WEBVTT - Professor Aiden Warren with Pat Panetta - Thu 26 Jun, 2025

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, he's Australia overnight with the Pat Pernetta.

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<v Speaker 2>Australia overnight. Now, what will be the fallout from the

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<v Speaker 2>US strikes on Iran? Our next guest is Professor Aiden

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<v Speaker 2>Warren from Romot University. Now, this is changing pretty quickly,

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<v Speaker 2>this crisis in the Middle East. But the time of

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<v Speaker 2>recording this discussion, shortly before going to air, we know

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<v Speaker 2>that Trump called the US to strike three nuclear sites

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<v Speaker 2>in Iran using the American B two bombers and the

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<v Speaker 2>bunker Buster bomb. A few other details too to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about with our next guest as far as what's happening now,

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<v Speaker 2>including the ceasefire, how will Iran respond? We know there's

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<v Speaker 2>been a hit on the US bas in Qatar. How

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<v Speaker 2>successful were the strikes and will there be more bombing?

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<v Speaker 2>To discuss it further, Professor Aiden Warren from the School

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<v Speaker 2>of Global, Urban and Social Studies at Remt University. Hi there, Aiden,

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<v Speaker 2>welcome back to the show.

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<v Speaker 3>Hi, how are you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm good Now. I just wanted to mention that we're

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<v Speaker 2>recording just before going to air because things are moving

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<v Speaker 2>quite quickly. But yeah, well, you know, ceasefire is something

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<v Speaker 2>we're looking at at this point in time. Those questions

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<v Speaker 2>are interesting. How successful were the strikes, will there be

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<v Speaker 2>more bombing, how will Iran respond? What's going to go

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<v Speaker 2>with the ceasefire? Your thoughts and all this?

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<v Speaker 3>Please aiden, Oh boy, there's lots of unpacked there. Look

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<v Speaker 3>at the moment we are at.

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<v Speaker 4>A ceasefire has declared, And initially it was declared this

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<v Speaker 4>morning from Donald J. Trump that there was a ceasefire

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<v Speaker 4>between he had broken a seaside between.

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<v Speaker 3>Israel and Iran, and then there.

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<v Speaker 4>Was more details that of course this was orchestrated or

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<v Speaker 4>also broken by the guitar. President, I believe in the equation.

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<v Speaker 4>And then from there on in the details a bit

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<v Speaker 4>murky as to.

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<v Speaker 3>Whether Israel and Iran had agreed on the terms.

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<v Speaker 4>But since, you know, over the course of the day,

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<v Speaker 4>Iran has come out and indicated that it has agreed

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<v Speaker 4>with the terms of the agreement. In Israel has also

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<v Speaker 4>said it agreed to US President Donald Trump cees fire

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<v Speaker 4>proposal following its military successes in Iran. So obviously the

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<v Speaker 4>this this cease fire has been announced obviously with a

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<v Speaker 4>with a time time frame. But in the meantime, Israel

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<v Speaker 4>and Iran have been also you know, continue on with

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<v Speaker 4>their various assertive bombing campaigns and so forth, trying to

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<v Speaker 4>get a few few away before of course the ceasefire

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<v Speaker 4>you know, comes into play, which in itself is a

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<v Speaker 4>you know it always maccab thing about war the other

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<v Speaker 4>thing I will say. So obviously this follows a long

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<v Speaker 4>procession of events, we know it. He really got to

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<v Speaker 4>the point where, you know, obviously we have the the

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<v Speaker 4>the Israel Iran flict or the Israel invasion of Iran.

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<v Speaker 1>That's you know, probably in this eleventh to twelfth day.

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<v Speaker 4>And then of course that went back and forward to

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<v Speaker 4>the point where Trump of course came into the equation

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<v Speaker 4>because obviously it was illustrated to Trump that Iran did

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<v Speaker 4>not have the sorry, Israel did not have the capabilities

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<v Speaker 4>to get into, you know, get those the requisite nuclear sites.

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<v Speaker 3>We saw the lead up to that.

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<v Speaker 4>Which of course was you know, you know, I mean

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<v Speaker 4>like something out of a movie in a way, where

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<v Speaker 4>you had a decoy couple of b B two bombers

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<v Speaker 4>heading to Guam, and then you had another procession moving

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<v Speaker 4>to the Middle East. Then you have of course bombers

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<v Speaker 4>going in overnight and hitting those three sites. And then

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<v Speaker 4>of course one the one submarine sending Tomahawk strikes into Isfahan,

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<v Speaker 4>which is one of the third which is the third

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<v Speaker 4>side the main sites.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, we were definitely Photo and of course.

