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UU: I think the sonar sound. Up, down, down. Where should

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S3: Which way to Chairman Madsen's reeducation camp?

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S4: When he's fucking randos, he does noise canceling headphones.

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S5: I want to buy your entire operation for the price

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S7: Okay. Why is that making you smile? That shouldn't make

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S1: Welcome to the Drop and our Succession Recap podcast. I'm

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S1: Osman Farooqi. I'm here with Thomas Mitchell and Mel Cambrai

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S1: to break down Episode five of Succession. Season four. Mel

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S1: Thomas How do you guys feel about soreness?

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S8: Husbands opening the purse and sending us away? I love

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S1: It turns out, said she's loving the pod and particularly

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S1: What I've dubbed the gang goes to Norway. The episode

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S8: Yeah. You can't have like done anything amazing and you

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S2: I feel like you are lumping the SEO Bros together

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S2: No, that's not true. I think Roman could be a

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S1: So I kind of got that sense that I'm like, okay,

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S1: We have to get everyone from Tom to Greg to

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S1: that too cynical? That didn't really seem to have any purpose. Right,

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S2: Well, I also like that then Madison trolls them about it. Yeah.

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S2: Why do you have so many bodies?

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S13: You bring so many of the Rock City crew.

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S1: Um, so we then get to Norway. We have kind

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S1: Roman have to get a cable car to go and

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S1: like ten of these other guys and he's just making

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S1: moment I thought, he's won this negotiation. He's made them

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S1: come to him before they've buried their father. He's told

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S1: a cable car to the top of the mountain. I'm like,

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S1: He's holding all the cards. Like, isn't it kind of

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S1: obvious that they're on the back seat here?

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S2: I love that they have to, like, stare down at

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S2: like symbolically laid in the background, like looking down into

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S2: the giant pit that is their business and life. Every

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S2: time they go up to see him, he, like, controls

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S2: it's always teetering on this. Is he joking? Is he serious?

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S2: Like when he offers to buy the company for $1?

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S2: There's this. Yeah.

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S1: Is he blowing up the deal?

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S2: Yeah. There's this lengthy silence. Like, is this should we

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S2: laugh at this or is this real? And he just

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S2: seems in control of the entire situation and he just

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S2: is masterful in it.

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S8: Yeah, it's yeah, I mean, I loved the hood thing

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S8: as well. The thing with like, Madsen is that he's

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S8: especially like, for someone, a Kindle type, he's just a

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S8: cool motherfucker. Yeah. Yeah. And so Kendal keeps calling him bro. Yeah, like,

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S8: and you know, that that kind of wigs Kendall out

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S8: because Kendall wants to be that. So my guy. Yeah,

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S8: he's like, I'm a cool guy. And Madsen is just, like,

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S8: effortlessly cool. Like, he's wearing his fucking hoodie indoors. He

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S8: takes it off later and it's like a bit six pack.

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S8: Who cares?

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S1: He takes his hood off. I want to talk about

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S1: this for a second. Maybe to physical waiting to go

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S1: specific on.

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S8: No, I think we've discussed it and it needs like

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S1: It needs it. It needs a bit to talk about.

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S1: So he's wearing this buttoned up, like very stylish raincoat.

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S1: Normally when you take off a coat, you sort of

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S1: unbutton it and like remove yourself from it. He just

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S1: so reveals his incredible like, abs and obliques. It's an

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S1: incredible and I reckon that's not in the script. I

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S1: reckon that Skarsgard being like, This is how I'm playing

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S1: this character.

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S8: He's got like an AB clause in his contract that

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S8: he has to have. He has to say like 2

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S8: or 3 abs per app. Yeah. But yeah, I just thought, yeah,

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S8: same as you. Pretty much from the moment he like

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S8: re-entered the succession universe, it was kind of like the

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S8: Madison show and he just dominated them like verbally, like physically,

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S8: you know, in the negotiation, it was just like they

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S8: all sat down and even like, he's so patronizing. He's like,

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S8: You guys know how this works? Like, I say something,

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S8: you say something. So yeah, I thought the negotiation itself

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S8: was an interesting piece of writing, but in terms of

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S8: how it pans out.

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S1: Yeah, even even in terms of like he also wins

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S1: because his dad died in a more horrific way than

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S1: their dad.

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S7: Did. Like our dad died yesterday. It was a couple

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S7: of days ago, so.

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S5: Well, at least you didn't find him yourself. BMW is

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S5: still running. That shit can be traumatic, right?

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S7: Sure, sure. And I.

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S1: Think this. This is his point I think I've been

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S1: making since the start of this season where we sort

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S1: of feel a bit of sympathy for the kids because

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S1: on this episode is quite grief stricken still, but if

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S1: they're trying to be big business players, they've got to

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S2: I think succession does these Whenever they have a business

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S2: person who's in a deal with them, they do it

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S2: so well. Like I think of Adrian Brody's character with

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S2: all those layers as well. And I think it's this

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S2: thing of like, we have been so claustrophobic with the

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S2: family and then you get outsiders and all of a

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S2: sudden you're like, Hang on. These people are like kind

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S2: of warped and they're not that good at what they

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S2: do and they're not that important and they're not that relevant.

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S2: And it gives you like this completely different perspective of them. Yeah, we've.

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S1: Had a few episodes that involved negotiations and kind of bidding.

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S1: I thought this one was one of the best because

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S1: they did such a good job of helping us understand

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S1: holding our little non-business brains through it, basically by Kendall

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S1: holding up a piece of paper that says there's a

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S1: number one, four, four above good, below bad.

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S8: And I appreciate that. Like, yeah, I was like, kid.

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S1: I you take the notes, you're like, I can follow along.

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S1: But then in the negotiation things kind of go awry

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S1: because the whole plan is that Logan had sort of

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S1: negotiated to this point is it's all of waystar except

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S1: for 18. So the kids are going in there wanting

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S1: to sell all of waystar for above $144 a share,

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S1: except ITN, which they want to merge with Pearce, which

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S1: is the other media company that they've bought. But he

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S1: throws a spanner in the works, Madison, by saying, Actually,

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S1: I'll offer you a stack more cash 186 or something,

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S1: but I want a ten. And immediately you can see

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S1: that like the brains start ticking for Roman and Kendalls,

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S1: but they're not quite sure what to do. So they

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S1: take a bait, they go and they have to talk

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S1: to Siobhan. And I think this is the second moment

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S1: where we see a divergence emerge from the siblings. Shivs

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S1: already kind of pissed off because she's gotten a rumor that.

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S1: ATN The news Network, has this open line to Jared Mencken,

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S1: who's the super rightwing presidential candidate. I think this is

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S1: kind of modeled on Trump's very close connection through Jared

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S1: Kushner to the Fox campaign. He's basically. Dialed into their

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S1: morning conferences. So he's getting an inside scoop on what

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S1: this huge, influential news network is is up to. And

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S1: she seemingly implies that Romans orchestrated the whole thing because

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S1: of their relationship. So when she finds out that ATN

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S1: is potentially in the deal, she's happy. She's fine with it.

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S1: She's like, it's toxic. It's shit, let's go. But I

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S1: kind of get the sense that she's the only sibling

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S1: that feels that way, right?

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S2: Mel Yeah. And I think Shiv has always had a

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S2: more progressive leaning in terms of 80 and other brothers

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S2: and and towards the company as well. She's always wanted

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S2: to change socially and culturally. I think the issue is

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S2: she kind of knows what she wants, whereas Kendall and

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S2: Roman don't really know what a win is or what

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S2: a loss is. And both of them are so in

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S2: their head about what would dad do? How would dad

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S2: act the entire time? Is this a win for dad?

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S2: Is this a loss? Are we doing right by dad

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S2: that they can't really see the trees from the forest,

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S2: which is very appropriate for this Norwegian episode?

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S1: Yeah, it does feel like Roman in particular, but also

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S1: Kendall were a bit trapped by what had already been

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S1: figured out, whereas Shiv was thinking about the future.

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S8: Yeah, I know it was. This is the problem with

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S8: Kendall and Roman, I suppose. They're so like they're not

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S8: very fluid for these massive negotiators. They can't like, you know,

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S8: you think even going up in that cable car, maybe

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S8: they would have, like, gamed out all the possible scenarios

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S8: that Madison would have thrown at them, including taking ATM.

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S8: But they didn't. They were just so, like steadfast. Yeah,

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S8: I think, you know, we watched it at the same

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S8: time and we were like, oh my God, take the deal.

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S8: This is an amazing deal. Get out. Yes, get out.

445
00:19:45,460 --> 00:19:47,980
S8: You can keep peace like fucking wash your hands of ATN.

446
00:19:48,130 --> 00:19:50,050
S8: And like I think Shiv says, she's like, it's racist,

447
00:19:50,050 --> 00:19:51,960
S8: it's toxic. Like, let's keep one of his old sweaters. Like,

448
00:19:51,970 --> 00:19:53,730
S8: that's all we need as a memento. We don't need to, like,

449
00:19:53,740 --> 00:19:56,170
S8: hold on to this. Media company of dads like to

450
00:19:56,170 --> 00:19:59,140
S8: honor his, you know, questionable legacy. So, yeah, that was

451
00:19:59,140 --> 00:20:01,419
S8: like a frustrating scene, I suppose, is the point of succession.

