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Speaker 1: This is the real Footy podcast coming up. The Swans

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Speaker 1: have slumped after a humbling by the rampant Crows. Discuss

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Speaker 1: what's gone wrong with Sydney and have a look at

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Speaker 1: the Hawks and what's happened to Hawkball. Discuss the changes

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Speaker 1: at AFL House and the breakout game of Nat Caddy,

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Speaker 1: as well as the inspirational speeches of football. All of

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Speaker 1: that and mort right after this up as a kicking

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Speaker 1: of the middle.

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Speaker 2: ROUSSELLI was a soccer fire and that was absolutely magnificent.

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Speaker 3: O the Keys.

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Speaker 1: It deserves to go and.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly what it gots right, will be the deep

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Speaker 3: target dams don there ty fights across climbs, it plays

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Speaker 3: on Russia ply from Caddy, get.

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Speaker 2: Everything right, Brian Amble over their head, just coughed it

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Speaker 2: up to a Sullivan and looking inboard. Smith has been

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Speaker 2: involved in absolutely everything. He's on fire, Bailey Smith dominating

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Speaker 2: this game.

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Speaker 1: Oh we welcome. My name is Michael Gleason and joining

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Speaker 1: me today Jake and Sam McClure. Welcome to you both.

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Speaker 3: Hell the Glease, Hello, Jake, Sam Glease.

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Speaker 1: Big weekend of footy. Jake the Swan's the Swan's well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: they certainly.

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Speaker 4: Weren't the bloods. Were they? They were bloodied rather than

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Speaker 4: bloods and very poor. But this season has been slowly

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Speaker 4: going off the cliff and it's now sort of like

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Speaker 4: the road runner. They've you know, wow, they've gone off

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Speaker 4: the cliff.

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Speaker 1: I think that they actually actually got back to about

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Speaker 1: round twenty one that put Adelaide last week. But you know,

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Speaker 1: ninety points last year was really the turning point for

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Speaker 1: them where they then limped into the final. You know,

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Speaker 1: they went through to the Grand Final, got smashed and

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Speaker 1: it's how much of this did you put down to

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Speaker 1: the psychology of a team that's also been belted in

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Speaker 1: a Grand Final, because they often take a while to recover.

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Speaker 3: I think the thing that struck me on the weekend

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Speaker 3: watching that game was and Dean Cox said after the

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Speaker 3: game that you know, the two thousand and five premiership

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Speaker 3: players that were there as part of the reunion were

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Speaker 3: uncompromising and desperate. They were the two words he used

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Speaker 3: to describe that group. And you know, ever since I've

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Speaker 3: Grand Finals and the wars of attrition against West Coast.

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Speaker 3: That's how Sydney have always been you know, in different iterations. Yes,

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Speaker 3: but under Rus and then under Lomi, they were always

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Speaker 3: desperate and uncompromising. And they started the third quarter actually

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Speaker 3: quite well. They kicked for the first five goals, but

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Speaker 3: then once the floodgates opened, it was just so unlike

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Speaker 3: the Sydney I've come to know and I know, but

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Speaker 3: you went back to that Grand Final, which I agree

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Speaker 3: that they now appear like a team that are easy

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Speaker 1: But that those teams had. You know, you've got Bolton,

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Speaker 1: So when they had the capacity to just lock the

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Speaker 1: over here, they didn't have that ability to close the

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Look, I'm kind of always a bit skeptical about

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Speaker 4: the cultural legacies of past teams. This is a new team.

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Speaker 4: This team got smashed in the Grand Final. They got

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Speaker 4: last season, there were a lot of warning signs Before

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Speaker 4: that day. I was pretty confident that Brisbane would win

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Speaker 4: the win the Grand Final, just on the players they've got.

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Speaker 4: They've got a much better list than Sydney. No Callumn

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Speaker 4: think that we go to psychological explanations and cultural explanations,

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Speaker 4: go to personnel first. Personnel is weakened.

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Speaker 1: I agree with that bad the depth is weak. You've

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Speaker 1: And yeah, okay McDonald, they've been struggling for a forward

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Speaker 4: I guess what happens is, though you already shell shot

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Speaker 4: I thought for a team that was there on Grand

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Speaker 4: Final days, I look at it, this is a thin

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Speaker 4: is to get teams that weren't good enough in my view,

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Speaker 1: Was asked after the game whether or not they also

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Speaker 1: I think that now I'm not saying that's necessarily right,

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Speaker 3: There's tentacles everywhere in so far as the story here,

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Speaker 3: Well they're escaping a little bit of the limelight now.

