WEBVTT - Afternoons with Michael McLaren - Monday, 9th June 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:03.520 On two GB at network stations. 0:00:03.720 --> 0:00:08.320 Yeah, this is afternoons with Michael McLaren. 0:00:09.440 --> 0:00:12.520 Well, it is in a very happy King's Birthday public 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:15.440 holiday Monday. To you. Hope you're well wherever you happen 0:00:15.440 --> 0:00:16.720 to be. I know a lot of people making their 0:00:16.760 --> 0:00:19.920 way back east over the Blue Mountains. That usual annual 0:00:20.000 --> 0:00:24.120 traffic jam between Mount Victoria and Medlow Bath very much 0:00:24.200 --> 0:00:26.159 in place as we speak, as people come back to 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:28.320 the Big Smoke. If you're in that stick the radio one, 0:00:28.360 --> 0:00:29.880 we'll try to entertain you as it takes you an 0:00:29.920 --> 0:00:32.320 hour to go about five kilometers one three one eight 0:00:32.400 --> 0:00:34.280 seven three the open line number. If you want to 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:36.440 have your say on anything, of course, you can send 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:39.000 me a text right throughout the afternoon until three o'clock. 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:42.040 Just go to the text line for that zero four 0:00:42.080 --> 0:00:45.040 six zero eight seven three eight seven three and the 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:48.120 email remains the same even on a public holiday. Twogb 0:00:48.200 --> 0:00:51.280 dot com click on the feedback icon. Lot's coming up 0:00:51.360 --> 0:00:54.400 on the program between now and three o'clock. Later this hour, 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:56.520 I'll speak to a dairy farmer, Phil Ryan. He's down 0:00:56.520 --> 0:00:59.200 on the south coast there and they've had reasonable conditions. 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:02.240 It's pretty greener bigger at the moment, I'm told. But 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:04.120 the state of the dairy industry is back in the 0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:06.600 news and this sort of ebbs and flows comes and goes, 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:10.520 this story how the dairy farmers are going. The herd 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:13.000 is down in number, the number of farmers is down 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:15.680 to the fears it could continue to drop as they 0:01:15.720 --> 0:01:20.280 are squeezed by the providers and the big behemoths in 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:24.720 the industry. Phil I'm led to believes doing okay. I 0:01:24.760 --> 0:01:27.200 think he's dealing with biager if I'm not mistaken. But 0:01:27.760 --> 0:01:31.520 a lot of other farmers in Victoria, Tasmania, South Australia, 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:33.720 in a litter of his drought stricken areas are really 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:37.160 struggling to make a profit. And the minimum pricing is 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:40.960 being negotiated as we speak. So it'd be groups like Fonterra, 0:01:41.040 --> 0:01:43.840 I'd imagine it'd be coming in and doing the minimum 0:01:43.920 --> 0:01:46.280 pricing negotiations and some of them are just saying, look, 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:49.720 we can't, we can't operate on these levels. Now. You know, 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:52.000 we go to the supermarket and okay, we're not getting 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:54.640 a dollar or a liter of milk anymore. But there is 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:57.560 an argument maybe we should be paying more. If that 0:01:57.760 --> 0:02:01.520 then filtered back to the source. The dairying no guarantee, 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:04.520 it always does. So these things come and go, these debates, 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:08.040 but the problems seem to just perpetuate in the dairy industry. 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:09.880 I know very little about it, but I want to 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:11.760 speak to someone at the coal face, so I'll speak 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:15.120 to philm after one o'clock Meryll Kine. Now Merrill is 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:19.280 the new South Wales Justices Association Vice President, and I 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:21.760 was saying to Mark just before, there are a bunch 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:25.520 of challenges for Justices of the Peace in Victoria. They 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:29.360 simply don't have enough of them. In regional Victoria particularly, 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:32.560 there's a very significant earth of jps. And you know 0:02:33.000 --> 0:02:34.640 you're going to need a JP on a number of 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:38.160 occasions throughout your life to witness documents, to do all 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:40.799 sorts of things, and if there just isn't one available, 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:43.440 or you've got to drive miles and miles to find one, 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:46.520 it is a real impediment. So why are we down 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:49.200 on jps? Why is there a shortage? Why aren't people 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:51.440 taking it up? What did jps do? What are the 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:52.560 qualifications you need? 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:52.720 Is? 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:55.200 My late father was a JP, but I don't think 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:58.079 I ever asked him how he came about it. I've 0:02:58.080 --> 0:03:01.480 got a feeling when he became a JP. In those days, 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:04.320 a lot of teachers sort of automatically became jps or 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:06.440 something like that. But I might be wrong. That's in 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:09.880 New South Wales. Different horses for different courses in different states. 0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:12.040 But if you are a JP, you might want to 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:13.480 have you say on all of this one three, one, 0:03:13.600 --> 0:03:16.959 eight seven three. And there does seem to be a shortage. 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:20.560 The average JP seems to be getting older, and you 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:22.760 know that's something we're going to have to look at. 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:24.799 Drive is back with us, even if it is a 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:26.680 public holiday. A lot of people are on the roads. 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:30.200 James Ward, the director of content at drive dot com 0:03:30.240 --> 0:03:33.519 DOTU will be here to take your questions about different 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:36.560 cars and all the rest of it. Actually, speaking of cars, 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:40.400 I saw what was it, a Genesis? A Genesis on 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:43.080 the road the other year. They're good looking cars. They're 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:46.480 very good looking cars. Don't see too many of them around, 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:48.840 but damn fine looking vehicles. I might ask James about 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:51.920 the whole Genesis story. And after two o'clock with the 0:03:52.000 --> 0:03:56.680 King's Birthday public holiday, comes the awards that we associate 0:03:56.760 --> 0:03:59.360 with the day. And I think this is a wonderful opportunity. 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:02.440 It seems to have been well exercised this year, anyway 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:06.119 to recognize and elevate those that have done extraordinary things 0:04:06.160 --> 0:04:09.480 but may not have Shall we say that the platform 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:16.640 or the pulpit that celebrities have to elevate their cause. Now, yes, 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:20.640 we also give gongs to people that are sporting champions 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:23.640 and former high profile politicians, and of course they've got 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:28.080 their pulpit already and they can communicate from there. But 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:32.080 what we get today are a range of Australians, a 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:36.839 bunch of people that have really overachieved compared to the average, 0:04:37.600 --> 0:04:41.520 and yet up until this point haven't really had the ability, 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:45.000 haven't been given the platform to educate us about what 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:48.160 they do and the areas in which they've achieved. I'll 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:50.480 be speaking to one of those people today, Roger Franzen. 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:54.880 Roger's the former chair of the Space Industry Association of Australia. 0:04:55.240 --> 0:04:58.040 He's done incredible work in engineering all sorts of things, 0:04:58.360 --> 0:05:01.039 and he's a wonderful gentleman. And he's now Roger friends 0:05:01.080 --> 0:05:03.080 in AO and I look forward to speaking to him 0:05:03.080 --> 0:05:04.680 in the final hour. We've got track of the day. 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:07.120 As Mark reminded me. We'll catch up with a great 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:09.600 Mark Levy. He'll be at that big football match this afternoon. 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:12.919 The continuous call team on instead of Sydney now because 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:14.480 of the big game. So all of that and more 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:22.040 stay with us one three, one eight seven three. It 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:24.840 is quarter past twelve. Well, look, it might be a 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:27.920 public holiday out here, but it's very quiet streets all 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:30.560 that sort of stuff. But over in Los Angeles it's 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:33.840 a very different story. Turn on the television and chances 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:37.320 are you'll see scenes from LA with thousands of protesters 0:05:37.320 --> 0:05:41.120 and law enforcement facing off over the removal of illegal 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:44.920 immigrants from across the city. But depending on who you 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:47.640 watch or what you listen to, chances are you won't 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:51.880 hear the full story about what's going on. All too often, 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:55.560 the anti Trump default position just automatically kicks in and 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:57.920 the reason why, for example, the National Guard has been 0:05:57.960 --> 0:06:03.920 deployed is not explained. So what is going on over there? Well, 0:06:03.960 --> 0:06:07.280 in short, on Friday and Saturday, so called Ice agents 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:10.200 arrested some one hundred immigrants from around Los Angeles City 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:13.520 as the agents swept through different neighborhoods, some of them 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:18.240 heavily Latino. In composition, tensions escalated and protest has congregated, 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:21.080 and there were reports of federal agents being pelted with 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:23.680 rocks and chunks of cement. All of that started to 0:06:23.680 --> 0:06:27.200 filter through. Something had to be done. Now, Trump's decision 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:30.800 to send in the Guard is somewhat historic. It is 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:33.760 the first time in some sixty or so years that 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:38.080 a president has activated the Guard minus a request from 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:41.520 the state's governor. But in the case of Los Angeles, 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:44.279 the governor is the Democrat Gavin Newsom, and there was 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:48.240 no way Newsom would ask for help rounding up illegal immigrants, 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:51.520 even those that might have criminal records, because his party 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:54.320 has been running a legislative protection racket for such people 0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:57.920 for a long long time. Now, they call this sanctuary cities, 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:01.719 right and in America, a stack of big cities like 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:04.280 Los Angeles, New York, Chicago, and along with some two 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:09.279 hundred odd towns are declared sanctuary cities. And in the 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:13.520 case of Los Angeles, part of this designation means laws 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:18.520 have been passed to specifically deny any cooperation between the 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:21.280 local authorities and the federal government on matters to do 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:24.800 with immigration enforcement. Now, for an Australian audience, trying to 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:26.920 work out how this happens. It'd be a bit like 0:07:26.960 --> 0:07:30.680 the state parliament or some local council withholding resources and 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:35.600 denying Canberra access to any council facility in the enforcement 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:39.240 of an immigration matter. Now, people here that how does 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:43.160 that happen. Indeed, in the words of Nitha Raman, who's 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:47.120 an LA councilor from the fourth District, quote, LA's new 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:54.240 Sanctuary City Ordinance permanently enshrines sanctuary policies into municipal law 0:07:54.640 --> 0:07:58.400 and prohibits the use of city resources, including property and personnel, 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:03.520 from being utilized for immigration enforcement or to cooperate with 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:09.360 federal immigration agents engaged in immigration enforcement. Now, she went 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:13.720 on to write to constituents recently, quote the ordinance prohibits 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:17.680 the direct and indirect sharing of data with federal immigration 0:08:17.760 --> 0:08:21.880 authorities and important gap, she said, to close in our 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:27.880 city's protection for immigrants. So there you have it. The 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:30.960 law makers of Los Angeles City have no interest in 0:08:31.000 --> 0:08:35.400 helping the federal government identify and deport people who shouldn't 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:38.080 be in the country or suspected shouldn't be in the country. 0:08:38.120 --> 0:08:41.640 In fact, they're doing everything they can to protect such people. 0:08:42.200 --> 0:08:45.520 Despite the direction of the Congress and the presidency. That's 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:48.120 a completely unacceptable state of affairs that's been allowed to 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:50.600 FESTI for far too long, and at all it took 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:52.960 really was a president who was prepared to actually follow 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:54.640 through on his order to bring it. 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:55.280 To a head. 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:58.320 And so here we are now. The la Mayor has 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:00.520 been in the media this morning urging the pre cotesters 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:03.719 to keep calm lester. She says they play into the 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:07.960 administration's plans. Now. Trump has been accused by other leading 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:13.760 Democrats of intentionally escalating tensions. Ironically, what these people don't 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:17.120 admit is that it's their policies that are the things 0:09:17.240 --> 0:09:22.720 intentionally escalating the tensions. You see, since nineteen seventy nine, 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:25.640 with the passing of the so called Special Order forty, 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:29.640 the LAPD have apparently maintained a policy where they don't 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:32.760 arrest people on the basis of immigration status or take 0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:37.480 any actions to determine a person's immigration status. These don't 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:40.920 want to know. The latest sanctuary city legislation, the one 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:43.240 I mentioned earlier, is merely the icing on the cake, 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:45.240 the cherry on the top, But it speaks to a 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:49.800 mindset that's determined to undermine and stymy federal directives in 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:54.320 a policy area that should be wholly managed by federal law. Now, 0:09:54.360 --> 0:09:56.920 I think with the deployment of the National Guard, Trump's 0:09:56.920 --> 0:09:59.480 making a point not just to Los Angeles in California, 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:03.439 but all the devotees of sanctuary cities across the United States, 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:06.360 and that is shape up or ship out. In his 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:09.720 first term, he tried to deny these jurisdictions federal funding 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:14.000 if they didn't follow federal directives. That failed, but emboldened 0:10:14.000 --> 0:10:17.400 by winning a second term, he's clearly trying again, and 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:20.880 so far the legal barriers are again being put up, 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:23.680 the latest coming on April twenty four, when a federal 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:28.000 judge in California, of all places, barred the administration from 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:32.120 denying federal funds two sanctuary jurisdictions. But if it goes 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:34.800 all the way to the Supreme Court, well Trump may 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:38.559 have the last laugh. Watch this space. In the meantime, 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:42.360 some of Los Angeles streets remain off limits, with smoldering cars, 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:46.079 riot police, the National Guard, at a mix of protesters 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:50.600 and just plain rioters facing and fighting for the rights 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:53.800 of what the Americans tend to call illegal aliens. Now 0:10:53.840 --> 0:10:56.640 many will remember that song by the clash from nineteen 0:10:56.720 --> 0:10:59.000 seventy seven. You know, I fought the law and the 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:02.160 law won. Well, it's going to be fascinating to see 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:06.240 which interpretation of the law prevails in this case, the 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:08.920 local laws of the city of Los Angeles or the 0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:12.480 might of the federal law and the presidency. But either way, 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:15.240 as the messy scenes play out on our televisions, one 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:19.000 thing is certain, the reputation of the United States eight winning. 