1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: This is the Real Footy podcast Coming up. Hawks surge 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: Lake to win a low scoring arm wrestle in Chilly Loncestern. 3 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 1: Sam Darcy doesn't skip a beat on his return from injury, 4 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: and the Cats make their move, climbing into the top two. 5 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: That's strolling in on the wing, Powell on the boot 6 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: or the old kicktile forward. 7 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 2: Cock's not to dance suiting a chance she's on now 8 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 2: that left boot kick goes seed. 9 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 3: Dead to. 10 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 2: The want to say they're going for the Doggers, I'd 11 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 2: be look at the review mirror. 12 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: Now it's all here. 13 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 4: That's not what he bet to know, but they'll take it. 14 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 2: These dolls are and it puts on a head for 15 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 2: the first. 16 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 4: Time in the nights. 17 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 2: A lot of time to hit the front. 18 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 3: We're terresting him. 19 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 4: Kennedy big play, Richards stoops around, the Darzi minds blurry through, 20 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 4: Kevin Dy gets the freak in, Darcy wanders in and 21 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 4: for Dogs fans, Christmas comes in June. 22 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: Hello, I'm welcome. My name is Michael Gleason and joining 23 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 1: me today Jack and Caroline Wilson. Welcome to you both. 24 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 2: Hello Michael, Hello Jake. 25 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:23,199 Speaker 1: What a blockbuster around a footy wasn't it just well 26 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 1: the greats, there were some pretty ordinary games, terrible and 27 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: you know, not least the woeful performance, particularly in the 28 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: first quarter of West Coast, you know, to go more recent, 29 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 1: I mean, they were just deplorable. 30 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't think you can say much about Carlton. 31 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 2: You can't really count what Carlton did until we see 32 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 2: them a few more times. But the highlight, and we've 33 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 2: just listened to Sam Darcy, was the big forwards, Glease. 34 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: Big forwards, big big impact. The one that stood out 35 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: for me was Cadman. I thought that Cadman's game five 36 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: goss thirteen marks, jumped on the shoulder of Hipwood, you know, 37 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: and so it was not just kicking five goals, not 38 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: even just taking the thirteen marks, but doing it against 39 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 1: the reigning premiere and having that impact up at the Gabba. 40 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: I thought that was a really asterisk performance. 41 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 3: Asterixk Jack Payne down went down and Harris Andrews couldn't 42 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 3: cover both Hogan who Yeah, well they had five contested 43 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 3: marks each, the ten contested marks between the two key 44 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 3: forwards and kicked six and five. Great performance. But I 45 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 3: think that that injury did play a role a part 46 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 3: in what Cabin was able to do. But from the 47 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 3: Giants point of view, well, he was a number one 48 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:36,359 Speaker 3: pick for a reason. 49 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, Darcy, I mean Cadmas was the breakout performance, but 50 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 1: Darsis was the one where you go, this is the 51 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: combination of Bonton, Pelli and Darcy that they've barely had 52 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: all year. You know, he comes back now. I think 53 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 1: they'd had it for about a quarter prior to that. 54 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: This is why the Bulldogs can win the flag. Him 55 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:01,079 Speaker 1: back in the team and them staying fit like that. 56 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: They can beat anyone, but they will be the side 57 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,920 Speaker 1: that that you'd least like to play. 58 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 2: I think they just need to get into the eight first. 59 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean just wouldn't be just extraordinary if 60 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 3: they didn't make the eight with that, with. 61 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 2: That list and some of the performances, with some of 62 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 2: the good performances. But quite seriously, in a week where 63 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 2: Nick Revolt was finally inducted into the Hall of Fame, 64 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 2: I mean he was actually inducted two years ago, but 65 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 2: he accepted it. This ye exits back in the country 66 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 2: and Leegh Matthews said on three a W on Saturday, 67 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 2: in this day and age, you would pay more for 68 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 2: the great defender, or go more for the great defender 69 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 2: than the big forward. And then you know, straight after 70 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 2: he virtually said that you had Hogan kicking six Cameron 71 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 2: Jeremy Cameron, albeit against a vfl Essendon team, but still 72 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 2: you know, kicking six goals and to see two guys 73 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 2: from GWS Morris kicked a bag too. 74 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: For Brisbane and Jesse Hogan. And then you had Georgia 75 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: Arties as well. 76 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:08,119 Speaker 2: For exactly who looked like he had the yips one 77 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 2: minute and then ended up with seven. 78 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: Well Stephen May helped him with a couple of them 79 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: with some stupid fifty minutes undisciplined again. 80 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 2: Yeap, really that that was a real disappointment for mine. 81 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 2: But I mean that was a highlight because there were 82 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 2: some low scoring games. I disagreed with Lethal about the 83 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 2: Tazzy game. I actually found it engrossing, but I felt 84 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 2: cold watching it. Jacob, you know that was it and 85 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 2: I was hitting by the fire. 86 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 3: I spoke to a Hawthorne supporter who the next morning, 87 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 3: who is a fanatic, who I bumped into, and he said, 88 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:48,359 Speaker 3: I fell asleep. Well, I thought in that game it 89 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 3: was a horrible spectacle. Other than the close scores because 90 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 3: there was so much congestion, so few clean disposals relative 91 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 3: to most. 92 00:04:57,720 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 2: Games, and all those miss goals, and. 93 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 3: There was about an hour when no one scored. It 94 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 3: was about I don't know how long it was. How 95 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 3: along were those two teams on four goals? 96 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 2: It was adelaide. It should have been five goals up 97 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 2: at halftime probably and Hawthorne were really lucky that they 98 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 2: weren't five goals behind. Sam Mitchell, who is a risk taker. 99 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 2: Let's just changed everything and that was an important win 100 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 2: for them. 101 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 1: Pretty lucky with Constant's throat. And you can for the 102 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: last goal too, you scooped it straight up to him. 103 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 1: That was Hamble. 104 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 2: Was important win for the AFL two or those who 105 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 2: want a roof stadium. 106 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: Would you agree, well, it was part It was a 107 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 1: good bit of lobbying. 