452
00:20:01,420 --> 00:20:04,030
S8: But I was like, oh, he a really good deal

453
00:20:04,030 --> 00:20:05,919
S8: for you all to take, and off you go on

454
00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,320
S8: your merry way. But of course, like that can't be

455
00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:10,510
S8: how it plays out. But yeah, I think you're right.

456
00:20:10,510 --> 00:20:11,950
S8: That was the first time you start to see Shiv

457
00:20:11,950 --> 00:20:14,470
S8: being like, okay, she's really like thinking about things and

458
00:20:14,470 --> 00:20:16,600
S8: they're not really on the same page. And also you

459
00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,360
S8: get an inkling that like Kendall especially is getting quite

460
00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:21,460
S8: addicted to this position.

461
00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,820
S2: He is. And Roman says to him, who likes tightrope

462
00:20:24,820 --> 00:20:27,430
S2: walking a straight razor nut bag. And I think that

463
00:20:27,430 --> 00:20:29,439
S2: just sums up Kendall's addiction to.

464
00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:30,400
S13: This guy smiling.

465
00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:34,270
S1: Is describing this horrific situation. You're right. He's addicted. You

466
00:20:34,270 --> 00:20:38,229
S1: called this last episode like he's addicted to that precarity.

467
00:20:38,230 --> 00:20:42,040
S1: Like he he gets off on the tension, the chase.

468
00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,129
S1: He doesn't want out. Like he needs the rush. He

469
00:20:45,130 --> 00:20:47,770
S1: needs that pressure. That seems to be what drives him.

470
00:20:47,770 --> 00:20:50,950
S2: And also, I think he's ego was so wounded because

471
00:20:50,950 --> 00:20:53,410
S2: he's such a sensitive little soul that his ego was

472
00:20:53,410 --> 00:20:55,960
S2: so wounded by some of the stuff Lucas said. Like

473
00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:57,399
S2: in terms of like, I'm not going to be lectured

474
00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,310
S2: to by the Vulture guy, You know, he was so

475
00:21:00,310 --> 00:21:03,070
S2: personally offended that he then needs to act it out

476
00:21:03,070 --> 00:21:06,670
S2: on a personal level, not really seeing the business consequences.

477
00:21:06,670 --> 00:21:10,419
S1: Yeah, one of the consequences of Shiv sort of maybe

478
00:21:10,420 --> 00:21:15,070
S1: realizing that she's on a different wavelength to her siblings

479
00:21:15,070 --> 00:21:18,700
S1: on this is she has this late night session with

480
00:21:18,700 --> 00:21:19,810
S1: Lucas Mattson which.

481
00:21:19,810 --> 00:21:21,820
S8: Good way to kind of frame what is a very strange.

482
00:21:21,820 --> 00:21:26,410
S1: Interaction. It was very strange. Like I watched this episode twice,

483
00:21:26,410 --> 00:21:29,080
S1: but I watched this scene about four times. Like I

484
00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:33,100
S1: went back again just to understand what everyone's motivation was,

485
00:21:33,100 --> 00:21:35,650
S1: because a lot actually happens in this. So the setting

486
00:21:35,650 --> 00:21:40,750
S1: is basically there in Lucas's room in this Norwegian retreat. Yeah, sure.

487
00:21:41,380 --> 00:21:43,689
S1: Siobhan's there, he's doing coke.

488
00:21:44,290 --> 00:21:48,610
S5: I might be in a bit of a pickle. Uh huh, yeah.

489
00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:50,080
S5: People are judging me.

490
00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:55,210
S1: Yeah. I think this scene was interesting for a few

491
00:21:55,210 --> 00:22:00,160
S1: different reasons. I think it revealed something about Mattson that we,

492
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:05,470
S1: up until this moment, he's been this untouchable, threatening, imposing,

493
00:22:05,470 --> 00:22:09,580
S1: almost flawless figure. And I think the reason why he

494
00:22:09,580 --> 00:22:13,090
S1: opens up with this bizarre story about a woman who

495
00:22:13,090 --> 00:22:15,610
S1: he feels like he's in love with and she's not

496
00:22:15,609 --> 00:22:19,510
S1: returning his affections. So he sends her like frozen bricks

497
00:22:19,510 --> 00:22:20,500
S1: of his blood.

498
00:22:20,500 --> 00:22:25,870
S5: A sort of a nasty, friendly joke about what I

499
00:22:25,869 --> 00:22:30,160
S5: shouldn't do. Send her some of my blood.

500
00:22:31,410 --> 00:22:32,590
S14: Okay.

501
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:35,679
S5: Half a liter of frozen blood brick.

502
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,490
S1: It turns out that that woman is, in fact, his employee.

503
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:40,480
S15: It's Ebba.

504
00:22:42,250 --> 00:22:43,330
S5: Actually, it's up.

505
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:49,210
S1: Yeah. Who? We meet Abba, who's the communications director for Gojo.

506
00:22:49,270 --> 00:22:53,260
S1: I was wondering why he actually opened up to Shiv.

507
00:22:53,290 --> 00:22:56,050
S1: Because it feels like such a risky move. Like she's

508
00:22:56,050 --> 00:22:58,450
S1: still from the other side, and he's basically admitting I'm

509
00:22:58,450 --> 00:23:01,780
S1: kind of harassing one of my employees. My take on

510
00:23:01,780 --> 00:23:04,930
S1: it is he's very into Shiv. Like, I think he's

511
00:23:04,930 --> 00:23:08,260
S1: trying to seduce her by opening up or kind of

512
00:23:08,260 --> 00:23:10,270
S1: showing some sort of vulnerability. I kind of think Shiv

513
00:23:10,270 --> 00:23:12,610
S1: sort of into it, too, because if she wasn't, she'd

514
00:23:12,609 --> 00:23:15,369
S1: be like, Hey, I'm like, I'm, you know, I'm pregnant

515
00:23:15,369 --> 00:23:17,100
S1: or whatever. I don't want. Have a fun time with you.

516
00:23:17,100 --> 00:23:20,100
S1: But instead she's pretends to drink, pretends to do coke.

517
00:23:20,100 --> 00:23:23,040
S1: And when he says, What's it like with Tom? She's like,

518
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,830
S1: We're fucked. It's game over. She's very explicit. I kind

519
00:23:25,830 --> 00:23:28,110
S1: of thought there was, like, a sexual chemistry there. Am

520
00:23:28,109 --> 00:23:28,710
S1: I ready.

521
00:23:28,710 --> 00:23:29,850
S13: To watch his abs?

522
00:23:30,750 --> 00:23:34,860
S8: He has sexual chemistry with everybody. No. I think the

523
00:23:34,859 --> 00:23:37,320
S8: hard thing was succession is that you always and this

524
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:38,730
S8: is I guess the beauty of it is that you

525
00:23:38,730 --> 00:23:41,159
S8: always kind of second guess everything on first watch. I

526
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,580
S8: thought the same, but now I'm like, he's tried with

527
00:23:44,580 --> 00:23:48,179
S8: the brothers. He's like, morons. So he's gone to Shiv

528
00:23:48,180 --> 00:23:52,260
S8: and maybe he's like, okay, how best to approach this?

529
00:23:52,260 --> 00:23:56,760
S8: Maybe the thing to play here is like emotional vulnerability. Like,

530
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,560
S8: I'll show you some of my skeletons. You show me

531
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,869
S8: some of your skeletons. Maybe you reveal to me the

532
00:24:00,869 --> 00:24:02,760
S8: best way to get this deal done. And like, I

533
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:04,530
S8: can put on this show and dance of like, not

534
00:24:04,530 --> 00:24:07,620
S8: necessarily the intimidating Northman that I appear to be, and

535
00:24:07,619 --> 00:24:09,870
S8: ultimately I'll achieve my goal. I don't know if that's

536
00:24:09,869 --> 00:24:11,879
S8: like too cynical, but I think I also watched it

537
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,250
S8: several times. And yeah, I started to think, Oh, maybe

538
00:24:14,250 --> 00:24:16,740
S8: this is just a play for Madison. Like he tells

539
00:24:16,740 --> 00:24:19,950
S8: her this like kind of, you know, big secret. He

540
00:24:19,950 --> 00:24:21,750
S8: asks her for advice. He tells her that he really

541
00:24:21,750 --> 00:24:24,209
S8: respects her. He, like, trots out this line, which he

542
00:24:24,210 --> 00:24:26,100
S8: does to all the kids in different ways. But he's like,

543
00:24:26,100 --> 00:24:28,260
S8: You're so much like your dad. So something along those lines,

544
00:24:28,260 --> 00:24:31,560
S8: like he uses Logan Yeah, he like, emotionally manipulates her

545
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,510
S8: and then she kind of says to him, I think,

546
00:24:33,510 --> 00:24:35,729
S8: you know, he's like, the deal be done. And she's like,

547
00:24:35,730 --> 00:24:38,670
S8: just bumped the price. And ultimately that's what happens. So

548
00:24:38,670 --> 00:24:39,930
S8: I don't know. Like, I don't doubt that there was

549
00:24:39,930 --> 00:24:42,270
S8: a big vibe. And again, like, you know, Alexander Skarsgard,

550
00:24:42,270 --> 00:24:45,120
S8: he's like, impossible not to vibe with. But yeah, part

551
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:46,470
S8: of me thinks it was a cynical play.

