S1: Hey there. I'm Osborne Fruity. And this is The Drop,
S1: a culture show from the Sydney Morning Herald and The
S1: Age where we dive into the latest in the world
S1: of pop culture and entertainment. I'm here with Thomas Mitchell
S1: and Mel Cambrai. Folks, we're recording this podcast the day
S1: before the Emmy nominations are announced. Maybe bad timing. Maybe
S1: we should have waited another day. But things are as
S1: they are. Are you guys big Emmy people? What do
S1: you think it fits in in terms of the awards?
S2: For me, it's probably like slightly after the Dally M
S2: and Brown lows, but before the Logies. Like writing. That's
S2: right in that sweet spot where it doesn't take it
S2: tells too seriously, but it's not quite, you know, as
S2: strange as the Logies can be. Yeah. The Emmys, I
S2: think is like a funny one. Like if I was
S2: to think of off the top of my head, like,
S2: What's my favorite Emmys moment? Like nothing comes to mind.
S2: Whereas like, you know, Oscars and Globes have those kind
S2: of moments we've all seen and loved. So yeah, but
S2: I always watch it.
S3: Yeah, they all do kind of blur into each other,
S3: particularly I found during the Covid years when they were
S3: all a bit odd and not very fun. But I
S3: do quite like the Emmys. I think I like the
S3: Golden Globes best because I like that they're always secondary
S3: in in status and prestige to the Academy Awards. So
S3: there always seems to be an unhinged, unhinged going. That's
S3: not a word, but there always seems to be some
S3: level of kind of craziness at the Golden Globes. I
S3: don't think you get it at the Academy Awards, which
S3: are a bit more stuffy. And then, yeah, the Emmys,
S3: I feel, don't really have a distinct style. I quite
S3: like the Grammys, though, or the performances, and the pop
S3: stars are always a bit wild. And the actors.
S1: Yeah, the Emmys ceremony seems to be one of the
S1: most boring out of all the kind of big entertainment ones.
S1: But I think it's become more interesting in the last
S1: few years when we've had this explosion of prestige TV,
S1: and we are really interested in seeing actually interesting actors
S1: and see who will win those big awards. I feel
S1: like when I was growing up, the Emmys were like
S1: 20 years in a row. It's the same. It's like
S1: Frasier and then it's friends, and then, you know, then
S1: it's the Big Bang Theory. It's just like those network
S1: comedies and dramas that ran on and on. Whereas now
S1: it's a bit like the White Lotus versus succession. Like,
S1: I am curious to see who wins in those sorts
S1: of battles.
S2: Do you think if you're an actor in Hollywood, you
S2: still like, I feel like the Globes still have a
S2: bit more prestige. Like if you're if you're a TV actor,
S2: you want to win the Golden Globe over the Emmy.
S1: I think I wonder whether that changed in the last
S1: couple of years with the whole furore around the Globes
S1: being basically like a crooked organization. And when Tom Cruise
S1: hands back his Golden Globe, really what is the what
S1: is the value of the globe? Yeah.
S2: Tom Cruise famously of perfect character.
S3: So that's your mate. You have a photo with him, right?
S2: No. Yeah. This week. I don't like Tom Cruise last week.
S2: I love Tom Cruise.
S1: I mean, I actually heard a little a little bit
S1: of Goss on that. So Tom Cruise famously when the
S1: Golden Globes, the Hollywood Foreign Press Association, which sadly no
S1: longer exists, was was under this cloud for how they
S1: ran that operation. And Tom Cruise said very famous he
S1: was going to return his Golden Globe. I heard from
S1: a Hollywood insider, in fact, a couple of Hollywood insiders
S1: that he never physically returned his Golden Globe. And it's
S1: not clear whether or not it's because he wanted to
S1: hold on to it or maybe he just lost it.
S1: But there was no transfer of the globe from Tom
S1: Cruise back to the awards.
S3: That is the kind of hard hitting journalism we needed
S3: on the red carpet with Tom Cruise, that is Woodward
S3: and Bernstein. You you ask him some kind of light
S3: question about what film he wants to watch. What do
S3: you want me to be like?
S2: So, like, where is Miscavige, his wife? Like.
S3: Where's the Globe? Tom Yeah. I do think, though I
S3: enjoy the Emmys a bit more too, because by the
S3: time when the Oscars are on, Australia hasn't actually seen
S3: heaps of the films that are winning the Oscars. And
S3: sometimes we don't get them until much later in the year.
S3: So I feel a bit left out when the Oscars
S3: are on. But the Emmys, we've we've got access to
S3: pretty much all of these TV shows now by the
S3: time they're on. So I do feel like it's a
S3: bit more relevant in some ways to us here as well,
S3: because we can go and watch what wins or we've
S3: already seen what the shows that they're talking about on it.
S1: Well, it's funny you should say that, Mel, because that
S1: brings us to the main topic of conversation for today's episode.
S1: We will return to the Emmys. We're going to share
S1: some of our predictions later on in this episode. But
S1: the main thing we're talking about today is the bear.
S1: And this has been a really annoying show to program around.
S1: Our group chat has basically just been Thomas and I
S1: having a meltdown about when we should talk about the bear,
S1: how many episodes we should devote to it, how long
S1: it should go on for, whether we should do one
S1: Bear episode, whether we should do ten bear episodes. But
S1: partly why it has been and not partly in fact,
S1: the entire reason why this has been so challenging is
S1: because this show, all ten episodes of the second season,
S1: dropped in the US now a couple of weeks ago,
S1: but they still aren't being released in Australia until next week. Anecdotally,
S1: a lot of Australian Bear fans I know have found
S1: ways to watch this show anyway because they don't want to.
S1: Be a month behind the conversation. This is all a
S1: bit dumb, isn't it, Thomas?
S2: Yeah. So stupid, like for such a buzzed about show
S2: and to force people to wait an extra month like.
S2: And even as someone like, you know, we get the
S2: screeners and stuff but not that far in advance so
S2: I've been like having to avoid so many spoilers and
S2: like so much stuff because it is that type of
S2: show where like content gets pumped out about it, like
S2: from just, you know, storylines to weird things about the show.
S2: So it's like it feels like a weird throwback to
S2: Game of Thrones days up, consciously avoiding headlines to not
S2: have the show spoiled for me. And yeah, and we've
S2: talked about it before. We kind of hammered Disney to
S2: be like, why exactly is this happening? Like especially, you know,
S2: the first season we got six months later. So that
S2: was almost better because like, it was so far out
S2: of sight that you didn't think about Yeah, yeah, yeah.
