WEBVTT - New Book Reveal with my Illustrator Campbell Walker (Struthless) 0:00:02.480 --> 0:00:04.880 Thanks so much for downloading the show. A very special 0:00:04.920 --> 0:00:07.760 episode today in which I bring you a brief conversation 0:00:07.880 --> 0:00:12.040 with Campbell Walker, also known as s Truthless. He's an artist, 0:00:12.039 --> 0:00:15.600 he's a YouTuber, he's an author, he's a dad, he's 0:00:15.640 --> 0:00:18.520 a former tattoo artist, once upon an ad guy and 0:00:18.560 --> 0:00:20.760 a wonderful man. Cam has a new book out now. 0:00:20.760 --> 0:00:23.280 It's called Doom and Bloom. You can hear him chatting 0:00:23.320 --> 0:00:25.800 about that on the Imperfect podcast in a couple weeks 0:00:25.840 --> 0:00:27.920 from now. He was in town chatting with those guys, 0:00:28.280 --> 0:00:30.680 and while he was in town, we took the opportunity 0:00:30.720 --> 0:00:34.519 to take fifteen minutes to grab a couple photos for 0:00:34.560 --> 0:00:37.559 some long lead hard copy press that's coming out, and 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:40.680 jump on the podcast really quickly on my show to 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:44.440 talk about working together on my brand new book, which 0:00:44.479 --> 0:00:46.239 is out on the fifth of August. It's called So 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:50.319 What Now What. In this conversation, Cam and I talk 0:00:50.360 --> 0:00:53.040 about the process that we use. We talk about the 0:00:53.040 --> 0:00:55.400 main character of the book, which at this point has 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:58.560 been completely secret, and we'll get to that right after this. 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:12.920 Good day, Welcome to the show. This is better than yesterday. 0:01:13.040 --> 0:01:16.319 Practical tools and useful conversations to help you make today 0:01:16.360 --> 0:01:19.560 better every single week since twenty thirteen. My name is 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:22.440 Zosha Ginsburg, and I'm grateful that you are here. I'm 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:25.120 thrilled to tell you that you can pre order my 0:01:25.240 --> 0:01:29.200 brand new book. So what now, what? Right? Now? There's 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:31.800 a link in the show notes pre order it and 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:34.119 it doesn't cost much. And if you do pre order it, 0:01:34.400 --> 0:01:38.080 email me a screenshot of your receipt. Send Usher email 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:40.440 at gmail dot com. Email me a screenshot of your receipt, 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:42.760 and I will send you a little something to say 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:46.320 thank you, a coloring in poster of your very own 0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:50.760 featuring the main character of the story. Now, my first book, 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:54.920 which came out in twenty eighteen, is a memoir and 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:57.000 it is being rereleased, So if you don't have a 0:01:57.000 --> 0:01:59.440 hard copy of that, it's altum still an ebook an audiobook, 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:00.960 But if you don't have hard copies, coming back into 0:02:00.960 --> 0:02:04.160 the shops. But when it came to doing a second book, 0:02:04.160 --> 0:02:06.840 I haven't really lived much since I've put that one out. 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:09.080 I've put some extra bits into a second edition around 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:12.080 twenty twenty, but I couldn't really write another memoir based 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:16.640 on five years, so instead I wrote the very book 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:19.120 that I wish I had on the days where I 0:02:19.200 --> 0:02:21.960 was not doing very well with my mental health. Much 0:02:22.080 --> 0:02:24.360 like the reason I started this podcast, I wanted to 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:26.960 hear the kind of conversations that I needed to hear 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:30.200 when I was struggling. I wrote so what now What? 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:32.720 Because when I was not doing very well with my 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:34.400 mental health, I needed to read a book like this, 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:37.640 but I couldn't find anything like it, and so I 0:02:37.760 --> 0:02:40.400 made it. It's the kind of book you would grab 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:43.280 when you tried everything else, but you still feel a 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:46.480 bit stuck, or you might be trying to understand how 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:49.240 someone that you really care about keeps going in circles 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:51.760 and things only seem to be getting worse for them, 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:54.400 and you can't understand why they won't stop doing what 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:57.800 they're doing. It's specifically written for the kind of people 0:02:57.840 --> 0:03:00.760 who aren't really used to asking for help, or I 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:03.000 might be a little bit concerned that if they do 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:06.760 ask for help, it might impact them negatively. Now, I 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:09.720 wanted this book to be as powerful as possible, so 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:14.079 I'm made absolutely sure that I worked hand in glove 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:18.040 with an eminent Australian psychologist, and they made absolutely sure 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:20.400 that all the messages or the metaphors, all the techniques. 