552
00:24:46,619 --> 00:24:49,980
S2: I also feel like the way Shiv dealt with her

553
00:24:50,190 --> 00:24:52,390
S2: Haas in that episode, Huh?

554
00:24:53,100 --> 00:24:53,780
S16: Oh.

555
00:24:55,380 --> 00:24:58,740
S2: Well, like she doesn't have actually some dialogue and she

556
00:24:58,740 --> 00:25:00,840
S2: does so much with just. Uh huh.

557
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:02,430
S13: Yeah. Huh. Yeah.

558
00:25:02,820 --> 00:25:06,390
S2: It's like a masterclass in dealing with information. Like how

559
00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:09,060
S2: to process information that you need more time to think on.

560
00:25:09,060 --> 00:25:12,270
S2: She's just keeps this kind of blank face. I'm probably

561
00:25:12,270 --> 00:25:13,830
S2: with you. More of the cynical line. I think it

562
00:25:13,830 --> 00:25:16,140
S2: was a different approach to power. He had the kind

563
00:25:16,140 --> 00:25:18,869
S2: of bro off with the brothers, and then he's trying

564
00:25:18,869 --> 00:25:23,650
S2: this softer approach with Shiv. He obviously has some a

565
00:25:23,670 --> 00:25:27,090
S2: strange relationship to women and like he does describe ABBA

566
00:25:27,090 --> 00:25:30,150
S2: as an estrogen air freshener. So I think he thinks

567
00:25:30,150 --> 00:25:32,820
S2: of women in charge in a certain way. So he's

568
00:25:32,820 --> 00:25:36,389
S2: also bringing that to his conversation with Shiv. And little

569
00:25:36,390 --> 00:25:38,460
S2: does he know that she's probably got a shiv in

570
00:25:38,460 --> 00:25:39,750
S2: her back pocket. Yeah.

571
00:25:39,750 --> 00:25:42,840
S1: Yeah. I have like a tiny quibble with the way

572
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:46,229
S1: that Shiv is being written this season. Keen to get

573
00:25:46,230 --> 00:25:49,830
S1: your guys thoughts on it. So in the last episode

574
00:25:49,830 --> 00:25:52,950
S1: episode four, when she gets kind of screwed over in

575
00:25:52,950 --> 00:25:55,320
S1: a way and she's not like that episode was such

576
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,680
S1: a fail for her. Like she missed the signs. She

577
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,320
S1: wasn't having the conversation. She should have been. She seemed

578
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,150
S1: just like really out of the loop and not really

579
00:26:03,150 --> 00:26:06,120
S1: on her game. And then nothing seems to really change

580
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,959
S1: timeline wise. In the next episode. She's much smarter. She's

581
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,020
S1: making the right calls, she's saying the right things to

582
00:26:13,020 --> 00:26:16,320
S1: keep everyone onside, and she's handling everything in such a

583
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:20,250
S1: deft and subtle way. And I don't know whether that's because, okay,

584
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,410
S1: she hit sort of rock bottom and so now she

585
00:26:22,410 --> 00:26:25,020
S1: has to pick up her game. But it just feels

586
00:26:25,020 --> 00:26:29,909
S1: like she's so quickly. Yeah, inconsistent in how she's approaching things.

587
00:26:29,910 --> 00:26:32,850
S2: I felt almost like it was this automatic instinct that

588
00:26:32,850 --> 00:26:37,020
S2: kicked in with him, this dormant business woman that kicked

589
00:26:37,020 --> 00:26:39,090
S2: in when he told her this story, because immediately she

590
00:26:39,090 --> 00:26:41,280
S2: was like, Here's my three point plan. These are the people.

591
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,740
S2: And it was kind of got her out of that

592
00:26:43,740 --> 00:26:46,139
S2: pattern she had been in before. And the brothers had

593
00:26:46,140 --> 00:26:47,939
S2: just kind of ignored her and fobbed her off for

594
00:26:47,940 --> 00:26:50,250
S2: most of the episode or or brought her in as

595
00:26:50,250 --> 00:26:53,400
S2: an afterthought. And then she had this interaction with Madison

596
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,450
S2: and it just kicked in her her kind of motivation

597
00:26:57,450 --> 00:27:00,480
S2: and showed her skill set again. And I was like

598
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,350
S2: thinking of that trouble one boss song, like she got

599
00:27:04,350 --> 00:27:06,870
S2: knocked down in that last episode and here she is

600
00:27:06,869 --> 00:27:07,980
S2: getting back up again.

601
00:27:07,980 --> 00:27:09,420
S1: Wow. A tub thumping reference.

602
00:27:09,420 --> 00:27:12,090
S2: Yeah. Don't you wish I was in your viewing?

603
00:27:12,090 --> 00:27:15,150
S8: Last part was Icarus and now Chumbawamba. You like cultural

604
00:27:15,150 --> 00:27:16,500
S8: touchstones all over the place.

605
00:27:16,500 --> 00:27:18,179
S2: I like that. We started with Jay-Z and.

606
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,910
S1: I like I like to take, though, that perhaps the

607
00:27:20,910 --> 00:27:25,530
S1: Madison interaction unlocked something in her because she does transform

608
00:27:25,530 --> 00:27:27,060
S1: in a bunch of ways. After that. I want to

609
00:27:27,060 --> 00:27:30,930
S1: talk about the aftermath of that in particular her relationship

610
00:27:30,930 --> 00:27:34,140
S1: with Tom, because it seems like there's a fire that's

611
00:27:34,140 --> 00:27:37,200
S1: been reawakened there. And again, I couldn't quite figure out

612
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,240
S1: what the hell was going on. It felt like a

613
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:40,890
S1: very high school kind of a thing.

614
00:27:40,890 --> 00:27:43,530
S2: Yeah, I definitely saw she had this professional win and

615
00:27:43,530 --> 00:27:45,540
S2: it gave her this sense of self. And then she

616
00:27:45,540 --> 00:27:48,359
S2: went out and kind of tried to resurrect this relationship

617
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,219
S2: that Tom and her had previously had, where she was

618
00:27:50,220 --> 00:27:53,429
S2: kind of this alpha figure in their relationship. Yeah, I

619
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:55,949
S2: thought it was a very strange interaction. And it's like,

620
00:27:55,950 --> 00:27:58,619
S2: is this some kind of weird toxic flirtation? We were

621
00:27:58,619 --> 00:28:01,230
S2: joking earlier about it being like something straight from, Hey, Arnold.

622
00:28:01,770 --> 00:28:03,480
S13: But move it football head.

623
00:28:04,260 --> 00:28:06,300
S2: But if you think about it, that is actually their

624
00:28:06,300 --> 00:28:08,970
S2: relationship dynamic. Totally. And it's always been like that. So

625
00:28:08,970 --> 00:28:11,010
S2: maybe this is her being like, okay let's go back

626
00:28:11,010 --> 00:28:11,790
S2: to what we were.

627
00:28:11,910 --> 00:28:14,460
S1: Thomas You've been sort of predicting that there'll be a

628
00:28:14,460 --> 00:28:17,100
S1: Shiv and Tom reunion and. We sort of flag last

629
00:28:17,100 --> 00:28:19,410
S1: week that felt like where things could be going. Are

630
00:28:19,410 --> 00:28:22,650
S1: you surprised that it happened in this way? Like after

631
00:28:22,650 --> 00:28:25,230
S1: this meeting with this other super handsome Swedish guy and

632
00:28:25,230 --> 00:28:27,330
S1: in such a weird like, I kind of hate you,

633
00:28:27,330 --> 00:28:28,430
S1: but also, let's get dinner.

634
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,260
S8: Yeah. She went from, like, scandi soft boy to, like,

635
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,320
S8: soft boy. Well, firstly, I did think that was Tom

636
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,050
S8: and Shiv Foreplay. Awkward as it was to watch. I

637
00:28:37,050 --> 00:28:38,610
S8: thought it was hilarious because, like, one of my pet

638
00:28:38,610 --> 00:28:40,770
S8: peeves is when people wear like really new sneakers and

639
00:28:40,770 --> 00:28:43,820
S8: they're so white, it's like the shoes are wearing that person.

640
00:28:43,830 --> 00:28:45,420
S8: It's such a Tom move. He's obviously got his brand

641
00:28:45,420 --> 00:28:47,490
S8: new white shoes for he's like a big holiday in Norway.

