Speaker 1: Insideline back for another week. Justin Harrison, Matt, Rogersy and
Speaker 1: Peyton in the house just quickly, big big day for Queensland,
Speaker 1: New South Wales. Obviously that other code sate of Origent.
Speaker 1: Good well done on wearing a little tinge of our
Speaker 1: own today.
Speaker 2: Well I knew that my little boyfriend was coming on,
Speaker 2: so I want to give him a stomach to cry on.
Speaker 2: I can't say shot it because he comes up at it.
Speaker 3: I did not know.
Speaker 1: I did not know you were such a proud Queenslander.
Speaker 1: You have warmed my heart today. But let's talk some
Speaker 1: big news in the world of rugby and a story
Speaker 1: written by our VERIONI and Peyton which is out today.
Speaker 1: That Golden Point or super Point as we know it
Speaker 1: in Super Rugby Pacific is being looked at as a
Speaker 1: possibility of being included in the British and Irish Lines
Speaker 1: tour Australia this year.
Speaker 4: Well, it surprised me that it's actually taken this long
Speaker 4: to kind of come up really, So obviously the twenty
Speaker 4: seventeen series was a drawer, and you know the captains
Speaker 4: were there both looking a bit po faced and the.
Speaker 3: Sharing the series.
Speaker 4: So I mean it was just a matter of asking
Speaker 4: whether you know whether golden point would be employed for
Speaker 4: this year series got onto field Wall yesterday said yes,
Speaker 4: they've had conversations with the lines about and making sure
Speaker 4: that there's a chance for a winner to be found obviously.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 4: It's they've put that forward to the to the Lions,
Speaker 4: waiting on an answer back.
Speaker 3: Essentially, it would be for all three tests.
Speaker 4: It's kind of been it's been read into that it
Speaker 4: was just the third test, so it would be for
Speaker 4: all three tests. I think the model around the Super
Speaker 4: Rugby one, which is a period of ten minutes and
Speaker 4: then if there's no result, it's a draw.
Speaker 1: I think first point score any in any.
Speaker 4: And I know you've got thoughts about that, but essentially,
Speaker 4: I guess you don't want to game the first test
Speaker 4: going for one hundred and twenty minutes, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, so with another two tests to play, so
Speaker 4: that's to be a cut off point at sometimes maybe.
Speaker 2: The third I want to go.
Speaker 4: The third test, the third test you just play for
Speaker 4: three days if you need, until you find a winner.
Speaker 4: I think it's common sense, isn't it, Like we're in
Speaker 4: the modern sporting games.
Speaker 5: But the fact that they were talking about just having
Speaker 5: it for the game three. What if they draw the
Speaker 5: first game, British and Irish lines win the second, and
Speaker 5: then Australia win the third in golden point.
Speaker 4: Like no, no, it's not sorry. Lack of communication now
Speaker 4: on my part is not just for it.
Speaker 3: It'd be for all three, so you would have a
Speaker 3: winner for each, which would makes.
Speaker 2: Sense to the winners. Ask every losing team in a
Speaker 2: super point scenario where they agree with it after having
Speaker 2: lost the jeopardy of that is not insignificant a big
Speaker 2: series like that to be decided on a golden on
Speaker 2: a super point.
Speaker 5: Or is that like instantly golden point or super point
Speaker 5: whatever they're calling it.
Speaker 1: You mean if you kick a penalty, Yeah, instantly.
Speaker 4: They're not having extra time first, they don't do that
Speaker 4: these days. Well certainly what are they doing in the
Speaker 4: world In the World Cup? They do do still an
Speaker 4: extra period of like.
Speaker 6: Five each way and then go into golden point.
Speaker 1: I would probably prefer that, like have an extra time.
Speaker 5: Five each way and then if you can't get it,
Speaker 5: it's like they have extra time in soccer, and then
Speaker 5: if they can't get result, let's go to penalties. I
Speaker 5: think then you can win the game under I guess
Speaker 5: game type situations. What I found in Golden Point, things
Speaker 5: get a bit all over the shop and refines they're
Speaker 5: not inclined to you know, there's people cheating though, there's
Speaker 5: people cheating throughout a whole game trying to get an advantage.
Speaker 6: But in Golden Point, you know.
Speaker 5: It gets exposed because the referee is not blowing the whistle.
Speaker 5: Things get brought up. It becomes conjecture around the game.
Speaker 5: There's controversy, controversy around the win, the loss, and it
Speaker 5: just puts a bad spin on the game. I think
Speaker 5: they need extra time first before they get a Golden Point.
Speaker 1: Do you think with a series of this magnitude it
Speaker 1: kind of have to have a winner at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, justin.
Speaker 2: But the idea of a horn match and not having
Speaker 2: not a Grand Five of a World Cup, those sorts
Speaker 2: of things. Series games a series three games series. Sometimes
Speaker 2: there is merit in a drawn series because of the
Speaker 2: notion of the three games. It's such a close contest.
Speaker 2: Both teams come away with an amount of integrity but
Speaker 2: also validity in their performance.
Speaker 5: So the people that hold the shield.
Speaker 2: The commerciality of from twelve, the commerciality of being the
Speaker 2: British and Ice Lions champion as opposed to I.
Speaker 4: Just don't I mean, I take the point, but I
Speaker 4: just don't see why we're squeamish about fronting a winner.
Speaker 3: You play eighty minutes.
Speaker 2: Losing, right, so I guess, you know, be a champion
Speaker 2: or not.
Speaker 3: There are some hairs on it, like to your point.
Speaker 4: And yours right that referees arm could decide the series
Speaker 4: like he spots them. So yeah, there might be some
Speaker 4: there might be some fanangling around that, but I don't know.
Speaker 4: I just don't say it because it's already coming out now,
Speaker 4: Like there's there's a lot of people who are just
Speaker 4: habitually kind of conservative in the North, people from we
Speaker 4: don't want to you know, why can't we just have
Speaker 4: a drawn series. I heard someone say you don't always
Speaker 4: have to have a winner, and it's like, what are
Speaker 4: we playing here for?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: Look, I think I think extra I think World Cup model.
Speaker 2: It's fine, extra time and frequent.
Speaker 4: I know that at the risk of bringing up some
Speaker 4: painful memories that two thousand and three World Cup. Obviously
Speaker 4: it was getting to a point where like Johnny almost
Speaker 4: did as a favor in in resolving it right, because
Speaker 4: otherwise we're going to another Is there another.
Speaker 1: In this could be.
Speaker 2: Less than too many?
Speaker 3: Let me let me finish.
Speaker 4: Let me finish my point because eventually, if you guys
Speaker 4: had to battle it out and you got to goal kicks, like,
Speaker 4: how how dissatisfying would that be?
Speaker 3: If you're lost in goal kicks, Regin, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean?
