WEBVTT - Sunday Night Bill Crews June 1 2025

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Sunday Night, Cruise Imagine and now here's your radio,

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<v Speaker 1>Reverend Bill Cruise.

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<v Speaker 2>A great, big, warm Welcome to your Sunday Night family. You, yes, you,

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<v Speaker 2>you really are welcome here and we're all together on air,

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<v Speaker 2>on digital and online. So come on call in now

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<v Speaker 2>and share with us on one three one eight seveny three.

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<v Speaker 2>Soon we discuss feminism and plastic surgery with Eva Cox.

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<v Speaker 2>Later this hour, we talked to the original lead singer

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<v Speaker 2>and a founding member of The Wiggles, Greg Page, who's

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<v Speaker 2>currently playing President FDR in the current Australian production of Annie.

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<v Speaker 2>Next hour, and with National Reconciliation Week winding down, we

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<v Speaker 2>talked to one of Australia's leading Aboriginal psychologists, Dr Tracy

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<v Speaker 2>Westerman about the launch of Change Direction, a powerful new

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<v Speaker 2>short film which delivers the stark truth about Aboriginal suicide rates,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly among young people, and they are continuing to rise.

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<v Speaker 2>In our last hour, we talked to critically acclaimed author

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<v Speaker 2>Hilda Hinton about her book The Opposite of Lonely, which

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<v Speaker 2>deals with loneliness, social disconnection and the power of friendship.

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<v Speaker 2>Last week, there were tears and hope as families mourned

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<v Speaker 2>the Bondi stabbing victems. On inquest's final day and last Friday,

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<v Speaker 2>a teen was arrested in Melbourne over the Northland shopping

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<v Speaker 2>center machete brawl. He had previously been found with horrifying

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<v Speaker 2>images of himself posing with knives, buying machetes, and graphic

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<v Speaker 2>video of the stabbing of another young male. The fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>year old was already on four counts of bail when

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<v Speaker 2>he allegedly became involved in last Sunday's violent melay, sparked

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<v Speaker 2>by rival gang members looking at each other the wrong way. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 2>Victorian retailers are clambering to remove prohibited machetes from store

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<v Speaker 2>shelves as an Australian first ban on the sale of

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<v Speaker 2>the weapons comes into effect. The ban was fast tracked

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<v Speaker 2>last Monday after the terrifying weekend of knife crime, and

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<v Speaker 2>forced as of midday last Friday. The measures imposed an

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<v Speaker 2>interim ban on the sale of cutting a knives with

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<v Speaker 2>a blade longer than twenty centimeters, excluding kitchenware. So what

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<v Speaker 2>do you think of the Victorian government's retail machete ban?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it something we should be looking at? In New

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<v Speaker 2>South Wales, Queensland and the Act. How serious is knife

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<v Speaker 2>and machete crime become in the community? Will this ban

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<v Speaker 2>improve public safety? As online access to these products remains unregulated?

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<v Speaker 2>Should the Commonwealth step in to regulate the sale of

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<v Speaker 2>knives and machetes across Australia wide? Could a buyback scheme

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<v Speaker 2>similar to the gun buy back be an effective way

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<v Speaker 2>of removing machetes from the community. So your thoughts on

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<v Speaker 2>a ban on machetes and cutting edge knives with a

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<v Speaker 2>blade longer than twenty centimeters? Is it a good or

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<v Speaker 2>a bad idea? One three, one eight seven three And

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<v Speaker 2>As National Reconciliation Week winds down for twenty twenty five,

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<v Speaker 2>we are a minded of Australia's shared history and our

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<v Speaker 2>ongoing journey towards reconciliation. It's been a time to reflect,

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<v Speaker 2>learn and take action, honoring the resilience, culture and achievements

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<v Speaker 2>of Aboriginal and Torrestraate islander peoples. The theme this year

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<v Speaker 2>has been bridging Now to Next and has urged all

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<v Speaker 2>Australians to unite in advancing reconciliation. It has called on

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<v Speaker 2>us to learn from the past, take action in the present,

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<v Speaker 2>and build a more inclusive future. So what is National

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<v Speaker 2>Reconciliation Week twenty twenty five meant for you? Have you

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<v Speaker 2>participated in any events over the past week? How important

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<v Speaker 2>has it been for you to reflect, learn and take

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<v Speaker 2>action honoring the resilience, culture and achievements of Aboriginal and

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<v Speaker 2>Torrestrad Island of People's over National Reconciliation Week? What would

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<v Speaker 2>you like to see happen to advance reconciliation into the future.

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<v Speaker 2>What do we need to do to build a more

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<v Speaker 2>inclusive future with our Indigenous brothers and sisters and in

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<v Speaker 2>advancing reconciliation, what must we learn from the past and

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<v Speaker 2>what about closing the gap between Indigenous and non Indigenous Australians.

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<v Speaker 2>Do we need to do more? Meanwhile, there have been

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<v Speaker 2>community calls for answers after another death in custody of

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<v Speaker 2>a twenty four year old Aboriginal man in Alice Springs.

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<v Speaker 2>The man was declared dead in hospital about seventy minutes

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<v Speaker 2>after he was restrained on the ground following an altercation

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<v Speaker 2>with security guards at a local court Coals about one

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<v Speaker 2>ten pm last Tuesday. So are we doing enough to

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<v Speaker 2>end Aboriginal deaths in custody? How? How can we get

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<v Speaker 2>these numbers down? And suicide rates among Aboriginal and Torrestrate

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<v Speaker 2>Islander that's First Nations people are substantially higher than those

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<v Speaker 2>of non Indigenous Australians. What can be done to reduce

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<v Speaker 2>deaths by suicide and suicide behavior among First Nations people?

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<v Speaker 2>And does this need to be a public health priority

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<v Speaker 2>for all Australian governments? And last Monday May twenty six

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<v Speaker 2>was National Sorry Day, which remembers and acknowledges the mistreatment

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<v Speaker 2>of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people who are forcibly

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<v Speaker 2>removed from their families and communities, which we now know

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<v Speaker 2>as the Stolen Generations. So what are we doing? Are

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<v Speaker 2>we doing enough to help Stolen Generation survivors? And can

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<v Speaker 2>we all play a part in the healing process? Today,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty three years after the Bringing Them Home Report and

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<v Speaker 2>twelve years since the National Apology, Aboriginal and Torres Strait

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<v Speaker 2>Islander children are still over ten times more likely than

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<v Speaker 2>non Indigenous children to be removed from their families. What

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<v Speaker 2>needs to be done to turn this around? So come on,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd like your thoughts on National Reconciliation Week twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five and its significance to you. One three one eight

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<v Speaker 2>seven three and American singer Charlene was born in Los Angeles, California,

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<v Speaker 2>on this day in nineteen fifty, so she's seventy five.

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<v Speaker 2>Her only hit was in nineteen eighty two with I've

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<v Speaker 2>Never Been to Me, which spent six weeks at number

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<v Speaker 2>one in Australia.

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<v Speaker 3>Really you.

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<v Speaker 4>Cursing your life?

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<v Speaker 5>You're a discontented mother into regmentu. I've no doubt you

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<v Speaker 5>dream about the things you never do.

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<v Speaker 6>But I wish someone had to talk to me.

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<v Speaker 7>Like I want to talk to you.

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<v Speaker 5>Who have been to Georgia and California anywhere I could

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<v Speaker 5>all run.

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<v Speaker 3>Took the hand of a preacher, man me me.

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<v Speaker 8>Love in the sun. But I ran out of places

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<v Speaker 8>and friendly faces because I had to be free.

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<v Speaker 4>To parent. I spad, I never been to me.

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<v Speaker 6>Please, lady, please leady, don't just walk away, because I

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<v Speaker 6>have this need to tell you why.

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<v Speaker 8>All alone today I can see so much he still

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<v Speaker 8>living in your eyes, or to shed about of a

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<v Speaker 8>very hut that has lived and really lies.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, I've been to Nice and the Isle of Greece.

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<v Speaker 7>While I said to Champagne, yet I moved like Harlow and.

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<v Speaker 6>Love to come and showed them what I've got.

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<v Speaker 7>I've been.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm dressed by kings, and I've seen some things that

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<v Speaker 8>are all minds most deceit.

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<v Speaker 4>Two pair and die never been.

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<v Speaker 9>To me.

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<v Speaker 7>Hair, you know, appearces.

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<v Speaker 10>It's a lie, a fantasy we create about people and

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<v Speaker 10>places as we'd.

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<v Speaker 3>Like them to be here.

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<v Speaker 8>But you know a true it's that little baby you're holding,

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<v Speaker 8>and it's that man your father this morning, the same

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<v Speaker 8>one you're going to make love with tonight.

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<v Speaker 4>That's true.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the sometimes I've been.

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<v Speaker 6>To crying and formal moorn children.

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<v Speaker 7>Then my husband made me complete.

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<v Speaker 3>I took the sweet life that never loved like me

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<v Speaker 3>been from.

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<v Speaker 4>The sweet I spent my last exploring the.

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<v Speaker 7>Son, horring that cost too much to be for.

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<v Speaker 3>Love them to bear.

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<v Speaker 2>To Welcome to the show, seem.

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<v Speaker 11>Okay, Bill, how are you going mate?

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<v Speaker 2>Good today?

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<v Speaker 12>That's good to hear.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, just on this this machete thing, particularly the band

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<v Speaker 11>they're instituting him in Victoria. I look, I think that's

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<v Speaker 11>it's an interesting thing. I think there'll be other states

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<v Speaker 11>around the country that are clamoring for that to happen.

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<v Speaker 11>It's probably going to be a national approach anyway, because

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<v Speaker 11>other states will be asking their government what about us? Yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 11>why you know that? And as for repeat offenders, particularly

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<v Speaker 11>repeat youth offenders, something's not quite working out because if

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<v Speaker 11>they can keep being put on bail and they keep

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<v Speaker 11>reaffect well, obviously something's going wrong there in the system

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<v Speaker 11>where never.

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<v Speaker 2>We've never, we've never in this country done enough for

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<v Speaker 2>our youth sieve never.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, well, I mean, and that's that's your talking probably

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<v Speaker 11>about getting in early and all that kind of thing,

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<v Speaker 11>really early before they give this stage. And I would

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<v Speaker 11>agree with that. I think you do have to get

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<v Speaker 11>in very very early. I also think when crimes like

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<v Speaker 11>this happen, and people don't like to hear this, but

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<v Speaker 11>when crimes like this happen, yes, you do have to

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<v Speaker 11>have rehabilitation. I'm all in favor of that, but there

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<v Speaker 11>does have to be some kind of punishment or some

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<v Speaker 11>kind of consequence for that action. Otherwise, you know, the

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<v Speaker 11>message won't get through.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, right, that's right.

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<v Speaker 12>You've got to do both, got to do both.

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<v Speaker 11>If you don't do both, then I'm afraid these kinds

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<v Speaker 11>of issues will happen. And when you have when you

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<v Speaker 11>have repeated that this being let out repeatedly, so to speak, Well, then.

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<v Speaker 13>You know, what can you expect if you're going to

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<v Speaker 13>do the same thing you get And.

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<v Speaker 2>The reason they get let out is because none of

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<v Speaker 2>them people in who are looking after these sorts of

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<v Speaker 2>kids know what to do, or they do know what

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<v Speaker 2>to do, they just haven't got the resources to do it.

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<v Speaker 14>Well.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, I don't know where the magistrates have actually said that,

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<v Speaker 11>but I wouldn't be surprised if that were to be

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<v Speaker 11>the case. But you know, it is a real problem.

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<v Speaker 11>It's a problem right across the place. And I do

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<v Speaker 11>think that governments they've got to get their heads around

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<v Speaker 11>this issue because if they don't, the community anger is

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<v Speaker 11>just going to keep boiling over.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it'll just keep boiling over. God bless you

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<v Speaker 2>Siev Thanke you for you come on your thoughts on

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<v Speaker 2>the Machete Band one three one eight seven three.

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<v Speaker 1>You're with the radio Reverend Bill Crooves.

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<v Speaker 2>Good a Michael, what made you pick up the phone?

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<v Speaker 9>Mate?

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<v Speaker 15>Oh?

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<v Speaker 16>Well, just talking about the issues of all the night

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<v Speaker 16>crimes and banning twenty centimeter blades. They look a ten

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<v Speaker 16>centimeters play could still kill somebody. Yeah, that's one thing,

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<v Speaker 16>but they should introduce something right where people who kill

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<v Speaker 16>people from stubbings and machetes or any sort of knife

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<v Speaker 16>or shootings or whatever locked away for life, and what

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<v Speaker 16>they should do. They should open a TV channel where's

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<v Speaker 16>twenty four to seven. They watch the prisoners there, They

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<v Speaker 16>watch them and then they go, Okay, what's changed about him?

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<v Speaker 16>And nothing? Just his fingernails for a bit longer. He's

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<v Speaker 16>just in their waist of a life because he thought

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<v Speaker 16>he was cool to carry a knife around. And that

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<v Speaker 16>should be the consequence, because if the consequence is, you know,

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<v Speaker 16>the risk is very high, what rewards do they get

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<v Speaker 16>if they're going to risk their whole life because they

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<v Speaker 16>don't like someone.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it sounds it kind of looked like in Melbourne

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<v Speaker 2>like it was some sort of gang crime, didn't the.

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<v Speaker 16>Yeah, well they should walk him up for light. In Sydney,

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<v Speaker 16>now we've got you know, the worst or the worst

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<v Speaker 16>at the moment with all the shooting is all the shootings.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the people are quick to go out to people

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<v Speaker 2>with the knives. But in Sydney it's his full line,

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<v Speaker 2>isn't it? With guns?

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<v Speaker 16>Well, I was nearby, I was there when it happened.

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<v Speaker 16>I was just on the other side of the road.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so how do you mean tell us?

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<v Speaker 17>Oh, well, I was about to start a new job.

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<v Speaker 16>Last week on Monday. So I started a new job

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<v Speaker 16>and I'm trying to find the quickest way to get

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<v Speaker 16>the Paramatta and I was on Paramatter Road turning with

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<v Speaker 16>a Mercedes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 17>Yeah, And then when I went down there, Oh, this

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<v Speaker 17>year's just people screaming, going crazy, horns beeping, pinging as

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<v Speaker 17>a car accident, but no, it was gunshots being fired.

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<v Speaker 16>And they sped off there and he didn't get shot there,

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<v Speaker 16>got shot a few a bit before that, and seeing

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<v Speaker 16>all the blood everywhere, and you know, for people to

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<v Speaker 16>see that look even after that young bloke is around

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<v Speaker 16>my age, got shot in front of his house. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 16>I'm scared to go into my own house because I

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<v Speaker 16>live around that sort of area. You know, at night time.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to get what needs to be done, Michael, Well, strict.

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<v Speaker 16>The gun laws, the border security, what's coming to our country.

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<v Speaker 16>There's too much illegal drugs, which is fueling.

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<v Speaker 2>The gang crome and the cigarettes as well.

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<v Speaker 16>Now, well the cigarette that's more of the Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 16>a big one on the tobacconists and well, it's really

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<v Speaker 16>disgusting what we're seeing. You know, you import the third world,

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<v Speaker 16>you become the third world.

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<v Speaker 2>So do you think do you think the police are

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<v Speaker 2>doing enough?

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<v Speaker 9>No, not at all.

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<v Speaker 16>They are under resource. They don't have the resources. They

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<v Speaker 16>can't figure out who shot that guy in Condell Pass

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<v Speaker 16>the other week, that twenty three year old guy. They

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<v Speaker 16>can't even find out who that was, even though they

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<v Speaker 16>can still get evidence from the burnt out cars, the

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<v Speaker 16>fake plates that they use, sort all the illegal stuff.

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<v Speaker 16>But what they do is they steal a car, they

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<v Speaker 16>find a car with similar number plates, take a phoo,

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<v Speaker 16>gets on the copy it over, send them a plate

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<v Speaker 16>so they can go to it, go and detect it

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<v Speaker 16>on the police cameras.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, yep.

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<v Speaker 16>So the very underresourced, if they could stop guns coming in,

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<v Speaker 16>you know, all these knives to who gets the hold

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<v Speaker 16>of knives? Who get to hold of this? Like the

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<v Speaker 16>stop and search what they had in the UK, they

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<v Speaker 16>had to stop it because it was considered racist because

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<v Speaker 16>a majority of the people that were carrying knives were

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<v Speaker 16>of African descent. So they stopped that because it was racist.

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<v Speaker 16>And they're pulling up, you know, the typical suspect and

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<v Speaker 16>what is what the police thought. So it's all the

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<v Speaker 16>wake stuff that's getting in the way and people dying,

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<v Speaker 16>Like it's very obvious to tell who could possibly be

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<v Speaker 16>carrying someone wearing a hoodie, you know, trying to cover

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<v Speaker 16>their face, trying to you know, one of those what

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<v Speaker 16>do they call them, chees or whatever, But they're more

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<v Speaker 16>likely they something on them on them than someone you know,

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<v Speaker 16>dressed in you know, a polo shirt or a suit.

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<v Speaker 16>So it's not really racist. That's what they should bring in.

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<v Speaker 16>Tould be a commonwealth wall that stop and stop and search.

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<v Speaker 16>They would really prevent things, give police more power to

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<v Speaker 16>search vehicles and houses as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Police police used to have those, Michael, but they abused it.

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<v Speaker 16>They abused it, Yes, that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>But now so that there's almost a no win suits

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<v Speaker 2>the situation, if you get what I.

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<v Speaker 16>Mean, I know exactly what you're saying, but yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 16>the only thing that can that can really stop them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I wonder how much it's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>communities as well, that we we leave certain communities isolated

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<v Speaker 2>and don't go near them and then then it just

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<v Speaker 2>festers in there. How much do you think.

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<v Speaker 16>It's that well, more rural town to places where you know,

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<v Speaker 16>more outback and whatever, more smaller town. Obviously you've got

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<v Speaker 16>Kendall which William Tyrell went missing. Yeah, the sort of

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<v Speaker 16>a man of pedophiles that were over there. That lots

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<v Speaker 16>of pedopoles in that little small town which is the

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<v Speaker 16>size of you know, a normal suburban Sydney. There's not

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<v Speaker 16>a they're not resourced enough the police and they don't

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<v Speaker 16>have enough power anymore, and that's what's getting people.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well it sounds like it sounds like we need

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<v Speaker 2>to have a full in a full kind of get

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<v Speaker 2>together and make society look look at itself and make

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<v Speaker 2>things a bit better. God bless you, Michael, and thanks

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<v Speaker 2>very much for you to thank you. We seem to

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<v Speaker 2>be living in a society where a whole lot of

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<v Speaker 2>issues are kind of boiling over that the lid's been

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<v Speaker 2>kept on all these issues for so long, they just

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<v Speaker 2>boil over. What do you think knife crime and all

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<v Speaker 2>of this sort of stuff. Give me hearing on one

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<v Speaker 2>three one eight seven three. There'll be an inquiry into

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<v Speaker 2>the cosmetic surgery industry after a raft of botch beauty

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<v Speaker 2>procedures everything from life persuction to breast implants and even butterlifts.

