WEBVTT - Jonathan Kearsley with Pat Panetta - Thu 26 Jun, 2025

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<v Speaker 1>Now this is Australia Urbanize with Pat Panetta.

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<v Speaker 2>Great to have that company. It's the Thursday morning edition

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<v Speaker 2>of Australia every night. Pat Paneta in for Tony McManus.

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<v Speaker 2>As we take your calls into the we small hours

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<v Speaker 2>this morning on that number one double three six nine three.

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<v Speaker 2>But firstly, before taking your calls, I said to the

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<v Speaker 2>US now in Los Angeles, California. Jonathan Kurzley is nine

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<v Speaker 2>Radio's US correspondent and he's live on the line now.

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<v Speaker 2>Good day, John O.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, good morning to you ma, and good morning to

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<v Speaker 1>all business.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you gee. Not much on is there. It's amazing

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<v Speaker 2>what we're seeing and hearing with this conflict in the

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<v Speaker 2>Middle East, and of course the focus is on well

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump and what's happening there in the US, So

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<v Speaker 2>give us the very latest, please.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely well. Donald Trump has made his way to the

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<v Speaker 1>NATO someone in the Netherlands of the Hague, where essentially

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<v Speaker 1>he's been flanked by European leaders. He's been praised by

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<v Speaker 1>Marco Rudder, who's nash of the NATO Secretary General as

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<v Speaker 1>Daddy called him Daddy Trump for trying to solve the

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<v Speaker 1>conflicts between Israel and Iran. He now says that he'll

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<v Speaker 1>be managing to talk to a run next week over

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<v Speaker 1>a nuclear deal. That is his hope, his belief. So

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<v Speaker 1>let's see whether or not that.

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<v Speaker 3>Does play out. Because the other concern for him has

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<v Speaker 3>been US intelligence reports that have been suggesting that the

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<v Speaker 3>damage to Iran's nucleus was not exactly as Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 3>had said. He had said they'd been totally obliterated. The

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<v Speaker 3>intelligence report said that they weren't destroyed, that Around's nuclear

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<v Speaker 3>program was only set back a matter of months, not years.

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<v Speaker 3>Donald Trump today disputing that, insisting its decades and that

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<v Speaker 3>this is simply too early in the system to know

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<v Speaker 3>exactly the full scale of this type of intelligence. So

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<v Speaker 3>he obviously wants to see more. But in a matter

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<v Speaker 3>of hours he will make his way back from NATO

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<v Speaker 3>to Washington, DC and to the White House. He would

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<v Speaker 3>think that this NATO someone would be successful.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's been successful because essentially NATO and the NATO

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<v Speaker 4>nations have done everything that he wants them to do,

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<v Speaker 4>largely that is increased defense spending to five percent of

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<v Speaker 4>their GDP.

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<v Speaker 1>They've given a commitment in principle on that, and essentially

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<v Speaker 1>he's had all of these nations and the NATO Secretary

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<v Speaker 1>General bending the knee if you like to him. And

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<v Speaker 1>clearly NATO has decided they need Donald Trump on board

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<v Speaker 1>for the war between Ukraine and Russia, and the only

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<v Speaker 1>way to have him on board in their eyes is

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<v Speaker 1>to hit praise and lavish praise on him. So that

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<v Speaker 1>is exactly what they have been doing over the course

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<v Speaker 1>of the last day or so, and it seems, unsurprisingly

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<v Speaker 1>that that is exactly what Donald Trump likes. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this style of this straight talking, keeping people off balance,

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<v Speaker 2>getting in there and you know, doing it the way,

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<v Speaker 2>which is quite unique. As we know, looks like there's

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<v Speaker 2>progress being made. I guess it has ebbed and flowed

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<v Speaker 2>and their promise has been made. But in this case NATO, yep,

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<v Speaker 2>everyone's changed their spending on defense, as you say, and

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<v Speaker 2>the ceasefire sort of kicked back in after he was

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<v Speaker 2>pretty strong with a few words there. So this style