Speaker 2: But you losing goal kicks for a golden point. If
Speaker 2: someone kicks a penalty, yeah, that's a goal kick. So
Speaker 2: at least you've got you've got a bit of a
Speaker 2: play out there. You've got so football r you have
Speaker 2: for penalty shootouts, there's a bit of intrigue. We know
Speaker 2: there's an immediacy of feedback when you score, but there's
Speaker 2: still a red white dot scenario that gives you a
Speaker 2: chance to either accelerate skill to take that point. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I think that's probably the most exotic convenience solution. Adopt
Speaker 2: the World Cup model because, by the way, all nations
Speaker 2: that are playing in the British ice lines and Australia
Speaker 2: have already accepted that that model is acceptable in the
Speaker 2: World Cup, So why would you not accept that? For
Speaker 2: a British I need to invent something new here. This
Speaker 2: is just inheriting what's already been in practice since nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty seven.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a really good point. What's the
Speaker 1: likelihood paid? Are you getting a sense of how likely
Speaker 1: this gets approved?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: I mean obviously Rugby Australia.
Speaker 2: How would have been to see a penalty shootout in
Speaker 2: British ice lines at the end of the thing?
Speaker 1: I would I would love James Slipper astead up?
Speaker 3: Oh god, person, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I'd rather I'd rather it's resolved in a footy in
Speaker 4: a footy game.
Speaker 2: Accidental slip, accidental clean out, head high penalty, go on,
Speaker 2: have a high tackle framework. Now the fragility contest in
Speaker 2: the escort line, there's a collapse scrum.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't like the golden point or super point.
Speaker 2: I like the super point, but I think the fragility
Speaker 2: of how you can you can end the British nice
Speaker 2: line series. On the back of some interpretations now and
Speaker 2: tmos reaching in and all sorts of different things, I
Speaker 2: think that the best and first representation is multiple chances,
Speaker 2: an extra time, multiple chances in a penalty shootout. It's
Speaker 2: already in play with World Cup let's get on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's some resistance that you hinted that is it
Speaker 1: time you reckon?
Speaker 3: Look, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I just think that golden point if you're looking at
Speaker 4: from a fans perspective, like finishing it in a footy sense,
Speaker 4: rightly or wrongly, you know, if it's a penalty.
Speaker 3: Or whatever, that that's I don't. I don't know. I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't want to see props kicking goals to decide
Speaker 4: a World Cup or a line series.
Speaker 3: You know, like it just doesn't feel right.
Speaker 2: Matt Dunning knocked over a goal, losing the game against
Speaker 2: winning game. It's the most replayed, compelling piece of content
Speaker 2: we've ever seen.
Speaker 5: Yeah, compelling, the greatest movie.
Speaker 3: As far as the actual I don't know.
Speaker 4: Rugby Australia obviously put it forward, so there came for
Speaker 4: it to happen. I don't know the model about, you know,
Speaker 4: whether it'd be that super point the ten minutes and
Speaker 4: then it's a draw.
Speaker 3: Maybe this a draw is still on the table.
Speaker 4: I just like the idea that, you know, the two
Speaker 4: teams can if it's a draw at the end of
Speaker 4: eighty minutes, the two teams can keep battling until you
Speaker 4: find a winner.
Speaker 2: You know to be a revelation, why don't you ask
Speaker 2: the players, because that's how we got to super point.
Speaker 2: Players were involved in the discussion in the players because
Speaker 2: we're talking about integrity of competition and we want player
Speaker 2: attention and we want them to stick around and playing
Speaker 2: competitions and gets pass the playoffs.
Speaker 1: You think you think the Aussie side at least would
Speaker 1: support it, given that they That's how we landed on
Speaker 1: time point.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you don't know, you don't know. It's the feedback
Speaker 2: from players is wide and varied, and it's it's commensarate,
Speaker 2: it's time stamped and it's right, So you know that
Speaker 2: would be a good one.
Speaker 1: We have seen that the North and that's a very
Speaker 1: broad brush, but the North have been slow to move
Speaker 1: on some law changes but fans and the fans yet
Speaker 1: fair enough, let's do a pole. But we we have
Speaker 1: seen that they've there's slowly been an acceptance of the
Speaker 1: twenty minute red card because that PATO has been approved
Speaker 1: to be applied during the Lion series.
Speaker 4: So that the global the trial a loose track a
Speaker 4: we're up to is still in a trial stage. I
Speaker 4: think that's been extended to a Global Trial, So all
Speaker 4: competitions after August one, this is what they decided at
Speaker 4: the World Rugby meetings. All competitions will now be under
Speaker 4: the twenty minute red card. That obviously leaves that left
Speaker 4: the line series. Just prior to that, Lions and RA
Speaker 4: agreed with each other that they would also come under
Speaker 4: that troll.
Speaker 3: So yes, the twenty minute red card will be used.
Speaker 1: Can I can I throw a hypothetical at here? I've
Speaker 1: open this to everyone because that Global Trial was to
Speaker 1: start on the first of August. The third test is
Speaker 1: on the second of August. Right if the Lions organization
Speaker 1: had knocked back not agreed with Rugby Australia having twenty
Speaker 1: minute red card applied to this series, could hypothetically Rugby
Speaker 1: Australia going well for the third test.
Speaker 2: You can't.
Speaker 1: You've got no saying it. It's going to be in oh.
Speaker 5: Guess so yeah, if you're a calendar watcher, that might
Speaker 5: have been a catalyst to them agree.
Speaker 6: No, we don't. We don't want to have an egg
Speaker 6: on our faith.
Speaker 5: But that is one of the smartest moves Rugby I've
Speaker 5: ever done, and other codes need to get on board
Speaker 5: with it because the amount of people that are invested,
Speaker 5: be it fans, sponsors, organizations.
Speaker 6: It just you keep the integrity of the game.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you get punished, you're without to play for twenty minutes,
Speaker 5: but you get parody then after twenty minutes, and.
Speaker 6: You know, it's something that other codes need to look
Speaker 6: at because it's a very smart move.
Speaker 2: Well, the criticism is that the lens is applied commercially
Speaker 2: first before it's applied to changing player behavior and play
Speaker 2: welfare and diminishing the validity of a red card, so
Speaker 2: that let's have a look at that. It's not doing that.
Speaker 2: It's not diminishing the validity of a red card and
Speaker 2: promoting the possibility of having a thug who has instruction
Speaker 2: to run onto the field take the star player out
Speaker 2: with an elbow to the head in a malicious act
Speaker 2: and not be penalized for it, nor the team, nor
Speaker 2: the environment. And that's not true. Referees still have an
Speaker 2: ability to give a red card that is final, that is,
Speaker 2: the full force of the red card is still in play.
