Speaker 1: On TGB for BC and network stations. This is Wake
Speaker 1: Up Australia with Mike Jeffries.
Speaker 2: Good morning, welcome along here it is Monday again. Welcome
Speaker 2: to the week, Welcome to the day, all that kind
Speaker 2: of thing. I want to Trevor Long this half hour
Speaker 2: because I'm continually interested and it's been talk about during
Speaker 2: the week about how the government of this country is
Speaker 2: leading the way in making sure that under sixteen year
Speaker 2: olds can't access social media. That's the way they're putting it.
Speaker 2: Not the Internet altogether, but social media. So you know,
Speaker 2: I talked about it from the view of a parent
Speaker 2: before the news viewer with me then, but I also
Speaker 2: want to talk to Trevor Long about the technicalities of
Speaker 2: doing it. I did have a conversation with him quite
Speaker 2: some months ago. Since then there've been tests. Anyway, I'll
Speaker 2: talk to Trevor about it. I still really don't see
Speaker 2: how it can be done. And Nicole, whom I was
Speaker 2: talking to before the News, supports it one hundred percent
Speaker 2: knows about AI. Works for one of the big banks,
Speaker 2: so it's fully experienced with the whole Internet computer thing, hacking,
Speaker 2: all that sort of stuff, and she thinks it's a
Speaker 2: great idea, but has no idea how it will be done.
Speaker 2: I'm very suspicious as to how it will be done.
Speaker 2: But anyway, I'll talk that through with Trevor. By the way,
Speaker 2: I was listening to the news there. You can't say
Speaker 2: we don't give the alternate view on the radio station
Speaker 2: with David Schubridge there. Think about our politicians, no matter
Speaker 2: what side of the fence you're on, they're so dumb. Really.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's Shuebridge and he's setting out to make
Speaker 2: his case while you know why, Trump's completely wrong with
Speaker 2: what he's done with Iran, and then he throws in
Speaker 2: what he thinks is a snappy convincer and he says, oh,
Speaker 2: you can't bomb your way to peace. That really wasn't
Speaker 2: the lesson from World War Two? Was it? You know,
Speaker 2: if the Yanks hadn't done that Hiroshima Nagasaki thing, when
Speaker 2: would the Japanese have quit? Anyway, Like I say, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean doesn't apply to all of them. I think
Speaker 2: there are some genuine politicians out there, but the ones
Speaker 2: that seem to work their way to the top, they just,
Speaker 2: I mean, what else can you say? But the stuff
Speaker 2: they say, it's just honestly dumb. Anyway, here's what you're
Speaker 2: facing on the front pages corea mail don goes nuclear.
Speaker 2: Trump obliterates Iran's nuke sites. US forces bracing for retaliation
Speaker 2: after bold move by President. The United States Navy's fifth
Speaker 2: Fleet in Bahrain is bracing for an attack after President
Speaker 2: Donald Trump declared an unprecedented American bombing the raid had
Speaker 2: completely and totally obliterated Iran's key nuclear facilities. Well, that's
Speaker 2: what he's saying, and that may well be true, but
Speaker 2: I mean, how do you prove it, because you know,
Speaker 2: the Uranians are saying, Oh, it wasn't a big deal
Speaker 2: really or was that effect? I am paraphrasing there, but
Speaker 2: that's the approach they're taking. So who is going to
Speaker 2: give us the definitive picture. I want to talk to
Speaker 2: a journal in about an hour to see if we've
Speaker 2: got any updates on that. Anyway, just letting you know
Speaker 2: what's on the front pages of the papers finn Review.
Speaker 2: You've got Iran vow's payback against the US oil price
Speaker 2: to spike on supply fears. Yes, that could be getting
Speaker 2: you get a variety of opinion on the front page
Speaker 2: of the Finn Review. You get Jessica Gardner saying Trump
Speaker 2: was holding back on Iran, then he received a phone
Speaker 2: call from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin and Yahoo, that's what
Speaker 2: Jessica has to say to you. Inside. Andrew Tillet says
Speaker 2: the US bombing has dealt Iran's nuclear ambitions a blow,
Speaker 2: but it's an open question whether it was a fatal one.
Speaker 2: And Jennifer Hewitt says the end or just the start.
Speaker 2: The unprecedented US military action has become part of the
Speaker 2: dramatic reshaping of the Middle East led by Israel. And yeah,
Speaker 2: they're the big stories, opinions on the big store in
Speaker 2: front of the finn Review. What else do you get?
Speaker 2: Queensland may hold ind cash hostage to GST. Yeah, what
Speaker 2: are they up to there? APRA's director limits will make
Speaker 2: the boards lazy and ten billion dollar deal could shake
Speaker 2: up the energy market. Talking about those things as well,
Speaker 2: Cambra Times, you get a picture of Trump, picture of
Speaker 2: the big bomber and a headline that says bombs away,
Speaker 2: US enters the war. They're also talking about plans for
Speaker 2: twenty six thousand new homes over five years. And I
Speaker 2: guess they got the story somewhere about labor politicians saying,
Speaker 2: look what we've done. I think it was what seven homes,
Speaker 2: but they're waiting to build twenty six thousand. Anyway, The Age,
Speaker 2: says angus tour a bit terse ACDC, you're back for
Speaker 2: five nights only. Okay, it's a long time since I've
Speaker 2: seen them. I wouldn't mind seeing them again, I guess. Uh,
Speaker 2: fresh complaints against top Chef and Vos under pressure. But
Speaker 2: the big headline, of course, on the Age, Trump joins war,
Speaker 2: US bombs Uranian nuclear sized, President Hale spectacular success, Darnlow's revenge,
Speaker 2: and there's a rise in teachers grooming students online, teaches
Speaker 2: grooming students online. As far as the opinion on the Age,
Speaker 2: you get a variety of opinions. Michael Coziole says muster
Speaker 2: stroke or mistake. Time will tell, Maureen Dowd says President
Speaker 2: makes mad King look sane, and Corey Alpertz says hero
Speaker 2: Act doesn't fool anyone. So you get a variety of
Speaker 2: opinions there. It's not a bad thing. I encourage that.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: Sidney Morning Herald Trump joins war on Iran. There's a
Speaker 2: picture once again of the big bomber and Trump with
Speaker 2: the faithful beside him. And it's that picture that you've
Speaker 2: probably seen on TV at least a dozen times by now.