S1: You saw the hype cycle, you got over it, you
S1: moved on and then it was a nice little surprise.
S2: Yeah. Whereas this, like, you know, it was like we're
S2: a month out, so it's just, it's enough time to get, like,
S2: everyone's takes and see it all and then have to
S2: kind of go into the show. But Disney were just
S2: very much like, Oh, we don't comment and release date,
S2: so we don't really know exactly what the reason is.
S2: But yeah, it's been very annoying and I know that
S2: lots of fans of the show have either done what
S2: you said, found a way to watch it, or just
S2: had to kind of like furiously avoid having the show ruined.
S3: Yeah, it's so hot because we, we often talk about
S3: how much we like a cultural moment. And Barbie has
S3: obviously been one of those. And part of the joy
S3: of that film is being part of the global conversations
S3: that are going on with Barbie. And it really is
S3: has been a global conversation with the tour, the controversies,
S3: the stories popping out of different places with different angles.
S3: And it is a bit of a shame to miss
S3: that being part of that with the bear being in
S3: dialogue with all these other kind of takes on it.
S1: Yeah, and the thing about spoilers is really apt because
S1: the way that we consume culture now is like passive, right?
S1: Like things come across your feed more than you going
S1: out to look for them. I've been listening to a
S1: bunch of, as I always do, like culture podcasts from
S1: the US and they'll be talking about TV and then
S1: they'll be like. And coming up next, like our interview
S1: with Christopher Storer, the creator of The Bear on Season two.
S1: I'm like, Oh, that's cancel, cancel, cancel. I don't want
S1: to hear anything. And even this morning I was listening
S1: to a completely sort of unrelated podcast where they just
S1: sort of said, Oh, by the way, and this is
S1: spoilers for the second season of The Bear. And I'm like, Oh, well,
S1: come on, why do I feel like I'm living in
S1: the past? On a even much more anodyne level, there's
S1: been all these viral stories from from different outlets about
S1: this sweater that Carmy wears, and it's like, Why the
S1: bear sweater went viral? I'm like, I haven't even seen
S1: the sweater. And you're telling me it's going viral? This
S1: is outrageous.
S2: I know. It's so annoying. I feel so left out. Like,
S2: I want to know about the sweater, but I don't
S2: want to like, I don't want to read about it yet.
S2: I want to just watch it.
S3: Also, Thomas has been like this morning, he was just
S3: telling me how he was the first to do the
S3: bear aesthetic, that he's like he's he's wearing a white shirt.
S3: He's got his tats out and black jeans, kind of
S3: work pants. And now you might be behind. You might
S3: be going around saying you have the bear aesthetic. But
S3: he could have completely changed his look.
S2: Well, actually, you know, I was commies become famous for
S2: his white shirt. He's very he's an attractive man. And
S2: we do have similar tattoos, I suppose. But I was
S2: I've been rocking the white shirt for ages, but now
S2: it's become so associated with calming people like, Oh man,
S2: that's that clammy commie kind of aesthetic. Yeah, well.
S3: What a try hard trying to look like commie. You
S3: also look like since you had a baby and since
S3: you started fastening you, you look very disheveled. So you've
S3: got that element as well.
S2: I've been in the kitchen all night, just like. Yeah. Corner. Yes, chef.
S1: Let's talk a bit about why this show is so
S1: highly anticipated. We've mentioned this before on the on the pod,
S1: Thomas and I think we actually spoke about it last year.
S1: We aired your interview with Jeremy Ellen White, who plays
S1: Comey last year. But I'm really interested to hear your analysis,
S1: I guess, on why this show that kind of came
S1: out of nowhere seemed to be a cultural phenomenon to
S1: the extent where it was the most anticipated in the
S1: US this year and has seemed to deliver it for
S1: those who have seen the show. What is it about
S1: the bear that made it so good?
S2: Yeah, I think it was a little bit of a surprise,
S2: but I think I think it was for a couple
S2: of reasons. Like it kind of entered the TV landscape after,
S2: you know, a few years of everyone feeling maybe like
S2: we'd been kind of collectively beaten down, like, you know,
S2: it was kind of post-pandemic. We'd had everything kind of
S2: crushed out of us. It wasn't an optimistic time. And
S2: I think the bear kind of harnessed that energy. And
S2: the show is definitely not what you would call an
S2: optimistic show, even though it has its uplifting moments. But
S2: there was something almost wholesome about watching this team of people,
S2: team of kind of screw ups, I suppose, trying to
S2: do something good, like for the greater good. They're very
S2: much a team and I think people connected with that
S2: and and especially with Carmy, you know, he's this like talented, vulnerable,
S2: you know, flawed guy and he's just trying to maybe
S2: do the right thing for his family and by the
S2: people who he loves. And that, I think is was
S2: a big part of the appeal. And then like running
S2: parallel to that, this show is, you know, almost like
S2: from the Uncut Gems School of Anxiety. It's an anxious show. And,
S2: you know, Jeremy, Alan White and I spoke about this
S2: last year. You know, a lot of people were feeling
S2: very anxious over the last couple of years. And again,
S2: the bear tapped into that and it kind of like
S2: reflected ourselves back on screen. And we saw a lot
S2: of our own fears and anxieties and worries, you know,
S2: like they're trying to pay the bills. They're trying to
S2: figure out if they'll be around next week and they're
S2: trying to figure out what makes them happy and what
S2: is being satisfied. And am I doing this every day
S2: because I'm just in this loop, or is it what
S2: I want to do? And I think, you know, they're
S2: kind of like broad, large scale issues, but the bear
S2: really tackled a lot of those. So yeah, I think in,
S2: you know, it shows this environment of a restaurant, but
S2: it really took a lot of the big picture things
S2: that we were all thinking about and kind of played
S2: them back to us.
S3: And I like the aesthetic of it too. Like it
S3: doesn't have the gloss of a lot of what we're
S3: seeing on TV at the moment. Like when you think
S3: of beef on Netflix or succession on Binge, all great shows,
S3: but it kind of has this really interesting aesthetic and
S3: vibe to it and tone that I think we haven't
S3: seen as much of on TV lately.
S1: Yeah, I think Thomas and I have seen the the
S1: first few episodes of the second season. We're going to
S1: talk about it a little bit, but not spoil it.
