35.880 from a concept to a structure to this is how 0:39:35.920 --> 0:39:38.480 it's going to work. It'd be great, though, would I mean? 0:39:42.480 --> 0:39:45.360 And I know I'm on a rugby show, but today's 0:39:45.400 --> 0:39:48.839 state of origin in rugby league. Every single rugby league 0:39:48.880 --> 0:39:53.320 fan is invested in tonight's game when. 0:39:53.360 --> 0:39:55.640 Australia play, Well, that's because they're a fan. Yeah, yeah, 0:39:55.640 --> 0:39:55.960 they're right. 0:39:56.000 --> 0:39:58.680 But when Australia played New Zealand, Southern fans there might 0:39:58.760 --> 0:40:01.560 be some interest, but there's they're not They're not invested 0:40:02.200 --> 0:40:04.200 and that's what makes that of origin so especially you've 0:40:04.200 --> 0:40:06.360 got the best players in the world coming together to 0:40:06.440 --> 0:40:07.640 have the game their life in a night. 0:40:08.120 --> 0:40:11.600 If you had the British rs in Western Australian Victoria, 0:40:11.680 --> 0:40:12.320 they don't really. 0:40:12.800 --> 0:40:14.480 Well they'll pick a side. 0:40:15.800 --> 0:40:23.320 Queensland, but yeah, but this could be this could be it. 0:40:23.920 --> 0:40:27.040 Like you think about that, like every single rugby rugby 0:40:27.080 --> 0:40:29.600 fan on the planet have a vested interest in a 0:40:29.680 --> 0:40:33.160 team that's playing on that night, and it could it 0:40:33.239 --> 0:40:36.839 could blow the roof off the biggest thing rugby's ever done. 0:40:37.400 --> 0:40:40.160 But they've got to get it through the conceptual phase 0:40:40.280 --> 0:40:42.200 and all the argument. The snouts in the troughh that 0:40:42.239 --> 0:40:44.520 have got to back away and to let it happen. 0:40:45.040 --> 0:40:47.759 Well, knowing our mates over the ditch, like they'd never 0:40:47.840 --> 0:40:51.080 say yes to it, but like would they tour, would 0:40:51.080 --> 0:40:52.840 they play in France? And like it would be on 0:40:52.920 --> 0:40:56.200 a twelve year cycle or there? 0:40:56.239 --> 0:40:57.560 I mean, they're all the questions. 0:40:58.440 --> 0:41:02.080 The British ice lines concept is an amazing concept. It's 0:41:02.080 --> 0:41:05.120 an intoxicating example of how the world of rugby can 0:41:05.160 --> 0:41:07.239 come together for a short amount of time and put 0:41:07.280 --> 0:41:12.400 aside international rivalry. But the most compelling argument for the 0:41:12.440 --> 0:41:15.520 British and irice lines existence is the commerciality of it. Yea, 0:41:16.120 --> 0:41:18.480 austral And Rugby is going to survive on the back 0:41:18.520 --> 0:41:20.920 of the British and ice lines to a dounceouth. Now, 0:41:21.000 --> 0:41:23.759 if the Southern Hemisphere can put a model together that 0:41:23.920 --> 0:41:26.080 of course represents the best of the best, and we 0:41:26.239 --> 0:41:28.839 know that we'll win probably more times than we'll lose 0:41:28.880 --> 0:41:30.640 when we put that team together. That is going to 0:41:30.680 --> 0:41:33.560 be an amazing group of people and athletes. It's the 0:41:33.640 --> 0:41:37.680 commercial discussion because we know that commerciality will make you 0:41:37.800 --> 0:41:40.920 move things and timings of competition and welcome challenge. How 0:41:40.960 --> 0:41:43.160 much is going to pass and World Cup? You guys 0:41:43.200 --> 0:41:45.120 are going to have less tests this year because it's 0:41:45.160 --> 0:41:47.640 a World Cup year, No problem. It's worth this much money. 0:41:48.000 --> 0:41:49.080 That's that's the answer. 