Speaker 1: Welcome to Sunday Night, Cruise.
Speaker 2: Imagine is you and now here's your radio, Reverend Bill Cruise.
Speaker 3: When I will.
Speaker 4: A great, big, warm welcome to your Sunday Night family. You, yes, you,
Speaker 4: you really are welcome here and we're all together on air,
Speaker 4: on digital and online. So come on call in now,
Speaker 4: call in and share with us on one three one
Speaker 4: eight seven three. Coming up, we'll be talking to Leoni Sheedy,
Speaker 4: the co founder and CEO of care Leavers Australasia Network,
Speaker 4: who are about to celebrate twenty five years of service
Speaker 4: to the community. And later this hour p Wee Wilson,
Speaker 4: the founding member of the Dell Tones, joins us. After
Speaker 4: ten I'm joined in the Netherlands by doctor Philip Nitsky
Speaker 4: about voluntary assisted dying, pushing boundaries and the new role
Speaker 4: for AI. And in our last hour, we'll talk to
Speaker 4: Nick Brown, the CEO of Street Side Medics, which is
Speaker 4: a not for profit delivering a free GP led mobile
Speaker 4: medical service to people experiencing homelessness. Well Rahan has threatened
Speaker 4: to use all forced needed to defend itself after the
Speaker 4: United States President Donald Trump ordered American aircraft to bomb
Speaker 4: three Iranian nucleo Sytes in what he called a spectacular
Speaker 4: military success and historic moment for the world.
Speaker 5: A short time ago, the US military carried out massive
Speaker 5: precision strikes on the three key nuclear facilities. Our objective
Speaker 5: was the destruction of irans nuclear enrichment capacity and a
Speaker 5: stop to the nuclear threat posed by the world's number
Speaker 5: one state sponsor of terror. Tonight, I can report to
Speaker 5: the world that the strikes were a spectacular military success.
Speaker 5: Iran's key nuclear and Richmond facilities have been completely and
Speaker 5: totally obliterated around the bully of the Middle East must
Speaker 5: now make peace. If they do not, future attacks would
Speaker 5: be far greater and a lot easier.
Speaker 4: Global leaders feared Trump's major intervention in the conflict would
Speaker 4: further destayed the Middle East. As the President warned, Iran
Speaker 4: must make peace or face further attack. The Iranian Foreign
Speaker 4: ministry accused the US of criminal aggression and urged the
Speaker 4: United Nations to respond. A summit in Geneva yesterday with
Speaker 4: the Iran's foreign minister and European leaders yielded no signs
Speaker 4: of a breakthrough. The death told from Israel's attacks on
Speaker 4: Iran has risen to more than four hundred, including many
Speaker 4: women and children. At least twenty four people have been
Speaker 4: killed in Iranian attacks on Israel. Come on, we do
Speaker 4: you reckon? This is all going? Is America's participation in
Speaker 4: the war to be a good or a bad thing?
Speaker 4: How important is it to strip Iran of its nuclear capabilities?
Speaker 4: Is it possible that the Iranian regime might collapse? And
Speaker 4: what would that mean for Putin and Russia if they
Speaker 4: lose a key strategic partner. Is it possible that the
Speaker 4: conflict might spread if other countries become involved? How could
Speaker 4: Australia become involved as one of America's leading allies. The
Speaker 4: Australian government has released a statement calling for de escalation
Speaker 4: of the Middle East and acknowledging the risk post by
Speaker 4: Iran's nuclear program, in which it did not endorse the
Speaker 4: United States strikes. The Australian government has released a statement
Speaker 4: calling for de escalation of the Middle East and acknowledging
Speaker 4: the risk post by Iran's nuclear program, in which it
Speaker 4: did not endorse the United States strikes. Do you reckon
Speaker 4: the government's got it right? Your thoughts on the Israeli
Speaker 4: Iran conflict and how the US is involved and where
Speaker 4: you think it's all headed? One, three, one, eight, seven three,
Speaker 4: and earlier this month, a pedestrian in Perth tragically died
Speaker 4: after being struck by an e scooter. This followed the
Speaker 4: death of another person Victoria last month who were sit
Speaker 4: and killed by a modified e bike which police alleged
Speaker 4: could travel at ninety kilometers per hour. At least two
Speaker 4: patients per day, that so many people. Just one major
Speaker 4: emergency hospital in Queensland is treating due to an alarming
Speaker 4: rise in east scooter accidents. The injuries are so complex,
Speaker 4: so severe, patients are being assessed just like high speed
Speaker 4: car crash victims. This is what Dr Michael Kane, had
Speaker 4: a public policy at the RACQ, had to say about
Speaker 4: the problem.
Speaker 6: Well, what we've seen in Queensland over the last six
Speaker 6: years is six three hundred people admitted to Queensland emergency
Speaker 6: departments and tragically we have seen fifteen people being killed
Speaker 6: in the last two and a half years alone. And
Speaker 6: what we're also seeing, which is terrible, is that people
Speaker 6: who are not dying or are not receiving brain injuries
Speaker 6: are than receiving major facial injuries. These are life changing
Speaker 6: injuries for people.
Speaker 4: Now a crackdown could see stand up scooters band and
Speaker 4: modified device has seized. Here's what doctor Kaine says needs
Speaker 4: to be done well.
Speaker 6: The RACQ is asking for the impounding of what are
Speaker 6: illegal e scooters and e bikes. Some of these e
Speaker 6: scooters go up to one hundred and ten kmeters an hour.
Speaker 6: That's not a scooter, that's a vehicle. Mopeds are only
Speaker 6: allowed to go up to fifty We also want to
Speaker 6: see on legal stand up e scooters that you wear
Speaker 6: a full face helmet and the scheme scooters the highest
Speaker 6: scooters that we see across a number of Australian cities.
Speaker 6: We want those scooters to be sit down e scooters
Speaker 6: because they're much safer. We also want to see money
Speaker 6: invested in our separated pathways because e scooters and e
Speaker 6: bikes do have a positive and they do help us
Speaker 6: address congestions, so we need to invest more in the
Speaker 6: pathway infrastructure.
Speaker 4: Meanwhile, New South Wales is looking to legalize the scooters
Speaker 4: under a new safety framework. So what are your thoughts
Speaker 4: on e bikes and e scooters. Do you think the
Speaker 4: many benefits of e bikes and e scooters outweigh the
Speaker 4: problems Have you personally had any problems with them on footpaths.
Speaker 4: Should there be limits on how fast these vehicles can travel?
Speaker 4: Would a licensing of users or registration of e bikes
Speaker 4: and e scooters be a good idea? Does the federal
Speaker 4: government have a clear role to play in stemming the
Speaker 4: endpoint of e bikes and e scooters that exceed the
Speaker 4: legal limits for public use in Australia? Should local government
Speaker 4: and road authorities have the power to declare areas where
Speaker 4: footpath riding is not permitted. Even though e bikes and
Speaker 4: e scooters have many benefits, such as improving urban accessibility
Speaker 4: and giving people scope to reduce or even eliminate carbon
Speaker 4: emitting car use, do those examples highlight their associated risks?
Speaker 4: What about displaying speed limits for e bikes and e
Speaker 4: scooters using radar guns as is already done in Queensland
Speaker 4: and issuing fines We're appropriate Your thoughts on the current
Speaker 4: debate about e bikes and e scooters and their place
Speaker 4: in the community one three, one eight seven three And
Speaker 4: because we got peewee coming up, I thought we should
Speaker 4: play this.
Speaker 7: When I was a little boy, my daddy used to
Speaker 7: see it on me.
Speaker 8: So we got a lot of bigger plans and a
Speaker 8: lot of hard work to be done. Go get your marbles,
Speaker 8: put them in the house, tear down your castles in
Speaker 8: the sand, Come with your pappy.
Speaker 9: Two of the match.
Speaker 10: Gettle little dirt on your hands.
Speaker 11: Get a little dirt on your hands, boy, get a
Speaker 11: little dirt on your hand.
Speaker 7: If you want to crow up to be a big
Speaker 7: big man.
Speaker 10: You gotta get a little dirt.
Speaker 3: On your hands.
Speaker 11: Tr to get a little dirt on your hand.
Speaker 7: Oh well, I got to be twenty, and I thought
Speaker 7: I was a pretty big wee. Left the country for
Speaker 7: the city. Made a sticker with a shade, he said,
Speaker 7: A hold of the tavern, drinkle the money, Run as
Speaker 7: fast as you can. If you gonna get along in
Speaker 7: this big, bad world, gotta.
Speaker 10: Kid a little there on your hand, Get.
Speaker 11: A little there on your hands, or get a little there.
Speaker 9: On your hand.
Speaker 7: Gonna crun up to be a big big man, you gotta.
Speaker 3: Get a little there on your hand.
Speaker 11: You gotta get a little dirt on your hand.
Speaker 4: Well, now it's four in the.
Speaker 10: Water and the warden is calling my name.
Speaker 7: Say he's teaching me a list and gonna send me after.
Speaker 3: Work in the head.
Speaker 8: Dig that ditch, boy, Chop that cold I gotta make
Speaker 8: you understand.
Speaker 7: Only way to straighten out a guy like you.
Speaker 10: Is to get a little. But if you're going a
Speaker 10: ground up to be a big, big.
Speaker 12: Man, you gotta little on your head.
Speaker 10: You gotta get a little. You gotta get a little.
Speaker 3: There you got.
Speaker 4: You, Tony, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 13: Evening, Bill good I can I just say, can I
Speaker 13: just say this, but the Iran and Iran American Israel
Speaker 13: going toward each other, I just say Trump and then
Speaker 13: you know they're a disgrace. They are. They are disgrace,
Speaker 13: biggest warmongers. But I'm not here to try. I'm not
Speaker 13: here to try and defend a round. But they're not aggressive.
Speaker 13: An Run didn't attack anyone. And there's no there's no
Speaker 13: actual proof that that's actually built, built it built any
Speaker 13: nuclear weapons. What American and Israel doing, it's an illegal
Speaker 13: act of aggression. If we're if you're Russia or China
Speaker 13: invading another country, well, well we'd be calling it out.
Speaker 13: The West would be calling it out. The West should
Speaker 13: be calling out what Israel in America are doing.
Speaker 4: So what's your solution?
Speaker 13: Well, Bill, you remember remember when Obama and you Run
Speaker 13: had that deal back ten years ago. Where if where
Speaker 13: you run drops drops the nuclear program in the West,
Speaker 13: stop Storb sanctions. We need to bring that back. Trumps
Speaker 13: scraped the whole thing. Look where we are now?
Speaker 4: Good point god Listian. Thanks for your call, Tony.
Speaker 1: Bill Gruz on Sunday night.
Speaker 4: Hi Steve, Welcome to the show mate.
Speaker 14: Yeah there you going look more take on it is this. Look,
Speaker 14: I'm a peaceful guy and I want place in the
Speaker 14: wall as everyone else does. There's you know, there's there's
Speaker 14: it's just a but the thing is, when you've got
Speaker 14: a religious group of not cases that want to just
Speaker 14: kill everyone else, you've got to take them out, you know,
Speaker 14: a blame Trump for doing that. You can't because because
Speaker 14: you know, they aren't predictable. Where there's there doesn't do
Speaker 14: because there's the hate in the you know, this has
Speaker 14: been having for a long time, the hate in them
Speaker 14: in their heads has been just jeweled into for thousands
Speaker 14: of years, and you can't. There's no way of stopping him,
Speaker 14: and there's no way of being able to control it
Speaker 14: unless you you've got to, you know, you know, not
Speaker 14: work them to have the power to do. You know,
Speaker 14: the Jewish people have got a tiny little bit of land.
Speaker 14: But the really I think it's about quarter the thoughts
Speaker 14: of Tasmania and they're not doing anything to anyone, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, The point though these isn't it. I can't
Speaker 4: work out why they want to enricheranium to sixty percent
Speaker 4: when it's way beyond if they keep saying, no, we're
Speaker 4: not doing it for to set to make a bomb.
Speaker 4: But you wouldn't need stuff that that strong to do
Speaker 4: things like that, you know, if you weren't going to
Speaker 4: make a bomb.
Speaker 14: So what are you What you're saying is is the
Speaker 14: r N needs need to be hit. No.
Speaker 4: What I'm saying is I don't think they were telling
Speaker 4: the truth. For one thing, I don't I might be
Speaker 4: wrong about that. And the other thing is that it's
Speaker 4: it's yeah, like if they're not telling the truth, how
Speaker 4: do you really know what's going on? I heard this
Speaker 4: stuff today that they're really into protecting the regime and
Speaker 4: make sure it stays, you know, make sure the regime
Speaker 4: keeps going well, and that that could be done by
Speaker 4: just dragging out and dragging out and saying, well, one
Speaker 4: day we may have a bomb or something like that.
