1 00:00:08,070 --> 00:00:11,280 S1: Hey, I'm Osman Farooqui and this is the drop a 2 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:13,800 S1: culture show from the Sydney Morning Herald and The Age, 3 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:15,960 S1: where we dive into the latest in the world of 4 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:19,110 S1: pop culture and entertainment. I'm here with Mel Kambouris and 5 00:00:19,110 --> 00:00:20,940 S1: Thomas Mitchell. What's up team. 6 00:00:20,940 --> 00:00:23,669 S2: Good Osman, maybe you can solve a debate for us 7 00:00:23,670 --> 00:00:27,810 S2: this morning. We've just been to get coffee and the 8 00:00:27,810 --> 00:00:30,450 S2: server has asked for the name to go with the 9 00:00:30,450 --> 00:00:35,130 S2: coffee order, and I've said it's Mel. Mel and Thomas 10 00:00:35,130 --> 00:00:37,470 S2: here has said that the spelling out of the name 11 00:00:37,470 --> 00:00:38,879 S2: was unnecessary. 12 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,010 S3: I think when your name is Mel, it's unnecessary. 13 00:00:41,010 --> 00:00:43,350 S2: I think that it's better to be clear to avoid 14 00:00:43,350 --> 00:00:45,479 S2: the the follow up question. 15 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:48,030 S1: I'm the wrong person to ask because I have a 16 00:00:48,030 --> 00:00:52,500 S1: name that is often miswritten and mispronounced by baristas. So 17 00:00:52,500 --> 00:00:54,840 S1: I use a coffee name and I do spell it out. 18 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,029 S1: So I'm definitely on Mel's side. It's, you know, if 19 00:00:57,030 --> 00:00:59,430 S1: she didn't spell it out, perhaps the barista might have 20 00:00:59,430 --> 00:01:01,800 S1: written it down as Mel. And then you've got a 21 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:04,620 S1: mel Malcolm situation. So how many. 22 00:01:04,620 --> 00:01:06,330 S3: Mal's are out there? Really? 23 00:01:06,569 --> 00:01:08,550 S1: How many Aussies are out there? Not that many. But 24 00:01:08,550 --> 00:01:10,020 S1: you still get. You still get. 25 00:01:10,020 --> 00:01:11,520 S2: What's your coffee name cropping up? 26 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,340 S1: Mine is just Oz o Zed, but it occasionally leads 27 00:01:14,340 --> 00:01:18,479 S1: to funny situations like a Vietnamese coffee shop I went 28 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:21,300 S1: to once the guy took my order o Zed. He 29 00:01:21,300 --> 00:01:24,240 S1: was fine with that. The person reading it out was 30 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:26,130 S1: not the same person who took the name down, so 31 00:01:26,130 --> 00:01:30,240 S1: she looked at it and read out zero z, zero z. Um, 32 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:31,830 S1: and it took me a minute to realize she thought 33 00:01:31,830 --> 00:01:32,250 S1: you were like. 34 00:01:32,250 --> 00:01:33,690 S3: Elon Musk child or something. 35 00:01:33,690 --> 00:01:37,800 S1: Exactly, exactly. Because good. Other than your coffee mishaps. 36 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,110 S3: Yeah. All good, all good. How are you going? It's 37 00:01:40,110 --> 00:01:41,310 S3: been a big week for you. 38 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:44,010 S1: Yes, I'm on leave. I've sort of come back in specially. 39 00:01:44,010 --> 00:01:47,850 S1: Parachuted myself back into the podcast to, uh, keep you 40 00:01:47,850 --> 00:01:50,730 S1: guys on track. Clearly didn't trust what you would do 41 00:01:50,730 --> 00:01:54,930 S1: without me either. Um, but I got a question for you, Mel. 42 00:01:54,930 --> 00:02:00,780 S1: Last week when we talked about Furiosa, the new mad 43 00:02:00,780 --> 00:02:03,420 S1: Max movie. You hadn't seen it yet. It's fine. You know, 44 00:02:03,420 --> 00:02:06,960 S1: life comes up. That's okay. You have a very busy schedule. 45 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,329 S1: You're a busy person. It was a Sydney Writers Festival 46 00:02:09,330 --> 00:02:11,820 S1: that wrapped up on the weekend. It's now been a 47 00:02:11,820 --> 00:02:13,950 S1: week since the movie's out. So how did you how 48 00:02:13,950 --> 00:02:14,760 S1: did you find it? 49 00:02:15,330 --> 00:02:19,680 S2: I'm sorry to confess that I haven't actually seen it yet, 50 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:21,480 S2: but what is this call out culture? 51 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,839 S1: Well, I mean, I think it's important to to just 52 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:28,110 S1: sit on this one for a second, because you might 53 00:02:28,110 --> 00:02:30,720 S1: not be aware, but you are contributing to the slow 54 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:34,410 S1: and gradual death of the medium of cinema. Add it to. 55 00:02:34,410 --> 00:02:37,139 S2: The list of the things I'm doing wrong. 56 00:02:39,150 --> 00:02:42,120 S1: Well, well. Last week we talked about how it was 57 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:47,489 S1: one of the few blockbusters on the film schedule of 2024, 58 00:02:47,490 --> 00:02:51,810 S1: but despite being the most expensive Australian film ever made 59 00:02:51,810 --> 00:02:55,350 S1: and not really having much competition at the box office, 60 00:02:55,350 --> 00:02:59,430 S1: it's failed to get big numbers in its opening weekend 61 00:02:59,430 --> 00:03:02,519 S1: in America, which fell on Memorial Day, which is historically 62 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,579 S1: a pretty big day for the US box office. Furious 63 00:03:05,580 --> 00:03:10,019 S1: had just managed to outdo Garfield for the top spot. 64 00:03:10,020 --> 00:03:13,350 S1: It took in 48 million AUD over those four days, 65 00:03:13,350 --> 00:03:18,029 S1: compared to Garfield's $46 million not a great result. In 66 00:03:18,030 --> 00:03:22,139 S1: total terms, it's the lowest Memorial Day opening in 30 67 00:03:22,139 --> 00:03:27,150 S1: years since 1995, and you wouldn't be stoked if you're 68 00:03:27,150 --> 00:03:30,540 S1: George Miller, that after spending ten years making this movie, 69 00:03:30,540 --> 00:03:34,680 S1: you just beat the cartoon cat. Voiced by Chris Pratt, 70 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,080 S1: who voices every cartoon creature. It seems by a couple 71 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,420 S1: of million dollars. It's not a great result, is it? 72 00:03:39,420 --> 00:03:42,360 S3: No, it's a bit grim. Uh, I love Garfield, by 73 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:45,210 S3: the way. Like, I've always been a fan of the Garfield, 74 00:03:45,210 --> 00:03:46,890 S3: so I can see, you know, Garfield's got a big 75 00:03:46,890 --> 00:03:49,410 S3: built in audience out there, and George Miller didn't see 76 00:03:49,410 --> 00:03:50,040 S3: that coming. 77 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,470 S2: I can feel that you would appreciate Garfield's whole vibe. 78 00:03:52,470 --> 00:03:54,900 S3: Yeah, man, he fucking eats lasagna every day. That's like the. 79 00:03:54,900 --> 00:03:56,070 S2: Dream. Hungry cat. 80 00:03:57,090 --> 00:03:59,460 S3: Uh, yeah. So it is. It is a bit grim. And, 81 00:03:59,460 --> 00:04:01,170 S3: you know, we kind of flagged last week that there 82 00:04:01,170 --> 00:04:03,300 S3: wasn't a bunch of, you know, big block. There's lots 83 00:04:03,300 --> 00:04:05,190 S3: of good stuff to come this year, but not a 84 00:04:05,190 --> 00:04:09,480 S3: bunch of blockbusters that level. And I definitely was surprised 85 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:10,980 S3: to see I thought it was going to do, you know, 86 00:04:10,980 --> 00:04:13,710 S3: kind of like June numbers. But yeah, here we are. 87 00:04:13,710 --> 00:04:15,540 S3: And I think there's lots of people kind of like 88 00:04:15,540 --> 00:04:17,429 S3: navel gazing now to be like, oh, what does this 89 00:04:17,430 --> 00:04:19,470 S3: mean about the future of cinema? Not just as we 90 00:04:19,470 --> 00:04:21,510 S3: are right now, but yeah, I'm sure it'll bounce back, 91 00:04:21,510 --> 00:04:25,350 S3: but definitely an interesting kind of an interesting situation for 92 00:04:25,350 --> 00:04:27,630 S3: the Furiosa fans to find themselves in. Except for Mel, 93 00:04:27,660 --> 00:04:28,800 S3: who refuses to see the movie. 94 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:33,120 S2: I feel like maybe we've all got a ahead of 95 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:36,660 S2: ourselves with Barbie and Oppenheimer. We were all so excited 96 00:04:36,660 --> 00:04:40,560 S2: about the return and the saving of cinema, and then unfortunately, 97 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,320 S2: it's not really played out as we would have hoped 98 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:43,800 S2: back then. 99 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:45,960 S3: This is worse than when I refuse to see anyone 100 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:46,350 S3: but you. 101 00:04:46,350 --> 00:04:49,710 S2: It's been a week. I'm going to see it. 102 00:04:49,710 --> 00:04:53,370 S1: There are so many different factors behind the performance of 103 00:04:53,370 --> 00:04:54,690 S1: the box office at the moment. I mean, one of 104 00:04:54,690 --> 00:04:57,299 S1: them is just we are living in the shadow of 105 00:04:57,300 --> 00:05:00,060 S1: the strikes last year that that took out production for 106 00:05:00,060 --> 00:05:02,640 S1: such a long period of time. So we don't have 107 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:06,510 S1: a very busy schedule. You've probably noticed that TV and 108 00:05:06,510 --> 00:05:09,330 S1: film is pretty. Quiet. I'm sure like me, you guys 109 00:05:09,330 --> 00:05:12,090 S1: have friends in your life that message you when it's 110 00:05:12,089 --> 00:05:13,859 S1: the weekend and they're like, hey, what should I see? 111 00:05:13,860 --> 00:05:16,920 S1: The the movies, what's on streaming right now? I've kind 112 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,500 S1: of struggled in the last couple of weeks to recommend 113 00:05:19,500 --> 00:05:22,890 S1: much film. Yeah, we've mentioned that Ferris is the big 114 00:05:22,890 --> 00:05:26,039 S1: one for a while. TV wise, House of the Dragon 115 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,049 S1: season two comes out in the middle of June, and 116 00:05:28,050 --> 00:05:29,970 S1: then The bear comes out at the end of that 117 00:05:29,970 --> 00:05:32,400 S1: month for its third season. So very excited about that. 118 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,700 S1: But until then, there's not heaps, and that presents a 119 00:05:35,700 --> 00:05:37,980 S1: bit of a predicament for people like us whose job 120 00:05:37,980 --> 00:05:41,099 S1: it is, is to talk about TV and film that 121 00:05:41,100 --> 00:05:43,919 S1: is coming out. Uh, the good news is we have 122 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:48,720 S1: a solution. Today on the podcast, we're going back to 123 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:53,940 S1: the past 25 years, back in time to 1999. Cue 124 00:05:53,970 --> 00:05:55,080 S1: the Prince song. 125 00:05:56,040 --> 00:06:01,410 UU: So tonight on the party like it's 1999. 126 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,190 S1: One of the greatest years in movie history. We're going 127 00:06:08,190 --> 00:06:12,000 S1: to build our Hall of Fame for cinema in 1999. 128 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,099 S1: Each of us is going to pick our favorite films 129 00:06:14,100 --> 00:06:15,599 S1: of that year. We're going to talk about why we 130 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,780 S1: love them, discuss our favorite scenes, what held up the best, 131 00:06:18,779 --> 00:06:22,050 S1: what maybe didn't hold up, and whether these movies stand 132 00:06:22,050 --> 00:06:24,150 S1: the test of time. It's going to be a lot 133 00:06:24,150 --> 00:06:26,669 S1: of fun. And let me just say, there are an 134 00:06:26,670 --> 00:06:31,080 S1: incredible amount of like, not just like good, but like 135 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:35,130 S1: five star movies from this year. Our group chat for 136 00:06:35,130 --> 00:06:37,380 S1: the past few days has just been what this came 137 00:06:37,380 --> 00:06:40,950 S1: out in 1999 and that what? That's crazy. Very excited 138 00:06:40,950 --> 00:06:41,700 S1: about this one. 139 00:06:41,700 --> 00:06:44,250 S3: Yes, I am very excited to talk about a bunch 140 00:06:44,250 --> 00:06:47,130 S3: of films that Leonardo DiCaprio would no longer date because 141 00:06:47,130 --> 00:06:50,550 S3: they are 25 years old. But it is true. Like 142 00:06:50,550 --> 00:06:52,979 S3: the more we kind of got into it and we're 143 00:06:52,980 --> 00:06:55,169 S3: going through the process of selecting our movies, it became 144 00:06:55,170 --> 00:06:56,760 S3: that thing of like, oh my God, how do you 145 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:58,920 S3: just choose three? And I'm sure if you went and 146 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,230 S3: looked back at like 98 or 2000, they'd also be 147 00:07:01,230 --> 00:07:03,420 S3: like so many great films. But it does feel that 148 00:07:03,420 --> 00:07:06,690 S3: 99 specifically, probably something to do with Y2K, I imagine 149 00:07:06,690 --> 00:07:10,800 S3: is like stacked with great films across every single genre too. 150 00:07:10,830 --> 00:07:12,780 S3: So yeah, it was a special time in film and 151 00:07:12,780 --> 00:07:14,700 S3: I'm keen a special time in film. Not a special 152 00:07:14,700 --> 00:07:16,680 S3: time for me personally, because that was an awkward age 153 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:18,660 S3: for me, but I am keen to revisit them. 154 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,810 S2: I'm also keen to revisit a time before I single 155 00:07:21,810 --> 00:07:23,130 S2: handedly ruined cinema. 156 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,310 S1: Yeah, they're going to talk about you in history, in 157 00:07:26,310 --> 00:07:29,160 S1: the history books, Mel. Um, no, I'm really excited about it. 158 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:31,290 S1: It's it's a new format for us, a bit of 159 00:07:31,290 --> 00:07:33,930 S1: a risk. Hopefully it pays off. I'm really looking forward 160 00:07:33,930 --> 00:07:35,910 S1: to it. But before we get there, a couple of 161 00:07:35,910 --> 00:07:39,990 S1: bits of news to talk about. Thomas, our guy, Robert 162 00:07:39,990 --> 00:07:45,150 S1: De Niro, managed to involve himself in the Donald Trump trial. 163 00:07:45,150 --> 00:07:47,070 S1: Can you tell us what the hell's going on here? 164 00:07:47,070 --> 00:07:49,890 S3: Yeah, I was very excited when my De Niro Google 165 00:07:49,890 --> 00:07:52,500 S3: alert went off this morning. Um, it's been. 166 00:07:52,620 --> 00:07:53,520 S1: And it wasn't another. 167 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:55,620 S3: Trial. It's been pretty quiet. Yeah, I know he's obviously 168 00:07:55,620 --> 00:07:59,190 S3: been in the depths of new fatherhood. Uh, at however old. 169 00:07:59,190 --> 00:08:02,850 S3: He's 79. Um, so he's really in it just at 170 00:08:02,850 --> 00:08:06,210 S3: that and obviously, um, whatever else he has gout, I presume. 171 00:08:06,210 --> 00:08:10,050 S3: But but yeah, he rocked up at the Trump trial. 172 00:08:10,380 --> 00:08:14,190 S4: I owe the city a lot. And that's why it's 173 00:08:14,190 --> 00:08:17,580 S4: so weird that Donald Trump is just across the street, 174 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:20,850 S4: because he doesn't belong in my city. 175 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,970 S3: And basically gave this really impassioned speech. And he did. 176 00:08:23,970 --> 00:08:26,790 S3: He was like, you know, lots of writers are saying this. 177 00:08:26,790 --> 00:08:28,890 S3: He went full Goodfellas. Like, this was De Niro at 178 00:08:28,890 --> 00:08:31,950 S3: his most gangster. He called Trump a tyrant. 179 00:08:31,980 --> 00:08:35,850 S4: Just another grubby real estate hustler masquerading as a big shot, 180 00:08:36,570 --> 00:08:39,870 S4: a two bit Playboy lying his way into the tabloids. 181 00:08:39,870 --> 00:08:42,810 S3: And that is just like, man, the guys just left 182 00:08:42,809 --> 00:08:46,559 S3: Trump for dead there. Uh, and basically, yeah, he he's 183 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:48,780 S3: kind of stolen the limelight out of this insane trial 184 00:08:48,780 --> 00:08:51,060 S3: that's happening. Um, but it's very exciting to see De 185 00:08:51,059 --> 00:08:52,590 S3: Niro fired up again because he's been in a bit 186 00:08:52,590 --> 00:08:54,870 S3: of a run of just like I'm here playing a 187 00:08:54,870 --> 00:08:57,329 S3: filthy grandpa again. But now this was the De Niro 188 00:08:57,330 --> 00:08:59,280 S3: we know and love. He was impassioned. He was a 189 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:01,589 S3: little bit scary. He was full Italian. I'm fucking here 190 00:09:01,590 --> 00:09:01,860 S3: for it. 191 00:09:01,860 --> 00:09:03,780 S2: Oh, and it was so good. Once he had given 192 00:09:03,780 --> 00:09:05,940 S2: stopped his actual speech and he was walking back in, 193 00:09:05,940 --> 00:09:07,890 S2: the crowd was heckling him and they were like, your 194 00:09:07,890 --> 00:09:11,280 S2: movies suck. And he says this line, he's like, we're 195 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:14,130 S2: trying to be gentlemen. You are gangsters. And it's just 196 00:09:14,130 --> 00:09:16,830 S2: so good hearing him to call them gangsters. 197 00:09:16,830 --> 00:09:19,470 S1: Also, who are these Trump fans saying De Niro's movie suck? 198 00:09:19,470 --> 00:09:21,660 S1: Like they just objectively do not suck? 199 00:09:22,110 --> 00:09:24,510 S2: It's amazing. I've watched it so many times. 200 00:09:24,510 --> 00:09:27,780 S3: He's obviously concerned about, um, you know, the future for 201 00:09:27,780 --> 00:09:29,670 S3: his young child and what kind of world they'll be 202 00:09:29,670 --> 00:09:32,520 S3: living in. Uh, so yeah, De Niro is back, baby. 203 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,069 S1: I went back and rewatched killers of the Flower Moon 204 00:09:35,070 --> 00:09:37,050 S1: a couple of weeks ago, and we we all really 205 00:09:37,050 --> 00:09:39,420 S1: enjoyed that movie and thought it was brilliant. I remember 206 00:09:39,420 --> 00:09:41,610 S1: at the time, Thomas, you and I were a bit 207 00:09:41,610 --> 00:09:43,920 S1: down on De Niro's performance. I think we said that 208 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:46,140 S1: it was maybe one of the weaker ones in the film. 209 00:09:46,140 --> 00:09:49,140 S1: I mean, I think that's not totally unfair because the 210 00:09:49,140 --> 00:09:54,930 S1: other performances are just so overpoweringly and overwhelmingly brilliant. But 211 00:09:54,929 --> 00:09:57,870 S1: I think that was a little bit too harsh on him. 212 00:09:57,870 --> 00:10:01,590 S1: I think he actually is doing something very, very, very 213 00:10:01,590 --> 00:10:03,929 S1: special in that movie. And when you're saying, you know, 214 00:10:03,929 --> 00:10:06,570 S1: he's channeling some of that Goodfellas energy, I think he 215 00:10:06,570 --> 00:10:08,130 S1: was doing a little bit of that. In Kills of 216 00:10:08,130 --> 00:10:11,340 S1: Flowmon two, and I wonder whether, being in that movie, 217 00:10:11,340 --> 00:10:14,520 S1: the discourse around it where America has gone a hundred 218 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,910 S1: years since the events depicted in that film, sort of 219 00:10:17,910 --> 00:10:21,600 S1: reawoken the fire in his belly in terms of wanting 220 00:10:21,630 --> 00:10:24,270 S1: to intervene and send out a signal that America is 221 00:10:24,270 --> 00:10:25,770 S1: potentially headed down a dark path. 222 00:10:25,770 --> 00:10:28,170 S3: Yeah, I went back and rewatched Bad Grandpa and felt 223 00:10:28,170 --> 00:10:30,840 S3: the same thing. Um, and now I mean, look. And 224 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,690 S3: now he's taking on a very famous bad grandpa and 225 00:10:33,690 --> 00:10:37,050 S3: Donald Trump, so everything comes full circle. Uh, look, I 226 00:10:37,050 --> 00:10:39,090 S3: obviously never walk back. My takes. They're always right at 227 00:10:39,090 --> 00:10:41,699 S3: the time, and I stand by them forever. But, I mean, 228 00:10:41,700 --> 00:10:42,780 S3: you are one of the few people I know that 229 00:10:42,780 --> 00:10:44,640 S3: would actually go and rewatch killers of the Flower Moon, 230 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,250 S3: great as it is, but it's like, that's that's why 231 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:49,380 S3: Osborne's actually taken leave this week. Yeah. 232 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:52,290 S1: I've just been rewatching that and Eyes Wide Shut, surely. 233 00:10:52,290 --> 00:10:52,890 S2: Oppenheimer. 234 00:10:53,100 --> 00:10:57,690 S1: Um, the the other thing that we wanted to talk about, 235 00:10:57,690 --> 00:11:00,300 S1: there was a story in The Hollywood Reporter this week 236 00:11:00,300 --> 00:11:03,210 S1: that got all three of us pretty excited. It's called 237 00:11:03,210 --> 00:11:06,720 S1: Meet the New A-list. The ten young movie stars taking 238 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:09,990 S1: Hollywood by Storm now, as well as being a list 239 00:11:09,990 --> 00:11:13,590 S1: of who The Hollywood Reporter believes are the biggest movie 240 00:11:13,590 --> 00:11:16,230 S1: stars of their generation, the story had some pretty interesting 241 00:11:16,230 --> 00:11:19,410 S1: insight into how modern movie stars are being made and 242 00:11:19,410 --> 00:11:24,120 S1: how they're managing their careers. According to the piece, young 243 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:28,710 S1: stars are less formulaic than their predecessors, including just those 244 00:11:28,710 --> 00:11:32,160 S1: from the past decade who generally used indie debuts and 245 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,260 S1: a lot of awards buzz to, I guess, sort of 246 00:11:34,260 --> 00:11:38,699 S1: leverage that into big picture IP and Oscar worthy films. 