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Speaker 1: As you can see behind me, flares have already been

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Speaker 2: There's chanting.

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Speaker 1: It is getting quite intensive. But as I said, there

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Speaker 3: It will henceforth be the official policy of the United

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Speaker 2: Really from the government showing your Prime Minister Albert Albany.

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Speaker 4: He commented on the situation weaving for a panel of

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Speaker 5: This is Sunday morning with Darren Heiney and Swammy.

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Speaker 6: I'm easy ninth Sunday.

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Speaker 5: Morn It's a Sunday morning in Melbourne. As we usher

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Speaker 5: out Kevin and Janetta. Did you see Kevin Janetta on

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Speaker 5: the way. Yeah, because to one another, you're a travel

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Speaker 2: I am a Trouble Guides fan.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Good. They're lovely people, aren't they lovely?

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Speaker 2: I kind of wish I was.

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Speaker 6: It doesn't everybody get the free travel around the world

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Speaker 6: and then speak your mind?

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Speaker 2: Do I have to speak my mind about it? I say?

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Speaker 2: What I really think.

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Speaker 5: That audio Nick was quite noisy from the soccer last

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Speaker 5: off with Bruno. He's that driving in do you remember

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Speaker 5: I never heard of it. He believes that the thirty

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Speaker 5: Pies game, the violence was inside the G because there

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Speaker 2: But it was a scuffle inside the G on Friday night,

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Speaker 5: Wasn't ross and I we weren't involved.

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Speaker 2: Inside. So he's saying that there was more violence inside

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Speaker 5: Then there was the violence was That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 6: Well, Bruno, there's been a police media release and eleven

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Speaker 6: people were evicted from the actual gay There was a

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Speaker 2: Bruno's so what Nikki's saying is the crowd was much

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Speaker 6: But seriously, Bruno makes a point. There was a scuffle

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Speaker 6: and it was well reported on the TV NEWSS last

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Speaker 6: But what I don't get about this whole thing with

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Speaker 6: I think it's fantastic. I don't know. The march to

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Speaker 6: Go ahead, do it. I do not get the flair thing.

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Speaker 6: The flair thing is obviously dangerous, it's illegal, and it's

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 2: I was watching the reports on the news last night.

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Speaker 6: But the problem was, but be fair here, the police

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Speaker 2: Fair going to have big punch ons on the way

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Speaker 6: Well, I think they were just.

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Speaker 5: double three, six nine three is the number.

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Speaker 2: Actually Atolica disappointed with the behavior they say of the

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Speaker 6: That's right. And inside and to be honest, eleven evictions

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Speaker 6: for various there was one report of an assault someone

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Speaker 2: The policeman was assaulted and transported to hospital with minor injuries.

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Speaker 6: Inside this there was a security game that was allegedly

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Speaker 6: So Bruno was right the buy and large the crowd

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Speaker 6: was well behaved inside. But it is mean, this whole

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Speaker 5: Is what.

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Speaker 2: Four penalty notices will possessed lit firework. I assume means

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Speaker 6: And there was certainly a vision of the flares going

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Speaker 5: Chris.

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Speaker 6: There only has to be one problem, and it's a disaster.

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Speaker 5: Good morning to you, Chris.

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Speaker 8: Good morning all.

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Speaker 9: How are you?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: I was watching the game last night being a soccer follower.

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Speaker 8: I'm so disappointed with the actual standard of the actual game.

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Speaker 8: It was not a game. It was really just tackles acting.

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Speaker 8: It's could have been at least three red cards and

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Speaker 2: Yellow cards for what for what behavior?

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Speaker 8: The tackles, the acting that was going on. There was

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Speaker 5: Look, I'm I'm not a fan of the acting.

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Speaker 2: Do you get a yellow card or a red card

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Speaker 6: I think a yellow card.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm asking Crease.

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Speaker 5: I should give them a LOGI some of them were

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Speaker 8: There wasn't enough given the referee. The referee should live

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Speaker 5: But that's a worldwide thing with soccer. Is that's not

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Speaker 2: I thought it was part and parcel of Soccer's I

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Speaker 6: Were you watching at home on TV or were you

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Speaker 8: Chris, I was at home watching. I don't go because

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Speaker 8: I don't. I don't like the actual the fighting, the

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Speaker 2: And you're saying staging is not a normal part of

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Speaker 4: It is.

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Speaker 10: It is normal.

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Speaker 8: But that was that went over the top. That was

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Speaker 8: not It was not a game. It was just too much.

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Speaker 8: There's too much anger a couple of the Melbourne City players,

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Speaker 8: they weren't playing, they were there for for for fighting.

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Speaker 8: So if we're watching that expect that is watching that

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Speaker 8: The quality of the game is not there.

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Speaker 5: Who do you follow, Chris.

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Speaker 8: I don't follow either.

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Speaker 2: Who did you want to win last night? Victory or City?

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Speaker 8: No, no, no, I wasn't fuss I just wanted to watch.

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Speaker 8: I just wanted to watch a quality game, having played,

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Speaker 8: much acting going on, not enough, there's not there's not

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Speaker 8: enough yellow cards being given.

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Speaker 6: So what happens? What is meant to happen? Chris? When

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Speaker 8: Yes, yes they should be because because quite a number

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Speaker 8: actual tackles, they weren't really Uh that's severe.

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Speaker 6: Okay, So when someone gets a yellow card, what happens

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Speaker 8: The yellow card should be given, not to the player tackling,

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Speaker 2: Acting images that an ankle is not being shattered in

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Speaker 6: My point being is what then happens when you get

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Speaker 8: Well, if you get another yellow card.

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Speaker 6: You're out, Okay, So it's a warning.

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Speaker 2: Yellow makes a red.

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Speaker 5: Good morning, yeah, good morning.

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Speaker 11: I follow the English League and last night was the

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Speaker 11: was so disappointed because the amount it looked like the

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Speaker 2: It doesn't happen in the European leagues when you're watching.

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Speaker 5: Last night, they were that bad, were they? It's a

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Speaker 6: Them do and do you think not as.

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Speaker 5: Bad as Maynard going down like that? They're dropping like

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Speaker 11: I watched the ladies' rugby league State of Origin the

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Speaker 11: other night and they were so skillful and so tough.

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Speaker 11: I think these soccer players need to watch that before

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Speaker 6: I think it's it's worse in Australia than it is

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Speaker 11: I don't know. Maybe the skill levels not there so

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Speaker 11: they need to get the ball somehow. I don't know

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Speaker 11: what it is. I was looking for snipers on the

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Speaker 2: Hey, Dean, can I ask you just watch any sport

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Speaker 2: that's on or did you particularly turn on the women's

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Speaker 2: State of Origin?

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Speaker 5: I've got a question for you, Dean, what would you

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I think so because they don't carry on as much.

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Speaker 5: They don't carry on there you go, and they don't jan.

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Speaker 6: The other thing about European soccer, I know they've had

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Speaker 11: On the continent? They are not as much in England.

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Speaker 5: Okay, thanks Dean. We're taking calls one double three, six

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Speaker 6: Yes we do, Please don't don't even yes we do,

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Speaker 6: yes we do, and you're better than we don't.

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Speaker 5: Get any calls. No one wants to talk about the soccer.

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Speaker 5: Done and dusted, No one cares, so we move on.

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Speaker 6: And I would dispute that no one cares. I think, yeah, anyone.

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Speaker 6: So let's not rule people out. If you want to soccer.

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Speaker 5: Chance, moving on.

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Speaker 6: I love talking to anyone who wants to talk to this.

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Speaker 6: I don't get a lot of people who want to

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Speaker 6: So anyone who wants to call, please do.

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Speaker 5: Premier de center Allen has announced Victorian farmers will temporarily

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Speaker 2: Services announcement just came out of nowhere on Friday. Quick

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Speaker 2: was digging with it. No, no, Well twenty four to

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Speaker 12: Great.

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Speaker 2: I don't reckon it's going to come back in next

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Speaker 6: And so part of that is obviously a very good

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Speaker 6: they were jumping up and down saying, well it's still

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Speaker 6: and get it reduced even more, and obviously extend the freeze,

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Speaker 6: which I agree with you. I think the freeze, well,

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Speaker 6: at the very least the freeze.

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Speaker 2: Wich it's a freeze for the next financial year, so

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Speaker 2: I just don't see a government going into next year's

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Speaker 6: Particularly in marginal seats around rural areas, one of which

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Speaker 2: And I think we can use it for other things

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Speaker 6: And they've got a task force which involves farmers, government, bankers,

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Speaker 6: that is received. Once again, the farmers say way too little,

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Speaker 6: way too late. At least the government and the VFF

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Speaker 6: and he emphasized, and I agree it is the start,

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Speaker 2: As long as all the members of this task force

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Speaker 2: involved there, just better not be any sort of this

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Speaker 2: to be polite to us to stay in this room. No,

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Speaker 2: the advocacy has to be just as strong outside that

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Speaker 6: But already they're getting advice because obviously they had a

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Speaker 5: I saw about a one minute piece, what do you

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Speaker 2: Do you mean real?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's it right, a farmer who was he was

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Speaker 5: who had been to his first fatality. He was a farmer.

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Speaker 5: It was emotional the point where I was going to

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Speaker 5: But it was just his emotion about being on the

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Speaker 13: Good morning, yeah, good morning team. The thirty nine million bucks,

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Speaker 13: does that mean is that the money that we're going

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Speaker 13: going to give us. Secondly, you know there's seventeen less

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, it is tax money. The increase in the

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Speaker 6: amount of drought relief, I think is what you're talking about.

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Speaker 6: Thirty seven point seven million dollars. Yes, it is tax

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Speaker 5: Good Onia Roscoe. Now the soccer people have thought, yes,

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Speaker 5: we do it at all. Yeah, Brian, Brian, good morning,

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Speaker 11: Morning, Nick.

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Speaker 3: Now, I just wanted to set the record straight. I'm

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Speaker 3: an AFL man. I was there with an iflremership player,

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Speaker 3: Ray Wilson. I haven't burned to a local soccer game.