0:03:20.440 --> 0:03:22.679 Everything I talk about in this book, everything we show 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:26.400 in this book absolutely legit. Because some of the stuff 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:29.359 in the book can be quite complicated. So to make 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:32.359 some of the concepts and the tools easier to understand, 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:36.240 I wanted to use illustrations to explain everything. Now, I'm 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:39.080 not bad at sketching, I'm okay, but I am not 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:43.280 an artist. So I need an artist. And there's only 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:45.480 one artist that I wanted to make this book with, 0:03:45.680 --> 0:03:49.040 only one person who could understand what it is that 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:52.080 I was trying to do. Only one person who could 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:55.240 get exactly the kind of concepts that I wanted to 0:03:55.280 --> 0:03:59.200 put on the page. And that person is Campbell Walker. 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:03.240 Cam Walker also known as Struthless sixty nine on Instagram. 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:04.640 He's Truthless on YouTube. 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:05.360 Now. 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:07.280 Cam Walker and I have been friends for quite a while. 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:09.360 He made the if you saw my first live show, 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:11.720 there was a video that played before the show that said, Hey, 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:13.520 by the way, there's going to be some pretty rankshit 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:15.960 coming up, so just hold your head because it's going 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:17.799 to be on the way. So he made the warning 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:21.120 video that played at the start of the show. And 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:24.680 he's incredibly talented human being, he's a fantastic communicator, a 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:28.800 brilliant dad, hilarious and even though he is supremely busy 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:31.320 doing all of those things and launching his own book, 0:04:31.360 --> 0:04:33.640 Doom and Bloom, which you can get right now, he 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:36.960 said yes when I asked him to illustrate this book 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:40.120 now for one of a better word. So what now? 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:43.400 What is a graphic novel? It is a conversation between 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:47.800 the book itself and the main character of the book, 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:50.520 which Cam and I will talk about in just a moment. 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:54.120 And I am incredibly proud of it. Like I said, 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:55.719 you can pre order it right now. If you do, 0:04:56.680 --> 0:05:01.159 you're helping me help other people because pre orders play 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:03.880 a really huge role in publishing. The level of demand 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:06.560 for pre orders gives booksellers and the publishers a bit 0:05:06.560 --> 0:05:09.080 of an idea of how hard they can push this 0:05:09.120 --> 0:05:11.560 and where they should push it and how many, say, 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:14.800 for example, books a bookshop will order knowing that they 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:17.120 won't be stuck with them on the shelves. So ideally, 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:19.280 I want to help as many people as possibly can 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:21.320 with this book because not very long, it doesn't cost much. 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:24.240 But the last time I did I put out a book, 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:26.560 I did a sold out national tour. It was super fun. 0:05:27.480 --> 0:05:29.919 We are locking in the final venues right now because 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:31.760 I am going to tour again, and you'll hear me 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:34.400 talking about what I want to do in the tour 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:37.480 in a moment. This show is going to be like something, 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:40.000 something like no one's ever seen before. I really hope 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:42.520 I can make it happen. I'm so proud of this book. 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:45.360 I'm so grateful I got to make it with Cam. 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:47.920 This book is, if anything, it's more like a tool 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:51.720 that you can come back to every time you might 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:54.560 need it. So here's a little bit of a conversation 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:57.159 that I had with my dear friend, the incredible artist 0:05:57.200 --> 0:05:59.880 Cam Walker. And if you like what you're here, get 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:01.720 into the show notes. You'll find a link to pre 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:05.760 order a copy of So What Now What, and possibly 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:08.479 some details about a live tour as well. Enjoy this 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:11.200 catch up with the artist of So What Now What, 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:17.880 Cam Walker. We talked about the kind of year you've 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:20.520 had to if you've been through a fucking ton of 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:23.919 shit and in the middle of that, I call you 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:27.159 up and say, hey, Cam, I know that you've just 0:06:27.200 --> 0:06:29.360 done all this wild stuff and you are hanging on 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:32.440 to the World's most Dangerous World road in the world 0:06:32.480 --> 0:06:35.520 with your fingernails. Would you like to dedicate a couple 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:37.800 months of your life to illustrating a book for me? Yeah? 