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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Elliot Exchange, our podcast where we talk
Speaker 3: about the quirks of marriage, parenting, and putting.
Speaker 2: Up with someone who insists Hawaiian shirts are actually fashionable.
Speaker 3: Hi there, Tom, Hello Elise.
Speaker 2: We've got an exciting episode. We're talking about temperature in
Speaker 2: the house. What setting do you like it at? Also
Speaker 2: jobs of the future? Are our jobs at risk? And solitude?
Speaker 2: Do humans really need to be all by themselves?
Speaker 3: But of course first we have an email from Daphne,
Speaker 3: so I think is a lady and you can send
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Speaker 3: Daphne says his winter settles in my husband and I
Speaker 3: sounds like the Queen and the Christmas mess and.
Speaker 2: My beloved Philip.
Speaker 3: My husband and I have an ongoing fight about the
Speaker 3: temperature in our house. I run cold, he runs hot.
Speaker 3: Do you guys have this issue in your house? Who wins?
Speaker 3: How do you manage it? This is not an uncommon thing.
Speaker 2: This is a very common theme.
Speaker 3: Because apparently and I looked into this women's bodies prioritize
Speaker 3: the protection of the internal organs more than men, and
Speaker 3: it's something to do with having a baby and that
Speaker 3: sort of thing. And so mean, by and large don't
Speaker 3: feel the cold nearly as much as women, And so
Speaker 3: hence you get this fight with do we have the
Speaker 3: heavy doner, do we have the heating turned up to
Speaker 3: twenty fourre do we destroy the environment or do you
Speaker 3: just put on a a pair of thick socks and
Speaker 3: gloves in the house.
Speaker 2: I am so with Daphne on this. I love the house,
Speaker 2: said it a really sort of balmy twenty nine degrees.
Speaker 2: I would if I could. I love being warm and
Speaker 2: toasty inside. You are the extreme opposite. You're a cold man, Tom.
Speaker 3: I have a warm heart, but I can tolerate lots
Speaker 3: of cold. So I'm quite heavy walking around in the
Speaker 3: snow with shorts on.
Speaker 1: That is it?
Speaker 2: Because you don't feel anything I can.
Speaker 3: I do, And I see I can sense that other
Speaker 3: people feel the cold, but it just doesn't worry me.
Speaker 3: I think it's brisk and it keeps the blood flowing.
Speaker 2: So, for example, today is particularly chili Dane Melbourne and
Speaker 2: Hawaiian shirt and shorts.
Speaker 3: Well Today's not that cold. So the other morning, well,
Speaker 3: I'm just saying the other morning when I left home
Speaker 3: it was two degrees celsius two and what we're wearing
Speaker 3: Hawaiian shirt and shorts, and that's the two above freezing.
Speaker 3: In fact, it felt like freezing.
Speaker 2: There's an element of android about what would you say
Speaker 2: that because you don't feel the cold?
Speaker 3: Well, well, there's a dutch Man who I'm once interviewed
Speaker 3: called whim Hoff, and he does things like he climbs
Speaker 3: a mound everys just wearing a pair.
Speaker 2: Of shorts and is he just talks about it being
Speaker 2: a matter of fortitude.
Speaker 3: Yes, And the latest trend in health is to have
Speaker 3: an ice bath each day, which I like the look of.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you'd quite like that. But there's an element
Speaker 2: of self flagellation in the is that that appeals to you?
Speaker 2: But look that the house thing is a real conundrum.
Speaker 2: So what do couples do? Do you set on midway?
Speaker 2: I think you could comfortably live in house. It's at
Speaker 2: about sixteen seventy perfect.
Speaker 3: Look, I think if you can see your breath temperature
Speaker 3: is about right. What about what cars are in bed?
Speaker 3: If you can see that's right? And you what about
Speaker 3: what about what cars have done? So you now have
Speaker 3: not just heating, but you have heated seats.