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Speaker 3: I had the privilege of burn Now. I thought, I

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Speaker 3: I was in the Swan Street before and after. I

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Speaker 3: was behaving in a fantastic way and it was a

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Speaker 3: unique experience, the singing and the chanting. On the question

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Speaker 3: of diving, yeah, there was some diving, but there were

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Speaker 3: also some pretty serious injuries and when you're up pretty close,

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Speaker 3: they're not all acts. But anyway, that's a blot on

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Speaker 3: the game. But I just wanted to get the get

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Speaker 14: A little bit.

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Speaker 3: I just think I think every year there's a sort

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Speaker 3: a hard time. So I was I was a real

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Speaker 3: fan and I love the and I recently got back

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Speaker 3: from England where I saw west Ham and Tatland plan.

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Speaker 3: I reckon this game compared favorably how.

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Speaker 2: Much how much LOGI Award winning acting was there on

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Speaker 2: the pitch for yours, Brian, Look.

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Speaker 3: I reckon, I reckon fifty percent of them were were acts,

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Speaker 3: but there were there were a large number of you know,

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Speaker 3: That changed my view a bit.

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Speaker 2: When you see both and on the way in, when

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Speaker 3: I did hide it, and I'm a great supporter of,

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Speaker 3: you know, all the things that Nick was saying about

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Speaker 6: Saw, on what I experienced, but I do feel for

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Speaker 6: the police. They can't win, can't they If you send

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Speaker 6: too many people who you've sent too many people, you

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Speaker 6: don't send enough. Looked like a pillock if something happens.

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Speaker 5: Thanks Brian to Gloria.

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Speaker 15: Good morning, Good morning team. Oh those guys last night. Normally,

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Speaker 15: if my husband puts on the soccer I Jenny grab

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Speaker 15: a book out and read, because last night I readon

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Speaker 15: eighty percent of them. Yes, they were rotten tackles and

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Speaker 15: both they were like little girls pulling their shirts and

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Speaker 15: all this crap. But they should go and train at

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Speaker 15: the men's Rugby Rugby league topping them up. Honestly, they

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Speaker 15: were just was horrible to watch. Eby two seconds someone

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Speaker 5: Snipers, Yeah, that's right, drops and all that sort of

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Speaker 5: Good morning, Hello, Lee are you there?

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Speaker 2: I mean over.

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Speaker 5: Last chance, Lee Dan.

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Speaker 10: I've been to two matches in Italy and flares are

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Speaker 2: Having a flair having.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, oh, the flares are everywhere in Italy.

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Speaker 5: We're not talking about the pants, We're talking about these

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Speaker 5: fire things that go offs.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, the flyers things going off. It's very much

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Speaker 2: Do you reckon you need it for the atmosphere?

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Speaker 10: L Well, I tell you we were there. When we

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Speaker 10: were very upset, the fans because into Milan should have

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Speaker 10: They were just in mourning and then a couple of

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Speaker 10: flares came out and that's what built up the crowd

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Speaker 6: But yeah, that's if that's the Italian culture, it's the

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Speaker 6: Italican culture. But it's still.

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Speaker 10: Dangerous, and it's dangerous.

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Speaker 9: It is.

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Speaker 6: It is very dangerous, and you only need one buffhead,

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Speaker 6: and unfortunately sporting crowds are there are some buffheads amongst

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Speaker 5: Thanks lead to John someone so hy John, Hey you

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Speaker 16: Thanks Darren, thanks for inviting me. Oh you can really

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Speaker 16: invite me.

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Speaker 10: Did you no.

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Speaker 2: One that no one was ringing? And you've run essentially

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Speaker 6: He disinvited soccer fair.

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Speaker 5: I did turn for a little while.

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Speaker 6: He said soccer fans were not welcome.

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Speaker 5: Then are you welcome?

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Speaker 17: Now?

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Speaker 6: Knock yourself out, John.

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Speaker 16: Look, I'm certainly not a soccer fan. I am a

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Speaker 16: football fan, and I'm an ex cop. But in nineteen

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Speaker 16: ninety there were twelve Poyce who set out to stop

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Speaker 16: the drinking it carols by candlelight in at my music bowl.

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Speaker 16: We locked up, you know, thirty nine offenders or something

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Speaker 16: for drugs and all sorts of things half an hour

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Speaker 16: before the started, and they had a beautiful carols by catalyze.

449
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Speaker 16: There was twelve of us. You've asked how many police

450
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Speaker 16: are you supposed to send out to these occasions? I'll

451
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Speaker 16: ask you how many police were standing in the streets

452
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Speaker 16: outside the MCG watching the football yesterday? How many as many?

453
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Speaker 6: I reckon? But at the football, at the football at

454
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Speaker 6: eighty three thousand, you would have more than one hundred

455
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Speaker 6: police there. They just wouldn't all be gathered in one spot.

456
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Speaker 2: No, I don't reckon, you'd have a hundred police.

457
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Speaker 6: I reckon, it's pretty close.

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Speaker 16: Can I just have a little say?

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Speaker 6: Yes? Sorry, can I have a little say?

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Speaker 16: There might have been one hundred police inside. What I

461
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Speaker 16: said was, you don't see one or two hundred police

462
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Speaker 16: standing outside the MCG before the game starts in a circle.

463
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Speaker 16: You don't see that. And those people were there. The

464
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Speaker 16: police were there to try and prove event violence and

465
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Speaker 16: wrongful doing. They want to let people do their own

466
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Speaker 16: thing in their own streets, in their own territory. Now,

467
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Speaker 16: what should happen The soccer federation or the football federation,

468
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Speaker 16: whatever it's called, they should pay for all of this.

469
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Speaker 16: You can't just every time someone wants to go a

470
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Speaker 16: footing of football or soccer. You can't just organize one

471
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Speaker 16: hundred and fifty place to stand in the main street.

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Speaker 16: That is ridiculous. And what we are doing now, we're

473
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Speaker 16: coming down to their low life level. You can't let

474
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Speaker 16: flares off, you can't injure people, you can't hit referees,

475
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Speaker 16: you can't cut nets apart. Can't the public see that?

476
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Speaker 16: We can't condone it. If you want to do that,

477
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Speaker 16: you get locked up and your federation pays the bills.

478
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Speaker 16: We can't just keep doing this, the government should at

479
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Speaker 16: least do some draw up, some draft and some legislation,

480
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Speaker 16: and just to prevent these things from happening, give the

481
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Speaker 16: police some powers before the game starts. And those incidents

482
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Speaker 16: did apparently occur before the game star That's my opinion.

483
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Speaker 16: And it's not about the police in the ground and

484
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Speaker 16: the police in the ground in the AFL pay for

485
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Speaker 16: I must say.

486
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Speaker 6: I know there are provisions for sporting organizations to pay

487
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Speaker 6: for the police presence, but given that it was out

488
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Speaker 6: on Swan Street and what at least away from Amy Stadium,

489
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Speaker 6: I don't know whether that is included in what the

490
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Speaker 6: Soccer Federation would be paying for. Thanks John, that's a

491
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Speaker 6: gray area. I don't know.

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Speaker 5: Twenty four to eleven, Scott, young sheep and grain farmer

493
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Speaker 5: from Milan and Victorian Farmer Federation's Livestock president joins us Scott,

494
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Speaker 5: you're not going to the protest A bit too busy

495
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Speaker 5: on the land.

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Speaker 12: I guess, yeah, no, not today. I'm out feeding a

497
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Speaker 12: mother's sheep that going to get their last feed before

498
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Speaker 12: they go to market tomorrow in the.

499
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Speaker 6: Middle of a drought. And so Scott, before we get

500
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Speaker 6: onto the protest in particular, how Is this the drought

501
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 6: affecting you and your livestock numbers? What have you got

502
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Speaker 6: to do?

503
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Speaker 12: Yeah, I've made the decision that this drout condition has

504
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 12: gone on for that long now that I've decided to

505
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Speaker 12: sell half of my live stock. So you know, that's

506
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Speaker 12: the first time I've ever had to do that. I've

507
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 12: been a third generation farmer here where I am, and

508
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 12: you know, a big decision I've made. But for my

509
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 12: well being and my animals, to get them through, I've

510
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 12: decided to sell half off.

511
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Speaker 2: Scott, Is there a current market for them? Will there

512
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Speaker 2: be buyas?

513
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Speaker 12: There is? Yes, We're fortunate in this route that there

514
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 12: is still a market for them at the moment, so

515
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Speaker 12: I will still get good money for them when I

516
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Speaker 12: sell them. But the problem is that I won't have

517
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Speaker 12: the income of their lambs going forward, and I'll only

518
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Speaker 12: have half the income. They're breeders, Yes, they're breeders.

519
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Speaker 6: And Scott, for someone who's spent his entire life, I

520
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 6: know your third generation. You've spent your entire life on

521
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Speaker 6: the land. To have to bake a big decision like that,

522
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 6: how does it knock you around.

523
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Speaker 12: I'm comfortable with the decision I've made I've made it

524
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Speaker 12: because I've planned ahead. I've looked at my finances, I've

525
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 12: looked at the feed that's available to feed the stuff

526
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Speaker 12: going forward, and it's getting that hard to buy feed

527
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Speaker 12: at the moment, to buy fighter that I would prefer to,

528
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Speaker 12: and I'll be able to get the other half of

529
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Speaker 12: my animals through winter, no worries at all. So I've

530
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Speaker 12: made that decision to drop my numbers now so that

531
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Speaker 12: so that I'll be able to manage through.

532
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Speaker 2: Would it be your intention to increase your numbers again

533
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Speaker 2: and what sort of period of time would that take? Scott?

534
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Speaker 12: So, I've got no doubt that although I'm getting good

535
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Speaker 12: money from my sheep now, if I go to buy

536
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 12: back in again in springtime or early next year, that

537
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 12: the price will probably be double because there's going to

538
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 12: be that many less animals around. So I'll only be

539
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 12: able to buy half the mount back in again, and

540
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Speaker 12: then it'll take me a number of years to breed

541
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Speaker 12: up and get up to where I have been.

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Speaker 6: Okay, Scott, So the government two big measures. First of all,

543
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Speaker 6: the government on Friday froze the emergency service levy for

544
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Speaker 6: everyone all around the state. The primary producers is that

545
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Speaker 6: enough or is it just a start.

