WEBVTT - Jonathan Kearsley with Tony McManus - Fri 20 Jun, 2025

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<v Speaker 1>So it's timely that we get to access from nine

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<v Speaker 1>News Jonathan Curzly to bring us up to date with

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<v Speaker 1>some of these pretty challenging times in the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>He's up nice and early for us. Jonathan.

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<v Speaker 2>Good morning, Tony, Good morning to you and all the

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<v Speaker 2>listeners across the vast expanse of Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a tricky one as to where we start. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's because I think when we spoke early in the

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<v Speaker 1>week JK, it's about this is a movable feast in

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<v Speaker 1>so many ways.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, everything with Iran Israel in the Middle East can

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<v Speaker 2>change hour by hour, and we've seen that take place

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<v Speaker 2>over the course of well the last seven days of

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<v Speaker 2>fighting or so. Yesterday we had some reporting out of

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<v Speaker 2>the Wall Street Journal that Donald Trump had approved attack

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<v Speaker 2>plans but essentially was holding off. He wants to try

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<v Speaker 2>and find some sort of diplomatic path to this. And

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<v Speaker 2>essentially what it's opened up is there is this feud

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<v Speaker 2>within the MAGA movement, if you like, because for so

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<v Speaker 2>long Donald Trump has insisted he is a president who

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<v Speaker 2>would not be entering into wars, entering into far away conflicts,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is exactly what he is considering doing right now,

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<v Speaker 2>he is weighing up the possibility. He's had two meetings

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<v Speaker 2>in the situation room now with his National Security Council,

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<v Speaker 2>this national security team, weighing up exactly what action he

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<v Speaker 2>could take against Iran. Now, a lot of the speculation

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<v Speaker 2>if America does enter this war from a military perspective,

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<v Speaker 2>has been about the so called busterbug, the buster bucker bombs,

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<v Speaker 2>that it could be dropped on Iram's Ki nuclear sites.

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<v Speaker 2>Now he's reportedly questioning whether that could work, whether his

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<v Speaker 2>military people are confident in its success. Clearly there's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot going through his mind at the moment about what

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<v Speaker 2>he does next. He still wants to leave a diplomatic

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<v Speaker 2>door open, and essentially he has done yesterday say he

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<v Speaker 2>won't make a decision until the last second. Now he

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<v Speaker 2>hasn't said when that last second is going to be.

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<v Speaker 2>But last night we saw that this war between Israel

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<v Speaker 2>and Iran just continues to escalate. Iran managing to strike

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<v Speaker 2>in Israeli hospital in and around the Tel Aviv area.

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<v Speaker 2>Thankfully the patients had been evacuated out of there, but

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<v Speaker 2>Israeli's lawn with an extraordinary response, accusing Iran of carrying

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<v Speaker 2>out terrorism, of being war criminals, and they are now

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<v Speaker 2>weighing up their next move too. So as I say,

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<v Speaker 2>we could talk in an hour or two from now

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<v Speaker 2>and all of this could have moved even further. That's

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<v Speaker 2>just how fluid this situation is. That's just how fluid

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<v Speaker 2>war is.

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<v Speaker 1>It'd be fascinated to sit in that situation room and

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<v Speaker 1>here a what was being reported to him and how

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<v Speaker 1>the president reacts to those reports.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Oh, to be a fly on the wars of

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<v Speaker 2>that situation room. I mean, it has been the site

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<v Speaker 2>of so many crucial decisions for American presidents over the years.

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<v Speaker 2>Be it the strike to kill Osama bin Laden, be

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<v Speaker 2>it strikes on Iraq, Afghanistan, be it other key moments

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<v Speaker 2>of national security for a United States president to consider.

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<v Speaker 2>And now once again you've got the president of the

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<v Speaker 2>United States sitting in the key chair inside that situation room,

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<v Speaker 2>receiving key advice from his military officials, from his national

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<v Speaker 2>security team about what could be a path forward. Clearly,

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<v Speaker 2>he would have had the options laid out to him

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<v Speaker 2>about everything that could be possible, every single option that

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<v Speaker 2>the United States has, both from a military perspective and

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<v Speaker 2>a diplomatic perspective, but he has made it clear that

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<v Speaker 2>his patience is running out. You can gauge by what

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<v Speaker 2>he said over the course of the last few days.