Speaker 2: Planning failure, Stemy's the Metro dig and Northern Beaches hospital heartache.
Speaker 2: That's what again on the front pages of the Sunday
Speaker 2: Morning Herald and the Herald's Sun totally obliterated is the
Speaker 2: big headline. Trump drops bunker buster bombs on Keen euch
Speaker 2: sites Ayatola warned to make peace or face far worse,
Speaker 2: and Iran says it's now our turn before blitzing Israeli cities.
Speaker 2: Trevor Long is a technology guru from e FtM dot com.
Speaker 2: Morning Trevor, thank you for making yourself available at this
Speaker 2: hour of the morning. Actually, my associate, mister Sindon says
Speaker 2: that you're normally awake at this hour of the morning.
Speaker 2: Can that be true?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: No, I'd like to get up a freish just forget
Speaker 5: a start of the day. You get more done at
Speaker 5: this hour of the morning than you do any other
Speaker 5: time at day.
Speaker 2: I see, Okay. Now, I know we've talked about this before,
Speaker 2: but there have been some developments. We have a law
Speaker 2: passed that says people under sixteen cannot excess social media.
Speaker 2: First of all, to your understanding, are we only talking
Speaker 2: social media sites or the internet?
Speaker 5: Generally, we're only talking social media. But this is where
Speaker 5: it gets hilarious. So we have a law passed. It
Speaker 5: comes into effect at the end of this year, but
Speaker 5: it does not yet specify because it's a separate process
Speaker 5: to specify what is social media. So the government has
Speaker 5: not yet decided what is social media. So is YouTube
Speaker 5: part of social media? TikTok, Instagram, et cetera. So that's
Speaker 5: the first big unknown, because the big question really for
Speaker 5: me is YouTube has was originally excluded in statements by
Speaker 5: the government During the election campaign, the Prime Minister was
Speaker 5: questioned on this and he said it would be reviewed
Speaker 5: and there's been no conversation since then. And the issue
Speaker 5: here is not the YouTube that we all watch. Because
Speaker 5: we go on a website and we look at YouTube
Speaker 5: and these you know, widescreen format videos, whether they're funny
Speaker 5: or silly or education or whatever, and people watch it
Speaker 5: on their TV. That's the YouTube we think of the
Speaker 5: thirteen and fourteen year olds aren't watching that YouTube. They're
Speaker 5: on what's called YouTube thoughts, which is essentially TikTok. It
Speaker 5: is what it is what YouTube created to fight against
Speaker 5: the rise of TikTok? So why are we allowing that
Speaker 5: under these rules? And that's the first question we need answered.
Speaker 5: Is it included or not? And the second question is
Speaker 5: how on earth do we decide who's sixteen and who's
Speaker 5: not because these kids don't have IDs. My kids don't
Speaker 5: have id's. I have a thirteen year old and a
Speaker 5: fourteen year old. They don't have an ID. How are
Speaker 5: these How is tikto And that's the best example, because
Speaker 5: people love to hate it. How is TikTok meant to
Speaker 5: work out who's fourteen and who's fifteen and who's sixteen?
Speaker 5: So the government or a government body, the Age Assurance
Speaker 5: Trial release some information on Friday suggesting that they had
Speaker 5: done some testing, they had received submissions from the age
Speaker 5: assurance industry, and of course the age assurance industry has said, no, dramas,
Speaker 5: we can tell you who's fifteen and who's sixteen and
Speaker 5: who's eighteen. But Mike, the devil is in the details.
Speaker 5: These companies can do that with an error rate of
Speaker 5: about a year.
Speaker 4: And a half.
Speaker 2: Well, that makes me laugh, Trevor, because can you imagine
Speaker 2: how outraged a seventeen year old will be if she's
Speaker 2: told that she can't look at something that she wants
Speaker 2: to on social media because the device thinks she's only fifteen.
Speaker 5: Says no, here's the example I'll give you. When my
Speaker 5: kids turned they were allowed to have social media because
Speaker 5: that was the age that social media was allowed by
Speaker 5: the social media companies. My kids literally on their birthday
Speaker 5: requested social media. Okay, so on their thirteenth birthday they
Speaker 5: got accounts. And I'll tell you right now, it's actually
Speaker 5: really hard to do because the American time zone is
Speaker 5: a day later, and therefore, according to America, they're not
Speaker 5: thirteen yet. But anyway, that's a whole other issue. On
Speaker 5: their sixteenth birthday post these regulations coming in, how is
Speaker 5: it possible that any technology, any technology is going to
Speaker 5: tell the difference between a child that is fifteen years
Speaker 5: and ten months old and a child that has just
Speaker 5: turned sixteen? Physically impossible. The only way to do that
Speaker 5: is for a parent to verify their idea and confirm
Speaker 5: that the child can have an account, and that by
Speaker 5: law is not required to be the way we prove
Speaker 5: people's age because identity documents are not required this legislation,
Speaker 5: so fas the whole thing I'm telling you.
Speaker 2: Okay, So the tests they ran in the recent past,
Speaker 2: my understanding were as you say, I mean, they couldn't
Speaker 2: tell the difference between an eighteen year old and fifteen
Speaker 2: year old whatever. But when it comes to providing some
Speaker 2: kind of bona fide, I mean, how do you establish
Speaker 2: that the bona fide is bona fide?
Speaker 5: Well, we do have pretty good systems for verifying government IDs.
Speaker 5: I actually did it this morning. I was setting up
Speaker 5: a payment terminal for some testing, and it required me
Speaker 5: to prove my ID for my company and all this stuff,
Speaker 5: and basically I put in my driver's license and it
Speaker 5: went away and verified it. There are good systems for
Speaker 5: verifying a government ID that is safe and secure, But
Speaker 5: because of the concerns of the wider public around sharing
Speaker 5: government identity documents, the legislation had to require that there
Speaker 5: were options other than So, yes, it's completely allowed to
Speaker 5: use government IDD, but it should not be the only way.
