1 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:11,140 S1: Hey there. I'm Osborne Fruity. And this is The Drop, 2 00:00:11,140 --> 00:00:13,750 S1: a culture show from the Sydney Morning Herald and The 3 00:00:13,750 --> 00:00:16,690 S1: Age where we dive into the latest in the world 4 00:00:16,690 --> 00:00:20,560 S1: of pop culture and entertainment. I'm here with Thomas Mitchell 5 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:25,329 S1: and Mel Cambrai. Folks, we're recording this podcast the day 6 00:00:25,329 --> 00:00:29,770 S1: before the Emmy nominations are announced. Maybe bad timing. Maybe 7 00:00:29,770 --> 00:00:33,010 S1: we should have waited another day. But things are as 8 00:00:33,010 --> 00:00:36,010 S1: they are. Are you guys big Emmy people? What do 9 00:00:36,010 --> 00:00:38,320 S1: you think it fits in in terms of the awards? 10 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:42,960 S2: For me, it's probably like slightly after the Dally M 11 00:00:43,060 --> 00:00:46,360 S2: and Brown lows, but before the Logies. Like writing. That's 12 00:00:46,630 --> 00:00:49,300 S2: right in that sweet spot where it doesn't take it 13 00:00:49,300 --> 00:00:53,170 S2: tells too seriously, but it's not quite, you know, as 14 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:55,900 S2: strange as the Logies can be. Yeah. The Emmys, I 15 00:00:55,900 --> 00:00:58,270 S2: think is like a funny one. Like if I was 16 00:00:58,270 --> 00:00:59,440 S2: to think of off the top of my head, like, 17 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:01,690 S2: What's my favorite Emmys moment? Like nothing comes to mind. 18 00:01:01,690 --> 00:01:03,550 S2: Whereas like, you know, Oscars and Globes have those kind 19 00:01:03,550 --> 00:01:06,280 S2: of moments we've all seen and loved. So yeah, but 20 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:07,330 S2: I always watch it. 21 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:09,520 S3: Yeah, they all do kind of blur into each other, 22 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:12,370 S3: particularly I found during the Covid years when they were 23 00:01:12,370 --> 00:01:15,580 S3: all a bit odd and not very fun. But I 24 00:01:15,580 --> 00:01:16,960 S3: do quite like the Emmys. I think I like the 25 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:21,490 S3: Golden Globes best because I like that they're always secondary 26 00:01:21,490 --> 00:01:24,580 S3: in in status and prestige to the Academy Awards. So 27 00:01:24,580 --> 00:01:27,880 S3: there always seems to be an unhinged, unhinged going. That's 28 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:30,460 S3: not a word, but there always seems to be some 29 00:01:30,459 --> 00:01:33,250 S3: level of kind of craziness at the Golden Globes. I 30 00:01:33,250 --> 00:01:35,350 S3: don't think you get it at the Academy Awards, which 31 00:01:35,350 --> 00:01:37,780 S3: are a bit more stuffy. And then, yeah, the Emmys, 32 00:01:37,780 --> 00:01:39,310 S3: I feel, don't really have a distinct style. I quite 33 00:01:39,310 --> 00:01:42,190 S3: like the Grammys, though, or the performances, and the pop 34 00:01:42,190 --> 00:01:44,590 S3: stars are always a bit wild. And the actors. 35 00:01:44,590 --> 00:01:46,630 S1: Yeah, the Emmys ceremony seems to be one of the 36 00:01:46,630 --> 00:01:50,200 S1: most boring out of all the kind of big entertainment ones. 37 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:53,260 S1: But I think it's become more interesting in the last 38 00:01:53,260 --> 00:01:56,770 S1: few years when we've had this explosion of prestige TV, 39 00:01:56,770 --> 00:02:00,970 S1: and we are really interested in seeing actually interesting actors 40 00:02:00,970 --> 00:02:03,580 S1: and see who will win those big awards. I feel 41 00:02:03,580 --> 00:02:05,740 S1: like when I was growing up, the Emmys were like 42 00:02:05,740 --> 00:02:09,130 S1: 20 years in a row. It's the same. It's like 43 00:02:09,130 --> 00:02:11,800 S1: Frasier and then it's friends, and then, you know, then 44 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,410 S1: it's the Big Bang Theory. It's just like those network 45 00:02:14,410 --> 00:02:17,470 S1: comedies and dramas that ran on and on. Whereas now 46 00:02:17,470 --> 00:02:20,230 S1: it's a bit like the White Lotus versus succession. Like, 47 00:02:20,230 --> 00:02:23,770 S1: I am curious to see who wins in those sorts 48 00:02:23,770 --> 00:02:24,400 S1: of battles. 49 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:26,680 S2: Do you think if you're an actor in Hollywood, you 50 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,890 S2: still like, I feel like the Globes still have a 51 00:02:29,889 --> 00:02:31,840 S2: bit more prestige. Like if you're if you're a TV actor, 52 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,510 S2: you want to win the Golden Globe over the Emmy. 53 00:02:34,510 --> 00:02:37,330 S1: I think I wonder whether that changed in the last 54 00:02:37,330 --> 00:02:40,119 S1: couple of years with the whole furore around the Globes 55 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:44,620 S1: being basically like a crooked organization. And when Tom Cruise 56 00:02:44,620 --> 00:02:47,470 S1: hands back his Golden Globe, really what is the what 57 00:02:47,470 --> 00:02:49,360 S1: is the value of the globe? Yeah. 58 00:02:49,389 --> 00:02:51,459 S2: Tom Cruise famously of perfect character. 59 00:02:51,460 --> 00:02:53,950 S3: So that's your mate. You have a photo with him, right? 60 00:02:53,950 --> 00:02:55,900 S2: No. Yeah. This week. I don't like Tom Cruise last week. 61 00:02:55,900 --> 00:02:56,620 S2: I love Tom Cruise. 62 00:02:57,090 --> 00:02:58,570 S1: I mean, I actually heard a little a little bit 63 00:02:58,570 --> 00:03:01,720 S1: of Goss on that. So Tom Cruise famously when the 64 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:05,500 S1: Golden Globes, the Hollywood Foreign Press Association, which sadly no 65 00:03:05,500 --> 00:03:08,440 S1: longer exists, was was under this cloud for how they 66 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:11,260 S1: ran that operation. And Tom Cruise said very famous he 67 00:03:11,260 --> 00:03:13,510 S1: was going to return his Golden Globe. I heard from 68 00:03:13,510 --> 00:03:16,090 S1: a Hollywood insider, in fact, a couple of Hollywood insiders 69 00:03:16,090 --> 00:03:19,060 S1: that he never physically returned his Golden Globe. And it's 70 00:03:19,060 --> 00:03:20,350 S1: not clear whether or not it's because he wanted to 71 00:03:20,350 --> 00:03:22,090 S1: hold on to it or maybe he just lost it. 72 00:03:22,090 --> 00:03:24,970 S1: But there was no transfer of the globe from Tom 73 00:03:24,970 --> 00:03:26,710 S1: Cruise back to the awards. 74 00:03:26,710 --> 00:03:28,840 S3: That is the kind of hard hitting journalism we needed 75 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:31,180 S3: on the red carpet with Tom Cruise, that is Woodward 76 00:03:31,180 --> 00:03:34,359 S3: and Bernstein. You you ask him some kind of light 77 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:37,060 S3: question about what film he wants to watch. What do 78 00:03:37,060 --> 00:03:37,780 S3: you want me to be like? 79 00:03:37,780 --> 00:03:39,640 S2: So, like, where is Miscavige, his wife? Like. 80 00:03:40,870 --> 00:03:44,170 S3: Where's the Globe? Tom Yeah. I do think, though I 81 00:03:44,170 --> 00:03:45,940 S3: enjoy the Emmys a bit more too, because by the 82 00:03:45,940 --> 00:03:49,480 S3: time when the Oscars are on, Australia hasn't actually seen 83 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:51,550 S3: heaps of the films that are winning the Oscars. And 84 00:03:51,550 --> 00:03:54,700 S3: sometimes we don't get them until much later in the year. 85 00:03:54,700 --> 00:03:56,500 S3: So I feel a bit left out when the Oscars 86 00:03:56,500 --> 00:03:59,350 S3: are on. But the Emmys, we've we've got access to 87 00:03:59,350 --> 00:04:01,750 S3: pretty much all of these TV shows now by the 88 00:04:01,750 --> 00:04:03,550 S3: time they're on. So I do feel like it's a 89 00:04:03,550 --> 00:04:05,590 S3: bit more relevant in some ways to us here as well, 90 00:04:05,590 --> 00:04:07,390 S3: because we can go and watch what wins or we've 91 00:04:07,390 --> 00:04:09,820 S3: already seen what the shows that they're talking about on it. 92 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:12,820 S1: Well, it's funny you should say that, Mel, because that 93 00:04:12,820 --> 00:04:16,420 S1: brings us to the main topic of conversation for today's episode. 94 00:04:16,420 --> 00:04:19,270 S1: We will return to the Emmys. We're going to share 95 00:04:19,270 --> 00:04:22,780 S1: some of our predictions later on in this episode. But 96 00:04:23,260 --> 00:04:25,870 S1: the main thing we're talking about today is the bear. 97 00:04:25,870 --> 00:04:29,740 S1: And this has been a really annoying show to program around. 98 00:04:29,740 --> 00:04:32,400 S1: Our group chat has basically just been Thomas and I 99 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:34,990 S1: having a meltdown about when we should talk about the bear, 100 00:04:34,990 --> 00:04:38,380 S1: how many episodes we should devote to it, how long 101 00:04:38,380 --> 00:04:40,240 S1: it should go on for, whether we should do one 102 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:43,960 S1: Bear episode, whether we should do ten bear episodes. But 103 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:47,200 S1: partly why it has been and not partly in fact, 104 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,420 S1: the entire reason why this has been so challenging is 105 00:04:49,420 --> 00:04:52,990 S1: because this show, all ten episodes of the second season, 106 00:04:52,990 --> 00:04:55,720 S1: dropped in the US now a couple of weeks ago, 107 00:04:55,720 --> 00:05:01,090 S1: but they still aren't being released in Australia until next week. Anecdotally, 108 00:05:01,089 --> 00:05:04,270 S1: a lot of Australian Bear fans I know have found 109 00:05:04,270 --> 00:05:07,359 S1: ways to watch this show anyway because they don't want to. 110 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:11,640 S1: Be a month behind the conversation. This is all a 111 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:13,650 S1: bit dumb, isn't it, Thomas? 112 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:18,179 S2: Yeah. So stupid, like for such a buzzed about show 113 00:05:18,180 --> 00:05:20,640 S2: and to force people to wait an extra month like. 114 00:05:20,850 --> 00:05:23,310 S2: And even as someone like, you know, we get the 115 00:05:23,310 --> 00:05:25,200 S2: screeners and stuff but not that far in advance so 116 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,870 S2: I've been like having to avoid so many spoilers and 117 00:05:27,870 --> 00:05:29,760 S2: like so much stuff because it is that type of 118 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,070 S2: show where like content gets pumped out about it, like 119 00:05:32,070 --> 00:05:35,100 S2: from just, you know, storylines to weird things about the show. 120 00:05:35,100 --> 00:05:37,500 S2: So it's like it feels like a weird throwback to 121 00:05:37,710 --> 00:05:40,620 S2: Game of Thrones days up, consciously avoiding headlines to not 122 00:05:40,620 --> 00:05:43,110 S2: have the show spoiled for me. And yeah, and we've 123 00:05:43,110 --> 00:05:45,930 S2: talked about it before. We kind of hammered Disney to 124 00:05:45,930 --> 00:05:48,500 S2: be like, why exactly is this happening? Like especially, you know, 125 00:05:48,510 --> 00:05:51,029 S2: the first season we got six months later. So that 126 00:05:51,029 --> 00:05:54,420 S2: was almost better because like, it was so far out 127 00:05:54,420 --> 00:05:56,250 S2: of sight that you didn't think about Yeah, yeah, yeah. 128 00:05:56,250 --> 00:05:58,140 S1: You saw the hype cycle, you got over it, you 129 00:05:58,140 --> 00:06:00,150 S1: moved on and then it was a nice little surprise. 