Speaker 1: This is Remember When with Harvey Degan on Perth six PR.
Speaker 2: The State Records Office, as you well and truly know,
Speaker 2: regularly join us on Remember When to share a few
Speaker 2: tales from the state archives with us. And this week
Speaker 2: we welcome back Damian Shepherd, State Archivist, to talk about
Speaker 2: some strange tales from the archives about Perths suburbs. Oh,
Speaker 2: I'm intrigued, Damien, tell us more savey.
Speaker 1: Yeah, great to be back with you and your listeners. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my team regularly come across some quirky stories about Perth
Speaker 1: suburbs and their history, so I thought we'd explore some
Speaker 1: of those tonight. I've got some tales of weird names,
Speaker 1: of course, some dodgy behavior in the burbs, and a
Speaker 1: nonsolved mystery that we hope your listeners can help out with. Now,
Speaker 1: some of these tales are from beyond Perth. I'm cheating
Speaker 1: a little bit, so apologies in advance for any implications
Speaker 1: that everywhere in WA is a suburb of Perth, because
Speaker 1: of course it's not.
Speaker 2: As a big state, indeed it is. And you know,
Speaker 2: I must have known, I must have had a premonition
Speaker 2: you were going to talk about something like this, because
Speaker 2: it was only on the show last week that I
Speaker 2: passed the comment that, you know, we live in one
Speaker 2: of the most wonderful places on earth, and we generally
Speaker 2: live in a suburb, and I wonder how much do
Speaker 2: we know about that suburb, why it was called, what
Speaker 2: it was called, and who was it named after? And
Speaker 2: I think you know that I don't think we know
Speaker 2: enough about our own backyard, if I can put it
Speaker 2: that way.
Speaker 1: I know what you mean, and the history of our suburbs,
Speaker 1: and there's some there surrounds, sometimes some very interesting names,
Speaker 1: of course, and I think you've been talking about that
Speaker 1: with listeners as part of other conversations, but it's definitely
Speaker 1: a favorite for clients that the State records offered. So
Speaker 1: these days, I guess listeners are probably aware that there's
Speaker 1: a careful process to formal name places across way. It's
Speaker 1: overseen by what's called the Geographic Names Committee, and that
Speaker 1: was actually established way back in nineteen thirty six as
Speaker 1: the Advisory Committee on the Nomenclature of Towns after approaches
Speaker 1: the government from the WA Historical Society, and the chair
Speaker 1: of that original committee was doctor J. S. Batti, who
Speaker 1: was also the State Librarian, and by nineteen thirty six,
Speaker 1: he was also the chancellor of the University WA and
Speaker 1: Chairman of the State Archives. Boord so busy chap fascinating
Speaker 1: history of his own that perhaps we could buil about
Speaker 1: some other time. But before nineteen thirty six, naming places
Speaker 1: was what you might kindly call a bit of a
Speaker 1: free for all. So I was sort of leading to
Speaker 1: some pretty interesting place names, sometimes not actually, and basically
Speaker 1: people just made up the names and they ended up
Speaker 1: being used if they sort of stuck through common usage.
Speaker 1: So there's some pretty good examples. And I'm going to
Speaker 1: cheat a little bit and go outside per first, but
Speaker 1: we'll come back. So way down near Denmark that's in
Speaker 1: WA of course, not a per suburb, but there were
Speaker 1: two places that went by the names of Hell's Hole
Speaker 1: and another one called Cold and Wet. Now they might
Speaker 1: have been astutely named, particularly Cold and Where, I guess,
Speaker 1: but it seems the locals weren't so keen on that name.
