Speaker 1: On two GB at network stations.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is afternoons with Michael McLaren.
Speaker 3: Well, it is in a very happy King's Birthday public
Speaker 3: holiday Monday. To you. Hope you're well wherever you happen
Speaker 3: to be. I know a lot of people making their
Speaker 3: way back east over the Blue Mountains. That usual annual
Speaker 3: traffic jam between Mount Victoria and Medlow Bath very much
Speaker 3: in place as we speak, as people come back to
Speaker 3: the Big Smoke. If you're in that stick the radio one,
Speaker 3: we'll try to entertain you as it takes you an
Speaker 3: hour to go about five kilometers one three one eight
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Speaker 3: have your say on anything, of course, you can send
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Speaker 3: on the program between now and three o'clock. Later this hour,
Speaker 3: I'll speak to a dairy farmer, Phil Ryan. He's down
Speaker 3: on the south coast there and they've had reasonable conditions.
Speaker 3: It's pretty greener bigger at the moment, I'm told. But
Speaker 3: the state of the dairy industry is back in the
Speaker 3: news and this sort of ebbs and flows comes and goes,
Speaker 3: this story how the dairy farmers are going. The herd
Speaker 3: is down in number, the number of farmers is down
Speaker 3: to the fears it could continue to drop as they
Speaker 3: are squeezed by the providers and the big behemoths in
Speaker 3: the industry. Phil I'm led to believes doing okay. I
Speaker 3: think he's dealing with biager if I'm not mistaken. But
Speaker 3: a lot of other farmers in Victoria, Tasmania, South Australia,
Speaker 3: in a litter of his drought stricken areas are really
Speaker 3: struggling to make a profit. And the minimum pricing is
Speaker 3: being negotiated as we speak. So it'd be groups like Fonterra,
Speaker 3: I'd imagine it'd be coming in and doing the minimum
Speaker 3: pricing negotiations and some of them are just saying, look,
Speaker 3: we can't, we can't operate on these levels. Now. You know,
Speaker 3: we go to the supermarket and okay, we're not getting
Speaker 3: a dollar or a liter of milk anymore. But there is
Speaker 3: an argument maybe we should be paying more. If that
Speaker 3: then filtered back to the source. The dairying no guarantee,
Speaker 3: it always does. So these things come and go, these debates,
Speaker 3: but the problems seem to just perpetuate in the dairy industry.
Speaker 3: I know very little about it, but I want to
Speaker 3: speak to someone at the coal face, so I'll speak
Speaker 3: to philm after one o'clock Meryll Kine. Now Merrill is
Speaker 3: the new South Wales Justices Association Vice President, and I
Speaker 3: was saying to Mark just before, there are a bunch
Speaker 3: of challenges for Justices of the Peace in Victoria. They
Speaker 3: simply don't have enough of them. In regional Victoria particularly,
Speaker 3: there's a very significant earth of jps. And you know
Speaker 3: you're going to need a JP on a number of
Speaker 3: occasions throughout your life to witness documents, to do all
Speaker 3: sorts of things, and if there just isn't one available,
Speaker 3: or you've got to drive miles and miles to find one,
Speaker 3: it is a real impediment. So why are we down
Speaker 3: on jps? Why is there a shortage? Why aren't people
Speaker 3: taking it up? What did jps do? What are the
Speaker 3: qualifications you need?
Speaker 4: Is?
Speaker 3: My late father was a JP, but I don't think
Speaker 3: I ever asked him how he came about it. I've
Speaker 3: got a feeling when he became a JP. In those days,
Speaker 3: a lot of teachers sort of automatically became jps or
Speaker 3: something like that. But I might be wrong. That's in
Speaker 3: New South Wales. Different horses for different courses in different states.
Speaker 3: But if you are a JP, you might want to
Speaker 3: have you say on all of this one three, one,
Speaker 3: eight seven three. And there does seem to be a shortage.
Speaker 3: The average JP seems to be getting older, and you
Speaker 3: know that's something we're going to have to look at.
Speaker 3: Drive is back with us, even if it is a
Speaker 3: public holiday. A lot of people are on the roads.
Speaker 3: James Ward, the director of content at drive dot com
Speaker 3: DOTU will be here to take your questions about different
Speaker 3: cars and all the rest of it. Actually, speaking of cars,
Speaker 3: I saw what was it, a Genesis? A Genesis on
Speaker 3: the road the other year. They're good looking cars. They're
Speaker 3: very good looking cars. Don't see too many of them around,
Speaker 3: but damn fine looking vehicles. I might ask James about
Speaker 3: the whole Genesis story. And after two o'clock with the
Speaker 3: King's Birthday public holiday, comes the awards that we associate
Speaker 3: with the day. And I think this is a wonderful opportunity.
Speaker 3: It seems to have been well exercised this year, anyway
Speaker 3: to recognize and elevate those that have done extraordinary things
Speaker 3: but may not have Shall we say that the platform
Speaker 3: or the pulpit that celebrities have to elevate their cause. Now, yes,
Speaker 3: we also give gongs to people that are sporting champions
Speaker 3: and former high profile politicians, and of course they've got
Speaker 3: their pulpit already and they can communicate from there. But
Speaker 3: what we get today are a range of Australians, a
Speaker 3: bunch of people that have really overachieved compared to the average,
Speaker 3: and yet up until this point haven't really had the ability,
Speaker 3: haven't been given the platform to educate us about what
Speaker 3: they do and the areas in which they've achieved. I'll
Speaker 3: be speaking to one of those people today, Roger Franzen.
Speaker 3: Roger's the former chair of the Space Industry Association of Australia.
Speaker 3: He's done incredible work in engineering all sorts of things,
Speaker 3: and he's a wonderful gentleman. And he's now Roger friends
Speaker 3: in AO and I look forward to speaking to him
Speaker 3: in the final hour. We've got track of the day.
Speaker 3: As Mark reminded me. We'll catch up with a great
Speaker 3: Mark Levy. He'll be at that big football match this afternoon.
Speaker 3: The continuous call team on instead of Sydney now because
Speaker 3: of the big game. So all of that and more
Speaker 3: stay with us one three, one eight seven three. It
Speaker 3: is quarter past twelve. Well, look, it might be a
Speaker 3: public holiday out here, but it's very quiet streets all
Speaker 3: that sort of stuff. But over in Los Angeles it's
Speaker 3: a very different story. Turn on the television and chances
Speaker 3: are you'll see scenes from LA with thousands of protesters
Speaker 3: and law enforcement facing off over the removal of illegal
Speaker 3: immigrants from across the city. But depending on who you
Speaker 3: watch or what you listen to, chances are you won't
Speaker 3: hear the full story about what's going on. All too often,
Speaker 3: the anti Trump default position just automatically kicks in and
Speaker 3: the reason why, for example, the National Guard has been
Speaker 3: deployed is not explained. So what is going on over there? Well,
Speaker 3: in short, on Friday and Saturday, so called Ice agents
Speaker 3: arrested some one hundred immigrants from around Los Angeles City
Speaker 3: as the agents swept through different neighborhoods, some of them
Speaker 3: heavily Latino. In composition, tensions escalated and protest has congregated,
Speaker 3: and there were reports of federal agents being pelted with
Speaker 3: rocks and chunks of cement. All of that started to
Speaker 3: filter through. Something had to be done. Now, Trump's decision
Speaker 3: to send in the Guard is somewhat historic. It is
Speaker 3: the first time in some sixty or so years that
Speaker 3: a president has activated the Guard minus a request from
Speaker 3: the state's governor. But in the case of Los Angeles,
Speaker 3: the governor is the Democrat Gavin Newsom, and there was
Speaker 3: no way Newsom would ask for help rounding up illegal immigrants,
Speaker 3: even those that might have criminal records, because his party
Speaker 3: has been running a legislative protection racket for such people
Speaker 3: for a long long time. Now, they call this sanctuary cities,
Speaker 3: right and in America, a stack of big cities like
Speaker 3: Los Angeles, New York, Chicago, and along with some two
Speaker 3: hundred odd towns are declared sanctuary cities. And in the
Speaker 3: case of Los Angeles, part of this designation means laws
Speaker 3: have been passed to specifically deny any cooperation between the
Speaker 3: local authorities and the federal government on matters to do
Speaker 3: with immigration enforcement. Now, for an Australian audience, trying to
Speaker 3: work out how this happens. It'd be a bit like
Speaker 3: the state parliament or some local council withholding resources and
Speaker 3: denying Canberra access to any council facility in the enforcement
Speaker 3: of an immigration matter. Now, people here that how does
Speaker 3: that happen. Indeed, in the words of Nitha Raman, who's
Speaker 3: an LA councilor from the fourth District, quote, LA's new
Speaker 3: Sanctuary City Ordinance permanently enshrines sanctuary policies into municipal law
Speaker 3: and prohibits the use of city resources, including property and personnel,
Speaker 3: from being utilized for immigration enforcement or to cooperate with
Speaker 3: federal immigration agents engaged in immigration enforcement. Now, she went
Speaker 3: on to write to constituents recently, quote the ordinance prohibits
Speaker 3: the direct and indirect sharing of data with federal immigration
Speaker 3: authorities and important gap, she said, to close in our
Speaker 3: city's protection for immigrants. So there you have it. The
Speaker 3: law makers of Los Angeles City have no interest in
Speaker 3: helping the federal government identify and deport people who shouldn't
Speaker 3: be in the country or suspected shouldn't be in the country.
Speaker 3: In fact, they're doing everything they can to protect such people.
Speaker 3: Despite the direction of the Congress and the presidency. That's
Speaker 3: a completely unacceptable state of affairs that's been allowed to
Speaker 3: FESTI for far too long, and at all it took
Speaker 3: really was a president who was prepared to actually follow
Speaker 3: through on his order to bring it.
Speaker 4: To a head.
Speaker 3: And so here we are now. The la Mayor has
Speaker 3: been in the media this morning urging the pre cotesters
Speaker 3: to keep calm lester. She says they play into the
Speaker 3: administration's plans. Now. Trump has been accused by other leading
Speaker 3: Democrats of intentionally escalating tensions. Ironically, what these people don't
Speaker 3: admit is that it's their policies that are the things
Speaker 3: intentionally escalating the tensions. You see, since nineteen seventy nine,
Speaker 3: with the passing of the so called Special Order forty,
Speaker 3: the LAPD have apparently maintained a policy where they don't
Speaker 3: arrest people on the basis of immigration status or take
Speaker 3: any actions to determine a person's immigration status. These don't
Speaker 3: want to know. The latest sanctuary city legislation, the one
Speaker 3: I mentioned earlier, is merely the icing on the cake,
Speaker 3: the cherry on the top, But it speaks to a
Speaker 3: mindset that's determined to undermine and stymy federal directives in
Speaker 3: a policy area that should be wholly managed by federal law. Now,
Speaker 3: I think with the deployment of the National Guard, Trump's
Speaker 3: making a point not just to Los Angeles in California,
Speaker 3: but all the devotees of sanctuary cities across the United States,
Speaker 3: and that is shape up or ship out. In his
Speaker 3: first term, he tried to deny these jurisdictions federal funding
Speaker 3: if they didn't follow federal directives. That failed, but emboldened
Speaker 3: by winning a second term, he's clearly trying again, and
Speaker 3: so far the legal barriers are again being put up,
Speaker 3: the latest coming on April twenty four, when a federal
Speaker 3: judge in California, of all places, barred the administration from
Speaker 3: denying federal funds two sanctuary jurisdictions. But if it goes
Speaker 3: all the way to the Supreme Court, well Trump may
Speaker 3: have the last laugh. Watch this space. In the meantime,
Speaker 3: some of Los Angeles streets remain off limits, with smoldering cars,
Speaker 3: riot police, the National Guard, at a mix of protesters
Speaker 3: and just plain rioters facing and fighting for the rights
Speaker 3: of what the Americans tend to call illegal aliens. Now
Speaker 3: many will remember that song by the clash from nineteen
Speaker 3: seventy seven. You know, I fought the law and the
Speaker 3: law won. Well, it's going to be fascinating to see
Speaker 3: which interpretation of the law prevails in this case, the
Speaker 3: local laws of the city of Los Angeles or the
Speaker 3: might of the federal law and the presidency. But either way,
Speaker 3: as the messy scenes play out on our televisions, one
Speaker 3: thing is certain, the reputation of the United States eight winning.
Speaker 3: Appreciate all the feedback, keep it coming. Zero four six
Speaker 3: zero eight seven three eight seven three. On this public
Speaker 3: holiday Monday, a lot of calls about the JP situation.
Speaker 3: Let's get to some of those. Jack, Good, afternoon, kisch.
Speaker 5: Hi MATEI how are you?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Good? What's your story? Jack?
Speaker 6: J was given it the light through the court back
Speaker 6: in about eighty four, and then only recently they start
Speaker 6: a lot of FREJP.
Speaker 7: They took a lifelong awarding of it about ten years ago,
Speaker 7: and then only last year you had to sit there
Speaker 7: and do another test of your testing of his JP knowledge.
Speaker 7: And I just said, I'll bug it. I've been a
Speaker 7: JP for nearly forty years. Why do I have to
Speaker 7: sit now and do a test. And I think a
Speaker 7: lot of people did the same thing. I know my
Speaker 7: brother did the same thing. My brother, my son in law,
Speaker 7: he also did the same thing. Why should we have
Speaker 7: to sit back and do another test? Be coauld have
Speaker 7: already done all this, Nothing's changed, We're still doing the
Speaker 7: same Servant.
Speaker 3: That's an interesting point, Jack. That's something I'll raise with
Speaker 3: my guest in the in the second hour, Merrill about
Speaker 3: this refresher test or course or whatever it is. Is
Speaker 3: it not being a JP. I'm not across all the details,
Speaker 3: so I'm here to learn about it, and it's interesting
Speaker 3: that people are dropping out like you, saying, well, why
Speaker 3: should why should I be retested for something I've been
Speaker 3: doing and as a community service for decades. Thank you.
Speaker 3: I'll see what others have to make about that. Jack Sean,
Speaker 3: good afternoon.
Speaker 8: Hi Michael. I had the same experience as Jack, and
Speaker 8: you know, I was really disappointed with the whole pres
Speaker 8: because I've been a JP for forty years. I'm sixty now.
