WEBVTT - 'Fifth deception' 0:00:02.240 --> 0:00:03.520 Nine podcasts. 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:08.000 The ground prosecutor finishes her closing arguments, telling the jury 0:00:08.039 --> 0:00:12.560 the accused killer engaged in multiple calculated deceptions, alleging she 0:00:12.680 --> 0:00:15.760 persisted with telling lies even when the lunch guests were 0:00:15.800 --> 0:00:19.520 gravely ill, and accusing her of trying to play the jury. 0:00:20.560 --> 0:00:24.720 Victoria's mushroom mystery, the mushroom lunch that claimed three lives 0:00:24.840 --> 0:00:27.880 an Australian family's meal is now the center of a 0:00:27.880 --> 0:00:29.080 homicide investigation. 0:00:29.200 --> 0:00:32.000 The bizarre tragedy now grabbing global headlines. 0:00:32.120 --> 0:00:35.840 Aaron Patterson's alleged victims died after eating a family lunch 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:37.480 she'd serve them at her home. 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:41.239 I cannot think of another investigation that has generated this 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:44.120 level of media and public interest. 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:46.640 Four of the guests of that lunch were much loved 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:47.920 members of this church. 0:00:48.320 --> 0:00:49.960 Only one will ever return. 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:55.320 People are feeling very heavy with having lost such wonderful people. 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:58.960 Today, Aaron Pattison remained here inside her home. 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:04.200 She's continued to plead her innocence in a court room 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:05.280 in Country Victoria. 0:01:05.440 --> 0:01:08.880 Aaron Patterson is on trial accused of using death cat 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:12.319 mushrooms to kill She's pleaded not guilty to murdering three 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:14.560 of her former in laws and attempting to kill a 0:01:14.640 --> 0:01:18.280 fourth the town's church pastor. It's up to the jurors 0:01:18.319 --> 0:01:21.600 to decide what happened when Patterson's loved ones sat down 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:27.000 to eat. The prosecution has now finished the closing arguments 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:30.120 to the jury in this case, and initially Nnette Rogers 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:33.319 told the jurors there were four calculated deceptions that she'd 0:01:33.360 --> 0:01:36.920 take them through. There was then a little surprise, an 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:39.240 extra bit that came, which you'll hear a little bit 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:42.080 later in this episode. But let's start off with what 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:45.240 happened when Nannette Rogers got to her feet to make 0:01:45.280 --> 0:01:46.399 these final submissions. 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:50.040 Yeah, she got to court pretty early, rearing and ready 0:01:50.080 --> 0:01:54.040 to go. As she took to her feet, she moved 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:56.560 the lef turn in front of her to face directly 0:01:56.680 --> 0:01:59.080 to the jury, So she therefore had her back to 0:01:59.120 --> 0:02:01.720 Aaron Patterson, who is now in the dock and was 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:04.880 facing directly to the jury. Penny, And at this point 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:07.320 I noticed that she opened a red bind of folder 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:10.240 and in it were pages and pages of printed notes 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:13.240 in paragraphs, which is how we've seen her bring her 0:02:13.280 --> 0:02:15.880 notes to court throughout the whole trial. And she really 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:19.120 started off with a bang straight away telling the jury, 0:02:19.200 --> 0:02:21.519 these are the four things that I'm going to take 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:23.960 you through in particular. But it was in that fifth 0:02:23.960 --> 0:02:28.400 surprise element, Petty, that really had I guess everybody in 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:30.799 the court room, the jurors, members of the public, and 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:33.600 the media thinking, well, what's this. We thought that we're 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:36.040 only going to have four, but essentially there was a fifth. 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:39.320 Now, this closing has gone over multiple days, and we're 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:41.720 going to take you through in chronological order and the 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:43.200 topics that Nanette. 0:02:42.880 --> 0:02:44.519 Rodgers took the jury through. 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:47.600 So to start off with, let's hear what she said 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:50.600 about these initial four calculated deceptions. 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:52.880 These are her words. It's voiced by an actor. 