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:39.880 And I said, yeah sure. And then you said, and 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:44.839 the main characters are hand which if you don't draw, 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:46.000 that's annoying. 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:47.119 Hands are hard. 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:50.960 There's a reason most cartoon characters have gloves. Yeah, and 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:54.080 then three fingers and three fingers or no, no, no 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:57.160 opposable thumb. Their hands are really hard. As you once 0:06:57.200 --> 0:06:59.440 said to me, and I quote to everybody, the hand 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:01.479 is the eye of the arm. That's true. 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:05.800 And honestly, like, no shade on Finding Nemo. But they 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:10.080 kind of had it easy. No hands, bro, think about it. 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:13.920 If you're just doing eyes and answer more vised facial expressions. 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:16.240 I take that back. Yeah, they had to put in 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:21.520 way more. I don't need to have these thoughts out loud. 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:23.720 I just agree. I'm going back to watch Finding Nemo. 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:26.320 I've dived on the actual dive site that inspired the 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:27.040 opening scene. 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:27.680 That's sick. 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:30.480 It's in Fiji, It's fucking that's sick. Yeah. The people 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:32.640 from picture one of them, we're like, this is the place, 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:33.680 this is where we're on the film. 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:34.520 Oh that's so cool. 0:07:34.560 --> 0:07:37.600 It's whether there's this big kind of ridge line that ends, 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:39.840 it goes down like I don't know kilometer, and so 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:42.640 you get a big pelagic cold water fish that mix 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:44.520 with the tropical fish right at the top of it. 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:48.320 Oh wow, thanks for rescuing me. Great, it's a long 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:50.640 way down, but it's yeah, it's really good. 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:52.720 So, yes, we drew a hand character. 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:55.160 We drew a hand character, and so I ask you, like, 0:07:55.200 --> 0:07:58.360 can you can you do this for me? Because adore 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:01.160 the work, you know, adore the the way that you communicate, 0:08:01.240 --> 0:08:02.760 And there was no one else so I ever would 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:05.680 wanted to illustrate this book. And I was just so 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:08.960 grateful with the robustness that you just launched into it, 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:10.680 even though I gave you all main carrige. It's a 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:13.880 fucking hand. One of the hardest things ever to draw 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:17.360 and make look expressive. Like the hand's got to be sad, 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:19.280 the hand's got to be excited, the hand's got to 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:20.440 be running. 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:22.600 Yeah, yeah, which is really fun. 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:25.360 And then even you'd sort of like broken the rules 0:08:25.400 --> 0:08:27.000 of hands as well, because you're like, okay, I want 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:29.520 the pinky to have like four more joints in it, 0:08:29.760 --> 0:08:31.120 so it can do like all of this kind of 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:32.120 like sassy stuff. 0:08:31.840 --> 0:08:34.520 With occasionally the hands hand goes on a hip. So 0:08:34.600 --> 0:08:36.120 I think I do remember going to school with a 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:38.240 kid that could do some cool shit with his little 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:40.199 finger like that, and it would make people vomit. He's 0:08:40.240 --> 0:08:43.600 in jail now, probably if your trick is to make 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:47.160 your knuckles bend backwards. Yeah, dude, you're already on a list. 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:47.679 Iay watch this. 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:49.800 Yeah that guy. 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:53.560 Yeah, but you said yes, yeah, it was real fun 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:55.320 and then like when you're like, okay, I want it running, 0:08:55.320 --> 0:08:58.079 and then I was like, okay, I just watched Fantasia. 0:08:58.120 --> 0:09:01.360 You got to rewatch it every year, especially part with 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:03.400 like whatever, and so I was like, oh, I can 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:06.000 like Sorcerer's Apprentice the Glove and have the glove like 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:07.599 sort of running and running and running. And that was 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:09.679 really fun because it gave it like so much personality. 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:11.719 And then we yeah, ended up kind of. 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:13.800 Making the face a little bit rubber hosey, which is 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:14.360 real fun. 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:16.280 That's kind of old stylee. 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:20.800 Mickey Mouse, which by the way, you can absolutely use 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:25.360 it is copyright free. Yeah as of two years ago. Really, 0:09:25.480 --> 0:09:28.000 Oh yeah, man, put steamboat Willie on a shirt. Do 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:31.280 it make some money? It's public domain, baby. 