Speaker 4: But it's difficult to know, and do you let people
Speaker 4: who are a threat have a bomb because they've been
Speaker 4: doing things like helping Russia and Ukraine and all of that.
Speaker 4: So it's not a not a good look, is it.
Speaker 14: Well it's tough a little bit. I mean we've got
Speaker 14: to you know, and I think I think Trump's done
Speaker 14: the right is just take it out and then get
Speaker 14: and get rid of the threat. You know, you can't
Speaker 14: have that that sort of you know, Americas, you know,
Speaker 14: as much as people don't like America and what reasons
Speaker 14: why I don't want America, but but you know, they've
Speaker 14: been pretty peaceful nation. I don't go around, you know,
Speaker 14: doing stuff to other people, you know where where where.
Speaker 14: We're pretty secular, even in Australia. But we've got to
Speaker 14: we were you know, when there's a bully and there's
Speaker 14: a threat, and there's in these people that have have
Speaker 14: mindless you know this this this will.
Speaker 4: It's scary, isn't it. And in lots of ways this
Speaker 4: will either be a master stroke a Trump or a mistake,
Speaker 4: wen't it. We won't know for a while.
Speaker 14: We won't but you know, look, I'll just running up
Speaker 14: Bill because you know, I just prefer you did that
Speaker 14: that he didn't. If you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Good mate, thanks for your call. Simon. Hello, Hello, Simon.
Speaker 15: Good a Reverend Cruse. Interest in regards to the mopeds
Speaker 15: or the scooters, Yes, I think they should keep him,
Speaker 15: but make sure they were a helmet, otherwise severe penalty.
Speaker 15: While the city's highly populated, it's it's quite handy to
Speaker 15: have a scooter.
Speaker 16: I would have thought.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 15: And the bigger picture for me, Reverend Cruise, is high
Speaker 15: speed rail out of the country areas get You know,
Speaker 15: the government won't spend the money because they don't have it,
Speaker 15: but I think it's something to be looked at down
Speaker 15: the track.
Speaker 4: Well, I know there are groups looking at it. There's
Speaker 4: there's a group been looking at Melbourne to Brisbane sort
Speaker 4: of thing and where it would go. But it'll cost
Speaker 4: billions of dollars.
Speaker 14: You know.
Speaker 15: They spend a lot of billions on other things, Reuben, They.
Speaker 4: Sure do, mate. I can think of a few maybe
Speaker 4: maybe not subs. You know we could do some of
Speaker 4: it with that, couldn't we. God God bless your Simon.
Speaker 4: But you think about the helmets, is right? I think
Speaker 4: everybody on something made her eyes like that. Everybody should
Speaker 4: have a helmet because it's just too dangerous and and
Speaker 4: all the poor people working upon the footpath they need
Speaker 4: to be safe too. I'd hate it that people walking
Speaker 4: on the footpath wud have to have helmets. But the
Speaker 4: way that things are going, you never know, do you.
Speaker 4: God bless you and thanks for your call.
Speaker 10: Mate.
Speaker 4: You probably heard the only Shedy, the co founder and
Speaker 4: CEO of care Leavers of Australia Network, many times over
Speaker 4: the years talking about the wonderful worker organization does to
Speaker 4: highlight the plight of children who were neglected or abused
Speaker 4: while in institutional care. And clan is about to celebrate
Speaker 4: twenty five years of service. So I've got over on
Speaker 4: the line, haven't I. Welcome to the program and congratulations
Speaker 4: on twenty five years Leoni.
Speaker 17: Thanks Bill, and you're very central to this story because
Speaker 17: you gave us two workers twenty five years ago and
Speaker 17: you allowed us to hold our first public meeting for
Speaker 17: state wards and home children at the time, and you know,
Speaker 17: we only had twenty two members, you know, the day
Speaker 17: before that meeting, and then three hundred and fifty people
Speaker 17: attended that first meeting.
Speaker 4: The church was full, Yes.
Speaker 17: It certainly was. They came from Cannes, Melbourne, Woollongong, all
Speaker 17: over New South Wales. Some people couldn't walk in your building,
Speaker 17: you know, Bill, I think you're aware of that because yes,
Speaker 17: because it was a church and they'd been so badly
Speaker 17: harmed by the churches of this country and they refuse
Speaker 17: to walk in there. So are very angry at us.
Speaker 4: So tell us about plan and the work you do
Speaker 4: so clan.
Speaker 17: You know, we publish a newsletter every month. We help
Speaker 17: with finding families. We help with getting access to records
Speaker 17: from the home they were in or the home records
Speaker 17: plus the government state ward files. People don't know that
Speaker 17: there's two lots of records. We help with having socials
Speaker 17: all around Australia. We help everybody, you know. We don't
Speaker 17: care the color of your eyes. If you grew up
Speaker 17: in an orphanage, children's home, mission or foster care, you're welcome.
Speaker 17: But we do we have to have a limit because
Speaker 17: we don't get any funding for the post nineteen nineties.
Speaker 17: This was established for older care leavers who have been
Speaker 17: left unsupported all their lives. We do assist those younger ones,
Speaker 17: but we have to have a limit of counseling sessions
Speaker 17: for them because we don't receive any government funding, and
Speaker 17: there's nobody helping those people that slip through the crack.
Speaker 4: There were tens of thousands, when't they off Australians placed
Speaker 4: in state and religious and charity run orphanages last century
Speaker 4: and halfway through this one.
Speaker 17: Well, the Senate Inquiry who did a report into children
Speaker 17: in institutional care State there were five hundred thousand Australians
Speaker 17: who were raised in the nine hundred plus orphanages, children's homes,
Speaker 17: missions reformatories, training ships, training schools. We don't really know
Speaker 17: how many. We really don't.
Speaker 4: And overall they were abusive, weren't they?
Speaker 17: They were not a n nice place to grow up
Speaker 17: in separate.
Speaker 4: I can't understand that. You know, you're thinking to be kind.
Speaker 17: People, wouldn't you, Well, you would think that, and there
Speaker 17: were some kind people that we have to acknowledge that.
Speaker 17: But you know, the kind people didn't last very long
Speaker 17: in the orphanages because they were the procedures and policies
Speaker 17: were so restrictive that people could people couldn't work under
Speaker 17: those conditions. And many people I've met in twenty five
Speaker 17: years people have told me, oh, my sister worked in
Speaker 17: a children's home, but she had a breakdown because what
Speaker 17: they were doing to the children.
Speaker 12: She had to leave.
Speaker 4: Now you were one, tell us about your experience.
Speaker 17: I'm one of seven Sheedy children, and we went to
Speaker 17: a total of twenty six Victorian orphanages and children's homes,
Speaker 17: and that doesn't count the number of holiday house that
Speaker 17: we were farmed out to. You know, one day, I remember,
Speaker 17: I've just put this all together, the bill, this is
Speaker 17: just a bit personal. Well, one day on a Saint
Speaker 17: Catherine's re union, I was in an orphanage, Catholic orphanage
Speaker 17: in Geelong, and the nun said to me, go over
Speaker 17: there and speak to your sister. I said, I don't
Speaker 17: have a sister here. She said, yes, you do, go
Speaker 17: over and say hello to your sister. I said, I
Speaker 17: don't have a sister here. She'd go over and say
Speaker 17: hello to your sister, Kathleen. I went over to this woman, Hello, Hello.
Speaker 17: I can't really remember. And that was the first and
Speaker 17: only time I saw her, and was on the twenty
Speaker 17: sixth of April nineteen sixty four. And the reason why
Speaker 17: I said, I've only put it together, Why did I
Speaker 17: answer that none like that? Well, because I did have
Speaker 17: sisters at Saint Catherine's but they had left, you know,
Speaker 17: prior to this other sister coming along and meeting me,
Speaker 17: my sisters had left and I was the only sheedy
Speaker 17: girl there. And so that's why I said to the nun,
Speaker 17: I don't have a sister here. But I only just thought,
Speaker 17: why did I answer her like that? And so that's sister.
Speaker 17: I've never saw her again. She's dead and.
Speaker 4: You know this is this is her real Now. On
Speaker 4: the Sister of July, you're having a special celebration of
Speaker 4: twenty five years of care Leavers Australia's network. What do
Speaker 4: you got planned?
Speaker 17: Well, we've got lawyers coming to tell people how they
Speaker 17: can get justice. We've got the National Redress Scheme from
Speaker 17: Camper coming, and we've got some people from the New
Speaker 17: South Wales hopefully the government coming. We've got Tanya Pleas,
Speaker 17: a big she she's now the Minister responsible for Social
Speaker 17: Services and Redress. She's attending. We've got Joanna speaking, Joanna Penglaize.
Speaker 17: We've got Jim Goddard, who is the chair of our
Speaker 17: sister organization, care Leavers Association in Manchester coming, Jim Ludy,
Speaker 17: our past president, Frank Golding, Joanna and we're launching a
Speaker 17: book called Meta Clanny and that's the personal stories of
Speaker 17: We've gathered those stories of careleavers who have literacy problems
Speaker 17: and we would interview them and write their stories up
Speaker 17: and that book is going to be very important. So
Speaker 17: we're launching that book. We've got a speaker on the
Speaker 17: Australian Orphanage Museum and we're hoping the Prime Minister will come.
Speaker 4: How do people find out about it? How do we
Speaker 4: get more information?
Speaker 17: They can go to Clan's website orw dot ww dot
Speaker 17: Clan cla n dot org dot au or go to
Speaker 17: ring the office on one eight hundred eight seven seventy
Speaker 17: four Bill the Prime. I was asked by my Federal
Speaker 17: member Richard marsh is a patron of clan and he
Speaker 17: said to me, Leoni is a Prime Minister of Australia.
Speaker 17: Ever come to a plan of I said no, never.
Speaker 17: He said, let's see what.
Speaker 18: We can do.
Speaker 4: Let's see what we can do. God bless you Leone
Speaker 4: and thanks for talking to us tonight.
Speaker 19: My pleasure.
Speaker 17: Thank you and you're going to be there, aren't you?
Speaker 14: Yep?
Speaker 4: Ruth is Leone's story your story? You ring me one
Speaker 4: three one eight seven three.
Speaker 1: You're listening to Sunday Night Crews.
Speaker 10: The malaboom.
Speaker 4: Ian. Pe Weee Wilson is the founding member of the Deltones.
Speaker 4: He formed the del Tones in ninety fifty eight along
Speaker 4: with Noel Widerberg, Warren Lucas and Brian Perkins. Now I'm
Speaker 4: really thrilled and I'm honored to say I got pee Wee.
Speaker 4: You's agreed to chat with us tonight. Good a mate,
Speaker 4: Good to talk to you. I love the story of
Speaker 4: how you guys started out. You grew up on the
Speaker 4: beaches Eastern suburbs of Sydney, joined Bronnie Surfclife Saving Club
Speaker 4: as a team, found yourself harmonizing some lines with a
Speaker 4: couple of blokes in the bathroom. That's how it all started.
Speaker 14: That's probably some of that love made. At that time.
Speaker 14: There was a record out called Looking for an Echo,
Speaker 14: done by a doop group called Quosed, and we thought
Speaker 14: it was marvelous. Well what are they talking about? But
Speaker 14: we found out in the shower room of the Bronnie
Speaker 14: Surf Club it just was a lovely sound for four
Speaker 14: part harmony. So that's pretty all they how it all started.
Speaker 4: So you wouldn't have imagined it had gone for five decades,
Speaker 4: would you.
Speaker 14: As a matter of fact, we thought it was going
Speaker 14: to go for five weeks. I don't know, it was.
Speaker 20: It was sort of such a thrilling time at that time.
Speaker 20: But it didn't stop us from giving up our jobs
Speaker 20: and getting back on jetting on the road. It we
Speaker 20: didn't suffer at all from any any but in fact,
Speaker 20: we tossed our jobs in Bill after about six weeks
Speaker 20: of harmonizing and it was just such a current and
Speaker 20: wonderful time.
Speaker 4: So how did that original Dell Tones lineup get together
Speaker 4: just in the Surf Club?
Speaker 20: Well, you know, there was a confidence that the marbous
Speaker 20: cole Joy was was doing a dance at the Surf
Speaker 20: Club and Warren Lucas was in the audience of that
Speaker 20: that night, and Warren was a member of the Presence,
Speaker 20: another vocal group, so we poached him and came into
Speaker 20: the room, and also Brian Perkins who was a member
Speaker 20: of the Teddy Bears. So we poached these two guys,
Speaker 20: took them into the into the shower room and broke
Speaker 20: into four part harmony, and we knew right away then
Speaker 20: this was this was the go This is what we
Speaker 20: wanted to do, and that's how it very well started.