0:02:52.840 --> 0:02:55.680 Members of the jury. The twenty ninth of July twenty 0:02:55.760 --> 0:03:00.440 twenty three lunch was arranged by the accused. Each of 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:05.440 the guests were thereby her invitation. She alone chose what 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:10.200 to cook, obtained the ingredients, and prepared the meal. Despite 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:13.040 the recipe being for a single dish intended to be 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:18.680 cut into smaller serves, the accused made individual portions. That 0:03:18.880 --> 0:03:24.079 choice to make individual portions allowed her complete control over 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:28.600 the ingredients in each individual parcel. It is a control 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:34.800 the prosecution says that she exercised with devastating effect. It 0:03:34.840 --> 0:03:37.720 allowed her to give the appearance of sharing in the 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:41.880 same meal whilst ensuring that she did not consume a 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:46.920 beef Wellington parcel that she had laced with death cap mushrooms. 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:52.360 Each of the deliberately poisoned parcels was served and consumed 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:57.200 by only Header and Ian Wilkinson and Don and Gail Patterson. 0:03:58.200 --> 0:04:02.320 What are the reasonable possibility he can explain why all 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:06.040 of the lunch guests became so gravely ill with death 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:11.160 cat mushroom poisoning, but that the accused did not. At 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:15.480 the heart of this case r four calculated deceptions made 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:16.640 by the accused. 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:21.159 Now, the first of these alleged four deceptions that make 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:24.159 up this case that Nanette Rogers sc took the jury 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:27.839 to is what the prosecution alleged is this cancer lie. 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:31.120 And they say the reason why Aaron Patterson held this 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:33.440 lunch in the first place and why she invited her 0:04:33.480 --> 0:04:34.919 loved ones over to her home. 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:38.839 Yes, she said that the that Pattison's fake cancer diagnosis 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:42.600 really gave her lunch guests a reason to attend what 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:47.039 Annette Rogers says was otherwise a really unusual lunch and 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:51.120 she started explaining in her words that the accused painted 0:04:51.160 --> 0:04:54.440 a picture of a gathering that wasn't just social. This 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:56.800 wasn't just a social catch up. It was a catch 0:04:56.839 --> 0:05:00.760 up where the kids would be absent. And the prosecutor 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:03.560 said that that alone emphasized the serious nature of the 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:06.680 matter that the accused allegedly wanted to discuss. 0:05:07.000 --> 0:05:07.880 And we'll hear. 0:05:07.680 --> 0:05:10.080 Throughout the evidence as well as what we're talking about 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:12.760 a lot of references to different witnesses and their evidence. 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:15.919 That's how the prosecution is laying out their arguments. So 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:19.400 as part of this element and this sort of subtopic 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:21.360 that she was talking about with the jury, and Neette 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:24.919 Rodgers noted that the daughter of Aaron Patterson, who's given 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:28.599 evidence via the recorded video interview with police, had mentioned 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:31.680 that her mum wanted to discuss adult things, yes, just 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:33.200 with the adults at this lunch, and. 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:36.200 She said that the jury should really consider. 0:05:35.800 --> 0:05:38.000 That and take on board that and some evidence from 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:42.760 other witnesses, including Simon Patterson and Ian Wilkinson, that this 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:45.320 was the purpose of the lunch, was to discuss something 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:48.680 just for adults and something quite serious, and in her 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:52.360 leaning towards this being something of a serious medical nature, 0:05:52.440 --> 0:05:55.520 and she touched on Ian Wilkinson's evidence of this being 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:58.839 a life threatening diagnosis and a life threatening situation that 0:05:58.880 --> 0:05:59.920 she'd found herself in. 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:03.920 Yeah. Rogers also reminded the jury that when Simon Patterson 0:06:03.960 --> 0:06:09.560 declined to attend Penny, the accused expressed irritation at this 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:12.080 and telling him quote, I may not be able to 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:15.000 host a lunch like this again for some time. The 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:17.680 prosecution alleged that was sent in an attempt to change 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:20.000 Simon Patterson's mind and get him to attend. 