Speaker 2: We are not substituting or the game is not substituting
Speaker 2: a red card for a twenty minute diminished. Yes, that's right.
Speaker 2: So the referee still has a decision to make there.
Speaker 2: The argument is now that referees are reluctant to go
Speaker 2: to that card because they have a bit of a
Speaker 2: handbreak in the TMO Safety's own and with sort of
Speaker 2: I feel like referees need to be given some encouragement
Speaker 2: to represent themselves and accept that there's going to be
Speaker 2: mistakes made onto the analysis of a team a so
Speaker 2: red card. I think it's a great exotic solution around
Speaker 2: sanctioning a team for a period of time not diminishing
Speaker 2: the integrative of the result and the intensity of the
Speaker 2: performance for all sorts of reasons other than just commerciality
Speaker 2: safety issues. You've got the full scrum, full functioning line
Speaker 2: out malls. You've got players who are not under more
Speaker 2: fatigued than the other because they're down a man for
Speaker 2: seventy minutes instead of just fifteen. Those sorts of things
Speaker 2: come into it as well. So the twenty minute red
Speaker 2: card makes sense. You still have a player on a
Speaker 2: red card not able to come back on and face
Speaker 2: the judiciary, possibly receive further sanctions.
Speaker 1: It's as good mentioned before when I said that the
Speaker 1: North slow to adapt change sometimes includes the fans as well.
Speaker 1: There is quite a strong stance on red cards and
Speaker 1: the debate over twenty minute red card from fans of
Speaker 1: Northern Hemisphere rugby. This was approved by the World Rugby Council.
Speaker 1: How's how's it being received from you know, the rugby
Speaker 1: supporters in the North fine.
Speaker 4: I think, as you've pointed out, like they've got used
Speaker 4: to it and they've seen the merit in it. I
Speaker 4: think there's just a fear of the unknown, and it's
Speaker 4: kind of like a chicken little stuff, you know, like, oh,
Speaker 4: if you do that, then the game's going to go
Speaker 4: and it's you know, maybe by extension the golden point
Speaker 4: idea might grow on them as well, you know, like.
Speaker 2: The question for you, yeah, do you reckon it's because
Speaker 2: of the optics, because red red it's too confusing. People
Speaker 2: are having short outs.
Speaker 4: What about yeah right, yeah, well that's a good recon
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, welcome.
Speaker 2: I want to ask you to think the optics. The
Speaker 2: optics of red red hang and I'm confused. I can't
Speaker 2: follow the rules. I think it's too drop out. I
Speaker 2: don't want to know.
Speaker 3: I think it's relief that makes sense to your belief structure.
Speaker 4: Whether you still think people are trying to get away
Speaker 4: with something right like that, that there are still people
Speaker 4: who will go onto the field and try and intentionally
Speaker 4: take out the five to eight, you know, like I
Speaker 4: think that those days are gone, and you've got to
Speaker 4: accept that most red cards are the result of recklessness
Speaker 4: or an accident.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so.
Speaker 4: Therefore to blow a whole game up over, Yes, absolutely,
Speaker 4: those people need punishing, and you are trying to drive
Speaker 4: change at a training ground level where it's like, let's
Speaker 4: all get our tackle heights lower. So, but you don't
Speaker 4: need to be punished for sixty five minutes. You can
Speaker 4: be punished with twenty minutes, and then the game just.
Speaker 3: Keeps going like it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the days of someone being centered on the field
Speaker 5: to take a player out, but the game's too hard,
Speaker 5: The game's too hard to put someone in to go
Speaker 5: out and do that, to punish your team, to punish
Speaker 5: the player, the sanctions that go on beyond the game
Speaker 5: for that player.
Speaker 6: It's just not I don't see it in the game anywhere.
Speaker 2: In a game. Your teammates are indiot. You know, I
Speaker 2: would shoe blokes in my own team if they gave
Speaker 2: away a penalty the next right, Absolutely.
Speaker 1: We discussed shoeing you threatened to shoe me all the.
Speaker 2: Reason I think so much because shoeing my own teammates.
Speaker 3: You're too busy.
Speaker 1: Well, I will say this, don't give away a penalty, Okay,
Speaker 1: I will say this.
Speaker 4: And to square the circle is that the punishment has
Speaker 4: to come afterwards, right, and you've spoken about this cool
Speaker 4: is that the disciplinary part has to be where the
Speaker 4: hammer falls and we're just not necessarily seeing that with consistency, right.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised. I'll throw be devil's advocate here
Speaker 1: if there's a conspiracy from fans in the North that
Speaker 1: we've pushed for this, We being Australia, have pushed for
Speaker 1: this because we have some plan up our sleeve to
Speaker 1: to take the first five minutes or to be perfect.
Speaker 4: Honest, I think this one's just flying by without a
Speaker 4: bat at island, you know, like it's kind of the
Speaker 4: twenty minute red card got using the six nations. Six
Speaker 4: nations went fine, world didn't fall in. I think they've
Speaker 4: all moved.
Speaker 6: On from that.
Speaker 1: Well we should move on to because there's some big
Speaker 1: news in recent days that a World Club Cup has
Speaker 1: I'm going to use air quotes here been approved to
Speaker 1: take place in twenty twenty eight and will occur every
Speaker 1: four years after that. The basic details are it will
Speaker 1: include sixteen teams, eight of them from the Champions couple
Speaker 1: from the UK and Europe, seven from Super Rugby and
Speaker 1: one from Japan. But is everyone on board, Pato, like,
Speaker 1: is this actually going to happen in twenty twenty eight?
Speaker 2: Not yet.
Speaker 4: I think there's a general enthusiasm for something like this
Speaker 4: to happen.
Speaker 3: So it's been.
Speaker 4: Discussed for decades that the World Club Challenge could get
Speaker 4: off the ground. So the news over the weekend was
Speaker 4: that the EPRC, who run the Champions Cup and essentially
Speaker 4: you know it's it's over the USC the top fourteen
Speaker 4: English Premiership, they had agreed that they like it.
Speaker 3: They want to move ahead with the proposal.
Speaker 1: Agreed over proven all were good there, we're all good.
Speaker 4: So Super Rugby and uh, you know, I think there's
Speaker 4: the proposal includes a club from Japan.
Speaker 3: Need to still we have this sign off and again.
Speaker 4: Spoke to Phil war yesterday said like, the concept, you know,
Speaker 4: I could have could be drive some good commercial outcomes,
Speaker 4: but you know they've got to figure out how to
Speaker 4: fit it all in right, and.
Speaker 1: Do you that's the hard but without firstly getting into
Speaker 1: the how does it work?
Speaker 2: Stuff?
Speaker 3: Do you like that?
Speaker 6: I love it?
Speaker 3: Love it?
Speaker 1: Love? What do you love it?