642
00:28:47,490 --> 00:28:49,380
S8: And then she's like, Tom, it's embarrassing. Like people are

643
00:28:49,380 --> 00:28:51,420
S8: coming down and your sneakers are freaking them out because

644
00:28:51,420 --> 00:28:51,750
S8: people are.

645
00:28:51,750 --> 00:28:55,230
S17: Coming down from Molly and their pupils. They're dilated and

646
00:28:55,230 --> 00:28:57,000
S17: your shoes are like looking at the sun.

647
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,150
S8: And especially like steps on him. And then he, like,

648
00:29:00,150 --> 00:29:02,280
S8: makes fun of her yellow, which is like a barnacle.

649
00:29:02,430 --> 00:29:05,670
S6: Your earlobes are thick and chewy. The fuck? Yeah. Like

650
00:29:05,670 --> 00:29:06,540
S6: barnacle meat.

651
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,090
S8: Yeah. It was this weird like, oh, here they go

652
00:29:09,090 --> 00:29:11,940
S8: again with their, like, disgusting foreplay. And then obviously she

653
00:29:11,940 --> 00:29:13,860
S8: ends by inviting to dinner. So it seems like they're

654
00:29:13,860 --> 00:29:16,770
S8: kind of back on track now. And heading in a

655
00:29:16,770 --> 00:29:20,010
S8: way that I guess like with the fallout of the deal,

656
00:29:20,010 --> 00:29:21,870
S8: she needs an ally and he needs an ally. And

657
00:29:21,870 --> 00:29:24,750
S8: maybe strangely, in this weird sea of people that no

658
00:29:24,750 --> 00:29:26,940
S8: one can really trust each other, they've like ended up

659
00:29:26,940 --> 00:29:27,510
S8: back together.

660
00:29:27,510 --> 00:29:30,660
S1: Yeah. And she says even like there's a romantic rekindling,

661
00:29:30,660 --> 00:29:33,090
S1: there's also a professional thing going on because early on

662
00:29:33,090 --> 00:29:36,450
S1: in the episode, Roman and Kendall offered to, like, cut

663
00:29:36,450 --> 00:29:38,690
S1: off his head. And she's like, No, no, no, no,

664
00:29:38,700 --> 00:29:40,710
S1: don't do that. She ends up saying to him, I'm

665
00:29:40,710 --> 00:29:42,510
S1: going to fire Sid. Like, you're going to be the

666
00:29:42,510 --> 00:29:43,370
S1: big boss of ATM.

667
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,630
S8: I want you to do it. Like, it's like it's like,

668
00:29:45,630 --> 00:29:46,080
S8: you know.

669
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:46,770
S13: Yeah, he's on.

670
00:29:46,770 --> 00:29:48,989
S1: The up. She's on the up. Let's talk about the

671
00:29:48,990 --> 00:29:52,950
S1: fallout of that interaction between Shiv and Lucas Mattson, which

672
00:29:52,950 --> 00:29:56,910
S1: was basically like the most significant and tangible negotiation of

673
00:29:56,910 --> 00:29:59,790
S1: the episode. So he basically has realized that I can

674
00:29:59,790 --> 00:30:01,770
S1: get this over the line if I just give them

675
00:30:02,070 --> 00:30:04,170
S1: a bit more money. While he's figured that out and

676
00:30:04,170 --> 00:30:08,250
S1: essentially done the deal with Shiv, the idiot brothers, on

677
00:30:08,250 --> 00:30:10,590
S1: the other hand, Roman and Kendall are like, Oh, we

678
00:30:10,590 --> 00:30:13,500
S1: should like blow this deal up, which seems entirely driven

679
00:30:13,500 --> 00:30:16,260
S1: by emotion. It's like you said earlier, Mel, the fact

680
00:30:16,260 --> 00:30:19,740
S1: that Mattson called them a tribute act is seemingly what

681
00:30:19,740 --> 00:30:22,440
S1: pissed them off and that they go back up this

682
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,180
S1: cable car up to the top of the mountain and

683
00:30:24,180 --> 00:30:26,520
S1: they have the dumbest strategy of all time. Like they

684
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,850
S1: get Greg to leak stories about what's going on. Kendall

685
00:30:29,850 --> 00:30:32,580
S1: Like shows them a rough cut of this terrible movie

686
00:30:32,580 --> 00:30:33,660
S1: that is falling apart.

687
00:30:33,660 --> 00:30:34,020
S13: What is the.

688
00:30:34,020 --> 00:30:35,520
S8: Movie about a robot in a cave or.

689
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,220
S1: Something? The movie actually was teased, I think in season three.

690
00:30:38,220 --> 00:30:40,500
S1: They sort of hinted at it over the years as

691
00:30:40,500 --> 00:30:45,420
S1: this Transformers meets Marvel kind of franchise. Amazing. And they're

692
00:30:45,420 --> 00:30:48,060
S1: like trying to get him to hate the company and

693
00:30:48,060 --> 00:30:50,130
S1: he calls him out on it straight away. And then

694
00:30:50,130 --> 00:30:54,330
S1: Roman can't contain himself. He just lashes out. Has this

695
00:30:54,330 --> 00:30:55,590
S1: huge spray. Yeah.

696
00:30:55,590 --> 00:30:57,720
S18: Shut the fuck up, man. We're not selling to you, okay?

697
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,240
S18: We're not doing that. We are going to grind you down, man.

698
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:01,979
S18: We are sand in the gears. Every email is going

699
00:31:01,980 --> 00:31:03,690
S18: to take like six months. We're all going to spend

700
00:31:03,690 --> 00:31:05,730
S18: hundreds of millions of dollars, and in the end, you're

701
00:31:05,730 --> 00:31:09,240
S18: going to get fucking bored and move on. It's not happening. Okay.

702
00:31:09,780 --> 00:31:12,390
S1: And at that point I thought, okay, well, maybe they've

703
00:31:12,390 --> 00:31:14,489
S1: succeeded in blowing up the deal and now we're going

704
00:31:14,490 --> 00:31:16,080
S1: to deal with the fallout of it. But of course,

705
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,080
S1: Madison is one step ahead as they're on the plane home,

706
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,590
S1: he calls up Frank and goes behind the brothers backs

707
00:31:22,590 --> 00:31:25,200
S1: and just says a number like 192, I think, which

708
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,110
S1: is so big, it's like a done deal. Like everyone's

709
00:31:28,110 --> 00:31:30,270
S1: going to have to agree to it. And we end

710
00:31:30,270 --> 00:31:35,130
S1: with the brothers looking forlorn, shiv looking extremely excited and

711
00:31:35,130 --> 00:31:38,220
S1: sending a photo to Mattson of that. And we also

712
00:31:38,220 --> 00:31:40,590
S1: get the kill list, which I thought was hilarious, where

713
00:31:40,590 --> 00:31:44,160
S1: Jerry's reading out who wins, who loses. I really hope,

714
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,680
S1: like Jerry and Karolina are sticking around. A bunch of

715
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,690
S1: the others are gone. I hope that's not the last

716
00:31:48,690 --> 00:31:51,900
S1: we see of, like, Carl and Hugo. No chance. Yeah,

717
00:31:51,900 --> 00:31:54,270
S1: they're too good. They're big fan faves now as well.

718
00:31:54,270 --> 00:31:56,160
S2: Yeah, and I think that's what I really liked about

719
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,770
S2: Shivs character arc in this is that she went from

720
00:31:58,770 --> 00:32:02,160
S2: complete outsider to insider in both worlds because she's obviously

721
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,610
S2: sitting on this info about the frozen blood bricks. Also,

722
00:32:05,610 --> 00:32:08,040
S2: I love that they were talking about like bleeding the

723
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:12,870
S2: Swede and the Swede is bleeding themselves. So she's obviously.

724
00:32:12,870 --> 00:32:14,970
S1: She's got the insight intel on this guy.

725
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:15,750
S13: She's got on both.

726
00:32:15,750 --> 00:32:18,840
S2: Sides. So she has like knowledge. And we know in

727
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,750
S2: this industry knowledge is power. And she. So she's in

728
00:32:21,750 --> 00:32:22,860
S2: a great position.

729
00:32:22,860 --> 00:32:24,710
S8: Yeah, that was that was a great final scene. And

730
00:32:24,810 --> 00:32:26,510
S8: I agree. The fact that she ends up like, you know,

731
00:32:26,550 --> 00:32:28,290
S8: Madison's like, can you send me your photos of your

732
00:32:28,530 --> 00:32:30,960
S8: brothers faces right now? It was just so great because

733
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,030
S8: they're so smug and everyone's coming out being like, Oh,

734
00:32:33,030 --> 00:32:35,040
S8: great job, boys. Your father would be so proud. And

735
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,920
S8: they're like, cracking the champagne. And she's just like, I

736
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,010
S8: basically engineered all this. And now I'm also sending photos

737
00:32:41,010 --> 00:32:42,930
S8: of Madison. So what's up?

738
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,360
S2: And my feeling was that she designed the kill list

739
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:49,260
S2: because the people she wanted to stay on it really great.