546
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Speaker 12: It's just to start. It's a good start, but it's

547
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 12: just to start. I think the problem is how we

548
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,199
Speaker 12: got to this position in the first place. And I

549
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 12: think rural Victoria is really hurting. We're in the middle

550
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Speaker 12: of a drought, as we've already spoke about, but the

551
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Speaker 12: fact that the government have come to rural farmers and

552
00:27:55,720 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 12: volunteers who spend their time fighting fire in national parks

553
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 12: for the benefit of all Victorians during Christmas and holidays

554
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 12: and whenever they need to and get called out, they

555
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 12: go and volunteer, and then to put such a big

556
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 12: cost onto those volunteers when they're in the middle of

557
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Speaker 12: a drought, when they're in the middle of the toughest

558
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Speaker 12: times that they've had in living memory, it's just been

559
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 12: it's real, been a real hit to rural Victoria. And

560
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Speaker 12: I think that trying to get that through the government,

561
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Speaker 12: trying to get them to understand that the impact that

562
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Speaker 12: this has had has been k over the last year.

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Speaker 2: What do you reckon was the final thing that got

564
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Speaker 2: the message through. I asked that because I'm at I've

565
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Speaker 2: been at media conferences with Premier, with Minister Treasurer and

566
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Speaker 2: every time you asked a single question about why now,

567
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Speaker 2: why you're doing this to these communities, they kept bringing

568
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Speaker 2: it back around to climate change means that there is

569
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Speaker 2: an even greater risk of fast and all of these

570
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 2: communities are at even greater at risk and that's why

571
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Speaker 2: it absolutely has to happen. Over and over again, they

572
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Speaker 2: said it when clearly, clearly the community was saying to

573
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Speaker 2: them for weeks and weeks, if not months, this isn't right,

574
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Speaker 2: this is going to hurt us too much. What do

575
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Speaker 2: you reckon? Was the tipping point for them?

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Speaker 12: I'm sure the I'm sure the community's rallying and being

577
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 12: vocal and you know the process, the protests. Sorry, and

578
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 12: also of VFF. We've had really good engagement with government

579
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Speaker 12: for the past few weeks and trying to get them to

580
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 12: understand the impact on real Victorians that this is having.

581
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Speaker 12: And I think they've recognized that, or they're starting to recognize,

582
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Speaker 12: and with this the Drought Task Force that they've appointed

583
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Speaker 12: at the moment and actually going to go out to

584
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 12: regional Victoria engage with regional Victorians. Hopefully they're going to

585
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 12: get an understanding of the impact that this is having

586
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 12: out there. Because I think this announcement and this levy

587
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 12: has impacted the CFA going forward. I think for a

588
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 12: long time into the future. Volunteers have had enough that

589
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 12: they don't feel respected, they don't feel appreciated, and even

590
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 12: if the Fire Services levy gets dropped, I think it's

591
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 12: really impacted the CFA's ability going forward and volunteers to

592
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 12: be there to put their hand up and to protect

593
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Speaker 12: our rural communities.

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Speaker 5: You're right on the paddock now, I can hear the

595
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Speaker 5: sheep in the background.

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Speaker 12: Yes, yes, I am. I've just stopped. They're all standing

597
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Speaker 12: here looking at me, going, when are you going to

598
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 12: put some more grain out?

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Speaker 2: Hungry? Hungry?

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Speaker 6: So having what you've just said, Scott so is therefore

601
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Speaker 6: it's really important. There there was a protest in which

602
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Speaker 6: you'll see yesterday. There's another one further down the southwest today.

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Speaker 6: So it's important to keep that pressure going because it

604
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 6: looks as though it's having an impact. So keep those

605
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Speaker 6: protests going.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I think, so keep it, keep it in the

607
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 12: everybody's mind because obviously in rural Victoria we're only a

608
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 12: very small proportion of the population and we need to

609
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 12: get everybody to understand the impact that this is having

610
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Speaker 12: on rural Victorians, not only the emergency services levy, but

611
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 12: the drought also. And I'm sure everybody in Melbourne doesn't

612
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 12: spend all their time in Melbourne and they get out

613
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 12: to regional Victoria occasionally, and regional Victoria is really.

614
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Speaker 9: Hurting at the moment.

615
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Speaker 12: So if any way they can get out and support

616
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 12: rural communities, get out and visit rural communities and put

617
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 12: some money into the economy, it'll be much appreciated.

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Speaker 5: Hey, what's a good one of your sheep? Worth per head?

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Speaker 12: My older shape here at the moment are about two

620
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,479
Speaker 12: hundred dollars and lambs have actually hit record prices at

621
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Speaker 12: the moment they're about tops of those are at four

622
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Speaker 12: hundred dollars going forward, because there's a lot of breeding

623
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 12: animals going out of the system, there's going to be

624
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 12: a shortage of of protein going forward, of beef and

625
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 12: lamb going forward next year. So I would imagine next

626
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Speaker 12: year prices might escalate even in the shops.

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Speaker 2: You're not selling them, sorry, you're not selling them as

628
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Speaker 2: breed as you're selling them as meat meat.

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Speaker 6: Yes, and that raises a really important point which will

630
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Speaker 6: affect city people. Does that ultimately mean meat prices will

631
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Speaker 6: go up at the super much.

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Speaker 12: I definitely think it will have an impact. There has

633
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 12: been good rains in Queensland and New South Wales which

634
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 12: will help up there, so they'll probably boost their numbers

635
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 12: up there. But there is a large number in Victoria

636
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 12: and South Australia. South Australia has been in drought for

637
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 12: two years, Southwest Victoria has been in dropped for two years.

638
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Speaker 12: There are huge numbers of animals that have gone out

639
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 12: of the system and it's definitely going to make an

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Speaker 12: impact going forward in the next six twelve months.

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Speaker 5: What's the life expectancy of a good breeder? How long

642
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 5: do they last?

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Speaker 12: Sheep for about seven eight years? Oh maximum? And yeah,

644
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 12: cattle will be ten or twelve years.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, interesting stuff. And you're feeding them grain?

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Speaker 6: What sort?

647
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Speaker 12: They've got a bit of a shandy today. They've got

648
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 12: some oats and barley and some wheat.

649
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Speaker 5: Oh you put a bit of milk on that and

650
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Speaker 5: I'm interested.

651
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Speaker 2: I leave it for the sheep.

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Speaker 6: You've got a Robert farmer.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, Scott, that's terrible.

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Speaker 5: Good on your Scott, good place, and yeah you're a

655
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Speaker 5: good man. Good luck with beautiful day too. You're in

656
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Speaker 5: the sun at shining up there.

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Speaker 6: He doesn't want to hear.

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Speaker 12: If it's not raining, it might as well be sunny.

659
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Speaker 9: So yeah, but.

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Speaker 6: You prefer it to be raining.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good luck with Scott.

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Speaker 6: So I was actually quite surprised. We went up to

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Speaker 6: Scott's place on Friday for the announcement and it's only

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Speaker 6: an hour strive out of Melbourne, but just going into

665
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Speaker 6: his paddocks, just how absolutely bone dry it was, even

666
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Speaker 6: in the middle of the start of winter where there's

667
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 6: meant to be a green tinge. Anyway, I was really

668
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 6: surprised just how dry it was. And as I say,

669
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 6: only an hour western Melbourne.

670
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 5: The drives are dead dingoes at eleven to eleven Tony,

671
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 5: good morning, Good morning.

672
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 4: Darren, Nick and Heidi, how are you good? Top of

673
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 4: the problems on top, on top of the problems we're

674
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 4: having with Ray, the drought and Justindra Allen trying to

675
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 4: robbers blind, we've also got sheep rustles up here pinching

676
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 4: shape on a regular basis.

677
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 5: Now, that is one of the worst crimes you can do,

678
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 5: is in Australian isn't it being a sheep thief?

679
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 4: It's bad enough that we're still recovering from Black Saturday.

680
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 18: They have.

681
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 4: One of our local farmers was two hundred sheep and

682
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 4: one crack two hundred.

683
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 6: Has it actually increased? Has it actually increased recently, Tony, Yes,

684
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 6: it is.

685
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,800
Speaker 4: And the gentleman involved he's been hit three times in

686
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 4: the last couple of years.

687
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,240
Speaker 6: And it's so security I'd imagine on those big properties

688
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 6: is so difficult too.

689
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 4: It's stamn near impossible unless you put armed guards there.

690
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 2: There because you're not like you're not you're not highballing

691
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 2: them every single day, doing your head count every single day,

692
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 2: and you.

693
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 6: Can't put CCTV everywhere.

694
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 5: Are they tagged though, Tony, if you could find them,

695
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 5: would you know? Because they all look the same, don't

696
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 5: they do well?

697
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 4: They're all tagged. But the problem is most of them

698
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 4: end up getting going to the slaughter yards. But the

699
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 4: problem with falling with this current what the rustlers is

700
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 4: it's a small group but the wholly organized and they're

701
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 4: finching them in vans and small trailers you can't see,

702
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 4: and they're straight off the.

703
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 6: Slaughter's small numbers, so it's not when.

704
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 5: The advertise know that there's something suss If a high

705
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 5: aced van pulls up with about half a dozen sheep

706
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 5: in the back.

707
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 4: They're not going to an advertise, they're going to a backyard.

708
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 2: Oh you can tell them pretty easily, hang them up

709
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 2: skin the.

710
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 4: More going investigation.

711
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 5: Ok, thanks Tony, Thanks Tony Rowan, Good morning, good morning.

712
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 19: Yeah.

713
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 7: Look, the previous toiler was talking about the fact he

714
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 7: was going to have to sell half his sheep, or

715
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 7: he was about to tomorrow. It suggests to me that

716
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 7: if he's only going to have half his income next year,

717
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 7: then the government's just kicked the ball down the road,

718
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 7: haven't they.

719
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 14: Because its work.

720
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,399
Speaker 12: That's a good argument this year.

721
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 6: That's a good argument unless, of course, it rains and

722
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 6: that's what they're really going to hope for. But you're right,

723
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 6: it is. Many of the farmers were saying on Friday.