0:41:49.080 --> 0:41:50.600 It takes a huge pile of money. 0:41:51.320 --> 0:41:55.319 Yeah, we know the pile kind of because British ice 0:41:55.400 --> 0:41:58.240 Lines is the pile. So we've actually got the model, 0:41:58.480 --> 0:42:01.279 we've got the numbers, we just need people to go. 0:42:01.480 --> 0:42:05.719 Here's my pen I reckon if you put it on 0:42:06.000 --> 0:42:09.440 during the spring tour, as in instead of all those 0:42:09.440 --> 0:42:14.600 individual nations going, you find a window that point and 0:42:14.680 --> 0:42:17.160 then and you don't just play the four home nations. 0:42:17.520 --> 0:42:18.600 You include France in it. 0:42:18.880 --> 0:42:21.640 What about this one shot one kill the Lions and 0:42:22.160 --> 0:42:23.920 the Tigers. I don't want to call. 0:42:23.760 --> 0:42:29.640 Its versus the the anzacsafas. 0:42:30.640 --> 0:42:31.960 A week after the World Cup. 0:42:31.840 --> 0:42:35.040 Final every four years, they if money makes a world 0:42:35.080 --> 0:42:36.960 go round, pay every single person to be fair. 0:42:37.040 --> 0:42:38.920 The semi finals of the World Cup are usually the 0:42:38.960 --> 0:42:40.680 Southern Hemisphere teams anyway. 0:42:41.160 --> 0:42:43.520 But at least there's like it finishes, you might you 0:42:43.640 --> 0:42:44.239 might find a. 0:42:53.719 --> 0:42:56.480 Solution. It needs to be, which is why the World 0:42:56.480 --> 0:42:58.480 Cup Challenge. It needs to have literally in just a 0:42:58.560 --> 0:43:00.520 one v two shootout, and then is really going to 0:43:00.560 --> 0:43:04.000 pay enough money to make that worthwhile and have longevity. 0:43:04.760 --> 0:43:07.279 Those lines have survived because of the emotion and the 0:43:07.480 --> 0:43:10.120 history and the you know, it's been tied into all 0:43:10.200 --> 0:43:12.719 sorts of different themes and then now it's got this 0:43:12.800 --> 0:43:17.120 thing in the world of professionalism, commerciality and sustainability so 0:43:17.360 --> 0:43:18.560 important to marry. 0:43:18.320 --> 0:43:20.480 That and am I and am I going to be 0:43:20.520 --> 0:43:23.399 the one to point out that how many players will 0:43:23.400 --> 0:43:23.840 we get in. 0:43:24.440 --> 0:43:29.320 The team some years smaller than in the line squad. 0:43:29.400 --> 0:43:30.360 Yeah, we'll always get a. 0:43:30.360 --> 0:43:31.759 Couple might be us in the short term. 0:43:31.840 --> 0:43:34.120 But you know, as time games, that'd be huge too, right. 0:43:34.160 --> 0:43:35.800 How do you set up selection critia? How do you 0:43:35.840 --> 0:43:38.319 set up set up the panel who's got the final say? 0:43:38.480 --> 0:43:40.719 I just love the thought of it, I really do. 0:43:41.200 --> 0:43:45.160 I just I couldn't imagine, like like anyone not being 0:43:45.280 --> 0:43:48.880 so invested in that. And when you've got the punters 0:43:48.960 --> 0:43:51.160 invested that they're the ones that bring the dollars to 0:43:51.239 --> 0:43:53.320 the table, you know, then all of a sudden the 0:43:53.360 --> 0:43:56.560 sponsors come on board, you know, the the excitement for 0:43:56.640 --> 0:43:59.800 the game. I just think it could be rugby unions 0:44:00.719 --> 0:44:02.520 to compete with other things that they're competing. 0:44:02.600 --> 0:44:04.200 I actually think this is a better idea than the 0:44:04.239 --> 0:44:04.959 World Club. 0:44:06.040 --> 0:44:09.920 It would be the longest undefeated group of athletes team, 0:44:11.320 --> 0:44:16.560 do you think. I don't think they'd ever maybe not go, 0:44:17.200 --> 0:44:20.319 but I don't reckon they'd lose this series until again. 