Speaker 5: It must be possible to verify using a method other
Speaker 5: than ID. And there's no way of proving that my
Speaker 5: fourteen year old is fourteen or fifteen And if you've
Speaker 5: ever been to a kid's sporting match and you've looked
Speaker 5: at the kids on the court, going, these are all
Speaker 5: under fifteen. That girl looks seventeen, this girl looks twelve.
Speaker 5: What like as a parent, I can't tell the age
Speaker 5: of my child's friends.
Speaker 2: Well, that's certainly the case. So what happens though? I mean,
Speaker 2: my youngest son is twenty one, so it's not an
Speaker 2: issue for me at that level. But supposing I had
Speaker 2: a fourteen year old who's saying dad, dad, and I say, oh, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: here's my license, and then I pretend that my fourteen
Speaker 2: year old is actually sixteen year old, how's anybody going
Speaker 2: to prove that's incorrect?
Speaker 5: They're not. And here's the great news. It is not
Speaker 5: under the legislation. Again, parent cannot be prosecuted fined for
Speaker 5: having their kids on social media, so parent cannot be
Speaker 5: held responsible. The parent essentially can allow it. It's up
Speaker 5: to the social media companies to not allow it. And
Speaker 5: there's some caveats there because it's actually not about them
Speaker 5: accessing these services, about having accounts on the services, which
Speaker 5: is a whole other discussion. But yeah, basically there's no
Speaker 5: requirement for parents to get in trouble if their kids
Speaker 5: are on social media. And what I think will happen
Speaker 5: is just like right now, if my seventeen year old
Speaker 5: at the time is now eighteen, so a if my
Speaker 5: seventeen year old wanted to have a couple of beers
Speaker 5: at a party, then the nineteen year old or the
Speaker 5: eighteen year old will go and get the beers and
Speaker 5: supply them to everyone. What trust me old, you know,
Speaker 5: seventeen eighteen year old Brian with his driver's license is
Speaker 5: going to sign up to accounts for kids and give
Speaker 5: them the logins and passwords. So what's what's going to happen?
Speaker 5: They're going to still be on social media.
Speaker 2: So the best the government can really offer is the
Speaker 2: opportunity for you to say to your fifteen year old
Speaker 2: it's against the law for you to go on social media.
Speaker 2: They can flout the law themselves if they want to.
Speaker 2: As you say, your fifteen year old's got to mate
Speaker 2: who pretends to be or maybe you fifteen year old's
Speaker 2: got to mate who's seventeen, who will swear for him
Speaker 2: or her that they're of age. So there's so many
Speaker 2: ways to get around it. Really, the best as I
Speaker 2: say that the government can offer is I'll tell your
Speaker 2: child it's against the law. Is that really going to
Speaker 2: make a difference in the family situation.
Speaker 5: It's not going to make any difference. The worst thing
Speaker 5: that ever happened in this whole debate was the Prime
Speaker 5: Minister when he said we're going to do this. He said,
Speaker 5: we're going to take the responsibility away from parents and
Speaker 5: put it on the social media companies, so that if
Speaker 5: old Jimmy creates an account and gives it to little Johnny,
Speaker 5: then the social media company can say, well, we had
Speaker 5: an id against that account. We did our thing. The
Speaker 5: parents are none the wiser and don't need to pairent apparently,
Speaker 5: according to the Prime Minister, because they have been resolved
Speaker 5: of all responsibility to parents. It's purely upon the social
Speaker 5: media companies and they're the ones that get fined if
Speaker 5: a child is discovered to have an account. And it's
Speaker 5: going to be you know, News dot com and the
Speaker 5: Telegraph and all these people that paraded for this legislation,
Speaker 5: they will go the complete opposite way in eighteen months
Speaker 5: from now and talk about all of the kids that
Speaker 5: are on there because of these loopholes. But they're not
Speaker 5: willing to talk about the loopholes today before the legislation
Speaker 5: comes in. It's hilarious to me and I sit by.
Speaker 5: Here's the other question. I've got a thirteen and fourteen
Speaker 5: year old. Are they excluded from social media as of
Speaker 5: December or because they've already got accounts, can they continue
Speaker 5: to use it? Good?
Speaker 2: Hopefully.
Speaker 5: Don't know what to tell my kids.
Speaker 4: I literally don't.
Speaker 2: Know that wonderful phrases had grandfathered in. That's very interesting, Trevor.
Speaker 2: Appreciate your time and comments. Thanks for coming on program.
Speaker 2: Okay mate, Travelong technology Guru from EFTM dot com.
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Speaker 6: Iran says it remains resolutely determined to defend itself against
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Speaker 2: Film Thank you, Eddie. That Saidie Summerfield in the three
Speaker 2: a W news room. Let me take a phone call
Speaker 2: here business running from Canberra. Hello, isn't it?
Speaker 7: Oh, good morning, Mike. I wondered whether you'd caught up
Speaker 7: that apparently Trump's been nominated for the Nobel Peace christ
Speaker 7: later this year.
Speaker 2: There's pakistanis wanted to do that, didn't they.
Speaker 7: Yes, because of the between Pakistan and mean there.
Speaker 2: You just dropped out there for a moment then and
Speaker 2: who I.
Speaker 7: Said, Apparently it was because of his mediation between Pakistan
Speaker 7: and India.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a few weeks back. Yes, the difference somebody else
Speaker 2: and I was thinking, well, that's the difference between say,
Speaker 2: Pakistan and David Schubridge.
Speaker 7: But anyway, yes, yeah, but you know what we used
Speaker 7: to say that a week was a long time in politics.
Speaker 7: It's definitely twenty four hours is a long time in
Speaker 7: politics these days.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's the it's the age we live in years.
Speaker 2: We've got to compress everything down. Instant gratification isn't quick enough,
Speaker 2: you know how it goes.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but I'm hoping for a second positive from his action,
Speaker 7: and that is the Milar, you're disappearing.
Speaker 2: You keep disappearing this and what have you done? You
Speaker 2: paid your phone bill.
Speaker 7: I'll not pay my phone bill, Mike. Is that better?
Speaker 2: This was a bit What did you say before? Then?
Speaker 7: I was just saying that then they will hopefully be
Speaker 7: a secondary benefit to his action, and that the nurse
Speaker 7: around both Russia and and China will titan Russia in particular,
Speaker 7: and that Ukraine will prevail and get to its freedom
Speaker 7: within the next year or so.