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<v Speaker 2>seems to be pushing things forward, John O.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a brash style and it's a style that the

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<v Speaker 1>world was not accustomed to from an American leader under

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<v Speaker 1>his first term. That is why things were a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit rocky first time around, because the world didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>how to deal with him. They didn't know how to

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<v Speaker 1>contend with an American president that was essentially capable of

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<v Speaker 1>trashing allies and partnerships and playing, in Donald Trump's view,

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<v Speaker 1>America first. So this time around, there are a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of nations who seem to think they have worked him

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<v Speaker 1>out and that the best way to deal with him

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<v Speaker 1>is to just satisfy him, to appease him, because fear

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<v Speaker 1>of not doing so means there could be punishment in store.

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<v Speaker 1>And the problem with Donald Trump is that nations don't

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<v Speaker 1>know exactly what the punishment could be. It could be

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<v Speaker 1>cutting some sort of defense ties, it would most likely

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<v Speaker 1>be centered around trade, but angering Donald Trump is something

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<v Speaker 1>that nations just don't want to do. So yes, you

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<v Speaker 1>are seeing an appeasement of the American president, an appeasement

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<v Speaker 1>of the United States administration. And Donald Trump still has

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<v Speaker 1>more than three and a half years to go on

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<v Speaker 1>his second term.

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<v Speaker 2>And just back to that point about the damaging around

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<v Speaker 2>nuclear capabilities, As you say, those bunker bastards got down

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<v Speaker 2>there and and blasted those areas, but we don't really

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<v Speaker 2>know yet what it has achieved. Will that be fair

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<v Speaker 2>to say we need to you said, the intelligence is

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<v Speaker 2>coming through, but is it too early to tell exactly

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<v Speaker 2>how far we have damaged their ability to make these bombs.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it depends on who you speak to. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's very clear that this assessment came out of the

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<v Speaker 1>Defense Intelligence Agency is just an initial assessment. There are

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<v Speaker 1>going to be plenty, plenty more that will come over

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<v Speaker 1>the course of weeks and months. Israel had said it

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<v Speaker 1>was too early before deciding to back in the President

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<v Speaker 1>of the United States of America and saying, yes, there

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<v Speaker 1>had been significant damage to Aram's nuclear sites, but the

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<v Speaker 1>only way to really know is you have to get

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<v Speaker 1>in underground. Because around nuclear facilities were underground, they were

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<v Speaker 1>enrichment sites. And the concern from Israel is that Iran

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<v Speaker 1>actually had secret facilities and they had been moving uranium

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<v Speaker 1>around the country. The indication from this assessment is that yes,

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<v Speaker 1>much of the four hundred and eight kilograms or so

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<v Speaker 1>off uranium that Iran had was moved before the strikes.

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<v Speaker 1>So the big question for the world now is where

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<v Speaker 1>is that uranium? Because there is clearly still a concern

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<v Speaker 1>among the US defense system a network that Iran poses

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<v Speaker 1>a threat to America and Americans and they him continue

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<v Speaker 1>to do that if they have access to that uranium.

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<v Speaker 1>So the big question ahead now is where is that uranium,

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<v Speaker 1>How are they going to find it, how are they

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<v Speaker 1>going to access it? And if they can access it, well,

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<v Speaker 1>then what comes next. But right now Donald Trump is

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<v Speaker 1>trying to talk Iran back from building up its nuclear

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<v Speaker 1>program again, and he finds himself in a very delicate position.

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<v Speaker 1>Having claimed that he has essentially ended this war, this

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<v Speaker 1>twelve day war, he now needs to try and find

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of nuclear deal, some sort of way Iran

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<v Speaker 1>to stop its enrichment program altogether.