724
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 6: This has kicked the situation down the road, and the

725
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 6: freeze is only the start. It's a reasonable start, but

726
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 6: it's only the start because they need so much more help.

727
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 6: If it doesn't right, No.

728
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 2: I reckon, I get rid of it entirely. I don't

729
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 2: think it comes back next year.

730
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,320
Speaker 6: No, not in an election.

731
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 5: Thanks for the call. We're running a bit behind my

732
00:36:55,920 --> 00:37:00,359
Speaker 5: bad for two we've got a minute, books a w

733
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 5: We've got a minute for you. Gary.

734
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 20: The present's police at the soccer administration. It's not just

735
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 20: to prepare, right, you know, to escort them to the game.

736
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 20: I mean, okay, they were all wars and they're lady

737
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 20: and there in vocal. But if they got out of

738
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 20: hand started smashing up property, that's where the public would

739
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 20: get really upset.

740
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 21: You know.

741
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 20: We now do a bit of silly and they they

742
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 20: do this sort of tribal change and all that. But

743
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 20: someone got drunk and started smashing windows and shops and

744
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 20: sworm that's where it would get really people get knicky

745
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,839
Speaker 20: on the police. So that's what they over prepare, I guess.

746
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 20: And that's just something that they're prepared to do because

747
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 20: we need to just in case.

748
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 6: I much prefer them to wive, but prepare them.

749
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 2: Except with the over preparing makes people want to add

750
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 2: up more.

751
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 6: I think you're good. Yeah, yeah, in this particular case,

752
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 6: they being collected.

753
00:37:54,680 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 5: Anyway, it's eleven another hour left over some level Sunday

754
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:09,760
Speaker 5: Morning with Darren Heidi m Nick. Do you remember Martha Jones,

755
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 5: Marsa Jones and the cookies?

756
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 6: Yeah, a little bit, a little bit before my time.

757
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 6: You're way older than me.

758
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 2: Remember, I have no idea what either of you are

759
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 2: talking about.

760
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 5: No, we've certainly heard that Master Jones sadly passed away overnight.

761
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,919
Speaker 6: Yeah, she announced I think last week she had lakemia.

762
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 6: But obviously, yeah, and she was hoping to make it

763
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 6: through to our eightieth birthday but she didn't unfortunately. Yeah,

764
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,280
Speaker 6: but she she she actually which I just heard in

765
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:42,879
Speaker 6: the news, She actually did. She performed as a sort

766
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 6: of the first act for the monkeys and those sorts

767
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 6: of people, so she had into the monkeys.

768
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 2: She does don't know the cookies.

769
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 5: Yeah, Graham has been hanging on Graham. Good morning to.

770
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 11: You are that's good.

771
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 22: I just wanted to make a comment and maybe asked

772
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 22: question about the Emergency Services levee. For weeks now, the

773
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 22: Allent government has been justifying their position quite strongly and

774
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 22: using adentifications like climate change and those sorts of things.

775
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 22: Now they're delaying it. Haidi has said that potentially they're

776
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 22: going to scrap it all together. What fills the gap

777
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 22: If you've identified the need and you've come out so

778
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 22: strongly to say these things need to be done in

779
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 22: order to be able to support the community, particularly rural

780
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 22: What happens if they don't bring it in or what

781
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 22: happens for the twelve months that it's not boardy.

782
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 19: Where did the money come from to the things that.

783
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 22: They said you needed?

784
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 2: So what it was due to bring in over the

785
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 2: next year was around seventy three million dollars and so

786
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 2: the budget will forego that extra seventy three million dollars.

787
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 2: The expansion of what was the Fire Services Levy to

788
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 2: this new levy Emergency Services Volunteer Fund is to pay

789
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 2: for a whole bunch of emergency services that used to

790
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 2: sit within government normal government business. They've moved them across

791
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 2: to this. As part of the justification for greatly increasing

792
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 2: the Fire Services Levy was to then pay for all

793
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 2: of these additional emergency services that were previously funded through

794
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 2: just normal government business. They'll just continue to be funded

795
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 2: through normal government business. They weren't all getting huge extra

796
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 2: injections on the basis of this massive increase to this fund.

797
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 2: There was, yes to be some increased spending for the

798
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 2: CFA and for fire services, but not a massive extra

799
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 2: injection of funds into them. It was just to become

800
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 2: a different funding stream to pay for all the services

801
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 2: that the government was already paying to run to free

802
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 2: up some money in a different part of their budget

803
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 2: for whatever they feel like spending it on.

804
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 6: And Graham, the Treasurer, said on Friday that it would

805
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 6: not affect any of their current commitments. But you're right,

806
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 6: if in the long term they don't get that money,

807
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 6: they're going to have to find it elsewhere, and you

808
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 6: would assume that from the taxpayer, either from the taxpayer

809
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 6: or cutty or debt.

810
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, or maybe they could at a different part of

811
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 2: government spending and divert money away from that into this

812
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 2: core business.

813
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 12: Yeah.

814
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:19,280
Speaker 22: It's just another example of a government that is unable

815
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,280
Speaker 22: to manage finances, balance the books, I think.

816
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 6: But I also think, and they wouldn't admit this on Friday,

817
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 6: but I also think they grossly underestimated the reaction in

818
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 6: the Bush. And I don't think there are enough people

819
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 6: within Caucus saying it is really really bad out there,

820
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 6: and this has been going on for two years. It

821
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 6: is really bad out there, and this is going to

822
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 6: be the volcano. This is going to be the explosion.

823
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 6: You've actually set off the volcano by doing this, And

824
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 6: I don't think.

825
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 2: They realized that they thought they're cell job. They thought

826
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 2: they spin job on it would be strong enough that

827
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 2: people would understand the case they were making and understand

828
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 2: their justification for it.

829
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 6: Delusional.

830
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 2: But what they're looking what I think farmer's primary users

831
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 2: we're looking at, was that added cost to them at

832
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 2: a really difficult time. Brian Freddie could have told you

833
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 2: that was a bad thing, like a terrible call to make,

834
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:09,919
Speaker 2: so I had to be I mean, it's the second

835
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 2: thing they've walked away from in the space of a week.

836
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 2: I mean, suddenly we could introduce the ban on machette

837
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,760
Speaker 2: sales much sooner than September one. Now we can suddenly

838
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 2: hit pause on something that they believed was entirely justifiable

839
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 2: in the wake of pushback. And the reason I say

840
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 2: I don't think it comes back next year is that

841
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 2: next year is an election year. They're not going to

842
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 2: want to go Graham into a budget next year putting

843
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 2: an extra charge back on farmers. Even if we have

844
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 2: a spectacular spring in summer, farmers aren't suddenly going to

845
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,879
Speaker 2: be bouncing back to positions in a couple of years ago.

846
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 2: There will be just as much fury at a charge

847
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 2: coming back at you on top of what you're already facing,

848
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 2: and in an election year the government would be mad,

849
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 2: absolutely mad to do that.

850
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 5: Thanks Graham for the call. Now Machetes the ban, the

851
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 5: band Machetes are still being bought though from into are

852
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 5: they or online from anywhere in the world.

853
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 2: I think the big retailers, your reputable retailers, took them

854
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 2: off the shelves months ago, back when the first when

855
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 2: talk of a band sort.

856
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 5: Of something's banned, like prohibition Nike, it all goes under it.

857
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 6: But I also don't understand how in this online world now,

858
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 6: when you've got your Ebays and your Amazons, how a

859
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 6: ban in Victoria, how they can actually stop people buying

860
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,879
Speaker 6: it online in Victoria when they're selling them to the world.

861
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 6: And I don't understand the legality of that well, and

862
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 6: I don't understand the process of that, the logistics of

863
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 6: that particularly scene. And this is a problem why there

864
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 6: is not a national band. If there's going to be,

865
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 6: there should be a national band. And Victoria, you know,

866
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 6: the Victoria is bouncing up and down saying we're leading

867
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 6: an Australia wide first and that's great, but you know,

868
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 6: there is also a lack of point of doing it

869
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:51,919
Speaker 6: when you're on your pack.

870
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 5: Let's find out more by talking to Gary Mortimer, Professor

871
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 5: of Marketing and Consumer Behavior at Queensland University of Technology.

872
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 5: Ban on machetes in Victoria almost impossible, I'm sure Gary.

873
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:04,320
Speaker 5: Do you agree?

874
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 18: Yeah?

875
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 23: I agree, it's very difficult to do statewide bands. You're

876
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 23: right probably the need to bring in a national ban.

877
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 23: But even with a national ban on those types of weapons,

878
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 23: it's incredibly difficult to police and to monitor. You're right

879
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 23: about the online channels. You can jump onto a variety

880
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 23: of online international marketplaces and buy those types of products.

881
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 13: You could buy them privately.

882
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 23: There's nothing stopping me selling machete out of my back

883
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 23: garage and to people. And if they put an age

884
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 23: ban on it, nothing stopping an eighteen ninety year old,

885
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 23: you know, buying them and then providing them to fifteen

886
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 23: sixteen year olds. It is incredibly challenging to police monitor.

887
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 6: Is there anything that can be done, say a reputable

888
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 6: organization like and Worldwide eBay, Amazon? Is there anything forcing

889
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 6: them or to do something so they don't sell to Victorians?

890
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 6: Is there anything it works?

891
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 24: Yeah?

892
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 23: Listen, geo tracking technology, you know, if you're based you know,

893
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 23: in Victoria. You're trying to buy a machete or a

894
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 23: large knife off of an eBay or Amazon, you know,

895
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,280
Speaker 23: you have to have a delivery address. It would prevent

896
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 23: those types of sales going to that event. But you

897
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 23: know there's ways around that. VPNs, for example, may you

898
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 23: know hyde you a delivery address. You could have a

899
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 23: delivery dress to a post office and then zip over

900
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 23: the border and collect the item. You know, freight forwarders

901
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 23: can send it from a delivery address and then to

902
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 23: your address. You can use third parties as well. It

903
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 23: becomes very complex. I think the Victorian government's made the

904
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 23: right position to put a ban in place, but I

905
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 23: guess the next challenge is how do you police that band?

906
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 2: And you can't You can't buy those sounds of that really.