Speaker 4: How did you guys know four part harmony? Had you
Speaker 4: done it at school or something?
Speaker 14: No?
Speaker 20: We had that was quite I was actually harmonizing the
Speaker 20: duet with Noel Weiderberg. And Noel was was quite a musician,
Speaker 20: a wonderful pianout player, the late Noel Waderburg, a wonderful
Speaker 20: pouan found a player, and he also knew a lot
Speaker 20: about harmonies, and he was the driving force when we
Speaker 20: started off. He seemed to know all about it, and
Speaker 20: we just followed his lead.
Speaker 4: So is it true you were discovered by Bob Rogers?
Speaker 20: Yes, we did, as a matter of fact, Bob with
Speaker 20: the coptic at the time, and there was no security
Speaker 20: on the door in those days, so we just sort
Speaker 20: of burst into the studio and between records we started
Speaker 20: to harmonize a song that Noel had written, called Why,
Speaker 20: and he listened to the half of song and put
Speaker 20: his hand up and said, thank you, that he'll do,
Speaker 20: and then got straight on the phone to Lee Gordon,
Speaker 20: the big promoter in those days, and he had Johnny
Speaker 20: O'Keefe in his office with him, and I remember Bob
Speaker 20: saying to Lee Gordon I've got your vocal group here
Speaker 20: to do the backups for Johnny O'Keefe, And we were
Speaker 20: thrilled right right away because Johnny was rising star in
Speaker 20: those days. So I went along to the office and
Speaker 20: Johnny gave him gave us half a dozen of his
Speaker 20: hits and we took them my home and learned them,
Speaker 20: and the next thing we knew, Bill, we were on
Speaker 20: the stadium kind of four or five thousand kids and
Speaker 20: just just doing our own set and also doing the
Speaker 20: backups for the late great Johnny o'keef.
Speaker 4: So do you remember your first gig ever?
Speaker 14: Ah, that's I don't remember the last year my re member,
Speaker 14: it's not all that good, but I do remember that
Speaker 14: in those early days, we were traveling around doing the
Speaker 14: hotels and doing the doing the talent quizts, so there
Speaker 14: was quite a few gigs, but our first major, first
Speaker 14: major gig was the Sydney Stadium on the stage there
Speaker 14: with Johnny o'keeve.
Speaker 4: So your first single, why it came out in nineteen
Speaker 4: fifty nine? Was it difficult getting the contract to do that?
Speaker 14: Lee Gordon also had his own record label called le
Speaker 14: Don and so we recorded for Lee Golden and put
Speaker 14: down g and Y and it was released and it
Speaker 14: languished about fifteen on the charts. It wasn't a major
Speaker 14: hit for us, but enough to get our foot into
Speaker 14: the recording business. And then we went on to have
Speaker 14: some hits after that and a few albums.
Speaker 4: Now, the surf music craze in Australia at that time.
Speaker 4: It was a magic time, wasn't it.
Speaker 20: You know, it was quite being member of the surf club.
Speaker 20: We were riding our boards and surfing and there was
Speaker 20: no well what we call it. There was no other movement.
Speaker 20: The surfing movement hadn't begun. But when the movie Gidget
Speaker 20: came out, it just changed everything. And that movie just
Speaker 20: just ordered the whole world seemed to turn up to
Speaker 20: surf music and we were doing songs like Hanging five
Speaker 20: and out the Back and it was quite quite a
Speaker 20: thrilling time.
Speaker 4: Now, in nineteen sixty two, get a little dirt on
Speaker 4: your hands. I remember that, and I remember Arl Widerberg
Speaker 4: being killed. That was almost a launch into international fame,
Speaker 4: wasn't it.
Speaker 20: Yes, that was a terrible, terrible time for us. We
Speaker 20: we languished for a while thinking that this was the
Speaker 20: end of our career, but was Yderberg family, and from
Speaker 20: from our from our family and friends, and generally the
Speaker 20: business wanted us to carry on. So we recruited Cole
Speaker 20: Lucklan and Cole came in with us, and then we
Speaker 20: had come a little bit closer.
Speaker 4: But it must have been a sad time trying to
Speaker 4: sing and keep going with all.
Speaker 21: That it was.
Speaker 20: It was a terrible time, and and it was our
Speaker 20: first real pop tragedy, you know it was it was.
Speaker 20: It took everybody by. It was so upsetting that, as
Speaker 20: I said, I thought, I thought our career was over
Speaker 20: because he was such a driving force, and I often
Speaker 20: think just where we would have gone if he had lived,
Speaker 20: and because he was the leader of the band and
Speaker 20: and and the arranger for all the harmonies and so forth.
Speaker 20: Was a big hole left there. But Cole Lockton did
Speaker 20: quite well.
Speaker 4: Well, you did come a little bit close. So that
Speaker 4: was a massive hit, wasn't it.
Speaker 20: Probably the biggest self about that it was. It was
Speaker 20: written by the famous songwriting team, the American songwriting team
Speaker 20: Jerry Lieber and Mike Stoller, who had myriad of hits,
Speaker 20: and we were just lucky to have this land on
Speaker 20: our on our on our table at the at Festival
Speaker 20: Records and we put that down and it was quite
Speaker 20: different from the original recording that they put down, but
Speaker 20: it turned out to be a hit for us and
Speaker 20: we were very very grateful.
Speaker 4: Now, you and Carla, you've been together all these years, mate.
Speaker 4: You found her at the play cup Boy Club, did you.
Speaker 14: Yes, we were working at the Playboy Club in London
Speaker 14: and we had a six week stint there at the club,
Speaker 14: which was very happy with and that's where I fell
Speaker 14: in love with Carla was she was such a beauty
Speaker 14: and we've spent twelve months together in London. Back we
Speaker 14: came back after appearians on television and doing some shows
Speaker 14: and troubling through Europe, we came back and I asked
Speaker 14: her to come and join me here in which thank
Speaker 14: god she did because she took over the management of
Speaker 14: the Deltaynes and she managed it for fifty years. So
Speaker 14: that was a was a great, great, great arrangement. It's
Speaker 14: terrific to have no manager. The manager in the family
Speaker 14: and you together.
Speaker 4: You moved to a farm near buck Aheads.
Speaker 20: Yeah, we dropped out. We had at what you would
Speaker 20: call it but a flash of insight. We thought this
Speaker 20: is no good this, this, this, this, we should be
Speaker 20: doing something worthwhile, and so we took ourselves up to
Speaker 20: a farm up on the mid North Coast and we
Speaker 20: actually grew crops. We actually grew road crops, Wallermelons, rockbellans,
Speaker 20: and we sold them beside the road there. It was
Speaker 20: an exciting period for us, but we didn't fully embrace
Speaker 20: the hippie ethos we we we just couldn't quite quite group.
Speaker 20: Plenty of hair plenty there, but that was about it.
Speaker 20: But we lasted a few years up there. But the
Speaker 20: call of the smell of the crowd and the roar
Speaker 20: of the grease painted sort of brought us back in
Speaker 20: the touring again.
Speaker 4: Because in the eighties you had that big album Bop
Speaker 4: Till You Dropped, didn't.
Speaker 20: She Yes, that was a big surprise as a matter
Speaker 20: of fact. It was just a recording of our live performance,
Speaker 20: all the songs that we did in our live performance,
Speaker 20: and we coupled that with k Tell that was going
Speaker 20: very well at the time. You might remember k Tell.
Speaker 20: It had a lot of different recordings and lots of
Speaker 20: different products out, but they put out the record and
Speaker 20: it shot up to number two. It was number two
Speaker 20: behind Michael Jackson's thriller, and we're pretty thrilled about it
Speaker 20: because we didn't expect it to go anywhere. It was
Speaker 20: such a surprise. But it was a full blown revival
Speaker 20: after that, and we started to do shows like Hey,
Speaker 20: heyt Saturday, and The Mic World Show and a lot
Speaker 20: of television. So it put us back on the map again.
Speaker 4: Because you banned it last until twenty sixteen, The del Towns.
Speaker 20: What's its secret, Well, it's doing a real job, Bill,
Speaker 20: That was That was the thing that frighten us.
Speaker 4: We thought that we.
Speaker 20: Couldn't possibly do a real job. But it was a
Speaker 20: wonderful fifty years and we did a lot of touring,
Speaker 20: a lot of touring at that time, but it was
Speaker 20: we got a bit tired. I got particularly tired of touring.
Speaker 20: I love the performance, I love doing the show. It
Speaker 20: was fantastic, but it started to get me down a bit,
Speaker 20: so we thought we'd call it a day. I haven't
Speaker 20: thought about whether we'll come back.
Speaker 14: Together or not. There is some pressure to do that,
Speaker 14: but we'll wait and see see what happens.
Speaker 4: So what's life like for you now, mate in twenty
Speaker 4: twenty five, Well.
Speaker 20: It's very relaxing, Bill, I can tell you. I'm up
Speaker 20: here on the on the sunshine case. It's a Queensland
Speaker 20: and I'm just sort of laid back. I've got about
Speaker 20: an acre of vegetables and and and lots of lots
Speaker 20: of stuff to do around the farm, and I'm enjoying
Speaker 20: that thoroughly. And I've got no inclands at the moment
Speaker 20: to get back on the road. I'm enjoying life after all.
Speaker 20: The line you know I'm getting on now made of
Speaker 20: eighty five's.
Speaker 4: It's it's getting on Australian music legend. Pee weee Wilson.
Speaker 4: We're kind to have to wrap up with Come a
Speaker 4: little bit closer and it's been such a lovely thing
Speaker 4: to talk with you tonight, mate, God bless you, Thank
Speaker 4: you very much, Thank you bye.
Speaker 10: Come a little bit closer and you will see I
Speaker 10: was meant for you.
Speaker 9: And you were then me ladro sy.
Speaker 14: O.
Speaker 7: Theford can fade and lie on for rever sometimes runs dry.
Speaker 10: A style of blue can turn to gray.
Speaker 4: One mana for you.
Speaker 9: Is here to stay.
Speaker 3: Come a little b closer and you will see.
Speaker 14: I meant you, dear, and you.
Speaker 3: Were meant for me.
Speaker 9: Lenana grows donger and mes no bar Lena, La last
Speaker 9: long and.
Speaker 10: The stars in the sky.
Speaker 16: So be my love and I'll be two.
Speaker 9: Darling forever.
Speaker 4: I'm cherish you.
Speaker 10: You'll share my dream, You'll share my mind, and come
Speaker 10: with me.
Speaker 4: We'll never fall.
Speaker 22: Come a little bit closer and you will see you
Speaker 22: see I was before you, and you were meant for me.
Speaker 9: Let Alla grow stronger and he is going fine.
Speaker 22: Let a love last long Na, stars in the sky.
Speaker 22: Come a little bit closer. Come a little bit glow, Wsir.
Speaker 3: Come a little bit closer.
Speaker 9: Come a little bit glow, sir, Come a little bit closer.
Speaker 4: You got any memories of the dell Tounds? See him perform?
Speaker 4: Heard their music? Ring me one three one eight seven
Speaker 4: three your name.
Speaker 11: If you gonna craw up to be a man, you
Speaker 11: gotta kill a little there on your head.
Speaker 10: A little there. You gotta kill a little head, start
Speaker 10: a little.
Speaker 3: Imagine people.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Sunday Night. Cruise with your ready a
Speaker 1: reverend Bill Cruise.
Speaker 4: Welcome back to listener, Welcome back, Coming up. I'm joined
Speaker 4: in the Netherlands by doctor Philip Nitsky about voluntary assisted dying,
Speaker 4: pushing boundaries and the new role for AI and in
Speaker 4: the last hour, we'll talk to Nick Brown, the CEO
Speaker 4: of Streetside Meddix, which is a not for profit delivering
Speaker 4: a free gp led mobile medical service to people experiencing homelessness. Well.
Speaker 4: Iran has threatened to use all force needed to defend
Speaker 4: itself after the United States President Donald Trump ordered American
Speaker 4: aircraft to bomb three Iranian nuclear sites in what he
Speaker 4: called a spectacular military success and historic moment for the world.
Speaker 5: A short time ago, the US military carried out massive
Speaker 5: precision strikes on the three key nuclear facilities. Our objective
Speaker 5: was the destruction of irans nuclear and richment capacity and
Speaker 5: a stop to the nuclear threat posed by the world's
Speaker 5: number one state sponsor of terror denied. I can report
Speaker 5: to the world that the strikes were a spectacular military success.
Speaker 5: Iran's key nuclear and Richmond facilities have been completely and
Speaker 5: totally obliterated around a bully of the Middle East must
Speaker 5: now make peace. If they do not, future attacks would
Speaker 5: be far greater and a lot easier.