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:34.920 Oh wow. I asked you to do some pretty wild stuff. 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:37.400 And one of the reasons that I wanted you and 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:40.040 only you to do this is because I knew that 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:42.080 when I said to you, I'm going to need a 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:44.920 metaphor for this, but it involves a whole and a 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:49.920 labrador and a typographic monster with two shovels. You went, 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:53.600 no problem, Yeah, yeah. 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:55.960 Yeah, dude, Yeah for sure. I mean you were super 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:58.080 specific with the brief, and it made total sense to me. 0:09:58.600 --> 0:10:00.600 You know, when you get like to a point of 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:03.439 like telepathy because someone's communicating quite clearly, and you're like, yeah, 0:10:03.480 --> 0:10:05.120 I know exactly what's in your head. You don't need 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:06.360 to say the rest of the words, but I can 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:07.960 do it, and you're trying to get it out of 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:09.719 your head into mind so my hands can put it 0:10:09.760 --> 0:10:10.360 onto the paper. 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:11.280 That's probably how I. 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:12.800 Felt then, But now as you say it out loud, 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:15.000 I'm like, yeah, that was that was pretty fucking weird, dude. 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:17.000 But that's also why I wanted you to do it, 0:10:17.000 --> 0:10:21.319 because because they when I first got the book deal, 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:22.920 they said, oh, we could get this out of so 0:10:23.000 --> 0:10:24.880 that I still we could just you know, get someone. 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:28.640 I'm like, nah, I won't be able to communicate this 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:30.640 to anybody except camp. 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:32.720 It was really it was such a such a pleasure 0:10:32.720 --> 0:10:35.720 to draw as well, because I think the thing that 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:40.360 really helped with that process was when I also, you know, 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:42.480 when they when they will put me forward to do 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:45.000 the layouts as well. So it's like I've done the illustration, 0:10:45.240 --> 0:10:47.120 and in my head I had this sort of idea 0:10:47.240 --> 0:10:49.520 of how I wanted the text to play with all 0:10:49.559 --> 0:10:51.360 of the things, and how I wanted all the backgrounds, 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:52.960 and how I wanted each page to look like it's 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:56.400 own artwork, because I feel like the book you wrote, 0:10:56.880 --> 0:10:58.720 you know, it's the one hundred and something pages, and 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:02.360 each page has its own lesson, and I wanted I 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:05.160 don't know, in my head, I had it like envisioned 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:07.960 it's sitting on somebody's stand, on one of those open 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:10.560 bookshelfy things where it could be there, and I'm like, okay, 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:14.280 I want to make each page worthy of that position in. 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:17.160 A room that it exists by itself. 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:20.719 Yeah, yeah, yeah, And so I was going from that 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:24.480 as my starting point, and I don't know, maybe it's 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:26.400 what we're talking about before the fixation. 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:28.840 Just like just cap going and it was so much fun. 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:32.840 You absolutely nail that. You've got to do the layout. 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:35.600 And for people that don't know what layout is is 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:38.199 I don't know, a picture of magazine you know you'll 0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:40.280 see or maybe a website, right, you see there's a 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:43.280 headline at the top, there's usually some boulder font something 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:45.679 in italics, with a byline. There's a photo, usually some 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:48.000 metallica to make that, and then a couple of paragraphs 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:50.199 and then an ad for some depending on who you are, 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:54.200 either nine out of ten people over fifty can't believe 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:56.959 they missed out on this, and then the rest of 0:11:57.000 --> 0:12:01.600 the article all right, yeah, which is me. So that's layout, yay. 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:05.800 But that can tell the story, it can detract from 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:09.320 the story, Like anytime you've sat. If I ever use 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:10.920 a web breas that doesn't have ad blockers on it, 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:12.480 I'm like, how the fuck do people deal with all 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:15.400 this flashing shit? So I have everything locked down? The 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:18.839 layout can I either detract or really amplify? And what 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:20.840 the fact that you got to do the layout just 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:24.120 amplified so much of it, even things like colored choices 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:27.839 of backgrounds in converse to you know, the antithesis of 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:31.960 that point twenty pages ago. It's unbelievably well thought out. 