247 00:11:38,700 --> 00:11:43,740 S1: These movie stars of this generation are more agnostic. They're 248 00:11:43,740 --> 00:11:47,490 S1: moving between studio to studio, they're less keen on big 249 00:11:47,490 --> 00:11:51,090 S1: picture IP. Uh, they're moving between film and television a 250 00:11:51,090 --> 00:11:53,400 S1: bit more regularly as well. And it was a really 251 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:55,890 S1: interesting quote from Glenn Powell, who is on the list. 252 00:11:55,890 --> 00:11:58,800 S1: And the cover of, uh, is the cover star of 253 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,050 S1: this issue of The Hollywood Reporter. He says, are we 254 00:12:01,050 --> 00:12:02,640 S1: like this generation of movie star is going to find 255 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,790 S1: ourselves going after the same roles? Absolutely. But are we 256 00:12:05,790 --> 00:12:08,969 S1: ever in competition? No. We do different things. So a 257 00:12:08,970 --> 00:12:13,020 S1: bit less cutthroat, a bit more friendly vibes from this crew, 258 00:12:13,020 --> 00:12:15,990 S1: I guess that reflects the kind of current social era 259 00:12:15,990 --> 00:12:19,500 S1: that we are in. Anyway, I might just run through 260 00:12:19,500 --> 00:12:22,469 S1: the list and get your guys initial takes on who 261 00:12:22,500 --> 00:12:25,890 S1: The Hollywood Reporter has dubbed the ten greatest movie stars 262 00:12:25,890 --> 00:12:30,510 S1: of their generation. It's Austin Butler, Timothee Chalamet, Jacob Elordi, 263 00:12:30,510 --> 00:12:34,860 S1: Paul Mescal, Jenna Ortega, Glen Powell was mentioned, Florence Pugh, 264 00:12:34,890 --> 00:12:41,709 S1: Sydney Sweeney, Anya Taylor-Joy and Zendaya. First reactions to those 265 00:12:41,710 --> 00:12:45,610 S1: being the ten biggest movie stars of their generation. Give 266 00:12:45,610 --> 00:12:46,030 S1: it to me. 267 00:12:46,059 --> 00:12:50,500 S3: Well, the writers obviously watch euphoria because there are three 268 00:12:50,500 --> 00:12:53,140 S3: euphoria stars. No, I mean, it's I guess it's the 269 00:12:53,140 --> 00:12:57,969 S3: obvious list. Um, I don't know. I think the whole 270 00:12:57,970 --> 00:13:01,570 S3: concept is really interesting, but I feel like the list 271 00:13:01,570 --> 00:13:03,550 S3: is almost a bit too predictable. 272 00:13:04,330 --> 00:13:07,990 S2: Yeah. My first feeling looking at this list is how 273 00:13:07,990 --> 00:13:12,190 S2: little actual acting a lot of these people are doing. Like, 274 00:13:12,190 --> 00:13:14,439 S2: I reckon we should look at some of the films 275 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:16,300 S2: they've been in and what they got paid for it, 276 00:13:16,300 --> 00:13:18,940 S2: and figure out how much each word a cake like 277 00:13:18,940 --> 00:13:21,760 S2: equates for financially. Because a lot of these actors and 278 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:23,830 S2: it's not I'm not saying that they're not also doing 279 00:13:23,830 --> 00:13:27,550 S2: kind of more substantial roles, but they're gravitating towards sweeping 280 00:13:27,550 --> 00:13:31,150 S2: epics like we were talking about and Anya Taylor-Joy. Unfortunately, 281 00:13:31,150 --> 00:13:34,510 S2: I haven't yet seen Furiosa yet about how few words 282 00:13:34,510 --> 00:13:37,959 S2: she has in that film. Um, and Zendaya is doing big, 283 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:41,980 S2: sweeping epics. Timothee Chalamet is doing musicals and also films 284 00:13:41,980 --> 00:13:45,280 S2: like Dune, Florence Pugh like they are gravitating towards these 285 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:47,800 S2: sweeping sci fi where they don't actually have to do 286 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:51,250 S2: any character acting, and they're getting paid big bucks. Yeah, and. 287 00:13:51,250 --> 00:13:53,590 S1: It's also odd that The Hollywood Reporter said, you know, 288 00:13:53,590 --> 00:13:57,250 S1: unlike previous generations, they haven't turned their indie debuts into 289 00:13:57,250 --> 00:14:00,790 S1: big IP backed films. They almost all have, if not 290 00:14:00,790 --> 00:14:03,970 S1: literally all of them are either already in or soon 291 00:14:03,970 --> 00:14:08,080 S1: to be in big blockbuster franchise kinds of movies. But 292 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,950 S1: I guess to me, what the obvious question that it 293 00:14:11,950 --> 00:14:14,380 S1: raised was like, what does it mean to be a 294 00:14:14,380 --> 00:14:17,410 S1: movie star? Right? Is it to your point, Mel, clearly 295 00:14:17,410 --> 00:14:20,470 S1: not just about acting skills and charisma and the ability 296 00:14:20,470 --> 00:14:24,250 S1: to deliver a award winning performance? It seems like it's 297 00:14:24,250 --> 00:14:28,150 S1: also about being a big enough name that regardless of 298 00:14:28,150 --> 00:14:31,600 S1: the film, regardless of anything anyone might know about a 299 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:33,160 S1: movie coming out, you want to go see them because 300 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:34,690 S1: you want to see the new Zendaya movie. You want 301 00:14:34,690 --> 00:14:36,460 S1: to see the new Glen Powell movie, you want to 302 00:14:36,460 --> 00:14:38,380 S1: see the new Anya Taylor Joy movie. And I think 303 00:14:38,380 --> 00:14:41,170 S1: for some of these people, that is like, clearly true. 304 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,810 S1: Zendaya is a really interesting one. You know, my trainer 305 00:14:43,810 --> 00:14:45,640 S1: at the gym the other day, we're talking about movies, 306 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,100 S1: and he's like, I saw challengers. I didn't really like it, 307 00:14:48,100 --> 00:14:50,770 S1: but I will see anything Zendaya is in. And it 308 00:14:50,770 --> 00:14:54,640 S1: feels like since euphoria, since the Spider-Man stuff, she's a 309 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:56,590 S1: name that people just go and see, even if the 310 00:14:56,590 --> 00:15:00,640 S1: film seems not quite their speed. I'm not sure that's 311 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:04,420 S1: the case for Florence Pugh or Paul Mescal, and I'm 312 00:15:04,420 --> 00:15:06,910 S1: not just saying that because of my long running beef 313 00:15:06,910 --> 00:15:07,750 S1: with you. 314 00:15:07,750 --> 00:15:10,510 S3: Exclusively won't see anything that Paul Mescal is in. 315 00:15:10,510 --> 00:15:13,630 S1: No, I mean, like Paul Mescal is a good actor 316 00:15:13,630 --> 00:15:16,840 S1: and Aftersun was a great film, but that didn't blow 317 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:19,210 S1: up the box office because people were desperate to see 318 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,460 S1: Paul Mescal. And I think when he's in Gladiator two 319 00:15:21,490 --> 00:15:23,290 S1: later this year or next year, people will go see 320 00:15:23,290 --> 00:15:26,110 S1: that movie because it's Gladiator two, not because it's a 321 00:15:26,110 --> 00:15:27,340 S1: Paul Mescal film. 322 00:15:27,340 --> 00:15:29,560 S3: I think the only two ones on that maybe, like 323 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:31,810 S3: for me it would be probably Timothy. Sydney Sweeney and 324 00:15:31,810 --> 00:15:34,540 S3: Zendaya are the three who really have that power. I 325 00:15:34,540 --> 00:15:36,700 S3: would say like, no one's rushing off to see a 326 00:15:36,700 --> 00:15:37,900 S3: Glen Powell movie, so I don't. 327 00:15:37,900 --> 00:15:39,640 S1: I don't agree with that. I feel like Glen Powell 328 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:44,920 S1: has the most evidence behind him, like Top Gun Maverick 329 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:48,820 S1: and then anyone but two movies. Two. Yeah. Okay. But 330 00:15:48,820 --> 00:15:50,470 S1: what does Timothy have? 331 00:15:50,500 --> 00:15:52,450 S3: He's done a bunch of more movies, I would say. 332 00:15:52,450 --> 00:15:52,780 S3: And I think. 333 00:15:52,780 --> 00:15:54,670 S2: Timothy has the kind of I don't really know much 334 00:15:54,670 --> 00:15:57,580 S2: about Glen Powell off screen. Um, like, I kind of 335 00:15:57,580 --> 00:15:59,980 S2: don't know what his personality is, whereas I think Timothy 336 00:15:59,980 --> 00:16:02,770 S2: has Paul, like, he's got this personality. He's got a 337 00:16:02,770 --> 00:16:05,200 S2: shtick around him that people are drawn to him as 338 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:07,930 S2: a figure. Whereas I think Glen Powell is still kind 339 00:16:07,930 --> 00:16:10,060 S2: of an actor. I don't know if he's quite transcended that, 340 00:16:10,060 --> 00:16:12,100 S2: and I would probably say the same for Jenna Ortega 341 00:16:12,100 --> 00:16:13,450 S2: as well, who I thought was a bit of an 342 00:16:13,450 --> 00:16:14,710 S2: unusual addition to the list. 343 00:16:14,710 --> 00:16:17,470 S1: Yeah. Jenna Ortega is someone who is very, very popular 344 00:16:17,470 --> 00:16:20,980 S1: amongst Gen Zs, and she's huge on Netflix on Wednesday. 345 00:16:20,980 --> 00:16:24,310 S1: I don't think she's she's managed to translate that to like, 346 00:16:24,310 --> 00:16:26,680 S1: movie box office success. But do you guys think that 347 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,860 S1: Timothy is the reason people are going to see movies 348 00:16:29,860 --> 00:16:32,410 S1: that star Timothy? Like, do you think they got to 349 00:16:32,410 --> 00:16:35,230 S1: see Wonka because they love Timothee Chalamet? Or they saw 350 00:16:35,230 --> 00:16:37,510 S1: Dune because they love Timothee Chalamet? 351 00:16:37,540 --> 00:16:39,550 S3: I definitely think with something like Wonka Dunes will be 352 00:16:39,550 --> 00:16:41,710 S3: different because it is such a bigger prospect and people 353 00:16:41,710 --> 00:16:43,030 S3: want to go and see that. But I think Wonka 354 00:16:43,060 --> 00:16:44,860 S3: like I mean that's probably why they cast him like 355 00:16:44,860 --> 00:16:46,210 S3: people went to see it, even though it wasn't meant 356 00:16:46,210 --> 00:16:48,700 S3: to be awful interesting. Yeah, yeah, you might be right, Paul. 357 00:16:48,700 --> 00:16:50,410 S3: And like the same thing with this Bob Dylan. Like, 358 00:16:50,470 --> 00:16:52,150 S3: how many photos from set have we seen of this 359 00:16:52,150 --> 00:16:55,090 S3: new Bob Dylan biopic? Because it's like Timothee Chalamet playing him. 360 00:16:55,090 --> 00:16:57,460 S3: I definitely think he's got more pull power. Aside from 361 00:16:57,460 --> 00:17:01,240 S3: the fact he's like criminally dating a Kardashian, he's also 362 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,120 S3: like he he those three that I mentioned, I reckon Zendaya, 363 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:06,609 S3: Sydney and Timothy have like harnessed the power of the 364 00:17:06,609 --> 00:17:09,460 S3: internet the best they've got. Like, you know, like they're 365 00:17:09,460 --> 00:17:11,350 S3: kind of like been memed and they've done SNL and 366 00:17:11,350 --> 00:17:12,970 S3: they've all done Hot Wing like, you know this. Yeah. 367 00:17:12,970 --> 00:17:16,000 S3: Like I reckon they have figured out the modern, like, 368 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,520 S3: path to stardom the best. And I think they're the 369 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:19,810 S3: real three standouts for me. 370 00:17:19,810 --> 00:17:21,760 S2: Yeah, they kind of have this whole paratext thing going 371 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:24,550 S2: on where they're creating a thing outside of the films 372 00:17:24,550 --> 00:17:27,490 S2: that then kind of translates and into interplays with what 373 00:17:27,490 --> 00:17:28,240 S2: they're doing on screen. 374 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:30,369 S1: It's so interesting. Again, just to sit on Timothy on 375 00:17:30,369 --> 00:17:32,889 S1: that one, because you're right, there is like this meta 376 00:17:32,890 --> 00:17:36,370 S1: narrative around Timothy, but he's like not an online person. Like, 377 00:17:36,369 --> 00:17:38,950 S1: it's not like people are reacting to what he's saying. 378 00:17:38,950 --> 00:17:41,800 S1: He's just sort of part of the conversation, I guess, 379 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:44,710 S1: partly because of, you know, his relationship with your long 380 00:17:44,710 --> 00:17:45,580 S1: lost love. 381 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:48,639 S3: Thomas. Whereas then I would say, I hate to obviously 382 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:51,940 S3: bring all conversations back to Sydney Sweeney. She is the opposite, 383 00:17:51,940 --> 00:17:54,100 S3: in which she is very much an online person. She's 384 00:17:54,100 --> 00:17:56,290 S3: like very active on social media and she engages with 385 00:17:56,290 --> 00:17:58,659 S3: a lot of like, I guess, the meme and narrative 386 00:17:58,660 --> 00:18:01,600 S3: around her and stuff. So they're both, I would say 387 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:05,160 S3: two of the most like prominent and. Powerful young actors 388 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,889 S3: in Hollywood, but they have very much taken a different approach. 389 00:18:07,890 --> 00:18:09,690 S2: Yeah, I feel like I've kind of lost track of 390 00:18:09,690 --> 00:18:11,910 S2: just how big Sydney Sweeney is, because I feel like 391 00:18:11,910 --> 00:18:14,939 S2: it's all we talk about on the podcast that maybe 392 00:18:14,940 --> 00:18:18,270 S2: I do sometimes wonder wonder how much she cut like, 393 00:18:18,270 --> 00:18:19,530 S2: cuts through elsewhere. 394 00:18:19,530 --> 00:18:21,300 S3: Oh no, she definitely does. I think there's been so 395 00:18:21,300 --> 00:18:23,369 S3: many like, articles. You know, we've talked about calling her 396 00:18:23,369 --> 00:18:27,030 S3: the new Julia Roberts. She's like producing. Directing, like she's 397 00:18:27,030 --> 00:18:29,070 S3: like starring in so many different genres of films. Like, 398 00:18:29,070 --> 00:18:31,590 S3: I think we actually, you know, Mel, you'll hate this. 399 00:18:31,740 --> 00:18:34,619 S3: Perhaps we're reaching Sydney Sweeney. Saturation. 400 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:36,840 S2: Yes, of course, we can only let a woman get 401 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:38,340 S2: so successful, but. 402 00:18:38,340 --> 00:18:40,380 S3: Yeah. Interesting. Listen, I guess we'll see where they all 403 00:18:40,380 --> 00:18:42,000 S3: are in the next few years. And also, you. 404 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:45,210 S2: Know what's interesting with Timothy and Sydney in particular, that 405 00:18:45,210 --> 00:18:49,109 S2: they're actually really being pulled into discussions about like femininity 406 00:18:49,109 --> 00:18:51,720 S2: and masculinity and in this kind of MeToo world, because 407 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:54,720 S2: everyone's talking about Timothy style of masculinity, everyone's talking about 408 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:58,050 S2: Sydney Sweeney's kind of, you know, reclamation of the bombshell 409 00:18:58,050 --> 00:19:02,010 S2: figure as feminist empowerment. Um, so, like, I wonder if 410 00:19:02,010 --> 00:19:04,500 S2: that's also why they're so relevant? Because they're playing into 411 00:19:04,500 --> 00:19:07,110 S2: these think pieces that are going on and broader conversations 412 00:19:07,109 --> 00:19:08,670 S2: that we're having in culture at the moment. 413 00:19:08,670 --> 00:19:11,550 S1: Yeah. I mean, hearing you guys talk about this, I'm 414 00:19:11,550 --> 00:19:14,220 S1: kind of shifting my view again. I think maybe someone 415 00:19:14,220 --> 00:19:16,949 S1: like Sydney Sweeney is someone who people will go to 416 00:19:16,950 --> 00:19:19,229 S1: see a movie because it's the new Sydney Sweeney movie, 417 00:19:19,230 --> 00:19:21,540 S1: the movie Immaculate, which she produced and starred in the 418 00:19:21,540 --> 00:19:24,450 S1: sort of non-horror movie that cost $9 million. It made 419 00:19:24,450 --> 00:19:26,879 S1: $25 million US at the global box office. That's a 420 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:29,400 S1: good result for what is like a kind of schlocky 421 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:31,709 S1: horror film, and I feel like almost all of that 422 00:19:31,710 --> 00:19:33,750 S1: is because people like Sydney Sweeney is in a new movie. 423 00:19:33,750 --> 00:19:35,970 S1: I feel like she can do that. I still am 424 00:19:35,970 --> 00:19:39,180 S1: not totally convinced about Timothy's box office pull. Maybe this 425 00:19:39,180 --> 00:19:41,129 S1: is like just a crazy take that I will. I 426 00:19:41,130 --> 00:19:43,139 S1: will finish this podcast and look at some numbers and 427 00:19:43,140 --> 00:19:44,699 S1: be like, I was so wrong. But he was in 428 00:19:44,700 --> 00:19:46,859 S1: the he was in the cannibal movie. And that might 429 00:19:46,859 --> 00:19:48,870 S1: have been like a post-Covid thing, but no one saw 430 00:19:48,869 --> 00:19:52,230 S1: that movie. Like, there are Timothy projects that no one 431 00:19:52,230 --> 00:19:56,040 S1: has seen, which to me suggests that he isn't the 432 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,560 S1: main pull in the big films that he's in that 433 00:19:58,560 --> 00:19:59,280 S1: people go and see. 434 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,380 S2: Yeah, I mean, maybe that it says something about us 435 00:20:01,380 --> 00:20:03,780 S2: and our relationship to Timothy. Well, I. 436 00:20:03,780 --> 00:20:05,820 S3: Guess we can we can revisit Glen Powell next week 437 00:20:05,820 --> 00:20:07,770 S3: because he's going to be starring in the new Richard 438 00:20:07,770 --> 00:20:09,870 S3: Linklater film about a hit man, which I know we're 439 00:20:09,869 --> 00:20:12,570 S3: all quite excited about. It comes out on Netflix next week. 440 00:20:12,570 --> 00:20:14,880 S3: So I mean, that's kind of his first big, like, 441 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,970 S3: I guess, Glen Powell project. And obviously people there's always 442 00:20:17,970 --> 00:20:20,459 S3: going to be a curiosity about Linklater, um, given he 443 00:20:20,460 --> 00:20:23,369 S3: releases so few films. So yeah, I guess we'll see. 444 00:20:23,369 --> 00:20:26,370 S1: An annoyingly not being released in cinemas so he won't 445 00:20:26,369 --> 00:20:28,710 S1: really be able to track the numbers, which seems kind 446 00:20:28,710 --> 00:20:30,359 S1: of crazy and annoying to me. The other thing I 447 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:31,590 S1: just want to say about the list, you know, the 448 00:20:31,590 --> 00:20:34,740 S1: real winner of this is Denis Villeneuve. There are five 449 00:20:34,740 --> 00:20:37,710 S1: people on this list that were in the last June film. 450 00:20:37,710 --> 00:20:41,010 S1: That is crazy. And I think that is partly, you know, 451 00:20:41,010 --> 00:20:42,720 S1: they're on this list because they were in June, too, 452 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,300 S1: and partly they're in June 2nd, because they're the kinds 453 00:20:45,300 --> 00:20:48,780 S1: of actors that directors want to catch before they become super, 454 00:20:48,780 --> 00:20:52,020 S1: super superstars. Uh, and the other thing that stood out 455 00:20:52,020 --> 00:20:54,510 S1: to me, I think, is and The Hollywood Reporter piece 456 00:20:54,510 --> 00:20:58,830 S1: mentions this explicitly, it's a very white list. Eight of 457 00:20:58,830 --> 00:21:02,910 S1: those names are white. I don't think that is like 458 00:21:02,910 --> 00:21:05,130 S1: the fault of The Hollywood Reporter. They're sort of making 459 00:21:05,130 --> 00:21:07,439 S1: the case that studios, you know, for all the talk 460 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,320 S1: of diversity over the last five, ten years, that kind 461 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,540 S1: of is not really a focus for them anymore. There 462 00:21:12,540 --> 00:21:16,109 S1: is this narrative within Hollywood and the arts more generally, 463 00:21:16,109 --> 00:21:19,350 S1: particularly commercial arts, that, you know, when everything's going well 464 00:21:19,350 --> 00:21:22,140 S1: economically and movies are making heaps of money. That's when 465 00:21:22,140 --> 00:21:25,050 S1: we have, you know, the quote unquote freedom to just like, 466 00:21:25,050 --> 00:21:27,240 S1: play around with ideas of diversity and give everyone a 467 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:31,170 S1: go when things get a bit dicey, we just retreat 468 00:21:31,170 --> 00:21:33,900 S1: back to something that we're more comfortable and familiar with. 469 00:21:33,900 --> 00:21:37,409 S1: So the handsome white guy and the hot white girl 470 00:21:37,410 --> 00:21:40,140 S1: in a movie together with each other, I think that 471 00:21:40,140 --> 00:21:42,179 S1: is a pretty like, reductive perspective. And I think there's 472 00:21:42,180 --> 00:21:46,410 S1: a lot of evidence that putting movie stars in films 473 00:21:46,410 --> 00:21:50,040 S1: who come from different backgrounds, particularly black Latinx backgrounds in America, 474 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:54,390 S1: is a box office draw. Jenna Ortega clearly has a 475 00:21:54,390 --> 00:21:58,650 S1: broad multicultural fan base, as does Zendaya. So hopefully if 476 00:21:58,650 --> 00:22:01,230 S1: we do a list like this in the future, there 477 00:22:01,230 --> 00:22:04,170 S1: is a bit more diversity. I just don't think it's 478 00:22:04,170 --> 00:22:07,410 S1: great that we seem to be going backwards in this space. 479 00:22:07,410 --> 00:22:09,899 S2: Yeah, it's pretty stark looking at that list, and it 480 00:22:09,900 --> 00:22:12,600 S2: is a reminder that for, as you say, for all 481 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:16,950 S2: the talk of diversity, you know, and including diverse characters, 482 00:22:16,950 --> 00:22:19,379 S2: who is actually taking the leading roles, who is actually 483 00:22:19,380 --> 00:22:21,929 S2: being cast in the films with the biggest budgets, with 484 00:22:21,930 --> 00:22:25,710 S2: the biggest payrolls? Um, and yeah, I mean, you would 485 00:22:25,710 --> 00:22:27,330 S2: hope it continues to change. 486 00:22:36,180 --> 00:22:41,520 S1: It's time for the 1999 movie Hall of Fame. I 487 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,340 S1: think for a lot of the movies that we're going 488 00:22:44,340 --> 00:22:47,250 S1: to talk about, we will probably a bit too young 489 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,980 S1: to see them in the cinema for the first time, 490 00:22:49,980 --> 00:22:52,649 S1: probably to watch them on DVD. A few years later, 491 00:22:52,650 --> 00:22:54,179 S1: when we were all teenagers and had nothing else to 492 00:22:54,180 --> 00:22:58,500 S1: do but watch films. But I want to ask you guys, 493 00:22:58,500 --> 00:23:02,609 S1: do you have any memories of going to the cinema 494 00:23:02,609 --> 00:23:06,510 S1: in this year? Well, I imagine your eyeshadow was blue 495 00:23:06,510 --> 00:23:09,119 S1: and Thomas, your hair was gelled and bleached. 496 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,070 S2: I don't know how old you think we are. 497 00:23:11,100 --> 00:23:12,690 S3: My my hair actually was. 498 00:23:13,290 --> 00:23:16,830 S2: I was not wearing eyeshadow then, but I will tell 499 00:23:16,830 --> 00:23:20,280 S2: you what I was doing in 1999. Um, Thomas is 500 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:25,350 S2: familiar with the publication. Let me guess. That Thomas is 501 00:23:25,350 --> 00:23:28,890 S2: familiar with the publication I ran at the time, the 502 00:23:28,890 --> 00:23:32,699 S2: Copy Cove News, which I. Yeah, run it from my 503 00:23:32,700 --> 00:23:35,430 S2: cubby house. It cost three gumnuts. I distributed it to 504 00:23:35,430 --> 00:23:38,490 S2: the houses in my cul de sac. Um, but I 505 00:23:38,490 --> 00:23:41,760 S2: was running a real fear campaign about Y2K. So much 506 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:45,630 S2: so that neighbours intervened because I was causing a level 507 00:23:45,630 --> 00:23:47,310 S2: of distress for the children. 508 00:23:47,310 --> 00:23:50,340 S1: You were like a Alex Jones conspiracy blogger before the internet. 