S1: I think what you just articulated then both of you guys,
S1: as to the two different pieces of the show that
S1: come together really well, I think the second season does
S1: an even better job at like on one hand, it
S1: is kind of like just a workplace drama comedy. You've
S1: got this great cast of characters. Who all a pretty
S1: fully realized and really interesting and have their own like
S1: that show did such a great job of helping me
S1: understand what motivated every single character. From Carmy to Sydney
S1: to the pastry chef to Ibrahim, who's just sort of
S1: like a line cook. And you get even more of
S1: that in the second season. But alongside that screwball, almost
S1: office esque comedy stuff, you have a problem solving show,
S1: which is like, we have a challenge and in the
S1: first season it's let's make this kitchen work. In the
S1: second season, they kind of blow the whole place up
S1: and the plot is basically around turning the original beef
S1: of Chicagoland into a fine dining restaurant. And that is
S1: really fun to watch because you see them on this mission,
S1: try to create something, build something. And when it comes
S1: to food in particular, and like food on TV and
S1: in film, I just don't think we've seen it done
S1: that well that often. Like Anthony Bourdain famously said, that
S1: Ratatouille was the best representation of like cooking culture on screen.
S1: And I love Ratatouille and I'm not like taking shots
S1: at it. But I think it is significant that the
S1: animated movie about a rat is like what Bourdain reckons
S1: was the best attempt to do cooking on TV. Did
S1: you guys think that that is a factor here like that?
S1: This show just took fine dining and made it so watchable.
S3: Firstly, it was about a chef, wasn't it? Yeah, I agree.
S3: Also with Chef's Table and the kind of proliferation of
S3: shows like that, we have seen I think a lot
S3: on TV, a very glossy look at dining and I
S3: think the bear kind of showed a different angle to
S3: food that we hadn't seen as much of. I'm going
S3: to make a public service announcement, though, because I actually
S3: fell a bit behind from the bear and I caused
S3: quite a scene. I've made a real fool of myself
S3: with Disney. You know how we were hanging out for
S3: six months for the bear, finally dropped, went home, turned
S3: on Disney. It was not on the screen. Do you
S3: remember me messaging you? I was like, Is your bear
S3: on your Disney? Wasn't there? I was like, Oh my God,
S3: this is a news story. They've announced this date. It's
S3: not on Disney's cooked it. So I called Disney and
S3: I'm like, The bear's not on TV.
S2: It's called Bob Iger. Hey, Bob, just.
S4: Hey, Walt.
S3: We've got an issue here. And they were like, No,
S3: it's definitely on TV. I'm like, messaging everyone. They're like,
S3: It's on mine, too.
S1: So you called them. It's like 730 at night. You're
S1: in your lounge room. You're like Disney. I'm trying to
S1: watch the show. Where is it.
S4: Mate?
S3: I thought it was a new story. I thought I
S3: was I was on it. I'm like, this is this.
S2: Is like a type of phone call I received from my.
S4: Mum. She's like.
S3: This is the chops you needed with Tom Cruise. Yeah.
S3: So I called Disney. They were like, It's definitely on there.
S3: All my friends had it on there. I was like,
S3: This is cooked. I continued my campaign with Disney about
S3: why it wasn't on there. It went on deep dive
S3: and read it, and then like a week later I
S3: found out I apparently had child friendly settings on Disney.
S3: So for my entire Disney watching experience, I had not
S3: had like adult films.
S4: So you weren't allowed the heat of the bed? Yeah, Yeah.
S3: So, yeah, if it's not appearing, that's why.
S2: Yes. Well, I feel like your Disney privileges should be
S2: revoked because of that.
S4: Yeah.
S3: No, I was just watching, like, ratatouille on repeat.
S2: Great movie. And yes, great, great representations of chefs on screen.
S2: But yeah, I think the Bear did do a lot
S2: of that. And you know, that was a big part
S2: of the conversation. Like, you know, it's like people kind
S2: of really got into carmy the bad boy, like fucked
S2: up chef and he's smoking and he's so sexy and
S2: he doesn't love anyone. That's why I need to love him. Oh,
S2: my God. But. But, like, Carmy is kind of, like,
S2: meant to be an interrogation of that bad boy chef trope,
S2: you know, like, he's. He's not the type of person, like,
S2: we root for him. But I think people kind of
S2: got confused there because we've always been so obsessed with
S2: like the bad boy chef, you know, like Bourdain, Marco
S2: Pierre White, like these guys that we love. And they seem,
S2: you know, like, so dangerous and stuff. So it's funny
S2: that we do still really love that idea. And that trope,
S2: but I feel like the show is not presenting that
S2: to us, but it's just like what we're as an audience,
S2: like we're wanting it to be.
S1: Yeah, there was a lot of discourse around this thing
S1: where people were like, Oh, I love Carmy. He's so
S1: cool and hot and like, great. And it's like, Well,
S1: I think the show is deliberately trying to say that, like,
S1: that might be a trope that you have been trained
S1: to think like this kind of confident white male chef
S1: in a kitchen full of like people of color and
S1: women older and younger than him who he's a bit
S1: dismissive towards. And then eventually, as the show progresses, you
S1: see him realize that he needs to like change what
S1: he's been trained in, that sort of French, very hierarchical
S1: cooking aesthetic. And I think that tension is still sort
S1: of playing out right. Like Sydney, played by the wonderful
S1: Ayo Atterbury in the second season, is much more of
S1: like a partner with Carmy, but he still has that
S1: sense of superiority because of who he thinks he is and.
S1: What he's entitled to, and she's coming from the complete
S1: opposite place of being so insecure and unsure of herself.
S1: And I think the show is really good at just
S1: letting that tension play out without shoving it in your face.
S1: It's quite subtle and it's just there to be seen.
S1: There's no big speeches about like, you know, well, you're,
S1: you're this arrogant, like, white cook and that's why you
S1: don't belong that kind of thing. You just see it
S1: happen as these characters discover things on their own.
S2: Yeah, for sure. I've only seen the first three, but
S2: you really get a sense of that. And yeah, like
S2: you said, it is. It's also really nice to see
S2: a show where all this is very much, you know,
S2: Jeremy Alan White is the star of the show and
S2: the face of the show and the very impressive arms
S2: of the show, I must say.
S1: But the arms are ridiculous.
S2: Oh, man, it's a joke. Like last night, like we
S2: watched the first three last night. My wife was like,
S2: I don't like the show. It's too stressful. I was like,
S2: Shut up. I'm watching it. And she was like, God,
S2: he's so fucking hot, though. Like, is that right? Well,
S2: just like, make your mind.
S3: Have you seen what I'm wearing? Like, I.
