Speaker 1: On two GB, four BC and network stations. This is
Speaker 1: Wake Up Australia with Phill O'Neill.
Speaker 2: Wednesday, the eighteenth of June, Winnary. Halfway through the year.
Speaker 2: And how's it going. Have you achieved everything that you've
Speaker 2: wanted to do so far this year? If not? What
Speaker 2: Today's a brand new day. Currently eight degrees in Sydney
Speaker 2: feels more like four. In Brisbane it's eleven degrees, feels
Speaker 2: like eleven degrees. I feel a little bit let down
Speaker 2: by that comparison, a little bit ripped off, So I
Speaker 2: apologize for that. Bruce said on the text, this is
Speaker 2: very good. Alba was at the airport waving Donald Trump
Speaker 2: could bine with the medicarecard. I like that. That's the
Speaker 2: text of the day. And he also says what is
Speaker 2: loomy anyway? Also this one from Darryl. Darryl, thank you,
Speaker 2: thank you so much. I really appreciated that lovely text
Speaker 2: that you sent through with some nice feedback. Appreciate that.
Speaker 2: And I've got another email that came through a moment
Speaker 2: ago as well. I think it was from Will, and
Speaker 2: Will was saying that he enjoyed Sarah Bora's recipe this
Speaker 2: morning says it's the best recipe so far, and of
Speaker 2: course the recipe with Sarah Bora is on the website,
Speaker 2: the two GB and four BC websites. Let's have a
Speaker 2: look at four eight in the morning at the front
Speaker 2: page of the newspapers, starting as we always do with
Speaker 2: The Australian because the print is the smallest and I
Speaker 2: have to squint. Anthony Albanezi will face extreme pressure to
Speaker 2: ramp up Australia's defense spending following Donald Trump's decision to
Speaker 2: cancel their long awaited meeting in Canada shortly after delivering
Speaker 2: British Prime Minister Keuth Starman's staff exceptions and also the
Speaker 2: tariff exemptions that he wanted as well. And assurance is
Speaker 2: on the deal of the three hundred and eighty six
Speaker 2: billion dollar ORCUS deal. Is the front page of the Australia.
Speaker 2: Thank you for that, Cidy Morning Herald ge. There's a
Speaker 2: haunting photo here of Donald Trump getting on their Force
Speaker 2: one as he heads off from Calgary to go home.
Speaker 2: So really it's a really haunting photo. That's the any
Speaker 2: way to put my eyes say it. And the story
Speaker 2: is Iran and Israel have ramped up their missile attacks
Speaker 2: attacks rather as the world waits to see what action
Speaker 2: US President Donald Trump will take after leaving the G
Speaker 2: seventh summit of world leaders in Canada a day early
Speaker 2: because of the intensifying hostilities in the Middle East, of
Speaker 2: which we haven't found out too much about that, but
Speaker 2: we will find out, I'm sure, throughout the day whether
Speaker 2: or not that's saber rattling or there is in fact
Speaker 2: something else involved. From pature of the Telegraph, it was
Speaker 2: supposed to be Anthony Albanesi's big chance to put Australia's
Speaker 2: case forward to the world's most powerful leader, but the
Speaker 2: Prime Minister was less left desperate and dateless yesterday when
Speaker 2: the US President Donald Trump brushed the pairs plan face
Speaker 2: to face meeting on the sidelines at the G seven
Speaker 2: and summit in Calgary, and a photo of Albanizi there
Speaker 2: looking a little bit while he looks across between disconcerted
Speaker 2: and gormless to do totally honest from page to the
Speaker 2: age World waits for Trumps as the Israel Iran crisis escalates.
Speaker 2: The story is Israel and Iran have ramped up their
Speaker 2: missile attacks as the world waits to see what action
Speaker 2: US President Donald Trump will take Residents in Tehran were
Speaker 2: caught in gridlock trying to flee the city as global
Speaker 2: anxiety centered on whether or not the United States would
Speaker 2: broker and end to the conflict or enter the fray
Speaker 2: by helping Israel destroy Iran's deeply buried nuclear enrichment facility
Speaker 2: at FORDAU, which only US bunker buster bombs can reach.
Speaker 2: And that's where the reference to bunker buster bombs came from.
Speaker 2: I was talking about that earlier on this morning from Pagrie.
Speaker 2: Your Cabra Times has this noisy events at the summer
Speaker 2: it's the annual car event in camera that attracts more
Speaker 2: than one hundred thousand people. Cannot practically or practicably comply
Speaker 2: with the imposed sound limits, according to an independent assessment.
Speaker 2: Well there's a surprise. I mean, if they're driving cars
Speaker 2: at the summer ATS, they're going to have modified exhausts,
Speaker 2: So how can that keep within the noise monitoring report
Speaker 2: that they've had. They found that the noise from the
Speaker 2: event regularly exceeded limits sent to them by the EPA,
Speaker 2: the Environmental Protection Authority. Really though, that shouldn't come as
Speaker 2: any surprise to anyone that goes to the Summer ATS.
Speaker 2: Because they are, as I said, hotted up cars with
Speaker 2: hotted up exhausts. So what more for you? The Financial Review,
Speaker 2: in fact too more Financial Review Treasurer at Jim Charmers
Speaker 2: has opened the door the tax changes beyond superannuation, admitting
Speaker 2: the federal budget is unsustainable and the economy's stagnant productivity
Speaker 2: will not deliver higher living standards for work people. And
Speaker 2: one more here for the front page of the Courier Mail,
Speaker 2: and we'll talk more about this just after the fourth
Speaker 2: thirty News with Peter Figan from the four BC Breakfast Show.
Speaker 2: He's getting all excited about state of Origin, as I'm
Speaker 2: sure everyone in Queensland is. But the story on the
Speaker 2: front page of the Courier Mail, everyone in Queensland wants
Speaker 2: the Maroons to smash Spencer Lenu. And those are the
Speaker 2: words of the Maroon legends, Billy Moore, who's appealed for
Speaker 2: Queensland to kick off to Blues pest Lenu in Origin
Speaker 2: number two tonight and make him eat humble pie. Well,
Speaker 2: let's wait and see what happens and we'll talk more
Speaker 2: about Origin. You'll hear that across the day, of course.
Speaker 2: And another big call from the Great man Mirk Levy,
Speaker 2: who did a terrific call on the last state of origin,
Speaker 2: which I said to him, I mean, you were really
Speaker 2: good on that said it was my first one. I
Speaker 2: went no, since you called that like an expert, brother,
Speaker 2: So you'll be able to hear Mike Levy calling that
Speaker 2: later and more about the state of origin throughout the day. Hey, Phil,
Speaker 2: morning to you. Four point seven degrees feels like about
Speaker 2: one point one in Willow Tree. Good on you, mate,
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for that, and we'll see you
Speaker 2: when you get back here. That was somebody who says
Speaker 2: back on Thursday, I'm speaking to that person as though
Speaker 2: they're an old mate, but I don't know who it
Speaker 2: is because they didn't put their text on it. It
Speaker 2: could be my wife for all I know. Thirteen minutes
Speaker 2: past four. Okay, we're up today. Let's talk about this
Speaker 2: next and i'd like to get your feedback. Garth Davis
Speaker 2: is going to join us. He's a real estate and
Speaker 2: property expert, and the issue is about overseas trade's are
Speaker 2: they the answer to the housing crisis? What about if
Speaker 2: they're giving them ten grand to come and do it.
Speaker 2: I'll talk about this and I'm sure we'll get your
Speaker 2: cause about that next coming up to seventeen minutes past four,
Speaker 2: Peter Fegan joins us in a moment from the four
Speaker 2: BC Brisbane Breakfast Show to tell us what's coming up
Speaker 2: on the show and ben Fordham from five point thirty
Speaker 2: This morning on Sydney's two GB, Mike Levy follows that
Speaker 2: would you hire an overseas trade? Are you a boss
Speaker 2: that is in a position to hire overseas trads? Well,
Speaker 2: give me a quick ring one three one eight seven three.