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Speaker 3: I mean if this was a calling with or a

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Speaker 3: They've got guys who are getting suspended left, right and

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Speaker 4: Two, we could have the Swans just take over the

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Speaker 3: So you know, imagine glease if you will, that you know,

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Speaker 3: I think they're a fascinating story of this one.

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Speaker 4: And I don't forget Chad Warner. Yeah, Chad Warner's got

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Speaker 4: You wouldn't be confident that he would be there after

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Speaker 3: Also, Heeney and Warner didn't provide much of a resistance

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Speaker 4: No, I think I think it's multi factored. But I

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Speaker 3: But as Gleise wrote in the paper during the week,

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Speaker 3: they did have fifteen players that played in that Grand Final.

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Speaker 4: And had that Grand Final time.

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Speaker 3: I understand that, but like to get there is still

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Speaker 3: a big achievement. Been a long time since Essendon or

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Speaker 1: Well, yes, but fifteen missing. One of those that fifteen playing.

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Speaker 1: One of those missing is Parker who was traded out.

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Speaker 3: Still a decent team, Jake, I think you've given them

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Speaker 4: No, I'm not giving them outs because one of my

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Speaker 4: they should have been in the ground. I don't think

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Speaker 4: they're good enough to be in the Grand Final.

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Speaker 3: But they were the best team in the home and away season.

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Speaker 4: They were for two thirds of the home and away season.

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Speaker 1: Then they were top.

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Speaker 3: They finished on top. They were the best team.

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Speaker 4: Look at the second half of the year, but they

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Speaker 4: finished on top. Hey, you can be adamant about it.

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Speaker 4: I don't think they were the best team. You got

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Speaker 3: I thought they'd get within eighty points.

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Speaker 1: No, I didn't think. I thought it came.

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Speaker 4: Brisbane are a much more talented absolutely. Anyone who knows

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Speaker 1: Well, I wonder if this dire situation they're in right

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Speaker 1: now informs Tom Harley's thinking as he's being approached great,

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Speaker 4: It's a bit like Brendan Gail though. I mean he

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Speaker 4: you know, beating down of a new coach three flags.

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Speaker 1: Three flags, he has got that legacy. Tom Halliant SI

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Speaker 1: as far as not he's not the CEO informs those things.

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Speaker 4: No, that's true. So look, it's a it's it's an

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Speaker 4: interesting way, just a just a common I think we

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Speaker 4: threat in my view. I think they've got ballistic attacking abilities.

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Speaker 4: They've got the best forward line of the game, yep,

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Speaker 4: but none Taylor Walker, I'm not even sure they need

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Speaker 4: very good player, and Phil Thorpe is a rising star

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Speaker 4: of the competition, as well as Isaac Rankin Josh.

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Speaker 1: When they lost to Collingwood. If or doesn't play that game,

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Speaker 1: they win that game.

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Speaker 4: I reckon. If you're Hollingwood, are your the Brisbane lines

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Speaker 4: and you're in the Grand Final? Do you want to

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Speaker 4: play the Adelaide Crows? I reckon?

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Speaker 3: They be dangerous home or away? I reckon.

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Speaker 4: I think they're pretty dangerous anywhere. The way they can score.

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Speaker 4: They opened up Beason and by what they kicked, what

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Speaker 1: Rankin's ability now to transition to be a midfielder, which

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Speaker 3: Got home on on Saturday. I was looking forward to

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Speaker 1: It can't be seen to be anything other than either

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Speaker 4: To do them well to understand getting this story up

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Speaker 4: first all. Secondly, I think this was Andrew Dillon's best

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Speaker 4: The clubs have felt locked out and they've shaken their

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Speaker 3: I think there's probably two very different ways to look

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Speaker 1: and realized enough enough, I'm not going down. I'm putting

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Speaker 4: And they've had a problem in football operations because the

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Speaker 3: On that.

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Speaker 1: the Pies and the Hawks and Brisbane and the Dons.