108 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 2: On the one hand, you had fifteen thousand turn up 109 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 2: on a freezing night in lon Seston. Oh, it was 110 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 2: an unbelievable crowd. I thought unbelievable. Five thousand lessons and 111 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 2: killed and managed under a roof against the Western Bulldogs 112 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 2: in an all Victorian game the night the night before. 113 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 2: Yet but I just thought that it was so obvious 114 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 2: to me that you know, and I think Luke Hodge 115 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 2: said this radio, you're not going to get players, Well, 116 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 2: you're not going to retain players in the way that 117 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 2: you want to unless you're playing more comfortable. 118 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: So I think it's more than that. I think it's 119 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 1: also what they're really wanting to be able to say 120 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 1: is when when the big clubs are all when everyone 121 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 1: has to go and play down there, what they want 122 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: as a team and as a state is for all 123 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 1: of the fans of all of those teams to fly 124 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: down there and stay there. And if you're looking at 125 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,039 Speaker 1: it and thinking it's a night game, it's going to 126 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: be freezing and wet or whatever, that you've got to 127 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 1: make it more attractive than just the food. If the 128 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 1: footy is going to be ugly because it's under it, 129 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: there's no roof and it's dewey and slippery in it, 130 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 1: you're not going to want to see it. You're also 131 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 1: not going to want to sit in it. So if 132 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: if you've got the roof, it just makes it a track down. Yeah. 133 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 3: The conspiracy theory is that this was fixtured. They fixtured 134 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 3: these games deliberately. Who's on the graphy Knoll and who's 135 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 3: a line gunment, just has just random what happened. I'm 136 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 3: a line gunment. I don't put down to a conspiracy 137 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 3: what could be explained by poor fixturing by the AFL. 138 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 3: They just do that. 139 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 2: Hawthorne Adelaide is a on a Friday night is a 140 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 2: good Friday night game. 141 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 3: I mean there've been something in that weather in winter 142 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 3: of winter. 143 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 2: Yes, no, I hear you, I definitely hear you. And 144 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 2: we know it was going to we know it's going 145 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 2: to be freezing. Didn't they do it? No? Look, you know, 146 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 2: I'm a big believer in the stadium, in the stadium 147 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:32,239 Speaker 2: in inverted commerce, as Martin Flanigan wrote, I'm a huge 148 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 2: believer in it. I think the game needs a stadium 149 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 2: in Hobart for it to really work, and I believe 150 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 2: it will happen. And it certainly helped the argument, Jake, 151 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 2: let's just leave it there. 152 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 3: Well a Thursday, was that intentional? Hero? 153 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 2: Well? Yeah, I just don't think we can ever know? 154 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 2: Can we? 155 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: Are they smart enough to think that? 156 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 3: I don't think so. I'm with the loan gunment, the 157 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 3: not the. 158 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 2: But quite seriously, where where do you see Hawthorne at? 159 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 2: Because it was a game they needed to win. Where 160 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 2: they now they sort of fifth or something, aren't. 161 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 3: They there will day away from being a contender. They're 162 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 3: just shy of contention. Adelaide a bit better than Hawthorne 163 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 3: at the moment. 164 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 2: Sam Mitchell said it was their best win of the year. 165 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 3: I think that's true. True. 166 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: They hadn't been beating top eight sides and so this 167 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: was the top four side and they you know, they win, 168 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: that's that they give. 169 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 3: They normally do it. 170 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 2: They always win a lawn system. 171 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: Well, they had been eleven straight at night, but you 172 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: play it was interesting. 173 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 3: It was interesting too, Caroh. The premiere, Jeremy Rockcliffe went 174 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 3: to the President's function and spoke and did not talk 175 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 3: about the Hobart Stadium at all. He talked only about 176 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 3: Hawthorne and Hawthorn's in print and impact on Tasmania and 177 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 3: how positive it was in lon Seston. I think he 178 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 3: was speaking to the gallery which was a lon Cester 179 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 3: Northern Tasmania. He's trying to. 180 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 2: Win an election, let's face it. 181 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 3: But he wasn't talking about the Hope. It was quite 182 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 3: notable that he did not talk about it. 183 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 2: And what do you think about Hawthorne politically because Brendan 184 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 2: Gail has said after this current deal, which ends for 185 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 2: Hawthorne at the end of twenty twenty seven, he doesn't 186 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 2: want them playing home games there once the Tazzy team 187 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 2: is in and the AFL have got an open mind 188 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 2: about that and Hawthorne we think definitely want to keep 189 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 2: at least two home games. 190 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 3: Hawthorne would take as many from what I'm told, they'd 191 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 3: take as many as they could get. Of course, what 192 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 3: do you think one would be against the Devils, which 193 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 3: would be fascinating? Yeah, well, I don't think I don't 194 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 3: think it should be ruled out. 195 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: But is the money there for it? Like why would 196 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: Tasy be stumping up money for them to play there. 197 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 2: I don't know if they'd be getting the money they're 198 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 2: getting now, but they're very keen. They think they're going 199 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 2: to have the backing to do it. The AFL, I 200 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,199 Speaker 2: think like the idea of at least one against the Devils. 201 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 3: You're right, I think they should play a game against 202 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,679 Speaker 3: the Devils in Lone and Lonnie. Definitely. I think that 203 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 3: would be I think it would actually create a big 204 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 3: event in the state. I think one thing we're learning 205 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 3: about fixturing there's all sorts of inequities. Alister Clarkson talking 206 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 3: about the difference with Colin would have he bumped into 207 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:08,719 Speaker 3: Scott Pendlebury and there was this It was a really 208 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 3: interesting comment from clark O about but norf who sold 209 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:13,719 Speaker 3: these games? I think creating it. 210 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 2: Hello, yeah, we can't expect to get what Colin would get. Well, 211 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 2: so topic the. 212 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 3: Bleeding or them. 213 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: Also, we've sold games to two different states and we 214 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: can complain that we've got to travel. You've sold them. 215 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 2: Mate, mind you, I'm giving it a tick. I'm giving 216 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 2: I know I didn't like it. No, I know you 217 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 2: didn't like it. I read your column and you made 218 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 2: you made a good argument. But they wouldn't have I 219 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 2: doubt the results would have been any different at Marvel 220 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 2: one one and a fighting loss, you know, an honorable 221 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 2: loss against a team that has top eight aspirations. In 222 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 2: fact is in the age. I thought they. 223 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: Lost by a goal to Freemantle in Perth as opposed 224 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 1: to playing them at home in Melbourne. 