Speaker 1: So by nineteen twenty three, before there was a geographic
Speaker 1: names committee, the Denmark Tourist Association decided to rename Hell's
Speaker 1: Hole to Somerset Hill, which I'm sure would be familiar
Speaker 1: to quite a lot of our listeners tonight, and there
Speaker 1: was the place called Cold and Wet was actually on
Speaker 1: the Denmark railway line, and thats just died right up
Speaker 1: until nineteen ten. All the place exist, of course, but
Speaker 1: the name was still used up to nineteen ten, and
Speaker 1: it was named It was renamed marty Up for a while,
Speaker 1: then to Yonger and then finally to Burnham, which people
Speaker 1: again might be familiar with. Now heading a little bit
Speaker 1: further north, we near Bunbury, there was a place known
Speaker 1: for a while as wood Wood, which is one of
Speaker 1: my favorites. That was home to a hindermill for quite
Speaker 1: a while, and apparently it had a reputation for a
Speaker 1: super tough game of footy, apparently more fighting than gameplay,
Speaker 1: and some pretty wild Saturday night dancing. Must have been
Speaker 1: quite a place to visit. And then further north again
Speaker 1: at mandra as the little old town of the first
Speaker 1: half of last century transitioned to the big one that
Speaker 1: we know today from around the nineteen seventies. It's interesting
Speaker 1: to see not necessarily the place name, but the local
Speaker 1: road names as well. That's a whole nother story, of course,
Speaker 1: but some of the roads there start getting this Italian flavor.
Speaker 1: So we've got the Baldy Drive and Galileo Loop. Hello
Speaker 1: if you live on those I guess you could see
Speaker 1: a connection today with the canal development, evoking a sort
Speaker 1: of Venetian feel if you like. So back in Perth
Speaker 1: proper probably our favorite at the SORI, and some listeners
Speaker 1: might be familiar with this one. The part of Maylands
Speaker 1: was actually known for about one hundred years as Pineapple
Speaker 1: or the Pineapple Estate. The backstory is that apparently one
Speaker 1: of the earliest that was bought a pineapple to Perth.
Speaker 1: Don't think it too much of that now, but back
Speaker 1: then perhaps that was more exotic days before modern quarantine laws,
Speaker 1: and they cultivated them in the area. So kind of
Speaker 1: got this name which stuck for quite a long time.
Speaker 2: Well better dead. It was a symbol of wealth. If
Speaker 2: you had a pineapple, you were well off way back
Speaker 2: in the day. Interestingly enough, Damian, you mentioned that place
Speaker 2: names would sometimes come about because they got repeated and
Speaker 2: they stuck, but sometimes through to today, there's plenty of
Speaker 2: disagreement about naming. Do you see any of that in
Speaker 2: your archives?
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, we sure do. And look, it still hits
Speaker 1: the news, doesn't it. When places sort of get renamed.
Speaker 1: It's human nature after all, to have different opinions. So
Speaker 1: turning to connections from the suburbs to Perth City, in
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty three, there were calls to rename the Causeway
Speaker 1: as the Willem Debauning Causeway, and that was competing with
Speaker 1: a call at the same time from the RSL to
Speaker 1: the Queen's Causeway, along with Riverside Drive as Elizabeth Drive,
Speaker 1: just ahead of the Queen's visit to Wa in nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty four. And it's really interesting to think about than
Speaker 1: how naming sort of played out more recently with Elizabeth
Speaker 1: Key of course. And then there's also a statue of
Speaker 1: William de Blaming near what we still call the causeway
Speaker 1: on the Burswood Park Herriage Charm. I'm sure people have
Speaker 1: passed him by. Back then, most people coming to w
Speaker 1: A were still coming from the UK, so local place
Speaker 1: names tended to follow from the old country if you
Speaker 1: call it that. Safety Bay south of Perth, for example,
Speaker 1: was set to be renamed or set to be named Liverpool.
Speaker 1: And there were countless Yorks and Margaret Rivers all over
Speaker 1: the state for a long time, so they didn't really
Speaker 1: have that sort of uniqueness to them. Over time, apparently
Speaker 1: there were about one hundred Yorks, but there's only one
Speaker 1: caliberon and so the interesting thing is around the time
Speaker 1: you get federation, the use of Aboriginal names becomes much
Speaker 1: more popular, although they are often weren't true to the
Speaker 1: actual words and used by original people. They were translations,
Speaker 1: of course, made by often by surveyors moving through a
Speaker 1: country and asking local Aboriginal people what they called features
Speaker 1: in the landscape, maybe a bend in the river, the
Speaker 1: valley or a hill. A really good example is Cawgolei,
Speaker 1: so not imperfectain. But back in eighteen ninety four the
Speaker 1: Lands Department proposed to call it hanans Fined for obvious reasons,
Speaker 1: and that Cabina actually overruled that, opting for the name Calgoli,
Speaker 1: which derives apparently from the optional name for the native
Speaker 1: silkie pair that car cooler. So early adoption of those names,
Speaker 1: which have a much more sort of unique flavor to them.