Speaker 8: I was a JP when i was nineteen and and
Speaker 8: now Jack said, you know, ten to fifteen years ago
Speaker 8: they started to you know, had to reapply to become
Speaker 8: a JP. And that was fine, and the test which
Speaker 8: we had to set. Last year, I printed out a
Speaker 8: PDF document of about fifty or sixty pages and went
Speaker 8: through that and studied it. And the questions, Michael, were
Speaker 8: so close to know how you have multiple choice questions
Speaker 8: where the answers are very similar that you know, I
Speaker 8: got sort of you know, eighty percent incorrect correct, and
Speaker 8: you know I had to get ninety percent to become
Speaker 8: reapplied past the test. I didn't even get an option,
Speaker 8: but it was was basically, you know, you're failed and
Speaker 8: you're not being to register. And I was really disappointed
Speaker 8: with that whole prochi because you know, as Jack has
Speaker 8: done and other people have done, you know, you give
Speaker 8: this as a community service, yes, and then you service
Speaker 8: and we'll see you later. And now that the short
Speaker 8: of people that's ridiculous.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, okay, we're getting a bit of a story developing. Sure.
Speaker 3: I appreciate that. Thank you, Hi Patricia, Oh, hi Michael.
Speaker 9: I've been the JP for over fifty years and I
Speaker 9: went to Parliament just ever a year ago where they
Speaker 9: had a morning tea to recognize people who had fifty
Speaker 9: years service. I did it mainly in my work, which
Speaker 9: is in a hospital, and so much legislation now including
Speaker 9: in the workplace like you need fax leave or everything.
Speaker 9: They all need decks and they all require a JP,
Speaker 9: so you can be quite frisy doing your normal workplus
Speaker 9: some having to sign statutue decorations. And in my days
Speaker 9: when I first joined, you had to apply to your
Speaker 9: local member of public and then they also did a
Speaker 9: criminal record tech so you had to be a good
Speaker 9: character and have references, but you didn't need any other
Speaker 9: qualifications to become a JP.
Speaker 3: So no doubt, Patricia, you've been doing the for fifty years.
Speaker 3: Thank you for what you've done. You you would have
Speaker 3: had to have gone through that reapplication process at some
Speaker 3: point there.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 9: Yeah, absolutely did it online and may register you, I
Speaker 9: think for about three years, and then to continue to
Speaker 9: be registered you have to do the testing in online.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 3: What do you think about that, as that I've got
Speaker 3: no skin in the game except I used JP occasionally
Speaker 3: like everybody does. But about reapplying as it were being
Speaker 3: tested every three or so years, is that fair and reasonable?
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's a bit of a nuisance that I think.
Speaker 9: Oh well, it keeps you on your toes to make
Speaker 9: sure you haven't forgotten anything or you know you're not
Speaker 9: missing the point on something, so I didn't object too
Speaker 9: much to having to do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, good on you. Thanks Patricia. Lovely to hear from you.
Speaker 3: Enjoyed the rest of the public holiday Monday. Doug's there, God,
Speaker 3: I Doug Michael Pleasure.
Speaker 10: I just read I just read something sat the JP test.
Speaker 10: I think I got referral five and he's you got
Speaker 10: to do it. But they have made it easier where
Speaker 10: you only really sit in the questions you fail first
Speaker 10: time around. I'm just saying to your system five years
Speaker 10: ago or six years ago, when COVID was around, you
Speaker 10: get one question wrong and you got to see the
Speaker 10: whole thing again, which is an absolute punish. I thought
Speaker 10: it's probably seen or fifteen times and was going to
Speaker 10: start to towel week. But it's easy this time around.
Speaker 10: So I guess they may have listened the peoples concerns
Speaker 10: when sid or finder in your process.
Speaker 11: I'm the sharing Yeah all right.
Speaker 3: Well that's obviously in recognition that a lot of people
Speaker 3: were doing what our previous callers were saying, is well, okay,
Speaker 3: sold this, I'm out. So you've got to design the
Speaker 3: system so that you keep a certain number of jps
Speaker 3: on the books. Otherwise the whole thing grinds to a halt. Doug,
Speaker 3: well done for persisting. Thank you. A lot of techs
Speaker 3: coming through on this XT. We've hit on something here,
Speaker 3: no name, but it says my husband did the same
Speaker 3: thing as many of your callers after about thirty years
Speaker 3: said no thanks to all of this. Last year, Sue
Speaker 3: on the tech said, I was a JP for thirty
Speaker 3: seven years. I retired last year with the renewal of
Speaker 3: status application forms. They're now online, but I don't have
Speaker 3: a computer. It was a privilege to serve the community.
Speaker 3: These are usually available at libraries, post offices, banks and
Speaker 3: real estate agents that I know of. That's from Sue,
Speaker 3: who is now retired JP. A lot of people I
Speaker 3: think go to the post office for that, some doctors
Speaker 3: JP's as well as being GPS obviously real estate agents.
Speaker 3: That's interesting. I hadn't thought of that, all right, Good
Speaker 3: to be with you. One three one eight seven three.
Speaker 3: The open line number two got the text lines going
Speaker 3: nuts for a public holiday. Every JP under the I
Speaker 3: think every JP in the southern hemisphere sent me a
Speaker 3: note already, Dave saying what many have said, it's a
Speaker 3: theme here. He said, when I reapplied from a JP
Speaker 3: license that was five years ago. The questions were so
Speaker 3: close in answers. I complained and was told some of
Speaker 3: the answers were correct, but one was basically more correct.
Speaker 3: Sort of animal farm esk, isn't it. We're all equal,
Speaker 3: except some animals are more equal than others. Anyway, I said,
Speaker 3: frustrating six times to get three questions right. It's a
Speaker 3: he's a paint of the dairy. That's from Dave, So
Speaker 3: I think Dave's stuck with it. But a lot of
Speaker 3: people saying, when you do the test, and again I've
Speaker 3: got no knowledge of any of this, but some of
Speaker 3: the answers are so similar that they are basically almost
Speaker 3: the same. But you've got to pick exactly the right one,
Speaker 3: and it's confusing. And now look others are saying, well, look,
Speaker 3: you know JP or not. You want to make sure
Speaker 3: that the people that are will do have this title,
Speaker 3: know what they're doing and get it right. So if
Speaker 3: they're favling the test, maybe they shouldn't be a JP.
Speaker 3: Others who are JP, so, well, look, you know, we
Speaker 3: know what we're doing. It's just that the tests are
Speaker 3: so difficult to discern the exact right answer, because some
Speaker 3: of them are so close in rationale that it's almost
Speaker 3: deceptively difficult. Now again, I'm just referencing what others are
Speaker 3: telling me. I have no knowledge of this. We'll discuss
Speaker 3: it in greater detail with an expert after the news,
Speaker 3: but I said text after text. This one from no
Speaker 3: Leano says I am also a JP for many years.
Speaker 3: The test is many answers that are very ambiguous, and
Speaker 3: a one hundred percent pass is required. Whilst I'm happy
Speaker 3: at my age early eighties to still provide the service,
Speaker 3: I think the whole thing is just too hard to
Speaker 3: provide a service. That's from Noline. Thank you, Noline. Nice
Speaker 3: to hear from you. This is from Gay, who says
Speaker 3: I've been a JP since nineteen eighty nine. Like the
Speaker 3: last caller, I too had an online course assessment to
Speaker 3: maintain my status. It's typical of the government simply adding
Speaker 3: a layer of red tape to keep some bureaucrat in
Speaker 3: the job. Also note no other occupations can sign documents
Speaker 3: and do not need to do this course like a JP.
Speaker 3: All right, Gay, thank you for your feedback. I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Paul suggests that JP should be paid a small fee.
Speaker 3: My understanding is it it's a completely voluntary service. Again,
Speaker 3: I might be wrong, but that's my understanding. Geraldine's just
Speaker 3: called in, Hi, Geraldine.
Speaker 12: Oh oh, Michael.
Speaker 13: Yes, I've just done my reapply to be a JP,
Speaker 13: and it's actually a lot simpler than people might think.
Speaker 13: To reapply, you only have to get i think twenty
Speaker 13: or thirty questions correct, and you're able to look at
Speaker 13: the manual as you do it. So it's actually it's
Speaker 13: not that owner. It can be a big tricky if
Speaker 13: you're not familiar with computers, but otherwise it's it's not
Speaker 13: too bad, I don't think.
Speaker 3: Okay, so you can have the manual beside you and
Speaker 3: you can refer to that as you go. Is it
Speaker 3: timed the questions or you get a certain amount of
Speaker 3: time on the hour glass per question?
Speaker 13: I think it might be if you take way too long,
Speaker 13: but you can say that and come back to it.
Speaker 13: You can. There's no limit to the number of times
Speaker 13: you do it to pass. And if you're reapplying, if
Speaker 13: you do get a question wrong, you only have to
Speaker 13: do that question you've got wrong. Okay, you've got an
Speaker 13: eighty five percent past mark.
Speaker 3: I think one of our previous callers said in the
Speaker 3: past it was it was all or bust. But then
Speaker 3: I think what you're saying, Jordine refers to what someone
Speaker 3: else said, and that was changed so that you get
Speaker 3: to reset the specific questions until you get it right.
Speaker 13: That's right, but that's only if you're reapplying and you've
Speaker 13: got a basic eighty five percent pass mark to get
Speaker 13: to that point. Interesting, So, yeah, it's actually so Actually
Speaker 13: I've I didn't think it was all that bad in
Speaker 13: the end. Well good because and the on that site
Speaker 13: that you go into the manual is actually a soft
Speaker 13: copy in front of you, so you can just pull
Speaker 13: it down as you need it, and even when you
Speaker 13: get a question wrong, it will tell you which section
Speaker 13: in the manual you need to go to to get
Speaker 13: the answer.
Speaker 3: Well, that's that's certainly sounding a lot easier than some
Speaker 3: others were suggesting. Geraldine. I appreciate your feedback very much.
Speaker 3: Thank you. One three, one eight seven three. Now before
Speaker 3: we get to a break, and we'll catch up with
Speaker 3: a dairy farmer and have a look at what's happening
Speaker 3: with milk prices and the dairy industry after this. But
Speaker 3: there was a speaking of sort of food related issues.
Speaker 3: It's a fascinating story in the UK Telegraph. Over the weekend.
Speaker 3: They often churn out some doozies the UK Telegraph, and
Speaker 3: this is top of the pile. According to some academics.
Speaker 3: Don't roll your eyes yet, the Michel and Restaurant Guide
Speaker 3: is racist, eurocentric and elitist. Don't these people have anything
Speaker 3: better to do? So, it says here. The famous guide,
Speaker 3: first published by the French tire Come copy back in
Speaker 3: nineteen hundred, now covers more than thirty countries. It's racked
Speaker 3: up sales of more than thirty million copies. The rating
Speaker 3: system of stars is often seen as the sort of
Speaker 3: the krem de la creme for the restaurant industry. But
Speaker 3: in the most recent version of the Great Britain and
Speaker 3: Island Guide, and that's got eleven hundred and forty seven restaurants,
Speaker 3: two hundred and twenty a starred, and there's a Greek
Speaker 3: one in there. There's an Anglo Thai etery, a Korean restaurant,
Speaker 3: a couple of West African restaurants in Fitzrovia in London
Speaker 3: that have been awarded stars. So it's not just all
Speaker 3: French things, but as it says here. Despite some variety
Speaker 3: within the guides, critics argue that Michelin's approach is generally
Speaker 3: parochial and that it ignores huge swathes of the world.
Speaker 3: Now the average person who might be over in say
Speaker 3: Europe or something that look, we're going to splash out,
Speaker 3: We're going to gave a really top notch feed here.
Speaker 3: Let's have a look at the Michelin Guide. And you know,
Speaker 3: do you think they give it. They ain't care, it cares,
Speaker 3: you know. But some academicsio existence. So as it says here,
Speaker 3: these emissions may be down to racism, also suggests a
Speaker 3: professor of anthropology, religion, and transnational Studies at Emerson College
Speaker 3: in Boston. The person is saying, quote, there is no
Speaker 3: Michelin Guide in India, one of the world's greatest and
Speaker 3: oldest cuisines, or in Africa, with its multiplicity of cultural flavors,
Speaker 3: perhaps a side of racism with the berf bourgagnor Nice tribe,
Speaker 3: but instead of promoting restaurants in other parts of the world.
Speaker 3: The critics say that the inherently elitist guide for celebrating
Speaker 3: obscure European gastronomic processes such as fire cooking and Stockholm
Speaker 3: and molecular gastronomy in Spain. In fact, the academic said,
Speaker 3: and I quote, despite a movement to decolonize food, did
Speaker 3: you know about? That? Movement? Hasn't registered in my part
Speaker 3: of town. Too busy, just trying to pay the bills. Anyway,
Speaker 3: despite a movement to decolonize food by rethinking colonial legacies
Speaker 3: of power and the extractive ways of eating, Michelin has
Speaker 3: delivered its stellar reputation primarily from reviving, reviewing rather metropolitan
Speaker 3: European cuisine. Anyway, you get these GISTs. Some people reckon
Speaker 3: the Michelin Guide is racist and eurocentric. Look, it might
Speaker 3: be eurocentric, but is that a problem? Does that matter?
Speaker 3: I mean the mischel entire company's French, you know, I mean,
Speaker 3: cut them some slack. They happen to be European. I'm
Speaker 3: sure there's a bunch of critics and guides in Africa
Speaker 3: and Asia and India that do their own thing that
Speaker 3: probably don't rate too many European restaurants, or restaurants in
Speaker 3: Australia for that matter. Do we care?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 3: Who cares? I mean, these people just need to go
Speaker 3: and actually earn a living, I think, instead of hanging
Speaker 3: around in the halls of academia churning out that kind
Speaker 3: of guff. Australia, as you know, is a nation that's
Speaker 3: been built on farming and for hundreds of years. The
Speaker 3: fact that the matter is farming, but it for meat
Speaker 3: or crops or indeed dairy has been the backbone of
Speaker 3: the nation for a very long time. But for many
Speaker 3: this reality is something that I think they forget. Some
Speaker 3: of that note out linked to all sorts of different
Speaker 3: policies which in turn put farmers under pressure control things
Speaker 3: like methane production from the animals and sort the whole
Speaker 3: story gets lost, right, But there is also the issue
Speaker 3: of cost in farming, because there are often occasions when
Speaker 3: the local produce is more expensive than what we could
Speaker 3: purchase from overseas. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: we need local farmers to keep the economy running and
Speaker 3: our sovereignty guaranteed. Now the backbone of all of them,
Speaker 3: of of course, the dairy farmers, but they're under a
Speaker 3: lot of pressure at the moment, with dairy companies across
Speaker 3: the country reportedly announcing their latest farm gate milk prices.