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<v Speaker 2>He appears to be leaning towards some sort of military move.

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<v Speaker 2>He has said on truth Social within the last sort

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<v Speaker 2>of couple of hours or so that the Wall Street Journal,

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<v Speaker 2>which first reported that he had approved attack plans but

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<v Speaker 2>was waiting to give the fidal order. He said that

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<v Speaker 2>the Wall Street Journal doesn't know his thinking, and I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>to be honest, the only person who does know he's

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<v Speaker 2>thinking to him, and the world will find out what

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<v Speaker 2>his response is essentially when he says it. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>his national security teams, defense officials will know shortly beforehand.

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<v Speaker 2>But he is the one now with the decision in

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<v Speaker 2>the palm of his hands. What is he going to do?

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<v Speaker 2>Because the decision he makes is going to be consequential,

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<v Speaker 2>not just for the Israel Iran conflict. It's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>consequential for the region of the Middle East. It's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be consequential for the world, and ultimately too from

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<v Speaker 2>a domestic perspective, from human it's going to be consequential

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<v Speaker 2>for his power within the Magan movement and whether the

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<v Speaker 2>Megan movement is going to splinter over this issue. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>there is so much at play right now. The stakes

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<v Speaker 2>really in this situation now could not be higher.

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan as a senior journo now and working in news

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<v Speaker 1>for many, many years, and you see those reports come

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<v Speaker 1>from that Wall Street Journal for example, does it somehow

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<v Speaker 1>in the back of your given everything else that you're

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<v Speaker 1>doing in every given day become a bit irritating because

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<v Speaker 1>how can they publish that?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there's some elements of this. I am going to

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<v Speaker 2>talk to the Wall Street chugs reporting specifically. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know personally the reporters in question, but there

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<v Speaker 2>are senior news journalists in this country who report crucial

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<v Speaker 2>details and are very close to the White House officials,

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<v Speaker 2>to the White House administration, to military officials. A lot

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<v Speaker 2>of this information gets out to a number of US

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<v Speaker 2>news outlets and it gets out quickly. Now, the only

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<v Speaker 2>way it gets out quickly across such a broad stance

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<v Speaker 2>is that the officials who are briefing this out want

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<v Speaker 2>it to be out there. I think what you're seeing now, though, Tony,

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<v Speaker 2>is Donald Trump is playing the ultimate game of brinkmanship diplomacy.

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<v Speaker 2>He is driving Iran to the very brink. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>just back of what he said over the course of

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<v Speaker 2>the last few days. He put out a message saying

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<v Speaker 2>that people in Tehran needed to evacuate, they needed to

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<v Speaker 2>get out. He then said that he knew where Ayatola

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<v Speaker 2>Kamione was and he wasn't going to kill him yet.

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<v Speaker 2>Now he's essentially saying his entire frustration and patients has

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<v Speaker 2>run out. All of this is a message to Iran,

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<v Speaker 2>essentially saying you have one last shot at this. There

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<v Speaker 2>is some reporting that his Middle East on voy Step

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<v Speaker 2>Weekop has been in touch with Iran's foreign minister the

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<v Speaker 2>entire time, has been trying to find some sort of

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<v Speaker 2>diplomatic path to get around back to the table. But

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<v Speaker 2>the only deal that Donald Trump is going to want

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<v Speaker 2>is for Iran to say we are not going to

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<v Speaker 2>have a nuclear program at all. There was some suggestion

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<v Speaker 2>yesterday from Iran's foreign minister when he put out a

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<v Speaker 2>public statement of middle of the afternoon Australian Eastern Time.

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<v Speaker 2>Essentially he said Iran does not have a nuclear program.