Speaker 2: They do. Indeed, now you mentioned dodgy behavior in Perth suburbs.
Speaker 2: Have you found much about that in your archives?
Speaker 1: Yes, so, I sort of this is quite an interesting one,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure there's still some dodgy behavior first ofs
Speaker 1: from time. But I have to say, looking at the archives,
Speaker 1: it seems we've got nothing on the last couple of centuries,
Speaker 1: so maybe we've actually improved a little bit in our behavior.
Speaker 1: But I'm going to go to the old police records now.
Speaker 1: They are really quite fascinating, and I hate to single
Speaker 1: out any particular suburb, of course, but have to start somewhere.
Speaker 1: So that's going to be Bayswater. Apologies for the Basy folks.
Speaker 1: So looking at the police files from about one hundred
Speaker 1: years ago, so we're going back to the twenties and thirties,
Speaker 1: there are reports of regular nude bathing in the river.
Speaker 1: Might be a bitchually a bit at the tub, but
Speaker 1: you can imagine a time before hot showers than modern bathrooms.
Speaker 1: So yeah, imagine you're heading home from work. You've got
Speaker 1: a hard summer's day work in the local factory or
Speaker 1: probably even a farm in that part of the world,
Speaker 1: and there's no air conditioning, so you want to call
Speaker 1: off and have a bit of a wash. You're going
Speaker 1: to take a wash in the river. Unfortunately, that was
Speaker 1: happening right alongside the old pal Mal Promenade in Baisi
Speaker 1: offending the young couples taking an evening stroll, probably older
Speaker 1: couples too, free sort of frightful things to see. There
Speaker 1: this correspondence from the Basy Road Board to the Commissioner
Speaker 1: of Police that advises them that they want to nip
Speaker 1: this evil in the bud. You know, highly offensive stuff.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't the only problem behavior. There are also
Speaker 1: reports of children roaming the neighborhood with small rifles and
Speaker 1: shooting up sanitary pans. So I guess they're talking about
Speaker 1: the outhouses, which I'm sure was great fun for the kids,
Speaker 1: but not so much for the occupants of the outhouses. Well,
Speaker 1: and that would have been where you've gone if you
Speaker 1: were living in those houses didn't have them inside of them.
Speaker 1: So according to the archives, people would also take their rifles,
Speaker 1: believe it on us, take their rifles up to Kingspark
Speaker 1: for a spot of shooting. So it's just absolutely well
Speaker 1: things they had a control, really, it doesn't it, mind you.
Speaker 1: On the flip side, justice could be pretty harsh back then.
Speaker 1: There's this police charge sheet from the Victoria from Victoria
Speaker 1: Park in nineteen thirty four, and there's a mugshot of
Speaker 1: this poor young guy there. He looks about fifteen, probably
Speaker 1: even younger, and with riding a bicycle with no hands,
Speaker 1: absolutely criminal offense there. So it sort of worked this
Speaker 1: both ways. Back then, in the twenties and thirties, the
Speaker 1: population of places like Daisy was nothing like it is today,
Speaker 1: and that area was essentially sort of semi rural, so
Speaker 1: there was no police station there, and so a lot
Speaker 1: of these reports are coming through sort of making a
Speaker 1: case for there to be a police station there. In fact,
Speaker 1: back then in the twenties and thirties, there was just
Speaker 1: one police officer assigned to the district and he was
Speaker 1: equipped with a pushbike that was his equipment, and a
Speaker 1: police station actually didn't get established there until nineteen fifty five,
Speaker 1: a long long time later. So moving down the river
Speaker 1: a little bit, we get to Nedlands and Crawley, and
Speaker 1: there were back then in that area there was still
Speaker 1: only about one hundred and twenty five houses or dwellings
Speaker 1: in the area, so very sort of scattered through that area.
Speaker 1: But along the river there were these camps. Apparently by
Speaker 1: the early twenties they are about eighty camps that have
Speaker 1: been set up along the river there where the local
Speaker 1: blokes would come in for a weekend getaway and a
Speaker 1: few more than a few drinks. So the police report
Speaker 1: that these chaps are getting in the words in the
Speaker 1: book are beastly drunk and going up to the local
Speaker 1: tea rooms and singing that's been terrible. And apparently they
Speaker 1: were going about in bare feet, short pants and only
Speaker 1: wearing a jersey exclamation mark. By this time there were
Speaker 1: also trans of course running through the area, and at
Speaker 1: one stage in the nineteen twenties there's this report of
Speaker 1: a wild brawl on one of the trams, and that
Speaker 1: seems to be the trigger then, so in nineteen twenty one,
Speaker 1: Medlands actually get the police station and the report seemed
Speaker 1: to sort of quiet down in the archives there. So
Speaker 1: just looping back for a moment then to place names.