S4: Was like, that's actually my.
S2: Aesthetic. Yeah.
S1: So bit of Jonah Hill slipping out there just telling
S1: you wife to shut up while you're on the couch.
S4: Watching the show.
S2: I was like, Can you please.
S4: Take.
S2: That bikini off? Winter?
S3: Respect my boundaries. Do you think you'd be a good chef?
S2: I actually think I would be a pretty good chef.
S2: I worked in a restaurant. Like when? What kind of restaurant?
S2: An Italian restaurant. And the chef actually weirdly kind of
S2: similar story. The chef was really talented, chef. And he
S2: came back from London working in, like, fine dining to
S2: start a restaurant in like, the suburbs because his brother
S2: was like a bit of a fuck up and his
S2: mom was like, You need to come and start a
S2: restaurant so he can have a job.
S3: So we need to get this really good.
S4: Seriously.
S2: This is your story and I loved it. And then obviously.
S3: Did you cook.
S4: Or. No, no, I was away.
S2: That I was away. Yeah. And obviously Osman is in
S2: the restaurant game, so he gets it.
S1: Well, I mean, this is this is one of the
S1: things about this season that I found quite stressful because
S1: it is about a group of people gutting a restaurant
S1: and trying to build something on a budget and do
S1: something new and exciting. And it is like a little
S1: bit triggering, frankly, the process that I went through a
S1: couple of years ago. But can I ask you something, though?
S2: Like one of the things I found the most interesting
S2: and this is not really a spoiler, but yeah, the
S2: premise of season two is that they're starting this new
S2: restaurant like the the logistics and the paperwork and the permits. Like,
S2: is that all a real thing?
S1: Yeah, it's really it's really complicated. I mean, we had
S1: a particular challenge because we were trying to like open
S1: in the midst of Melbourne's lockdowns, sort of wrapping up.
S1: So there was all this extra like bureaucracy and complexity
S1: around like you can open for takeaway, but we actually
S1: can't send a council inspector there because it's technically lockdown.
S1: And so we can't open until your licence, but we
S1: can't give you a licence until things can get reopened again.
S1: I don't know enough about the specifics of like Chicago
S1: food licensing, but I think the one of the most
S1: complicated things I've learnt about the food business is health
S1: and safety, food permits, food safety, liquor licensing, all that
S1: sort of stuff. And it is a real challenge, I think.
S1: Like I have my own experience in the hospital business
S1: as we're talking about, but I feel like what is
S1: so interesting about this show is you talk to people
S1: who've who've run businesses, who've built businesses, who've worked as chefs,
S1: who's worked in front of house. Almost everyone says that
S1: nothing has done a better job of representing hospital culture
S1: like this show. And I think Christopher Storer, the showrunner,
S1: his sister Courtney Sara, has worked in a bunch of restaurants.
S1: She's a consultant, Maddy Mathieson, who's who's on the show.
S1: He is a well known chef. Dave Chang I think
S1: if not being a formal consultant is at least very
S1: good friends with Chris Storer. So he has a really
S1: great insight into what contemporary food culture is like. And
S1: I think what makes the second season even more interesting
S1: is that it is about the business side of building
S1: a fine dining establishment in a very specific post-COVID America.
S1: And that is a really big conversation in the food industry,
S1: in the States and in Australia. Is what is food
S1: culture going to be in this world where rents are
S1: really high, labor costs are high. It's a risk. People
S1: don't want to go out as much. The economy is
S1: not doing that well. Are we facing the barrel of
S1: a world where only very, very rich groups and conglomerates
S1: can create a good hospitality scene? Or can an independent
S1: business run by someone like Kami or by us.
S4: See, in this.
S1: Crazy modern world, I think that's that's a that's another
S1: dynamic to the show that I find really interesting. Thomas
S1: What else do people have to look forward to in
S1: this season without kind of giving too much away?
S2: Well, I guess off the back of a very successful
S2: first season and a very buzzed about period between seasons,
S2: basically everyone in Hollywood was like, Yo, I want to
S2: be on the bear. So the guest cast for season
S2: two is stacked. So you've got Will Poulter popping up
S2: as a pastry chef who kind of shows Marcus the ropes.
S2: We've got everyone's favorite from Better Call Saul, Bob Odenkirk
S2: You've got Jamie Lee Curtis. And this one is not
S2: really a spoiler because it's been everywhere. Jamie Lee Curtis
S2: playing Comey's mother. John Mulaney, Sarah Paulson, Gillian Jacobs, Oscar
S2: winner Olivia Colman and Joel McHale from Community Returns. He
S2: was in season one, kind of like as a as
S2: a flashback of calm. He's very intense.
S1: It was so good playing that sort of evil chef.
S2: Yeah, so good. And one of the kind of bigger
S2: guest stars is Molly Gordon from Booksmart, who plays a
S2: semi love interest. So, like, it's amazing, you know, and
S2: it's so funny because I can fully see it, especially
S2: the the vibe of a lot of those guest stars.
S2: You can tell they would have all been into the
S2: first series and they've obviously just like started banging down
S2: the door of Christmas or being like, Please find me
S2: a slot to be on the bed.
S3: How do you feel this will compare to kind of
S3: the hype and the discussion that surrounded succession? Because I
S3: know a lot of people have spoken about the bear
S3: being the next big thing that everyone's looking forward to
S3: after succession, but do you think it will in Australia
S3: quite generate the levels of engagement that succession did? Well, you.
S1: Know what one of the weird things is about this
S1: show is that it drops all at once.
S4: Which is unusual.
S1: For a non Netflix show. It's unusual for a Disney show.
S1: It's unusual for like most shows now, which are trending
S1: away from the binge model. And I feel like this
S1: show could really benefit from like a weekly drop. It
S1: would build so much anticipation. You could spend every week
S1: talking like we.
S4: Were actually could.
S3: Could do that.
S1: Yeah, Yeah. With the three of us could have gotten
S1: two and a half months of content out of it.
S1: What do you.
S4: Think, Thomas? It's.
S2: It's so annoying. Like, the binge model is dead unless
S2: you work at Netflix who are, like, wedded to it
S2: because it's their brand. But it's just, it's so annoying like.
S2: Especially what I would have done if I was running
S2: Disney and Mel was calling me at night to figure
S2: out why she couldn't watch anything I would have done.