Speaker 3: That was what it does.
Speaker 5: I remember we back in my league days, we had
Speaker 5: a thing called the World Club Challenge during the Super
Speaker 5: League where you know the Kronola Sharks. We toured over
Speaker 5: to the UK and we played against We played against Bradford,
Speaker 5: we played against Saint Helen's.
Speaker 6: I was a young player.
Speaker 5: I wasn't playing rep footy at the time, and that
Speaker 5: that experience for me just opened my eyes. I thought
Speaker 5: it made me a better footballer, seeing different environments, playing
Speaker 5: against different styles of play, and what it can do
Speaker 5: for young players is enormous who haven't quite made it
Speaker 5: that next step.
Speaker 6: To the representative level.
Speaker 5: Playing in a great club side opened their eyes up
Speaker 5: to the world, opened their eyes up to different types
Speaker 5: of training, different types of play, and I think it
Speaker 5: can only benefit I think on a whole. You know,
Speaker 5: you look at like the UAA Champions League. You know
Speaker 5: that the best teams in soccer getting together and playing it.
Speaker 5: It's huge, it becomes it's massive. I guess the challenge
Speaker 5: with rugby, it's so it's spread so far Apart that,
Speaker 5: just trying to find the time and how it all
Speaker 5: works and does it interfere with you know, the Rugby Championship,
Speaker 5: does an interfere with Super Rugby?
Speaker 6: How they put it all together. That's going to be
Speaker 6: the challenge.
Speaker 5: But in terms of it as a competition, I would
Speaker 5: love nothing more than to see, you know, the best
Speaker 5: Australian team up against the best English team or the
Speaker 5: best French team or you know, at a club level
Speaker 5: and to be able to finally bury the hatchet once
Speaker 5: a year of who is the best rugby maying hemisphere?
Speaker 6: Is it the North or is it the South? Of
Speaker 6: course it's the South, but we'll never.
Speaker 1: Know, isn't Isn't that what the Nations Cup is going
Speaker 1: to do? Decide that it's interesting?
Speaker 2: Is well? Rugby is trying to find windows and opportunities
Speaker 2: to create market events, to move away from novelty events,
Speaker 2: right respectfully? World Club Challenge a bit of a development model.
Speaker 2: Hey guys, do you want to get a passport? What's
Speaker 2: that thing? Let's play nur l. We'll go and understand
Speaker 2: foreign exchange and you know different what you have with
Speaker 2: with rugby is this international? And you to correct Northeast
Speaker 2: South competition. Timing the governance model making this a marquee
Speaker 2: event needs to be a competition, so that means it
Speaker 2: needs a time frame inside a year that's full to
Speaker 2: have a series of opportunities for teams to play against
Speaker 2: each other, into a finals, into a Grand Final situation,
Speaker 2: out a trophy that's worth holding. The timing of it
Speaker 2: once every four years after the World Cup, lots of
Speaker 2: Maco issues to decide, which I won't put us all
Speaker 2: to sleep with funding, who's going to fund it, how
Speaker 2: is it going to be compelling to be funded, and
Speaker 2: what level of funding of club's going to be compensated
Speaker 2: for for giving up something clearly. And giving up something
Speaker 2: clearly in Super Rugby means moving the Super Rugby season forward,
Speaker 2: probably earlier start in the year, a different type of
Speaker 2: structure for that once every four years. There's been models
Speaker 2: proposed around no finals and just round robin. There's been
Speaker 2: models proposed around shorter season, I think nine games or
Speaker 2: eight rounds and then into quarter semis finals, not as
Speaker 2: many home games for provinces. That means they're funding models down,
Speaker 2: who's compensating them and to what level. Then we've got
Speaker 2: this thing called the players being asked to get on
Speaker 2: a plane, move overseas and play already play a load,
Speaker 2: play welfare. So there are the three islands at the
Speaker 2: moment that still needs to be agreed. So when we
Speaker 2: say conceptually yes, Macro, no problem, these.
Speaker 1: Are details that need to Thanks for not putting us asleep.
Speaker 2: I'm not put your sleep, I'm away. Was that quick enough? Yeah,
Speaker 2: pretty good? I agree. I'll get their trouble for talking
Speaker 2: for too long. These are complex, right, they are right.
Speaker 1: That was unfair of me.
Speaker 2: That was unfair.
Speaker 3: That's absolutely right. Lot of mouth watering right. The idea
Speaker 3: finally we now can figure that out.
Speaker 4: But the way they're talking about it is that it
Speaker 4: would be played in June. So and finnily enough, the
Speaker 4: season's the end of our seasons actually marry up perfectly,
Speaker 4: like the English finish up at the same time as us.
Speaker 4: They just play for three or four months longer. It
Speaker 4: would be put in June, is what they're talking about.
Speaker 4: Two pools of what are we talking two pools of eight?
Speaker 4: So you're talking like three games each plus the finals.
Speaker 4: So it's a month of footy. That's still a long
Speaker 4: time to be Like for the Brumbies in the warld
Speaker 4: does to get on a plane and go to live
Speaker 4: in the UK for a month.
Speaker 3: So maybe the idea is it doesn't need to be
Speaker 3: that big, like just send your top two teams.
Speaker 1: I think, but the notion of seven teams from Super
Speaker 1: Rugby is too many. Too many? Yeah, and then even
Speaker 1: eight from the Champions Couple UK and you're just just.
Speaker 4: Send send your best two warriors into the thunder Dame
Speaker 4: and you know, Sammy's in final.
Speaker 3: Like you still figure out I'd watch the hell out
Speaker 3: of that.
Speaker 4: But so and so talking to Phil yesterday, said that
Speaker 4: the the preference would be to not contract the Super
Speaker 4: Rugby season, so you would currently if you're moving at
Speaker 4: four three weeks, you're starting in the middle of January, right,
Speaker 4: so it's.
Speaker 3: Pretty hot, which runs up against Daniel.
Speaker 4: So the Wallabies boys usually only turn up back up
Speaker 4: to work around January ten. But having said that, they
Speaker 4: would start holidays earlier because the World Cup is finishing
Speaker 4: in November the year before, so that might not be
Speaker 4: such a problem. But then you know, you've got suber
Speaker 4: Rugby has been push from pillar to post and changed
Speaker 4: a thousand times, and you know.
Speaker 1: So just a little bit. Yeah, there's one thing, yes
Speaker 1: to that point in your story that I was quite
Speaker 1: impressed with, or that I liked hearing from Key Priority
Speaker 1: that they don't suffering from a continuous change trying to
Speaker 1: keep some continuity in it, so.
Speaker 4: They would they would at most move the season, just
Speaker 4: pick it up and move it instead of like, okay,
Speaker 4: we won't play finals, we'll do first past the post
Speaker 4: or you know, like I think that that's what risk analysis.