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:21.280 Appreciate all the feedback, keep it coming. Zero four six 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:23.600 zero eight seven three eight seven three. On this public 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:26.880 holiday Monday, a lot of calls about the JP situation. 0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:31.880 Let's get to some of those. Jack, Good, afternoon, kisch. 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:34.560 Hi MATEI how are you? 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:34.800 Yeah? 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:35.920 Good? What's your story? Jack? 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:42.320 J was given it the light through the court back 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:47.680 in about eighty four, and then only recently they start 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:48.959 a lot of FREJP. 0:11:49.480 --> 0:11:55.040 They took a lifelong awarding of it about ten years ago, 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:57.120 and then only last year you had to sit there 0:11:57.160 --> 0:12:03.199 and do another test of your testing of his JP knowledge. 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:05.360 And I just said, I'll bug it. I've been a 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:08.240 JP for nearly forty years. Why do I have to 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:11.360 sit now and do a test. And I think a 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:13.280 lot of people did the same thing. I know my 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:15.920 brother did the same thing. My brother, my son in law, 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:18.680 he also did the same thing. Why should we have 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:21.680 to sit back and do another test? Be coauld have 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:25.040 already done all this, Nothing's changed, We're still doing the 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:25.840 same Servant. 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:29.320 That's an interesting point, Jack. That's something I'll raise with 0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:32.120 my guest in the in the second hour, Merrill about 0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:35.160 this refresher test or course or whatever it is. Is 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:37.280 it not being a JP. I'm not across all the details, 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:39.679 so I'm here to learn about it, and it's interesting 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:42.679 that people are dropping out like you, saying, well, why 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:45.720 should why should I be retested for something I've been 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:48.400 doing and as a community service for decades. Thank you. 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:51.200 I'll see what others have to make about that. Jack Sean, 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:51.960 good afternoon. 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:57.120 Hi Michael. I had the same experience as Jack, and 0:12:57.800 --> 0:13:00.319 you know, I was really disappointed with the whole pres 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:03.120 because I've been a JP for forty years. I'm sixty now. 0:13:03.640 --> 0:13:08.200 I was a JP when i was nineteen and and 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:10.600 now Jack said, you know, ten to fifteen years ago 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:12.920 they started to you know, had to reapply to become 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:16.440 a JP. And that was fine, and the test which 0:13:16.480 --> 0:13:19.240 we had to set. Last year, I printed out a 0:13:19.280 --> 0:13:22.840 PDF document of about fifty or sixty pages and went 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:26.800 through that and studied it. And the questions, Michael, were 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:30.640 so close to know how you have multiple choice questions 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:35.199 where the answers are very similar that you know, I 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:40.800 got sort of you know, eighty percent incorrect correct, and 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:43.560 you know I had to get ninety percent to become 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:47.080 reapplied past the test. I didn't even get an option, 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:50.440 but it was was basically, you know, you're failed and 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:53.760 you're not being to register. And I was really disappointed 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:56.320 with that whole prochi because you know, as Jack has 0:13:56.360 --> 0:13:58.800 done and other people have done, you know, you give 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:04.080 this as a community service, yes, and then you service 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:06.920 and we'll see you later. And now that the short 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:08.120 of people that's ridiculous. 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:11.000 Well yeah, okay, we're getting a bit of a story developing. Sure. 0:14:11.040 --> 0:14:15.040 I appreciate that. Thank you, Hi Patricia, Oh, hi Michael. 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:19.360 I've been the JP for over fifty years and I 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:21.720 went to Parliament just ever a year ago where they 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:24.360 had a morning tea to recognize people who had fifty 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:28.760 years service. I did it mainly in my work, which 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:32.280 is in a hospital, and so much legislation now including 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:34.880 in the workplace like you need fax leave or everything. 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:37.920 They all need decks and they all require a JP, 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:41.080 so you can be quite frisy doing your normal workplus 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:45.120 some having to sign statutue decorations. And in my days 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:47.640 when I first joined, you had to apply to your 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:50.360 local member of public and then they also did a 0:14:50.360 --> 0:14:52.520 criminal record tech so you had to be a good 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:55.640 character and have references, but you didn't need any other 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:57.640 qualifications to become a JP. 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:00.680 So no doubt, Patricia, you've been doing the for fifty years. 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:02.880 Thank you for what you've done. You you would have 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:05.320 had to have gone through that reapplication process at some 0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:05.880 point there. 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:07.000 Yeah. 0:15:07.120 --> 0:15:09.800 Yeah, absolutely did it online and may register you, I 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:11.920 think for about three years, and then to continue to 0:15:11.960 --> 0:15:14.440 be registered you have to do the testing in online. 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:14.760 Yeah. 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:16.680 What do you think about that, as that I've got 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:19.240 no skin in the game except I used JP occasionally 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:22.800 like everybody does. But about reapplying as it were being 0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:26.280 tested every three or so years, is that fair and reasonable? 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:29.040 Yeah, it's a bit of a nuisance that I think. 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:31.120 Oh well, it keeps you on your toes to make 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:33.560 sure you haven't forgotten anything or you know you're not 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:36.560 missing the point on something, so I didn't object too 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:37.640 much to having to do it. 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:40.280 Yeah, good on you. Thanks Patricia. Lovely to hear from you. 0:15:40.400 --> 0:15:43.720 Enjoyed the rest of the public holiday Monday. Doug's there, God, 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:47.440 I Doug Michael Pleasure. 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:51.360 I just read I just read something sat the JP test. 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:53.160 I think I got referral five and he's you got 0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:55.800 to do it. But they have made it easier where 0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:58.640 you only really sit in the questions you fail first 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:01.920 time around. I'm just saying to your system five years 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:04.480 ago or six years ago, when COVID was around, you 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:06.640 get one question wrong and you got to see the 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:09.160 whole thing again, which is an absolute punish. I thought 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:12.080 it's probably seen or fifteen times and was going to 0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:15.520 start to towel week. But it's easy this time around. 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:18.280 So I guess they may have listened the peoples concerns 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:20.400 when sid or finder in your process. 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:22.160 I'm the sharing Yeah all right. 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:25.200 Well that's obviously in recognition that a lot of people 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:27.760 were doing what our previous callers were saying, is well, okay, 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:30.840 sold this, I'm out. So you've got to design the 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:33.560 system so that you keep a certain number of jps 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:36.120 on the books. Otherwise the whole thing grinds to a halt. Doug, 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:38.480 well done for persisting. Thank you. A lot of techs 0:16:38.480 --> 0:16:40.760 coming through on this XT. We've hit on something here, 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:43.520 no name, but it says my husband did the same 0:16:43.520 --> 0:16:45.640 thing as many of your callers after about thirty years 0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:49.640 said no thanks to all of this. Last year, Sue 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:51.600 on the tech said, I was a JP for thirty 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:54.240 seven years. I retired last year with the renewal of 0:16:54.280 --> 0:16:57.360 status application forms. They're now online, but I don't have 0:16:57.360 --> 0:16:59.840 a computer. It was a privilege to serve the community. 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:03.520 These are usually available at libraries, post offices, banks and 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:06.280 real estate agents that I know of. That's from Sue, 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:09.680 who is now retired JP. A lot of people I 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:13.200 think go to the post office for that, some doctors 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:17.679 JP's as well as being GPS obviously real estate agents. 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:20.200 That's interesting. I hadn't thought of that, all right, Good 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:21.920 to be with you. One three one eight seven three. 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:24.760 The open line number two got the text lines going 0:17:24.880 --> 0:17:27.399 nuts for a public holiday. Every JP under the I 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:29.320 think every JP in the southern hemisphere sent me a 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:33.200 note already, Dave saying what many have said, it's a 0:17:33.320 --> 0:17:35.640 theme here. He said, when I reapplied from a JP 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:38.359 license that was five years ago. The questions were so 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:42.080 close in answers. I complained and was told some of 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:46.200 the answers were correct, but one was basically more correct. 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:48.800 Sort of animal farm esk, isn't it. We're all equal, 0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:51.760 except some animals are more equal than others. Anyway, I said, 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:54.600 frustrating six times to get three questions right. It's a 0:17:55.320 --> 0:17:57.720 he's a paint of the dairy. That's from Dave, So 0:17:57.760 --> 0:17:59.240 I think Dave's stuck with it. But a lot of 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:02.280 people saying, when you do the test, and again I've 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:04.320 got no knowledge of any of this, but some of 0:18:04.359 --> 0:18:07.399 the answers are so similar that they are basically almost 0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:09.560 the same. But you've got to pick exactly the right one, 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:12.240 and it's confusing. And now look others are saying, well, look, 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:15.240 you know JP or not. You want to make sure 0:18:15.240 --> 0:18:17.600 that the people that are will do have this title, 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:19.520 know what they're doing and get it right. So if 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:21.360 they're favling the test, maybe they shouldn't be a JP. 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:24.520 Others who are JP, so, well, look, you know, we 0:18:24.600 --> 0:18:26.520 know what we're doing. It's just that the tests are 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:29.439 so difficult to discern the exact right answer, because some 0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:33.959 of them are so close in rationale that it's almost 0:18:34.000 --> 0:18:37.719 deceptively difficult. Now again, I'm just referencing what others are 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:40.320 telling me. I have no knowledge of this. We'll discuss 0:18:40.359 --> 0:18:42.800 it in greater detail with an expert after the news, 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:45.760 but I said text after text. This one from no 0:18:45.880 --> 0:18:48.080 Leano says I am also a JP for many years. 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:50.800 The test is many answers that are very ambiguous, and 0:18:50.840 --> 0:18:53.440 a one hundred percent pass is required. Whilst I'm happy 0:18:53.520 --> 0:18:55.840 at my age early eighties to still provide the service, 0:18:56.080 --> 0:18:58.480 I think the whole thing is just too hard to 0:18:58.560 --> 0:19:03.120 provide a service. That's from Noline. Thank you, Noline. Nice 0:19:03.119 --> 0:19:06.240 to hear from you. This is from Gay, who says 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:08.840 I've been a JP since nineteen eighty nine. Like the 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:11.200 last caller, I too had an online course assessment to 0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:14.080 maintain my status. It's typical of the government simply adding 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:16.359 a layer of red tape to keep some bureaucrat in 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:22.040 the job. Also note no other occupations can sign documents 0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:25.600 and do not need to do this course like a JP. 0:19:26.119 --> 0:19:28.439 All right, Gay, thank you for your feedback. I appreciate it. 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:31.439 Paul suggests that JP should be paid a small fee. 0:19:31.840 --> 0:19:34.880 My understanding is it it's a completely voluntary service. Again, 0:19:34.920 --> 0:19:37.879 I might be wrong, but that's my understanding. Geraldine's just 0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:39.120 called in, Hi, Geraldine. 0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:41.280 Oh oh, Michael. 0:19:41.359 --> 0:19:45.040 Yes, I've just done my reapply to be a JP, 0:19:45.800 --> 0:19:48.439 and it's actually a lot simpler than people might think. 0:19:49.000 --> 0:19:51.920 To reapply, you only have to get i think twenty 0:19:52.000 --> 0:19:54.880 or thirty questions correct, and you're able to look at 0:19:54.880 --> 0:19:59.240 the manual as you do it. So it's actually it's 0:19:59.280 --> 0:20:01.520 not that owner. It can be a big tricky if 0:20:01.520 --> 0:20:06.000 you're not familiar with computers, but otherwise it's it's not 0:20:06.119 --> 0:20:07.200 too bad, I don't think. 0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:09.239 Okay, so you can have the manual beside you and 0:20:09.280 --> 0:20:11.280 you can refer to that as you go. Is it 0:20:11.400 --> 0:20:13.840 timed the questions or you get a certain amount of 0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:15.639 time on the hour glass per question? 0:20:17.000 --> 0:20:19.000 I think it might be if you take way too long, 0:20:19.520 --> 0:20:21.840 but you can say that and come back to it. 0:20:21.960 --> 0:20:24.920 You can. There's no limit to the number of times 0:20:24.920 --> 0:20:28.720 you do it to pass. And if you're reapplying, if 0:20:28.760 --> 0:20:30.919 you do get a question wrong, you only have to 0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:34.159 do that question you've got wrong. Okay, you've got an 0:20:34.200 --> 0:20:36.160 eighty five percent past mark. 0:20:36.400 --> 0:20:38.439 I think one of our previous callers said in the 0:20:38.440 --> 0:20:40.880 past it was it was all or bust. But then 0:20:40.960 --> 0:20:43.000 I think what you're saying, Jordine refers to what someone 0:20:43.000 --> 0:20:45.160 else said, and that was changed so that you get 0:20:45.200 --> 0:20:48.720 to reset the specific questions until you get it right. 