225 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:56,719 Speaker 2: Would have been the same in Melbourne. No, I disagree. 226 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 2: I think they need the money. They've made two and 227 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,559 Speaker 2: a half million dollars. That is a lot of money 228 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 2: for a club who never gets free to wear games. 229 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 2: I think it's a win for North for three years. 230 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 3: Got the chocolate and the Bunbury Bunfight, Yeah, which was 231 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 3: again I'm not sure like some talk back on this 232 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 3: on maybe what was the worst game that the Bunbury 233 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 3: game or the or the Hobart game, which a lot 234 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 3: of people defended the Hobart game. 235 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 1: Well, the Bunbury game is worse because it was perfect conditions. 236 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: Tasy had terrible conditions and they just couldn't lift the 237 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,559 Speaker 1: game because of that. But Bumbury was in beautiful Barmi. 238 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 2: For a world class elite competition. There've been some very 239 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 2: ordinary games and there've been some old owned goals by 240 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 2: the AFL. I mean the Bulldog's Port Adelaide game that 241 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 2: was played in Ballarat in a stadium that basically was 242 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 2: a construction site, and they admitted their mistake by moving 243 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 2: the next home game at Mars Stadium this year. I 244 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 2: think they've they've made some ordinary decisions. I mean, that 245 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 2: was just that was not AFL standard. 246 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 1: How did you feel when the tiers are selling games 247 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 1: the cans. 248 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:11,079 Speaker 2: A lot better before than before. Carmichael Hunt kicked that 249 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:14,559 Speaker 2: goal after the siren but I remember. 250 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 3: Carmichael Hunt did that was positive for the gold coach. 251 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 2: It was basically a bad egg for most of the time, 252 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 2: but that was that was pretty impressive and Gary Ablett 253 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,959 Speaker 2: giving him some instruction on how to kick it. Now, look, 254 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,599 Speaker 2: that wasn't Brendan Gales. Probably he'd probably say that was 255 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 2: his lowest moment as CEO of Richmond. But you know, 256 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 2: they did it. They learned from their mistakes, they needed 257 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 2: the money, they were broke, they were broken. Then they 258 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:43,199 Speaker 2: made a lot of money out of it and they 259 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,439 Speaker 2: came back and you know, had over one hundred thousand members, 260 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 2: the first club to do. 261 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 1: So it's still different when you're selling games. So you're 262 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:51,599 Speaker 1: selling games that for North they're selling games there and 263 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: the Tazzy and they're selling games that you know, if 264 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: you're going to play Ballarat or cans, that's you're not 265 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 1: playing with someone else's home ground. But to sell a 266 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 1: game to them. 267 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 2: I understand that that's ridiculous, and it's yeah, but you know, 268 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 2: and then there's sort of that there's some North Melbourne 269 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 2: sort of connections over there, and you know, Danny Ladley 270 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 2: got involved. 271 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 3: Speaking to people who are out the game, speaking to 272 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 3: people who are actually at the game. The Bunbury game. One 273 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:21,959 Speaker 3: interesting point that's been lost is that the majority of 274 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 3: the crowd were North Melbourne people who are there telling 275 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:28,679 Speaker 3: me this was really surprising. They've got a fan. One 276 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,959 Speaker 3: thing in defense of this whole enterprise is North's best 277 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 3: support base outside of Victoria is clearly is. 278 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 2: In w A. And they've had so many greats from 279 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 2: w A, from Ross Glendinning down. The Crackers come and 280 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 2: come and play. So but I think you're being a 281 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:47,839 Speaker 2: bit cynical. They had making the eight anyway. 282 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah this year, but this is a three year deal. 283 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: So next year they go back there, they get they're 284 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 1: sitting on third bottom at the moment, they're looking like 285 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: a team that should be ready to take a step. 286 00:13:57,600 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: And so next year they go take a look to 287 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: take that step. You're almost well, you're not conceding a 288 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 1: game that it's a lot easier to win that game 289 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 1: at home. 290 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 2: Look, now the clubs should be rolling their eyes. I guess, well, 291 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:16,079 Speaker 2: specifically the Western Bulldogs, because it's really gifted potentially Freemantle 292 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 2: and extra win. Freemantle an extra win, but you know, 293 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 2: Freemantle and West Coast needed it. Sort of worked for everyone, 294 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 2: didn't it. They were begging for less travel and they've 295 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 2: got it. North Melbourne were begging for more money and 296 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 2: more exposure. 297 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 3: Well, it's an interesting debate about how much the AFL 298 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 3: should fund these gaps in revenue. Where sine killdas so 299 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 3: ross Lyon said, did he not say good teams good 300 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 3: clubs don't sell games? Well yes, but also good clubs 301 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 3: don't sink kill a football club have had seventeen million 302 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 3: dollars more than more than North Melbourne Bulldogs, et cetera 303 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 3: over a ten year period, which is not acceptable. So 304 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 3: that's not that's is that a good club. 305 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 2: No, good clubs don't. Other clubs since kild who have 306 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 2: been doing a lot of that this year. 307 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 3: It's all. 308 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 2: It's part of a wider sort of philosophy. But doesn't 309 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 2: doesn't lose. Well, they're running out of particularly when they're 310 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 2: getting thrashed on a Thursday night and drawing twenty thousand people. 311 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 3: Well they don't if the players, I mean I would 312 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 3: have thought. 313 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 2: They they don't have the supporters at the moment. Supporters 314 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:20,119 Speaker 2: aren't turning. 315 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: Up, right, We'll take a break there, come back and 316 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: talk about causey pickets long nine year contract, Angelong belting accident. 317 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 3: We're online all the time. Just search age Real Footy 318 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 3: on Facebook or Twitter. 