Speaker 1: Sydney's best breakfast GG. The City of Sydney has voted
Speaker 1: to ban gas appliances in all new homes from next year.
Speaker 1: It means gas appliances will not be included in any
Speaker 1: new residential developments from December thirty one. And that's not all.
Speaker 1: A gaspan in new offices, hotels and service departments is
Speaker 1: also on the cards for the future. I want to
Speaker 1: bring in a few people with a point of view
Speaker 1: on this. Paul Nikolau. He's the Executive Director of Business Sydney. Paul,
Speaker 1: good morning to you.
Speaker 2: Good morning Ben, then, thank you for your kind remarks
Speaker 2: about my CEO sleepout.
Speaker 1: No problem. Well done on raising all of that money.
Speaker 1: What do you think of the gas band.
Speaker 2: It's a bad move, Ben, economically, practically and socially. I
Speaker 2: firmly believe that councilor should stick to roads, footpaths, parks
Speaker 2: and local matters and leave this matter in relation to
Speaker 2: the use of gas appliances to the state government so
Speaker 2: they can have proper consultation and discussion with all parties
Speaker 2: and relevant organizations.
Speaker 1: Mind you, it's not just the City of Sydney. We've
Speaker 1: had six other councils banning gas appliances in new builds.
Speaker 1: Seven others are working towards it as well. I mean,
Speaker 1: isn't it a case of stay out of our lives,
Speaker 1: stay out of our kitchen?
Speaker 2: Totally agree, Ben. It's creating confusion and frustration for business community.
Speaker 2: And at the end of the day you're right. You
Speaker 2: had Willoby Council rejected and other councils have now brought
Speaker 2: in the band. It's just creating more and more problems
Speaker 2: and more costs for the consumer and also for businesses.
Speaker 1: That's Paul nicol Our, Executive Director of Business Sidney. Thank you, Paul.
Speaker 1: I want to bring in Kylie, one half of the
Speaker 1: Gas Girls who what brought the gas showroom in Chatswood.
Speaker 1: You may have heard their ads here on two GB.
Speaker 1: Hello Kylie, morning, Ben. We thought of you this morning.
Speaker 1: In fact, it was one of our listeners who said,
Speaker 1: I wonder what the Gas Girls make of this.
Speaker 3: They're that's ridiculous and all our customers are winging.
Speaker 1: They're winging because of the Gas Band.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we're doing like you knows. We're in chats
Speaker 3: so we're fairly close to Lane Cove Council and they're
Speaker 3: doing a lot of knockdown rebuild stuff like that around
Speaker 3: Hunters Hill and places like that, and they can't get
Speaker 3: their plans through if they put in any gas appliance.
Speaker 1: Is there a health danger to having gas, because that's
Speaker 1: what the Greens Council or on the City of Sydney,
Speaker 1: Matthew Thompson is suggesting.
Speaker 3: Not if they're flud.
Speaker 2: No, if you put in a gas fluid heater, all
Speaker 2: your emissions, all.
Speaker 3: Your moisture goes to outside. It crawls the air from outside. No,
Speaker 3: there are no health risks at all.
Speaker 2: With anything like that.
Speaker 3: Flud Maybe a little bit, but they're pretty low in
Speaker 3: emissions now as well, so it's just ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well Matthew Thompson has likened a gas stove to
Speaker 1: smoking cigarettes in a room with your child.
Speaker 3: All right, Well, we've all had them all our lives
Speaker 3: and we're okay.
Speaker 1: I would have thought. So there's Kylie and I can
Speaker 1: also hear Kylie's other half in the background as well,
Speaker 1: So they're the gas girls in Chatswood. And now the
Speaker 1: chef Luke Mangan is on the line today.
Speaker 4: Luke, good morning, benzing me.
Speaker 1: What does this mean for restaurants and cafes?
Speaker 4: Well, you know, it's an interesting thing, isn't it. Gash
Speaker 4: is a very efficient thing to cook with, although electricity
Speaker 4: the induction things that have created nowadays are becoming more
Speaker 4: efficient as well. But the thing that gets me, I
Speaker 4: think is the price. You know, they say that we're
Speaker 4: going to save the consumers, going to say six hundred
Speaker 4: dollars a year. Now we've heard all that before. We've
Speaker 4: changed over to electricity about and the prices of electricity
Speaker 4: going up, So I think that's the real question here.
Speaker 4: They say it's going to be six hundred dollars savings
Speaker 4: a year. Will it be though? Will it cost us more?
Speaker 4: That's the real thing. And you know, about seven percent
Speaker 4: of the emissions the New South Wales comes from producing
Speaker 4: and using gas, so it's not a lot seven percent.
Speaker 4: And back in twenty twenty three the Mens government rejected
Speaker 4: this as a statewide band. So I'd be interested to
Speaker 4: see where they're at with all this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Chris Means has previously opposed as statewide band on
Speaker 1: new gas connections, and previously clover More said, oh well
Speaker 1: it's not really our domain at the City of Sydney,
Speaker 1: this is really a state government matter. But now look
Speaker 1: what's happened in the last twenty four hours.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what's going to happen next? You know, the banners
Speaker 4: from going into the parks now in the CBD and
Speaker 4: now they're trying to stop us. I think people should
Speaker 4: have the choice if they want electricity or if they
Speaker 4: want to cook with gas, etc. And to do this
Speaker 4: in hotels. I mean, obviously in the big hotels now
Speaker 4: we do have that luxury of having gas or electricity.
Speaker 4: There are some massive electric ovens available to us that
Speaker 4: do good things. But I think to turn a whole kitchen,
Speaker 4: commercial kitchen and possible office blocks and buildings like that,
Speaker 4: I think that's a big ass.
Speaker 1: And when it comes to Asian food particularly, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of chef suits say, well, you wouldn't even think
Speaker 1: of cooking without gas.
Speaker 4: Well, that's right. The wock burner, the hot gas burner
Speaker 4: that does walk cooking, and they cook a lot with that.
Speaker 4: But as I said, induction has come a long way.
Speaker 4: It is an option. But for me, I'm a bit
Speaker 4: sort of the old fashioned type.
Speaker 1: But to fer the gas, you keep on cooking with gas.
Speaker 1: And we appreciate your time, Luke, Thanks be the celebrity chef.
Speaker 1: Luke mangan and that was after our conversation with Kylie
Speaker 1: from the Gas Girls, one of our advertisers here at
Speaker 1: two GB and Paul Nicolau, the Executive Director of Business Sydney.
Speaker 1: So the Green's Councilor Matthew Thompson says these changes are
Speaker 1: an easy step, they'll save lives and save money, and
Speaker 1: the council meeting notes say all electric buildings can deliver healthier,
Speaker 1: cost effective and energy efficient developments that are built to
Speaker 1: meet the future energy standards of Australia. All electric buildings
Speaker 1: avoid locking into fossil fuel systems and advance the City
Speaker 1: of Sydney's net zero emissions objectives. So that's what it's about.
Speaker 1: It's about trying to get to net zero. And if
Speaker 1: everything's all electric and we have blackouts, what happens then?
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