0:20:49.800 --> 0:20:52.880 That's right, but that's only if you're reapplying and you've 0:20:52.920 --> 0:20:55.840 got a basic eighty five percent pass mark to get 0:20:55.840 --> 0:20:59.760 to that point. Interesting, So, yeah, it's actually so Actually 0:20:59.760 --> 0:21:01.520 I've I didn't think it was all that bad in 0:21:01.560 --> 0:21:05.679 the end. Well good because and the on that site 0:21:05.680 --> 0:21:08.920 that you go into the manual is actually a soft 0:21:08.920 --> 0:21:10.680 copy in front of you, so you can just pull 0:21:10.720 --> 0:21:12.840 it down as you need it, and even when you 0:21:12.840 --> 0:21:14.879 get a question wrong, it will tell you which section 0:21:14.960 --> 0:21:16.560 in the manual you need to go to to get 0:21:16.560 --> 0:21:17.200 the answer. 0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:19.760 Well, that's that's certainly sounding a lot easier than some 0:21:19.800 --> 0:21:22.920 others were suggesting. Geraldine. I appreciate your feedback very much. 0:21:22.960 --> 0:21:25.480 Thank you. One three, one eight seven three. Now before 0:21:25.480 --> 0:21:26.840 we get to a break, and we'll catch up with 0:21:26.840 --> 0:21:28.440 a dairy farmer and have a look at what's happening 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:31.719 with milk prices and the dairy industry after this. But 0:21:31.720 --> 0:21:34.000 there was a speaking of sort of food related issues. 0:21:34.000 --> 0:21:36.760 It's a fascinating story in the UK Telegraph. Over the weekend. 0:21:36.760 --> 0:21:40.000 They often churn out some doozies the UK Telegraph, and 0:21:40.040 --> 0:21:43.880 this is top of the pile. According to some academics. 0:21:44.560 --> 0:21:47.800 Don't roll your eyes yet, the Michel and Restaurant Guide 0:21:48.520 --> 0:21:55.000 is racist, eurocentric and elitist. Don't these people have anything 0:21:55.040 --> 0:21:58.399 better to do? So, it says here. The famous guide, 0:21:58.400 --> 0:22:00.520 first published by the French tire Come copy back in 0:22:00.560 --> 0:22:04.080 nineteen hundred, now covers more than thirty countries. It's racked 0:22:04.119 --> 0:22:06.760 up sales of more than thirty million copies. The rating 0:22:06.800 --> 0:22:09.560 system of stars is often seen as the sort of 0:22:09.600 --> 0:22:12.399 the krem de la creme for the restaurant industry. But 0:22:12.480 --> 0:22:14.960 in the most recent version of the Great Britain and 0:22:15.160 --> 0:22:19.040 Island Guide, and that's got eleven hundred and forty seven restaurants, 0:22:19.280 --> 0:22:21.680 two hundred and twenty a starred, and there's a Greek 0:22:21.720 --> 0:22:24.320 one in there. There's an Anglo Thai etery, a Korean restaurant, 0:22:24.359 --> 0:22:28.000 a couple of West African restaurants in Fitzrovia in London 0:22:28.040 --> 0:22:30.560 that have been awarded stars. So it's not just all 0:22:30.600 --> 0:22:33.800 French things, but as it says here. Despite some variety 0:22:33.960 --> 0:22:37.760 within the guides, critics argue that Michelin's approach is generally 0:22:38.000 --> 0:22:42.160 parochial and that it ignores huge swathes of the world. 0:22:43.480 --> 0:22:47.240 Now the average person who might be over in say 0:22:47.240 --> 0:22:49.440 Europe or something that look, we're going to splash out, 0:22:49.440 --> 0:22:51.760 We're going to gave a really top notch feed here. 0:22:52.480 --> 0:22:54.280 Let's have a look at the Michelin Guide. And you know, 0:22:55.000 --> 0:22:57.600 do you think they give it. They ain't care, it cares, 0:22:57.640 --> 0:23:02.720 you know. But some academicsio existence. So as it says here, 0:23:02.760 --> 0:23:05.679 these emissions may be down to racism, also suggests a 0:23:05.680 --> 0:23:11.119 professor of anthropology, religion, and transnational Studies at Emerson College 0:23:11.160 --> 0:23:14.160 in Boston. The person is saying, quote, there is no 0:23:14.240 --> 0:23:17.760 Michelin Guide in India, one of the world's greatest and 0:23:17.800 --> 0:23:21.640 oldest cuisines, or in Africa, with its multiplicity of cultural flavors, 0:23:21.800 --> 0:23:26.960 perhaps a side of racism with the berf bourgagnor Nice tribe, 0:23:27.000 --> 0:23:29.520 but instead of promoting restaurants in other parts of the world. 0:23:29.520 --> 0:23:33.200 The critics say that the inherently elitist guide for celebrating 0:23:33.280 --> 0:23:38.359 obscure European gastronomic processes such as fire cooking and Stockholm 0:23:38.520 --> 0:23:43.360 and molecular gastronomy in Spain. In fact, the academic said, 0:23:43.400 --> 0:23:48.080 and I quote, despite a movement to decolonize food, did 0:23:48.119 --> 0:23:51.520 you know about? That? Movement? Hasn't registered in my part 0:23:51.520 --> 0:23:55.520 of town. Too busy, just trying to pay the bills. Anyway, 0:23:55.600 --> 0:23:59.440 despite a movement to decolonize food by rethinking colonial legacies 0:23:59.480 --> 0:24:05.920 of power and the extractive ways of eating, Michelin has 0:24:05.920 --> 0:24:11.560 delivered its stellar reputation primarily from reviving, reviewing rather metropolitan 0:24:11.600 --> 0:24:15.520 European cuisine. Anyway, you get these GISTs. Some people reckon 0:24:15.600 --> 0:24:18.320 the Michelin Guide is racist and eurocentric. Look, it might 0:24:18.359 --> 0:24:21.399 be eurocentric, but is that a problem? Does that matter? 0:24:21.880 --> 0:24:24.800 I mean the mischel entire company's French, you know, I mean, 0:24:24.880 --> 0:24:28.320 cut them some slack. They happen to be European. I'm 0:24:28.359 --> 0:24:33.120 sure there's a bunch of critics and guides in Africa 0:24:33.240 --> 0:24:35.199 and Asia and India that do their own thing that 0:24:35.240 --> 0:24:39.879 probably don't rate too many European restaurants, or restaurants in 0:24:39.920 --> 0:24:42.280 Australia for that matter. Do we care? 0:24:42.400 --> 0:24:42.480 No? 0:24:43.040 --> 0:24:45.639 Who cares? I mean, these people just need to go 0:24:45.640 --> 0:24:47.440 and actually earn a living, I think, instead of hanging 0:24:47.440 --> 0:24:49.479 around in the halls of academia churning out that kind 0:24:49.520 --> 0:24:51.600 of guff. Australia, as you know, is a nation that's 0:24:51.640 --> 0:24:53.760 been built on farming and for hundreds of years. The 0:24:53.760 --> 0:24:56.160 fact that the matter is farming, but it for meat 0:24:56.200 --> 0:24:58.879 or crops or indeed dairy has been the backbone of 0:24:58.880 --> 0:25:01.640 the nation for a very long time. But for many 0:25:01.880 --> 0:25:05.200 this reality is something that I think they forget. Some 0:25:05.240 --> 0:25:07.760 of that note out linked to all sorts of different 0:25:07.800 --> 0:25:10.720 policies which in turn put farmers under pressure control things 0:25:10.800 --> 0:25:13.800 like methane production from the animals and sort the whole 0:25:13.840 --> 0:25:17.240 story gets lost, right, But there is also the issue 0:25:17.280 --> 0:25:20.760 of cost in farming, because there are often occasions when 0:25:20.800 --> 0:25:24.000 the local produce is more expensive than what we could 0:25:24.040 --> 0:25:26.120 purchase from overseas. But at the end of the day, 0:25:26.160 --> 0:25:30.040 we need local farmers to keep the economy running and 0:25:30.080 --> 0:25:33.800 our sovereignty guaranteed. Now the backbone of all of them, 0:25:33.840 --> 0:25:36.240 of of course, the dairy farmers, but they're under a 0:25:36.280 --> 0:25:38.520 lot of pressure at the moment, with dairy companies across 0:25:38.560 --> 0:25:43.200 the country reportedly announcing their latest farm gate milk prices. 0:25:43.520 --> 0:25:47.160 Now generally speaking, across the board, these companies have announced 0:25:47.320 --> 0:25:50.200 slight increases to the price this is the minimum price, 0:25:50.880 --> 0:25:53.639 but they pale in comparison to the increased cost of 0:25:53.720 --> 0:25:57.760 production at the farm gate. Now the story doesn't apply 0:25:57.840 --> 0:26:00.480 to all farmers. Some farmers have got a pretty good 0:26:00.480 --> 0:26:03.119 deal and they're not in the middle of drought, and 0:26:03.160 --> 0:26:06.560 there's good production and everything on their patch. But you 0:26:06.640 --> 0:26:09.160 go fifty or sixty kilometers in another direction, and it's 0:26:09.160 --> 0:26:12.080 a different story. I wanted to speak to a dairy 0:26:12.119 --> 0:26:14.440 farmer who understands all of this. Phil Ryan is his name. 0:26:14.440 --> 0:26:17.680 He runs Hillgrove Dairy. It's in the Bega Valley. He's 0:26:17.680 --> 0:26:19.600 on the line with me. Now, Phil, thanks for your 0:26:19.600 --> 0:26:20.480 time this afternoon. 0:26:21.000 --> 0:26:22.280 Now, good afternoons, pleasure. 0:26:22.920 --> 0:26:25.439 You've got pretty good green pasture there. I think at 0:26:25.480 --> 0:26:28.440 the moment you've had some rain. The Bega Valley generally speaking, 0:26:28.480 --> 0:26:31.639 is doing okay. But you're very aware. I know of 0:26:31.680 --> 0:26:34.680 the fact that for many other people who do your 0:26:34.720 --> 0:26:36.359 line of work in other parts of the country, it's 0:26:36.400 --> 0:26:37.399 a very different story. 0:26:38.359 --> 0:26:42.040 Absolutely on both counts. We do have pretty well an 0:26:42.080 --> 0:26:46.280 ideal season here in Beger at the moment, but many 0:26:46.280 --> 0:26:50.240 of my colleagues are suffering really badly with drought, in 0:26:50.359 --> 0:26:56.040 Western Victoria, Victoria, generally in South Australia, even Tasmania, and 0:26:56.080 --> 0:26:59.359 then pretty much everyone listening is probably well aware of 0:26:59.359 --> 0:27:01.000 the floods on the mid North Coast. 0:27:01.520 --> 0:27:04.600 Indeed, so you're obviously being in the Biga Valley, you're 0:27:04.640 --> 0:27:07.880 dealing with the bigger company, and there is a benefit 0:27:07.960 --> 0:27:10.800 for being so close to the buyer as it were. 0:27:11.040 --> 0:27:13.400 I think I read in the fin review they're proposing 0:27:13.440 --> 0:27:16.479 a minimum price of ten dollars and forty cents per 0:27:16.560 --> 0:27:19.800 kilogram of milk solids. But that's a pretty generous price 0:27:19.840 --> 0:27:21.399 compared to what others are getting into state. 0:27:22.359 --> 0:27:27.040 That is true, we're well positioned for supplying a cheese manufacturer, 0:27:27.560 --> 0:27:33.680 and our colleagues in Victoria, South Australia, Tasmania would be 0:27:33.720 --> 0:27:36.399 thinking their prices well short of what they need in 0:27:36.480 --> 0:27:40.720 current conditions. And then our fresh milk suppliers further north 0:27:41.440 --> 0:27:45.800 are being paid more again for getting that fresh milk 0:27:45.920 --> 0:27:50.160 into Sydney and Brisbane. But once again they'd be probably 0:27:50.200 --> 0:27:53.920 suggesting that the price they're receiving isn't keeping up with 0:27:54.160 --> 0:27:55.639 the conditions that they're facing. 0:27:57.680 --> 0:27:59.680 These are just numbers, right, So other farmers are being 0:27:59.680 --> 0:28:02.080 off at eight dollars sixty. I think by Fonterra is 0:28:02.160 --> 0:28:06.480 the sort of the opening milk price you can negotiate, right, 0:28:06.560 --> 0:28:08.280 so you can go up from there. That's the base, 0:28:08.320 --> 0:28:11.280 I think, But I mean, how frequently does the price 0:28:11.440 --> 0:28:12.879 rocket north of the base. 0:28:14.520 --> 0:28:18.280 I don't think I've ever seen it rocket, nor that 0:28:18.760 --> 0:28:22.320 price of Fonterras will not be competitive and they will 0:28:22.800 --> 0:28:27.720 have to increase the price they offer. We're seeing prices 0:28:27.760 --> 0:28:31.480 around the nine dollars a kilo mark in their sort 0:28:31.480 --> 0:28:36.040 of supply area, but once again that's probably short of 0:28:36.320 --> 0:28:40.880 where it needs to be. Fonterra are paying their dairy 0:28:40.880 --> 0:28:43.160 farmers in New Zealand the price of ten dollars a 0:28:43.200 --> 0:28:46.240 kilo New Zealand, which equates to about nine dollars twenty 0:28:46.280 --> 0:28:50.400 five after exchange, and I suggest that's the minimum our 0:28:50.480 --> 0:28:54.600 dairy farmers want to see as a price signal for 0:28:54.720 --> 0:28:58.320 them being appropriately valued, and even a little bit more 0:28:58.320 --> 0:28:59.120 than that would be good. 0:29:00.000 --> 0:29:02.200 However, these stories come to light, and they do on 0:29:02.240 --> 0:29:04.840 a cyclical basis, and the city wakes up to the 0:29:04.840 --> 0:29:08.160 fact that being a dairy farmers not about making rivers 0:29:08.160 --> 0:29:11.760 of gold, can be very difficult. The old debate about 0:29:11.800 --> 0:29:15.080 deregulation comes forward. Some say it, oh, it was better 0:29:15.120 --> 0:29:17.200 in the old days when we're all sort of individuals, 0:29:17.360 --> 0:29:20.000 and now others say no, no, no, there's strength in the collective. 0:29:20.360 --> 0:29:23.800 What's your take on the deregulation debate all these years on. 0:29:26.040 --> 0:29:29.800 It's definitely been challenging for farmers. That's demonstrated by the 0:29:29.840 --> 0:29:32.160 fall in the amount of milk we've produced and the 0:29:32.240 --> 0:29:37.960 number of farmers supplying that milk. There are elements of 0:29:38.000 --> 0:29:40.920 competition that I think are very very good for the 0:29:40.960 --> 0:29:45.720 economy and society generally, but we struggle in Australia with 0:29:47.160 --> 0:29:55.720 a heavily dominated domestic supermarket industry, and we saw Coles, 0:29:55.760 --> 0:30:00.920 Wilworth and now the reduce the price of freshmen last 0:30:00.960 --> 0:30:04.360 year when there's no way that price should have been 0:30:04.360 --> 0:30:08.239 going down, and if they were serious in responding to 0:30:09.120 --> 0:30:12.440 the needs of farmers, they would be increasing that price 0:30:12.560 --> 0:30:16.760 and passing it on immediately and it should never be 0:30:16.760 --> 0:30:22.520 going backwards. Farmers are, particularly dairy farmers, who operate relatively 0:30:23.920 --> 0:30:29.640 high volume, low margin businesses. We are arguably more exposed 0:30:29.680 --> 0:30:35.280 to inflationary pressures and input costs than the most businesses, 0:30:36.000 --> 0:30:38.280 and we have very little control over the price we 0:30:38.320 --> 0:30:43.720 sell our product for, and that is an issue as 0:30:43.800 --> 0:30:47.400 well as the extreme climatic pressures that we're seeing in 0:30:47.440 --> 0:30:48.240 parts of the country. 0:30:48.840 --> 0:30:50.520 You've got precious left, right and center. This is what 0:30:50.560 --> 0:30:53.160 some people, I guess don't understand. You've got the vagaries 0:30:53.200 --> 0:30:55.040 of mother nature and there's nothing you can do about that. 0:30:55.600 --> 0:30:59.040 But you face record costs. The electricity prices at the 0:30:59.040 --> 0:31:02.680 moment particularly must be staggering. In some cases. We discussed 0:31:02.680 --> 0:31:05.200 water shortages, so people are buying in water, they're buying 0:31:05.240 --> 0:31:11.239 in feed. There's intense financial pressure across the board. And 0:31:11.320 --> 0:31:14.280 of course dairy farming is a three sixty five day 0:31:14.560 --> 0:31:17.120 a year, twenty four to seven operation. The herd has 0:31:17.160 --> 0:31:20.080 to be milked twice a day. The average farmer is 0:31:20.120 --> 0:31:23.000 getting older. A lot of these metrics are pointing in 0:31:23.080 --> 0:31:25.640 the wrong direction for a healthy future. 0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:29.840 And that's where we'd be looking for price signals from 0:31:29.880 --> 0:31:35.240 our processes, supermarkets and indeed support from consumers to make 0:31:35.320 --> 0:31:39.280 sure that the Australian dairy industry continues to be able 0:31:39.320 --> 0:31:42.760 to supply the fresh, nutritious dairy products that we do 0:31:42.880 --> 0:31:48.360 now into the future with an increasing population, and that's 0:31:48.400 --> 0:31:50.600 looking a little bit unlikely the way things are heading. 0:31:50.720 --> 0:31:54.200 Soil paint a picture here for our city listeners. Let's 0:31:54.200 --> 0:31:56.640 say farmers like you just can't go on, or the 0:31:56.680 --> 0:31:58.640 next generation don't want to do it because they see 0:31:58.680 --> 0:32:01.360 how tough it is and how challenging it is even 0:32:01.360 --> 0:32:04.480 in good seasons. To make a quid, what does the 0:32:04.520 --> 0:32:09.200 availability of dairy Australian dairy look like in thirty years time. 0:32:11.040 --> 0:32:14.080 It involves trucks moving fresh milk around the country a 0:32:14.120 --> 0:32:21.000 lot more so, increase costs, increase carbon footprint if you will, 0:32:21.680 --> 0:32:26.200 And it probably involves the continued rise in imports of 0:32:26.240 --> 0:32:30.640 butter and cheese and other sort of more transportable dairy products. 0:32:31.400 --> 0:32:36.840 And in an extreme sort of scenario, it may mean 0:32:39.520 --> 0:32:42.440 long life milk is common in parts of Europe and 0:32:42.520 --> 0:32:45.720 other places instead of the fresh milk that we enjoy 0:32:45.720 --> 0:32:46.280 in Australia. 0:32:46.480 --> 0:32:50.680 Uh yep, right. So in the city a lot of 0:32:50.720 --> 0:32:53.200 people today public holiday. Of course, people will be going 0:32:53.240 --> 0:32:55.560 to the cafes if they're open, having their whatever lattes. 0:32:55.600 --> 0:32:57.560 Of course Australian milk. The basis of all of that, 0:32:58.280 --> 0:33:00.600 what's your message of the city for I hear all 0:33:00.600 --> 0:33:02.080 of this and say, look, we want to help, but 0:33:02.600 --> 0:33:04.320 we go to the supermarket to buy the milk because 0:33:04.320 --> 0:33:06.840 there's very little other places available where we can get it. 0:33:07.560 --> 0:33:09.760 So what's the message to the city folk, who has 0:33:09.800 --> 0:33:13.080 the spending power that in many respects decides a lot 0:33:13.120 --> 0:33:14.240 of this. What can we do? 0:33:16.480 --> 0:33:19.240 The first thing is probably grab an extra serve of 0:33:19.240 --> 0:33:24.800 a dairy product, an Australian dairy product, and that probably 0:33:24.960 --> 0:33:27.480 saves you from trying to worry about which brand you're purchasing. 0:33:28.400 --> 0:33:31.120 Just look for an Australian made one, because that will 0:33:31.120 --> 0:33:36.120 be milt from Australian dairy farmers, and that extra server yogurt, 0:33:36.120 --> 0:33:41.600 that extra ice cream or whatever it is is increasing 0:33:41.640 --> 0:33:46.240 the demand and the value of our industry. Then you're 0:33:46.240 --> 0:33:49.120 looking at which brands you purchase, and that is a 0:33:49.160 --> 0:33:53.120 complicated one. But again, if it's Australian made, it's supporting 0:33:53.160 --> 0:33:57.720 Australian farmers. Australian owned becomes a bit more complicated because 0:33:58.560 --> 0:34:02.720 several of our large processes in the country are foreign owned, 0:34:03.240 --> 0:34:08.759 but they're still using milk from Australian farmers, So sort 0:34:08.760 --> 0:34:12.600 of it is a challenge to pick the right brands, 0:34:13.800 --> 0:34:17.759 but one of the easiest ones would be Narco which 0:34:17.800 --> 0:34:19.800 is a farmer own cooperative on the North Coast and 0:34:19.920 --> 0:34:24.719 Queensland and their farmers have been in particular hit very 0:34:24.760 --> 0:34:28.799 hard by the floods and wet conditions up there. So 0:34:28.880 --> 0:34:31.480 if you've got access to that one. Obviously I'm a 0:34:31.480 --> 0:34:36.440 bigger supplier and bias towards bigger and dairy farmers, but 0:34:36.960 --> 0:34:40.280 generally any Australian made dairy product is supporting Australian farmers. 0:34:40.480 --> 0:34:41.920 I've got a couple of leaders in Norco and the 0:34:41.960 --> 0:34:44.680 Fridge actually, so I've done the right thing. Thankfully. I'm 0:34:44.680 --> 0:34:47.480 glad having spoken with you, Phil. I very much appreciate 0:34:47.520 --> 0:34:49.520 your time, all strength to your arm and indeed all 0:34:49.520 --> 0:34:51.520 of those are the dairy farmers, the backbone of the 0:34:51.520 --> 0:34:54.520 economy for many of us. Thank you, Phil, look. 0:34:54.360 --> 0:34:57.680 At pleasure and I appreciate the interest in what we're 0:34:57.719 --> 0:34:59.520 going through and the value of. 0:34:59.480 --> 0:35:02.920 The products produce anytime. Wonderful to speak Phil Ryan, a 0:35:03.080 --> 0:35:06.480 dairy farmer. Then in the Beaga Valley across the country 0:35:06.480 --> 0:35:08.600 there does seem to be a shortage of jps and 0:35:08.600 --> 0:35:11.120 the average JP is getting older now a bit like 0:35:11.120 --> 0:35:13.319 with the dairy farmer's story before the news. If those 0:35:13.400 --> 0:35:15.839 trends continue, We've got a bit of an issue. So 0:35:16.600 --> 0:35:20.279 what is involved in being a JP? How does one 0:35:20.400 --> 0:35:23.840 qualify to be a JP? Are there certain professions that 0:35:23.920 --> 0:35:27.040 are more likely to be represented among the ranks of 0:35:27.080 --> 0:35:29.520 the JPS than others? And what is it with this 0:35:29.640 --> 0:35:31.680 retesting that a number of view of raised has been 0:35:31.760 --> 0:35:34.000 a bit of an issue. Well, Merril Kane's the person 0:35:34.040 --> 0:35:35.839 to speak with. She's the vice president of the New 0:35:35.880 --> 0:35:40.000 South Wales Justices Association and she's with me on the line. Merrill, 0:35:40.040 --> 0:35:42.080 you're a good person doing this on a public holiday. 