907
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, you can go store to store and

908
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 2: check that they're not on display.

909
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 6: But they've got fourteen people of the.

910
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 2: Task force, fourteen people who are also meant to be

911
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 2: looking after renters, also meant to be checking on cigarettes

912
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 2: and vapes, and.

913
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 6: They're flat out so gary. But also, I supposely the

914
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 6: question also is whether your EBAs and your Amazons they

915
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 6: might sort of give it, you know, flap their lips

916
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 6: and yeah, sure, we'll give it a go for you.

917
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 6: But do they really go in hard to help Victoria

918
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 6: with the band, given they're dealing with the world and

919
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 6: Victoria is a very very small market.

920
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 23: Well, I think you'll find most referable retailers and online

921
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:33,280
Speaker 23: marketplaces like Amazon are very compliant and will work well

922
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,320
Speaker 23: and continue to work well with governments and legislators to

923
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 23: affect changes. But ultimately it's about when they're in place,

924
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 23: how do you then control for it or how do

925
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 23: you remove it. You talk briefly about the issues around vapes,

926
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 23: and we've obviously similar the criminality around that. I mean,

927
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 23: I know directly end if my apartment building, there's a

928
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Speaker 23: small business itself apes, it's been there for months. There's

929
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:02,800
Speaker 23: unfortunately not enough I guess control mechanisms in place, personnel

930
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 23: on the ground to remove them. So I think Retoil's

931
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 23: doing the right thing. We saw coals And a few

932
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Speaker 23: months ago remove all knives from this store for an

933
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 23: awful event happening up here in Queensland with the stabbing

934
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Speaker 23: of a worker. So the knives are off the shelves,

935
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Speaker 23: but it doesn't stop people getting hold of the knives.

936
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Speaker 23: You can walk through a kitchen retailer and find knives

937
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 23: very quickly. At an army disposal business will also saw

938
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Speaker 23: them as well.

939
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and the other thing is, if it's not machetes,

940
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Speaker 5: there's other implements. There are other tools available. I heard

941
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 5: a rumor that Bunnings are selling out of hatchets, so

942
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 5: you've got to hold it's a different tool. But you know,

943
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 5: what do you do? Where do you stop it?

944
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 23: Well? I mean I think this comes back to sort

945
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 23: of I guess the complexities and the facial complexities of

946
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 23: not just use crime, but crime in general.

947
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 24: And you walk through a.

948
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Speaker 23: Buddy camping fishing store and you can pick up fishing knives,

949
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 23: you know, where does it stop? You know, baseball bats

950
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 23: and the sporting goods retailer. Where does it stop? I mean,

951
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 23: ultimately it comes back to I guess, affecting appropriate time

952
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 23: or criminal charges against people that are using these types

953
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 23: of products. Banning them is one thing, but it's incredibly

954
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:12,760
Speaker 23: difficult to ban and also police.

955
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, hey, Gary, thanks for joining us on a Sunday morning.

956
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 5: Gary Mortimer, Professor of Marketing and Consumer Behavior at the

957
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Speaker 5: Queensland University of Technology.

958
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Speaker 2: It is an interesting thing isn't it. And where this

959
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 2: is a ban purely on the sales, this doesn't do

960
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,320
Speaker 2: anything to remove a single one that's already out there

961
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 2: in the universe.

962
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 6: In the world and start.

963
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:36,359
Speaker 2: And one of the reasons that the government repeatedly said

964
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,839
Speaker 2: up until Monday, said that I have to wait till

965
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 2: September one to bring in the ban on sales was

966
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 2: that they wanted to work through our process of what

967
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 2: exemptions you can have, because the reason there are machetes

968
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 2: in stores, giant knives like this in hardware stores, in

969
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 2: boating cabbing, fishing stores, is that there is a use

970
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 2: for them. There's an agricultural use for them. There's a

971
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:02,280
Speaker 2: use for them if you're a hamper having to slash

972
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,720
Speaker 2: your way through some areas of the bush to move around.

973
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 2: There are farmers use them, there are reasons to use

974
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 2: them to have them. That's why they've been a product

975
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 2: that can be sold. And this is a blanket, like

976
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 2: an entire ban. That process with the exemptions and stuff

977
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 2: will still kick in in September. We just don't know

978
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 2: what the exemptions will be. Hey, go about it. What

979
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:24,879
Speaker 2: piece of paper you have to show who's keeping track of.

980
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 6: What's were, But in the meantime there are some veggie

981
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 6: farmers out in Gipslane in particular that need them and

982
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 6: they can't buy them. Hopefully they've got enough to keep

983
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 6: them going through.

984
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,439
Speaker 5: If you'd like to comment one double three six nine

985
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 5: three at nineteen past eleven and to George, good morning.

986
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 18: Good morning. Nick McCallum interestingly called for a nationwide ban

987
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 18: on machetes. Well, you know, we have cabbage and colieflower

988
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 18: growers here in Victoria, but there's not too many of them,

989
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 18: but they need them.

990
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 6: Make exemptions, George, make exemption.

991
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 18: What about the thousands of cain and pineapple growers in

992
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 18: northern New South Wales and Queensland? Are you going to

993
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 18: get a national band on that?

994
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 6: Make exemption? Make exemptions.

995
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 18: I'll make up exemptions for thousands. Go up to the

996
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 18: Victoria market, do it all the time when in pineapple seasons.

997
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 18: On how they process them and cut the tops off

998
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 18: them and then how they skin them is you can

999
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 18: do that with a knife. You're a better man than

1000
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 18: I am.

1001
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 6: Well, clearly I'm not a better man than you are,

1002
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 6: but I make exemptions that exemptions are made for these

1003
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 6: particular sorts of bands or laws all the time. And

1004
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 6: I'm sorry you missed us just before the break talking

1005
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 6: about the fact that veggie farmers need them in Victoria,

1006
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 6: particularly down in Gippsland. Cabbage, coffee, flower, those sorts of farmers.

1007
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 18: Of course you do attempt she wants to. When the

1008
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 18: police try and arrest them, can say, oh no, no,

1009
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 18: I'm here at George. It's a little bit more in them,

1010
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:01,800
Speaker 18: but I'm a veggie farmer.

1011
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:07,839
Speaker 6: It's George. It happens all the time, don't you be ridiculous.

1012
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 6: Police are not that dumb. If you're you know, they know,

1013
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 6: they know. And if you have a piece of paper

1014
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 6: that says yes, you can have it. It's pretty straightforward.

1015
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 6: It's like exemptions that are made for all sorts of

1016
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 6: things for farming. Farmers can fertilizer, which can you know

1017
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 6: is sadly has been used for nefarious activities in the past.

1018
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 6: Farmers get exemption for that all the time. That's the

1019
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 6: way it works.

1020
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 5: Thanks George. To Jeff, good morning, Oh goody guys.

1021
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 21: I think this is being approached from the wrong way altogether.

1022
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 21: I just purely be possession, and that can be possessed

1023
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 21: in certain prescribed areas. In other words, not a stronger

1024
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 21: cane plate, but it's certainly you know, a shopping center,

1025
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 21: and all they have to do is issue all the

1026
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 21: cops out there were those metal protecting ones that you

1027
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 21: see that the MC, the airports.

1028
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 9: It would be a simple fix of things.

1029
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, I mean possessed. The possession bad is coming

1030
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 2: in September one. You're saying just anywhere, but say on

1031
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:06,280
Speaker 2: a farming property it's banned.

1032
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 21: Yeah, it make it regional, or just make it shopping

1033
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 21: centers and that type of thing. You know, train stations

1034
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 21: that it's just common sense, really are Yeah, I.

1035
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:19,840
Speaker 2: Guess you just got to. But when you're buying your machete,

1036
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 2: are your bunnings to take it to your farm? You

1037
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 2: covered for all of that patch of time.

1038
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 21: Well, I supposed to be suppliers that supply farms as

1039
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 21: they supply any other equipment on a farm, So it's

1040
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 21: really through your employer.

1041
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 5: Thanks Jeff. To Peter, good morning.

1042
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 25: Can I guys A lot of people are missing the point.

1043
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 25: It's about will and resources because as a big Pile member,

1044
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 25: I can tell you that carrying or sorry ex big

1045
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 25: pile member, I can tell you that carrying a knife,

1046
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 25: a machete or even a baseball bat without a valid purpose,

1047
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 25: has been against the law all of my lifetime.

1048
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, So with that so charge, How I suppose the problem, Peter,

1049
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 6: is how difficult is it to prove that an if

1050
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 6: it is as a band, would it be a lot

1051
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 6: easier to prove it, either in the court of law

1052
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 6: or just to pick people up. I suppose that's the problem,

1053
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:19,839
Speaker 6: isn't it.

1054
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 26: Well, if you've got if you've got a butcher's knife,

1055
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:25,879
Speaker 26: you've got to be a butcher. And if you haven't

1056
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 26: got you haven't got an excuse or any other valid

1057
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 26: excuse for it. It has always been against the law.

1058
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 26: And as I say, baseball bats, if you're not a

1059
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 26: baseball player, if you're not going to a baseball game,

1060
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 26: you cannot carry a baseball bat down the streets. It's

1061
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 26: as black and white as that. So it it's never

1062
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 26: been in force, that's the problem.

1063
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 6: Okay.

1064
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, So if a seventeen year old wearing an exact

1065
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 5: do hoodie in black is carrying a butcher's knife, pretty

1066
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 5: easy to tell her not a butcher?

1067
00:53:56,719 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 2: Correct, an apprentice? You becorying?

1068
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:00,879
Speaker 27: Good?

1069
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:05,479
Speaker 2: Good point, you'd have an apron with you.

1070
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, that goes to George who was that goes to

1071
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 6: George who was on the war path. There are exemptions

1072
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 6: and so many exempt for trade's in particular. They carry

1073
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 6: around things that could be perceived to be deadly all

1074
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 6: the time, but you make exemptions.

1075
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 5: Thanks Peter, you have a bit of kidney might have

1076
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:29,400
Speaker 5: fallen on the runner. Frank, good morning, Good morning guys.

1077
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:33,720
Speaker 9: Just have a point while we're talking about banning knives,

1078
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:37,760
Speaker 9: when the problem is crime, particularly youth crime and gang crime,

1079
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 9: what is the government and Victorian's police plan to deal

1080
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 9: with this.