319 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 4: The balls following Bergman or Bergman's following it. 320 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 3: One of the two we gave it to Picket, worst 321 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 3: possible guy to give it to outside of the boot 322 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 3: was bizarre and beautiful. How's the wow factor of that? 323 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 3: You know you're running hot Bucks when you've. 324 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: Just signed the big contract in the our position. 325 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 3: Of kicking it to you. 326 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: Welcome back Jake last week. Because he Picket signs a 327 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: nine year contract redoing two of the years extended out 328 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: twelve million dollars, it's it locks him in. Put it 329 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: that way to make of it. 330 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 3: I've always got reservations about deals of that time for 331 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 3: anything other than top five, top ten AFL players, and 332 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 3: there's been a lot of these now, so I mean 333 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 3: it's becoming standard in the industry, so this is not 334 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 3: But Melbourne have been down this road with Christian Petrarca 335 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 3: and they went down this road with Clayton Oliver. The 336 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 3: Clayton Oliva deal is and they had an opportunity to 337 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 3: trade Clayton Oliver to Geelong and Clayton wanted to go 338 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 3: and they chose because of this, I think the optics 339 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 3: of it and the way it looked to their fans 340 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 3: and the way it looked even within the club, they 341 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 3: chose not to which I think was they. 342 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: Would have got the money out, but they still felt 343 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 1: they didn't weren't going to get a good enough Yeah. 344 00:16:58,240 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: I think it was. 345 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 3: Decision they will live to regret. 346 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 2: The Oliver one, yes, yes. 347 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 3: Yes, and this one though, I mean he's very popular. 348 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 3: He has turned their season around. 349 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 1: He absolutely has. But nine years yeah, well, the long 350 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 1: contract actually helped them keep Petrarca when he would have 351 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:22,400 Speaker 1: otherwise gone. So there's that again. And they have had 352 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: the exposure of it though, And this is the really 353 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 1: dangerous the one that signals the danger for them is 354 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: the Grundy one. They saw what Collingwood did, and then 355 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 1: Collingwood had to trade Grundy out. They were recipping it 356 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: of it in that they Collinwood swallowed some of the money, 357 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: didn't get the same sort of draft pick in a 358 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 1: trade that they would otherwise have got, and then when 359 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 1: that didn't work, they traded him on themselves. So yes, 360 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: it gives them certainty if pick it was to go 361 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 1: back home and it does give them the length of contract. 362 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 1: Some clubs will say, yeah, it allows you to actually 363 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,199 Speaker 1: juggle the money around quite quite a bit through the 364 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: because you got so many years, you can front and 365 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 1: backload and they will have gone and may leaving. 366 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 2: And is it like Buddies where it doesn't go up 367 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 2: with any new cdo I don't think it does. I 368 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 2: don't think it's flat. But what are the people saying. 369 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 2: They're quoting one point two, one point three? Yeah, whatever, 370 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 2: I mean. So you don't begrudge him the money because 371 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 2: it's that good a player, well, the length. 372 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 1: Other than the fact that he's a small forward. Now 373 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 1: he's been playing more midfield and that makes him more valuable. 374 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: He's been a disruptor in the midfield. I think this 375 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: year since he's come back in he's been a disrupted 376 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: in a good way, that sort of disruptive to the opposition. 377 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: That makes him more valuable than just being a small forward. 378 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: But it is top dollar for a small forward then 379 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 1: midfielder than the other way around. 380 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 3: Look, they're bold Melbourne. I mean they've had it feels 381 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 3: two years longer than what I would feel comfortable with. 382 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 3: I'm not There's two issues. As a quantitum of money. 383 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:00,880 Speaker 3: And there's the length. Is Cosey pick it a top 384 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 3: twenty AFL player, If he's a top twenty, I think 385 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 3: you have to be around that mark to get that 386 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 3: sort of contract. 387 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 2: I wonder who had to say, I mean, you've got. 388 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 3: The board that is a rule. 389 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 2: This is a big think a longer, longer term. But 390 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 2: the president elect is overseas, so would it have been 391 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 2: run past him? The CEO hasn't started yet full time. 392 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 2: Would it have been run past him? 393 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 3: One hundredh not not Paul Gerra. 394 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 2: But definitely Stephen Smith. 395 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 3: Definitely Stephen Smith. And David Chippendale sits he's the acting CEO, 396 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 3: sits on the List Management Committee. He came out of 397 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 3: list maagement, so he's definitely ticked it off. 398 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: So the AFL requires the Board in these because of 399 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:46,959 Speaker 1: their apprehension about and the risk involved with long term contracts. 400 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: Because another factor of all of this is that Melbourne's 401 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:52,479 Speaker 1: also confronted is that is the bracial thing and that 402 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: you're you're exposure to players with contracts, not the pick 403 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 1: it is in in a concussion situation now, but you 404 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: don't know what you don't know going ahead with injuries 405 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: and certainly with more players being can cast out of 406 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 1: the game. 407 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 2: Can I just throw in another player who was back 408 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 2: at the Western Bulldogs on Monday morning and reportedly spoke 409 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 2: to his teammates apologizing for his behavior in Jamara jugil 410 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 2: Hagen yep. Are you touch of cynicism? 411 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: Well, he's apologized before, and you just wait to see 412 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 1: that the behavior changes, because it hasn't before. 413 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 2: I'm just interested in you to trade experts. What you 414 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 2: think will happen there and what should happen. 415 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 3: Well, I think would be traded and likely the front. 416 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,919 Speaker 3: The only club that has been really strongly linked him 417 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 3: is the Swans yep. So I take that. I have 418 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 3: not heavily investigated where he's going to end up, but 419 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 3: I would be surprised. I don't think he should be 420 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 3: at the Bulldogs. 421 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: I think better certainly won't be at the Bulldogs. 422 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 3: Bulldogs are talking. I think that Bulldogs are talking a 423 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 3: game of h we want to turn him around, you know. Yeah. 424 00:20:58,160 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: I think they're saying all the right things to keep, 425 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: you know, value value in him and promote value in him. 426 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 1: But I think he's got I think he's in about 427 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: eight fifty this year and next year, so his contract 428 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: to you know, they'll get that money off the books. 