130 00:06:00,150 --> 00:06:01,890 S2: Yeah. Whereas this, like, you know, it was like we're 131 00:06:01,890 --> 00:06:03,870 S2: a month out, so it's just, it's enough time to get, like, 132 00:06:03,870 --> 00:06:06,359 S2: everyone's takes and see it all and then have to 133 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,669 S2: kind of go into the show. But Disney were just 134 00:06:08,670 --> 00:06:10,380 S2: very much like, Oh, we don't comment and release date, 135 00:06:10,390 --> 00:06:13,260 S2: so we don't really know exactly what the reason is. 136 00:06:13,260 --> 00:06:15,030 S2: But yeah, it's been very annoying and I know that 137 00:06:15,029 --> 00:06:17,820 S2: lots of fans of the show have either done what 138 00:06:17,820 --> 00:06:20,070 S2: you said, found a way to watch it, or just 139 00:06:20,070 --> 00:06:23,130 S2: had to kind of like furiously avoid having the show ruined. 140 00:06:23,130 --> 00:06:24,990 S3: Yeah, it's so hot because we, we often talk about 141 00:06:24,990 --> 00:06:27,690 S3: how much we like a cultural moment. And Barbie has 142 00:06:27,690 --> 00:06:30,270 S3: obviously been one of those. And part of the joy 143 00:06:30,270 --> 00:06:32,460 S3: of that film is being part of the global conversations 144 00:06:32,460 --> 00:06:34,260 S3: that are going on with Barbie. And it really is 145 00:06:34,260 --> 00:06:37,800 S3: has been a global conversation with the tour, the controversies, 146 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,800 S3: the stories popping out of different places with different angles. 147 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:42,539 S3: And it is a bit of a shame to miss 148 00:06:42,540 --> 00:06:44,640 S3: that being part of that with the bear being in 149 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:47,730 S3: dialogue with all these other kind of takes on it. 150 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,440 S1: Yeah, and the thing about spoilers is really apt because 151 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:55,050 S1: the way that we consume culture now is like passive, right? 152 00:06:55,070 --> 00:06:58,010 S1: Like things come across your feed more than you going 153 00:06:58,010 --> 00:07:00,320 S1: out to look for them. I've been listening to a 154 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,050 S1: bunch of, as I always do, like culture podcasts from 155 00:07:03,050 --> 00:07:05,750 S1: the US and they'll be talking about TV and then 156 00:07:05,750 --> 00:07:07,909 S1: they'll be like. And coming up next, like our interview 157 00:07:07,910 --> 00:07:10,550 S1: with Christopher Storer, the creator of The Bear on Season two. 158 00:07:10,550 --> 00:07:12,140 S1: I'm like, Oh, that's cancel, cancel, cancel. I don't want 159 00:07:12,140 --> 00:07:14,570 S1: to hear anything. And even this morning I was listening 160 00:07:14,570 --> 00:07:17,390 S1: to a completely sort of unrelated podcast where they just 161 00:07:17,390 --> 00:07:19,340 S1: sort of said, Oh, by the way, and this is 162 00:07:19,340 --> 00:07:21,770 S1: spoilers for the second season of The Bear. And I'm like, Oh, well, 163 00:07:21,770 --> 00:07:23,930 S1: come on, why do I feel like I'm living in 164 00:07:23,930 --> 00:07:28,010 S1: the past? On a even much more anodyne level, there's 165 00:07:28,010 --> 00:07:31,640 S1: been all these viral stories from from different outlets about 166 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:35,210 S1: this sweater that Carmy wears, and it's like, Why the 167 00:07:35,210 --> 00:07:37,490 S1: bear sweater went viral? I'm like, I haven't even seen 168 00:07:37,490 --> 00:07:39,650 S1: the sweater. And you're telling me it's going viral? This 169 00:07:39,650 --> 00:07:40,180 S1: is outrageous. 170 00:07:40,190 --> 00:07:42,500 S2: I know. It's so annoying. I feel so left out. Like, 171 00:07:42,500 --> 00:07:43,910 S2: I want to know about the sweater, but I don't 172 00:07:43,910 --> 00:07:46,000 S2: want to like, I don't want to read about it yet. 173 00:07:46,010 --> 00:07:47,020 S2: I want to just watch it. 174 00:07:47,030 --> 00:07:49,700 S3: Also, Thomas has been like this morning, he was just 175 00:07:49,700 --> 00:07:51,950 S3: telling me how he was the first to do the 176 00:07:51,950 --> 00:07:56,810 S3: bear aesthetic, that he's like he's he's wearing a white shirt. 177 00:07:56,810 --> 00:07:59,989 S3: He's got his tats out and black jeans, kind of 178 00:07:59,990 --> 00:08:03,110 S3: work pants. And now you might be behind. You might 179 00:08:03,110 --> 00:08:05,390 S3: be going around saying you have the bear aesthetic. But 180 00:08:05,390 --> 00:08:07,220 S3: he could have completely changed his look. 181 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:10,489 S2: Well, actually, you know, I was commies become famous for 182 00:08:10,490 --> 00:08:12,980 S2: his white shirt. He's very he's an attractive man. And 183 00:08:12,980 --> 00:08:15,680 S2: we do have similar tattoos, I suppose. But I was 184 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:17,360 S2: I've been rocking the white shirt for ages, but now 185 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,730 S2: it's become so associated with calming people like, Oh man, 186 00:08:19,730 --> 00:08:23,210 S2: that's that clammy commie kind of aesthetic. Yeah, well. 187 00:08:23,330 --> 00:08:25,550 S3: What a try hard trying to look like commie. You 188 00:08:25,550 --> 00:08:27,500 S3: also look like since you had a baby and since 189 00:08:27,500 --> 00:08:32,420 S3: you started fastening you, you look very disheveled. So you've 190 00:08:32,420 --> 00:08:33,410 S3: got that element as well. 191 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,740 S2: I've been in the kitchen all night, just like. Yeah. Corner. Yes, chef. 192 00:08:38,540 --> 00:08:42,140 S1: Let's talk a bit about why this show is so 193 00:08:42,140 --> 00:08:46,130 S1: highly anticipated. We've mentioned this before on the on the pod, 194 00:08:46,130 --> 00:08:47,959 S1: Thomas and I think we actually spoke about it last year. 195 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:50,569 S1: We aired your interview with Jeremy Ellen White, who plays 196 00:08:50,570 --> 00:08:55,130 S1: Comey last year. But I'm really interested to hear your analysis, 197 00:08:55,130 --> 00:08:57,620 S1: I guess, on why this show that kind of came 198 00:08:57,620 --> 00:09:00,530 S1: out of nowhere seemed to be a cultural phenomenon to 199 00:09:00,530 --> 00:09:03,200 S1: the extent where it was the most anticipated in the 200 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,199 S1: US this year and has seemed to deliver it for 201 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,240 S1: those who have seen the show. What is it about 202 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:09,860 S1: the bear that made it so good? 203 00:09:10,250 --> 00:09:12,319 S2: Yeah, I think it was a little bit of a surprise, 204 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,750 S2: but I think I think it was for a couple 205 00:09:14,750 --> 00:09:18,650 S2: of reasons. Like it kind of entered the TV landscape after, 206 00:09:18,650 --> 00:09:23,330 S2: you know, a few years of everyone feeling maybe like 207 00:09:23,330 --> 00:09:25,880 S2: we'd been kind of collectively beaten down, like, you know, 208 00:09:25,910 --> 00:09:29,810 S2: it was kind of post-pandemic. We'd had everything kind of 209 00:09:29,809 --> 00:09:33,290 S2: crushed out of us. It wasn't an optimistic time. And 210 00:09:33,290 --> 00:09:36,650 S2: I think the bear kind of harnessed that energy. And 211 00:09:36,650 --> 00:09:38,900 S2: the show is definitely not what you would call an 212 00:09:38,900 --> 00:09:41,600 S2: optimistic show, even though it has its uplifting moments. But 213 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:44,780 S2: there was something almost wholesome about watching this team of people, 214 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:48,949 S2: team of kind of screw ups, I suppose, trying to 215 00:09:48,950 --> 00:09:51,979 S2: do something good, like for the greater good. They're very 216 00:09:51,980 --> 00:09:55,579 S2: much a team and I think people connected with that 217 00:09:55,580 --> 00:10:02,180 S2: and and especially with Carmy, you know, he's this like talented, vulnerable, 218 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:05,390 S2: you know, flawed guy and he's just trying to maybe 219 00:10:05,390 --> 00:10:07,520 S2: do the right thing for his family and by the 220 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,370 S2: people who he loves. And that, I think is was 221 00:10:10,370 --> 00:10:12,290 S2: a big part of the appeal. And then like running 222 00:10:12,290 --> 00:10:17,480 S2: parallel to that, this show is, you know, almost like 223 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:22,219 S2: from the Uncut Gems School of Anxiety. It's an anxious show. And, 224 00:10:22,220 --> 00:10:24,140 S2: you know, Jeremy, Alan White and I spoke about this 225 00:10:24,140 --> 00:10:27,530 S2: last year. You know, a lot of people were feeling 226 00:10:27,530 --> 00:10:29,720 S2: very anxious over the last couple of years. And again, 227 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:32,809 S2: the bear tapped into that and it kind of like 228 00:10:32,990 --> 00:10:36,200 S2: reflected ourselves back on screen. And we saw a lot 229 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,079 S2: of our own fears and anxieties and worries, you know, 230 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,360 S2: like they're trying to pay the bills. They're trying to 231 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:43,220 S2: figure out if they'll be around next week and they're 232 00:10:43,220 --> 00:10:45,439 S2: trying to figure out what makes them happy and what 233 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,140 S2: is being satisfied. And am I doing this every day 234 00:10:48,140 --> 00:10:50,240 S2: because I'm just in this loop, or is it what 235 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:51,770 S2: I want to do? And I think, you know, they're 236 00:10:51,770 --> 00:10:54,530 S2: kind of like broad, large scale issues, but the bear 237 00:10:54,530 --> 00:10:57,020 S2: really tackled a lot of those. So yeah, I think in, 238 00:10:57,290 --> 00:11:00,170 S2: you know, it shows this environment of a restaurant, but 239 00:11:00,170 --> 00:11:03,440 S2: it really took a lot of the big picture things 240 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,390 S2: that we were all thinking about and kind of played 241 00:11:05,390 --> 00:11:06,230 S2: them back to us. 242 00:11:06,230 --> 00:11:07,880 S3: And I like the aesthetic of it too. Like it 243 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:09,679 S3: doesn't have the gloss of a lot of what we're 244 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:11,540 S3: seeing on TV at the moment. Like when you think 245 00:11:11,540 --> 00:11:15,950 S3: of beef on Netflix or succession on Binge, all great shows, 246 00:11:15,950 --> 00:11:18,890 S3: but it kind of has this really interesting aesthetic and 247 00:11:18,890 --> 00:11:21,740 S3: vibe to it and tone that I think we haven't 248 00:11:21,740 --> 00:11:23,840 S3: seen as much of on TV lately. 