Speaker 4: Global leaders feared Trump's major intervention in the conflict would
Speaker 4: further destabilize the Middle East. As the President warned, Iran
Speaker 4: must make peace or face further attack. The Iranian foreign
Speaker 4: ministry accused the US of criminal aggression and urged the
Speaker 4: United Nations to respond. A summit in Geneva yesterday with
Speaker 4: the Iran's foreign minister and European leaders yielded no signs
Speaker 4: of a breakthrough. The death toll from Israel's attacks on
Speaker 4: Iran has risen to more than four hundred, including many
Speaker 4: women and children. At least twenty four people have been
Speaker 4: killed in Iranian attacks on Israel. Come on, we do
Speaker 4: you reckon? This is all going? Is America's participation in
Speaker 4: the war to be a good or a bad thing?
Speaker 4: How important is it to strip Iran of its nuclear capabilities?
Speaker 4: Is it possible that the Iranian regime might collapse? And
Speaker 4: what would that mean for Putin and Russia if they
Speaker 4: lose a key strategic partner. Is it possible that the
Speaker 4: conflict might spread if other countries become involved? How could
Speaker 4: Australia become involved? As one of America's leading allies. The
Speaker 4: Australian government has released a statement calling for de escalation
Speaker 4: of the Middle East and acknowledging the risk post by
Speaker 4: Iran's nuclear program, in which it did not endorse the
Speaker 4: United States strikes. The Australian government has released a statement
Speaker 4: calling for de escalation of the Middle East and acknowledging
Speaker 4: the risk post by Iran's nuclear program, in which it
Speaker 4: did not endorse the United States strikes. Do you reckon
Speaker 4: the government's got it right? Your thoughts on the Israeli
Speaker 4: Iran conflict and how the US is involved and where
Speaker 4: you think it's all headed? One three, one eight seven
Speaker 4: three And earlier this month, a pedestrian in Perth tragically
Speaker 4: died after being struck by an e scooter. This followed
Speaker 4: the death of another person in Victoria last month who
Speaker 4: was sitting and killed by a modified e bike, which
Speaker 4: police alleged could travel at ninety kilometers per hour. At
Speaker 4: least two patients per day, that so many people. Just
Speaker 4: one major emergency hospital in Queensland is treating due to
Speaker 4: an alarming rise in e scooter accidents. The injuries are
Speaker 4: so complex, so severe, patients are being assessed just like
Speaker 4: high speed car crash victims. This is what Dr Michael Kane,
Speaker 4: had a public policy at the RACQ, had to say
Speaker 4: about the problem.
Speaker 6: Well, what we've seen in Queensland over the last six
Speaker 6: years is six three hundred people admitted to Queensland emergency
Speaker 6: departments and tragically we have seen fifteen people being killed
Speaker 6: in the last two and a half years alone. And
Speaker 6: what we're also seeing, which is terrible, is that people
Speaker 6: who are not dying or are not receiving brain injuries,
Speaker 6: are receiving major facial injuries. These are life changing injuries
Speaker 6: for people.
Speaker 4: Now a crackdown could see stand up scooters, band and
Speaker 4: modified device has seized. Here's what Dr Kaine says needs
Speaker 4: to be done well.
Speaker 6: The RACQ is asking for the impounding of what are
Speaker 6: illegal e scooters and e banks. Some of these e
Speaker 6: scooters go up to one hundred and ten comes an hour.
Speaker 6: That's not a scooter, that's a vehicle. Mopeds are only
Speaker 6: allowed to go up to fifty. We also want to
Speaker 6: see on legal stand up e scooters that you wear
Speaker 6: a full face helmet and the scheme scooters the highest
Speaker 6: scooters that we see across a number of Australian cities.
Speaker 6: We want those scooters to be sit down e scooters
Speaker 6: because they're much safer. We also want to see money
Speaker 6: invested in our separated pathways because e scooters and e
Speaker 6: bikes do have a positives and they do help us
Speaker 6: address congestions, so we need to invest more in the
Speaker 6: pathway infrastructure.
Speaker 4: Meanwhile, New South Wales is looking to legalize the scooters
Speaker 4: under a new safety framework. So what are your thoughts
Speaker 4: on e bikes and e scooters? Do you think the
Speaker 4: many benefits of e bikes and e scooters outweigh the problems?
Speaker 4: Have you personally had any problems with them on footpaths?
Speaker 4: Should there be limits on how fast these vehicles can travel?
Speaker 4: Would a licensing of users or registration of e bikes
Speaker 4: and e scooters be a good idea? Does the federal
Speaker 4: government have a clear role to play in stemming the
Speaker 4: endpoint of e bikes and e scooters that exceed the
Speaker 4: legal limits for public use in Australia? Should local women
Speaker 4: and road authorities have the power to declare areas where
Speaker 4: footpath riding is not permitted. Even though e bikes and
Speaker 4: e scooters are many benefits, such as improving urban accessibility
Speaker 4: and giving people scope to reduce or even eliminate carbon
Speaker 4: emitting car use, do those examples highlight their associated risks?
Speaker 4: What about displaying speed limits for e bikes and e
Speaker 4: scooters using radar guns, as is already done in Queensland
Speaker 4: and issuing fines where appropriate. Your thoughts on the current
Speaker 4: debate about e bikes and e scooters and their place
Speaker 4: in the community. One three, one eight seven three. During
Speaker 4: the week I went all the way out to Peak
Speaker 4: Hill to attend the funeral of Anti Roy. Now Auntie
Speaker 4: Moronda was an incredible Indigenous woman who, with our help
Speaker 4: and everything, delivered thousands of hampers all over western New
Speaker 4: South Wales, everywhere from Burke to Broken Hill to Bear
Speaker 4: and you name it. Our hampers went there through her.
Speaker 4: A lovely, lovely lady, Indigenous lady, wonderful person right born
Speaker 4: in a tin hut at the back of Peak Hill
Speaker 4: Hospital because Indigenous people weren't allowed to give birth in
Speaker 4: the hospital. Just think of that, Just think of that.
Speaker 4: Outrageous At a funeral, what other song would they play
Speaker 4: but Archie Roach's Charcoal Lane.
Speaker 23: Tabasas we walk along to the end of good Tree
Speaker 23: Street and we'd popole and mustard for a food for wine.
Speaker 10: All then ride rong.
Speaker 14: In the cold and then the heat.
Speaker 4: We'd cross over the Smith Street to the gas over.
Speaker 3: Then we'd love and.
Speaker 10: Say do anything to take away the thing, trying.
Speaker 9: To cep it down as it first went down.
Speaker 21: In chocoal Land, spending y'all telling jokes.
Speaker 23: Now the wine it's tasting goods, ga bolster.
Speaker 10: And poser to its hands.
Speaker 14: Have a set and roll some smokes.
Speaker 4: We'd smoked tailor maids if we put it, but we
Speaker 4: just made.
Speaker 10: With Some cities were playing.
Speaker 23: Then well chocolate again and we started together.
Speaker 14: When we had enough to do the game.
Speaker 4: By their things out tid.
Speaker 23: Then we had to buy.
Speaker 21: Foo chocoold Lane.
Speaker 4: Our Gutr Street.
Speaker 10: We'd walk once more.
Speaker 14: We'd just a few sand.
Speaker 24: Store and we'd stopped at the belt and to see.
Speaker 23: And we fight her around until the store a flag
Speaker 23: and all back william Sport.
Speaker 3: Enough you can go away out.
Speaker 4: And we don get jog also driving and maybe your
Speaker 4: little linsing.
Speaker 9: And we started home all long.
Speaker 4: Stay we do it again. Have a reviver.
Speaker 14: In charcoal Man, I must survivor of charcoal Man.
Speaker 4: Always brings tears to my eyes. That song Heather welcome
Speaker 4: to show.
Speaker 25: Hi Ah, Bill, thank you for letting me speak.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 25: That song really got to me.
Speaker 14: Bill.
Speaker 25: It certainly did reminds me so much of our childhood's
Speaker 25: former state.
Speaker 19: Wards.
Speaker 25: Look Bill, I'd like to say a bit more about
Speaker 25: the one Sheety and clan. Yes, Leonie. Without Leone, we
Speaker 25: would never have had the Royal Commission. Leone pushed and
Speaker 25: pushed and pushed. There were others as well, but she
Speaker 25: was the main person. And people kept saying, you'll never
Speaker 25: get it, you'll never get it, it won't happen. Well
Speaker 25: it did happen. And Bill, when Julie Gillard announced that
Speaker 25: there was going to be a raw Commission, my heart
Speaker 25: gladdened for all the terrible suffering that children have gone through.
Speaker 26: But then.
Speaker 25: I read the terms of reference, and Bill I cried
Speaker 25: and cried for days, and I thought about children like
Speaker 25: little four year old Johnny. He was a state ward
Speaker 25: given to live with a foster mother who beat him
Speaker 25: so badly, Bill, he was hospitalized for weeks, and then
Speaker 25: the government sent him back to her, and in her
Speaker 25: you could never believe what she did. She put his
Speaker 25: little face up against the flame on a gas burner.
Speaker 25: I mean, I cried so many tears for children like Bill.
Speaker 4: Imagine people being that cruel? Can you.
Speaker 14: No no to?
Speaker 25: Children have fakes? My heart? You know, I can't watch
Speaker 25: it anymore.
Speaker 4: And people say, oh, people say, oh, that didn't happen.
Speaker 4: But it did.
Speaker 25: Of course it happened. And governments right across Australia, right
Speaker 25: around the world, they know that these things happen and
Speaker 25: they've turned a blind eye. But I'll tell you one thing,
Speaker 25: Clan will never never give up. I think, Bill, there
Speaker 25: are true stolen generations in this country. We have the
Speaker 25: Aboriginal stolen generation, and look, I congratulate them for the
Speaker 25: work that they've done and how sigh they've come. But
Speaker 25: we also have the White stolen generation, and it's not recognized.
Speaker 25: And it is the fact built we have two stolen generations,
Speaker 25: and the White stolen generation is not being recognized now
Speaker 25: because the aftermath of the Royal Commission was only dealing
Speaker 25: with sexual abuse and not the physical, the psychological damage,
Speaker 25: the damage that's passed on through families as it is
Speaker 25: in the Aboriginal community as well, that is not being
Speaker 25: recognized at all. And now we find ourselves fighting with governments,
Speaker 25: state governments, trying to get redressed for these they were children,
Speaker 25: for these children that suffered terribly. And you know, in
Speaker 25: Victoria they have a redress supposedly have a Victorian historical
Speaker 25: redress scheme running now that was opened in December with clan.
Speaker 25: So far clan has done I think it's around eighty
Speaker 25: eight applications for people. There's only one it's been paid
Speaker 25: in all that time.
Speaker 4: Yea, Heather, will you.
Speaker 25: Be speak to us. We don't know why this is happening.
Speaker 25: What you know and it's only they give allow up
Speaker 25: to up to twenty thousand dollars for these people that's
Speaker 25: suffered terribly, Heather, it's so wrong.
Speaker 4: Heather. Will you be at the twenty fifth anniversary?
Speaker 25: I certainly will be.
Speaker 4: Yes, Yes, let's have a chat, Dylan, Let's have it ch.
Speaker 4: God bless you, God bless you, and thank you so
Speaker 4: much for your call.
Speaker 1: Australia's favorite Sunday night radio Bill Cruise.
Speaker 15: Ge.
Speaker 4: You never know who's listening. Do you got this message? Obil?
Speaker 4: I know Auntie Roonda. This news makes me sad. I
Speaker 4: knew her as I engaged her to do Welcome to
Speaker 4: Country for Inland Rail job. I came to know her
Speaker 4: will She was indeed a lovely beautiful woman. I had
Speaker 4: no idea she was connected to you. She always finished
Speaker 4: her text to me with a black love heart. So
Speaker 4: thanks for remembering her and he is to Auntie Rhonda.
Speaker 4: God bless youronda, God bless you. Let's go to Jack.
Speaker 14: Hello Jack, Hi, Bill? Oh?
Speaker 4: Are you made good? Thank you?
Speaker 14: Yeah?
Speaker 12: I want to talk about that Iran thing, all right?
Speaker 4: Yes, no, no, the.
Speaker 12: Russians they went into Ukraine. Okay, big deal. You know
Speaker 12: everybody's screams around. Now these Vadis they go into Iran
Speaker 12: and the Americans go into Iran. So what does tell us?
Speaker 14: I mean, what kind of.
Speaker 12: Wall models as as leaders? There's an international law. You
Speaker 12: know you cannot simply invader county.
Speaker 4: But what alternative could they do? Jack?
Speaker 14: What do you mean?
Speaker 16: Bill?
Speaker 4: Well, if Iran's got atomic bombs, what do you do?