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Speaker 4: We all studied the terrain. I ended up going backwards.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, jacib. We touched on it before. But Hockball

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Speaker 4: Well, it was I've used this line before, but it

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Speaker 4: So I don't think Sam Mitchell, you know, he's got

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Speaker 3: And I'm not positive they've got a very talented list,

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Speaker 3: Everything they did on the weekend against Hawthorne, every time

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Speaker 3: playing at the other. Now that's no disrespect to either

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00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:43,240
Speaker 3: of those guys, but neither Port, Adelaide, Norse and Kilda

437
00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:46,800
Speaker 3: wore that unhappy to lose either of those players.

438
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,120
Speaker 1: Or Adelaide previously with Billy as well.

439
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,040
Speaker 3: Sorry Adelaide as well. But and yet they're both playing

440
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:50,720
Speaker 3: at Key. Yeah.

441
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,440
Speaker 1: No, no, you're right and interestingly, and this is one

442
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,399
Speaker 1: that will be a query, that will be a question

443
00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,359
Speaker 1: asked if Colin would over the next few months. Is

444
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 1: they used Billy Frampton as second ruck on against Marby

445
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 1: or chol so he was playing on him as a

446
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,240
Speaker 1: forward when he was a forward and ChIL went into

447
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,200
Speaker 1: the uck and he went in and second ruck. Now

448
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,440
Speaker 1: with McStay coming back, he probably does that. He probably

449
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,399
Speaker 1: is the second ruck. He hasn't been that good as

450
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 1: a second ruck.

451
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 4: You're putting a line through Mason Cox.

452
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,720
Speaker 1: No, he played well on the weekend, but he has

453
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 1: been poor. He's had a poor season when playing in

454
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:29,360
Speaker 1: the AFL. They need someone like that, but then they

455
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,680
Speaker 1: get then they have a selection career of well if

456
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 1: Cox comes in because they need a second ruck and

457
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,000
Speaker 1: it wouldn't surprise me if he plays against Melbourne because

458
00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:40,800
Speaker 1: of Gorne that that they look at, well, can we

459
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 1: then have if Cox is in there, can we play

460
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:49,200
Speaker 1: with McStay and Mayer check and Memory probably.

461
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:53,400
Speaker 4: I'd say every team carries a few players, and Collingwood

462
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 4: a player. Is Memory going to be in their best

463
00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:00,640
Speaker 4: side when McStay is there? Maybe maybe not. I would

464
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 4: say that one of the defining features of Collingwood is

465
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 4: that their average ages of the team that's running out

466
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 4: there is over twenty eight. It's the oldest team possibly

467
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:13,159
Speaker 4: we've seen close to it. They are extremely experienced and

468
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,440
Speaker 4: they seem to know what they're doing in the theme song,

469
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 4: they know how to play the game. Well, that's that's them.

470
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 4: They've got a lot of people who know what they're

471
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 4: doing in these type situations and indeed just in general play,

472
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 4: the decision making is very good. And that's like Perryman's

473
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 4: a good footballer, Like he's not a star, but he's coming.

474
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,159
Speaker 4: He's a very good footballer, and so is Dan Houston.

475
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,919
Speaker 4: So they've got They don't have superstars like say some

476
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 4: other clubs are outside of Dekos and Pendlebrees are fading

477
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 4: superstar but still a very good leader out on the field.

478
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 4: I think they're big edges. They have the best player leadership.

479
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,679
Speaker 4: I think if you looked at Essington going through this

480
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 4: whole journey to try and find leaders. Some of these

481
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 4: clubs that have floundered with leaders Colin would have got

482
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 4: an embarrassed not ambarrassment of leaders. But they've got a

483
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:02,879
Speaker 4: lot Jeremy who, They've.

484
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 3: Got more decos how Penleburry, side Bottom, Maynard.

485
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:13,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, but even but even even asp Crisp, even you know,

486
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 4: Jamie Elliott has gone with the leadership group this year. Now,

487
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 4: I wonder if that's had an effect on.

488
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,400
Speaker 1: His fat possibly. Well, I think one of the things

489
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 1: that you say leadership, Yeah, that's one thing, and that

490
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 1: is a partly productive experience. You have a more mature team.