Speaker 2: It's a lot to hope for, but I guess there
Speaker 2: are a lot of people who would support you in that.
Speaker 7: All right, thank you, thank you, have a good day.
Speaker 2: You two buy relationships. Dr Marney Lishman helps me out
Speaker 2: when I'm confused. Dr Marney's a health and community psychologist.
Speaker 2: He's on the line. Good morning, Thank you for doing this. Hello,
Speaker 2: how are you do you remember Quentin Crisp.
Speaker 7: Oh no, I don't think so.
Speaker 2: There was a TV show about him many years ago
Speaker 2: called The Naked Civil Servant, and I used to speak
Speaker 2: to Quentin. Quentin described himself as one of the stately
Speaker 2: homos of England, and he used to say, the trouble
Speaker 2: with your partner putting the toothpaste on the wrong side
Speaker 2: of the sink, it's not that he does it, but
Speaker 2: he does it every day. And that brings us to
Speaker 2: what we're going to talk about here. Is it time
Speaker 2: for a bathroom divorce? Please explain?
Speaker 8: Yes, yes, Well it's one of those other sleep social
Speaker 8: media trends that are happening at the moment. And I
Speaker 8: think sometimes when there's these kind of almost silly social
Speaker 8: media trends that they seem to quote quite viral, so
Speaker 8: I think a lot of people resonate with them. So
Speaker 8: the bathroom divorce isn't actually a divorce per se, but
Speaker 8: it's rather let's have separate bathroom spaces just to avoid
Speaker 8: the conflict because the other person, whoever it may be,
Speaker 8: has these bad habits that, to your point, seem to
Speaker 8: happen every single day regardless of whether we complain or not.
Speaker 2: Well, the classic male female is that he leaves the
Speaker 2: seat up. Is that still an issue?
Speaker 7: So selfish? So selfish?
Speaker 8: It doesn't come Yeah, what is it? You don't change
Speaker 8: the toilet rolls either.
Speaker 2: Many years come up. Many years ago I read about
Speaker 2: some university in Sweden that, out of consideration for the ladies,
Speaker 2: all the boys decided to leave the seat down. And
Speaker 2: I must have scoffed at this, and I actually had
Speaker 2: somebody listening in Sweden, a young male who you know,
Speaker 2: castigated me for being not thoughtful enough where the ladies
Speaker 2: were concerned. But I don't know, is it really that
Speaker 2: much of a big deal. I suppose if it annoys you,
Speaker 2: and it happens every day, as Quentin said, then it
Speaker 2: becomes an issue.
Speaker 8: Well exactly exactly, And I think it's not. I mean,
Speaker 8: people are talking about this bathroom divorce. It's a bit
Speaker 8: like a few months ago it was sleep divorce as well.
Speaker 8: You know, a lot of people can thrive better in
Speaker 8: their relationships if some of those kind of sleeping habits,
Speaker 8: you know, like snoring and tossing and turning. You know,
Speaker 8: let's have separate bedrooms. Yeah we can, you know kind
Speaker 8: of you know, just spend more time on there, the
Speaker 8: more important things, instead of these little things that are
Speaker 8: annoying us. So it's kind of the kind of a
Speaker 8: similar cousin, isn't it of the sleep divorce. But yeah,
Speaker 8: I mean, these things do cause a lot of conflict
Speaker 8: and if no one's communicating properly or not listening to
Speaker 8: the other person's complaints. These things are happening every day
Speaker 8: and it can cause quite the irritation.
Speaker 2: So what are we talking about here. I would have
Speaker 2: thought it's more tricky for women. You know, they have
Speaker 2: to go through more. I think to be ready for
Speaker 2: the street, you know, presentable in public. And I think
Speaker 2: that's a good thing. By the way, I don't know
Speaker 2: if you've noticed, but it's a cyclic thing with the
Speaker 2: makeup people. They insert these bogus stories into the media
Speaker 2: saying men are wearing makeup now, and I think, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 2: You know, having a shave, that's enough. Let's keep it
Speaker 2: to that. Maybe a bit of after shave afterwards, yeah whatever,
Speaker 2: you know, if you've got a bit of a rash
Speaker 2: or something. But let's not have to go through what
Speaker 2: the ladies go through. I mean they've built up to
Speaker 2: it over the years. But there's a lot more ladies
Speaker 2: stuff in the usual bathroom than men's stuff, isn't there.
Speaker 8: Well, exactly exactly. We do have more products, don't we. Yeah,
Speaker 8: we can't argue with that. Yeah, and we do take
Speaker 8: over the cabinets and the drawers and probably all the
Speaker 8: shells in the shower as well. But then you know,
Speaker 8: sometimes there's women that do make a mess with their
Speaker 8: makeup and you know, leave it all kind of all
Speaker 8: over the bowl, and then that might give their partner, yeah,
Speaker 8: a source of irritation. But then you know, I guess
Speaker 8: there's the actual toileting habits. There's you know, leaving the
Speaker 8: towel on the floor that some people do, you know,
Speaker 8: or you know, sharing towels or flannels and things like that, not.
Speaker 2: Using the basnet so that there's a there's a big
Speaker 2: splash of water and we.
Speaker 8: Don't want that, know, well, no, that's quite yeah, or
Speaker 8: fogging up the mirrors, and you know, there's all these
Speaker 8: little irritating and they are a source of conflict. And
Speaker 8: I guess we could argue that there's many rooms of
Speaker 8: the house where there is differing habits, you know, differences
Speaker 8: in habits that can cause conflict, So why not talk
Speaker 8: about it now and say, hey, yep, I leave the
Speaker 8: cap off the toothpaste and this is what I do,
Speaker 8: And yeah, maybe we need to kind of think about
Speaker 8: how we can separate our selves and just remove some
Speaker 8: of that conflict instead of it happening every day.
Speaker 2: You know, what's even worse than leaving the cap off,
Speaker 2: squeezing the tube from the wrong end.
Speaker 4: I do that.
Speaker 7: It's just quicker.
Speaker 8: I'm always in a rush. It just comes from it. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 8: but yeah, it's just one of those things, isn't it.