1081
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 2: Well, this is one part of their plan, which is

1082
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:49,280
Speaker 2: removed the supply of them, remove access to the weapons.

1083
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 6: They restrict the excess, which hopefully helps then the crime

1084
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 6: enforcement part of it.

1085
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 9: Why are we dealing with that? First? Do they not

1086
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 9: know where these gangs are? They not know where these

1087
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 9: crimes are being committed with you, Frank, Well.

1088
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:04,800
Speaker 2: They didn't know these two were going to get together

1089
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 2: at a Northland shopping center the other weekend and run

1090
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:08,919
Speaker 2: around at each other with something.

1091
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,240
Speaker 6: Part of the problem with that part of the problem.

1092
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 9: They monitor social media, surely they would.

1093
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 2: Know, Yeah, but often often planned fight.

1094
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 6: It's often really difficult to all the time of the

1095
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,760
Speaker 6: social media. That makes it difficult, But your point is true.

1096
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 6: I mean, I was quite horrified that a number of

1097
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:32,320
Speaker 6: people who were involved in that incident were given.

1098
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:35,359
Speaker 2: By several were several and multar points. Several were out

1099
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 2: on bail on some pretty serious offenses.

1100
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 9: And so they know who these people are. Why aren't

1101
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:42,959
Speaker 9: they monitoring them?

1102
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:44,800
Speaker 6: And contrast, we're.

1103
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Speaker 2: Going to monitor all of them, but they would be

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00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 2: great to be mind read? Is we just freaking can't?

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00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 5: Well, how do you monitor across the border?

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00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 9: Let's contrast that with last night? How heavy was the

1107
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:57,840
Speaker 9: police president on Swan Street?

1108
00:55:58,640 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it looked pretty heavy to me.

1109
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 9: Stay can mount in an operation like that? Why can't

1110
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,840
Speaker 9: they mountain and operation at a shopping center and a

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00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 9: suburbs You want a hundred.

1112
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 2: Cops standing outside of police outside of shopping center?

1113
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 9: Why not?

1114
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:16,839
Speaker 6: Do you want any? Do you want any cops doing

1115
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 6: anything else? Because if you're going to put one hundred

1116
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:22,399
Speaker 6: cops outside every shopping center in Melbourne or a Victoria,

1117
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 6: then you're not going to have a lot of cops

1118
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 6: for everything else.

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00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 9: I'm not saying they do this all the time, but

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Speaker 9: they can mount an operation.

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00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 6: And I think you'll find it. But you're also the

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00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 6: police have been quite out there about the fact they

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00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 6: have been monitoring the main movers and shakers of a

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00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 6: lot of this youth violence. They have been monitoring them

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00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 6: way over a long time period of time. But of

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00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 6: course you can't monitor everyone all the time, particularly with

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00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:54,359
Speaker 6: the social media being the way it is. Spontaneous sort

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00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 6: of things like happened at Northland where they a range

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00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 6: of fight, it's really difficult for anyone to beil and

1130
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:00,360
Speaker 6: monitor to that.

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00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 2: And look, I reckon police can do what police can do,

1132
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 2: but you've heard plenty of frustration from them over the journey.

1133
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:09,760
Speaker 2: We get them, we take them in, they're bounced back out.

1134
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 2: There were a number of these kids involved in Northland

1135
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 2: the other weekend who were on bail for offenses, for

1136
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 2: serious offenses, for serious weapons offenses, and yet there you

1137
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 2: are on bail and out and able to so that

1138
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 2: that's an ongoing frustration where the courts don't do what

1139
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 2: any of the rest of us want them to do,

1140
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 2: well most of the rest of us want them to do.

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00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 5: Peter McKenna number six, he reckons that they have it

1142
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 5: at the it happened at the shopping center, he believes,

1143
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 5: and I agree with him. I think because it's on

1144
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 5: social media, they know they're going to make the news.

1145
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 5: They believe that it's they're going to be social media.

1146
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 5: He says, they you't won't find them meeting up at

1147
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 5: an oval in rural.

1148
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 2: Victoria where no one's got a camera.

1149
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 5: No one's got a camera. I agree with that.

1150
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 6: I agree with in terms of this because it is

1151
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 6: a social media. They love to be seen to be tough.

1152
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 6: And even when they're breaking road laws and speeding and

1153
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 6: stuff like that, people are still putting themselves on social

1154
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 6: media saying look look at me. It's a it's it's

1155
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 6: just part of the modern society. I don't get this

1156
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 6: whole social media thing posing about how good.

1157
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 2: We are posting by other people exactly, and.

1158
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 6: You become a hero for being an absolute guess what's

1159
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 6: coming up?

1160
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 2: You're just giving them.

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00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 6: Exactly.

1162
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Speaker 5: Do you have a prediction as to watch up next?

1163
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 2: Yes?

1164
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 5: I do? What is it?

1165
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 7: Well?

1166
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 2: I was part of the discussion earlier. I so we

1167
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 2: should do slather at whack at eleven thirty. Guess what, Well,

1168
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 2: it's eleven thirty one. You're running ways all.

1169
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 5: Right, Well, let's get crazy with you, hey, Heidi lucky

1170
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 5: they haven't banned whips.

1171
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 2: But they wouldn't.

1172
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 5: They wouldn't. We wouldn't have a segment.

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00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 6: If they did, they'd be three a w listeners protesting

1174
00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 6: at the front of Parliament.

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00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 5: I've got a great way for the state government to

1176
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 5: make some money the food deliverers. This morning, when I

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Speaker 5: rode my motorbike down Colin Street in five degree temperatures,

1178
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 5: there was no one on the roads except myself and

1179
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 5: another guy that came. I was sitting in exactly forty

1180
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 5: kilometers per hour going down Colin Street in the bike lane.

1181
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 5: A flash came past me. It was a food deliverer

1182
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 5: and on one of those electric bikes with a big battery.

1183
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 5: He would have been going fifty. As I saw in

1184
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 5: the distance the lights at the corner of Exhibition and

1185
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 5: Colins Go Amber, I prepared to slow down and.

1186
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 2: Stop because you're a responsible road user, which I did.

1187
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:39,439
Speaker 5: They turned the color red, so I came to a halt,

1188
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 5: heading in the westerly direction.

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00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 2: Westerly direction, Great.

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00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 6: You're encouraging. Let's get to the point. Let's get to

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00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 6: the point.

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00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 5: The aforementioned food deliverer proceeded in that western elelection to

1193
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 5: bypass the red light on full red, and can continue

1194
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 5: on down Colin Street at a speed of around fifty

1195
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 5: to sixty kilometers in the bike lane.

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01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 2: These misslides not apply to the bike line.

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01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 5: No, apparently not. These motorbikes that they are on, they

1198
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 5: are electric motorbikes. There is a motor they are not

1199
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 5: obeying the law. They would be easily be able to

1200
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:18,479
Speaker 5: register it because they've got big boxes hanging off the back.

1201
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 5: As the Yuba driver said to me that I was

1202
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 5: discussing it with, he has to go jump through hoops

1203
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 5: to make sure his car is registered, to make sure

1204
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 5: it's roadworthy. We saw a food deliverer, the Uber driver

1205
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 5: and I without a helmet on. Now, the food delivery

1206
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 5: companies aren't held accountable at all for what's going on.

1207
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 5: So just get them to register the food delivery bikes,

1208
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:44,600
Speaker 5: get them to obey the law, get them to have

1209
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 5: even maybe a proper driver's license, because until that happens,

1210
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 5: there's going to be accidents and catastrophe in this town.

1211
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 6: I must see, I must say I agree with you.

1212
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 6: IMS got skintled on yesterday and the way home where

1213
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 6: a similar situation. The writer driving up the bike lane

1214
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 6: decided to cut the corner, so jumped onto the footpath.

1215
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 6: Dring tring, You get out of the already said to me,

1216
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 6: and kept on going. I agree with you. I reckon

1217
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 6: we should contemplate as some form of registration for those

1218
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 6: particular types of food delivery vehicles regio plate, if that

1219
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 6: is possible.

1220
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 5: Breaking the law.

1221
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 2: Is it just in city streets or is it in

1222
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 2: suburban areas as well?

1223
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 6: Is it just the suburban?

1224
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 5: Are you listening? Are you listening? Campbell?

1225
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 2: A lot of them in the CBD. Is it as

1226
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 2: big a deal? Is it as big an issue today?

1227
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 2: But are they around?

1228
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 6: I mean, must imagine that have to be in. I

1229
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 6: mean because there are a lot of suburban strip areas

1230
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 6: where there are a lot.

1231
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 5: Of restaurants street and the best.

1232
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 6: Way to get calls on this is to tell people

1233
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 6: you don't want calls on this.

1234
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 5: If you don't want to discuss, call one double three

1235
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:56,520
Speaker 5: six three.

1236
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 2: If you do want to discuss, if you do, and.

1237
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:01,920
Speaker 6: Nick yeah, I'm my is for the Liberal party, the

1238
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 6: Victorian needs where do we want to start? But the

1239
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 6: Victoria strong a strong opposition at the moment, given the

1240
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 6: financial problems and also the draft problems. The Liberal party

1241
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 6: whacking itself pursuito versus deeming. That's all coming to a

1242
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 6: head next I think about three weeks. He's now got

1243
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 6: to pay otherwise he's out. They're going to face a

1244
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 6: very difficult by election. And also these attacks on Sam growth. Now,

1245
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 6: everything that Sam has done, he has actually declared. You know,

1246
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 6: you can.

1247
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 5: Argue it's not a good thing, wrong, well anything.

1248
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 6: The only thing is the you know, they're using Georgie

1249
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 6: Crozy's car, which does need to be explained. But you know,

1250
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 6: you notice the government is not going that hard on

1251
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 6: Sam because they know that he is the Shadow Minister

1252
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 6: for Sport and Tourism, so of course he's got to

1253
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 6: go to these events, these these as you know, Heidi,

1254
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 6: these leaks, most of them he would assume are coming

1255
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 6: from with his own part.

1256
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, Labor doesn't need to go hard on him.