491
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,239
Speaker 1: But that mature team you're talking about star fact that

492
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,120
Speaker 1: still side Bottom is playing as well, is as well

493
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,639
Speaker 1: as he has played. He's playing right now. I know

494
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:38,119
Speaker 1: you'll do it later in this week for mid Year

495
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 1: All Australian. I would have steel side Bottom in the

496
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 1: All Australian squad at least or on the somewhere there.

497
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 1: Definitely Jamie Elliott would have to be one of the

498
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 1: first pick. So he's sitting just under Jeremy Cameron now

499
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 1: in the Common Medal.

500
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 3: Do you know, Glease, he's never kicked forty goals in

501
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:56,439
Speaker 3: the season.

502
00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 1: Jamily, No, well, he's often had injurystand but like it's

503
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:04,479
Speaker 1: amazing he's on thirty three now to your board, completelyused him.

504
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: Now he's going to get pick up an injury touching

505
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 1: all sorts of but the other thing. And so we

506
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 1: will move on from this in a second. But I

507
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 1: did like the fact that what was a bit of

508
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 1: a tedious last quarter to watch was actually part of

509
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 1: that maturity and experience which McCray touched on, which I

510
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 1: thought was really clever that they I think they were

511
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 1: acutely aware of that comeback game last year against Hawthorne

512
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: when hard we went forward and kicked five and Hawthorne

513
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 1: lost by a goal, but it felt like Hawthorne had

514
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 1: won the game. So they proached that last court and

515
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,160
Speaker 1: basically tried to suck the oxygen out of the game

516
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 1: by chipping the ball around, soak up some time on

517
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 1: the clock and basically leave Hawthorne with no time to

518
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,920
Speaker 1: have to have to chase and run to to cover

519
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 1: all these uncontested marks and then lose time to be

520
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 1: able to make any sort of meaningful comeback. And while

521
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,640
Speaker 1: it became tedious to watch, it was actually really smart

522
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,880
Speaker 1: sort of gamesmanship. But yeah, I looked at Pies and going, well,

523
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 1: I think Hawks he can't underestimate Day's absence of Sicily's form,

524
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 1: drop Deer being missing from up forward, even though you

525
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 1: know it was only a he was a surprise packet

526
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 1: last year, but they haven't had it eighting for one

527
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 1: game you go drop Gunstan's up and down?

528
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 4: So what about Sam? What about the getting the game

529
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 4: style and the met that worked down a bit? Because

530
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 4: when you have these upstart teams that come out of

531
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,919
Speaker 4: nowhere and that take the competition by storm as orf

532
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 4: the Hockball Hawks, did you get a lot more scrutiny

533
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 4: from the one hundred and fifty coaches that are in

534
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:28,679
Speaker 4: the AFL system.

535
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm still a little bit more glass half fall

536
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 3: on the Hawks, if I'm honest. I still think they're

537
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 3: finding their best footy. I think that Battle and Brass,

538
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 3: you know, started really well. They've had a bit of

539
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,159
Speaker 3: a lapse. I think they'll come good and they've you know,

540
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 3: they've hit issues with their forward line. You know, Watson

541
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 3: still a little bit of a wall and Ginivan had

542
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 3: a really good first half, but you know he hasn't

543
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 3: been a player that we thought he might be all season.

544
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 3: I think that the Hawks will find their way. I

545
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 3: still think they'll They'll be there.

546
00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 1: Absolutely. They're a young team. You know, they did a

547
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,439
Speaker 1: lot of young, no doubt. It's just that the hope

548
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: that from all of the momentum they had in the

549
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: second half of last year, just driving into finals and

550
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:12,199
Speaker 1: playing such exciting footy. It's not that they're losing us

551
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: that the excitement and the dare has gone in their game.

552
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: The way they were just playing and with speed and

553
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 1: the electric ball movement, we haven't seen it as much now.

554
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: Is that because of some of that personnel, or is it,

555
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: as you say, Jake, that coaches have gone to work

556
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 1: on them particularly I mean the record against the better

557
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 1: teams now I think it's one four against five against

558
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 1: the eight teams. That does say well, maybe the better

559
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: teams have worked out a structure and the.

560
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 3: Captain looks frustrated Jake as well. Look, the temperament of

561
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 3: James Siciley has to be questioned.