Speaker 8: I think there's probably lots of kitchen habits that people have,
Speaker 8: there's things that people don't do outside. But I think,
Speaker 8: you know, like you've got to think about what really
Speaker 8: matters in a relationship, and there are there some things
Speaker 8: that you can let go of and do we need
Speaker 8: to choose our battles?
Speaker 2: So I suppose indeed, well, you know, I turned to
Speaker 2: you for guidance in these matters. What do you recommend
Speaker 2: if you're heading for a divorce on account of the
Speaker 2: different ways you use the bathroom?
Speaker 7: Yes?
Speaker 8: Yeah, Well again, it does really come down to communication.
Speaker 8: So one would think if you're if you're good communications, communicators,
Speaker 8: because that is a foundation of a good relationship always,
Speaker 8: isn't It is that that connection and that communication, you know.
Speaker 8: But I also think that we have to choose our
Speaker 8: battles as well. So if you are in a house
Speaker 8: and there are two bathrooms and you're both happy to
Speaker 8: use separate bathrooms, then that's a great thing. But otherwise,
Speaker 8: if you don't, if you just got the one, you're
Speaker 8: really going to have to dig deep the communicating and
Speaker 8: set some boundaries of what and what you're going to
Speaker 8: put up with a.
Speaker 2: New lady who, as a result of being divorced and remarried,
Speaker 2: ended up with I'm pretty sure it was five or
Speaker 2: maybe even six girls, and I think they only had
Speaker 2: two bathrooms.
Speaker 8: Can you imagine, yes, yeah, that would be quite messy.
Speaker 8: And I can imagine that not all of those girls
Speaker 8: have the same bathroom habits at all. So it's not
Speaker 8: even a couple's things. It's actually just people in the
Speaker 8: household having totally different kind of hygiene, habits, personal preferences,
Speaker 8: and they all can become stress points.
Speaker 2: Indeed, well, some of these girls were negotiating adolescents and
Speaker 2: others were heading for it. I remember the lady said
Speaker 2: to me one day. She was kind of sighing when
Speaker 2: she said it. She said, this is just a comment
Speaker 2: from her. I'm not saying I endorsed it. She said, Oh, girls,
Speaker 2: they're so hard, they're harder than boys. And then and
Speaker 2: then they grow boobies and you can't talk to them
Speaker 2: at all.
Speaker 8: Oh. Yes, well, yeah, adolescence is family, isn't it.
Speaker 2: I've never had daughters. I've only had sons, so I
Speaker 2: can't speak from personal experience there.
Speaker 8: Yes, yes, but I'm sure you can understand the different
Speaker 8: differences in habits and hygiene having sons as well. Interesting.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm just trying to think back now. They were
Speaker 2: quite different. They still are. They were very the first
Speaker 2: two were very close together, and I think they've spent
Speaker 2: their entire lives being as different from each other as
Speaker 2: they possibly can.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah, but I think you know, we're all different, aren't we,
Speaker 8: ur human beings, and I think we have to respect
Speaker 8: some of it. We can't nag about everything. But I think, yeah,
Speaker 8: if you're living in a household and you're in a
Speaker 8: relationship where you know, we want equality in terms of
Speaker 8: what we need from each other, and we need respect
Speaker 8: as well. So I think it does come down to communication.
Speaker 8: But I think sometimes people are happier in separate beds
Speaker 8: as they are happier having their own bathroom.
Speaker 2: I just thought of what about length of shower?
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, that's a big one, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, what do you recommend?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, that's something that you've got to talk about.
Speaker 8: That's a financial issue as well. Yes, we are the
Speaker 8: constant living so again, yeah, deep conversation about yeah, the
Speaker 8: deeper meaning behind that and yeah, come to some sort
Speaker 8: of result.
Speaker 2: Doctor Marney. I appreciate your time and insights. Thank you
Speaker 2: very much.
Speaker 8: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Doctor Marney Listman is a health and community psychologist.
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Speaker 2: Ashley Klein will officiate the state of Origin decided despite
Speaker 2: criticism over his game to performance. This was a bit
Speaker 2: of that left New South Wales players and fans fuming.
Speaker 2: The Blues we hit with a lopsided nine nil penalty
Speaker 2: count by the forty fifth minute in Perth for Queensland,
Speaker 2: leading twenty six to six at the time and although
Speaker 2: New South Wales fought back. They last twenty six. Twenty
Speaker 2: four later met with NRL officials to question several of
Speaker 2: Klein's decisions. New South Wales claimed Klein overlooked repeated maroons
Speaker 2: in fractions while penalizing them for similar incidents. Despite the backlash,
Speaker 2: Code Sports reports, Klim will remain in charge due to
Speaker 2: the NRL's KPI based referee rating system, where he still
Speaker 2: ranks number one. Further to the conversation just before that report,
Speaker 2: a couple of comments here, Tom says the truth is
Speaker 2: that toilet lid should be shut completely to prevent spray
Speaker 2: from the flush. Yes, I think you're correct there, Tom.
Speaker 2: Albi says, hmm, this is Albi saying I grew up
Speaker 2: with five sisters. We had one bathroom. I guess things
Speaker 2: must have been different back then, says Albi.
Speaker 1: And now on wake Up Australia artist in the slotlight.
Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, it was on this day that Alice Cooper
Speaker 2: fell off a stage at a concert in Vancouver back
Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy five. Poor Alice fell off the stage,
Speaker 2: broke six ribs and after that said no more, mister
Speaker 2: nice guy. I really don't know if you reported that
Speaker 2: after it fell off the stage. I just thought I
Speaker 2: could make some kind of spurious tie in there that
Speaker 2: he said, Okay, that's it, no more mister nice guy.
Speaker 2: Here's somebody said, nice workmatee song. Glad you liked it. Actually,
Speaker 2: I was going to use that. Remember Trudy Teey, she
Speaker 2: used to read the do the traffic for me, and
Speaker 2: you know, she was one of those people who's kind
Speaker 2: of unconsciously funny, and she only found out a few
Speaker 2: years ago that some before I actually won a radio
Speaker 2: award by submitting an exchange between me and Trudy. But
Speaker 2: we were talking and she said to me, because I
Speaker 2: wasn't doing any much at the time, what are you
Speaker 2: going to do? And I said, I'm thinking of doing
Speaker 2: a podcast and calling it no more mister nice guy.