Speaker 2: Why is it that it's so hard to find trades?
Speaker 2: And also why if you were a trade, why are
Speaker 2: there so few traders in the trade? Where's everybody going
Speaker 2: to one three one eight seven three or on the
Speaker 2: text zero four six zero eight seven three eight seven three.
Speaker 2: Because Australia has a massive housing demand and supply problem
Speaker 2: with a huge lack of trades and a property expert
Speaker 2: Garth Davis is on the phone morning to you mate,
Speaker 2: So wa have this build a life in Wa trad
Speaker 2: incentive and there's ten k in involved in this too.
Speaker 2: Where does that come from?
Speaker 3: They offer ten thousand dollars to get people to move
Speaker 3: across obviously quite a long way to come so basically
Speaker 3: they get five grand once they arrive to help them
Speaker 3: with some in costs, and then there's a five grand
Speaker 3: later on once they place for a period of time.
Speaker 4: So it has been very successful so far.
Speaker 3: Particularly with people of New Zealand where some of their
Speaker 3: constructions slowed up a little bit. They've got they've got
Speaker 3: ability and access of excessive workers there and getting them
Speaker 3: through Western Australia and so far, so good.
Speaker 4: We're working really well.
Speaker 3: They seem to have had five main top occupations that
Speaker 3: have been so.
Speaker 4: Far through the program.
Speaker 3: That's been electricians, cops, plumbers, brick layers and earth moving
Speaker 3: plant operators.
Speaker 2: So ten grand for traders from New Zealand to relocate.
Speaker 2: This could be the answer nationwide. But why don't we
Speaker 2: have enough trades in Australia.
Speaker 4: Well that's a really good thing and look it's gain.
Speaker 3: We're finding that younger people are sort of moving away
Speaker 3: from those sort of more if we call them hard
Speaker 3: sort of outdoor brick laying jobs, contracuting jobs, preferring to
Speaker 3: try and get more the IT jobs and sort of
Speaker 3: desks and internal job.
Speaker 4: So the problem is there. It probably hasn't enough.
Speaker 3: Focus and the training roles around construction.
Speaker 4: Really also they have that really helps.
Speaker 3: Building and construction employers to cover the cost employing apprentice
Speaker 3: and trainees.
Speaker 4: So that no silver ball at harder.
Speaker 3: We get more tradees to build more properties, which we're
Speaker 3: desperate for. We need more properties for people to occupy
Speaker 3: and more properties for rental. And a huge part of
Speaker 3: that problem is around the supply. The problems around the supplies.
Speaker 3: We don't have enough tradees, so we to go and
Speaker 3: poach some.
Speaker 4: We're going to have.
Speaker 3: To incentivize some to come in country. But the longer
Speaker 3: term solution is that we actually need we need a
Speaker 3: lot of funding and really target around there and the
Speaker 3: training we've got to make that become very much more
Speaker 3: attractive for the younger people to come through those pathways.
Speaker 2: And how do the existing tradees in Australia feel about
Speaker 2: the scheme?
Speaker 4: But the way there's at the moment, there's a massive
Speaker 4: undersupply of them.
Speaker 3: I know for a fact one when I was at
Speaker 3: a lone recently and it's just some of the numbers
Speaker 3: really sort of blow your mind. The average of a
Speaker 3: brick layer in Western Australia is sixty two, So we
Speaker 3: do not have young enough people enough younger people coming
Speaker 3: through these these very important skills and jobs that need
Speaker 3: to be filled, and so it's becoming a big post
Speaker 3: zone a lot of cases, I don't think they establish
Speaker 3: people and the trades in the in the market share
Speaker 3: and the workforce have got a problem with that, in fact,
Speaker 3: getting over work.
Speaker 4: They're working maybe six days a week, seven days a week.
Speaker 3: They're really under pressure because we need we need these
Speaker 3: property builders are under pressure to produced them faster.
Speaker 4: They're putting trades under pressure.
Speaker 3: And it is there's stress because there's stress in the
Speaker 3: building industry because there's not enough trade. Ones that we
Speaker 3: do have are getting pushed too hard and you know,
Speaker 3: and that's not good too because it starts affecting their wealth,
Speaker 3: health and also the quality of the bills.
Speaker 2: And what about the employees. Are they keen for the
Speaker 2: hiring and overseas trading.
Speaker 3: Yes, again if the retape taken away from that. So
Speaker 3: they're desperately in most of the capital cities around the
Speaker 3: country and they're trying to bring in more labor. And
Speaker 3: it's this catch twenty two in Australia where we try
Speaker 3: to manage the immigration into the country because you know,
Speaker 3: part of the problem is we haven't managed well the
Speaker 3: housing supply and the immigration coming in, so we've had
Speaker 3: too much amission coming in and too little supply of
Speaker 3: dwellings and homes. So that's how we've got us into
Speaker 3: this problem. We've got too many people for the houses
Speaker 3: that we've got at the moment. That's the prices and
Speaker 3: the rents. So what we need to do is we
Speaker 3: do need to get these skilled labors. And it's not
Speaker 3: in construction, it's another specific trades and industries.
Speaker 4: But we need to be bringing in the right type
Speaker 4: of people.
Speaker 3: That can help us out of this problem because the
Speaker 3: only way we're going to get out of this problem
Speaker 3: is through supply and supply we need more skilled labor
Speaker 3: and you know in the civic areas again electricians, cop
Speaker 3: and as plumbers, bricklayers, earth movers, et cetera. And what
Speaker 3: we've got to do is bring in the right people
Speaker 3: in the right quantities so you can actually get the supply,
Speaker 3: but not further make it harder for finding residents and
Speaker 3: putting a roof over people's heads because if we're going
Speaker 3: to bring these trade is in got to live somewhere,
Speaker 3: so it has.
Speaker 4: To be managed very very carefully.
Speaker 3: And cutting the red tape that we can get them
Speaker 3: in quickly, get their right approvals, right training if they've
Speaker 3: got to do any slight conversions with their skills, and
Speaker 3: let's get these people on the tools and let's get
Speaker 3: building these homes that we desperately need.
Speaker 2: Okay, good to talk to you, Thanks so much. That's
Speaker 2: Garth Davis, their property expert and based in Western Australia,
Speaker 2: so that's a different side of the country. But they've
Speaker 2: got this builder life in Wa trading incentive paying ten
Speaker 2: k to tradees from New Zealand to relocate phone's open
Speaker 2: one three one eight seven three. Why is it that
Speaker 2: we don't have enough tradees? What's the issue?
Speaker 4: Is it?
Speaker 2: Like Garth says that they don't want to do the work,
Speaker 2: they want to go into it. And would you as
Speaker 2: an employer, would you hire an overseas trade And if
Speaker 2: you've got that ten k out miss leave, would it
Speaker 2: be worth it? One three one eight seven three give
Speaker 2: us a ring. Let us know what you think. Morning, John,
Speaker 2: you're in Brisbane. What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 4: Mate?
Speaker 5: Well, I have a story to tell. It's in relation
Speaker 5: to to Indian tradesmen and I I'm in Brisbane and
Speaker 5: this neighbor who is an Indian and he only hired
Speaker 5: Indian tradesmen. I was intimidated and threatened on so many occasions.
Speaker 5: I had the police come out. I live on an
Speaker 5: easement and they kept parking me in with all the
Speaker 5: big vehicle from that the neighbor was building a granny
Speaker 5: flat in his backyard and I was constantly couldn't get
Speaker 5: out of my property on the easement because they had
Speaker 5: all their vehicles right parked right in front of my garage.
Speaker 5: And I had the police come out a couple times,
Speaker 5: which they weren't helpful at all, the Queensland Police. And
Speaker 5: I was a victim of these and there was so
Speaker 5: much anti white racism from these Indians. There was about
Speaker 5: six or seven of these Indian tradesmen that turned up
Speaker 5: regularly to do this work. It's all over now, but
Speaker 5: it lasted about a year and a half and all
Speaker 5: they could do was to threaten me and intimidate me
Speaker 5: all the time. They would not move their vehicles. The
Speaker 5: police came out, as I said, on three occasions, nothing
Speaker 5: really was done, and there was so much anti white
Speaker 5: racism because Indian tradesmen.