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<v Speaker 4>The Tans and so those who were with bunker busses.

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<v Speaker 4>Then there was a whole debate about, you know, whether

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<v Speaker 4>or not Trump had the authority, and then there was

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<v Speaker 4>a whole debate about, you know, did this is a

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<v Speaker 4>big one that came to the four did those bunker

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<v Speaker 4>busses actually really get inside and do the records of

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<v Speaker 4>damage to really destroy the material or the sort of

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<v Speaker 4>the infrastructure and the centrifuges and so forth, particularly in

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<v Speaker 4>Photo in terms of the tons, of course, did that

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<v Speaker 4>to what extent did they get did get inside the tons?

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<v Speaker 1>And then of course in Isfahan, to what extent was it.

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<v Speaker 4>Able to get the secured or a uranium that was

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<v Speaker 4>already enrich And that led to another debate about did

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<v Speaker 4>Iran actually have time to move that material.

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<v Speaker 3>So there's been a whole lot going on.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, it's really been a and I won't say

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<v Speaker 4>hours our proposition, but it's been really you know, every

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<v Speaker 4>file four or five hours there's been something developing.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, and the world has been waiting with beta breath.

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<v Speaker 4>Of course, so after those strikes from Trump in the

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<v Speaker 4>United States, then everyone was waiting with beta.

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<v Speaker 3>Breath of what was Iran's response going to be?

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<v Speaker 4>And they responded, of course with their their sending twelve

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<v Speaker 4>to thirteen missiles to Guitar.

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<v Speaker 3>Really what easily interceptor?

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<v Speaker 4>They also advised Guitar and I believe the United States station. No,

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<v Speaker 4>they didn't advise the United States. They advised us how

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<v Speaker 4>that these were coming. Nothing really was substantially damaged. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>telling a why don't.

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<v Speaker 3>You asked a lot?

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<v Speaker 2>Did as very interesting?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, but basically, look that went through to the keeper.

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<v Speaker 4>Those those they were thwarted or they went they were

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<v Speaker 4>inconsequential those missiles.

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<v Speaker 3>And then just on that.

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<v Speaker 2>To be warned and inconsequential to fire the missiles. Is

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<v Speaker 2>that a bit of an active force from Iran to

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<v Speaker 2>showcase what they're doing, But then they didn't really want

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<v Speaker 2>to do as much damage as they could by warning

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<v Speaker 2>people and easily intercepted. Is there something we can read

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<v Speaker 2>into that situation?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, you're then on the head.

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<v Speaker 1>Basically from my point of view, this is.

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<v Speaker 4>What I think is is really you know, it's sometimes.

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<v Speaker 1>Referred to as a Goldilocks strike.

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<v Speaker 3>Where you're just wanting to get it right. You're wanting

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<v Speaker 3>to say face, You're wanting to if.

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<v Speaker 4>I was the supreme leader of Iran, really wanted to

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<v Speaker 4>at least look.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I'm doing something.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not just sitting there idol and not responding to

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<v Speaker 4>those you know, significant significant attacks of course by the

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<v Speaker 4>United States on those three you know, really significant pillars

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<v Speaker 4>of the Iranian states in terms of those nuclear sites.

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<v Speaker 4>And then of course, you know you want to at

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<v Speaker 4>least be doing something.

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<v Speaker 1>You know your your power is waning, you know your your.

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<v Speaker 4>Missile your missile capacities has been diminished over the last

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<v Speaker 4>week or so, and so you send this strike. It's

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<v Speaker 4>almost like, Okay, I've responded, and then hopefully that will

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<v Speaker 4>be where things are said or will example enough from

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<v Speaker 4>the United States not to get think go hardcore back

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<v Speaker 4>in their response. They let that go through to the keeper.

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<v Speaker 4>Israel of course, has still kept up its campaign hitting

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<v Speaker 4>Iran and Iran vice versa to Israel, but it's probably

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<v Speaker 4>allowed an opportunity, of course, where something was able to

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<v Speaker 4>be broken. I mean Trump's of course said that he

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<v Speaker 4>he's organized the deal between Israel and Iran.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's also come out that, as I've alluded to guitar,

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<v Speaker 3>the leader.

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<v Speaker 4>Has come out and also helped broke or helped discuss

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<v Speaker 4>with Iran coming towards moving towards a ceasefire which hopefully,

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<v Speaker 4>hopefully can work towards coming towards a conclusion to this war.