249 00:11:24,110 --> 00:11:27,260 S1: Yeah, I think Thomas and I have seen the the 250 00:11:27,260 --> 00:11:29,990 S1: first few episodes of the second season. We're going to 251 00:11:29,990 --> 00:11:31,850 S1: talk about it a little bit, but not spoil it. 252 00:11:31,850 --> 00:11:35,300 S1: I think what you just articulated then both of you guys, 253 00:11:35,300 --> 00:11:38,209 S1: as to the two different pieces of the show that 254 00:11:38,210 --> 00:11:40,670 S1: come together really well, I think the second season does 255 00:11:40,670 --> 00:11:42,920 S1: an even better job at like on one hand, it 256 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:46,400 S1: is kind of like just a workplace drama comedy. You've 257 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,329 S1: got this great cast of characters. Who all a pretty 258 00:11:49,330 --> 00:11:52,600 S1: fully realized and really interesting and have their own like 259 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:54,700 S1: that show did such a great job of helping me 260 00:11:54,700 --> 00:12:00,010 S1: understand what motivated every single character. From Carmy to Sydney 261 00:12:00,010 --> 00:12:03,880 S1: to the pastry chef to Ibrahim, who's just sort of 262 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,309 S1: like a line cook. And you get even more of 263 00:12:06,340 --> 00:12:10,960 S1: that in the second season. But alongside that screwball, almost 264 00:12:10,990 --> 00:12:15,460 S1: office esque comedy stuff, you have a problem solving show, 265 00:12:15,460 --> 00:12:17,980 S1: which is like, we have a challenge and in the 266 00:12:17,980 --> 00:12:21,520 S1: first season it's let's make this kitchen work. In the 267 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:24,429 S1: second season, they kind of blow the whole place up 268 00:12:24,429 --> 00:12:28,060 S1: and the plot is basically around turning the original beef 269 00:12:28,059 --> 00:12:31,750 S1: of Chicagoland into a fine dining restaurant. And that is 270 00:12:31,750 --> 00:12:35,170 S1: really fun to watch because you see them on this mission, 271 00:12:35,190 --> 00:12:38,949 S1: try to create something, build something. And when it comes 272 00:12:38,950 --> 00:12:42,730 S1: to food in particular, and like food on TV and 273 00:12:42,730 --> 00:12:46,060 S1: in film, I just don't think we've seen it done 274 00:12:46,059 --> 00:12:50,350 S1: that well that often. Like Anthony Bourdain famously said, that 275 00:12:50,350 --> 00:12:54,189 S1: Ratatouille was the best representation of like cooking culture on screen. 276 00:12:54,190 --> 00:12:56,290 S1: And I love Ratatouille and I'm not like taking shots 277 00:12:56,290 --> 00:12:59,740 S1: at it. But I think it is significant that the 278 00:12:59,740 --> 00:13:03,219 S1: animated movie about a rat is like what Bourdain reckons 279 00:13:03,220 --> 00:13:06,280 S1: was the best attempt to do cooking on TV. Did 280 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:08,859 S1: you guys think that that is a factor here like that? 281 00:13:08,860 --> 00:13:12,460 S1: This show just took fine dining and made it so watchable. 282 00:13:12,550 --> 00:13:17,920 S3: Firstly, it was about a chef, wasn't it? Yeah, I agree. 283 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:21,100 S3: Also with Chef's Table and the kind of proliferation of 284 00:13:21,100 --> 00:13:23,319 S3: shows like that, we have seen I think a lot 285 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:26,200 S3: on TV, a very glossy look at dining and I 286 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:29,920 S3: think the bear kind of showed a different angle to 287 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:32,679 S3: food that we hadn't seen as much of. I'm going 288 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:34,660 S3: to make a public service announcement, though, because I actually 289 00:13:34,660 --> 00:13:36,940 S3: fell a bit behind from the bear and I caused 290 00:13:36,940 --> 00:13:39,550 S3: quite a scene. I've made a real fool of myself 291 00:13:39,550 --> 00:13:41,050 S3: with Disney. You know how we were hanging out for 292 00:13:41,050 --> 00:13:44,380 S3: six months for the bear, finally dropped, went home, turned 293 00:13:44,380 --> 00:13:46,479 S3: on Disney. It was not on the screen. Do you 294 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:48,760 S3: remember me messaging you? I was like, Is your bear 295 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,459 S3: on your Disney? Wasn't there? I was like, Oh my God, 296 00:13:51,460 --> 00:13:54,100 S3: this is a news story. They've announced this date. It's 297 00:13:54,100 --> 00:13:57,100 S3: not on Disney's cooked it. So I called Disney and 298 00:13:57,100 --> 00:13:59,020 S3: I'm like, The bear's not on TV. 299 00:13:59,020 --> 00:14:00,640 S2: It's called Bob Iger. Hey, Bob, just. 300 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:02,020 S4: Hey, Walt. 301 00:14:02,260 --> 00:14:04,780 S3: We've got an issue here. And they were like, No, 302 00:14:04,780 --> 00:14:07,059 S3: it's definitely on TV. I'm like, messaging everyone. They're like, 303 00:14:07,059 --> 00:14:07,660 S3: It's on mine, too. 304 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:09,640 S1: So you called them. It's like 730 at night. You're 305 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:11,679 S1: in your lounge room. You're like Disney. I'm trying to 306 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:13,059 S1: watch the show. Where is it. 307 00:14:14,620 --> 00:14:14,890 S4: Mate? 308 00:14:14,890 --> 00:14:17,410 S3: I thought it was a new story. I thought I 309 00:14:17,410 --> 00:14:19,630 S3: was I was on it. I'm like, this is this. 310 00:14:19,630 --> 00:14:21,100 S2: Is like a type of phone call I received from my. 311 00:14:21,100 --> 00:14:22,090 S4: Mum. She's like. 312 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,050 S3: This is the chops you needed with Tom Cruise. Yeah. 313 00:14:26,050 --> 00:14:28,450 S3: So I called Disney. They were like, It's definitely on there. 314 00:14:28,450 --> 00:14:29,890 S3: All my friends had it on there. I was like, 315 00:14:29,890 --> 00:14:34,450 S3: This is cooked. I continued my campaign with Disney about 316 00:14:34,450 --> 00:14:36,610 S3: why it wasn't on there. It went on deep dive 317 00:14:36,610 --> 00:14:38,320 S3: and read it, and then like a week later I 318 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:42,640 S3: found out I apparently had child friendly settings on Disney. 319 00:14:43,180 --> 00:14:46,660 S3: So for my entire Disney watching experience, I had not 320 00:14:46,660 --> 00:14:48,270 S3: had like adult films. 321 00:14:48,270 --> 00:14:51,460 S4: So you weren't allowed the heat of the bed? Yeah, Yeah. 322 00:14:51,850 --> 00:14:54,310 S3: So, yeah, if it's not appearing, that's why. 323 00:14:54,490 --> 00:14:56,950 S2: Yes. Well, I feel like your Disney privileges should be 324 00:14:56,950 --> 00:14:58,090 S2: revoked because of that. 325 00:14:58,090 --> 00:14:58,440 S4: Yeah. 326 00:14:58,450 --> 00:15:00,480 S3: No, I was just watching, like, ratatouille on repeat. 327 00:15:01,090 --> 00:15:04,570 S2: Great movie. And yes, great, great representations of chefs on screen. 328 00:15:04,570 --> 00:15:06,730 S2: But yeah, I think the Bear did do a lot 329 00:15:06,730 --> 00:15:08,830 S2: of that. And you know, that was a big part 330 00:15:08,830 --> 00:15:12,070 S2: of the conversation. Like, you know, it's like people kind 331 00:15:12,070 --> 00:15:16,300 S2: of really got into carmy the bad boy, like fucked 332 00:15:16,300 --> 00:15:19,270 S2: up chef and he's smoking and he's so sexy and 333 00:15:19,270 --> 00:15:22,300 S2: he doesn't love anyone. That's why I need to love him. Oh, 334 00:15:22,300 --> 00:15:26,230 S2: my God. But. But, like, Carmy is kind of, like, 335 00:15:26,230 --> 00:15:29,380 S2: meant to be an interrogation of that bad boy chef trope, 336 00:15:29,380 --> 00:15:32,500 S2: you know, like, he's. He's not the type of person, like, 337 00:15:32,500 --> 00:15:35,020 S2: we root for him. But I think people kind of 338 00:15:35,020 --> 00:15:37,750 S2: got confused there because we've always been so obsessed with 339 00:15:37,750 --> 00:15:40,840 S2: like the bad boy chef, you know, like Bourdain, Marco 340 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:44,440 S2: Pierre White, like these guys that we love. And they seem, 341 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,620 S2: you know, like, so dangerous and stuff. So it's funny 342 00:15:47,620 --> 00:15:50,650 S2: that we do still really love that idea. And that trope, 343 00:15:50,650 --> 00:15:52,960 S2: but I feel like the show is not presenting that 344 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,300 S2: to us, but it's just like what we're as an audience, 345 00:15:55,300 --> 00:15:57,430 S2: like we're wanting it to be. 346 00:15:57,430 --> 00:15:59,800 S1: Yeah, there was a lot of discourse around this thing 347 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,710 S1: where people were like, Oh, I love Carmy. He's so 348 00:16:02,710 --> 00:16:05,920 S1: cool and hot and like, great. And it's like, Well, 349 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:08,440 S1: I think the show is deliberately trying to say that, like, 350 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,380 S1: that might be a trope that you have been trained 351 00:16:11,380 --> 00:16:16,600 S1: to think like this kind of confident white male chef 352 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,810 S1: in a kitchen full of like people of color and 353 00:16:19,810 --> 00:16:21,790 S1: women older and younger than him who he's a bit 354 00:16:21,790 --> 00:16:24,760 S1: dismissive towards. And then eventually, as the show progresses, you 355 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,730 S1: see him realize that he needs to like change what 356 00:16:27,730 --> 00:16:32,260 S1: he's been trained in, that sort of French, very hierarchical 357 00:16:32,260 --> 00:16:35,320 S1: cooking aesthetic. And I think that tension is still sort 358 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:37,960 S1: of playing out right. Like Sydney, played by the wonderful 359 00:16:37,990 --> 00:16:40,450 S1: Ayo Atterbury in the second season, is much more of 360 00:16:40,450 --> 00:16:44,410 S1: like a partner with Carmy, but he still has that 361 00:16:44,410 --> 00:16:47,560 S1: sense of superiority because of who he thinks he is and. 362 00:16:47,580 --> 00:16:49,860 S1: What he's entitled to, and she's coming from the complete 363 00:16:49,860 --> 00:16:52,980 S1: opposite place of being so insecure and unsure of herself. 364 00:16:52,980 --> 00:16:55,530 S1: And I think the show is really good at just 365 00:16:55,530 --> 00:16:58,670 S1: letting that tension play out without shoving it in your face. 366 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:00,960 S1: It's quite subtle and it's just there to be seen. 367 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,900 S1: There's no big speeches about like, you know, well, you're, 368 00:17:03,900 --> 00:17:06,270 S1: you're this arrogant, like, white cook and that's why you 369 00:17:06,270 --> 00:17:08,429 S1: don't belong that kind of thing. You just see it 370 00:17:08,430 --> 00:17:11,300 S1: happen as these characters discover things on their own. 371 00:17:11,310 --> 00:17:14,310 S2: Yeah, for sure. I've only seen the first three, but 372 00:17:14,310 --> 00:17:16,350 S2: you really get a sense of that. And yeah, like 373 00:17:16,350 --> 00:17:17,970 S2: you said, it is. It's also really nice to see 374 00:17:17,970 --> 00:17:20,669 S2: a show where all this is very much, you know, 375 00:17:20,670 --> 00:17:22,889 S2: Jeremy Alan White is the star of the show and 376 00:17:22,890 --> 00:17:25,290 S2: the face of the show and the very impressive arms 377 00:17:25,290 --> 00:17:26,490 S2: of the show, I must say. 378 00:17:26,700 --> 00:17:27,880 S1: But the arms are ridiculous. 379 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:29,880 S2: Oh, man, it's a joke. Like last night, like we 380 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:31,500 S2: watched the first three last night. My wife was like, 381 00:17:31,500 --> 00:17:33,959 S2: I don't like the show. It's too stressful. I was like, 382 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,210 S2: Shut up. I'm watching it. And she was like, God, 383 00:17:36,210 --> 00:17:39,640 S2: he's so fucking hot, though. Like, is that right? Well, 384 00:17:39,660 --> 00:17:41,340 S2: just like, make your mind. 385 00:17:41,369 --> 00:17:42,900 S3: Have you seen what I'm wearing? Like, I. 386 00:17:42,990 --> 00:17:44,160 S4: Was like, that's actually my. 387 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,170 S2: Aesthetic. Yeah. 388 00:17:46,170 --> 00:17:48,540 S1: So bit of Jonah Hill slipping out there just telling 389 00:17:48,540 --> 00:17:50,010 S1: you wife to shut up while you're on the couch. 390 00:17:50,010 --> 00:17:50,639 S4: Watching the show. 391 00:17:51,270 --> 00:17:52,290 S2: I was like, Can you please. 392 00:17:52,619 --> 00:17:52,979 S4: Take. 393 00:17:52,980 --> 00:17:55,560 S2: That bikini off? Winter? 