509 00:23:50,340 --> 00:23:52,320 S2: I sold those papers. I sold them good. 510 00:23:52,470 --> 00:23:53,909 S1: How did I not know this? You had your own 511 00:23:53,910 --> 00:23:59,250 S1: little neighborhood publication absolutely. Decades before you edited Australia's leading cultural. 512 00:23:59,250 --> 00:24:02,489 S2: Section was where I grew my chops. Um, I had to. 513 00:24:02,490 --> 00:24:04,740 S2: It was a full end to end operation. Really. I 514 00:24:04,740 --> 00:24:06,510 S2: did it all. Um, but yes, it did cause a 515 00:24:06,510 --> 00:24:10,080 S2: bit of controversy because children were packing go bags because 516 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,470 S2: they thought the world was going to collapse. So unfortunately, 517 00:24:13,470 --> 00:24:16,200 S2: much like the sun, we had to close down in disgrace. 518 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,990 S3: Yes. And it's so sad that those small print presses 519 00:24:18,990 --> 00:24:21,119 S3: around the country are closing down. And obviously you were 520 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:22,710 S3: part of that movement. 521 00:24:22,710 --> 00:24:25,020 S2: Um, meanwhile, you were getting your hair dyed. 522 00:24:25,020 --> 00:24:27,960 S3: Yeah. Look, I was experimenting with a lot of different 523 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,750 S3: things in this age. I desperately wanted to be allowed 524 00:24:30,750 --> 00:24:33,270 S3: to actually, like, properly bleach my hair. My mum was like, 525 00:24:33,270 --> 00:24:35,790 S3: I mean, credit to her, you look like a fucking idiot. 526 00:24:35,790 --> 00:24:37,679 S3: And so I just was allowed to have like, sun in, 527 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,200 S3: you know, like the it looked, it also looked bad, 528 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,540 S3: but I guess less worse than had I really committed. 529 00:24:42,540 --> 00:24:44,159 S1: And why did you want to go blonde, Thomas? A 530 00:24:44,190 --> 00:24:47,250 S1: young Greek boy like you with your Mediterranean features in hair. 531 00:24:47,250 --> 00:24:49,800 S1: What was it about growing up in that part of 532 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,200 S1: Australia at that point in time that made you feel 533 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,570 S1: like you wanted to make your hair blonde? 534 00:24:54,570 --> 00:24:57,150 S3: Well, if you were to look at like the Aryan 535 00:24:57,150 --> 00:25:00,960 S3: photo of my year six like cohort at oyster Bay 536 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,629 S3: Primary School deep in the Sutherland Shire, famous for the 537 00:25:03,630 --> 00:25:06,750 S3: Cronulla riots, uh, you probably understand, but yes, uh, I 538 00:25:06,750 --> 00:25:08,760 S3: mean that I can blame on that. I don't know 539 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:12,120 S3: who to blame the S&P belt on. Uh, and also 540 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:13,770 S3: the shell choker necklace. 541 00:25:13,770 --> 00:25:15,420 S2: What was Baby Osmond doing? 542 00:25:16,350 --> 00:25:18,389 S1: Well, you know, what I was doing this year was 543 00:25:18,390 --> 00:25:21,179 S1: watching Star Wars Episode one The Phantom Menace in cinemas. Like, 544 00:25:21,180 --> 00:25:23,490 S1: like nine times I went so much. 545 00:25:23,700 --> 00:25:26,730 S2: He went the exact same person then as you are now. 546 00:25:27,780 --> 00:25:30,420 S1: Um, I think, like, you know, when I was a kid, 547 00:25:30,420 --> 00:25:32,939 S1: we had the Star Wars films on VHS, and so 548 00:25:32,940 --> 00:25:35,010 S1: I just kind of grew up watching them all. And 549 00:25:35,010 --> 00:25:37,560 S1: they're from this era. That was clearly before I was around, 550 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,919 S1: but they still felt like the coolest, sickest films to me. 551 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,550 S1: And then when they announced that this new one was coming, 552 00:25:44,550 --> 00:25:46,590 S1: it's like, they can do that. They can like take 553 00:25:46,590 --> 00:25:51,149 S1: a franchise that ended two plus decades ago and bring 554 00:25:51,150 --> 00:25:53,760 S1: it back in cinemas with a new story and new 555 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,550 S1: cast and new fancy CGI. And at the age of 556 00:25:56,550 --> 00:25:59,340 S1: like nine, I was too stupid to realize that the 557 00:25:59,340 --> 00:26:02,550 S1: movie's like, not that great, but it was great to 558 00:26:02,550 --> 00:26:06,000 S1: just sort of experience cinema and that kind of scale, 559 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,060 S1: that sort of event movie stuff. And I just kept going. 560 00:26:09,060 --> 00:26:12,510 S1: I went and went and went, and it was probably 561 00:26:12,510 --> 00:26:14,940 S1: a depressingly like where I fell in love with going 562 00:26:14,940 --> 00:26:17,550 S1: to the movie theaters. Um, because it's not really a 563 00:26:17,550 --> 00:26:20,100 S1: film I think about too much, but it's my main 564 00:26:20,100 --> 00:26:21,390 S1: cinema memory from that year. 565 00:26:21,390 --> 00:26:21,960 S3: It was a special. 566 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,060 S2: Time in pathology. Started young. Yeah. 567 00:26:25,530 --> 00:26:29,879 S1: Um, let's run through the ten biggest films at the 568 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:31,980 S1: box office that year to give us a bit of 569 00:26:31,980 --> 00:26:34,830 S1: a sense of the lay of the land. Number one 570 00:26:34,830 --> 00:26:37,470 S1: was Star Wars The Phantom Menace. Half of that box 571 00:26:37,470 --> 00:26:41,010 S1: office was probably me. Um, just going repeat visits. Uh, 572 00:26:41,010 --> 00:26:43,920 S1: number two was The Sixth Sense. Very iconic M Night 573 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:49,500 S1: Shyamalan movie with Bruce Willis, toy story two, The Matrix, Tarzan, 574 00:26:49,530 --> 00:26:52,740 S1: The Mummy, Notting Hill, The World Is Not Enough, the 575 00:26:52,740 --> 00:26:57,060 S1: James Bond film American Beauty, and Austin Powers The Spy 576 00:26:57,060 --> 00:27:01,139 S1: Who Shagged Me. Any highlights for you guys on that list? 577 00:27:01,410 --> 00:27:04,170 S3: Oh my God, where to begin? Notting Hill is like. 578 00:27:04,170 --> 00:27:07,500 S3: I mean, one of the all time greats, obviously. Uh, 579 00:27:07,500 --> 00:27:10,230 S3: The Sixth Sense, I feel like, you know, before, like, 580 00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:12,899 S3: meme culture was a thing. It became that before we 581 00:27:12,900 --> 00:27:14,730 S3: had a word for it. Like it like just had 582 00:27:14,730 --> 00:27:19,170 S3: this chokehold on the pop culture, like people quoting it. And, 583 00:27:19,170 --> 00:27:22,470 S3: you know, once everyone knew this, the spoiler, um, it 584 00:27:22,470 --> 00:27:24,330 S3: was just like this kind of like language that you 585 00:27:24,330 --> 00:27:25,379 S3: would use with people. 586 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,840 S1: Probably like where our generation learnt the idea of a 587 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:28,680 S1: movie twist. 588 00:27:28,710 --> 00:27:29,160 S3: Pretty much. 589 00:27:29,609 --> 00:27:32,700 S2: All the full postmodernism of the 90s with The Matrix 590 00:27:32,700 --> 00:27:35,489 S2: and Being John Malkovich coming to the forefront. Maybe the 591 00:27:35,490 --> 00:27:38,640 S2: start of the Disney Renaissance with Toy Story two. 592 00:27:38,670 --> 00:27:42,210 S1: I mean, The Matrix was pretty hostile to tech and 593 00:27:42,210 --> 00:27:44,160 S1: the internet. Mel, was this something that you wrote about 594 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:45,330 S1: in your music? 595 00:27:45,630 --> 00:27:49,080 S2: Yeah. No doubt, no doubt. Um, also, I feel like 596 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,899 S2: it was the last of the kind of real classic 597 00:27:51,900 --> 00:27:54,780 S2: rom com Notting Hill. Ten things I Hate About You. 598 00:27:54,780 --> 00:27:57,960 S2: She's All That Never Been Kissed. This kind of genre 599 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,209 S2: of of rom com that I think so many of 600 00:28:00,210 --> 00:28:03,060 S2: us probably watched at sleepovers or I know I did, 601 00:28:03,060 --> 00:28:05,850 S2: were on the VHS at sleepovers. I feel like it 602 00:28:05,850 --> 00:28:07,980 S2: kind of marked the end of that era as well. 603 00:28:07,980 --> 00:28:10,050 S3: I didn't pick you for getting invited to many sleepovers, 604 00:28:10,050 --> 00:28:10,500 S3: if I'm honest. 605 00:28:10,830 --> 00:28:13,619 S2: Well, it was a distribution network for the publication I 606 00:28:13,619 --> 00:28:16,379 S2: had to network back then. Was hustle. 607 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,690 S1: The other thing? The other thing that stood out to 608 00:28:18,690 --> 00:28:20,190 S1: me looking at this list, we talk a lot now 609 00:28:20,190 --> 00:28:25,439 S1: about how sequels and prequels and IP dominate the box 610 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,990 S1: office in the kind of the current era of moviegoing, 611 00:28:27,990 --> 00:28:30,390 S1: but five of these top ten movies are based on 612 00:28:30,390 --> 00:28:33,330 S1: existing IP. They're either direct sequels or, in the case 613 00:28:33,330 --> 00:28:36,270 S1: of something like Tarzan, based on earlier films and earlier 614 00:28:36,270 --> 00:28:39,090 S1: books and things like that. So it is interesting, isn't it, 615 00:28:39,090 --> 00:28:42,479 S1: to kind of we often look back at previous eras 616 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,460 S1: of cinema with these rose colored glasses. Like that was 617 00:28:44,460 --> 00:28:46,380 S1: a good old days when every story was original. And 618 00:28:46,380 --> 00:28:49,200 S1: there's certainly a decent chunk of original stories here, and 619 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,200 S1: stories like The Matrix and The Mummy, which then became 620 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,380 S1: big franchises. But we had heaps of sequels like Disney 621 00:28:55,380 --> 00:28:58,080 S1: was in its, uh, you know, let's, let's take what 622 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,420 S1: we've done well and make heaps more of it era 623 00:29:00,420 --> 00:29:03,090 S1: as well. The Oscars that year, it was like an 624 00:29:03,090 --> 00:29:07,200 S1: American beauty, absolute clean up. Uh, it won best film, 625 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,920 S1: best director for Sam Mendes, Best actor for Kevin Spacey. 626 00:29:11,250 --> 00:29:14,940 S1: There were heaps of interesting debuts in terms of actors 627 00:29:14,940 --> 00:29:18,000 S1: that year as well. Amy Adams made her first appearance 628 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,970 S1: in Drop Dead Gorgeous James Franco. First time we saw 629 00:29:20,970 --> 00:29:24,090 S1: him on screen and never been kissed Zach Galifianakis, Kathryn Hahn, 630 00:29:24,090 --> 00:29:27,330 S1: Brie Larson, Michael B Jordan, Hugh Jackman, Dakota Johnson, the 631 00:29:27,330 --> 00:29:30,090 S1: list goes on and on. A lot of actors hitting 632 00:29:30,090 --> 00:29:32,880 S1: the screens. In 1999, we had some of the best 633 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,790 S1: teen films of all time. Ten things I Hate About 634 00:29:35,790 --> 00:29:42,880 S1: You American Pie. Lots of great films. Stanley Kubrick's final film, 635 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,660 S1: Eyes Wide Shut. One of the best Australian films ever made. 636 00:29:46,660 --> 00:29:49,870 S1: Heath Ledger's two hands. This was a special year. What 637 00:29:49,870 --> 00:29:51,910 S1: was in the water in 1999? 638 00:29:51,910 --> 00:29:54,070 S3: I don't know, but Y2K obviously wiped it out. 639 00:29:54,070 --> 00:29:56,890 S2: Yeah, I think maybe it was that kind of looming 640 00:29:56,890 --> 00:29:59,950 S2: sense of the new millennium was going on. And you 641 00:29:59,950 --> 00:30:01,300 S2: do see that. I think in a lot of these 642 00:30:01,300 --> 00:30:03,550 S2: films that is there, there is a kind of underlying 643 00:30:03,550 --> 00:30:06,760 S2: sense of unease and standing on the precipice. Not in 644 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:08,860 S2: all of them, obviously, but in some of them. And also, 645 00:30:08,860 --> 00:30:10,870 S2: the other thing I noticed about that list was, um, 646 00:30:11,170 --> 00:30:14,110 S2: maybe it's the tech that's coming to the forefront as well. 647 00:30:14,110 --> 00:30:16,540 S2: Like CGI is getting way better, which you see in 648 00:30:16,540 --> 00:30:20,380 S2: things like The Matrix, Star Wars, um, The Mummy. Like 649 00:30:20,380 --> 00:30:22,960 S2: there is that kind of starting of that tech as 650 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,239 S2: well as you're kind of seeing a lot of the 651 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,070 S2: indie films still on the list. 652 00:30:27,070 --> 00:30:28,930 S1: Yeah, that's a really good point. I feel like we're 653 00:30:28,930 --> 00:30:32,050 S1: kind of at this midpoint where we still had in 654 00:30:32,050 --> 00:30:35,650 S1: big independent studios, it was easier for writers and directors 655 00:30:35,650 --> 00:30:39,790 S1: to get funding for projects that were original and perhaps 656 00:30:39,790 --> 00:30:43,510 S1: a bit wacky. And then we had big blockbuster franchise 657 00:30:43,510 --> 00:30:46,510 S1: stuff at the same time, too. And it's interesting to 658 00:30:46,510 --> 00:30:48,520 S1: think about the impact of technology. I mean, obviously it's 659 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,870 S1: disrupted the business model of how films work, but you 660 00:30:52,870 --> 00:30:55,360 S1: hear a lot of directors and writers talk about how 661 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:59,290 S1: the advent of the internet and mobile phones really made 662 00:30:59,290 --> 00:31:02,890 S1: it much harder to write good scripts, because so much 663 00:31:02,890 --> 00:31:08,710 S1: uncertainty and intrigue and kind of plot mystery is wiped 664 00:31:08,710 --> 00:31:10,930 S1: away when you can just call or text or look 665 00:31:10,930 --> 00:31:13,000 S1: something up on a screen or on a phone. So 666 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,340 S1: when you don't have that and everything has to revolve 667 00:31:15,340 --> 00:31:18,190 S1: around conversations and there's a bit more of a sense 668 00:31:18,190 --> 00:31:20,500 S1: of like, well, what, what what could happen here? Like 669 00:31:20,500 --> 00:31:22,630 S1: where has that person gone and how do we find them? 670 00:31:22,630 --> 00:31:26,860 S1: Kind of makes for more thrilling films that directors now 671 00:31:26,860 --> 00:31:29,740 S1: have to work very, very, very hard to create that 672 00:31:29,740 --> 00:31:33,190 S1: sense of intrigue when everything can be solved by googling it. Basically. 673 00:31:33,190 --> 00:31:34,870 S2: Yeah, it's so true. And you do hear a surprising 674 00:31:34,870 --> 00:31:37,570 S2: number of directors and writers talk about setting shows in 675 00:31:37,570 --> 00:31:41,230 S2: the 1990s purely for the point of avoiding that. 676 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:46,630 S1: Mhm. All right. Let's start building our 1999 movie Hall 677 00:31:46,630 --> 00:31:48,430 S1: of Fame. Here's how it's going to work. Each of 678 00:31:48,430 --> 00:31:52,000 S1: us has picked three films from 1999. We're going to 679 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,250 S1: talk about the movie, why we chose it and then 680 00:31:54,250 --> 00:31:57,459 S1: break it down into some categories. We're going to talk 681 00:31:57,460 --> 00:32:00,250 S1: about the best scene from the movie. What holds up 682 00:32:00,250 --> 00:32:02,890 S1: the best since it was released 25 years ago? What 683 00:32:02,890 --> 00:32:06,130 S1: doesn't hold up, and if the film could or would 684 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,130 S1: be made today? We're also going to share some fun 685 00:32:09,130 --> 00:32:12,190 S1: facts along the way, and Thomas has promised us some 686 00:32:12,190 --> 00:32:15,670 S1: kind of quiz that may also occur at some random point. 687 00:32:16,300 --> 00:32:18,850 S2: I was briefed. I did not study. I'm not prepared. 688 00:32:18,850 --> 00:32:20,770 S3: It's more just like the occasional question keep you on 689 00:32:20,770 --> 00:32:22,960 S3: your toes. You know what I mean? You love. You 690 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,670 S3: love like exam conditions. 691 00:32:24,670 --> 00:32:25,719 S2: So I prep hard. 692 00:32:27,100 --> 00:32:28,870 S1: Look, as I said earlier, this is the first time 693 00:32:28,870 --> 00:32:31,750 S1: we've done something like this. Hopefully it works. Hopefully, you know, 694 00:32:31,750 --> 00:32:33,760 S1: we come up with a great list of films for 695 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,370 S1: people to think about and perhaps watch and learn some 696 00:32:36,370 --> 00:32:39,130 S1: things along the way, and hopefully we have fun as well. 697 00:32:39,130 --> 00:32:41,590 S1: That's the that's the goal of this exercise. Before we 698 00:32:41,590 --> 00:32:43,810 S1: get into it, each of us also gets an honorable mention, 699 00:32:43,870 --> 00:32:46,360 S1: a film that we didn't necessarily want to totally unpack, 700 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:50,320 S1: but thought was worth a shout out. Thomas Joiner kicked 701 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:51,070 S1: this one off. 702 00:32:51,070 --> 00:32:53,500 S3: Yes, well, I mean, this one actually ties quite nicely 703 00:32:53,500 --> 00:32:55,930 S3: into what we've already discussed on the pod. Now, as 704 00:32:55,930 --> 00:33:00,760 S3: you both know, 1999 was the year The Sopranos also premiered. Uh, 705 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,100 S3: of course, the story about a mobster who has a. 706 00:33:03,340 --> 00:33:04,660 S2: Great TV show. 707 00:33:04,870 --> 00:33:07,840 S3: Who has a crisis and finds himself, you know, seeing 708 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,210 S3: a therapist. But I'm going to take the film version 709 00:33:10,210 --> 00:33:12,430 S3: of that, which, of course, is analyze This. 710 00:33:12,430 --> 00:33:14,260 S5: Meet Paul Vitti. I don't. 711 00:33:14,500 --> 00:33:15,880 S6: Feel great. Never felt better. 712 00:33:16,690 --> 00:33:20,920 S5: A mob boss with a problem. Yeah, I got stress. 713 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,120 S3: The Robert De Niro film. Uh, he plays, you know, 714 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,390 S3: the classic mobster who then goes to see a psychiatrist 715 00:33:28,390 --> 00:33:31,300 S3: played by Billy Crystal. It's a crime comedy. Lisa Kudrow 716 00:33:31,300 --> 00:33:33,880 S3: is also in it. Uh, it's such a fun film. 717 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,160 S3: It was directed by Harold Ramis. You know, it did 718 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,140 S3: crazy numbers as well and then led to the sequel 719 00:33:38,140 --> 00:33:40,840 S3: Analyze That. But yeah, my dad, uh, who is really 720 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,229 S3: into gangster films, um, we loved this film. We got 721 00:33:44,230 --> 00:33:47,170 S3: a chance to meet Billy Crystal, uh, one day. And 722 00:33:47,170 --> 00:33:50,110 S3: my dad basically likes. Wow. Quoted his own lines back 723 00:33:50,110 --> 00:33:52,060 S3: at him for five minutes, which I'm sure Billy Crystal 724 00:33:52,060 --> 00:33:55,120 S3: absolutely loved. Uh, but yeah, that's one that, you know, 725 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,760 S3: it doesn't make the best of 99 films, you know, lists. 726 00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,950 S3: But analyze this is a really fun, like, you know, 727 00:33:59,950 --> 00:34:00,970 S3: Mafia film. 728 00:34:00,970 --> 00:34:03,280 S2: Yeah. Good one. Okay, I went with ten things I 729 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:04,120 S2: Hate About You. 730 00:34:04,150 --> 00:34:06,370 S7: It's a widely known fact that the Stratford sisters aren't 731 00:34:06,370 --> 00:34:07,240 S7: allowed to date. 732 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,240 S5: For every girl who's ever hoped. 733 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,070 S8: Daddy, as you know, it's the prom. 734 00:34:12,700 --> 00:34:14,440 S5: Every guy who's ever tried. 735 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,959 S9: You never give up, do you? Was that a yes? No. 736 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:22,390 S5: And anyone concentrating? Awfully hard, considering it's gym class who's 737 00:34:22,390 --> 00:34:24,730 S5: ever been taken completely by surprise. 738 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,049 S2: Obviously there's some issues with this film, some emotionally unavailable characters. 739 00:34:29,050 --> 00:34:33,819 S2: There's some kind of, uh, adoration of bad boys. But anyway, 740 00:34:33,820 --> 00:34:34,779 S2: beside that, well, let's. 741 00:34:34,780 --> 00:34:37,600 S1: Not say canceling movies this early into this process. 742 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,450 S2: But I will say it's hard to get by the 743 00:34:40,450 --> 00:34:44,110 S2: piece of modern poetry, the excellence that is that final 744 00:34:44,110 --> 00:34:46,180 S2: delivery of I Hate the Way You talk to me 745 00:34:46,180 --> 00:34:48,790 S2: and the way you cut your hair, which, I mean, 746 00:34:48,790 --> 00:34:52,000 S2: you can't surpass that. So that's my honorable mention, one of. 747 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:52,960 S1: The best diss tracks. 748 00:34:53,140 --> 00:34:55,270 S3: Just shout out to Drake for bringing that back. Uh, 749 00:34:55,270 --> 00:34:56,110 S3: during the Kendrick. 750 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,049 S1: Totally. I also have the other Heath ledger film from 751 00:34:59,050 --> 00:35:01,540 S1: this year, Mel two hands. 752 00:35:01,660 --> 00:35:03,790 S10: I got a new job, and, uh, you could say 753 00:35:03,790 --> 00:35:04,870 S10: I'm moving on. Yeah. 754 00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:07,989 S11: What are you doing? Everyone's. Damn. There's a fucking hold up. 755 00:35:08,530 --> 00:35:12,220 S10: I'm, um. I'm being a fucking girl. Oh, maybe. Open 756 00:35:12,219 --> 00:35:14,890 S10: your drawers. I'm waiting for a guy just doing odd 757 00:35:14,890 --> 00:35:16,330 S10: jobs here and there. Right. 758 00:35:16,330 --> 00:35:18,430 S1: Give me a key. I think one of my favorite 759 00:35:18,430 --> 00:35:22,930 S1: Australian films, Heath ledger and Rose Byrne. Uh, sort of 760 00:35:22,930 --> 00:35:29,500 S1: like a gangster crime caper set across Sydney iconic soundtrack. 761 00:35:29,500 --> 00:35:33,340 S1: The Powderfinger song. Amazing performances from people that you just 762 00:35:33,340 --> 00:35:37,420 S1: knew were going to be stars, shepherded by Bryan Brown. 