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<v Speaker 2>For sure, that's bad enough in itself, but more broadly,

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<v Speaker 2>it raises bigger questions about women and their body image. Indeed,

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<v Speaker 2>a fair minded observer might conclude that the cosmetic surgery

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<v Speaker 2>industry was built on making young women feel bad about

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<v Speaker 2>their looks. Why are women surrendering to the cosmetic industry's

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<v Speaker 2>ideal of female beauty? Eva Cox, you're a proud feminist.

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<v Speaker 2>Does it sadden you to see so many young women

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<v Speaker 2>feeling the need to get cosmetic beauty procedures?

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<v Speaker 13>I'm not sure it saddened to me, or puzzle to me.

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<v Speaker 13>I can't work out why, you know, because we're supposed

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<v Speaker 13>to be feeling good about ourselves. You don't feel good

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<v Speaker 13>about yourself if you want to sort of go to

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<v Speaker 13>the cosmetic surgeon to sort of add bits to your

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<v Speaker 13>tits or ad bits to your bottom, or you know,

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<v Speaker 13>take away a bit from here and a bit from there.

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<v Speaker 13>It sounds wasteful and cruel in a sense. I really

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<v Speaker 13>wonder where the young women are coming from. Where that

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<v Speaker 13>becomes so important. I think one of the points about

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<v Speaker 13>feminism was to get is less feeling that we had

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<v Speaker 13>to sell our bodies for you know, for comfort or pleasure.

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<v Speaker 2>More on that later, because it's got to be worth

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<v Speaker 2>noting that most of these cosmetic surgeons are male. So

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<v Speaker 2>you've got men prescribing an ideal of female beauty.

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<v Speaker 13>Oh, they've been doing that forever. That's on the point

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<v Speaker 13>about it is, you know that the idea is because

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<v Speaker 13>you know, women had to sort of sell their parents

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<v Speaker 13>and their capacities to men to sort of put up

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<v Speaker 13>with the fact that the men have been supposed to

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<v Speaker 13>take care of them for the rest of their lives

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<v Speaker 13>or various other.

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<v Speaker 12>Ways of doing it.

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<v Speaker 13>So we really haven't got through the idea that there's

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<v Speaker 13>a genuine male and female partnership which should depend on

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<v Speaker 13>a range of relationship attraction things and not just on

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<v Speaker 13>where your physical bumps stick out in particular ways or

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<v Speaker 13>don't stick out enough, or whatever happens to me. I mean,

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<v Speaker 13>I just am appalled about the level of women that

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<v Speaker 13>sort of feel they've got to adjust their bodies, and

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<v Speaker 13>they often not even because of men, but because of

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<v Speaker 13>things in magazines or online or whatever it is.

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<v Speaker 2>What about social media? Is it fair to say social

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<v Speaker 2>media plays a crucial role in heightening female body image issues.

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<v Speaker 13>I think social media does, and I gather. This is

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<v Speaker 13>where these cosmetic surgeons or cosmetic doctors are not really surgents,

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<v Speaker 13>constantly sort of advertised because that's where they get the

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<v Speaker 13>women and sort of convince them that if they don't

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<v Speaker 13>get their laby as trimmed, that they're going to be

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<v Speaker 13>soon as unattractive.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm talking with feminist ever Cox. Either women seemingly get

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<v Speaker 2>boob jobs, butteroglyphs and the rest to please men. So

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<v Speaker 2>has feminism failed women or have they simply rejected feminism.

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<v Speaker 13>I don't know whether they've rejected feminism. I think what

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<v Speaker 13>feminism gives a sort of mixed message to some of

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<v Speaker 13>them in the way that they do it in so

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<v Speaker 13>far as they feel they have the right to have

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<v Speaker 13>the body that makes them feel good. I don't even

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<v Speaker 13>know how fight's to do with the attraction of men

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<v Speaker 13>or how fight is to do we're just looking good

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<v Speaker 13>for the general community at large. But certainly there is

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<v Speaker 13>a sense where women feel one of the rights that

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<v Speaker 13>feminism has imposed on them is the right to sort

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<v Speaker 13>of make their body look whatever they think it ought

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<v Speaker 13>to be. And I'm not sure they actually, as I say,

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<v Speaker 13>responding to individual men, or even responding to individual cosmetic surgeons.

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<v Speaker 13>It's just that sort of feeling that somehow or other

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<v Speaker 13>we've got to look like some sort of plastic dog.

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<v Speaker 13>I think what feminism has done is fail to give

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<v Speaker 13>women enough of a good sense of who they are

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<v Speaker 13>that their body in toto is taken into account and

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<v Speaker 13>not whether they stick out in an appropriate way in

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<v Speaker 13>various sexual or even non sexual things.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think young women especially see feminism as something

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<v Speaker 2>that doesn't matter to them.

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<v Speaker 13>No, I think they get confused about it and say,

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<v Speaker 13>feminism is about my freedom to do whatever I want,

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<v Speaker 13>in the same way that there's a whole lot of

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<v Speaker 13>politics at the moment that seems to be saying exactly

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<v Speaker 13>that sort of stuff, that that sort of emphasis on self.

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<v Speaker 2>But feminism isn't it about freedom from mil oppression?

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<v Speaker 13>Well, I mean you can put that in, but I

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<v Speaker 13>think feminism is basically about the recognition of all of

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<v Speaker 13>those things that we tend to put down because that's

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<v Speaker 13>what women do.

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<v Speaker 12>If you take a look at the world generally.

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<v Speaker 13>You know that care is actually undervalued and underpaid sort of.

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<v Speaker 13>You know that the contributions we make are undervalued and underpaid.

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<v Speaker 13>That it's what we look that seems to be important.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got to ask you, do women still need feminism either.

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<v Speaker 13>Yes, because we're still in a world that's entirely run

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<v Speaker 13>by men. I mean, we wouldn't have made such quite

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<v Speaker 13>a stuff up of a lot of the politics at

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<v Speaker 13>the moment if we were sort of concerned about society

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<v Speaker 13>and not concerned about bloody economics, which is something that

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<v Speaker 13>was definitely is a discipline that seems to have a

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<v Speaker 13>penis erected and amongst the you know, the various figures,

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<v Speaker 13>because it doesn't seem to deal with emotions, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 13>deal with relationships, it doesn't deal with society, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 13>deal with obligations, it doesn't deal with ethics. We're making

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<v Speaker 13>a profit, and that's you know what blokes, And I

0:25:41.440 --> 0:25:43.600
<v Speaker 13>mean I feel sorry for blokes because they very often

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<v Speaker 13>get forced into the idea that if they're not making

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<v Speaker 13>a profit, they're not a real man. So, I mean,

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<v Speaker 13>we've still got huge inequalities about power, relationship, what's good

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<v Speaker 13>and what's bad.

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<v Speaker 2>We got into the place where cosmetic beauty became the ideal.

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<v Speaker 13>It becomes a product because mesics makes us a product,

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<v Speaker 13>and a product is saleable.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks very much, Eva, God bless you and thanks for

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<v Speaker 2>talking to us tonight.

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<v Speaker 11>It was a pleasure.

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<v Speaker 1>Australia's favorite Sunday night radio with Bill Cruise.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone under six and their parents knows that song. And

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<v Speaker 2>of course, former Yellow Wiggle Greg Page, who was the

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<v Speaker 2>original lead singer and a founding member of the children's

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<v Speaker 2>band Wiggles from nineteen ninety one to two thousand and

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<v Speaker 2>six and again in twenty twelve, and he's currently playing

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<v Speaker 2>FDR in the Australian production of the legendary musical Annie

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<v Speaker 2>and I got Greg on the line. Hello Greg, Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>Reverend Bill, how are you good? Mate? Thanks? Now you've

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<v Speaker 2>just come off stage after two shows today. It must

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<v Speaker 2>be pretty grueling.

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<v Speaker 9>Oh look, it's not too bad compared to I mean,

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<v Speaker 9>we do eight performances a week with Annie. Sometimes with

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<v Speaker 9>the Wiggles we used to do up to twenty one

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<v Speaker 9>performances a week, so it's like comparison. This is a breeze.

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<v Speaker 19>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you ever guess back in ninety ninety one that

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<v Speaker 2>that Wiggles would morph into a worldwide phenomenon.

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<v Speaker 9>No, we had no idea, and I guess that's the

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<v Speaker 9>beauty of life. You never know what's around the corner

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<v Speaker 9>waiting for you, and if you take opportunities. And I

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<v Speaker 9>guess the opportunity that we saw was just the opportunity

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<v Speaker 9>to create good quality children's entertainment. And it was really

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<v Speaker 9>Anthony Field. The Blue Wiggle was his dream to do this,

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<v Speaker 9>and you know, we just did it because we had

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<v Speaker 9>a passion for it. It wasn't about global domination or

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<v Speaker 9>becoming big or successful. I think the greatest success you

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<v Speaker 9>can have in life is if you go to work

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<v Speaker 9>every day and do something you'd love. That's success. Everything

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<v Speaker 9>else's cream on top.

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<v Speaker 2>Because a lot of us remember the Australian band the

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<v Speaker 2>cock Coaches that served as the foundation for the Wiggles, didn't.

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<v Speaker 9>I yeah, I kind of did it. So Anthony and

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<v Speaker 9>Jeff were in the Wiggles, sorry, in the Cockroaches, and

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<v Speaker 9>I was a fan of the Cockroaches growing up listening

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<v Speaker 9>to their music and I had to do work experience

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<v Speaker 9>in year ten at school, I said I wanted to

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<v Speaker 9>do work experience with the Cockroaches as a roadie, as

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<v Speaker 9>a sound engineer and that's when I really first met

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<v Speaker 9>Anthony and Jeff, and I stayed in touch with them.

0:28:25.480 --> 0:28:28.920
<v Speaker 9>I ended up doing early childhood teaching at university with Anthony,

0:28:29.359 --> 0:28:31.560
<v Speaker 9>and that's where the genesis of the Wiggles came from,

0:28:31.600 --> 0:28:35.160
<v Speaker 9>that connection to early childhood education and of course music.

0:28:35.640 --> 0:28:38.920
<v Speaker 2>So you must have been difficult for you to pass

0:28:38.960 --> 0:28:41.120
<v Speaker 2>the Alabatton in twenty twelve.

0:28:42.120 --> 0:28:44.160
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, Look, I've done it before in two thousand and

0:28:44.280 --> 0:28:46.560
<v Speaker 9>six when I was unwell and I had to leave

0:28:46.600 --> 0:28:48.360
<v Speaker 9>the group back in two thousand and six, and the

0:28:48.440 --> 0:28:52.600
<v Speaker 9>guys asked me back in twenty twelve because the current

0:28:52.960 --> 0:28:55.360
<v Speaker 9>Yellow Wiggle at that time, Sam was leaving the group

0:28:55.440 --> 0:28:57.880
<v Speaker 9>and they needed somebody to fill in for that year.

0:28:58.480 --> 0:29:01.320
<v Speaker 9>And as it turned out, not that I knew it

0:29:01.320 --> 0:29:02.760
<v Speaker 9>at the time because I was only back for a

0:29:02.840 --> 0:29:06.360
<v Speaker 9>few months, but Murray and Jeff decided to make twenty

0:29:06.440 --> 0:29:09.200
<v Speaker 9>twelve their final year with the Wiggles as well, So

0:29:09.760 --> 0:29:11.640
<v Speaker 9>it ended up working out well and I was back

0:29:11.720 --> 0:29:14.520
<v Speaker 9>that year because then could actually have a whole year

0:29:14.600 --> 0:29:18.520
<v Speaker 9>of shows as the original group of Wiggles, saying farewell

0:29:18.920 --> 0:29:20.200
<v Speaker 9>for three of us at the same time.

0:29:20.720 --> 0:29:24.160
<v Speaker 2>Now I didn't know this, but you amassed the fourth

0:29:24.320 --> 0:29:29.680
<v Speaker 2>largest collection of Elvis Presley memorabilia in the world. What's

0:29:29.760 --> 0:29:30.640
<v Speaker 2>satinal about?

0:29:31.440 --> 0:29:35.240
<v Speaker 9>Well, look, I visited Graceland back in nineteen ninety nine

0:29:35.280 --> 0:29:38.080
<v Speaker 9>when the Wiggles were on tour in the US, and

0:29:38.520 --> 0:29:41.840
<v Speaker 9>I felt just a strong connection to Elvis's story. I mean,

0:29:41.880 --> 0:29:45.360
<v Speaker 9>he was a very spiritual person and he questioned life,

0:29:45.400 --> 0:29:48.320
<v Speaker 9>and he questioned why he was chosen to be the

0:29:48.400 --> 0:29:50.760
<v Speaker 9>superstar that he was, but he had a lot of

0:29:50.800 --> 0:29:53.720
<v Speaker 9>personal struggles as well, and I thought, you know, there's

0:29:53.760 --> 0:29:58.480
<v Speaker 9>a lot more to this legend than people realized. And

0:29:58.800 --> 0:30:02.320
<v Speaker 9>I found it very deep, and I started collecting things

0:30:02.360 --> 0:30:07.200
<v Speaker 9>that he had owned, so shirts, books, documents, cars, he's

0:30:07.240 --> 0:30:10.920
<v Speaker 9>marriage certificate, furniture from his homes and I set up

0:30:10.920 --> 0:30:13.719
<v Speaker 9>a museum in Parks where they have the annual Eldest

0:30:13.760 --> 0:30:17.160
<v Speaker 9>Festival every year. So that museum has been there, it's

0:30:17.200 --> 0:30:20.160
<v Speaker 9>called the King's Castle. It's been there since two thousand

0:30:20.200 --> 0:30:22.320
<v Speaker 9>and eight. I think it was the first set it

0:30:22.400 --> 0:30:25.719
<v Speaker 9>up there. So the collection a loan to the council

0:30:25.800 --> 0:30:27.680
<v Speaker 9>out there. So if people are ever passing through the

0:30:27.720 --> 0:30:30.760
<v Speaker 9>central West of New South Wales, if they're going through Parks,

0:30:30.840 --> 0:30:33.360
<v Speaker 9>calling to the King's Castle, it's at the information center

0:30:33.440 --> 0:30:35.400
<v Speaker 9>there and see if you feel a connection to the

0:30:35.440 --> 0:30:36.520
<v Speaker 9>story of the king as well.

0:30:36.680 --> 0:30:39.480
<v Speaker 2>And you're an im Yeah, yeah.

0:30:39.400 --> 0:30:43.080
<v Speaker 9>So I got an Order of Australia back in twenty ten,

0:30:43.280 --> 0:30:45.640
<v Speaker 9>actually it was, And I mean that's one of the

0:30:46.280 --> 0:30:49.280
<v Speaker 9>biggest honors I think I've received. You know, we've received

0:30:49.280 --> 0:30:51.800
<v Speaker 9>a whole lot of ARIA awards, a whole lot of

0:30:51.880 --> 0:30:56.200
<v Speaker 9>other accolades. But for me, that am says a lot

0:30:56.280 --> 0:30:59.120
<v Speaker 9>because it's not just awarded by peers. Whereas you know

0:30:59.280 --> 0:31:03.160
<v Speaker 9>music awards generally awarded by peers. This is awarded by

0:31:03.240 --> 0:31:05.720
<v Speaker 9>people in the community who recognize your service to the

0:31:05.760 --> 0:31:10.360
<v Speaker 9>country in various ways. So to have that award and

0:31:10.760 --> 0:31:13.040
<v Speaker 9>order bestowed upon me and the other members of the

0:31:13.080 --> 0:31:16.280
<v Speaker 9>Wiggles was a huge honor indeed, and a big thrill.

0:31:17.000 --> 0:31:19.640
<v Speaker 2>And you were really lucky, won't you, because you had

0:31:19.680 --> 0:31:23.640
<v Speaker 2>a heart attack in January twenty twenty and you're only

0:31:23.760 --> 0:31:25.160
<v Speaker 2>one in twenty survive.

0:31:26.320 --> 0:31:30.240
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, that's right. Look, it's a terrible statistic that there's

0:31:30.280 --> 0:31:33.400
<v Speaker 9>more than thirty two thousand cardiac arrests every year in

0:31:33.440 --> 0:31:37.120
<v Speaker 9>Australia and only one in twenty survived. Five percent survived

0:31:37.120 --> 0:31:38.800
<v Speaker 9>to go home to their family so I do count

0:31:38.840 --> 0:31:39.200
<v Speaker 9>my blessing.

0:31:39.280 --> 0:31:41.440
<v Speaker 2>What's what's the lesson from that?

0:31:42.040 --> 0:31:45.920
<v Speaker 9>Well, look, the lesson is that bystanders really need to

0:31:46.080 --> 0:31:49.080
<v Speaker 9>understand that when somebody is not responding, they need to

0:31:49.120 --> 0:31:51.640
<v Speaker 9>call triple zero straight away, and if they're not breathing

0:31:51.760 --> 0:31:54.880
<v Speaker 9>normally or at all, you start CPR and you use

0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:59.480
<v Speaker 9>an AED as soon as possible, because you know, we

0:31:59.520 --> 0:32:02.240
<v Speaker 9>can look up to our hearts as much as we can,

0:32:02.800 --> 0:32:05.200
<v Speaker 9>but sometimes you just don't know what's going on inside it.

0:32:05.400 --> 0:32:07.959
<v Speaker 9>And you know, for me, yes, I had heart disease,

0:32:08.000 --> 0:32:11.280
<v Speaker 9>but I didn't know that. So you know, you can

0:32:11.320 --> 0:32:12.920
<v Speaker 9>think you're healthy, you can get all the tests done

0:32:13.080 --> 0:32:15.400
<v Speaker 9>and not be aware that there's actually something inside that

0:32:15.480 --> 0:32:19.280
<v Speaker 9>could kill you instantly. But for the grace of God,

0:32:19.800 --> 0:32:21.600
<v Speaker 9>there were people around me who knew how to do

0:32:21.760 --> 0:32:24.680
<v Speaker 9>CPR and knew how to access an AED and deliver

0:32:24.800 --> 0:32:26.040
<v Speaker 9>that shock to save my life.

0:32:26.280 --> 0:32:28.480
<v Speaker 2>So you're an advocate for all that stuff.

