WEBVTT - Parents lose fight against co-ed transition - Lucy Zelić questions Newington’s push 

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<v Speaker 1>On Sydney.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you can't handle the truth.

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<v Speaker 3>The straight shooters.

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<v Speaker 2>It's our straight shooter for a Wednesday. I've Lucy's lh

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<v Speaker 2>Lucy save me from the public transport system.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know that they can save themselves. Clinton.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this is just turning into.

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<v Speaker 4>Quite the catastrophe for them, isn't it. Not only is

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<v Speaker 4>it a public relations disaster, but it's also a disaster

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<v Speaker 4>on the ground for Sydney commuters and the fact that

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<v Speaker 4>this now, this piece of vital infrastructure in the city

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<v Speaker 4>is being mocked and it's suffering. Yeah, and it's that

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<v Speaker 4>it's also suffering some serious reputational damage to and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>and people being able to also just rely on it

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<v Speaker 4>as a you know, as a as a wonderful way

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<v Speaker 4>to get through the city and to be on time

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<v Speaker 4>and to not have to stare down the barrel of

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<v Speaker 4>potential industrial action. I mean that there's just there's so

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<v Speaker 4>many narratives around all of this, I think, which have

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<v Speaker 4>been so frustrating for commuterity to be.

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<v Speaker 2>For the Metro has been pretty reliable, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The Metro, it's been all right.

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<v Speaker 4>But I'm saying as a whole I think unfortunately all

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<v Speaker 4>being grouped into the one category.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Absolutely. Gary actually asked the question, doesn't the pause

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<v Speaker 2>in union work bands expY next month? So yeah, Garry's right.

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<v Speaker 2>The IC issued that ban effectively on industrial action through

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<v Speaker 2>until June, so I'll find the precise date now. The

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<v Speaker 2>Transport Minister was actually questioned about the negotiations with the

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<v Speaker 2>union today and he said, look, they're need no negotiating

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<v Speaker 2>on a daily basis.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think they're going to get this over the

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<v Speaker 1>line eventually? Clinton?

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, it's a militant unit.

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<v Speaker 1>So brace yourselves.

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<v Speaker 4>The anarchists are coming back to the floor and really

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<v Speaker 4>you've got to start relying on your e bike that's

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<v Speaker 4>hopefully not going to blow up in the middle of

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<v Speaker 4>the night because of the lithium batteries, or jump in

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<v Speaker 4>your car that's been fueled by some fossil fuels.

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<v Speaker 2>Phil says, bring back Gladys. Was Gladys.

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<v Speaker 4>I loved glad Yeah, and I thought she was fantastic in.

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<v Speaker 2>That these problems on Sydney's train network they've been they

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<v Speaker 2>go back decades and decades. Governments of all political persuasions

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<v Speaker 2>have failed on it. But yes, the coalition actually did

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<v Speaker 2>develop Metro and Metro does seem to be the answer.

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<v Speaker 2>Now there's been a significant court case today. A Newington

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<v Speaker 2>College student has lost a bid to challenge the school's

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<v Speaker 2>move to become a co ed. So from twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>six and this will be staged, boys and girls will

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<v Speaker 2>begin attending Newington. But there was a challenge in court.

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<v Speaker 2>We can't name the the student can only be referred

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<v Speaker 2>to as student aid. The student filed a lawsuit in

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<v Speaker 2>December of twenty twenty four and the case hinged on

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<v Speaker 2>terminology in the school's eighteen seventy three Deed of Identire

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<v Speaker 2>which the statement said that an efficient course of education

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<v Speaker 2>for youth and is limited the advancement of education of

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<v Speaker 2>boys and young men. However, a court has handed down

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<v Speaker 2>a judgment and it's found that the terminology was used

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<v Speaker 2>in a gender neutral sense, so they conclude effectively that

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<v Speaker 2>Newington can move towards co ed. Good thing or bad thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Look, I happen to DiscId agree with it purely on

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<v Speaker 4>the basis that I think that we've had co educational

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<v Speaker 4>and single sex schools exist for an extended period of

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<v Speaker 4>time now decades, and I think that if it works

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<v Speaker 4>and if it's something that students have a preference and

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<v Speaker 4>parents have a preference for, then it should be made

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<v Speaker 4>available to them. And we're not only talking about, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>just any.