763 00:35:37,420 --> 00:35:39,100 S1: Like one of the best Australian actors of all time, 764 00:35:39,100 --> 00:35:42,190 S1: this is just a really awesome film, and if you've 765 00:35:42,190 --> 00:35:44,590 S1: never seen it, go watch it. It's not that long. 766 00:35:44,590 --> 00:35:48,910 S1: It's funny, it's dark, it's fascinating. It captures a perfect 767 00:35:48,910 --> 00:35:52,630 S1: slice of 1990s Australia. If you have seen it, go 768 00:35:52,630 --> 00:35:53,919 S1: watch it again. This is great. Yeah. 769 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:55,180 S2: Agreed. That's a very good one. 770 00:35:56,080 --> 00:36:00,520 S1: Time to get cracking. Mel, you get to go first. 771 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:04,000 S1: What is your first pick for our 1999 Hall of Fame? 772 00:36:04,060 --> 00:36:09,850 S2: Drum roll straight into the list. Pete Anderson's Magnolia. You can. 773 00:36:09,850 --> 00:36:10,360 S5: Sing it. 774 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:11,440 S12: I'm Stanley Spector. 775 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,330 S13: There is the story of a boy genius. 776 00:36:14,110 --> 00:36:16,450 S12: Thomas Kid, Jean-Baptiste Poquelin, Moliere. 777 00:36:16,450 --> 00:36:17,740 S13: And the game show host. 778 00:36:17,830 --> 00:36:21,430 S5: Jimmy Gator live from Burbank, California. 779 00:36:21,430 --> 00:36:24,609 S7: First question for 25, this French playwright and actor joined 780 00:36:24,610 --> 00:36:26,140 S7: the bizarre troupe of actors and the. 781 00:36:26,140 --> 00:36:28,360 S13: Ex-boy genius Chris Kid Donnie Smith. 782 00:36:28,630 --> 00:36:30,130 S14: I used to be smart. Now I'm just. 783 00:36:30,130 --> 00:36:30,550 S13: Stupid. 784 00:36:30,730 --> 00:36:34,600 S2: The saddest film potentially ever made. Very miserable. It was 785 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,270 S2: his third film. He was only 30 years old when 786 00:36:37,270 --> 00:36:39,640 S2: he made it, which is kind of insane. Set over 787 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,510 S2: one day in the San Fernando Valley, it is very 788 00:36:43,510 --> 00:36:48,220 S2: much about alienation, loneliness, failed connection, which is very kinda 789 00:36:48,370 --> 00:36:52,180 S2: Y2K ish end of an era moment. Pretty much everyone's 790 00:36:52,180 --> 00:36:56,230 S2: in crisis, so it's multiple stories, all kind of interlinked, 791 00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:00,040 S2: loosely around a quiz game show. But the cast is 792 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,340 S2: so stacked. You've got Tom cruise, Philip Seymour Hoffman, John 793 00:37:03,370 --> 00:37:06,610 S2: C Reilly, Julianne Moore, to name a few. And you 794 00:37:06,610 --> 00:37:09,550 S2: also have one of the weirdest kind of final thirds 795 00:37:09,550 --> 00:37:12,790 S2: of a film that maybe exists. 796 00:37:12,790 --> 00:37:16,000 S1: Great choice, great film, great director, great to have the 797 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,010 S1: woman on the pod bring up Paul Thomas Anderson. I've 798 00:37:18,010 --> 00:37:20,680 S1: got to say, you know, break, break the expectations. 799 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,290 S2: Well, I was going to pick girl interrupted being my 800 00:37:23,290 --> 00:37:25,839 S2: kind of status on the pod, but I thought I'd 801 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:26,530 S2: mix it up. 802 00:37:26,530 --> 00:37:28,420 S1: It's an awesome film. It's like kind of a Boogie 803 00:37:28,420 --> 00:37:30,610 S1: Nights reunion in terms of the cast. You know, P.J. 804 00:37:30,610 --> 00:37:34,450 S1: going back to the San Fernando Valley. Also, interestingly, like 805 00:37:34,450 --> 00:37:38,319 S1: quite a few actors in multiple films this year, Tom 806 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,320 S1: Cruise in Magnolia and in Eyes Wide Shut, Philip Seymour 807 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,380 S1: Hoffman in this film and in The Talented Mr. Ripley, 808 00:37:44,380 --> 00:37:46,600 S1: there's a bit of that going on. It was like 809 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,270 S1: a big year for a handful of actors. What is 810 00:37:49,270 --> 00:37:51,250 S1: your favorite scene from this film? 811 00:37:51,250 --> 00:37:54,550 S2: Okay, my favorite scene has to be Julianne Moore. She 812 00:37:54,550 --> 00:37:58,600 S2: plays a carer for her husband, who is dying of cancer. 813 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,660 S2: She goes to the pharmacist to get drugs, and it's 814 00:38:01,660 --> 00:38:05,110 S2: quite this monumental scene where the pharmacist is talking to her, 815 00:38:05,110 --> 00:38:07,690 S2: and this patronizing tone about the drugs and how strong 816 00:38:07,690 --> 00:38:10,180 S2: they are and why are you buying them. And she 817 00:38:10,180 --> 00:38:13,510 S2: gets slowly more angry and angry and angry. And then 818 00:38:13,510 --> 00:38:15,310 S2: all of a sudden she launches into this kind of 819 00:38:15,310 --> 00:38:20,020 S2: insane monologue. Do you think you are? I come in here, 820 00:38:20,020 --> 00:38:21,250 S2: you don't know me. 821 00:38:21,250 --> 00:38:23,259 S8: You don't know who I am, what my life is, 822 00:38:23,260 --> 00:38:25,960 S8: and you have the balls. The indecency to ask me 823 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:27,160 S8: a question about my life. 824 00:38:27,850 --> 00:38:28,060 S5: What do. 825 00:38:28,060 --> 00:38:30,100 S8: You do? Don't you call me lady. 826 00:38:30,100 --> 00:38:32,890 UU: I come in here, I give these things to you. 827 00:38:32,890 --> 00:38:37,150 UU: You check, you make your phone calls, look suspicious, ask questions. 828 00:38:37,150 --> 00:38:42,550 UU: I'm sick. Me and you fucking ask me my life. 829 00:38:42,550 --> 00:38:46,359 UU: What's wrong? Have you seen death in your bed? In 830 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,130 UU: your house? Where's your. 831 00:38:48,130 --> 00:38:54,100 S8: Fucking decency? And then I met fucking questions. What's. Wrong. 832 00:38:54,910 --> 00:38:56,620 S8: Suck my dick. 833 00:38:56,650 --> 00:39:00,190 UU: That's what's wrong with you. You fucking call me lady. 834 00:39:00,310 --> 00:39:01,510 UU: Shame on you. 835 00:39:02,530 --> 00:39:05,830 S2: It's such a good scene. Like, doesn't make sense that 836 00:39:05,830 --> 00:39:07,870 S2: she would do that. Maybe not. Is it a bit 837 00:39:07,870 --> 00:39:10,299 S2: overacted and melodramatic? Probably. I mean. 838 00:39:10,300 --> 00:39:12,310 S1: It's one of the most overacted scenes. 839 00:39:12,489 --> 00:39:14,680 S2: I mean, I get it, but still, I think it 840 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:16,900 S2: stands up. I love watching it every time. 841 00:39:16,930 --> 00:39:21,070 S1: Awesome. And what do you think holds up the best? 842 00:39:21,070 --> 00:39:23,230 S2: Tom cruise, for sure. And I actually think that if 843 00:39:23,230 --> 00:39:25,180 S2: it wasn't the Julianne Moore scene, I would pick any 844 00:39:25,180 --> 00:39:28,450 S2: of Tom Cruise's scenes in this film. I love his respect. 845 00:39:28,450 --> 00:39:31,720 S2: The cock moment. I love his deathbed catharsis scene. I 846 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,239 S2: love when he's preparing for his interview. He displays his 847 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:38,379 S2: completely unhinged character, and the film's actually, like, quite ahead 848 00:39:38,380 --> 00:39:40,840 S2: of its time in looking at, you know, the men's 849 00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,170 S2: rights movement and toxic masculinity, which is what he comes 850 00:39:44,170 --> 00:39:47,049 S2: to represent, playing this character who is teaching men how 851 00:39:47,050 --> 00:39:50,770 S2: to seduce women and essentially trick them into having sex 852 00:39:50,770 --> 00:39:52,300 S2: with them. I think that holds up pretty well. And 853 00:39:52,300 --> 00:39:56,170 S2: also Aimee Mann's soundtrack, which, um, P.T. Anderson has said, 854 00:39:56,170 --> 00:39:58,719 S2: he kind of structured the film around. I think that 855 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,930 S2: holds up well to you. Do save me wise up 856 00:40:01,930 --> 00:40:03,550 S2: like great, great songs. 857 00:40:03,550 --> 00:40:06,460 S1: Tom Cruise's filmography. I've just got a I know Thomas 858 00:40:06,460 --> 00:40:08,110 S1: is worried that we're going to blow out of time 859 00:40:08,110 --> 00:40:10,989 S1: on this segment, but like A Few Good Men, The Firm, 860 00:40:10,989 --> 00:40:15,250 S1: interview with the vampire, Mission Impossible, Jerry Maguire, Eyes Wide Shut, Magnolia, 861 00:40:15,250 --> 00:40:17,319 S1: that that's crazy. That's what he was doing in the 862 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,380 S1: lead up to this movie. What a guy. Great, great 863 00:40:20,380 --> 00:40:21,880 S1: pick for what holds up the best. 864 00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:23,680 S2: Give him give him the Oscar. His best was. 865 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,750 S3: Yet to come as well. Obviously with Mission Impossible two. 866 00:40:25,750 --> 00:40:26,020 S15: And. 867 00:40:28,420 --> 00:40:32,980 S1: Um, Mel Watt doesn't hold up quite as well in Magnolia. 868 00:40:32,980 --> 00:40:36,430 S2: Look, I think it's a very long film, and even P.T. 869 00:40:36,430 --> 00:40:41,140 S2: Anderson said it goes for three hours. 870 00:40:41,140 --> 00:40:43,750 S1: Also, I like that you call him P.T. Anderson, like P.T. Barnum. 871 00:40:43,750 --> 00:40:46,540 S1: I feel like he's either PTA or Paul Thomas Anderson. 872 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:48,009 S2: Scored in P.T. Anderson. Is that. 873 00:40:48,010 --> 00:40:49,509 S3: Wrong? I never talk about him. Yeah. 874 00:40:51,430 --> 00:40:55,239 S2: Um, Paul Thomas Anderson. Then to give him his full name. Uh, yeah, 875 00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,190 S2: it's a long film, and I think even he has 876 00:40:57,190 --> 00:40:59,560 S2: said he probably should have cut 35 minutes from it. 877 00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,230 S2: Some characters, some are less developed than others, and it 878 00:41:02,230 --> 00:41:05,200 S2: does stretch on I we've got to talk about the ending. 879 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,270 S2: And I think we're allowed to give spoilers on here 880 00:41:07,270 --> 00:41:08,860 S2: because you know, yeah. 881 00:41:08,860 --> 00:41:11,500 S1: It's been 25 years. If you don't want Magnolia spoiled, 882 00:41:11,500 --> 00:41:12,070 S1: skip ahead. 883 00:41:12,070 --> 00:41:15,549 S2: Here we go. Frogs come down from the sky. 884 00:41:15,550 --> 00:41:16,989 S1: It's very biblical. Yeah, it. 885 00:41:16,989 --> 00:41:18,969 S2: Is biblical, I loved it. I think it was all 886 00:41:18,969 --> 00:41:25,270 S2: about kind of cleansing. New beginnings 1999 2000. Um, you know, revelation. 887 00:41:25,270 --> 00:41:28,390 S2: I think the frogs worked, but I know a lot 888 00:41:28,390 --> 00:41:29,920 S2: of people didn't. Do you guys have a take on 889 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:30,490 S2: the frogs? 890 00:41:30,489 --> 00:41:31,960 S1: I loved it, it was a big swing. It worked 891 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:32,230 S1: for me. 892 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:33,370 S2: Yeah. 893 00:41:33,430 --> 00:41:35,260 S3: I've actually never seen Magnolia. 894 00:41:35,469 --> 00:41:36,940 S2: Oh, I know. 895 00:41:36,940 --> 00:41:38,589 S3: I thought I might be able to skate by with 896 00:41:38,590 --> 00:41:41,410 S3: that if I just laughed along at the right moments. Um, 897 00:41:41,410 --> 00:41:43,480 S3: but you mean you forced me right into it by 898 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,010 S3: asking me about the frogs? But you had. 899 00:41:45,010 --> 00:41:47,500 S2: Such a strong take on it not being Tom Cruise's best. 900 00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:48,130 S2: I know that. 901 00:41:48,130 --> 00:41:50,410 S3: Nothing is better than Mission Impossible two. It's like, I. 902 00:41:50,410 --> 00:41:52,989 S1: Think anyone who mentions a movie that the others haven't 903 00:41:52,989 --> 00:41:54,700 S1: watched has to watch it in the next week. 904 00:41:55,090 --> 00:41:55,719 S3: Okay. That's fair. 905 00:41:56,020 --> 00:41:56,770 S2: Yeah. Okay, cool. 906 00:41:56,890 --> 00:42:00,609 S1: And now, final question. Could this film, would this film 907 00:42:00,610 --> 00:42:02,680 S1: be made in 2024? 908 00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,680 S2: Look, I think it speaks to a lot of themes 909 00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,690 S2: that are relevant today. You know, there is this kind 910 00:42:07,690 --> 00:42:10,330 S2: of idea of abuse of power for men in Hollywood. 911 00:42:10,330 --> 00:42:13,030 S2: There's a men's rights thing. Would it get made today? 912 00:42:13,030 --> 00:42:16,690 S2: I don't know if we would accept the melodrama of it, 913 00:42:16,690 --> 00:42:19,420 S2: and maybe The Frogs and the singalong would kind of 914 00:42:19,420 --> 00:42:22,900 S2: look a bit, a bit naff so many years on. Um, 915 00:42:22,900 --> 00:42:24,040 S2: so I don't know if we would do that, and 916 00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,319 S2: I think it would get made quite differently. Like the 917 00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:32,259 S2: female characters are very much all victims and suffering men 918 00:42:32,260 --> 00:42:35,020 S2: in their lives who are controlling and abusive. Um, so 919 00:42:35,020 --> 00:42:38,050 S2: that might be different. And also it's again, very a 920 00:42:38,050 --> 00:42:40,810 S2: very white film. So it would probably get made differently, 921 00:42:40,810 --> 00:42:43,029 S2: but I think it would still I think it would 922 00:42:43,030 --> 00:42:44,830 S2: still holds today. Yeah. 923 00:42:44,830 --> 00:42:46,390 S1: You're right that there was a lot of movies in 924 00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:50,830 S1: this year that were very melodramatic, very focused on themes 925 00:42:50,830 --> 00:42:54,880 S1: of alienation and kind of suburban malaise. Uh, I feel 926 00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:55,960 S1: like one of the movies I'm going to talk about 927 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,690 S1: is like that American Beauty is like that, very famously. 928 00:42:58,900 --> 00:43:00,700 S1: Don't know what was happening. Maybe it was just like 929 00:43:00,700 --> 00:43:02,800 S1: the only people allowed to make movies were men of 930 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,690 S1: a certain age and of a certain background, and. 931 00:43:04,690 --> 00:43:06,190 S15: That's all they wanted to talk about. 932 00:43:06,430 --> 00:43:08,259 S1: Um, is there anything else you wanted to say about Magnolia? 933 00:43:08,260 --> 00:43:11,379 S2: Mel, could I give you a fun fact? Absolutely must. So, 934 00:43:11,380 --> 00:43:16,149 S2: you know Kevin Smith, the esteemed director of Mallrats, Chasing Amy, dogma. 935 00:43:16,150 --> 00:43:19,660 S2: So at the time, Bob. Yeah. At the time that 936 00:43:19,660 --> 00:43:23,770 S2: this came out, um, he absolutely destroyed it. He posted 937 00:43:23,770 --> 00:43:26,590 S2: it online that he'd received an Academy screener of the DVD, 938 00:43:26,590 --> 00:43:28,900 S2: and he'll keep it right on his desk as a 939 00:43:28,900 --> 00:43:32,259 S2: constant reminder that a bloated sense of self-importance is the 940 00:43:32,260 --> 00:43:35,049 S2: most unattractive quality in a person or their work. And 941 00:43:35,050 --> 00:43:39,340 S2: he compared watching Magnolia to having root canal. Now, 25 942 00:43:39,340 --> 00:43:43,180 S2: years later, Kevin Smith change of heart. Wow. He's posted 943 00:43:43,180 --> 00:43:47,290 S2: that 20 years ago he dissed Magnolia. It was largely 944 00:43:47,290 --> 00:43:49,930 S2: because critics were giving it more attention than dogma. Which 945 00:43:49,930 --> 00:43:52,720 S2: was he his film? Now he loves Magnolia, and he 946 00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,330 S2: wants to go back in time and explain to the 947 00:43:55,330 --> 00:43:57,880 S2: young Kevin Smith that it's a good film and that 948 00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,820 S2: he was a petulant asshat. So there you go. 949 00:44:00,850 --> 00:44:02,470 S1: I can relate to that. I can. We all have 950 00:44:02,469 --> 00:44:05,440 S1: dumb takes in our 20s that we probably shouldn't have 951 00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,049 S1: put on the internet. Really? Well, Mel, I mean, that 952 00:44:08,050 --> 00:44:09,819 S1: was for our first entry into the Hall of Fame. 953 00:44:09,820 --> 00:44:13,420 S1: I think you nailed it. Great choice, great explanations, great takes. 954 00:44:13,420 --> 00:44:14,230 S1: Loved it. 955 00:44:14,230 --> 00:44:16,719 S2: Thank you. It was high risk, but hopefully high reward. 956 00:44:17,140 --> 00:44:18,040 S15: Thomas. 957 00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,649 S1: Your turn. What have you got for your number one pick? 958 00:44:20,950 --> 00:44:24,580 S3: Uh, yes. Well, luckily, my first pick doesn't fit into this. 959 00:44:24,580 --> 00:44:27,010 S3: You know, kind of like movies being made by men, 960 00:44:27,010 --> 00:44:30,040 S3: suburban malaise, disaffected, and, in fact, is a celebration of 961 00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:34,600 S3: men's rights. It is Fight club. Uh, look, I think 962 00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,910 S3: we all knew this movie was going to pop up somewhere, 963 00:44:36,910 --> 00:44:39,250 S3: and I had to do the honorable thing. Um, obviously 964 00:44:39,250 --> 00:44:43,450 S3: David Fincher, based on Chuck Palahniuk's 1996 novel, um, about, 965 00:44:43,450 --> 00:44:45,880 S3: I guess, you know, all of those things we've already 966 00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,940 S3: talked about, um, this like living a life of authenticity, 967 00:44:48,969 --> 00:44:51,339 S3: what it means, um, what it means when to be 968 00:44:51,340 --> 00:44:53,410 S3: consumed by consumerism. 969 00:44:53,410 --> 00:44:57,779 S16: I want you to hit me as hard as you can. Why? 970 00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,219 S16: How much can you know about yourself? You've never been 971 00:44:59,219 --> 00:44:59,670 S16: in a fight. 972 00:45:00,180 --> 00:45:04,350 S13: Wait. Let me start earlier. Like many of you, I 973 00:45:04,350 --> 00:45:07,500 S13: was stuck. You want me to deprioritize my current reports? 974 00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:09,690 S13: Until you guys have a status upgrade, make. 975 00:45:09,690 --> 00:45:11,310 S17: These your primary action items I. 976 00:45:11,310 --> 00:45:12,120 S13: Couldn't sleep. 977 00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,189 S18: No, you can't die from insomnia. 978 00:45:14,190 --> 00:45:17,100 S13: I'd flip through catalogs and wonder what kind of dining 979 00:45:17,100 --> 00:45:20,430 S13: set defines me as a person. This is your life, 980 00:45:20,430 --> 00:45:23,790 S13: and it's ending one minute at a time. Welcome. I 981 00:45:23,790 --> 00:45:25,290 S13: prayed for a different life. 982 00:45:25,290 --> 00:45:29,070 S3: So it was such a huge, actually flop at the 983 00:45:29,070 --> 00:45:31,260 S3: box office. And then it became one of those films 984 00:45:31,260 --> 00:45:34,080 S3: that took off on DVD. Um, obviously it follows an 985 00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,960 S3: unnamed protagonist, played by Edward Norton, who kind of lives 986 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,200 S3: this very dull life. His, you know, apartment is famously 987 00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,739 S3: full of Ikea furniture. Nothing brings him satisfaction. Nothing brings 988 00:45:43,739 --> 00:45:47,250 S3: him joy until he meets the mysterious Tyler Durden, played 989 00:45:47,250 --> 00:45:50,160 S3: by Brad Pitt, with perhaps the best body ever committed 990 00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:54,840 S3: to screen. Um, and, you know, they then kind of 991 00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:58,470 S3: find themselves in this weird, symbiotic relationship, which is punctuated 992 00:45:58,469 --> 00:46:01,739 S3: by the arrival of an underground fight club and, you know, 993 00:46:01,739 --> 00:46:04,500 S3: the intertwining of their lives. Uh, look where to begin 994 00:46:04,500 --> 00:46:07,140 S3: with Fight Club. Really, it is actually tailor made for 995 00:46:07,140 --> 00:46:09,540 S3: a conversation like this. And obviously lots of people have 996 00:46:09,570 --> 00:46:10,770 S3: beaten us to it. You know, when it was the 997 00:46:10,770 --> 00:46:14,640 S3: 20th anniversary, there were countless thinkpieces about, you know, what 998 00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,640 S3: does Fight Club mean in the in the 21st century? Uh, 999 00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,730 S3: but I stand by the fact that, you know, it 1000 00:46:20,730 --> 00:46:23,850 S3: has been championed by this weird kind of like incel movement. 1001 00:46:23,850 --> 00:46:26,730 S3: But these are the people who do not understand the movie. Uh, 1002 00:46:26,730 --> 00:46:30,000 S3: the joke is on them. I rewatched the film yesterday. Uh, 1003 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:31,980 S3: it really, really holds up. But look, I'm happy to 1004 00:46:31,980 --> 00:46:34,290 S3: get into it. And someone hit me with the favorite 1005 00:46:34,290 --> 00:46:35,070 S3: scene question. 1006 00:46:35,070 --> 00:46:36,989 S1: Well, I mean, just just firstly on that sort of 1007 00:46:36,989 --> 00:46:40,680 S1: top line, you know, view about it being a MRA, 1008 00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,110 S1: incel sort of film. I think you're right that, like, 1009 00:46:43,110 --> 00:46:45,900 S1: this film suffers from the fact that its most vocal, 1010 00:46:45,900 --> 00:46:48,270 S1: the most vocal part of its fan base are the 1011 00:46:48,270 --> 00:46:51,540 S1: ones that clearly don't understand the movie is making fun 1012 00:46:51,540 --> 00:46:53,640 S1: of them, and you see this happen time and time 1013 00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:55,980 S1: again throughout cinema and art as well. I think the 1014 00:46:55,980 --> 00:46:59,430 S1: movie stands on its own as a, you know, as 1015 00:46:59,430 --> 00:47:02,100 S1: what it's trying to grapple with. I think Fincher is 1016 00:47:02,100 --> 00:47:06,419 S1: like a master at Smyrna, a master at skewering certain 1017 00:47:06,420 --> 00:47:09,810 S1: kinds of masculinity in a way that is perhaps too 1018 00:47:09,810 --> 00:47:12,540 S1: subtle for some people. That's fine. People can take from 1019 00:47:12,540 --> 00:47:13,770 S1: the movie what they want, but I do think it's 1020 00:47:13,770 --> 00:47:16,650 S1: sort of unfair the way that the movie's become synonymous 1021 00:47:16,650 --> 00:47:19,410 S1: with a toxic kind of man, when that is clearly 1022 00:47:19,410 --> 00:47:21,360 S1: not what Fincher or the actors in the movie are 1023 00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:22,170 S1: trying to do. 1024 00:47:22,170 --> 00:47:24,990 S2: And I also don't necessarily know, while he is taking 1025 00:47:24,989 --> 00:47:27,810 S2: on masculinity, what he's really what is really his target 1026 00:47:27,810 --> 00:47:31,859 S2: is the society, the kind of alienation created by 1,000,000% 1027 00:47:31,860 --> 00:47:34,950 S2: capitalism that has created this type of man, which is 1028 00:47:34,950 --> 00:47:37,589 S2: the real target of what I see as the real 1029 00:47:37,590 --> 00:47:38,640 S2: target of Fight Club. 1030 00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,770 S3: Yeah, like it is. And it's so funny. Obviously we 1031 00:47:40,770 --> 00:47:43,200 S3: live in this era now of like, you know, the 1032 00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,170 S3: Rogans and the Tates and the Petersons who have very 1033 00:47:46,170 --> 00:47:49,830 S3: much cultivated their own, you know, similar, I guess, communities 1034 00:47:49,830 --> 00:47:54,180 S3: to what Tyler Durden creates. And like, there's so many 1035 00:47:54,180 --> 00:47:56,190 S3: different speeches in this film from Brad Pitt, but when 1036 00:47:56,190 --> 00:47:59,280 S3: he talks about, like, an entire generation pumping gas and 1037 00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,370 S3: waiting tables and slaves with white collars and it's just 1038 00:48:02,370 --> 00:48:06,149 S3: like you can see, it's crazy to see how the 1039 00:48:06,150 --> 00:48:08,489 S3: people who now do follow the likes of, you know, 1040 00:48:08,489 --> 00:48:10,650 S3: like an Andrew Tate, for instance, the most extreme example 1041 00:48:10,650 --> 00:48:13,920 S3: of that, they've like completely bit into what, you know, 1042 00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,860 S3: he is skewering without realizing what's actually being said in 1043 00:48:16,860 --> 00:48:18,180 S3: the subtext. It's amazing. 