0:32:28.240 --> 0:32:31.760
<v Speaker 9>Now, absolutely. Yeah. Look, I started a charity called Heart

0:32:31.800 --> 0:32:34.040
<v Speaker 9>of the Nation back in twenty twenty, just a few

0:32:34.080 --> 0:32:36.760
<v Speaker 9>months after I had the cardiac arrest. So for the

0:32:36.800 --> 0:32:39.000
<v Speaker 9>past five years I've been out there advocating for people

0:32:39.080 --> 0:32:41.560
<v Speaker 9>to learn how to do CPR, but also to know

0:32:41.760 --> 0:32:43.600
<v Speaker 9>that if you have to do it, you don't need

0:32:43.680 --> 0:32:45.960
<v Speaker 9>to be qualified or certified to have a go to

0:32:46.000 --> 0:32:49.200
<v Speaker 9>try and save somebody's life, because any attempt at resuscitation

0:32:49.320 --> 0:32:52.840
<v Speaker 9>has been no attempt. And now we're actually merging with

0:32:53.000 --> 0:32:56.280
<v Speaker 9>the Heart Foundation. My little charity Heart of the Nation

0:32:56.440 --> 0:32:59.520
<v Speaker 9>is becoming a part of the National Heart Foundation, which

0:32:59.560 --> 0:33:00.320
<v Speaker 9>is a huge honor.

0:33:01.000 --> 0:33:04.040
<v Speaker 2>Now come on, we get on too, Andy, how'd you

0:33:04.080 --> 0:33:04.920
<v Speaker 2>get involved in that?

0:33:06.040 --> 0:33:10.040
<v Speaker 9>Well, look, it really came about another blessing, reven Bill.

0:33:10.360 --> 0:33:12.880
<v Speaker 9>I had wanted to do musicals for some time, and

0:33:13.000 --> 0:33:15.400
<v Speaker 9>I never knew how to get into them. And late

0:33:15.480 --> 0:33:17.560
<v Speaker 9>last year I received a call from the producers of

0:33:17.680 --> 0:33:20.400
<v Speaker 9>Annie asking me if I'd like to be in a musical.

0:33:20.440 --> 0:33:22.400
<v Speaker 9>And at that point I didn't know what the musical was.

0:33:23.080 --> 0:33:25.280
<v Speaker 9>But when they told me what it was, and when

0:33:25.280 --> 0:33:28.040
<v Speaker 9>they told me who else was in it, look, I

0:33:28.120 --> 0:33:30.480
<v Speaker 9>thought it's an opportunity too good to turn down. I

0:33:30.600 --> 0:33:32.560
<v Speaker 9>just had to say yes and give it a go

0:33:32.720 --> 0:33:35.200
<v Speaker 9>and see if I'm any good at it. And hopefully

0:33:35.240 --> 0:33:36.920
<v Speaker 9>the people that have been along so far think that

0:33:36.960 --> 0:33:38.959
<v Speaker 9>I'm okay and I do a good job. But there

0:33:39.040 --> 0:33:42.400
<v Speaker 9>is a lot of competition on stage for great voices

0:33:42.440 --> 0:33:43.000
<v Speaker 9>and great talent.

0:33:43.000 --> 0:33:45.000
<v Speaker 2>I got to you've got an all star cast. Tell

0:33:45.080 --> 0:33:45.959
<v Speaker 2>us who some of them?

0:33:46.480 --> 0:33:49.280
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, look, certainly do. The biggest star on stage is

0:33:49.360 --> 0:33:52.640
<v Speaker 9>Anthony Warlow. I mean, this guy is a legend of

0:33:53.120 --> 0:33:55.440
<v Speaker 9>musical theater, not only here in Australia, but he's performed

0:33:55.480 --> 0:33:58.040
<v Speaker 9>on Broadway. He actually did Annie on Broadway back in

0:33:58.120 --> 0:34:01.160
<v Speaker 9>twenty twelve, so I'm enjoying learning a lot from him.

0:34:01.600 --> 0:34:04.080
<v Speaker 9>But we also had the Cries act playing Miss Hannigan.

0:34:04.960 --> 0:34:10.120
<v Speaker 9>Anthony's wife, Amanda Lee Laverne is playing Grace Farrell, and

0:34:10.280 --> 0:34:13.120
<v Speaker 9>she's a Broadway performer. She spent twenty years in New

0:34:13.200 --> 0:34:16.000
<v Speaker 9>York performing on Broadway, and so she's bringing what she

0:34:16.200 --> 0:34:19.400
<v Speaker 9>knows about Broadway to Australia, which is really fascinating. It

0:34:19.560 --> 0:34:22.200
<v Speaker 9>really is a great musical. There's so much to love

0:34:22.280 --> 0:34:22.640
<v Speaker 9>about it.

0:34:23.040 --> 0:34:24.720
<v Speaker 2>Are you having much fun playing Fdr?

0:34:26.040 --> 0:34:26.239
<v Speaker 16>Yes?

0:34:26.320 --> 0:34:26.600
<v Speaker 2>I am.

0:34:26.760 --> 0:34:28.320
<v Speaker 9>And I got to tell you one reason why I

0:34:28.360 --> 0:34:31.360
<v Speaker 9>took the job was because FDR was in a wheelchair.

0:34:31.640 --> 0:34:34.680
<v Speaker 9>He had polio, and so I get to get pushed

0:34:34.680 --> 0:34:37.720
<v Speaker 9>around on stage in a wheelchair all night while everybody

0:34:37.719 --> 0:34:40.600
<v Speaker 9>else is dancing and singing and cavorting around. I just

0:34:40.640 --> 0:34:42.719
<v Speaker 9>get pushed around and I don't have to worry about

0:34:42.719 --> 0:34:44.920
<v Speaker 9>where I've got to be because somebody's pushing the wheelchair

0:34:44.960 --> 0:34:45.160
<v Speaker 9>for me.

0:34:45.320 --> 0:34:48.280
<v Speaker 2>So what do you put down to Annie's enduring success

0:34:48.400 --> 0:34:49.399
<v Speaker 2>over all these years?

0:34:50.200 --> 0:34:53.400
<v Speaker 9>Look, I think that really is the story of optimism

0:34:53.600 --> 0:34:56.640
<v Speaker 9>and hope. Everybody knows that song The sun will come

0:34:56.760 --> 0:34:59.640
<v Speaker 9>now to marrowl so you got to hang on till.

0:35:00.760 --> 0:35:05.000
<v Speaker 9>It's a beautiful song. But message is that tomorrow nobody

0:35:05.080 --> 0:35:07.840
<v Speaker 9>knows what's going to happen. Tomorrow. It might be raining

0:35:07.920 --> 0:35:10.279
<v Speaker 9>and cloudy today, but tomorrow the sun will come out

0:35:10.360 --> 0:35:13.120
<v Speaker 9>and everything looks different. And I think that's such a

0:35:13.200 --> 0:35:16.120
<v Speaker 9>great message for anybody in life. I mean, we all

0:35:16.200 --> 0:35:18.640
<v Speaker 9>get dealt bad cards from time to time in life,

0:35:18.920 --> 0:35:21.440
<v Speaker 9>and it's how we play those cards. And you know

0:35:21.520 --> 0:35:23.839
<v Speaker 9>whether the sun is shining on us as we play

0:35:23.920 --> 0:35:26.759
<v Speaker 9>those cards in life as to how things might turn out.

0:35:26.840 --> 0:35:29.600
<v Speaker 9>I think if we always approach life with optimism, then

0:35:29.640 --> 0:35:31.400
<v Speaker 9>you're always looking at a glass that's half full and

0:35:31.480 --> 0:35:32.120
<v Speaker 9>not half empty.

0:35:32.239 --> 0:35:34.680
<v Speaker 2>Because you guys have got big shoes to fill, haven't

0:35:34.680 --> 0:35:38.920
<v Speaker 2>you got Jill Perriman, Hayes Gordon, Kevin Johnston, Nancy Hayes.

0:35:40.719 --> 0:35:41.600
<v Speaker 16>Yeah, look, it did.

0:35:42.080 --> 0:35:44.239
<v Speaker 9>The show started here in Australia back and I think

0:35:44.280 --> 0:35:46.320
<v Speaker 9>it was nineteen seventy nine or something like that, with

0:35:46.440 --> 0:35:51.359
<v Speaker 9>those stars playing those characters, those much beloved characters. So yeah,

0:35:51.360 --> 0:35:53.279
<v Speaker 9>we do have big shoes to fill. It's a show

0:35:53.360 --> 0:35:56.320
<v Speaker 9>that a lot of people know, either through the movie

0:35:56.600 --> 0:35:59.040
<v Speaker 9>Annie that came out in the eighties or through seeing

0:35:59.080 --> 0:36:01.719
<v Speaker 9>it on stage over many years here in Australia. So

0:36:01.840 --> 0:36:03.960
<v Speaker 9>it's well known and there is a lot of pressure

0:36:04.000 --> 0:36:06.319
<v Speaker 9>to deliver the goods. So you have to make sure

0:36:06.360 --> 0:36:08.520
<v Speaker 9>that I have to make sure that you're on the

0:36:08.560 --> 0:36:09.279
<v Speaker 9>money every night.

0:36:09.560 --> 0:36:11.400
<v Speaker 2>So it's an updated production, isn't it.

0:36:12.160 --> 0:36:14.160
<v Speaker 9>It is, yes, so people might have seen it before,

0:36:14.239 --> 0:36:17.840
<v Speaker 9>but it is updated and hopefully people come along and

0:36:17.920 --> 0:36:20.040
<v Speaker 9>think that the guy that's playing the president doesn't look

0:36:20.080 --> 0:36:22.799
<v Speaker 9>too old, not outdated.

0:36:23.440 --> 0:36:26.640
<v Speaker 2>Now Annie's coming to Sydney's Capital Theater for a few

0:36:26.719 --> 0:36:28.040
<v Speaker 2>more weeks and where to next.

0:36:28.680 --> 0:36:30.319
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, So we've been here in Sydney for a couple

0:36:30.360 --> 0:36:32.040
<v Speaker 9>of months now, We've got three weeks left, so if

0:36:32.080 --> 0:36:33.920
<v Speaker 9>you still want to come along and see this in Sydney,

0:36:34.000 --> 0:36:36.440
<v Speaker 9>we'll be here until the twenty first of June. Then

0:36:36.560 --> 0:36:38.960
<v Speaker 9>we go to Melbourne. I'm excited about that. So we're

0:36:39.000 --> 0:36:42.560
<v Speaker 9>open in Melbourne at the Princess Theater on the tenth

0:36:42.640 --> 0:36:45.440
<v Speaker 9>of July, and then after that we go to Brisbane

0:36:45.440 --> 0:36:46.920
<v Speaker 9>at the end of the year. So look out for

0:36:47.160 --> 0:36:51.120
<v Speaker 9>Annie at those places, Melbourne and Brisbane because we really

0:36:51.160 --> 0:36:53.799
<v Speaker 9>look forward to coming to these towns bringing this spectacular

0:36:53.880 --> 0:36:55.160
<v Speaker 9>production to everybody there.

0:36:55.760 --> 0:36:58.160
<v Speaker 2>Greg Page, it is so great to talk to you tonight.

0:36:58.600 --> 0:37:01.920
<v Speaker 2>Continued success, mate, continued success night, and.

0:37:02.040 --> 0:37:03.000
<v Speaker 9>You too, Reverend Bill.

0:37:09.280 --> 0:37:15.160
<v Speaker 20>The sun come out tomorrow. Bet your bottom dollar that

0:37:15.560 --> 0:37:26.480
<v Speaker 20>tomorrow there'll be sun. Just thinking about tomorrow clears away

0:37:26.560 --> 0:37:29.000
<v Speaker 20>the cobwebs and the sorrow.

0:37:30.440 --> 0:37:31.640
<v Speaker 3>Till there's none.

0:37:33.000 --> 0:37:35.759
<v Speaker 20>When I'm stuck with the day, let's.

0:37:35.640 --> 0:37:41.400
<v Speaker 21>Great, a Lord, I just think up my chick and

0:37:42.880 --> 0:37:52.040
<v Speaker 21>and see the sun come out tomorrow.

0:37:52.840 --> 0:37:55.080
<v Speaker 20>So you gotta hang on till.

0:37:55.239 --> 0:37:58.040
<v Speaker 3>Tomorrow, come one.

0:38:00.680 --> 0:38:07.840
<v Speaker 7>To tom I love God to Mom. You're always a

0:38:08.160 --> 0:38:10.040
<v Speaker 7>day way.

0:38:26.520 --> 0:38:27.839
<v Speaker 3>And I'm stuck with that day.

0:38:28.680 --> 0:38:29.440
<v Speaker 21>That's great.

0:38:30.120 --> 0:38:32.840
<v Speaker 3>And Lord, I just stick.

0:38:32.719 --> 0:38:36.400
<v Speaker 4>Out my cheese and bread and set.

0:38:41.160 --> 0:38:46.680
<v Speaker 3>The supper tomorrow. So you've got to hang on till

0:38:49.239 --> 0:38:49.719
<v Speaker 3>come on.

0:38:52.560 --> 0:38:54.560
<v Speaker 7>Tomorrow to morn.

0:38:55.400 --> 0:38:57.359
<v Speaker 2>I love God Tomorrow.

0:38:58.200 --> 0:38:59.640
<v Speaker 7>You're always it.

0:39:32.360 --> 0:39:32.560
<v Speaker 19>You know.

0:39:32.680 --> 0:39:35.600
<v Speaker 2>They're both household names who have topped the charts and

0:39:35.719 --> 0:39:39.880
<v Speaker 2>become two of the most recognizable country music artists in Australia.

0:39:40.280 --> 0:39:44.360
<v Speaker 2>So next week Tanny Kernighan and Joseph Owen Jason Owen

0:39:44.760 --> 0:39:47.919
<v Speaker 2>join us and also coming up after the News, Dr

0:39:48.000 --> 0:39:53.080
<v Speaker 2>Tracy Westerman will be talking about a Change Direction campaign.

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<v Speaker 1>Imagine Welcome back to Sunday Night, cruise with you alreadio

0:40:36.960 --> 0:40:38.800
<v Speaker 1>reverend will cruise.

0:40:39.000 --> 0:40:42.240
<v Speaker 2>On this first day of winter. I hope you're rugged

0:40:42.320 --> 0:40:46.839
<v Speaker 2>up and warm. Welcome back, dear listener, a warm welcome back.

0:40:47.840 --> 0:40:52.000
<v Speaker 2>This hour and with National Reconciliation Week winding down, we

0:40:52.160 --> 0:40:56.360
<v Speaker 2>talk with one of Australia's leading Aboriginal psychologists, Dr Tracy

0:40:56.480 --> 0:41:01.480
<v Speaker 2>Westerman about the launch of Change Direction, a powerful new

0:41:01.600 --> 0:41:06.560
<v Speaker 2>short film which delivers the stark truth about Aboriginal suicide rates,

0:41:07.120 --> 0:41:12.239
<v Speaker 2>particularly among young people, which continue to rise. And in

0:41:12.320 --> 0:41:15.960
<v Speaker 2>the last hour we talked to critically acclaimed author Hilda

0:41:16.040 --> 0:41:20.160
<v Speaker 2>Hinton about her book The Opposite of Lonely, which deals

0:41:20.239 --> 0:41:35.399
<v Speaker 2>with loneliness, social disconnection and the power of friendship. Last

0:41:35.480 --> 0:41:38.600
<v Speaker 2>week there were tears and hope as families mourned the

0:41:38.680 --> 0:41:44.160
<v Speaker 2>Bondai stabbing victims. On inquest's final day and last Friday,

0:41:44.360 --> 0:41:48.480
<v Speaker 2>a teen was arrested in Melbourne over the Northland shopping

0:41:48.880 --> 0:41:53.080
<v Speaker 2>Center machette brawl. He had previously been found with horrifying

0:41:53.160 --> 0:41:57.920
<v Speaker 2>images of himself posing with knives, buying machetes, and graphic

0:41:58.080 --> 0:42:01.920
<v Speaker 2>video of the stabbing of another young mail. The fifteen

0:42:02.000 --> 0:42:05.160
<v Speaker 2>year old was already on four counts of bail when

0:42:05.200 --> 0:42:09.800
<v Speaker 2>he allegedly became involved in last Sunday's violent melay, sparked

0:42:09.880 --> 0:42:14.720
<v Speaker 2>by rival gang members looking at each other the wrong way. Meanwhile,

0:42:14.960 --> 0:42:20.080
<v Speaker 2>Victorian retailers are clambering to remove prohibited machetes from store

0:42:20.160 --> 0:42:23.719
<v Speaker 2>shelves as an Australian first ban on the sale of

0:42:23.760 --> 0:42:27.720
<v Speaker 2>the weapons comes into effect. The ban was fast tracked

0:42:27.800 --> 0:42:32.040
<v Speaker 2>last Monday after the terrifying weekend of knife crime and

0:42:32.239 --> 0:42:35.880
<v Speaker 2>forced as of midday last Friday. The measures imposed an

0:42:35.960 --> 0:42:39.160
<v Speaker 2>interim ban on the sale of cutting edge knives with

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<v Speaker 2>a blade longer than twenty centimeters, excluding kitchenware. So what

0:42:45.480 --> 0:42:48.560
<v Speaker 2>do you think of the Victorian government's retail machete ban?

0:42:49.400 --> 0:42:51.560
<v Speaker 2>Is it something we should be looking at in New

0:42:51.640 --> 0:42:56.160
<v Speaker 2>South Wales, Queensland and the Act? How serious is knife

0:42:56.239 --> 0:43:01.760
<v Speaker 2>and machete crime become in the community ban improve public safety.

0:43:01.800 --> 0:43:06.880
<v Speaker 2>As online access to these products remains unregulated, should the

0:43:06.960 --> 0:43:10.320
<v Speaker 2>Commonwealth step in to regulate the sale of knives and

0:43:10.440 --> 0:43:15.719
<v Speaker 2>machetes across Australia wine could a buyback scheme similar to

0:43:15.840 --> 0:43:18.600
<v Speaker 2>the gun buy back be an effective way of removing

0:43:18.640 --> 0:43:22.640
<v Speaker 2>machetes from the community. So your thoughts on a ban

0:43:22.800 --> 0:43:25.960
<v Speaker 2>on machetes and cutting edge knives with a blade longer

0:43:26.000 --> 0:43:29.240
<v Speaker 2>than twenty centimeters? Is it a good or a bad idea?

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<v Speaker 2>One three one eight seventy three. And as National Reconciliation

0:43:35.040 --> 0:43:38.440
<v Speaker 2>Week winds down for twenty twenty five, we are reminded

0:43:38.480 --> 0:43:43.200
<v Speaker 2>of Australia's shared history and our ongoing journey towards reconciliation.