394 00:17:57,450 --> 00:18:01,740 S3: Respect my boundaries. Do you think you'd be a good chef? 395 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:03,750 S2: I actually think I would be a pretty good chef. 396 00:18:03,750 --> 00:18:06,690 S2: I worked in a restaurant. Like when? What kind of restaurant? 397 00:18:06,690 --> 00:18:09,090 S2: An Italian restaurant. And the chef actually weirdly kind of 398 00:18:09,090 --> 00:18:11,340 S2: similar story. The chef was really talented, chef. And he 399 00:18:11,340 --> 00:18:13,920 S2: came back from London working in, like, fine dining to 400 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,409 S2: start a restaurant in like, the suburbs because his brother 401 00:18:16,410 --> 00:18:18,150 S2: was like a bit of a fuck up and his 402 00:18:18,150 --> 00:18:19,889 S2: mom was like, You need to come and start a 403 00:18:19,890 --> 00:18:21,330 S2: restaurant so he can have a job. 404 00:18:21,330 --> 00:18:22,710 S3: So we need to get this really good. 405 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:23,490 S4: Seriously. 406 00:18:24,900 --> 00:18:26,699 S2: This is your story and I loved it. And then obviously. 407 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:27,570 S3: Did you cook. 408 00:18:27,570 --> 00:18:28,410 S4: Or. No, no, I was away. 409 00:18:28,410 --> 00:18:30,780 S2: That I was away. Yeah. And obviously Osman is in 410 00:18:30,780 --> 00:18:32,429 S2: the restaurant game, so he gets it. 411 00:18:32,580 --> 00:18:33,780 S1: Well, I mean, this is this is one of the 412 00:18:33,780 --> 00:18:36,359 S1: things about this season that I found quite stressful because 413 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:39,790 S1: it is about a group of people gutting a restaurant 414 00:18:39,790 --> 00:18:41,820 S1: and trying to build something on a budget and do 415 00:18:41,820 --> 00:18:44,550 S1: something new and exciting. And it is like a little 416 00:18:44,550 --> 00:18:47,129 S1: bit triggering, frankly, the process that I went through a 417 00:18:47,130 --> 00:18:48,840 S1: couple of years ago. But can I ask you something, though? 418 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:50,369 S2: Like one of the things I found the most interesting 419 00:18:50,369 --> 00:18:52,470 S2: and this is not really a spoiler, but yeah, the 420 00:18:52,470 --> 00:18:54,090 S2: premise of season two is that they're starting this new 421 00:18:54,090 --> 00:18:57,870 S2: restaurant like the the logistics and the paperwork and the permits. Like, 422 00:18:57,869 --> 00:18:59,370 S2: is that all a real thing? 423 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:02,430 S1: Yeah, it's really it's really complicated. I mean, we had 424 00:19:02,430 --> 00:19:06,090 S1: a particular challenge because we were trying to like open 425 00:19:06,090 --> 00:19:09,240 S1: in the midst of Melbourne's lockdowns, sort of wrapping up. 426 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:12,510 S1: So there was all this extra like bureaucracy and complexity 427 00:19:12,510 --> 00:19:15,150 S1: around like you can open for takeaway, but we actually 428 00:19:15,150 --> 00:19:18,810 S1: can't send a council inspector there because it's technically lockdown. 429 00:19:18,810 --> 00:19:21,689 S1: And so we can't open until your licence, but we 430 00:19:21,690 --> 00:19:24,540 S1: can't give you a licence until things can get reopened again. 431 00:19:24,540 --> 00:19:28,290 S1: I don't know enough about the specifics of like Chicago 432 00:19:28,290 --> 00:19:31,620 S1: food licensing, but I think the one of the most 433 00:19:31,619 --> 00:19:35,970 S1: complicated things I've learnt about the food business is health 434 00:19:35,970 --> 00:19:40,260 S1: and safety, food permits, food safety, liquor licensing, all that 435 00:19:40,260 --> 00:19:43,320 S1: sort of stuff. And it is a real challenge, I think. 436 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:46,680 S1: Like I have my own experience in the hospital business 437 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:48,419 S1: as we're talking about, but I feel like what is 438 00:19:48,420 --> 00:19:50,550 S1: so interesting about this show is you talk to people 439 00:19:50,550 --> 00:19:54,869 S1: who've who've run businesses, who've built businesses, who've worked as chefs, 440 00:19:54,869 --> 00:19:57,750 S1: who's worked in front of house. Almost everyone says that 441 00:19:58,050 --> 00:20:01,650 S1: nothing has done a better job of representing hospital culture 442 00:20:01,650 --> 00:20:04,200 S1: like this show. And I think Christopher Storer, the showrunner, 443 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:07,109 S1: his sister Courtney Sara, has worked in a bunch of restaurants. 444 00:20:07,109 --> 00:20:10,200 S1: She's a consultant, Maddy Mathieson, who's who's on the show. 445 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,899 S1: He is a well known chef. Dave Chang I think 446 00:20:12,900 --> 00:20:15,720 S1: if not being a formal consultant is at least very 447 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:19,530 S1: good friends with Chris Storer. So he has a really 448 00:20:19,530 --> 00:20:23,790 S1: great insight into what contemporary food culture is like. And 449 00:20:23,790 --> 00:20:26,730 S1: I think what makes the second season even more interesting 450 00:20:26,730 --> 00:20:30,330 S1: is that it is about the business side of building 451 00:20:30,330 --> 00:20:34,920 S1: a fine dining establishment in a very specific post-COVID America. 452 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:38,940 S1: And that is a really big conversation in the food industry, 453 00:20:38,940 --> 00:20:41,970 S1: in the States and in Australia. Is what is food 454 00:20:41,970 --> 00:20:44,879 S1: culture going to be in this world where rents are 455 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:48,840 S1: really high, labor costs are high. It's a risk. People 456 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:50,790 S1: don't want to go out as much. The economy is 457 00:20:50,790 --> 00:20:53,639 S1: not doing that well. Are we facing the barrel of 458 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:57,570 S1: a world where only very, very rich groups and conglomerates 459 00:20:57,570 --> 00:21:01,619 S1: can create a good hospitality scene? Or can an independent 460 00:21:01,619 --> 00:21:05,250 S1: business run by someone like Kami or by us. 461 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:06,419 S4: See, in this. 462 00:21:06,420 --> 00:21:08,820 S1: Crazy modern world, I think that's that's a that's another 463 00:21:08,820 --> 00:21:12,090 S1: dynamic to the show that I find really interesting. Thomas 464 00:21:12,090 --> 00:21:13,800 S1: What else do people have to look forward to in 465 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:15,750 S1: this season without kind of giving too much away? 466 00:21:16,380 --> 00:21:20,010 S2: Well, I guess off the back of a very successful 467 00:21:20,010 --> 00:21:25,440 S2: first season and a very buzzed about period between seasons, 468 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,050 S2: basically everyone in Hollywood was like, Yo, I want to 469 00:21:28,050 --> 00:21:30,540 S2: be on the bear. So the guest cast for season 470 00:21:30,540 --> 00:21:34,140 S2: two is stacked. So you've got Will Poulter popping up 471 00:21:34,260 --> 00:21:37,590 S2: as a pastry chef who kind of shows Marcus the ropes. 472 00:21:37,590 --> 00:21:40,950 S2: We've got everyone's favorite from Better Call Saul, Bob Odenkirk 473 00:21:40,950 --> 00:21:43,410 S2: You've got Jamie Lee Curtis. And this one is not 474 00:21:43,410 --> 00:21:45,540 S2: really a spoiler because it's been everywhere. Jamie Lee Curtis 475 00:21:45,540 --> 00:21:50,370 S2: playing Comey's mother. John Mulaney, Sarah Paulson, Gillian Jacobs, Oscar 476 00:21:50,369 --> 00:21:54,270 S2: winner Olivia Colman and Joel McHale from Community Returns. He 477 00:21:54,270 --> 00:21:56,879 S2: was in season one, kind of like as a as 478 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:58,800 S2: a flashback of calm. He's very intense. 479 00:21:58,830 --> 00:22:01,280 S1: It was so good playing that sort of evil chef. 480 00:22:01,290 --> 00:22:03,570 S2: Yeah, so good. And one of the kind of bigger 481 00:22:03,570 --> 00:22:06,570 S2: guest stars is Molly Gordon from Booksmart, who plays a 482 00:22:06,570 --> 00:22:09,060 S2: semi love interest. So, like, it's amazing, you know, and 483 00:22:09,060 --> 00:22:10,859 S2: it's so funny because I can fully see it, especially 484 00:22:10,859 --> 00:22:12,780 S2: the the vibe of a lot of those guest stars. 485 00:22:12,780 --> 00:22:14,190 S2: You can tell they would have all been into the 486 00:22:14,190 --> 00:22:17,160 S2: first series and they've obviously just like started banging down 487 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,440 S2: the door of Christmas or being like, Please find me 488 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:20,580 S2: a slot to be on the bed. 489 00:22:21,450 --> 00:22:23,490 S3: How do you feel this will compare to kind of 490 00:22:23,490 --> 00:22:27,000 S3: the hype and the discussion that surrounded succession? Because I 491 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,130 S3: know a lot of people have spoken about the bear 492 00:22:29,130 --> 00:22:31,500 S3: being the next big thing that everyone's looking forward to 493 00:22:31,500 --> 00:22:34,560 S3: after succession, but do you think it will in Australia 494 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,980 S3: quite generate the levels of engagement that succession did? Well, you. 495 00:22:37,980 --> 00:22:39,750 S1: Know what one of the weird things is about this 496 00:22:39,750 --> 00:22:41,790 S1: show is that it drops all at once. 497 00:22:42,090 --> 00:22:43,320 S4: Which is unusual. 498 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,410 S1: For a non Netflix show. It's unusual for a Disney show. 499 00:22:46,410 --> 00:22:49,139 S1: It's unusual for like most shows now, which are trending 500 00:22:49,140 --> 00:22:51,330 S1: away from the binge model. And I feel like this 501 00:22:51,330 --> 00:22:54,540 S1: show could really benefit from like a weekly drop. It 502 00:22:54,540 --> 00:22:57,510 S1: would build so much anticipation. You could spend every week 503 00:22:57,510 --> 00:22:58,680 S1: talking like we. 504 00:22:58,680 --> 00:22:59,929 S4: Were actually could. 505 00:23:00,270 --> 00:23:00,810 S3: Could do that. 506 00:23:00,810 --> 00:23:02,580 S1: Yeah, Yeah. With the three of us could have gotten 507 00:23:02,700 --> 00:23:04,439 S1: two and a half months of content out of it. 508 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:04,679 S1: What do you. 509 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:05,659 S4: Think, Thomas? It's. 510 00:23:05,660 --> 00:23:08,639 S2: It's so annoying. Like, the binge model is dead unless 511 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,260 S2: you work at Netflix who are, like, wedded to it 512 00:23:10,260 --> 00:23:13,350 S2: because it's their brand. But it's just, it's so annoying like. 513 00:23:13,980 --> 00:23:17,070 S2: Especially what I would have done if I was running 514 00:23:17,070 --> 00:23:18,960 S2: Disney and Mel was calling me at night to figure 515 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,390 S2: out why she couldn't watch anything I would have done. 516 00:23:21,390 --> 00:23:23,010 S2: Like because I watched the first three last night. And 517 00:23:23,010 --> 00:23:24,510 S2: I do feel like it was good to watch three 518 00:23:24,510 --> 00:23:26,790 S2: in a row to get back in, but like three 519 00:23:26,790 --> 00:23:28,530 S2: in a row. And then, you know, one a week 520 00:23:28,530 --> 00:23:30,660 S2: for the next seven weeks. And everyone I've spoken to, 521 00:23:30,660 --> 00:23:33,359 S2: like in the media world who has watched the show 522 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,370 S2: has been like, you know, like loved it, but so 523 00:23:35,369 --> 00:23:38,070 S2: annoying that it's all coming out at once because inevitably 524 00:23:38,070 --> 00:23:40,139 S2: you do feel like you'll just watch it maybe over 525 00:23:40,140 --> 00:23:41,429 S2: like a week or something. 