Speaker 2: And there was a bit of a pause, and then
Speaker 2: Trudy said, but you were never very nice. Three minutes
Speaker 2: to five, I'll have some news for you at five. Well,
Speaker 2: when I say that three minster five, in some of
Speaker 2: the zones we go to coming up in the next
Speaker 2: half hour. I want to talk to Jonathan Kursley just
Speaker 2: to see if there's any update on you know, obviously
Speaker 2: the big story of the morning. If you just joined us,
Speaker 2: can you guess what we've spent the whole morning doing
Speaker 2: talking to people on the phone about what Trump did
Speaker 2: in Iran, of course, and because we spent most of
Speaker 2: the time doing that, there's some good quirkies around this morning,
Speaker 2: but I didn't get around to doing any But I
Speaker 2: have a little time right now, although I still have
Speaker 2: texts here, some still commenting about a lady named Maria
Speaker 2: who was very anti Trump. Sharon said, war kills to
Speaker 2: that stupid woman. God is all about love. Peace is
Speaker 2: from God, says Sharon. Roberts is bad ai Okay Dale
Speaker 2: was playing with the AI again a minute ago, and
Speaker 2: he wanted to He asked it to depict Donald Trump
Speaker 2: on a was a pogo stick or a skateboard or something,
Speaker 2: and it did it straight away. No trouble at all anyway.
Speaker 2: Stories that won't make the news but might be worth
Speaker 2: a comment anyway, or worth the airtime. There's a place
Speaker 2: in China I like the idea of this. I really
Speaker 2: think somebody ought to try it. Here. They have a
Speaker 2: beer exchange bar, right, beer exchange bar. The prices fluctuate
Speaker 2: according to demand, like stocks, stocks and shares. Inspired by
Speaker 2: iconic stock markets like Wall Street. Quingdow Beer Exchange is
Speaker 2: a unique bar concept where beer prices fluctuate in real
Speaker 2: time according to customer demand. Located in Qingdao, China's unofficial
Speaker 2: beer brewing capital, the Qingdow Beer Exchange offers that unique
Speaker 2: beer drinking experience. There's a big display. I can see it.
Speaker 2: You can have a look at it on the net
Speaker 2: if you want to. Dynamic circular display above the large
Speaker 2: venue shows real time prices and sales data, where the
Speaker 2: most purchased beers surgeon price and the least purchased brews
Speaker 2: get a discount. That's kind of cute, isn't it. Yes, Michael,
Speaker 2: what are you saying? Hey, Mike, I've been in joining
Speaker 2: a show glad to hear it, thank you, and doing
Speaker 2: some research. I discovered they don't watch the Flintstones in Dubai,
Speaker 2: but Abu Dhabi do this kind of quaint Michael from Razback.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Michael. I did see your other little play
Speaker 2: on words, but I was thinking of Dale, you know,
Speaker 2: who tries to keep us within certain parameters. I also
Speaker 2: like this story. This is quaint. An angry bee keeper
Speaker 2: set the bees, set bees his bees on the police
Speaker 2: during a routine traffic stop. Not that I'm encouraging people
Speaker 2: to become scofflowers, but I just think it's quaint. A
Speaker 2: seventy year old Spanish beekeeper was so upset about being
Speaker 2: stopped by traffic police he set his bees on the offices,
Speaker 2: causing them to take shelter in a restaurant. So it
Speaker 2: leads me wondering, how do you train bees?
Speaker 1: Now on two GB for BC and network stations. Back
Speaker 1: to Wake Up Australia with Mike Jeffries.
Speaker 2: Good morning, Welcome along. If you've just joined us, Can
Speaker 2: you guess what we've been talking about all morning? Yes,
Speaker 2: it's what's on all the front pages that I'm looking at.
Speaker 2: Did I do the Australian before? I don't think so.
Speaker 2: Nuclear obliteration. There's Trump Around's key nuclear enrichment facilities have
Speaker 2: been completely and totally obliterated around the bully of the
Speaker 2: Middle East must now make peace? Who said that? Yes,
Speaker 2: it was the Donald. I'm going to talk to Jonathan
Speaker 2: Kurzley shortly, just to see if we've got any new
Speaker 2: developments there. Meantime, a lady named Maria called up. There
Speaker 2: were the few people taking a country position as far
Speaker 2: as Trump is concerned, but most of the callers this
Speaker 2: morning were totally behind him. And it's a bit the
Speaker 2: same with the government. We've had a couple of calls
Speaker 2: since the election from people saying you lost, or you know,
Speaker 2: the coalition lost, Get over it, forget about it. No,
Speaker 2: that's not going to happen. If anything, there will only
Speaker 2: be more and more comment over the next three years.
Speaker 2: See here's an example of what I'm talking about. Ed
Speaker 2: from Morana Hills, says Hi Mike on the current delusional
Speaker 2: dingling federal government. Their only successful policies are unsustainable immigration,
Speaker 2: increased taxes and unbelievably unrealized actual profits, inverted commons, vastly
Speaker 2: increased in accelerating power prices, more regulation, final last nail
Speaker 2: in the coffin of serious manufacturing here, and increased number
Speaker 2: of pencil pushing public servants. All this nebulous, pointless, irrelevant
Speaker 2: huffing and puffing on the international issues, except for their
Speaker 2: anti Israel stancer of no real substance or values, says Ed,
Speaker 2: seems the only current reason for USA to bother with Australia.
Speaker 2: They're assets here and a however weak and once friendly
Speaker 2: base in the Southwest Pacific, Si says ed from Irana. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't expect that kind of comment to stop for
Speaker 2: those people who said the election's over, that's it. No
Speaker 2: more correspondence will be entered into. I don't think so.
Speaker 2: Darren says. You had two ladies on earlier, Nicole one
Speaker 2: thousand percent correct and the lady before Maria or something,
Speaker 2: who has no idea what she's saying, says Darren. So
Speaker 2: Maria certainly provoked a lot of reaction, Robin says Morning Mike.
Speaker 2: Some people just so emotional about Trump and Israel and
Speaker 2: so on. She's obviously a supporter of Iran, Palestine, et cetera.