S2: Like because I watched the first three last night. And
S2: I do feel like it was good to watch three
S2: in a row to get back in, but like three
S2: in a row. And then, you know, one a week
S2: for the next seven weeks. And everyone I've spoken to,
S2: like in the media world who has watched the show
S2: has been like, you know, like loved it, but so
S2: annoying that it's all coming out at once because inevitably
S2: you do feel like you'll just watch it maybe over
S2: like a week or something.
S1: Or your friends will be at a different level to
S1: where you are. So it's like, Oh, have you seen
S1: that bit yet? I don't really want to give it away.
S1: It just makes it really hard to enjoy it collectively. Yeah.
S2: And like, I mean, I guess the episodes are short.
S2: There are only 28, 29 minutes, so it's different to
S2: succession in that that was so packed and an extra
S2: 15 minutes longer or more as we got at the
S2: end of the season. But and sometimes it can feel
S2: funny doing a weekly drop with a half hour show.
S2: It feels like it's like over really quick. But then,
S2: I don't know, do two a week, do something else.
S2: Like I just think having all of them come out
S2: at once, it's it's frustrating.
S3: Also, as we know, next week is a big viewing week.
S3: We're spoilt for choice with Barbie Oppenheimer and the barrel dropping.
S3: I mean it would have been nice if they could
S3: have kind of.
S4: Spread it out. Exactly.
S1: You couldn't think of a way to cook this release
S1: more in this country then they have.
S2: Al dente Disney.
S1: We'll be back to cover this series in more detail
S1: once it is finally out and everyone else can watch it.
S1: But for now, let's. Let's return to our Emmy conversation.
S1: By the time you're listening to this, nominations will have
S1: been announced. So it's potentially risky and stupid to to
S1: do predictions of what will be nominated. So I thought
S1: what we could do instead is run through there's a
S1: website called Gold Derby. It is very good at predicting
S1: nominations for things like the Oscars, the Grammys and the Emmys.
S1: And I think looking at what they've got on their list,
S1: it seems pretty safe. It's just a good opportunity to
S1: talk about what is likely to be nominated. And we
S1: can talk about who we think is probably going to
S1: win as well, if that makes sense to you guys.
S1: Should we should we give that a bit of a
S1: run through?
S3: Yeah, let's do it. We are risky people.
S1: So the way the Emmys generally work for TV, they
S1: split things up into comedy and drama and have best
S1: comedy series, best drama and best actor and actress in
S1: each of those. So for best comedy, the most likely nominees,
S1: according to Gold Derby are Ted Lasso, Abbott Elementary, The
S1: Bear only murders in the building, Barry The Marvelous Mrs.
S1: Maisel Poker Face and Shrinking. And my immediate reaction to
S1: that is that's like a lot of great television that
S1: is so much more exciting than the days of the
S1: Big Bang Theory versus young Sheldon.
S3: Apart from Ted Lasso, which hasn't been funny since its
S3: first season.
S2: But also, I mean, I know this is not what
S2: the point of this segment is, but my immediate reaction
S2: is like, Oh, this is the problem with the Emmys.
S2: Like The Bear is not really a comedy. And to
S2: be in the same category as I mean, even Ted Lasso,
S2: which is more traditionally or Abbott Elementary, definitely more traditional comedies. Yeah, I'd.
S1: Say Poker Face is not really a comedy either. The
S1: Natasha Leone sort of murder mystery series, it seems to be.
S1: I was listening to some other smart podcasters talk about
S1: this that traditionally if things were half an hour, there
S1: were comedy and if there were like 50 minute things,
S1: they were dramas. But that doesn't really make sense at
S1: all in this era. There's a lot of category fraud
S1: that I think goes on with these awards as well,
S1: where producers and distributors are like looking for where they
S1: think they might have the most success. And I think
S1: no one wants to be in drama.
S2: Yeah, we'll avoid succession in the drama category. And so like, yeah,
S2: the bear's hilarious as he's like sitting in fucking AA
S2: breaking our hearts.
S1: And like Jeremy Alan White, He said he's nominated for
S1: best comedy actor and is tipped as the favorite to win.
S1: And you feel like he's got a good chance because
S1: he is so good in the show. But you think
S1: if he was in drama up against Kieran Culkin and
S1: the succession cast, he would probably miss out. So maybe
S1: it's a good strategy there.
S2: But anyway, my personal pick, I think everyone hated the
S2: final season of Ted Lasso so much. I think Abbott
S2: Elementary will take that out. Actually. I think they might
S2: pip the bear. Abbott Elementary hasn't. It's not as like
S2: widespread over here, like it's the appreciation for it, but
S2: it's very, very funny and Quinta Brunson amazing, you know
S2: so I think that will win.
S3: I want to go for Barry because I thought the
S3: final season was sensational and that whole show has been sensational.
S3: So I'd like I'd like to see Barry get a
S3: bit of the limelight.
S1: I agree. Barry is probably my favorite in that list.
S1: So I think Thomas is right that Abbott Elementary will win.
S1: It's just so popular and so wholesome. And Quinta Brunson
S1: is tipped for best comedy actress. Barry is another weird one.
S1: I mean, like the last season of Barry, like 400
S1: people get shot to death. It is a really grim
S1: and violent and dark show to be in the comedy.
S1: I like Bill Hader as a comedian. He's funny, but
S1: I feel like if you asked him about Barry, he
S1: wouldn't be like, This is my comedy masterpiece. This is
S1: his like, dark interrogation of Hollywood in the American psyche.
S3: Yeah, definitely. I think they need to do a review
S3: into the genres. I'm going to yeah, I think I
S3: think that's what needs to happen here is it called him.
S1: Up call up you made to Disney to.
S4: Speak to get.
S3: The hook up.
S1: When we talk about drama the main question really is
S1: just like will anyone but succession win any category in this?
S1: Like the best drama series is pretty interesting. Such succession.
S1: The White Lotus, The Last of Us Better Call Saul
S1: the Crown Snooze Yellowjackets, House of the Dragon and Andor.
S1: That's a lot of like really big shows. But I
S1: think we would all agree that succession is just going
S1: to completely wipe the bullet.
S3: Yeah, you would think so, though. The White Lotus would
S3: stand a fighting chance. And again, that's one that could
S3: also kind of fit in the comedy series that is
S3: between categories.
S4: Yeah, totally.
S2: That's more of a comedy than the Bear.
S3: Yeah, definitely Seeing House of the Dragon on there. That
S3: was a show I was. I'm very glad that I
S3: had forgotten until now.
S4: Like I forgot that.
S1: Was definitely a.
S3: Show so bad.