562
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 4: Well, I wonder and this is just a question and

563
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 4: I haven't asked Sam mitche all this, but or any

564
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 4: Rob McCartney this. It would be interesting to know what

565
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 4: they think has sicily been affected by getting not Brass

566
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 4: or Battle, but the combination of getting both of them

567
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 4: because he played as a sort of de facto key defender.

568
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 4: He was an intercepting player. But has he been sort

569
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 4: of has his role been compromised behind the ball to

570
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 4: the point that they're shifting him forward.

571
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: Early grass does, isn't it. He's certainly the sort of

572
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: intercept guy maybe, and Scripture has sort of been injured

573
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 1: and up and in and out as well, and it

574
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: will still be good.

575
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 4: Like I think it just felt like if Colin had

576
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 4: got the ball forward in this game, they're going to score.

577
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:35,640
Speaker 1: Yeah felt it's yeah, you mentioned it earlier Jacob Brisbane

578
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: and Cadie that was a coming of age game and

579
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: it's the one that he looked at him and thought

580
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: is he the best? We discussed this off earlier. Jake

581
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: is the most talented Essendon player in two decades to

582
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: be drafted by the club. Merit possibly, but you know

583
00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: it's the best before. Probably an athletic talent.

584
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 4: He's a lot of Charlie Curner about him.

585
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot. I'd be interesting to see them play

586
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: in the difference in height playing against it. So he's

587
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: playing against he.

588
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 4: Plays tall like Charlie's not. You stand next to Charlie,

589
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 4: you always get it. Like I I spoke tore All

590
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 4: talk about it major, Well, yeah, but I stood next

591
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 4: to Ned Long and he's he's one hundred and ninety

592
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 4: four and he looked every bit of it. He was

593
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 4: like Jonathan Brown or crips. He was, I'm like, jee,

594
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 4: this guy's big and he's a midfielder. And you stand

595
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 4: next to Charlie Curner, go, he's not that tall. He

596
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 4: doesn't look any taller than than then Bottom Pelley when

597
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 4: you're standing next to him. He's similar. He's not one

598
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 4: of these but one plus guys. But because he plays

599
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 4: toy plot beats guys that are doing with three inches taller.

600
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 3: He's box office caddy. That's what he is. He's going

601
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 3: to take Essenon fans on the journey with him.

602
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 4: And it's not going to be it's not going to

603
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 4: be even is it.

604
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 3: No, it's not. But but like and they'll still have

605
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 3: they'll have bad games. You know, they will probably have

606
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 3: another thrashing between now on the end of the year potentially.

607
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 3: But I think while Essendon fans have seeing the growth

608
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 3: of the likes of Caddy. He's a sort of bloke

609
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 3: which takes you on the journey, you know, like this was.

610
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: The game, the sort of game though, Okay, Caddie has

611
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: the breakout, but this was the sort of game where

612
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: they're so undermanned that it's a really it's one of

613
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: those sort of culture defining win performances, not a win

614
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: performances by a team to go up to the Gabba

615
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 1: play the Raginning Premium, admittedly one off a five day

616
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: break up in the last quarters really showing some ticker

617
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: with the players they had out and that was a

618
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: bloody good performance.

619
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 4: It felt not a not a turning point game, but

620
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 4: it felt like if you're an Essendon fan and all

621
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 4: the essen fans, I know that we're comedy on the game.

622
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 4: We're like, they're very happy despite the loss. The five

623
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 4: day break is certainly a factor that should be for Brisbane,

624
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 4: that should be put into that. I think that the

625
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 4: injuries we didn't play out as badly as I thought

626
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 4: they would for this simple reason. A wet ball game,

627
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 4: the loss of Mackay to the back line and the

628
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 4: loss even of having not having Ridley and there was

629
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 4: one other tall player down there that they normally have

630
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 4: that was absent or they didn't have a They don't

631
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 4: have either of Jones as well, and I don't have

632
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 4: either of their red right, so Reid, who's been tremendous

633
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 4: this year, wasn't there, along with a lot and they

634
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 4: had LaVerdi playing as a key position player. But it

635
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 4: worked out quite well because it was a groundball game

636
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 4: and they got this very spirited rebound and I felt

637
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 4: that the ground ball game they got a better outcome

638
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 4: in a way. So I'm not sure that the injuries

639
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 4: was but what I thought was more important was the

640
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 4: way they fought back because previous essienent terms just roll

641
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 4: over and get beaten by eighty points.