Speaker 3: Now generally speaking, across the board, these companies have announced
Speaker 3: slight increases to the price this is the minimum price,
Speaker 3: but they pale in comparison to the increased cost of
Speaker 3: production at the farm gate. Now the story doesn't apply
Speaker 3: to all farmers. Some farmers have got a pretty good
Speaker 3: deal and they're not in the middle of drought, and
Speaker 3: there's good production and everything on their patch. But you
Speaker 3: go fifty or sixty kilometers in another direction, and it's
Speaker 3: a different story. I wanted to speak to a dairy
Speaker 3: farmer who understands all of this. Phil Ryan is his name.
Speaker 3: He runs Hillgrove Dairy. It's in the Bega Valley. He's
Speaker 3: on the line with me. Now, Phil, thanks for your
Speaker 3: time this afternoon.
Speaker 14: Now, good afternoons, pleasure.
Speaker 3: You've got pretty good green pasture there. I think at
Speaker 3: the moment you've had some rain. The Bega Valley generally speaking,
Speaker 3: is doing okay. But you're very aware. I know of
Speaker 3: the fact that for many other people who do your
Speaker 3: line of work in other parts of the country, it's
Speaker 3: a very different story.
Speaker 14: Absolutely on both counts. We do have pretty well an
Speaker 14: ideal season here in Beger at the moment, but many
Speaker 14: of my colleagues are suffering really badly with drought, in
Speaker 14: Western Victoria, Victoria, generally in South Australia, even Tasmania, and
Speaker 14: then pretty much everyone listening is probably well aware of
Speaker 14: the floods on the mid North Coast.
Speaker 3: Indeed, so you're obviously being in the Biga Valley, you're
Speaker 3: dealing with the bigger company, and there is a benefit
Speaker 3: for being so close to the buyer as it were.
Speaker 3: I think I read in the fin review they're proposing
Speaker 3: a minimum price of ten dollars and forty cents per
Speaker 3: kilogram of milk solids. But that's a pretty generous price
Speaker 3: compared to what others are getting into state.
Speaker 14: That is true, we're well positioned for supplying a cheese manufacturer,
Speaker 14: and our colleagues in Victoria, South Australia, Tasmania would be
Speaker 14: thinking their prices well short of what they need in
Speaker 14: current conditions. And then our fresh milk suppliers further north
Speaker 14: are being paid more again for getting that fresh milk
Speaker 14: into Sydney and Brisbane. But once again they'd be probably
Speaker 14: suggesting that the price they're receiving isn't keeping up with
Speaker 14: the conditions that they're facing.
Speaker 3: These are just numbers, right, So other farmers are being
Speaker 3: off at eight dollars sixty. I think by Fonterra is
Speaker 3: the sort of the opening milk price you can negotiate, right,
Speaker 3: so you can go up from there. That's the base,
Speaker 3: I think, But I mean, how frequently does the price
Speaker 3: rocket north of the base.
Speaker 14: I don't think I've ever seen it rocket, nor that
Speaker 14: price of Fonterras will not be competitive and they will
Speaker 14: have to increase the price they offer. We're seeing prices
Speaker 14: around the nine dollars a kilo mark in their sort
Speaker 14: of supply area, but once again that's probably short of
Speaker 14: where it needs to be. Fonterra are paying their dairy
Speaker 14: farmers in New Zealand the price of ten dollars a
Speaker 14: kilo New Zealand, which equates to about nine dollars twenty
Speaker 14: five after exchange, and I suggest that's the minimum our
Speaker 14: dairy farmers want to see as a price signal for
Speaker 14: them being appropriately valued, and even a little bit more
Speaker 14: than that would be good.
Speaker 3: However, these stories come to light, and they do on
Speaker 3: a cyclical basis, and the city wakes up to the
Speaker 3: fact that being a dairy farmers not about making rivers
Speaker 3: of gold, can be very difficult. The old debate about
Speaker 3: deregulation comes forward. Some say it, oh, it was better
Speaker 3: in the old days when we're all sort of individuals,
Speaker 3: and now others say no, no, no, there's strength in the collective.
Speaker 3: What's your take on the deregulation debate all these years on.
Speaker 14: It's definitely been challenging for farmers. That's demonstrated by the
Speaker 14: fall in the amount of milk we've produced and the
Speaker 14: number of farmers supplying that milk. There are elements of
Speaker 14: competition that I think are very very good for the
Speaker 14: economy and society generally, but we struggle in Australia with
Speaker 14: a heavily dominated domestic supermarket industry, and we saw Coles,
Speaker 14: Wilworth and now the reduce the price of freshmen last
Speaker 14: year when there's no way that price should have been
Speaker 14: going down, and if they were serious in responding to
Speaker 14: the needs of farmers, they would be increasing that price
Speaker 14: and passing it on immediately and it should never be
Speaker 14: going backwards. Farmers are, particularly dairy farmers, who operate relatively
Speaker 14: high volume, low margin businesses. We are arguably more exposed
Speaker 14: to inflationary pressures and input costs than the most businesses,
Speaker 14: and we have very little control over the price we
Speaker 14: sell our product for, and that is an issue as
Speaker 14: well as the extreme climatic pressures that we're seeing in
Speaker 14: parts of the country.
Speaker 3: You've got precious left, right and center. This is what
Speaker 3: some people, I guess don't understand. You've got the vagaries
Speaker 3: of mother nature and there's nothing you can do about that.
Speaker 3: But you face record costs. The electricity prices at the
Speaker 3: moment particularly must be staggering. In some cases. We discussed
Speaker 3: water shortages, so people are buying in water, they're buying
Speaker 3: in feed. There's intense financial pressure across the board. And
Speaker 3: of course dairy farming is a three sixty five day
Speaker 3: a year, twenty four to seven operation. The herd has
Speaker 3: to be milked twice a day. The average farmer is
Speaker 3: getting older. A lot of these metrics are pointing in
Speaker 3: the wrong direction for a healthy future.
Speaker 14: And that's where we'd be looking for price signals from
Speaker 14: our processes, supermarkets and indeed support from consumers to make
Speaker 14: sure that the Australian dairy industry continues to be able
Speaker 14: to supply the fresh, nutritious dairy products that we do
Speaker 14: now into the future with an increasing population, and that's
Speaker 14: looking a little bit unlikely the way things are heading.
Speaker 3: Soil paint a picture here for our city listeners. Let's
Speaker 3: say farmers like you just can't go on, or the
Speaker 3: next generation don't want to do it because they see
Speaker 3: how tough it is and how challenging it is even
Speaker 3: in good seasons. To make a quid, what does the
Speaker 3: availability of dairy Australian dairy look like in thirty years time.
Speaker 14: It involves trucks moving fresh milk around the country a
Speaker 14: lot more so, increase costs, increase carbon footprint if you will,
Speaker 14: And it probably involves the continued rise in imports of
Speaker 14: butter and cheese and other sort of more transportable dairy products.
Speaker 14: And in an extreme sort of scenario, it may mean
Speaker 14: long life milk is common in parts of Europe and
Speaker 14: other places instead of the fresh milk that we enjoy
Speaker 14: in Australia.
Speaker 3: Uh yep, right. So in the city a lot of
Speaker 3: people today public holiday. Of course, people will be going
Speaker 3: to the cafes if they're open, having their whatever lattes.
Speaker 3: Of course Australian milk. The basis of all of that,
Speaker 3: what's your message of the city for I hear all
Speaker 3: of this and say, look, we want to help, but
Speaker 3: we go to the supermarket to buy the milk because
Speaker 3: there's very little other places available where we can get it.
Speaker 3: So what's the message to the city folk, who has
Speaker 3: the spending power that in many respects decides a lot
Speaker 3: of this. What can we do?
Speaker 14: The first thing is probably grab an extra serve of
Speaker 14: a dairy product, an Australian dairy product, and that probably
Speaker 14: saves you from trying to worry about which brand you're purchasing.
Speaker 14: Just look for an Australian made one, because that will
Speaker 14: be milt from Australian dairy farmers, and that extra server yogurt,
Speaker 14: that extra ice cream or whatever it is is increasing
Speaker 14: the demand and the value of our industry. Then you're
Speaker 14: looking at which brands you purchase, and that is a
Speaker 14: complicated one. But again, if it's Australian made, it's supporting
Speaker 14: Australian farmers. Australian owned becomes a bit more complicated because
Speaker 14: several of our large processes in the country are foreign owned,
Speaker 14: but they're still using milk from Australian farmers, So sort
Speaker 14: of it is a challenge to pick the right brands,
Speaker 14: but one of the easiest ones would be Narco which
Speaker 14: is a farmer own cooperative on the North Coast and
Speaker 14: Queensland and their farmers have been in particular hit very
Speaker 14: hard by the floods and wet conditions up there. So
Speaker 14: if you've got access to that one. Obviously I'm a
Speaker 14: bigger supplier and bias towards bigger and dairy farmers, but
Speaker 14: generally any Australian made dairy product is supporting Australian farmers.
Speaker 3: I've got a couple of leaders in Norco and the
Speaker 3: Fridge actually, so I've done the right thing. Thankfully. I'm
Speaker 3: glad having spoken with you, Phil. I very much appreciate
Speaker 3: your time, all strength to your arm and indeed all
Speaker 3: of those are the dairy farmers, the backbone of the
Speaker 3: economy for many of us. Thank you, Phil, look.
Speaker 14: At pleasure and I appreciate the interest in what we're
Speaker 14: going through and the value of.
Speaker 3: The products produce anytime. Wonderful to speak Phil Ryan, a
Speaker 3: dairy farmer. Then in the Beaga Valley across the country
Speaker 3: there does seem to be a shortage of jps and
Speaker 3: the average JP is getting older now a bit like
Speaker 3: with the dairy farmer's story before the news. If those
Speaker 3: trends continue, We've got a bit of an issue. So
Speaker 3: what is involved in being a JP? How does one
Speaker 3: qualify to be a JP? Are there certain professions that
Speaker 3: are more likely to be represented among the ranks of
Speaker 3: the JPS than others? And what is it with this
Speaker 3: retesting that a number of view of raised has been
Speaker 3: a bit of an issue. Well, Merril Kane's the person
Speaker 3: to speak with. She's the vice president of the New
Speaker 3: South Wales Justices Association and she's with me on the line. Merrill,
Speaker 3: you're a good person doing this on a public holiday.
Speaker 3: Thank you for your time.
Speaker 15: Thank you, Michael. I'm very happy to be here.
Speaker 3: No rest for the JPS, you see, that's the message
Speaker 3: I'm sort of getting now. My late father was a JP.
Speaker 3: He was a teacher, and I might be wrong, but
Speaker 3: I sort of got the impression that a lot of
Speaker 3: teachers almost automatically rolled into being JPS once upon a time.
Speaker 3: Is that true or would he have had to have
Speaker 3: gone through some process at that time?
Speaker 15: He may well have, you know, if it was more
Speaker 15: than about five or six years ago, he could have
Speaker 15: would wouldn't have rolled in, but it would have been
Speaker 15: a very likely and easy candidate to become a JP.
Speaker 15: Most of our jps are people who've worked in a
Speaker 15: sort of customer service or with people and like to help,
Speaker 15: you know, enjoy helping people, and so there's a sort
Speaker 15: of people that do become jps. But nowadays it is
Speaker 15: a little bit more formal. You do have to register well,
Speaker 15: put in an application to become a JP, which you
Speaker 15: can do online, as so many things he's done, And
Speaker 15: there is, as you said, that you do have to
Speaker 15: sort of prove you're a person of good character and
Speaker 15: that you're not likely to be corrupted. So you have
Speaker 15: a police check and you can't be an unm what's
Speaker 15: the word. You can't have had bankruptcy issues or something
Speaker 15: like that. But there is also now a knowledge test,
Speaker 15: which is what you also raised about. I think it
Speaker 15: was probably about six years ago now a knowledge test
Speaker 15: came in for jps. And because you know it, it's
Speaker 15: a sort of thing when you it's not just a
Speaker 15: matter of you know, witnessing a signature. There are proper
Speaker 15: ways to do things, and for example, if you were
Speaker 15: witnessing a statutory deck cloration or a Afford David, there
Speaker 15: are in fact thirteen steps to be followed, so you
Speaker 15: need to do that properly, and you need to know
Speaker 15: that the client we call them clients, they're not customers,
Speaker 15: needs to be reassured that you know what you're doing.
Speaker 15: And therefore the Department of Communities and Justice brought in
Speaker 15: this knowledge test. Yes, put a few people off, but
Speaker 15: let's face it, from the public point of view, we
Speaker 15: want these people to know what they're doing and to
Speaker 15: be assured that they do know what they're doing.
Speaker 3: I understand that somebody earlier who seemed to have a
Speaker 3: I guess was originally termed a lifetime JP license, if
Speaker 3: I can put it that way. I think I got
Speaker 3: their nose a bit out of joint when they then
Speaker 3: had to go through the process, having been effectively told
Speaker 3: years ago, no, you do this once and you've got
Speaker 3: it for life. I wonder if a few people have
Speaker 3: communicated that annoyance.
Speaker 15: Well, that goes back a long time, actually, But yes,
Speaker 15: at one time jps were appointed for life. But again,
Speaker 15: this is not the way life is these days. And
Speaker 15: I think it was, Oh, I can't remember exactly the timing,
Speaker 15: but a good twenty five thirty years ago. The now,
Speaker 15: I can't remember exactly, but what was then the Department
Speaker 15: of Justice, I think reissued appointment and they just think
Speaker 15: that they had a lot of people on their books
Speaker 15: who no longer wanted to be act as jps, or
Speaker 15: they might have even died or moved away, or they
Speaker 15: couldn't find them, so they decided to re issue the
Speaker 15: appointments of JP's and the appointment now lasts for five years.
Speaker 3: Okay. Now, the title itself justice of the Peace, I
Speaker 3: mean it sounds almost feudal or something right from Middle Ages.
Speaker 3: It's so, I mean, where does that actually come from?
Speaker 3: A justice of the peace, because you're not out there
Speaker 3: maintaining law and order in the sense of the word piece.
Speaker 3: So do we know where that has its origins?