429 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 1: They won't get much in a trade since I don't think, 430 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: don't you no. 431 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 2: No, even even given his wage, well. 432 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: Given the quality of the player, take them he's only 433 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:23,239 Speaker 1: got one year to go. You take that money off 434 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:28,959 Speaker 1: their books for them. What is what if if they 435 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 1: want him out and there really is ending up only 436 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 1: one club that he could go to. I think that 437 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: it's not going to be a really high draft pick 438 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:36,120 Speaker 1: for him. 439 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 3: If he wants to get a decent contract at any 440 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 3: club in the Swan's they might be interested. Now, who 441 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 3: knows in three months time, right, these things are. 442 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 2: Not after he's maybe got some VFL games. 443 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, potentially he has to show everyone that he is 444 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 3: desperate to be a very good AFL player and show 445 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:59,360 Speaker 3: that at the Bulldogs. So the Bulldogs are a vested 446 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,400 Speaker 3: interesting getting Hm up and running to get a secure 447 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 3: a decent deal. And jugil Hagen obviously has a massivest 448 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 3: interest in showing that he's recovering, you know, in terms 449 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 3: of his of his of his issues. 450 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 2: It's just interesting, Jake. I mean two months ago, I 451 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 2: would have when I was looking at some of the 452 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 2: social media nonsense. I would have said, I don't know 453 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 2: if I'll ever play again, and so many clubs are 454 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 2: ruling him out. And then I think back to Jesse Hogan, 455 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 2: you know, and you go, well, you think Bailey Smith 456 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 2: probably wasn't quite so openly you know, on the on 457 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 2: the tear or however you want to describe it, or 458 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 2: troubled or whatever. But he seemed to he obviously had 459 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 2: some issues as well, and now he's, you know, looking 460 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 2: like he could play on a premiership team. 461 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,919 Speaker 3: Bailey durw a contract. I'll draw a contrast between Bailey 462 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:52,239 Speaker 3: Smith and Jamaal Barra. Bailey Smith has always been an 463 00:22:52,400 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 3: unusual character in that he's combined erratic behaviors with an 464 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 3: incredible drive to succeed, and his work ethic is unquestioned 465 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 3: and peel the skin off his chicken kind of meticulous 466 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:17,160 Speaker 3: devotion in some ways, which you know, play hard, train hard. 467 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 3: We've we've seen these sort of people before in football, 468 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:24,640 Speaker 3: Wayne Carey, you know, all sorts of examples, Jamara. There's 469 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 3: a question mark on the will to succeed and I 470 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 3: think that's what he has to really show. Ever, because 471 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 3: the one thing that footy clubs put a line through 472 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 3: is competitiveness if your competitive ethos and your desire is 473 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 3: not there. 474 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:40,959 Speaker 1: Well, they also say that the clubs typically also they 475 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 1: back themselves in that in our culture they will be different. 476 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,479 Speaker 1: Then you get them into us and we'll turn them 477 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 1: around and they're ay'll be different. And certainly there's a 478 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: sense of that from Sydney, you know, the idea that 479 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: maybe some of the some of the problems that Jamara 480 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: faces are helped by not being in the same environment 481 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: and being in the state and away from the sorts 482 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: of friends and associates that are leading him into trouble 483 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 1: as well. 484 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 3: And the getaway factor is really when you're at Hogan, 485 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 3: what a success that is and what a tribute to 486 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:21,199 Speaker 3: the Giants and to Adam Kingsley and to him and 487 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,439 Speaker 3: Jesse Jesse. So Jamara should look at Jesse Hogan like 488 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 3: this is very achievable. 489 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 2: Jason McCartney and Dave Matthews and Toby Green and all 490 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:30,640 Speaker 2: of everyone. 491 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: Really he also grew up, I mean, you know, your 492 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 1: late twenties, not still being a bonehead of. 493 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 3: Rows twenty two. So I mean there's got plenty of 494 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 3: time and people say, people pick him up whatever. Well, 495 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 3: the history tells you they always get picked up. 496 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 2: Yep. 497 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,880 Speaker 1: It's interesting you raise Bailey Smith because right now you're 498 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 1: looking at that game the other night, Bailey Smith and Holmes, 499 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 1: and you just thought, see, there's not many teams that 500 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:59,120 Speaker 1: have got something to be able to combat those two. 501 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: The repeat speed, high speed, high repeats. Just the endurance 502 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: and speed is just incredible. 503 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 3: Well that's what that's exactly the language. I was talking 504 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:13,919 Speaker 3: to someone in that field said that Max Holmes is 505 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 3: the prototype of what you want an a for midfield 506 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 3: player to be. Now, not in terms of physiologically, you 507 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 3: want a guy that can run like that. And his mother, 508 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 3: of course, was an Olympic sprinter. 509 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:29,360 Speaker 2: She coached my son Lee Naylor briefly at school and 510 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 2: you look at the pedigram. 511 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 3: Running fast, running fast. 512 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 2: He was middle distance. So she was a very good coach, 513 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 2: very impressive person. And I think he might be even 514 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,919 Speaker 2: managing this son now. Actually I think he might have 515 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 2: changed management. But anyway, he's tied to Geelong for a 516 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 2: long time, so it's probably irrelevant. But again we've got 517 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,719 Speaker 2: to put the cave it on. Essendon were completely undermanned 518 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 2: and there was no real opposition. Let's face it. 519 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 1: I'm not talking about it. I'm just looking at. 520 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 2: The one two combo. 521 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the way they ran and going from deep 522 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 1: in defense the full length of the ground and linking 523 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: and it was it was sort of the entertainment to 524 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 1: watch within the game because it was it was a 525 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 1: bit of you know, Witch's hats for the match, in 526 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 1: large part because he's just so young and inexperienced and 527 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 1: butchers of the ball. 528 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 3: I'd heard that Dermot Burton one of the subplots of 529 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:27,199 Speaker 3: this game, that his son in law archer May, was 530 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 3: that he was at the going to be at the 531 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 3: present function. Someone was going to give him steps on, 532 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 3: going to give him an Essendon scarf. 