1044 00:48:18,330 --> 00:48:20,490 S1: And you wanted someone to ask you what your favorite 1045 00:48:20,489 --> 00:48:21,419 S1: scene was. 1046 00:48:21,510 --> 00:48:23,460 S3: Well, I guess it's hard to talk about Fight Club 1047 00:48:23,460 --> 00:48:26,489 S3: without talking about, uh, you know, the most famous scene, 1048 00:48:26,489 --> 00:48:30,090 S3: which is. Gentlemen, welcome to Fight Club, gentlemen. 1049 00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:36,960 S19: Welcome to Fight Club. The first rule of Fight Club 1050 00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:41,100 S19: is you do not talk about Fight Club. The second 1051 00:48:41,100 --> 00:48:45,390 S19: rule of Fight Club is you do not talk about 1052 00:48:45,390 --> 00:48:46,350 S19: Fight Club. 1053 00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:52,049 S3: It's such a great scene. It's like firstly the rewatching this. 1054 00:48:52,050 --> 00:48:54,720 S3: You notice like they really have Brad Pitt eating a 1055 00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:56,370 S3: lot in this film, which he does in lots of 1056 00:48:56,370 --> 00:48:58,050 S3: his films. It's become like a kind of trademark. Yeah, 1057 00:48:58,050 --> 00:48:58,709 S3: the Ocean's films. 1058 00:48:58,710 --> 00:48:59,580 S1: He loves to eat. 1059 00:48:59,580 --> 00:49:01,680 S3: Yes, he's he's he I don't know, he is quite 1060 00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,140 S3: like watchable when he's chewing. He's actually not eating in 1061 00:49:04,140 --> 00:49:06,720 S3: this film. Uh, I would firstly. Okay. This is the 1062 00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:10,589 S3: first of my surprise quizzes. How many rules are there 1063 00:49:10,590 --> 00:49:11,339 S3: in Fight Club? 1064 00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:13,840 S2: Seven two. 1065 00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:16,340 S3: There are eight. 1066 00:49:17,390 --> 00:49:17,960 S15: Close. 1067 00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:20,120 S3: The first rule is that you don't talk about Fight Club. 1068 00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,549 S3: That's also the second rule. Uh, the third rule, if 1069 00:49:22,550 --> 00:49:25,430 S3: someone yells stop, goes limp, taps out, the fight is over. 1070 00:49:25,460 --> 00:49:27,800 S3: Fourth rule only two guys to a fight. Fifth rule. 1071 00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,500 S3: One fight at a time. Six rule. No shirts, no shoes. 1072 00:49:30,530 --> 00:49:32,840 S3: Seventh rule fights go on as long as they have to. 1073 00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,270 S3: And the eighth and final rule. If this is your 1074 00:49:35,270 --> 00:49:37,370 S3: first time at Fight Club, you have to fight. I can't. 1075 00:49:37,370 --> 00:49:38,630 S1: Believe you ran through all the. 1076 00:49:38,630 --> 00:49:39,320 S15: Rules. 1077 00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:41,270 S2: Yeah, I didn't think you would. I thought I did 1078 00:49:41,270 --> 00:49:42,469 S2: not think he would keep growing. 1079 00:49:42,500 --> 00:49:45,650 S1: Thomas has been pointing at his watch when Mel was talking, 1080 00:49:45,650 --> 00:49:47,959 S1: when I was talking earlier, and he just really wanted 1081 00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,870 S1: to get to listing out every single rule. All eight 1082 00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:52,190 S1: of the rules of Fight Club. 1083 00:49:52,190 --> 00:49:55,520 S3: They're good rules. Um, so, yeah, I think that that 1084 00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,520 S3: scene obviously like it really. We meet Tyler a bit 1085 00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:00,350 S3: earlier on the plane. You know, he's a soap salesman, 1086 00:50:00,350 --> 00:50:03,739 S3: but this is really the iconic, you know, Tyler Durden scene. 1087 00:50:03,739 --> 00:50:06,920 S3: As we touched on earlier, Brad Pitt is there like 1088 00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:11,960 S3: shirtless smoking just looking like this absolute anti-hero. Um, yeah. 1089 00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:13,940 S3: Even rewatching it back now, it's still a scene that 1090 00:50:13,940 --> 00:50:15,740 S3: you have to kind of like pause on. Although I 1091 00:50:15,739 --> 00:50:18,319 S3: would give a special mention to the final scene when like, 1092 00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,360 S3: the world is kind of imploding and the Pixies Where 1093 00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:21,530 S3: Is Your Mind plays? 1094 00:50:21,530 --> 00:50:23,719 S1: Yeah, it's one of my favorite scenes that that needle 1095 00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:24,410 S1: drop is also. 1096 00:50:24,410 --> 00:50:29,569 S2: Surely a beautiful Jared Leto. Having his beautiful face destroyed is. Yeah, yeah, 1097 00:50:29,570 --> 00:50:30,860 S2: that's a standout scene. 1098 00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,020 S1: Um, what holds up the best? Thomas? 1099 00:50:33,410 --> 00:50:35,690 S3: Well, I think we kind of talked about it, but 1100 00:50:35,690 --> 00:50:38,779 S3: the fact that, you know, this is released 25 years ago, um, 1101 00:50:38,780 --> 00:50:41,840 S3: and looking at it through the lens of 2024, the 1102 00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:45,710 S3: fact that Tyler Durden is kind of this figure who 1103 00:50:45,710 --> 00:50:48,380 S3: we're supposed to see, as, you know, a symbol of 1104 00:50:48,380 --> 00:50:50,359 S3: everything that really is wrong with the world, even though 1105 00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,210 S3: he thinks he's the opposite. And I think living in 1106 00:50:53,210 --> 00:50:55,430 S3: this particular time that we live in now with all 1107 00:50:55,430 --> 00:50:57,680 S3: those people that we've just spoken about, the fact that 1108 00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,620 S3: Fincher tapped into, I guess even more so, like, not 1109 00:51:00,620 --> 00:51:03,200 S3: just what was happening, but where we were really headed. Um, 1110 00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,390 S3: I think that's pretty impressive from a guy, you know, 1111 00:51:05,390 --> 00:51:07,370 S3: who managed to see into the future. 1112 00:51:07,370 --> 00:51:11,330 S1: Totally agree. And what? There may be another long list coming. 1113 00:51:11,330 --> 00:51:15,259 S1: What didn't necessarily hold up so well from this film? 1114 00:51:15,590 --> 00:51:18,290 S3: Uh, I mean, look, there are a few things I 1115 00:51:18,290 --> 00:51:22,970 S3: would say that like possibly when I was rewatching it 1116 00:51:22,969 --> 00:51:25,430 S3: and like, you know, Edward Norton was talking about his 1117 00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:28,250 S3: really nice apartment with all the Ikea furniture and, like, 1118 00:51:28,250 --> 00:51:30,739 S3: he's got a boring night, but nice enough job where 1119 00:51:30,739 --> 00:51:33,800 S3: he gets to travel a lot. I'm like, man, living in, 1120 00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,380 S3: you know, 2024, the cost of living crisis, everything going 1121 00:51:36,380 --> 00:51:37,430 S3: on in the world. I'm like this. If this is 1122 00:51:37,430 --> 00:51:40,100 S3: your biggest problem, perhaps it feels a little. 1123 00:51:40,130 --> 00:51:41,060 S15: Bit hollow. 1124 00:51:41,060 --> 00:51:42,890 S3: Right now. Like I'm like, he's like, oh, look at 1125 00:51:42,890 --> 00:51:44,000 S3: all this. Like new shit I've got for my kid. 1126 00:51:44,030 --> 00:51:46,069 S3: I'm like, look, man, that's not too bad. Like, things 1127 00:51:46,070 --> 00:51:48,020 S3: could be worse. And again, maybe it does speak to 1128 00:51:48,020 --> 00:51:51,770 S3: who was really dominating, like the storytelling at that time. 1129 00:51:51,770 --> 00:51:53,930 S3: You know, obviously it was a big, you know, this 1130 00:51:53,930 --> 00:51:57,440 S3: whole kind of like emptiness and malaise that everyone was 1131 00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,049 S3: feeling was a big issue. But like, I think now 1132 00:52:00,050 --> 00:52:01,940 S3: we all are maybe a bit more tapped in. So 1133 00:52:01,940 --> 00:52:03,830 S3: to like watch Edward Norton being like, I'm so sad 1134 00:52:03,830 --> 00:52:05,510 S3: about all this shit I have, it means nothing to me. 1135 00:52:05,510 --> 00:52:07,190 S3: I'm like, well, I wouldn't mind some of that shit. 1136 00:52:07,190 --> 00:52:09,469 S3: So yeah, I felt like that didn't hold up as 1137 00:52:09,469 --> 00:52:11,779 S3: strong for me in terms of the messaging in Fight Club. Yeah, it's. 1138 00:52:11,780 --> 00:52:14,540 S1: Interesting that whole era, it felt like if you were 1139 00:52:14,540 --> 00:52:16,370 S1: a white middle class guy in particular, it's like the 1140 00:52:16,370 --> 00:52:21,380 S1: end of history. American triumphalism is like the theme of 1141 00:52:21,380 --> 00:52:23,870 S1: of global politics. What do you have to worry about? 1142 00:52:23,870 --> 00:52:26,120 S1: You know, the economy is going great. Life's pretty great 1143 00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:29,000 S1: for me. I might just turn my angst inwards. And 1144 00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,490 S1: that's why you ended up with such a focus on 1145 00:52:31,489 --> 00:52:33,830 S1: those sorts of issues. Everyone else was not having such 1146 00:52:33,830 --> 00:52:35,450 S1: a great time, but we didn't let them make movies, 1147 00:52:35,450 --> 00:52:39,350 S1: so it was okay. Um, yeah, exactly. Could Fight Club 1148 00:52:39,380 --> 00:52:41,330 S1: be made in 2024? 1149 00:52:42,230 --> 00:52:44,930 S3: I don't really know. Like, I saw Fincher did an 1150 00:52:44,930 --> 00:52:47,420 S3: interview with The Guardian last year and he said, um, 1151 00:52:47,420 --> 00:52:50,750 S3: you know, he talked about the fact that, weirdly, Tyler 1152 00:52:50,750 --> 00:52:54,140 S3: Durden has been misunderstood and now has, like, seen he's 1153 00:52:54,140 --> 00:52:56,810 S3: seen as a hero to people who who don't understand him. 1154 00:52:56,810 --> 00:52:58,070 S3: And he kind of said, it's impossible for me to 1155 00:52:58,070 --> 00:53:01,520 S3: imagine that people don't understand. Tyler is a negative influence. 1156 00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:03,110 S3: I don't know how to help them. And I think 1157 00:53:03,110 --> 00:53:06,620 S3: that speaks to a general feeling that perhaps like given 1158 00:53:06,620 --> 00:53:09,200 S3: that we are really living in this moment, um, when 1159 00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,950 S3: there are like real people like Tyler Durden out there, um, 1160 00:53:12,950 --> 00:53:15,680 S3: maybe it would be less impactful. I don't know, like 1161 00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:18,710 S3: I personally would probably be very sad if they did 1162 00:53:18,710 --> 00:53:19,910 S3: it reboot. 1163 00:53:19,910 --> 00:53:21,830 S2: I think it could be made. And I think the killer, 1164 00:53:21,830 --> 00:53:23,450 S2: which was the Fincher film, and we talked about it 1165 00:53:23,450 --> 00:53:25,460 S2: on the pod that came out in 2023, is just 1166 00:53:25,460 --> 00:53:32,480 S2: really an updated version of exactly the same themes, you know, masculinity, disassociation, capitalism. 1167 00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,330 S2: I think Fincher still teasing at everything he was doing 1168 00:53:35,330 --> 00:53:37,310 S2: in Fight Club, just in a more modern way now. 1169 00:53:37,310 --> 00:53:37,790 S2: I think most. 1170 00:53:37,790 --> 00:53:40,069 S1: Of his films have have been exploring those same sorts 1171 00:53:40,070 --> 00:53:42,859 S1: of ideas, and I think probably doing them in updated 1172 00:53:42,860 --> 00:53:45,650 S1: and smarter ways that make sense for the for the 1173 00:53:45,650 --> 00:53:50,840 S1: kind of modern era. Okay, I'm up with my first choice. 1174 00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:52,219 S2: Tell me it's not Star Wars. 1175 00:53:53,300 --> 00:53:57,890 S1: Could you imagine? Um, so 25 years before Alexander Payne 1176 00:53:57,890 --> 00:54:01,070 S1: went back to school to make the holdovers, the director 1177 00:54:01,070 --> 00:54:03,380 S1: did it for the first time with a little film 1178 00:54:03,380 --> 00:54:07,549 S1: called election, starring Reese Witherspoon and Matthew Broderick. 1179 00:54:08,030 --> 00:54:11,180 S20: In the nation's capital, a new leader has found a 1180 00:54:11,180 --> 00:54:14,810 S20: place in the halls of power. But her story began. 1181 00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,320 S20: In the halls of high school. 1182 00:54:18,910 --> 00:54:21,520 S21: We'll move on now to the presidential race with three 1183 00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,340 S21: candidates running. The first is Tracy Flick. 1184 00:54:24,340 --> 00:54:26,380 S22: One thing that's important to know about me is that 1185 00:54:26,380 --> 00:54:29,799 S22: I'm an only child. My mom is really devoted to me. 1186 00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,770 S22: She likes to write letters to successful women like Elizabeth 1187 00:54:32,770 --> 00:54:35,380 S22: Dole and Connie Chung and ask them, what advice do 1188 00:54:35,380 --> 00:54:37,720 S22: they have for me? Tracy, her daughter. 1189 00:54:38,170 --> 00:54:43,120 S1: This movie is awesome and completely insane. So Matthew Broderick 1190 00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:46,450 S1: plays a teacher, Mr. McAllister? Uh, he's a teacher at 1191 00:54:46,450 --> 00:54:49,089 S1: a high school in Omaha, Nebraska. They're in the middle 1192 00:54:49,090 --> 00:54:51,339 S1: of an election race to determine who will become the 1193 00:54:51,340 --> 00:54:55,029 S1: student council president. Unfortunately, Mel Kembery was not available. The 1194 00:54:55,030 --> 00:54:58,210 S1: front runner is another goody two shoes and seemingly model 1195 00:54:58,210 --> 00:55:02,650 S1: student Tracy Flick, played by Reese Witherspoon. But after Michaela's 1196 00:55:02,650 --> 00:55:05,980 S1: best friend's life falls apart when he's caught out having 1197 00:55:05,980 --> 00:55:10,410 S1: an affair with his student Tracy. Matthew Broderick's character becomes 1198 00:55:10,410 --> 00:55:13,710 S1: determined to stop her winning at all costs. He drafts 1199 00:55:13,710 --> 00:55:16,860 S1: in the high school jock, played by Chris Klein, to 1200 00:55:16,860 --> 00:55:22,140 S1: run against her. So apparently Alexander Payne passed on directing 1201 00:55:22,140 --> 00:55:24,660 S1: this movie initially because he didn't want to do a 1202 00:55:24,660 --> 00:55:26,880 S1: high school movie, but then he kind of read the 1203 00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:28,920 S1: script properly and was like, oh, this is not a 1204 00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:30,990 S1: high school movie. This is a movie set in a 1205 00:55:30,989 --> 00:55:34,410 S1: high school. But this is like American Beauty meets The 1206 00:55:34,410 --> 00:55:37,950 S1: Ides of March. It is an incredibly dark and cynical 1207 00:55:37,950 --> 00:55:42,060 S1: take on US politics, middle age, modern America. It's very 1208 00:55:42,060 --> 00:55:45,780 S1: funny as well as being pretty confronting. It's probably one 1209 00:55:45,780 --> 00:55:50,549 S1: of Matthew Broderick's last good performances, and alongside Cruel Intentions, 1210 00:55:50,550 --> 00:55:53,640 S1: which also came out the same year, put Reese Witherspoon 1211 00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,730 S1: on the cinema map. This is an awesome film. You 1212 00:55:56,730 --> 00:55:58,950 S1: guys have much of a relationship to election. 1213 00:55:59,130 --> 00:56:01,710 S3: Yeah, I always really liked it growing up. Um, but 1214 00:56:01,710 --> 00:56:03,750 S3: it was weird because, like, it was obviously when I revisited, 1215 00:56:03,750 --> 00:56:05,580 S3: like when I was a bit older and understood it more, 1216 00:56:05,580 --> 00:56:08,460 S3: I was more like into the Cruel Intentions camp of 1217 00:56:08,460 --> 00:56:11,520 S3: Reese Witherspoon films at that time. But yeah, uh, I 1218 00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:15,030 S3: always thought it was really interesting and I guess, like, again, 1219 00:56:15,030 --> 00:56:17,250 S3: you see this young cast that now we have such 1220 00:56:17,250 --> 00:56:19,110 S3: a different context for who they are, but it was 1221 00:56:19,110 --> 00:56:20,400 S3: all kind of there for them. 1222 00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:22,500 S2: Yeah. I haven't gone back and seen it in some time, 1223 00:56:22,500 --> 00:56:25,589 S2: but I reckon it probably would have aged quite well. 1224 00:56:25,590 --> 00:56:28,230 S2: So I'm interested in hearing what you think worked best, 1225 00:56:28,230 --> 00:56:31,529 S2: because I remember the darkness of all the characters, and 1226 00:56:31,530 --> 00:56:33,930 S2: that not a lot of them had redeeming qualities, and 1227 00:56:33,930 --> 00:56:35,609 S2: that was part of the joy of it was their 1228 00:56:35,610 --> 00:56:36,840 S2: kind of soullessness. 1229 00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:38,460 S1: Yeah, I think when the movie opens, the way that 1230 00:56:38,460 --> 00:56:40,320 S1: it sort of shot and the way that it looks, 1231 00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:42,660 S1: it makes you think it's one of these 80s type 1232 00:56:42,660 --> 00:56:45,000 S1: of high school dramas. And it just is not that 1233 00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:48,300 S1: at all. It is very like sexually explicit in a 1234 00:56:48,300 --> 00:56:52,710 S1: quite uncomfortable way, given the ages of of the people involved. 1235 00:56:52,710 --> 00:56:54,419 S1: And I'm going to talk about that a little bit 1236 00:56:54,420 --> 00:56:57,390 S1: later in one of the categories. And it is 100% 1237 00:56:57,390 --> 00:57:00,330 S1: just a movie about how demented the American political system is. 1238 00:57:00,330 --> 00:57:03,450 S1: So I think it's one that really does get better 1239 00:57:03,450 --> 00:57:05,550 S1: with age, particularly as you get older and start to 1240 00:57:05,550 --> 00:57:08,280 S1: realize what they're really trying to do. My favorite scene 1241 00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:11,010 S1: in this movie is towards the end of the film, 1242 00:57:11,010 --> 00:57:14,130 S1: about two thirds of the way in, Matthew Broderick's character 1243 00:57:14,130 --> 00:57:16,710 S1: gets stung by a bee. And so for the final 1244 00:57:16,710 --> 00:57:18,690 S1: like half an hour of the movie, one of his 1245 00:57:18,690 --> 00:57:21,960 S1: eyes is just closed over and he's in constant pain 1246 00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,600 S1: and his life is, like, crumbling around him as he's 1247 00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:27,300 S1: been caught out having an affair. He's in charge of 1248 00:57:27,300 --> 00:57:30,810 S1: counting the ballots, the student election, and he's just watching 1249 00:57:30,810 --> 00:57:33,660 S1: these two kids. He doesn't care anymore. He's over it all. 1250 00:57:33,660 --> 00:57:36,000 S1: And it's just such a funny scene because these two 1251 00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,940 S1: kids are acting their hearts out and they're like, you know, 1252 00:57:38,940 --> 00:57:40,740 S1: we've got to do this by the book. And he's like, 1253 00:57:40,740 --> 00:57:43,020 S1: we're not electing the fucking Pope. Just tell me the results. 1254 00:57:43,020 --> 00:57:46,320 S1: It's like, it's such a funny scene. He looks hilarious 1255 00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:49,290 S1: in it. And when he says that, it's like, yeah, 1256 00:57:49,290 --> 00:57:51,990 S1: the stakes of this are completely meaningless. This is a 1257 00:57:51,990 --> 00:57:55,110 S1: high school election. You're a teacher. Why do you care 1258 00:57:55,110 --> 00:57:56,880 S1: so much? And at that moment, I think the kind 1259 00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,700 S1: of thesis of the film is revealed. It's awesome. 1260 00:57:59,700 --> 00:58:02,370 S3: All right, so what holds up the best from election? 1261 00:58:02,370 --> 00:58:05,700 S1: I think it is the deep cynicism about the political system. 1262 00:58:05,700 --> 00:58:08,310 S1: Everyone is either corrupt or a moron. And this is 1263 00:58:08,310 --> 00:58:11,250 S1: so clearly supposed to be an analogy to the way 1264 00:58:11,250 --> 00:58:15,420 S1: that US presidential elections work. The only vaguely redeemable character 1265 00:58:15,420 --> 00:58:18,930 S1: is Peter, who's Chris Klein, the jocks sister. She runs 1266 00:58:18,930 --> 00:58:22,020 S1: a third party campaign out of spite, and then gets 1267 00:58:22,020 --> 00:58:24,720 S1: herself expelled so she can go to a Catholic all 1268 00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:28,860 S1: girls school and explore her burgeoning queer sexuality. She's like 1269 00:58:28,860 --> 00:58:30,870 S1: the only character that you're like, you're in this for, like, 1270 00:58:30,870 --> 00:58:33,900 S1: vaguely interesting reasons. The rest of these people just totally 1271 00:58:33,900 --> 00:58:37,080 S1: suck the soundtrack. When I rewatch this, there's like a 1272 00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:41,340 S1: morricone like bit to the soundtrack. One of Australia's great bands, 1273 00:58:41,340 --> 00:58:44,400 S1: Taxi Ride, features on the soundtrack. It, like a lot 1274 00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:47,550 S1: of 90s movies sonically like really, really holds up. I 1275 00:58:47,550 --> 00:58:51,960 S1: think what doesn't hold up as well, the very casual 1276 00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:56,070 S1: way that teachers having sex with school kids is discussed 1277 00:58:56,070 --> 00:59:00,090 S1: in the movie, like the characters face some consequences, but 1278 00:59:00,090 --> 00:59:02,010 S1: like half of the characters in this film should be 1279 00:59:02,010 --> 00:59:03,960 S1: like jailed for what is going on. 1280 00:59:04,140 --> 00:59:06,090 S15: There's a lot of that in 1999. 