Speaker 15: Look, I was looking back on some of the history
Speaker 15: and while we're talking, I'm reaching for the bit of
Speaker 15: paper that I had. But it goes back to Richard
Speaker 15: the lion Heart. If you really want to go back
Speaker 15: to the beginning, we were appointed magistrates or justices to
Speaker 15: keep the peace in local areas. It goes back that
Speaker 15: far and they you know, then you know legal Over time,
Speaker 15: the legal process became much more formalized and training was
Speaker 15: much better, and the appointment of judges and magistrates was
Speaker 15: much more not constricted but controlled, and Justice of the
Speaker 15: peace the term is still used. In fact, our first
Speaker 15: Justice of the Peace in Australia was Governor Phillips, so
Speaker 15: we go that far and then he appointed people to
Speaker 15: assist with legal matters and that's really what we still do.
Speaker 15: We're not lawyers. We can't give legal advice. But if
Speaker 15: you need someone who is proven to be of good
Speaker 15: repute and to witness a document or certify that a
Speaker 15: document is a true copy of the original, for example
Speaker 15: booth steps and marriages certificates. It's often needed these days
Speaker 15: for people who are applying for jobs and they need
Speaker 15: certified copy to submit to the people that they're applying to.
Speaker 15: And you don't want to give original documents and they
Speaker 15: don't want to have to deal with it.
Speaker 3: No, obviously, No. I mean the reason we're speaking. I
Speaker 3: saw a story of the ABC based out of Victoria,
Speaker 3: and I know it's not a fact similar to what's
Speaker 3: happening in New South Wales necessarily, but I mean they're
Speaker 3: rapidly popular, growing population six and a half million people
Speaker 3: now in Victoria and there's less than three thousand, less
Speaker 3: than four thousand jps to service six and a half
Speaker 3: million people in Rising. It does seem the average age
Speaker 3: of the JP is increasing demographically. I guess something's going
Speaker 3: to have to be done to rectify that, because the
Speaker 3: JP's will be run off their feet.
Speaker 15: It's true, we're not is quite in that situation. In
Speaker 15: New South Wales we have at the moment a total
Speaker 15: of about sixty sixty four sixty five thousand jps. But
Speaker 15: we've got a bigger state population and we've got a
Speaker 15: bigger spread of countryside where those You know, if you're
Speaker 15: in Deniloquent and leader JP, it might be a lot
Speaker 15: harder than if you're in Bondi. But we are always
Speaker 15: looking for jps. I mean by the very nature of
Speaker 15: the job, and by law we are not allowed to
Speaker 15: be paid. So this is purely a voluntary job. And
Speaker 15: it is a job that, as you said, your father
Speaker 15: having been a school teacher, when he retired he became
Speaker 15: a JP. In fact, I was a pharmacist and when
Speaker 15: I retired I became a JP. So it's often a
Speaker 15: position that people take on in semi in retirement or
Speaker 15: semi retirement, and therefore your your life to continue to
Speaker 15: do that, your work is your you know the third
Speaker 15: age of working it is, you know, we can't keep
Speaker 15: going forever. It needs to continuing turnover of people.
Speaker 3: Really, it does just those listening that might be sort
Speaker 3: of saying, well, maybe I could do this, go through
Speaker 3: the process. How do they apply?
Speaker 9: It's very easy.
Speaker 15: In fact, most people these days have access to a
Speaker 15: computer or even you know as a computer in your phone.
Speaker 15: You're register with the Department of Communities and Justice an
Speaker 15: answer a lot of questions. It needs your state MP
Speaker 15: to support your application, but that's pretty much automatic. They
Speaker 15: will ask for permission to check out that you don't
Speaker 15: have the department that is that you don't have any
Speaker 15: criminal history, and you do this online test and that's
Speaker 15: an open book exam, so it's not really that challenging
Speaker 15: because if you don't know the answer, you can look
Speaker 15: it up.
Speaker 3: If only that were the case in the HS, life
Speaker 3: would win a lot easier for me.
Speaker 15: Well, that's what we would rather people got it right
Speaker 15: than get You do have to get one hundred percent right,
Speaker 15: but you do have a chance to look it up
Speaker 15: and take your time and think about it, because that's
Speaker 15: what we have to do when we're sitting on a
Speaker 15: JP desk or we have a client who was in
Speaker 15: front of us from what in one sense or another.
Speaker 3: And you would have access to those materials in those circumstances.
Speaker 3: I'm glad we spoke. We've clarified a few things there, Marylyn,
Speaker 3: and maybe, just maybe it's going to spur a few
Speaker 3: people into this form of service. Thank you for your time.
Speaker 15: Thank you, and I hope we do because it is
Speaker 15: a very rewarding thing to feel that you have helped
Speaker 15: someone in a time of well, I won't say crisis,
Speaker 15: but certainly tension.
Speaker 3: Indeed, wonderful to speak Merril Kane, as I said, the
Speaker 3: vice president of the New South Wales Justices Association, and
Speaker 3: an interesting insight there into the realm of the JP.
Speaker 3: It's twenty four past one, fingers crossed for the tech.
Speaker 3: It's twenty seven past one. Thank you for being with us.
Speaker 3: Don't forget drive with James Ward this week after the news.
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Speaker 3: and we'll be able to get that answered for you.
Speaker 3: I hope the team will look before we get to
Speaker 3: the news, though, what about this? I let me just
Speaker 3: have to die. I appreciate the NDIS is a very
Speaker 3: very important vehicle in the broader scheme of things, very important.
Speaker 3: The principle of it is right. The practice of it, though,
Speaker 3: I think, is sorely missing. I just struggle to believe,
Speaker 3: as the headlines say today that one in ten young
Speaker 3: children in Australia are using the NDIS. One in ten. Really,
Speaker 3: let me just think about that one in ten young
Speaker 3: children in Australia are now on the NDIS. Now, that
Speaker 3: statistic is in in some ways misleading because when you
Speaker 3: look at young boys and I'm just trying to find
Speaker 3: the exact figure here, it is well under fifteen's now
Speaker 3: make up seventy percent of the scheme's new participants, So
Speaker 3: seventy percent of the new participants filing into the ends
Speaker 3: fifteen years and younger. Fifteen percent of Australian six year
Speaker 3: old boys are on the ndis fifteen percent of boys
Speaker 3: six years old. How's that possible? And the reason I
Speaker 3: ask that is, I mean, well, you know what's going
Speaker 3: on a lot of the cases being put into it
Speaker 3: lately have been children with autism or diagnosed with I
Speaker 3: think as at stage two autism. I think that's the
Speaker 3: threshold you have to meet from memory. And there's some
Speaker 3: serious questions about whether some of these diagnoses are genuine
Speaker 3: or not. Not all, of course, but some, and that's
Speaker 3: worthy of discussion. But it does seem that one of
Speaker 3: the issues here is that a lot of people have
Speaker 3: been put into or onto the NDIS because there are
Speaker 3: not equivalent state based interventions that can be accessed. It's
Speaker 3: sort of NDS or bust, that seems to be the situation.
Speaker 3: So a lot of parents are saying, well, look, the
Speaker 3: child has to get on the NDS because if they don't,
Speaker 3: there's no support for whatever the condition happens to be.
Speaker 3: At any other level. Whatever support is there is just
Speaker 3: so mediocre you don't bother. That seems to be part
Speaker 3: of the issue. So look what's going on. I don't know,
Speaker 3: you know, the sort of people patting themselves on the
Speaker 3: back saying, oh, we've got the growth rate down. Yeah,
Speaker 3: well it's down to I think ten point six percent. Now,
Speaker 3: any government program growing it over three or four percent
Speaker 3: perandom is unsustainable. Ten point six percent, that's down from
Speaker 3: about thirteen. So, I mean they are there's a slight
Speaker 3: step in the right direction, but everywhere you look, I
Speaker 3: just I just don't understand how we've got to this
Speaker 3: point now. Surely, when the NDS was first in visged
Speaker 3: and sold to the public, I think it was Jenny
Speaker 3: Macklin and Julia Gillard and others, that Nicola Roxon might
Speaker 3: have been involved. I'm not anyway all of that.
Speaker 16: It was.
Speaker 3: It was that the most disabled would be given protection
Speaker 3: and care, and there was a sub narrative to it
Speaker 3: that if we could empower some of these people, we
Speaker 3: would lift national productivity because we would give them the
Speaker 3: right support that in some circumstances they could get into
Speaker 3: the workforce. Well, that doesn't seem to be happening, and
Speaker 3: I don't think anybody would have in any way envisaged
Speaker 3: that we now have. And I'm just trying to find
Speaker 3: the exact number here. It is seven hundred and seventeen
Speaker 3: thousand people according to the last quarter's numbers on the
Speaker 3: NDIS and growing seven hundred and seventeen thousand when the
Speaker 3: initial reports and Productivity Commission reviews and all of those
Speaker 3: forecasts that had thing like that. So we've just blown
Speaker 3: all of the initial estimates out of the water, and
Speaker 3: it's continuing to grow at a very unsustainable rate, although
Speaker 3: a tad slower than what I guess moment says the
Speaker 3: worst case scenario. No, I'm not saying people shouldn't be
Speaker 3: getting access, that they don't qualify, that they should be denied,
Speaker 3: none of that. But we seriously have to consider this.
Speaker 3: I mean, it is going to be unfundable going forward
Speaker 3: if we keep going at this rate. And I worry
Speaker 3: about so many young people, young boys, particularly being associated
Speaker 3: with the NDIS. I mean, are we sure, Are we
Speaker 3: certain that in the vast majority of cases they really
Speaker 3: should qualify, And if not, are we doing them a
Speaker 3: service or a disservice by gaining for their parents anyway
Speaker 3: access to some of the services available. I mean, these
Speaker 3: are questions, hard questions, but they do have to be
Speaker 3: discussed and debated in this country. I think one three,
Speaker 3: one eight seven three. All right, let's go to the
Speaker 3: news room. I think we've got all the tech. Kremlin
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Speaker 16: After that, good afternoon. Michael nine news correspondent Lauren Tomasi
Speaker 16: says she's fine after being shot in the lab with
Speaker 16: a rubber bullet while covering the riots in Los Angeles,
Speaker 16: where there's been a third day of protests. There are
Speaker 16: real concerns for a whale which is heading south instead
Speaker 16: of north. It's become entangled in twenty meters of rope,
Speaker 16: and a boy expert say it's in distress and needs
Speaker 16: to be cut free. Israeli forces have boarded and stopped
Speaker 16: at gas Abound AID boat carrying Greta Tumberg and other activists.
Speaker 16: They say those on board will be provided with sandwiches
Speaker 16: and water, then return to their home countries. And a
Speaker 16: runaway pet zebra, which has been on the loose for
Speaker 16: more than a week in the US, has been found
Speaker 16: and captured. Ed had to be airlifted to safety in Sport.
Speaker 16: The bulldogs are looking to return to the top of
Speaker 16: the inner A ladder when they take on the Eels
Speaker 16: in front of seventy thousand fans this afternoon. Young Gunlucky
Speaker 16: Galvin could make his deboo after a messy exit from
Speaker 16: the Tigers. He's been named on the interchange bench. And
Speaker 16: there'll be more news at two o'clock on afternoons.
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Speaker 3: Well, they are forecasting a possible shower today top of
Speaker 3: just fifteen in the city. The medium chance of showers
Speaker 3: most likely from the late morning now. I don't think
Speaker 3: we've seen them, not in this part of Sydney anyway,
Speaker 3: so if they are coming, they're still on the way.
Speaker 3: Penrith should be largely dry, but a top of fifteen
Speaker 3: Liverpool and Terry Hills might have a couple of drops.
Speaker 3: Terry Hills just a top of thirteen today it's pretty
Speaker 3: could Bondai fifteen, Campbelltown, Paramatta fourteen, Richmond fifteen Tomorrow sunny
Speaker 3: in eighteen. That's a bit of a change, isn't it,
Speaker 3: and then mostly sunny for Wednesday. A top of eighteen
Speaker 3: for the city Candra today, good to have you with
Speaker 3: two double c shower or two top of eleven Tugnong's
Speaker 3: the same morning frost and a partly cloudy fourteen on Tuesday.
Speaker 3: Wednesday somewhere between minus one and positive thirteen depending on
Speaker 3: the sundial morning frost and then partly cloudy Lithgo well
Speaker 3: a max of just six Today. Showers or snow at times,
Speaker 3: and you don't see the snow symbol too often, but
Speaker 3: there is orange. Will see some snow on a top
Speaker 3: of just five mudgie more likely I think rain or
Speaker 3: that it's very hard to do. That could be little
Speaker 3: snowflakes top of nine bathist eight, So I said, Lythgo six,
Speaker 3: Katombus seven, Springwood thirteen cloudy and top of nine on
Speaker 3: Tuesday for Lyfthgo very similar story. On Wednesday. You might
Speaker 3: be listening in some areas that get a little dusting
Speaker 3: of the white stuff. You can give us a call
Speaker 3: and let us know how beautiful. I think really have
Speaker 3: said this before, but it's true. There are lots of
Speaker 3: places around the world to get snow. Yeah, the Alps
Speaker 3: in these sort of areas in Europe, and they've got
Speaker 3: the pine trees and it all looks very pretty and nice.
Speaker 3: But when the white stuff falls on the Australian native bush,
Speaker 3: I think it's particularly beautiful. There's just something about the
Speaker 3: eucalypse and those native shrubs and the rocky outcrops and
Speaker 3: whatever that's sort of endemic to Australia. And then having
Speaker 3: a dusting of snow that maybe because it's so rare
Speaker 3: and unexpected, I don't know, but particularly I think appealing
Speaker 3: and aesthetic about that. Anyway, enough of my musings will
Speaker 3: take a break when we come back. Let's get in
Speaker 3: the motor vehicle and we'll talk Drive.
Speaker 1: Now on afternoons.
Speaker 3: Drive all right, let's catch up with James Ward, who's
Speaker 3: powering away on a public holiday Monday from drive dot com.
Speaker 3: Dot you you're a trooper? Gooday, James?
Speaker 17: Good hey mate?
Speaker 15: How are you?
Speaker 3: I'm all right? I mean to the irony is a
Speaker 3: lot of people have the day off, but the roads
Speaker 3: in some cases have never been busy because everyone's coming
Speaker 3: back into the town after being away for a few
Speaker 3: nights or whatever. It is a lot of people will
Speaker 3: be listening to us in the car note out seeing
Speaker 3: a sea of red tail lights. That'll be experienced in
Speaker 3: many many places now the saxicalls coming through, I wanted
Speaker 3: to raise with you. I saw a Genesis on the
Speaker 3: road the other day, four wheel drive as sorts, very
Speaker 3: very sixy looking rear, if I can put it that way.