533 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 2: And I don't know whether I think you know, he 534 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 2: was there and I think he was in the I 535 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 2: think he was in the rooms. 536 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 3: Did he put it, did he put it on? 537 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:46,120 Speaker 2: I don't know. History doesn't report, but he was definitely there, 538 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 2: dressed in black. Definitely there. 539 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:51,400 Speaker 1: I get through the whole group of them. 540 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 2: They've got another Thursday night game against Fremantle. I mean 541 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 2: some of these Thursday. 542 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,399 Speaker 1: Night absolute blockbuster that is. 543 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 2: I mean, I know the AFL put a line through 544 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 2: Richmond and Melbourne actually, I think for Thursday Friday night 545 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 2: games when they did the second half of the year 546 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 2: with the view that Richmond had had some pretty competitive games, 547 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,160 Speaker 2: but the young players were going to tie around and 548 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 2: they'd be no good, which is probably correct, but surely 549 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 2: they would have had that view about Essendon as well. 550 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 2: I mean, I guess Essendon, we're still in the initial 551 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 2: part of the fixed you aren't we. I think they 552 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 2: do it up until around fifteen. 553 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,120 Speaker 3: This is the kind of phantom of Essendon being half 554 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:33,119 Speaker 3: decent when they're really a bottom what are they bottom? 555 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 3: Certainly bottom eight, probably to bottom seat by the top 556 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 3: of the bottom six. 557 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean at the moment they're sitting. Just 558 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 1: they've dropped now because they actually were in the eighth 559 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 1: for quite longer than you would have thought given the 560 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 1: injuries and the person on they had out there, that 561 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: we're now seeing the latter position better reflect. 562 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, but they are decimated. Yeah yeah, and I haven't 563 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,120 Speaker 3: been unhappy within this Ye. It's funny how they don't 564 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 3: get they don't get. The game against b they copped 565 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 3: some criticism, but this game there's been none because everyone 566 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 3: just looked at the two James and said, well, what 567 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:07,159 Speaker 3: do you expect will. 568 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 2: Do you question all the soft tis Hue injuries though, 569 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 2: because it does seem to be disproportionate. It's you know, 570 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 2: and I asked Brad Scott about it earlier this year. 571 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 2: I said, is there something about the surface that the 572 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 2: hang up? Which he didn't take all that well, but 573 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 2: there's a lot of soft Tishue injuries. 574 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. 575 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 1: The one I questioned is not them, it's Carlton and 576 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:34,160 Speaker 1: yet again, so they blitz West Coast in the first quarter, 577 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 1: it still manage what two goals for the second half? 578 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 1: Like this is just yet again Carlton second half of 579 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 1: a game. They have to be a good six goals 580 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: up at half time to be any hope of guarantee 581 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:47,959 Speaker 1: or any guarantee of being able to hang on and 582 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 1: win a game. 583 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 2: They'd never look like losing that game. 584 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: But what they were supposed to go and have this 585 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 1: deep dive during their buy and work out, you know 586 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 1: what has been wrong? What have we been doing wrong? 587 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 3: You know? 588 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 1: Where do we go with is with a bit of 589 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: time off to really sort of pick apart and look 590 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 1: under the hood as they say about and it was 591 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 1: the same again. It was just Carlton fading and flagging 592 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 1: and I don't know whether it's fitness. You would certainly 593 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 1: think so. 594 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 2: But they beat North Melbourne this week and you think 595 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 2: they probably will or if. 596 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 3: The good don't make the finals, which I don't think 597 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 3: they will. No that this is the second year in 598 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 3: a row where they've had a very advantageous fixture carrow 599 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 3: where they've gotten this year they got North and West 600 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 3: Coast or no is it Richmond at two of the 601 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 3: bottom three twice. 602 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 2: North and West Coast. 603 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 3: North and West Coast and they lost to Richmond likes it's. 604 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 2: Not after being forty two points. 605 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 3: Last year they got into eighth. They got to eighth 606 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 3: spot and playing two of the bottom three twice, they 607 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 3: lost to Collingwood twice. Collingwood finished ninth. We played none 608 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 3: of those teams twice. Now it's sort of there was 609 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 3: some flattery of that eighth position last year. I reckon 610 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 3: and I think. 611 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: I'm going to come off a flag that didn't really flag. 612 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting with Brisbane. I mean it's probably for 613 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 3: we'll get to that later, but whether they where the 614 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 3: team wins the premiership, but they are a little bit conditional, Well, can. 615 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 2: We quickly get to Brisbane because Brisbane g w WES 616 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 2: was the game of the round and no one, no, 617 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 2: I don't think I think one person of the age 618 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 2: tipsters picked g w S No. But it was it 619 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 2: was an extraordinary it was a great game. 620 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 3: It was pretty much what happened last year. 621 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 2: The loss of Pain, Yeah, I think really significant. It is, 622 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 2: isn't it to not have Joe Dan Dan to her 623 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 2: all pain now? 624 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 1: So he's going to play, but yeah, it's hard. 625 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 3: Thing is, even if they put hip would back and 626 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 3: he makes a fist of it so to speak, they've lost. 627 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 3: They've lost Dan to her, so that hip would a 628 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 3: bigger loss in the forward line for structure. 629 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 2: Bob Murphy was the only person. 630 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 3: Who tipped ever eclectic Bob. 631 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 2: Sorry, just just chasing, he's chasing. Just thought i'd put 632 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 2: that one in. But g W seven now, so they've 633 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 2: had a great win over Collingwood, haven't. 634 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 1: They, Geelong, Glo and. 635 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 3: Brisbane, and yet they're on the edge of. 636 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 2: The eight and yet they lost. They lose to Port 637 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 2: Adelaide in Canberra. I mean, how does that happen? You know, 638 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 2: you just sort of a. 639 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 3: Lot of things happen in Cambra. They are an explicable Cara, Well. 640 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 2: Not gws can usually be pretty much relied relied on 641 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 2: to win. 642 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:40,959 Speaker 1: In Canberra, they had that period and there they just 643 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 1: but now they feel like they've they've got it back, 644 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 1: you know, they've got their form back. This is without 645 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 1: Toby too, so you know, as much as yes, Garden 646 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 1: was an in pain, was an in game injury, which 647 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: makes it harder to cover. 