740
00:32:49,260 --> 00:32:51,540
S1: I think that the kill list was decided between Madison

741
00:32:51,540 --> 00:32:54,030
S1: and Shiv in that because she was a Carolina and

742
00:32:54,030 --> 00:32:56,490
S1: Jerry fan and she didn't care about those other guys

743
00:32:56,490 --> 00:32:57,090
S1: and she's.

744
00:32:57,090 --> 00:32:59,460
S8: And Tom survives. Exactly. Yeah.

745
00:33:05,020 --> 00:33:10,630
S1: All right. Time to cover our favorite lines from this episode. Thomas,

746
00:33:10,630 --> 00:33:13,750
S1: you've got a blood theme one. Yes.

747
00:33:13,750 --> 00:33:17,440
S8: Well, blood was such a visible, palpable presence in this episode.

748
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,890
S8: I actually didn't find this episode that easy to pick

749
00:33:20,890 --> 00:33:21,850
S8: a favorite line from.

750
00:33:21,850 --> 00:33:23,770
S2: I feel like you say that many weeks.

751
00:33:23,770 --> 00:33:26,890
S8: Yeah, I just think the writing is very good. No,

752
00:33:26,890 --> 00:33:29,350
S8: but I thought this one was very funny. When she

753
00:33:29,350 --> 00:33:32,140
S8: delivers a line in her shiv style, it's so good.

754
00:33:32,140 --> 00:33:35,110
S8: Madsen is talking to her about what he might do

755
00:33:35,140 --> 00:33:38,170
S8: should his, you know, creepy courting of his employee come out.

756
00:33:38,170 --> 00:33:40,030
S8: He's like, I'll just deny. I'll just deny everything. Yeah.

757
00:33:40,210 --> 00:33:41,350
S8: And she says to him.

758
00:33:41,350 --> 00:33:42,040
S13: Deniability.

759
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:46,690
S3: Is difficult given she has so much of your blood.

760
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,040
S8: This is like such a like in no other show

761
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,530
S8: would that, you know, fly. Except maybe Eva's.

762
00:33:53,530 --> 00:33:56,260
S1: Freezer is just full of, like, these blood bricks she's

763
00:33:56,260 --> 00:33:56,860
S1: keeping has.

764
00:33:56,860 --> 00:33:57,459
S13: Like, evidence.

765
00:33:57,460 --> 00:34:00,820
S8: Yeah. Frozen evidence that my boss is fucking crazy.

766
00:34:01,420 --> 00:34:01,720
S13: Um.

767
00:34:02,020 --> 00:34:04,240
S2: She says earlier in the episode, she says something like,

768
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,610
S2: I write it down so that I can get a payout.

769
00:34:06,610 --> 00:34:08,440
S2: Or if they try to fire me, like, I reckon

770
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:09,910
S2: there's more to her to come.

771
00:34:09,910 --> 00:34:11,530
S8: Yeah, the whole thing was weird with her. She was

772
00:34:11,530 --> 00:34:14,050
S8: an interesting character and that was probably the one. Only

773
00:34:14,050 --> 00:34:16,180
S8: other time we saw Madsen. Like not being in control

774
00:34:16,180 --> 00:34:18,670
S8: was when he introduces her to someone and he's like,

775
00:34:18,670 --> 00:34:21,730
S8: she's obviously like uncomfortable around him. And he's like, Oh no,

776
00:34:21,730 --> 00:34:23,380
S8: you love it. You love it here. And it's just like,

777
00:34:23,380 --> 00:34:25,450
S8: it was awkward. It was like that. And the moment

778
00:34:25,450 --> 00:34:26,860
S8: we shared were the only two times he was like,

779
00:34:26,860 --> 00:34:28,960
S8: not in control. So yeah, I think.

780
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,060
S1: Again, the show is so good at being like, We're

781
00:34:31,060 --> 00:34:33,610
S1: creating this character who runs rings around the guys who

782
00:34:33,610 --> 00:34:35,830
S1: have been falling for four years, but he's still fallible

783
00:34:35,830 --> 00:34:38,799
S1: and ultimately he's fallible because of his sexual politics, because

784
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:43,390
S1: that is how the corporate world works, basically. Mel, talk

785
00:34:43,390 --> 00:34:44,350
S1: us through your fave line.

786
00:34:44,469 --> 00:34:44,739
S13: Okay.

787
00:34:44,739 --> 00:34:47,980
S2: So my favorite line was, firstly, I loved the whole

788
00:34:47,980 --> 00:34:50,890
S2: plane scene when the whole family of Waystar get on

789
00:34:50,890 --> 00:34:53,890
S2: the plane and they're going across to Norway to the retreat.

790
00:34:54,010 --> 00:34:56,260
S2: You've got the tribute band up the front, you've got

791
00:34:56,260 --> 00:35:00,010
S2: the boiled eggs in the back. And Karolina says they're

792
00:35:00,010 --> 00:35:01,930
S2: all chatting about who they're going to meet. And there's

793
00:35:01,930 --> 00:35:07,030
S2: all this chat about how God deputy communications person was

794
00:35:07,030 --> 00:35:10,299
S2: a former winter Olympian. And then Karolina comes out with

795
00:35:10,300 --> 00:35:11,380
S2: this line. I mean.

796
00:35:11,380 --> 00:35:15,520
S3: Fulbright is coming out of their ass Nasdaq Master Race.

797
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:20,710
S3: They're just a bunch of really impressive, very serious young people.

798
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:22,630
S2: Did you see what happened? I think this line captures

799
00:35:22,630 --> 00:35:25,390
S2: the kind of shift in power. They're all literally up

800
00:35:25,390 --> 00:35:28,390
S2: in the air and for crisis. Karolina, like, she keeps

801
00:35:28,390 --> 00:35:30,850
S2: her head in a crisis and she's troubled by this.

802
00:35:30,850 --> 00:35:32,859
S2: You can kind of tell he that they're feeling this

803
00:35:32,860 --> 00:35:37,509
S2: real sense of irrelevance and you get this flagging of

804
00:35:37,510 --> 00:35:40,870
S2: the cultural change that's happening inside the company, but also

805
00:35:40,870 --> 00:35:43,210
S2: outside the company in this real building up of old

806
00:35:43,210 --> 00:35:47,530
S2: versus New Legacy versus Evergreen. I think that's so nicely

807
00:35:47,530 --> 00:35:48,760
S2: summed up in that scene.

808
00:35:48,910 --> 00:35:51,790
S1: There's a lot of very funny descriptions of the Scandinavians

809
00:35:51,790 --> 00:35:54,279
S1: in this that of that that are great. Mine is

810
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,230
S1: a very short one. It's from the start of the

811
00:35:56,230 --> 00:35:59,320
S1: episode as Roman and Kendall are kind of plodding and

812
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,060
S1: deciding what to do next and when they're going to

813
00:36:01,060 --> 00:36:05,320
S1: get on the plane. Jerry and Carl are walking in

814
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:06,520
S1: and you see them look up and.

815
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,520
S7: Say, Well, here we go, March of the Emperor penguins.

816
00:36:10,690 --> 00:36:13,000
S1: And it's they look like emperor penguins.

817
00:36:13,690 --> 00:36:16,090
S13: That's such a weird line to describe to people.

818
00:36:16,090 --> 00:36:18,160
S1: I've been rewatching a lot of The Thick of It,

819
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,620
S1: which was written by Jesse Armstrong in the first two seasons,

820
00:36:20,620 --> 00:36:22,330
S1: and this felt like a line out of that show,

821
00:36:22,330 --> 00:36:26,140
S1: just the way that described these lumbering old guard people.

822
00:36:26,140 --> 00:36:27,070
S1: It was really, really good.

823
00:36:27,070 --> 00:36:28,960
S2: I love all the different synonyms for it, like the

824
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:30,310
S2: village elders, the.

825
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:31,150
S13: Dreamers versus.

826
00:36:31,150 --> 00:36:34,120
S2: The Zuma's, the graves mum and dad. Like there's so

827
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:38,110
S2: many different descriptions that are really playing up this generational

828
00:36:38,110 --> 00:36:39,940
S2: warfare that's happening, but this is.

829
00:36:39,940 --> 00:36:42,009
S8: Also something I reckon they love to do. It must

830
00:36:42,010 --> 00:36:44,170
S8: be a Jesse Armstrong thing because it happens in like

831
00:36:44,170 --> 00:36:47,319
S8: the Thick of it as well. Whenever people are walking

832
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,739
S8: to one location towards one another, it's like always a

833
00:36:50,739 --> 00:36:53,830
S8: topic of conversation. Like you never just hear, yeah, yeah.

834
00:36:54,010 --> 00:36:56,230
S8: You never with one group as they're going somewhere, you're

835
00:36:56,230 --> 00:36:59,630
S8: with the other group watching that other party comment about Yeah,

836
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,510
S8: it's like such a, like a device.

837
00:37:01,570 --> 00:37:04,480
S1: Like come the wrecking crew, you know, rolling deep.

838
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:05,040
S13: Like it's.