Speaker 2: Can I ask Johnny you an employer and then he
Speaker 2: use somebody that runs.
Speaker 5: A I'm a victim of overseas tradesmen. The company is
Speaker 5: I won't say anything about that. I just on the
Speaker 5: armor victim. It was the neighbor of someone who was
Speaker 5: putting in a getting a granny flat put into their backyard.
Speaker 2: I leave it there, job, and I appreciate your cool.
Speaker 2: Let's get to Brian, who's on the Gold Coast. So, Brian,
Speaker 2: are you in a position where you can run a
Speaker 2: company and would you hire an overseas trading.
Speaker 6: No, I would you hire an overseas trading because I
Speaker 6: think the problem is that there's just not enough incentives
Speaker 6: for business to put on apprentices. I help run a
Speaker 6: joinery shop on the Gold Coast and we have a
Speaker 6: couple of apprentices here, and that's the only way we
Speaker 6: can find we can train apprentices to become good tradees
Speaker 6: without without having to source people that are Prima Donna's
Speaker 6: really why.
Speaker 2: Don't people want to get into the end of the trade.
Speaker 6: Because I think at school it's all promoted that they've
Speaker 6: all got to go to UNI. To go to UNI.
Speaker 6: The trades aren't promoted, you know. I don't want to
Speaker 6: found lot my grandfather. But years and years ago, when
Speaker 6: I did my prenticeship at the end of year ten,
Speaker 6: they said you were a trade there's no point in
Speaker 6: doing year twelve and become a trading and that's what
Speaker 6: we did.
Speaker 2: That's right. That the same thing with me when I
Speaker 2: was a kid, and that was, you know, if you
Speaker 2: didn't want to go on and do the next couple
Speaker 2: of years, then you pretty much had yourself a job
Speaker 2: at least a guarantee of a job for a while.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I don't think I think doing year twelve
Speaker 6: would have been great for everybody. I think it still is.
Speaker 6: But they need to promote trading so it's not just
Speaker 6: a downgraded career from what going to UNI is because
Speaker 6: there's a lot of trading making a lot more money
Speaker 6: than what the people out in union make.
Speaker 2: Well, that's it. And that was the other thing I
Speaker 2: said with Garth was, you know, he talked about people
Speaker 2: going into it, but there's still a lot of cash
Speaker 2: if you want to get into the industry. It's not
Speaker 2: like there's not any money to be made here, and
Speaker 2: there's a lot of money, and you get yourself in
Speaker 2: the right position, you can you know, pretty much ask
Speaker 2: you for your own price. So why isn't there this incentive?
Speaker 2: Why aren't a kids seeing this? Do you think it's
Speaker 2: because it seems like too much hard work?
Speaker 6: I think it's one government. They're not promoting it enough
Speaker 6: and not enough incentive for a bit for the apprentice
Speaker 6: as well as the employer. And I think that some
Speaker 6: kids are scare the hard work there really are. They're
Speaker 6: thinking that yuni is an easy way, because it's not
Speaker 6: easy doing the trade. It is hard work. And believe
Speaker 6: it or not, I tell the apprentices here, you'll learn
Speaker 6: more the first four years out of your apprenticeship than
Speaker 6: what you ever did in the four years of it.
Speaker 2: Of course that's right, and that's why it's a according
Speaker 2: apprenticeship because it's training in more ways than just the
Speaker 2: physical side of it.
Speaker 6: Too correct And once you've finished, you're in the position
Speaker 6: where you've got to make the decisions you'll pay as
Speaker 6: a tradesman. You've got to make it work and you
Speaker 6: apply the skills that you've learned the four first four
Speaker 6: years and you make it happen.
Speaker 2: So if somebody offered you ten k your business ten
Speaker 2: k to get yourself some trade is from New Zealand
Speaker 2: to relocate. Would you consider the idea, would you.
Speaker 4: Toy with it?
Speaker 6: I absolutely would consider it. Yeah, But you've just got
Speaker 6: to have a think about how good are those tradees.
Speaker 6: That's the problem you have as well. Right, the trade
Speaker 6: is coming in from overseas. Some of them are very good,
Speaker 6: but some of them aren't very good either.
Speaker 2: Right, and then you don't know what you've got. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I get it. You don't. Suddenly you've got this, you know,
Speaker 2: and now you've got this commitment and this obligation, and
Speaker 2: they've given you the ten k, and then you find
Speaker 2: yourself with, you know, somebody who's not very good. So
Speaker 2: there's the downside there, mate. Good to Toalch. You appreciate
Speaker 2: you cool, Thank you so much, Brian for twenty nine.
Speaker 2: Let's get to the newsrooms after this. Twenty eight minutes
Speaker 2: to four. I'm twenty an minutes to five. Quickly get
Speaker 2: out of bed, ben Fordham, he's here at five point thirty.
Speaker 2: Mike Levy immediately following that, Bruce on the Tech says,
Speaker 2: any young person who becomes a trade will end up
Speaker 2: with a house. Other young people who are not tradees
Speaker 2: probably won't get a house. To be nice and cut
Speaker 2: and try there another one that came in here too
Speaker 2: from Sharon, just talking about the ten k for a
Speaker 2: trade initiative in Western Australia. They could have false documentation
Speaker 2: or fake certificates. Money is the root of all evil.
Speaker 2: We need to employ our first, our own first. Well
Speaker 2: that's the problem, Sharon is nobody wants to do it. However,
Speaker 2: Brad does. Brad sent me an email here. I'm a
Speaker 2: trade in Sydney and I think it's the greatest job ever.
Speaker 2: Good on your Brad. I'm on the Northern Beaches and
Speaker 2: it's difficult to get employees. I think a lot of
Speaker 2: kids want to be the white collared workers. But trade
Speaker 2: work is great. You can earn great money without having
Speaker 2: to do a Uni degree costs a lot of money
Speaker 2: and probably will leave you with a lower wage. Good
Speaker 2: on your Brad. Thanks for that positive attitude. And the
Speaker 2: thing is too, you know, pretty much guaranteed of some
Speaker 2: decent coin down the track too. Bit of hard work
Speaker 2: first few years, like any job, like anything in life,
Speaker 2: the first few years, sure, it's difficult. End of it
Speaker 2: could be the light at the end of the tunnel,
Speaker 2: could be the means that justifies the ends. If I'm
Speaker 2: turning too much like your dad. I apologize for that.
Speaker 2: Twenty seven minutes to five, let's get to the news room.
Speaker 2: It's singular this morning. We don't have Melbourne, but we
Speaker 2: do have Sydney.
Speaker 1: And now on Wake Up Australia News Today, which.
Speaker 2: Is represented by Sasha Foot in the two GB newsroom.
Speaker 2: Morning Sasha, what have we got?
Speaker 7: Good morning?
Speaker 2: Feel us.
Speaker 7: President Donald Trump is calling on Iran to unconditionally surrender
Speaker 7: its hostilities in the Middle East intensify. Mister Trump claims
Speaker 7: they now have a They now have complete and total
Speaker 7: control over the skies of Iran. A man is jew
Speaker 7: in court today accused of hitting a pedestrian at an
Speaker 7: intersection and failing to stop in Sydney's Southwest. Paramedics treated
Speaker 7: a seventy year old man at the scene in Glenfield
Speaker 7: before taking him to hospital, where he later died. And
Speaker 7: a woman has been killed when the car she was
Speaker 7: driving lost control along the Bruce Highway in Mackay before
Speaker 7: coming to a stop on railway tracks. Two children inside
Speaker 7: the car are being treated for minor injuries in hospital.
Speaker 7: Feel more news at the top of the hour.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Sasha. Football don't have anything in Melbourne at
Speaker 2: three aw this morning and do have breaking news coming
Speaker 2: through from Sky News. The White House said this situation
Speaker 2: room meeting is underway. The US State Department are having
Speaker 2: a briefing amid the Iran Israel conflict. According to Tammy Bruce,
Speaker 2: the spokesperson for the US State Department, the State Department
Speaker 2: has said that Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon. That's
Speaker 2: where we're at at this particular stage and watching this
Speaker 2: on three screens in the studio. I'll bring your details
Speaker 2: of anything that happens as it happens.