Speaker 18: Yeah, they are looking a good looking rooster as they say,
Speaker 18: the Genesis this is and for people who don't know,
Speaker 18: this Islexus, the Lexus of Hyundai. So where Toyota has
Speaker 18: Lexus as a premium brand, Hyundai has Genesis and yeah
Speaker 18: they are they're pretty funky and inside that that design
Speaker 18: really continues, so definitely a special car. We get a
Speaker 18: lot of people thinking it's an Aston Martin or a
Speaker 18: Bentley because of some of the signage.
Speaker 17: And things, which is not a bad way to be confused.
Speaker 3: They wouldn't have been copying, would they.
Speaker 18: Well, look, you know, if you've got to if you've
Speaker 18: got to design influenced by something, why not why not
Speaker 18: start at the top.
Speaker 3: Yeah, quite, that's it, I think. So now car brands left,
Speaker 3: right and center are dropping offerings from their lineup. So
Speaker 3: what's happening with Mini?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 18: So look it's it's something very traditional Mini, the the
Speaker 18: well the English now German sports car, well sporting little
Speaker 18: little Hatch is losing its manual transmission.
Speaker 17: It's something that we've found.
Speaker 18: When the BMW owned Mini, the New Mini was first launched,
Speaker 18: it was only available with a manual. But now they've
Speaker 18: been gradually removing them from various options. It used to
Speaker 18: be just the s, then just the John Cooper Works versions.
Speaker 18: Now none of them get it because no one's ordering them.
Speaker 18: For a start, you've got a whole new generation of
Speaker 18: drivers who don't know how to drive a manual for
Speaker 18: a second thing, but also a manual is not as
Speaker 18: efficient as an automatic.
Speaker 17: It's not as fast as an automatic.
Speaker 18: And you've got some pretty clever gearboxes that BMW Mini
Speaker 18: are putting in these cars.
Speaker 17: They can be quite fun to drive.
Speaker 18: Sadly, the manuals just not worth investing in and continuing
Speaker 18: on with, so they're going to drop the manual.
Speaker 3: Okay, here's a question for you. Why when you go
Speaker 3: to Europe and you hire a car as I do
Speaker 3: every time because I like driving around and going to
Speaker 3: the little town something. Why are the automatics always more
Speaker 3: expensive to higher than the manuals? Is just because manuals
Speaker 3: still dominate in Europe? Or what's the story?
Speaker 17: No, Well, it's kind of a look.
Speaker 18: It used to be that way that you would a
Speaker 18: manual would be a cheaper car, and thus, you know,
Speaker 18: to get the automatic would be you'd be renting.
Speaker 17: A more expensive car.
Speaker 18: That's not the case these days, so it's kind of
Speaker 18: an old higher car trope, like you'll pay more for that,
Speaker 18: so you know, mister Hurts has to keep keep food
Speaker 18: on the table. But it used to be one of
Speaker 18: these things that my young daughter's learning to drive, and
Speaker 18: she said, she doesn't want to learn to drive a manual,
Speaker 18: And I said, but what if you travel to Europe
Speaker 18: to rent a car, they're all manual over there, hot tip,
Speaker 18: They're not. They're mostly automatic. And that's that's kind of
Speaker 18: the state of the world. So manual will start to
Speaker 18: be enthusiast. Only we know Porsche or persisting with it.
Speaker 18: We know some parts of BMW they're trying to but
Speaker 18: for the most part it will be phased out.
Speaker 3: Okay, I know nothing about what happens under bonnets and whatever.
Speaker 3: Is there a challenge with an electric vehicle and a
Speaker 3: manual gearbox?
Speaker 18: Yes, because you're not really changing gears with an electric car,
Speaker 18: because it's not really a gearbox you've got like the
Speaker 18: electric motor, and you've got a drive unit that's basically
Speaker 18: simulating gears and simulating the way that that feels. But
Speaker 18: it's essentially throttling the electric motor through just power delivery
Speaker 18: rather than even gearing.
Speaker 3: Okay, I was onto something there.
Speaker 18: It was it's like the idea of you know, charging
Speaker 18: for emails rather than you know, well, if you've got
Speaker 18: to put a postage stamp on regular mail, surely we
Speaker 18: could put a stamp on emails. That's where we are
Speaker 18: with with manuals and electric cars.
Speaker 17: It just it just won't.
Speaker 18: It doesn't doesn't match, and sadly it will start to
Speaker 18: phase out.
Speaker 3: All right, calls Phil's been waiting.
Speaker 12: High Phil, Good Lauria'm a good afternoon, gentlemen. Just speaking
Speaker 12: about manual and automatic. There was a piece shop that
Speaker 12: got raided. They stole the owner's keys and raced out.
Speaker 12: So I got in his car, a manual couldn't drive it.
Speaker 18: Well, we do say this if you if you want
Speaker 18: to protect your car, the best way to do it
Speaker 18: from from miscreant youth is to have a manual transmission,
Speaker 18: because none of them know how to drive.
Speaker 3: It's a question.
Speaker 12: I've got a mits to Mitchie Bajero, which is five
Speaker 12: years old. I looked at other cars and I really
Speaker 12: hate all this automatic stuff. I hate tact that you
Speaker 12: haven't got a key. I hate the fact that it
Speaker 12: tells you.
Speaker 8: How to drive.
Speaker 12: I hate the fact that it tries to push you
Speaker 12: into lanes. There's just really annoying. The cars are made
Speaker 12: for people who can't drive. I'm just wondering, is it
Speaker 12: worthwhile getting the timing chain redone and completely drive the car,
Speaker 12: or is it worthwhile getting rid of it and getting
Speaker 12: something I don't like?
Speaker 18: Look, honestly, because it's you behind the wheel, I would
Speaker 18: invest in getting the Pagero's engine rebuilt and give it
Speaker 18: another quarter of a million kilometers on that. There are
Speaker 18: a great car, the Pagero's. They're very capable. Because you've
Speaker 18: got all the things you like in that car, You're
Speaker 18: just not going to get it in anything else. The
Speaker 18: most old school new car you can buy these days
Speaker 18: is either a seventy series Toyota land Cruiser or the
Speaker 18: Innios Grenadier, and one of them is basically a look
Speaker 18: it's a nineteen eighties relic that's kind of.
Speaker 17: Masquerading is a bit of an icon.
Speaker 18: Some people love them, but they're pretty rudimentary, And the
Speaker 18: Granadier is a pretty expensive proposition. It's like a flashy
Speaker 18: pair of gun but it's very cool, but it's probably
Speaker 18: not at the right end. I would reinvest in the
Speaker 18: Pagero and have the car you love, because, yeah, driver
Speaker 18: assistance and modern technology is just everywhere.
Speaker 3: Now, all right, good on your feel From Phil to John.
Speaker 3: Hello John, Oh yeah, good mate.
Speaker 7: I'm ringing up about two cars. The Toyota G four.
Speaker 9: What do you think of a mate?
Speaker 17: The G four, which I.
Speaker 5: Think it's the g it's sixty thousand. The Toyota is
Speaker 5: a sporty looking thing.
Speaker 17: Oh, the GR the GR.
Speaker 18: So you've got a GR Yarrisson, You've got a GR Corolla.
Speaker 17: Yeah.
Speaker 18: So the GR stands for Gazoo Racing, which is Toyota's
Speaker 18: performance arm. And you can get a sporty Corolla, which
Speaker 18: feels like an oxymoron, and you can get a sporty Yarras.
Speaker 18: They are both an absolute hoot, really good fun kind
Speaker 18: of the things to drive. It kind of like a
Speaker 18: Golf GTI but a Toyota. It's still very Toyota at
Speaker 18: the base level. But that GR Corolla particularly Yeah, it's
Speaker 18: a load of fun. And if that's what you're after,
Speaker 18: you get Toyota reliability with a big smile on your face.
Speaker 17: So that's nice blend.
Speaker 3: Nice. Okay, Well, I'm john SONIL. Good afternoon Sonil.
Speaker 19: Yeah, Hi, thanks for taking like auto. I've got a
Speaker 19: Tona Highlander twenty model.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 19: I was looking at the Cherry twenty twenty four. Should
Speaker 19: I flop it or should I just stick with the Highlander?
Speaker 18: Look, the Cherries are actually a pretty impressive value proposition.
Speaker 18: You've got, I think the basic one, the Tigo four
Speaker 18: starts at like twenty four thousand dollars, so you get
Speaker 18: a lot of car for your money with the Cherry.
Speaker 18: The other one to look at might be Cherry's fancy brand.
Speaker 18: Like at the top of the show we talked about
Speaker 18: Genesis being the premium brand of Herendai, if it's even possible,
Speaker 18: there is a premium brand of Cherry called Jaku, which
Speaker 18: again still very value oriented.
Speaker 17: Quite a nice little car, and I just drove.
Speaker 18: The They've got a plug in hybrid that can do
Speaker 18: over one thousand k so I did about eleven hundred
Speaker 18: k's on a tank driving from Melbourne to Sydney, so
Speaker 18: really effortless efficiency and it allows you to drive fully
Speaker 18: electric if you really want to. But you've got that
Speaker 18: range capability in that car with petrol engine, So maybe
Speaker 18: look at that as something a bit interesting. Because the
Speaker 18: Highland is a nice spec car. You're getting a lot
Speaker 18: of equipment with it. Maybe look at the Jacu as
Speaker 18: well as the as the Cherry.
Speaker 3: Got on you. So, Neil, good question. Paul on the
Speaker 3: Tech says he's got a Pajero, got six hundred thousand
Speaker 3: out of it before a rebuild.
Speaker 18: This is it, like you know, they don't make them
Speaker 18: what they used to. So I really think to reinvest
Speaker 18: into the PADJ to get it. If it's going to
Speaker 18: be a couple of grand to get that engine rebuilt
Speaker 18: to give it some more life and it does everything
Speaker 18: you want, that's probably not a bad not a bad
Speaker 18: way to go.
Speaker 3: All right now, Charlie, you haven't seen the name Datson
Speaker 3: for a while. Hello, Charlie Good. Yeah, what's the question?
Speaker 5: Misson Z three hundred?
Speaker 7: Yes, sports car to.
Speaker 18: So good fun and you've got so you've got there's
Speaker 18: now the four hundred, so it's just called the Nissan Z.
Speaker 18: Then previously there was a three point fifty, then a
Speaker 18: three seventy because it was going with a three point
Speaker 18: five and a three point seven.
Speaker 17: They're really good fun. The new one, the four hundred,
Speaker 17: It really.
Speaker 18: Is a cool looking car, lots of fun to drive,
Speaker 18: a little bit old school in the way that it
Speaker 18: feels so, and I think Niss and there were always
Speaker 18: pretty keen to do a good deal on one of those.
Speaker 18: So yeah, a really really cool looking, head turning, fun
Speaker 18: car to drive, and you get a ten year warranting,
Speaker 18: which is not a bad thing.
Speaker 3: I got on you, Charlie. Up here it said dats
Speaker 3: in three oh seven Z so is that is that
Speaker 3: the same thing as well?
Speaker 18: Datson Datson was obviously niss and before this and became
Speaker 18: this and that was the previous brand, and they had
Speaker 18: the member they launched I think with the two six
Speaker 18: two forty, then the two sixty. Yes, then there was
Speaker 18: a two to eighty z X. Then there were a
Speaker 18: couple of three hundred zx's with the target top roof
Speaker 18: and all that kind of stuff. But the modern ones, yeah,
Speaker 18: launched as the three point fifty was the first modern
Speaker 18: Z car improved in the three seventy, but now it
Speaker 18: is a four hundred, but it's just called the this
Speaker 18: and Z.
Speaker 3: There you go. Okay, thank you, Charlie. Now hang on
Speaker 3: there for a moment. James Texas coming in here from
Speaker 3: Michelle says, currently standing still on the N one traffic
Speaker 3: heading southbound, just after Pete's rejects it. Where texting is? There?
Speaker 3: Really isn't much else to do there, haven't we? Just?
Speaker 3: It's ten to two more after this. A man in
Speaker 3: high demand is mister James Ward from drive dot com
Speaker 3: Dot you a few more minutes here, Let's get through
Speaker 3: as many as we can. Chris, what's your question for James?
Speaker 5: Hi?
Speaker 20: There, Hi, I've got an eighties the very last of
Speaker 20: the eighty series land Cruises. Yes, and it has a
Speaker 20: beautiful it's just incredible and it's also been adjusted a
Speaker 20: lot for super climbing stuff. But it's got a petrol engine.
Speaker 20: The petrol engine is beautiful, but it uses petrol. Yeah,
Speaker 20: I'm wondering is it possible to change that to a
Speaker 20: diesel or have you got to change the automatic transmission
Speaker 20: as well?
Speaker 18: Look, the engine swaps on the land Cruises pretty much.
Speaker 18: If you can think of an option, somebody has already
Speaker 18: done it.
Speaker 17: So have a look.
Speaker 18: Online to see some of the land cruiser owner groups
Speaker 18: to see where it is swapping the petrol to the diesel. Yeah, look,
Speaker 18: I'm sure there will be plenty of specialist workshops who
Speaker 18: have done this before and we'll basically be able to
Speaker 18: do that relatively easy for you. So you do have
Speaker 18: a look online and see. But I don't know if
Speaker 18: you need to change the transmission as well, but that's
Speaker 18: kind of getting down a very technical rabbit hole on
Speaker 18: a specific level. But being a land cruiser, there will
Speaker 18: be someone, So maybe check out some online whether their
Speaker 18: Facebook groups are online clubs, to see if any land
Speaker 18: cruise or owners have been down this path before.
Speaker 3: Okay, there you go, Chris. Now you've come across a
Speaker 3: little story here that in Mexico the police over there
Speaker 3: are now changing what the entire fleet is it to
Speaker 3: the BYD Shark six.
Speaker 18: Yes, so yeah, we're seeing a lot of the BYD
Speaker 18: Shark on the road here. Now this is the plug
Speaker 18: in hybrid use so it was the first plug in
Speaker 18: hybrid to launch. We've now got a I think there's
Speaker 18: a GWM Canon Alpha that's to plug in. But the
Speaker 18: Shark is is kind of cool, but it is actually.
Speaker 17: Built in Mexico.
Speaker 18: So this is a local car for them, and they've
Speaker 18: moved it to their police fleet. And look, if you
Speaker 18: watch the news or any number of Hollywood movies, you
Speaker 18: see the poor old Mexican blize.
Speaker 17: Get a pretty.