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<v Speaker 2>Now evidence may well suggest otherwise, But the key question

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<v Speaker 2>for the world is how far advanced has Iran actually been,

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<v Speaker 2>because for fifteen or twenty years, we've kept hearing that

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<v Speaker 2>Iran is months away or weeks away from developing a

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<v Speaker 2>nuclear weapon, and we've seen no firm evidence of that yet.

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<v Speaker 2>We have seen nuclear sites that they clearly are that

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<v Speaker 2>they have that they are using in some way, shape

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<v Speaker 2>or form, but there is great mystery around exactly how

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<v Speaker 2>far advanced Iran's technology is. You also have to look

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<v Speaker 2>at the situation as it stands now that the barrage

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<v Speaker 2>of missiles Aroan it's been sending into Israel has been

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<v Speaker 2>reducing quite significantly. When it first started, it was perhaps

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred missiles every single time they would launch a barrage.

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<v Speaker 2>Now maybe it's twenty to thirty every single time. Last

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<v Speaker 2>night's was about twenty five when they struck the hospital.

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<v Speaker 2>But they are managing to penetrate Israel's iron dome, and

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<v Speaker 2>that is a key concern for Israel. They are managing

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<v Speaker 2>to have direct hits, they're managing to have direct strikes,

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<v Speaker 2>they're managing to kill an injure people. So clearly they

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<v Speaker 2>are exposing a gap in Israel's iron dome that has

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<v Speaker 2>long been fancied and savored so much so Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 2>wanted what he called a Golden Dome, which was essentially

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<v Speaker 2>the same system across the giant, vast expanse of the

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<v Speaker 2>United States of America, an anti missile system. So, look,

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<v Speaker 2>this conflict is far from over. Donald Trump is yet

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<v Speaker 2>to make a decision on what his movie is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be. When he does, it will be consequential. It

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<v Speaker 2>will be arguably the most important decision by an American

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<v Speaker 2>president and foreign conflicts in some considerable time. He now

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<v Speaker 2>has to weigh in does he go in, does he

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<v Speaker 2>use a bunker buster bomb, does he assist Israel in

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<v Speaker 2>some other way, or does he find a way to

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<v Speaker 2>do what he says he wants to do, and that

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<v Speaker 2>is to be a man at peace and to end conflicts. Remember,

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<v Speaker 2>he said he would end Ukraine Russia in one day.

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<v Speaker 2>That hasn't happened. He said he was going to end

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<v Speaker 2>the war between Israel and the musk That hasn't really

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<v Speaker 2>happened either. So look, he hasn't met the markets that

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<v Speaker 2>he put in front of himself. So this is now

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<v Speaker 2>a key test for him, and the question is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be, now, what does he do next? Because the

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<v Speaker 2>eyes of the world are watching and they're bracing. You

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<v Speaker 2>can see world leaders of posturing around their own cabinet decisions,

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<v Speaker 2>their own cabinet discussion and trying to work out what

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump is going to do. They're trying to sort

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<v Speaker 2>of move their people out. We've seen Australians evacuated out

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<v Speaker 2>of Israel. There are other nations moving their people out

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<v Speaker 2>of these areas because they fear that this conflict is

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<v Speaker 2>only going to worsen. Now it's all in the hands

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<v Speaker 2>of the US president. His decision ultimately could decide where

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<v Speaker 2>this all heads.

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<v Speaker 1>No pressure Jonathan Scraid having the program for listeners right

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<v Speaker 1>across Australia. Second, just before I let you go, have

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<v Speaker 1>you had a look at a fuel, oil and gas prices?

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<v Speaker 1>What are they paying in the United States? Any movement?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean the big market you always look to

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<v Speaker 2>in these conflicts is what particularly around the Middle East,

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<v Speaker 2>is what is happening to the price of oil. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>let's take a look at crude oil for example, because

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<v Speaker 2>go over the last five days and the crude oil

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<v Speaker 2>while it was looking at round about I'm looking at

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<v Speaker 2>the crude oil futures here, it was around about seventy

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<v Speaker 2>five dollars round about a week ago. Now now it's sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>it was sixty six, now it's up to seventy three.