839
00:37:05,050 --> 00:37:12,460
S1: It's really good. Okay. So Jerry watched this week is

840
00:37:12,460 --> 00:37:15,160
S1: kind of like best line for me because I think

841
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:19,120
S1: Jerry played a really incredible role in firing up the troops.

842
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,190
S1: This is the same trip on the way to Norway.

843
00:37:21,190 --> 00:37:23,410
S1: Everyone's freaking out the stress. They're going to get eaten

844
00:37:23,410 --> 00:37:26,800
S1: up by these Swedes and Jerry gets them all energized.

845
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,649
S1: She says they might be young, but the European, they're.

846
00:37:29,650 --> 00:37:31,960
S13: European, they're soft.

847
00:37:32,410 --> 00:37:36,219
S3: Hammock in their Social Security, safety net sick on vacation,

848
00:37:36,219 --> 00:37:37,810
S3: mania on free health care.

849
00:37:37,930 --> 00:37:39,910
S13: They may think they're they may think they're Vikings.

850
00:37:39,910 --> 00:37:42,640
S1: But where wolves raise on a pathogen that goes by

851
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:43,840
S1: the name of Logan Roy.

852
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,149
S3: And they have no idea what's coming to them.

853
00:37:46,510 --> 00:37:50,140
S1: She like takes charge and she ends the episode surviving.

854
00:37:50,140 --> 00:37:52,150
S2: Oh, my gosh. That was a real captain, my captain moment.

855
00:37:52,150 --> 00:37:54,070
S2: Like I was ready to get on the table. I

856
00:37:54,070 --> 00:37:57,250
S2: was moved. Yeah. I think she is the ultimate snake

857
00:37:57,250 --> 00:37:59,620
S2: on the plane. She knows when to lie in wait.

858
00:37:59,620 --> 00:38:02,319
S2: She knows when to strike. And that's Jerry. That's how Jerry,

859
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:03,580
S2: who survived so long.

860
00:38:03,730 --> 00:38:05,950
S8: She has like, a bit of the pathogen about. Oh, really?

861
00:38:05,950 --> 00:38:08,770
S8: She's got the Logan. Roy DNA. They're young, but they're

862
00:38:08,770 --> 00:38:12,100
S8: European is just amazing. Like, it's just so it's been

863
00:38:12,100 --> 00:38:15,640
S8: so heavily to like the way Americans view themselves and

864
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,960
S8: obviously their view of Europeans as being like kind of

865
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,109
S8: a bit soft and showy, sick.

866
00:38:20,110 --> 00:38:22,960
S1: With vacation mania and free healthcare. Like we're going to

867
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,660
S1: turn the fact they have an amazing Social Security net

868
00:38:25,660 --> 00:38:28,240
S1: against them, you know, like we're animals because we come

869
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,450
S1: from America and we've been bred against the toughest conditions.

870
00:38:31,450 --> 00:38:32,080
S13: In the world. Yeah.

871
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,839
S8: Whereas they're just over there holidaying and then their fjords

872
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:39,250
S8: and whatnot, like being beautiful and like tall and healthy and. Yeah, amazing.

873
00:38:39,250 --> 00:38:41,170
S8: But no, I agree, Jerry. I mean, she lives to

874
00:38:41,170 --> 00:38:43,980
S8: fight another day, and I think no one's surprised. She is. Yeah,

875
00:38:44,020 --> 00:38:45,370
S8: she is a pathogen like Logan.

876
00:38:48,340 --> 00:38:51,339
S1: All right, time for fun fact. Connor Thomas, you've been

877
00:38:51,340 --> 00:38:53,920
S1: digging hard. You've been digging deep this week.

878
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,529
S8: Yes. Due to mall demand, we have another location based

879
00:38:56,530 --> 00:38:59,860
S8: fun fact in fun fact corner. I mean, look, it's

880
00:38:59,860 --> 00:39:02,980
S8: a no brainer because location, location, location was such a

881
00:39:02,980 --> 00:39:05,410
S8: big part of this episode. So this one is to

882
00:39:05,410 --> 00:39:10,989
S8: do with the stunning location of Madison's corporate retreat. It

883
00:39:10,989 --> 00:39:14,410
S8: was filmed at a place called the J'ouvert Landscape Hotel.

884
00:39:14,410 --> 00:39:17,049
S8: J'ouvert is far away from the densely populated world and

885
00:39:17,050 --> 00:39:19,660
S8: 90 minute drive from the closest Norwegian city of Allison.

886
00:39:20,380 --> 00:39:23,170
S8: You may have noticed that in the film Ex Machina.

887
00:39:23,380 --> 00:39:26,320
S1: Oh, this is where Ex Machina was filmed.

888
00:39:26,350 --> 00:39:28,570
S8: Yes, you can't hear it, but these guys look shocked.

889
00:39:29,500 --> 00:39:31,810
S8: And so basically, the stunning remote getaway was the property

890
00:39:31,810 --> 00:39:33,759
S8: of a tech billionaire in the movie who experimented on

891
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,310
S8: human like robots, which sounds weirdly like the plot of

892
00:39:36,310 --> 00:39:36,700
S8: this episode.

893
00:39:36,790 --> 00:39:38,530
S1: Are you reading this from Wikipedia? Did you write? No,

894
00:39:38,530 --> 00:39:40,509
S1: I wrote this. Okay, great. And I just thought we

895
00:39:40,510 --> 00:39:42,130
S1: should cite wherever the sources are. But if it's your.

896
00:39:42,130 --> 00:39:42,910
S13: Stuff, that's all good.

897
00:39:42,910 --> 00:39:44,020
S2: Yeah, I'm going to fact check that one.

898
00:39:44,020 --> 00:39:46,960
S8: Yeah, don't worry. Meg's on it. So, funnily enough, Kendall's room,

899
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,020
S8: which he specifically in a conversation with Roman, is like, Oh, man,

900
00:39:50,020 --> 00:39:51,970
S8: like my room is small. And it does look kind

901
00:39:51,969 --> 00:39:54,460
S8: of small. Fun fact, it's now available to rent for

902
00:39:54,460 --> 00:39:56,259
S8: $900 Australian a night.

903
00:39:57,250 --> 00:39:58,570
S2: Okay, is this sponsored content?

904
00:39:59,380 --> 00:40:02,200
S8: And I, we're going to be filming the next pod

905
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:02,980
S8: from this place.

906
00:40:02,980 --> 00:40:07,120
S1: $900 seems pretty good. Yeah, like something that beautiful, even

907
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:08,500
S1: though it's like small or whatever. But you're in the

908
00:40:08,500 --> 00:40:09,490
S1: middle of the Norwegian wood.

909
00:40:09,489 --> 00:40:12,400
S8: Yeah, pretty good. And just one more, like, little fun

910
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:18,339
S8: facts addition. The gondola was the sole gondola, a state

911
00:40:18,340 --> 00:40:21,700
S8: of the art electric car, which takes you 1679m up

912
00:40:21,700 --> 00:40:23,020
S8: the mountainside from the fjord.

913
00:40:24,550 --> 00:40:26,469
S1: I, I kind of want to make fun of you,

914
00:40:26,469 --> 00:40:28,120
S1: but I thought that was a great one, man.

915
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,190
S8: That was the funnest fact we've had. So it.

916
00:40:30,190 --> 00:40:31,690
S1: Was good. It was good. I feel like these things

917
00:40:31,690 --> 00:40:33,430
S1: were starting to become like a bit of a meme. Well, like,

918
00:40:33,430 --> 00:40:35,509
S1: you say something so stupid and we all. I thought

919
00:40:35,510 --> 00:40:37,510
S1: that was a great fact. I love I love the

920
00:40:37,510 --> 00:40:40,000
S1: ex machina fact. I love that movie. I love Oscar Isaac.

921
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,489
S1: I didn't quite realize it, but you think about it,

922
00:40:42,489 --> 00:40:45,110
S1: the the kind of like greenery looks kind of similar

923
00:40:45,110 --> 00:40:47,410
S1: to the glass. I kind of see all that, too.

924
00:40:47,410 --> 00:40:48,850
S2: I like that fact. I don't know what I'm going

925
00:40:48,850 --> 00:40:50,950
S2: to do with the gondola one, if I'm honest. Oh,

926
00:40:50,950 --> 00:40:52,029
S2: the ramsdell gondola.

927
00:40:52,030 --> 00:40:53,469
S1: Yeah. Like, what does that mean? Well, I.

928
00:40:53,469 --> 00:40:55,230
S8: Know now if someone's like, Oh, what about the gondola?

929
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:56,860
S8: You're like, Well, let me tell you how high that is.

930
00:40:56,860 --> 00:40:58,840
S8: It's 1679m.

931
00:40:58,840 --> 00:40:59,350
S13: Where does it.

932
00:40:59,350 --> 00:41:01,510
S1: Rank in terms of like highest gondolas?

933
00:41:01,510 --> 00:41:04,840
S8: Like it's the fifth highest and I'm just making this up. Yeah.

934
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,000
S8: So that's two fun facts for you. And I'll be

935
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:08,680
S8: back next week with another fun fact.