Speaker 18: Tough time over there. So what you see them is
Speaker 18: they ride around in the back of these things holding
Speaker 18: onto roll bars.
Speaker 17: And in the story.
Speaker 18: We've got some photos of the Mexican speck sharks there.
Speaker 18: But yeah, look, it's interesting to move to the smaller
Speaker 18: Shark when you consider most of the American pickups that
Speaker 18: they would be using, a Ford F Series or the
Speaker 18: Chevy Silverado.
Speaker 17: They're a bigger vehicle.
Speaker 18: So the Shark is a bit smaller, but it's pretty
Speaker 18: pretty powerful. We know it's over three hundred killoots when
Speaker 18: you're getting the power delivery from the electric and petrol
Speaker 18: engine at the same time. It's quite an interesting one,
Speaker 18: but a very handy contract for bid to have won
Speaker 18: there in the US too, well in Mexico. Sorry to
Speaker 18: see that. Yeah, the Shark on the road policing the nation.
Speaker 3: Indeed, all right, well, they'll have their work cut out
Speaker 3: for them. James, great to speak. Thank you for fronting
Speaker 3: up on the public holiday, and we'll speak again very shortly.
Speaker 17: Always a pleasure to talk scene all the best.
Speaker 3: James Warred there from Drive.
Speaker 2: Now onto gb Network stations. Back to afternoons with Michael McLaren.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you. Into the third hour we go, Jee,
Speaker 3: it's gone fast already today, so much feedback. I thought
Speaker 3: public Holiday Monday, it's cold, it'd be really quiet and
Speaker 3: we just sort of plod along and get through. But
Speaker 3: it's been incredibly busy. We'll keep it going for the
Speaker 3: next fifty or say minutes one, three, one, eight seven three.
Speaker 3: I'll catch up with Mark Leevy shortly. Mark just never stops,
Speaker 3: is the energizer Bunny. He'll be out at the Olympic Stadium,
Speaker 3: big football match this afternoon, and there will be a
Speaker 3: bit of traffic chaos, i'd imagine come six or seven
Speaker 3: o'clock there as people leave because others will be coming
Speaker 3: in for this Katie Perry concert, so it'll be be
Speaker 3: a nice place to avoid if you don't have to
Speaker 3: be there, I suppose later in the day I will
Speaker 3: also catch up with one of our latest recipients of
Speaker 3: the Order of Australia, Roger Franz and extraordinary human being.
Speaker 3: You probably haven't heard the name. But that's why these awards,
Speaker 3: the King's Birthday honors are important because, as said at
Speaker 3: the top of the show, you can elevate people that
Speaker 3: don't have the platform but have done incredible work in
Speaker 3: whatever field is their chosen field of expertise, and where
Speaker 3: we can learn about them, we can learn about why
Speaker 3: what they do is important for the economy, for the country.
Speaker 3: And the work that Roger has done in space and
Speaker 3: in engineering is vital and it's not just sort of
Speaker 3: esoterical theoretical. We are using all of these things that
Speaker 3: he has worked on in applications in our everyday life.
Speaker 3: They're tangible. We may not appreciate it or understand it,
Speaker 3: but Roger will explain some of that for us. Look
Speaker 3: for to speaking with him. I'm told he's a real
Speaker 3: gentleman later in the hour, So stay with us. Track
Speaker 3: of the day. Everything else coming up as well. One three, one, eight,
Speaker 3: seven three. As I said, we've got a few more
Speaker 3: updates about Greta and friends on this boat heading to Israel.
Speaker 3: They've been intercepted them in given sandwiches or something like that.
Speaker 3: They'll be sent on their way. They won't make it,
Speaker 3: but the Swedish climate campaigner and a bunch of others
Speaker 3: on this vessel have also before they are turned around,
Speaker 3: I believe will also be shown a forty five minute
Speaker 3: video of the October seven massacre. Once they arrive at
Speaker 3: the port of ash Dodd. The Australian will, via the
Speaker 3: AFP reporting of the Israeli Defense Minister Israel Katz has
Speaker 3: told the military which is towing the vessel they're on
Speaker 3: the mad Leen to Israel, to screen this so I'll
Speaker 3: get a bit of a different perspective, perhaps about the
Speaker 3: whole situation from October seven, twenty twenty three. Now, I
Speaker 3: don't pretend that that is an isolated incident. This is
Speaker 3: an ongoing geopolitical situation in that part of the world
Speaker 3: that goes right back to the foundation of the state
Speaker 3: of Israel. But there are some people, because perhaps they
Speaker 3: want to ignorantly be blind to the whole story, are
Speaker 3: just looking at tiny little slithers of that narrative, of
Speaker 3: that historical narrative, and selecting which ones they want to
Speaker 3: read and learn about and which ones they want to ignore. Now,
Speaker 3: I mean Greta's sort of pivoted here from Darling of
Speaker 3: the Climate Cause to the darling of the gars Are cause,
Speaker 3: as it were. But you know, whether anybody on the
Speaker 3: ground in Gaza knows that she's coming is anybody's guess.
Speaker 3: And of course she won't make it, nor will the
Speaker 3: supplies that were on the boat. I think they left
Speaker 3: Sicily on Friday from memory and the you know, they
Speaker 3: were heading eastern. They've been intercepted and the rest of it.
Speaker 3: So that'll be the end of that story for now.
Speaker 3: But you know, there's a part of me that the
Speaker 3: cynical part that says, you know, how much of this
Speaker 3: is actually about the activists as opposed to the cause.
Speaker 3: You know, is there not more than just a whiff
Speaker 3: of narcissism about the way they do these things? Okay,
Speaker 3: they drum up attention, and that's what they want. They
Speaker 3: want the state of Israel to look horrible. You know,
Speaker 3: they're denying these people food and medicine and oh here
Speaker 3: we are riding in to help people. And okay, but
Speaker 3: the way you deal with these complicated situations, if you
Speaker 3: have some clout, and Greta for good or for bad,
Speaker 3: has clout at the United Nations and the diplomatic level,
Speaker 3: the way you deal with these things isn't to hop
Speaker 3: on a boat and sail east and sort of wave
Speaker 3: your arms around as the cameras come within shot. The
Speaker 3: way to do it is behind the scenes, diplomatically. You
Speaker 3: do it quietly and you work to get the end
Speaker 3: result that you apparently desire. So obviously that's not worked,
Speaker 3: and Grea will be heading back to Sweden at some
Speaker 3: point now just on the climate issue, not trying to
Speaker 3: pivot deliberately here, but as way of a segue, there's
Speaker 3: a fascinating piece by Nick Toscano and The Herald. Now
Speaker 3: many people probably haven't seen it, but it is a
Speaker 3: bit of a wake up call in the realism that
Speaker 3: is required with this transition as we verbert to renewable energy. Now, Australia,
Speaker 3: as I keep saying, is trying to do what no
Speaker 3: other continent is attempting to do. Power the entire joint
Speaker 3: on solar and wind with some bactory backup and hydro,
Speaker 3: but we have limited hydro capacity because of our topography.
Speaker 3: Gas will be in the mix as the savior. But
Speaker 3: of course you've got a lot of state jurisdictions that
Speaker 3: are trying to stop gas extraction, and so whether it's
Speaker 3: going to be available and the volumes required is anybody's guess.
Speaker 3: I mean, at the moment, I doubt SOUL is producing
Speaker 3: too much across part of Greater Sydney. For example, the
Speaker 3: wind turbines with the snowy conditions, I'm not sure what
Speaker 3: they're doing. So you've got to have a reliable backup now.
Speaker 3: As Nick Toscano reports, this isn't used to some of
Speaker 3: the big energy users. We're used to talk about aluminium
Speaker 3: smelters near Tomicgo in these sort of places, blue Scope Steel.
Speaker 3: They remain big users. But for the economy that is coming,
Speaker 3: it will be the data centers that are the hungry
Speaker 3: beasts on the energy Pie and microstoft, Google, Amazon. They
Speaker 3: understand this because they are the users. Now, as He's writes,
Speaker 3: these three big players are urging the Albanezy government to
Speaker 3: beat up the delivery of energy storage projects that can
Speaker 3: guarantee around the clock power for the data centers. Now
Speaker 3: they've had to do this because the coalition were trounced
Speaker 3: and so nuclear isn't going to be part of the mix,
Speaker 3: at least for the next three years, if ever. So
Speaker 3: a boom in the number of these data centers right
Speaker 3: around the world but it's happening here. Certainly a lot
Speaker 3: out at mcquarie Park, and there's a few starting to
Speaker 3: pop up I think around Gore Hill. These loom as
Speaker 3: one of the next tests for Australia's shift from coal
Speaker 3: to renewables, because renewables aren't reliable, and that is the
Speaker 3: data centers require huge amounts of power to run and
Speaker 3: to keep cool, meaning there's extra strain on the grid.
Speaker 3: You know, forget all these electric vehicles are going to
Speaker 3: have to be charged. These things, as I said, are
Speaker 3: going to be very thirsty for juice. Twenty four seven. Now, Microsoft,
Speaker 3: Google and Amazon are among a group of industrial power
Speaker 3: users and clean energy developers stepping up their calls to
Speaker 3: the federal government for not just an ambitious renew wall target,
Speaker 3: you know, eighty two percent of the grid and they
Speaker 3: support all that sort of stuff, but one that simultaneously
Speaker 3: fast tracks projects with the capacity to store surplus power
Speaker 3: from the growing number of solar panels of wind turbines
Speaker 3: to cover the gaps when it's not sunny or windy. Now,
Speaker 3: if they can achieve that, it'll be in everyone's best
Speaker 3: interests because the same deficits that threaten the data centers
Speaker 3: threaten us in the broader economy when we go to
Speaker 3: turn on the lights. Now they've apparently written a letter
Speaker 3: to the Energy Minister, Chris Bowen. I hope it was
Speaker 3: all very simple English and the international group known as
Speaker 3: the Long Duration Energy Storage Council, it is warning that
Speaker 3: a renewable grid is quite only as strong as its
Speaker 3: ability to deliver power when and where it's needed. That's
Speaker 3: a convoluted way of saying reliability is key. Now Microsoft
Speaker 3: and other technology companies in the United States, and you've
Speaker 3: probably heard about this, are increasingly turning to nuclear power.
Speaker 3: And they're doing that so that they can meet their
Speaker 3: dual objectives simultaneously. One to have net zero electricity, but
Speaker 3: two to make sure that twenty four to seven electricity
Speaker 3: is available. Now nuclear can do that, renewables can't on
Speaker 3: their own. They need secondary technologies and Facebook and Instagram's
Speaker 3: parent company, that's Meta. Last week, it says here assigned
Speaker 3: a twenty year deal to secure a nuclear power to
Speaker 3: help meet surging demand for AI and to United Nations
Speaker 3: report out. Just in fact, last Thursday, set electricity consumption
Speaker 3: by data centers increased twelve percent and has done each
Speaker 3: year twelve percent from twenty seventy to twenty twenty three,
Speaker 3: four times faster than the generic global electricity growth. So
Speaker 3: now I guess you'd say, dear, I say, using the pun,
Speaker 3: they're at the coal face, these people minus the coal,
Speaker 3: and they are saying, you know, it's all well good
Speaker 3: to have these renewable targets, folks, but you've got to
Speaker 3: be able to back it up with a reliability capacity.
Speaker 3: I keep saying nuclear could have done it, but the
Speaker 3: Australian public have decided that's not going to be part
Speaker 3: of the mix, certainly for the next three years. I
Speaker 3: suspect it's gone and done and dusted for a while.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't rule it out long term, but I think
Speaker 3: for quite a while nuclears finished, and we're going to
Speaker 3: have to invest heavily in battery storage and other forms
Speaker 3: of storage to ensure that the unreliables can be more reliable,
Speaker 3: not just for the status quo for energy use, but
Speaker 3: the increasing demand on the grid when the data centers
Speaker 3: proliferate and the electric vehicles proliferate and greater demand is realized.
Speaker 3: I just hope all of those well paid bureaucrats are
Speaker 3: across the brief because if they ate, we're in some strife.
Speaker 3: We'll catch up with Mark Levy shortly out at the
Speaker 3: Olympic Stadium big footy match coming up. When we wrap
Speaker 3: up here one three, one eight seven three, A lot
Speaker 3: of text message is still coming through about all the
Speaker 3: different issues we've discussed so far. Greg makes the point
Speaker 3: that why do we have to invest in order that
Speaker 3: Microsoft and Meta have a reliable power supplied. They've got
Speaker 3: revenues rivaling the GDP of most countries. Let them research
Speaker 3: and buy their own batteries and if they can't do it, well,
Speaker 3: then they can, as Greek says bugger Off. Okay, well,
Speaker 3: look I have some sympathy with that, but I guess
Speaker 3: the point they're making is if Australia doesn't have nuclear
Speaker 3: power as part of its legal energy mix, then we're
Speaker 3: going to have to come up with alternatives, not just
Speaker 3: indeed for the demands of the economy of the future,
Speaker 3: which they have a significant stake in, granted, but for
Speaker 3: everybody's sake. And so I guess Gregor, I appreciate the
Speaker 3: point you raised, and I understand and I sympathize with
Speaker 3: that sentiment, but really they are sounding a warning here
Speaker 3: that I think we will all benefit from if we
Speaker 3: can come to some sort of resolution. Back to the JPS,
Speaker 3: Michael says, everyone's using the plural JPS, but surely it
Speaker 3: should be j's P as Injustices of the Peace singular.
Speaker 3: I think that's right, but j's P sort of you
Speaker 3: might get the wrong impression and people say, who's Jay
Speaker 3: and what's wrong with him? You know? So anyway, I
Speaker 3: take your point, Thank you, Michael. Back to the NDS.
Speaker 3: Note here from someone says, my ten year old son
Speaker 3: has dyslexia. He's struggling really badly, but the school recognizes
Speaker 3: this and we're spending six thousand dollars a year to
Speaker 3: get out of school education help. We've been advised to
Speaker 3: find a doctor who'll diagnose him with autism, which he
Speaker 3: doesn't have, because without that he'll never get even basic
Speaker 3: help at school. This is the problem, and this is
Speaker 3: why the NDS is growing like topsy, because there is
Speaker 3: this going on to get in and get you get
Speaker 3: the income from the NDIS, you get the autism stage
Speaker 3: two diagnosis, and you're in without it, you struggle and
Speaker 3: you've got to find the money yourself, and a lot
Speaker 3: of people can't, Simon. I appreciate that. I thank you
Speaker 3: very much. One three one eight seven three.