0:43:44.280 --> 0:43:47.959
<v Speaker 2>It's been a time to reflect, learn and take action,

0:43:48.520 --> 0:43:52.759
<v Speaker 2>honoring the resilience, culture and achievements of Aboriginal and Torrestrate

0:43:52.880 --> 0:43:57.200
<v Speaker 2>Islander peoples. The theme this year has been bridging Now

0:43:57.400 --> 0:44:00.800
<v Speaker 2>to Next and has urged all Australians to unite in

0:44:00.920 --> 0:44:05.640
<v Speaker 2>advancing reconciliation. It has called on us to learn from

0:44:05.680 --> 0:44:09.040
<v Speaker 2>the past, take action in the present, and build a

0:44:09.120 --> 0:44:15.440
<v Speaker 2>more inclusive future. So what is National Reconciliation Week twenty

0:44:15.520 --> 0:44:19.759
<v Speaker 2>twenty five meant for you. Have you participated in any

0:44:19.920 --> 0:44:23.520
<v Speaker 2>events over the past week? How important has it been

0:44:23.880 --> 0:44:27.920
<v Speaker 2>for you to reflect, learn and take action honoring the resilience,

0:44:28.040 --> 0:44:31.680
<v Speaker 2>culture and achievements of Aboriginal and Torrestrade Island of People's

0:44:32.040 --> 0:44:36.080
<v Speaker 2>over National Reconciliation Week. What would you like to see

0:44:36.200 --> 0:44:40.640
<v Speaker 2>happen to advance reconciliation into the future. What do we

0:44:40.760 --> 0:44:44.080
<v Speaker 2>need to do to build a more inclusive future with

0:44:44.239 --> 0:44:49.400
<v Speaker 2>our Indigenous brothers and sisters and in advancing reconciliation? What

0:44:49.680 --> 0:44:53.840
<v Speaker 2>must we learn from the past and what about closing

0:44:53.920 --> 0:44:58.239
<v Speaker 2>the gap between Indigenous and non Indigenous Australians Do we

0:44:58.360 --> 0:45:03.120
<v Speaker 2>need to do more? Meanwhile, there have been community calls

0:45:03.160 --> 0:45:06.880
<v Speaker 2>for answers after another death in custody of a twenty

0:45:06.960 --> 0:45:10.600
<v Speaker 2>four year old Aboriginal man in Alice Springs. The man

0:45:10.800 --> 0:45:14.239
<v Speaker 2>was declared dead in hospital about seventy minutes after his

0:45:14.440 --> 0:45:18.800
<v Speaker 2>restrained on the ground following an altercation with security guards

0:45:18.880 --> 0:45:23.160
<v Speaker 2>at a local court Coals about one ten pm last Tuesday.

0:45:24.239 --> 0:45:28.320
<v Speaker 2>So are we doing enough to end Aboriginal deaths in custody?

0:45:29.280 --> 0:45:29.480
<v Speaker 3>How?

0:45:30.000 --> 0:45:34.439
<v Speaker 2>How can we get these numbers down? And suicide rates

0:45:34.440 --> 0:45:38.400
<v Speaker 2>among Aboriginal and Torrestrate Islander. That's First Nations people are

0:45:38.480 --> 0:45:43.839
<v Speaker 2>substantially higher than those of non Indigenous Australians. What can

0:45:43.920 --> 0:45:48.080
<v Speaker 2>be done to reduce deaths by suicide and suicide behavior

0:45:48.360 --> 0:45:52.360
<v Speaker 2>among First Nations people? And does this need to be

0:45:52.440 --> 0:45:57.560
<v Speaker 2>a public health priority for all Australian governments? And last

0:45:57.640 --> 0:46:01.920
<v Speaker 2>Monday May twenty six was National Sorry Day, which remembers

0:46:01.960 --> 0:46:05.800
<v Speaker 2>and acknowledges the mistreatment of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander

0:46:05.880 --> 0:46:09.360
<v Speaker 2>people who are forcibly removed from their families and communities,

0:46:09.760 --> 0:46:14.840
<v Speaker 2>which we now know as the Stolen Generations. So what

0:46:14.920 --> 0:46:17.520
<v Speaker 2>are we doing? Are we doing enough to help Stolen

0:46:17.600 --> 0:46:21.239
<v Speaker 2>Generation survivors? And can we all play a part in

0:46:21.320 --> 0:46:26.320
<v Speaker 2>the healing process. Today, twenty three years after the Bringing

0:46:26.400 --> 0:46:30.160
<v Speaker 2>Them Home Report and twelve years since the National Apology,

0:46:30.600 --> 0:46:34.799
<v Speaker 2>Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander children are still over ten

0:46:34.960 --> 0:46:39.200
<v Speaker 2>times more likely than non Indigenous children to be removed

0:46:39.239 --> 0:46:42.600
<v Speaker 2>from their families. What needs to be done to turn

0:46:42.680 --> 0:46:46.120
<v Speaker 2>this around? So come on, I'd like your thoughts on

0:46:46.239 --> 0:46:51.040
<v Speaker 2>National Reconciliation Week twenty twenty five and its significance to you.

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<v Speaker 2>One three, one eight seven three No Canadian singer songwriter

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<v Speaker 2>Alanis Morissette was born in Ottawa, Canada, on this day

0:47:09.239 --> 0:47:13.720
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen seventy four. She's fifty one. Her third album,

0:47:14.120 --> 0:47:17.720
<v Speaker 2>Jagged Little Pill nineteen ninety five, became the best selling

0:47:17.880 --> 0:47:21.799
<v Speaker 2>debut album by a female artist, and in twenty oh

0:47:21.920 --> 0:47:25.360
<v Speaker 2>two she made number one in Australia with the album

0:47:25.719 --> 0:47:30.040
<v Speaker 2>under Rug Swept. Her biggest hit single was Ironic in

0:47:30.239 --> 0:47:31.319
<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety six.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey no man, turn none eating You are a lottery.

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<v Speaker 16>Day.

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<v Speaker 4>The next day it's a black fly you Shirney. It's

0:48:00.600 --> 0:48:05.919
<v Speaker 4>pardon two minutes too late and it isn't an ironic,

0:48:07.520 --> 0:48:08.160
<v Speaker 4>don't you think?

0:48:09.520 --> 0:48:22.200
<v Speaker 3>It's like right there on the guy by.

0:48:24.400 --> 0:48:27.360
<v Speaker 4>The ju jumped down back and.

0:48:29.800 --> 0:48:30.279
<v Speaker 3>It's big.

0:48:32.880 --> 0:48:34.520
<v Speaker 19>Used to play safe.

0:48:35.880 --> 0:48:42.560
<v Speaker 4>Was great fly he backed to stood gas, kiss this kids, goodbye.

0:48:43.680 --> 0:48:48.640
<v Speaker 6>He really is all them life to take that flight.

0:48:49.800 --> 0:48:53.400
<v Speaker 4>There's the pain branch down fet people listen to this

0:48:53.680 --> 0:49:16.080
<v Speaker 4>size and did I runic judging It's like ready day

0:49:20.440 --> 0:49:21.480
<v Speaker 4>it figure.

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<v Speaker 10>This is funny, Yeah, I damn tarlings ay and narrowing

0:49:30.200 --> 0:49:41.400
<v Speaker 10>gas was funny. Why am I everylands gathering verything that

0:49:41.719 --> 0:49:42.040
<v Speaker 10>was up.

0:49:42.120 --> 0:49:42.879
<v Speaker 3>In your bay?

0:49:46.440 --> 0:49:49.360
<v Speaker 4>Traffic jam when you're a.

0:49:49.560 --> 0:49:54.040
<v Speaker 3>Very late and no small game side.

0:49:54.200 --> 0:49:56.240
<v Speaker 4>On your cigarette break.

0:49:57.160 --> 0:50:01.400
<v Speaker 20>It's like ten thousand fool as well, yet it is

0:50:01.480 --> 0:50:02.040
<v Speaker 20>a knife.

0:50:03.080 --> 0:50:06.040
<v Speaker 4>It's sweeting the mint my dreams and then.

0:50:06.000 --> 0:50:07.960
<v Speaker 2>Meeting his beautiful wife.

0:50:09.880 --> 0:50:16.719
<v Speaker 4>Sent it ironic, judge, think you a little too ironic?

0:50:18.320 --> 0:50:19.719
<v Speaker 4>And yeah, really do sick.

0:50:20.440 --> 0:50:21.799
<v Speaker 7>It's not grady out.

0:50:48.800 --> 0:50:57.520
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's a funny way. It's a funny funny.

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<v Speaker 2>Tom, Welcome to the show.

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<v Speaker 14>Hello mate, how are you good? Reverend? I thought you'd

0:51:15.680 --> 0:51:20.080
<v Speaker 14>be the most polite person to talk to about this subject.

0:51:20.480 --> 0:51:23.040
<v Speaker 14>I come from a Polish background.

0:51:23.280 --> 0:51:23.480
<v Speaker 9>Yep.

0:51:24.719 --> 0:51:31.840
<v Speaker 14>I'm first generation Australian. I consider myself Australian. I respect

0:51:32.000 --> 0:51:35.560
<v Speaker 14>Australia for what it was I was in. You know,

0:51:37.520 --> 0:51:41.040
<v Speaker 14>I got to bicentenary coin in nineteen eighty eight. I

0:51:41.160 --> 0:51:43.280
<v Speaker 14>still have a you know, all that sort of stuff.

0:51:44.760 --> 0:51:44.960
<v Speaker 15>You know.

0:51:45.600 --> 0:51:49.440
<v Speaker 14>I speak Polish as well as I speak you know,

0:51:49.760 --> 0:51:58.919
<v Speaker 14>English or Australian, so my grit might be with We've

0:51:59.120 --> 0:52:03.640
<v Speaker 14>been able to forgive Germany and now I'll just give

0:52:03.640 --> 0:52:06.040
<v Speaker 14>you a little bit background. My grandfather was in labor camp.

0:52:06.440 --> 0:52:16.839
<v Speaker 14>My grandmother was underground, uh Polish basically in US. We've

0:52:16.960 --> 0:52:20.880
<v Speaker 14>recently found out she is an assassin of of of

0:52:21.560 --> 0:52:28.520
<v Speaker 14>of German UH forces and stuff like that. So regardless

0:52:28.640 --> 0:52:35.640
<v Speaker 14>of this, uh, I'm very aware of it. But we're

0:52:36.320 --> 0:52:42.360
<v Speaker 14>able to forgive Germany for the atrocities that have happened,

0:52:43.239 --> 0:52:47.040
<v Speaker 14>uh in the Holocaust, the the you know, the millions

0:52:47.120 --> 0:52:53.960
<v Speaker 14>of Jews, the millions of other innocent civilians that were murdered.

0:52:54.200 --> 0:52:57.440
<v Speaker 2>It was awful, just awful life. I know, we've got

0:52:57.480 --> 0:53:01.799
<v Speaker 2>I've got some Polish refugee people in my congregation.

0:53:02.080 --> 0:53:06.040
<v Speaker 14>Yes, yeah, I mean, I mean I've been to my

0:53:06.120 --> 0:53:10.600
<v Speaker 14>grandmother's house and her walls are still peppered with the

0:53:10.719 --> 0:53:20.040
<v Speaker 14>bullet the bullets of Germans. Anyway, in in fifty years

0:53:20.320 --> 0:53:23.480
<v Speaker 14>or I'm sorry, my mass might be a little bit wrong,

0:53:23.560 --> 0:53:29.360
<v Speaker 14>seventy five years, we're able to acknowledge that Germany is

0:53:29.480 --> 0:53:33.160
<v Speaker 14>now part of our society. We're able to re establish

0:53:33.320 --> 0:53:38.320
<v Speaker 14>trade and commerce and all the normalities that would be

0:53:39.640 --> 0:53:43.560
<v Speaker 14>you know, a functional in our in our modern society.

0:53:46.080 --> 0:53:52.120
<v Speaker 14>So my objective to the conversation about our own diigenous

0:53:52.200 --> 0:53:57.040
<v Speaker 14>population is, in two hundred years, can we not build

0:53:57.120 --> 0:53:57.680
<v Speaker 14>a bridge?

0:53:58.400 --> 0:53:58.640
<v Speaker 1>Can we?

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<v Speaker 9>There?

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<v Speaker 14>There are so there are so many, there are so

0:54:02.320 --> 0:54:08.040
<v Speaker 14>many you know, olive branches in terms of our you know,

0:54:08.560 --> 0:54:12.719
<v Speaker 14>you know, giving to you know, certain populations, and you know,

0:54:13.920 --> 0:54:18.880
<v Speaker 14>and I totally acknowledge that, you know, you know, they

0:54:19.000 --> 0:54:25.520
<v Speaker 14>may feel deeply disheartened by you know, the past that

0:54:25.600 --> 0:54:30.600
<v Speaker 14>it has happened. But also with our education and our

0:54:31.280 --> 0:54:35.120
<v Speaker 14>and our you know, modern society. Can we can we

0:54:35.320 --> 0:54:40.640
<v Speaker 14>not see that that's not an affliction of our modern

0:54:40.680 --> 0:54:46.279
<v Speaker 14>day people like where we're here, a multiculture nation from

0:54:46.360 --> 0:54:47.680
<v Speaker 14>many parts of the world.

0:54:48.600 --> 0:54:48.759
<v Speaker 15>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, But in a way, Tom, in a way we

0:54:52.320 --> 0:54:57.239
<v Speaker 2>haven't come to grips with our history. We we we

0:54:57.440 --> 0:55:02.680
<v Speaker 2>haven't that the original people we just moved in, shot

0:55:02.760 --> 0:55:06.040
<v Speaker 2>them and poisoned them and pushed them into corners and

0:55:06.160 --> 0:55:09.400
<v Speaker 2>things like that, you know, so that they have to

0:55:09.560 --> 0:55:12.000
<v Speaker 2>tell their story of what it was like to be

0:55:12.200 --> 0:55:12.759
<v Speaker 2>one of them.

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<v Speaker 14>Absolutely, and but.

0:55:15.520 --> 0:55:16.200
<v Speaker 15>I beg that this.

0:55:17.480 --> 0:55:22.520
<v Speaker 14>You know, we we hold many ceremonious occasions where you know,

0:55:22.640 --> 0:55:26.160
<v Speaker 14>we have days that are entitled to indigenous rights, yes,

0:55:26.320 --> 0:55:30.840
<v Speaker 14>and also we have you know, the appeals of our government.

0:55:32.680 --> 0:55:39.560
<v Speaker 14>When I say government, you know, I don't really you know,

0:55:40.120 --> 0:55:42.680
<v Speaker 14>it's it's tough to see when you when you see

0:55:42.719 --> 0:55:46.840
<v Speaker 14>Kevin Rudd saying I'm sorry, I see that as a

0:55:47.239 --> 0:55:50.600
<v Speaker 14>political you know a little you know, a bit of

0:55:50.680 --> 0:55:53.920
<v Speaker 14>a grab at a at a you know, at something

0:55:54.080 --> 0:55:57.080
<v Speaker 14>just to make himself a little bit you know, appeal,

0:55:57.440 --> 0:55:59.240
<v Speaker 14>you know, and and all that sort of stuff.

0:55:59.320 --> 0:56:04.000
<v Speaker 2>But well, what would make it real to What would

0:56:04.080 --> 0:56:06.600
<v Speaker 2>make it real to you? That's what I want to ask,

0:56:06.840 --> 0:56:08.360
<v Speaker 2>What would make it real to you?

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<v Speaker 14>Well, I think, well, we have many Aboriginal people that

0:56:13.680 --> 0:56:18.439
<v Speaker 14>are that are you know, hold hold the flame high

0:56:18.640 --> 0:56:23.920
<v Speaker 14>for you know, reconciliation and and and and moving forward.

0:56:24.400 --> 0:56:27.520
<v Speaker 14>Although at the same time we have a lot of

0:56:28.280 --> 0:56:32.920
<v Speaker 14>we have a lot of I guess societies in our

0:56:33.400 --> 0:56:39.120
<v Speaker 14>out back areas like Burke I know that's that's that's

0:56:39.200 --> 0:56:43.400
<v Speaker 14>one place which is is terrible for crime and you know,

0:56:44.360 --> 0:56:48.719
<v Speaker 14>you know, yes, and it is largely affiliated with our

0:56:48.800 --> 0:56:54.600
<v Speaker 14>indigenous population. And why would that be Well, I would

0:56:54.680 --> 0:56:56.640
<v Speaker 14>say it's it's it's about education.

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<v Speaker 12>It's well, why aren't we doing.

0:57:01.080 --> 0:57:01.279
<v Speaker 15>To me?

0:57:01.840 --> 0:57:05.719
<v Speaker 14>To me, it seems like, you know, their fathers, their

0:57:05.800 --> 0:57:13.160
<v Speaker 14>mothers told them a story or or you know, and

0:57:13.440 --> 0:57:15.160
<v Speaker 14>and they're following through with.

0:57:16.280 --> 0:57:17.440
<v Speaker 15>With that.

0:57:19.240 --> 0:57:19.880
<v Speaker 14>That element.

0:57:20.080 --> 0:57:22.200
<v Speaker 2>What do you mean their fathers or mothers told them

0:57:22.200 --> 0:57:23.000
<v Speaker 2>a story mate?

0:57:23.480 --> 0:57:25.800
<v Speaker 14>Well, I mean like, okay, so.

0:57:28.160 --> 0:57:29.840
<v Speaker 12>So a narrative.

0:57:29.880 --> 0:57:34.240
<v Speaker 14>Perhaps they've becadd in a narrative to them. Okay, and

0:57:34.400 --> 0:57:39.560
<v Speaker 14>I mean we're all affiliate. We all know what early

0:57:39.760 --> 0:57:42.760
<v Speaker 14>education does to us. It either points us in one

0:57:42.800 --> 0:57:46.200
<v Speaker 14>way or or another way. I mean there may be

0:57:46.320 --> 0:57:53.680
<v Speaker 14>many stories, you know where you can see you know, disparage,

0:57:55.000 --> 0:58:02.120
<v Speaker 14>you know, poor populations pointed to you know, whether it

0:58:02.280 --> 0:58:07.040
<v Speaker 14>be you know, post nineteen eighty two New York, you

0:58:07.120 --> 0:58:16.160
<v Speaker 14>know Black American society. You know, given a whatever they

0:58:16.360 --> 0:58:24.520
<v Speaker 14>whatether they say, a baby bonus, sorry for and that

0:58:24.680 --> 0:58:29.280
<v Speaker 14>money is spent on TV instead of education, and the

0:58:29.440 --> 0:58:34.320
<v Speaker 14>kids are put out on the street. And then you know,

0:58:34.600 --> 0:58:37.960
<v Speaker 14>eighteen years later there's a massive spiking crime. You know,

0:58:38.080 --> 0:58:43.240
<v Speaker 14>whether it be that or you know, you know Iraq,

0:58:43.840 --> 0:58:46.480
<v Speaker 14>or or you know the stories that are told to

0:58:46.840 --> 0:58:49.640
<v Speaker 14>those children. You know that the Americans or the you know,

0:58:49.760 --> 0:58:54.640
<v Speaker 14>the Greater West are horrible. You know, Like what I'm

0:58:54.640 --> 0:58:59.160
<v Speaker 14>saying is that there should be a bridge that buy

0:58:59.400 --> 0:59:05.120
<v Speaker 14>in two of the years should have been gapped. You know,

0:59:05.640 --> 0:59:09.240
<v Speaker 14>we we all in the nineteen fifties, we all hated

0:59:09.280 --> 0:59:12.200
<v Speaker 14>the Japanese for example, you know, for what they did

0:59:12.280 --> 0:59:15.680
<v Speaker 14>to you know, Pearl Harbor, or what they what they

0:59:16.040 --> 0:59:20.880
<v Speaker 14>did to you know, you know, they they penetrated Darwin

0:59:21.040 --> 0:59:24.560
<v Speaker 14>and bombed us, you know, like, but we were able

0:59:24.680 --> 0:59:26.960
<v Speaker 14>to build this bridge, right.