936
00:41:08,980 --> 00:41:10,240
S2: Sponsored by I hope.

937
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:10,540
S8: Yeah.

938
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:12,430
S1: Thomas Thank you for that fun fact.

939
00:41:12,430 --> 00:41:13,149
S13: It was a pleasure.

940
00:41:18,530 --> 00:41:22,160
S1: Time for our winners and losers. This is an interesting

941
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,500
S1: one because it's the first time across the run of

942
00:41:24,500 --> 00:41:29,540
S1: this season we've all picked the same top winner. Mel,

943
00:41:29,540 --> 00:41:32,089
S1: you have the honors of saying who it is and

944
00:41:32,330 --> 00:41:33,980
S1: tell us about the rest of your scores.

945
00:41:34,010 --> 00:41:38,630
S2: Congratulations, Shiv. Three points to you. I think it's for

946
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:42,380
S2: the reasons we discussed earlier. She's gone from outsider to insider.

947
00:41:42,380 --> 00:41:45,230
S2: She got knocked down, but she got up again. Nothing's

948
00:41:45,230 --> 00:41:46,430
S2: going to keep her down.

949
00:41:47,690 --> 00:41:47,870
S13: Are you.

950
00:41:47,870 --> 00:41:48,380
S1: Getting paid by.

951
00:41:48,630 --> 00:41:51,200
S13: One? What? You're getting paid by Norwegian tourism. You're getting

952
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:51,770
S13: some really.

953
00:41:51,770 --> 00:41:53,779
S8: Weird brand deals in this podcast.

954
00:41:54,110 --> 00:41:57,380
S1: Any other advertisers listening? Talk to us, please. We are desperate.

955
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,060
S2: I just want to know people to know I'm not

956
00:41:59,060 --> 00:42:04,870
S2: just about Greek mythology. Number two went to Roman. I

957
00:42:04,870 --> 00:42:08,020
S2: know this is controversial, but again, it was really the

958
00:42:08,020 --> 00:42:10,779
S2: work ethic of Roman that I preaching.

959
00:42:10,810 --> 00:42:12,310
S1: This is a this is a big miss from you.

960
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,440
S2: Know, I think we have seen a side of Roman

961
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,720
S2: that we've never seen. He never wanted to be involved

962
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:20,140
S2: in the business, and now he's really involved. Also, Roman

963
00:42:20,140 --> 00:42:22,900
S2: is like famously, he's like, I'm numb. I don't have emotions.

964
00:42:22,900 --> 00:42:26,440
S2: And we saw rage and anger and a spark.

965
00:42:26,710 --> 00:42:27,100
S13: To to.

966
00:42:27,100 --> 00:42:29,799
S1: A completely disastrous end for him. The only thing you

967
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,529
S1: could do all episode was think about what his dad

968
00:42:32,530 --> 00:42:35,380
S1: would have done. He lost his mind, didn't get the

969
00:42:35,380 --> 00:42:38,529
S1: outcome he wanted, despite blowing everything up and is now

970
00:42:38,530 --> 00:42:39,850
S1: completely screwed. Yeah.

971
00:42:39,850 --> 00:42:43,089
S8: This is not who won your heart. I think that

972
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:44,440
S8: all their internal mental.

973
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,080
S2: I think there's only one person that won everyone's heart. No,

974
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:47,440
S2: I think.

975
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,390
S8: That maybe you don't just hate Kendall, but you're a

976
00:42:49,390 --> 00:42:51,040
S8: bit like Roman. Curious. No.

977
00:42:51,219 --> 00:42:56,620
S2: The beast has been awakened inside you. Well, no, I think.

978
00:42:56,620 --> 00:43:00,640
S2: I think Roman something has sparked in him. He. He

979
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,589
S2: has been a joke. He has been a sex pest.

980
00:43:02,590 --> 00:43:06,040
S2: He's been a troubled kid, and now he's interested. And

981
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,440
S2: I think it'll be, you know, he might be able

982
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,210
S2: to work that to his favor should he let go

983
00:43:10,210 --> 00:43:10,680
S2: of Kendall.

984
00:43:10,690 --> 00:43:13,210
S1: You're still wrong. But let's move along. One point you

985
00:43:13,210 --> 00:43:14,530
S1: have to give away. Oh, yes.

986
00:43:14,530 --> 00:43:18,160
S2: This is to to Jerry. She's got a new PR

987
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,290
S2: gig and a new legal gig helping this guy out

988
00:43:20,290 --> 00:43:23,110
S2: with his frozen blood bricks. So I think that's a

989
00:43:23,110 --> 00:43:26,380
S2: good opportunity for her to shine. She's leading the old pack.

990
00:43:26,380 --> 00:43:29,470
S2: She's Coach Carter, one point well deserved by her.

991
00:43:29,469 --> 00:43:30,580
S13: And who lost?

992
00:43:30,580 --> 00:43:33,069
S2: That was Greg. He's really starting to annoy me. He

993
00:43:33,070 --> 00:43:35,259
S2: feels like it's back to his first season where he's

994
00:43:35,260 --> 00:43:38,200
S2: like clingy and desperate and he doesn't know what role

995
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,450
S2: he's meant to play. There's that great moment where he

996
00:43:40,450 --> 00:43:43,990
S2: was like, You guys rock and or Rockefellers and I

997
00:43:43,989 --> 00:43:46,420
S2: think it's Roman is like, Shut up. And that's kind

998
00:43:46,420 --> 00:43:49,450
S2: of how I felt. I was like, Lucas, did you

999
00:43:49,450 --> 00:43:51,250
S2: have to be on this list? What are you bringing here?

1000
00:43:51,250 --> 00:43:53,319
S8: Yeah, I thought that was interesting, though, because Lucas wrote

1001
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:54,430
S8: the list, didn't he? But anyway.

1002
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:56,680
S13: Thomas Yeah, Tell us your points.

1003
00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:00,250
S8: So, Shiv, again, three points. I mean, I think it's

1004
00:44:00,250 --> 00:44:02,770
S8: pretty clear we all agreed she was the clear and

1005
00:44:02,770 --> 00:44:05,410
S8: obvious winner and she has the blood brick intel, which

1006
00:44:05,410 --> 00:44:08,560
S8: is invaluable. Two points to me for Carolina, because she's

1007
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,540
S8: not on the kill list, which I thought was great.

1008
00:44:10,540 --> 00:44:14,319
S8: But also given Madison's like very precarious situation with his

1009
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,080
S8: current head of comms, should the deal go through? She's

1010
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,690
S8: like in pole position to instantly be the new head

1011
00:44:19,690 --> 00:44:22,330
S8: of comms. So I think that's really important because like,

1012
00:44:22,330 --> 00:44:24,850
S8: he's obviously got a pretty tight structure, but that's like

1013
00:44:24,850 --> 00:44:27,969
S8: a one situation he needs to deal with. And Carolina

1014
00:44:27,969 --> 00:44:31,190
S8: could slot right in there. And I gave Tom one

1015
00:44:31,190 --> 00:44:32,989
S8: because also not on the kill list, but now he's

1016
00:44:32,989 --> 00:44:35,540
S8: kind of on sex list, so he's like back in play.

1017
00:44:35,540 --> 00:44:37,819
S8: And I reckon things are playing well for Tom. Like

1018
00:44:37,820 --> 00:44:41,330
S8: he's such an, like amoeba. Like he just like, survives.

1019
00:44:41,330 --> 00:44:45,670
S8: So I really appreciate that. And my obvious loser. Don't

1020
00:44:45,670 --> 00:44:48,600
S8: know how you missed this. Kendall and Roman, the The

1021
00:44:48,670 --> 00:44:52,410
S8: C Bro's got done a bad episode for them. Kendall

1022
00:44:52,420 --> 00:44:55,450
S8: So many mistakes. Yeah. And even Roman from a human perspective,

1023
00:44:55,450 --> 00:44:56,980
S8: I'm so glad that he tapped into his emotions. But

1024
00:44:56,980 --> 00:44:59,170
S8: like the worst possible time on top of a mountain

1025
00:44:59,170 --> 00:45:00,730
S8: while trying to, like, negotiate your level.

1026
00:45:00,730 --> 00:45:02,439
S1: Of contempt on your face. As you look at Mel,

1027
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:02,890
S1: when you say.

1028
00:45:02,890 --> 00:45:03,549
S13: That, what do you think?

1029
00:45:03,550 --> 00:45:06,009
S2: I wanted the Arctic Foxes perspective. Yeah.

1030
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:07,359
S8: So that's.

1031
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:07,930
S13: My list.

1032
00:45:08,140 --> 00:45:11,380
S1: Mine is very similar to yours. Thomas. Shiv gets my three.

1033
00:45:12,810 --> 00:45:14,580
S1: I gave Jeri two because I think she is the

1034
00:45:14,580 --> 00:45:17,700
S1: ultimate survivor. We keep saying that. And she's not just surviving,

1035
00:45:17,700 --> 00:45:22,350
S1: she's clawing her way back up to the top. Tom

1036
00:45:22,350 --> 00:45:24,419
S1: I threw 1.2 as well, I think. Yeah, he's back

1037
00:45:24,420 --> 00:45:27,029
S1: with Shiv and he's back at the top of ATN

1038
00:45:27,030 --> 00:45:30,600
S1: without having to deal with Sid. Kendall is my bigger loser.