0:35:42.120 --> 0:35:43.439 Thank you for your time. 0:35:44.400 --> 0:35:46.839 Thank you, Michael. I'm very happy to be here. 0:35:47.239 --> 0:35:49.720 No rest for the JPS, you see, that's the message 0:35:49.719 --> 0:35:52.880 I'm sort of getting now. My late father was a JP. 0:35:53.040 --> 0:35:55.440 He was a teacher, and I might be wrong, but 0:35:55.480 --> 0:35:57.040 I sort of got the impression that a lot of 0:35:57.080 --> 0:36:02.280 teachers almost automatically rolled into being JPS once upon a time. 0:36:02.719 --> 0:36:04.520 Is that true or would he have had to have 0:36:04.520 --> 0:36:07.840 gone through some process at that time? 0:36:08.200 --> 0:36:11.799 He may well have, you know, if it was more 0:36:11.880 --> 0:36:17.680 than about five or six years ago, he could have 0:36:18.280 --> 0:36:20.839 would wouldn't have rolled in, but it would have been 0:36:21.360 --> 0:36:25.800 a very likely and easy candidate to become a JP. 0:36:26.680 --> 0:36:30.800 Most of our jps are people who've worked in a 0:36:31.120 --> 0:36:36.680 sort of customer service or with people and like to help, 0:36:37.120 --> 0:36:41.120 you know, enjoy helping people, and so there's a sort 0:36:41.200 --> 0:36:46.360 of people that do become jps. But nowadays it is 0:36:46.400 --> 0:36:53.200 a little bit more formal. You do have to register well, 0:36:53.320 --> 0:36:56.520 put in an application to become a JP, which you 0:36:56.560 --> 0:37:02.040 can do online, as so many things he's done, And 0:37:02.680 --> 0:37:06.480 there is, as you said, that you do have to 0:37:06.560 --> 0:37:10.000 sort of prove you're a person of good character and 0:37:10.280 --> 0:37:14.200 that you're not likely to be corrupted. So you have 0:37:14.480 --> 0:37:20.200 a police check and you can't be an unm what's 0:37:20.280 --> 0:37:24.120 the word. You can't have had bankruptcy issues or something 0:37:24.280 --> 0:37:28.720 like that. But there is also now a knowledge test, 0:37:28.920 --> 0:37:33.839 which is what you also raised about. I think it 0:37:33.920 --> 0:37:39.080 was probably about six years ago now a knowledge test 0:37:39.320 --> 0:37:44.040 came in for jps. And because you know it, it's 0:37:44.080 --> 0:37:48.000 a sort of thing when you it's not just a 0:37:48.040 --> 0:37:53.360 matter of you know, witnessing a signature. There are proper 0:37:53.400 --> 0:37:58.319 ways to do things, and for example, if you were 0:37:58.360 --> 0:38:03.319 witnessing a statutory deck cloration or a Afford David, there 0:38:03.360 --> 0:38:07.440 are in fact thirteen steps to be followed, so you 0:38:07.600 --> 0:38:11.200 need to do that properly, and you need to know 0:38:11.320 --> 0:38:17.400 that the client we call them clients, they're not customers, 0:38:18.440 --> 0:38:21.680 needs to be reassured that you know what you're doing. 0:38:22.320 --> 0:38:26.120 And therefore the Department of Communities and Justice brought in 0:38:26.200 --> 0:38:30.239 this knowledge test. Yes, put a few people off, but 0:38:30.520 --> 0:38:35.239 let's face it, from the public point of view, we 0:38:35.280 --> 0:38:37.759 want these people to know what they're doing and to 0:38:38.280 --> 0:38:41.760 be assured that they do know what they're doing. 0:38:42.080 --> 0:38:45.000 I understand that somebody earlier who seemed to have a 0:38:45.320 --> 0:38:49.719 I guess was originally termed a lifetime JP license, if 0:38:49.719 --> 0:38:51.319 I can put it that way. I think I got 0:38:51.320 --> 0:38:53.160 their nose a bit out of joint when they then 0:38:53.239 --> 0:38:56.200 had to go through the process, having been effectively told 0:38:56.320 --> 0:38:58.080 years ago, no, you do this once and you've got 0:38:58.080 --> 0:39:00.319 it for life. I wonder if a few people have 0:39:00.360 --> 0:39:01.680 communicated that annoyance. 0:39:02.320 --> 0:39:05.720 Well, that goes back a long time, actually, But yes, 0:39:05.760 --> 0:39:12.360 at one time jps were appointed for life. But again, 0:39:13.320 --> 0:39:16.319 this is not the way life is these days. And 0:39:16.480 --> 0:39:20.719 I think it was, Oh, I can't remember exactly the timing, 0:39:21.280 --> 0:39:28.600 but a good twenty five thirty years ago. The now, 0:39:28.640 --> 0:39:32.840 I can't remember exactly, but what was then the Department 0:39:32.880 --> 0:39:40.000 of Justice, I think reissued appointment and they just think 0:39:40.000 --> 0:39:42.840 that they had a lot of people on their books 0:39:43.280 --> 0:39:47.960 who no longer wanted to be act as jps, or 0:39:48.000 --> 0:39:50.600 they might have even died or moved away, or they 0:39:50.640 --> 0:39:57.719 couldn't find them, so they decided to re issue the 0:39:57.840 --> 0:40:03.400 appointments of JP's and the appointment now lasts for five years. 0:40:03.520 --> 0:40:07.160 Okay. Now, the title itself justice of the Peace, I 0:40:07.200 --> 0:40:10.760 mean it sounds almost feudal or something right from Middle Ages. 0:40:10.760 --> 0:40:14.040 It's so, I mean, where does that actually come from? 0:40:14.040 --> 0:40:16.799 A justice of the peace, because you're not out there 0:40:16.960 --> 0:40:19.840 maintaining law and order in the sense of the word piece. 0:40:19.880 --> 0:40:23.440 So do we know where that has its origins? 0:40:24.800 --> 0:40:27.480 Look, I was looking back on some of the history 0:40:27.520 --> 0:40:30.480 and while we're talking, I'm reaching for the bit of 0:40:30.560 --> 0:40:33.440 paper that I had. But it goes back to Richard 0:40:33.520 --> 0:40:36.959 the lion Heart. If you really want to go back 0:40:37.000 --> 0:40:45.160 to the beginning, we were appointed magistrates or justices to 0:40:45.320 --> 0:40:48.560 keep the peace in local areas. It goes back that 0:40:48.880 --> 0:40:58.000 far and they you know, then you know legal Over time, 0:40:58.680 --> 0:41:05.400 the legal process became much more formalized and training was 0:41:05.520 --> 0:41:11.080 much better, and the appointment of judges and magistrates was 0:41:11.760 --> 0:41:20.759 much more not constricted but controlled, and Justice of the 0:41:20.880 --> 0:41:24.040 peace the term is still used. In fact, our first 0:41:24.280 --> 0:41:30.560 Justice of the Peace in Australia was Governor Phillips, so 0:41:30.600 --> 0:41:35.279 we go that far and then he appointed people to 0:41:35.800 --> 0:41:41.160 assist with legal matters and that's really what we still do. 0:41:41.680 --> 0:41:47.040 We're not lawyers. We can't give legal advice. But if 0:41:47.080 --> 0:41:52.399 you need someone who is proven to be of good 0:41:52.520 --> 0:41:59.239 repute and to witness a document or certify that a 0:41:59.320 --> 0:42:03.560 document is a true copy of the original, for example 0:42:03.800 --> 0:42:10.200 booth steps and marriages certificates. It's often needed these days 0:42:10.239 --> 0:42:14.080 for people who are applying for jobs and they need 0:42:15.239 --> 0:42:22.560 certified copy to submit to the people that they're applying to. 0:42:24.680 --> 0:42:28.120 And you don't want to give original documents and they 0:42:28.160 --> 0:42:29.840 don't want to have to deal with it. 0:42:30.000 --> 0:42:33.160 No, obviously, No. I mean the reason we're speaking. I 0:42:33.160 --> 0:42:35.560 saw a story of the ABC based out of Victoria, 0:42:35.719 --> 0:42:37.319 and I know it's not a fact similar to what's 0:42:37.320 --> 0:42:39.680 happening in New South Wales necessarily, but I mean they're 0:42:39.960 --> 0:42:42.879 rapidly popular, growing population six and a half million people 0:42:42.920 --> 0:42:46.600 now in Victoria and there's less than three thousand, less 0:42:46.600 --> 0:42:49.200 than four thousand jps to service six and a half 0:42:49.280 --> 0:42:51.560 million people in Rising. It does seem the average age 0:42:51.560 --> 0:42:55.640 of the JP is increasing demographically. I guess something's going 0:42:55.719 --> 0:42:57.520 to have to be done to rectify that, because the 0:42:57.560 --> 0:42:58.960 JP's will be run off their feet. 0:43:00.080 --> 0:43:03.560 It's true, we're not is quite in that situation. In 0:43:03.640 --> 0:43:08.760 New South Wales we have at the moment a total 0:43:08.800 --> 0:43:16.160 of about sixty sixty four sixty five thousand jps. But 0:43:16.239 --> 0:43:20.480 we've got a bigger state population and we've got a 0:43:20.520 --> 0:43:25.120 bigger spread of countryside where those You know, if you're 0:43:25.239 --> 0:43:29.919 in Deniloquent and leader JP, it might be a lot 0:43:30.040 --> 0:43:37.160 harder than if you're in Bondi. But we are always 0:43:37.200 --> 0:43:41.640 looking for jps. I mean by the very nature of 0:43:41.719 --> 0:43:45.600 the job, and by law we are not allowed to 0:43:45.640 --> 0:43:50.719 be paid. So this is purely a voluntary job. And 0:43:50.760 --> 0:43:53.760 it is a job that, as you said, your father 0:43:54.239 --> 0:43:58.720 having been a school teacher, when he retired he became 0:43:58.800 --> 0:44:02.239 a JP. In fact, I was a pharmacist and when 0:44:02.239 --> 0:44:11.279 I retired I became a JP. So it's often a 0:44:11.320 --> 0:44:16.960 position that people take on in semi in retirement or 0:44:17.000 --> 0:44:21.600 semi retirement, and therefore your your life to continue to 0:44:21.680 --> 0:44:25.640 do that, your work is your you know the third 0:44:25.719 --> 0:44:32.200 age of working it is, you know, we can't keep 0:44:32.239 --> 0:44:36.120 going forever. It needs to continuing turnover of people. 0:44:36.200 --> 0:44:39.279 Really, it does just those listening that might be sort 0:44:39.320 --> 0:44:41.839 of saying, well, maybe I could do this, go through 0:44:41.880 --> 0:44:43.400 the process. How do they apply? 0:44:44.280 --> 0:44:45.320 It's very easy. 0:44:45.440 --> 0:44:50.640 In fact, most people these days have access to a 0:44:50.719 --> 0:44:55.640 computer or even you know as a computer in your phone. 0:44:55.800 --> 0:45:00.439 You're register with the Department of Communities and Justice an 0:45:00.480 --> 0:45:05.280 answer a lot of questions. It needs your state MP 0:45:05.520 --> 0:45:13.239 to support your application, but that's pretty much automatic. They 0:45:13.360 --> 0:45:17.160 will ask for permission to check out that you don't 0:45:17.200 --> 0:45:20.959 have the department that is that you don't have any 0:45:21.120 --> 0:45:28.600 criminal history, and you do this online test and that's 0:45:28.600 --> 0:45:32.000 an open book exam, so it's not really that challenging 0:45:32.520 --> 0:45:34.879 because if you don't know the answer, you can look 0:45:34.920 --> 0:45:35.239 it up. 0:45:35.520 --> 0:45:37.480 If only that were the case in the HS, life 0:45:37.480 --> 0:45:38.640 would win a lot easier for me. 0:45:40.640 --> 0:45:44.440 Well, that's what we would rather people got it right 0:45:44.680 --> 0:45:48.439 than get You do have to get one hundred percent right, 0:45:49.239 --> 0:45:51.600 but you do have a chance to look it up 0:45:51.719 --> 0:45:55.080 and take your time and think about it, because that's 0:45:55.120 --> 0:45:57.560 what we have to do when we're sitting on a 0:45:57.640 --> 0:46:01.359 JP desk or we have a client who was in 0:46:01.400 --> 0:46:04.520 front of us from what in one sense or another. 0:46:04.320 --> 0:46:07.200 And you would have access to those materials in those circumstances. 0:46:07.360 --> 0:46:10.200 I'm glad we spoke. We've clarified a few things there, Marylyn, 0:46:10.280 --> 0:46:12.080 and maybe, just maybe it's going to spur a few 0:46:12.120 --> 0:46:14.960 people into this form of service. Thank you for your time. 0:46:15.480 --> 0:46:17.919 Thank you, and I hope we do because it is 0:46:17.960 --> 0:46:21.120 a very rewarding thing to feel that you have helped 0:46:21.160 --> 0:46:25.239 someone in a time of well, I won't say crisis, 0:46:25.280 --> 0:46:26.560 but certainly tension. 0:46:26.960 --> 0:46:29.120 Indeed, wonderful to speak Merril Kane, as I said, the 0:46:29.200 --> 0:46:32.000 vice president of the New South Wales Justices Association, and 0:46:32.760 --> 0:46:35.600 an interesting insight there into the realm of the JP. 0:46:35.760 --> 0:46:38.600 It's twenty four past one, fingers crossed for the tech. 0:46:39.160 --> 0:46:41.400 It's twenty seven past one. Thank you for being with us. 0:46:41.400 --> 0:46:44.439 Don't forget drive with James Ward this week after the news. 0:46:44.480 --> 0:46:46.080 So if you've got a question about your motor vehicle 0:46:46.160 --> 0:46:48.120 one three, one eight seven three, particularly about one you 0:46:48.200 --> 0:46:50.200 might be considering buying, a lot of people do use 0:46:50.239 --> 0:46:52.680 the drive segment to sussep whether they should get the 0:46:52.719 --> 0:46:55.680 Iondai or the Mazda or whatever. It is, or maybe 0:46:55.719 --> 0:46:57.640 the thinking, well, I want to get a car for 0:46:57.680 --> 0:46:59.799 the young one, but not sure what the best one 0:46:59.840 --> 0:47:02.080 in this price bracket is. These are the sort of 0:47:02.120 --> 0:47:05.520 questions the drive boys are particularly well versed in answering. 0:47:05.560 --> 0:47:07.279 So if you've got a question down those paths or 0:47:07.320 --> 0:47:11.239 any other path really to do with motoring one three, one, eight, seven, three, 0:47:11.840 --> 0:47:14.360 and we'll be able to get that answered for you. 0:47:14.560 --> 0:47:17.360 I hope the team will look before we get to 0:47:17.719 --> 0:47:21.400 the news, though, what about this? I let me just 0:47:21.400 --> 0:47:23.839 have to die. I appreciate the NDIS is a very 0:47:23.960 --> 0:47:28.800 very important vehicle in the broader scheme of things, very important. 0:47:29.239 --> 0:47:32.399 The principle of it is right. The practice of it, though, 0:47:32.440 --> 0:47:37.800 I think, is sorely missing. I just struggle to believe, 0:47:38.640 --> 0:47:42.520 as the headlines say today that one in ten young 0:47:42.600 --> 0:47:50.240 children in Australia are using the NDIS. One in ten. Really, 0:47:51.360 --> 0:47:53.680 let me just think about that one in ten young 0:47:53.800 --> 0:47:58.239 children in Australia are now on the NDIS. Now, that 0:47:58.640 --> 0:48:01.719 statistic is in in some ways misleading because when you 0:48:01.800 --> 0:48:03.759 look at young boys and I'm just trying to find 0:48:03.760 --> 0:48:07.239 the exact figure here, it is well under fifteen's now 0:48:07.280 --> 0:48:12.560 make up seventy percent of the scheme's new participants, So 0:48:12.960 --> 0:48:16.560 seventy percent of the new participants filing into the ends 0:48:17.320 --> 0:48:24.680 fifteen years and younger. Fifteen percent of Australian six year 0:48:24.680 --> 0:48:30.960 old boys are on the ndis fifteen percent of boys 0:48:31.560 --> 0:48:37.600 six years old. How's that possible? And the reason I 0:48:37.640 --> 0:48:39.160 ask that is, I mean, well, you know what's going 0:48:39.239 --> 0:48:41.520 on a lot of the cases being put into it 0:48:41.600 --> 0:48:44.320 lately have been children with autism or diagnosed with I 0:48:44.360 --> 0:48:47.160 think as at stage two autism. I think that's the 0:48:47.200 --> 0:48:49.480 threshold you have to meet from memory. And there's some 0:48:49.560 --> 0:48:52.280 serious questions about whether some of these diagnoses are genuine 0:48:52.360 --> 0:48:56.080 or not. Not all, of course, but some, and that's 0:48:56.360 --> 0:48:58.360 worthy of discussion. But it does seem that one of 0:48:58.400 --> 0:48:59.880 the issues here is that a lot of people have 0:48:59.920 --> 0:49:03.640 been put into or onto the NDIS because there are 0:49:03.719 --> 0:49:11.839 not equivalent state based interventions that can be accessed. It's 0:49:11.880 --> 0:49:15.400 sort of NDS or bust, that seems to be the situation. 0:49:15.480 --> 0:49:17.080 So a lot of parents are saying, well, look, the 0:49:17.160 --> 0:49:19.719 child has to get on the NDS because if they don't, 0:49:19.760 --> 0:49:22.920 there's no support for whatever the condition happens to be. 0:49:22.960 --> 0:49:25.520 At any other level. Whatever support is there is just 0:49:25.719 --> 0:49:28.480 so mediocre you don't bother. That seems to be part 0:49:28.480 --> 0:49:32.200 of the issue. So look what's going on. I don't know, 0:49:32.080 --> 0:49:33.960 you know, the sort of people patting themselves on the 0:49:33.960 --> 0:49:35.879 back saying, oh, we've got the growth rate down. Yeah, 0:49:35.880 --> 0:49:40.480 well it's down to I think ten point six percent. Now, 0:49:41.200 --> 0:49:44.400 any government program growing it over three or four percent 0:49:44.440 --> 0:49:47.879 perandom is unsustainable. Ten point six percent, that's down from 0:49:47.920 --> 0:49:51.279 about thirteen. So, I mean they are there's a slight 0:49:51.280 --> 0:49:54.200 step in the right direction, but everywhere you look, I 0:49:54.400 --> 0:49:56.560 just I just don't understand how we've got to this 0:49:56.640 --> 0:50:00.320 point now. Surely, when the NDS was first in visged 0:50:00.400 --> 0:50:02.800 and sold to the public, I think it was Jenny 0:50:02.840 --> 0:50:05.799 Macklin and Julia Gillard and others, that Nicola Roxon might 0:50:05.800 --> 0:50:08.279 have been involved. I'm not anyway all of that. 0:50:08.360 --> 0:50:08.560 It was. 0:50:09.000 --> 0:50:13.320 It was that the most disabled would be given protection 0:50:13.520 --> 0:50:16.799 and care, and there was a sub narrative to it 0:50:16.840 --> 0:50:20.080 that if we could empower some of these people, we 0:50:20.080 --> 0:50:22.960 would lift national productivity because we would give them the 0:50:23.040 --> 0:50:25.480 right support that in some circumstances they could get into 0:50:25.520 --> 0:50:30.399 the workforce. Well, that doesn't seem to be happening, and 0:50:30.480 --> 0:50:35.799 I don't think anybody would have in any way envisaged 0:50:36.640 --> 0:50:38.560 that we now have. And I'm just trying to find 0:50:38.600 --> 0:50:41.840 the exact number here. It is seven hundred and seventeen 0:50:42.160 --> 0:50:47.279 thousand people according to the last quarter's numbers on the 0:50:47.400 --> 0:50:54.279 NDIS and growing seven hundred and seventeen thousand when the 0:50:54.320 --> 0:50:58.560 initial reports and Productivity Commission reviews and all of those 0:50:58.600 --> 0:51:03.000 forecasts that had thing like that. So we've just blown 0:51:03.080 --> 0:51:04.759 all of the initial estimates out of the water, and 0:51:04.800 --> 0:51:07.720 it's continuing to grow at a very unsustainable rate, although 0:51:07.920 --> 0:51:10.520 a tad slower than what I guess moment says the 0:51:10.560 --> 0:51:13.520 worst case scenario. No, I'm not saying people shouldn't be 0:51:13.520 --> 0:51:16.480 getting access, that they don't qualify, that they should be denied, 0:51:16.520 --> 0:51:19.400 none of that. But we seriously have to consider this. 0:51:19.440 --> 0:51:22.320 I mean, it is going to be unfundable going forward 0:51:22.920 --> 0:51:25.840 if we keep going at this rate. And I worry 0:51:25.920 --> 0:51:30.680 about so many young people, young boys, particularly being associated 0:51:30.760 --> 0:51:34.600 with the NDIS. I mean, are we sure, Are we 0:51:34.680 --> 0:51:37.440 certain that in the vast majority of cases they really 0:51:37.440 --> 0:51:42.480 should qualify, And if not, are we doing them a 0:51:42.520 --> 0:51:45.880 service or a disservice by gaining for their parents anyway 0:51:46.200 --> 0:51:49.960 access to some of the services available. I mean, these 0:51:49.960 --> 0:51:51.719 are questions, hard questions, but they do have to be 0:51:51.800 --> 0:51:54.080 discussed and debated in this country. I think one three, 0:51:54.160 --> 0:51:59.560 one eight seven three. All right, let's go to the 0:51:59.560 --> 0:52:01.280 news room. I think we've got all the tech. Kremlin 0:52:01.360 --> 0:52:03.359 sworded which helps Aeron Margot. 0:52:03.040 --> 0:52:06.160 After that, good afternoon. Michael nine news correspondent Lauren Tomasi 0:52:06.239 --> 0:52:08.239 says she's fine after being shot in the lab with 0:52:08.320 --> 0:52:11.200 a rubber bullet while covering the riots in Los Angeles, 0:52:11.239 --> 0:52:13.920 where there's been a third day of protests. There are 0:52:13.960 --> 0:52:16.760 real concerns for a whale which is heading south instead 0:52:16.800 --> 0:52:19.479 of north. It's become entangled in twenty meters of rope, 0:52:19.480 --> 0:52:22.439 and a boy expert say it's in distress and needs 0:52:22.440 --> 0:52:25.440 to be cut free. Israeli forces have boarded and stopped 0:52:25.440 --> 0:52:28.799 at gas Abound AID boat carrying Greta Tumberg and other activists. 