Speaker 2: And I test drove a Mercedes AMG GT and it
Speaker 2: was convertible and it has a neck heater. It's called
Speaker 2: the next gars, right, and so it blows heat around
Speaker 2: your neck as you're driving.
Speaker 3: So we have this weird thing. Of course, least like
Speaker 3: we could drive to the snow and on the way down,
Speaker 3: I'll turn on the EIR conditioning because I've so enjoyed
Speaker 3: the sub zero.
Speaker 2: Team, and you do that after surfing when we have
Speaker 2: it here. There's nothing quite like trying to peel off
Speaker 2: a wet, freezing wet suit and you're hop in the
Speaker 2: car and you have the air cone on.
Speaker 3: So I think after the answer is there is no answer,
Speaker 3: but you can rest assured that you are not alone.
Speaker 3: And there are even companies now which will do things
Speaker 3: like you can have a Douner which is quite literally
Speaker 3: thick on one side and thin on the other.
Speaker 2: That's great.
Speaker 3: Or if you don't have a modern car and you
Speaker 3: can afford one, you get one with heated seats and
Speaker 3: your husband can keep his seats off. In fact, you
Speaker 3: can even get seats which your air conditioned now.
Speaker 2: So you could go air condition seats heated hot seat.
Speaker 2: So there you go. It's another another battle of the
Speaker 2: sex as we haven't solved now lis.
Speaker 3: Donald Trump is trying to reindustrialize America. You know, he's
Speaker 3: imposing tariffs on everyone, and he wants all the cars
Speaker 3: and the steel Billy Joel sang about that and wants
Speaker 3: all the jobs to come back to America. That's right,
Speaker 3: iPhones made in America. They're going across like five thousand
Speaker 3: US dollars each, but they'll be made in the USA.
Speaker 3: But it does beg the question about jobs of the future.
Speaker 3: And I was talking to our daughter about this because
Speaker 3: you know, fairly soon she's going to start picking her
Speaker 3: final subjects for school. And then that leads into what
Speaker 3: if anything, you might study at university, and I thought,
Speaker 3: you know, like, what are the jobs of the future.
Speaker 3: For example, some people are saying AI is going to
Speaker 3: kill everything that you won't need lawyers or accountants anymore.
Speaker 3: AI will do that. You won't need people who write
Speaker 3: write stuff like advertising copywriting people. AI will do that.
Speaker 3: People who write plans for think AI will do that.
Speaker 3: You know, graphic artists. AI will do that.
Speaker 2: Have it designing home so your architects as well, and scriptwriters, yes,
Speaker 2: I mean what about nuance though? And humor?
Speaker 3: Well, I think AI is going to do that too.
Speaker 3: Like in the Second Terminator movie where the Arnold Schwarzenegger
Speaker 3: terminator is the good Terminator. He's all banged up, you know,
Speaker 3: it has been shot several times by the Red Eye.
Speaker 3: Only goes I need a vacation. He's learning. It'd be funny.
Speaker 2: That's about as funny as Arnold gets.
Speaker 3: Isn't It is very funny?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So look, I think AI is a threat so
Speaker 2: much so. Look I signed up for one of those
Speaker 2: little courses, you know, AI for over a certain.
Speaker 3: Age and got AI for Dummies or something.
Speaker 2: There was an age thing in there and I lasted
Speaker 2: two days because it was stultifying.
Speaker 3: Well, but see, the issue is is that you can
Speaker 3: you can take the view that AI like. Let's see,
Speaker 3: if you put it in terms of students, AI is
Speaker 3: probably a C to a B student of best. But
Speaker 3: if you want to be a grade, you're still there
Speaker 3: a person. But see the problem is not everybody is
Speaker 3: a grade, and it's the people who aren't a grade
Speaker 3: in terms of their creativity or whatever who might struggle
Speaker 3: with AI. And then I think, well, you know, if
Speaker 3: your toilet gets blocked, AI can't fix that, correct.