0:59:27.280 --> 0:59:31.160
<v Speaker 2>So well, let's get onto it. Tom, Let's get onto

0:59:31.280 --> 0:59:34.360
<v Speaker 2>building this bridge. That's that's what I'm taking from what

0:59:34.520 --> 0:59:37.520
<v Speaker 2>you've said, and it's so true. Let's build this bridge.

0:59:37.920 --> 0:59:40.160
<v Speaker 2>How do we build the bridge? Everyone? I'd love to

0:59:40.200 --> 0:59:44.440
<v Speaker 2>get your mess ideas on that on one three one

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<v Speaker 2>eight seven three.

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Sunday Night crews.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi Rowan, Welcome to the show.

0:59:56.800 --> 1:00:00.880
<v Speaker 12>Thank you very much, Bill and Mike. Can I just

1:00:01.000 --> 1:00:07.760
<v Speaker 12>say on in my sixties now? So yeah, I'm getting there.

1:00:08.240 --> 1:00:11.880
<v Speaker 12>But I've worked all across the country in the in

1:00:12.040 --> 1:00:15.560
<v Speaker 12>the middle of the desert and in the remote regions

1:00:15.640 --> 1:00:19.920
<v Speaker 12>and everything, and I've worked with the most beautiful and

1:00:20.040 --> 1:00:24.040
<v Speaker 12>the worst Harbor originals that you can imagine, and I

1:00:24.960 --> 1:00:29.160
<v Speaker 12>loved them. I think it's just amazing people. And I

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<v Speaker 12>think they misunderstood. But my point is, we built the city,

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<v Speaker 12>have a bridge, and we've always got this divide. We've

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<v Speaker 12>got this like we've going to bridge the gap and

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<v Speaker 12>everything else. So we've done all these things and we've

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<v Speaker 12>thrown billions of dollars over the years to the Aboriginal

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<v Speaker 12>cause and everything else. And you know what, in my opinion, mate,

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<v Speaker 12>what we don't need is billions of dollars or I

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<v Speaker 12>think we stand up money the originally meet in the

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<v Speaker 12>middle and just talk and say, well, what do you want?

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<v Speaker 14>What do we want?

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<v Speaker 12>And yep, we've made bad mistakes in the laws and

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<v Speaker 12>and we've you know, we we were good to you people,

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<v Speaker 12>and we weren't really good to you know, but you

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<v Speaker 12>also stabbed Captain Cook. So you know, well, we'll got

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<v Speaker 12>we've got anything.

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<v Speaker 2>It's called truth. That's what it's trying to happen.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, and that's what I think needs to happen. Doesn't

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<v Speaker 12>need money, It doesn't need politics, it doesn't need a

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<v Speaker 12>promise that say sorry or we'll go to the country

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<v Speaker 12>any It needs to meet in the middle and just

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<v Speaker 12>go right, I will here are your chief and also

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<v Speaker 12>not bad but and then we'll say what are you

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<v Speaker 12>what do you want? Let's just live in harmony.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the most moving times in my life, or

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<v Speaker 2>some of the most moving times were in the old

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<v Speaker 2>redfin where on the block. Ever in the winter's like this,

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<v Speaker 2>they'd have a big fire, a big fire, and everybody

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<v Speaker 2>had come out and sit around the fire, and you

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<v Speaker 2>could sit around with the indigenous people and just talk

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<v Speaker 2>and it'd be Bill and George or whatever whatever, whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>and they'd talk, and the mothers had come and they'd

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<v Speaker 2>all share and we'd talk and they'd talk about how

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<v Speaker 2>the government people used to come and take their children

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<v Speaker 2>and they'd cry and all this. And it was the

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<v Speaker 2>most moving time for me just to sit there and

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<v Speaker 2>feel the pain and feel the suffering and feel the

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<v Speaker 2>struggles that people had, and just to sit and share

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<v Speaker 2>and just people to people. And I found so many

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<v Speaker 2>of the Indigenous people had got above above the anger

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<v Speaker 2>at what had happened, and we're reaching out and what

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<v Speaker 2>we've got to do is more of that. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>one of the reasons I'm all supportive of the truth

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<v Speaker 2>telling things that that governments are trying to set up

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<v Speaker 2>now and just have a whole, big truth so it

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<v Speaker 2>all comes out, the whole lot, The whole lot comes out,

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<v Speaker 2>so everybody knows. That's my bit ron.

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<v Speaker 12>You will build it. You're still there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm still here.

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<v Speaker 22>You will.

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<v Speaker 19>You know.

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<v Speaker 12>I love of it. You're the most you're on the

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<v Speaker 12>mostly sorry repeating, but the fact that you do, you

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<v Speaker 12>have You've gone and sat at the block, and you've

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<v Speaker 12>gone and sat.

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<v Speaker 23>At your place where your restaurant is in ordinary and

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<v Speaker 23>you know you've done it all Bill, and you do

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<v Speaker 23>it because you believe in your love.

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<v Speaker 12>And that's something I've learned over the years. I've heard

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<v Speaker 12>a lot of people, so I'm going to do this,

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<v Speaker 12>I'm going to do that. And you're someone that has

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<v Speaker 12>done this and done exactly what you said you're going

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<v Speaker 12>to do? Why and mate, I don't. I will show

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<v Speaker 12>something else in I don't have any religious belief and

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<v Speaker 12>I don't. I'm not, you know, I'm just sort of

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<v Speaker 12>I suppose an atheist, I guess. But I love everything

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<v Speaker 12>you do because I know you're an amazing man publishing.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for calling you. Thank you. With National Reconciliation

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<v Speaker 2>Week winding up for another year, I wanted to highlight

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<v Speaker 2>a timely and powerful new short film, Change Direction, which

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<v Speaker 2>delivers a stark truth Aboriginal suicide rates, particularly among young people,

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<v Speaker 2>continue to rise on the and on the line to

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<v Speaker 2>tell us about that. The film and the campaign that's

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<v Speaker 2>built around it is one of Australia's leading Aboriginal psychologists.

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<v Speaker 2>Dr Tracy Westerman, Hi, Tracy.

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<v Speaker 22>Oh, Thank you so much for having you on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, it's a pleasure, it really is. Now the campaign

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<v Speaker 2>goes beyond awareness, isn't it. It's a call to action

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<v Speaker 2>to support the Western and Julia Institute. Tell us about

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<v Speaker 2>the institute and your role in it.

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<v Speaker 22>Yeah, okay, So I volunteer in Julia and I actually

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<v Speaker 22>started the Junior Institute. I guess out of frustration with

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<v Speaker 22>the lack of government action on Indigenous child suicides. And

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<v Speaker 22>for the listeners that don't understand the context here is

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<v Speaker 22>that in Western Australia, in my own home state, we've

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<v Speaker 22>had four government inquiries into Indigenous suicides, mostly around the Kimbley,

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<v Speaker 22>and when I started the scholarship, it was really looking

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<v Speaker 22>at those four inquiries. The last one was thirteen beautiful

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<v Speaker 22>young Indigenous young people took their own lives from the

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<v Speaker 22>Kimberley and when I read the reports, they all concluded

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<v Speaker 22>pretty much the same thing, and that was that children

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<v Speaker 22>were literally dying due to a lack of access to

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<v Speaker 22>culturally competent services. And I guess on the complex treatment side,

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<v Speaker 22>so I just went it looked like and fix this.

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<v Speaker 22>I'm a psychologist, I'm an Indigenous one, and from a

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<v Speaker 22>remote community. I self funded the doctor Tracy Westerman Indigenous

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<v Speaker 22>Psychology Scholarship Program, not really thinking, to be honest with all,

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<v Speaker 22>that it was going to grow to the exists as

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<v Speaker 22>I thought I'd probably fund one scholarship and that would

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<v Speaker 22>be it, But Australia sort of had other ideas, and

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<v Speaker 22>now we're actually funding sixty four, most of whom I've

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<v Speaker 22>now graduated. So the Change Direction film, the great part

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<v Speaker 22>of it is that it literally gives people something to do.

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<v Speaker 22>Often you see campaigns and people go, Okay, that's good.

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<v Speaker 15>What do we now do?

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<v Speaker 22>The institute is sorry, you'll figure.

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<v Speaker 2>So what does your director Change Direction campaign do?

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<v Speaker 22>And basically what it does is it takes people into

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<v Speaker 22>a reality and I think for a lot of people,

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<v Speaker 22>sadly they don't really understand relate to the experiences of

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<v Speaker 22>Indigenous people in the country. So the film just very

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<v Speaker 22>beautifully takes people on our journey. And so essentially what

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<v Speaker 22>we're doing is really inviting Australia into what starts off

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<v Speaker 22>as a painful journey. But I guess most people who

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<v Speaker 22>have seen the film, you don't really predict the change

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<v Speaker 22>and so what's really lovely about it as you take

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<v Speaker 22>people into that pain, but also get them to understand

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<v Speaker 22>when you actually do have that help, that you can

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<v Speaker 22>actually get out of it as well.

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<v Speaker 2>So in a way, the film follows the whole process.

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<v Speaker 22>Yeah. Absolutely, And to be honest, when I first watched it,

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<v Speaker 22>I didn't predict what was coming because it's so clever

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<v Speaker 22>and it's just so brilliantly done.

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<v Speaker 15>It's literally a.

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<v Speaker 22>Poem that goes into dark spaces and then literally you

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<v Speaker 22>start reading it backwards and the actor is amazing for

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<v Speaker 22>Drea Jackson, it just goes backwards and then things start

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<v Speaker 22>to lighten. But what it's actually about, obviously, is about

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<v Speaker 22>the answers being in culturally competent services and that's what

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<v Speaker 22>we're always known there.

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<v Speaker 2>You wrote the poem featured in the film, so.

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<v Speaker 22>Tell us about No, I didn't write it, which I'd

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<v Speaker 22>love to take credit for a beautiful pode of fearer

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<v Speaker 22>who's done.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell us a bit about it.

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<v Speaker 22>Yeah, So essentially what it does is it goes into

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<v Speaker 22>the beautiful actor to Drea Jackson, who essentially goes into

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<v Speaker 22>some dark places and says, look, my country tells me

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<v Speaker 22>that I'm invisible. And it's very negative and it actually

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<v Speaker 22>explains I guess what it's like to feel that way,

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<v Speaker 22>to feel as if there's no hope, and then suddenly

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<v Speaker 22>halfway through its switches and it literally goes backwards into

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<v Speaker 22>hope and light and that there are people that care

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<v Speaker 22>and I can actually change this in me. And so

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<v Speaker 22>it really is I guess a visceral experience bill that

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<v Speaker 22>you go into this feeling of what it would feel

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<v Speaker 22>like and then literally it changes to go backwards and

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<v Speaker 22>you feel like there is actually hope at the end

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<v Speaker 22>of it, which.

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<v Speaker 9>Is just very brilliant.

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<v Speaker 22>Actually.

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<v Speaker 2>So where was the film shot.

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<v Speaker 22>I think it was in Adelaide. That was done by

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<v Speaker 22>the wonderful Warwick the Wanton, who of course you know,

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<v Speaker 22>has become incredibly famous and of course you know, from

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<v Speaker 22>a remote community himself, so he had a passion to

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<v Speaker 22>do something about indigenous suicides. And then Jackson Long, who

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<v Speaker 22>was the creative person behind it, literally spent twenty months

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<v Speaker 22>banging down doors. So he's just been incredible in terms

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<v Speaker 22>of his will to do something about it. And then

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<v Speaker 22>I sort of came along when they heard of my

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<v Speaker 22>work because they were looking at someone like an organization

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<v Speaker 22>to donate whatever money they raised from it.

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<v Speaker 15>And it became.

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<v Speaker 22>Very old, it became very obvious that there was a

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<v Speaker 22>really good synergy there in terms of getting people something

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<v Speaker 22>very clear that they could do.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, what statistics can you provide us about the unacceptable

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<v Speaker 2>rates of Indigenous suicide.

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<v Speaker 22>Yeah, it's kind of heartbreaking. And I guess the thing

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<v Speaker 22>that you know is the statistic that probably separates arguably

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<v Speaker 22>Australia from all other developed countries is the age at

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<v Speaker 22>which our young people are take in their lives. So

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<v Speaker 22>it's really for Indigenous children, we have a six times

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<v Speaker 22>the likelihood of dying by suicide and non Indigenous children.

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<v Speaker 22>And a statistic that's probably the most sobering and heartbreaking

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<v Speaker 22>is that every time an Indigenous child dies in this country,

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<v Speaker 22>forty percent of them will do so by suicide. And

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<v Speaker 22>I've said this many times. Children's suicide just does not

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<v Speaker 22>belong in a center.

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<v Speaker 9>Age.

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<v Speaker 22>Yeah, it's kind of I guess when you're getting into

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<v Speaker 22>those teenage years, you're sort of getting I mean, obviously heartbreaking.

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<v Speaker 22>We we've had suicides of children as young as ten,

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<v Speaker 22>but when you're getting in those teenage years around thirteen

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<v Speaker 22>to fifteen, then the statistics get even worse. So we

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<v Speaker 22>are looking at that you know that particularly particular vulnerability

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<v Speaker 22>around the teenage years.

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<v Speaker 2>Traca, What do you want Australians to do when they

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<v Speaker 2>see the film or visit the website? What outcomes are

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<v Speaker 2>you looking for?

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<v Speaker 22>Oh, it's a really easy one. I mean, this is

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<v Speaker 22>probably the easiest from campaign in that we are already

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<v Speaker 22>taking care of this. We put a hand up. We

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<v Speaker 22>don't have any federal government funding. I volunteer every single day.

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<v Speaker 22>I'll never take awage from Juliette. They've registered charity. We've

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<v Speaker 22>had our students graduate at eighty percent compared to twenty

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<v Speaker 22>percent for heavily funded universities. And they're coming from our springs,

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<v Speaker 22>the Kimberly, They're coming from the highest risk communities. Seventy

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<v Speaker 22>percent of them first in their families to go to university.

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<v Speaker 22>So we're literally making people who would never have had

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<v Speaker 22>hope in their lives become psychologists. So it's an incredible program.

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<v Speaker 22>And so literally all you have to do is donate

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<v Speaker 22>every dollars tax deductible, and we're putting our hands up

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<v Speaker 22>for it. It seemed quite simply we are saying we've

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<v Speaker 22>got this. We're happy to take on the most complex

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<v Speaker 22>issues in Australia. You just literally have to get behind

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<v Speaker 22>us and know that every single dollar goes to putting

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<v Speaker 22>another indigenous psychologists in the remote community.

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<v Speaker 2>So what can we do, Tracy, as every day Australian,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not just as part of Reconciliation Week, but throughout

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<v Speaker 2>the year. What can we do to make a difference

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<v Speaker 2>on this issue?

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<v Speaker 22>Yeah, I guess the answer to that is that just

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<v Speaker 22>for real public attention tool, we find it really difficult

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<v Speaker 22>and it's great to be on shows like this, we

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<v Speaker 22>find it really difficult for anyone to pay attention to

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<v Speaker 22>this crisis. And as someone who spent my life on this,

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<v Speaker 22>you know, it is actually really difficult to get media

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<v Speaker 22>to pay attention to this. And of course we rely

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<v Speaker 22>on the media to explain to people while we have

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<v Speaker 22>such heartbreaking rates of suicide and and to get that

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<v Speaker 22>message out that these are Australia's children and we should

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<v Speaker 22>all be affected by the equally, and to just pay

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<v Speaker 22>attention and just just get involved.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, but you've got to do a bit more than

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<v Speaker 2>just raise a winness, haven't you, Because White Ribbon Campaign

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<v Speaker 2>and all of those try to do that as well.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got to get people to do something as well,

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<v Speaker 2>haven't you.

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<v Speaker 22>Yeah, And I guess that's where the Jilliar Institute comes in.

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<v Speaker 22>That I've had, you know, lots so do lots of

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<v Speaker 22>public presentations, and so many people have come up to

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<v Speaker 22>me and said just that that we've never known what

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<v Speaker 22>to do, and this actually gives us something to do

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<v Speaker 22>that we can donate money, and we know that this

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<v Speaker 22>is actually going to changing generational trauma, generational risk in

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<v Speaker 22>our highest risk communities, like our springs, you know, like Derby,

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<v Speaker 22>like you know, Mount Eyes a Plate. We've got psychologists

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<v Speaker 22>coming from those communities who ultimately will stay there, and

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<v Speaker 22>we're skills building from the ground up. So this is

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<v Speaker 22>really going to achieve massive change, or it already is

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<v Speaker 22>achieving massive change in the country.

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<v Speaker 2>So it kind of alignes with and complements existing government

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<v Speaker 2>mental health programs.

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<v Speaker 22>Yeah, it does. However, you know, Julia is kind of

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<v Speaker 22>not beyond is outside of government. We have no government

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<v Speaker 22>funding for what we do, and I think that's actually

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<v Speaker 22>a good thing because we are truly grassed for its activism.

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<v Speaker 22>We are truly about getting business as usual isn't solving

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<v Speaker 22>this crisis. So what we need to do, we're quite

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<v Speaker 22>on orthodox we, for example, students pick students who regularly

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<v Speaker 22>reject students that have distinctions, So I don't pick students

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<v Speaker 22>who will get there anyway. I'll pick students based on

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<v Speaker 22>how many more gaps they have to close. So we're

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<v Speaker 22>getting the most disadvantaged. But what that means is that

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<v Speaker 22>likeels never leave right.

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<v Speaker 9>Yes, so they yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So if any of our listeners would like to know more,

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<v Speaker 2>or I view the film change Direction, what should they do?