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:23.120 Nannette Rodgers also spoke about in this part of her 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:26.560 closing address that it was the planting of a seed, 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:29.960 that there was a research that Aaron Patterson had conducted. 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:32.920 She said this was pre planned, but that in the texts, 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:36.320 particularly that the jury have been shown between Gail Patterson 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:41.080 and Aaron Patterson, that there was evidence, she says, of 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:44.320 this seed being planted of I'm getting a biopsy, yes, 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:47.240 algo biopsy, and then I'm going to get an MRI, 0:06:47.680 --> 0:06:49.760 and that Gail had then written in her diary. As 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:52.040 the jury has been taken through on this particular date, 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:56.480 around a month before Aaron Saint Vincent's and the evidence 0:06:56.520 --> 0:06:59.240 that they've been shown through medical appointments and things that 0:06:59.240 --> 0:07:02.480 were conveyed to family to plant this seed that something 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:04.279 was really seriously wrong with her health. 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:07.600 Yeah, and then another part to that as well was 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:11.720 this making sure that the children weren't their penny. The 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:14.280 way that Ninette Rogers explained it to the jury today 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:17.280 was their case is that this was done to ensure 0:07:17.280 --> 0:07:19.240 that they wouldn't be harmed, to ensure that there was 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:22.960 no way that they could eat this poisoned lunch. And 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:25.560 we heard a little bit more about the kids and 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:29.720 they what they said in their statements throughout the prosecution closings, 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:33.800 but essentially it was wrapped up and summarized this particular 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:38.720 chapter almost of the closings as being an elaborate lie. 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:42.160 You heard the evidence of Professor Andrew Burston, the intensive 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:46.440 care specialist who examined her medical records and found no 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:51.360 evidence that she had received a cancer diagnosis. And of 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:54.840 course here in court the accused agreed she had never 0:07:55.040 --> 0:07:59.560 been diagnosed with cancer. You might be wondering why on 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:03.600 earth would she tell such a lie. Well, the prosecution 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:06.840 says that the accused never thought she would have to 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:10.520 account for this lie. She did not think her lunch 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:14.520 guests would live to reveal it. Her lie would die 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:15.400 with them. 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:18.880 Now, the next topic that the Crown prosecutor took the 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:22.520 jury to was the fact that the prosecution alleged Aaron 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:26.320 Patterson deliberately sawce deathcap mushrooms and that she then placed 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:31.240 them into this pre planned, organized special meal that she 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:34.280 wanted to have her family members come and eat with her. 0:08:34.559 --> 0:08:37.200 Yeah, it's been referred to throughout the trial as the lunch, 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:39.800 but this was one of the ways that Nannette Rogers 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:43.640 described this particular alleged deception as well as being the 0:08:43.760 --> 0:08:47.600 lunch and being the second deception. She was explaining to 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:50.640 the jury that it's the lethal doses of poison that 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:54.360 the prosecution say Patterson sought out and then disguise in 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:57.400 this beef Wellington that really made up this particular category. 0:08:57.480 --> 0:09:00.640 And she started off by explaining to the jury that 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:04.760 it was Aaron Patterson who chose the meal, who chose 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:09.480 to serve this particular style of the meal that deviated 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:12.480 from the recipe book, and that she was solely in 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:16.880 charge of sourcing the ingredients as well. We have heard 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:20.600 earlier from the parts of the trial that Aaron Patterson 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:23.400 had said that she wanted to cook something special, something fancy. 