1257
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 6: His own hard.

1258
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 5: They're hiding themselves.

1259
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 6: And part of that is because Sam was so upfront

1260
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 6: so early about his ambitions to be premiere, which in

1261
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 6: retrospect I think was a foolish thing to do within

1262
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 6: his own party. But still get it. I mean, Brad

1263
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 6: Betten is their best chance as a leader at the moment,

1264
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:25,440
Speaker 6: he's getting no oxygen.

1265
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 2: This week has been an absolute write off for the

1266
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 2: Liberal Party, for the state opposition. I have watched it

1267
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 2: unfolding at close quarters and just gone. It is four

1268
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 2: more years for labor in twenty twenty six November twenty

1269
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 2: twenty six, on the current yes, on the current trajectory,

1270
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:48,439
Speaker 2: on the current performance of the coalition, it is four

1271
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 2: more years of labor because what alternative are they giving you?

1272
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 2: But not much is the answer. Not freaking much. There

1273
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 2: was even a budget reply speech from the Shadow Treasurer

1274
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 2: this week which was full of number plate slogans, a

1275
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 2: go for growth slogan that was adopted from the Howard

1276
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 2: and Costello disastrous campaign of two thousand and seven that

1277
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:13,919
Speaker 2: they lost, and he was trying to have cut through

1278
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 2: with some with some tax changes. It's died a quiet

1279
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 2: like quiet death because so much is being leaked about

1280
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:25,440
Speaker 2: the Sam Groth matter and being pushed along to have

1281
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:28,360
Speaker 2: even had a former senior Liberal and she's still a

1282
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 2: senior Liberal, but she's in the leadership team. Georgie Crozier

1283
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:35,520
Speaker 2: on Friday saying about Sam growth, Victorians deserve better. That's

1284
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:37,960
Speaker 2: a member of your own team. All it has been

1285
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,520
Speaker 2: on display this week when it should be about the

1286
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:42,920
Speaker 2: government's backflip on machetes, it should be about the government's

1287
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 2: backflip on this on this levee, it should be about

1288
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 2: so many other things. It's about the more redeeming pursuito

1289
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:53,960
Speaker 2: Moira Deeming, John Persudo legal fight, his possible future, and

1290
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 2: division inside that coalition party disaster disaster.

1291
01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:01,560
Speaker 6: But the thing is the old, the gladage governments get

1292
01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 6: voted out and there are certainly within the opinion pulse

1293
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 6: moods that people want this government voted out. So all

1294
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 6: the opposition has to do is unite, shut up and

1295
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 6: talk about the major issues, which are the economy. I

1296
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:17,640
Speaker 6: can't do and they but they've they've got to be

1297
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 6: able to do that. They've got to have discipline within

1298
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:22,000
Speaker 6: their own party room to do that.

1299
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 5: I'm confused. Is that your slatherin whack or are you

1300
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 5: reacting to Nick?

1301
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:27,200
Speaker 2: I was reacting to Nick, So you got another one.

1302
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:31,080
Speaker 2: I was reading the paper yesterday. The City of Melbourne

1303
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 2: wants to bring in thirty k zones.

1304
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 5: Oh please, my entire whack is my food delivery is

1305
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 5: come on thirty forty forty to be.

1306
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:46,160
Speaker 6: Well, to be brutally honest most of the time. During

1307
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:48,960
Speaker 6: the week. You can't go more than thirty anyway, you.

1308
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 2: Can't go more than twenty.

1309
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:54,240
Speaker 6: But it's just you don't need to do it.

1310
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 2: Give us a break, just a break, just before the.

1311
01:05:56,720 --> 01:06:00,960
Speaker 5: Break, Darryl, good morning, good morning, too quick things.

1312
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:05,040
Speaker 27: All vehicles, whether they did push bikes, motorized or not,

1313
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:09,200
Speaker 27: there should be some type of registration system because people

1314
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:12,840
Speaker 27: have died by getting hit by push bikes, so we

1315
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:14,280
Speaker 27: just need to register them all.

1316
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 4: The second thing is, o MG.

1317
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:20,680
Speaker 27: The Liberal Party, bring your ranks together, for for goodness sake,

1318
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:24,480
Speaker 27: haven't they ever heard of united? We stand divided, we fall.

1319
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 27: What a bunch of muppets and I vote for him,

1320
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:28,760
Speaker 27: so I apologize your.

1321
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 6: Voted for muppets.

1322
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 2: It's war, It's outright war, unbelievable.

1323
01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:35,760
Speaker 6: But when you look in that party room, their best

1324
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:38,400
Speaker 6: bet at the moment as a leader is Brad Batton.

1325
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:40,280
Speaker 2: And they're given them I don't agree.

1326
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:44,640
Speaker 6: Well else have they've given them nothing? Matthew Guy, Well, yeah,

1327
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:47,840
Speaker 6: and Matthew as lovely a man as he is, and

1328
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 6: as having been a full member of this panel a

1329
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 6: few times. I mean he's had a couple of quick

1330
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:54,160
Speaker 6: shots at it and they.

1331
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:58,880
Speaker 2: Worked out Jeff Kennant and one on the third Oh no,

1332
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:01,320
Speaker 2: you look at me, I look at you back like that.

1333
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:03,880
Speaker 2: But there are other elements.

1334
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:08,040
Speaker 6: With the greatest Amanda respect to Matthew Guy. I don't

1335
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:10,440
Speaker 6: think Matthew is Jeff Kennan.

1336
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:14,120
Speaker 5: I've just been reminded. We think that there's there's thirty

1337
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 5: kilometer zones in parts.

1338
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 2: Of the Council of the error are yes, yes, City

1339
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:21,360
Speaker 2: of Melbourne is looking at it for East Melbourne areas

1340
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 2: of East Melbourne, leaving.

1341
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:27,240
Speaker 5: Out sixteen to twelve and to many good morning, Good

1342
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:28,280
Speaker 5: morning team.

1343
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:28,840
Speaker 12: Pardon me.

1344
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:32,920
Speaker 17: I've got a very very easy solution. Why doesn't the

1345
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 17: government introduce the law to say, zero tolerance, zilch zero,

1346
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:39,640
Speaker 17: don't even carry a twith pick because if you're caught

1347
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 17: carrying one or carrying a weapon, three months mandatory jail

1348
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:46,600
Speaker 17: and two thousand dollars fine. And you know what, whilst

1349
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:49,080
Speaker 17: they're in jail, get a hardened criminal to talk to

1350
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 17: them and explain what life is like living in jail.

1351
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:56,480
Speaker 17: I reckon that that was sort of the problem. Zero tolerance,

1352
01:07:56,560 --> 01:07:57,280
Speaker 17: zero zilch.

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01:07:57,520 --> 01:07:58,600
Speaker 5: Okay, thanks Manny.

1354
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 6: It's unfortun that could work with machetes, but unfortunately with knives.

1355
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:07,040
Speaker 6: There are so many people in the community that have

1356
01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:09,120
Speaker 6: knives for their work, butchers one of them.

1357
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:12,400
Speaker 5: To Shane, good morning.

1358
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:16,439
Speaker 14: Good morning guys. As you're saying, butcher's nick. I am

1359
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 14: a retired butcher and in the late seventies eighties, when

1360
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 14: I used to go to William Anglis, we were told

1361
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 14: we have to wrap our knives and newspapers and then

1362
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:29,040
Speaker 14: put them in a bag and have a closed bag

1363
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:32,560
Speaker 14: because obviously we were traveling on train or public transport.

1364
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:36,439
Speaker 6: And is that still applicable Do they still have to

1365
01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:36,760
Speaker 6: do that?

1366
01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:42,360
Speaker 14: I don't know, you I you know, I'm sixty something,

1367
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:43,519
Speaker 14: so that was when I.

1368
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:47,680
Speaker 2: Was Yeah, but butchers still need knives. Yeah, and when

1369
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:50,040
Speaker 2: you're doing your apprenticeships, Yeah, you'd need to go in,

1370
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:53,320
Speaker 2: do your stuff and unless and leave with your equipment.

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01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:53,880
Speaker 2: I would sink.

1372
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:57,320
Speaker 14: Im'd say you would still have to cover them up. Yeah,

1373
01:08:57,400 --> 01:08:59,160
Speaker 14: to go on public transport, yeah.

1374
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:03,040
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, But in terms of how you go and

1375
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:06,280
Speaker 2: you're able to purchase those knives, or how you're able

1376
01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:10,200
Speaker 2: to start carrying a card with you.

1377
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:08,920
Speaker 25: What.

1378
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:11,760
Speaker 6: Details that have to be worked out?

1379
01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:12,679
Speaker 5: Thanks Shane.

1380
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:18,120
Speaker 24: To Bill, good morning, Hi, guys, love of the program. Listen,

1381
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:20,679
Speaker 24: I'm sick and tirle of these stugs being where they're

1382
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:23,600
Speaker 24: on bail. The new law they're going to bring in

1383
01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:26,320
Speaker 24: doesn't do much. But if they go out and bail

1384
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:30,240
Speaker 24: might not fit a bloody ankle base tool, put them

1385
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:33,680
Speaker 24: on a curfe curfe and if you know they can

1386
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:36,920
Speaker 24: track them, at least maybe get onto the thing before

1387
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:39,320
Speaker 24: it even starts.

1388
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:44,200
Speaker 2: They are starting a trial of some ankle monitoring for

1389
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:46,760
Speaker 2: about fifty youth defenders. I think the first couple are

1390
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:50,559
Speaker 2: on them now, particularly serious recidibus defenders. I don't think

1391
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:52,080
Speaker 2: you can do it with everybody that you put out

1392
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:54,639
Speaker 2: on bail. We haven't got that many bracelets. We haven't

1393
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:57,679
Speaker 2: got that much capacity to do the monitoring of them.