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<v Speaker 1>Old school as well.

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<v Speaker 4>The fees of this particular school are also quite exorbitant

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<v Speaker 4>as well. If you're a parent and you've got a

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<v Speaker 4>child in either year eleven or twelve, you're paying upwards

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<v Speaker 4>of forty five thousand dollars a year. So parents who

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<v Speaker 4>know of Newington College have this expectation that it will

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<v Speaker 4>be a single sex and all boys school. Now, I

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<v Speaker 4>think that we've seen this kind of trend recently as well,

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<v Speaker 4>where there have been other schools across Sydney, and prestigious

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<v Speaker 4>Sydney schools as well, that will no longer have co

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<v Speaker 4>educational learning at their junior campuses, schools like Kinkopple as well,

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<v Speaker 4>which we know to be very prestigious. But I'm just

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<v Speaker 4>intrigued as to why there has been this shift against it,

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<v Speaker 4>because I think that we should have those offerings available

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<v Speaker 4>to students and to parents if they would prefer to

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<v Speaker 4>go to either a co ed or a single sex school.

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<v Speaker 2>I Ever, when it comes down to money, well, I

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<v Speaker 2>reckon that the man and I don't go to a

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<v Speaker 2>pride didn't get to a private school. My kids don't

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<v Speaker 2>get all private school my parents, my grandparents did. I'd

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<v Speaker 2>suggest it's the operators of the school of the opinion,

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<v Speaker 2>that to broaden their income base, they feel the need

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<v Speaker 2>to open up to both male and female students.

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<v Speaker 4>As if the private schools aren't already generating a hell

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<v Speaker 4>of a lot of money. Clinton, I mean, and again

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<v Speaker 4>it comes down to personal experience. I know we were

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<v Speaker 4>speaking to our producer Hannah earlier and she said that

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<v Speaker 4>she didn't very much enjoy her single sex, all girls

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<v Speaker 4>school experience. My sister went to an all girls school.

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<v Speaker 4>Her two daughters, my nieces go to all girls schools,

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<v Speaker 4>and they just love them. They really appreciate them well

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<v Speaker 4>they go.

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<v Speaker 2>So I went to public schools. But my public school

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<v Speaker 2>merged with a girls school for year eleven and twelve

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<v Speaker 2>and is now a co ed school. And I actually

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<v Speaker 2>loved it, not just because I do like girls, but

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<v Speaker 2>but because it for me personally, it lifted the standards

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<v Speaker 2>of the boys. The boys then actually I think, improve

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<v Speaker 2>their behavior and academically. It was more of a challenge

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<v Speaker 2>to have strong academic girls in our class.

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<v Speaker 4>It'd be interesting to see the metrics on that, wouldn't

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<v Speaker 4>it If it.

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<v Speaker 2>Does actually impact a lot of parents of daughters don't

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<v Speaker 2>believe it's good for their daughters.

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<v Speaker 4>All sons as well. They believe that the opposite sex

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<v Speaker 4>exactly that they can prove to be a bit of

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<v Speaker 4>a distraction. But I just I mean to your point

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<v Speaker 4>about it being financial, Okay, that's one, but you know,

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<v Speaker 4>with these particular institutions that have been known historically to

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<v Speaker 4>be single sex, I do find it interesting now that

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<v Speaker 4>they are going against their traditional ethos and the premise

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<v Speaker 4>of which their school and campuses and alumni have been

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<v Speaker 4>built upon, are now making this shift, and I think

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<v Speaker 4>it kind of denies parents that opportunity to be able

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<v Speaker 4>to send them to a school based on those particular preferences.