642
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: We've been critical of the many things really, but of

643
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: the Saints that this was. This was a good performance

644
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: from the Saints in Darwin and d and in our springs.

645
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: Melbourne's Melbourn's been well perform there a middle. I think

646
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: Melbourne kicked themselves to death seven twenty No, No, that's

647
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: pretty hard. One twelve half to halftime.

648
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, one eleven one twelve yeah, Look, you're right, two

649
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 3: different stories. Melbourne were putrid, particularly in front of goal,

650
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 3: and the Saints were economic and you know they've also

651
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 3: got a player who is now arguably, you know, alongside

652
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 3: Marcus Bontepelli, the most wanted signature and footy in Wangane Miller.

653
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 3: He's everything that any recruiter wants. You know, it can

654
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 3: hurt you off half back. He's got run and carry,

655
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 3: he's got some X factor, good kick, he's a beautiful kick.

656
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 3: And you think Glease and Jake about the top ten

657
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 3: picks that this club has wasted in the last decade.

658
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 3: You know, if he was to leave on the back

659
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 3: of Battle leaving last year, it would be such a

660
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 3: knife through the heart of that club.

661
00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 4: You know, like, well, who's more important TDK, Tom to

662
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 4: Conning going getting there.

663
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: Today?

664
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 3: So you think about you know Clark and Coffield. You

665
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 3: know King was the top five pick and is always injured, Billings,

666
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 3: you know mccarton. Yeah, these these top line picks that

667
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 3: haven't worked out well. Any recruiter with the Salt will

668
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 3: tell you that once you get access to the top

669
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 3: ten picks, you have to nail them. They were criticize

670
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 3: heavily and that draft, if you remember not taking Josh

671
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 3: sin it was a local sandring hand boy that that

672
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 3: grew up down the road and he was taken the

673
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 3: next pick at Port Adelaide. It looks like a pretty

674
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 3: good pick now. But if they were to lose him, glease,

675
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 3: you know.

676
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: It's harder to attract players normally than keep players. They

677
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: should be. Yeah, like losing him would be as you say,

678
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: it's a net loss if they lose him and bring

679
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: in t DK. The loss. I think they probably loss

680
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: of him is more important.

681
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 4: Than their their inverted commons confidence of keeping him. Yeah,

682
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 4: but I guess we'll we'll. He hasn't signed yet, and

683
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 4: the interest from west of the border because he's not

684
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 4: he's not going to He's going to add a lo

685
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 4: a Port Adelaide if he leaves. But you have they

686
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 4: have to keep him, and.

687
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 3: Just on that. On that point, and this is a question,

688
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 3: it's not a statement. I have no knowledge of this.

689
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 3: I wonder if a daconing would actually ask, look like,

690
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 3: I'm happy to come. This will looks good, but I

691
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 3: need to know that whangon e Miller is staying.

692
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 1: It's basically there's nothing to stop in contacting when Miller

693
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: and he's staying or not?

694
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean? Though? To your point,

695
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 3: like if the Coning was to come in and it's like,

696
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 3: how good we're getting to Coning. Oh, by the way,

697
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 3: Whangon e. Miller is gone Adelaide. If you're a good fan,

698
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 3: you'd be like, oh, that's sort of one step forward,

699
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,399
Speaker 3: one step back. Whereas if they keep one and get

700
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 3: the other one, well look.

701
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 1: Within the game. I still though thought, what when it

702
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:57,399
Speaker 1: was still available for Melbourne to win, notwithstanding their inability

703
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: to kick straight in front of goal? Why was he

704
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,919
Speaker 1: allowed so much time and space it I'm not sure.

705
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: It's not like you're taking something tremendously. It's not like

706
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: a midfield of being taken out of the run of

707
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 1: play and the structure of play. Having to tag Playing

708
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: a defensive forward on Wangon and Miller is no different

709
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: playing one on Dane Zorko and just acknowledging this is

710
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: where their game is set up and does it the

711
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: most damage. So why play tied to them? And this

712
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,399
Speaker 1: isn't just a comment on some good because it's it's

713
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 1: common across the league that you don't do. It just

714
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: befuddles me why you wouldn't go. He's the most dangerous player.