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Speaker 2: Adrian sigichik Will, who jointly won the A League Golden
Speaker 2: Boot with thirteen goals, It's decided to leave Sydney FC
Speaker 2: for the English club Portsmouth. That's a big call. Hope
Speaker 2: he's not going for the beach because he's going to
Speaker 2: find out may have had some better beaches in Sydney.
Speaker 2: But nonetheless it's a good deal. He's got twenty one
Speaker 2: years of age, got a four year deal with the
Speaker 2: Championship club. He's got to do the medical obviously. He'll
Speaker 2: join fellow Australians Hayden Matthews, Thomas Waddingham and Jacob Farrell
Speaker 2: at Portsmouth. Good team Portsmouth too, I mean, not a
Speaker 2: great place to live, not a terrific beach, but you
Speaker 2: know he's going to be playing football, so nonetheless, I
Speaker 2: think it's a great idea good decision which was influenced
Speaker 2: by the presence of those teammates and the chance to
Speaker 2: play under the manager John Mussinho, who chose Portsmouth over
Speaker 2: the European clubs, and this will be Chick's second time
Speaker 2: playing overseas. Haven't been on loan at the Dutch club
Speaker 2: door tracked in the twenty three twenty four season. Okay,
Speaker 2: again not great beaches in the Dutch club, but some
Speaker 2: nice windmills there. You gave you up to date twenty
Speaker 2: four minutes to five ben Fordham coming up at five
Speaker 2: point thirty with Mike Levy currently eleven degrees in Brisbane
Speaker 2: as they get ready for the state of origin. I
Speaker 2: wonder who signed Peter Figan from four BC is going
Speaker 2: to be on this side, because I mean, I'm going
Speaker 2: to be honest, you were a little bit of a
Speaker 2: turncoat at the last game.
Speaker 9: No, no, no, no, no, never, never a turncoat.
Speaker 10: No.
Speaker 11: I was just upset, Phil, I was just upset because
Speaker 11: we're actually passionate about state of origin here in Queensland,
Speaker 11: unlike New South Wales.
Speaker 9: Too much winning.
Speaker 11: But anyway, yeah, why would New South Wales care about origin?
Speaker 11: I remember all those years, that eight years in a
Speaker 11: row that we dominated, and then we had one year
Speaker 11: off and then another five years of domination. So I
Speaker 11: understand that you're all a little sour about it, but
Speaker 11: I would never be a turncoat. I've got my proudly
Speaker 11: wearing my origin jumping this morning.
Speaker 2: The last time we spoke about this, you said, I'm
Speaker 2: not sure how the guy is going to go. I
Speaker 2: don't know how the games. You were crying poor before loser, Phil.
Speaker 9: Of course I saw loser. Of course, that's what I'm
Speaker 9: going to say.
Speaker 11: You know, I've copped it from Levy yesterday giving it
Speaker 11: to me. I've coppying it from everybody because I'm passionate,
Speaker 11: you know, that's what and that's easy for them to
Speaker 11: get to me. But anyone in New South Wales wearing
Speaker 11: a jersey this morning in the studios.
Speaker 9: I doubt I doubt it.
Speaker 11: I'm proudly wearing my Queensland jumper ready, But that's because
Speaker 11: it's warm there.
Speaker 2: It's cold here. We have cold weather down south. So
Speaker 2: Lev is lev out?
Speaker 12: There?
Speaker 4: Is he? No?
Speaker 9: Lev's not here?
Speaker 12: No, I can't.
Speaker 2: He noticed he wasn't in his office, so I thought
Speaker 2: he must.
Speaker 11: Know he would be over. He'd be over calling the football.
Speaker 11: I'd suggest tonight was called team.
Speaker 2: I thought you said when you'd seen him.
Speaker 9: I thought, well, that's why it was texting me. He
Speaker 9: loves to stir me up.
Speaker 2: So let's talk about state of origin before we go
Speaker 2: anywhere else. You've got the injured star Ben Hunt, and
Speaker 2: also the King himself, Wally Lewis.
Speaker 11: Why wouldn't you talk to Wally Lewis on state of
Speaker 11: orig I'm just going to pick Wally's mind and just
Speaker 11: see if we can delve back a little into the
Speaker 11: history books of State of Origin and just find a
Speaker 11: moment where Wally and the Queenslanders were in a similar situation.
Speaker 11: Because I have to say, for the Queenslanders, we love this.
Speaker 11: We're backs against the wall. We can't do this. We're
Speaker 11: told we're terrible, worst team. We sacked our captain. You know,
Speaker 11: all these things just play beautifully into our hands, I
Speaker 11: have to say. So I just want to delve back
Speaker 11: a little deeper with Wally Lewis and just go back
Speaker 11: through the history books and find a moment that Wally
Speaker 11: was in the similar situation and also just.
Speaker 9: On our captain.
Speaker 11: And I'm sick and tired of people in New South
Speaker 11: Wales criticizing Billy for dumping a captain and New South
Speaker 11: Wales saying, oh, they won't they're not loyal, blah blah blah.
Speaker 11: What about James Tedesco sacked by New South Wales? Where's
Speaker 11: Trevoivitch this year? Last year's captain didn't even wasn't even
Speaker 11: selected this year. So it's you know, you're pointing the
Speaker 11: finger at a stand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you raise your king, Wally Lewis, and I'll raise
Speaker 2: our King, the Great Mark Geyer MG, who still asked
Speaker 2: every single day and runs into people. What about that incident?
Speaker 9: We actually had them on together here last origin.
Speaker 11: I stitched up MG and I got MG on and
Speaker 11: we were talking about that moment, and then all of
Speaker 11: a sudden, I said, oh MG, I've just got to
Speaker 11: call through. Someone's just going through and it was Wally.
Speaker 11: It was quite funny. Actually, you know, in fairness they
Speaker 11: get along quite well. But I've both got a shave field.
Speaker 11: I've got to say we need a bit of that
Speaker 11: at the moment. I mean, the Aaron Woods Billy Slater
Speaker 11: feud is about all we've had. That's about all the
Speaker 11: that's about all the theatrics we've had over the last
Speaker 11: sort of month. And that's turned a little That's turned
Speaker 11: a little sour now, hasn't it. So we need a
Speaker 11: bit of that. I think we need a bit of spice.
Speaker 11: We need to fire up a little bit.
Speaker 2: You're saying, bring back the boff is what you're saying.
Speaker 9: Well, bring I'm saying, bring back the sledging.
Speaker 11: That's what we haven't had anyone come out and say
Speaker 11: I'm going to do this and I'm going to do that.
Speaker 11: I mean, besides Spencer Lenu, who's the Reserve's got seventeen
Speaker 11: on his back. I mean, you know, to suggest that
Speaker 11: Queensland's scared of him is ridiculous, but.
Speaker 2: I've had He's the target, according to the front page
Speaker 2: of the Career made Good. All right, let's talk about
Speaker 2: a couple of other things. Spending changing in the last decade.
Speaker 2: KPMG have released new data. What's the final Well, what do.
Speaker 11: You think that people the ages of twenty five to
Speaker 11: thirty four would be spending their money on? And this
Speaker 11: is this is an age group that we're all quite
Speaker 11: critical of, Phil, But what do you think they're spending
Speaker 11: most of their money on? I would go for they're
Speaker 11: spending most of their money on going out take away?
Speaker 2: You know, you need surprised, No, you'd be surprised. It's
Speaker 2: a completely different generation. It's when we were that age.
Speaker 2: I mean, these people have grown up and responsible.
Speaker 11: They are and it makes me feel like what was
Speaker 11: I doing when I was that age? Because I wasn't
Speaker 11: spending money on home loans. I was paying rent. But
Speaker 11: they are spending the majority of their money on saving
Speaker 11: up for home loans and homelans. That's age twenty five
Speaker 11: to thirty four. Let's move to like a higher age bracket.