0:52:29.200 --> 0:52:31.719 They say those on board will be provided with sandwiches 0:52:31.719 --> 0:52:34.440 and water, then return to their home countries. And a 0:52:34.520 --> 0:52:36.840 runaway pet zebra, which has been on the loose for 0:52:36.920 --> 0:52:38.719 more than a week in the US, has been found 0:52:38.760 --> 0:52:42.520 and captured. Ed had to be airlifted to safety in Sport. 0:52:42.600 --> 0:52:44.719 The bulldogs are looking to return to the top of 0:52:44.719 --> 0:52:46.480 the inner A ladder when they take on the Eels 0:52:46.480 --> 0:52:49.480 in front of seventy thousand fans this afternoon. Young Gunlucky 0:52:49.560 --> 0:52:52.120 Galvin could make his deboo after a messy exit from 0:52:52.120 --> 0:52:55.000 the Tigers. He's been named on the interchange bench. And 0:52:55.040 --> 0:52:58.840 there'll be more news at two o'clock on afternoons. 0:52:59.000 --> 0:53:01.680 Oh where they're up date, we'll be here to help 0:53:01.719 --> 0:53:05.760 in unexpected weather. Nrimain Insurance a help company. 0:53:05.960 --> 0:53:08.360 Well, they are forecasting a possible shower today top of 0:53:08.440 --> 0:53:10.960 just fifteen in the city. The medium chance of showers 0:53:11.000 --> 0:53:13.640 most likely from the late morning now. I don't think 0:53:13.640 --> 0:53:16.720 we've seen them, not in this part of Sydney anyway, 0:53:17.000 --> 0:53:18.719 so if they are coming, they're still on the way. 0:53:19.040 --> 0:53:22.240 Penrith should be largely dry, but a top of fifteen 0:53:22.640 --> 0:53:24.799 Liverpool and Terry Hills might have a couple of drops. 0:53:24.840 --> 0:53:26.720 Terry Hills just a top of thirteen today it's pretty 0:53:26.719 --> 0:53:32.000 could Bondai fifteen, Campbelltown, Paramatta fourteen, Richmond fifteen Tomorrow sunny 0:53:32.000 --> 0:53:33.960 in eighteen. That's a bit of a change, isn't it, 0:53:34.120 --> 0:53:36.640 and then mostly sunny for Wednesday. A top of eighteen 0:53:36.800 --> 0:53:39.160 for the city Candra today, good to have you with 0:53:39.239 --> 0:53:42.160 two double c shower or two top of eleven Tugnong's 0:53:42.200 --> 0:53:46.000 the same morning frost and a partly cloudy fourteen on Tuesday. 0:53:46.239 --> 0:53:49.279 Wednesday somewhere between minus one and positive thirteen depending on 0:53:49.280 --> 0:53:53.560 the sundial morning frost and then partly cloudy Lithgo well 0:53:53.600 --> 0:53:57.440 a max of just six Today. Showers or snow at times, 0:53:57.560 --> 0:53:59.640 and you don't see the snow symbol too often, but 0:53:59.680 --> 0:54:02.439 there is orange. Will see some snow on a top 0:54:02.480 --> 0:54:06.279 of just five mudgie more likely I think rain or 0:54:06.440 --> 0:54:08.239 that it's very hard to do. That could be little 0:54:08.239 --> 0:54:12.000 snowflakes top of nine bathist eight, So I said, Lythgo six, 0:54:12.160 --> 0:54:18.080 Katombus seven, Springwood thirteen cloudy and top of nine on 0:54:18.680 --> 0:54:22.759 Tuesday for Lyfthgo very similar story. On Wednesday. You might 0:54:22.800 --> 0:54:25.360 be listening in some areas that get a little dusting 0:54:25.400 --> 0:54:27.000 of the white stuff. You can give us a call 0:54:27.040 --> 0:54:29.239 and let us know how beautiful. I think really have 0:54:29.320 --> 0:54:32.279 said this before, but it's true. There are lots of 0:54:32.320 --> 0:54:35.440 places around the world to get snow. Yeah, the Alps 0:54:35.440 --> 0:54:37.640 in these sort of areas in Europe, and they've got 0:54:37.680 --> 0:54:39.880 the pine trees and it all looks very pretty and nice. 0:54:40.000 --> 0:54:43.320 But when the white stuff falls on the Australian native bush, 0:54:43.800 --> 0:54:47.480 I think it's particularly beautiful. There's just something about the 0:54:47.480 --> 0:54:51.279 eucalypse and those native shrubs and the rocky outcrops and 0:54:51.280 --> 0:54:53.839 whatever that's sort of endemic to Australia. And then having 0:54:53.840 --> 0:54:58.120 a dusting of snow that maybe because it's so rare 0:54:58.160 --> 0:55:02.200 and unexpected, I don't know, but particularly I think appealing 0:55:02.280 --> 0:55:05.520 and aesthetic about that. Anyway, enough of my musings will 0:55:05.520 --> 0:55:07.239 take a break when we come back. Let's get in 0:55:07.239 --> 0:55:08.920 the motor vehicle and we'll talk Drive. 0:55:11.560 --> 0:55:13.160 Now on afternoons. 0:55:13.239 --> 0:55:16.920 Drive all right, let's catch up with James Ward, who's 0:55:17.360 --> 0:55:20.640 powering away on a public holiday Monday from drive dot com. 0:55:20.640 --> 0:55:22.520 Dot you you're a trooper? Gooday, James? 0:55:22.600 --> 0:55:23.279 Good hey mate? 0:55:23.280 --> 0:55:23.759 How are you? 0:55:23.880 --> 0:55:25.440 I'm all right? I mean to the irony is a 0:55:25.480 --> 0:55:27.080 lot of people have the day off, but the roads 0:55:27.120 --> 0:55:29.560 in some cases have never been busy because everyone's coming 0:55:29.600 --> 0:55:31.520 back into the town after being away for a few 0:55:31.600 --> 0:55:33.120 nights or whatever. It is a lot of people will 0:55:33.160 --> 0:55:35.120 be listening to us in the car note out seeing 0:55:35.120 --> 0:55:38.560 a sea of red tail lights. That'll be experienced in 0:55:38.560 --> 0:55:41.760 many many places now the saxicalls coming through, I wanted 0:55:41.760 --> 0:55:44.360 to raise with you. I saw a Genesis on the 0:55:44.440 --> 0:55:47.600 road the other day, four wheel drive as sorts, very 0:55:47.719 --> 0:55:50.120 very sixy looking rear, if I can put it that way. 0:55:50.400 --> 0:55:53.359 Yeah, they are looking a good looking rooster as they say, 0:55:53.360 --> 0:55:55.440 the Genesis this is and for people who don't know, 0:55:55.480 --> 0:55:59.799 this Islexus, the Lexus of Hyundai. So where Toyota has 0:55:59.880 --> 0:56:03.439 Lexus as a premium brand, Hyundai has Genesis and yeah 0:56:03.480 --> 0:56:07.040 they are they're pretty funky and inside that that design 0:56:07.200 --> 0:56:10.520 really continues, so definitely a special car. We get a 0:56:10.560 --> 0:56:13.040 lot of people thinking it's an Aston Martin or a 0:56:13.080 --> 0:56:16.120 Bentley because of some of the signage. 0:56:15.680 --> 0:56:18.520 And things, which is not a bad way to be confused. 0:56:18.600 --> 0:56:20.840 They wouldn't have been copying, would they. 0:56:21.360 --> 0:56:23.880 Well, look, you know, if you've got to if you've 0:56:23.880 --> 0:56:27.200 got to design influenced by something, why not why not 0:56:27.239 --> 0:56:27.879 start at the top. 0:56:27.960 --> 0:56:30.560 Yeah, quite, that's it, I think. So now car brands left, 0:56:30.640 --> 0:56:33.560 right and center are dropping offerings from their lineup. So 0:56:33.560 --> 0:56:34.520 what's happening with Mini? 0:56:35.000 --> 0:56:35.239 Yeah? 0:56:35.360 --> 0:56:38.880 So look it's it's something very traditional Mini, the the 0:56:38.920 --> 0:56:42.920 well the English now German sports car, well sporting little 0:56:42.960 --> 0:56:45.400 little Hatch is losing its manual transmission. 0:56:45.520 --> 0:56:46.720 It's something that we've found. 0:56:46.840 --> 0:56:50.440 When the BMW owned Mini, the New Mini was first launched, 0:56:50.480 --> 0:56:53.040 it was only available with a manual. But now they've 0:56:53.080 --> 0:56:56.120 been gradually removing them from various options. It used to 0:56:56.120 --> 0:56:58.640 be just the s, then just the John Cooper Works versions. 0:56:58.760 --> 0:57:01.640 Now none of them get it because no one's ordering them. 0:57:01.640 --> 0:57:03.680 For a start, you've got a whole new generation of 0:57:03.760 --> 0:57:06.040 drivers who don't know how to drive a manual for 0:57:06.120 --> 0:57:09.600 a second thing, but also a manual is not as 0:57:09.640 --> 0:57:11.640 efficient as an automatic. 0:57:11.719 --> 0:57:13.360 It's not as fast as an automatic. 0:57:13.800 --> 0:57:16.760 And you've got some pretty clever gearboxes that BMW Mini 0:57:16.880 --> 0:57:18.000 are putting in these cars. 0:57:18.240 --> 0:57:19.720 They can be quite fun to drive. 0:57:20.520 --> 0:57:24.320 Sadly, the manuals just not worth investing in and continuing 0:57:24.360 --> 0:57:25.840 on with, so they're going to drop the manual. 0:57:26.240 --> 0:57:28.880 Okay, here's a question for you. Why when you go 0:57:28.960 --> 0:57:31.440 to Europe and you hire a car as I do 0:57:31.520 --> 0:57:33.440 every time because I like driving around and going to 0:57:33.440 --> 0:57:36.200 the little town something. Why are the automatics always more 0:57:36.240 --> 0:57:38.800 expensive to higher than the manuals? Is just because manuals 0:57:38.800 --> 0:57:40.480 still dominate in Europe? Or what's the story? 0:57:40.560 --> 0:57:42.800 No, Well, it's kind of a look. 0:57:42.840 --> 0:57:44.600 It used to be that way that you would a 0:57:44.600 --> 0:57:47.520 manual would be a cheaper car, and thus, you know, 0:57:47.560 --> 0:57:50.360 to get the automatic would be you'd be renting. 0:57:50.040 --> 0:57:50.880 A more expensive car. 0:57:51.240 --> 0:57:53.280 That's not the case these days, so it's kind of 0:57:53.280 --> 0:57:57.720 an old higher car trope, like you'll pay more for that, 0:57:57.920 --> 0:58:01.000 so you know, mister Hurts has to keep keep food 0:58:01.040 --> 0:58:03.360 on the table. But it used to be one of 0:58:03.360 --> 0:58:05.920 these things that my young daughter's learning to drive, and 0:58:05.960 --> 0:58:08.160 she said, she doesn't want to learn to drive a manual, 0:58:08.200 --> 0:58:09.760 And I said, but what if you travel to Europe 0:58:09.800 --> 0:58:13.080 to rent a car, they're all manual over there, hot tip, 0:58:13.160 --> 0:58:17.040 They're not. They're mostly automatic. And that's that's kind of 0:58:17.040 --> 0:58:20.240 the state of the world. So manual will start to 0:58:20.280 --> 0:58:23.040 be enthusiast. Only we know Porsche or persisting with it. 0:58:23.080 --> 0:58:26.720 We know some parts of BMW they're trying to but 0:58:26.800 --> 0:58:28.920 for the most part it will be phased out. 0:58:29.160 --> 0:58:32.440 Okay, I know nothing about what happens under bonnets and whatever. 0:58:32.800 --> 0:58:35.480 Is there a challenge with an electric vehicle and a 0:58:35.520 --> 0:58:37.280 manual gearbox? 0:58:37.800 --> 0:58:41.040 Yes, because you're not really changing gears with an electric car, 0:58:41.080 --> 0:58:43.720 because it's not really a gearbox you've got like the 0:58:43.800 --> 0:58:48.480 electric motor, and you've got a drive unit that's basically 0:58:48.680 --> 0:58:53.240 simulating gears and simulating the way that that feels. But 0:58:53.280 --> 0:58:58.960 it's essentially throttling the electric motor through just power delivery 0:58:59.040 --> 0:58:59.960 rather than even gearing. 0:59:00.480 --> 0:59:02.400 Okay, I was onto something there. 0:59:03.680 --> 0:59:06.760 It was it's like the idea of you know, charging 0:59:06.800 --> 0:59:08.640 for emails rather than you know, well, if you've got 0:59:08.640 --> 0:59:10.720 to put a postage stamp on regular mail, surely we 0:59:10.760 --> 0:59:13.040 could put a stamp on emails. That's where we are 0:59:13.120 --> 0:59:15.800 with with manuals and electric cars. 0:59:15.800 --> 0:59:17.120 It just it just won't. 0:59:17.160 --> 0:59:20.240 It doesn't doesn't match, and sadly it will start to 0:59:20.240 --> 0:59:20.680 phase out. 0:59:20.720 --> 0:59:22.480 All right, calls Phil's been waiting. 0:59:22.520 --> 0:59:27.280 High Phil, Good Lauria'm a good afternoon, gentlemen. Just speaking 0:59:27.280 --> 0:59:29.560 about manual and automatic. There was a piece shop that 0:59:29.680 --> 0:59:32.080 got raided. They stole the owner's keys and raced out. 0:59:32.160 --> 0:59:35.720 So I got in his car, a manual couldn't drive it. 0:59:36.560 --> 0:59:38.760 Well, we do say this if you if you want 0:59:38.760 --> 0:59:40.320 to protect your car, the best way to do it 0:59:40.320 --> 0:59:43.240 from from miscreant youth is to have a manual transmission, 0:59:43.240 --> 0:59:44.240 because none of them know how to drive. 0:59:44.280 --> 0:59:46.400 It's a question. 0:59:47.240 --> 0:59:49.600 I've got a mits to Mitchie Bajero, which is five 0:59:49.680 --> 0:59:52.480 years old. I looked at other cars and I really 0:59:52.520 --> 0:59:54.560 hate all this automatic stuff. I hate tact that you 0:59:54.600 --> 0:59:56.640 haven't got a key. I hate the fact that it 0:59:56.680 --> 0:59:57.040 tells you. 0:59:57.040 --> 0:59:57.520 How to drive. 0:59:57.560 --> 0:59:59.120 I hate the fact that it tries to push you 0:59:59.160 --> 1:00:02.480 into lanes. There's just really annoying. The cars are made 1:00:02.520 --> 1:00:04.760 for people who can't drive. I'm just wondering, is it 1:00:04.800 --> 1:00:10.920 worthwhile getting the timing chain redone and completely drive the car, 1:00:11.640 --> 1:00:13.840 or is it worthwhile getting rid of it and getting 1:00:13.880 --> 1:00:14.600 something I don't like? 1:00:15.040 --> 1:00:18.240 Look, honestly, because it's you behind the wheel, I would 1:00:18.280 --> 1:00:22.000 invest in getting the Pagero's engine rebuilt and give it 1:00:22.040 --> 1:00:24.720 another quarter of a million kilometers on that. There are 1:00:24.760 --> 1:00:28.160 a great car, the Pagero's. They're very capable. Because you've 1:00:28.200 --> 1:00:30.560 got all the things you like in that car, You're 1:00:30.640 --> 1:00:32.720 just not going to get it in anything else. The 1:00:33.920 --> 1:00:36.840 most old school new car you can buy these days 1:00:36.920 --> 1:00:39.840 is either a seventy series Toyota land Cruiser or the 1:00:39.880 --> 1:00:43.280 Innios Grenadier, and one of them is basically a look 1:00:43.320 --> 1:00:46.479 it's a nineteen eighties relic that's kind of. 1:00:46.520 --> 1:00:48.840 Masquerading is a bit of an icon. 1:00:48.960 --> 1:00:51.960 Some people love them, but they're pretty rudimentary, And the 1:00:52.000 --> 1:00:55.040 Granadier is a pretty expensive proposition. It's like a flashy 1:00:55.080 --> 1:00:58.640 pair of gun but it's very cool, but it's probably 1:00:58.640 --> 1:01:01.080 not at the right end. I would reinvest in the 1:01:01.080 --> 1:01:03.840 Pagero and have the car you love, because, yeah, driver 1:01:03.920 --> 1:01:06.800 assistance and modern technology is just everywhere. 1:01:06.800 --> 1:01:09.280 Now, all right, good on your feel From Phil to John. 1:01:09.320 --> 1:01:12.120 Hello John, Oh yeah, good mate. 1:01:12.160 --> 1:01:15.320 I'm ringing up about two cars. The Toyota G four. 1:01:16.360 --> 1:01:17.720 What do you think of a mate? 1:01:19.280 --> 1:01:22.840 The G four, which I. 1:01:22.800 --> 1:01:25.720 Think it's the g it's sixty thousand. The Toyota is 1:01:25.760 --> 1:01:26.919 a sporty looking thing. 1:01:27.200 --> 1:01:28.600 Oh, the GR the GR. 1:01:28.720 --> 1:01:31.240 So you've got a GR Yarrisson, You've got a GR Corolla. 1:01:31.360 --> 1:01:31.680 Yeah. 1:01:31.720 --> 1:01:36.560 So the GR stands for Gazoo Racing, which is Toyota's 1:01:37.160 --> 1:01:39.440 performance arm. And you can get a sporty Corolla, which 1:01:39.600 --> 1:01:42.400 feels like an oxymoron, and you can get a sporty Yarras. 1:01:42.480 --> 1:01:46.400 They are both an absolute hoot, really good fun kind 1:01:46.440 --> 1:01:48.160 of the things to drive. It kind of like a 1:01:48.200 --> 1:01:51.240 Golf GTI but a Toyota. It's still very Toyota at 1:01:51.280 --> 1:01:55.080 the base level. But that GR Corolla particularly Yeah, it's 1:01:55.120 --> 1:01:57.439 a load of fun. And if that's what you're after, 1:01:57.480 --> 1:01:59.720 you get Toyota reliability with a big smile on your face. 1:01:59.720 --> 1:02:00.720 So that's nice blend. 1:02:00.880 --> 1:02:03.680 Nice. Okay, Well, I'm john SONIL. Good afternoon Sonil. 1:02:04.720 --> 1:02:08.120 Yeah, Hi, thanks for taking like auto. I've got a 1:02:08.280 --> 1:02:10.640 Tona Highlander twenty model. 1:02:10.840 --> 1:02:11.040 Yep. 1:02:11.120 --> 1:02:15.280 I was looking at the Cherry twenty twenty four. Should 1:02:15.320 --> 1:02:18.120 I flop it or should I just stick with the Highlander? 1:02:18.640 --> 1:02:22.000 Look, the Cherries are actually a pretty impressive value proposition. 1:02:22.040 --> 1:02:24.320 You've got, I think the basic one, the Tigo four 1:02:24.400 --> 1:02:26.960 starts at like twenty four thousand dollars, so you get 1:02:26.960 --> 1:02:28.440 a lot of car for your money with the Cherry. 1:02:28.720 --> 1:02:31.160 The other one to look at might be Cherry's fancy brand. 1:02:31.160 --> 1:02:32.800 Like at the top of the show we talked about 1:02:32.800 --> 1:02:37.240 Genesis being the premium brand of Herendai, if it's even possible, 1:02:37.280 --> 1:02:39.919 there is a premium brand of Cherry called Jaku, which 1:02:40.240 --> 1:02:42.200 again still very value oriented. 1:02:42.440 --> 1:02:44.400 Quite a nice little car, and I just drove. 1:02:44.240 --> 1:02:46.920 The They've got a plug in hybrid that can do 1:02:47.600 --> 1:02:49.800 over one thousand k so I did about eleven hundred 1:02:49.840 --> 1:02:52.760 k's on a tank driving from Melbourne to Sydney, so 1:02:53.200 --> 1:02:56.200 really effortless efficiency and it allows you to drive fully 1:02:56.240 --> 1:02:58.560 electric if you really want to. But you've got that 1:02:58.720 --> 1:03:01.320 range capability in that car with petrol engine, So maybe 1:03:01.360 --> 1:03:04.120 look at that as something a bit interesting. Because the 1:03:04.200 --> 1:03:06.640 Highland is a nice spec car. You're getting a lot 1:03:06.640 --> 1:03:08.880 of equipment with it. Maybe look at the Jacu as 1:03:08.880 --> 1:03:10.480 well as the as the Cherry. 1:03:10.280 --> 1:03:12.480 Got on you. So, Neil, good question. Paul on the 1:03:12.520 --> 1:03:15.120 Tech says he's got a Pajero, got six hundred thousand 1:03:15.200 --> 1:03:16.440 out of it before a rebuild. 1:03:16.680 --> 1:03:18.760 This is it, like you know, they don't make them 1:03:18.800 --> 1:03:21.280 what they used to. So I really think to reinvest 1:03:21.360 --> 1:03:23.720 into the PADJ to get it. If it's going to 1:03:23.720 --> 1:03:25.880 be a couple of grand to get that engine rebuilt 1:03:25.920 --> 1:03:28.960 to give it some more life and it does everything 1:03:29.000 --> 1:03:31.720 you want, that's probably not a bad not a bad 1:03:31.720 --> 1:03:32.160 way to go. 1:03:32.360 --> 1:03:35.760 All right now, Charlie, you haven't seen the name Datson 1:03:35.800 --> 1:03:41.200 for a while. Hello, Charlie Good. Yeah, what's the question? 1:03:41.680 --> 1:03:43.480 Misson Z three hundred? 1:03:43.920 --> 1:03:45.280 Yes, sports car to. 1:03:45.040 --> 1:03:49.960 So good fun and you've got so you've got there's 1:03:50.000 --> 1:03:52.200 now the four hundred, so it's just called the Nissan Z. 1:03:52.680 --> 1:03:54.760 Then previously there was a three point fifty, then a 1:03:54.800 --> 1:03:56.840 three seventy because it was going with a three point 1:03:56.880 --> 1:03:57.919 five and a three point seven. 1:03:58.840 --> 1:04:01.600 They're really good fun. The new one, the four hundred, 1:04:01.960 --> 1:04:02.840 It really. 1:04:02.600 --> 1:04:05.480 Is a cool looking car, lots of fun to drive, 1:04:05.560 --> 1:04:07.120 a little bit old school in the way that it 1:04:07.160 --> 1:04:09.760 feels so, and I think Niss and there were always 1:04:09.760 --> 1:04:11.360 pretty keen to do a good deal on one of those. 1:04:11.440 --> 1:04:14.200 So yeah, a really really cool looking, head turning, fun 1:04:14.200 --> 1:04:16.120 car to drive, and you get a ten year warranting, 1:04:16.160 --> 1:04:17.280 which is not a bad thing. 1:04:17.480 --> 1:04:19.240 I got on you, Charlie. Up here it said dats 1:04:19.320 --> 1:04:21.200 in three oh seven Z so is that is that 1:04:21.280 --> 1:04:22.320 the same thing as well? 1:04:22.400 --> 1:04:25.320 Datson Datson was obviously niss and before this and became 1:04:25.400 --> 1:04:27.000 this and that was the previous brand, and they had 1:04:27.040 --> 1:04:28.919 the member they launched I think with the two six 1:04:29.240 --> 1:04:31.520 two forty, then the two sixty. Yes, then there was 1:04:31.520 --> 1:04:33.560 a two to eighty z X. Then there were a 1:04:33.600 --> 1:04:37.040 couple of three hundred zx's with the target top roof 1:04:37.280 --> 1:04:40.240 and all that kind of stuff. But the modern ones, yeah, 1:04:40.320 --> 1:04:42.520 launched as the three point fifty was the first modern 1:04:42.640 --> 1:04:46.120 Z car improved in the three seventy, but now it 1:04:46.200 --> 1:04:47.880 is a four hundred, but it's just called the this 1:04:48.080 --> 1:04:48.320 and Z. 1:04:48.800 --> 1:04:50.920 There you go. Okay, thank you, Charlie. Now hang on 1:04:50.960 --> 1:04:53.400 there for a moment. James Texas coming in here from 1:04:53.440 --> 1:04:56.080 Michelle says, currently standing still on the N one traffic 1:04:56.080 --> 1:04:59.440 heading southbound, just after Pete's rejects it. Where texting is? There? 