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:28.200 But Rogers maintains that despite this, and despite getting on 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:31.160 the standard and saying this to the jury, that at 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:33.680 no point did Aaron Patterson tell her guest that wild 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:37.520 mushrooms would be in the meal, and that she really 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:40.840 didn't follow that recipe book the way that it was 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:41.640 explained to her. 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:46.240 In touching on that, the Crown prosecutor mentioned that Aaron Patterson, 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:51.000 she alleges, sought specifically out the individual stakes to make 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:55.080 individual portions of beef Wellington rather than the Logs style 0:09:55.240 --> 0:09:58.280 larger piece of meat than the recipe tin eats recipe 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:02.240 actually called for, and she noted in her closing that 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:05.720 Aaron Patterson, she says, not only sought out that meat, 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:08.920 but so that she could create these individual parcels and 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:10.960 so that she could be certain that there would be 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:14.360 a parcel for her to eat, that the prosecution alleges, 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:16.480 wasn't poisoned and that's that so. 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:18.000 She got avoid poisoning herself. 0:10:18.840 --> 0:10:21.160 To go a step further, they say the reason Aaron 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:24.240 Patterson was or the way they say Aaron Patterson was 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:27.199 ensuring she wouldn't eat that was with a different colored plate, 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:29.520 and to explain that, they went back to the evidence 0:10:29.559 --> 0:10:31.599 of Ian Wilkinson. These are some of the words of 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:32.319 Nnette Rogers. 0:10:32.440 --> 0:10:36.400 Sc Ian Wilkinson told you that the accused plated the 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:41.520 food by herself. He gave clear evidence of four matching 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:44.840 large gray dinner plates, not dark or light gray, but 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:48.480 a sort of middle gray color was his evidence. And 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:54.480 then a fifth smaller orangey tan colored plate. Under cross examination, 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:58.600 he conveyed no doubt about what he had seen. There 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:02.480 were four plates that the same, they were gray, and 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:06.920 there was one smaller, different colored plate. Ian Wilkinson was 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:10.679 a compelling witness who was able to recall a substantial 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:14.120 amount of detail about the lunch. You might recall him 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:16.960 describing the discussions at the house about a sick looking 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:20.600 tree and the accused pantry. He had a clear memory 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:23.319 of where everyone sat at the dining table during the lunch, 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:26.640 and you will remember the photo where he marked where 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:29.840 people were sitting at the dining table. He had a 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:33.040 clear memory of exactly what was served at the lunch. 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:38.760 The individual wholly encased pasty type beef wellington, mashed potato 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:43.320 and green beans. You will have no trouble in being 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:48.000 satisfied that he is a reliable witness, and you can 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:50.920 confidently accept what he told you about the details of 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:55.440 the lunch, including the four gray plates and the fifth 0:11:55.600 --> 0:11:58.640 odd plate. Of course, as you have heard, Ian was 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:01.120 not the only person to know not the different plate. 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:05.520 Heather Wilkinson said to Simon Patterson on the Sunday morning 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:09.640 that she noticed Aaron served herself her food on a 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:12.640 colored plate which was different to the rest. This was 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:15.320 clearly something that's stuck in Heather's mind. 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:20.120 It was noteworthy the prosecutor put to the jury that 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:23.200 this website I Naturalist, then they've heard a lot about 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:26.840 She alleges that Aaron Patterson had the knowledge to use 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:30.080 that website, that she'd visited that website back in May 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:32.760 twenty twenty two, bit over a year before the lunch 0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:35.480 was put to the jury. This evidence that they've seen 0:12:35.520 --> 0:12:39.400 a number of times of the particular search for I 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:41.760 Naturalist and then the narrowing in on a map of 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:43.880 Victoria for deathcap mushroom sightings. 