648 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 3: But it's just as a broad point, please, there's some 649 00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 3: teams at the bottom part of the eight. If you 650 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 3: look at the Bulldogs and Gas do you want to 651 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 3: play these teams if you're Jawn or Collingwood or you know, 652 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 3: or the Crows if they make the top four, which 653 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 3: I think they still can. Some of those lower sides 654 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 3: are not really lower, are they? If they get in. 655 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 1: That's what I was saying earlier, Like the Bulldogs are 656 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 1: sitting ninth, but they're the team i'd at least like 657 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 1: to face. I think in the if I'm if I'm Geelong, Collingwood, Adelaide, 658 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 1: that top four would be looking at that and going, can. 659 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 3: The Giants still push in? Can to the Giants or 660 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 3: the Bulldogs still make the top four? Yeah? 661 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you'll know a lot more this Sunday because 662 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 2: the Giants have got Gold Coast at home. I don't 663 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 2: fancy the crowd, it'll be a disaster, but I do 664 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 2: fancy the game, and that's at at home and she 665 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 2: Stadium in Western Sydney. So if they can, if they 666 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 2: can beat the Gold Coast, that that takes them to 667 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 2: what nine? Are they eight and six at the moment? 668 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 2: That takes them to nine and six? 669 00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, six when you look at the strap sure 670 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,959 Speaker 3: this sighte having those two key forwards and having Taylor 671 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 3: who might be the best defender in the comp and 672 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 3: Jack Buckley and Ash running off half back on don't 673 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 3: at each end of the ground. They're pretty stacked. It's 674 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 3: just whether that midfield holds up and whether they can 675 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 3: because they've lost depth to the Crows. Those two guys 676 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 3: going to the Crows, Perryman going to Collingwood. They've just 677 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,959 Speaker 3: lost a bit of their their second strength. 678 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: It's interesting the Gold Coast as well as interesting their 679 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 1: opponent this week they lose that they've lost the last two. 680 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: That'll be three in a row. I think they've got 681 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 1: Essendon twice because they missed them in that opening round 682 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 1: that's been rescheduled, so they think they've got twice. Yeah, 683 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 1: for the very end of the season, maybe since plays 684 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 1: back by them. But so they've got you'd expect them 685 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: all of those two. But they they still only got that. 686 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 1: They're on eight wins. That said, they've bet Essendon both 687 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 1: of those games. Like, is them ten? You still probably 688 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 1: need twelve thirteen to get in. I think they probably will, 689 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 1: but yeah, it's there's still no I mean, it is 690 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 1: a gold case. Have been in this position before. 691 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 2: But normally normally by now we say the Asia said, 692 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,879 Speaker 2: you'd have to say the Bulldog sitting outside the ASI 693 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 2: of the they're the only ones you think we'll get in? 694 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, it would be incredible if the Bulldogs weren't in 695 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:17,839 Speaker 3: the eighth with how good they actually. 696 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 2: Are and some of the performances and. 697 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all right, we'll take a break there, come 698 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:24,800 Speaker 1: back with quick questions. 699 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 3: Get access to every episode as it drops, Get subscribe 700 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,319 Speaker 3: wherever you get your podcasts. 701 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,400 Speaker 2: Flags the Kick. That's a diving effort from Gwelphy. 702 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 3: Good enough just to stun the ball day weeks, Jack Martin, 703 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,439 Speaker 3: Share and share, Tar's got time. 704 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,399 Speaker 1: We'll welcome back and straight into quick questions and one 705 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,399 Speaker 1: straight off the top on the Common Metal. How many 706 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 1: goals will it take to win the Common Medal? Do 707 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,919 Speaker 1: you think this year Jake Cameron's leading with forty four? 708 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 1: Hogan on thirty eight? Hogan won at last year with 709 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: seventy seven goals seventies enough. 710 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:03,800 Speaker 2: Yep, and it'll be Jeremy Cameron. 711 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 1: And have you reckoned seventy yep? 712 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 3: Lo seventies? 713 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 2: Well, he's on forty four now, so that's got him 714 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 2: kicking another only counting home and away another thirty yep. Listen, yep. 715 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 1: I think you'll get to eighty because I think it 716 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,280 Speaker 1: will be Cameron. They've got They've got about five games 717 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,759 Speaker 1: at home at GMHBA to run in for the rest 718 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 1: of the season. I think you'll do well there. We 719 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 1: had the Hall of Fame last week. Who should be 720 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 1: the next former player inducted into the Australian Hall of Fame? 721 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 2: Karen Jeff Raines, Jeff Raines. 722 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 3: You beat me to it, Carrot. I was going to 723 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:41,200 Speaker 3: say Jeff. 724 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,279 Speaker 2: Raynes, but I thought you were going to say someone else. 725 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,720 Speaker 3: Jeff Rnes was my first choice and the second choice 726 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,959 Speaker 3: is David Cloak. So two X time players who left 727 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 3: their clubs. The story here is if you leave your club, 728 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 3: it hurts you don't get lobbied for by the clubs. 729 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,239 Speaker 3: I mean, of course you've got the SA Australians. You've 730 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:01,919 Speaker 3: got to take your place. 731 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 2: Behooks. Yep, seriously too many. I'm going to say it. 732 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:11,239 Speaker 2: I've said Patrick Kane, No, but jeff Ranes go through 733 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 2: when you think that Matthew Richardson are deserved like should 734 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,160 Speaker 2: have been in an absolute champion. But jeff Rynes was 735 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 2: a three time Best and Fairest at Richmond, including in 736 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 2: nineteen eighty a premiership year, two time All Australian, played 737 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 2: over two hundred and fifty games, albeit at four different clubs. 738 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,279 Speaker 2: It's a no brainer that he doesn't get into the 739 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:34,759 Speaker 2: Hall of Fame. 740 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,800 Speaker 1: I would put two other players sav Roca sixteenth on 741 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:40,520 Speaker 1: the all time goalkicking list, and I think the only 742 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,759 Speaker 1: person in the top twenty in the goalkicking list that 743 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,640 Speaker 1: isn't in the Hall of Fame again two club player, 744 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:51,440 Speaker 1: not necessarily being lobby Another one Brent Croswell, two club player. 