526 00:23:41,790 --> 00:23:43,679 S1: Or your friends will be at a different level to 527 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,450 S1: where you are. So it's like, Oh, have you seen 528 00:23:45,450 --> 00:23:47,750 S1: that bit yet? I don't really want to give it away. 529 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,310 S1: It just makes it really hard to enjoy it collectively. Yeah. 530 00:23:50,310 --> 00:23:51,810 S2: And like, I mean, I guess the episodes are short. 531 00:23:51,810 --> 00:23:54,209 S2: There are only 28, 29 minutes, so it's different to 532 00:23:54,210 --> 00:23:57,450 S2: succession in that that was so packed and an extra 533 00:23:57,450 --> 00:23:59,730 S2: 15 minutes longer or more as we got at the 534 00:23:59,730 --> 00:24:02,550 S2: end of the season. But and sometimes it can feel 535 00:24:02,550 --> 00:24:04,680 S2: funny doing a weekly drop with a half hour show. 536 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,480 S2: It feels like it's like over really quick. But then, 537 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,010 S2: I don't know, do two a week, do something else. 538 00:24:08,010 --> 00:24:09,840 S2: Like I just think having all of them come out 539 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:11,699 S2: at once, it's it's frustrating. 540 00:24:11,700 --> 00:24:14,159 S3: Also, as we know, next week is a big viewing week. 541 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:18,300 S3: We're spoilt for choice with Barbie Oppenheimer and the barrel dropping. 542 00:24:18,300 --> 00:24:19,710 S3: I mean it would have been nice if they could 543 00:24:19,710 --> 00:24:20,460 S3: have kind of. 544 00:24:20,490 --> 00:24:21,810 S4: Spread it out. Exactly. 545 00:24:21,810 --> 00:24:24,570 S1: You couldn't think of a way to cook this release 546 00:24:24,570 --> 00:24:26,400 S1: more in this country then they have. 547 00:24:26,580 --> 00:24:27,929 S2: Al dente Disney. 548 00:24:38,859 --> 00:24:40,820 S1: We'll be back to cover this series in more detail 549 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:44,169 S1: once it is finally out and everyone else can watch it. 550 00:24:44,170 --> 00:24:47,800 S1: But for now, let's. Let's return to our Emmy conversation. 551 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,650 S1: By the time you're listening to this, nominations will have 552 00:24:50,650 --> 00:24:54,850 S1: been announced. So it's potentially risky and stupid to to 553 00:24:54,850 --> 00:24:57,610 S1: do predictions of what will be nominated. So I thought 554 00:24:57,609 --> 00:25:00,429 S1: what we could do instead is run through there's a 555 00:25:00,430 --> 00:25:03,460 S1: website called Gold Derby. It is very good at predicting 556 00:25:03,460 --> 00:25:07,510 S1: nominations for things like the Oscars, the Grammys and the Emmys. 557 00:25:07,510 --> 00:25:10,600 S1: And I think looking at what they've got on their list, 558 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,850 S1: it seems pretty safe. It's just a good opportunity to 559 00:25:12,850 --> 00:25:15,010 S1: talk about what is likely to be nominated. And we 560 00:25:15,010 --> 00:25:16,869 S1: can talk about who we think is probably going to 561 00:25:16,869 --> 00:25:19,180 S1: win as well, if that makes sense to you guys. 562 00:25:19,180 --> 00:25:20,560 S1: Should we should we give that a bit of a 563 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:21,220 S1: run through? 564 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,229 S3: Yeah, let's do it. We are risky people. 565 00:25:23,230 --> 00:25:25,480 S1: So the way the Emmys generally work for TV, they 566 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,690 S1: split things up into comedy and drama and have best 567 00:25:28,690 --> 00:25:32,109 S1: comedy series, best drama and best actor and actress in 568 00:25:32,109 --> 00:25:36,310 S1: each of those. So for best comedy, the most likely nominees, 569 00:25:36,310 --> 00:25:40,480 S1: according to Gold Derby are Ted Lasso, Abbott Elementary, The 570 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:44,920 S1: Bear only murders in the building, Barry The Marvelous Mrs. 571 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:49,389 S1: Maisel Poker Face and Shrinking. And my immediate reaction to 572 00:25:49,390 --> 00:25:52,450 S1: that is that's like a lot of great television that 573 00:25:52,450 --> 00:25:55,300 S1: is so much more exciting than the days of the 574 00:25:55,300 --> 00:25:57,430 S1: Big Bang Theory versus young Sheldon. 575 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,640 S3: Apart from Ted Lasso, which hasn't been funny since its 576 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:01,300 S3: first season. 577 00:26:01,300 --> 00:26:03,220 S2: But also, I mean, I know this is not what 578 00:26:03,250 --> 00:26:05,169 S2: the point of this segment is, but my immediate reaction 579 00:26:05,170 --> 00:26:06,520 S2: is like, Oh, this is the problem with the Emmys. 580 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,399 S2: Like The Bear is not really a comedy. And to 581 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,460 S2: be in the same category as I mean, even Ted Lasso, 582 00:26:12,460 --> 00:26:16,179 S2: which is more traditionally or Abbott Elementary, definitely more traditional comedies. Yeah, I'd. 583 00:26:16,180 --> 00:26:18,790 S1: Say Poker Face is not really a comedy either. The 584 00:26:18,790 --> 00:26:22,720 S1: Natasha Leone sort of murder mystery series, it seems to be. 585 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,360 S1: I was listening to some other smart podcasters talk about 586 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,330 S1: this that traditionally if things were half an hour, there 587 00:26:28,330 --> 00:26:30,760 S1: were comedy and if there were like 50 minute things, 588 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,609 S1: they were dramas. But that doesn't really make sense at 589 00:26:33,609 --> 00:26:36,370 S1: all in this era. There's a lot of category fraud 590 00:26:36,369 --> 00:26:38,410 S1: that I think goes on with these awards as well, 591 00:26:38,410 --> 00:26:41,679 S1: where producers and distributors are like looking for where they 592 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,810 S1: think they might have the most success. And I think 593 00:26:43,810 --> 00:26:45,190 S1: no one wants to be in drama. 594 00:26:45,190 --> 00:26:47,980 S2: Yeah, we'll avoid succession in the drama category. And so like, yeah, 595 00:26:47,980 --> 00:26:50,949 S2: the bear's hilarious as he's like sitting in fucking AA 596 00:26:50,950 --> 00:26:52,030 S2: breaking our hearts. 597 00:26:52,869 --> 00:26:55,330 S1: And like Jeremy Alan White, He said he's nominated for 598 00:26:55,330 --> 00:26:58,360 S1: best comedy actor and is tipped as the favorite to win. 599 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,939 S1: And you feel like he's got a good chance because 600 00:27:00,940 --> 00:27:03,910 S1: he is so good in the show. But you think 601 00:27:03,910 --> 00:27:07,810 S1: if he was in drama up against Kieran Culkin and 602 00:27:07,810 --> 00:27:12,369 S1: the succession cast, he would probably miss out. So maybe 603 00:27:12,369 --> 00:27:13,899 S1: it's a good strategy there. 604 00:27:13,900 --> 00:27:16,419 S2: But anyway, my personal pick, I think everyone hated the 605 00:27:16,420 --> 00:27:18,580 S2: final season of Ted Lasso so much. I think Abbott 606 00:27:18,580 --> 00:27:21,460 S2: Elementary will take that out. Actually. I think they might 607 00:27:21,460 --> 00:27:25,330 S2: pip the bear. Abbott Elementary hasn't. It's not as like 608 00:27:25,330 --> 00:27:28,570 S2: widespread over here, like it's the appreciation for it, but 609 00:27:28,570 --> 00:27:31,570 S2: it's very, very funny and Quinta Brunson amazing, you know 610 00:27:31,570 --> 00:27:33,210 S2: so I think that will win. 611 00:27:33,220 --> 00:27:34,959 S3: I want to go for Barry because I thought the 612 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:39,190 S3: final season was sensational and that whole show has been sensational. 613 00:27:39,190 --> 00:27:40,930 S3: So I'd like I'd like to see Barry get a 614 00:27:40,930 --> 00:27:41,770 S3: bit of the limelight. 615 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:43,690 S1: I agree. Barry is probably my favorite in that list. 616 00:27:43,690 --> 00:27:46,030 S1: So I think Thomas is right that Abbott Elementary will win. 617 00:27:46,030 --> 00:27:49,060 S1: It's just so popular and so wholesome. And Quinta Brunson 618 00:27:49,060 --> 00:27:52,000 S1: is tipped for best comedy actress. Barry is another weird one. 619 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,130 S1: I mean, like the last season of Barry, like 400 620 00:27:54,130 --> 00:27:57,369 S1: people get shot to death. It is a really grim 621 00:27:57,369 --> 00:28:00,220 S1: and violent and dark show to be in the comedy. 622 00:28:00,220 --> 00:28:02,350 S1: I like Bill Hader as a comedian. He's funny, but 623 00:28:02,350 --> 00:28:04,330 S1: I feel like if you asked him about Barry, he 624 00:28:04,330 --> 00:28:07,600 S1: wouldn't be like, This is my comedy masterpiece. This is 625 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,200 S1: his like, dark interrogation of Hollywood in the American psyche. 626 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:12,760 S3: Yeah, definitely. I think they need to do a review 627 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,669 S3: into the genres. I'm going to yeah, I think I 628 00:28:15,670 --> 00:28:17,439 S3: think that's what needs to happen here is it called him. 629 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,040 S1: Up call up you made to Disney to. 630 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:19,689 S4: Speak to get. 631 00:28:19,690 --> 00:28:20,140 S3: The hook up. 632 00:28:21,220 --> 00:28:24,820 S1: When we talk about drama the main question really is 633 00:28:24,820 --> 00:28:29,530 S1: just like will anyone but succession win any category in this? 634 00:28:29,530 --> 00:28:34,060 S1: Like the best drama series is pretty interesting. Such succession. 635 00:28:34,060 --> 00:28:37,600 S1: The White Lotus, The Last of Us Better Call Saul 636 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:42,520 S1: the Crown Snooze Yellowjackets, House of the Dragon and Andor. 637 00:28:42,550 --> 00:28:45,580 S1: That's a lot of like really big shows. But I 638 00:28:45,580 --> 00:28:47,530 S1: think we would all agree that succession is just going 639 00:28:47,530 --> 00:28:49,030 S1: to completely wipe the bullet. 640 00:28:49,030 --> 00:28:51,820 S3: Yeah, you would think so, though. The White Lotus would 641 00:28:51,820 --> 00:28:54,940 S3: stand a fighting chance. And again, that's one that could 642 00:28:54,940 --> 00:28:57,070 S3: also kind of fit in the comedy series that is 643 00:28:57,070 --> 00:28:58,300 S3: between categories. 644 00:28:58,300 --> 00:28:59,050 S4: Yeah, totally. 645 00:28:59,050 --> 00:29:00,640 S2: That's more of a comedy than the Bear. 646 00:29:01,210 --> 00:29:04,240 S3: Yeah, definitely Seeing House of the Dragon on there. That 647 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,459 S3: was a show I was. I'm very glad that I 648 00:29:06,460 --> 00:29:07,990 S3: had forgotten until now. 649 00:29:07,990 --> 00:29:09,160 S4: Like I forgot that. 650 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:09,940 S1: Was definitely a. 651 00:29:09,940 --> 00:29:11,350 S3: Show so bad. 652 00:29:11,500 --> 00:29:13,270 S2: Man. This is like not even a this is a 653 00:29:13,270 --> 00:29:15,370 S2: fucking no brainer. If succession doesn't win, I will get 654 00:29:15,370 --> 00:29:20,709 S2: Ewan's eulogy like tattooed on my back. This is like 655 00:29:20,710 --> 00:29:23,469 S2: in the bag. And aside from the fact that the 656 00:29:23,470 --> 00:29:26,710 S2: Emmys are obsessed with rewarding shows for their final season, 657 00:29:26,710 --> 00:29:30,310 S2: no matter how good the final season may be. And 658 00:29:30,310 --> 00:29:32,340 S2: then on top of that, succession was obviously amazing. Yeah. 659 00:29:32,350 --> 00:29:35,080 S2: This one is is in the bag, really. The question 660 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,230 S2: is and we spoke about this a lot during the season. 