Speaker 12: But I haven't got it there. It's like you remember
Speaker 12: the the Iraq weapons of mass You know that, you
Speaker 12: remember that. I don't need to talk about that door
Speaker 12: It would.
Speaker 14: Be esth might.
Speaker 12: So what's going on?
Speaker 14: Man?
Speaker 12: You tell me what's the world become to? You know,
Speaker 12: it's run by the damons, by the devil.
Speaker 4: Most likely, mate, most likely. God bless and thanks for
Speaker 4: your call. Peter. Hello, Hello, Peter, Oh hello, hello, Look
Speaker 4: you got a minute, darling, you got a minute in
Speaker 4: a bit.
Speaker 24: I'm very anti the executions because I'm legally blind and
Speaker 24: hearing impaireds, So like, I don't need them coming up
Speaker 24: in behind me. And also if they're there in like
Speaker 24: just anywhere I cannot see them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So what what do you reckon? They should have
Speaker 4: bells on them or something.
Speaker 24: Well, I need something. Yeah, and just more consideration.
Speaker 25: Yeah.
Speaker 14: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Have you had have you been kind of scared at
Speaker 4: what happens? What's happened to you a few times?
Speaker 14: Yeah?
Speaker 4: What's happened real quick?
Speaker 17: No, just very.
Speaker 24: Very close calls with them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, almost knocked you over. Yeah, gobless and thank you
Speaker 4: for your call. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Voluntary
Speaker 4: assisted dying is legal cross Australia, much of Europe, Canada,
Speaker 4: and several US states, with dramatically varying implementations. Some countries
Speaker 4: permit advanced directives for dementia cases, and AI is being
Speaker 4: developed to replace psychiatrists in the assisted dyeing process. While
Speaker 4: some jurisdictions focus on terminal illness with strict safeguards, others
Speaker 4: have expanded access to mental illness on the line in
Speaker 4: the Netherlands. To explain these complex ethical, medical, and legal
Speaker 4: issues is doctor Philip Nichke, a prominent advocate who offers
Speaker 4: insights into global approaches and lessons from this evolution in
Speaker 4: human autonomy at Life's End. Doctor Philip Niske, you've been
Speaker 4: advocating for euthanasia over three decades. How has the global
Speaker 4: landscape changed since you first began this work and what
Speaker 4: has surprised you most about this.
Speaker 21: I have been involved for a long time, as you've mentioned,
Speaker 21: and I've seen that evolution take place around the world.
Speaker 21: A country after country is changing the way they view
Speaker 21: this issue, and I think mistakes are being made and
Speaker 21: lessons are being learned. But we're watching it. We're watching
Speaker 21: it evolved today. In fact, the last six months we've
Speaker 21: just been through over here in Europe have brought up
Speaker 21: a lot of issues which I think are drawing attention
Speaker 21: once again to what is the optimum all the best
Speaker 21: strategy for changes which people are demanding.
Speaker 4: Will come to that later. But Australia now has voluntary
Speaker 4: assisted dying in all states, but the way it works varies.
Speaker 4: What key differences have emerged and how do these affect
Speaker 4: people seeking access.
Speaker 21: Around Australia and the states of Australia, they've all brought
Speaker 21: in what we would describe as medicalized laws. They set
Speaker 21: out to try and if you like, codify the degree
Speaker 21: of suffering which you've got to have and be judged
Speaker 21: to have before someone a doctor can assess that and
Speaker 21: then legally provide you with the means to end your life.
Speaker 21: Some variation then about whether you need to take the
Speaker 21: drugs yourself, whether they can be delivered by an intravenous injection,
Speaker 21: of whether they must be taken orally. All of the
Speaker 21: states around Australia wisely have the requirements. You must have
Speaker 21: mental capacity and that needs to be assessed in some way,
Speaker 21: and usually there's a requirement of terminal illness and that
Speaker 21: brings in all sorts of issues about how do you
Speaker 21: actually define a terminal illness. So the evolution of these
Speaker 21: issues and the pushing at the boundaries is going on,
Speaker 21: and it's certainly taking place here, specifically in Europe, where
Speaker 21: all of those questions are really being looked at closely.
Speaker 4: I'm Bill Cruise and my guest on this edition of
Speaker 4: the discussion is doctor Philip Rinsky, comparing global models from
Speaker 4: Switzerland so called death tourism to the netherlands comprehensive euthanasia
Speaker 4: laws rapidly expanding program. How do the different approaches shape
Speaker 4: who can access the sister dying.
Speaker 21: Yes, all, they do very a bit. I mean, the
Speaker 21: Northern Territory was the world's first, but almost immediately after
Speaker 21: that law was overturned. In nineteen ninety eight, the state
Speaker 21: of Oregon and America brought in legislation and they've had
Speaker 21: it ever since. They brought in laws very similar to
Speaker 21: the one we had in the Northern Territory, basically what
Speaker 21: we would describe as medicalized laws, which means you have
Speaker 21: to be sick and a doctor has to assess that
Speaker 21: to desemine whether you're sick enough to be eligible. The
Speaker 21: country I now live in it. The Netherlands brought their
Speaker 21: laws in in two thousand and one, and you mentioned there,
Speaker 21: and you mentioned about Switzerland. Switzerland's a unique place. It's
Speaker 21: got an absolutely different and separate piece of legislation to
Speaker 21: all the other countries around the world which have brought
Speaker 21: in laws. The Swiss law came in just after the
Speaker 21: Second World War and has been in place ever since,
Speaker 21: and that does not require that a person be sick.
Speaker 21: It's simply allows lawful help for a person if you
Speaker 21: who wishes to die, So there's no requirement for medical
Speaker 21: involvement and no requirement for a degree of sickness, But
Speaker 21: that's unique. All of the other places have simply varied
Speaker 21: determining whether or not a person is sick enough and
Speaker 21: tried to set out the conditions of that. And over
Speaker 21: the years, what happens in places like the Netherlands and
Speaker 21: is happening in Canada right now, people start pushing at
Speaker 21: the edge and saying, well, how sick do you have
Speaker 21: to be? Am I sick enough? How do you define
Speaker 21: terminal illness? Questions about whether or not a person has
Speaker 21: mental capacity, how do we determine that? What if a
Speaker 21: person is just tired of life? What if a person
Speaker 21: is just over one hundred is that old enough to
Speaker 21: be eligible? All of those questions come up, and I
Speaker 21: think a simplest way of dealing with all of this,
Speaker 21: I would argue, is that people should look closely at
Speaker 21: the Swiss model.
Speaker 4: You touched on this. Several US states permit euthanasia, while
Speaker 4: others ban it totally. What are the implications of this
Speaker 4: inconsistent approach for both patients and medical professionals.
Speaker 21: Most of the states in America that have brought in
Speaker 21: laws have introduced them in being accompanied with residential requirements
Speaker 21: In other words, you've got to live in the place
Speaker 21: where the law has been passed, although that's been changing
Speaker 21: in recent times and some of the states of America
Speaker 21: now allow a person to move in from another state.
Speaker 21: In America. It's a very arduous process these medical laws.
Speaker 21: You've got to prove that you're sick enough, and the
Speaker 21: question is the cause. Are you able to find a
Speaker 21: doctor who will agree that you are sick enough. I
Speaker 21: call most of these laws beg and gravel laws, because
Speaker 21: although we talk about giving people the right to die,
Speaker 21: the reality is that in Australia and in most places
Speaker 21: around the world, including the Netherlands, all as the laws
Speaker 21: do is give you the right to ask for help.
Speaker 21: It doesn't give you the permission. It doesn't give you
Speaker 21: that right. The right will always be determined by someone else,
Speaker 21: and in most cases it's the doctors who you find
Speaker 21: to try and help you.
Speaker 4: One of the most contentious aspects across all jurisdictions is safeguarding.
Speaker 4: How do different countries balance protecting vulnerable people while ensuring
Speaker 4: genuine autonomy.
Speaker 21: Well, I mean protecting vulnerable people. I mean the criteria
Speaker 21: in everywhere, including Swisserland, is that you've got to have
Speaker 21: mental capacity. Now, this is this rather nebulous quality which
Speaker 21: psychiatrists reckon. They can determine about any individual alive, do
Speaker 21: you know what you're doing? And it seems to me
Speaker 21: that if you insist on that requirement, and you should,
Speaker 21: and that's true everywhere around the world, effectively that solves
Speaker 21: I would say, the idea of the vulnerable people being pressured.
Speaker 21: If you know what you're doing and can demonstrate that
Speaker 21: you've got mental capacity, then I would say you should
Speaker 21: have the right to make that decision. The question, of
Speaker 21: course comes up, what if you start to lose mental capacity?
Speaker 21: And this is the argument which is being played out
Speaker 21: in many places now about what happens when you start
Speaker 21: to slip into a situation where becoming where a person
Speaker 21: is developing a disease which makes you lose capacities such
Speaker 21: as dementia, and that's a big worry. The attempts to
Speaker 21: try and deal with this are not very successful. The Netherlands,
Speaker 21: to its credit, has tried and so has Belgium, with
Speaker 21: so called advanced directives where you can sign a piece
Speaker 21: of paper which said, look, I know I'm becoming a
Speaker 21: person who's losing capacity because of my onset of dementia.
Speaker 21: I'm leaving this written statement which says that if I
Speaker 21: lose capacity, I want someone to come around here and
Speaker 21: kill me. And you can do that legally in the Netherlands,
Speaker 21: and you can do it legally in Belgium, but it's
Speaker 21: not popular and it doesn't work well, and you can
Speaker 21: see why. I mean, when you do become completely demented,
Speaker 21: then you've got to have to expect some other person,
Speaker 21: mainly another doctor, to come from somewhere find you lying there,
Speaker 21: not knowing what day it is and which ways up
Speaker 21: and which ways down because of your dementia, but clutching
Speaker 21: a piece of paper signed signed ten years ago saying
Speaker 21: that if I'm like this, kill me. And then you
Speaker 21: expect a doctor to effectively give a lethal injection to
Speaker 21: a person who doesn't know what data is. That's a
Speaker 21: very hard ask for a doctor, and doctors here in
Speaker 21: the Netherlands aren't comfortable with it, and I wouldn't be
Speaker 21: comfortable with it either. There are better ways to deal
Speaker 21: with this, but that argument about what to do in
Speaker 21: situations with dementia, and the large numbers of people that
Speaker 21: elderly who are developing losses of mental capacity presents as
Speaker 21: a real problem.
Speaker 4: So waiting periods range from days to months across different countries.
Speaker 4: In your experience, how do these timeframes affect patients and
Speaker 4: families and are there optimal approaches?
Speaker 21: Well, yes, well they do very, They do very. I
Speaker 21: think when we look at the so called safeguards, A
Speaker 21: big one though, and the essential one is that a
Speaker 21: person must have mental capacity. Then I think, as we
Speaker 21: do in Switzerland, you should simply allow that person to
Speaker 21: make the decision and forget about issues of time delays,
Speaker 21: waiting periods, numbers of doctors who have to agree. All
Speaker 21: of that stuff can be dispensed with if you simply
Speaker 21: accept the fact that when a person has mental capacity
Speaker 21: and they're an adult we're not talking about children, then
Speaker 21: they should be able to say, now is the time
Speaker 21: to divest myself with this precious gift of life.
Speaker 4: The role of doctors there is dramatically between countries, from
Speaker 4: active participation to allowing conscientious objection. How do these different
Speaker 4: approaches change the reality of accessing euthanasia.
Speaker 21: The reality is that with all these medicalized laws everywhere
Speaker 21: except Switzerland, you have to find a doctor to cooperate,
Speaker 21: in other words, agree with your decision that now's the
Speaker 21: time to get help to die, and that can be
Speaker 21: a real problem if you have to shop around, and
Speaker 21: it sometimes causes immense delays as people try to find
Speaker 21: a doctor prepared to agree with you that you're suffering
Speaker 21: is bad enough to pass the eligibility requirements that have
Speaker 21: been posed by the particular legislation that's in place. Now
Speaker 21: it's quite flexible here in the Netherlands. You don't have
Speaker 21: to be terminally ill, but you've got to demonstrate suffering,
Speaker 21: and so you've got to find a Dutch doctor who
Speaker 21: agrees that you have got suffering. And when we brought
Speaker 21: one hundred and four year old David good Or from
Speaker 21: Perth across to Switzerland to die, we brought him to
Speaker 21: Switzerland purely because that was the only place where he
Speaker 21: did not have to argue that he was medically sick.
Speaker 21: Because he was insisting, and you may recall this incident.