Speaker 2: Yeah, risk and benefit existing product versus enticing concept into reality, meritocracy, meritocracy,
Speaker 2: everyone with funding requirement play, wefare workplace conditions. Do the
Speaker 2: unions agree? You know, there's lots of moving parts. It's
Speaker 2: it's it is an intoxicating concept, and players often talk about,
Speaker 2: you know, wanting to solve the issue, and I wonder
Speaker 2: we knew the consequences. I wonder if you talk about
Speaker 2: player retention right, So then contract modeling will start to
Speaker 2: look further than just the World Cup years work up
Speaker 2: to World Cup, because you'll want your strongest teams to
Speaker 2: be entering into a World Clup challenge if it's got
Speaker 2: validity and marquee status and maybe even surprise money. Who knows,
Speaker 2: you know that that could be a thing as well.
Speaker 2: You'd hate to think that World Cup the team that's
Speaker 2: performed very well. So the Brumby's have got you know,
Speaker 2: five or six players that they've contracted just about right,
Speaker 2: and then they're all going over seas and they will
Speaker 2: pop up at less and then less benefit from those
Speaker 2: blanks playing for who knows right. You know, you're like, oh,
Speaker 2: hang on a minute, we want that back.
Speaker 4: And the other hurdle is that there's all tests or
Speaker 4: the four Tests on the other side of it, so
Speaker 4: everyone has to jump on planes. And now the Nation's Cup,
Speaker 4: so everyone comes to the South in July, so that'd
Speaker 4: have to you'd have to carve out.
Speaker 3: Another couple of weeks to make sure everyone's right apart.
Speaker 1: Wonder if the model is you do away with you
Speaker 1: do away with a mid year test window for that
Speaker 1: year in July when the North come down here and
Speaker 1: we play two Tests against Wales, one Test against et cetera.
Speaker 1: Maybe that one year, No way, every four years, you
Speaker 1: do away with it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's too much money.
Speaker 1: Well that's whether this can generate a place.
Speaker 5: Could I mean there's a lot, there's there'll be a
Speaker 5: lot of games to be played. It could generate it
Speaker 5: just it's new trying.
Speaker 2: To know what is don't know. We don't know what
Speaker 2: it could generate. It's been talked about for a long
Speaker 2: time and the sticking point has been someone to say,
Speaker 2: here's the here is the money, this is how it's
Speaker 2: going to be dispersed. Ultimately, that is a big rock
Speaker 2: that needs to be solved.
Speaker 3: Were good idea.
Speaker 6: I love.
Speaker 3: We shouldn't be happy, we shouldn't be afraid of a.
Speaker 6: Like worked out. But I think in principle, I think
Speaker 6: it'd be.
Speaker 3: I think, and we're starting.
Speaker 4: I think it's a good thing that we're starting to
Speaker 4: see these new little things pop up, even though the
Speaker 4: keywis they want to play.
Speaker 3: Us on hand ack day.
Speaker 4: But like we've been stuck in, we've been stuck in
Speaker 4: around Rugby's kind of calendar for a while now, right,
Speaker 4: you know, like some change and some new things well
Speaker 4: only kind of invigorate people's interests.
Speaker 1: Here's a potential byproduct. Does it create reverse sabbaticals? We
Speaker 1: get it starts to open up the opportunity, open up
Speaker 1: the eyes of Northern Hemisphere based players to come out here,
Speaker 1: which Jordy Barrett, who's at Leansa at the Moment said
Speaker 1: recently that players up there actually their eyes light up
Speaker 1: about the opportunity to come and playing in Super rugby
Speaker 1: for instance.
Speaker 2: Well, pathways and talent progression and depth charting becomes an
Speaker 2: issue then, right, and then you start you need to
Speaker 2: then in conjunction with because of this ecosystem and because
Speaker 2: everything's so connected, one area as a ripple somewhere else.
Speaker 2: So then eligibility and selection criteria for national teams because
Speaker 2: if you're going to import talent, you're going to lose
Speaker 2: its somewhere else. And normally you see the younger ones
Speaker 2: or your established ones, because the younger ones go, well,
Speaker 2: why am I going to stick around? Because they're just
Speaker 2: bringing in the rock star from Lensto who is not
Speaker 2: even Australian, not even going to play for Australia. So
Speaker 2: I'm going overseas. If they if they're good enough to
Speaker 2: play for Australia, do they then get brought back to
Speaker 2: play for Australia. In this notion, they've got a sign
Speaker 2: with the Siper Rugby club to be eligible. That needs
Speaker 2: examination as well.
Speaker 3: Then global game twenty years time.
Speaker 4: Maybe they're sitting around in a podcast or whatever the
Speaker 4: hell they're doing talking about like rugbies like soccer.
Speaker 3: Everyone plays every.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Producer Trav is a big fan of that.
Speaker 6: That podcast.
Speaker 2: Movement has never been greater, right, So the game needs
Speaker 2: to solve that because that is not that is only
Speaker 2: going to accelerate Rugby's in an international market. Now. You
Speaker 2: need to find out a way to maintain the Bungee
Speaker 2: Cort attachment and still have an opportunity to develop the
Speaker 2: resource and then use that resource when it's fully functional.
Speaker 1: It's good chat, plenty of good chat. Plenty of good
Speaker 1: questions coming in the sideline mailbag as well, so we
Speaker 1: might open up a few of those. This is a
Speaker 1: question from d Q. I won't read out that Twitter
Speaker 1: handle because it's a lot of numbers. When is Rugby
Speaker 1: AU releasing the First Nation Slash PACIFICA and OZ and
Speaker 1: Z jerseys and the squad lists. We've seen the coaching teams.
Speaker 1: This is me now we have seen the coaching teams
Speaker 1: for both announced in recent days. They have released options
Speaker 1: for a First Nations jersey which fans can vote on
Speaker 1: and go in the chance to win an experience to
Speaker 1: go to that First Nations Pacific game down in Melbourne.
Speaker 1: If they select the winning jersey.
Speaker 6: Have you looked at the jersey?
Speaker 1: I've looked at the jerseys. I'll be perfectly honest. I'm
Speaker 1: a bit underwhelmed by the four options. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: think they're overly exciting. The mainly white little bit of color,
Speaker 1: the color changes for the different options on the sleeve.
Speaker 1: One of them is a bit of a Harlequin type
Speaker 1: style with different colored square diagonally on the jersey. But
Speaker 1: they're out there. So to say Rugby Astralia hasn't released them,
Speaker 1: it's not true. But we haven't yet seen haven't selected
Speaker 1: the jersey. That's for the first nation specific one, Peter,
Speaker 1: we haven't seen anything.
Speaker 2: You can still big a preference out of those four, right? Yeah?
Speaker 6: And is that how they're picking the winner?