661 00:29:38,230 --> 00:29:41,560 S2: Because there were so many like award baiting moments from, 662 00:29:41,590 --> 00:29:45,250 S2: you know, especially the siblings and succession, basically, it's going 663 00:29:45,250 --> 00:29:49,930 S2: to be like. Kendall versus Roman once more. Jeremy Strong 664 00:29:49,930 --> 00:29:52,870 S2: versus Kieran. Totally. Me versus Mel. 665 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,070 S1: I mean, yeah. So for for the actress category, I 666 00:29:57,070 --> 00:29:59,440 S1: think Sarah Snook is a lock for winning best drama 667 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,560 S1: actress in that. But yeah, the actor category, Jeremy Strong 668 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:07,479 S1: versus Kieran Culkin, I, I feel like Kieran could get 669 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,280 S1: the win on this. I feel like he just really 670 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,470 S1: went for it in that season. I feel like the 671 00:30:11,470 --> 00:30:15,520 S1: Jeremy Strong Hive peaked Season two, Season three, and I 672 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,280 S1: think there's a chance now and I hope it is. 673 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,200 S1: I mean, we should also say Brian Cox is also 674 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:20,890 S1: in this category. 675 00:30:20,890 --> 00:30:21,550 S4: It would be the most. 676 00:30:21,550 --> 00:30:22,840 S2: Logan thing if he won. 677 00:30:23,380 --> 00:30:23,890 S4: If he won. 678 00:30:23,890 --> 00:30:26,590 S1: In the end after dying a few episodes in. 679 00:30:27,340 --> 00:30:30,730 S3: Yeah, I, I kind of I agree. I think Kieran 680 00:30:30,730 --> 00:30:33,430 S3: will probably win, but I think Jeremy Strong might deserve 681 00:30:33,430 --> 00:30:38,500 S3: to win but because we had seen shocking. No wait 682 00:30:38,620 --> 00:30:42,400 S3: this is a role reversal I think because we have 683 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,090 S3: seen Jeremy Strong go to those depths of acting in 684 00:30:46,090 --> 00:30:48,940 S3: his character before, whereas Kieran was more of a kind 685 00:30:48,940 --> 00:30:52,810 S3: of stand out star in this season. Kieran might might 686 00:30:52,810 --> 00:30:53,890 S3: take the cake. 687 00:30:53,890 --> 00:30:56,410 S2: Yeah, I kind of think so too. Like Jeremy Strong 688 00:30:56,410 --> 00:30:59,590 S2: won in 2020, I think. And I do think there 689 00:30:59,590 --> 00:31:02,200 S2: is always a bit of like, Oh, he's got one, 690 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,720 S2: so we'll make sure we spread the love. I think 691 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,210 S2: for the first half of the final season, I was like, okay, 692 00:31:07,210 --> 00:31:10,420 S2: Kieran Culkin is, you know, this is his season. I 693 00:31:10,420 --> 00:31:13,600 S2: think Jeremy Strong finished, stronger. And and the longer it 694 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,060 S2: went on, I do think there was like a bit 695 00:31:16,060 --> 00:31:18,370 S2: of a feel of like Kieran Culkin having his moments, 696 00:31:18,370 --> 00:31:20,950 S2: whereas Jeremy Strong, I forgot he was an actor, which 697 00:31:20,950 --> 00:31:23,020 S2: I think a lot of people do. He's just so amazing. 698 00:31:23,020 --> 00:31:25,660 S2: I do think maybe he does deserve it a bit more, 699 00:31:25,660 --> 00:31:27,280 S2: but I think Kieran Culkin will win. And I also 700 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,920 S2: think on that entire list, Kieran Culkin would give the 701 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:30,910 S2: best acceptance speech. 702 00:31:31,180 --> 00:31:34,120 S3: Yeah, that's a good if. It's like his funeral speech 703 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,430 S3: is anything to go by. I'm kind of sad to 704 00:31:36,430 --> 00:31:38,110 S3: not to see Tom on there. 705 00:31:38,110 --> 00:31:39,220 S2: He's best supporting. 706 00:31:39,220 --> 00:31:39,910 S4: Oh, he gets to be. 707 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,030 S1: So in best supporting actor for drama. This could be 708 00:31:43,030 --> 00:31:47,080 S1: like a four way contest between Matthew Macfadyen, Alan Ruck, 709 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,800 S1: Nicholas Braun and Alexander Skarsgard. And I honestly would be 710 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,060 S1: happy to see any of those guys win. I think like, 711 00:31:54,100 --> 00:31:56,350 S1: as you guys know, I was obsessed with Skarsgard in 712 00:31:56,350 --> 00:31:58,390 S1: this season. I think it would be amazing for him 713 00:31:58,390 --> 00:32:00,280 S1: to just come in and win an Emmy off the 714 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:01,360 S1: back of that as well. 715 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,040 S2: Yeah, just like rocked up in a hoodie and those 716 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:04,160 S2: like Kanye slides. 717 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:04,330 S4: Yeah. 718 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,740 S1: The a couple of other categories I wanted to run through. 719 00:32:08,740 --> 00:32:11,740 S1: One of them is probably the White Lotus best chance 720 00:32:11,740 --> 00:32:14,050 S1: to pick up an Emmy. I mean, we we all 721 00:32:14,050 --> 00:32:16,990 S1: enjoyed the season, but succession, I think, will just dominate. 722 00:32:16,990 --> 00:32:20,140 S1: But Jennifer Coolidge is tipped to probably be the favorite 723 00:32:20,140 --> 00:32:23,530 S1: in best supporting actress. That feels right to me in 724 00:32:23,530 --> 00:32:24,760 S1: terms of where she's at. 725 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,280 S3: Yeah, I'd definitely back that. But I could also see 726 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:31,570 S3: Aubrey Plaza and Megan Fahey kind of very comfortably take that. 727 00:32:31,570 --> 00:32:33,700 S3: Did you guys have a favorite from the show? Because 728 00:32:33,700 --> 00:32:35,500 S3: I think Megan Fahey, in terms of the range that 729 00:32:35,500 --> 00:32:38,890 S3: she had to show in in White Lotus was pretty impressive. 730 00:32:38,890 --> 00:32:41,200 S2: Yeah, I mean, it'd be interesting, like Jennifer Coolidge is 731 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,170 S2: obviously like she's having a moment a year. She won 732 00:32:44,170 --> 00:32:46,540 S2: this category last year, so that would be her going 733 00:32:46,540 --> 00:32:48,420 S2: back to back which I always. 734 00:32:48,430 --> 00:32:49,750 S3: A little Emmy historian. 735 00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:52,780 S2: Yeah. Well, you know, I do love TV. No, I 736 00:32:52,780 --> 00:32:55,480 S2: think Jennifer Coolidge going back to back is a big chance. 737 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,580 S2: But I do think there is sometimes a hesitation to 738 00:32:57,610 --> 00:33:00,340 S2: to reward that. I actually don't. And again, this is 739 00:33:00,340 --> 00:33:02,830 S2: like unpopular opinion. I she was probably one of my 740 00:33:02,830 --> 00:33:05,080 S2: least favorite characters on the White Lotus and I don't 741 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,180 S2: really think Jennifer Coolidge is great, but I don't think 742 00:33:07,180 --> 00:33:09,670 S2: she was like stretching herself in that series. So in 743 00:33:09,670 --> 00:33:11,800 S2: terms of actual merit, I don't know if she is 744 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,900 S2: perhaps the most deserving. I think anyone who watched Better 745 00:33:13,900 --> 00:33:16,900 S2: Call Saul would say Ray Seehorn is, you know, like 746 00:33:16,900 --> 00:33:19,330 S2: her performance in that final season was incredible. And I 747 00:33:19,330 --> 00:33:21,070 S2: also think like if if it were up to me 748 00:33:21,070 --> 00:33:23,080 S2: and again, it's not, sadly, I'd probably give it to 749 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:23,800 S2: Aubrey Plaza. 750 00:33:24,220 --> 00:33:26,410 S3: Yeah, I think you're right with Jennifer Coolidge. She kind 751 00:33:26,410 --> 00:33:28,480 S3: of has a bit that her character stuck to where 752 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,700 S3: the others, I think, had a harder role in portraying 753 00:33:30,700 --> 00:33:35,320 S3: certain ambiguities in their roles. Elizabeth Debicki in The Crown 754 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,350 S3: was pretty impressive. Like, I feel like the latest season, everyone, 755 00:33:38,350 --> 00:33:40,830 S3: I don't know, it kind of got lost. Yeah, see? 756 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,910 S1: Yeah, the crown is boring. But the one thing that 757 00:33:42,910 --> 00:33:45,340 S1: it did have going for it was debicki like, I 758 00:33:45,340 --> 00:33:50,290 S1: love Dickie. She's incredible. She's great in everything. Obviously she's Australian. 759 00:33:50,290 --> 00:33:51,969 S1: That's not the reason I love her. I'm not like 760 00:33:51,970 --> 00:33:54,100 S1: that patriotic, to be honest. Most people who know me 761 00:33:54,100 --> 00:33:54,580 S1: know that. 762 00:33:54,580 --> 00:33:56,140 S4: But she loved the crown. 763 00:33:56,140 --> 00:33:57,490 S1: She. She was really good. 764 00:33:57,490 --> 00:33:58,960 S4: And I love Princess Diana. You didn't even you didn't 765 00:33:58,960 --> 00:33:59,630 S4: like Paul Kelly. 766 00:34:02,500 --> 00:34:04,690 S1: That is slander. That is slander. One of us on 767 00:34:04,690 --> 00:34:08,230 S1: this podcast has spent an hour crying with Paul Kelly 768 00:34:08,230 --> 00:34:11,380 S1: on another podcast talking about Christmas and family and love. 769 00:34:11,380 --> 00:34:14,320 S1: Thomas So watch yourself. 770 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:15,100 S3: And the Gravy. 771 00:34:17,500 --> 00:34:19,390 S1: The other category that I thought would be interesting to 772 00:34:19,390 --> 00:34:22,719 S1: just mention is Best Limited series, which I think is 773 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,239 S1: also got a bunch of great nominations in there. Daisy 774 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,910 S1: Jones in the sixth Fleishman is in Trouble, which we 775 00:34:27,910 --> 00:34:31,180 S1: all really, really liked. Blackbird Monster, The Jeffrey Dahmer Story. 776 00:34:31,180 --> 00:34:33,939 S1: But beef is likely going to be in the mix. 777 00:34:33,940 --> 00:34:36,610 S1: I think that would be a pretty deserved win. That 778 00:34:36,610 --> 00:34:38,860 S1: show just seemed to, again, kind of like the bear 779 00:34:38,890 --> 00:34:42,040 S1: come out of nowhere and just blow everyone's minds. 780 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,709 S2: Yeah, it'd be such a shame if monster like gets 781 00:34:44,710 --> 00:34:46,950 S2: up there because it was so popular. It's like probably 782 00:34:46,950 --> 00:34:48,569 S2: the worst show on that list. 783 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,169 S3: Yeah, I think beef is the well deserving of that. 784 00:34:52,170 --> 00:34:54,600 S3: Or Fleishman is in trouble, which again, kind of flew 785 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,520 S3: a little under the radar. I think. 786 00:34:56,969 --> 00:34:57,430 S4: Much attention. 787 00:34:57,510 --> 00:34:59,070 S2: Dropped in like November, December at the end of the 788 00:34:59,070 --> 00:35:01,530 S2: year when people had maxed out and stuff. But some 789 00:35:01,530 --> 00:35:03,390 S2: really good performances in there and yeah, definitely. 790 00:35:03,390 --> 00:35:05,279 S1: Ruined my life over that period. 