745 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 3: Yeah Croswell. Croswell's a long time ago and he's certainly 746 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,440 Speaker 3: a legend dinner as a Maverick character. I'd like to 747 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,919 Speaker 3: see just to see what he would speech Beach Peter 748 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:07,240 Speaker 3: out the Hall of Fame last week. Peter Darley from 749 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,040 Speaker 3: South Adelaide. I don't know how good a player he was. 750 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:12,520 Speaker 3: I don't know if he belonged in there or not. 751 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,760 Speaker 3: I'm skeptical of this South Australian lobby in this area. 752 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 3: Sorry to all those Adelaide people listening, but honestly, if 753 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 3: someone from another nor would player from the eighties gets in, well, 754 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,360 Speaker 3: well it was I enjoyed, very funny. 755 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,840 Speaker 2: Well he actually mentioned my father, who's in hospital and 756 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 2: who enjoyed the mentioned because Dad and Jack Dyren Graham 757 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 2: Richmond signed up Peter Darley. They're in a pub in 758 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,279 Speaker 2: Flemington or something, and Peter Darley told the story that 759 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:40,960 Speaker 2: he only did it to get all the other clubs 760 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,239 Speaker 2: off his back, and how good Richmond were they didn't 761 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 2: harass him to come and play. 762 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,000 Speaker 1: The best line on that was Gary Lyne when he said, 763 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 1: you know, I look down, I see burrit it and dance. 764 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,400 Speaker 1: I'd love to play with you, and you know I 765 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,080 Speaker 1: love to play with you. I'd love to go on 766 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:54,640 Speaker 1: a footy trip. 767 00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,760 Speaker 2: Jeff Rains is a no brainer for mine. 768 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,359 Speaker 1: Okay, move on, Caro. Who will be hurt more by 769 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:07,440 Speaker 1: losing the CEO, Brisbane or Sydney given the two recent 770 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:08,600 Speaker 1: appointments to the aphan. 771 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:13,640 Speaker 2: Look, I think Sydney because Brisbane have got well. They've 772 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,600 Speaker 2: both got strong presidents who've been there for a while, 773 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,360 Speaker 2: so I don't I think the boards are very solid. 774 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,200 Speaker 2: But they've just lost their head of footy Sydney two 775 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:27,000 Speaker 2: years ago, well last year really because Charlie Garner was 776 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,720 Speaker 2: doing some work for them in Melbourne, whereas Danny Daley 777 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:33,319 Speaker 2: has been a strong footy lieutenant to Chris Fagan for 778 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 2: a long time. They've got a new coach at Sydney 779 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:40,000 Speaker 2: who's obviously, you know, coming in from you know, coming 780 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 2: in inheriting a broken hearted team really, so I think 781 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,560 Speaker 2: for Sydney it's going to be tough and I don't 782 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,440 Speaker 2: know how good Sam Graham's going to be, but he's 783 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,040 Speaker 2: already been installed, like they've got a clear succession plan. 784 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,800 Speaker 2: Sydney are very good at succession plans, but this probably 785 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,000 Speaker 2: happened before they were ready. 786 00:38:56,360 --> 00:39:00,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely Sydney hard to hit in the short Just 787 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 3: one thing on Brisbane and I've mentioned this to people 788 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,480 Speaker 3: at the club, Like I think that that the Brisbane lines, 789 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,720 Speaker 3: with the success they've had with the Olympic thing coming 790 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,560 Speaker 3: in with how good they've been on the field, they 791 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,080 Speaker 3: really have to and talking about ten million in the bank, 792 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 3: they really have to get their funding from the AFL down. 793 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 3: I think this is something that never gets attention. They've 794 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,359 Speaker 3: been the third most funded club for a long long 795 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,239 Speaker 3: time and that part of it is a bit of 796 00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:29,799 Speaker 3: a I don't think their financial performance deserves as much 797 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,359 Speaker 3: praise as it's gotten said. 798 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,840 Speaker 1: They've got no debt, ten million, ten million in the 799 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:37,320 Speaker 1: bank and rebuild a facility. 800 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, but they've been a huge recipient of AFL fund. 801 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,719 Speaker 2: I'll tell you what they do deserve praise for football 802 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,680 Speaker 2: and the numbers in Queensland absolutely, which will go past 803 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:51,240 Speaker 2: South Australia we're being told ultimately, which is a great achievement. 804 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,360 Speaker 3: Ultimately, this is why there's such an important club for 805 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,719 Speaker 3: the code because they have actually changed the code for 806 00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,200 Speaker 3: the better. They've done a mighty job in that. I'm 807 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,040 Speaker 3: just saying the fun Really, it's a little sneaky thing 808 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:03,880 Speaker 3: that hasn't got a lot of attention. 809 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,880 Speaker 2: Well, no doubt you've given it attention and you'll continue 810 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:07,120 Speaker 2: to do. 811 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:07,359 Speaker 3: So. 812 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:11,240 Speaker 1: We'll finished with a question from Phil from Wollongong, who asks, 813 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,960 Speaker 1: we've heard a lot about Melbourne and its culture, to 814 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,160 Speaker 1: what extent is Stephen May's behavior towards his teammates a 815 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,799 Speaker 1: symptom of the problems at Melbourne. I can't think of 816 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:21,560 Speaker 1: too many other teams that would condone it. 817 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,680 Speaker 2: I didn't have as much of a problem with what 818 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,200 Speaker 2: happened last weekend. You're talking about the King's Birthday game. 819 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,480 Speaker 2: It was poor timing to go and say that to 820 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:35,200 Speaker 2: his captain. Had he not followed it up with giving 821 00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:39,480 Speaker 2: away that pivotal fifty penalty a week later, I mean 822 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,920 Speaker 2: Melbourne were coming. That was just stupid what he did 823 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,279 Speaker 2: Stephen May. And he's a leader and he's one of 824 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:46,920 Speaker 2: the great defenders in the competition. 825 00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,719 Speaker 1: It is that sort of you're going to go up 826 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:54,400 Speaker 1: and have crack at someone for making an error in 827 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,960 Speaker 1: a game. A decision wasn't even really a he just 828 00:40:58,239 --> 00:40:59,880 Speaker 1: slewed the ball. They were ever going to win from 829 00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:03,319 Speaker 1: that point. But with the gorn thing, the gorn thing, 830 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:04,520 Speaker 1: but don't go with this. 831 00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,560 Speaker 3: It's just a pity that Melksham didn't run in at that. 832 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:10,640 Speaker 2: It wasn't he going to have a crack at melch 833 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:12,279 Speaker 2: Did you realize that? 834 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:14,640 Speaker 1: All right, that is all we've got time for for 835 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,759 Speaker 1: this week. Thanks to you both, Carol and Jake for 836 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,160 Speaker 1: joining us. Thanks allso out of Channel seven and Fox 837 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,640 Speaker 1: Footy for the audio we've used in this episode. 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