Speaker 2: Like whoever? Because that's what we want. Do you have
Speaker 2: a preference because well, I wasn't aware that you're an
Speaker 2: international fashion designer. What I want to know? You've got one.
Speaker 1: I'll go the Harlequins one.
Speaker 3: Old school.
Speaker 1: That's my choice.
Speaker 2: Politics now my.
Speaker 4: Choice answer question the lines, So the Australia and Z
Speaker 4: I always want to call it the Anzac tim Horn.
Speaker 3: You'll not let it go.
Speaker 6: It is.
Speaker 4: You get right attached to the Yeah, there's official approvals
Speaker 4: and all the rest of it.
Speaker 3: That is going to be released in mid June. Apparently.
Speaker 4: I've been knocking on Rugby Austra's door trying to get
Speaker 4: a look at it for a while and they've got it.
Speaker 3: They've kind of made them up.
Speaker 2: But there's going to want to get some from my kids.
Speaker 5: I'll tell you what that And every time when are
Speaker 5: they going to announce the team? That feels a team
Speaker 5: of about three hundred players? Every time I open an
Speaker 5: article as a new player that's put his hand up
Speaker 5: to play, Sonny.
Speaker 6: Bill is coming back. He is his playing quite Cooper.
Speaker 1: Sonny Bill is going to play game four days before
Speaker 1: he fights Paul Game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean James, you just said James j Connor.
Speaker 2: You said James Hooper.
Speaker 6: No I didn't. I mean everyone's played.
Speaker 3: Around this team.
Speaker 6: I mean is it players that have retired? Is it
Speaker 6: players that are currently playing? Like?
Speaker 2: What's that?
Speaker 4: So it started out with a bit of speculation on
Speaker 4: our behalf about what this team would look like. They
Speaker 4: have resolved to make it for the Australian components, buying
Speaker 4: large blokes who.
Speaker 3: Are already here, so that we're pulling them out of Wallaby.
Speaker 4: Squads up from Sober so it is it an Australia
Speaker 4: rad by default because the Lions DoD worn an Australia game.
Speaker 3: There is also Keyweed blokes, but because.
Speaker 4: New Zealand are playing France at the same time and
Speaker 4: I think the Mario or Black are playing at the
Speaker 4: same time, so there's there is some chat about some
Speaker 4: Keyweed guys coming across, but mostly they're fellas from New Zealand,
Speaker 4: so they're working through that at the moment. The names
Speaker 4: I've heard that they're trying to get over the line
Speaker 4: as far as insurance is Moanga, which is highest played
Speaker 4: player in the world, Shannon Frazelle, Sewan Stevenson, and TJ.
Speaker 3: Perrenara. I think.
Speaker 4: Where they this goes to that point about the squad
Speaker 4: is obviously they can't name the team until Joe kind
Speaker 4: of figures out who he wants for the test team
Speaker 4: and who's going to release and stuff. But you're talking
Speaker 4: like a week before the game, so that doesn't do
Speaker 4: much as far as like trying to promote it. We're
Speaker 4: trying to get a sense. So brings us right back
Speaker 4: to show was it show one the bloke who should
Speaker 4: have been co hosting this, Mike Hoopo.
Speaker 3: We've kind of.
Speaker 4: Raised that he would be a great guy to be
Speaker 4: involved in this. I think that there they either have
Speaker 4: approached him or they're going to approach him to do that.
Speaker 4: He's just finished up in Japan. Perfect guy to put
Speaker 4: on the poster, right and to go down to Adelaide.
Speaker 4: Do the local radio just start. I mean, this is
Speaker 4: what rug Bistre should be doing. They should be naming
Speaker 4: six seven guys as you kind of your marquee stars,
Speaker 4: and then fill the rest of.
Speaker 2: These your ambassadors players.
Speaker 4: So you've got your key with you guys, a couple
Speaker 4: of assies like Hoops and I don't know, let's let's
Speaker 4: ring up Samu and say, look at the moment, we
Speaker 4: don't have you in the Wallaby squad, but we want
Speaker 4: you in this team. We want you in the country
Speaker 4: at the time. You mean Peter Pete, Samu or no good,
Speaker 4: just someone like that.
Speaker 2: That's a hype of thing.
Speaker 5: I just want.
Speaker 3: I just think that we need to be starting to
Speaker 3: get the ball rolling on this.
Speaker 2: And do you think there's there's there's there's twenty thousand
Speaker 2: people waiting to hear a name, and so britge Ice
Speaker 2: lines are coming to Adelaide the concept and they know
Speaker 2: that it's going to be a market team. It has
Speaker 2: to be a market team with relevant I don't think it,
Speaker 2: but it can't hurt. So then you look at you
Speaker 2: look at the intent of that game. Originally is to
Speaker 2: have an opportunity for the players who are not ring
Speaker 2: fenced and just out of test contention to play in
Speaker 2: an Australian jersey. And then the New Zealand thing got
Speaker 2: promoted and so then all of a sudden it was agreed.
Speaker 2: But that's what the original intent is. There is a
Speaker 2: developmental tool and also possibly a player retention tool as
Speaker 2: well to INCENTIVI as a player who's maybe or maybe
Speaker 2: not deciding to extend a contract or what is this
Speaker 2: thing called Australian rugby and wallaby is? How much do
Speaker 2: they believe in me? So when you when you start
Speaker 2: picking players that have gone offshore are already done. It's
Speaker 2: an invitational side, Google in the side. So we're inviting
Speaker 2: we're inviting New Zealand guys to come.
Speaker 1: We have to.
Speaker 2: We have to because that's the model.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 4: I think a balance needs to be found between this
Speaker 4: being a development tool, and.
Speaker 2: It's a development tool well player returns look as Rory Scott.
Speaker 3: I understand, but you also I think that car.
Speaker 4: It can't hurt to have a couple of marquee names
Speaker 4: to help promote it to Yeah, I think you can't
Speaker 4: run away from the idea that there's a festival aspect
Speaker 4: to this because that's what people want to see.
Speaker 2: The first aspect of every game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I understand, everyone understand.
Speaker 4: We also can't We also can't wait until the twelfth
Speaker 4: of July before.
Speaker 3: We know what the team is.
Speaker 1: I think that's one thing that fans and there's been
Speaker 1: a lot of people asking, like d Q, when are
Speaker 1: they going to name it? I think there is an
Speaker 1: element that you touched on the pay that people don't
Speaker 1: realize that this will likely include players that get left
Speaker 1: out of the Wallaby squad. So he can't start making
Speaker 1: those announcements now because then you're going.
Speaker 3: On what's more use it strategically.