Speaker 2: I find her reaction quite pathetic. Blame her mass for
Speaker 2: starting and escalating all this. Direct the anger at them,
Speaker 2: says Susan. Robert says Irana headless chickens. Yeah, well we
Speaker 2: have to there no longer nuclear equipped chickens. That was
Speaker 2: something we discovered during the morning. A factoid about why
Speaker 2: they changed it because somebody asked, how can we stopped
Speaker 2: saying atomic bomb and graduated to nuclear bomb. A nuclear
Speaker 2: bomb uses We went through a phase of the hydrogen bomb.
Speaker 2: Atomic bomb uses fission and fusion and becomes the nuclear bomb,
Speaker 2: because it's not just atomic anymore, if you see what
Speaker 2: I mean there, Yes, just waiting for Jonathan. I'll go
Speaker 2: to him in a moment. But this is quaint and
Speaker 2: this is something that I agree with. A Chinese man
Speaker 2: with small eyes keeps triggering cars asleep at the wheel,
Speaker 2: warning these fussy cars we have. Now. I had a
Speaker 2: rental not that long ago, and the thing kept fretting
Speaker 2: because I was driving in the country and there was
Speaker 2: no second white line for it to look at. Anyway,
Speaker 2: I'll do more on that bit later. Maybe. Let me
Speaker 2: now go to Jonathan Cursley, nine, US correspondent, who's on
Speaker 2: the line. Morning. Jonathan, thanks for doing this.
Speaker 4: Good to you and the listeners.
Speaker 2: Mike, so let me chick off with the question about
Speaker 2: what we've all been talking about all morning. Are there
Speaker 2: any new developments. We are still in a state where
Speaker 2: Trump says, perfectly executed exercise. We've destroyed the main nuclear
Speaker 2: facility plus two others. On the other hand, Iran is saying,
Speaker 2: no big deal, or it's that effect I'm paraphrasing. Do
Speaker 2: we know any more of the details.
Speaker 4: Well, essentially, what we saw a few hours ago was
Speaker 4: the Defense Secretory pet Hext and the chair of the
Speaker 4: Joint Chiefs Front a press conference to essentially outline more
Speaker 4: of the details around this attack. We did learn a
Speaker 4: little bit more. Fourteen bunker busters were drapped on two sides,
Speaker 4: including the crucial one of four dough the enrichment facility,
Speaker 4: and there were also Tomahawk missiles fine at a third
Speaker 4: it is Fahan, another nuclear facility. We also knew that
Speaker 4: there were there was another range of BET two bombers
Speaker 4: that were centers a sort of deecale out into the Pacific,
Speaker 4: which there was some reporting around sort of twenty four
Speaker 4: hours ago that the stealth bombers were in Guam in
Speaker 4: the Pacific. Now that clearly was a decoy message to
Speaker 4: have Iran looking one way while essentially these bombers, unable
Speaker 4: to be seen by radar were heading in the other direction.
Speaker 4: All together, as for the damage, well, the Defense Secretary
Speaker 4: seemed pretty confident that they had carried out this mission
Speaker 4: exactly as Donald Trump had said. Vice President Jada Vance
Speaker 4: doing the rounds on the morning Sunday morning television shows.
Speaker 4: Not exactly with a resounding confidence that the Defense Secretary
Speaker 4: was giving, but clearly confident that they had done the
Speaker 4: job they were set out to do to delay to
Speaker 4: damage Iran's nuclear facilities. Now there's some suggestion that they
Speaker 4: may not be destroyed, that it may have delayed the
Speaker 4: program by some five years Iran. Iranian officials this morning
Speaker 4: are saying that they believe they still have enriched uranium.
Speaker 4: Now that is crucial if they are trying to continue
Speaker 4: ahead with this nuclear program. The key questions that world
Speaker 4: leaders should now be asking is where is that uranium?
Speaker 4: Where is it? Because that's going to be crucial in
Speaker 4: determining where this goes next. Because what you've got right
Speaker 4: now is a toss of the coin situation. You've got
Speaker 4: a rogue nation, you've got an unpredictable president, and really
Speaker 4: experts are saying right now that this could go either way.
Speaker 4: Either a ran to try and rapidly accelerated its nuclear program,
Speaker 4: or it could be severely damaged. Either this could rapidly
Speaker 4: escalate the situation or completely de escalated. The next forty
Speaker 4: eight hours are going to be crucial, and I think
Speaker 4: we will get a better idea probably over the next
Speaker 4: twenty four or so about exactly how Iran is going
Speaker 4: to respond. When it comes to the United States. We
Speaker 4: saw them strike Israel in the hours after Donald Trump
Speaker 4: launched the s So the conflict between Israel and Iran continues.
Speaker 4: There's a UN Security Council meeting, expect at any moment
Speaker 4: now Russia, China calling for ceasefire. You've now got global
Speaker 4: superpowers coming into the mix on this. It's not just
Speaker 4: the United States taking action, it's now everybody else watching
Speaker 4: to see what a sudden Donald Trump has found himself
Speaker 4: in somewhat of a wartime president, despite being the one
Speaker 4: who insisted he wasn't going to enter Middle Eastern conference.
Speaker 4: Now he will say for now that essentially what he
Speaker 4: has done is take one loan action, take one strike,
Speaker 4: and allow himself the ability to step back. But he
Speaker 4: has laid down a threat if Iran does not come
Speaker 4: to the table on peace, he has vout to continue
Speaker 4: to attack. So essentially he's standing himself right now on
Speaker 4: the precipice of entering it. Hopefully the colds he watched
Speaker 4: yet more attacks on the state of Iran.
Speaker 2: Indeed, and of course if they do start attacking US bases,
Speaker 2: then he really won't have a choice but to respond,
Speaker 2: will he.
Speaker 4: Well, if Iran doesn't come to the table. He's already
Speaker 4: laid out his options. He's essentially said, no, he's going
Speaker 4: to respond. You've got this called a sort of war
Speaker 4: of words going on the flight. At the same time
Speaker 4: that there is these actual conflicts between Israel and Iran.