Speaker 1: The interesting thing about Nedlands. People might have heard this,
Speaker 1: but you can trace that back to Colonel John Bruce
Speaker 1: apparently who acquired land near dal Keith turned the last
Speaker 1: century and he gave it to his son Edward, who
Speaker 1: he named who called Ned of course, so you probably
Speaker 1: guessed that eventually became known as Ned's Land.
Speaker 2: Indeed, I never knew that. How about that? As I said,
Speaker 2: we've lived in and around these suburbs for a long
Speaker 2: time and probably didn't have a clue as how they
Speaker 2: came to be called what they were. We're going to
Speaker 2: need to take a breakdownan and we'll continue this fascinating
Speaker 2: discussion in just to tick until midnight on Perth six PR.
Speaker 1: This is remember when with Harvey Degan.
Speaker 2: Welcome back everybody, and we're having a fascinating chat to
Speaker 2: Damian Shepherd, state Archivist from the State Records Office, about
Speaker 2: the history of some of the suburbs and some of
Speaker 2: the outlying areas of Perth and other parts of Western Australia,
Speaker 2: how they got to be named what they were and
Speaker 2: all those sort of things. And the river of course
Speaker 2: has always played a very important role, hasn't it in
Speaker 2: our lives here? So what else were people up to?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, I guess Perth sort of grew up,
Speaker 1: grew out and along the river, particularly in those early days,
Speaker 1: so west and east, and the sort of stories in
Speaker 1: the archives sort of follow that pattern a little bit.
Speaker 1: So by the time he gets to the early in
Speaker 1: nineteen hundreds down we conduct the story at Dale Case
Speaker 1: before the break So heading back there again, there's this
Speaker 1: artesian board that's set in the area, and it comes
Speaker 1: to feed into this hot pool there, the Keys Hotpool,
Speaker 1: so a bit like Baisy this becomes this popular bathing spot,
Speaker 1: and apparently that was clothing optional for some people. So
Speaker 1: the local mirror newspaper reports a series of what they
Speaker 1: call hijinks, including midnight skinny dips. So this is early
Speaker 1: in the very early nineteen hundred, so very off for
Speaker 1: the time. It would be pretty pretty bad now, but
Speaker 1: this was a time before many people had motor cars,
Speaker 1: of course, though there were also these lots more There
Speaker 1: are a lot more stories of ferries traveling up and
Speaker 1: down the river, and of course there were a lot
Speaker 1: more sort of ferry stops up and down the river.
Speaker 1: It's really interesting to see it sort of coming back
Speaker 1: into public discussion again. But there's this great postcard in
Speaker 1: one of the archive files from the Como Jetty in
Speaker 1: nineteen twenty two, and it shows this elaborate shelter there
Speaker 1: that looks a bit like the sort of Arc de
Speaker 1: Triomph or something, but it took us a while to
Speaker 1: work out what it was. But it's actually just a
Speaker 1: shelter for people there. So you get these fairies traveling
Speaker 1: up and down to these spots and they'd go into
Speaker 1: the bridges of course, so on the dodgy behavior front,
Speaker 1: there are reports in the police files of pickpockets around
Speaker 1: the ferry stops. You know, you get a few more people,
Speaker 1: so you're going to get the pickpockets there. You can
Speaker 1: imagine as we get into depression year at years as well,
Speaker 1: pretty tough time. But even reports of children dumping sacks
Speaker 1: of wheat or coal dust on ferries as they passed
Speaker 1: down the bridges absolutely shocking. But even more worrying reports
Speaker 1: of people using dynamite for fishing in places like Como
Speaker 1: the nineteen twenty so I can't I can't imagine that
Speaker 1: type of fishing was very peaceful and relaxing, well especially
Speaker 1: for the fishing course, but absolutely astounding they have a
Speaker 1: fair spare stick of dynamite here and there and go
Speaker 1: fishing with that. Hard to get your head around.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, indeed, of course you've brought back some memories
Speaker 2: there with the tram stops and phone boxes. You'd never
Speaker 2: see a phone box anymore public phone box of course,
Speaker 2: they've disappeared over the years, and also some less well
Speaker 2: known features. Can you tell us about those damien yeah,
Speaker 2: that's right.