S2: Man. This is like not even a this is a
S2: fucking no brainer. If succession doesn't win, I will get
S2: Ewan's eulogy like tattooed on my back. This is like
S2: in the bag. And aside from the fact that the
S2: Emmys are obsessed with rewarding shows for their final season,
S2: no matter how good the final season may be. And
S2: then on top of that, succession was obviously amazing. Yeah.
S2: This one is is in the bag, really. The question
S2: is and we spoke about this a lot during the season.
S2: Because there were so many like award baiting moments from,
S2: you know, especially the siblings and succession, basically, it's going
S2: to be like. Kendall versus Roman once more. Jeremy Strong
S2: versus Kieran. Totally. Me versus Mel.
S1: I mean, yeah. So for for the actress category, I
S1: think Sarah Snook is a lock for winning best drama
S1: actress in that. But yeah, the actor category, Jeremy Strong
S1: versus Kieran Culkin, I, I feel like Kieran could get
S1: the win on this. I feel like he just really
S1: went for it in that season. I feel like the
S1: Jeremy Strong Hive peaked Season two, Season three, and I
S1: think there's a chance now and I hope it is.
S1: I mean, we should also say Brian Cox is also
S1: in this category.
S4: It would be the most.
S2: Logan thing if he won.
S4: If he won.
S1: In the end after dying a few episodes in.
S3: Yeah, I, I kind of I agree. I think Kieran
S3: will probably win, but I think Jeremy Strong might deserve
S3: to win but because we had seen shocking. No wait
S3: this is a role reversal I think because we have
S3: seen Jeremy Strong go to those depths of acting in
S3: his character before, whereas Kieran was more of a kind
S3: of stand out star in this season. Kieran might might
S3: take the cake.
S2: Yeah, I kind of think so too. Like Jeremy Strong
S2: won in 2020, I think. And I do think there
S2: is always a bit of like, Oh, he's got one,
S2: so we'll make sure we spread the love. I think
S2: for the first half of the final season, I was like, okay,
S2: Kieran Culkin is, you know, this is his season. I
S2: think Jeremy Strong finished, stronger. And and the longer it
S2: went on, I do think there was like a bit
S2: of a feel of like Kieran Culkin having his moments,
S2: whereas Jeremy Strong, I forgot he was an actor, which
S2: I think a lot of people do. He's just so amazing.
S2: I do think maybe he does deserve it a bit more,
S2: but I think Kieran Culkin will win. And I also
S2: think on that entire list, Kieran Culkin would give the
S2: best acceptance speech.
S3: Yeah, that's a good if. It's like his funeral speech
S3: is anything to go by. I'm kind of sad to
S3: not to see Tom on there.
S2: He's best supporting.
S4: Oh, he gets to be.
S1: So in best supporting actor for drama. This could be
S1: like a four way contest between Matthew Macfadyen, Alan Ruck,
S1: Nicholas Braun and Alexander Skarsgard. And I honestly would be
S1: happy to see any of those guys win. I think like,
S1: as you guys know, I was obsessed with Skarsgard in
S1: this season. I think it would be amazing for him
S1: to just come in and win an Emmy off the
S1: back of that as well.
S2: Yeah, just like rocked up in a hoodie and those
S2: like Kanye slides.
S4: Yeah.
S1: The a couple of other categories I wanted to run through.
S1: One of them is probably the White Lotus best chance
S1: to pick up an Emmy. I mean, we we all
S1: enjoyed the season, but succession, I think, will just dominate.
S1: But Jennifer Coolidge is tipped to probably be the favorite
S1: in best supporting actress. That feels right to me in
S1: terms of where she's at.
S3: Yeah, I'd definitely back that. But I could also see
S3: Aubrey Plaza and Megan Fahey kind of very comfortably take that.
S3: Did you guys have a favorite from the show? Because
S3: I think Megan Fahey, in terms of the range that
S3: she had to show in in White Lotus was pretty impressive.
S2: Yeah, I mean, it'd be interesting, like Jennifer Coolidge is
S2: obviously like she's having a moment a year. She won
S2: this category last year, so that would be her going
S2: back to back which I always.
S3: A little Emmy historian.
S2: Yeah. Well, you know, I do love TV. No, I
S2: think Jennifer Coolidge going back to back is a big chance.
S2: But I do think there is sometimes a hesitation to
S2: to reward that. I actually don't. And again, this is
S2: like unpopular opinion. I she was probably one of my
S2: least favorite characters on the White Lotus and I don't
S2: really think Jennifer Coolidge is great, but I don't think
S2: she was like stretching herself in that series. So in
S2: terms of actual merit, I don't know if she is
S2: perhaps the most deserving. I think anyone who watched Better
S2: Call Saul would say Ray Seehorn is, you know, like
S2: her performance in that final season was incredible. And I
S2: also think like if if it were up to me
S2: and again, it's not, sadly, I'd probably give it to
S2: Aubrey Plaza.
S3: Yeah, I think you're right with Jennifer Coolidge. She kind
S3: of has a bit that her character stuck to where
S3: the others, I think, had a harder role in portraying
S3: certain ambiguities in their roles. Elizabeth Debicki in The Crown
S3: was pretty impressive. Like, I feel like the latest season, everyone,
S3: I don't know, it kind of got lost. Yeah, see?
S1: Yeah, the crown is boring. But the one thing that
S1: it did have going for it was debicki like, I
S1: love Dickie. She's incredible. She's great in everything. Obviously she's Australian.
S1: That's not the reason I love her. I'm not like
S1: that patriotic, to be honest. Most people who know me
S1: know that.
S4: But she loved the crown.
S1: She. She was really good.
S4: And I love Princess Diana. You didn't even you didn't
S4: like Paul Kelly.
S1: That is slander. That is slander. One of us on
S1: this podcast has spent an hour crying with Paul Kelly
S1: on another podcast talking about Christmas and family and love.
S1: Thomas So watch yourself.
S3: And the Gravy.
S1: The other category that I thought would be interesting to
S1: just mention is Best Limited series, which I think is
S1: also got a bunch of great nominations in there. Daisy
S1: Jones in the sixth Fleishman is in Trouble, which we
S1: all really, really liked. Blackbird Monster, The Jeffrey Dahmer Story.
S1: But beef is likely going to be in the mix.
S1: I think that would be a pretty deserved win. That
S1: show just seemed to, again, kind of like the bear
S1: come out of nowhere and just blow everyone's minds.
S2: Yeah, it'd be such a shame if monster like gets
S2: up there because it was so popular. It's like probably
S2: the worst show on that list.