Speaker 11: Let's see someone like fifty five to sixty four ben
Speaker 11: Fordham's group.
Speaker 9: What do you think they're spending on?
Speaker 2: I can't believe you've just lunt been for them into
Speaker 2: a sixty four. I mean, like that hanging in the
Speaker 2: air there for a long.
Speaker 9: No, but that's an origin sledge.
Speaker 11: Now, what do you think fifty five to sixty four
Speaker 11: are spending their money on, philm.
Speaker 2: Well, probably they've got more money than that generation because
Speaker 2: they would have, except for me, paid off their house.
Speaker 2: So I would imagine that they've got more money to
Speaker 2: spend holidays and things like that.
Speaker 9: Well you'd think so.
Speaker 11: But unfortunately, and I hope this isn't a sign of
Speaker 11: the times. And something that you and I are going
Speaker 11: to have to look forward to is they're spending most
Speaker 11: of their money on home loan repayments. So it would
Speaker 11: see that most people are getting bogged down now with
Speaker 11: higher interest rates and longer terms on their loans, and
Speaker 11: they're taking so long to.
Speaker 9: Pay it off. So this is seriously interesting.
Speaker 11: The work that KPMG have done here on this report
Speaker 11: is tremendous. They have delved very deep into people spending habits,
Speaker 11: and I have to say it is extremely interesting. So
Speaker 11: we're going to have a look at that this morning
Speaker 11: and ask people generally what they're spending their money on.
Speaker 11: And I hope, I hope that people aren't just spending
Speaker 11: their entire lives working just to pay off their mortgage.
Speaker 11: Because Unfortunately, that's what they call living to die. And
Speaker 11: you know, it's a sad sat of affairs if that's
Speaker 11: the case.
Speaker 2: The Chief nine chief political reporter, Charles Croucher just frequently
Speaker 2: he is joining you, going to talk about where you're
Speaker 2: going to talk about Anthony Alberanzi being left high and dry.
Speaker 2: That's the bigges story of the Gison.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 11: Look, Phil, I've got to say, everyone seems to think
Speaker 11: that he had to you know, Donald Trump had to
Speaker 11: take off. Look, if he was taking us seriously enough,
Speaker 11: Donald Trump would have stopped and spent a bit of
Speaker 11: time with Anthony Alberanzi. There's a deeper issue here, and
Speaker 11: I think that is that he just doesn't take us
Speaker 11: seriously enough. And I think that he's just not interested
Speaker 11: in sitting down with Anthony Abernese. It's not on the
Speaker 11: top of his priority list. In also, when you hear
Speaker 11: Anthony Alberesi doing press conferences suggesting that he's taken advice
Speaker 11: from Kevin Rudd, I just don't think.
Speaker 9: That sits well with the administration. I don't This is
Speaker 9: a guy that called him a trader.
Speaker 2: To the West. You said he whose name should not
Speaker 2: be said, mate, good to touch you, Peter, good luck tonight, Enjoy,
Speaker 2: thank you, enjoy. Yeah, you know, two losses in a
Speaker 2: row and good to to Peter Vegan four BC bristin
Speaker 2: Brisbane breakfast show host and in Sydney two GB. Of
Speaker 2: course the Great ben Fordham this morning at five point thirty,
Speaker 2: which about forty five minutes away, sixteen minutes to five
Speaker 2: now fourteen minutes to five. So in New South Wales
Speaker 2: people are going to there. They're the boxes that they're
Speaker 2: getting speeding fines, but they're not speeding fines. They look
Speaker 2: like them. They're a slap on the wrist. Peter Corey's
Speaker 2: on the phone from the NRMA morning Mate. Is this
Speaker 2: a scam?
Speaker 9: No, it's not.
Speaker 10: And look it's one of the things the NMA fought
Speaker 10: four was if you're going to introduce a new speed
Speaker 10: camera at a location, you need to notify the community
Speaker 10: and you also need to have a period of sending
Speaker 10: out warning letters to people who have driven past that
Speaker 10: location and we're speeding, because often these cameras go into
Speaker 10: locations that people aren't familiar with. Sometimes they go into
Speaker 10: locations where the speed limit has changed, and in the
Speaker 10: case of the trial of four point to point or
Speaker 10: average speed locations.
Speaker 13: For the first time ever, they're turning them on for cars.
Speaker 10: So what the government is doing is exactly what the
Speaker 10: NRMA told them to do, which is when you introduce
Speaker 10: a new camera to a location, let the public know
Speaker 10: and for a period of time and normally it's three months,
Speaker 10: issue a warning letter.
Speaker 2: As you say, people don't know it's there.
Speaker 13: Absolutely, people don't know what's there.
Speaker 10: So a really good example is the Rosel inter change,
Speaker 10: which is what some of the media have commented on
Speaker 10: this week. So that's a location in a tunnel. So
Speaker 10: there's not a warning sign in front of the camera.
Speaker 10: It's somewhere in the tunnel. You don't know where, and
Speaker 10: it can be confusing for a lot of drivers. It's
Speaker 10: a new road, it's a new part of the tunnel.
Speaker 10: Some part of it is sixty, some part is ninety.
Speaker 10: The camera is in the sixty part, not the ninety part,
Speaker 10: which it opens questions are there, and so that's really that,
Speaker 10: you know, we give people an opportunity to understand that
Speaker 10: there is new enforcement in the area in something that's
Speaker 10: a new road. In some cases where we've seen they
Speaker 10: put a camera in a road where they change the
Speaker 10: speed limit and thousands of thousands of people were getting
Speaker 10: fined because you know, locals didn't know they changed the
Speaker 10: speed limit, and we wanted to put an end to that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and oftentimes you don't know whether or not you're
Speaker 2: actually speeding if you go through the tunnel. A good
Speaker 2: example of that is if you suddenly look down and
Speaker 2: you realize you're five k's over, or in the case
Speaker 2: of the motorbike, if you want to get past someone
Speaker 2: to save your life and you have to do that,
Speaker 2: so you've got to go five k's over the speed limit.
Speaker 2: Does it give you that leeway or was it as
Speaker 2: soon as it's picked you up and you're speeding there
Speaker 2: and then you get yourself the fine.
Speaker 13: Look, there is some leeway.
Speaker 10: There has to be because a Domini readings are not accurate,
Speaker 10: and the cameras to a millimeter of your life aren't
Speaker 10: accurate either, So there's a disconnect between what your a
Speaker 10: domitor is telling your speed domitter is telling you sorry.
Speaker 13: And what the actual camera is picking up.
Speaker 4: So there will always.
Speaker 13: Be some degree of leeway. You should never get fined
Speaker 13: doing sixty one in a sixty zone, for example.
Speaker 10: The last thing we need is people focused exclusively putting
Speaker 10: their eyes on the speedometer because they're terrified they're one
Speaker 10: k over the limit. That's not safe for anybody. So
Speaker 10: there is a degree of leeway. I don't think the
Speaker 10: government will actually ever announce how wide that is. But
Speaker 10: what we tell our members and the community is stick
Speaker 10: to the speed limit and as best as you know,
Speaker 10: obviously to the kilometer, and you should be fine.
Speaker 2: But if you're in a situation like I mentioned on
Speaker 2: the bike, where you've suddenly got to speed up in
Speaker 2: order not to get caught in an accident, could you
Speaker 2: use that as a defense in court?
Speaker 10: Do you think if it went that far, it'd have
Speaker 10: to be pretty specific? So, I mean, what you're talking
Speaker 10: about is an incident where you're about to have an
Speaker 10: accident where you had to speed up. I'm not sure
Speaker 10: how often that would happen, and it would all happen
Speaker 10: right in front of the lens of a camera. So
Speaker 10: I mean our advice is, you know, if you're at risks,
Speaker 10: slow down, don't speed up right.