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Speaker 3: Well, you would have heard him between nine and twelve,
Speaker 3: and he's backing up the Great Mark Levy. He's made
Speaker 3: his way from Piermont out to the big Olympic Stadium.
Speaker 3: There's a big atmosphere there. They're expecting a big crowd,
Speaker 3: dogs and eels.
Speaker 21: Hello Mark, Hello, Yes, Michael, it's been such a while
Speaker 21: since we last spoke, but I said earlier that I'm
Speaker 21: really looking forward to this. So we've got people up
Speaker 21: on the extreme top deck of the grandstand, which usually
Speaker 21: indicates we've got a crowd of about sixty seventy thousand,
Speaker 21: so from all reports, we will be pushing that seventy
Speaker 21: thousand mark. I'm reliably told that outside the stadium, the precinct,
Speaker 21: the hive of activity, bulldogs supporters walking across from Paramatta
Speaker 21: Road as well. So we're going to have a great
Speaker 21: atmosphere for a clash between two Western Sydney rivals, Paramatta
Speaker 21: and Canterbury. I'm just looking at the Bulldogs down out there.
Speaker 21: They've just arrived, they've wandered out onto the field. Lucky
Speaker 21: Galvin's had a couple of photos and he's gonna make
Speaker 21: his club debut.
Speaker 3: And don't talk about it around the bench. Don't talk
Speaker 3: about Locklan Galvin please. Well you know what it is,
Speaker 3: what it is.
Speaker 21: It's done now, so I'm just glad we don't have
Speaker 21: to talk about it anymore. Look for his sake, I
Speaker 21: just abe he plays well. You know, all the noise
Speaker 21: disappears when you play good football. And all he needs
Speaker 21: to worry about now is training hard, playing good football.
Speaker 21: And I'll get his opportunity to do that today. And obviously,
Speaker 21: with a few Origin teammates in that Bulldog side, the
Speaker 21: Paramatta Eels have a couple of Origin players in there
Speaker 21: as well, I think we're in for a quality game
Speaker 21: of football. There is an issue, though, Michael. I've shouted
Speaker 21: some coffees for the boys, just to give us a
Speaker 21: little pickup for today, and I thought I saw some
Speaker 21: maltesers sitting on the shelf. So I've bought a box
Speaker 21: of Maltesers for the team. How much, Let's just say,
Speaker 21: in excess of nine dollars. It says king Share on
Speaker 21: the box. But it's a sixty grand box of Maltesers.
Speaker 21: There's about twenty Malteesers in it. So I'm outraged to.
Speaker 3: Did you get any said Malteesers or they all been
Speaker 3: hoovering up.
Speaker 21: Well, Piggy gave me back the box and there was
Speaker 21: one left in it, and he said, oh, well, you
Speaker 21: ate the ball. I said no, I didn't, and Darryl
Speaker 21: chimed him with it.
Speaker 3: I've had ten. Anyway, you got another problem when you
Speaker 3: try to leave. I think the Katy Perry fans are
Speaker 3: turning up for the concert.
Speaker 21: Well, Piggy just told me that. He said, Cady Perry's
Speaker 21: on next door, and I said, well, let's do an
Speaker 21: all night at Piggy. We'll go next door and dance
Speaker 21: away with Katy Perry.
Speaker 4: What do you reckon?
Speaker 3: He's probably already got tickets.
Speaker 21: He me, what else does she sing?
Speaker 4: Michael?
Speaker 3: She'd be on your playlist as you would. That's something
Speaker 3: about a plastic bag or were they sing something about
Speaker 3: a plastic bag and a wind or something. A plastic bag.
Speaker 3: Well maybe you're a firework or something, isn't it that's
Speaker 3: there too, wouldn't have plassy bag any.
Speaker 21: Well, I've heard I've heard that about your zoo champion.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks, make yes, Well, there might be a few
Speaker 3: five works in the car. He's an idea. Why don't
Speaker 3: you get Katie Perry before? She'll be there warming up
Speaker 3: as professionals do. Why don't you get her in for
Speaker 3: the final ten minutes of the match. Get her in
Speaker 3: the box she can call the final ten minutes with you.
Speaker 21: Well, I've actually just had an email from Kayperry at
Speaker 21: gmail dot com boys looking forward to your call this afternoon.
Speaker 21: So she'll be listening on the way out here to
Speaker 21: the what do they call it next door the Superdome,
Speaker 21: Kidos Bank Arena something, So she'll be tuned in for
Speaker 21: the last ten minutes of the footy before she gets
Speaker 21: into makeup and gets an outfit on and all that
Speaker 21: sort of thing and starts building away her tunes off,
Speaker 21: which we know none.
Speaker 3: Big fans, well big fan of yours. Big game coming up?
Speaker 3: Who's going to prevail?
Speaker 21: Look, you've got to tip the bulldogs but I don't
Speaker 21: think it's as clear cut as some people are making
Speaker 21: out the Paramatteriels are certainly a team on the improve
Speaker 21: and you look at the likes of Bitual Moses and
Speaker 21: even Zach Lomax who have played Origin football, and you
Speaker 21: know they've grown with that experience. So look last week
Speaker 21: at eighteen ten lost to the Panthers and the Battle
Speaker 21: of the West. They'll be better for that and they
Speaker 21: were certainly in the contest. So I think the Eels
Speaker 21: are going to be competitive, but I think Canna reill win.
Speaker 3: All right, great, look forward to the call. Thank you, Mark, you,
Speaker 3: Margot all the best, Mark leave you. Then the continuous
Speaker 3: Call team they'll be following straight after me. Know Sydney.
Speaker 3: Now we've got the big football match and that's what's
Speaker 3: happening in Sydney this afternoon, so it's appropriate there on
Speaker 3: the Eels and the Dogs and Lockey. Galvin making his
Speaker 3: debut and the Blue and White. I wish him luck.
Speaker 3: I mean he's made his decision. Good luck to him
Speaker 3: and I hope it works out for him. Now before
Speaker 3: we get the news, of course, Coco Goff had a
Speaker 3: reasonable French open, didn't she. But it was a bit
Speaker 3: of an awkward first round for miss Goff. She forgot
Speaker 3: I think what some would say is a kind of
Speaker 3: critical piece of kit if you're going to go and
Speaker 3: be playing a professional tennis match, that is, her rackets
Speaker 3: turned up to the match without tennis rackets. Now, of course,
Speaker 3: you know, being a superstar in the world of tennis,
Speaker 3: they found replacements in a way they go. But I
Speaker 3: thought i'd ask you this afternoon one three, one eight
Speaker 3: seven three, where have you gone and forgot something kind
Speaker 3: of crucial? You gone to a birthday party and left
Speaker 3: the present behind? Have you I don't know, maybe a
Speaker 3: photographer or something, and you had the duties to do
Speaker 3: a wedding and you turned up to someone's very special
Speaker 3: day and you left the camera at home, or I mean,
Speaker 3: what was it. You might have been at a piano
Speaker 3: recital and you know, you're not like one of those
Speaker 3: superstars that you know, can do it all off the
Speaker 3: top of their head. You kind of need the music,
Speaker 3: the sheet music, and you left it, I don't know,
Speaker 3: on the kitchen table or whatever it was. I'd imagine
Speaker 3: I'm speaking on behalf of a few people here. If
Speaker 3: I suggested you might have been one of the gentlemen
Speaker 3: who was nominated as the best man and left the
Speaker 3: rings at home. I think there was a few movies
Speaker 3: where certain things were exchange for weddings at a funeral
Speaker 3: comes to mind. I think they had a situation like that,
Speaker 3: didn't they. One three one eight seven three. So you've
Speaker 3: sort of you know, I don't know. I went to
Speaker 3: the shops and forgot the list, and don't worry about that.
Speaker 3: But yes, it's something that is kind of key, something
Speaker 3: kind of important, and you had a big role. You had,
Speaker 3: you know, one job to do, as they say, and
Speaker 3: you're stuffed. If you've got a story, I wouldn't mind
Speaker 3: hearing it. One three one eight seven three. I will
Speaker 3: confess because my wife will remind me if she happens
Speaker 3: to be listening. And I don't mention this that when
Speaker 3: we first went to Europe together, meet the in laws
Speaker 3: and something future in laws as it were. Part of
Speaker 3: the itinery was we were going to have a bit
Speaker 3: of a trip through Italy. So okay, got there. My
Speaker 3: wife's the organized one, being dramatic. I sort of yeah, Australian,
Speaker 3: it'll all be okay. So we turn up to the
Speaker 3: airport in Germany, and we're flying down to Naples I
Speaker 3: think it was, and we get there early in the morning,
Speaker 3: it's one of those early flights, and we hop out
Speaker 3: of the taxi who managed to do about one hundred
Speaker 3: and ninety three thousand kilometers down the auto barn got
Speaker 3: us in four minutes or something and said, okay, we've
Speaker 3: got everything, got bags, you've got that, and she said
Speaker 3: you got your passport and then no, you packed that,
Speaker 3: didn't you. No, okay, so we got on the flight,
Speaker 3: but it was thanks to a very enterprising taxi driver
Speaker 3: who did incredible things to and from the house so
Speaker 3: she could go back pick up my passport. And you
Speaker 3: need your passport on airport and I forgot that one.
Speaker 3: So my logic was, oh, well it's an inter European flight,
Speaker 3: it's domestic sengen right. No, that was a bit of
Speaker 3: the Australian mindset that went awry. Anyway, So you might
Speaker 3: have a suggestion or you might remember something nobe wasn't
Speaker 3: you. You might have been your husband or your wife they
Speaker 3: kind of or mate forgot something kind of important. One three, one,
Speaker 3: eight seven three will fight out those embarrassing stories after
Speaker 3: this person who has never forgotten anything is the wonderful
Speaker 3: erin ma Erin Good.
Speaker 16: Afternoon, Good afternoon. Definitely haven't forgotten these headlines. The Los
Speaker 16: Angeles mayor is accusing the US President of provoking riots
Speaker 16: by sending in the National Guard. It's the first time
Speaker 16: that's happened without straight request since Alabama in the Civil
Speaker 16: rights movement. The National guarda hasn't yet come face to
Speaker 16: face with protesters. HSBC is being sued over its failure
Speaker 16: to detect and respond to a scam involving criminals impersonating
Speaker 16: banking staff. The state government is allocating more than thirty
Speaker 16: million dollars in the next budget to provide better support
Speaker 16: for those sleeping rough and Network ten has acted ACXD
Speaker 16: its long running current affairs show. The project to be
Speaker 16: replaced with a new news and current affairs program. In Sport,
Speaker 16: Australia has been knocked off the top of the Sale
Speaker 16: Grand Prix championship standings. The Flying Rus crossing the line
Speaker 16: at the New York event in fifth, slipping at a
Speaker 16: second on the ladder behind Spain. And there'll be more
Speaker 16: news at three o'clock on afternoons.
Speaker 2: A finance update for Pretzel Wealth and finance for Trusted
Speaker 2: financial planning.
Speaker 1: Just Google, Blake went to pretzel.
Speaker 3: Okay, Monday, public holidays, so the markets aren't doing too
Speaker 3: much with the dollars still trades and around the world
Speaker 3: things still happens. Scott Phillips from the moltifoolfull dot com
Speaker 3: dot years across at all for U Scott, Good afternoon.
Speaker 22: Michael got Arpens on this topic, Holiday Monday.
Speaker 3: Indeed, buy now, pay later, The laws about all of
Speaker 3: that they're going to change from tomorrow, are they?
Speaker 19: Yeah?
Speaker 22: Just about well and truly over due to the idea
Speaker 22: basically in the past was buy now, pay later exploited
Speaker 22: a very specific legal loophole, completely legal, So to be
Speaker 22: really clear, I'm not justting anything un toward effectively for
Speaker 22: what had happened in the past. No one believed you
Speaker 22: could get a credit product that didn't charge interest right
Speaker 22: yet alone you take a credit card out, it charges interest.
Speaker 22: So the law defined credit as something you paid interest on.
Speaker 22: And a lot comes buying our pay later after pay
Speaker 22: and Zip and all those guys, and they said, well,
Speaker 22: we're not credit because we're not charging you interest. Now
Speaker 22: the rest of us No, that's obviously not the case,
Speaker 22: but legally they were one hundred percent right. And what
Speaker 22: that meant was the rules that apply to credit cards,
Speaker 22: personal loans, payday lenders, all that sort of stuff. So
Speaker 22: they didn't apply to buy now, pay later. Governments and
Speaker 22: regulators might have taken way too long. This has been
Speaker 22: an issue for thirty four or five years, I think,
Speaker 22: and they've dragged their heels as parliamentary inquiries and regulator
Speaker 22: looked at it. The government FI I only got around
Speaker 22: to passing some new laws not that long ago. And
Speaker 22: as you say, they start at start this week. Effectively,
Speaker 22: now buy now, pay later companies are going to have
Speaker 22: to treat you as the credit card company would. Effectively,
Speaker 22: it's not exactly the same. They're calling it regulation light,
Speaker 22: not exactly the same. But for example, enough to pay again,
Speaker 22: just as an example, not do anything wrong. But they
Speaker 22: didn't have to find out whether I had other debts,
Speaker 22: how likely I was to be able to pay that
Speaker 22: debt back, or I had to do with say I
Speaker 22: applied for it, but they reckon I should get it. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 22: that'll do. They can give me the they can give
Speaker 22: me the credit I'm off. I can go and put
Speaker 22: as much as I want on buying now, pay later, programs.
Speaker 22: I have multiple ones. I got credit cards, I got
Speaker 22: a personal loans. They didn't know there was no requirement
Speaker 22: for them to assess my ability to repay. Now some
Speaker 22: did voluntarily to different degrees, but that wasn't in place.
Speaker 22: So from tomorrow, essentially what's going to have to happen
Speaker 22: is if you want a buy and now pay Ladder account,
Speaker 22: you have to submit your usual information you would if
Speaker 22: you were taking out any other type of loan, and
Speaker 22: the company's obliged to make sure you can actually repay
Speaker 22: that debt. Doesn't sound like an hing reasonable thing. You
Speaker 22: feel they should have been doing it anyway, But that's
Speaker 22: going to be the change. What it probably means is
Speaker 22: fewer people will qualify, and that's I think where the
Speaker 22: biggest issue had been in the past. Okay, if you
Speaker 22: got to get a credit card, you take one. If
Speaker 22: you were going to get a credit card, you might
Speaker 22: go buy our pay later, and if I didn't check,
Speaker 22: you might just get access to that credit. So hopefully
Speaker 22: more responsible lending, Hopefully fewer people get in the souls
Speaker 22: in trouble using credit products.