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<v Speaker 2>What's your view? Are you happy that the major GPS

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<v Speaker 2>schools like Newington, not all of them, but Newington certainly

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<v Speaker 2>is based on this court decision that now they handed down,

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<v Speaker 2>will go co ed. Let us know one eight seven

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<v Speaker 2>three is our number. Lucy zell atch Ow straight shoot

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<v Speaker 2>for a Wednesday afternoon just on the trains, and it

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<v Speaker 2>says bring back the monorail. I don't think they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to bring back the mone on the concord.

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<v Speaker 1>What else can we unearth?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, On schools, Bill says, I went to the Oberon

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<v Speaker 2>Central School. Apart from freezing my backside off, I did

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<v Speaker 2>pretty well good On your bill, Greg says, I'd like

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<v Speaker 2>to know who's paying for all the works at Newington

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<v Speaker 2>which would be required for the co ed school. They

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<v Speaker 2>will have to make.

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<v Speaker 4>Changes, absolutely, they'll have to make changes, so they'll have

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<v Speaker 4>to install female facilities, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 1>They'll have to go through all of that.

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<v Speaker 4>So whether that Clinton, as we said earlier, speaks to

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<v Speaker 4>your point about it being financial and they'd like to

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<v Speaker 4>broaden the scope, I would think, and judging by their

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<v Speaker 4>alumni as well, that money is something that this school

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<v Speaker 4>wouldn't be short on. As I said, I'm just more

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<v Speaker 4>intrigued as to whether it is solely financial law they're

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<v Speaker 4>motivated by something else in this particular area. I'd love

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<v Speaker 4>to know what the genuine reasons are.

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<v Speaker 2>Ben on the text line zero force x zero eight

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<v Speaker 2>seven three out seven three says traditionally women would not

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<v Speaker 2>allowed to vote at one point. Also, Ben's's move with

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<v Speaker 2>the times.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but Ben, that's not comparing like for like, So

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<v Speaker 4>what are we saying. I mean, a woman's right to

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<v Speaker 4>vote is a human right. A right to go to

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<v Speaker 4>an all boys school? I think that that's just ultimately

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<v Speaker 4>down to preference, right. If that's something that you choose,

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<v Speaker 4>and that's something that you would like to do, I

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<v Speaker 4>think that you should have that option available to you,

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<v Speaker 4>particularly at an institution that has been known historically for

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<v Speaker 4>being an all boys or all girls' school.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm getting more messages on this now coming in. Mari says,

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<v Speaker 2>how can a reference to young boys be gender neutral?

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<v Speaker 2>Give me a break?

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<v Speaker 1>That's for that, I know, right?

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<v Speaker 4>And how the court and how did the court come

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<v Speaker 4>to that determination? I mean, I oftentimes we get sucked

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<v Speaker 4>into semantics around this when it comes to the law.

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<v Speaker 4>But I just thought that, you know, the interpretation of

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<v Speaker 4>youth being gender neutral versus the reference of boys and men,

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<v Speaker 4>and that apparently not being you know that also then

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<v Speaker 4>being gender neutral is very bizarre.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you were fired up today about climate cancer. What's

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<v Speaker 2>climate cancer? I've not heard of that one.

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<v Speaker 4>I try, I'm trying so desperately to say this with

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<v Speaker 4>a straight face. It is such an absurd story. And

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<v Speaker 4>let me be clear on this right And I'm by

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<v Speaker 4>no stretch of the imagination of climate denier, but by

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<v Speaker 4>no means am I also a replica of Greta Tunberg

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<v Speaker 4>who believed five years ago that the world was going

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<v Speaker 4>to be on fire. Remember her interview that she gave

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<v Speaker 4>or her it was like a press conference and where

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<v Speaker 4>she was kind of attacking everybody and saying.

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<v Speaker 1>How dare you? I mean, it was just all so ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 1>Could we be doing more?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sure, But I am someone that a is a

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<v Speaker 4>big fan of nuclear energy. I think it is a

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<v Speaker 4>step in the right direction. B I think that climate

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<v Speaker 4>change and.

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<v Speaker 1>Its references in so many areas.