1:04:59.480 --> 1:05:03.280 Really isn't much else to do there, haven't we? Just? 1:05:03.720 --> 1:05:05.560 It's ten to two more after this. A man in 1:05:05.640 --> 1:05:08.120 high demand is mister James Ward from drive dot com 1:05:08.160 --> 1:05:09.760 Dot you a few more minutes here, Let's get through 1:05:09.760 --> 1:05:12.920 as many as we can. Chris, what's your question for James? 1:05:14.400 --> 1:05:14.560 Hi? 1:05:14.640 --> 1:05:18.800 There, Hi, I've got an eighties the very last of 1:05:18.840 --> 1:05:22.040 the eighty series land Cruises. Yes, and it has a 1:05:22.360 --> 1:05:26.400 beautiful it's just incredible and it's also been adjusted a 1:05:26.560 --> 1:05:31.720 lot for super climbing stuff. But it's got a petrol engine. 1:05:31.840 --> 1:05:35.760 The petrol engine is beautiful, but it uses petrol. Yeah, 1:05:35.880 --> 1:05:37.960 I'm wondering is it possible to change that to a 1:05:38.000 --> 1:05:40.560 diesel or have you got to change the automatic transmission 1:05:40.680 --> 1:05:41.120 as well? 1:05:42.120 --> 1:05:44.840 Look, the engine swaps on the land Cruises pretty much. 1:05:44.840 --> 1:05:47.400 If you can think of an option, somebody has already 1:05:47.440 --> 1:05:47.760 done it. 1:05:48.480 --> 1:05:49.080 So have a look. 1:05:49.080 --> 1:05:51.240 Online to see some of the land cruiser owner groups 1:05:51.280 --> 1:05:56.000 to see where it is swapping the petrol to the diesel. Yeah, look, 1:05:56.280 --> 1:05:59.680 I'm sure there will be plenty of specialist workshops who 1:05:59.720 --> 1:06:02.120 have done this before and we'll basically be able to 1:06:02.160 --> 1:06:05.880 do that relatively easy for you. So you do have 1:06:05.880 --> 1:06:07.800 a look online and see. But I don't know if 1:06:07.800 --> 1:06:10.600 you need to change the transmission as well, but that's 1:06:10.680 --> 1:06:13.520 kind of getting down a very technical rabbit hole on 1:06:13.560 --> 1:06:17.040 a specific level. But being a land cruiser, there will 1:06:17.080 --> 1:06:19.560 be someone, So maybe check out some online whether their 1:06:19.560 --> 1:06:22.360 Facebook groups are online clubs, to see if any land 1:06:22.360 --> 1:06:24.120 cruise or owners have been down this path before. 1:06:24.560 --> 1:06:27.760 Okay, there you go, Chris. Now you've come across a 1:06:27.760 --> 1:06:30.960 little story here that in Mexico the police over there 1:06:31.000 --> 1:06:33.200 are now changing what the entire fleet is it to 1:06:33.240 --> 1:06:34.720 the BYD Shark six. 1:06:35.200 --> 1:06:38.200 Yes, so yeah, we're seeing a lot of the BYD 1:06:38.320 --> 1:06:41.520 Shark on the road here. Now this is the plug 1:06:41.520 --> 1:06:43.160 in hybrid use so it was the first plug in 1:06:43.240 --> 1:06:45.600 hybrid to launch. We've now got a I think there's 1:06:45.640 --> 1:06:47.880 a GWM Canon Alpha that's to plug in. But the 1:06:47.920 --> 1:06:50.120 Shark is is kind of cool, but it is actually. 1:06:49.880 --> 1:06:50.680 Built in Mexico. 1:06:50.800 --> 1:06:53.760 So this is a local car for them, and they've 1:06:53.800 --> 1:06:56.600 moved it to their police fleet. And look, if you 1:06:56.680 --> 1:07:00.880 watch the news or any number of Hollywood movies, you 1:07:00.920 --> 1:07:02.480 see the poor old Mexican blize. 1:07:02.160 --> 1:07:04.080 Get a pretty. 1:07:03.960 --> 1:07:06.320 Tough time over there. So what you see them is 1:07:06.320 --> 1:07:09.000 they ride around in the back of these things holding 1:07:09.040 --> 1:07:09.720 onto roll bars. 1:07:09.920 --> 1:07:11.040 And in the story. 1:07:10.760 --> 1:07:14.720 We've got some photos of the Mexican speck sharks there. 1:07:14.760 --> 1:07:19.920 But yeah, look, it's interesting to move to the smaller 1:07:19.960 --> 1:07:22.320 Shark when you consider most of the American pickups that 1:07:22.360 --> 1:07:24.160 they would be using, a Ford F Series or the 1:07:24.240 --> 1:07:25.080 Chevy Silverado. 1:07:25.120 --> 1:07:26.200 They're a bigger vehicle. 1:07:26.640 --> 1:07:29.040 So the Shark is a bit smaller, but it's pretty 1:07:29.200 --> 1:07:31.560 pretty powerful. We know it's over three hundred killoots when 1:07:31.560 --> 1:07:34.880 you're getting the power delivery from the electric and petrol 1:07:34.920 --> 1:07:37.720 engine at the same time. It's quite an interesting one, 1:07:37.720 --> 1:07:40.520 but a very handy contract for bid to have won 1:07:40.560 --> 1:07:43.000 there in the US too, well in Mexico. Sorry to 1:07:43.040 --> 1:07:47.000 see that. Yeah, the Shark on the road policing the nation. 1:07:47.440 --> 1:07:49.200 Indeed, all right, well, they'll have their work cut out 1:07:49.240 --> 1:07:51.760 for them. James, great to speak. Thank you for fronting 1:07:51.800 --> 1:07:54.000 up on the public holiday, and we'll speak again very shortly. 1:07:54.040 --> 1:07:55.520 Always a pleasure to talk scene all the best. 1:07:55.560 --> 1:07:56.880 James Warred there from Drive. 1:07:58.040 --> 1:08:05.720 Now onto gb Network stations. Back to afternoons with Michael McLaren. 1:08:06.720 --> 1:08:08.800 Well, thank you. Into the third hour we go, Jee, 1:08:08.800 --> 1:08:12.000 it's gone fast already today, so much feedback. I thought 1:08:12.280 --> 1:08:15.160 public Holiday Monday, it's cold, it'd be really quiet and 1:08:15.200 --> 1:08:17.280 we just sort of plod along and get through. But 1:08:17.320 --> 1:08:19.600 it's been incredibly busy. We'll keep it going for the 1:08:19.600 --> 1:08:21.720 next fifty or say minutes one, three, one, eight seven three. 1:08:21.760 --> 1:08:24.280 I'll catch up with Mark Leevy shortly. Mark just never stops, 1:08:24.360 --> 1:08:27.120 is the energizer Bunny. He'll be out at the Olympic Stadium, 1:08:27.120 --> 1:08:30.519 big football match this afternoon, and there will be a 1:08:30.560 --> 1:08:33.040 bit of traffic chaos, i'd imagine come six or seven 1:08:33.080 --> 1:08:35.240 o'clock there as people leave because others will be coming 1:08:35.240 --> 1:08:38.400 in for this Katie Perry concert, so it'll be be 1:08:38.439 --> 1:08:40.080 a nice place to avoid if you don't have to 1:08:40.120 --> 1:08:42.559 be there, I suppose later in the day I will 1:08:42.600 --> 1:08:45.200 also catch up with one of our latest recipients of 1:08:45.240 --> 1:08:48.800 the Order of Australia, Roger Franz and extraordinary human being. 1:08:49.000 --> 1:08:52.000 You probably haven't heard the name. But that's why these awards, 1:08:52.000 --> 1:08:54.600 the King's Birthday honors are important because, as said at 1:08:54.600 --> 1:08:56.200 the top of the show, you can elevate people that 1:08:56.240 --> 1:08:58.960 don't have the platform but have done incredible work in 1:08:59.000 --> 1:09:02.200 whatever field is their chosen field of expertise, and where 1:09:02.200 --> 1:09:04.040 we can learn about them, we can learn about why 1:09:04.479 --> 1:09:07.879 what they do is important for the economy, for the country. 1:09:08.600 --> 1:09:10.880 And the work that Roger has done in space and 1:09:10.920 --> 1:09:14.439 in engineering is vital and it's not just sort of 1:09:14.600 --> 1:09:19.240 esoterical theoretical. We are using all of these things that 1:09:19.280 --> 1:09:22.280 he has worked on in applications in our everyday life. 1:09:22.320 --> 1:09:25.360 They're tangible. We may not appreciate it or understand it, 1:09:25.360 --> 1:09:27.320 but Roger will explain some of that for us. Look 1:09:27.360 --> 1:09:28.920 for to speaking with him. I'm told he's a real 1:09:29.000 --> 1:09:31.760 gentleman later in the hour, So stay with us. Track 1:09:31.800 --> 1:09:34.280 of the day. Everything else coming up as well. One three, one, eight, 1:09:34.360 --> 1:09:36.439 seven three. As I said, we've got a few more 1:09:36.520 --> 1:09:40.719 updates about Greta and friends on this boat heading to Israel. 1:09:40.760 --> 1:09:43.439 They've been intercepted them in given sandwiches or something like that. 1:09:43.439 --> 1:09:45.640 They'll be sent on their way. They won't make it, 1:09:46.600 --> 1:09:50.920 but the Swedish climate campaigner and a bunch of others 1:09:50.960 --> 1:09:56.160 on this vessel have also before they are turned around, 1:09:56.280 --> 1:09:59.200 I believe will also be shown a forty five minute 1:09:59.280 --> 1:10:04.040 video of the October seven massacre. Once they arrive at 1:10:04.040 --> 1:10:06.680 the port of ash Dodd. The Australian will, via the 1:10:06.720 --> 1:10:11.360 AFP reporting of the Israeli Defense Minister Israel Katz has 1:10:11.439 --> 1:10:13.960 told the military which is towing the vessel they're on 1:10:14.000 --> 1:10:19.559 the mad Leen to Israel, to screen this so I'll 1:10:19.600 --> 1:10:21.800 get a bit of a different perspective, perhaps about the 1:10:21.840 --> 1:10:24.960 whole situation from October seven, twenty twenty three. Now, I 1:10:24.960 --> 1:10:27.840 don't pretend that that is an isolated incident. This is 1:10:27.880 --> 1:10:31.960 an ongoing geopolitical situation in that part of the world 1:10:31.960 --> 1:10:34.800 that goes right back to the foundation of the state 1:10:34.840 --> 1:10:37.920 of Israel. But there are some people, because perhaps they 1:10:37.960 --> 1:10:42.439 want to ignorantly be blind to the whole story, are 1:10:42.560 --> 1:10:46.240 just looking at tiny little slithers of that narrative, of 1:10:46.280 --> 1:10:49.600 that historical narrative, and selecting which ones they want to 1:10:49.640 --> 1:10:53.400 read and learn about and which ones they want to ignore. Now, 1:10:53.479 --> 1:10:57.120 I mean Greta's sort of pivoted here from Darling of 1:10:57.160 --> 1:11:01.200 the Climate Cause to the darling of the gars Are cause, 1:11:01.360 --> 1:11:04.000 as it were. But you know, whether anybody on the 1:11:04.000 --> 1:11:08.719 ground in Gaza knows that she's coming is anybody's guess. 1:11:09.640 --> 1:11:12.320 And of course she won't make it, nor will the 1:11:12.360 --> 1:11:14.479 supplies that were on the boat. I think they left 1:11:14.479 --> 1:11:16.760 Sicily on Friday from memory and the you know, they 1:11:16.760 --> 1:11:19.360 were heading eastern. They've been intercepted and the rest of it. 1:11:19.439 --> 1:11:22.040 So that'll be the end of that story for now. 1:11:23.040 --> 1:11:25.040 But you know, there's a part of me that the 1:11:25.080 --> 1:11:26.920 cynical part that says, you know, how much of this 1:11:26.960 --> 1:11:30.080 is actually about the activists as opposed to the cause. 1:11:30.880 --> 1:11:33.519 You know, is there not more than just a whiff 1:11:33.520 --> 1:11:36.400 of narcissism about the way they do these things? Okay, 1:11:36.400 --> 1:11:39.080 they drum up attention, and that's what they want. They 1:11:39.080 --> 1:11:41.320 want the state of Israel to look horrible. You know, 1:11:41.479 --> 1:11:45.120 they're denying these people food and medicine and oh here 1:11:45.160 --> 1:11:48.960 we are riding in to help people. And okay, but 1:11:49.360 --> 1:11:53.160 the way you deal with these complicated situations, if you 1:11:53.280 --> 1:11:55.800 have some clout, and Greta for good or for bad, 1:11:55.840 --> 1:11:59.240 has clout at the United Nations and the diplomatic level, 1:11:59.520 --> 1:12:01.559 the way you deal with these things isn't to hop 1:12:01.600 --> 1:12:05.160 on a boat and sail east and sort of wave 1:12:05.200 --> 1:12:09.160 your arms around as the cameras come within shot. The 1:12:09.200 --> 1:12:11.080 way to do it is behind the scenes, diplomatically. You 1:12:11.160 --> 1:12:14.519 do it quietly and you work to get the end 1:12:14.600 --> 1:12:19.799 result that you apparently desire. So obviously that's not worked, 1:12:20.840 --> 1:12:23.479 and Grea will be heading back to Sweden at some 1:12:23.640 --> 1:12:28.439 point now just on the climate issue, not trying to 1:12:28.479 --> 1:12:31.760 pivot deliberately here, but as way of a segue, there's 1:12:31.760 --> 1:12:34.719 a fascinating piece by Nick Toscano and The Herald. Now 1:12:34.760 --> 1:12:37.800 many people probably haven't seen it, but it is a 1:12:37.800 --> 1:12:41.439 bit of a wake up call in the realism that 1:12:41.600 --> 1:12:48.680 is required with this transition as we verbert to renewable energy. Now, Australia, 1:12:48.680 --> 1:12:50.200 as I keep saying, is trying to do what no 1:12:50.360 --> 1:12:54.320 other continent is attempting to do. Power the entire joint 1:12:54.800 --> 1:12:59.880 on solar and wind with some bactory backup and hydro, 1:13:00.120 --> 1:13:02.920 but we have limited hydro capacity because of our topography. 1:13:03.800 --> 1:13:06.439 Gas will be in the mix as the savior. But 1:13:06.520 --> 1:13:08.519 of course you've got a lot of state jurisdictions that 1:13:08.560 --> 1:13:12.760 are trying to stop gas extraction, and so whether it's 1:13:12.800 --> 1:13:17.000 going to be available and the volumes required is anybody's guess. 1:13:17.080 --> 1:13:19.479 I mean, at the moment, I doubt SOUL is producing 1:13:19.479 --> 1:13:23.120 too much across part of Greater Sydney. For example, the 1:13:23.120 --> 1:13:25.920 wind turbines with the snowy conditions, I'm not sure what 1:13:26.040 --> 1:13:30.000 they're doing. So you've got to have a reliable backup now. 1:13:30.479 --> 1:13:33.760 As Nick Toscano reports, this isn't used to some of 1:13:33.800 --> 1:13:36.640 the big energy users. We're used to talk about aluminium 1:13:36.680 --> 1:13:39.920 smelters near Tomicgo in these sort of places, blue Scope Steel. 1:13:40.200 --> 1:13:42.880 They remain big users. But for the economy that is coming, 1:13:43.240 --> 1:13:46.080 it will be the data centers that are the hungry 1:13:46.120 --> 1:13:51.080 beasts on the energy Pie and microstoft, Google, Amazon. They 1:13:51.320 --> 1:13:56.160 understand this because they are the users. Now, as He's writes, 1:13:56.960 --> 1:14:00.040 these three big players are urging the Albanezy government to 1:14:00.080 --> 1:14:04.120 beat up the delivery of energy storage projects that can 1:14:04.240 --> 1:14:08.559 guarantee around the clock power for the data centers. Now 1:14:08.680 --> 1:14:11.479 they've had to do this because the coalition were trounced 1:14:12.120 --> 1:14:14.639 and so nuclear isn't going to be part of the mix, 1:14:14.720 --> 1:14:17.400 at least for the next three years, if ever. So 1:14:17.600 --> 1:14:19.599 a boom in the number of these data centers right 1:14:19.640 --> 1:14:21.720 around the world but it's happening here. Certainly a lot 1:14:21.720 --> 1:14:24.200 out at mcquarie Park, and there's a few starting to 1:14:24.200 --> 1:14:27.880 pop up I think around Gore Hill. These loom as 1:14:27.960 --> 1:14:31.000 one of the next tests for Australia's shift from coal 1:14:31.040 --> 1:14:35.600 to renewables, because renewables aren't reliable, and that is the 1:14:35.680 --> 1:14:38.320 data centers require huge amounts of power to run and 1:14:38.360 --> 1:14:41.360 to keep cool, meaning there's extra strain on the grid. 1:14:41.400 --> 1:14:43.600 You know, forget all these electric vehicles are going to 1:14:43.600 --> 1:14:46.080 have to be charged. These things, as I said, are 1:14:46.120 --> 1:14:49.960 going to be very thirsty for juice. Twenty four seven. Now, Microsoft, 1:14:50.040 --> 1:14:52.639 Google and Amazon are among a group of industrial power 1:14:52.720 --> 1:14:55.720 users and clean energy developers stepping up their calls to 1:14:55.760 --> 1:15:00.799 the federal government for not just an ambitious renew wall target, 1:15:00.800 --> 1:15:02.320 you know, eighty two percent of the grid and they 1:15:02.320 --> 1:15:05.560 support all that sort of stuff, but one that simultaneously 1:15:05.640 --> 1:15:11.160 fast tracks projects with the capacity to store surplus power 1:15:11.600 --> 1:15:14.760 from the growing number of solar panels of wind turbines 1:15:15.200 --> 1:15:18.760 to cover the gaps when it's not sunny or windy. Now, 1:15:18.800 --> 1:15:21.360 if they can achieve that, it'll be in everyone's best 1:15:21.360 --> 1:15:25.200 interests because the same deficits that threaten the data centers 1:15:25.560 --> 1:15:28.680 threaten us in the broader economy when we go to 1:15:28.720 --> 1:15:31.639 turn on the lights. Now they've apparently written a letter 1:15:31.680 --> 1:15:34.080 to the Energy Minister, Chris Bowen. I hope it was 1:15:34.120 --> 1:15:37.479 all very simple English and the international group known as 1:15:37.520 --> 1:15:41.200 the Long Duration Energy Storage Council, it is warning that 1:15:41.240 --> 1:15:43.400 a renewable grid is quite only as strong as its 1:15:43.400 --> 1:15:47.559 ability to deliver power when and where it's needed. That's 1:15:47.560 --> 1:15:52.560 a convoluted way of saying reliability is key. Now Microsoft 1:15:52.840 --> 1:15:55.360 and other technology companies in the United States, and you've 1:15:55.360 --> 1:15:59.360 probably heard about this, are increasingly turning to nuclear power. 1:16:00.200 --> 1:16:02.639 And they're doing that so that they can meet their 1:16:02.720 --> 1:16:08.080 dual objectives simultaneously. One to have net zero electricity, but 1:16:08.400 --> 1:16:12.240 two to make sure that twenty four to seven electricity 1:16:13.000 --> 1:16:18.479 is available. Now nuclear can do that, renewables can't on 1:16:18.520 --> 1:16:23.760 their own. They need secondary technologies and Facebook and Instagram's 1:16:23.800 --> 1:16:26.880 parent company, that's Meta. Last week, it says here assigned 1:16:26.880 --> 1:16:29.720 a twenty year deal to secure a nuclear power to 1:16:29.800 --> 1:16:33.000 help meet surging demand for AI and to United Nations 1:16:33.040 --> 1:16:36.160 report out. Just in fact, last Thursday, set electricity consumption 1:16:36.240 --> 1:16:39.120 by data centers increased twelve percent and has done each 1:16:39.200 --> 1:16:42.960 year twelve percent from twenty seventy to twenty twenty three, 1:16:43.360 --> 1:16:49.439 four times faster than the generic global electricity growth. So 1:16:49.920 --> 1:16:51.960 now I guess you'd say, dear, I say, using the pun, 1:16:51.960 --> 1:16:54.840 they're at the coal face, these people minus the coal, 1:16:55.520 --> 1:16:57.840 and they are saying, you know, it's all well good 1:16:57.880 --> 1:16:59.720 to have these renewable targets, folks, but you've got to 1:16:59.720 --> 1:17:02.040 be able to back it up with a reliability capacity. 1:17:03.439 --> 1:17:06.000 I keep saying nuclear could have done it, but the 1:17:06.000 --> 1:17:08.960 Australian public have decided that's not going to be part 1:17:09.000 --> 1:17:10.559 of the mix, certainly for the next three years. I 1:17:10.600 --> 1:17:13.559 suspect it's gone and done and dusted for a while. 1:17:13.600 --> 1:17:16.280 I wouldn't rule it out long term, but I think 1:17:16.360 --> 1:17:20.600 for quite a while nuclears finished, and we're going to 1:17:20.680 --> 1:17:24.000 have to invest heavily in battery storage and other forms 1:17:24.040 --> 1:17:28.000 of storage to ensure that the unreliables can be more reliable, 1:17:28.760 --> 1:17:30.800 not just for the status quo for energy use, but 1:17:30.840 --> 1:17:34.519 the increasing demand on the grid when the data centers 1:17:35.640 --> 1:17:42.200 proliferate and the electric vehicles proliferate and greater demand is realized. 1:17:43.360 --> 1:17:45.479 I just hope all of those well paid bureaucrats are 1:17:45.479 --> 1:17:50.280 across the brief because if they ate, we're in some strife. 1:17:51.120 --> 1:17:53.160 We'll catch up with Mark Levy shortly out at the 1:17:53.160 --> 1:17:55.800 Olympic Stadium big footy match coming up. When we wrap 1:17:55.920 --> 1:17:57.960 up here one three, one eight seven three, A lot 1:17:57.960 --> 1:17:59.680 of text message is still coming through about all the 1:17:59.720 --> 1:18:02.720 different issues we've discussed so far. Greg makes the point 1:18:02.720 --> 1:18:05.000 that why do we have to invest in order that 1:18:05.080 --> 1:18:08.360 Microsoft and Meta have a reliable power supplied. They've got 1:18:08.360 --> 1:18:11.920 revenues rivaling the GDP of most countries. Let them research 1:18:12.000 --> 1:18:15.800 and buy their own batteries and if they can't do it, well, 1:18:15.840 --> 1:18:18.120 then they can, as Greek says bugger Off. Okay, well, 1:18:18.160 --> 1:18:20.120 look I have some sympathy with that, but I guess 1:18:20.320 --> 1:18:23.920 the point they're making is if Australia doesn't have nuclear 1:18:23.960 --> 1:18:27.000 power as part of its legal energy mix, then we're 1:18:27.000 --> 1:18:28.960 going to have to come up with alternatives, not just 1:18:29.200 --> 1:18:32.360 indeed for the demands of the economy of the future, 1:18:32.400 --> 1:18:35.400 which they have a significant stake in, granted, but for 1:18:35.439 --> 1:18:38.600 everybody's sake. And so I guess Gregor, I appreciate the 1:18:38.600 --> 1:18:41.040 point you raised, and I understand and I sympathize with 1:18:41.080 --> 1:18:44.639 that sentiment, but really they are sounding a warning here 1:18:44.640 --> 1:18:46.320 that I think we will all benefit from if we 1:18:46.320 --> 1:18:49.480 can come to some sort of resolution. Back to the JPS, 1:18:49.720 --> 1:18:53.760 Michael says, everyone's using the plural JPS, but surely it 1:18:53.800 --> 1:18:59.080 should be j's P as Injustices of the Peace singular. 