0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:46.480 At the same time that there was a. 0:12:46.440 --> 0:12:49.360 Search for the curran Borough Middle Pub and that purchase 0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:52.160 that was made with Aaron Patterson's details for a family 0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:53.120 dinner at that time. 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:55.800 The prosecutor really put to the jury. 0:12:55.480 --> 0:12:58.040 That they should take on board this evidence as being 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:01.560 an example of Aaron Patterson, they say, being able to 0:13:01.679 --> 0:13:04.280 use that website, using that website to look for death 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:07.600 cat mushrooms at that particular occasion, and they said that 0:13:07.679 --> 0:13:11.920 she also had the knowledge to blitz these mushrooms up, 0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:16.800 as heard through the evidence of her estranged husband, Simon Patterson, 0:13:16.880 --> 0:13:19.480 in a conversation they had at the hospital with their 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:23.239 children of how she had hidden mushrooms before in muffins 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:27.439 for their daughter to taste test. Nanette Rogers sc referred 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:30.520 to that as being a knowledge base for Aaron Patterson 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:33.000 and an example of her blitzing up mushrooms before, and 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:35.640 that this was something she knew how to do well 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:36.360 at this time. 0:13:37.080 --> 0:13:39.520 Yeah, and then she explained a little bit further about 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:42.400 the fact that any suggestion that wild mushrooms were added 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:46.840 accidentally should should be rejected, not only for the reasons 0:13:46.840 --> 0:13:48.640 that you just said, Penny, but also that we heard 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:51.680 from this expert witness, Tom May and he'd said that 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:54.920 he'd dried death cat mushrooms in the past as part 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:58.720 of his job, and he recalled them smelling very, very unpleasant, 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:03.120 and that was unlikely then that somebody would put something 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:06.560 that smelt really, really unpleasant deliberately into a meal that 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:10.000 was supposed to be special In connecting these dots here 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:12.600 as she was doing today, that's when she spoke a 0:14:12.600 --> 0:14:15.280 little bit more about the fact that because they would 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:18.559 have smelt very unpleasant, it's a prosecution's case that it's 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:21.600 unlikely that deathcat mushrooms would have then just been chopped up. 0:14:21.840 --> 0:14:23.840 They would have had to have been blitzed into a 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:27.040 powder to be then hidden into the food. And this 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:29.600 is something the accused had told her online friends as 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:32.320 well that she'd done before, as she mentioned with the 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:36.760 muffins as well, that experimentation and it was another type 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:40.880 of experimentation as well that Nanette Rogers put to the 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:44.200 jury was part of this particular deception, and that was 0:14:44.240 --> 0:14:48.160 within days of purchasing a food dehydrator we know happened 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:53.080 in April twenty twenty three. The prosecution say that Patterson 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:55.760 undertook a test run with button mushrooms and then took 0:14:55.800 --> 0:14:58.320 photographs with the device and then sent them to her 0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:01.920 online friends. Test run it was another part of that 0:15:02.040 --> 0:15:06.600 experimentation that the prosecution allege happened before deathcap mushrooms were 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:10.200 actually picked forage and then put into the dehydrator before 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:10.960 going into the meal. 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:13.960 Now, the third point that the prosecution took the jury 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:17.320 through as part of these closing arguments sort of subheadings, 0:15:17.520 --> 0:15:20.600 was that they say Aaron Patterson was attempting to make 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:24.640 herself look sick so that medical professionals and other people 0:15:24.720 --> 0:15:28.000 would think she had ingested the deathcap mushrooms, because they 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:30.480 allege if she wasn't seen to be sick like her 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:32.440 lunch guests, that would be suspicious. 