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<v Speaker 22>They just get onto www dot change direction literally and

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<v Speaker 22>you can see that there. You can also, you know,

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<v Speaker 22>if we would be massively grateful if people would donate

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<v Speaker 22>some of their dollars, and bearing in mind that no

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<v Speaker 22>public donations, one hundred percent of public donations go directly

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<v Speaker 22>to our scholarship program. Nothing goes on paying you know,

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<v Speaker 22>you know, admin or salaries. That's why I work for free,

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<v Speaker 22>so to make sure that every cent goes directly into

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<v Speaker 22>getting another Indigenous psychologist in a remote community.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, before I let you go, how happy if you've

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<v Speaker 2>been with the way National Reconcilient Reconciliation Week has gone

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<v Speaker 2>in general?

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<v Speaker 22>Look interesting enough. I was interviewed a couple of weeks

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<v Speaker 22>ago on ABC, and I said, I think had without

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<v Speaker 22>getting into the politic will have to get into the

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<v Speaker 22>politics of I guess the election for a lot of

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<v Speaker 22>Aboriginal people has been almost like a moral victory, and

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<v Speaker 22>because we're sort of heading down a path of you know,

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<v Speaker 22>a lot of negativity in terms of Indigenous issues, particularly

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<v Speaker 22>after the referendum, and I think a lot of Australians

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<v Speaker 22>probably you know, probably had really be honest, not a

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<v Speaker 22>really good sense of what they're no vide actually meant.

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<v Speaker 22>And so I think, you know, the rejection of what

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<v Speaker 22>dare I say, the right wing rash wreck around, you know,

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<v Speaker 22>people being really negative about welcome to country, and you know,

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<v Speaker 22>the attacks on Indigenous organizations and so forth. Certainly the

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<v Speaker 22>Indigenous people that I interact with all day every day,

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<v Speaker 22>and there's thousands of them than I do, there's been

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<v Speaker 22>a sense of people can breathe now, and I think now,

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<v Speaker 22>I pray would have given a different answer four weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 22>But I think, you know the fact that Australia has

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<v Speaker 22>repudiated you know that real negative in negativity and right

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<v Speaker 22>wing approach to Indigenous issues has certainly helped significantly.

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<v Speaker 2>One of Australia's leading Aboriginal psychologists, Dr Tracy Westerman, thanks

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<v Speaker 2>so much and God bless you, Tracy. God Bill grus

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<v Speaker 2>on Sunday Night, Gary, Welcome to the show.

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<v Speaker 9>Hey, doing good.

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<v Speaker 15>About the knife crime. I just it's out of control, mate,

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<v Speaker 15>Like I'm nearly sixty. In the eighties, when I was

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<v Speaker 15>a kid, there was none of this.

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<v Speaker 2>I was looking after homeless kids in the eighties, Gary,

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<v Speaker 2>and lots of them had knives, yeah, but there wasn't.

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<v Speaker 15>The stabbings like you see today on the news. Mate.

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<v Speaker 15>There's one every day sometimes too. That didn't happen. And

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<v Speaker 15>we used to fight on the streets, mate, and there

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<v Speaker 15>was a fight with fists, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 15>or a gang against the gang. Now, no one was

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<v Speaker 15>running around with machetes. It didn't happen. You might have

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<v Speaker 15>had one here and there, someone getting stabbed up across

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<v Speaker 15>or something like that, but it's not right now. The

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<v Speaker 15>young gangs, every gang, every gang, someone's got a knife

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<v Speaker 15>on them, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you see any gangs, Yeah, you see them all

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<v Speaker 2>the time.

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<v Speaker 15>But there never used to be a lot of gangs.

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<v Speaker 15>There wasn't a lot of gangs in the eighties. You

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<v Speaker 15>had the sharpies and that and the skinheads in the

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<v Speaker 15>sixties and the seventies. Yeah, but the eighties and the

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<v Speaker 15>nineties there was there wasn't many gangs, not like there

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<v Speaker 15>is now. And a lot of it's to do with

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<v Speaker 15>Molti culturalism.

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<v Speaker 20>Mate.

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<v Speaker 15>You've got the Islanders, they've got their gangs, nothing against it,

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<v Speaker 15>they want to have them. You've got the Lebanese, they've

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<v Speaker 15>got their gangs. You got the Ossies, everyone's got a gang.

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<v Speaker 2>You had the Irish and they had their gangs. You

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<v Speaker 2>had the Catholics, the Anglicans.

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<v Speaker 15>Yeah, but they in what they say on TV, let's

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<v Speaker 15>get a gang, you know, like the crips and the

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<v Speaker 15>bloods and stuff like that. It's just ridiculous and there's

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<v Speaker 15>no penalty for nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>Anything, So what would you do about it?

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<v Speaker 15>The first thing you have to do is build a

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<v Speaker 15>couple of jails so you could fit the people in,

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<v Speaker 15>because people are just getting.

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<v Speaker 2>Off and how does that, how does that stop it?

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<v Speaker 2>How does that stop it happening?

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<v Speaker 15>It gets them off the street for starters.

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<v Speaker 2>And but then, like from your from your descriptions, won't

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<v Speaker 2>there just be more? Don't they be followed up by

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<v Speaker 2>other people?

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<v Speaker 15>Not if the penalties are harsh, Mate, the penalty should

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<v Speaker 15>be straight away. You got a knife on you on

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<v Speaker 15>the street. Why you got a knife on you on

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<v Speaker 15>the street? Why are you cane machette? Two years? You

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<v Speaker 15>got two years for that. Do you want to stab

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<v Speaker 15>someone on the street, it's five. Do you want to

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<v Speaker 15>kill someone on the street it's twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>But well, if if strong, if strong penalties work, why

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<v Speaker 2>are there the shooting murders that go on in Sydney

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<v Speaker 2>today because they get really strong penalties, but they still

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<v Speaker 2>shoot one another.

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<v Speaker 15>Yeah, but you're at the highest level there with the

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<v Speaker 15>shooting and what do you mean what do you mean

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<v Speaker 15>at the highest level? Well, that's the highest that where

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<v Speaker 15>you can be shooting someone to death, you know what

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<v Speaker 15>I mean? It's different to stabbing someone in the leg

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<v Speaker 15>or in the arm. They stab.

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<v Speaker 2>You think you think if they stab someone, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>as bad as shooting someone.

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<v Speaker 15>Well, mate, when you shoot someone ten times and in

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<v Speaker 15>the head like they did the other day and you're dead,

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<v Speaker 15>it's different if you stab someone in the leg, of

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<v Speaker 15>the arm or in a spot that's not a bat

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<v Speaker 15>like that.

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<v Speaker 2>So they should get so they should get ten years.

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<v Speaker 2>The the the the stabbers, But what about the.

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<v Speaker 15>Shooters may you shoot someone? You should be getting life, mate.

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<v Speaker 15>Well they do about it.

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<v Speaker 2>They do, but it still doesn't get them.

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<v Speaker 15>It doesn't. They get fifteen years and they're back on

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<v Speaker 15>the street again. The system's a joke. The judges don't

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<v Speaker 15>have any any I won't say it, but they don't

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<v Speaker 15>know that. They're too scared to put anyone away, mate,

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<v Speaker 15>and they're not going to do it. They should eeck

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<v Speaker 15>the judges.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the saddest days of my life has been

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<v Speaker 2>to receive this email from A Michael and it goes

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<v Speaker 2>the only thing the English got wrong was they didn't

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<v Speaker 2>succeed in eliminating every single one of them. What a

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<v Speaker 2>better place Australia would be. What do you think of that?

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think of that? I'd love to get

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<v Speaker 2>your comments on that. Eliminate The only thing the English

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<v Speaker 2>got wrong was not eliminating the lot love to get

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<v Speaker 2>your comments on that. One three one eight seven three.

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<v Speaker 1>Imagine people, welcome back to Sunday night. Cruise with you

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<v Speaker 1>already a reverend Bill Cruise.

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<v Speaker 2>A big warm welcome back on this cold winter night.

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<v Speaker 2>And as you know, it's the bewitching hour. So we've

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<v Speaker 2>got every line into this building comes to this microphone

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<v Speaker 2>so I can talk to you. Do you want to

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<v Speaker 2>talk to me? I'd love to talk to you. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know the number here, it's one three, one eight

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<v Speaker 2>seven three and coming up. We talked to critically acclaimed

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<v Speaker 2>author Hilda Hinton about her book The Opposite of Lonely,

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<v Speaker 2>which deals with loneliness, social disconnection and the power of friendship.

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<v Speaker 2>Last week, there were tears and hope as families mourned

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<v Speaker 2>the Bondai stabbing victims on inquest's final day, and last Friday,

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<v Speaker 2>a teen was arrested in Melbourne over the Northland shopping

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<v Speaker 2>center machette brawl. He had previously been found with horrifying

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<v Speaker 2>images of himself posing with knives, buying machetes, and graphic

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<v Speaker 2>video of the stabbing of another young male. The fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>year old was already on four counts of bail when

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<v Speaker 2>he allegedly became involved in last Sunday's violent melay, sparked

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<v Speaker 2>by rival gang members looking at each other the wrong way. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 2>Victorian retailers are clambering to remove prohibited machetes from store

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<v Speaker 2>shelves as an Australian first ban on the sale of

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<v Speaker 2>the weapons comes into effect. The ban was fast tracked

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<v Speaker 2>last Monday after the terrifying weekend of knife crime and

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<v Speaker 2>forced as of midday last Friday. The measures imposed an

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<v Speaker 2>interim ban on the sale of cutting edge knives with

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<v Speaker 2>a blade longer than twenty centimeters, excluding kitchenware. So what

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<v Speaker 2>do you think of the Victorian government's retail machete ban?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it something we should be looking at in New

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<v Speaker 2>South Wales, Queensland and the Act? How serious is knife

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<v Speaker 2>and machete crime become in the community? Will this ban

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<v Speaker 2>improve public safety? As online access to these products remains unregulated?

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<v Speaker 2>Should the Commonwealth step in to regulate the sale of

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<v Speaker 2>knives and machetes across Australia wide? Could a buyback scheme

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<v Speaker 2>similar to the gun buy back be an effective way

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<v Speaker 2>of removing machetes from the community. So your thoughts on

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<v Speaker 2>a ban on machetes and cutting edge knives with a

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<v Speaker 2>blade longer than twenty centimeters? Is it a good or

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<v Speaker 2>a bad idea? One three one eight seventy three. And

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<v Speaker 2>as National Reconciliation Week winds down for twenty twenty five,

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<v Speaker 2>we are reminded of Australia's shared history and our ongoing

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<v Speaker 2>journey towards reconciliation. It's been a time to reflect, learn

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<v Speaker 2>and take action honoring the resilience, culture and achievements of

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<v Speaker 2>Aboriginal and Torrestrate Islander peoples. The theme this year has

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<v Speaker 2>been bridging now to next and deserge all Australians to

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<v Speaker 2>unite in advancing reconciliation. It has called on us to

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<v Speaker 2>learn from the past, take action in the present, and

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<v Speaker 2>build a more inclusive future. So what is National Reconciliation

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<v Speaker 2>Week twenty twenty five meant for you? Have you participated

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<v Speaker 2>in any events over the past week. How important has

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<v Speaker 2>it been for you to reflect, learn and take action

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<v Speaker 2>honoring the resilience, culture and achievements of Aboriginal and Torrestrade

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<v Speaker 2>Island of people's over National Reconciliation Week. What would you

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<v Speaker 2>like to see happen to advance reconciliation into the future.

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<v Speaker 2>What do we need to do to build a more

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<v Speaker 2>inclusive future with our Indigenous brothers and sisters and in

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<v Speaker 2>advancing reconciliation? What must we learn from the past and

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<v Speaker 2>what about closing the gap between Indigenous and non Indigenous

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<v Speaker 2>Australians Do we need to do more? Meanwhile, there have

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<v Speaker 2>been community calls for answers after another death in custody

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<v Speaker 2>of a twenty four year old Aboriginal man in Alice Springs.

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<v Speaker 2>The man was declared dead in hospital about seventy minutes

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<v Speaker 2>after he was restrained on the ground following an altercation

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<v Speaker 2>with security guards at a local court Coals about one

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<v Speaker 2>ten pm last Tuesday. So are we doing enough to

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<v Speaker 2>end Aboriginal deaths in custody? How? How can we get

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<v Speaker 2>these numbers down? And suicide rates among Aboriginal and Torrestrate

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<v Speaker 2>Islander that's First Nations people are substantially higher than those

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<v Speaker 2>of non Indigenous Australians. What can be done to reduce

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<v Speaker 2>deaths by suicide and suicide behavior among First Nations people?

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<v Speaker 2>And does this need to be a public health priority

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<v Speaker 2>for all Australian governments? And last Monday May twenty six

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<v Speaker 2>was National Sorry Day which remembers and acknowledges the mistreatment

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<v Speaker 2>of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people who are forcibly

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<v Speaker 2>removed from their families and communities, which we now know

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<v Speaker 2>as the Stolen Generations. So what are we doing? Are

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<v Speaker 2>we doing enough to help Stolen Generation survivors? And can

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<v Speaker 2>we all play a part in the healing process. Today,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty three years after the Bringing Them Home Report and

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<v Speaker 2>twelve years since the National Apology, Aboriginal and Torres Strait

1:26:33.360 --> 1:26:37.840
<v Speaker 2>Islander children are still over ten times more likely than

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<v Speaker 2>non Indigenous children to be removed from their families. What

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<v Speaker 2>needs to be done to turn this around? So come on,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd like your thoughts on National Reconciliation Week twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five and its significance to you. One three one eight

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<v Speaker 2>seven three. US lyricist Cynthia Whale died aged eighty two

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<v Speaker 2>on this day in twenty twenty three. She wrote many

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<v Speaker 2>many hit songs together with a husband, Barry Man, including

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<v Speaker 2>We've got to get out of this place on Broadway.

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<v Speaker 2>Make your own kind of music. You're my soul and inspiration.

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<v Speaker 2>He's so shy here you come again and you've lost

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<v Speaker 2>that love and feeling.

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<v Speaker 3>You know who close as any more? When I kiss

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<v Speaker 3>you'll leave.

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<v Speaker 24>There's no tenderness like reop in your fante.

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<v Speaker 3>You're trying hard, nothing soul, but oh there's he come up.

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<v Speaker 3>If your fi fragach go yeahead. If your started to

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<v Speaker 3>the size still I did it makes me? Yes? You

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<v Speaker 3>hot frogging at you want.

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<v Speaker 25>Me jeez, you can't sad, but now it's gone.

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<v Speaker 24>Oh baby, baby, I'll get down all my knees, will you.

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<v Speaker 7>If you don't move A lady love me that you

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<v Speaker 7>used to do with the.

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<v Speaker 26>We had abou fello, I love your fad every day,

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<v Speaker 26>No a pleasing them.

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<v Speaker 25>It's a case.

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<v Speaker 2>La the three. Some songs are just timeless, aren't they

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely timeless? You get transported into a world that's just timeless. Michael,

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the show.

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<v Speaker 15>Hello, Hello, how are you deceiving?

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<v Speaker 2>Good? Thank you?

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<v Speaker 15>I was listening earlier to that chap Gary. I think

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<v Speaker 15>it was he was speaking about the judges. I tend

1:31:36.920 --> 1:31:39.720
<v Speaker 15>to agree with him that the sentences don't sit the

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<v Speaker 15>crime in this country, and that people get off again

1:31:44.680 --> 1:31:48.920
<v Speaker 15>and again and again, and they get bail and then

1:31:48.960 --> 1:31:53.320
<v Speaker 15>they commit another crime. It's just ridiculous. I think if

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<v Speaker 15>the judges don't have the spine to give the correct.

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<v Speaker 2>Sentences, how much the correct sentence, they should be.

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<v Speaker 15>Put out and someone should be put in that can

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<v Speaker 15>do it.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you mean, see, what do you mean what

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<v Speaker 2>are correct sentences?

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<v Speaker 15>Well, every day you're hearing about the public crying out

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<v Speaker 15>that things are happening, and no one's getting anything done

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<v Speaker 15>to them. The charges aren't being laid.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you mean they're not being done? What do

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<v Speaker 2>you mean they're not The courts are full of people.

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<v Speaker 15>Yeah, I know, but nothing happens. Half the people just

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<v Speaker 15>get let off or get bail, or they get community.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you really believe that the jails are full, Michael, Yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 15>Know the jails are full, but there could be a

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<v Speaker 15>lot more people in jail, but they don't put them in.

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<v Speaker 15>You just have to speak to all the people. Everyone,

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<v Speaker 15>people getting murdered, people getting led off.

1:32:47.000 --> 1:32:49.879
<v Speaker 2>So people are murdered and nothing happens.

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<v Speaker 15>A lot of times nothing happened.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you mean nothing happens. They don't go to prison.

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<v Speaker 15>They'll get a little sentence of five years.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you what for murder? Someone will get five years

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<v Speaker 2>for murder.

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<v Speaker 15>It happens. All that or they get off is mental health?

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<v Speaker 15>Well you've got to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't mantel health a realistic thing?

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<v Speaker 15>It's actually a raught because everyone why if they say it,

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<v Speaker 15>they'll get off. Sure, there's people with Michael.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't be that dumb, No, you can't be.

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<v Speaker 15>That dumb, Reverence. Surely, if you watch a sixty minutes. Yes,

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<v Speaker 15>there's someone.

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<v Speaker 2>Saying, I idea with the courts almost every day.

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<v Speaker 15>I know that there's so many people that get let

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<v Speaker 15>off all the time. How does how does the kid

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<v Speaker 15>that's got eighty chargers get arrested and then he gets

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<v Speaker 15>out on bail.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a problem for juvenile justice.

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<v Speaker 15>But that's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>Why why, yeah, why why don't we treat to look

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<v Speaker 2>after our children properly? Why don't we do proper things

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<v Speaker 2>so that they don't end up in trouble?

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<v Speaker 15>But what about the adults? Someone basses someone to death

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<v Speaker 15>and they say, oh, it's man's laughter. Who will get

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<v Speaker 15>four years?

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<v Speaker 9>Four years?

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<v Speaker 15>They give them seven, but they do four? Why is

1:34:19.680 --> 1:34:22.960
<v Speaker 15>they seven? If it's not seven, Why don't they tell

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<v Speaker 15>the truth and say it's four years?

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<v Speaker 2>Like you and I, we both agree that the justice

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<v Speaker 2>system needs looking at. Yes, we both agree. Well why

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<v Speaker 2>is it broken, Michael?

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<v Speaker 15>Because the judges don't have a spine to put the

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<v Speaker 15>people away from what they've done.

1:34:42.360 --> 1:34:46.800
<v Speaker 2>Why don't the judges Why don't no ask me, why

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<v Speaker 2>don't the judges have the spine? Do you tell me?