Speaker 2: So it's really interesting. The government were toying with perhaps
Speaker 2: an inheritance taxes, and they were saying one reason they
Speaker 2: were doing that is because a lot of white collar
Speaker 2: jobs will be gone with AI and they need taxes
Speaker 2: from somewhere. But they said blue collar jobs will never
Speaker 2: be replaced by AI. So further mo are to your
Speaker 2: point about the toilet, So.
Speaker 3: Buy you yeah, or a pickup truck, buy a big
Speaker 3: box full of tools. Do an apprenticeship. And apprenticeships are fantastic,
Speaker 3: you know, you do one with building and they say, right,
Speaker 3: you're the apprentice. Go down to the hardware shop and
Speaker 3: buy the left handed hammer. We need one. You know,
Speaker 3: you go down and make a full We'll go and
Speaker 3: buy a tin of stripe you paint. We need that
Speaker 3: to Where's that? That's what That's what builders do with
Speaker 3: the apprentice. And now you get to have a like
Speaker 3: a like a hot dog and a sort of energy
Speaker 3: drink for.
Speaker 2: Breakfast every morning, and things like gardeners.
Speaker 3: Gardening a cart. Do the builders, Well, there is a
Speaker 3: machine in fact, there is a company called Something Robotics
Speaker 3: which is built a brick laying machine, and it's a machine.
Speaker 3: You can lay the bricks better and quicker than a human.
Speaker 3: Can we now?
Speaker 2: Beautiful segue and cue the sad music for Tom's really tough.
Speaker 1: Two weeks of his life stoky bricks.
Speaker 3: We never quite It was three weeks and it started
Speaker 3: five in the morning. And this was in nineteen eighty
Speaker 3: nine at middle when we didn't have robots and AI.
Speaker 3: This is your one sort of touch, No no. I
Speaker 3: did a lot of laboring jobs and my role in
Speaker 3: brick stacking. So the bricks would come out of the
Speaker 3: kill and they sit outside for two days and a
Speaker 3: loose stacked to cool off, and then we'd bring them
Speaker 3: in and we had to stack them into the smaller
Speaker 3: stack that would go out to building size. That's all
Speaker 3: done by machines now, but back then we were the machines.
Speaker 3: And after one week, yes, one, they said would you
Speaker 3: like to be the leading hand? I said, what does
Speaker 3: that mean? He said, well, you get to wear the
Speaker 3: tool belt and you get to operate the strapping machine.
Speaker 2: Oh that sounds fainly, yeah, interesting.
Speaker 3: And I said, why did you pick me? And he
Speaker 3: said you speak English.
Speaker 2: Was this the same job where you were handed the
Speaker 2: keys to the little pickup strike and you pierced a box?
Speaker 3: That was That was a different job. That was where
Speaker 3: I was working in a warehouse and they said, can
Speaker 3: you drive a forklift driven one? And this is why
Speaker 3: I me and often get given jobs because they lie
Speaker 3: about what they can actually do. And sure there are
Speaker 3: sort of instructions and all the levers about what you're
Speaker 3: supposed to do, but they'd worn off and so I
Speaker 3: had to move. I had to get a box off
Speaker 3: a palette and put it up a thing, and instead
Speaker 3: of the fork things going down, I had them going
Speaker 3: straight ahead and they punch. They punched through the box.
Speaker 3: And it turns out there was a color TV inside
Speaker 3: the box. I just no one saw it. So I
Speaker 3: just take the box up and then just drove the
Speaker 3: forklift away and pretended I hadn't seen it.
Speaker 2: Put it in what you thought was reversed.
Speaker 3: And I do apologize to Lynn Fox Logistics, And.
Speaker 2: Have you admitted that to him before?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: And mya who's who? I think we were delivering the
Speaker 3: TV on behalf of But if a customer complained thirty
Speaker 3: six years ago.
Speaker 1: It was my faul for I think stick to radio.
Speaker 1: Do you like that's coming from?