Speaker 4: If Marika cole Bred is not going to be picked
Speaker 4: in the in the Wallaby squad for whatever reason, how
Speaker 4: good would it be for him for for young Wallaby's
Speaker 4: wingers to spend a week with Marika?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Like there is a chance for them not to just
Speaker 4: learn from Richie Mohanga, but learn from Michael Hooper and
Speaker 4: learn from you just to spend a week in their company.
Speaker 4: It doesn't have to be it doesn't have to be
Speaker 4: three quarters of the team, but it certainly can't have
Speaker 4: three or four blocks.
Speaker 1: Of those names that you you mentioned that are being
Speaker 1: worked on, like working through things like insurance. Yeah, are
Speaker 1: we expecting those confirmation confirmations?
Speaker 3: They say they're getting closer on that.
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know the first thing about that,
Speaker 4: but you Richie and two point two million a year
Speaker 4: or something crazy like that. So to ensure him just
Speaker 4: for a week would not be a simple exercise, I'm sure,
Speaker 4: but general, yeah, they're getting they say they're getting closer.
Speaker 1: That on some of the names you mentioned. I know,
Speaker 1: you goog, you were just spitballing, like talking about that
Speaker 1: player retention model using this as something like that if
Speaker 1: you look at someone like a Rory Scott or Luke
Speaker 1: Rahman at the Brumbies play only three days before that
Speaker 1: against the lines in it's.
Speaker 2: Interesting under okay that position, Maybe we were narrowing in
Speaker 2: on that but also incentivizing and rewarding you know, players
Speaker 2: that have had outstanding super Over Pacivics seasons get had.
Speaker 2: We've all we're all waxing lyrical about super Oba Pacific
Speaker 2: this year. How good it's been, our compelling it's been,
Speaker 2: the integrity of it, the intensity of it, the skill execution.
Speaker 2: You know, those players will hopefully be rewarded with a
Speaker 2: starting position against British ice lines for their province or
Speaker 2: one better and au n Z to parents as well,
Speaker 2: so that that would be lovely to see.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I wonder if we could start maybe examining some of
Speaker 2: those top performers of Superbia Pacific and start fighting those
Speaker 2: names and build. I think most people are interested in
Speaker 2: the New Zealand component. Quite frankly, I think Australia. Australian
Speaker 2: fans aren't too anxious about who's the Australian top player
Speaker 2: that's going to be named so that I can press push,
Speaker 2: you know, QF one down Adelaide or not. I think
Speaker 2: they're most interested in that New Zealand concept because of
Speaker 2: the au n Z compartment. Mister a game in britge
Speaker 2: ice Line series in twos and one, there wasn't much
Speaker 2: interest around who was playing and just they knew they
Speaker 2: were playing in Gosford and we're getting along and not
Speaker 2: miss out on watching a six hundred cap test team.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, but there won't be anything. Yeah, but Wallaby's
Speaker 4: played in that, didn't They like guys who no one.
Speaker 2: Knew who was going to play that until they were released.
Speaker 4: We've got a more ring fenced environment, so you're not
Speaker 4: going to see well, it's going to be choice, so
Speaker 4: you're going to be seeing in the Wallaby squad.
Speaker 2: Well that's it. That's just to see us sit down
Speaker 2: with mister Joe Smitt and say, listen, there's there's there's
Speaker 2: more things at stake here than just you know, this
Speaker 2: small window of ring fencing and controlling as many people.
Speaker 2: You do need to release some of your bench players.
Speaker 2: You need to release something. I mean, is that a conversation?
Speaker 3: Well they will, I mean they'll, yeah, they'll, they'll.
Speaker 4: I think he's talked about ring fencing twenty three or
Speaker 4: twenty four, and then you're going to run a squad
Speaker 4: of thirty six, so there'll be you know, ten thirteen
Speaker 4: guys leaving.
Speaker 2: But do you reckon all of them are going to
Speaker 2: play in that game? Do you think? Well?
Speaker 4: The interesting part is it is the seven days before
Speaker 4: the first test, the first test, so you know if
Speaker 4: they want them on the samekind.
Speaker 1: Of well, we are going around the circles a little
Speaker 1: bit because it's just a debatable topic. But d Q
Speaker 1: mentioned that the first nation specifica jersey's kind of already
Speaker 1: out there. The oz and Zen jersey been coming out
Speaker 1: June and we've said what we could say about the
Speaker 1: squad lists.
Speaker 2: You love the Harlequins one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's my pick. I hope that has an
Speaker 1: influence anyone. I haven't.
Speaker 2: I should I want to vote.
Speaker 6: Vot you don't get to what were your Harlequines jersey?
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. I want to move on to
Speaker 1: another question because considering the British and Irish lines are
Speaker 1: coming our way, this is a fascinating question from Michael Kuzmich,
Speaker 1: big fan of Insideline Hey Fellers. Has Sansa ever considered
Speaker 1: doing their own version of the British and Irish Lines
Speaker 1: tour lift so then we can create the Sansar Tigers.
Speaker 1: I'm not sold on the name personally selected from OZ
Speaker 1: and Z, South Africa and Argentina tour would run during
Speaker 1: Michael saying the tour would run during the spring season
Speaker 1: or after Christmas New Year. I'm not so sure about
Speaker 1: the timing, but just in terms of doing like a
Speaker 1: Southern Hemisphere style British and iceh Lions team, has it
Speaker 1: ever been discussed?
Speaker 2: Cook It's been discussed, probably to the same extent that
Speaker 2: World Club Challenge has been been discussed and then and
Speaker 2: then I think it's just it's there's a lot obviously
Speaker 2: a lot of governance structures and a lot of existing
Speaker 2: frameworks that need to be agreed to. But I think
Speaker 2: it's just been discussed. I don't think it's really been
Speaker 2: modeled to the to the level that it would need
Speaker 2: to to be able to get it off the ground conceptually,
Speaker 2: from a concept to a structure to this is how
Speaker 2: it's going to work. It'd be great, though, would I mean?
Speaker 5: And I know I'm on a rugby show, but today's
Speaker 5: state of origin in rugby league. Every single rugby league
Speaker 5: fan is invested in tonight's game when.
Speaker 6: Australia play, Well, that's because they're a fan. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: they're right.
Speaker 5: But when Australia played New Zealand, Southern fans there might
Speaker 5: be some interest, but there's they're not They're not invested
Speaker 5: and that's what makes that of origin so especially you've
Speaker 5: got the best players in the world coming together to
Speaker 5: have the game their life in a night.
Speaker 2: If you had the British rs in Western Australian Victoria,
Speaker 2: they don't really.
Speaker 6: Well they'll pick a side.
Speaker 1: Queensland, but yeah, but this could be this could be it.
Speaker 5: Like you think about that, like every single rugby rugby
Speaker 5: fan on the planet have a vested interest in a
Speaker 5: team that's playing on that night, and it could it
Speaker 5: could blow the roof off the biggest thing rugby's ever done.