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<v Speaker 2>You tell me? Now you're the one going saying all

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<v Speaker 2>these weak judges How are they weak?

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<v Speaker 15>Do just have them look at the sentences that they're

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<v Speaker 15>giving and it's not rocket science?

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<v Speaker 2>Well not? Why are the judges? Why are they? Why

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<v Speaker 2>are the judges like that? If you think they're too weak?

1:35:13.040 --> 1:35:14.439
<v Speaker 2>Why do you think they're too.

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<v Speaker 15>Weak because the sentences are giving and don't match the crimes?

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<v Speaker 2>What encourages them to be weak?

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<v Speaker 15>How would I know they should be sacked?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, why aren't they sacked? Michael? Why aren't they sacked?

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<v Speaker 2>You told me?

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<v Speaker 15>Listen to listen to Mark Levy Ray Hadley. They go

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<v Speaker 15>on about it all day, every day, about these judges

1:35:38.160 --> 1:35:42.760
<v Speaker 15>letting off pedophiles, letting off criminals. It's absolutely a joke.

1:35:43.240 --> 1:35:45.519
<v Speaker 15>It's absolutely a joke. If you speak to all the

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<v Speaker 15>victims of crime and say to them, are you happy

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<v Speaker 15>with the sentence? You're going to get it, get one

1:35:53.200 --> 1:35:55.720
<v Speaker 15>percent that says they're happy, in ninety nine percent that

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<v Speaker 15>say they aren't. It happens every day every day. There's

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<v Speaker 15>no penalty.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, how come how come I deal with people who

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<v Speaker 2>are in jail because they shouldn't be there?

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<v Speaker 15>How would I know?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's what I mean, That's what I mean. If

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<v Speaker 2>you've got there, if you've got a system like like

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<v Speaker 2>like the system is working as best it can not really,

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<v Speaker 2>so what would you do? Okay, what would be the

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<v Speaker 2>maximum penalty?

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<v Speaker 15>I believe they don't put the people in jail because

1:36:34.600 --> 1:36:37.920
<v Speaker 15>they can't afford it, and there's no room. The jails

1:36:37.960 --> 1:36:41.280
<v Speaker 15>are packed, they're overcrowded and there's no room.

1:36:41.439 --> 1:36:44.519
<v Speaker 2>And why are they packed? Why are they packed?

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<v Speaker 15>Well, so if there's people are breaking the law, if

1:36:50.680 --> 1:36:53.320
<v Speaker 15>you break the law, you go to jail. That's what happens.

1:36:53.920 --> 1:36:57.000
<v Speaker 15>But in this country you don't a lot of the times,

1:36:57.120 --> 1:37:00.519
<v Speaker 15>they just get bail, or they'll get a community service

1:37:00.720 --> 1:37:04.160
<v Speaker 15>order where although it's to be able to stay at home,

1:37:04.400 --> 1:37:07.280
<v Speaker 15>what's that you stay at home? And what's TV? And

1:37:07.400 --> 1:37:11.919
<v Speaker 15>that's your sentence, it's not. There's no deterrent, there's no deterrent.

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<v Speaker 2>So do you feel safe in the world?

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<v Speaker 15>No, I don't not at all. And a lot of

1:37:19.840 --> 1:37:21.759
<v Speaker 15>people don't feel safe, I guarantee.

1:37:21.760 --> 1:37:29.920
<v Speaker 2>Why that? Why? Actually crime's going down? It is going down, yes, oh.

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<v Speaker 15>Yes, yes it is. There's a stabbing on the news

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<v Speaker 15>nearly every day, yes, nearly every day. And do you

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<v Speaker 15>think all that?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know what it was like here in the thirties.

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<v Speaker 15>We're not talking about the thirties, no, but we're talking.

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<v Speaker 2>But people are saying now there used to be razor

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<v Speaker 2>gangs in the thirties around Sydney who attacked one another

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<v Speaker 2>with razors.

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<v Speaker 15>Yeah, and I bet you when they got caught, they

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<v Speaker 15>went to jail and they did hard.

1:37:57.680 --> 1:37:58.880
<v Speaker 2>And nothing stopped in there.

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<v Speaker 15>But that didn't stay in They're watching TV and playing tennis.

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<v Speaker 15>And you know, I made the jails need to be

1:38:05.560 --> 1:38:09.280
<v Speaker 15>hardened up. You need to take out the TV straight away.

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<v Speaker 15>There's no TV, there's no text.

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<v Speaker 2>So what do people do in the jail? What would

1:38:13.760 --> 1:38:15.760
<v Speaker 2>they do in the prison? What would they do?

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<v Speaker 15>Work?

1:38:16.320 --> 1:38:17.080
<v Speaker 2>Just stare at the door?

1:38:17.400 --> 1:38:17.599
<v Speaker 9>Work?

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<v Speaker 15>No, they should be working.

1:38:20.520 --> 1:38:25.920
<v Speaker 2>Doing what breaking rock, taking right slave shammers, taking.

1:38:25.760 --> 1:38:27.800
<v Speaker 15>Out taken out of a day and cleaning up the

1:38:27.880 --> 1:38:31.639
<v Speaker 15>graffiti around the city rather than the taxpayers paying forty

1:38:31.840 --> 1:38:38.320
<v Speaker 15>million dollars to remove the graffiti. It's absolutely ridiculous. While

1:38:38.600 --> 1:38:44.439
<v Speaker 15>while the criminals sit in jail watching TV, there's drugs

1:38:44.520 --> 1:38:47.680
<v Speaker 15>in jail. They've got that if they want that, they

1:38:47.720 --> 1:38:50.120
<v Speaker 15>can network with other criminals when they come.

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<v Speaker 2>Out, So what's the point of putting them in jail?

1:38:52.800 --> 1:38:57.320
<v Speaker 15>Then they need to work and be rehabilitated, and the

1:38:57.880 --> 1:39:02.080
<v Speaker 15>sentences need to be stiff enough as deterrent. If you're

1:39:02.160 --> 1:39:05.400
<v Speaker 15>carrying a knife on the streets and you get caught

1:39:05.479 --> 1:39:07.599
<v Speaker 15>and you know you're going to go to jail for two.

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<v Speaker 2>Years, doesn't stop yet, it doesn't stop it. Massiveness doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>stop people.

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<v Speaker 15>But you don't know that, because so do we can.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, we've got evidence that shows that.

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<v Speaker 15>No, I don't believe that. Okay, if you stab someone

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<v Speaker 15>on the street and you get ten years to jail,

1:39:26.479 --> 1:39:29.000
<v Speaker 15>there's not going to be many people willing to stab

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<v Speaker 15>someone knowing they're going to use it, lose a decade

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<v Speaker 15>of their.

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<v Speaker 2>Life, and that person will come out a better criminal.

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<v Speaker 2>And he went in. God bless you, Michael. Thanks very

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<v Speaker 2>much for your call. Come on, I gave him a

1:39:49.560 --> 1:39:52.680
<v Speaker 2>hard time, right, do you agree with Michael or not?

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<v Speaker 2>Give me a ring? One three one eight seven three.

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<v Speaker 1>You're with the radio Reverend Bill Cruise.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, I've just got this message. Hi Bill. I lost

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<v Speaker 2>my dear mom on twenty fourth of May. She was

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<v Speaker 2>ninety one. She had eleven children. We'll be burying her

1:40:14.360 --> 1:40:18.519
<v Speaker 2>on Wednesday. Can you possibly give mam a prayer? Her

1:40:18.600 --> 1:40:23.839
<v Speaker 2>name was Marie. Well, let's say ninety one eleven children.

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<v Speaker 2>God knows how many grandchildren and great grandchildren. Dearest God,

1:40:28.800 --> 1:40:38.160
<v Speaker 2>Dearest God, your arms are open for Marae. Welcome her

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<v Speaker 2>in and may she live within the warmth and the

1:40:42.400 --> 1:40:47.040
<v Speaker 2>radius and the joy of your smile. May she find peace,

1:40:47.600 --> 1:40:51.479
<v Speaker 2>and may her family find peace and know that she

1:40:51.680 --> 1:41:07.880
<v Speaker 2>is loving in the loving care with you in Jesus' name. Amen, Chris,

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the show mate.

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<v Speaker 27>Hello, Reverend, how are you good?

1:41:11.920 --> 1:41:12.160
<v Speaker 2>Chris?

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<v Speaker 27>I was just listening to your comment about I was

1:41:19.479 --> 1:41:22.639
<v Speaker 27>just about suicized in custody and what to do about

1:41:23.680 --> 1:41:27.720
<v Speaker 27>about that issue. And it's definitely a hard on al

1:41:27.800 --> 1:41:32.559
<v Speaker 27>depth in custody, I should say. I guess, well, I'm

1:41:32.640 --> 1:41:36.720
<v Speaker 27>indigenous myself, and I think that, but I've probably had

1:41:36.760 --> 1:41:40.599
<v Speaker 27>an easier path than maybe a lot of people, especially

1:41:40.680 --> 1:41:46.080
<v Speaker 27>in the you know, in the regional communities or you know,

1:41:47.520 --> 1:41:51.200
<v Speaker 27>in rough city areas or whatnot. But I just think that,

1:41:51.600 --> 1:41:56.280
<v Speaker 27>you know, there should be some positivity around maybe being

1:41:56.360 --> 1:42:00.760
<v Speaker 27>able to that you can get yourself out of that

1:42:00.880 --> 1:42:06.000
<v Speaker 27>sort of bad life and have self determination and you know,

1:42:07.320 --> 1:42:08.920
<v Speaker 27>have a go. And I don't know if that message

1:42:08.960 --> 1:42:14.559
<v Speaker 27>is getting through to you know, to the indigenous community

1:42:14.640 --> 1:42:17.519
<v Speaker 27>out there, and that it's sort of they just get

1:42:17.560 --> 1:42:18.439
<v Speaker 27>stuck in the cycle.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, how is life with you, Chris.

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<v Speaker 27>Oh fantastic. Yeah, what do you do with a bit

1:42:27.680 --> 1:42:33.839
<v Speaker 27>of a backt I'm an electrician. Yeah, I've been doing FIFO,

1:42:34.520 --> 1:42:37.920
<v Speaker 27>which I did as a mature age apprentice. I started

1:42:37.920 --> 1:42:42.479
<v Speaker 27>at thirty and now forty one. Yeah, and it's been

1:42:42.600 --> 1:42:47.160
<v Speaker 27>very good to me and my family. And well that's

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<v Speaker 27>how I try and raise my daughters is just that

1:42:49.800 --> 1:42:52.360
<v Speaker 27>you know, you can become anything you want in life

1:42:52.400 --> 1:42:53.360
<v Speaker 27>if you work hard, and.

1:42:53.479 --> 1:42:55.080
<v Speaker 2>Yes, she can give to go.

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<v Speaker 27>You know, like this is Australias, the greatest country in

1:42:58.800 --> 1:43:01.240
<v Speaker 27>the world. I think probably have a little bit of

1:43:01.280 --> 1:43:05.559
<v Speaker 27>bias as you probably do as well if you see

1:43:05.560 --> 1:43:07.439
<v Speaker 27>what else is going on around the world, Like we've

1:43:07.439 --> 1:43:09.600
<v Speaker 27>got it pretty good here, and I think there's just

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<v Speaker 27>so many opportunities out there if if you're shown that

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<v Speaker 27>sort of direction.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 27>A little backstory. I was adopted as a child born

1:43:24.320 --> 1:43:27.320
<v Speaker 27>in the eighties SOT four, and my birth mother sort

1:43:27.360 --> 1:43:29.400
<v Speaker 27>of said, you know at the time, maybe being indigenous.

1:43:30.600 --> 1:43:33.360
<v Speaker 27>I never knew I was indigenous until I turned eighteen

1:43:33.439 --> 1:43:37.160
<v Speaker 27>and finally met my sort of birth family, so that's

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<v Speaker 27>you know, I've had a bit of a different path,

1:43:39.000 --> 1:43:44.120
<v Speaker 27>but that probably goes you're talking about stolen generation. I

1:43:44.200 --> 1:43:46.880
<v Speaker 27>think because she was adopted out as well, and I

1:43:46.960 --> 1:43:50.599
<v Speaker 27>think my grandmother she was part of that stolen generation.

1:43:50.800 --> 1:43:56.160
<v Speaker 27>So my oldest daughter she moved down to orang John

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<v Speaker 27>in Brisbane and she she works in so work in

1:44:00.400 --> 1:44:02.719
<v Speaker 27>indigenous communities, and she said it was real eye opening

1:44:03.320 --> 1:44:06.280
<v Speaker 27>for her just seeing, you know, how people are living

1:44:06.360 --> 1:44:06.760
<v Speaker 27>out there.

1:44:09.000 --> 1:44:11.960
<v Speaker 2>So I mean, it's a hard it's a hard Has

1:44:12.040 --> 1:44:14.920
<v Speaker 2>it been harder for you because you're indigenous? Has it

1:44:15.040 --> 1:44:21.000
<v Speaker 2>been harder or you didn't know so it didn't happen, Well.

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<v Speaker 22>It was.

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<v Speaker 27>What was probably hard about finding out at the time

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<v Speaker 27>was that I guess my father, you know, white Austraian.

1:44:29.800 --> 1:44:32.519
<v Speaker 27>That's fine. In my mum's Filipino. So I've had a

1:44:32.680 --> 1:44:36.640
<v Speaker 27>quite diverse upbringing. But he was actually quite racist to Originals,

1:44:36.680 --> 1:44:38.439
<v Speaker 27>you know, and the things some of the things he

1:44:38.520 --> 1:44:41.439
<v Speaker 27>said was like, oh, you know, I work hard, and

1:44:41.479 --> 1:44:43.840
<v Speaker 27>all my bloody tax dollars goes to pay you know,

1:44:44.920 --> 1:44:47.320
<v Speaker 27>Center Link for Aboriginals and all this sort of Ariginals

1:44:47.360 --> 1:44:48.640
<v Speaker 27>and all this sort of stuff, and then when I

1:44:48.680 --> 1:44:51.600
<v Speaker 27>found out it was a bit of and me and

1:44:51.720 --> 1:44:54.800
<v Speaker 27>him had words about it, and I was just said,

1:44:54.840 --> 1:44:58.760
<v Speaker 27>I'm sick of hearing about it. You know, like, you know,

1:44:58.840 --> 1:45:01.120
<v Speaker 27>your tax money's going somewhere, it will get the government

1:45:01.120 --> 1:45:04.360
<v Speaker 27>will spend it on something. Doesn't it's not necessarily that,

1:45:04.560 --> 1:45:08.360
<v Speaker 27>you know, like get over it. But I mean that's

1:45:08.400 --> 1:45:11.280
<v Speaker 27>probably maybe a feeling that a lot of people have,

1:45:11.439 --> 1:45:15.599
<v Speaker 27>I guess, but maybe because of they can't see maybe

1:45:16.240 --> 1:45:18.639
<v Speaker 27>the money is wasted. I don't know, you know, I'm

1:45:18.680 --> 1:45:21.519
<v Speaker 27>not I don't really know what the government does with everything.

1:45:21.560 --> 1:45:25.280
<v Speaker 27>But well, I guess back to my point, I just

1:45:25.360 --> 1:45:29.080
<v Speaker 27>think that there is so much opportunity if you can

1:45:29.160 --> 1:45:31.200
<v Speaker 27>get that message out, and you probably do have to

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<v Speaker 27>start with the kids.

1:45:32.040 --> 1:45:32.160
<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 27>Another side story I was, I was driving back from

1:45:36.400 --> 1:45:39.160
<v Speaker 27>Adelaide back to Brisbane and I drove through a.

1:45:40.880 --> 1:45:41.839
<v Speaker 16>Couple of the little.

1:45:43.280 --> 1:45:45.840
<v Speaker 27>Out back towns out there, and you know, it's two

1:45:45.880 --> 1:45:49.880
<v Speaker 27>o'clock in the morning and there's little indigenous kids, probably

1:45:50.040 --> 1:45:54.200
<v Speaker 27>well eight years old, six years old, just running around

1:45:54.240 --> 1:45:57.080
<v Speaker 27>in the park, no no adults to be seen.

1:45:57.120 --> 1:45:57.679
<v Speaker 15>You know, it's.

1:45:59.200 --> 1:46:01.800
<v Speaker 27>You know, it's I probably don't want to go home.

1:46:02.000 --> 1:46:04.720
<v Speaker 27>I don't know what's that, you know what I mean,

1:46:04.760 --> 1:46:08.519
<v Speaker 27>it's that's probably why the message he isn't getting through

1:46:08.600 --> 1:46:10.519
<v Speaker 27>them that they can make something of themselves.

1:46:11.360 --> 1:46:16.000
<v Speaker 2>They can, they can make so right something. When you

1:46:16.120 --> 1:46:19.000
<v Speaker 2>go home, give your kids a big kiss from me. Mate,

1:46:19.160 --> 1:46:23.000
<v Speaker 2>God bless yare and you're God bless share and I'm

1:46:23.080 --> 1:46:27.280
<v Speaker 2>so pleased you wrung thank you. Critically acclaimed author Hilda

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<v Speaker 2>Hinton has written three novels, and they all explore topics

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<v Speaker 2>around mental health, loneliness, social disconnection, and the power of friendship.

1:46:37.080 --> 1:46:39.800
<v Speaker 2>Her new book is the Opposite of Lonely and I've

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<v Speaker 2>got Hilda on the line. Hi Hilda, Hello Bill, Thank

1:46:43.560 --> 1:46:46.200
<v Speaker 2>you for having me. Now, Gosh, you work as a

1:46:46.240 --> 1:46:49.519
<v Speaker 2>prison officer by day, so you must see firsthand the

1:46:49.560 --> 1:46:52.400
<v Speaker 2>impacts of social disconnection and loneliness.

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<v Speaker 15>Yes, I do.

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<v Speaker 12>I think.

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<v Speaker 19>I think we automatically in society have these sort of

1:46:58.560 --> 1:47:04.040
<v Speaker 19>lock them up mentality and I think that's simplified. And

1:47:04.560 --> 1:47:07.880
<v Speaker 19>you know, these are people that have often had trauma

1:47:08.680 --> 1:47:12.479
<v Speaker 19>or sort of experiences that we can't imagine and find

1:47:12.520 --> 1:47:16.680
<v Speaker 19>themselves where they are for a number of reasons, and

1:47:16.760 --> 1:47:19.639
<v Speaker 19>of course what they miss, I think is a sense

1:47:19.680 --> 1:47:21.519
<v Speaker 19>of community that we take for granted.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, what about your own lived experiences, because that's in

1:47:27.160 --> 1:47:29.880
<v Speaker 2>form doesn't it your empathy for the characters in your book?