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<v Speaker 2>So prices are rising, and they rise because there's concern.

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<v Speaker 2>They rise because there's a vulnerability. I mean, the big

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<v Speaker 2>move next could be I mean Iran has sort of

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<v Speaker 2>suggested that if there was an escalation in this conflict,

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<v Speaker 2>then you could see the hookies start to attack American

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<v Speaker 2>ships and see now that obviously, once you start putting

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<v Speaker 2>those critical supply roots in jeopardy, then things like oil

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<v Speaker 2>and gas are only going to rise further because it

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<v Speaker 2>makes supply unreliable. That is a key shipping lane. Iran

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<v Speaker 2>knows that the Hoopies know that, and this is now

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<v Speaker 2>a critical point, not just for concern obviously about a

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<v Speaker 2>much broader conflict erupting in the Middle East, which is

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<v Speaker 2>really the last thing anybody wants to see, but when

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<v Speaker 2>you look at these oil prices too, they are going

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<v Speaker 2>to increase if the conflict continues because the possibility of

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<v Speaker 2>shipping lanes being shut down that we get that oil

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<v Speaker 2>out of the Middle East into other parts of the world, well,

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<v Speaker 2>that creates significant problems. So there's flow on effects from

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<v Speaker 2>everywhere it's not just a military aspect, but it's supply

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<v Speaker 2>chain roots too, so this is critical. We saw it

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<v Speaker 2>with golf war Mark one. We saw it with Golf

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<v Speaker 2>war Mark two. We see it every time there's conflict

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<v Speaker 2>in the Middle East. There is a concern around oil

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<v Speaker 2>and oil supply, and that means ultimately that if you

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<v Speaker 2>do not produce your own and you rely on getting

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<v Speaker 2>it from the Middle East, then that is going to

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<v Speaker 2>have a significant problem for anybody. It's not just consumers

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<v Speaker 2>that the bows are wanting to fill up their cars.

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<v Speaker 2>If anybody wanting to try and get their hands on

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<v Speaker 2>oil is going to have a problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan curzly, thank you. Going to enjoy some breakfast weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll talk next week.

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<v Speaker 3>Always good to talk to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Can only have a wonderful.

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<v Speaker 1>Weekend, Jonathan Curzy. They're in the United States. A fantastic

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<v Speaker 1>to get them available to us for Australia overnight. A

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<v Speaker 1>couple of quick calls Pete in some of them warning thing, oh.

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<v Speaker 3>Look are about people who impressed me?

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<v Speaker 1>Please please. It's a great question. Is when you think

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<v Speaker 1>about those favorite subjects at school or someone that you

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<v Speaker 1>really admire in adulthood.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well when I was about twenty. I was working

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<v Speaker 3>in what's called the technical grades of the Postmaster General

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<v Speaker 3>Research Department, and I worked with this engineer who had

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<v Speaker 3>this incredible nack of turning mathematics into reality. And I

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<v Speaker 3>said to myself, Oh, I'd like to be able to

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<v Speaker 3>do that. So I changed from a technical course to

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<v Speaker 3>an engineering course and well became a communications engineer. And

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<v Speaker 3>then it's with the plover and then I kept going

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<v Speaker 3>and got my electronics engineering degree and that's what I

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<v Speaker 3>worked in for those years, from you know, seventy one

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<v Speaker 3>to when I retired in twenty sixteen. A huge change

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<v Speaker 3>in electronics that I had to go up several big

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<v Speaker 3>learning curves and you know, such a life.

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<v Speaker 1>Does that first still exist to some degree in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of where it's all going electronically? Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>Look, I the variation was huge. I actually was the

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<v Speaker 3>key person in putting the first computer based control in

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<v Speaker 3>a plant room in an airport in what was it

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen eighty one or something like that, And it went

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<v Speaker 3>from that simple stage to in nineteen eighty eight, a

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<v Speaker 3>newtip came on the market called a field program or

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<v Speaker 3>Gatoray are you happy for bit to keep?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Sure? For going beautiful thank you, which.