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<v Speaker 4>That just are downright disrespectful or just out of place

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<v Speaker 4>entirely are becoming the norm now, and that's a really

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<v Speaker 4>big problem. So in this particular instance, there was a

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<v Speaker 4>study that was released via some researchers in Egypt which

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<v Speaker 4>analyzed the rates of breast, cervical, ovarian, and uterine cancers

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<v Speaker 4>in seventeen Middle Eastern countries and compared them to rising

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<v Speaker 4>temperatures over time. I just found it to be pretty

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<v Speaker 4>ridiculous because they argued that they found that for every

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<v Speaker 4>one degree celsius, which translates to one point eight degrees

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<v Speaker 4>fahrenheit temperatures increased. Cases of the four cancers on average

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<v Speaker 4>increased by up to two hundred and eighty per one

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<v Speaker 4>hundred thousand people over the last twenty years. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>you could find causality in anything if you desperately.

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<v Speaker 1>Looked for it.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like it's almost like referencing, Oh, the number of

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<v Speaker 4>children who grow up to not believe in Santa rise

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<v Speaker 4>over time. Well, yeah, because they grow up and they

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<v Speaker 4>realize that Santa doesn't exist, and it's just a slap

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<v Speaker 4>in the face to you know what. Some of the

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<v Speaker 4>real issues going on with cancer and.

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<v Speaker 1>Its causalities are.

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<v Speaker 4>They're not choosing to factor in the rise in cancers

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<v Speaker 4>due to poor dietary health, due to a number of

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<v Speaker 4>other reasons, over reliance on pharmaceuticals, poor lifestyle choices as well.

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<v Speaker 1>The fact that.

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<v Speaker 4>They're trying to link this to climate change I think

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<v Speaker 4>is very insulting. And both my mother and my sister

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<v Speaker 4>are survivors of cancer, thank goodness. My mother in law,

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<v Speaker 4>who we lost very sadly just after four days after Christmas,

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<v Speaker 4>was not But we're not living in extreme and exorbitant temperatures.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, my family has grown up in Canberra, which

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<v Speaker 4>typically is quite cold over the winter months. So this argument,

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<v Speaker 4>I think is not only insulting, but it's just plain dumb.

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<v Speaker 2>I look yesterday, I mentioned this on the Pragmum yesterday,

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<v Speaker 2>the Lock the Gate organization, and they are very well,

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<v Speaker 2>they're quite a militant environmental group. They put them it

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<v Speaker 2>really saut and said the mid North closed floods which

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<v Speaker 2>I witnessed on Monday, were the cause of the Albanese

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<v Speaker 2>government approving more commins.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my, oh gosh, what about do you.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember when I'm actually not anti clim the climate is

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<v Speaker 2>changing that there's a question whether how much human involvement

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<v Speaker 2>is the cause of that. But if the Albanezy government

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<v Speaker 2>did not approve those coal mines, the floods would still occurred.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, I'm not going to change that. We're talking

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<v Speaker 2>change over generations.

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<v Speaker 4>And this is where the conversation gets very immature and

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<v Speaker 4>nonsensical and irrational. And I genuinely believe I mean, you

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<v Speaker 4>call the militant, and they are in many respects, but

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<v Speaker 4>I do believe that it causes some of these genuine

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<v Speaker 4>organizations who have some legitimate claims about the climate changing,

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<v Speaker 4>et cetera.

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<v Speaker 1>And what we could be doing more.

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<v Speaker 4>It causes them harm and it really detracts from their

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<v Speaker 4>messaging and their validity in those messages.

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<v Speaker 2>Wednesday Straight Shitter with Lucy's Zilich seventy three on the

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<v Speaker 2>issue of co ed school and co ed private schools,

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<v Speaker 2>Dean has a thought get the Dean.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, gooday, guys. Look, when boys only schools go co eds,

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<v Speaker 3>then the girls only schools doesn't follow suit in a

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<v Speaker 3>local LGA area, you then put boys in the area

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<v Speaker 3>at a disadvantage. You're limiting the boys' options of private

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<v Speaker 3>education in a local area.