1281 00:59:06,300 --> 00:59:08,970 S1: Yeah, and there's some stuff with Alexander Payne. If you 1282 00:59:08,970 --> 00:59:13,170 S1: look into it, his relationship with, uh, Rose McGowan and 1283 00:59:13,170 --> 00:59:16,290 S1: how old she was and him sort of saying anytime 1284 00:59:16,290 --> 00:59:18,930 S1: someone has to say it was legal in this state 1285 00:59:18,930 --> 00:59:20,670 S1: for us to be in a relationship, you know, that 1286 00:59:20,670 --> 00:59:22,680 S1: things are like are not going well. This is not 1287 00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:24,990 S1: a great era for sexual politics. 1288 00:59:24,990 --> 00:59:27,570 S2: I'd say taking that on board. Do you think it 1289 00:59:27,570 --> 00:59:28,860 S2: would be made today? 1290 00:59:28,860 --> 00:59:31,470 S1: I don't know, I think it's like exactly the kind 1291 00:59:31,470 --> 00:59:34,170 S1: of film we need more of, like the kind of 1292 00:59:34,170 --> 00:59:39,000 S1: mid-budget sort of internal dramedy. I guess The Holdovers was 1293 00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,130 S1: kind of that, and that did pretty well. I would 1294 00:59:41,130 --> 00:59:44,010 S1: love to see like 20 more of these films in 1295 00:59:44,010 --> 00:59:46,140 S1: cinemas all the time, but it just doesn't seem like 1296 00:59:46,140 --> 00:59:48,600 S1: we get them, like we get very like budget versions 1297 00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:51,630 S1: of this on streamers, or we get giant, expensive films. 1298 00:59:51,630 --> 00:59:54,120 S1: But this kind of tier of film just seems to 1299 00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:57,180 S1: have vanished, which is a little bit sad, I think. 1300 00:59:57,830 --> 01:00:00,200 S3: It's funny to note that what Clinton was the president 1301 01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:03,920 S3: in 1999 being impeached. And then here we are. 1302 01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:04,850 S15: Hmm. 1303 01:00:05,630 --> 01:00:07,430 S3: Another 25 years. 1304 01:00:07,430 --> 01:00:10,400 S15: Later. Joy. Joy. More things change. 1305 01:00:10,700 --> 01:00:12,950 S1: The more things change. Um, I've got a fun fact 1306 01:00:12,950 --> 01:00:16,820 S1: for you guys. So Chris Klein, who plays the jock Peter, 1307 01:00:16,940 --> 01:00:19,670 S1: he was a student at one of the schools, being 1308 01:00:19,670 --> 01:00:23,510 S1: scouted as a location when he successfully auditioned for the part, 1309 01:00:23,510 --> 01:00:26,870 S1: which is exactly how Dominic Sessa, who was the lead 1310 01:00:26,870 --> 01:00:30,380 S1: in The Holdovers, got his part as well. So Payne 1311 01:00:30,380 --> 01:00:32,990 S1: knows how to find kids in schools, which now, as 1312 01:00:32,990 --> 01:00:35,060 S1: I say that out loud, is kind of worrying considering 1313 01:00:35,060 --> 01:00:38,660 S1: what we discussed earlier. The other little fun fact about this, 1314 01:00:38,660 --> 01:00:42,020 S1: and Chris Klein said this was Chris Klein's film debut. 1315 01:00:42,050 --> 01:00:45,620 S1: What other 1999 film was Chris Klein in Thomas? 1316 01:00:45,710 --> 01:00:48,020 S3: He was in American Pie. Um. 1317 01:00:48,020 --> 01:00:49,280 S1: And who did he play in American Pie? 1318 01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:52,330 S3: Uh, what's his name? Oz. 1319 01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:53,380 S15: Oh, yeah. 1320 01:00:55,540 --> 01:00:57,550 S3: Yeah, that is weird. It is all. I mean, I 1321 01:00:57,550 --> 01:01:00,280 S3: suppose this is the time to also discuss, uh, his 1322 01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:04,180 S3: co-star in American Pie, Mena Suvari, who was also in 1323 01:01:04,180 --> 01:01:04,990 S3: American Beauty. 1324 01:01:04,990 --> 01:01:06,910 S1: Well, we've talked about a few of these. I actually 1325 01:01:06,910 --> 01:01:08,740 S1: started writing a list as I was doing some research. 1326 01:01:08,740 --> 01:01:11,560 S1: So we mentioned Reese Witherspoon and Cruel Intentions and Election, 1327 01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:14,170 S1: Chris Klein and this and American Pie. You mentioned Mena Suvari, 1328 01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:17,230 S1: Heath ledger in those two movies, Tom Cruise in Magnolia 1329 01:01:17,230 --> 01:01:20,410 S1: and Eyes Wide Shut, Philip Seymour Hoffman in Magnolia and 1330 01:01:20,410 --> 01:01:23,290 S1: The Talented Mr. Ripley, Tim Allen in Galaxy Quest and 1331 01:01:23,290 --> 01:01:26,290 S1: Toy Story two. What a fucking year. What was going on? 1332 01:01:26,470 --> 01:01:29,169 S3: Yeah, and you know what's actually really weird? This. I mean, 1333 01:01:29,170 --> 01:01:30,850 S3: I'm going to lift some trivia from one of my 1334 01:01:30,850 --> 01:01:36,040 S3: later entries, the fact that there was a conversation between 1335 01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:38,530 S3: the studios because Mena was in both American Pie and 1336 01:01:38,530 --> 01:01:43,600 S3: American Beauty. Originally American Pie was titled First Piece. 1337 01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:44,230 S15: Wow. 1338 01:01:44,230 --> 01:01:47,290 S3: But they changed the name to tap into Wow. 1339 01:01:47,290 --> 01:01:50,560 S15: The whole America thing going on. Yes, that is so fascinating. 1340 01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:51,400 S15: I know, fucking. 1341 01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:52,510 S3: Fun fact the shit out of it. 1342 01:01:52,510 --> 01:01:55,420 S2: So I'm so glad you bump that up. 1343 01:01:55,420 --> 01:01:56,290 S15: Yeah, I know, me too. 1344 01:01:56,290 --> 01:01:58,600 S3: Great call right in the moment too. But yeah. So 1345 01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:01,360 S3: that basically explains the origins of American Pie. I imagine 1346 01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:04,060 S3: it'd been called first piece. We wouldn't have probably had 1347 01:02:04,060 --> 01:02:05,710 S3: all the other ones that we didn't need. Yeah, good 1348 01:02:05,710 --> 01:02:06,130 S3: pun though. 1349 01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:06,790 S1: I guess. 1350 01:02:06,790 --> 01:02:08,830 S3: It is. It is a good pun. Uh, I guess 1351 01:02:08,890 --> 01:02:11,230 S3: just one other thing I wanted to add. Um, years ago, 1352 01:02:11,230 --> 01:02:12,940 S3: when I was a young, up and coming journalist, I 1353 01:02:12,940 --> 01:02:16,780 S3: went to the junket for American Pie reunion or American Reunion, uh, 1354 01:02:16,780 --> 01:02:19,120 S3: I think possibly the last one in the franchise. All 1355 01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:21,490 S3: the stars were there. I was obviously desperate to talk 1356 01:02:21,490 --> 01:02:24,340 S3: to either Mena Suvari or Tara Reid. I fucking got 1357 01:02:24,340 --> 01:02:30,070 S3: Chris Klein. I know, and like, I think everyone was 1358 01:02:30,070 --> 01:02:31,780 S3: sitting in the little holding room where they keep journalists 1359 01:02:31,780 --> 01:02:34,060 S3: and because we hadn't been told, which is like, weird. 1360 01:02:34,180 --> 01:02:37,060 S3: You're given someone on the day. Yeah. And everyone was like, oh, well, 1361 01:02:37,060 --> 01:02:38,950 S3: I obviously don't want Chris Klein. Hopefully he's not listening 1362 01:02:38,980 --> 01:02:40,570 S3: to this pod. No disrespect to Chris Klein, I'd love 1363 01:02:40,570 --> 01:02:42,070 S3: to talk to him now, but at the time I 1364 01:02:42,070 --> 01:02:44,350 S3: was like, oh, anyway, lo and behold, I walk in 1365 01:02:44,350 --> 01:02:49,240 S3: and there's Oz, the Oz maester, lacrosse stick in the air. Um, yeah. 1366 01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:50,770 S3: So I just asked him like ten questions I'd written 1367 01:02:50,770 --> 01:02:52,090 S3: for Mena Suvari. Great. 1368 01:02:52,090 --> 01:02:53,800 S2: I think you got exactly what you deserved. 1369 01:02:53,860 --> 01:02:54,400 S15: Um, and that is. 1370 01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:57,820 S1: Not the last time media junkets will be discussed. 1371 01:02:58,060 --> 01:02:59,080 S15: On this podcast. 1372 01:02:59,170 --> 01:03:01,870 S1: It's a bit of a clue for a movie coming up. Um, 1373 01:03:01,870 --> 01:03:03,370 S1: all right, we probably need to be a little bit 1374 01:03:03,370 --> 01:03:05,980 S1: quicker with these others, even though I'm actually loving this, 1375 01:03:05,980 --> 01:03:07,780 S1: but I just feel like we need to probably move 1376 01:03:07,780 --> 01:03:11,230 S1: a little bit quicker. All right. Time for your second pick, 1377 01:03:11,230 --> 01:03:12,040 S1: Mel Kambouris. 1378 01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:18,550 S2: Okay, this is The Virgin Suicides, Sofia Coppola's first feature debut, 1379 01:03:18,580 --> 01:03:19,990 S2: the OG Sad Girls. 1380 01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:25,370 S13: So much has been said about the girls over the years. 1381 01:03:25,370 --> 01:03:27,500 S23: Those girls have a bright future ahead of them, but 1382 01:03:27,500 --> 01:03:28,100 S23: we have never. 1383 01:03:28,100 --> 01:03:30,920 S5: Found an answer. Her act was a cry for help. 1384 01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:32,630 S5: I heard there was an accident. 1385 01:03:32,780 --> 01:03:33,620 S13: Even then, as teens. 1386 01:03:34,030 --> 01:03:37,510 S14: As we tried to put the pieces together. We still can't. 1387 01:03:37,630 --> 01:03:39,220 S13: Get a full tank of gas. We'll take you anywhere 1388 01:03:39,220 --> 01:03:39,400 S13: you want. 1389 01:03:40,210 --> 01:03:43,030 S24: That time. We've been waiting for you guys. 1390 01:03:44,470 --> 01:03:47,890 S2: Based on the novel by Jeffrey Eugenides, Five Teen Sisters 1391 01:03:47,890 --> 01:03:52,630 S2: in Detroit in 1967 are. Kirsten Dunst is probably the 1392 01:03:52,630 --> 01:03:57,430 S2: biggest star of the film. Plays Lux. This very cool, cold, callous, 1393 01:03:57,430 --> 01:04:01,780 S2: sexy older sister, and Josh Hartnett plays the heartthrob. Two 1394 01:04:01,780 --> 01:04:03,730 S2: of the big names that came out of it. A 1395 01:04:03,730 --> 01:04:06,160 S2: group of men are reflecting on their memories of the 1396 01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:10,570 S2: Lisbon sisters, the five of them who all killed themselves, 1397 01:04:10,570 --> 01:04:15,040 S2: which is the part of this film that we probably 1398 01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:18,040 S2: need to discuss a bit. But why don't I tell 1399 01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:18,940 S2: you what's good? 1400 01:04:19,510 --> 01:04:21,490 S3: I mean, yeah, this will be the breakfast. So. Yeah. 1401 01:04:21,670 --> 01:04:24,430 S2: Look, I think it's depicting of adolescence is very good. 1402 01:04:24,430 --> 01:04:27,760 S2: There's a lot of love, nervousness, awkwardness, the kind of 1403 01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:31,450 S2: mystery of that time Sofia Coppola does very well. It's 1404 01:04:31,450 --> 01:04:34,180 S2: got a lot of the kind of interest in suburbia, 1405 01:04:34,180 --> 01:04:35,890 S2: which we're seeing in a lot of these films, and 1406 01:04:35,890 --> 01:04:40,090 S2: the kind of darkness behind the picture perfect frame. And also, 1407 01:04:40,090 --> 01:04:41,890 S2: I really like it because it is a marker of 1408 01:04:41,890 --> 01:04:44,710 S2: where Coppola goes in her future, her interest in womanhood, 1409 01:04:44,740 --> 01:04:48,130 S2: her style. Something like The Beguiled is very clearly in 1410 01:04:48,130 --> 01:04:51,430 S2: conversation with the Virgin Suicide. So even just as an 1411 01:04:51,430 --> 01:04:55,900 S2: example of Coppola's development as a director, it's really useful. 1412 01:04:56,440 --> 01:05:01,360 S2: What doesn't work? The suicides are a are a lot. 1413 01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:02,050 S15: And that's a bit a pretty. 1414 01:05:02,050 --> 01:05:04,480 S3: Dark editor's letter in Cubby Cove after your first. 1415 01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:04,870 S15: Watch. 1416 01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:10,060 S2: Yeah, the there is a kind of suicidal ideation, I think, 1417 01:05:10,060 --> 01:05:12,100 S2: going on in this film and things like one of 1418 01:05:12,100 --> 01:05:16,180 S2: the sisters falling on a garden pike. I just can't 1419 01:05:16,180 --> 01:05:19,810 S2: imagine that shot being made today. There is this kind 1420 01:05:19,810 --> 01:05:24,820 S2: of idealization of them. They're they're five blonde white sisters 1421 01:05:24,820 --> 01:05:29,200 S2: all wearing these long white gowns. And there's this weird 1422 01:05:29,230 --> 01:05:32,710 S2: tone which is part coming of age, part tragedy that 1423 01:05:32,710 --> 01:05:36,250 S2: is very unusual to watch back now, Wolf. 1424 01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:39,220 S1: Yeah, I this is like tricky because I don't when 1425 01:05:39,220 --> 01:05:41,500 S1: I think about this movie, I don't think of necessarily 1426 01:05:41,500 --> 01:05:45,850 S1: like a standout, like super fun or, you know, beautifully 1427 01:05:45,850 --> 01:05:49,240 S1: shot scene. But what is your favorite scene from this film? 1428 01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:49,600 S1: One of the. 1429 01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:53,680 S2: Best scenes is when Coppola is reveling in adolescence, and 1430 01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:55,750 S2: it's when the group of girls and the group of 1431 01:05:55,750 --> 01:05:58,240 S2: guys are talking to each other via the phone, and 1432 01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:01,660 S2: they're playing songs to each other. And it's it's really beautiful, 1433 01:06:01,660 --> 01:06:05,200 S2: sweet scene where they each play a record to each other, 1434 01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:07,660 S2: and they sit there over hours and the screen is cut. 1435 01:06:07,660 --> 01:06:10,600 S2: So you're moving between the two of them. It is 1436 01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:13,930 S2: a moment that captures the kind of wonder of adolescence 1437 01:06:13,930 --> 01:06:17,590 S2: and the discovery of it. So it's quite a good scene. 1438 01:06:17,590 --> 01:06:20,020 S2: That is the film kind of when it's at its best. 1439 01:06:20,020 --> 01:06:22,480 S1: And you kind of ran us through what you thought 1440 01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:25,510 S1: worked best and held up best and what didn't. So 1441 01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:27,850 S1: what do you think about whether this movie could or 1442 01:06:27,850 --> 01:06:29,320 S1: would be made today? 1443 01:06:29,620 --> 01:06:32,800 S2: Well, it has been rereleased with a trigger warning. Given 1444 01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:35,950 S2: the content, would it be made today? I don't are. 1445 01:06:35,950 --> 01:06:36,640 S1: We all laughed at that? 1446 01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:39,640 S15: Aren't trigger warnings suicide? No, I. 1447 01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:43,660 S2: Would it get made today? I don't think so. And 1448 01:06:43,660 --> 01:06:46,660 S2: I'm not obviously laughing about the suicide. It's just it 1449 01:06:46,660 --> 01:06:50,500 S2: is a very curious film. And no, I don't think 1450 01:06:50,500 --> 01:06:54,580 S2: it would be made today because also the point the suicides, 1451 01:06:54,580 --> 01:06:56,890 S2: I don't know, it's kind of unclear what point they're 1452 01:06:56,890 --> 01:06:59,890 S2: making in the film. So I don't think this film 1453 01:06:59,890 --> 01:07:02,320 S2: would get made today. Um, or if it did, it 1454 01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:04,810 S2: would be obviously a very different film. I had a 1455 01:07:04,810 --> 01:07:06,190 S2: fun fact, but now I'm going to make it a 1456 01:07:06,190 --> 01:07:07,600 S2: quiz because, you know, are. 1457 01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:08,350 S3: You because you're. 1458 01:07:08,470 --> 01:07:11,770 S2: Yeah, we like a quiz. Okay. Sofia Coppola offered an 1459 01:07:11,770 --> 01:07:14,350 S2: actress a role in the film. The actress considered it, 1460 01:07:14,350 --> 01:07:16,540 S2: but she thought it was too intense and she turned 1461 01:07:16,540 --> 01:07:20,710 S2: it down. And she since starred in a Coppola film. Who? 1462 01:07:21,220 --> 01:07:23,530 S2: I mean, it's a big question. What female actress do 1463 01:07:23,530 --> 01:07:24,190 S2: you think is. 1464 01:07:24,670 --> 01:07:25,240 S15: Worse on some. 1465 01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:27,850 S1: Of those windy, good week end quiz questions? The ones 1466 01:07:27,850 --> 01:07:30,280 S1: that are like, name a thing and then work backwards 1467 01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:31,780 S1: to just, can you just tell us who this person is? 1468 01:07:31,780 --> 01:07:36,190 S2: I didn't know it was so belabored. It was Scarlett Johansson, um. 1469 01:07:36,490 --> 01:07:37,690 S1: When I was at school. I don't know if you 1470 01:07:37,690 --> 01:07:40,180 S1: guys experienced this. There was a whole bit of discourse that, like, 1471 01:07:40,180 --> 01:07:42,910 S1: this was based on a true story, and people were like, oh, 1472 01:07:42,910 --> 01:07:45,580 S1: did you hear about those girls up the road that 1473 01:07:45,580 --> 01:07:48,460 S1: all killed themselves? I'm like, what? That's crazy. It's not right. 1474 01:07:48,460 --> 01:07:51,400 S1: Like Eugen Eugenides just wrote a fictional story. 1475 01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:53,830 S2: I don't know, as discussed on the Baby Reindeer episode, 1476 01:07:53,830 --> 01:07:56,230 S2: I do not do the fact v fiction, but no, 1477 01:07:56,230 --> 01:07:58,960 S2: it is a it is just a fictional novel. 1478 01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:02,500 S1: Um, okay. Thank you for that, Mel. Great choice. Great couple. 1479 01:08:02,500 --> 01:08:03,370 S1: Maybe my favorite. 1480 01:08:04,150 --> 01:08:04,900 S15: Really? Yeah. 1481 01:08:04,900 --> 01:08:06,610 S2: Be cool. What about Lost in Translation? 1482 01:08:06,610 --> 01:08:08,890 S1: I think we did this conversation, didn't we? When Priscilla 1483 01:08:08,890 --> 01:08:11,020 S1: came out. I can't remember what I said, but but 1484 01:08:11,020 --> 01:08:14,260 S1: when I was rewatching 99 movies and I rewatched this, 1485 01:08:14,260 --> 01:08:18,410 S1: I was like, this is fucking awesome. Thomas, what have 1486 01:08:18,410 --> 01:08:19,790 S1: you got for your second choice? 1487 01:08:19,910 --> 01:08:24,530 S3: Uh, look, 1999 was a big year for sex bets. 1488 01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:26,089 S2: Bets or pests? 1489 01:08:26,090 --> 01:08:27,650 S15: Bets, bets and pests. 1490 01:08:27,650 --> 01:08:28,910 S3: But sex bets. 1491 01:08:28,910 --> 01:08:29,630 S15: In sex bet. 1492 01:08:29,630 --> 01:08:32,540 S3: Well, okay, we've all seen She's All That, right, which 1493 01:08:32,540 --> 01:08:36,440 S3: is essentially a film about how wearing overalls makes you ugly. 1494 01:08:36,650 --> 01:08:39,530 S3: And Freddie Prinze Jr basically bets his friends that he 1495 01:08:39,530 --> 01:08:42,410 S3: can turn the ugly girl into a prom queen. And, 1496 01:08:42,410 --> 01:08:45,050 S3: you know, that's a bit weird, but I will bench 1497 01:08:45,050 --> 01:08:46,850 S3: that as much as it's a great film and present 1498 01:08:46,850 --> 01:08:51,470 S3: to you perhaps the most, uh, toxic but sexy film 1499 01:08:51,470 --> 01:08:53,540 S3: of the 90s. Ladies and gentlemen. It is, of course, 1500 01:08:53,540 --> 01:08:55,790 S3: Cruel Intentions. You know. 1501 01:08:55,790 --> 01:08:59,030 S25: You could be a model. It's too bad you're not sexy. 1502 01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:02,439 S26: I can be sexy. 1503 01:09:03,130 --> 01:09:05,410 S27: You know what would be super duper sexy? 1504 01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:08,320 S25: If you lost all the clothes. Huh? 1505 01:09:08,890 --> 01:09:09,880 S3: What a film. 1506 01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:10,300 S15: What a what? 1507 01:09:10,300 --> 01:09:12,160 S1: A build up to the reveal. 1508 01:09:12,220 --> 01:09:12,550 S15: Mhm. 1509 01:09:12,550 --> 01:09:15,250 S3: Yeah. Well, I mean, it's worth it. It's worth the wait, 1510 01:09:15,250 --> 01:09:17,950 S3: which is something we learn about a lot in this film. Um, 1511 01:09:17,950 --> 01:09:22,300 S3: we speak about Reese Witherspoon. She plays the headmaster's daughter Annette. 1512 01:09:22,300 --> 01:09:25,210 S3: And then basically we meet these toxic stepsiblings. Uh, Mel, 1513 01:09:25,210 --> 01:09:27,370 S3: this is based on a famous French novel. I can't 1514 01:09:27,370 --> 01:09:29,500 S3: remember what it is, but you probably know, of. 1515 01:09:29,500 --> 01:09:30,910 S2: Course, dangerous liaisons. 1516 01:09:30,910 --> 01:09:33,250 S3: Basically, we have Sarah Michelle Gellar, who, of course, was, like, 1517 01:09:33,250 --> 01:09:36,849 S3: very hot property in the 90s, uh, playing Catherine and Sebastian, 1518 01:09:36,850 --> 01:09:39,910 S3: her stepbrother, played by Ryan Phillippe, who was very also 1519 01:09:39,910 --> 01:09:42,730 S3: hot property in the 90s, which ended in like 1999. 1520 01:09:42,729 --> 01:09:45,670 S3: And then and then he became Reese Witherspoon's husband and 1521 01:09:45,670 --> 01:09:48,759 S3: then ex-husband anyway. But they play these kind of like, 1522 01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:52,090 S3: weird Upper East Side toxic stepsiblings. This is well before 1523 01:09:52,090 --> 01:09:54,370 S3: the days of, you know, um, Gossip Girl and stuff 1524 01:09:54,370 --> 01:09:57,460 S3: like that. They're manipulative step siblings who, you know, have 1525 01:09:57,460 --> 01:09:59,890 S3: very kind of like, strange relationship. This was really the 1526 01:09:59,890 --> 01:10:03,490 S3: first film that showed us that incest was possibly going 1527 01:10:03,490 --> 01:10:07,000 S3: to be a popular topic of discussion. Um, but basically 1528 01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:08,950 S3: you have like so much going on in this film. 1529 01:10:08,950 --> 01:10:11,620 S3: Sebastian is like a bad boy. He has really cool 1530 01:10:11,620 --> 01:10:16,090 S3: sunglasses and drives and drives a nice Jaguar. He, he 1531 01:10:16,090 --> 01:10:16,660 S3: wants to. 1532 01:10:16,689 --> 01:10:17,260 S15: He wants. 1533 01:10:17,260 --> 01:10:17,890 S2: Character. 1534 01:10:17,890 --> 01:10:19,090 S15: Description. 