1:19:00.120 --> 1:19:05.600 I think that's right, but j's P sort of you 1:19:05.680 --> 1:19:08.280 might get the wrong impression and people say, who's Jay 1:19:08.360 --> 1:19:10.640 and what's wrong with him? You know? So anyway, I 1:19:10.880 --> 1:19:13.960 take your point, Thank you, Michael. Back to the NDS. 1:19:14.280 --> 1:19:16.280 Note here from someone says, my ten year old son 1:19:16.320 --> 1:19:20.000 has dyslexia. He's struggling really badly, but the school recognizes 1:19:20.000 --> 1:19:22.800 this and we're spending six thousand dollars a year to 1:19:22.840 --> 1:19:26.280 get out of school education help. We've been advised to 1:19:26.400 --> 1:19:29.640 find a doctor who'll diagnose him with autism, which he 1:19:29.680 --> 1:19:33.280 doesn't have, because without that he'll never get even basic 1:19:33.320 --> 1:19:35.800 help at school. This is the problem, and this is 1:19:35.800 --> 1:19:39.599 why the NDS is growing like topsy, because there is 1:19:39.680 --> 1:19:42.519 this going on to get in and get you get 1:19:42.520 --> 1:19:46.280 the income from the NDIS, you get the autism stage 1:19:46.320 --> 1:19:49.400 two diagnosis, and you're in without it, you struggle and 1:19:49.439 --> 1:19:51.080 you've got to find the money yourself, and a lot 1:19:51.080 --> 1:19:53.760 of people can't, Simon. I appreciate that. I thank you 1:19:53.880 --> 1:19:56.920 very much. One three one eight seven three. 1:19:57.680 --> 1:19:59.520 It's that time of the afternoon. 1:20:00.120 --> 1:20:02.840 To find out what's coming up on Sydney Now for 1:20:02.920 --> 1:20:07.200 the Serrato successor, the turbo charged Kia K four. Kia's 1:20:07.240 --> 1:20:11.040 on new small sedan GT line veryant available. Now find 1:20:11.080 --> 1:20:13.400 out more about Kia's latest small car. 1:20:14.520 --> 1:20:17.280 Well, you would have heard him between nine and twelve, 1:20:17.320 --> 1:20:19.960 and he's backing up the Great Mark Levy. He's made 1:20:19.960 --> 1:20:22.559 his way from Piermont out to the big Olympic Stadium. 1:20:22.600 --> 1:20:25.240 There's a big atmosphere there. They're expecting a big crowd, 1:20:25.320 --> 1:20:26.080 dogs and eels. 1:20:26.080 --> 1:20:29.200 Hello Mark, Hello, Yes, Michael, it's been such a while 1:20:29.200 --> 1:20:34.240 since we last spoke, but I said earlier that I'm 1:20:34.280 --> 1:20:38.519 really looking forward to this. So we've got people up 1:20:38.520 --> 1:20:41.880 on the extreme top deck of the grandstand, which usually 1:20:41.880 --> 1:20:44.599 indicates we've got a crowd of about sixty seventy thousand, 1:20:44.720 --> 1:20:47.439 so from all reports, we will be pushing that seventy 1:20:47.520 --> 1:20:51.599 thousand mark. I'm reliably told that outside the stadium, the precinct, 1:20:51.640 --> 1:20:55.600 the hive of activity, bulldogs supporters walking across from Paramatta 1:20:55.680 --> 1:20:57.800 Road as well. So we're going to have a great 1:20:57.840 --> 1:21:01.920 atmosphere for a clash between two Western Sydney rivals, Paramatta 1:21:02.040 --> 1:21:04.599 and Canterbury. I'm just looking at the Bulldogs down out there. 1:21:05.080 --> 1:21:07.639 They've just arrived, they've wandered out onto the field. Lucky 1:21:07.680 --> 1:21:10.280 Galvin's had a couple of photos and he's gonna make 1:21:10.360 --> 1:21:11.200 his club debut. 1:21:11.280 --> 1:21:13.320 And don't talk about it around the bench. Don't talk 1:21:13.320 --> 1:21:16.240 about Locklan Galvin please. Well you know what it is, 1:21:16.280 --> 1:21:16.680 what it is. 1:21:16.720 --> 1:21:18.720 It's done now, so I'm just glad we don't have 1:21:18.760 --> 1:21:20.880 to talk about it anymore. Look for his sake, I 1:21:21.040 --> 1:21:23.719 just abe he plays well. You know, all the noise 1:21:23.760 --> 1:21:26.519 disappears when you play good football. And all he needs 1:21:26.520 --> 1:21:28.839 to worry about now is training hard, playing good football. 1:21:28.840 --> 1:21:32.120 And I'll get his opportunity to do that today. And obviously, 1:21:32.160 --> 1:21:35.360 with a few Origin teammates in that Bulldog side, the 1:21:35.479 --> 1:21:37.960 Paramatta Eels have a couple of Origin players in there 1:21:38.000 --> 1:21:41.000 as well, I think we're in for a quality game 1:21:41.040 --> 1:21:44.360 of football. There is an issue, though, Michael. I've shouted 1:21:44.680 --> 1:21:46.479 some coffees for the boys, just to give us a 1:21:46.479 --> 1:21:49.439 little pickup for today, and I thought I saw some 1:21:49.520 --> 1:21:52.599 maltesers sitting on the shelf. So I've bought a box 1:21:52.600 --> 1:21:58.080 of Maltesers for the team. How much, Let's just say, 1:21:58.840 --> 1:22:02.720 in excess of nine dollars. It says king Share on 1:22:02.760 --> 1:22:05.240 the box. But it's a sixty grand box of Maltesers. 1:22:05.240 --> 1:22:08.840 There's about twenty Malteesers in it. So I'm outraged to. 1:22:11.520 --> 1:22:13.760 Did you get any said Malteesers or they all been 1:22:13.800 --> 1:22:14.320 hoovering up. 1:22:14.720 --> 1:22:16.680 Well, Piggy gave me back the box and there was 1:22:16.680 --> 1:22:18.519 one left in it, and he said, oh, well, you 1:22:18.680 --> 1:22:20.200 ate the ball. I said no, I didn't, and Darryl 1:22:20.280 --> 1:22:20.800 chimed him with it. 1:22:20.880 --> 1:22:25.800 I've had ten. Anyway, you got another problem when you 1:22:25.840 --> 1:22:27.840 try to leave. I think the Katy Perry fans are 1:22:27.880 --> 1:22:29.240 turning up for the concert. 1:22:29.600 --> 1:22:32.000 Well, Piggy just told me that. He said, Cady Perry's 1:22:32.040 --> 1:22:34.120 on next door, and I said, well, let's do an 1:22:34.160 --> 1:22:36.200 all night at Piggy. We'll go next door and dance 1:22:36.200 --> 1:22:37.200 away with Katy Perry. 1:22:37.200 --> 1:22:37.719 What do you reckon? 1:22:37.920 --> 1:22:39.200 He's probably already got tickets. 1:22:39.360 --> 1:22:42.360 He me, what else does she sing? 1:22:42.400 --> 1:22:42.679 Michael? 1:22:42.760 --> 1:22:44.599 She'd be on your playlist as you would. That's something 1:22:44.640 --> 1:22:47.200 about a plastic bag or were they sing something about 1:22:47.200 --> 1:22:51.439 a plastic bag and a wind or something. A plastic bag. 1:22:51.760 --> 1:22:55.880 Well maybe you're a firework or something, isn't it that's 1:22:55.920 --> 1:22:57.759 there too, wouldn't have plassy bag any. 1:22:57.640 --> 1:22:59.839 Well, I've heard I've heard that about your zoo champion. 1:23:00.080 --> 1:23:02.880 Yeah, thanks, make yes, Well, there might be a few 1:23:02.920 --> 1:23:05.599 five works in the car. He's an idea. Why don't 1:23:05.640 --> 1:23:08.320 you get Katie Perry before? She'll be there warming up 1:23:08.320 --> 1:23:10.760 as professionals do. Why don't you get her in for 1:23:10.840 --> 1:23:13.000 the final ten minutes of the match. Get her in 1:23:13.040 --> 1:23:15.240 the box she can call the final ten minutes with you. 1:23:15.680 --> 1:23:18.120 Well, I've actually just had an email from Kayperry at 1:23:18.200 --> 1:23:21.200 gmail dot com boys looking forward to your call this afternoon. 1:23:21.240 --> 1:23:22.880 So she'll be listening on the way out here to 1:23:22.920 --> 1:23:24.719 the what do they call it next door the Superdome, 1:23:24.760 --> 1:23:27.400 Kidos Bank Arena something, So she'll be tuned in for 1:23:27.439 --> 1:23:29.120 the last ten minutes of the footy before she gets 1:23:29.120 --> 1:23:31.320 into makeup and gets an outfit on and all that 1:23:31.320 --> 1:23:33.559 sort of thing and starts building away her tunes off, 1:23:33.600 --> 1:23:35.760 which we know none. 1:23:35.160 --> 1:23:39.360 Big fans, well big fan of yours. Big game coming up? 1:23:39.560 --> 1:23:40.519 Who's going to prevail? 1:23:41.720 --> 1:23:44.960 Look, you've got to tip the bulldogs but I don't 1:23:45.000 --> 1:23:47.679 think it's as clear cut as some people are making 1:23:47.720 --> 1:23:50.120 out the Paramatteriels are certainly a team on the improve 1:23:50.200 --> 1:23:53.320 and you look at the likes of Bitual Moses and 1:23:53.640 --> 1:23:56.240 even Zach Lomax who have played Origin football, and you 1:23:56.280 --> 1:23:59.120 know they've grown with that experience. So look last week 1:23:59.320 --> 1:24:01.559 at eighteen ten lost to the Panthers and the Battle 1:24:01.560 --> 1:24:03.000 of the West. They'll be better for that and they 1:24:03.000 --> 1:24:05.719 were certainly in the contest. So I think the Eels 1:24:05.720 --> 1:24:07.559 are going to be competitive, but I think Canna reill win. 1:24:07.640 --> 1:24:10.240 All right, great, look forward to the call. Thank you, Mark, you, 1:24:10.320 --> 1:24:12.400 Margot all the best, Mark leave you. Then the continuous 1:24:12.439 --> 1:24:15.559 Call team they'll be following straight after me. Know Sydney. 1:24:15.600 --> 1:24:17.400 Now we've got the big football match and that's what's 1:24:17.400 --> 1:24:19.720 happening in Sydney this afternoon, so it's appropriate there on 1:24:19.960 --> 1:24:22.760 the Eels and the Dogs and Lockey. Galvin making his 1:24:23.439 --> 1:24:25.200 debut and the Blue and White. I wish him luck. 1:24:25.200 --> 1:24:26.840 I mean he's made his decision. Good luck to him 1:24:26.840 --> 1:24:29.880 and I hope it works out for him. Now before 1:24:29.880 --> 1:24:31.880 we get the news, of course, Coco Goff had a 1:24:31.880 --> 1:24:34.479 reasonable French open, didn't she. But it was a bit 1:24:34.520 --> 1:24:39.839 of an awkward first round for miss Goff. She forgot 1:24:40.240 --> 1:24:42.160 I think what some would say is a kind of 1:24:42.920 --> 1:24:45.559 critical piece of kit if you're going to go and 1:24:45.600 --> 1:24:49.839 be playing a professional tennis match, that is, her rackets 1:24:50.720 --> 1:24:55.240 turned up to the match without tennis rackets. Now, of course, 1:24:55.280 --> 1:24:57.840 you know, being a superstar in the world of tennis, 1:24:57.880 --> 1:24:59.760 they found replacements in a way they go. But I 1:24:59.800 --> 1:25:01.960 thought i'd ask you this afternoon one three, one eight 1:25:02.040 --> 1:25:05.760 seven three, where have you gone and forgot something kind 1:25:05.760 --> 1:25:09.360 of crucial? You gone to a birthday party and left 1:25:09.400 --> 1:25:12.320 the present behind? Have you I don't know, maybe a 1:25:12.320 --> 1:25:14.640 photographer or something, and you had the duties to do 1:25:14.680 --> 1:25:16.800 a wedding and you turned up to someone's very special 1:25:16.880 --> 1:25:19.160 day and you left the camera at home, or I mean, 1:25:19.160 --> 1:25:21.280 what was it. You might have been at a piano 1:25:21.400 --> 1:25:23.800 recital and you know, you're not like one of those 1:25:23.800 --> 1:25:26.120 superstars that you know, can do it all off the 1:25:26.120 --> 1:25:27.559 top of their head. You kind of need the music, 1:25:27.600 --> 1:25:29.400 the sheet music, and you left it, I don't know, 1:25:29.439 --> 1:25:33.280 on the kitchen table or whatever it was. I'd imagine 1:25:33.920 --> 1:25:36.080 I'm speaking on behalf of a few people here. If 1:25:36.120 --> 1:25:38.000 I suggested you might have been one of the gentlemen 1:25:38.320 --> 1:25:41.320 who was nominated as the best man and left the 1:25:41.400 --> 1:25:45.000 rings at home. I think there was a few movies 1:25:45.040 --> 1:25:47.759 where certain things were exchange for weddings at a funeral 1:25:47.760 --> 1:25:50.479 comes to mind. I think they had a situation like that, 1:25:50.600 --> 1:25:54.400 didn't they. One three one eight seven three. So you've 1:25:54.439 --> 1:25:56.600 sort of you know, I don't know. I went to 1:25:56.640 --> 1:25:58.800 the shops and forgot the list, and don't worry about that. 1:25:59.520 --> 1:26:02.559 But yes, it's something that is kind of key, something 1:26:02.800 --> 1:26:06.200 kind of important, and you had a big role. You had, 1:26:06.240 --> 1:26:08.200 you know, one job to do, as they say, and 1:26:08.240 --> 1:26:11.840 you're stuffed. If you've got a story, I wouldn't mind 1:26:11.880 --> 1:26:14.719 hearing it. One three one eight seven three. I will 1:26:14.760 --> 1:26:18.559 confess because my wife will remind me if she happens 1:26:18.560 --> 1:26:20.720 to be listening. And I don't mention this that when 1:26:20.800 --> 1:26:23.839 we first went to Europe together, meet the in laws 1:26:23.840 --> 1:26:27.559 and something future in laws as it were. Part of 1:26:27.560 --> 1:26:28.960 the itinery was we were going to have a bit 1:26:29.000 --> 1:26:32.479 of a trip through Italy. So okay, got there. My 1:26:32.520 --> 1:26:35.960 wife's the organized one, being dramatic. I sort of yeah, Australian, 1:26:36.200 --> 1:26:37.880 it'll all be okay. So we turn up to the 1:26:37.920 --> 1:26:41.120 airport in Germany, and we're flying down to Naples I 1:26:41.200 --> 1:26:43.479 think it was, and we get there early in the morning, 1:26:43.479 --> 1:26:46.880 it's one of those early flights, and we hop out 1:26:46.920 --> 1:26:48.599 of the taxi who managed to do about one hundred 1:26:48.600 --> 1:26:50.640 and ninety three thousand kilometers down the auto barn got 1:26:50.720 --> 1:26:53.960 us in four minutes or something and said, okay, we've 1:26:53.960 --> 1:26:56.400 got everything, got bags, you've got that, and she said 1:26:56.400 --> 1:26:58.519 you got your passport and then no, you packed that, 1:26:58.560 --> 1:27:03.639 didn't you. No, okay, so we got on the flight, 1:27:04.080 --> 1:27:07.360 but it was thanks to a very enterprising taxi driver 1:27:07.439 --> 1:27:11.559 who did incredible things to and from the house so 1:27:11.600 --> 1:27:13.720 she could go back pick up my passport. And you 1:27:13.880 --> 1:27:17.760 need your passport on airport and I forgot that one. 1:27:17.880 --> 1:27:20.800 So my logic was, oh, well it's an inter European flight, 1:27:20.840 --> 1:27:25.960 it's domestic sengen right. No, that was a bit of 1:27:25.960 --> 1:27:28.160 the Australian mindset that went awry. Anyway, So you might 1:27:28.200 --> 1:27:30.320 have a suggestion or you might remember something nobe wasn't 1:27:30.320 --> 1:27:32.439 you. You might have been your husband or your wife they 1:27:32.560 --> 1:27:36.639 kind of or mate forgot something kind of important. One three, one, 1:27:36.800 --> 1:27:40.040 eight seven three will fight out those embarrassing stories after 1:27:40.080 --> 1:27:48.920 this person who has never forgotten anything is the wonderful 1:27:49.000 --> 1:27:50.040 erin ma Erin Good. 1:27:49.920 --> 1:27:53.040 Afternoon, Good afternoon. Definitely haven't forgotten these headlines. The Los 1:27:53.080 --> 1:27:56.519 Angeles mayor is accusing the US President of provoking riots 1:27:56.520 --> 1:27:59.000 by sending in the National Guard. It's the first time 1:27:59.080 --> 1:28:02.280 that's happened without straight request since Alabama in the Civil 1:28:02.360 --> 1:28:04.720 rights movement. The National guarda hasn't yet come face to 1:28:04.720 --> 1:28:08.360 face with protesters. HSBC is being sued over its failure 1:28:08.400 --> 1:28:12.280 to detect and respond to a scam involving criminals impersonating 1:28:12.360 --> 1:28:15.799 banking staff. The state government is allocating more than thirty 1:28:15.800 --> 1:28:18.320 million dollars in the next budget to provide better support 1:28:18.320 --> 1:28:21.439 for those sleeping rough and Network ten has acted ACXD 1:28:21.520 --> 1:28:24.519 its long running current affairs show. The project to be 1:28:24.600 --> 1:28:28.000 replaced with a new news and current affairs program. In Sport, 1:28:28.040 --> 1:28:30.320 Australia has been knocked off the top of the Sale 1:28:30.400 --> 1:28:33.880 Grand Prix championship standings. The Flying Rus crossing the line 1:28:33.920 --> 1:28:36.519 at the New York event in fifth, slipping at a 1:28:36.560 --> 1:28:39.120 second on the ladder behind Spain. And there'll be more 1:28:39.160 --> 1:28:42.200 news at three o'clock on afternoons. 1:28:42.439 --> 1:28:46.360 A finance update for Pretzel Wealth and finance for Trusted 1:28:46.400 --> 1:28:47.360 financial planning. 1:28:47.560 --> 1:28:49.560 Just Google, Blake went to pretzel. 1:28:50.000 --> 1:28:52.960 Okay, Monday, public holidays, so the markets aren't doing too 1:28:53.040 --> 1:28:55.160 much with the dollars still trades and around the world 1:28:55.160 --> 1:28:57.760 things still happens. Scott Phillips from the moltifoolfull dot com 1:28:57.800 --> 1:29:00.320 dot years across at all for U Scott, Good afternoon. 1:29:00.400 --> 1:29:02.440 Michael got Arpens on this topic, Holiday Monday. 1:29:02.320 --> 1:29:05.320 Indeed, buy now, pay later, The laws about all of 1:29:05.320 --> 1:29:07.280 that they're going to change from tomorrow, are they? 1:29:08.000 --> 1:29:08.240 Yeah? 1:29:08.400 --> 1:29:11.439 Just about well and truly over due to the idea 1:29:11.520 --> 1:29:14.360 basically in the past was buy now, pay later exploited 1:29:14.400 --> 1:29:18.120 a very specific legal loophole, completely legal, So to be 1:29:18.160 --> 1:29:20.600 really clear, I'm not justting anything un toward effectively for 1:29:20.680 --> 1:29:22.519 what had happened in the past. No one believed you 1:29:22.520 --> 1:29:24.760 could get a credit product that didn't charge interest right 1:29:25.160 --> 1:29:27.799 yet alone you take a credit card out, it charges interest. 1:29:28.000 --> 1:29:31.400 So the law defined credit as something you paid interest on. 1:29:31.800 --> 1:29:34.240 And a lot comes buying our pay later after pay 1:29:34.280 --> 1:29:36.080 and Zip and all those guys, and they said, well, 1:29:36.080 --> 1:29:38.639 we're not credit because we're not charging you interest. Now 1:29:38.840 --> 1:29:40.599 the rest of us No, that's obviously not the case, 1:29:40.640 --> 1:29:43.000 but legally they were one hundred percent right. And what 1:29:43.040 --> 1:29:45.439 that meant was the rules that apply to credit cards, 1:29:45.479 --> 1:29:48.519 personal loans, payday lenders, all that sort of stuff. So 1:29:48.680 --> 1:29:52.080 they didn't apply to buy now, pay later. Governments and 1:29:52.080 --> 1:29:53.920 regulators might have taken way too long. This has been 1:29:53.960 --> 1:29:55.759 an issue for thirty four or five years, I think, 1:29:56.120 --> 1:29:58.719 and they've dragged their heels as parliamentary inquiries and regulator 1:29:58.760 --> 1:30:00.599 looked at it. The government FI I only got around 1:30:00.600 --> 1:30:02.439 to passing some new laws not that long ago. And 1:30:02.439 --> 1:30:05.320 as you say, they start at start this week. Effectively, 1:30:05.400 --> 1:30:07.960 now buy now, pay later companies are going to have 1:30:08.040 --> 1:30:10.879 to treat you as the credit card company would. Effectively, 1:30:10.880 --> 1:30:13.160 it's not exactly the same. They're calling it regulation light, 1:30:13.640 --> 1:30:17.120 not exactly the same. But for example, enough to pay again, 1:30:17.160 --> 1:30:19.400 just as an example, not do anything wrong. But they 1:30:19.400 --> 1:30:21.360 didn't have to find out whether I had other debts, 1:30:21.479 --> 1:30:22.840 how likely I was to be able to pay that 1:30:22.880 --> 1:30:24.640 debt back, or I had to do with say I 1:30:24.680 --> 1:30:26.720 applied for it, but they reckon I should get it. Yeah, okay, 1:30:26.760 --> 1:30:28.120 that'll do. They can give me the they can give 1:30:28.120 --> 1:30:30.200 me the credit I'm off. I can go and put 1:30:30.200 --> 1:30:32.560 as much as I want on buying now, pay later, programs. 1:30:32.640 --> 1:30:34.439 I have multiple ones. I got credit cards, I got 1:30:34.439 --> 1:30:36.920 a personal loans. They didn't know there was no requirement 1:30:37.000 --> 1:30:39.960 for them to assess my ability to repay. Now some 1:30:40.080 --> 1:30:43.280 did voluntarily to different degrees, but that wasn't in place. 1:30:43.360 --> 1:30:45.840 So from tomorrow, essentially what's going to have to happen 1:30:45.840 --> 1:30:47.960 is if you want a buy and now pay Ladder account, 1:30:48.120 --> 1:30:50.120 you have to submit your usual information you would if 1:30:50.160 --> 1:30:52.240 you were taking out any other type of loan, and 1:30:52.280 --> 1:30:55.000 the company's obliged to make sure you can actually repay 1:30:55.000 --> 1:30:57.160 that debt. Doesn't sound like an hing reasonable thing. You 1:30:57.160 --> 1:30:58.800 feel they should have been doing it anyway, But that's 1:30:58.920 --> 1:31:01.240 going to be the change. What it probably means is 1:31:01.280 --> 1:31:03.800 fewer people will qualify, and that's I think where the 1:31:03.800 --> 1:31:06.720 biggest issue had been in the past. Okay, if you 1:31:06.760 --> 1:31:08.320 got to get a credit card, you take one. If 1:31:08.360 --> 1:31:09.559 you were going to get a credit card, you might 1:31:09.560 --> 1:31:11.240 go buy our pay later, and if I didn't check, 1:31:11.479 --> 1:31:13.559 you might just get access to that credit. So hopefully 1:31:13.560 --> 1:31:16.240 more responsible lending, Hopefully fewer people get in the souls 1:31:16.280 --> 1:31:17.439 in trouble using credit products. 