Speaker 1: It's easy to forget about those things that were once
Speaker 1: very familiar to people. I mean a lot of us
Speaker 1: will remember things I mentioned phone boxes. We don't see
Speaker 1: so many of those these days. But sometimes there are
Speaker 1: these kind of mysterious structures as well. I've seen some great,
Speaker 1: great stuff. I've read about some great stuff to do
Speaker 1: with sort of water towers and things like that. But
Speaker 1: often I've thought, what's over the fence there, and you
Speaker 1: see this unmarked building, if it's like a historical building,
Speaker 1: and you wonder about the history and how important they
Speaker 1: are or were back in the day. So we've got
Speaker 1: this really interesting story about one of those sort of
Speaker 1: structures in the archive. So way back in November nineteen
Speaker 1: oh five, there's this young scientist that travels from Perth
Speaker 1: from Bremen in Germany to undertake research of international significance
Speaker 1: in suburban to Bayswater of all places. It is quite
Speaker 1: quite a mystery. So the backstory to this one is
Speaker 1: that as the earth rotate, it actually wobbles a little bit,
Speaker 1: and there's this international program to measure the sort of
Speaker 1: degree of the wobble. Back in the late eighteen ninety
Speaker 1: eighteen nineties and they set up this series of international
Speaker 1: latitude stations. So they back then they're using nighttime measurements,
Speaker 1: they're looking at the stars and they're sort of tracking
Speaker 1: how the Earth is moving there. And so two stations
Speaker 1: are established in the Southern Hemisphere, one in Argentina and
Speaker 1: one in Bayswater and Earth. So the mystery is why Bayswater,
Speaker 1: given it's well, it's elevated lightly although person you know,
Speaker 1: pretty flat really, and it's at the right latitude, but
Speaker 1: we don't quite understand how it came to be with
Speaker 1: sort of global importance there, So that's a little bit
Speaker 1: of a mystery. So it's at the corner of Hamilton
Speaker 1: and Station Street and there's this small observatory that's built there.
Speaker 1: So they start these observations back in Berlin and then
Speaker 1: they're sort of communicating with doctor Hessen in Perth in
Speaker 1: Bayswater there, and he's working away for three years on
Speaker 1: doing this. You can just imagine the painstaking sort of
Speaker 1: effort he would have gone to. And they're sort of
Speaker 1: doing this sort of hand computation as they go. So
Speaker 1: perf and based Water are much smaller places than you
Speaker 1: can imagine how intrigued the locals would have been seeing
Speaker 1: that said up. So there's this German guy working away
Speaker 1: at night in this this sort of little shed. And
Speaker 1: we've got this one photo that appears in the Western
Speaker 1: Male on the fourteenth of April nineteen o six, and
Speaker 1: it just looks like this little weatherboard shed. But they
Speaker 1: in the photo it's opened up and you can see
Speaker 1: like a sort of bud light instrument on a plymph
Speaker 1: or a pedestal inside. Must have looked very, very curious. Anyway,
Speaker 1: doctor Hesson actually becomes quite well known in the neighborhood
Speaker 1: and highly regarded in the scientific community, makes some friends
Speaker 1: and is in Perth for a while. But then the
Speaker 1: mystery deepens even greater because the day before his Duke
Speaker 1: returned to Germany in February nineteen oh nine, he goes
Speaker 1: off to Lake munger and tries to take his life
Speaker 1: with a revolver. Amazingly, he's able he survives the event,
Speaker 1: although he's in this intense pain I can just imagine,
Speaker 1: and he managed to communicate with the ground the mayor
Speaker 1: and comes to his rescue. So he's only twenty seven
Speaker 1: and he recoups recuperates for several months in Perth, and
Speaker 1: then sails back to Europe eventually where he continued his work,
Speaker 1: but sadly, he did die after a short illness at
Speaker 1: the relatively young age still of forty nine, so he
Speaker 1: had a few more years there, but did die young.