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<v Speaker 4>I agree, Dean, and that's why I think that those

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<v Speaker 4>choices should be made available to them, especially for institutions

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<v Speaker 4>that have always historically been say, for example, all boys

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<v Speaker 4>or all girls. I just think it's a very limiting decision,

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<v Speaker 4>and I think it's not a fair one either.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Dean. This message from one of our listeners on

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<v Speaker 2>the text line zero four zero eight, seventh grade seven three.

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<v Speaker 2>I have one son at Newington, three daughters at a

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<v Speaker 2>similarly prestigious girls school. My husband and I both went

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<v Speaker 2>to public high schools that were co ed. We're making

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<v Speaker 2>choices for our children. Our decisions were based entirely on

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<v Speaker 2>academic and co curricular activities on offer, not gender. We

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<v Speaker 2>would have been thrilled at least to have the choice

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<v Speaker 2>of a co ed private school in our area, the

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<v Speaker 2>caliber of those sort of schools, So I think choice

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<v Speaker 2>is important.

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<v Speaker 4>Of course, choice is important, and that's what I think

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<v Speaker 4>the underpinning messages in all of this. You want to

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<v Speaker 4>be able to have the choice to send them to

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<v Speaker 4>either a co ed or a single sex school. And

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<v Speaker 4>by limiting people you know and limiting those options available

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<v Speaker 4>to them, I think it's just proving to be a disservice.

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<v Speaker 2>Now Anthony Alberanezi has made some comments in Brismon today,

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<v Speaker 2>I reckon they get your fired up. Have listened to this.

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<v Speaker 5>Just a fun fact that's been drawn to my attention

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<v Speaker 5>is that there are more women whose name begins with

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<v Speaker 5>A in the Labor Party caucus in the House of Representatives.

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<v Speaker 5>Ten then there will be nine coalition women on the

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<v Speaker 5>floor of the House of Representatives in the Liberal Party

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<v Speaker 5>and the National Party. Combined with Anika here, Anna Lee

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<v Speaker 5>Ailey France is Alisha Payne, Alice Jordan, Baird, ash Ambaha

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<v Speaker 5>Paha and Stanley, Alison Burns and er Kat and Amanda Rishworth,

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<v Speaker 5>the a's have it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh God, this is cringey.

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<v Speaker 4>Was anyone else just listening to this and thinking, this

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<v Speaker 4>is the prime minister of our country and this is

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<v Speaker 4>something that he has chosen to chosen to get himself

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<v Speaker 4>wrapped up in. This is what he's getting himself whipped

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<v Speaker 4>up over and again. It's all just to try and

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<v Speaker 4>smear the Liberal Party and try to get them to

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<v Speaker 4>live in that murkiness and that tag that of course

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<v Speaker 4>was championed by the Gillard government, who we know all

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<v Speaker 4>infamously delivered Julia Gillard that he has delivered that infamous

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<v Speaker 4>misogyny speech. But she also happens to be the same

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<v Speaker 4>first female prime minister that introduced gender identity into the

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<v Speaker 4>Sex Discrimination Act in twenty thirteen. So when you go

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<v Speaker 4>to the toilets, or you compete in your local girls

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<v Speaker 4>team and you see boys either coming into those bathrooms

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<v Speaker 4>or playing in your team, you can thank the greatest

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<v Speaker 4>feminist fraud.

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<v Speaker 1>In history, Julia Gillard for that. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>The left Arm of Government, State of Origin. One Tonight,

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<v Speaker 2>Suncott Stadium, Brisbane, The Queensland is up against New South Wales.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you were you grew up in the Act.

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<v Speaker 4>HM.

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<v Speaker 2>Does that mean you are neutral? No?

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<v Speaker 4>No, Well I'm a big New South Wales supporter right

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<v Speaker 4>and I think it's only largely because that's the closest

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<v Speaker 4>kind of of the two, that's the closest to us,

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<v Speaker 4>so we will always be championing for them to win.

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<v Speaker 2>Mark Levy with state of origin. He's calling his first

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<v Speaker 2>origin match tonight. You're hearing V Lucy. You'll be back

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<v Speaker 2>next week.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you mate.