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<v Speaker 4>But remember the sea spires, that's face. So, without going

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<v Speaker 4>on too much, cea spires in the context of if

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<v Speaker 4>we look at it in the context of Ukraine and Russia, well,

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<v Speaker 4>you know they can be easily contravened.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's right, yes, yes, Australia have a night professor

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<v Speaker 2>Aden Warren from Ramot Universities with US the US political

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<v Speaker 2>exp Was there another way? Did it have to be

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<v Speaker 2>this way? You know, diplomacy and Israel were concerned or

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<v Speaker 2>the world was concerned about Iran and making nuclear weapons

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<v Speaker 2>for a long time, and it's come to this. Was

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<v Speaker 2>this the only way to sort of bring it to

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<v Speaker 2>ahead and get in there and eliminate the production capabilities

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<v Speaker 2>of these bombs? And here we are, Well.

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<v Speaker 3>From my point of view, yes, there was another option.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought there was a good thing in tackle.

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<v Speaker 4>It was called the Iran nuclear deal that went from

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<v Speaker 4>twenty fifteen to eighteen as one of Obama's signature agreements.

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<v Speaker 4>It went a long way to mitigating Iran as the

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<v Speaker 4>threats in terms of nuclear weapons.

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<v Speaker 3>And also so I thought that that was already in place.

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<v Speaker 4>Trump, of course in twenty eighteen got rid of that

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<v Speaker 4>because you know, he wanted widen it to include other

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<v Speaker 4>activities of the Iran States, and also he wanted it

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<v Speaker 4>was an Obama signature agreement, so that there was probably

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<v Speaker 4>pert all things from my point of view, that got

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<v Speaker 4>you know, want him to get rid of it.

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<v Speaker 3>But if we.

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<v Speaker 4>Fast forward to now, from my point of view, I

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<v Speaker 4>think that I think that going in, you know, the

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<v Speaker 4>threat wasn't imminent as what is being made out.

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<v Speaker 3>They had a nuclear enrichment program.

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<v Speaker 4>They were enriching up to levels that were probably beyond

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<v Speaker 4>that you know I have for nuclear energy purposes, but

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<v Speaker 4>they were they were enriching. They did not have the

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<v Speaker 4>delivery capability is a long way of having a delivery

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<v Speaker 4>capability for a nuclear weapon, and that's.

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<v Speaker 3>The other thing that comes from the equation.

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<v Speaker 4>And excuse me, they had the and so that was

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<v Speaker 4>that's the other thing that comes in the equation.

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<v Speaker 3>For me is they didn't have.

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<v Speaker 5>The delivery and and I really I think I had

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<v Speaker 5>problems also with the notion that you know, invading another

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<v Speaker 5>state to really and then and really going hard with

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<v Speaker 5>with interventions and use a military.

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<v Speaker 3>Force is I don't think it's a way to go.

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<v Speaker 4>I think this is high stakes, high risk, and I

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<v Speaker 4>wouldn't get carried away that he's Trump's pulled it off,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, in terms of getting a ceasefly CPI.

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<v Speaker 3>Is one thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But now we have to nut out an agreements.

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<v Speaker 3>We have to nut out, you know, as Iran and Israel.

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<v Speaker 4>Accepting terms, and we have to hope that there is

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<v Speaker 4>not any other skirmishes in between. And we also have

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<v Speaker 4>to hope that there's not other any retaliation with other

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<v Speaker 4>proxies of Iran than and other friends and allies of

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<v Speaker 4>Iran in the region.

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<v Speaker 3>So there's a lot to play itself out. It's a

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<v Speaker 3>good result now, but from my point of view, I think.

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<v Speaker 4>That I would have preferred, you know, there was we're

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<v Speaker 4>off to the there was a Trump A fairness to

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<v Speaker 4>Trump was his administration was in their fifth round of

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<v Speaker 4>talks with Iran and they're about to have the sixth

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<v Speaker 4>round of talks with Iran when Israel took it upon

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<v Speaker 4>itself to attack Iran, and I thought that, you know

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<v Speaker 4>those talks, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, people say they weren't going to yield.

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<v Speaker 4>Me think I think that there could have been a

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<v Speaker 4>deal nutted out of that. But depends on where you

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<v Speaker 4>are on the spectrum. I think that there could have

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<v Speaker 4>been another option. I think it was high risk intervening.

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<v Speaker 1>In another state and potentially opening.

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<v Speaker 3>Up a regional war, even World War three.