715
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 1: We need to be really tired on that guy. Because

716
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 1: the way he's some of the goals he set up.

717
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:42,879
Speaker 1: He was one where he stepped inside on the wing

718
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: and then he's cut it across the the far half

719
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: forward flank to someone that he decided he was going

720
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: to be the person he was kicking to before that

721
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: player realized that he should even be available for that kick,

722
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 1: like he worked out where the play was going before

723
00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: anyone else on the field.

724
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 3: Does he remind you of anyone? I get shades of

725
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 3: I don't really want to say it, but I get

726
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 3: shades of someone now that I watch it more often,

727
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 3: won can Emula? Do you remind you of anyone at all?

728
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 3: At half back? He's got a little bit of Andrew

729
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 3: McLeod about him.

730
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: No, No, I don't think that really. And McLoud to

731
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 1: me was a far more muscular physical.

732
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 3: He glides like him there.

733
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,280
Speaker 4: He's got a bit of the glide than McLeod. McLeod

734
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:30,879
Speaker 4: was more nuggety, and McLeod him out. McLeod could win

735
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 4: played in the midfield a lot.

736
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 3: And I think this one could though that this is

737
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 3: the year.

738
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 4: But he's not. He's not. He's not a combative. McLoud

739
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 4: was a more combative player, a tear.

740
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, combative. You're probably You're probably right. But I

741
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 3: tell you what, when he gets the ball and takes off,

742
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 3: he said a little bit of that gate. He's just

743
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 3: got a little bit about that glide where he doesn't

744
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 3: his feet don't touch the ground for much.

745
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:51,919
Speaker 4: Kick.

746
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 3: Oh, he's a better kick than Mcloudy.

747
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 4: That's a wrap. Kicks it further.

748
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, McLeod was a pretty good kick.

749
00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 4: He was a good kick.

750
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 1: We'll take a break there, come back with quick questions.

751
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 2: Get access to every episode as it drops, Get subscribe

752
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Speaker 2: wherever you get your podcasts.

753
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: Hand it up, can't we try to go and get it.

754
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 3: It'll feed out from Red Gray Shaw, so Kowski bray

755
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 3: Shaw all.

756
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 4: Out of the either the needle.

757
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 3: That is ridiculous.

758
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: Welcome back straight into quick Questions. Freeo knockover Gold Coast

759
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: in the wet up there away where Gold Coast has

760
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: been hard to beat. Are we now persuaded by them, Jake?

761
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: Are you persuaded?

762
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 4: No? No, But I think it's a big win and

763
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 4: they've turned. Probably they copped a bit too much flak

764
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 4: for the loss to Collingwood when Collingwood, you know, the

765
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 4: front runner. So I think that justin longview. You know

766
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 4: has come through this rallied. They've rallied and they've got

767
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 4: enough talent to make the finals.

768
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 3: I think they're the most unpredictable team in footy, to

769
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 3: the point where they've got to buy this week and

770
00:37:58,680 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 3: I'm not sure what will happen.

771
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: I don't think they'll get the win. This has been

772
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:07,720
Speaker 1: a perennial question since pre season. But how many wins

773
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 1: do we forecast for the Tigers?

774
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 3: They are on three, they'll win five.

775
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 1: They could well have won at the weekend too. Do

776
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 1: they go in favorite against Sydney?

777
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 3: No, No, maybe they should.

778
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: They should. Don't think they'll win.

779
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 4: That maybe if they want three? Three, five?

780
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think five. Does Bailey Smith do enough damage

781
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: with his possessions?

782
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 3: I'll take this one.

783
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 4: Yes.

784
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:36,720
Speaker 3: I think this is one of the most ridiculous takes

785
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,439
Speaker 3: that is going around in footy that Bailey Smith isn't

786
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 3: a great kick, because the fact is he's not, and

787
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 3: that I reckon. If you went through the ten best

788
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 3: midfielders of the last twenty five years, I reckon you'd

789
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 3: say maybe two or three of them are good kicks.

790
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 3: The fact is that a lot of the gun mids

791
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 3: aren't great kicks. It's harder to be a good kick

792
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 3: than it is not So I think it's Bailey Smith.