1039
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,110
S1: But I think Kendall Slash Ramon did not do well.

1040
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,040
S1: I'm going to do the running tally, which we haven't

1041
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,470
S1: done for a couple of episodes because things have shifted

1042
00:45:37,469 --> 00:45:40,410
S1: a bit. The main thing is that Shivers jumped up.

1043
00:45:40,410 --> 00:45:44,759
S1: She's doubled her points in this league and she's now

1044
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:48,989
S1: at the top sitting pretty. She's just in front of Roman,

1045
00:45:49,170 --> 00:45:51,480
S1: and Tom is kind of been up for a bit

1046
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,969
S1: and he's clinging on to. So the fact that Shiv

1047
00:45:53,969 --> 00:45:55,739
S1: and Tom are both in that top three, I think

1048
00:45:55,739 --> 00:45:58,980
S1: is pretty significant in terms of their power couple standings

1049
00:45:58,980 --> 00:46:01,290
S1: and running at the top five. We've got Kendall and

1050
00:46:01,290 --> 00:46:10,520
S1: Jerry as well. All right. Time for our predictions for

1051
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,650
S1: next week. Thomas, what have you got?

1052
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:16,160
S8: Yes, I think shaven. Tom will have quite a nice dinner.

1053
00:46:16,910 --> 00:46:18,950
S8: He'll wear some dark shoes she can't ruin.

1054
00:46:18,950 --> 00:46:20,219
S2: Oh, she wear the silk blouse.

1055
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,759
S8: Wear the silk blouse. It'll be just like France. No. Yeah,

1056
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,730
S8: They'll have a nice dinner. They'll get back together. They'll possibly, like,

1057
00:46:25,730 --> 00:46:28,719
S8: you know, consummate their reunion. And then I think they're

1058
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:30,980
S8: going to like the power couple thing that's kicking off.

1059
00:46:30,980 --> 00:46:34,069
S8: But I do think that even though we had, like,

1060
00:46:34,070 --> 00:46:37,490
S8: the champagne on the plane and the 192 bonanza, I

1061
00:46:37,489 --> 00:46:39,890
S8: think the deal's not happening. I think there's like too

1062
00:46:39,890 --> 00:46:43,580
S8: much emotion connected. I mean, we saw Roman have his

1063
00:46:43,730 --> 00:46:47,359
S8: moment on the cliff and we know how much Kendall is, like,

1064
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,729
S8: loving this, bro, and, like, we know we're doing it, man.

1065
00:46:49,790 --> 00:46:51,709
S8: Don't you want to do this? Once the mile high

1066
00:46:51,710 --> 00:46:54,710
S8: kind of jubilation wears off of the 192. I think

1067
00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:56,330
S8: they're going to still find a way to take this

1068
00:46:56,330 --> 00:46:58,700
S8: deal and that will kind of begin to set up

1069
00:46:58,700 --> 00:47:01,400
S8: the splintering of the siblings. So, yeah, I think by

1070
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,710
S8: the end of next episode, the Madison deal will be dead.

1071
00:47:03,710 --> 00:47:06,210
S8: But Shiv and Tom will be very much alive.

1072
00:47:06,230 --> 00:47:07,939
S2: Yeah, I think you're going to see a re division

1073
00:47:07,940 --> 00:47:10,759
S2: of the where the Allies are because it's been kind

1074
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:14,240
S2: of the siblings versus the Greys. And now you might see.

1075
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:15,360
S13: The fractured as well, aren't there?

1076
00:47:15,380 --> 00:47:18,439
S2: Yeah, you're going to see the Gojo pros versus the

1077
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,620
S2: Gojo people who want to take the nose. The nose. Yes.

1078
00:47:21,620 --> 00:47:23,330
S8: Jessie to come to us. Yeah.

1079
00:47:25,070 --> 00:47:26,930
S1: And any other predictions smell?

1080
00:47:27,170 --> 00:47:30,529
S2: I do. I have two others. Okay. One collapse collapsed Tron,

1081
00:47:30,530 --> 00:47:33,920
S2: the movie. I've heard rumors that it's going to be

1082
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,280
S2: in 4D, so that's huge. And I reckon they've got

1083
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,950
S2: James Cameron on to direct the next 16. So I

1084
00:47:39,950 --> 00:47:42,380
S2: reckon that's going to be big for Waystar. And also

1085
00:47:42,380 --> 00:47:45,440
S2: my other prediction, I reckon next week's episode is going

1086
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,990
S2: to be the Logan Roy funeral. I think they've been

1087
00:47:47,989 --> 00:47:50,990
S2: building up to that and they gave Connor carte blanche

1088
00:47:50,989 --> 00:47:54,050
S2: approval to do what he wanted with the planning. So

1089
00:47:54,050 --> 00:47:57,380
S2: I think we're going to see what Connor dressed Logan

1090
00:47:57,380 --> 00:47:59,870
S2: in for, for his funeral, which is going to be

1091
00:47:59,870 --> 00:48:02,450
S2: quite fun. And you're going to have all these characters

1092
00:48:02,450 --> 00:48:05,390
S2: from all over the place and from all different seasons,

1093
00:48:05,390 --> 00:48:06,259
S2: all in one room.

1094
00:48:06,260 --> 00:48:08,660
S1: I hope we see the return of the guy from Babe.

1095
00:48:08,660 --> 00:48:10,370
S1: I think. Thomas You like that guy, Logan's.

1096
00:48:10,370 --> 00:48:10,939
S13: Brother, James.

1097
00:48:10,940 --> 00:48:12,860
S8: Cromwell. Yeah, because I know that. I think that's a

1098
00:48:12,860 --> 00:48:15,380
S8: good shout because we know there's a funeral coming. Brian

1099
00:48:15,380 --> 00:48:18,020
S8: Cox spoke about how he attended this, the filming of

1100
00:48:18,020 --> 00:48:19,310
S8: the funeral episode to throw people.

1101
00:48:19,310 --> 00:48:21,140
S1: Off, and he said that it was his idea. He

1102
00:48:21,140 --> 00:48:22,760
S1: was like the producers didn't think about this. Like, if

1103
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:24,830
S1: there's a funeral, I'm not there. It's going to be obvious.

1104
00:48:24,830 --> 00:48:26,540
S1: So I'm going to save you and just rock up

1105
00:48:26,540 --> 00:48:30,290
S1: on the day. Amazing. My prediction was was very similar

1106
00:48:30,290 --> 00:48:33,230
S1: to Thomas is around Shiv and Tom getting together. But

1107
00:48:33,230 --> 00:48:36,250
S1: I do think that there is something else that could happen.

1108
00:48:36,250 --> 00:48:37,759
S1: It could throw a spanner in the works and I

1109
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,790
S1: think that's Madison and Shiv. I just think there's a

1110
00:48:40,790 --> 00:48:42,560
S1: vibe there. I think there's a vibe there. And the

1111
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,110
S1: fact that he's calling her and asking her to send

1112
00:48:45,110 --> 00:48:47,839
S1: him pics from the plane show it was a pic

1113
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:49,759
S1: of her brothers this time. Who knows what sort of

1114
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:51,739
S1: pics she might be sending him later. I just think

1115
00:48:51,739 --> 00:48:52,040
S1: there was a.

1116
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:53,060
S13: Chemistry and.

1117
00:48:53,060 --> 00:48:55,130
S2: You don't think should be disturbed by the blood. The

1118
00:48:55,130 --> 00:48:55,940
S2: frozen blood.

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00:48:55,940 --> 00:48:57,840
S1: If she was disturbed, she wouldn't have like, you know,

1120
00:48:57,860 --> 00:48:59,630
S1: done the kind of deal with him. I think she's

1121
00:48:59,630 --> 00:49:01,580
S1: dealt with fucked up men a whole life.

1122
00:49:01,580 --> 00:49:03,200
S8: Yeah. I think if anyone is going to be down

1123
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:04,540
S8: for blood play, I could see Shiv.

1124
00:49:05,290 --> 00:49:07,580
S2: I mean, she's still wiping off Tom.

1125
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:08,270
S13: Yeah.

1126
00:49:08,810 --> 00:49:13,580
S1: And on that note, great chatting with you, Mel and Thomas.

1127
00:49:13,580 --> 00:49:14,930
S1: Should we hit the sauna?

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00:49:15,380 --> 00:49:18,140
S8: I'm actually got a three night stay at the landscape books.

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00:49:18,900 --> 00:49:20,870
S2: I have some fun facts about gondolas to share with

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00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:21,379
S2: you guys.

1131
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:22,759
S1: Thank you so much.

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S13: I'm going Walmart.

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S8: Play softly in the background.

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S1: This succession recap episode of The Drop was produced by

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00:49:37,460 --> 00:49:39,890
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