Speaker 2: And in New South Wales they've got these speed cameras
Speaker 2: predominantly used for heavy vehicles like trucks and buses. But
Speaker 2: this trial, that's underway for regional areas is now going
Speaker 2: to include cars and motor bikes as well.
Speaker 13: Yeah, that's right. So the point to point cameras or average.
Speaker 10: Speed cameras have been rolled out across New South Wales
Speaker 10: and used for trucks for a number of years. The
Speaker 10: government is looking to run a trial, or has been
Speaker 10: running a trial in four locations across regional New South
Speaker 10: Wales to apply those cameras to vehicles, to cars and
Speaker 10: to bikes. They have also been issuing warning letters to
Speaker 10: people who drove through those location speedting but that all
Speaker 10: changes on the first of July.
Speaker 13: So if you go through that location.
Speaker 10: In your speeding you will get you'll be fined. You'll
Speaker 10: get demerit points and a monetary fine like you normally would.
Speaker 10: And the way those cameras work is there's a camera
Speaker 10: at point A, there's a camera at point B.
Speaker 13: It works out the average speed betwe between the.
Speaker 10: Two and if you cross those two locations faster than
Speaker 10: you should, you'll be usue to find Let me ask.
Speaker 2: You this quickly, Well, I've got you. We talked about
Speaker 2: this on air the other night that in Adelaide, in
Speaker 2: some residential areas they're looking at putting the speed limits
Speaker 2: down to forty kilometers an hour in some areas and
Speaker 2: some areas thirty kilometers an hour, and we were talking
Speaker 2: about whether reducing the speed in residential areas to that
Speaker 2: speed limit is actually more detrimental, that it's actually going
Speaker 2: to cause more accidents because you're constantly aware looking down
Speaker 2: at your spaedometera, worrying about trying to keep within the limits.
Speaker 10: And here in lies the challenge. And this is the
Speaker 10: nmas yew on. This has been consistent from day one.
Speaker 10: Councils should not be arbitrarily changing speed limits in their
Speaker 10: local area to deem forty k zones or as you mentioned,
Speaker 10: thirty k zones. Even more so, you need a consistent
Speaker 10: approach when it comes to putting speed limits, whether they
Speaker 10: go up or down. It needs to be evidence based.
Speaker 10: It needs to be driven by data. And what I
Speaker 10: mean by that is you need to look at the
Speaker 10: performance of the road, the traffic volumes, because that's really
Speaker 10: important because that gives you a sense of whether you
Speaker 10: speed should be sixty or seventy or fifty, keeping in
Speaker 10: mind school zones are forty.
Speaker 13: It needs you need to look at the crash history
Speaker 13: and it needs to be done over an.
Speaker 10: Extended period of time so that the speed is set
Speaker 10: at the appropriate level for the quality of that road.
Speaker 13: And before you start changing speed limits, you should.
Speaker 10: Be looking at whether or not there are engineering solutions
Speaker 10: things we can do to make the road safer. This
Speaker 10: arbitrary approach of just randomly dropping speed limits in some
Speaker 10: locations and all the others is not going to deliver
Speaker 10: road safety outcomes. What it's going to do is create
Speaker 10: confusion in the community. People, as I said, start having
Speaker 10: to guess what the speed limit is in the local area.
Speaker 10: And that's unfortunately the path that we're going down. Councils
Speaker 10: are just slashing speed limits in some locations. Some roads
Speaker 10: are forty, some roads are fifty. You can't tell the
Speaker 10: difference between the two. Some roads that should.
Speaker 13: Be fifty or sixty you have dropped or forty.
Speaker 10: Some roads are really good to drive on, but the
Speaker 10: speed limits just been dropped with no real explanation.
Speaker 13: So that's not what we want.
Speaker 10: We want consistency when it comes to speed limits. The
Speaker 10: decision should be evidence based, not arbitrary, and that should
Speaker 10: apply whether you're putting speed limits up or down. And
Speaker 10: I consistently say up because in the case of West
Speaker 10: Connects the speed limits and North Connects the speed limits
Speaker 10: went up to ninety kilometers an hour off the back
Speaker 10: of a year's analysis to decide whether or not they
Speaker 10: were safe enough to be ninety or not eighty. That's
Speaker 10: the approach we should be taking. They're not doing it here,
Speaker 10: and it's going to lead to pour out.
Speaker 2: And also you've got the lack of consistency as well.
Speaker 2: If you think a road is a certain limit and
Speaker 2: in the next day it's changed without any warning, half
Speaker 2: the time you don't know. Like you say, if you're
Speaker 2: moving from variable speed limits from one suburb to the next,
Speaker 2: it's hard to keep up with which speed limit you're
Speaker 2: supposed to keep too on your regular drive to work.
Speaker 10: The previous government removed warning signs for mobile speed cameras.
Speaker 10: They were finding more people in a month than they
Speaker 10: were in a year, and overwhelmingly the feedback we got
Speaker 10: from the public was were guessing the speed limit, which
Speaker 10: we didn't know what the speed. They were putting these
Speaker 10: things in suburban streets where people were either lived there
Speaker 10: for years and just thought the speed limit was what
Speaker 10: it was, or in areas where the speed limits had
Speaker 10: been adjusted and the cameras were just dropped in without
Speaker 10: any warning people. You don't want drivers guessing the speed
Speaker 10: limb and the more we change speed limits, the more
Speaker 10: it's the more arbitrary it becomes. Where each council just
Speaker 10: chooses to put whatever speeds they want in their own LGA.
Speaker 10: With the inconsistency causes confusion. Confusion cause is both unsafety
Speaker 10: and also you lose support for the enforcement program because
Speaker 10: it feels like they're just finding you in areas where
Speaker 10: they can.
Speaker 2: Ran could have taught you that pity career there from
Speaker 2: the NRMA. Any thoughts on that you can text me
Speaker 2: now zero four six zero eight seven three eight seven
Speaker 2: three it's five to five one minute to five. Joyce
Speaker 2: says on the text. The only reason New South Wales
Speaker 2: can brag is because you've got about ten teams to
Speaker 2: get players from. We've got three. A lot of our
Speaker 2: best players have retired due to injury age. We're training
Speaker 2: new guys. That's the reason why New South Wales can
Speaker 2: be at the moment really gleeing. New South Wales was
Speaker 2: in the same position eight years ago. It's a bit early,
Speaker 2: isn't it, to cry, poor joy We'll wait and see
Speaker 2: what happens. A little bit later on tonight with the
Speaker 2: State of Origin, ste said, Phil read the speed and
Speaker 2: revenue cameras. Have you heard of the blade runners in
Speaker 2: the UK? I haven't, stew Let me google that and
Speaker 2: see some more information about that. Then I can give
Speaker 2: you a comment. And also Gaz says well, Albow must
Speaker 2: be talking to world leaders about trade and defense. Must
Speaker 2: be the first time in twenty years that climate change
Speaker 2: didn't make it to the press release. How the activists
Speaker 2: have lost interest? First Greta and now Albow. That came
Speaker 2: in from Gazz there too, and also got one from Ruth. Ruth,
Speaker 2: I'll have a look at your text. In just a moment,
Speaker 2: we're going to get to the news update and find
Speaker 2: out what's going on in your newsroom and also more
Speaker 2: out of a look at the overnight news as it's
Speaker 2: been breaking while you've been asleep.
Speaker 1: This on two GB, four BC and network stations. This
Speaker 1: is Wake Up Australia with Phill O'Neill.
