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S1: John Silvester, aka Sly of the underworld and Sly. Walk

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S1: us through how the police operation went down.

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S2: Uh, well, it was a special operations group. They'd been

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S2: up there for days. Um, they'd surveilled the place. They

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S2: knew exactly what they were going to do. They had, um,

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S2: vehicles on the periphery, on the, on the off chance

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S2: he got through. And what effectively happened yesterday was suicide

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S2: by cop. Um, there's Freeman when he wouldn't, um, surrender

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S2: when he walked out armed. He had to know what

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S2: was going to happen. Um, it is believed he fired

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S2: two shots and then a series of s o g gunmen.

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S2: Snipers got on. What you like, returned fire. Um, there

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S2: were up to eight there, and I think just about

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S2: every one of them fired. So, um, uh, he was very,

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S2: very dead by the time he hit the ground.

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S1: So he was shot by eight members of the special

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S1: operations group.

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S2: Up to eight. It's officially said multiple shooters, multiple shots.

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S2: He would have been shot dozens of times because all those.

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S2: Special operations group people with those heavy semi-automatic, uh, long

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S2: arm firearms. Can fly between 10 and 15 shots a second.

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S2: So you can imagine what sort of hail of bullets. Uh, welcome, des.

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S2: Out of his container.

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S3: John, there was an image yesterday in the news, which

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S3: I certainly hadn't seen before. So there was the truck

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S3: that had pulled up to the container, and they had

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S3: this probe that was then attached to the container. What

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S3: was going on there?

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S2: Uh, honestly not sure. But the, the, the new facility,

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S2: I think it was well over 70 million. The amount of, um,

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S2: hardware that they've got there is unbelievable. In fact, in

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S2: the secure facility, there are from memory eight sort of

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S2: container type structures that can be used to practice, um,

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S2: extracting a hostage or forced entry. Obviously in this case,

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S2: there was no possibility of a forced entry with the

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S2: one entrance at the front of the container, which is

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S2: why they wanted the negotiated outcome. But the truth of

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S2: the matter is, it was never going to work because

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S2: Freeman had told his wife, um, via a phone straight

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S2: after the August shooting, I love you and I'll see

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S2: you in heaven. He was never going to be taken alive.

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S1: Are unlikely to get to heaven as well. Um, how

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S1: did they know he was there?

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S2: I understand it was a tip off and then some surveillance. Um,

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S2: it's been relatively quick, and, um, one of the police

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S2: killed by, um, des frame, uh, van der Walt Hubbard.

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S2: His parents were here just last week from Belgium for the, um,

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S2: 40th anniversary of, um, Russell Street, and they just looked

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S2: so grief stricken, and, uh, it must have been tempting,

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S2: I think, at that point for somebody to say, look,

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S2: we've got a new lead. But of course that remains silent.

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S2: So they all would have been told now what happened?

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S2: Certainly the police were of the view, um, that he

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S2: was dead. Um in the absence of any um you know,

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S2: they'd searched and searched and searched, there was no communication. So, um,

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S2: the thought that he was, um, living, um, uh, dark, um,

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S2: had almost been dismissed and it turned out to be true.

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S1: Um, was the tip off done for money for reward?

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S2: I don't know, but, um, that the reward is specific.

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S2: It was, um, effectively dead or alive. Normally the reward says, um,

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S2: for the arrest and conviction. Um, but in this case,

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S2: it was quite clearly said for the arrest. So there

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S2: was a, you know, there was a view there that

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S2: it was unlikely to be taken alive.

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S3: John, do we know how long he was there for?

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S2: Uh, no. That's what the chief Commissioner said is now

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S2: the back tracking. Was he there all the time? Was

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S2: he there a week? Was he there? Two weeks. Who knows. Um, certainly.

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S2: Um in that good communities up there, there is an

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S2: element that is truly weird. And there was like one

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S2: coffee shop that wouldn't serve police and um, police were

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S2: told not to take their private cars up there because

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S2: some of these conspiracy theorists were taking down all their registrations. Why?

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S2: I have no idea.

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S1: Um, if the million dollars is claimed by a sovereign citizen,

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S1: I assume it will still be paid.

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S2: Absolutely. It's not their background. It's their information that counts.

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S2: What if, of course, it will not be made public?

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S1: Yeah. And what if the million dollars is claimed by

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S1: someone who harbored him?

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S2: Ah, well, that's a total different thing altogether because you're

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S2: involved in a conspiracy. And if that person has done it,

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S2: it may well, um, be mitigation, if you know what

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S2: I mean. You know, it's quite, it's quite usual to say, well,

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S2: we won't charge you if you play ball.

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S3: So John, what happens next?

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S2: Well, I think it's it's pretty obvious the state of

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S2: the body and how many shots there were that they

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S2: haven't yet officially identified them. So next, um, you know,

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S2: the coroner will ultimately, uh, do an inquest, but it

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S2: seems pretty open and shut. He's armed with a police firearm.

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S2: He comes out, he's a threat, and he's shot dead.

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S2: So it's got to be straightforward. But then the, the, uh,

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S2: they'll try and backtrack to work out what's happened in

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S2: the last 200 days.

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S1: It's like, um, great stuff. We will speak, of course,

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S1: again with you after eight tomorrow morning. John Silvester, aka

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S1: Sly of the underworld.