1535 01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:21,850 S3: And that kind of sums him up. He wants to 1536 01:10:21,850 --> 01:10:23,980 S3: bed Annette, who is played by Reese Witherspoon. She's a 1537 01:10:23,979 --> 01:10:27,580 S3: kind of virginal daughter of the headmaster. Annette doesn't want to, like, 1538 01:10:27,580 --> 01:10:30,849 S3: have sex until she's married. So basically, Catherine makes a 1539 01:10:30,850 --> 01:10:33,280 S3: bet with Sebastian that he will not be able to 1540 01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:35,560 S3: have sex with her if Catherine wins. She gets his 1541 01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:39,639 S3: vintage 1959 Jaguar Roadster. If Sebastian wins, he gets to 1542 01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:43,150 S3: have sex with his stepsister Catherine, played by Sarah Michelle Gellar. 1543 01:10:43,270 --> 01:10:46,540 S3: Also in plays is Cecile, played by Selma Blair. Uh, 1544 01:10:46,540 --> 01:10:49,780 S3: she's kind of like a naive new girl at school. Um, however, 1545 01:10:49,780 --> 01:10:52,510 S3: she falls in with Catherine, who kind of, like, takes 1546 01:10:52,510 --> 01:10:55,780 S3: her under her wing as Cecile tries to bed her 1547 01:10:55,780 --> 01:10:59,530 S3: own piano teacher. But actually, Catherine's intentions are nefarious because 1548 01:10:59,530 --> 01:11:02,950 S3: she wants to ruin Cecile's life because Cecile stole her boyfriend. 1549 01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:05,200 S1: You say the intentions are cruel here. 1550 01:11:05,229 --> 01:11:08,950 S3: The intentions are cruel, but they're also so, so sexy. Uh, 1551 01:11:08,950 --> 01:11:12,460 S3: it is a strange film. Uh, rewatching it, you can 1552 01:11:12,460 --> 01:11:14,229 S3: see why people are like, oh my God. But that 1553 01:11:14,229 --> 01:11:15,910 S3: being said, they did make a second. And of course, 1554 01:11:15,910 --> 01:11:18,880 S3: Cruel Intentions has now been a stage show. Uh, it 1555 01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:21,970 S3: is kind of the quintessential 90s film in so many ways. Uh, 1556 01:11:21,970 --> 01:11:24,730 S3: it was edgy. It was sexy. It was messed up. 1557 01:11:24,729 --> 01:11:27,700 S3: It is very problematic in the cold light of 2024. 1558 01:11:27,700 --> 01:11:29,830 S3: But yeah, Cruel Intentions deserves a spot on this list, 1559 01:11:29,830 --> 01:11:30,520 S3: I would say. 1560 01:11:31,210 --> 01:11:34,330 S1: Yeah, it's so interesting because it was not very critically 1561 01:11:34,330 --> 01:11:36,040 S1: acclaimed at the time, but I think for people of 1562 01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:39,250 S1: our generation, it just became like one of these really 1563 01:11:39,250 --> 01:11:41,770 S1: iconic movies. You saw people your age at school living 1564 01:11:41,770 --> 01:11:45,850 S1: these flashy New York lives with drugs and fancy cars, 1565 01:11:45,850 --> 01:11:47,710 S1: and it seemed like they weren't really at school. They 1566 01:11:47,710 --> 01:11:50,290 S1: were kind of adults at the age of school kids. 1567 01:11:50,290 --> 01:11:54,820 S1: It was kind of weirdly like inspirational in like a 1568 01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:58,210 S1: sort of fucked up way. Um, yeah, a really good choice. 1569 01:11:58,210 --> 01:11:58,600 S15: Yeah. 1570 01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:00,250 S3: And I think, I mean, there's no denying that when 1571 01:12:00,250 --> 01:12:02,410 S3: you're at that age or like, if you're a young person. 1572 01:12:02,410 --> 01:12:04,660 S1: I should say aspirational rather than inspirational. 1573 01:12:04,990 --> 01:12:05,740 S15: Yeah. 1574 01:12:05,740 --> 01:12:06,429 S2: I did wonder. 1575 01:12:06,970 --> 01:12:07,420 S15: When you're. 1576 01:12:07,420 --> 01:12:09,880 S3: At that age, uh, like when sex is still so 1577 01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:12,160 S3: taboo and yet, you know, often people think about it 1578 01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:14,950 S3: a lot. Uh, and a movie comes out like this, 1579 01:12:14,950 --> 01:12:17,140 S3: which just, like, puts it so front and center and 1580 01:12:17,140 --> 01:12:19,269 S3: not even just like sex as a concept, but the 1581 01:12:19,270 --> 01:12:21,400 S3: really kind of fringe areas of sex that you don't 1582 01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:24,580 S3: normally see in movies, uh, it is like inevitably going 1583 01:12:24,580 --> 01:12:26,050 S3: to become something that people talk about. 1584 01:12:26,050 --> 01:12:28,630 S2: And oh my gosh, the fashion in this is so incredible. 1585 01:12:28,630 --> 01:12:30,250 S2: And I do think you see the direct influence on 1586 01:12:30,250 --> 01:12:34,360 S2: this film on things like O.C., Gossip Girl, even more recently, 1587 01:12:34,390 --> 01:12:37,809 S2: do Revenge. I think it has inspired more than we 1588 01:12:37,810 --> 01:12:39,250 S2: maybe give it credit for. Yeah, the. 1589 01:12:39,250 --> 01:12:41,560 S1: OC coming out like three years after this film. I 1590 01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:45,580 S1: think it's like it sort of changed what teen dramas 1591 01:12:45,580 --> 01:12:48,970 S1: could be and how explicit they could be. Thomas. What? 1592 01:12:50,620 --> 01:12:50,890 S15: Come on. 1593 01:12:51,970 --> 01:12:53,320 S3: Say it so I can say my bit. 1594 01:12:53,350 --> 01:12:56,380 S1: What is your favorite scene from Cruel Intentions? 1595 01:12:56,710 --> 01:12:58,900 S3: Uh, I mean, this is obviously a no brainer for 1596 01:12:58,900 --> 01:13:01,030 S3: anyone who was stressed about learning to kiss in the 1597 01:13:01,030 --> 01:13:05,200 S3: late 90s and early noughties have like, are there five 1598 01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:06,969 S3: words that had a more of a stranglehold on me 1599 01:13:06,970 --> 01:13:10,540 S3: than massaged my tongue with yours? Uh, obviously the scene 1600 01:13:10,540 --> 01:13:13,660 S3: between Selma Blair and Sarah Michelle Gellar where she, uh, 1601 01:13:13,660 --> 01:13:17,110 S3: Sarah Michelle Gellar teaches Selma Blair to kiss is iconic. 1602 01:13:17,110 --> 01:13:19,210 S3: Not just in my own teenage mind. 1603 01:13:19,210 --> 01:13:21,250 S2: Don't look at me as you're saying this. 1604 01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:25,150 S3: Mel is silently judging me. Um, it's I mean, the 1605 01:13:25,150 --> 01:13:27,880 S3: scene is hilarious. They basically are sitting in a park. Uh, 1606 01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:30,370 S3: it's funny, I read Sarah Michelle Gellar saying, like, it's, 1607 01:13:30,370 --> 01:13:32,290 S3: you know, it's one of her favorite scenes, and they 1608 01:13:32,290 --> 01:13:35,200 S3: often recreated it like MTV Movie Awards and stuff. But like, 1609 01:13:35,410 --> 01:13:37,660 S3: there were 300 people on set that day watching this 1610 01:13:37,660 --> 01:13:40,660 S3: play out. Um, but basically, she teaches Selma Blair how 1611 01:13:40,660 --> 01:13:43,240 S3: to kiss. She says, let's try it again. Only this 1612 01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:45,700 S3: time stick your tongue in my mouth, massage my tongue 1613 01:13:45,700 --> 01:13:48,160 S3: with yours. And then the thing that's so interesting about 1614 01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:50,320 S3: this scene, you know, obviously it existed for shock value, 1615 01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:53,350 S3: but it like the way they actually do linger on 1616 01:13:53,350 --> 01:13:55,840 S3: the two of them having this quite deep, passionate kiss. 1617 01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:57,759 S3: Like it even goes so far as to have like 1618 01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:02,110 S3: a single strand of saliva that connects them until it breaks. Uh, 1619 01:14:02,110 --> 01:14:04,299 S3: it was, you know, it really summed up the film 1620 01:14:04,300 --> 01:14:06,549 S3: in that it was designed to shock, uh, it was 1621 01:14:06,550 --> 01:14:08,800 S3: designed for people to, you know, walk out of the theater. 1622 01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:11,650 S3: And that's exactly what happened. It's become this kind of like, 1623 01:14:11,650 --> 01:14:14,380 S3: you know, part of the iconography of the film. But weirdly, 1624 01:14:14,380 --> 01:14:16,450 S3: even though it's easy for you both to be like, Thomas, 1625 01:14:16,450 --> 01:14:19,900 S3: you're so gross and horny. Hahaha. Which is true, but 1626 01:14:19,900 --> 01:14:22,630 S3: like the if you go and look at like, kind 1627 01:14:22,630 --> 01:14:24,520 S3: of like the discourse around this film, lots of people 1628 01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:26,560 S3: have been like, oh, that was actually kind of important 1629 01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:28,389 S3: for me as like a young queer person, to see 1630 01:14:28,390 --> 01:14:30,820 S3: these two women on screen, like they weren't doing it 1631 01:14:30,820 --> 01:14:33,160 S3: because they were exploring each other, but they were, you know, 1632 01:14:33,160 --> 01:14:35,170 S3: it was still representation at a time when there wasn't 1633 01:14:35,170 --> 01:14:36,280 S3: a great deal of that. Yeah. 1634 01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:38,590 S1: Yeah, I think that that's when people talk about representation 1635 01:14:38,590 --> 01:14:41,410 S1: of queer characters. That's exactly what they're talking about. 1636 01:14:41,530 --> 01:14:43,030 S15: No, I'm not saying that's I'm. 1637 01:14:43,030 --> 01:14:44,979 S3: Just saying there are lots of people who said that. 1638 01:14:44,979 --> 01:14:47,470 S3: Like in terms of what holds, don't sit here. 1639 01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:50,500 S15: Done enough, my friend. Yeah. Um, no. 1640 01:14:50,500 --> 01:14:53,320 S1: You're a look, this is, uh, everyone's allowed to pick 1641 01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:56,350 S1: their favorite scenes. It is obviously the most iconic scene 1642 01:14:56,350 --> 01:14:58,360 S1: from that film. It's not a crazy thing for him 1643 01:14:58,360 --> 01:14:59,410 S1: to say, Mel. 1644 01:14:59,410 --> 01:15:01,360 S2: No, I just don't want you to say massage my 1645 01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:02,019 S2: tongue again. 1646 01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:03,160 S15: Wait. So. 1647 01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:05,019 S3: Okay, Mel, you obviously hate this scene. 1648 01:15:05,020 --> 01:15:06,639 S15: Then I don't hate this scene. 1649 01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:08,650 S2: I can see how you could argue it in all 1650 01:15:08,650 --> 01:15:11,679 S2: different ways. Am I am I surprised it's your favorite scene? 1651 01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:14,469 S15: I'm not well, but, I mean, I haven't seen. 1652 01:15:14,470 --> 01:15:15,129 S2: It in ages. 1653 01:15:15,130 --> 01:15:17,500 S3: You couldn't choose a different scene from this movie, to 1654 01:15:17,500 --> 01:15:17,950 S3: be honest. 1655 01:15:17,950 --> 01:15:19,870 S1: We have so many more films to talk about. I 1656 01:15:19,870 --> 01:15:22,300 S1: don't think we can get bogged down into this scene more. 1657 01:15:23,470 --> 01:15:24,130 S15: Thomas, why. 1658 01:15:24,130 --> 01:15:27,070 S2: Don't you tell us whether sex bits stand up today? 1659 01:15:27,070 --> 01:15:28,750 S3: No, no, no. So you've actually kind of touched on 1660 01:15:28,750 --> 01:15:29,920 S3: what holds up the best from this film. And it 1661 01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:33,340 S3: actually is the fashion. Uh, these guys look amazing. You know, 1662 01:15:33,550 --> 01:15:36,160 S3: you've got Selma Blair kind of like, in her J.Crew 1663 01:15:36,189 --> 01:15:39,790 S3: cardigan very of the time, very preppy. Ryan Phillippe actually 1664 01:15:39,790 --> 01:15:41,950 S3: had a connection at Prada. So despite the fact that 1665 01:15:41,950 --> 01:15:45,130 S3: this film, you know, celebrated these rich kids, apparently they 1666 01:15:45,130 --> 01:15:47,620 S3: didn't really have much budget, especially when it came to Wardrobing. 1667 01:15:47,620 --> 01:15:49,210 S3: He had a connection at Prada because he was still, 1668 01:15:49,210 --> 01:15:51,670 S3: like famous then. And so they decked out his character. 1669 01:15:51,670 --> 01:15:54,070 S3: He's got the kind of like sleek 90s glasses. He 1670 01:15:54,070 --> 01:15:56,530 S3: wears a lot of turtlenecks. And of course, you know, 1671 01:15:56,530 --> 01:15:59,800 S3: his slick car. So the film like is, you know, 1672 01:16:00,189 --> 01:16:02,200 S3: in terms of what holds up the worst, we can 1673 01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:03,820 S3: spend an hour on that. But in terms of what 1674 01:16:03,820 --> 01:16:06,250 S3: holds up the best, it still looks pretty cool. Um, 1675 01:16:06,250 --> 01:16:08,740 S3: and the way they dress and stuff is all like, yeah, 1676 01:16:08,740 --> 01:16:11,980 S3: quite aspirational. What holds up the worst? I mean, again, 1677 01:16:11,979 --> 01:16:14,920 S3: where to really begin with this film? Essentially, at the 1678 01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:18,250 S3: crux of it, you've got like a stepbrother who is 1679 01:16:18,250 --> 01:16:20,890 S3: like trying to sleep with a virgin so that then 1680 01:16:20,890 --> 01:16:23,410 S3: he can have anal sex with his sister. That's essentially 1681 01:16:23,410 --> 01:16:28,540 S3: what the film is about. Um, it is like, just problematic. 1682 01:16:28,540 --> 01:16:30,760 S1: So what holds up the worst is the entire concept. 1683 01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:35,799 S15: Over the film, correct? Yes, correct. Uh, which brings me to, 1684 01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:36,310 S15: of course. 1685 01:16:36,310 --> 01:16:39,610 S3: Could this be released in 2024? Uh, not a chance. Yeah. 1686 01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:43,120 S1: All right. That probably I'm loath to say this. Maybe 1687 01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:48,700 S1: the wildest, uh, conversation will have. Um, my second film. 1688 01:16:48,700 --> 01:16:51,670 S1: We had to do it, The Talented Mr. Ripley. 1689 01:16:53,990 --> 01:16:58,280 S28: Dickie Greenleaf, it's tom. Tom Ripley. Tom Ripley. We were 1690 01:16:58,280 --> 01:16:59,269 S28: at Princeton together. 1691 01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:01,760 S29: Did we know each other? Sorry. What is it, Ripley? 1692 01:17:02,060 --> 01:17:02,990 S30: How do you do? 1693 01:17:04,100 --> 01:17:05,450 S5: It would just be for a little while. 1694 01:17:05,660 --> 01:17:06,740 S30: No, I like him. 1695 01:17:06,770 --> 01:17:08,930 S31: Marge, you like everybody, Marge. 1696 01:17:09,740 --> 01:17:11,059 S28: You like everybody? 1697 01:17:12,030 --> 01:17:13,650 S32: You stay at Dickie's house. 1698 01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:16,320 S1: It's kind of become the theme of the year for 1699 01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:18,780 S1: this podcast. We discussed it first when we were talking 1700 01:17:18,780 --> 01:17:21,480 S1: about Saltburn, which tried to do the same thing and 1701 01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:24,929 S1: didn't really succeed, and then more recently with the really incredible, 1702 01:17:24,930 --> 01:17:28,290 S1: I think, Andrew Scott Netflix series based on the character. 1703 01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:31,140 S1: This film is one of my favorite films of all time, 1704 01:17:31,140 --> 01:17:34,110 S1: set in the 1950s. Matt Damon is Tom Ripley, a 1705 01:17:34,110 --> 01:17:37,650 S1: con artist sent from New York to Italy to try 1706 01:17:37,650 --> 01:17:41,700 S1: and convince Dickie Greenleaf, a rich Playboy, to come back home. 1707 01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:44,670 S1: The cast of this movie Matt Damon, Jude Law, Philip 1708 01:17:44,670 --> 01:17:48,660 S1: Seymour Hoffman, Gwyneth Paltrow, Cate Blanchett all kind of just 1709 01:17:48,660 --> 01:17:52,200 S1: before they became ballistically famous. So they're amazing actors and 1710 01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:54,750 S1: they have this kind of like naivety to them that 1711 01:17:54,750 --> 01:17:58,049 S1: really works for the film. My favorite scene this was 1712 01:17:58,050 --> 01:18:00,000 S1: a tricky one because there's a couple that I like, but. 1713 01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:03,090 S1: I think I landed on the right one. It's the 1714 01:18:03,090 --> 01:18:07,500 S1: introduction to Freddy. Philip Seymour Hoffman's character. He pulls up 1715 01:18:07,500 --> 01:18:11,130 S1: to this cafe in Rome in a red convertible, jumps 1716 01:18:11,130 --> 01:18:13,769 S1: out of the car, waltzes down to where Damon and 1717 01:18:13,770 --> 01:18:17,010 S1: Jude Law are having coffee, and delivers one of the 1718 01:18:17,010 --> 01:18:19,770 S1: most iconic first lines any character has delivered in a movie. 1719 01:18:21,210 --> 01:18:23,220 S32: Oh God, don't you want to fuck everyone when you 1720 01:18:23,220 --> 01:18:24,330 S32: see just once? 1721 01:18:24,990 --> 01:18:26,970 S33: Only once. Absolutely. 1722 01:18:26,970 --> 01:18:29,820 S29: Once. Child. Tom. Ripley. Freddy. Myers. Tom. 1723 01:18:31,260 --> 01:18:34,830 S1: It is crazy stuff. It is an awesome performance from 1724 01:18:34,830 --> 01:18:38,340 S1: Philip Seymour Hoffman. I think I give a special shout 1725 01:18:38,340 --> 01:18:41,460 S1: out to the Naples jazz club scene as well, where 1726 01:18:41,460 --> 01:18:44,160 S1: the guys are all singing and playing saxophone. That is 1727 01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:45,450 S1: super fun. That's like from a part of the movie 1728 01:18:45,450 --> 01:18:47,309 S1: where you're like, this is great. I'm just hanging out 1729 01:18:47,310 --> 01:18:49,830 S1: with these cool hot people as I have an awesome 1730 01:18:49,830 --> 01:18:52,889 S1: holiday in Italy. And then obviously the movie gets like 1731 01:18:52,890 --> 01:18:57,660 S1: significantly darker later on. Um, the hold up the best. 1732 01:18:57,660 --> 01:19:02,070 S1: I've said this already, the cast, like you, just can't 1733 01:19:02,070 --> 01:19:06,330 S1: think of another example where this many A-list actors who 1734 01:19:06,330 --> 01:19:09,929 S1: wanted to so much success were caught at their just 1735 01:19:09,930 --> 01:19:13,140 S1: before their peak in their prime. In this way, uh, 1736 01:19:13,140 --> 01:19:15,840 S1: they're all used perfectly. And I think it is so 1737 01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:19,439 S1: hard to think about these characters that have been portrayed 1738 01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:23,190 S1: in film and television so many times, without thinking of 1739 01:19:23,189 --> 01:19:25,620 S1: the guys who played them in this film. Like, it's 1740 01:19:25,620 --> 01:19:27,510 S1: hard to think of Ripley not as Damon. It's hard 1741 01:19:27,510 --> 01:19:31,299 S1: to think of Freddy, not as Philip Seymour Hoffman. What 1742 01:19:31,300 --> 01:19:34,320 S1: holds up the worst in this film? This is kind 1743 01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:37,710 S1: of complicated to explain, but like basically the idea of 1744 01:19:37,710 --> 01:19:41,070 S1: being a con artist in the 50s seemed so easy. 1745 01:19:41,070 --> 01:19:42,780 S1: And I just don't think you can do that anymore. 1746 01:19:42,780 --> 01:19:44,790 S1: Like there are scenes in this movie, there are entire 1747 01:19:44,790 --> 01:19:46,710 S1: plot points in this movie that just work, because Matt 1748 01:19:46,710 --> 01:19:50,910 S1: Damon's looks a bit like Jude Law's passport photo now. 1749 01:19:50,910 --> 01:19:53,759 S1: They're like fingerprinting and they're using face ID you just 1750 01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:55,410 S1: couldn't get away with that. But maybe that's what makes 1751 01:19:55,410 --> 01:19:58,080 S1: the movie work so well is that we've all seen 1752 01:19:58,080 --> 01:20:00,360 S1: this before about films in the 90s. You just have 1753 01:20:00,360 --> 01:20:01,679 S1: none of that stuff, so you just have a lot 1754 01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:06,480 S1: more fun. What's possible seems much more boundless. And could 1755 01:20:06,479 --> 01:20:08,940 S1: it be made in 2024? Guess what it was? It 1756 01:20:08,939 --> 01:20:11,940 S1: was made for Netflix and it was fucking awesome. Another 1757 01:20:11,939 --> 01:20:13,950 S1: reason why this movie absolutely rules. 1758 01:20:14,280 --> 01:20:16,410 S2: Oh man, this would be probably my number one of 1759 01:20:16,410 --> 01:20:19,889 S2: the 1999 sect. I just think it's when I think 1760 01:20:19,890 --> 01:20:21,780 S2: of like if I was to create a work of art, 1761 01:20:21,780 --> 01:20:23,820 S2: the vibe of this movie, I can't explain it, but 1762 01:20:23,820 --> 01:20:26,070 S2: the vibe, everything of it, I'm like, that's what I 1763 01:20:26,070 --> 01:20:29,460 S2: would want. The feelings it gives you, the atmosphere, the tone. I, 1764 01:20:29,460 --> 01:20:30,210 S2: I love it. 1765 01:20:30,210 --> 01:20:32,700 S3: Yeah. We have so much love for Ripley on this pod. 1766 01:20:33,090 --> 01:20:34,410 S1: Yeah, I mean, I loved it so much. I went 1767 01:20:34,410 --> 01:20:36,450 S1: to Ischia, where they shot half the movie last year 1768 01:20:36,450 --> 01:20:38,460 S1: for a holiday, just because it was where they shot 1769 01:20:38,460 --> 01:20:39,030 S1: the movie. 1770 01:20:39,030 --> 01:20:40,830 S2: Was it as good as it looks in the film? 1771 01:20:40,830 --> 01:20:41,040 S2: It was. 1772 01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:44,729 S1: Amazing. It was amazing. Yeah. The castle is there. Very cool. Mel, 1773 01:20:45,210 --> 01:20:49,170 S1: we're up to your final pick for the 1999 movie 1774 01:20:49,170 --> 01:20:50,040 S1: Hall of Fame. 1775 01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:52,559 S2: And it's a bit late to kind of get into 1776 01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:55,500 S2: the terms that were set for our choices, but when 1777 01:20:55,500 --> 01:20:58,650 S2: we said the kind of famous films of 1999, I 1778 01:20:58,650 --> 01:21:01,290 S2: took that to also maybe mean infamous as well, because 1779 01:21:01,290 --> 01:21:02,400 S2: I don't know if this is like one of the 1780 01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:04,559 S2: best films, but I think it was important and it's 1781 01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:07,620 S2: worth discussing that is Never Been Kissed. 1782 01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:10,920 S29: Welcome to Shakespeare's As You Like It. Are you sure 1783 01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:11,640 S29: you're 17? 1784 01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:12,870 S34: I'm 17. 1785 01:21:14,300 --> 01:21:16,400 S5: She's never been hip hop. 1786 01:21:16,700 --> 01:21:19,189 S35: This is where the stories are. 1787 01:21:19,430 --> 01:21:21,050 S27: She's never been cool. 1788 01:21:21,050 --> 01:21:23,840 S35: You'll become friends with these people. 