Speaker 3: Well let's hope. So I think the idea is right.
Speaker 3: Let's say how it plays out the dollar because the
Speaker 3: markets aren't doing anything obviously, so the dollar correct.
Speaker 22: Yeah, markets are closed. The dollar is up four tenths
Speaker 22: of a percent against the US dollar, back over sixty
Speaker 22: five cents at sixty five point one two US A.
Speaker 3: You beauty, all right, thank you, Scott, Thank you for
Speaker 3: coming on today. Scott Phillips, the chief investment officer from
Speaker 3: the Motley fool full dot com dot you all right
Speaker 3: the embarrassing moments. Let's go through some high share.
Speaker 5: Al Hi, how are you good?
Speaker 3: Thanks?
Speaker 23: That's good. My story is that I mean, it's not
Speaker 23: a story, it's true. My husband and I packed all
Speaker 23: our us stuff to go away on holidays up to
Speaker 23: pair's place at Port mcquarie. We got in the car,
Speaker 23: we're traveling up the road and we're thinking, what a
Speaker 23: heavy lifting thing behind? Have you left it behind? And
Speaker 23: look behind and the car seat was emptied. We left
Speaker 23: our twelve month old daughter in her cot Okay.
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm glad you looked behind. Otherwise that could have
Speaker 3: been really bad. You could laugh about it all these
Speaker 3: years later, but at the time, my goodness, get that
Speaker 3: sinking feeling. Thank you for the call.
Speaker 22: Hello, Pat, Yeah, how are we going?
Speaker 11: Yeah, well, I sent the family off with family and
Speaker 11: friends on a camping vacation. I had to work a
Speaker 11: couple extra days and when they got down, they were
Speaker 11: all the tent poles and everything missing from the kid.
Speaker 3: Which how far was the drive from home to the
Speaker 3: campsite two and a half hours? Okay, so it wasn't
Speaker 3: a ten hour trip or what mind you pat that
Speaker 3: would have made camping a little difficult? Thank you mate? Okay?
Speaker 3: What was left behind?
Speaker 22: Hi, Michael, I love you show Thank you kay.
Speaker 24: My brother lives in Orange and with his new wife
Speaker 24: and two boys, and his in his sixties, was going
Speaker 24: on a China China trip. So he had the green
Speaker 24: bag and he called him someone's place and left the
Speaker 24: green bag with everything passport, your story on the table.
Speaker 24: He hasn't got a mobile phone, doesn't believe in those,
Speaker 24: so no one could contact him to telling the bag
Speaker 24: was there. Got to the airport, had a special deal
Speaker 24: with all this special deal. No, we had to drive
Speaker 24: back home to Orange, drive back again and pay three
Speaker 24: times the amount.
Speaker 9: To the air fairs and meet it.
Speaker 24: Got there before them at the destination because he got
Speaker 24: a fast flight which cost him three times the amount
Speaker 24: of money. But anyway, happy holiday.
Speaker 3: Indeed, that'll teach him about the mobile phone. I hope he's. Ladies, listen,
Speaker 3: good on your k Thank you for that. We'll take
Speaker 3: a break when we come back. Roger Fransen now Roger
Speaker 3: Franzen AO. Well, as it is the King's Birthday long weekend,
Speaker 3: a new group of extraordinary Australians are being rightfully on it.
Speaker 3: In fact, eight one hundred and thirty ozz he's in total,
Speaker 3: five one hundred and eighty one of which receiving an
Speaker 3: Order of Australia. Now those selected are recognized for their
Speaker 3: contributions to all kinds of industries within our society, medicine,
Speaker 3: the arts, the military, emergency services, education and so on.
Speaker 3: But I wanted to catch up with someone who's contributed
Speaker 3: a great deal to an industry that I think may
Speaker 3: not seem every day to the average Australian right now,
Speaker 3: but it is an industry making waves in the realm
Speaker 3: of science. His name is Roger Franzen and he's being
Speaker 3: recognized today for his outstanding contributions to the space sector. Now,
Speaker 3: more specifically, he's dedicated his career as Roger to engineering
Speaker 3: complex systems, aerospace and satellite communications, most of which of
Speaker 3: course goes straight over my head, but it is critical
Speaker 3: in the emerging economy. And Roger's been working in the
Speaker 3: space engineering space for more than thirty years, and in
Speaker 3: recognition of his outstanding contribution, he's been made an Officer
Speaker 3: of the Order of Australia. That's why these awards are
Speaker 3: so good because people we may not know too much about.
Speaker 3: They're not celebrities, they're not household names and not Hollywood
Speaker 3: A listers, but we recognize them for the bedrock contribution
Speaker 3: that they have made to our way of life in
Speaker 3: our nation's economy. Roger's with me on the line, Roger
Speaker 3: Frans and thank you for joining us. Thanks Michael, congratulations AO, Roger,
Speaker 3: Friends and IO. That'll take a little while to sink.
Speaker 22: In, no out.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I'm sure my wife won't give me such credit.
Speaker 5: But just before we start, you know, behind everyone that
Speaker 5: has done something of value and has been awarded, there
Speaker 5: is somebody that sits behind them and alongside them. And
Speaker 5: I just want to try a hand out to my
Speaker 5: wonderful wife and life partner because she's had to put
Speaker 5: up with me all of these years, forty four years
Speaker 5: to be exact, so she deserves every bit of credit
Speaker 5: as well.
Speaker 3: That's beautifully said and so appropriate. Being honored on the
Speaker 3: King's birthday quite the achievement. Of course, when you first
Speaker 3: found out, what was the feeling that went through you?
Speaker 5: Wow, it was a surprise and an honor. Now I
Speaker 5: have to stop using quite so much profanity.
Speaker 22: I guess.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure that comes with it, but anyway, I mean,
Speaker 3: you've dedicated most of your life to work in the
Speaker 3: space sector, space engineering. Now. Look, a lot of people
Speaker 3: understand that there is a realm out there that engineering
Speaker 3: is involved with, but don't fully understand how it relates
Speaker 3: to their everyday life. Can you can you sort of
Speaker 3: bring it back to the terrestrial for a moment and
Speaker 3: just give us a sense of what your work does
Speaker 3: and how it contributes to our everyday lives.
Speaker 23: Oh?
Speaker 5: Absolutely. The important thing is that so many people don't
Speaker 5: realize that they use space space services every day. It's
Speaker 5: kind of like water in the tap. You never ask
Speaker 5: where it comes from until it stops. And our whole economy,
Speaker 5: our military security, and that of the world is a
Speaker 5: major user of space based services. If they stopped today,
Speaker 5: we'd go back to the dark ages and people would
Speaker 5: have to start using maps again. Good God, good.
Speaker 3: Grief, no GPS. How would people cope? Now you mentioned
Speaker 3: the deed with their defense. I mean you've got some
Speaker 3: expertise there obviously as well, and that's recognized in the
Speaker 3: list today, but in your view because aspeaking to Scott
Speaker 3: Morrison was also honored today and he's now got this
Speaker 3: new role in the Australian space sector. Now you intersect
Speaker 3: defense and space. Scott Morrison was saying to me just
Speaker 3: the other week that this is really going to be
Speaker 3: the new frontier of the third pillar of orcuses that
Speaker 3: were no doubt you agree with that assessment.
Speaker 5: I think that's very true. Australia has long been a
Speaker 5: user of other people's space assets, and I think the
Speaker 5: importance of a capability in country that takes account of
Speaker 5: this really uncertain world we're living in right now and
Speaker 5: all of the traditional trusts that we've placed a starting
Speaker 5: to look a little bit fragile. So having an important
Speaker 5: second tier resilience in Australia's civilian and military space capability
Speaker 5: is an important aspect of our future.
Speaker 3: When the average person Roger thinks about a civilian space sector,
Speaker 3: I think they probably think about the United States with
Speaker 3: Cape Canaveral and Nasra and the like. They think about
Speaker 3: the former Soviet Union and the cosmonauts. They might have
Speaker 3: some idea that the Indians are trying to launch rockets,
Speaker 3: and the Chinese and the European Space Agency as well established,
Speaker 3: they don't necessarily think that Australia is much of a
Speaker 3: player in that area. What is our role and what
Speaker 3: could it be?
Speaker 5: Well, for many years, our traditional role it has been
Speaker 5: as a collector of information and using our geography as
Speaker 5: a landing pad for data that come from other people's
Speaker 5: satellites and using that data very intelligently. And the likes
Speaker 5: of the CSIRO Geoscience Australia are world renowned for their
Speaker 5: ability to assimilate that data and do something with it.
Speaker 5: But I guess the importance is that that is a
Speaker 5: dependency on other people. Whenever you have a dependency, you
Speaker 5: have a vulnerability, and we haven't addressed that vulnerability for
Speaker 5: forty years. We need to really step up to become
Speaker 5: professional at delivering enough capability. We're never going to replace
Speaker 5: everything that other countries have built up because they've been
Speaker 5: doing it for the last seventy years. So we would
Speaker 5: have a cliff face to climb of enormous height to
Speaker 5: replicate that. Don't do that. Select the areas where we
Speaker 5: must have some resilience, both from an economic point of
Speaker 5: view and from a civilian the military point of view.
Speaker 5: So that's what we need to do.
Speaker 3: And is it easy getting that message into the heads
Speaker 3: of Canberra.
Speaker 5: I think it's a lack of understanding sometimes about the
Speaker 5: breadth of dependency that we have on space space services.
Speaker 5: GPS is just one thing. There's a timing signal on
Speaker 5: GPS satellites that synchronizes our mobile phone networks. It synchronizes
Speaker 5: all of the transactions, the financial transactions that are made
Speaker 5: by and two banks and between financial authorities, those two things.
Speaker 5: If you took out that timing signal would be catastrophic
Speaker 5: for the nation. The grid would collapse. So yeah, it
Speaker 5: is important, and that's something that is not very well understood.
Speaker 3: You acknowledged earlier the love and the support of your
Speaker 3: wife and your wonderful journey, but I'm sure the supporters
Speaker 3: that were that's helped you get to where you are
Speaker 3: involved others as well. You can probably go way back
Speaker 3: high school teachers. I get I'm asking here Roger. Why
Speaker 3: did Roger friends and as a young fellow, decide to
Speaker 3: go down this path and not another path, a path
Speaker 3: that perhaps is better trodden by so many other Australians.
Speaker 5: That's a good question. I grew up in Perth, which
Speaker 5: is obviously WA's mining mining capital in Australia, and I
Speaker 5: did an engineering degree. But before I did that, I
Speaker 5: had a deep interest in astronomy. I used to go
Speaker 5: out with my good buddy Gary Poon and get our
Speaker 5: telescopes out at one o'clock in the morning. Why one
Speaker 5: o'clock because in Perth in those days, and there was
Speaker 5: a long time ago, at the street lights would go
Speaker 5: out at one o'clock in the morning, it'd be beautifully dark.
Speaker 5: So we sleep beforehand and then go out and watch
Speaker 5: the stuff. And you know, that brings a perspective that says, wow,
Speaker 5: there is so much more out there that we don't understand.
Speaker 5: And needless to say, I'd done a techniqely oriented high
Speaker 5: school course and then went into engineering. I wasn't a
Speaker 5: great scholar, but I had a deep passion for it
Speaker 5: and that just kept driving me on.
Speaker 3: We seem to have a shortage of shall we say,
Speaker 3: stem experts even though we've had a high profile campaign
Speaker 3: to try to get more and more people into science
Speaker 3: and technology, engineering and the mathematical courses. What do you
Speaker 3: think is the solution to that? I mean, it worked
Speaker 3: for you and you had that passion, but how do
Speaker 3: we instill that in others?
Speaker 5: Gosh, you know, in a country that is so well
Speaker 5: endowed with mineral resources and the ease with which we
Speaker 5: can generate revenue, it's honestly made us a bit lazy,
Speaker 5: and we have cut away our manufacturing industry rather than
Speaker 5: growing it. In contrast to places like Europe, America, India, Japan, China,
Speaker 5: where the more manufacturing pyramids I'll call them, because you
Speaker 5: have a pyramid that has a peak integrator at the
Speaker 5: top and all of a substance under the foundation of
Speaker 5: training and such like. Those pyramids produce output, but they
Speaker 5: also produce jobs. The more pyramids you have in different
Speaker 5: areas pharmaceuticals and space and ships and airplanes and all
Speaker 5: of the complex engineering technologies, the more of those you have,
Speaker 5: the more jobs you have, but the more easily you
Speaker 5: can then realize new innovation, because it's like having a
Speaker 5: massive lego box that's able to let you build all
Speaker 5: sorts of different things. The more lego pieces you have,
Speaker 5: the more things you can build. And that's really what
Speaker 5: we're lacking. Why aren't there more people going into STEM
Speaker 5: because where are the jobs? Where are the jobs in STEM?
Speaker 3: You've got to create that pathway for them and then
Speaker 3: allow them to tread that road well. As I said, Roger,
Speaker 3: you know that the King's Birthday honors are a wonderful
Speaker 3: vehicle I think to honor and acknowledge great Australians who
Speaker 3: may not have the pedestal afforded celebrities, but nonetheless have
Speaker 3: made an extraordinary contribution to our way of life, our
Speaker 3: country and our economy. And you're one of them. And
Speaker 3: it's a deserve it Ao for you.
Speaker 5: Thank you for your time, my pleasure, Michael. You have
Speaker 5: a wonderful day.
Speaker 3: You too, Roger Franzen Ao.
Speaker 4: Now one afternoons, the track of the day.
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Speaker 3: On this day twenty nineteen, the great Ash Barty won
Speaker 3: the French Open tennis final. But who was the last
Speaker 3: Australian player to win the women's title before? Who was
Speaker 3: the previous Australian lady that won the French Open before
Speaker 3: Ash Barty did it on this day in twenty nineteen,
Speaker 3: Nita clue, here's a bit of a musical hint.
Speaker 18: Game.
Speaker 3: All right, who was the one before Ash that did it?
Speaker 3: Let's go down and see if we can find I
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Speaker 5: Oh I'm sorry, I wouldn't think that.
Speaker 3: Not to worry. Have a lovely thank you, No real
Speaker 3: good on you. Andrew at Maruba. You've got the answer,
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Speaker 3: It looks like some light to moderate rain coming from
Speaker 3: the south, so get those brollies ready.