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:36.600 Yeah, the prosecution maintained that Aaron Patterson wasn't sick, and 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:40.000 so these attempts to make it look so were to 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:41.800 try and cover her tracks a little bit or to 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:46.440 disguise her crimes. Is the way that the prosecution explained it. 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:49.760 And as part of this third deception, the prosecution said 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:52.160 the accused of different accounts of when she became sick 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:55.920 to different people. There was lots of different ways the 0:15:55.960 --> 0:16:00.120 prosecution alleged the evidence contradicted itself, and there was a 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:02.720 lot of back and forth about these different things. But yeah, 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:06.160 one of those elements of this being unwow was when 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:09.880 was she sick? How sick was she before she even 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:11.160 made it to the hospital. 0:16:11.480 --> 0:16:13.880 And one of those points that the prosecution went back 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:15.720 to a number of times, as you said, was that 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:21.120 Aaron Patterson, their prosecution alleged, through Simon Patterson's evidence, initially 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:24.480 told him that she'd become ill about this four four 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:26.840 thirty time on the Saturday afternoon. Now that's about an 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:28.720 hour and an hour and a half since the gun 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:32.000 lunch guests left her home. The other lunch guests all 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:35.360 became ill sort of after eleven thirty around midnight one 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:38.360 am following that lunch, and the jury was told some 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:40.680 evidence that had come through one of the doctors at 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:43.640 one of the hospitals that this was an initial flag 0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:46.160 for some of these medical professionals, that this may have 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:49.480 been a mushroom poisoning incident rather than regular food poisoning, 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:52.600 because the prosecution says in the evidence that the jury 0:16:52.720 --> 0:16:56.440 has heard from these witnesses, usually food poisoning sets in 0:16:56.480 --> 0:16:59.720 within a couple of hours, which it appeared with what 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:02.440 Patterson was talking about with her symptoms, that they were 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:05.560 relatively soon to having eaten the meal, but that it 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:08.520 was these lunch guests who became gravely ill and three 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:12.919 of whom lost their lives. Actually, they had become sicker 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:16.760 much later in terms of the onset of their particular symptoms. 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:19.199 Two to three hours for the onset of sort of 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:22.640 gas stro or food poisoning related symptoms, but twelve hours 0:17:23.000 --> 0:17:26.439 typically round about four deathcat mushroom poisoning. And it was 0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:30.159 the on call toxicologist at the dating On hospital. The 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:32.880 jury were reminded today that was the one that put 0:17:32.880 --> 0:17:36.639 those pieces together, along with the doctor who was working 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:38.480 at lean at the hospital. The two of them had 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:42.000 a foreign conversation and that's when deathcat mushroom poisoning was 0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:46.080 really put on their radar for the first time. But 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:49.960 we also then heard a little bit about what happened 0:17:50.160 --> 0:17:53.120 the day after the lunch Penny and the prosecution was saying, 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:56.080 this is another example of why Aaron Pattison couldn't have 0:17:56.119 --> 0:17:58.879 been as ill as she was telling health officials and 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:02.080 friends and family she really was, and that was a 0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:05.679 long two hour round trip. We heard that she was 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:08.280 taking her son to a flying lessons in tai Ab, 0:18:09.160 --> 0:18:11.359 but it was at this time she also had told 0:18:11.520 --> 0:18:14.520 later on a health Department official that she had explosive diary. 