Speaker 5: But they've got to get it through the conceptual phase
Speaker 5: and all the argument. The snouts in the troughh that
Speaker 5: have got to back away and to let it happen.
Speaker 4: Well, knowing our mates over the ditch, like they'd never
Speaker 4: say yes to it, but like would they tour, would
Speaker 4: they play in France? And like it would be on
Speaker 4: a twelve year cycle or there?
Speaker 3: I mean, they're all the questions.
Speaker 2: The British ice lines concept is an amazing concept. It's
Speaker 2: an intoxicating example of how the world of rugby can
Speaker 2: come together for a short amount of time and put
Speaker 2: aside international rivalry. But the most compelling argument for the
Speaker 2: British and irice lines existence is the commerciality of it. Yea,
Speaker 2: austral And Rugby is going to survive on the back
Speaker 2: of the British and ice lines to a dounceouth. Now,
Speaker 2: if the Southern Hemisphere can put a model together that
Speaker 2: of course represents the best of the best, and we
Speaker 2: know that we'll win probably more times than we'll lose
Speaker 2: when we put that team together. That is going to
Speaker 2: be an amazing group of people and athletes. It's the
Speaker 2: commercial discussion because we know that commerciality will make you
Speaker 2: move things and timings of competition and welcome challenge. How
Speaker 2: much is going to pass and World Cup? You guys
Speaker 2: are going to have less tests this year because it's
Speaker 2: a World Cup year, No problem. It's worth this much money.
Speaker 2: That's that's the answer.
Speaker 3: It takes a huge pile of money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we know the pile kind of because British ice
Speaker 2: Lines is the pile. So we've actually got the model,
Speaker 2: we've got the numbers, we just need people to go.
Speaker 1: Here's my pen I reckon if you put it on
Speaker 1: during the spring tour, as in instead of all those
Speaker 1: individual nations going, you find a window that point and
Speaker 1: then and you don't just play the four home nations.
Speaker 1: You include France in it.
Speaker 3: What about this one shot one kill the Lions and
Speaker 3: the Tigers. I don't want to call.
Speaker 4: Its versus the the anzacsafas.
Speaker 3: A week after the World Cup.
Speaker 4: Final every four years, they if money makes a world
Speaker 4: go round, pay every single person to be fair.
Speaker 1: The semi finals of the World Cup are usually the
Speaker 1: Southern Hemisphere teams anyway.
Speaker 3: But at least there's like it finishes, you might you
Speaker 3: might find a.
Speaker 2: Solution. It needs to be, which is why the World
Speaker 2: Cup Challenge. It needs to have literally in just a
Speaker 2: one v two shootout, and then is really going to
Speaker 2: pay enough money to make that worthwhile and have longevity.
Speaker 2: Those lines have survived because of the emotion and the
Speaker 2: history and the you know, it's been tied into all
Speaker 2: sorts of different themes and then now it's got this
Speaker 2: thing in the world of professionalism, commerciality and sustainability so
Speaker 2: important to marry.
Speaker 3: That and am I and am I going to be
Speaker 3: the one to point out that how many players will
Speaker 3: we get in.
Speaker 1: The team some years smaller than in the line squad.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll always get a.
Speaker 6: Couple might be us in the short term.
Speaker 2: But you know, as time games, that'd be huge too, right.
Speaker 2: How do you set up selection critia? How do you
Speaker 2: set up set up the panel who's got the final say?
Speaker 6: I just love the thought of it, I really do.
Speaker 5: I just I couldn't imagine, like like anyone not being
Speaker 5: so invested in that. And when you've got the punters
Speaker 5: invested that they're the ones that bring the dollars to
Speaker 5: the table, you know, then all of a sudden the
Speaker 5: sponsors come on board, you know, the the excitement for
Speaker 5: the game. I just think it could be rugby unions
Speaker 5: to compete with other things that they're competing.
Speaker 1: I actually think this is a better idea than the
Speaker 1: World Club.
Speaker 2: It would be the longest undefeated group of athletes team,
Speaker 2: do you think. I don't think they'd ever maybe not go,
Speaker 2: but I don't reckon they'd lose this series until again.
Speaker 5: But that's the intrigue about it, right, that's hard to believe.
Speaker 5: How do we know, let's see it and then you
Speaker 5: see it and I've got this Southern hemon.
Speaker 2: Just don't start this argument because when these arguments get their.
Speaker 6: Time, the Northern hemisphere then go. We can't have these things.
Speaker 2: Just made it to be.
Speaker 5: Amazing, and that was how State of Origin started New
Speaker 5: South Wales Queens and got sick of kicking their ast.
Speaker 2: No, but it's not to play against the British ice lines.
Speaker 2: Let's get this right. Yeah, you're going on tours and
Speaker 2: you're handing it to the others. Or maybe the individual
Speaker 2: unions up there are strong enough.
Speaker 3: What's intriguing the.
Speaker 4: Debate From a place perspective, you listen to James all
Speaker 4: Will talk about how his eyes were opened about how
Speaker 4: much playing for the Lions meant to the guys he
Speaker 4: was playing with, like it was like playing for your country,
Speaker 4: being selected for the Lions and being a test line,
Speaker 4: and like being a test line was top of the tree.
Speaker 4: So be really interesting from apecive from a place perspective
Speaker 4: about that was which being able to represence, which.
Speaker 2: Also ties into possibly play retention right, because that could
Speaker 2: be a selection policy thing where you have to be
Speaker 2: playing for the country in the country at the time
Speaker 2: you can't pick.
Speaker 3: You know, we've solved a lot of problems.
Speaker 2: That could be a thing. I'm going to stick around
Speaker 2: because I want to play.
Speaker 6: For the positive. The profit here has become luck excited, I.
Speaker 1: Reckon it's your infectious attitude. You are the greatest supporter
Speaker 1: of any idea, great idea.
Speaker 6: Let's go, let's make it happen. Yeah, something says money on.
Speaker 1: The tape very quickly. I'm putting you on the spot here.
Speaker 1: But of the current Wallabies for this compont side was
Speaker 1: picked right now, of the cur who would would make the.
Speaker 2: Team know where you live?
Speaker 5: Fraser Fraser right, yea Yepeus, I can see Tom Line
Speaker 5: are playing in it at some point.
Speaker 2: I love Tom n You can't do that.
Speaker 3: Let it out right now?
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah right yeah then maybe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, picked Bobby Bobby, Bobby, Yeah, Angus Bell Yeah.
Speaker 3: Eventually essentially there's five or six.
Speaker 1: Yeah, big squad, good chat, big squad. We can continue
Speaker 1: this over a beer, I reckon. That's the insideline for
Speaker 1: this week. Thanks gentlemen.
Speaker 6: I love it.