0:44:20.760 --> 0:44:23.439 But that's the intrigue about it, right, that's hard to believe. 0:44:23.760 --> 0:44:25.520 How do we know, let's see it and then you 0:44:25.640 --> 0:44:28.120 see it and I've got this Southern hemon. 0:44:28.640 --> 0:44:33.560 Just don't start this argument because when these arguments get their. 0:44:33.520 --> 0:44:37.120 Time, the Northern hemisphere then go. We can't have these things. 0:44:39.800 --> 0:44:40.640 Just made it to be. 0:44:40.640 --> 0:44:45.480 Amazing, and that was how State of Origin started New 0:44:45.560 --> 0:44:49.080 South Wales Queens and got sick of kicking their ast. 0:44:49.239 --> 0:44:51.279 No, but it's not to play against the British ice lines. 0:44:51.320 --> 0:44:56.640 Let's get this right. Yeah, you're going on tours and 0:44:56.760 --> 0:45:01.440 you're handing it to the others. Or maybe the individual 0:45:01.520 --> 0:45:02.719 unions up there are strong enough. 0:45:02.800 --> 0:45:03.759 What's intriguing the. 0:45:05.680 --> 0:45:10.000 Debate From a place perspective, you listen to James all 0:45:10.040 --> 0:45:12.480 Will talk about how his eyes were opened about how 0:45:12.560 --> 0:45:15.759 much playing for the Lions meant to the guys he 0:45:15.880 --> 0:45:17.800 was playing with, like it was like playing for your country, 0:45:18.400 --> 0:45:20.799 being selected for the Lions and being a test line, 0:45:20.840 --> 0:45:23.439 and like being a test line was top of the tree. 0:45:23.520 --> 0:45:26.800 So be really interesting from apecive from a place perspective 0:45:26.800 --> 0:45:29.120 about that was which being able to represence, which. 0:45:28.960 --> 0:45:32.520 Also ties into possibly play retention right, because that could 0:45:32.560 --> 0:45:34.840 be a selection policy thing where you have to be 0:45:34.960 --> 0:45:38.080 playing for the country in the country at the time 0:45:38.719 --> 0:45:39.359 you can't pick. 0:45:40.560 --> 0:45:42.160 You know, we've solved a lot of problems. 0:45:42.239 --> 0:45:45.279 That could be a thing. I'm going to stick around 0:45:45.320 --> 0:45:46.200 because I want to play. 0:45:46.120 --> 0:45:50.759 For the positive. The profit here has become luck excited, I. 0:45:50.840 --> 0:45:54.080 Reckon it's your infectious attitude. You are the greatest supporter 0:45:54.160 --> 0:45:55.479 of any idea, great idea. 0:45:55.960 --> 0:46:02.160 Let's go, let's make it happen. Yeah, something says money on. 0:46:02.200 --> 0:46:05.600 The tape very quickly. I'm putting you on the spot here. 0:46:05.680 --> 0:46:08.680 But of the current Wallabies for this compont side was 0:46:08.719 --> 0:46:11.680 picked right now, of the cur who would would make the. 0:46:11.680 --> 0:46:12.640 Team know where you live? 0:46:13.080 --> 0:46:17.960 Fraser Fraser right, yea Yepeus, I can see Tom Line 0:46:18.000 --> 0:46:19.160 are playing in it at some point. 0:46:19.400 --> 0:46:21.200 I love Tom n You can't do that. 0:46:21.920 --> 0:46:22.960 Let it out right now? 0:46:23.440 --> 0:46:26.200 Yeah yeah right yeah then maybe. 0:46:26.080 --> 0:46:32.839 Yeah, picked Bobby Bobby, Bobby, Yeah, Angus Bell Yeah. 0:46:33.040 --> 0:46:36.319 Eventually essentially there's five or six. 0:46:36.440 --> 0:46:40.960 Yeah, big squad, good chat, big squad. We can continue 0:46:41.000 --> 0:46:43.320 this over a beer, I reckon. That's the insideline for 0:46:43.400 --> 0:46:44.600 this week. Thanks gentlemen. 0:46:45.960 --> 0:46:46.400 I love it.