Speaker 3: Well it's a bit sad, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Well, apparently humans do need solitude. Being alone can actually
Speaker 2: make you happy, according to Daniel Schreiber. He believes the
Speaker 2: correlation between people living alone without a partner and being
Speaker 2: lonely has traditionally been well, will we say underestimated, because
Speaker 2: apparently it is quite good for you. Now, you love
Speaker 2: alone time you go into your man cave and I
Speaker 2: reckon you. If you could, you'd put an electric fence
Speaker 2: around your man cave.
Speaker 3: You're a force field.
Speaker 2: Well, they're all sort of is a force field. I
Speaker 2: tried to come in last night, Hi, dying, and he
Speaker 2: says busy. You actually said to me I'm busy.
Speaker 3: Well, it was.
Speaker 2: Too busy to say hi, darling.
Speaker 3: Well I was in the middle of something very complex.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And if.
Speaker 3: You break the train of thought, it means I have
Speaker 3: to start again. So you know.
Speaker 2: Look, I think if you lead a busy life, talking
Speaker 2: a lot, dealing with a lot of people, which you
Speaker 2: and I both do, solitude is a lovely respite. But
Speaker 2: I don't think there's one size fits all. If you're
Speaker 2: in a very very lonely job, or are a lonely person.
Speaker 2: Maybe solitude ism for you are that well.
Speaker 3: But seely some people are insanely social, and I mean
Speaker 3: they have to be around other people all the time.
Speaker 3: They're always talking to other people. They're not comfortable just
Speaker 3: with their own company. Other people are quite happy to
Speaker 3: have a mixture of things. Like I spent a lot
Speaker 3: of my week, you know, talking to lots of people
Speaker 3: and whatever, and then outside that time, I'd like to
Speaker 3: just decompress, be by myself, not necessarily be physically alone,
Speaker 3: but just just to have some time where I don't
Speaker 3: have to rehash the problems of the world. And I
Speaker 3: remember my predecessor on radio, a man called Darren Hinch.
Speaker 2: Thank your Mother for the Rabbits That's.
Speaker 3: Life aka the Human Headline. Darren had a number of relationships.
Speaker 3: You won't mind me saying this because it's all on
Speaker 3: the record, but one that I remember was he and
Speaker 3: his then partner lived in the same apartment block in Melbourne,
Speaker 3: but in separate apartments on separate floors of the building,
Speaker 3: and they thought that was fantastic. I could go and
Speaker 3: see each other and do whatever they do. And then
Speaker 3: they retreat to their their own space.
Speaker 2: You're suggesting you would like this.
Speaker 3: No, I'm just saying for him it helps their relationship.
Speaker 2: Is how it starts, isn't it. When you start you
Speaker 2: buy me a little granny flat for me to move into.
Speaker 2: So look, you, I think I think you prefer being
Speaker 2: alone more than I do. I love human company.
Speaker 3: Really, yes, twenty four to seven.
Speaker 2: Look, the only time I like solitude is when I'm surfing,
Speaker 2: so that's that's my alone time.
Speaker 3: But if the Noah's Ark comes, you want lots of
Speaker 3: other people to be out there, because you know means
Speaker 3: if the shark attacks, yeah, yeah, if it's just you,
Speaker 3: you're the target. If other people are out there, you've
Speaker 3: got more of a chance of surviving.
Speaker 2: There is that. But I prefer the company of humans,
Speaker 2: So I think I just have to accept that you
Speaker 2: have a force field.
Speaker 3: For example, I'm quite happy sitting in say a cafe,
Speaker 3: just having a meal by myself.
Speaker 2: I always admire people who can sit alone in a cafe,
Speaker 2: even without a phone, and just asi and look into
Speaker 2: the distance like some intriguing.
Speaker 3: Per think about what might have been maybe.