Speaker 21: He kept saying, look, I'm one hundred and four, but
Speaker 21: I'm not sick, and why should I have to argue
Speaker 21: that I am sick to get help to die. Now
Speaker 21: that's the situation across Australia now. One hundred and four
Speaker 21: year old David Goodall would not be able to get
Speaker 21: help in Australia to die because he would have to
Speaker 21: argue that he was sick. And many people think that's
Speaker 21: a complete problem with medicalized laws, and I agree with him,
Speaker 21: and that's why switzerland situation is far superior to any
Speaker 21: of the love or legislative places.
Speaker 1: You'll with the radio Reverend Bill Cruise.
Speaker 4: I'm Bill Cruz and my guest is doctor Philip Nisky. Philip,
Speaker 4: we talked about this. Most euthanasia laws require terminal illness,
Speaker 4: but some countries are considering broader criteria, including mental illness
Speaker 4: as a condition. Where do you see eligibility boundaries?
Speaker 21: Heading, Look, the mental illness question has been debated fiercely
Speaker 21: in Canada right now, and there certainly there's been a
Speaker 21: debate here. I mean, I think most people are generally
Speaker 21: of the opinion that you certainly can suffer a lot
Speaker 21: from mental illness. The question that comes up all the
Speaker 21: time is that if you've got a mental illness and
Speaker 21: your suffering, the question is have you, because of the
Speaker 21: mental illness, perhaps lost capacity. And there are some doctors around,
Speaker 21: not that many these days, but argue that any mental
Speaker 21: illness means you lose mental capacity. That's that's clearly false.
Speaker 21: I mean people have mental illness often are suffering badly
Speaker 21: and still maintain mental capacity. Other words, do they know
Speaker 21: what they're doing even though they've got schizophrenia, even though
Speaker 21: they've got obsessive compulsive disorder, even though they've got bad depression.
Speaker 21: And the answer to that question is yes, some do.
Speaker 21: And if you've got mental capacity, I would argue, and
Speaker 21: I guess this is what's happening. Certainly has happened here
Speaker 21: in the Netherlands. You can get acceptance and you can't
Speaker 21: get permission and help to die with mental illness provided
Speaker 21: you can demonstrate mental capacity.
Speaker 4: Now, some European countries let mature teenagers access euthanasia, but
Speaker 4: most countries ban this entirely. What trends are you observing
Speaker 4: in this area.
Speaker 21: Well, there's been long term push pressure on the question
Speaker 21: of age, because everyone agrees there is a certain age
Speaker 21: at which you understand the permanence of death. So it's
Speaker 21: all very well having mental capacity, but you've got to
Speaker 21: understand that death is a final step. And so the
Speaker 21: idea that a child who doesn't understand the permanence of
Speaker 21: death should be getting or being able to make a
Speaker 21: decision about ending their own life makes no sense, and
Speaker 21: so I agree with that idea. There needs to be some,
Speaker 21: if you're like age distinction or barrier which is necessary
Speaker 21: before you can start making those sort of decisions about
Speaker 21: divesting yourself of your life. The question about what age
Speaker 21: that should be is argued about because people point out
Speaker 21: that you can be certainly a person suffering dreadfully as
Speaker 21: a child from some horrible disease and not have mental
Speaker 21: capacity or not have the ability to understand or give
Speaker 21: permission to die, and so that presents a problem. There's
Speaker 21: no easy answer to it. What's happened in the Netherlands
Speaker 21: is that they've dropped the age and dropped the age.
Speaker 21: It's come right down now, and the general feeling is
Speaker 21: that people over I think not feeling, but the actual legislation.
Speaker 21: You've got to be over the age of twelve. So
Speaker 21: what happens if you're younger than that and have a
Speaker 21: serious suffering associated with a particular illness, and that's not
Speaker 21: an easy one to resolve. Generally, the feeling is that
Speaker 21: parents should be able to make that decision, but that
Speaker 21: brings other questions into play. So I don't think there's
Speaker 21: an easy answer to the question of age. I agree
Speaker 21: that it certainly should be. My feeling is that it
Speaker 21: should be left probably to the probably to the age
Speaker 21: which we tend to accept that people make decisions about
Speaker 21: the future, and that is adulthood. In other words, you've
Speaker 21: got to be an adult.
Speaker 22: Now.
Speaker 21: That doesn't solve the question of the suffering teenager, but
Speaker 21: it gets around issue of trying to work out a
Speaker 21: particular a particular barrier of age at which a person
Speaker 21: understands about the permanence of the step they're about to take.
Speaker 4: So technology is reshaping how sister dying can be accessed
Speaker 4: and administered. How might technological advances from telehealth to automated
Speaker 4: systems change the landscape of voluntary assisted dying.
Speaker 21: The idea of using technology and different strategies to provide
Speaker 21: these options is important and it brings me to another
Speaker 21: important issue that we're looking at, and that is the
Speaker 21: use of Instead of having psychiatrists determine whether a person
Speaker 21: has the necessary mental capacity, do you see, we're developing
Speaker 21: an artificial intelligence test whereby people can check whether they've
Speaker 21: got mental capacity or not. We've been involved in this
Speaker 21: project for I suppose in early eight years or so
Speaker 21: now of trying to work out some way we can
Speaker 21: get better assessment of this, As I said, quality of
Speaker 21: mental capacity. There are feelings within the medical profession that
Speaker 21: a person can be determined whether they have capacity or not,
Speaker 21: and that generally the people argue needs to be done.
Speaker 21: If you like, the gold standard is to have you
Speaker 21: go and talk to a psychiatrist who will work out it.
Speaker 21: Even if you've got schizophrenia or even if you've got depression,
Speaker 21: do you have mental capacity? Now that is done with
Speaker 21: your talk to a psychiatrist. Our concern is the fact
Speaker 21: that I've been often taking people who seeking help to die.
Speaker 21: They often say, you take the same person to three
Speaker 21: psychiatrists and get four different answers, because people often find
Speaker 21: them getting differing answers depending on the particular psychiatrists who
Speaker 21: does the assessment, because the psychiatrist brings their own baggage
Speaker 21: to the assessment process and their own, if you like, politics,
Speaker 21: to the issue. And we've felt that a much more
Speaker 21: neutral way, and I would say fairer way of making
Speaker 21: thatcember assessment is by use of some clever software. So
Speaker 21: the development of the avatar. We've got an avatar. Now
Speaker 21: the avatar allows you to have a discussion. You talk
Speaker 21: to the avatar rather than the psychiatrist, and at the
Speaker 21: end of that period, the avatar will make a decision
Speaker 21: about whether or not you've got mental capacity or not. Now,
Speaker 21: that's a big project. We're getting the first tests models
Speaker 21: ready now and we're going for a while. We're hoping
Speaker 21: to have psychiatrists are involved in this issue of providing
Speaker 21: a decision about whether a person should have access to
Speaker 21: assisted dying, to not only allow the psychiatrists to do
Speaker 21: the assessment, but also to have the artificial intelligence and
Speaker 21: the avatar do the interrogation too, and we'll make sure
Speaker 21: that those two I hopefully get the same answer. And
Speaker 21: with the long term goal of being able to replace
Speaker 21: the psychiatrists and remove the vagaries that come from I said,
Speaker 21: the baggage carried by the various psychiatrists that you find
Speaker 21: doing such assessments.
Speaker 4: We've touched on the growing discussion about advanced directives for
Speaker 4: a sister dying. Which countries are leading this conversation and
Speaker 4: what are the key challenges.
Speaker 21: The countries that have led the world are the Netherlands,
Speaker 21: where I'm now based, and Belgium, and they have it
Speaker 21: in place. You can do it. You can sign you
Speaker 21: a bit of paper now and it's got legal validity.
Speaker 20: Now.
Speaker 21: As I said, it doesn't work terribly well, but it
Speaker 21: works to some degree, and it does provide a lot
Speaker 21: of comfort for people who have found that they have got,
Speaker 21: if you like, declining cognitive function, and they're shown to
Speaker 21: be people who may well be developing dementia disease. It
Speaker 21: does give them some comfort from filling out one of
Speaker 21: these forms. But I do feel that ultimately the better
Speaker 21: solution is going to be a technological one rather than
Speaker 21: an advanced director because trying to find doctors who are
Speaker 21: going around and as I said, being prepared to kill
Speaker 21: people who don't know what day it is is going
Speaker 21: to be a hard ask. It puts an awful it
Speaker 21: puts an awful load on the doctor. I talk to
Speaker 21: a lot of Dutch doctors who are involved in this,
Speaker 21: and none of them think it's particularly satisfactory.
Speaker 4: And finally, Philip, if you could design the ideal voluntary
Speaker 4: assisted dying framework using the best of all countries, what
Speaker 4: would it look like.
Speaker 21: Swinzerland has got by far the best model, and that's
Speaker 21: a demedicalized model. I think we should stop trying to
Speaker 21: set out the conditions of suffering, because all of that
Speaker 21: will do is produce arguments and battles within the legal system.
Speaker 21: Set out a system which demedicalizes the process and allow
Speaker 21: the individual to make decisions because many people have incredibly
Speaker 21: compelling reasons for wanting to die which are not medical.
Speaker 4: Philip let's keek. Thank you for your insights. Thanks Bill,
Speaker 4: love to get your comments on that on one three
Speaker 4: to one eight seven three. Would you want to talk
Speaker 4: to an avatar deciding the future of your life or
Speaker 4: would you rather talk to a fallible psychiatrist?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 4: They are really serious questions, aren't they? And to Tilla
Speaker 4: the trith only fell out of my chair when he
Speaker 4: started talking about that. So I'd love to get your
Speaker 4: comments on that. One three to one eight seven three
Speaker 4: Would you like to talk to an avatar about whether
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Speaker 4: to use all force needed to defend itself after the
Speaker 4: United States President Donald Trump ordered American aircraft to bomb
Speaker 4: three Iranian nucleus sites in what he called a spectacular
Speaker 4: military success and historic moment for the world.
Speaker 5: A short time ago, the US military carried out massive
Speaker 5: precision strikes on the three key nuclear facilities. Our objective
Speaker 5: was the destruction of Iran's nuclear enrichment capacity and a
Speaker 5: stop to the nuclear threat posed by the world's number
Speaker 5: one state sponsor of terror. Tonight, I can report to
Speaker 5: the world that the strikes were a spectacular military success.
Speaker 5: Iran's key nuclear and Richmond facilities have been completely and
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Speaker 5: now make peace. If they do not, future attacks would
Speaker 5: be far.
Speaker 4: Greater and a lot easier. Global leaders feared Trump's major
Speaker 4: intervention in the conflict would further destabilize the Middle East.
Speaker 4: As the President warned Iran peace or face further attack.
Speaker 4: The Iranian foreign ministry accused the US of criminal aggression
Speaker 4: and urged the United Nations to respond. A summit in
Speaker 4: Geneva yesterday with the Iran's foreign minister and European leaders
Speaker 4: yielded no signs of a breakthrough. The death tolld from
Speaker 4: Israel's attacks on Iran has risen to more than four hundred,
Speaker 4: including many women and children. At least twenty four people
Speaker 4: have been killed in Iranian attacks on Israel. Come on
Speaker 4: we do you reckon? This is all going? Is America's
Speaker 4: participation in the war to be a good or a
Speaker 4: bad thing? How important is it to strip Iran of
Speaker 4: its nuclear capabilities? Is it possible that the Iranian regime
Speaker 4: might collapse? And what would that mean for Putin and
Speaker 4: Russia if they lose the key strategic partner. Is it
Speaker 4: possible that the conflict might spread if other countries become involved?
Speaker 4: How could Australia become involved as one of America's leading allies.
Speaker 4: The Australian government has released a statement calling for de
Speaker 4: escalation of the Middle East and acknowledging the risk post
Speaker 4: by Iran's nuclear program, in which it did not endorse
Speaker 4: the United States strikes. The Australian government has released a
Speaker 4: statement calling for de escalation of the Middle East and
Speaker 4: acknowledging the risk post by Iran's nuclear program, in which
Speaker 4: it did not endorse the United States strikes. Do you
Speaker 4: reckon the government's got it right? Your thoughts on the
Speaker 4: Israeli Iran conflict and how the US is involved and
Speaker 4: where you think it's all headed? One three, one eight
Speaker 4: seven three And earlier this month, a pedestrian in Perth
Speaker 4: tragically died after being struck by an e scooter. This
Speaker 4: followed the death of another person in Victoria last month
Speaker 4: who were sit and killed by a modified e bike,
Speaker 4: which police alleged could travel at ninety kilometers per hour.
Speaker 4: At least two patients per day, that so many people.
Speaker 4: Just one major emergency hospital in Queensland is treating due
Speaker 4: to an alarming rise in each scooter accidents. The injuries
Speaker 4: are so complex, so severe, patients are being assessed just
Speaker 4: like high speed car crash victims. This is what Dr
Speaker 4: Michael Kane, had a public policy at the RACQ, had
Speaker 4: to say about the problem.