1789 01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:25,970 S34: Houston. Kristen. Gibby. What's that girl? 1790 01:21:27,729 --> 01:21:28,900 S25: Are you in special ed? 1791 01:21:29,650 --> 01:21:31,600 S27: And she's never been sexy. 1792 01:21:31,630 --> 01:21:34,870 S35: You will party with them. You'll rave with them. You're 1793 01:21:34,870 --> 01:21:36,070 S35: going to get jiggy with them. 1794 01:21:36,070 --> 01:21:37,240 S27: Until now. 1795 01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:39,849 S2: All you need. It was directed by Raja Gosnell, who 1796 01:21:39,850 --> 01:21:43,750 S2: went on to do Big Momma's House. Smurfs, Scooby-Doo. If 1797 01:21:43,750 --> 01:21:48,939 S2: that says anything, this is Drew Barrymore. She plays Josie Geller, 1798 01:21:48,939 --> 01:21:52,450 S2: who's an insecure 25 year old reporter for the Chicago Sun-Times. 1799 01:21:52,450 --> 01:21:55,299 S2: She's never had a relationship, famously never been kissed. She's 1800 01:21:55,300 --> 01:21:58,480 S2: given an assignment to go undercover at a high school. 1801 01:21:59,170 --> 01:22:02,980 S2: Off she goes to write about what kids are like today. Now, 1802 01:22:02,979 --> 01:22:05,140 S2: what is my favorite scene in this film? 1803 01:22:05,350 --> 01:22:07,660 S1: Before we get to that, this is another movie where 1804 01:22:07,660 --> 01:22:10,150 S1: an adult goes to a high school to try and 1805 01:22:10,150 --> 01:22:12,580 S1: do nefarious things with high schoolers. 1806 01:22:12,580 --> 01:22:14,500 S2: Yeah, and I think, what the fuck. 1807 01:22:14,500 --> 01:22:16,630 S1: Was happening in America? This is crazy. 1808 01:22:16,630 --> 01:22:20,170 S2: Yeah, yeah, you kind of really see, this whole plot 1809 01:22:20,170 --> 01:22:22,690 S2: is very messed up, and maybe I'll just jump ahead 1810 01:22:22,689 --> 01:22:23,860 S2: to what doesn't work. 1811 01:22:23,979 --> 01:22:25,540 S1: Yeah, start with what doesn't work. Let's do. 1812 01:22:25,540 --> 01:22:26,320 S15: That. Yeah. 1813 01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:29,080 S2: What doesn't work? Well, yes. It's another situation where maybe 1814 01:22:29,080 --> 01:22:31,630 S2: the whole plot doesn't work. We've got this 25 year 1815 01:22:31,630 --> 01:22:33,820 S2: old who goes to a school. She kind of gets 1816 01:22:33,820 --> 01:22:35,979 S2: the hots for a student at the same time as 1817 01:22:35,979 --> 01:22:38,380 S2: a teacher, gets the hots for her. And when the 1818 01:22:38,380 --> 01:22:41,650 S2: teacher finds out she's actually 25, is more upset at 1819 01:22:41,650 --> 01:22:44,019 S2: her than when she was a student. She's also got 1820 01:22:44,020 --> 01:22:47,080 S2: her brother, who then somehow enrolls in the school and 1821 01:22:47,080 --> 01:22:50,080 S2: has a relationship with a student. Again, an adult man. 1822 01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:53,979 S2: I mean, yes, it's completely whacked and also really did 1823 01:22:53,979 --> 01:22:55,750 S2: make me wonder why is it so easy to enroll 1824 01:22:55,750 --> 01:23:00,040 S2: in schools? There's no one asking for ID what works? Again, 1825 01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:02,920 S2: I think it did a pretty good job at capturing 1826 01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:08,260 S2: how traumatizing high school can be. And Drew Barrymore, she's lovable, goofy. 1827 01:23:08,260 --> 01:23:10,629 S2: She's kind of. She's kind of worth watching just for 1828 01:23:10,630 --> 01:23:12,580 S2: her charisma in this. 1829 01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:14,500 S1: Yeah. Drew Barrymore was a great part of this movie. 1830 01:23:14,500 --> 01:23:17,620 S1: Probably the only reason I revisit it. Really. She's awesome in. 1831 01:23:17,620 --> 01:23:18,130 S15: It. Yeah. 1832 01:23:18,130 --> 01:23:19,420 S2: It's so weird that it was so big on the 1833 01:23:19,420 --> 01:23:22,660 S2: sleepover roster again. But yeah, I don't know why our 1834 01:23:22,660 --> 01:23:23,950 S2: parents were letting us watch that. 1835 01:23:23,950 --> 01:23:24,340 S15: Uh, what's your. 1836 01:23:24,340 --> 01:23:25,330 S1: Favorite scene, Mel? 1837 01:23:26,229 --> 01:23:28,900 S2: Uh, I quite like when she's stoned at the party. 1838 01:23:28,900 --> 01:23:32,050 S2: She goes dancing on stage. She's like riding a feather 1839 01:23:32,050 --> 01:23:34,690 S2: boa at the same time as she's being covertly. Well, 1840 01:23:34,689 --> 01:23:38,379 S2: she's being surveilled by her colleagues because she's wearing a camera. 1841 01:23:38,380 --> 01:23:41,170 S2: It's fun, it's silly. It's a very ridiculous film. 1842 01:23:41,500 --> 01:23:43,900 S1: And could it be made today? Probably not. For the 1843 01:23:43,900 --> 01:23:45,939 S1: same reasons why so many of these movies couldn't. 1844 01:23:45,939 --> 01:23:47,860 S2: Yeah, yeah, I think I'm happy to leave this 1 1845 01:23:47,860 --> 01:23:48,640 S2: in 1999. 1846 01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:50,290 S15: Where it belongs. 1847 01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:53,650 S1: Uh, Thomas, your last choice for the Hall of Fame. 1848 01:23:53,650 --> 01:23:54,280 S1: What is it? 1849 01:23:54,580 --> 01:23:56,560 S3: Uh, look, before we get into that, can I just say, 1850 01:23:56,560 --> 01:23:58,269 S3: sometimes there's so much beauty in the world, I feel 1851 01:23:58,270 --> 01:24:01,240 S3: like I can't take it. Uh, look, someone had to 1852 01:24:01,240 --> 01:24:04,629 S3: do it. American Beauty Sam Mendes, famously known as the 1853 01:24:04,630 --> 01:24:07,120 S3: worst best picture film of all time. 1854 01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:09,400 S36: Why does he dress like a Bible salesman? 1855 01:24:09,820 --> 01:24:12,519 S29: Today I quit my job, and then I blackmailed my 1856 01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:15,040 S29: boss for almost $60,000. Pass the asparagus. 1857 01:24:16,450 --> 01:24:18,970 S36: My dad's actually kind of cute. I think he and 1858 01:24:18,970 --> 01:24:21,610 S36: your mother have not slept together in a long time. 1859 01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:24,250 S37: Shut up. Do you think you're the only. 1860 01:24:24,250 --> 01:24:26,710 S3: It is almost like if you were to type into 1861 01:24:26,710 --> 01:24:30,309 S3: an AI generator in 2024. Give me a 1999 film. 1862 01:24:30,310 --> 01:24:32,770 S3: This is what it would spit out. Uh, it kind 1863 01:24:32,770 --> 01:24:34,600 S3: of like, pulled the greatest trick on everyone at the 1864 01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:38,410 S3: time into thinking it was this amazing, searing commentary on 1865 01:24:38,410 --> 01:24:42,820 S3: suburban life and, you know, feeling that you haven't amounted 1866 01:24:42,820 --> 01:24:46,900 S3: to anything. But really, it was just basically Kevin Spacey grooming, which, 1867 01:24:46,900 --> 01:24:50,889 S3: as we know, is not that impressive. Um, wait. 1868 01:24:50,890 --> 01:24:53,650 S1: You're telling me this is another movie about an older 1869 01:24:53,650 --> 01:24:55,810 S1: man grooming a high school kid? 1870 01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:58,000 S3: Yeah, I know, it's like everyone in suburbia was so 1871 01:24:58,000 --> 01:24:59,620 S3: bored that they had to fuck teenagers. 1872 01:24:59,620 --> 01:25:03,040 S1: So what? What? Despite it being problematic, you recognizing that 1873 01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:05,590 S1: what holds up for you in this movie? What makes 1874 01:25:05,590 --> 01:25:08,439 S1: this movie when you watch it in 2024 still feel 1875 01:25:08,439 --> 01:25:09,940 S1: important or interesting? 1876 01:25:10,240 --> 01:25:11,889 S3: Well, I think like for a lot of people, it's 1877 01:25:11,890 --> 01:25:13,810 S3: probably the fact that you can't divorce the feeling that 1878 01:25:13,810 --> 01:25:16,240 S3: it had on you at the first time of watching, 1879 01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:19,120 S3: like it did feel like an important, you know, film 1880 01:25:19,120 --> 01:25:21,250 S3: at the time. People often refer to it as a 1881 01:25:21,250 --> 01:25:23,889 S3: deep movie for shallow people, which I need to unpack 1882 01:25:23,890 --> 01:25:26,440 S3: with myself later. But like, I mean, look, and it 1883 01:25:26,439 --> 01:25:28,390 S3: really a lot of it, I guess, can be perfectly 1884 01:25:28,390 --> 01:25:31,150 S3: encapsulated in what is both my favorite scene, but I 1885 01:25:31,180 --> 01:25:33,639 S3: cringe watching it back, which is, of course, the plastic 1886 01:25:33,640 --> 01:25:36,520 S3: bag scene. That's your favorite scene? Well, no, but like 1887 01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:39,130 S3: that is that is this. Yeah. The scene, you know 1888 01:25:39,130 --> 01:25:40,960 S3: what I mean? Like that is the scene from the movie. 1889 01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:43,570 S3: It's either that or like Kevin Spacey thinking about Mena 1890 01:25:43,570 --> 01:25:46,450 S3: Suvari as a teenager covered in rose petals. There was like, 1891 01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:49,600 S3: you're picking like, fucking pretty grim choices here. 1892 01:25:49,630 --> 01:25:52,060 S2: Can I tell you that we're running out of time? 1893 01:25:52,060 --> 01:25:55,509 S2: But in 1999, I did a speech to the Assembly, 1894 01:25:55,510 --> 01:25:58,330 S2: and I used that scene, and I tied it into 1895 01:25:58,330 --> 01:26:02,229 S2: a speech about why we should reuse bags, because, like, 1896 01:26:02,229 --> 01:26:05,170 S2: that bag was indestructible. There you go. Really cut through. 1897 01:26:05,170 --> 01:26:05,439 S2: I know. 1898 01:26:05,439 --> 01:26:07,000 S3: But it's amazing, like, you know, and like that is 1899 01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:09,639 S3: the famous line about, you know, some, some, like, beauty 1900 01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:11,889 S3: in the world. And we're just watching this guy film rubbish. 1901 01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:14,830 S1: Famously paraphrased by Katy Perry, you know, many years later. 1902 01:26:14,830 --> 01:26:18,790 S3: Yes, exactly. Um, so look, it's like it is really funny. 1903 01:26:18,790 --> 01:26:21,189 S3: 25 years is a long time, but I don't think 1904 01:26:21,189 --> 01:26:24,280 S3: any Best Picture winner that scooped all the major categories 1905 01:26:24,280 --> 01:26:27,580 S3: has aged so poorly, and is probably a perfect reflection 1906 01:26:27,580 --> 01:26:30,880 S3: of just how weird things were in the late 90s. 1907 01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:33,460 S3: One part I think has aged well, which is, you know, 1908 01:26:33,460 --> 01:26:35,440 S3: there's a famous scene where Kevin Spacey and Annette Bening, 1909 01:26:35,439 --> 01:26:37,689 S3: his wife, who he hates, who later, you know, spoiler alert, 1910 01:26:37,689 --> 01:26:41,860 S3: kills him. Uh, they're having sex. And she basically is 1911 01:26:41,860 --> 01:26:43,780 S3: concerned that he's going to spill something on the couch. 1912 01:26:43,780 --> 01:26:46,870 S3: And that kind of like sums up the marital kind 1913 01:26:46,870 --> 01:26:49,660 S3: of like depression that had consumed them both. And I 1914 01:26:49,660 --> 01:26:51,280 S3: think sometimes, you know, you watch that and you're like, okay, 1915 01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:53,410 S3: that's perhaps of all the different things wrong in this movie, 1916 01:26:53,410 --> 01:26:55,660 S3: maybe they tapped into something there that is probably pretty 1917 01:26:55,660 --> 01:26:57,640 S3: universal for a lot of people. But look, it goes 1918 01:26:57,640 --> 01:27:00,790 S3: without saying, could this movie be made? Should this movie 1919 01:27:00,790 --> 01:27:04,450 S3: be made in 2024, probably have to recast Kevin Spacey. Uh, 1920 01:27:04,450 --> 01:27:07,210 S3: but generally, no, you don't want to see The return 1921 01:27:07,210 --> 01:27:08,020 S3: of American Beauty. 1922 01:27:08,020 --> 01:27:09,760 S1: I'm glad you picked it because we did have to 1923 01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:11,650 S1: talk about it. It is the Best Picture winner of 1924 01:27:11,650 --> 01:27:13,599 S1: that year. It is kind of crazy the grip that 1925 01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:15,730 S1: it had, it deserved to be unpacked. So thank you 1926 01:27:15,729 --> 01:27:17,200 S1: for stepping up to the plate. 1927 01:27:17,950 --> 01:27:20,470 S15: Yeah. Once again, another brave choice from Thomas. 1928 01:27:20,890 --> 01:27:26,320 S1: I'm all right, all right, I'm bringing it home. I 1929 01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:29,110 S1: had to do it. Notting Hill. Yeah. 1930 01:27:30,340 --> 01:27:35,559 S38: A very ordinary boy bumps into a girl. Oh my God, 1931 01:27:35,590 --> 01:27:38,559 S38: and takes her home. The bathroom's on the top floor. 1932 01:27:38,920 --> 01:27:46,830 S38: It happens all the time. But she is no ordinary girl. 1933 01:27:46,830 --> 01:27:50,700 S38: She is Anna Scott, the most famous film star in 1934 01:27:50,700 --> 01:27:52,950 S38: the world. And when they get every. 1935 01:27:52,950 --> 01:27:55,710 S1: Couple of years, I set myself the task of trying 1936 01:27:55,710 --> 01:27:58,200 S1: to decide what is the perfect rom com. I watch 1937 01:27:58,200 --> 01:28:01,770 S1: them all and I just don't think anything beats Notting Hill. 1938 01:28:01,770 --> 01:28:05,430 S1: It's the best of Richard Curtis's films. Hugh Grant and 1939 01:28:05,430 --> 01:28:08,460 S1: Julia Roberts just nail it. The supporting cast is great. 1940 01:28:08,460 --> 01:28:11,490 S1: The 90s were awesome for rom coms. It feels right 1941 01:28:11,490 --> 01:28:14,129 S1: to have something as iconic like this on the list. 1942 01:28:14,460 --> 01:28:17,309 S1: The best scene in this movie I didn't know what 1943 01:28:17,310 --> 01:28:20,849 S1: a media junket was the first time I saw this film. 1944 01:28:20,850 --> 01:28:24,420 S1: This is the scene where Hugh Grant tries to meet, uh, 1945 01:28:24,420 --> 01:28:26,760 S1: Julia Roberts to give her some flowers, and he goes 1946 01:28:26,760 --> 01:28:29,280 S1: to an event where journalists are interviewing her for upcoming 1947 01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:31,140 S1: Weird Space movie, and he has to pretend to be 1948 01:28:31,140 --> 01:28:33,210 S1: a journalist from Horse and Hound. This is an awesome, 1949 01:28:33,210 --> 01:28:35,940 S1: very funny, very cool scene. It rocked when I was 1950 01:28:35,939 --> 01:28:37,920 S1: younger and didn't know what the hell was going on. 1951 01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:40,710 S1: Now that I've been to like hundreds of media junkets, 1952 01:28:40,710 --> 01:28:42,990 S1: it is even better. It's just crazy to put this 1953 01:28:42,990 --> 01:28:45,540 S1: like weird thing that only people in our world really 1954 01:28:45,540 --> 01:28:49,110 S1: know about into this big, splashy rom com film. I 1955 01:28:49,110 --> 01:28:51,780 S1: think what holds up the best? It's hard because it's 1956 01:28:51,780 --> 01:28:55,889 S1: such a perfect movie, but the soundtrack slaps so hard. 1957 01:28:56,040 --> 01:28:59,490 S1: Every needle drop in this film is so good. When 1958 01:28:59,490 --> 01:28:59,850 S1: I was younger. 1959 01:29:00,030 --> 01:29:01,439 S15: Ronan Keating Ronan. 1960 01:29:01,439 --> 01:29:03,809 S1: Keating is probably my least favorite on the soundtrack. Um, 1961 01:29:03,810 --> 01:29:05,070 S1: when I was a kid, we'd go on a lot 1962 01:29:05,070 --> 01:29:07,410 S1: of car trips and there'd be heaps of arguing about 1963 01:29:07,410 --> 01:29:09,750 S1: what radio station to listen to, what CDs to put on. 1964 01:29:09,750 --> 01:29:12,240 S1: But the one thing that the family all agreed on 1965 01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:15,930 S1: was the soundtrack Elvis Costello, Al Green, The Lighthouse Family, 1966 01:29:15,930 --> 01:29:19,139 S1: Texas Bill Withers this is like the sound of my 1967 01:29:19,140 --> 01:29:22,740 S1: early teens in so many ways. Um, what holds up 1968 01:29:22,740 --> 01:29:25,050 S1: the worst? So there's this modern take that's going around. 1969 01:29:25,050 --> 01:29:27,030 S1: It's been going around the last couple of years. Mamma mia! 1970 01:29:27,030 --> 01:29:29,460 S1: Has published it. Erin Molan, their radio presenter, is like 1971 01:29:29,460 --> 01:29:33,420 S1: ranted about this. They say that Julia Roberts sucks because 1972 01:29:33,420 --> 01:29:36,210 S1: she lied to Hugh Grant about having a boyfriend and 1973 01:29:36,210 --> 01:29:38,940 S1: jerked him around. I got to say, I don't really 1974 01:29:38,939 --> 01:29:41,639 S1: care about that at all. Like she meets this guy 1975 01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:44,490 S1: in a bookstore. They get carried away, they have some fun. 1976 01:29:44,490 --> 01:29:46,080 S1: What do you want her to say? Oh, actually, I'm 1977 01:29:46,080 --> 01:29:48,360 S1: dating Alec Baldwin and he sucks. That would be a 1978 01:29:48,360 --> 01:29:50,639 S1: terrible movie. Like, I don't want to watch that movie. 1979 01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:52,680 S1: It's just a bit of tension for the film. Stop 1980 01:29:52,680 --> 01:29:56,910 S1: trying to ruin nice movies from the 90s. What? Actually, 1981 01:29:56,910 --> 01:29:59,580 S1: I think age the worst is probably the fact that 1982 01:29:59,580 --> 01:30:02,730 S1: Hugh Grant had no idea who this giant movie star was. 1983 01:30:02,729 --> 01:30:05,189 S1: Is he the dumbest man in England? That is crazy. 1984 01:30:05,189 --> 01:30:08,130 S1: Every single person knows her except for him. Doesn't really 1985 01:30:08,130 --> 01:30:08,910 S1: make sense to me. 1986 01:30:09,420 --> 01:30:11,520 S3: Yeah, but he just lives in the bookshop and he has. 1987 01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:12,570 S15: His special words. 1988 01:30:12,570 --> 01:30:13,530 S3: And, you know, he's like a. 1989 01:30:13,800 --> 01:30:16,950 S2: Also, I mean, Notting Hill looks absolutely angelic compared to 1990 01:30:16,950 --> 01:30:19,019 S2: some of these other films that we've discussed. 1991 01:30:19,020 --> 01:30:22,320 S1: Yeah, it's probably Daisy. It's probably got some weird bits 1992 01:30:22,320 --> 01:30:25,050 S1: to it, but it, it doesn't seem to be as. 1993 01:30:25,050 --> 01:30:26,580 S15: Cooked compared to where we've gone. 1994 01:30:26,580 --> 01:30:29,520 S1: So if the bar is, uh, young children groomed this 1995 01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:32,280 S1: well and truly, you know, gets over the line, um, 1996 01:30:32,280 --> 01:30:34,320 S1: could it be made in 2024? I mean, sort of. 1997 01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:37,350 S1: We talked about the idea of you, which was basically 1998 01:30:37,350 --> 01:30:40,740 S1: a gender flipped version of this film. I think, though, 1999 01:30:40,740 --> 01:30:43,080 S1: what wouldn't be done this way. And we've talked about 2000 01:30:43,080 --> 01:30:45,479 S1: this a couple of times. This is shot on location 2001 01:30:45,479 --> 01:30:48,330 S1: in Notting Hill. The script is really great. The cast 2002 01:30:48,330 --> 01:30:51,810 S1: is really good. Clearly a lot of attention and time 2003 01:30:51,810 --> 01:30:54,630 S1: and care was put into this. I think these days 2004 01:30:54,630 --> 01:30:57,330 S1: we get sort of the first or second draft iteration 2005 01:30:57,330 --> 01:31:00,750 S1: of this, either at the movies or on streamers. And again, 2006 01:31:00,750 --> 01:31:03,689 S1: I just think like let creators take time, let writers 2007 01:31:03,990 --> 01:31:08,610 S1: take time to make movies this good again. My fun 2008 01:31:08,610 --> 01:31:12,960 S1: fact on this is that Nicole Kidman auditioned for the 2009 01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:15,360 S1: part that Julia Roberts plays, but was told she wasn't 2010 01:31:15,360 --> 01:31:16,770 S1: talented enough. There you go. 2011 01:31:17,490 --> 01:31:19,920 S2: I cannot imagine her in that role though. Julia Roberts, 2012 01:31:19,920 --> 01:31:22,470 S2: Hugh Grant, their chemistry. Yeah, they were the they were 2013 01:31:22,470 --> 01:31:23,309 S2: the right choice. 2014 01:31:23,370 --> 01:31:26,219 S1: Um, we are now actually getting kicked out of our 2015 01:31:26,220 --> 01:31:30,090 S1: recording because of how long Thomas talked about kissing. Uh, 2016 01:31:30,240 --> 01:31:33,330 S1: but I wanted to recap on a Hall of Fame briefly, 2017 01:31:33,330 --> 01:31:36,269 S1: because I think we nailed it. Team, how about this 2018 01:31:36,270 --> 01:31:40,530 S1: for a list of nine movies from 1999 Magnolia Fight 2019 01:31:40,530 --> 01:31:45,930 S1: Club election, The Virgin Suicides, Cruel Intentions, The Talented Mr. Ripley, 2020 01:31:45,930 --> 01:31:49,200 S1: Never Been Kissed, American Beauty and Notting Hill. God damn, 2021 01:31:49,200 --> 01:31:50,070 S1: that's a list. 2022 01:31:50,250 --> 01:31:52,020 S2: It's a good list. But guys, I feel a bit 2023 01:31:52,050 --> 01:31:55,140 S2: icky now that really unpacking some of those films and 2024 01:31:55,140 --> 01:31:57,930 S2: what was popular? Uh, it kind of it shocked me 2025 01:31:57,930 --> 01:32:00,930 S2: hearing all the kind of what was going on in 1999. 2026 01:32:00,930 --> 01:32:03,600 S1: It is weird, even though we talked about the strange 2027 01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:06,210 S1: themes before we listed all the movies, the fact that 2028 01:32:06,210 --> 01:32:11,309 S1: like American Beauty, Cruel Intentions, election, at least all have 2029 01:32:11,310 --> 01:32:15,870 S1: these strange themes. Yeah, it's it's it's a weird time. 2030 01:32:15,870 --> 01:32:17,910 S1: Let's let's leave it with that. 2031 01:32:18,660 --> 01:32:20,880 S2: But we've gone there. We've done it for the listeners. 2032 01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:21,750 S15: Yes, correct. 2033 01:32:21,900 --> 01:32:24,059 S1: Thomas, I think that worked. I think we had fun. 2034 01:32:24,060 --> 01:32:25,500 S15: Yeah, yeah. 2035 01:32:25,500 --> 01:32:30,179 S3: I mean, look, I, I get to have horrors about 2036 01:32:30,180 --> 01:32:32,309 S3: the discussion around. 2037 01:32:32,310 --> 01:32:32,820 S15: Please don't. 2038 01:32:32,820 --> 01:32:33,660 S2: Say those words again. 2039 01:32:33,660 --> 01:32:34,080 S15: To me. 2040 01:32:34,080 --> 01:32:35,310 S3: Massaging terms. 2041 01:32:35,430 --> 01:32:35,910 S15: I. 2042 01:32:35,910 --> 01:32:36,450 S2: Just. 2043 01:32:36,540 --> 01:32:38,220 S3: But yeah. No, I think we nailed it. Yeah. 2044 01:32:38,700 --> 01:32:40,560 S1: In lieu of impress Your friends, we've just given you 2045 01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:46,230 S1: nine awesome and potentially creepy films to rewatch. Um, some 2046 01:32:46,229 --> 01:32:48,840 S1: homework for us to do, but that was fun. I 2047 01:32:48,840 --> 01:32:50,760 S1: had a great time, had a great time rewatching these movies. 2048 01:32:50,760 --> 01:32:52,769 S1: I had a great time talking to you guys about them. 2049 01:32:52,770 --> 01:32:55,170 S1: Maybe we should do something like this again in the future. 2050 01:32:55,500 --> 01:32:56,370 S2: Looking forward to it. 2051 01:32:56,370 --> 01:32:57,750 S3: 2009 here we come. 2052 01:32:57,750 --> 01:33:04,650 S1: Take care guys. Bye. This episode of The Drop was 2053 01:33:04,650 --> 01:33:07,800 S1: produced by Kai Wong. If you enjoyed listening to today's 2054 01:33:07,800 --> 01:33:09,870 S1: episode of The Drop, make sure to follow us on 2055 01:33:09,870 --> 01:33:12,810 S1: your favorite podcast app. Leave us a review or better yet, 2056 01:33:12,810 --> 01:33:15,600 S1: share it with a friend! I'm Osman Faruqi. See you 2057 01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:16,259 S1: next week.