Speaker 2: Hello, Yes here, we are middle of the week, almost
Speaker 2: the middle of the year too. It's Wednesday, the eighteenth
Speaker 2: of June and it's a little bit cold everywhere. Eight
Speaker 2: degrees in Sydney feels like five eleven in Brisbane feels
Speaker 2: like eleven. But things are about to get warm with
Speaker 2: the state of Origin. Margaret just wanted to respond to
Speaker 2: Joy's text before and said, what's Joy talking about? She says,
Speaker 2: Queensland has three teams to get players from the state
Speaker 2: of origin. For start, Queensland has four teams in Queensland
Speaker 2: can get players from any ANRL club because the player
Speaker 2: could be originally from Queensland. So the RG Bargie's getting
Speaker 2: set to kick off. The great Man Mike leave you
Speaker 2: with a continuous call later on tonight at the state
Speaker 2: of Origin getting us in that direction. The other great
Speaker 2: man number one breakfast announcer in Sydney, Ben Fordham coming
Speaker 2: up at five point thirty this morning, Levy after him,
Speaker 2: Peter Vegan four BC in Brisbane and state of origin
Speaker 2: is what everybody's talking about when they're not talking about politics,
Speaker 2: of course, And if you're going to talk about politics
Speaker 2: while you've got to talk about Donald Trump, how can
Speaker 2: you not This is some of the things that have
Speaker 2: been happening overnight while you've been asleep. Donald Trump, who
Speaker 2: was in Calgary for the G seven meeting, decided not
Speaker 2: to have his meeting with Anthony Albanesi or the Indian
Speaker 2: Prime Minister, or Vladimir Zelensky for that matter. Donald Trump
Speaker 2: decided to get on the plane and head back to Washington,
Speaker 2: where he's convened with his security council, and they're talking
Speaker 2: about the next port of call, next bit of action.
Speaker 2: What that is is anybody's guest. Donald Trump tweeted out
Speaker 2: on his truth Social that we know exactly where the
Speaker 2: so called Supreme Leader is hiding. He's an easy target,
Speaker 2: but is safe there. We're not going to take him
Speaker 2: out in brackets kill at least not for an hour.
Speaker 2: But we don't want missiles shot at civilians or American soldiers.
Speaker 2: Our patients is wearing thin. Thank you for your attention
Speaker 2: to this matter, says Trump on truth Social. He also
Speaker 2: said he went onto tweet later on we want unconditional surrender,
Speaker 2: and we have taken control of the skies over Iran.
Speaker 2: It's not very much happening at the moment. It's a
Speaker 2: pivotal moment in the Israel Iran conflict, and a lot
Speaker 2: of it seems to be also on the show to
Speaker 2: the shoulders and the focus of Donald Trump at this
Speaker 2: particular stage, nothing. I expected to maybe some more information
Speaker 2: throughout the morning and overnight, nothing came into us. I've
Speaker 2: been keeping an eye on all of the channels that
Speaker 2: I've got going on here in the studio, got your CNN,
Speaker 2: Fox News, and your Sky News. But at this particular stage,
Speaker 2: nothing going on. Although Fox News have got themselves the
Speaker 2: nice little graphic going on at the moment and they
Speaker 2: are talking about bunker busters. What's going to happen, don't know.
Speaker 2: Stay tuned this radio station throughout the day to find
Speaker 2: out what's going on. In the meantime, Iran's eighty six
Speaker 2: year old Supreme leader, Aetola al Phamini, seen his major
Speaker 2: military and security advisors killed by Israeli air strikes, so
Speaker 2: he's at the moment cutting a lonely figure. This leaves
Speaker 2: major holes in his inner circle and raises the risk
Speaker 2: of strategic errors, according to five people familiar with his
Speaker 2: decision making process. In the meantime, US forces have pulled
Speaker 2: out of two more bases in northeastern Syria, accelerating the
Speaker 2: troop withdrawal that the commander of the US backed Syrian
Speaker 2: Kurdish forces said was allowing a resurgence of Islamic State.
Speaker 2: Donald Trump has called for Iran's unconditional surrender, warning that
Speaker 2: the US patients is wearing thin, but there's no immediate
Speaker 2: intention right now to kill the Iran leader. As the
Speaker 2: Israel Iran war wages on now for the fifth day,
Speaker 2: fifth day, it feels like it's been going along, that
Speaker 2: doesn't it. Israeli Defense Minister Israel Katz said meanwhile that
Speaker 2: Iran Supreme Leader could face the same fate as the
Speaker 2: Iraqi President Sudam Hussein did when the US toppled the
Speaker 2: Iraq in that invasion in two thousand and six. Ukrainian
Speaker 2: President Vladimir Zelenski's arrived in Canada hoping to meet up
Speaker 2: with Donald Trump, same as Albo did. No Donald Trump there.
Speaker 2: In the meantime, Zelenski has urged the Group of Seven
Speaker 2: to provide more backing for the war against Russia. Even
Speaker 2: after US President Donald Trump left the summit heading home
Speaker 2: the G seven nations, the Wealthy Nation struggled to find
Speaker 2: unity over the conflict in Ukraine, as Trump expressed support
Speaker 2: for Russian President Vladimir Putin and also has imposed tariffs
Speaker 2: on many of his allies. In the meantime, as you know,
Speaker 2: Albo was hoping to catch up with Donald Trump. It
Speaker 2: didn't happen, and that prompted this response from both Richard
Speaker 2: Miles and Susan Lee.
Speaker 1: Well, this is essentially the American president needing to deal
Speaker 1: with what is obviously.
Speaker 9: Playing out in the world today.
Speaker 12: We shouldn't be reading more into it than that.
Speaker 14: It should not be left for Australia to just seek
Speaker 14: meetings as important as this on the sidelines of an
Speaker 14: international summit ran as.
Speaker 2: Far as far as the escalating Israel Iran conflict is going.
Speaker 2: I had a chant yesterday afternoon with doctor Benzala, the
Speaker 2: senior lecturer in international relations at Monash School of Social Sciences.
Speaker 2: So I'll have that for you in just a moment.
Speaker 2: It's coming up to thirteen minutes past five. Just a further,
Speaker 2: just a further text in the joy v. Margaret Queensland v.
Speaker 2: Blues Stoush. On the text, Joyce says, oh, yeah, forget
Speaker 2: about the Dolphins, but they stole players from our three
Speaker 2: clubs to make that team work. Margaret, let's see what
Speaker 2: happens tonight. Well, we'll find out a little bit later on,
Speaker 2: of course, when the match happens morning Andrew, thank you
Speaker 2: so much for your text. Here too, another cold morning
Speaker 2: working in my caravan, getting up at four point thirty
Speaker 2: to go to work. Well, in Sydney, of course it
Speaker 2: is quite cool. It's about eight degrees, but it feels
Speaker 2: more like five eleven. In Brisbane feels like eleven and
Speaker 2: it is thirteen minutes past five, sixteen minutes past five. Oh,
Speaker 2: this could go on all morning, but it won't because
Speaker 2: Ben Forden's on the way soon. But Margaret is just
Speaker 2: responding to Enjoy by saying that you have to stop
Speaker 2: being aggressive and nasty I MC Queenslander and just pointing
Speaker 2: out the facts, says Margaret. Wow, the RG Bargie's on
Speaker 2: just ahead of the game and you'll hear it throughout
Speaker 2: the day. Here all of the action about state of
Speaker 2: origin on this year radio station where it is seventeen
Speaker 2: minutes past five. Ben Fordham on two GB five thirty,
Speaker 2: Peter Vegan in Brisbane on four BC. Pete seg HeiG
Speaker 2: Seth just said that America is postured defensively in the region.
Speaker 2: What that actually means. Trying to break down that particular
Speaker 2: word salid is in a whole other story. So let's
Speaker 2: get to this. I had a chat with Dr Benzali yesterday.
Speaker 2: He's a senior lecturer in international relations at Monash School
Speaker 2: of Social Scientists, and I wanted to know what the
Speaker 2: update was from his perspective in the escalating Israel Iran conflict.
Speaker 12: Well, further developments as ever in terms of reprisals from
Speaker 12: both sides, of course, but the wider diplomatic circumstances is
Speaker 12: developing a little bit as well. In President Trump has
Speaker 12: put out something on his social media account telling the
Speaker 12: citizens of Tehran, the capital of Iran, effectively, to evacuate.
Speaker 12: So that means we should expect further Israeli tax and
Speaker 12: obviously attacks on Tehran on this major population center. So
Speaker 12: it looks like the conflict is going to continue to
Speaker 12: asalate from here at least for the next few days.
Speaker 2: How involved were America getting now, so this is.