Speaker 1: So it's quite a mysterious story. The reasons for why
Speaker 1: he was he was there in that particular location, doing
Speaker 1: it at that location, and then his file up actions
Speaker 1: quite quite an interesting mystery there. So the one thing
Speaker 1: we could say is all of that research did sort
Speaker 1: of count to, you know, building scientific knowledge. So that's
Speaker 1: that's a that's a nice sort of side to that story.
Speaker 1: I guess community continues to be important to this day.
Speaker 2: That's so interesting, Damon. I think you mentioned the mystery
Speaker 2: is the start of the program. What's that all about now?
Speaker 2: The others?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we've we've had a few little mysteries along
Speaker 1: the way there. That one quite a mysterious story. But
Speaker 1: I've got I've got one more that patch listeners can
Speaker 1: help us with. So a few years ago, our team
Speaker 1: at State Records Office ganned and mapped out online a
Speaker 1: whole series of historical plans that were drawn up by
Speaker 1: what was then the Metropolitan water Works board between nineteen
Speaker 1: oint five and the nineteen seventies as part of actually
Speaker 1: part of the roll out of the installation of sewerage
Speaker 1: scheme through the metropolitan area during the twentieth century. And
Speaker 1: it's quite bizarre to see these old maps with a
Speaker 1: huge amount of features in them. They've just the amount
Speaker 1: of detail is incredible. They've mapped out water features and
Speaker 1: everything from chuck pens or fowl yards as they're called
Speaker 1: on the maps. They've got our houses of course, lots
Speaker 1: of those, minus the poptholes from the local hooligans, pats,
Speaker 1: tennis courts, fish ponds, aviaries and the earliest swimming pools.
Speaker 1: So well before you know that was kind of established
Speaker 1: as a more popular thing in Perth. And this very
Speaker 1: mysterious set of underground urinal not quite sure what that
Speaker 1: is exactly, probably don't really want to think about it.
Speaker 1: That was a bit odd. But the other feature that
Speaker 1: we've wandered about is the good old Aussie barbecue and thought, well,
Speaker 1: you know, the right time. We're probably past the summer,
Speaker 1: but it's interesting time to think about it. So my
Speaker 1: challenge and invitation to listeners is to help us there
Speaker 1: by visiting this site which we call retro maps. You
Speaker 1: can easily just google that. Put retro maps in State
Speaker 1: Records Office. You'll find it and see if you can
Speaker 1: find barbecue in there, perhaps the Perth first backyard Barbecue.
Speaker 1: Let us know if you do find it.
Speaker 2: Oh, I reckon, our listeners will come good on that one.
Speaker 2: They usually do, you know. Oh gosh, and how can
Speaker 2: our listeners find out more about what we've talked about tonight, Damien?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so look, I think listeners might find it quite
Speaker 1: interesting to have a bit of a play with retro maps.
Speaker 1: So go have look at that. If your house isn't there,
Speaker 1: please don't be too distressed. It really is Perth early years.
Speaker 1: So these maps were drawn up between nineteen oh five
Speaker 1: and the nineteen seventies, so you know that's mostly along
Speaker 1: the river, but they do reach quite far up the
Speaker 1: river into the eastern suburbs, but not much north and
Speaker 1: south unfortunately, but worth a have having a look. And
Speaker 1: then from the library collection, going back to the sort
Speaker 1: of police for I can recommend Dom Pashley's book from
Speaker 1: the year two thousand called Policing Our State, which includes
Speaker 1: these sort of fascinating stories of policing from Perth suburbs
Speaker 1: in days past. And there's also Dodgy Perth by one
Speaker 1: of our clients online fascinating and a great laugh mostly
Speaker 1: at ourselves of course, of course, so we're still unearthing
Speaker 1: fascinating stories on Perth Path which we'd love to share
Speaker 1: through our Facebook page and on our web page under
Speaker 1: stories from the Archives. So that's sro WA dot gov.
Speaker 1: But are you encourage people to go have a look what.
Speaker 2: A fascinating discussion we've had tonight. Well, you always come
Speaker 2: up with something brilliant and you've excelled yourself tonight, Damien.
Speaker 2: So thanks for that. And while I look forward and
Speaker 2: I know our listeners look forward to the next time
Speaker 2: we chat on remember when.
Speaker 1: Thanks Harvey, looking forward to it.