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<v Speaker 2>Australia Vernita on the Line nine radio's US correspondent Jonathan

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<v Speaker 2>Kurzley live from the US as a journo, and you're

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<v Speaker 2>obviously he follow politicians around and do lots of this.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm impressed or I notice he's you know, he's not

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<v Speaker 2>a young man, but he's moving quickly. He's on Air

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<v Speaker 2>Force one, he's at NATO and he's there and you

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<v Speaker 2>know they often say successful people in business in the

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<v Speaker 2>private sector are fast movers. You know, they quicker than

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<v Speaker 2>the competition and they make decisions quick. So he's bringing

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<v Speaker 2>this mindset to the role of politics Is that just

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<v Speaker 2>me thinking that, But is he enthusiastic? He's moving is fast,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, for an older guy. He's got a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of speed on him.

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<v Speaker 1>He's moving. He's seventy nine, so you've got to remember.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think people are looking at Joe Biden, who

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<v Speaker 1>was eighty one essentially when he laughed as being somebody

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<v Speaker 1>who was incredibly slow moving, shuffling, wearing trainers runners, because

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<v Speaker 1>people are concerned about his walk and the possibility of

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<v Speaker 1>him slipping or falling. Donald Trump is certainly slower than

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<v Speaker 1>he was in twenty sixteen, there is no two ways

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<v Speaker 1>about it. But of course he is eight years older,

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<v Speaker 1>so you can expect that with that time passing, that

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<v Speaker 1>age is going to creep up on him, and it has.

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<v Speaker 1>He's certainly different to what he was in the first term,

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<v Speaker 1>but he is carrying around plenty of gusto and his

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<v Speaker 1>age are certainly keen to impress that he is showing

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<v Speaker 1>energy on the world stage, that he is talking more

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<v Speaker 1>than the last president did publicly, he's doing more things

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<v Speaker 1>in front of the camera. But this is exactly the

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<v Speaker 1>presidential style that Donald Trump likes. I mean, he's got

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<v Speaker 1>a clean bill of health from his own doctors. He

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<v Speaker 1>says he's feeling in good spirits. But this is the

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<v Speaker 1>way he does the presidency. It is entertainment in his show.

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<v Speaker 1>It is front of camera. It is a reality TV

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<v Speaker 1>show if you like. He's got three and a half

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<v Speaker 1>years left. He will be eighty two or so by

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<v Speaker 1>the time his time is up. So you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>key concern for him over the next three years, well,

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<v Speaker 1>how does he keep himself? How did he maintain a

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<v Speaker 1>healthy lifestyle balance? How does he have a healthy lifestyle

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<v Speaker 1>balance under the pressures of the most high powered job

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<v Speaker 1>in the world and at the same time being a

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<v Speaker 1>rather large man himself. So he's obviously got himself to

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<v Speaker 1>look after on that front. He's a good medical team

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<v Speaker 1>around him. But you've also got to remember too, but

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<v Speaker 1>he came into this with the overwhelming support of Americans.

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<v Speaker 1>Americans who would know that he was going to be

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<v Speaker 1>eighty two by the time he pulls up stumps for

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<v Speaker 1>the presidency, So they wouldn't have known that he was

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<v Speaker 1>going to be old in office and years old.

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<v Speaker 2>You're right, I guess that that mandate from the American

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<v Speaker 2>people would give you that enthusiasm to really get in

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<v Speaker 2>there and do the job. John, it's always a pleasure.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm feeling it for Tony Mack. I I love having

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<v Speaker 2>on the program when I do the weekends and of

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<v Speaker 2>course across the week. Thanks for a great report on

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<v Speaker 2>the radio. We'll see you also on the Today Show.

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<v Speaker 2>So you keep doing your great work and we'll talk

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<v Speaker 2>to you next time in Australia overnight.

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<v Speaker 1>Pat, always wonderful to talk to you and the listeners

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<v Speaker 1>where you may be. A wonderful morning. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Jonathan Kurzley, the nine Radio NTV US correspondent live in

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<v Speaker 2>Los Angeles, California. Your calls one double three six nine three,

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<v Speaker 2>your thoughts and feelings on that and whatever's on your mind.

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<v Speaker 2>Adam will chat to us next one double three, six

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<v Speaker 2>nine three.