Speaker 4: You've got Iran's foreign foreign and as they're saying, look,
Speaker 4: there will be ever I think consequences for the United
Speaker 4: States of America. The Iranian regime that is not unaccustomed
Speaker 4: to using strong language and strong warnings when it comes
Speaker 4: to the United States of America. They're also trying to
Speaker 4: talk to a domestic audience as much as they are
Speaker 4: to an international one. At the same time, you've got
Speaker 4: Israeli senior official saying, if Iran continues to attack us,
Speaker 4: we will attack them, and Iran saying, well, look, we
Speaker 4: will continue to defend ourselves. If we need to defend ourselves,
Speaker 4: that is our right. So so long, this war of
Speaker 4: words continues between all sides. But the clocking king, now
Speaker 4: it's over to Iran. What are they going to do? Essentially,
Speaker 4: Donald Trump has said to them, cop this on the chin,
Speaker 4: do not respond, take this blow and move on, come
Speaker 4: back and talk to US about not proceeding with a
Speaker 4: nuclear program, which is essentially is a line Iran does
Speaker 4: not want to cross. They've made that clear. So if
Speaker 4: that is a red line, but it's a red line
Speaker 4: the US wants a run to cross and they're not
Speaker 4: going to. Well, where does that leave it? Ultimately, it
Speaker 4: leaves it in the words of the US President, which
Speaker 4: means he said he's going to carry out more attacks.
Speaker 4: So if we don't see an end of this program,
Speaker 4: if we don't see a deal, ultimately he's warning of
Speaker 4: what he says will be tragedy. He is sending a
Speaker 4: message to the Ayatola who is in hiding, thought this
Speaker 4: out now, or we're coming for you.
Speaker 2: Yes, before this happened, we were talking on my program
Speaker 2: and I guess other places as well, about the unhappy
Speaker 2: people in Iran who presumably would like to see regime change.
Speaker 2: But the present administration reacts to any possibility of that
Speaker 2: happening so brutally. I don't know whether that's likely, Toker.
Speaker 2: You've got any thoughts on that.
Speaker 4: Well, I think after what we saw with Iraq and Afghanistan,
Speaker 4: I doubt you will ever see a US official call
Speaker 4: for regime change again. Because in both of those instances
Speaker 4: it did not work out well. It led to years
Speaker 4: and years of conflict. So while there might be some
Speaker 4: senior Israeli officials who are wondering a wandering around saying,
Speaker 4: you know, they're calling for regime change publicly, the line
Speaker 4: is going to be, no, they don't want to do.
Speaker 4: This isn't about regime change, because it's sending the wrong message.
Speaker 4: There are clearly people in Iran right now who are
Speaker 4: concerned about their own safety, of their own security because
Speaker 4: of the way that the regime has operated, threatening people,
Speaker 4: executing people, killing people, threatening their livelihoods. There are protests
Speaker 4: on the streets of Tehran, and there has been some
Speaker 4: suggestion that maybe, yes, this could ultimately wind up leading
Speaker 4: to regime change. But you're not going to see the
Speaker 4: United States president, vice president, or Defense secretary say anything
Speaker 4: about this being regime change. They have learnt the lessons
Speaker 4: of the past, but calling for that and calling for
Speaker 4: the removal of political figures inside another country publicly does
Speaker 4: not end well. And right now they're trying to walk
Speaker 4: a fine line between dropping fourteen bunker busting bombs on
Speaker 4: nuclear sites to try and find a past to some
Speaker 4: sort of stability. Now, this is a hugely pecurious situation
Speaker 4: in a predicament with Iram that is largely unprecedented. This
Speaker 4: is a deeply complex region, a deeply complex nation, and
Speaker 4: complex history. But right now they're trying to uncomplicate it all.
Speaker 4: They're trying to make it a very simple decision. Iran
Speaker 4: come to the deal, no more nuclear program and this
Speaker 4: all stops. If it doesn't, well then it's all.
Speaker 2: Jonathan. I do appreciate that update. Thank you for coming
Speaker 2: on the program this morning.
Speaker 4: Always good to talk to you at a business Thanks
Speaker 4: again for your time.
Speaker 2: Jonathan Kurzley nine's US correspondent, Chris from Engerdeen says, I
Speaker 2: think the North American public will support missiles, bombs, fighters,
Speaker 2: et cetera, but they will no longer support boots on
Speaker 2: the ground after the Iraq forever war, and so Chris
Speaker 2: sees it. Dave from canon Hill gade Da says him,
Speaker 2: I trust you well. Thank you. Years suggest if people
Speaker 2: don't want to hear labor rhetoric, they change channels. I
Speaker 2: don't mind a bit of disagreement, you know, it's sort
Speaker 2: of the old classic call in, you know, where people
Speaker 2: argued and disagree, They tend not to do that as
Speaker 2: much as they used to these days, and at least
Speaker 2: one listener who violently disagreed with call them oh yeah,
Speaker 2: said she appreciated the fact that we gave her a go, So,
Speaker 2: you know, I think we ought to do that, And
Speaker 2: says Mike, remember Labor only got a third of the
Speaker 2: primary vote, so we will continue to hold them to account,
Speaker 2: not that they give a damn. Yes, I know what
Speaker 2: you mean, and but they will eventually have to give
Speaker 2: a damn, you know, unless they totally change the situation.
Speaker 2: So we don't have a say at all. But if
Speaker 2: the coalition want to be relevant, they better lift their game.
Speaker 2: That's what I'd say. That's what i'd tell them, you know,
Speaker 2: if I went to the meetings. But I don't go
Speaker 2: to the meetings, Jason says, goody, Mike, Albow will be happy.
Speaker 2: The Mount I was a couple of minds finished due
Speaker 2: to high energy costs. Tommaguile, your minium has gone as well.
Speaker 2: Great for Albow. More people on welfare, the more people
Speaker 2: on welfare, the more votes for Albow. More net zero madness,
Speaker 2: says Jase. Yes, it's about time for me to get
Speaker 2: out of here. I know Ben Fordham has some plans.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen his running sheet, but I'm kind of
Speaker 2: guessing that there might be discussion about recent events in
Speaker 2: the Middle East. Anyway, Ben will be long after this
Speaker 2: news on two GB, and then Mark Levy after nine,
Speaker 2: and Peter Figan will be on shortly on four PC.
Speaker 2: Have a great week by for now.
Speaker 4: I just dropped in to see what condition my condition
Speaker 4: was in