791 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,580 S2: Yeah, it's pretty it's pretty grim if you're an aging millennial. Yeah. 792 00:35:08,940 --> 00:35:11,160 S3: I enjoyed Daisy Jones in the Sex, the music, and 793 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:12,570 S3: it was great. But I don't it didn't I don't 794 00:35:12,570 --> 00:35:14,580 S3: think it's a show that will stick with me really 795 00:35:14,580 --> 00:35:16,860 S3: good watch maybe a good sick day watch like and 796 00:35:16,860 --> 00:35:19,500 S3: just like that. But yeah not life changing. 797 00:35:21,030 --> 00:35:22,920 S1: Yeah let's let's leave the Amish out there. I mean, 798 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,110 S1: at the very least, that's a long list of shows 799 00:35:25,110 --> 00:35:26,910 S1: to catch up on. If you haven't seen them in 800 00:35:26,910 --> 00:35:29,730 S1: the in the next couple of weeks before the Emmys 801 00:35:29,730 --> 00:35:33,779 S1: actually happen to round up today's EP. Thought it would 802 00:35:33,780 --> 00:35:37,020 S1: be nice to hear from you guys what you're watching 803 00:35:37,020 --> 00:35:39,060 S1: what you've been watching, what you recommend. I know, Thomas, 804 00:35:39,060 --> 00:35:41,819 S1: you've been you've been diving deep into the history of 805 00:35:41,820 --> 00:35:45,570 S1: a of a Greek kind of comrade of yours. 806 00:35:45,570 --> 00:35:46,260 S4: Yes. 807 00:35:46,620 --> 00:35:51,000 S1: It's not it's not former finance minister Yanis Varoufakis. Who 808 00:35:51,030 --> 00:35:53,330 S1: who who is it? And what is this show? 809 00:35:53,340 --> 00:35:56,880 S2: Well, as you know, I get like an email alert 810 00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,030 S2: every time a Greek anyone any any second or third 811 00:36:00,030 --> 00:36:04,920 S2: generation Greg does something. No. So I saw on Netflix 812 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,920 S2: the WAM documentary had dropped. And you know I'm not 813 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,680 S2: really a big wham guy. Like obviously I'm aware of them, 814 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,660 S2: but I didn't very much of the backstory. Love George 815 00:36:12,660 --> 00:36:15,810 S2: Michael or Yoda as he was born. 816 00:36:16,230 --> 00:36:16,469 S4: Well. 817 00:36:18,090 --> 00:36:19,740 S2: And I know that you also watched over the weekend, 818 00:36:19,830 --> 00:36:21,810 S2: but it was it was actually like a really well 819 00:36:21,810 --> 00:36:25,680 S2: made documentary. And it tells like an unusual story, I think, 820 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,920 S2: in music. Like, I think if we normally see a 821 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,190 S2: music documentary, you expect there to be like this spectacular rise. 822 00:36:32,190 --> 00:36:34,560 S2: And then quite a dramatic fall. But the story of 823 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,710 S2: Wham of George Michael and Andrew Ridgeley is that they 824 00:36:37,710 --> 00:36:40,080 S2: basically like two best friends from like when they were 825 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:44,700 S2: 11 and they become this incredibly successful act. They sold 826 00:36:44,700 --> 00:36:48,020 S2: like 30 million records between 1982 and 1996. You know, 827 00:36:48,030 --> 00:36:50,790 S2: everyone knows their songs. And then they kind of had 828 00:36:50,790 --> 00:36:53,759 S2: this really beautiful end to the career. And then George Michael, 829 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,390 S2: you know, throughout the Wham story, had, you know, evolved 830 00:36:57,390 --> 00:36:59,580 S2: as this very talented artist. And at the end of 831 00:36:59,580 --> 00:37:01,140 S2: their time together, he went on to become one of 832 00:37:01,140 --> 00:37:04,320 S2: the world's most successful solo artists. And, you know, they 833 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,719 S2: use lots of archival footage and it's also a great 834 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,580 S2: snapshot of the 80s and stuff. I just thought it 835 00:37:08,580 --> 00:37:10,140 S2: was quite a beautiful documentary and good. 836 00:37:10,140 --> 00:37:11,370 S3: To see yourself reflected. 837 00:37:11,370 --> 00:37:13,620 S2: Yeah, exactly. And yeah, well, I mean, he literally had 838 00:37:13,620 --> 00:37:15,989 S2: to change his name because people were like. Panagiotis I 839 00:37:15,989 --> 00:37:18,390 S2: don't think so. And you know, my real last name 840 00:37:18,390 --> 00:37:19,950 S2: isn't Mitchell, but that's for a different pod. 841 00:37:20,070 --> 00:37:23,640 S3: Yeah. This was by the director of Tiger King and Fire. 842 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,469 S3: I was same as you. I loved it. Didn't know 843 00:37:25,469 --> 00:37:27,660 S3: much about Wham, but loved the story of these two 844 00:37:27,660 --> 00:37:30,540 S3: men and their changing dynamic from when they were kids, 845 00:37:30,540 --> 00:37:32,489 S3: where the power dynamic was very different to when they 846 00:37:32,489 --> 00:37:35,460 S3: became famous and George Michael really came to the the fore. 847 00:37:35,460 --> 00:37:38,880 S3: I thought Andrew Ridgeley was kind of what a saint. 848 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,069 S3: Just wanted the best for George. Michael wanted him to 849 00:37:41,070 --> 00:37:43,350 S3: go and flourish. I kept expecting their band to kind 850 00:37:43,350 --> 00:37:45,600 S3: of blow up in the way, I don't know, like 851 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:49,710 S3: you see other other bands at towards their end. But no, 852 00:37:50,460 --> 00:37:52,260 S3: maybe the show is glossing over it a bit, but 853 00:37:52,260 --> 00:37:55,320 S3: it does show this kind of real love between them 854 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,330 S3: that one of them isn't jealous about the other one 855 00:37:57,330 --> 00:37:58,710 S3: becoming this star. 856 00:37:58,710 --> 00:38:00,960 S2: Yeah, it's basically like I think I saw it in 857 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:02,460 S2: the documentary. It's like, what happens if you made it 858 00:38:02,460 --> 00:38:03,720 S2: to the top of the world with your best friend? 859 00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,069 S2: It's like the ultimate dream, isn't it? 860 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:06,480 S3: It's what we're all doing now. 861 00:38:07,230 --> 00:38:09,150 S1: Yeah, that's what we're aiming for. You guys got a 862 00:38:09,150 --> 00:38:10,500 S1: favorite Wham song. 863 00:38:11,550 --> 00:38:13,500 S2: I mean, wake me up before you Go. Go. It's 864 00:38:13,500 --> 00:38:15,450 S2: such a great song. And I don't know if you 865 00:38:15,450 --> 00:38:17,549 S2: know the story of this, but the way they came 866 00:38:17,550 --> 00:38:21,090 S2: up with the name of that Andrew Ridgeley left George 867 00:38:21,090 --> 00:38:22,770 S2: Michael a note. He was going out for the morning 868 00:38:22,770 --> 00:38:25,500 S2: and he accidentally wrote up twice in the note. So 869 00:38:25,500 --> 00:38:27,720 S2: then he wrote Go, go twice, just to evening out. 870 00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:29,850 S2: So like, wake me up, up before you go, go. 871 00:38:29,850 --> 00:38:31,800 S2: And then George Michael woke up. So he's like, That 872 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,020 S2: would be like a great name for a song. There 873 00:38:34,020 --> 00:38:34,320 S2: you go. 874 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:35,580 S5: Before you go, go. 875 00:38:35,580 --> 00:38:37,469 S1: Great, great story for a great song. 876 00:38:37,469 --> 00:38:39,750 S3: And I do enjoy Careless Whispers as well, which was 877 00:38:39,750 --> 00:38:42,570 S3: actually released as a George Michael single, even though they 878 00:38:42,570 --> 00:38:46,620 S3: created it together as Wham. But yeah, I think that 879 00:38:46,620 --> 00:38:48,839 S3: that's a real banger, really. It was just like listening 880 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:49,950 S3: to Smooth FM for an. 881 00:38:49,950 --> 00:38:50,910 S4: Evening, but that. 882 00:38:50,910 --> 00:38:52,590 S2: Was a crazy story too. You can cut this if 883 00:38:52,590 --> 00:38:55,110 S2: it's boring, but I'll tell it anyway. Like Careless Whisper 884 00:38:55,110 --> 00:38:57,270 S2: was like going to be their big hit and they 885 00:38:57,270 --> 00:38:59,430 S2: sent George Michael off to like, I was in Nashville 886 00:38:59,430 --> 00:39:01,530 S2: to record it with Jerry Wexler, this like really famous 887 00:39:01,530 --> 00:39:04,650 S2: producer and who had worked with like Aretha Franklin and everyone. 888 00:39:04,650 --> 00:39:06,509 S2: And he came back and this kind of spoke to 889 00:39:06,510 --> 00:39:08,580 S2: George Michael's like he had this he was like really 890 00:39:08,580 --> 00:39:10,890 S2: talented but really insecure. And he came back, got the 891 00:39:10,890 --> 00:39:13,920 S2: mix from Jerry Wexler and was like, this isn't it? Like, 892 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:15,920 S2: this just doesn't feel like the song. But, you know, 893 00:39:15,930 --> 00:39:18,390 S2: this is like the world's most sought after producer, like 894 00:39:18,390 --> 00:39:20,279 S2: I should use it. And then eventually he follows his gut, 895 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,259 S2: doesn't do it, produces it himself, and it becomes one 896 00:39:22,260 --> 00:39:24,810 S2: of the biggest songs of all time. So yeah, it's 897 00:39:24,810 --> 00:39:27,660 S2: also a story about believing in your own talent, which 898 00:39:27,660 --> 00:39:30,509 S2: is something you could both take note of. 899 00:39:31,020 --> 00:39:33,150 S3: Why do you think we don't believe in it enough? 900 00:39:33,150 --> 00:39:34,290 S2: I mean, Osbourne is probably fine. 901 00:39:35,250 --> 00:39:38,790 S1: Thomas doesn't think we believe in his talent enough. He 902 00:39:38,790 --> 00:39:40,410 S1: wants us to play more of an Andrew Ridgeley. 903 00:39:40,410 --> 00:39:43,020 S4: Role to his days. Just let me go now. It's 904 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:44,340 S4: rising Star. 905 00:39:46,270 --> 00:39:49,330 S1: Uh, Mel, you have finally caught up on one of 906 00:39:49,330 --> 00:39:52,570 S1: my favorite shows from the last couple of years, Dave. 907 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,210 S3: Oh, it's so good. So I had been following the seasons, 908 00:39:55,210 --> 00:39:57,910 S3: fell a bit behind in this latest season. I was 909 00:39:57,910 --> 00:40:00,250 S3: mentioned in an earlier podcast when we were talking about 910 00:40:00,250 --> 00:40:02,770 S3: the Met Gala and in Just Like that, but I 911 00:40:02,770 --> 00:40:04,960 S3: finally watched the final episode and it is one of 912 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,989 S3: the best final episodes of a season I have seen 913 00:40:07,989 --> 00:40:10,090 S3: on TV in some time. And I don't even really 914 00:40:10,090 --> 00:40:12,550 S3: want to tell you why it's so good because it's 915 00:40:12,550 --> 00:40:15,670 S3: so unexpected that you kind of just need to watch it. 916 00:40:15,670 --> 00:40:18,819 S3: But it's got some amazing cameos. It's very well written. 