Speaker 2: Reade watering heights sort of ramp up their intriguing scale. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so look, I think I kind of get it, maybe
Speaker 2: a little bit of bit of quiet time, but I
Speaker 2: think in forced loneliness is a sad thing. Tom gyms
Speaker 2: and clothing. I'd like to say I have come a
Speaker 2: long way from the eighties where we used to wear
Speaker 2: fluorescent g string leotards over shiny pants, maybe a little
Speaker 2: fetching headband with matching wristbands. Allah, Let's Get Physical white
Speaker 2: a sexy film clip.
Speaker 3: I gotta say, Olivia Neutron.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the second album I owned, after Michael
Speaker 2: Jackson Off the Wall and Stevie Wonder Master Blaster. I
Speaker 2: had a living in John Let's Get Physical. It was very,
Speaker 2: very hot.
Speaker 3: Well there was. There was actually an atteamp to try
Speaker 3: and sex up Olivia a bit, particularly in America, and
Speaker 3: that's why that that that song was produced. But when
Speaker 3: I remember being quite influenced by the one hit Wonder,
Speaker 3: British band called Wright said tread sexy form, I love
Speaker 3: loves going to leave with Iron too sexy because they were,
Speaker 3: and I have to say I owned one.
Speaker 2: You did not? Yes, did you own a Mesh singer?
Speaker 2: What color mesh?
Speaker 3: Did?
Speaker 1: I ask?
Speaker 3: Black? Did you wear the gym. I did with what
Speaker 3: what with? What with perish?
Speaker 2: How short?
Speaker 3: Well they were relatively short, but they were quite cut
Speaker 3: up at the thigh.
Speaker 2: Don't fair this? What year? Please? Oh?
Speaker 3: That would have been well if it was right, said Fred.
Speaker 3: There has to be nineteen ninety one or thereabouts, because
Speaker 3: that's when they came out. They did have an underpart lining,
Speaker 3: but it's they've taken a.
Speaker 2: Bit of a did you wear irony or seriously no seriousness?
Speaker 2: And how did you think you looked in that?
Speaker 3: Quite smart iran? The the only one. Only time I
Speaker 3: ran a marathon, I would not wear a meshing, No,
Speaker 3: but I wore I wore a pair of sort of
Speaker 3: tight shorts, like made out of spandex. And because it
Speaker 3: was the late eighties that you know, it had a
Speaker 3: pink panel, a green panel, a fluorescent yellow panel, and
Speaker 3: an orange panel, and I thought that would look smart
Speaker 3: in the running race.
Speaker 2: So back to the meshing, like, did you pick up
Speaker 2: anyone at the gym?
Speaker 3: No? Well, some men thought it was quite interesting, but
Speaker 3: that wasn't my pert target market. Of course, it's all
Speaker 3: legal these days, but when you look about what people
Speaker 3: wear like, I also remember in the early nineties Andre
Speaker 3: Agassy was playing at Wimbledon and he said he didn't
Speaker 3: want to wear all white, and the all England Tennis
Speaker 3: clubs is you have to wear all white. And when
Speaker 3: he walked after his first match, but it's like, what
Speaker 3: is he going to wear? And he came out head
Speaker 3: to toe pure white, not even not even you know,
Speaker 3: a piping or anything that was a different color. So
Speaker 3: he went all the way of wearing fluorescent colors and
Speaker 3: things and say I'm going to wear all white. And
Speaker 3: of course the old days in tennis they still wear
Speaker 3: long trousers and ladies would wear dresses when they played,
Speaker 3: so you know, not to distract the audience by showing
Speaker 3: them a finally turned ankle or anything. So you know,
Speaker 3: what about what about the high wasted leotar. Now that's
Speaker 3: a look that probably shouldn't.
Speaker 2: Come back, yea, even in the high cutlets.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jane Fonder style them.
Speaker 1: You know you're breeding club or.
Speaker 2: I think that's coming back. Seven bathies, my.
Speaker 3: Cup bait Jane Fonder, he's eighty five or something.