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<v Speaker 2>Well one, double three six nine three, Professor Adam Warren's

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<v Speaker 2>on the line, and if you want to comment, agree

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<v Speaker 2>or disagree, that's our number here at Australia of n

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<v Speaker 2>won double three six nine three. You said they didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have the delivery capability, but wasn't it only a matter

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<v Speaker 2>of time that would work it out though?

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<v Speaker 3>Professor Well, well that's the whole that's a very good question.

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<v Speaker 4>Look, when the around Nuclear Deal was signed and ratified

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<v Speaker 4>and so forth, it expands it around nuclear breakout capacity

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<v Speaker 4>from twelve to fort en months, and basically there was

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<v Speaker 4>you know, there were sanctions that could have easily been

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<v Speaker 4>snapped back into place, and there was International Atomic Energy

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<v Speaker 4>Agency inspectors always inspecting sites at all at all times,

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<v Speaker 4>whenever they wanted to at will. When that was of

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<v Speaker 4>course scotched by the trump of minister stration Iran, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>regime started enriching up to other levels and higher levels

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<v Speaker 4>into dangerous that it was also because you know, why

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<v Speaker 4>would you be wanting to comply with the West when

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<v Speaker 4>they're you know, they are the ones who walked away

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<v Speaker 4>with that particular agreement.

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<v Speaker 3>That's that's the way you can look at it. But look, my.

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<v Speaker 4>View is that they were enriching up to a sixty

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<v Speaker 4>percent level.

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<v Speaker 1>You need about ninety percent to even have the.

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<v Speaker 4>Requisite material, so probably about two to three weeks away

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<v Speaker 4>from that if they wanted to.

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<v Speaker 3>But then they have to have the missile.

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<v Speaker 4>Then they have to have the harness that that particular

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<v Speaker 4>technology into a light enough warhead to again be able

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<v Speaker 4>to wage this sort of attack. So to me, according

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<v Speaker 4>to and again according to other people in the nuclear domains,

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<v Speaker 4>there was still ample you know, there was still ample

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<v Speaker 4>time to go and look from my point of view,

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<v Speaker 4>also again Iran is part of the Nuclear non Proliferation Treaty.

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<v Speaker 4>It does not have nuclear weapons, It did not have

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<v Speaker 4>a nuclear bomb. North Korea has nuclear weapons, is not

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<v Speaker 4>part of the MPT. Israel has nuclear weapons, is not

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<v Speaker 4>part of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty or the MPT.

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<v Speaker 1>Pakistan does, India does, and they are.

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<v Speaker 4>Both also not part of the Nuclear Ompiliferation Treaty, and

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<v Speaker 4>they yet afforded all sorts of concessions. So I'm not

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<v Speaker 4>saying I'm a proponent of around having a nuclear weapon,

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<v Speaker 4>but from an Iraan perspective, I think that needs to.

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<v Speaker 3>Be played itself out into the equation. You know, they're

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<v Speaker 3>part of the Nuclear Opliferation Treaty.

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<v Speaker 4>Those four nation states that I mentioned, Pakistan, India, Israel,

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<v Speaker 4>and North Korea are not part of the Nuclear Nonpliferation

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<v Speaker 4>Treaty and they have nuclear weapons and they do not

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<v Speaker 4>allow inspections into their respective sites.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, is the only difference, as made a good point there.

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<v Speaker 2>But the difference might be the fact that, well, Israel

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<v Speaker 2>are there, and it's easy for us to say because

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<v Speaker 2>we're long way away and let's try to negotiate this way,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're all over it. But if you're in Israel,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe this is a political motive. It's a greater threat,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's just next door and the Gaza thing and

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<v Speaker 2>it's all happening that's the difference in my mind. You

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned these other places, but it's quite unique what we've

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<v Speaker 2>been watching there in the Middle East in that threat

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<v Speaker 2>just across the road there from Iran has meant that

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<v Speaker 2>Israel has decided to try to stop them with whatever

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<v Speaker 2>they were doing with nuclear weapons, and that's what's led

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<v Speaker 2>to this. But your point is, what about those other countries.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't disagree with that. I mean, I think that, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you're right.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't understand why from Israel's perspective, why they enjoy

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<v Speaker 4>having the nuclear monopoly in the Middle East. So the

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<v Speaker 4>only country in Middle East that has a nuclear monopoly

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<v Speaker 4>right and has nuclear weapons and has you know, in

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<v Speaker 4>between three to four hundred nuclear weapons. That's a lot

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<v Speaker 4>and so therefore they probably don't want to be sharing

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<v Speaker 4>that power with another nation state in the Middle East.

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<v Speaker 4>But from I think, from from a rain perspective, how

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<v Speaker 4>how I can understand.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not condoning.