1394
01:09:57,720 --> 01:10:00,680
Speaker 2: And I very much get the sense that the bracelets

1395
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 2: are about after the fact, proving the case, rather than

1396
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 2: being able to be preventative to go out and catch

1397
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:09,680
Speaker 2: them as their breaching curfew or as they're going to

1398
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:14,640
Speaker 2: perform something illegal. It's much more about building the case afterwards,

1399
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 2: other than too soft stopping rather than stopping them. I

1400
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:21,000
Speaker 2: just don't think we've got the equipment or the manpower

1401
01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 2: to be absolutely monitoring every single one of people or

1402
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 2: youth or adults let out on bail. We haven't got

1403
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:32,200
Speaker 2: the resourcing to be able to monitor them. And the

1404
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:34,639
Speaker 2: moment they step outside during curfew, quick call the dog,

1405
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:35,320
Speaker 2: quick call.

1406
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:38,360
Speaker 5: Too soft.

1407
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:43,120
Speaker 6: But having the youth leader, that the leaders of these

1408
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:47,160
Speaker 6: youth gangs, having them monitored is at least a start.

1409
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:49,840
Speaker 6: I agree with you. You can't do everyone. You'd never

1410
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 6: stop crime even if you have a policeman on every corner.

1411
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:56,559
Speaker 6: And that's an old expression, but you can still at

1412
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 6: least try with that tracking over a.

1413
01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:00,719
Speaker 2: Piece to provide some give it to Terrance.

1414
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:02,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, Frank, good morning.

1415
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:04,519
Speaker 12: Yes, good morning.

1416
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:08,799
Speaker 28: I just want to speak about the bio laws. Putting

1417
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:12,439
Speaker 28: those ankle bracelets and monitors on. That's all really well,

1418
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:17,600
Speaker 28: But until I always thought that bail, I'm sure he

1419
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:21,240
Speaker 28: had to be put forward like a summer money. Make

1420
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:24,880
Speaker 28: somebody accountable. And I'm not talking too and sixpence, No,

1421
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:26,719
Speaker 28: I'm talking five thousand dollars.

1422
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:27,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, good cost.

1423
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:30,800
Speaker 28: The parents accountable, Yeah, parents accountable.

1424
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:35,360
Speaker 6: Unfortunately, unfortunately, Frank, for the vast majority of people, they

1425
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:36,479
Speaker 6: wouldn't be able to afford that.

1426
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:37,639
Speaker 5: Well, then you put him in jail.

1427
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:40,720
Speaker 6: Well, so you put everyone in jail, and so what

1428
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:43,519
Speaker 6: for for minor offenses? And then what had happened to

1429
01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:48,480
Speaker 6: your parents? Seriously, well, you cannot be putting.

1430
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:50,080
Speaker 5: Some money.

1431
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:54,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, we're going to have an MCG for the people

1432
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:58,400
Speaker 6: who are doing minor crimes. And what about you? What

1433
01:11:58,439 --> 01:12:00,320
Speaker 6: why don't we do this? You know, you put parents

1434
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:02,479
Speaker 6: in jail for what your kids do? What about you

1435
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:06,040
Speaker 6: put the parents in jail? Why don't you put the

1436
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:08,000
Speaker 6: kids in jail for what the parents do as well?

1437
01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:09,320
Speaker 5: Not a bad idea.

1438
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:12,600
Speaker 6: Your kids would love that? How your kids would love that?

1439
01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:18,559
Speaker 24: Hello Howard, good morning, folks, Free the Liberal Party. I'm

1440
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:23,000
Speaker 24: a long term Liberal member bomb thrower. At the moment,

1441
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:28,320
Speaker 24: federally and state wise, they are about as created as

1442
01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:31,479
Speaker 24: a one legged, egg bound chock fair bloody thinker.

1443
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:33,240
Speaker 3: It is unbelievable.

1444
01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:36,280
Speaker 24: And they're behaving like a graduate from Willie the Waitner's

1445
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:39,200
Speaker 24: Wonder World. And that's about the best you can say

1446
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:40,920
Speaker 24: at the moment about.

1447
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:43,360
Speaker 2: How do you fix them? Howard? What do they need

1448
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:43,840
Speaker 2: to do? Well?

1449
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:49,920
Speaker 24: Stop thinking. I'm a conservative, but you know you've got

1450
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:53,479
Speaker 24: to also go forward. And I think T. S. Eliot said,

1451
01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:56,840
Speaker 24: keep the essence of the past, But you've got to

1452
01:12:57,040 --> 01:13:01,720
Speaker 24: energize it with the energy of today tomorrow and keep

1453
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:04,479
Speaker 24: the essence of what you're believing, but at least put.

1454
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:10,559
Speaker 16: On a modern, a modern way of promoting yourself instead

1455
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:13,360
Speaker 16: of talking all these wonky things from the past.

1456
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:16,800
Speaker 6: Well, I would have I would have thought, Howard. I

1457
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:19,400
Speaker 6: would have thought, howd That's what Brad Batten has been

1458
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:22,040
Speaker 6: trying to do, and I would have thought he's the

1459
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:24,360
Speaker 6: best chance to do that within the party. At the

1460
01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:25,080
Speaker 6: moment we.

1461
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:27,040
Speaker 5: Had it all there one leg at egg Bound chuks

1462
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:29,920
Speaker 5: t s Eliott, a bit of everything with only six

1463
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:38,760
Speaker 5: minutes to go on a Sunday morning, Frank, good morning.

1464
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:46,000
Speaker 19: A great show, guys. Pretty quick ones, Darren. These electric

1465
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:52,000
Speaker 19: look like dirt bike things, those little things. There is

1466
01:13:52,040 --> 01:13:55,360
Speaker 19: a brand on the market. You can buy seventy five

1467
01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:56,080
Speaker 19: miles an hour.

1468
01:13:57,120 --> 01:13:59,919
Speaker 6: Can you can you actually buy them legally here in Australia.

1469
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:03,800
Speaker 19: Not I don't know whether it's illegal or not, but

1470
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:05,639
Speaker 19: you can certainly buy them off the internet.

1471
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:08,080
Speaker 5: This is what I'm saying anyway.

1472
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:12,080
Speaker 19: Second one, I have to move quickly. I heard on

1473
01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:15,800
Speaker 19: the news at eleven that they're talking about banning cigarettes

1474
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:20,360
Speaker 19: from sale in supermarkets. My local strip shopping. There is

1475
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:24,519
Speaker 19: a calls, then there is another shop, and then there

1476
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:31,240
Speaker 19: is an illegal cigarette vape type shop. So what's the

1477
01:14:31,320 --> 01:14:35,479
Speaker 19: point of banning cigarettes in supermarkets? I just laughed my

1478
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:35,920
Speaker 19: head off.

1479
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:39,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree with you on that least in supermarkets

1480
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:42,960
Speaker 6: there because they're big corporate entities, they are locked away

1481
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:45,280
Speaker 6: and they are a lot more easy to control in

1482
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:47,960
Speaker 6: terms of age and stuff like that. So you've got

1483
01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:51,479
Speaker 6: to control it, I think in supermarket. In supermarkets it's

1484
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:54,000
Speaker 6: a lot easier to control it and keep it locked away.

1485
01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:57,519
Speaker 5: Up next three W football preview. I know that Tony

1486
01:14:57,680 --> 01:15:00,719
Speaker 5: Shaw will be on because he just hockey.

1487
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:03,720
Speaker 2: Have you got your just not the first time you

1488
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:04,759
Speaker 2: have been asked that today?

1489
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:07,400
Speaker 6: Did you notice he ignored me?

1490
01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:10,280
Speaker 5: Well it's only the first.

1491
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:13,679
Speaker 2: There's plenty more time for the Collie wobbles to settle in.

1492
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:14,639
Speaker 5: Oh well.

1493
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:18,719
Speaker 2: Fall apart. Well that's right, What are you quite serious about?

1494
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 5: Well, the funny football is a funny game.

1495
01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:26,840
Speaker 2: Well, you're keeping the.

1496
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:29,040
Speaker 6: Just mentioned a couple of froth. He's had a game

1497
01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 6: at the MCG. Imagine what he was like at the

1498
01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:33,439
Speaker 6: end of the game on Friday nights.

1499
01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:35,120
Speaker 2: Did you give him a hard time?

1500
01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:35,280
Speaker 22: Well?

1501
01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:36,479
Speaker 5: He left it three quarters time.

1502
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:38,920
Speaker 6: But that's bad. You should never do that.

1503
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:41,280
Speaker 5: No, well too, I'm going to defend me here because

1504
01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:46,280
Speaker 5: he's been from we've been broadcasting in Warning Bull and

1505
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:48,439
Speaker 5: he was sitting right in amongst the woodsmen, and he

1506
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:49,440
Speaker 5: was tired.

1507
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:52,040
Speaker 2: Because and his team was being threshed and he was

1508
01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:52,640
Speaker 2: sitting next to you.

1509
01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:55,679
Speaker 6: Well, there's still the m CG is a big place

1510
01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:58,479
Speaker 6: I would have I'm sure it was withdrawn from the

1511
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:00,120
Speaker 6: Woodsman area and found a whole for.

1512
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:02,320
Speaker 5: He's very good, right, I'll have left it after Russ

1513
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:05,160
Speaker 5: and Russ tomorrow morning at five thirty.

1514
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:07,759
Speaker 6: And good on him for participating. Next.

1515
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:10,640
Speaker 5: Shane mckinness will be there. Laura Spurway. Did either of

1516
01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:11,920
Speaker 5: you work with Laura in your days?

1517
01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:12,200
Speaker 6: I did.

1518
01:16:12,280 --> 01:16:13,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, she's she's.

1519
01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:14,519
Speaker 6: A nice girl, fantastic report.

1520
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:16,679
Speaker 5: I call her Laura Spoway for some reason. I don't

1521
01:16:16,720 --> 01:16:20,640
Speaker 5: just call her Laura. Hello, Laura Spoway.

1522
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:21,599
Speaker 2: Clearly.

1523
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:24,439
Speaker 5: Yes. Tony shall be there, Matthew Richardson. Rich will be there,

1524
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:25,840
Speaker 5: Laura Spurway, see you.

1525
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:27,800
Speaker 2: Heidi Murphy, goodbye, Darren James, see you.

1526
01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:32,120
Speaker 5: Nick McCallum, see your later, Darren James. All good luck

1527
01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:32,240
Speaker 5: in that.

1528
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:34,639
Speaker 6: Jans see your later James, Bye bye,