917 00:40:18,820 --> 00:40:22,000 S3: It's hilarious. The show is. I understand why it's not 918 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,640 S3: been maybe a huge hit because it's probably not to 919 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,880 S3: everyone's taste because there is quite a it's quite dark 920 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:32,560 S3: comedy writers. But yeah, I think the payoff at the 921 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:36,250 S3: end with that final episode was so good, so worth 922 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:37,570 S3: worth getting into it. 923 00:40:37,690 --> 00:40:40,719 S1: Yeah, it's a really interesting show because you're supposed to 924 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,480 S1: think it's like an insight into this character, right? The 925 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,270 S1: guy's name is Dave. It's a show about him. It's 926 00:40:46,270 --> 00:40:49,330 S1: sort of true to life biographical in a lot of ways. 927 00:40:49,330 --> 00:40:51,970 S1: But I think what makes the show so good is 928 00:40:51,969 --> 00:40:56,200 S1: that he's aware that his character is terrible, like a 929 00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,450 S1: piece of shit and terrible and selfish to the people 930 00:40:58,450 --> 00:41:02,440 S1: around him. And it doesn't like hide or shy away 931 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:03,969 S1: from that. And I think it would be so easy 932 00:41:03,969 --> 00:41:05,980 S1: to just like lean into the ego. And it has 933 00:41:05,980 --> 00:41:07,660 S1: a lot of that too. And it's a lot of like, 934 00:41:07,660 --> 00:41:10,300 S1: you know, wish fulfillment and hanging out with celebs. But 935 00:41:10,300 --> 00:41:12,270 S1: I think it doesn't seem to be scared to like 936 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:16,120 S1: explore how becoming very famous very quickly can turn you 937 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,520 S1: into a terrible person. And so it becomes quite a 938 00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,190 S1: good meditation on that, as well as being a fun 939 00:41:21,190 --> 00:41:23,590 S1: show about a rapper traveling America. 940 00:41:23,590 --> 00:41:25,200 S2: Yeah, I don't think I've ever been told to watch 941 00:41:25,210 --> 00:41:27,070 S2: a show more than I've been told to watch. Dave 942 00:41:27,070 --> 00:41:30,339 S2: And it's almost become a thing now where I'm like, 943 00:41:30,340 --> 00:41:33,669 S2: not watching it out of spite. But I, I mean, look, 944 00:41:33,670 --> 00:41:35,500 S2: I'm going to make commitment. I'll watch it and I'll 945 00:41:35,500 --> 00:41:37,330 S2: start it in the next month because I feel like 946 00:41:37,330 --> 00:41:39,489 S2: inevitably I'm going to turn around and be like, Fuck guys. 947 00:41:39,489 --> 00:41:39,819 S2: Dave is. 948 00:41:39,820 --> 00:41:42,219 S4: Amazing. Yeah. Have you guys seen It's true that. 949 00:41:42,219 --> 00:41:45,070 S1: You are the most like target audience for this show 950 00:41:45,070 --> 00:41:46,660 S1: out of anyone I know in the world. 951 00:41:46,660 --> 00:41:48,510 S3: It's weed and you probably need to watch it so 952 00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,219 S3: you can reflect on what that says about you. 953 00:41:52,060 --> 00:41:54,339 S1: I have two shows to mention. The first one is 954 00:41:54,340 --> 00:41:57,160 S1: actually an apology from me a few weeks ago when 955 00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,920 S1: we did our like What's coming up that we're excited about. 956 00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:03,370 S1: I mentioned a show called Secret Invasion that was coming 957 00:42:03,370 --> 00:42:05,770 S1: on Disney Plus. And I said, look, Marvel's been in 958 00:42:05,770 --> 00:42:08,799 S1: a flop era, but I do like the team behind this. 959 00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,710 S1: I like Mendo. This could be pretty fun. It is 960 00:42:11,710 --> 00:42:13,600 S1: the biggest piece of shit I've seen in a long time. 961 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,080 S1: This is this is a terrible, terrible show that should 962 00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:18,669 S1: not have been made. I don't know why it was 963 00:42:18,670 --> 00:42:21,670 S1: made similar. Jackson looks like he wants to kill himself 964 00:42:21,670 --> 00:42:24,730 S1: in the show. Ben Mendelsohn Like the one thing going 965 00:42:24,730 --> 00:42:26,650 S1: for him is that he's allowed to do his Australian 966 00:42:26,650 --> 00:42:29,830 S1: accent for the first time in like a big international thing. 967 00:42:29,830 --> 00:42:32,890 S1: So he's pretty fun just to hear him say mate 968 00:42:32,890 --> 00:42:36,190 S1: and bloody hell a lot. But this show has no 969 00:42:36,190 --> 00:42:39,550 S1: reason to exist. It just speaks to the deep, deep, 970 00:42:39,550 --> 00:42:42,670 S1: deep decline of what is left of Marvel and superhero stuff. 971 00:42:42,670 --> 00:42:45,040 S1: So me, a couple for me. I'm sorry, everyone, do you. 972 00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,350 S2: Want Mel to kind of get on the blower to 973 00:42:47,350 --> 00:42:48,040 S2: Disney and. 974 00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:49,450 S4: Just sort that. 975 00:42:49,450 --> 00:42:51,759 S2: Out, get it taken? It'll be down by this afternoon. 976 00:42:52,060 --> 00:42:52,670 S2: One phone call. 977 00:42:52,690 --> 00:42:55,029 S1: Is Secret Invasion out on Disney Plus. And the bear 978 00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:56,169 S1: is not. It is completely. 979 00:42:56,170 --> 00:42:58,690 S4: Outrageous. Yeah, well, consider it sorted. 980 00:42:58,690 --> 00:43:01,719 S3: We appreciate you owning up to that to that arrows but. 981 00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:03,850 S1: To to make up for that the show that I 982 00:43:03,850 --> 00:43:05,890 S1: have been watching that I do think is good because 983 00:43:05,890 --> 00:43:07,870 S1: I've seen it now I think you Thomas you're across 984 00:43:07,870 --> 00:43:10,120 S1: it as well is hijack on Apple TV. 985 00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:11,230 S3: You have been talking about. 986 00:43:11,230 --> 00:43:14,980 S4: This is still hijacking hope no. 987 00:43:14,980 --> 00:43:15,400 S3: Hijacking. 988 00:43:15,460 --> 00:43:18,010 S2: Tactic. No hijack is so good I thought it was 989 00:43:18,010 --> 00:43:20,140 S2: going to be so shit. It's got a bad title. 990 00:43:20,140 --> 00:43:22,930 S2: It looks like a kind of forgettable mid-year Netflix show. 991 00:43:22,930 --> 00:43:25,240 S2: Everyone I've told now is obsessed with it. It's one 992 00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:26,770 S2: of those ones. I'm like, Fuck, I wish there was 993 00:43:26,770 --> 00:43:27,759 S2: more episodes out. 994 00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,080 S1: Yeah, I've got to. I've got to give a shout 995 00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,900 S1: out to our our colleague Anya Ryan, who put me 996 00:43:31,900 --> 00:43:34,060 S1: onto the show. She said, It's really good. The basic 997 00:43:34,060 --> 00:43:37,810 S1: premise is it's a plane that gets hijacked. So they 998 00:43:37,810 --> 00:43:40,960 S1: called it hijack. Great stuff. And it's it's like it's 999 00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,480 S1: sort of like filmed in real time, like set in 1000 00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,120 S1: real time, that an hour in the show is an hour. 1001 00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,420 S1: On this plane, Idris Elba plays this kind of corporate 1002 00:43:49,420 --> 00:43:52,240 S1: negotiator who's on the plane and he's trying to stop 1003 00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,660 S1: the hijackers from killing people. We don't really know what 1004 00:43:55,660 --> 00:43:58,689 S1: their motivation is, but it's something pretty big and sinister. 1005 00:43:58,690 --> 00:44:00,940 S1: It is just really gripping. And like you said, Thomas, 1006 00:44:00,940 --> 00:44:02,589 S1: when I saw it come up, I'm like, oh, this 1007 00:44:02,590 --> 00:44:06,040 S1: looks like classic kind of like low grade trash. But 1008 00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,980 S1: it is really fun. And I think Idris makes it good. 1009 00:44:08,980 --> 00:44:11,259 S1: Like the rest of the cast are fine. There's a 1010 00:44:11,260 --> 00:44:14,140 S1: couple of really good and interesting characters, but it's really 1011 00:44:14,140 --> 00:44:17,230 S1: the Idris Elba affair and it is really fun to watch. 1012 00:44:17,230 --> 00:44:18,880 S1: So Strong recommend for me. 1013 00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:19,630 S2: Yeah, I agree. 1014 00:44:19,810 --> 00:44:21,790 S3: All right. You're talking me into it. I have been 1015 00:44:21,790 --> 00:44:24,010 S3: reluctant and resistant to watch it. 1016 00:44:24,010 --> 00:44:26,530 S1: If there's one actual thing, I will say that there's 1017 00:44:26,530 --> 00:44:28,180 S1: a bit of a knock on the hijack. It is 1018 00:44:28,180 --> 00:44:30,910 S1: like a bit too chill for a plane hijacking drama. 1019 00:44:30,910 --> 00:44:33,760 S1: It's like everyone is very it's very quiet. A lot 1020 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:35,440 S1: of it is shot in like the first class and 1021 00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,960 S1: business class cabins of the plane. And people look like 1022 00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:39,819 S1: they're having like a pretty good time on the plane, 1023 00:44:39,820 --> 00:44:42,490 S1: which I'm just not sure what happened in a real 1024 00:44:42,489 --> 00:44:43,899 S1: kind of hijacking. But it's. 1025 00:44:43,900 --> 00:44:46,480 S2: Still fun. It's good like I haven't really. Flown first 1026 00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:47,740 S2: in business. So it's nice to see it up there. 1027 00:44:47,739 --> 00:44:49,630 S2: But Osman, it's obviously familiar for you. 1028 00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:52,870 S4: Yeah, I'd quite like it looks like a while. 1029 00:44:52,870 --> 00:44:53,100 S3: I'm in. 1030 00:44:53,140 --> 00:44:54,220 S4: It looks like a fine. 1031 00:44:54,450 --> 00:44:55,960 S1: Looks like you've want my review on it. Like this 1032 00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:57,940 S1: is a fictional airline, Kingdom Airline. I think it's supposed 1033 00:44:57,940 --> 00:45:00,850 S1: to be like a middle Eastern airline. The business looks fine. 1034 00:45:00,850 --> 00:45:03,070 S1: I've got to say, the doesn't look not the best. 1035 00:45:03,070 --> 00:45:06,459 S1: Not the best I've seen, but not bad. Not bad. 1036 00:45:06,700 --> 00:45:07,390 S2: I was been Fergie. 1037 00:45:07,390 --> 00:45:08,200 S4: Man of the people. 1038 00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,480 S1: But how about I got Idris so he boards the 1039 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:14,620 S1: plane without any baggage. Yeah. No handheld baggage, no check baggage. 1040 00:45:14,620 --> 00:45:17,920 S1: That is a boss move going Abu Dhabi to London 1041 00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,130 S1: without any carry on or checked in baggage that one day. 1042 00:45:21,130 --> 00:45:22,920 S1: Hope to pull off that kind of flick. Yeah, but 1043 00:45:22,930 --> 00:45:23,140 S1: I don't. 1044 00:45:23,140 --> 00:45:24,940 S2: Think Idris like he's not like you and I. He 1045 00:45:24,940 --> 00:45:25,750 S2: doesn't sweat. 1046 00:45:27,340 --> 00:45:28,190 S4: Yeah, that's. 1047 00:45:28,210 --> 00:45:29,290 S3: Good. That's why it's so cool. 1048 00:45:29,830 --> 00:45:33,400 S1: All right, guys, let's. Let's leave it there. Thanks for chatting. 1049 00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:37,840 S1: The Bear, the Emmys and wham, which is a fun 1050 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,149 S1: little diversion for us. Take care. See you next. 1051 00:45:40,150 --> 00:45:40,779 S2: Week. Thank you. 1052 00:45:40,780 --> 00:45:42,610 S3: Chef. Yeah. Time to go. Go. 1053 00:45:47,190 --> 00:45:49,860 S1: This episode of The Drop was produced by Che Wang. 1054 00:45:50,100 --> 00:45:52,980 S1: If you enjoyed listening to today's episode of The Drop, 1055 00:45:52,980 --> 00:45:55,700 S1: make sure to follow us in your favorite podcast app. 1056 00:45:55,710 --> 00:45:57,930 S1: Give us a review or better yet, share it with 1057 00:45:57,930 --> 00:46:00,040 S1: a friend. I'm Osman Fergie. 1058 00:46:00,060 --> 00:46:00,900 UU: See you soon.