Speaker 12: A little hard to tell. I mean, I think the
Speaker 12: Trump administration's basic instinct on this is to appear to
Speaker 12: be at arms length, but they're clearly, very very closely
Speaker 12: in touch with the Israelis. They had advanced warning of
Speaker 12: the attack. Trump has not given public approval or sort
Speaker 12: of green the attack as such, but also isn't criticizing
Speaker 12: the Israelis in so doing either, so they're clearly across
Speaker 12: the details of it, but they're certainly not involved. There's
Speaker 12: no American military involvement at this stage anything like that,
Speaker 12: and I expect that to remain the case. The other
Speaker 12: thing that has developed over the days gone on at
Speaker 12: this G seven meeting, it was actually the French President
Speaker 12: Emmanuel Macrong has said to reporters that apparently the Trump
Speaker 12: administration is trying to brok us some kind of ceasefire
Speaker 12: between the two, but we don't really have any details
Speaker 12: on that or any sense of the likelihood of that
Speaker 12: coming off.
Speaker 2: I read that the USS Nimics was heading towards that region.
Speaker 2: Would that be used in a defensive.
Speaker 12: Role, that's my assumption. Yes, some other forces have also
Speaker 12: been moved towards the region, including some anti drone forces
Speaker 12: that were destined for Ukraine. They're really going to the
Speaker 12: region to shore up the defenses around US military bases
Speaker 12: and other military assets in the region, to ensure that
Speaker 12: in its response to Israel's attacks in its retaliations, Iran
Speaker 12: doesn't target US forces in the region.
Speaker 2: And we've seen UK support. How much more will they
Speaker 2: get involved.
Speaker 12: I think the British are in a very similar position.
Speaker 12: So they too have military bases in the region, so
Speaker 12: they're moving some forces there essentially for the same purpose,
Speaker 12: to effectively deter Iran from attacking anything other than Israeli targets.
Speaker 2: At this stage, what's the purpose of evacuating all of
Speaker 2: these Iranian citizens?
Speaker 12: Do you think it's not entirely clear. Israel II has
Speaker 12: issued warnings today, not dissimilar to how it's some of
Speaker 12: the warning warnings ahead of bombings of Palestinian areas in
Speaker 12: the Gaza Strip. This is really about trying to appear
Speaker 12: to be minimizing civilian casualties from one are very large
Speaker 12: scale attacks. Clearly what they're going to be in densely
Speaker 12: populated civilian areas. So I think we should expect further
Speaker 12: fairly large scale attacks in the coming sort of hours
Speaker 12: or over the next twenty four hours or so.
Speaker 2: And do you think Israel underestimated Iran's ability to respond?
Speaker 12: Not so much. I think the Israelis will have anticipated this. Basically,
Speaker 12: both sides have known that this was a relatively likely
Speaker 12: outcome for years. Really, the Israelis have talked about engaging
Speaker 12: a military strike against Iran's nuclear program for years, They've
Speaker 12: been talked out of it by the Americans on a
Speaker 12: number of occasions. It also fits with a wider pattern
Speaker 12: of activity. The Israelis did this against a nuclear reactor
Speaker 12: in Iraq in nineteen eighty one. They did it to
Speaker 12: Syria and two thousand and seven, so Israel has sort
Speaker 12: of always favored the use of military forces and sabotage
Speaker 12: and targeted assassinations. They also assassinated a series of Iranian
Speaker 12: nuclear scientists about a decade ago, so this is no
Speaker 12: surprise to the Iranians, who have obviously therefore been preparing
Speaker 12: their response, and therefore the Israelis knew that the Iranians
Speaker 12: would be responding as well. So in a sense, both
Speaker 12: sides of these attacks have been quite extensive and relatively devastating,
Speaker 12: but nothing I don't think will have greatly surprised either side,
Speaker 12: other than to say the initial attacks by Israel were
Speaker 12: probably a little more successful than the Iranians might have anticipated,
Speaker 12: particularly given Israel's ability to get its intelligence forces Mossad
Speaker 12: forces into a on Iranian soil beforehand to conduct sabotage
Speaker 12: operations against some of Iran's anti aircraft capabilities to ensure
Speaker 12: that the Israeli airplanes could fly in unimpeded hit those targets.
Speaker 2: And there's talk of the Iranian nuclear facilities being severely damaged,
Speaker 2: if not destroyed. But there's also talk and speculation of
Speaker 2: a dirty bomb. Do you think there's anything in there.
Speaker 12: To be honest, I don't, And so the idea of
Speaker 12: a dirty bomb is this is a conventional explosive that
Speaker 12: spreads radioactive material, so it's not a nuclear explosion, but
Speaker 12: it's just an explosion that basically has a nuclear material
Speaker 12: packed around it. I don't see the prospects of that
Speaker 12: in the short term. I think it's fairly unlikely in
Speaker 12: terms of the damage to the Iranian nuclear facilities. Look,
Speaker 12: Iran hadn't yet developed the nuclear weapons, so this is
Speaker 12: a preemptive strike to prevent Iran from doing so. Right,
Speaker 12: So it's not that nuclear weapons have been knocked out,
Speaker 12: But the question becomes how much damage of the israelis
Speaker 12: done to these sites. How far back has this put
Speaker 12: the program? So if Iran now like Iraq did after
Speaker 12: it was at tag by Israeli in eighty one, if
Speaker 12: it decides to really double down and really redouble its
Speaker 12: efforts and the sort of the fast breakout to a
Speaker 12: nuclear weapons capability. The question is what's their capability to
Speaker 12: do that?
Speaker 10: Now?
Speaker 12: How damaged are these facilities and a number of them
Speaker 12: are very deep underground and they've been hardened under multiple
Speaker 12: layers of concrete because the Iranians have been anticipating this
Speaker 12: for some years. So we won't know the answer to
Speaker 12: this for some time. And there are conflicting the reports.
Speaker 12: The Israelis are saying they've destroyed lots and they've caused
Speaker 12: all sorts of damage to the underground facilities. There's been
Speaker 12: some statements from the International Atomic Energy Agency saying they've
Speaker 12: got no reports of that so far, and they're in
Speaker 12: touch with operators at the facilities. So we just won't
Speaker 12: know for a while. But that's going to be the
Speaker 12: kind of six million dollar question over the next couple
Speaker 12: of weeks, just how successful have those attacks been on
Speaker 12: the deep, hardened underground facilities.
Speaker 2: The US Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth said that the
Speaker 2: US is taking up a defensive position as this conflict
Speaker 2: rages on. Are they talking about a defensive position do
Speaker 2: you think for Israel? Or a defensive position for their
Speaker 2: own bases in the area.
Speaker 12: My sense is at the moment it's the latter. They're
Speaker 12: just trying to defend their own interests here. At the
Speaker 12: same time that the US Secretary of State, Marco Rubio
Speaker 12: has been making this repeated statements saying we're not involved
Speaker 12: in these strikes, and I think President Trump has repeated
Speaker 12: that as well. So I don't think the US is
Speaker 12: going to want to be seen to be aiding Israel
Speaker 12: directly in that sense. I don't think they're going to
Speaker 12: see American forces being involved. It's possible they may become
Speaker 12: involved at some point in terms of shooting down incoming
Speaker 12: rockets and so forth, but I think for now they're
Speaker 12: focused more on defending their own military assets in the region.
Speaker 2: That's doctor Benzala, senior lecturer in International relations at Monash
Speaker 2: School of Social Sciences, and I had a chat with
Speaker 2: him yesterday afternoon about the escalating Israel Iran conflict and
Speaker 2: just looking up at Fox News, as I said, I
Speaker 2: want all of the major news channels on here in
Speaker 2: the studio. Fox News just had General Joseph Votel, who's
Speaker 2: a Middle East Institute military fellow retired, saying that Trump
Speaker 2: is in the situation room meeting at the moment, strikes
Speaker 2: are on the table. We'll keep you updated on that
Speaker 2: obviously throughout the day here on this radio station. Steve,
Speaker 2: thank you for your text, and also Chris at Engadeen
Speaker 2: as well. One more text here, as much as I
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