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:32.240 Man. 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:34.120 Oh thanks, man, I appreciate it. 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:34.800 It was so cool. 0:12:34.840 --> 0:12:36.640 Yeah, it's really cool. And like got to denim my 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:37.960 own font for it, which. 0:12:37.760 --> 0:12:38.440 Was really fine. 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:40.800 Yeah. So, I don't know, just like putting everything on 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:46.080 the page and just feeling this holistic sense of like 0:12:46.880 --> 0:12:47.880 aesthetic ownership. 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:53.079 It was beautiful, just taking a moment away from cam 0:12:53.160 --> 0:13:03.840 Walker play some ads back in a sec. What I 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:06.640 really liked as well is that when I was trying 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:10.480 to picture something that wasn't working, or you were doing 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:12.720 something that wasn't quite mixing the mark, missing the mark, 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:15.200 I don't think. I don't think we ever had a 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:18.160 moment where I was like, fuck you, it's going to happen. 0:13:18.160 --> 0:13:20.400 It was like okay, man, sure, yeah absolutely, If that 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:23.240 doesn't land take it away, Yeah I was. I was 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:26.679 so wonderfully detached from like I just wanted to do this. 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:28.800 How do I get it to do this? I'm not 0:13:28.840 --> 0:13:31.640 attached to I love that we were able to do that. 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:32.000 Yeah. 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:34.400 Thanks. I haven't had a working relationship like that for 0:13:34.400 --> 0:13:36.959 a while, and really, well, I mean I have really 0:13:36.960 --> 0:13:39.600 created working relationships. But it was very It was a 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:43.760 really positive thing because we're both creating this thing. It's 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:46.400 no longer just mine, it's ours. We have to both 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:47.959 be cool with it, and both our names are going 0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:52.160 on it. Yeah, and I really really liked that we 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:53.599 were able to do that. This is act. This is 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:54.920 the very iPad that I did a lot of that 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:55.719 sketching on. 0:13:56.120 --> 0:13:59.640 True, I'd like to bring him one point of tension 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:01.000 and take your handwriting. 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:03.880 I'm terrible. It's so bad the work. 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:07.080 It is like you'd make it like obviously your parents' adopters. 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:10.080 You know that's true. I'm gonna I'm gonna bring up 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:11.560 for I've got someone probably got some so. 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:15.640 Oh yeah, I want everyone to just bring up an original. 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:18.120 I'm going to bring up an original, one of my 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:20.040 original sketches. A lot of these were done on the plane. 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:21.080 Your sketches are good. 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:23.840 Thank you, you're very good at drawing. And then thank you. 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:27.280 And then it's just these like it's like reading shorthand 0:14:27.320 --> 0:14:29.160 and like like you know when you read like old 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:30.840 court documents and there's someone who would like do like 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:31.680 the squiggles and stuff. 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:33.200 Yeah, that's the one. 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:36.120 I've got one of the original sketches here. It's about 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:39.200 the one regarding cognitive fusion, which is a very difficult 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:41.280 thing to talk about, but it's one of the things 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:43.120 that really distracted me. 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:43.800 That's that one. 0:14:43.960 --> 0:14:46.560 Yes, and the idea was that you have this thought, 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:50.080 and the thought is so intense and so visceral that 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:52.440 it's like you're getting sucked into the horror movie and 0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:54.680 suddenly you're there. I don't know if you remember that. 0:14:58.840 --> 0:14:59.960 Yeah, this is exactly what I mean. 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:03.320 And it's like, these are super legible sketches in my opinion, 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:06.320 like I completely understood what you were talking about. It's like, yeah, 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:08.880 Glovey's watching a horror movie. Then that horror movie feels 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:11.880 like it's alive, and then it's like, yeah, here's the Runes. 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:18.160 You know, Yeah, you're decidh for those genius. 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:20.440 Yeah, I listened to a lot of Viking metal. 