S3: Yeah, I think beef is the well deserving of that.
S3: Or Fleishman is in trouble, which again, kind of flew
S3: a little under the radar. I think.
S4: Much attention.
S2: Dropped in like November, December at the end of the
S2: year when people had maxed out and stuff. But some
S2: really good performances in there and yeah, definitely.
S1: Ruined my life over that period.
S2: Yeah, it's pretty it's pretty grim if you're an aging millennial. Yeah.
S3: I enjoyed Daisy Jones in the Sex, the music, and
S3: it was great. But I don't it didn't I don't
S3: think it's a show that will stick with me really
S3: good watch maybe a good sick day watch like and
S3: just like that. But yeah not life changing.
S1: Yeah let's let's leave the Amish out there. I mean,
S1: at the very least, that's a long list of shows
S1: to catch up on. If you haven't seen them in
S1: the in the next couple of weeks before the Emmys
S1: actually happen to round up today's EP. Thought it would
S1: be nice to hear from you guys what you're watching
S1: what you've been watching, what you recommend. I know, Thomas,
S1: you've been you've been diving deep into the history of
S1: a of a Greek kind of comrade of yours.
S4: Yes.
S1: It's not it's not former finance minister Yanis Varoufakis. Who
S1: who who is it? And what is this show?
S2: Well, as you know, I get like an email alert
S2: every time a Greek anyone any any second or third
S2: generation Greg does something. No. So I saw on Netflix
S2: the WAM documentary had dropped. And you know I'm not
S2: really a big wham guy. Like obviously I'm aware of them,
S2: but I didn't very much of the backstory. Love George
S2: Michael or Yoda as he was born.
S4: Well.
S2: And I know that you also watched over the weekend,
S2: but it was it was actually like a really well
S2: made documentary. And it tells like an unusual story, I think,
S2: in music. Like, I think if we normally see a
S2: music documentary, you expect there to be like this spectacular rise.
S2: And then quite a dramatic fall. But the story of
S2: Wham of George Michael and Andrew Ridgeley is that they
S2: basically like two best friends from like when they were
S2: 11 and they become this incredibly successful act. They sold
S2: like 30 million records between 1982 and 1996. You know,
S2: everyone knows their songs. And then they kind of had
S2: this really beautiful end to the career. And then George Michael,
S2: you know, throughout the Wham story, had, you know, evolved
S2: as this very talented artist. And at the end of
S2: their time together, he went on to become one of
S2: the world's most successful solo artists. And, you know, they
S2: use lots of archival footage and it's also a great
S2: snapshot of the 80s and stuff. I just thought it
S2: was quite a beautiful documentary and good.
S3: To see yourself reflected.
S2: Yeah, exactly. And yeah, well, I mean, he literally had
S2: to change his name because people were like. Panagiotis I
S2: don't think so. And you know, my real last name
S2: isn't Mitchell, but that's for a different pod.
S3: Yeah. This was by the director of Tiger King and Fire.
S3: I was same as you. I loved it. Didn't know
S3: much about Wham, but loved the story of these two
S3: men and their changing dynamic from when they were kids,
S3: where the power dynamic was very different to when they
S3: became famous and George Michael really came to the the fore.
S3: I thought Andrew Ridgeley was kind of what a saint.
S3: Just wanted the best for George. Michael wanted him to
S3: go and flourish. I kept expecting their band to kind
S3: of blow up in the way, I don't know, like
S3: you see other other bands at towards their end. But no,
S3: maybe the show is glossing over it a bit, but
S3: it does show this kind of real love between them
S3: that one of them isn't jealous about the other one
S3: becoming this star.
S2: Yeah, it's basically like I think I saw it in
S2: the documentary. It's like, what happens if you made it
S2: to the top of the world with your best friend?
S2: It's like the ultimate dream, isn't it?
S3: It's what we're all doing now.
S1: Yeah, that's what we're aiming for. You guys got a
S1: favorite Wham song.
S2: I mean, wake me up before you Go. Go. It's
S2: such a great song. And I don't know if you
S2: know the story of this, but the way they came
S2: up with the name of that Andrew Ridgeley left George
S2: Michael a note. He was going out for the morning
S2: and he accidentally wrote up twice in the note. So
S2: then he wrote Go, go twice, just to evening out.
S2: So like, wake me up, up before you go, go.
S2: And then George Michael woke up. So he's like, That
S2: would be like a great name for a song. There
S2: you go.
S5: Before you go, go.
S1: Great, great story for a great song.
S3: And I do enjoy Careless Whispers as well, which was
S3: actually released as a George Michael single, even though they
S3: created it together as Wham. But yeah, I think that
S3: that's a real banger, really. It was just like listening
S3: to Smooth FM for an.
S4: Evening, but that.
S2: Was a crazy story too. You can cut this if
S2: it's boring, but I'll tell it anyway. Like Careless Whisper
S2: was like going to be their big hit and they
S2: sent George Michael off to like, I was in Nashville
S2: to record it with Jerry Wexler, this like really famous
S2: producer and who had worked with like Aretha Franklin and everyone.
S2: And he came back and this kind of spoke to
S2: George Michael's like he had this he was like really
S2: talented but really insecure. And he came back, got the
S2: mix from Jerry Wexler and was like, this isn't it? Like,
S2: this just doesn't feel like the song. But, you know,
S2: this is like the world's most sought after producer, like
S2: I should use it. And then eventually he follows his gut,
S2: doesn't do it, produces it himself, and it becomes one
S2: of the biggest songs of all time. So yeah, it's
S2: also a story about believing in your own talent, which
S2: is something you could both take note of.
S3: Why do you think we don't believe in it enough?
S2: I mean, Osbourne is probably fine.
S1: Thomas doesn't think we believe in his talent enough. He
S1: wants us to play more of an Andrew Ridgeley.
S4: Role to his days. Just let me go now. It's
S4: rising Star.
S1: Uh, Mel, you have finally caught up on one of
S1: my favorite shows from the last couple of years, Dave.
S3: Oh, it's so good. So I had been following the seasons,
S3: fell a bit behind in this latest season. I was
S3: mentioned in an earlier podcast when we were talking about
S3: the Met Gala and in Just Like that, but I
S3: finally watched the final episode and it is one of
S3: the best final episodes of a season I have seen
S3: on TV in some time. And I don't even really
S3: want to tell you why it's so good because it's
S3: so unexpected that you kind of just need to watch it.
S3: But it's got some amazing cameos. It's very well written.