Speaker 6: Well, what we've seen in Queensland over the last six
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Speaker 6: departments and tragically we have seen fifteen people being killed
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Speaker 4: Now a crackdown could see stand up scooters, band and
Speaker 4: modified device has seized. Here's what doctor Kaine says needs
Speaker 4: to be done.
Speaker 6: Well, the RACQ is asking for the impounding of what
Speaker 6: are legal e scooters and e bikes. Some of these
Speaker 6: e scooters go up to one hundred and ten kimeters
Speaker 6: an hour. That's not a scooter, that's a vehicle. Mopeds
Speaker 6: are only allowed to go up to fifty. We also
Speaker 6: want to see on legal stand up e scooters that
Speaker 6: you wear a full face helmet and the scheme scooters
Speaker 6: the highest scooters that we see across a number of
Speaker 6: Australian cities. We want those scooters to be sit down
Speaker 6: e scooters because they're much safer. We also want to
Speaker 6: see money invested in our separated pathways because e scooters
Speaker 6: and e bikes do have a positive and they do
Speaker 6: help us address congestions, so we need to invest more
Speaker 6: in the pathway infrastructure.
Speaker 4: Meanwhile, New South Wales is looking to legalize e scooters
Speaker 4: under a new safety framework. So what are your thoughts
Speaker 4: on e bikes and e scooters. Do you think the
Speaker 4: many benefits of e bikes and e scooters outweigh the problems?
Speaker 4: Have you personally had any problems with them on footpaths?
Speaker 4: Should there be limits on how fast these vehicles can travel?
Speaker 4: Would a licensing of users or registration of e bikes
Speaker 4: and e scooters be a good idea. Does the federal
Speaker 4: government have a clear role to play in stemming the
Speaker 4: endpoint of e bikes and e scooters that exceed the
Speaker 4: legal limits for public use in Australia? Should local government
Speaker 4: and road authorities have the power to declare areas where
Speaker 4: footpath riding is not permitted. Even though e bikes and
Speaker 4: e scooters have many benefits such as improving urban accessibility
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Speaker 4: What about displaying speed limits for e bikes and e
Speaker 4: scooters using radar guns, as is already done in Queensland,
Speaker 4: and issuing fines where appropriate. Your thoughts on the current
Speaker 4: debate about e bikes and e scooters and their place
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Speaker 18: I've been listening tonight and your conversation with the doctor
Speaker 18: from Sweden that as a dying Yes, yes, it really
Speaker 18: did sound like a bit of an advertisement for Sister Dying.
Speaker 4: Do you think I just tried to make it straight
Speaker 4: down the line?
Speaker 18: I think it was pre recorded, yes, yes, and it
Speaker 18: really did sound.
Speaker 4: Do you have problems with that?
Speaker 18: Well, I don't know. To be honest, I'm in a
Speaker 18: situation here where I don't know what's right and wrong.
Speaker 18: And I listened to you every Sunday and I found
Speaker 18: that to be really interesting. It's hard to put it
Speaker 18: into words. It was just a tone of the segment.
Speaker 4: It makes you think, doesn't it?
Speaker 18: Well, it does.
Speaker 19: What scared me what you're talking about?
Speaker 30: Yes?
Speaker 4: Sorry, What scared me was the having an avatar to decide.
Speaker 18: You know, absolutely, Yeah, that's incredibly You know, technology coming
Speaker 18: into this is another thing. And do we allow technology
Speaker 18: to decide upon death or do we see every life
Speaker 18: as being sacred?
Speaker 4: I think yeah, I think every life is sacred. Well,
Speaker 4: i'd say every life is sacred. The problem is now
Speaker 4: with all the pills and things we've got, we can
Speaker 4: extend it beyond its kind of time, if.
Speaker 14: You get what I mean, And I don't get what
Speaker 14: you mean.
Speaker 4: I mean, I mean we can. There are so many
Speaker 4: drugs and so many things we can do to extend
Speaker 4: our lives beyond our body life, if.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
Speaker 18: But we're looking at a whole spectrum of ages here
Speaker 18: and deeply concerning.
Speaker 4: Yes, it's it is, it's That's why I brought it up,
Speaker 4: to get people to think about these things.
Speaker 18: You know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well it's not just people. It's not just people
Speaker 4: who have outlived their life, if you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: They're talking about other sorts of things, and you think,
Speaker 4: where do you draw the line? Where do you draw
Speaker 4: the line?
Speaker 18: We're meant to protect the vulnerable, yes, and we are,
Speaker 18: you know, just just as abortion, you know, killing babies.
Speaker 18: We can't do these sorts of things. Life needs to
Speaker 18: take its natural cost. There's absolutely no holy way that
Speaker 18: anyone could be killed because of any simple reason of decisions.
Speaker 18: We need to live this to God.
Speaker 4: But what about people who don't believe in God or
Speaker 4: something like that.
Speaker 18: Look, I'm really surprised you had that conversation that you
Speaker 18: have tone with that didn't seem natural, and that didn't
Speaker 18: seem normal.
Speaker 4: Right, right, So what alternative would you propose?
Speaker 18: Nature? The way that the world works. God, you know,
Speaker 18: when we start to derive from what's natural, where are
Speaker 18: we going to go?
Speaker 4: What about people who are right now?
Speaker 18: Where are we going to go if we don't allow basic,
Speaker 18: basic faith and basic morals to rule our decisions. And
Speaker 18: I don't think that the sister dying has any value
Speaker 18: or any relation to basic human morals. And I'm really
Speaker 18: surprised to have that conversation.
Speaker 4: Well, put it the other way. People who've looked after
Speaker 4: dying relatives where the relatives beg to die, would be
Speaker 4: arguing with you the other way.
Speaker 18: No, I have and mistakes can be made, Yes they can,
Speaker 18: Yes they can. I don't think this is a good idea.
Speaker 18: I'm surprised that you've been speaking about it, and I'm
Speaker 18: sure many of your listeners are as well.
Speaker 4: Well. I haven't heard any of that. No, God to God,
Speaker 4: thank you for.
Speaker 1: Your pul Bill grus on Sunday Night.
Speaker 29: Melinda, Hello, Yes, good and more Reveen Bill, Hello, I
Speaker 29: thought that was a very interesting interview you had with
Speaker 29: some doctor Mitchki and I'm really glad you had it,
Speaker 29: and I thought it was very well balanced.
Speaker 28: And you know, both of you spoke about this, you know,
Speaker 28: the two sides of of yes and no regarding you know,
Speaker 28: voluntary assisted dying. So yeah, I mean I can sort
Speaker 28: of see where that previous caller was coming from. Andy.
Speaker 28: But I have a problem with some people thinking that
Speaker 28: they know better than me whether I'm suffering or not.
Speaker 28: How could anybody, how can anybody tell me whether I'm.
Speaker 17: Suffering or not?
Speaker 4: Exactly? Yes, But what do you think about talking to
Speaker 4: an avatar about it?
Speaker 14: Yeah?
Speaker 28: I think I think that'd be good because I think
Speaker 28: it would be it would be more objective. I think
Speaker 28: if you talk to a human, they've got all their
Speaker 28: baggage there, and you know their thoughts and their beliefs,
Speaker 28: and they shouldn't really, you know, impose those on others
Speaker 28: around them that need help. And I think, and you know,
Speaker 28: I was like an AI and there was a computer
Speaker 28: program and said, look, if if you can tick all
Speaker 28: these boxes, then chances are the poor so and so
Speaker 28: in front of you is really suffering and deserves assistance
Speaker 28: and not other people to preach at them about. You know,
Speaker 28: God said this or or whatever you or if you're
Speaker 28: not religious, and it.
Speaker 4: Doesn't mean anything if you're not religious.
Speaker 28: It doesn't. It's it's unfair you've been deprived of, you know,
Speaker 28: getting assistance when you really really might need it the most.
Speaker 28: I've had a relative recently passed away and she had dementia.
Speaker 25: And it was very sad.
Speaker 28: I just saw her suffering for years and years and
Speaker 28: not being able to help somebody like that. You know,
Speaker 28: all you can do is you can hold hold their
Speaker 28: hand and tell them you love them, but you can
Speaker 28: tell that doesn't really help, like you know, it does
Speaker 28: totally in some cases. It really depends on the situation.
Speaker 28: But you know, she just didn't understand what was going
Speaker 28: on around her, and she was just confused and she
Speaker 28: was just alone in her thoughts because nobody could understand her,
Speaker 28: you know what, what was happening. And dementia's's terrrible things.
Speaker 4: There's no quality of life or anything.
Speaker 14: Is there?
Speaker 28: No, not at all, And everybody around them is trying
Speaker 28: to do their best, and you know, you can't really
Speaker 28: do much to bring back somebody's capacity to think or
Speaker 28: to remember things. And yeah, it's horrible.
Speaker 4: God blesshim, Linda, Thank you for your call. Peter, Hello.
Speaker 14: Today, Bill, how are you good? Pete?
Speaker 19: My lovely lady passed nearly two years ago. He had
Speaker 19: thank her out of cancer. Oh yes, got to the
Speaker 19: point where nothing could be done and she was in
Speaker 19: absolute agony. Yes, and they, the nursing staff and the
Speaker 19: doctors did all they could and the only thing they
Speaker 19: could was no old train with morpheed and that was automatic.
Speaker 19: And people don't realize her sister dying is already here
Speaker 19: and has been for years. No one wants to happen,
Speaker 19: but you can't have your loved one.
Speaker 4: So yes, yes, how do you mean a sister dying
Speaker 4: is here?
Speaker 19: Well, she had tinkling injections, yes, and initially that was
Speaker 19: done so on on so many hours. But the only
Speaker 19: way it could be done completely is an automatic back
Speaker 19: to her body and with intravenous and she didn't feel anythin.
Speaker 19: We didn't want that to happen, but you couldn't have to, Supper.
Speaker 4: I can hear. It's still really raw, isn't it.
Speaker 14: It's so raw vial?
Speaker 19: Yeah, we got we got six seven months. Many people
Speaker 19: with paying created cancer get three or four days from
Speaker 19: notification to parsing, and that's not just with pankcreatic. That's
Speaker 19: with many, many, many things pancreatic. You know, there's seventy
Speaker 19: people of a week, maybe more now, but it was
Speaker 19: seventy people a week when my wife passed. So that's
Speaker 19: the only way that the doctors and the nursing staff
Speaker 19: could treat the lady. Just pop her agony. So it
Speaker 19: is here and no one.
Speaker 4: Wants to do you find her around? Do you often
Speaker 4: find her spirit around you?
Speaker 19: She's with me all the time. It's hard to say that,
Speaker 19: but little things, little things that come, yes, but myself
Speaker 19: and my three children were with us all the time.
Speaker 19: But it doesn't make it any easier.
Speaker 4: But you know that.
Speaker 19: And that's the thing with anything.
Speaker 4: You don't want to see your suffering anymore. God bless you, Peter,
Speaker 4: and thanks for talking to us tonight. Terence, Hello, am,
Speaker 4: I will hello good.
Speaker 16: Yeah, I know all of that that older people am
Speaker 16: heart attacks and I know over there again on the y.
Speaker 16: Yeah that's to say. And we used agine good doctors
Speaker 16: around their dugs.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, it's.
Speaker 16: Purely good when you have doctors around doctors who yeah,
Speaker 16: taken in and so have to go to hospital right
Speaker 16: them in the hospital.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's certainly.
Speaker 16: I've got none other than in hospital yet.
Speaker 26: How old are you, righty over eighty over ninety one
Speaker 26: in September one in September.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you're not in the hospital yet.
Speaker 16: No, No, I gave the treatment that Newtown. Yeah, Newtown.
Speaker 16: They good to you once every year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they're good to you.
Speaker 16: Oh yeah, said nothing change. It's not getting any worse.
Speaker 4: I said, right, it's so life pretty good for you
Speaker 4: at the moment.
Speaker 14: Oh, it's good for.
Speaker 16: Me because I did a lot of work of cain
Speaker 16: to kids in that Yeah. Yeah, I had a lot
Speaker 16: of money for them.
Speaker 4: Good on you.
Speaker 16: That's the sort of stuff I do. And I used
Speaker 16: to go to this school when younger. We used to
Speaker 16: get like I thought that had in the heart attacks. Yeah, yep,
Speaker 16: and they had got and good doctors A found them, dage.
Speaker 16: You wish had their own doctors there many years ago.