0:15:20.520 --> 0:15:23.160 You're like, yeah, here's my impression of every language at once. 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:28.480 There was a couple of a couple A couple of 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:33.520 the sketches were which I'm stoked about. A couple of 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:38.120 the sketches were my actual hand because I would be 0:15:38.440 --> 0:15:39.920 I was like, how do I draw the hand? I 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:41.720 want to do that and so I would hold the 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:43.600 iPad like this and take a photo of my hand 0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:45.640 in the position I wanted it, and then sketch over 0:15:45.680 --> 0:15:47.240 it and then put the face on it, and a 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:49.360 couple of them made it into the book, see, which 0:15:49.400 --> 0:15:50.120 I'm stped for. 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:52.760 Yeah, I definitely made it left so I could, like, 0:15:52.920 --> 0:15:53.880 you know, do it lifetime. 0:15:55.080 --> 0:16:02.680 And I'm glad you did because the live show. So 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:07.359 the next live show, you wanted me to make a puppet, 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:10.080 like a giant, life sized puppet that I inhabit. Yeah, 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:11.000 inhabit yeah. 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:14.320 Yeah, yeah, analogue and you're like, nah, dude. 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:17.040 So I'm working with a guy who's the professor at 0:16:17.040 --> 0:16:19.720 one of the art schools here in Sydney, and with 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:24.520 another mate who worked on the Minecraft movie, and to 0:16:24.680 --> 0:16:30.400 live motion capture my actual hand are using a hacked 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:36.400 VR headset wearing a head band with an iPhone twelve 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:39.600 on the front that captures my face. And I'm glad 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:40.720 you made at the left hand. This is why I'm 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:42.160 glad you made at left hand, because then my right 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:45.160 hand can bring it and bring out the layers. And 0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:49.200 so the live show is me with that projected behind me, 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:53.080 using all the InDesign layers and bringing them up on 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:55.320 the screen and like doing the show. 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:55.440 Love. 0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:57.360 You're looking at me like a coykup right now? 0:16:57.440 --> 0:16:57.600 Is it? 0:16:57.600 --> 0:16:58.800 Because what's awesome? 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:01.600 I think, like because I knew you wanted to do 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:04.040 a moke cap, but I think in my head there 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:06.240 was somebody else doing it and so you could interact 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:07.919 with them. But the fact that you're doing it all 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:09.639 day yourself, you're like Beardy Man or something. 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:10.240 It'll be man. 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:12.320 Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're like just doing it all at once. 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:14.719 Well, because you know, Reggie Watts, it's not the eighties, man, 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:17.240 you can't take twelve piece funk bands on the road anymore. 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:18.920 You've got to do it by yourself, like every other 0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:21.480 person i'd take on the road, Like ah you imaginet 0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:23.159 start to get out the window. So it's like, how 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:25.600 can I do this with as little few people as possible? 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:30.359 And yes, so pretty much. So I've yet to figure out. 0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:32.440 I yet to do the proof of concept, but I 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:34.800 think that's going to be it. I think that's going 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:39.240 to be the show, and that it's so we because 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:41.080 it's a conversation between a book and a glove. 0:17:41.320 --> 0:17:43.359 Yeah, this is normal, this is normal. 0:17:43.720 --> 0:17:46.040 So the book is the whole book is a conversation. Okay, 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:49.800 So I'm thinking the live show will be Glovey, which 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:52.800 we call Bookie and Glovey. We'll called it Glovey will 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:58.720 be reading it in their voice because I couldn't figure 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:01.400 out how to turn the mo cap off off and 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:02.920 be the voice of the book and I didn't want 0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:07.440 to be overly cranky or have the pathos really get 0:18:07.480 --> 0:18:09.840 in there from the book voice. I want a glove 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:13.600 to be curious and go, huh, how would you know? 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:16.360 Like it's reading the text as it comes up. Oh, well, 0:18:16.400 --> 0:18:18.919 I guess, And they're responding. Glove is responding to the 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:21.000 text that comes up. The other characters are simply the 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:23.640 text coming on the screen. So ambitious. 0:18:23.640 --> 0:18:24.359 I love it. 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:27.000 I love it so much so I keep swearing, but like, yeah, dude, 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:27.480