793
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: Where you say it's a bad take, admitting he's a

794
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: bad kick, but saying still because so many other good

795
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: midfield is a bad kicks.

796
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Patrick Cripps, Chris Jard and Nat five

797
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 3: one six brown loads between them. I'm not sure any

798
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 3: of those three guys would be considered good kick. Dangerfield

799
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 3: is not a great kick. Dangerfield's not a great kick.

800
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:15,359
Speaker 3: Michael Voss wasn't a great kick.

801
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 4: Voss was a good kick.

802
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,240
Speaker 3: Nathan Buckley, Nathan Buckley.

803
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: Was a really good kick. Is a good kick?

804
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 3: Is a really good kick? Ablet was a neat kick?

805
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 3: Not many that not many great. Bonton Pelly is a good,

806
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 3: useful ki.

807
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 1: He's a good kid.

808
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 3: He's the outlier.

809
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 1: Will we ever see Dermitt Breton wearing a Bombers scarf

810
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:40,720
Speaker 1: given that his partner's son has been drafted mid season?

811
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: May of course we will. Yeah, the monkey that that

812
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: will happen in the rooms. He will run through the

813
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,919
Speaker 1: huddle at the room. Yeah, No, it's a nice little

814
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 1: Subplotake cal Ward was addressed the the Jedoary West players

815
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: in the breaks after basically doing his knee and it's

816
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: an acl so.

817
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 4: Came out on the crutch.

818
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: I'm out on the crutches.

819
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 4: Inspirational, inspirational.

820
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 1: Where does it sit in your favorite inspirational speech question?

821
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, well I didn't hear it, but it's it's certainly

822
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 4: in recent years, in the last five years, it'd be

823
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 4: right up there from what I've heard. We had this

824
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 4: discussion on ABC Radio yesterday and I did raise it's

825
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 4: a favorite of yours, Sam the al Pacino any given Sunday.

826
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 3: The inches we need, the inches.

827
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 4: We we could every inch, inch by inch. But Ron

828
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 4: Barrassi at halftime in the nineteen seventy Grand Final, it's

829
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 4: pretty hard to beat handba handball, and they won from

830
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 4: forty four points behind and reinvented modern footy. And I

831
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 4: think that Kanker Kennedy. People say, don't think do that's famous,

832
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 4: but they actually got flogged. That was before the nine.

833
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: Seventy five Grand fik a little bit more.

834
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, they thought a bit too much and didn't do enough.

835
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:02,399
Speaker 4: And yeah, I like Yabby Jeans. I like the shoes store.

836
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: I was about to say the shoes pay the price,

837
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: just pay through lice. You know there's about two boys

838
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: who yeah, yeah, one bought the cheap shoes and one

839
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: bought the expensive ones. But after a bit, obviously the

840
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 1: cheap shoes run out and get holes and pay the price.

841
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 4: In a more didn't Kevin Sheedy? This is what I

842
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 4: didn't get to Kevin Sheedy. Didn't he at halftime in

843
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 4: the nineteen ninety three pro Then when they're forty points

844
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 4: down to Adelaide? Did he not bring out the footage

845
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 4: of the or talk about the guy who stood in

846
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:33,760
Speaker 4: front of the tank at Tenneman Square.

847
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: Really yes, well sounds like sheds what about unfairly and

848
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: going to spew up? Terry doesn't quite like it? Yeah,

849
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: I also I do deal say like in a more

850
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 1: brutal and base sense. Lee Matthews grabbing Gavin Brown and

851
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: going to the at halftime, then going to the take

852
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: dragging him to the race where Essendon we're going off

853
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 1: the ground and just yea to to Terry Danaher he's

854
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: going to be back. He's coming back. Gavin Brown didn't

855
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: know what ground he was on time.

856
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 4: He'd be fine.

857
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: Now for that Jevin Brown to be in hospital, it

858
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: wouldn't just be sort of sticking there and potentially coming

859
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: away on Anyway, that's all we've got time for for

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00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 1: this week. Thanks to you both for coming along and

861
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:24,720
Speaker 1: filling Carrow's seat quite uh. Thanks also for Channel seven

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00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: and Fox Footy for the audio we've used in this episode.

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00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: If you'd like to get a touch, you can do

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00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: so via email Real Footy pod at the Age dot

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00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,080
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