Speaker 4: Good on your Terrence, thanks for ringing in tonight. God
Speaker 4: bless you mate, Thank you. In the context of a wealthy,
Speaker 4: industrialized society, homelessness is a visible indicator of poverty, community disadvantage,
Speaker 4: and social exclusion. Now Street Side Medic is a not
Speaker 4: for profit delivering a free GP lead mobile medical service
Speaker 4: to people experiencing homelessness, and on the line to tell
Speaker 4: us more about it is Nick Brown, CEO of street
Speaker 4: Side Medics. Hi Nick, Hi, Bill hiving me on, tell
Speaker 4: us a bit about yourself. Come on, You've had a
Speaker 4: bit of experience in this sect, damn't you?
Speaker 30: Yeah, yeah, I guess I've been very lucky to spend
Speaker 30: over a decade or so working not for profit space
Speaker 30: so leading organizations and working with organizations that focus on
Speaker 30: the mental health of dump work and supporting asylum seekers
Speaker 30: and use at risk, and now being with streets Ide
Speaker 30: Meets for milli eighteen months. It's so amazing organization.
Speaker 4: Tell us what street Side Medics all about.
Speaker 30: So, streets i Meets is a GP led mobile medical
Speaker 30: service brings healthcare essentially directly to people experiencing homelessness out
Speaker 30: on the streets. It's free of charge, and we work
Speaker 30: out of lunteers work out of sort of specifically fitted
Speaker 30: out vans that are set up, you know, pretty much
Speaker 30: like a GP clinic. And you know, obviously they're removing
Speaker 30: a whole lot of barriers that that a lot of
Speaker 30: people face when it comes to accessing primary healthcare.
Speaker 4: Now, doctor Daniel knows said it all up. Tell us
Speaker 4: a bit about him.
Speaker 30: Yeah, then, doctor Daniel noy' is a credible young doctor
Speaker 30: that saw, I guess, a gap in healthcare for people
Speaker 30: that are that are doing it tough or that maybe
Speaker 30: you know, living on the streets or in other otherwise
Speaker 30: vulnerable sort of situations. And so he fitted out a
Speaker 30: van and drove it down to the city in Sydney
Speaker 30: and just started supporting people, you know, where they were
Speaker 30: and where they needed it. And so he started and
Speaker 30: that was kind of, you know, the start of Streets
Speaker 30: of Metics. It was back in twenty twenty and he
Speaker 30: did it while he was you know, the or junior doctor.
Speaker 30: He's still very involved. But now I've got a team
Speaker 30: of people, you know, nearly three hundred volunteers, got three
Speaker 30: vans on the road or all out there trying to
Speaker 30: support as many people as we can.
Speaker 4: Now every night in Australia. It just really rocks me
Speaker 4: and gets me angry. An estimated thirty eight thousand people
Speaker 4: aged between twelve and twenty four are homeless. That's appalling,
Speaker 4: isn't it.
Speaker 13: Yeah, it is.
Speaker 30: I know you're doing some great work in this area too.
Speaker 30: Bilbert it's devastating. I mean, you know, we young people
Speaker 30: should be thinking about their futures and not worrying about
Speaker 30: whether they'll sleep or how they stay safe. And you know,
Speaker 30: there's a lot of great organizations to trying to do
Speaker 30: important work in this in this space, but you know,
Speaker 30: it's really all strange can can do their part in
Speaker 30: and trying to sort of shift what we're seeing at
Speaker 30: the moment.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of use, isn't the homeless youth?
Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 30: I mean, it affects affects everyone, but unfortunately it's you know,
Speaker 30: it's it's increasing across the board, but young people are
Speaker 30: definitely hit hard with costs of living and mental thoughts
Speaker 30: of shortages, gaps in social spoard, et cetera. So there's like,
Speaker 30: you know, there's a lot of a lot of challenges
Speaker 30: that are facing young people at the moment.
Speaker 4: And what about young people leaving state care? Does more
Speaker 4: need to be done there?
Speaker 14: Well?
Speaker 30: I think so, I mean there's more needs to be
Speaker 30: done everywhere. I guess, you know, there's a lot of
Speaker 30: people leaving state care at eighteen and still don't have
Speaker 30: you know, stable housing or job jobs on the horizon
Speaker 30: or not enough support, and so you know, I think
Speaker 30: we do need better transition programs. But you know, there
Speaker 30: is programs out there, and there is a lot of
Speaker 30: people doing good work, but there's always more that needs
Speaker 30: to be done.
Speaker 14: For sure.
Speaker 4: Do you see us following what's happening in cities like
Speaker 4: San Francisco and LA where homelessness has spiled into a
Speaker 4: huge emergency. Are we following that pattern?
Speaker 22: Well?
Speaker 30: I think I think we have a huge opportunity to
Speaker 30: not end up in that position, I think, but I
Speaker 30: think it's possible, and so we definitely need to do
Speaker 30: a whole lot more. You know, rising there is rising
Speaker 30: homelessness here. But I think if we can invest in
Speaker 30: kind of sous early and make sure that we're giving
Speaker 30: you know, the wrap around support for people, not just
Speaker 30: you know, putting band aids on things, but also trying
Speaker 30: to really look at the systemic issues that people are facing,
Speaker 30: I think we we cannot end up in that position,
Speaker 30: and you know, I'm hopeful that we don't, and.
Speaker 4: I think sometimes people forget that homelessness is also a
Speaker 4: health crisis.
Speaker 30: Well, yeah, definitely, I mean what we see I'm not
Speaker 30: sure that all listeners can imagine as well. If you're
Speaker 30: you're dealing with the chronic health issue, it's very difficult
Speaker 30: to be you know, focusing on on other things even
Speaker 30: job prospects, education, or you know, all of those other
Speaker 30: those other things that come off the back of being
Speaker 30: able to live healthy. And so it's definitely they're all
Speaker 30: very into interlinked. You know, we see untreated in infections
Speaker 30: and chronic disease, diseases, mental health conditions, et cetera. So
Speaker 30: you know, it's definitely a huge issue and something that
Speaker 30: needs to be addressed so that people can focus on
Speaker 30: those other things that can get them out of the
Speaker 30: situation that they might be in.
Speaker 4: So unusual things that your doctors see that people listening
Speaker 4: to this program wouldn't think about, what sorts of things
Speaker 4: like that DC.
Speaker 30: Yeah, I mean some of the obvious ones might be
Speaker 30: around some of the cronic televisions like diabetes or hearts,
Speaker 30: these and things, but I guess some of the things
Speaker 30: that people may not think about it. There's definitely a
Speaker 30: significant amount of infections. We see a lot of issues
Speaker 30: with feet that lead to larger problems, particularly if they
Speaker 30: if they do get infections and things, and so you know,
Speaker 30: being able to treat those things early can obviously make
Speaker 30: a big difference down the road for people not getting
Speaker 30: into a situation where those infections get much worse.
Speaker 4: Can you guys speed up people having teeth problems.
Speaker 13: So down?
Speaker 4: Do you mean people dentistry? Yeah, getting them into you're
Speaker 4: able to speed them.
Speaker 30: Up right, connect them in.
Speaker 14: Yeah.
Speaker 30: I mean a huge part of what we're what we're
Speaker 30: trying to do is really referring people back into the
Speaker 30: health system. Mental care the challenging one, but we certainly
Speaker 30: do do what we can in that. But there's a
Speaker 30: whole lot of health issues where we have great partners
Speaker 30: that are trying to provide their services either pro bono
Speaker 30: or come to the clinics. We've had the dietis come
Speaker 30: to our clinics and provide support. We've got done heart screenings,
Speaker 30: et cetera. And so you know, we are able to
Speaker 30: be I guess a bit of a link between people
Speaker 30: that are dealing with some of these health issues and
Speaker 30: with a whole lot of specialist health care that you
Speaker 30: may not be able to provide it right there in
Speaker 30: the band.
Speaker 4: So just how important is it to catch people early, mate?
Speaker 30: Well, it's critical. I think you know, we don't want
Speaker 30: people ending up turning up to emergency departments with you know,
Speaker 30: theory of health issues. We want to be catching people
Speaker 30: and connecting them back in with the health system so
Speaker 30: that other service services can work with them on other
Speaker 30: issues like jobs and education and all those things. So
Speaker 30: we play us more part in trying to support as
Speaker 30: many people as we can, but getting in early and
Speaker 30: stopping some of these health issues to developing into really
Speaker 30: problematical complex issues. Is you know, it's critical for anyone
Speaker 30: in the general public, but definitely if you're living on
Speaker 30: the street.
Speaker 4: So street side medis like us have called for a
Speaker 4: homelessness commissioner. So what do you guys have in mind
Speaker 4: for someone like that, Well, we just need.
Speaker 30: To see I mean, obviously homelessness is interconnected with all
Speaker 30: sorts of other social determinants and so which means it's
Speaker 30: you know, cross portfolio. It's not just a health issue.
Speaker 30: We need, you know, some more independent person or commission
Speaker 30: to look into the way that all of the departments
Speaker 30: of government should be looking at this issue and trying
Speaker 30: to provide some sort of support and so commissioner or
Speaker 30: something similar we think could be a great way for
Speaker 30: the government to have a more helistic view on this
Speaker 30: issue of homelessness.
Speaker 4: And you're launching a second group, aren't you around now away?
Speaker 30: Yeah, well, we just launched our second clinic in sink
Speaker 30: Kilda and we're going to which has been going for
Speaker 30: a couple of weeks now. It's our second one sorry
Speaker 30: in Victoria. We've been operating kind of nine or so
Speaker 30: in Sydney, one in Wollongong, and yeah, we're about to
Speaker 30: also launch down in now so the first kind of
Speaker 30: more regional clinic, which you know, this isn't just an
Speaker 30: issue that people are facing the metropolitan areas, definitely an
Speaker 30: issue in regional as well, and so we're trying to
Speaker 30: do what we can to support those areas as well.
Speaker 4: Now, you mentioned you had about three hundred volunteers tell
Speaker 4: us about them.
Speaker 30: Yeah, so, I mean the whole service really is off
Speaker 30: the back of three hundred amazing generous people that are
Speaker 30: out at these clinics week in week out. We're we
Speaker 30: are out on the road six nights a week and
Speaker 30: we've got fifty or so GP that come you know,
Speaker 30: straight from work to the van to support to support
Speaker 30: the people who that are on the streets. We've got nurses,
Speaker 30: other allied health professionals. We've also got general volunteers that
Speaker 30: are driving the vans et cetera, you know, out and
Speaker 30: about every night. So you know, incredible group of people
Speaker 30: that just want to do what they can to help.
Speaker 4: Now that's all managing homelessness, which is kind of what
Speaker 4: we do all the time. How do we start ending it?
Speaker 30: Well, I think, like I said, I think it's got
Speaker 30: to come back to a more holistic view sort of
Speaker 30: just not looking at homelessness as homelessness.
Speaker 14: But we need to solve some of.
Speaker 30: The housing issues. We need to solve some of the
Speaker 30: opportunities for people to develop through employment and education. I
Speaker 30: want to support people, you know, coming out of the
Speaker 30: prison system. So I think it really needs a more
Speaker 30: systemic kind of view from not just government, from everyone.
Speaker 30: We need to kind of change the way that we
Speaker 30: look at people. And you know, this situation a cap
Speaker 30: for any of us, and so I think we just
Speaker 30: need to get around people that need that need this support.
Speaker 30: We also need to understand that, you know, it can
Speaker 30: happen to everyone, and also look at it kind of
Speaker 30: beyond just an issue of homelessness or drug and alcohol use.
Speaker 30: There's a whole lot of factors financial security that we
Speaker 30: really need to solve to really see see the change
Speaker 30: we want to see.
Speaker 4: So mate, how can people find out more about you guys?
Speaker 30: Well, I guess the best spot and you see would
Speaker 30: be our website, so streetside Medics dot com dot au.
Speaker 30: People can donate there, but they can also sign up
Speaker 30: to volunteer. We're always looking for medical volunteers, particularly GPS,
Speaker 30: So if anyone wants to get involved in that way,
Speaker 30: head to the website you'll see, click through the links
Speaker 30: and send this information. We'll have someone from the team
Speaker 30: to get in touch, and you know you can learn
Speaker 30: all about what we're doing there or obviously through social
Speaker 30: media as well.
Speaker 4: Nick Brown, CEO street Side Medics. God bless you got
Speaker 4: and thanks for taking us the time to talk to
Speaker 4: us today.
Speaker 30: Thanks so much, Bill, God bless you man.
Speaker 4: I used to walk yeah with those blues of read.
Speaker 10: I am not fraid this rover frost over.
Speaker 3: If I ever.
Speaker 31: I'll be rejazed wrong, fe go let my feet go
Speaker 31: son street.
Speaker 4: Well as me old grandma used to say, Billy, it's
Speaker 4: time to sling it up and get out of here.
Speaker 4: I really want to thank you for listening. Tonight. Hope
Speaker 4: you enjoy me again next Sunday, and until then, God
Speaker 4: bless him. Good Night,