S3: It's hilarious. The show is. I understand why it's not
S3: been maybe a huge hit because it's probably not to
S3: everyone's taste because there is quite a it's quite dark
S3: comedy writers. But yeah, I think the payoff at the
S3: end with that final episode was so good, so worth
S3: worth getting into it.
S1: Yeah, it's a really interesting show because you're supposed to
S1: think it's like an insight into this character, right? The
S1: guy's name is Dave. It's a show about him. It's
S1: sort of true to life biographical in a lot of ways.
S1: But I think what makes the show so good is
S1: that he's aware that his character is terrible, like a
S1: piece of shit and terrible and selfish to the people
S1: around him. And it doesn't like hide or shy away
S1: from that. And I think it would be so easy
S1: to just like lean into the ego. And it has
S1: a lot of that too. And it's a lot of like,
S1: you know, wish fulfillment and hanging out with celebs. But
S1: I think it doesn't seem to be scared to like
S1: explore how becoming very famous very quickly can turn you
S1: into a terrible person. And so it becomes quite a
S1: good meditation on that, as well as being a fun
S1: show about a rapper traveling America.
S2: Yeah, I don't think I've ever been told to watch
S2: a show more than I've been told to watch. Dave
S2: And it's almost become a thing now where I'm like,
S2: not watching it out of spite. But I, I mean, look,
S2: I'm going to make commitment. I'll watch it and I'll
S2: start it in the next month because I feel like
S2: inevitably I'm going to turn around and be like, Fuck guys.
S2: Dave is.
S4: Amazing. Yeah. Have you guys seen It's true that.
S1: You are the most like target audience for this show
S1: out of anyone I know in the world.
S3: It's weed and you probably need to watch it so
S3: you can reflect on what that says about you.
S1: I have two shows to mention. The first one is
S1: actually an apology from me a few weeks ago when
S1: we did our like What's coming up that we're excited about.
S1: I mentioned a show called Secret Invasion that was coming
S1: on Disney Plus. And I said, look, Marvel's been in
S1: a flop era, but I do like the team behind this.
S1: I like Mendo. This could be pretty fun. It is
S1: the biggest piece of shit I've seen in a long time.
S1: This is this is a terrible, terrible show that should
S1: not have been made. I don't know why it was
S1: made similar. Jackson looks like he wants to kill himself
S1: in the show. Ben Mendelsohn Like the one thing going
S1: for him is that he's allowed to do his Australian
S1: accent for the first time in like a big international thing.
S1: So he's pretty fun just to hear him say mate
S1: and bloody hell a lot. But this show has no
S1: reason to exist. It just speaks to the deep, deep,
S1: deep decline of what is left of Marvel and superhero stuff.
S1: So me, a couple for me. I'm sorry, everyone, do you.
S2: Want Mel to kind of get on the blower to
S2: Disney and.
S4: Just sort that.
S2: Out, get it taken? It'll be down by this afternoon.
S2: One phone call.
S1: Is Secret Invasion out on Disney Plus. And the bear
S1: is not. It is completely.
S4: Outrageous. Yeah, well, consider it sorted.
S3: We appreciate you owning up to that to that arrows but.
S1: To to make up for that the show that I
S1: have been watching that I do think is good because
S1: I've seen it now I think you Thomas you're across
S1: it as well is hijack on Apple TV.
S3: You have been talking about.
S4: This is still hijacking hope no.
S3: Hijacking.
S2: Tactic. No hijack is so good I thought it was
S2: going to be so shit. It's got a bad title.
S2: It looks like a kind of forgettable mid-year Netflix show.
S2: Everyone I've told now is obsessed with it. It's one
S2: of those ones. I'm like, Fuck, I wish there was
S2: more episodes out.
S1: Yeah, I've got to. I've got to give a shout
S1: out to our our colleague Anya Ryan, who put me
S1: onto the show. She said, It's really good. The basic
S1: premise is it's a plane that gets hijacked. So they
S1: called it hijack. Great stuff. And it's it's like it's
S1: sort of like filmed in real time, like set in
S1: real time, that an hour in the show is an hour.
S1: On this plane, Idris Elba plays this kind of corporate
S1: negotiator who's on the plane and he's trying to stop
S1: the hijackers from killing people. We don't really know what
S1: their motivation is, but it's something pretty big and sinister.
S1: It is just really gripping. And like you said, Thomas,
S1: when I saw it come up, I'm like, oh, this
S1: looks like classic kind of like low grade trash. But
S1: it is really fun. And I think Idris makes it good.
S1: Like the rest of the cast are fine. There's a
S1: couple of really good and interesting characters, but it's really
S1: the Idris Elba affair and it is really fun to watch.
S1: So Strong recommend for me.
S2: Yeah, I agree.
S3: All right. You're talking me into it. I have been
S3: reluctant and resistant to watch it.
S1: If there's one actual thing, I will say that there's
S1: a bit of a knock on the hijack. It is
S1: like a bit too chill for a plane hijacking drama.
S1: It's like everyone is very it's very quiet. A lot
S1: of it is shot in like the first class and
S1: business class cabins of the plane. And people look like
S1: they're having like a pretty good time on the plane,
S1: which I'm just not sure what happened in a real
S1: kind of hijacking. But it's.
S2: Still fun. It's good like I haven't really. Flown first
S2: in business. So it's nice to see it up there.
S2: But Osman, it's obviously familiar for you.
S4: Yeah, I'd quite like it looks like a while.
S3: I'm in.
S4: It looks like a fine.
S1: Looks like you've want my review on it. Like this
S1: is a fictional airline, Kingdom Airline. I think it's supposed
S1: to be like a middle Eastern airline. The business looks fine.
S1: I've got to say, the doesn't look not the best.
S1: Not the best I've seen, but not bad. Not bad.
S2: I was been Fergie.
S4: Man of the people.
S1: But how about I got Idris so he boards the
S1: plane without any baggage. Yeah. No handheld baggage, no check baggage.
S1: That is a boss move going Abu Dhabi to London
S1: without any carry on or checked in baggage that one day.
S1: Hope to pull off that kind of flick. Yeah, but
S1: I don't.
S2: Think Idris like he's not like you and I. He
S2: doesn't sweat.
S4: Yeah, that's.
S3: Good. That's why it's so cool.
S1: All right, guys, let's. Let's leave it there. Thanks for chatting.
S1: The Bear, the Emmys and wham, which is a fun
S1: little diversion for us. Take care. See you next.
S2: Week. Thank you.
S3: Chef. Yeah. Time to go. Go.
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