0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:18.000 During this time, Sonette Rodgers was explaining to the jury 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:21.160 that there was these different versions of events happening. Could 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:25.919 somebody with explosive diary driver to our around trip and 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:29.040 not have an accident, and that these were the different 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:31.960 pieces of evidence that we'd heard over the last month 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:34.920 or so that Nenette Rogers was really putting together and 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:37.960 trying to convince the jury why they should side with 0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:39.240 the prosecution in this case. 0:18:39.640 --> 0:18:41.880 And as some of this, what the prosecution was also 0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:44.040 touching on was the Saturday night trip in taking the 0:18:44.080 --> 0:18:47.240 friend's son home after the lunch that Aaron Patterson had 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:50.159 told Simon Patterson and other people that she had taken 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:53.880 this boy home at around seven seven thirty, that she'd 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:56.760 then taken her son to subway, And the prosecution was 0:18:56.800 --> 0:18:58.919 putting to the jury why would she have made that 0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:02.119 stop when she'd also told other witnesses that at that 0:19:02.160 --> 0:19:05.520 point she was really worried that she wasn't really well 0:19:05.640 --> 0:19:08.640 enough and she wouldn't really make it through other sort 0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:10.840 of trips without an accident. Why is that she was 0:19:10.880 --> 0:19:13.720 then stopping to get a takeaway meal? But the jury 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:16.720 was then taken to another day after the lunch, being 0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:19.440 the Monday, the thirty first, the day Aaron Patterson first 0:19:19.480 --> 0:19:22.160 presented at the Lee and Gatha Hospital, and they were 0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:26.760 told that when she first presented that she seemed, on 0:19:26.800 --> 0:19:31.520 the prosecution's allegation, reluctant to have treatment, but reluctant even 0:19:31.560 --> 0:19:32.080 to come. 0:19:31.960 --> 0:19:32.879 Into the hospital. 0:19:32.880 --> 0:19:35.000 That the prosecution put to the jury that it was 0:19:35.080 --> 0:19:37.560 this point when she arrived that it was put to 0:19:37.600 --> 0:19:39.920 her that there might be mushroom poisoning. That that was 0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:44.000 the first time she, they alleged, realized that there was 0:19:44.040 --> 0:19:46.480 a concern about deathcat mushroom poisoning and that there was 0:19:46.520 --> 0:19:49.119 a concern that perhaps she may have something to do 0:19:49.200 --> 0:19:51.320 with that, and that's why the prosecution alleged that she 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:52.280 left the hospital at. 0:19:52.240 --> 0:19:53.639 That time and for almost two hours. 0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:55.720 Penny, Yeah, they say that that one hour and thirty 0:19:55.720 --> 0:19:57.760 eight minutes that she left for that she had done 0:19:57.840 --> 0:20:01.160 that because she realized what the doctors and nurses were 0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:03.240 thinking and therefore didn't want to be in that place. 0:20:03.280 --> 0:20:06.560 So the prosecutor touched on some evidence from some of 0:20:06.560 --> 0:20:09.240 the nurses, one who said that she couldn't get Aaron 0:20:09.280 --> 0:20:12.520 Patterson to come in and initially get her observations taken properly. 0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:16.120 She'd said that it was to prepare things for her children. 0:20:16.200 --> 0:20:18.280 She'd said it was to prepare things for her animals. 0:20:18.440 --> 0:20:20.520 She'd also said that it was to pack her daughter's 0:20:20.520 --> 0:20:23.200 ballet bag. But it was touched on quite a bit 0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:26.560 by the prosecutor that she'd also said to her estranged husband, 0:20:26.560 --> 0:20:29.480 Simon Patterson, on his evidence that when she went to 0:20:29.560 --> 0:20:32.600 her home at land Gatha, that she'd laid down on 0:20:32.680 --> 0:20:35.199 the floor for around forty five minutes and fallen asleep, 0:20:35.240 --> 0:20:37.360 and the prosecutor put to the jury that even if 0:20:37.359 --> 0:20:40.600 that was the case, the prosecutor says that she feels 0:20:40.640 --> 0:20:42.679 that's an unlikely thing for someone to do in this 0:20:42.760 --> 0:20:45.280 situation when they knew other people were sick in hospital 0:20:45.320 --> 0:20:48.679 and they themselves had these symptoms, but that even if 0:20:48.720 --> 0:20:51.320 she did lay down for forty five minutes, that doesn't 0:20:51.359 --> 0:20:54.800 account for the entire space of time. And that's when 0:20:55.080 --> 0:20:57.680 the prosecutor also said to the jury that they had 0:20:57.720 --> 0:21:02.760 seen CCTV some security footage of Aaron Patterson leaving that hospital, 0:21:02.760 --> 0:21:05.000 and she put to the jury that there was nothing 0:21:05.040 --> 0:21:07.600 to indicate that she was weak or unable to walk 0:21:07.600 --> 0:21:09.919 in that particular footage that she'd driven away from the 0:21:09.920 --> 0:21:12.840 hospital and eventually after that hour and thirty eight minutes 0:21:12.840 --> 0:21:13.800 she drove herself back. 0:21:14.000 --> 0:21:16.160 Yeah, and Nnette Rogers took quite a bit of time 0:21:16.680 --> 0:21:19.560 comparing who said what at one point as well explaining 0:21:19.560 --> 0:21:21.200