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<v Speaker 19>Yeah, I was the daughter of a mentally unwell woman

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<v Speaker 19>and she did her best to look after us kids

1:47:37.600 --> 1:47:40.439
<v Speaker 19>as best she could, but she had her demons in

1:47:40.479 --> 1:47:44.160
<v Speaker 19>her battle. And being exposed so young, I guess gave

1:47:44.200 --> 1:47:47.720
<v Speaker 19>me an understanding that not everybody is the same. And

1:47:48.080 --> 1:47:50.400
<v Speaker 19>also it can isolate you a little bit from your

1:47:50.439 --> 1:47:53.320
<v Speaker 19>friends because if they're not going through the same thing,

1:47:53.400 --> 1:47:55.040
<v Speaker 19>then you feel a bit disconnected.

1:47:55.439 --> 1:47:58.120
<v Speaker 2>And some of the things they go through their heroic,

1:47:58.200 --> 1:47:59.680
<v Speaker 2>aren't they the way they do?

1:48:00.040 --> 1:48:04.040
<v Speaker 19>Yeah, that's right. And you know there's such good work

1:48:04.120 --> 1:48:06.120
<v Speaker 19>done in this space and has been for many years.

1:48:06.320 --> 1:48:09.920
<v Speaker 19>And you know there's a lot of people can't unsee

1:48:10.000 --> 1:48:13.439
<v Speaker 19>some things, and I certainly I certainly respect anybody that

1:48:13.479 --> 1:48:14.439
<v Speaker 19>works in that industry.

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<v Speaker 2>So you were a second hand book dealer and read

1:48:17.400 --> 1:48:21.000
<v Speaker 2>in your spare times, and so was that what gave

1:48:21.080 --> 1:48:23.160
<v Speaker 2>you the courage to write your first novel?

1:48:23.840 --> 1:48:27.120
<v Speaker 19>Well, it certainly was a great apprenticeship. Bill, I was

1:48:27.720 --> 1:48:30.960
<v Speaker 19>twenty years I did that with my dad. We sort

1:48:31.000 --> 1:48:33.479
<v Speaker 19>of Yeah, lived a treasure hunt really just going around

1:48:33.560 --> 1:48:37.120
<v Speaker 19>getting books and had our shops. And I think it

1:48:37.240 --> 1:48:39.800
<v Speaker 19>was a really good apprenticeship because I read six books

1:48:39.840 --> 1:48:42.920
<v Speaker 19>a week, read all sorts of genres, because I had

1:48:43.000 --> 1:48:46.280
<v Speaker 19>to understand every section in the shop to be able

1:48:46.320 --> 1:48:49.679
<v Speaker 19>to serve as customers. And by the time I came

1:48:49.800 --> 1:48:53.160
<v Speaker 19>to well, by the time I finally made the decision

1:48:53.240 --> 1:48:56.040
<v Speaker 19>that was time to write a book, I think it

1:48:56.120 --> 1:48:57.200
<v Speaker 19>helped me in very good stead.

1:48:57.840 --> 1:49:01.519
<v Speaker 2>Like the first novel you wrote Outness of Unsaid Things,

1:49:01.600 --> 1:49:04.960
<v Speaker 2>that's almost Dylan esque, you know, it made a number

1:49:05.000 --> 1:49:08.720
<v Speaker 2>of best seller lists. That credit called claim must have

1:49:08.760 --> 1:49:09.840
<v Speaker 2>been very gratifying.

1:49:11.200 --> 1:49:13.400
<v Speaker 19>Yet it certainly came out of the blue. I wasn't

1:49:13.439 --> 1:49:16.519
<v Speaker 19>expecting it. You know, you're sort of bright for yourself

1:49:16.600 --> 1:49:20.720
<v Speaker 19>in a way. And I think with that book, it

1:49:20.840 --> 1:49:23.760
<v Speaker 19>touched a lot of people because like my own life,

1:49:23.840 --> 1:49:25.680
<v Speaker 19>there was a there was a you know, sort of

1:49:25.680 --> 1:49:29.080
<v Speaker 19>autobiographical thread through it, and a lot of people got

1:49:29.160 --> 1:49:31.719
<v Speaker 19>in touch and said that they felt less alone after

1:49:31.800 --> 1:49:36.120
<v Speaker 19>reading that because they were also children of somebody who

1:49:36.200 --> 1:49:39.200
<v Speaker 19>had a mental illness or family of And I think

1:49:39.280 --> 1:49:41.360
<v Speaker 19>now that we're talking about it more, I think it

1:49:41.439 --> 1:49:44.120
<v Speaker 19>might be time to put on the table that, you know,

1:49:44.320 --> 1:49:47.519
<v Speaker 19>let's offer some support for the people around and the

1:49:47.640 --> 1:49:52.720
<v Speaker 19>families around people suffering mental health issues, because everybody goes

1:49:52.800 --> 1:49:54.400
<v Speaker 19>on that journey with the individual.

1:49:54.960 --> 1:49:57.679
<v Speaker 2>Now, tell us about your second novel, as Solitary Walk

1:49:57.720 --> 1:49:58.200
<v Speaker 2>on the Moon.

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<v Speaker 19>Yeah, yeah, Well Evelyn. Evelyn was my favorite character that

1:50:03.280 --> 1:50:07.840
<v Speaker 19>I've written, actually, and she sort of socially self isolated

1:50:07.920 --> 1:50:11.160
<v Speaker 19>herself and doesn't know how to connect with people and

1:50:11.439 --> 1:50:14.599
<v Speaker 19>chops and changes her life and packs up and moves

1:50:15.200 --> 1:50:18.960
<v Speaker 19>when she gets a bit close to people. But you know,

1:50:19.200 --> 1:50:23.559
<v Speaker 19>it's also quite jaunty and uplifting, and it's about finding

1:50:23.640 --> 1:50:25.720
<v Speaker 19>family when you don't have a biological one.

1:50:26.640 --> 1:50:29.640
<v Speaker 2>And in your new book, The Opposite a Lonely, how

1:50:29.680 --> 1:50:31.880
<v Speaker 2>have you tried to inspire your readers in what in

1:50:32.120 --> 1:50:32.559
<v Speaker 2>that way?

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<v Speaker 19>Well, this book's about friendship. It's about Yeah, it's about

1:50:37.800 --> 1:50:40.479
<v Speaker 19>when you sort of find yourself a bit isolated because

1:50:40.520 --> 1:50:43.200
<v Speaker 19>you've either had a breakup, you've had debts in your family,

1:50:43.280 --> 1:50:44.600
<v Speaker 19>and you've sort of you've become a bit of a

1:50:44.680 --> 1:50:48.920
<v Speaker 19>shut in when you go through these things. And the

1:50:49.080 --> 1:50:51.880
<v Speaker 19>beauty of friendship is that somebody just comes into your

1:50:51.920 --> 1:50:55.200
<v Speaker 19>life and gives you confidence and allows you to take

1:50:55.320 --> 1:50:59.400
<v Speaker 19>life risks and supports you and uplifts you. And of

1:50:59.479 --> 1:51:03.080
<v Speaker 19>course sometimes sometimes these friends aren't always what they've seen.

1:51:04.479 --> 1:51:08.920
<v Speaker 19>But at the same time, friend well, sometimes people are

1:51:08.960 --> 1:51:10.920
<v Speaker 19>really good for your life, but you may not see

1:51:10.960 --> 1:51:14.439
<v Speaker 19>what they're really like. And you know, there can be

1:51:14.640 --> 1:51:16.479
<v Speaker 19>I think all of us have gone through the loss

1:51:16.520 --> 1:51:18.919
<v Speaker 19>of a friend or some sort of form of betrayal.

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<v Speaker 19>So I want to just explore the irony of sort

1:51:24.280 --> 1:51:27.400
<v Speaker 19>of losing a friend when that friend is the very

1:51:27.479 --> 1:51:30.200
<v Speaker 19>person that actually lifted you up to the point where

1:51:30.240 --> 1:51:31.320
<v Speaker 19>you can cope with the loss.

1:51:31.600 --> 1:51:35.760
<v Speaker 2>We're really complex people, aren't we We are we are.

1:51:37.479 --> 1:51:39.880
<v Speaker 19>Yeah, we are, and I just I mean, most of

1:51:40.000 --> 1:51:45.320
<v Speaker 19>us are really lovely and consider it, and sometimes people aren't,

1:51:45.400 --> 1:51:46.720
<v Speaker 19>and that's quite difficult to deal with.

1:51:46.960 --> 1:51:49.000
<v Speaker 2>So how do you see the impact alone inness on

1:51:49.439 --> 1:51:50.599
<v Speaker 2>our health and well being?

1:51:51.880 --> 1:51:54.000
<v Speaker 19>Well, it's proven, you know, it has the same sort

1:51:54.040 --> 1:51:58.800
<v Speaker 19>of medical effect as bad diet obesity. There's a lot

1:51:58.840 --> 1:52:03.799
<v Speaker 19>of articles about this. The Japanese have their own language

1:52:03.840 --> 1:52:07.040
<v Speaker 19>around loneliness, you know, where you're old young, they have Yeah,

1:52:07.080 --> 1:52:08.800
<v Speaker 19>they've got so many I wish I could remember them.

1:52:09.080 --> 1:52:13.640
<v Speaker 19>They're quite hard to pronounce. But the older people have

1:52:13.720 --> 1:52:17.479
<v Speaker 19>a different loneliness to younger people, and they have different words,

1:52:17.760 --> 1:52:20.439
<v Speaker 19>and I just think, you know, I just think it's

1:52:20.439 --> 1:52:23.080
<v Speaker 19>important to talk about this stuff, especially as we're moving

1:52:23.200 --> 1:52:27.280
<v Speaker 19>to self serve checkouts. Everything's done by tap and go,

1:52:27.520 --> 1:52:29.960
<v Speaker 19>everything gets delivered. And we're not going out as much

1:52:30.000 --> 1:52:32.719
<v Speaker 19>as we used to, and we're not talking to neighbors

1:52:32.800 --> 1:52:36.960
<v Speaker 19>and strangers and having those casual conversations that really are

1:52:37.000 --> 1:52:38.599
<v Speaker 19>an important fabric of our life.

1:52:38.720 --> 1:52:40.839
<v Speaker 2>And kids aren't playing in the streets anymore.

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<v Speaker 12>No, they're not.

1:52:42.120 --> 1:52:43.639
<v Speaker 19>You know, you don't hear them out on the street

1:52:43.720 --> 1:52:46.680
<v Speaker 19>kicking the ball and saying car, you know when a

1:52:46.800 --> 1:52:51.479
<v Speaker 19>car is coming. It's very sad. There's a house over

1:52:51.560 --> 1:52:53.360
<v Speaker 19>the road from me and a family moved in there

1:52:53.720 --> 1:52:55.519
<v Speaker 19>about a year ago, and I haven't I haven't seen

1:52:55.560 --> 1:52:55.960
<v Speaker 19>the kids.

1:52:57.439 --> 1:52:59.240
<v Speaker 2>So you've got over and knocked on the door.

1:53:00.360 --> 1:53:02.800
<v Speaker 19>Well no, I mean I've sort of waved, you know,

1:53:03.320 --> 1:53:07.439
<v Speaker 19>when they were putting out Halloween decorations. But there wasn't

1:53:07.520 --> 1:53:10.639
<v Speaker 19>a there wasn't a desire on the other end to engage.

1:53:10.840 --> 1:53:11.519
<v Speaker 19>And that's okay.

1:53:12.880 --> 1:53:16.880
<v Speaker 2>But we like that now, aren't we. You know, I

1:53:17.000 --> 1:53:19.000
<v Speaker 2>keep telling people to go out and sail over to

1:53:19.040 --> 1:53:21.880
<v Speaker 2>their neighbors and they go, maybe the neighbors don't want

1:53:21.920 --> 1:53:22.439
<v Speaker 2>to talk to me.

1:53:23.280 --> 1:53:23.479
<v Speaker 25>Yeah.

1:53:23.640 --> 1:53:26.800
<v Speaker 19>Well, ironically, during COVID, our street became very friendly. We

1:53:26.880 --> 1:53:30.320
<v Speaker 19>all put our chair out in our driveway and called

1:53:30.360 --> 1:53:32.240
<v Speaker 19>out to each other and spoke to each.

1:53:32.400 --> 1:53:36.120
<v Speaker 2>From across the world followed up it has it has.

1:53:36.200 --> 1:53:38.080
<v Speaker 19>I live in a great street. We all know each

1:53:38.120 --> 1:53:42.479
<v Speaker 19>other's names. We all keep an eye on each other's houses.

1:53:43.120 --> 1:53:46.479
<v Speaker 19>It's really sweet. And you know we're missing that as

1:53:46.560 --> 1:53:49.160
<v Speaker 19>we become a bit more shut in. I don't know

1:53:49.280 --> 1:53:51.840
<v Speaker 19>why kids aren't on the street more. I think screens.

1:53:51.880 --> 1:53:59.639
<v Speaker 19>I guess parental fear of you know, danger. But I'd

1:53:59.680 --> 1:54:01.720
<v Speaker 19>love to a bit more and hear more because it's

1:54:01.720 --> 1:54:02.559
<v Speaker 19>such a beautiful sound.

1:54:03.280 --> 1:54:05.800
<v Speaker 2>The kid I used to wander around everywhere, you know,

1:54:07.640 --> 1:54:10.760
<v Speaker 2>I come home at nine. Nowadays you've got these helicopter

1:54:10.880 --> 1:54:12.160
<v Speaker 2>parents everywhere, haven't you.

1:54:12.680 --> 1:54:13.200
<v Speaker 15>That's right.

1:54:13.640 --> 1:54:16.720
<v Speaker 19>Yeah, And it's a real shame. And you know this

1:54:16.960 --> 1:54:19.920
<v Speaker 19>this sort of school refusal, and you know I don't.

1:54:20.280 --> 1:54:23.639
<v Speaker 19>It's yeah, it's really sad. And I think the mental

1:54:23.720 --> 1:54:27.960
<v Speaker 19>health of our young people is clearly something that needs work.

1:54:28.400 --> 1:54:30.280
<v Speaker 2>Now. In your book, you look at the importance of

1:54:30.360 --> 1:54:32.680
<v Speaker 2>showing strangers compassion and empathy.

1:54:33.840 --> 1:54:36.320
<v Speaker 19>Yeah, well, it's a part of life, isn't it. You know,

1:54:36.400 --> 1:54:39.600
<v Speaker 19>I don't understand why people aren't lending a hand more

1:54:39.680 --> 1:54:42.640
<v Speaker 19>to people they don't know. It's a great way to

1:54:42.680 --> 1:54:46.400
<v Speaker 19>meet people. It's also human nature, I think to assist,

1:54:46.640 --> 1:54:50.640
<v Speaker 19>you know, it's certainly my natural response. Yeah, and I

1:54:50.720 --> 1:54:53.040
<v Speaker 19>really I value the strangers that I've met that have

1:54:53.120 --> 1:54:56.360
<v Speaker 19>become friends, and I certainly value when somebody.

1:54:56.200 --> 1:54:58.200
<v Speaker 2>Lends me a hand because if you don't go out

1:54:58.240 --> 1:55:01.320
<v Speaker 2>and say loo, you don't have the opportunity of that happening,

1:55:01.480 --> 1:55:01.680
<v Speaker 2>do you.

1:55:02.400 --> 1:55:04.840
<v Speaker 19>That's right, that's right, And that's how it starts. It

1:55:04.920 --> 1:55:09.000
<v Speaker 19>starts with looking people in the eye, you know, smiling, imagine,

1:55:09.280 --> 1:55:10.040
<v Speaker 19>and you also.

1:55:09.920 --> 1:55:13.200
<v Speaker 2>Look at the power of intimacy and friendship how important.

1:55:13.480 --> 1:55:17.280
<v Speaker 19>Yes, well it's I think friendships have an intimacy that's

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<v Speaker 19>sort of different from what you have with your partner,

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<v Speaker 19>because when you meet a friend, you just sort of

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<v Speaker 19>give them everything about you, all all your secrets, all

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<v Speaker 19>everything about you just comes out and you just give

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<v Speaker 19>it all over it sort of really quickly, whereas when

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<v Speaker 19>you meet a partner, you're sort of trying to show

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<v Speaker 19>your best side.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, and until it all falls away, that's right.

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<v Speaker 19>Yeah, So I think the intimacy of friendship with that,

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<v Speaker 19>with that complete giving of yourself is a unique to

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<v Speaker 19>friendship and.

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<v Speaker 15>B it's just so important.

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<v Speaker 19>We're just such communal creatures.

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<v Speaker 2>So what would you like people to take away from

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<v Speaker 2>the opposite a lonely.

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<v Speaker 19>I guess just be aware of the people around you,

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<v Speaker 19>Be aware of family members, be aware of changes in behavior,

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<v Speaker 19>ask questions. You know, people don't volunteer information, show an interest,

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<v Speaker 19>and same with neighbors and strangers. And you know, giving

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<v Speaker 19>a smile costs nothing. And if people don't respond and

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<v Speaker 19>look at you like your bonkers, well that's okay. Just

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<v Speaker 19>smile at the next person because nine times out of

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<v Speaker 19>ten you're going to get a lovely response. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 19>we're a community and we just need to work together

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<v Speaker 19>as humans to get through, especially in these sort of

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<v Speaker 19>difficult worldly times.

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<v Speaker 2>So what's next for Hilden? You're Hilton, Well, I was going.

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<v Speaker 19>To have a big rest bill and take a year

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<v Speaker 19>off writing, but I've had an idea.

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<v Speaker 2>And so you're a bit of blessing of answer.

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<v Speaker 19>Yeah, well the stories find me, I think, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 19>so yeah, the next one is going to be sort

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<v Speaker 19>of multi generational, because I think I really like young people,

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<v Speaker 19>you know, sort of young adults. I think I think

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<v Speaker 19>they're much more caring and giving, and they talk about

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<v Speaker 19>their feelings more. They're open, and I think people think

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<v Speaker 19>that they're entitled, whereas I don't think they're entitled. I

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<v Speaker 19>think they're just standing up for what they believe in.

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<v Speaker 19>And I really quite like them. And so I want

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<v Speaker 19>to have some younger people interacting with older family. And

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<v Speaker 19>as we watch the new guard.

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<v Speaker 2>Come through Hilda hinton new novel, The Opposite are Lonely.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for your time tonight, goblish him, thank.

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<v Speaker 15>You, thank you Bill, thank you.

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<v Speaker 28>Ross over.

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<v Speaker 3>If I.

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<v Speaker 9>Be the jazz ro.

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<v Speaker 2>Go down my feet all the time, all time street, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>let's be all grandma listening, all grandma to get out

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<v Speaker 2>and get out. Really want to thank you. I really

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<v Speaker 2>want to thank my listener again again and until they

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<v Speaker 2>are sad said good knocks

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<v Speaker 3>Hm