WEBVTT - ‘Stay out of our lives’ - More Aussies banned from using gas ⛽️

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<v Speaker 1>Sydney's best breakfast GG. The City of Sydney has voted

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<v Speaker 1>to ban gas appliances in all new homes from next year.

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<v Speaker 1>It means gas appliances will not be included in any

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<v Speaker 1>new residential developments from December thirty one. And that's not all.

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<v Speaker 1>A gaspan in new offices, hotels and service departments is

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<v Speaker 1>also on the cards for the future. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>bring in a few people with a point of view

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<v Speaker 1>on this. Paul Nikolau. He's the Executive Director of Business Sydney. Paul,

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<v Speaker 1>good morning to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Good morning Ben, then, thank you for your kind remarks

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<v Speaker 2>about my CEO sleepout.

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<v Speaker 1>No problem. Well done on raising all of that money.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think of the gas band.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a bad move, Ben, economically, practically and socially. I

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<v Speaker 2>firmly believe that councilor should stick to roads, footpaths, parks

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<v Speaker 2>and local matters and leave this matter in relation to

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<v Speaker 2>the use of gas appliances to the state government so

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<v Speaker 2>they can have proper consultation and discussion with all parties

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<v Speaker 2>and relevant organizations.

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<v Speaker 1>Mind you, it's not just the City of Sydney. We've

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<v Speaker 1>had six other councils banning gas appliances in new builds.

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<v Speaker 1>Seven others are working towards it as well. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't it a case of stay out of our lives,

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<v Speaker 1>stay out of our kitchen?

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<v Speaker 2>Totally agree, Ben. It's creating confusion and frustration for business community.

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<v Speaker 2>And at the end of the day you're right. You

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<v Speaker 2>had Willoby Council rejected and other councils have now brought

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<v Speaker 2>in the band. It's just creating more and more problems

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<v Speaker 2>and more costs for the consumer and also for businesses.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Paul nicol Our, Executive Director of Business Sidney. Thank you, Paul.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to bring in Kylie, one half of the

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<v Speaker 1>Gas Girls who what brought the gas showroom in Chatswood.

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<v Speaker 1>You may have heard their ads here on two GB.

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<v Speaker 1>Hello Kylie, morning, Ben. We thought of you this morning.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, it was one of our listeners who said,

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder what the Gas Girls make of this.

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<v Speaker 3>They're that's ridiculous and all our customers are winging.

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<v Speaker 1>They're winging because of the Gas Band.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so we're doing like you knows. We're in chats

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<v Speaker 3>so we're fairly close to Lane Cove Council and they're

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<v Speaker 3>doing a lot of knockdown rebuild stuff like that around

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<v Speaker 3>Hunters Hill and places like that, and they can't get

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<v Speaker 3>their plans through if they put in any gas appliance.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there a health danger to having gas, because that's

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<v Speaker 1>what the Greens Council or on the City of Sydney,

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<v Speaker 1>Matthew Thompson is suggesting.

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<v Speaker 3>Not if they're flud.

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<v Speaker 2>No, if you put in a gas fluid heater, all

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<v Speaker 2>your emissions, all.

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<v Speaker 3>Your moisture goes to outside. It crawls the air from outside. No,

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<v Speaker 3>there are no health risks at all.

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<v Speaker 2>With anything like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Flud Maybe a little bit, but they're pretty low in

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<v Speaker 3>emissions now as well, so it's just ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well Matthew Thompson has likened a gas stove to

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<v Speaker 1>smoking cigarettes in a room with your child.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, Well, we've all had them all our lives

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<v Speaker 3>and we're okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I would have thought. So there's Kylie and I can

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<v Speaker 1>also hear Kylie's other half in the background as well,

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<v Speaker 1>So they're the gas girls in Chatswood. And now the

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<v Speaker 1>chef Luke Mangan is on the line today.

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<v Speaker 4>Luke, good morning, benzing me.

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<v Speaker 1>What does this mean for restaurants and cafes?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you know, it's an interesting thing, isn't it. Gash

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<v Speaker 4>is a very efficient thing to cook with, although electricity

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<v Speaker 4>the induction things that have created nowadays are becoming more

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<v Speaker 4>efficient as well. But the thing that gets me, I

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<v Speaker 4>think is the price. You know, they say that we're

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<v Speaker 4>going to save the consumers, going to say six hundred

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<v Speaker 4>dollars a year. Now we've heard all that before. We've

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<v Speaker 4>changed over to electricity about and the prices of electricity

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<v Speaker 4>going up, So I think that's the real question here.

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<v Speaker 4>They say it's going to be six hundred dollars savings

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<v Speaker 4>a year. Will it be though? Will it cost us more?

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<v Speaker 4>That's the real thing. And you know, about seven percent

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<v Speaker 4>of the emissions the New South Wales comes from producing

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<v Speaker 4>and using gas, so it's not a lot seven percent.

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<v Speaker 4>And back in twenty twenty three the Mens government rejected

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<v Speaker 4>this as a statewide band. So I'd be interested to

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<v Speaker 4>see where they're at with all this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Chris Means has previously opposed as statewide band on

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<v Speaker 1>new gas connections, and previously clover More said, oh well

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<v Speaker 1>it's not really our domain at the City of Sydney,

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<v Speaker 1>this is really a state government matter. But now look

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<v Speaker 1>what's happened in the last twenty four hours.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, what's going to happen next? You know, the banners

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<v Speaker 4>from going into the parks now in the CBD and

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<v Speaker 4>now they're trying to stop us. I think people should

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<v Speaker 4>have the choice if they want electricity or if they

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<v Speaker 4>want to cook with gas, etc. And to do this

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<v Speaker 4>in hotels. I mean, obviously in the big hotels now

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<v Speaker 4>we do have that luxury of having gas or electricity.

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<v Speaker 4>There are some massive electric ovens available to us that

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<v Speaker 4>do good things. But I think to turn a whole kitchen,

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<v Speaker 4>commercial kitchen and possible office blocks and buildings like that,

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<v Speaker 4>I think that's a big ass.

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<v Speaker 1>And when it comes to Asian food particularly, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of chef suits say, well, you wouldn't even think

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<v Speaker 1>of cooking without gas.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, that's right. The wock burner, the hot gas burner

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<v Speaker 4>that does walk cooking, and they cook a lot with that.

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<v Speaker 4>But as I said, induction has come a long way.

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<v Speaker 4>It is an option. But for me, I'm a bit

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<v Speaker 4>sort of the old fashioned type.

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<v Speaker 1>But to fer the gas, you keep on cooking with gas.

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<v Speaker 1>And we appreciate your time, Luke, Thanks be the celebrity chef.

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<v Speaker 1>Luke mangan and that was after our conversation with Kylie

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<v Speaker 1>from the Gas Girls, one of our advertisers here at

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<v Speaker 1>two GB and Paul Nicolau, the Executive Director of Business Sydney.

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<v Speaker 1>So the Green's Councilor Matthew Thompson says these changes are

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<v Speaker 1>an easy step, they'll save lives and save money, and

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<v Speaker 1>the council meeting notes say all electric buildings can deliver healthier,

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<v Speaker 1>cost effective and energy efficient developments that are built to

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<v Speaker 1>meet the future energy standards of Australia. All electric buildings

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<v Speaker 1>avoid locking into fossil fuel systems and advance the City

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<v Speaker 1>of Sydney's net zero emissions objectives. So that's what it's about.

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<v Speaker 1>It's about trying to get to net zero. And if

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<v Speaker 1>everything's all electric and we have blackouts, what happens then?

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