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<v Speaker 4>I would not want them to get a nuclear weapon,

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<v Speaker 4>but I think they liked the fact that they had

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<v Speaker 4>a little bit of nuclear ambiguity because it was their

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<v Speaker 4>way of having a bit of a terrence.

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<v Speaker 3>It was their way of hope, hopefully making you.

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<v Speaker 4>Know, you know their threats, because we can't just assume

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<v Speaker 4>that you know, Israel has threats, and therefore we always

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<v Speaker 4>we're always got to look after Israel's perceived threats. There's

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<v Speaker 4>other nation states in that region they feel under thread also.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, So it's the which is their tactic. And I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not condoning those either.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just saying, when you have dynamics, they don't just come,

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<v Speaker 4>they don't just come born out of nowhere sort of

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<v Speaker 4>so to speak.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, everyone's playing their card and this in this you know,

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<v Speaker 2>this thing that we're watching, this conflict that we're all

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<v Speaker 2>holding our breath on. So I guess as we go

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<v Speaker 2>one double three six nine three, I'm going to ask

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<v Speaker 2>you where to from now? But we don't know, do it.

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<v Speaker 2>It feels like a bit of a de escalation to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we've had a flaring up and let's hope that

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<v Speaker 2>it can just sort of settled down to be.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I'm going to be optimistic about it, you know

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<v Speaker 4>what I mean. I know I'm trying to I'm being

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<v Speaker 4>quite frank and trying to.

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<v Speaker 3>Wave everything up. But you know, I think now that.

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<v Speaker 4>We're here, now that we've you know, we've we've we've

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<v Speaker 4>gone right, We've gone right up to you know, how

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<v Speaker 4>do I say this is high risks?

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe the mistaken about it. This is a high risk.

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<v Speaker 4>If Trump pulls a rabbit out of the heart, which

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<v Speaker 4>you just might do, well, then you know we on

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<v Speaker 4>the I'll be the first is hopefully you know, if this.

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<v Speaker 3>Means that Iran and we'll get maybe even some regime

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<v Speaker 3>change with a decent regime in there. If this means

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<v Speaker 3>that there'll be.

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<v Speaker 4>No more you know, there'll be Israel will settle down

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<v Speaker 4>and I won't be just contravening other states as borders

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<v Speaker 4>and doing what they will will If this means that

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<v Speaker 4>other states in the region behave a little better and

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<v Speaker 4>we can get some sort of you know, less tension

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<v Speaker 4>in the region, I'll be the first to sort of say, hey,

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<v Speaker 4>well done, but the rabbit's pulled. You know, he's pulled

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<v Speaker 4>a bit of a rabbit out of having now. But

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<v Speaker 4>let's face it again, anything can change.

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<v Speaker 3>By the time this goes to air.

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<v Speaker 4>This is a cease fire. Now we need to work

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<v Speaker 4>out the terms of an agreement. Now we need to

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<v Speaker 4>get both parties to agree to the agreement. And I

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<v Speaker 4>know that Iran will be still wanting certain things going

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<v Speaker 4>their way, and so will Israel and.

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<v Speaker 3>That's you know as well as I do. That's going

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<v Speaker 3>to be really hard to broker.

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<v Speaker 4>And if they do not, and they do not come

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<v Speaker 4>to terms, well then there'll be a return to escal

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<v Speaker 4>there will be a return to missiles from both sides,

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<v Speaker 4>and then you got again have us into the equation.

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<v Speaker 4>So from my end, I know I'm talking a lot,

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<v Speaker 4>but really there's a lot time play itself out. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>very I'm stoked that there is a cease fire. I

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<v Speaker 4>hope continues into an agreement that both parties agree on.

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<v Speaker 4>I'd love to see regime change with a decent regime

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<v Speaker 4>comes to the fore in Iran and.

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<v Speaker 1>Then hopefully go to everlasting peace in the Middle East.

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<v Speaker 3>That would be my ultimate goal.

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<v Speaker 2>You're being modest and kind saying you're talking a lot,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's very sharp analysis. This is your world. You

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<v Speaker 2>get it, and you can you know, you're watching it,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're giving us your true insight, and it's very

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<v Speaker 2>helpful for our listeners and for me to sort of

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<v Speaker 2>hear what you've got to say, and of course we

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<v Speaker 2>process it and think, well, you know, we see it

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<v Speaker 2>on the news and what is Professor Adam warren't saying.

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<v Speaker 2>So thank you for your time on Australia every night.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll talk to you soon again on the program.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you anytime, Thank you very much.