1:31:17.439 --> 1:31:19.200 Well let's hope. So I think the idea is right. 1:31:19.280 --> 1:31:21.200 Let's say how it plays out the dollar because the 1:31:21.200 --> 1:31:23.920 markets aren't doing anything obviously, so the dollar correct. 1:31:23.960 --> 1:31:26.160 Yeah, markets are closed. The dollar is up four tenths 1:31:26.160 --> 1:31:28.280 of a percent against the US dollar, back over sixty 1:31:28.280 --> 1:31:30.880 five cents at sixty five point one two US A. 1:31:31.000 --> 1:31:33.000 You beauty, all right, thank you, Scott, Thank you for 1:31:33.040 --> 1:31:35.559 coming on today. Scott Phillips, the chief investment officer from 1:31:35.560 --> 1:31:37.439 the Motley fool full dot com dot you all right 1:31:37.479 --> 1:31:39.519 the embarrassing moments. Let's go through some high share. 1:31:39.560 --> 1:31:41.920 Al Hi, how are you good? 1:31:42.000 --> 1:31:42.560 Thanks? 1:31:43.240 --> 1:31:46.360 That's good. My story is that I mean, it's not 1:31:46.400 --> 1:31:49.080 a story, it's true. My husband and I packed all 1:31:49.160 --> 1:31:51.680 our us stuff to go away on holidays up to 1:31:51.920 --> 1:31:54.719 pair's place at Port mcquarie. We got in the car, 1:31:55.120 --> 1:31:57.600 we're traveling up the road and we're thinking, what a 1:31:58.080 --> 1:32:00.400 heavy lifting thing behind? Have you left it behind? And 1:32:00.479 --> 1:32:03.960 look behind and the car seat was emptied. We left 1:32:04.000 --> 1:32:08.240 our twelve month old daughter in her cot Okay. 1:32:10.560 --> 1:32:13.439 Yes, I'm glad you looked behind. Otherwise that could have 1:32:13.479 --> 1:32:17.800 been really bad. You could laugh about it all these 1:32:17.880 --> 1:32:19.560 years later, but at the time, my goodness, get that 1:32:19.600 --> 1:32:21.040 sinking feeling. Thank you for the call. 1:32:21.160 --> 1:32:24.280 Hello, Pat, Yeah, how are we going? 1:32:26.680 --> 1:32:30.120 Yeah, well, I sent the family off with family and 1:32:30.240 --> 1:32:32.560 friends on a camping vacation. I had to work a 1:32:32.640 --> 1:32:35.479 couple extra days and when they got down, they were 1:32:35.479 --> 1:32:38.160 all the tent poles and everything missing from the kid. 1:32:39.120 --> 1:32:42.400 Which how far was the drive from home to the 1:32:42.720 --> 1:32:46.800 campsite two and a half hours? Okay, so it wasn't 1:32:46.800 --> 1:32:49.120 a ten hour trip or what mind you pat that 1:32:49.160 --> 1:32:51.439 would have made camping a little difficult? Thank you mate? Okay? 1:32:51.800 --> 1:32:52.719 What was left behind? 1:32:54.760 --> 1:32:56.760 Hi, Michael, I love you show Thank you kay. 1:32:58.280 --> 1:33:01.479 My brother lives in Orange and with his new wife 1:33:01.880 --> 1:33:05.280 and two boys, and his in his sixties, was going 1:33:05.439 --> 1:33:08.120 on a China China trip. So he had the green 1:33:08.240 --> 1:33:10.760 bag and he called him someone's place and left the 1:33:10.840 --> 1:33:14.320 green bag with everything passport, your story on the table. 1:33:14.840 --> 1:33:16.960 He hasn't got a mobile phone, doesn't believe in those, 1:33:17.040 --> 1:33:19.120 so no one could contact him to telling the bag 1:33:19.280 --> 1:33:21.960 was there. Got to the airport, had a special deal 1:33:22.520 --> 1:33:26.000 with all this special deal. No, we had to drive 1:33:26.120 --> 1:33:30.360 back home to Orange, drive back again and pay three 1:33:30.439 --> 1:33:31.560 times the amount. 1:33:31.320 --> 1:33:33.760 To the air fairs and meet it. 1:33:34.640 --> 1:33:37.559 Got there before them at the destination because he got 1:33:37.640 --> 1:33:40.120 a fast flight which cost him three times the amount 1:33:40.160 --> 1:33:42.040 of money. But anyway, happy holiday. 1:33:42.560 --> 1:33:45.960 Indeed, that'll teach him about the mobile phone. I hope he's. Ladies, listen, 1:33:46.000 --> 1:33:47.360 good on your k Thank you for that. We'll take 1:33:47.360 --> 1:33:50.280 a break when we come back. Roger Fransen now Roger 1:33:50.360 --> 1:33:53.439 Franzen AO. Well, as it is the King's Birthday long weekend, 1:33:53.520 --> 1:33:57.439 a new group of extraordinary Australians are being rightfully on it. 1:33:57.560 --> 1:33:59.559 In fact, eight one hundred and thirty ozz he's in total, 1:33:59.680 --> 1:34:02.640 five one hundred and eighty one of which receiving an 1:34:02.880 --> 1:34:06.040 Order of Australia. Now those selected are recognized for their 1:34:06.080 --> 1:34:09.559 contributions to all kinds of industries within our society, medicine, 1:34:09.600 --> 1:34:13.280 the arts, the military, emergency services, education and so on. 1:34:13.720 --> 1:34:16.440 But I wanted to catch up with someone who's contributed 1:34:16.960 --> 1:34:19.000 a great deal to an industry that I think may 1:34:19.080 --> 1:34:21.960 not seem every day to the average Australian right now, 1:34:22.560 --> 1:34:25.120 but it is an industry making waves in the realm 1:34:25.160 --> 1:34:28.960 of science. His name is Roger Franzen and he's being 1:34:29.040 --> 1:34:34.000 recognized today for his outstanding contributions to the space sector. Now, 1:34:34.120 --> 1:34:38.320 more specifically, he's dedicated his career as Roger to engineering 1:34:38.439 --> 1:34:42.880 complex systems, aerospace and satellite communications, most of which of 1:34:42.920 --> 1:34:45.600 course goes straight over my head, but it is critical 1:34:46.000 --> 1:34:48.920 in the emerging economy. And Roger's been working in the 1:34:49.000 --> 1:34:52.680 space engineering space for more than thirty years, and in 1:34:52.800 --> 1:34:56.639 recognition of his outstanding contribution, he's been made an Officer 1:34:57.040 --> 1:34:59.600 of the Order of Australia. That's why these awards are 1:34:59.640 --> 1:35:02.120 so good because people we may not know too much about. 1:35:02.160 --> 1:35:05.160 They're not celebrities, they're not household names and not Hollywood 1:35:05.160 --> 1:35:09.240 A listers, but we recognize them for the bedrock contribution 1:35:09.400 --> 1:35:11.760 that they have made to our way of life in 1:35:11.800 --> 1:35:14.800 our nation's economy. Roger's with me on the line, Roger 1:35:14.840 --> 1:35:19.320 Frans and thank you for joining us. Thanks Michael, congratulations AO, Roger, 1:35:19.360 --> 1:35:21.479 Friends and IO. That'll take a little while to sink. 1:35:21.320 --> 1:35:21.800 In, no out. 1:35:22.360 --> 1:35:26.840 Yeah, well, I'm sure my wife won't give me such credit. 1:35:26.960 --> 1:35:31.240 But just before we start, you know, behind everyone that 1:35:31.640 --> 1:35:35.200 has done something of value and has been awarded, there 1:35:35.320 --> 1:35:38.680 is somebody that sits behind them and alongside them. And 1:35:38.840 --> 1:35:41.120 I just want to try a hand out to my 1:35:41.960 --> 1:35:46.840 wonderful wife and life partner because she's had to put 1:35:46.920 --> 1:35:49.759 up with me all of these years, forty four years 1:35:49.880 --> 1:35:54.200 to be exact, so she deserves every bit of credit 1:35:54.280 --> 1:35:54.559 as well. 1:35:54.640 --> 1:35:57.560 That's beautifully said and so appropriate. Being honored on the 1:35:57.640 --> 1:36:00.960 King's birthday quite the achievement. Of course, when you first 1:36:01.000 --> 1:36:03.080 found out, what was the feeling that went through you? 1:36:03.560 --> 1:36:07.880 Wow, it was a surprise and an honor. Now I 1:36:08.000 --> 1:36:11.080 have to stop using quite so much profanity. 1:36:11.240 --> 1:36:11.759 I guess. 1:36:14.360 --> 1:36:17.000 I'm not sure that comes with it, but anyway, I mean, 1:36:17.600 --> 1:36:20.479 you've dedicated most of your life to work in the 1:36:20.560 --> 1:36:24.559 space sector, space engineering. Now. Look, a lot of people 1:36:24.960 --> 1:36:28.160 understand that there is a realm out there that engineering 1:36:28.320 --> 1:36:30.559 is involved with, but don't fully understand how it relates 1:36:30.600 --> 1:36:32.400 to their everyday life. Can you can you sort of 1:36:32.439 --> 1:36:34.519 bring it back to the terrestrial for a moment and 1:36:34.680 --> 1:36:37.120 just give us a sense of what your work does 1:36:37.200 --> 1:36:39.479 and how it contributes to our everyday lives. 1:36:40.040 --> 1:36:40.160 Oh? 1:36:40.240 --> 1:36:45.040 Absolutely. The important thing is that so many people don't 1:36:45.120 --> 1:36:50.599 realize that they use space space services every day. It's 1:36:50.680 --> 1:36:52.960 kind of like water in the tap. You never ask 1:36:53.080 --> 1:36:57.400 where it comes from until it stops. And our whole economy, 1:36:57.680 --> 1:37:02.680 our military security, and that of the world is a 1:37:03.280 --> 1:37:07.400 major user of space based services. If they stopped today, 1:37:07.520 --> 1:37:10.840 we'd go back to the dark ages and people would 1:37:10.880 --> 1:37:14.360 have to start using maps again. Good God, good. 1:37:14.240 --> 1:37:17.240 Grief, no GPS. How would people cope? Now you mentioned 1:37:17.400 --> 1:37:19.240 the deed with their defense. I mean you've got some 1:37:19.320 --> 1:37:21.720 expertise there obviously as well, and that's recognized in the 1:37:22.360 --> 1:37:25.000 list today, but in your view because aspeaking to Scott 1:37:25.040 --> 1:37:28.840 Morrison was also honored today and he's now got this 1:37:28.960 --> 1:37:34.559 new role in the Australian space sector. Now you intersect 1:37:34.640 --> 1:37:37.320 defense and space. Scott Morrison was saying to me just 1:37:37.360 --> 1:37:39.200 the other week that this is really going to be 1:37:39.240 --> 1:37:41.720 the new frontier of the third pillar of orcuses that 1:37:41.800 --> 1:37:43.519 were no doubt you agree with that assessment. 1:37:44.560 --> 1:37:48.720 I think that's very true. Australia has long been a 1:37:49.040 --> 1:37:53.160 user of other people's space assets, and I think the 1:37:53.280 --> 1:37:59.200 importance of a capability in country that takes account of 1:37:59.280 --> 1:38:02.280 this really uncertain world we're living in right now and 1:38:02.360 --> 1:38:06.880 all of the traditional trusts that we've placed a starting 1:38:06.920 --> 1:38:11.800 to look a little bit fragile. So having an important 1:38:12.600 --> 1:38:18.680 second tier resilience in Australia's civilian and military space capability 1:38:19.080 --> 1:38:21.400 is an important aspect of our future. 1:38:22.160 --> 1:38:26.320 When the average person Roger thinks about a civilian space sector, 1:38:26.360 --> 1:38:28.479 I think they probably think about the United States with 1:38:28.800 --> 1:38:30.800 Cape Canaveral and Nasra and the like. They think about 1:38:30.840 --> 1:38:33.600 the former Soviet Union and the cosmonauts. They might have 1:38:33.880 --> 1:38:36.840 some idea that the Indians are trying to launch rockets, 1:38:36.880 --> 1:38:39.639 and the Chinese and the European Space Agency as well established, 1:38:39.680 --> 1:38:43.080 they don't necessarily think that Australia is much of a 1:38:43.160 --> 1:38:46.920 player in that area. What is our role and what 1:38:47.120 --> 1:38:47.560 could it be? 1:38:48.760 --> 1:38:53.160 Well, for many years, our traditional role it has been 1:38:53.240 --> 1:38:56.760 as a collector of information and using our geography as 1:38:56.840 --> 1:39:01.240 a landing pad for data that come from other people's 1:39:01.280 --> 1:39:06.120 satellites and using that data very intelligently. And the likes 1:39:06.160 --> 1:39:11.720 of the CSIRO Geoscience Australia are world renowned for their 1:39:11.800 --> 1:39:14.479 ability to assimilate that data and do something with it. 1:39:14.960 --> 1:39:19.960 But I guess the importance is that that is a 1:39:20.040 --> 1:39:23.840 dependency on other people. Whenever you have a dependency, you 1:39:23.920 --> 1:39:28.760 have a vulnerability, and we haven't addressed that vulnerability for 1:39:29.200 --> 1:39:33.920 forty years. We need to really step up to become 1:39:34.040 --> 1:39:39.599 professional at delivering enough capability. We're never going to replace 1:39:39.680 --> 1:39:42.120 everything that other countries have built up because they've been 1:39:42.160 --> 1:39:45.760 doing it for the last seventy years. So we would 1:39:45.800 --> 1:39:49.200 have a cliff face to climb of enormous height to 1:39:49.400 --> 1:39:52.560 replicate that. Don't do that. Select the areas where we 1:39:52.720 --> 1:39:56.960 must have some resilience, both from an economic point of 1:39:57.040 --> 1:40:01.120 view and from a civilian the military point of view. 1:40:01.320 --> 1:40:02.680 So that's what we need to do. 1:40:03.280 --> 1:40:05.880 And is it easy getting that message into the heads 1:40:05.880 --> 1:40:06.360 of Canberra. 1:40:06.680 --> 1:40:10.519 I think it's a lack of understanding sometimes about the 1:40:10.760 --> 1:40:15.280 breadth of dependency that we have on space space services. 1:40:15.560 --> 1:40:18.840 GPS is just one thing. There's a timing signal on 1:40:18.960 --> 1:40:23.800 GPS satellites that synchronizes our mobile phone networks. It synchronizes 1:40:24.000 --> 1:40:28.040 all of the transactions, the financial transactions that are made 1:40:28.479 --> 1:40:36.720 by and two banks and between financial authorities, those two things. 1:40:36.760 --> 1:40:40.000 If you took out that timing signal would be catastrophic 1:40:40.160 --> 1:40:44.519 for the nation. The grid would collapse. So yeah, it 1:40:44.680 --> 1:40:49.320 is important, and that's something that is not very well understood. 1:40:50.160 --> 1:40:52.240 You acknowledged earlier the love and the support of your 1:40:52.400 --> 1:40:55.360 wife and your wonderful journey, but I'm sure the supporters 1:40:55.400 --> 1:40:57.519 that were that's helped you get to where you are 1:40:57.600 --> 1:40:59.840 involved others as well. You can probably go way back 1:41:00.120 --> 1:41:04.360 high school teachers. I get I'm asking here Roger. Why 1:41:04.439 --> 1:41:06.680 did Roger friends and as a young fellow, decide to 1:41:06.720 --> 1:41:10.080 go down this path and not another path, a path 1:41:10.120 --> 1:41:13.080 that perhaps is better trodden by so many other Australians. 1:41:13.400 --> 1:41:15.760 That's a good question. I grew up in Perth, which 1:41:15.840 --> 1:41:21.519 is obviously WA's mining mining capital in Australia, and I 1:41:21.720 --> 1:41:24.519 did an engineering degree. But before I did that, I 1:41:24.600 --> 1:41:29.640 had a deep interest in astronomy. I used to go 1:41:29.840 --> 1:41:33.320 out with my good buddy Gary Poon and get our 1:41:33.360 --> 1:41:35.840 telescopes out at one o'clock in the morning. Why one 1:41:35.840 --> 1:41:38.120 o'clock because in Perth in those days, and there was 1:41:38.160 --> 1:41:40.000 a long time ago, at the street lights would go 1:41:40.120 --> 1:41:44.400 out at one o'clock in the morning, it'd be beautifully dark. 1:41:44.479 --> 1:41:46.960 So we sleep beforehand and then go out and watch 1:41:47.000 --> 1:41:50.599 the stuff. And you know, that brings a perspective that says, wow, 1:41:51.280 --> 1:41:55.080 there is so much more out there that we don't understand. 1:41:55.240 --> 1:42:01.559 And needless to say, I'd done a techniqely oriented high 1:42:01.600 --> 1:42:04.360 school course and then went into engineering. I wasn't a 1:42:04.439 --> 1:42:08.960 great scholar, but I had a deep passion for it 1:42:09.080 --> 1:42:10.680 and that just kept driving me on. 1:42:11.040 --> 1:42:13.760 We seem to have a shortage of shall we say, 1:42:13.880 --> 1:42:17.080 stem experts even though we've had a high profile campaign 1:42:17.160 --> 1:42:19.479 to try to get more and more people into science 1:42:19.520 --> 1:42:23.920 and technology, engineering and the mathematical courses. What do you 1:42:23.960 --> 1:42:27.160 think is the solution to that? I mean, it worked 1:42:27.200 --> 1:42:29.200 for you and you had that passion, but how do 1:42:29.280 --> 1:42:30.519 we instill that in others? 1:42:31.240 --> 1:42:34.439 Gosh, you know, in a country that is so well 1:42:34.720 --> 1:42:38.840 endowed with mineral resources and the ease with which we 1:42:38.960 --> 1:42:44.240 can generate revenue, it's honestly made us a bit lazy, 1:42:45.000 --> 1:42:51.800 and we have cut away our manufacturing industry rather than 1:42:51.880 --> 1:43:00.519 growing it. In contrast to places like Europe, America, India, Japan, China, 1:43:01.200 --> 1:43:06.880 where the more manufacturing pyramids I'll call them, because you 1:43:07.040 --> 1:43:10.880 have a pyramid that has a peak integrator at the 1:43:10.960 --> 1:43:14.840 top and all of a substance under the foundation of 1:43:15.960 --> 1:43:20.519 training and such like. Those pyramids produce output, but they 1:43:20.600 --> 1:43:24.759 also produce jobs. The more pyramids you have in different 1:43:24.880 --> 1:43:31.559 areas pharmaceuticals and space and ships and airplanes and all 1:43:31.640 --> 1:43:37.160 of the complex engineering technologies, the more of those you have, 1:43:37.439 --> 1:43:40.479 the more jobs you have, but the more easily you 1:43:40.640 --> 1:43:45.640 can then realize new innovation, because it's like having a 1:43:45.800 --> 1:43:51.840 massive lego box that's able to let you build all 1:43:51.960 --> 1:43:55.040 sorts of different things. The more lego pieces you have, 1:43:55.200 --> 1:43:58.360 the more things you can build. And that's really what 1:43:58.520 --> 1:44:03.639 we're lacking. Why aren't there more people going into STEM 1:44:03.760 --> 1:44:06.920 because where are the jobs? Where are the jobs in STEM? 1:44:07.520 --> 1:44:09.599 You've got to create that pathway for them and then 1:44:09.800 --> 1:44:12.960 allow them to tread that road well. As I said, Roger, 1:44:13.000 --> 1:44:15.200 you know that the King's Birthday honors are a wonderful 1:44:15.280 --> 1:44:17.760 vehicle I think to honor and acknowledge great Australians who 1:44:17.840 --> 1:44:21.000 may not have the pedestal afforded celebrities, but nonetheless have 1:44:21.160 --> 1:44:24.559 made an extraordinary contribution to our way of life, our 1:44:24.640 --> 1:44:26.760 country and our economy. And you're one of them. And 1:44:26.920 --> 1:44:28.240 it's a deserve it Ao for you. 1:44:28.479 --> 1:44:31.479 Thank you for your time, my pleasure, Michael. You have 1:44:31.520 --> 1:44:32.400 a wonderful day. 1:44:32.360 --> 1:44:34.160 You too, Roger Franzen Ao. 1:44:42.680 --> 1:44:45.240 Now one afternoons, the track of the day. 1:44:45.720 --> 1:44:48.280 Okay, let's do this before we go and hand over 1:44:48.320 --> 1:44:50.599 to the continuous call team. I've got a double pass 1:44:50.760 --> 1:44:55.320 to the double movie pass to Riviera Revenge. Okay. Now, 1:44:55.840 --> 1:44:58.519 it's a movie set on the sunny French riviera of 1:44:58.680 --> 1:45:02.479 family revelations virals into a mischievous journey Bringing with Love, 1:45:02.560 --> 1:45:06.320 vengeance and surprises. Now this is a French smash it 1:45:06.439 --> 1:45:09.240 romantic comedy. It's in Australian cinemas from June twenty six. 1:45:09.320 --> 1:45:11.360 If you want to go double pass one three one 1:45:11.439 --> 1:45:14.320 eight seven three, here's your question. It was on this day, 1:45:14.520 --> 1:45:17.000 speaking of all sort of French things in twenty nineteen. 1:45:17.520 --> 1:45:20.479 On this day twenty nineteen, the great Ash Barty won 1:45:20.600 --> 1:45:24.759 the French Open tennis final. But who was the last 1:45:24.880 --> 1:45:31.360 Australian player to win the women's title before? Who was 1:45:31.479 --> 1:45:36.679 the previous Australian lady that won the French Open before 1:45:36.800 --> 1:45:39.040 Ash Barty did it on this day in twenty nineteen, 1:45:39.160 --> 1:45:41.759 Nita clue, here's a bit of a musical hint. 1:45:49.200 --> 1:45:49.439 Game. 1:45:50.000 --> 1:45:52.120 All right, who was the one before Ash that did it? 1:45:52.240 --> 1:45:53.519 Let's go down and see if we can find I 1:45:53.560 --> 1:45:55.120 win anarrell. Good afternoon. 1:45:55.880 --> 1:45:57.680 Oh I'm sorry, I wouldn't think that. 1:45:58.880 --> 1:46:00.680 Not to worry. Have a lovely thank you, No real 1:46:00.760 --> 1:46:02.599 good on you. Andrew at Maruba. You've got the answer, 1:46:02.640 --> 1:46:05.559 of course, the great Margaret Court. You're off to the movies. 1:46:05.720 --> 1:46:07.960 It looks like some light to moderate rain coming from 1:46:08.040 --> 1:46:10.000 the south, so get those brollies ready.