Speaker 2: The young folks today like to wear is shot shorts
Speaker 2: in lycra because the booty is really very much a focus.
Speaker 3: About the sock ling. So I'm trying to push for
Speaker 3: long socks again and I've been wearing them around the place.
Speaker 2: Is that trend taking off? No, you're trying valiantly.
Speaker 3: You are trying the fact that you can still buy
Speaker 3: them proves that there is a market for them.
Speaker 2: So do you think we should have gym police when
Speaker 2: it comes to clothing?
Speaker 3: Well, there was a woman who was kicked off in
Speaker 3: an American airline because she wore basically gym gear like
Speaker 3: it wasn't much more than a bra top.
Speaker 2: And that's a whole separate But in the gyms.
Speaker 3: In the gym, I think, you know, as long as
Speaker 3: you're comfortable and not displaying leaving something to the imagination,
Speaker 3: that's that's.
Speaker 2: Surely too vague. I think whatever people are comfortable training in,
Speaker 2: and people shouldn't be perving anyway.
Speaker 3: Well, gym that point. There's a girl in the UK's
Speaker 3: in Australia.
Speaker 2: Many people you follow, I follow.
Speaker 3: Some strange people.
Speaker 2: This girl the hot skipper you follow? Yeah, she's not
Speaker 2: skipper as in.
Speaker 3: She's as jump jumping. She's fantastic.
Speaker 2: You follow her.
Speaker 3: She took up skipping during the pandemic.
Speaker 2: And now I've been coming in and you're watching her
Speaker 2: when I when I break through the force field into
Speaker 2: your study, you are watching a lot of her videos.
Speaker 3: She's the world's skipper. She has made millions of dollars
Speaker 3: or pounds through doing skipping routines. This other girl, she's
Speaker 3: a build up and I think she wear.
Speaker 2: A tool belt with what was that thing you had
Speaker 2: to have as.
Speaker 3: Well the the tool belt with the strapping machine?
Speaker 2: She got a strapping machine.
Speaker 3: I don't know, okay, But the point is her coworkers
Speaker 3: on a hot day take their shirts off, and she says,
Speaker 3: she reckons that it's only fair that she be allowed
Speaker 3: to do building topless on the building side, and she's
Speaker 3: taking them to court. Now, no, this is not a gym,
Speaker 3: But to be honest, she might win because if her
Speaker 3: male co workers are allowed to go to topless on
Speaker 3: the building, so what about her anyway, she's arguing for that.
Speaker 3: But no, no, I think in gym's you know, look,
Speaker 3: I The only other thing I would say there is,
Speaker 3: if you're going to wear lots of super tight clothes,
Speaker 3: you've sort of got to have the physique to carry
Speaker 3: it off.
Speaker 2: Judge that we like, what was it a weight thing?
Speaker 2: Is it a rolls thing. Are you conting?
Speaker 3: There's a variety of ways of looking at it. Look,
Speaker 3: I've seen, you know, friends who have to remain nameless,
Speaker 3: who you think they look better than what they do.
Speaker 3: And they're mammals, middle aged men and lycra and they
Speaker 3: stuff themselves into their you know, two of the France
Speaker 3: Likera gear to ride down to the beach and back
Speaker 3: on a weekend. And I mean, I feel like saying
Speaker 3: to them, Look, you know, maybe when you were twenty
Speaker 3: five that would have looked okay. Now you're fifty five
Speaker 3: and it doesn't. And even though you can afford it,
Speaker 3: and I know you want to pretend that you're in
Speaker 3: the tour of the France and you might have been
Speaker 3: going to France next year to watch it and so forth.
Speaker 2: While you're eating a bagette and bollive wine.
Speaker 3: Doesn't mean it's appropriate to wear it.
Speaker 2: How about that, Tom, I'm still recovering from the vision
Speaker 2: of you in a mesh similar at the gym.
Speaker 3: Bring it back, bring it well. Sadly, it's one of
Speaker 3: those items of clothing that I no longer have.
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