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<v Speaker 3>Is a completely different chip. It's just a chip with

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<v Speaker 3>a whole heat of digital resources inside it. So it

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<v Speaker 3>made a huge leap in speed processing speed in that

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<v Speaker 3>in the normal program, you execute one line at the time,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's sharing the computer chip, that's sharing the memory

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<v Speaker 3>and so on and so forth. In these chips, every

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<v Speaker 3>line gets its own little bit of hardware associated with

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<v Speaker 3>so instead of one light executing at a time, all

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<v Speaker 3>the lines of code execute at the same time, and

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<v Speaker 3>so huge changing computing. And I ended up working in

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<v Speaker 3>that field substantially, and ended up in a company that

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<v Speaker 3>did medical instrument development for the last fourteen years of

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<v Speaker 3>my working life.

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<v Speaker 1>Good work and congratulations on that. We need you hear

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<v Speaker 1>from time to time. I've lost an email that was

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<v Speaker 1>a very foot emails disappeared from a buddy screen and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really dirty about. Good on your pet. Keep in

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<v Speaker 1>touch with the program. Thank you. Mike's in mentone morning, Michael.

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<v Speaker 4>My Tony hair Young Well, thank you first to Young

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<v Speaker 4>Jackson telling that the best pub in Melbourne is Young

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<v Speaker 4>and Jackson.

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<v Speaker 1>There it is that that's why we call him Young

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<v Speaker 1>and Jackson. The very famous hotel Kinder of Flinders Street

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<v Speaker 1>there and Swans the Street speaks there for all my

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<v Speaker 1>life too.

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<v Speaker 4>There's nothing better than sitting in that window and just watching.

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<v Speaker 1>People, watching the world go by.

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<v Speaker 2>Just watch.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but thank you, Tony. Please, you played, you played

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<v Speaker 4>all night long. I woke up and it was all

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<v Speaker 4>night long line of Richie playing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep, I watched.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a birthday today. He's seventy six, the great Lionel Richie.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's my childhood idol.

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<v Speaker 4>I've met him twice and I have a tattoo of

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<v Speaker 4>him on my no you dode Wow, Yeah, I do.

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<v Speaker 4>And I just want to say thank you for putting

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<v Speaker 4>his name forward in your show. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we forget that he actually co wrote that beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>thing to you, We Are the World, which was a

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<v Speaker 1>messive hit as well. You USA for Africa. Remember that.

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<v Speaker 4>And can I give you a song Tony for the people,

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<v Speaker 4>for you and your listeners. Please that I have ever

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<v Speaker 4>lost someone, it's called I hear your voice, Lionel Richie.

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<v Speaker 4>I hear your voice.

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<v Speaker 1>Keep listening. Well much fine to play a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of it later on for you, Michael.

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<v Speaker 4>For your listeners, I know a few of because I

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<v Speaker 4>listened to you during the week at night shift. I

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<v Speaker 4>work nightshift, so I listened to you. I love you,

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<v Speaker 4>I love night, I love three W I just want

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<v Speaker 4>to dedicate this song. I hear your voice for those listeners.

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<v Speaker 4>I hear your voice, Lionel Richie.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking about turning into a promo. Michael, well done you,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks so one double three six nine three. We'll get

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<v Speaker 1>some calls in just a moment. Someone that you've always

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<v Speaker 1>really admired, someone that you really admired. And why one

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<v Speaker 1>double three six' nine three the other one we, had

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<v Speaker 1>this is from our little icebreak Is i'm loving. This

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<v Speaker 1>what was your favorite subject at? School favorite? Subject was it?

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<v Speaker 1>Arithmetic was It? English it may have been a bit about, history,

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<v Speaker 1>geography perhaps one double three six nine? Three and? Why

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<v Speaker 1>and did that serve you well in the. Years and

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<v Speaker 1>what's one family tradition that you would like to carry

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<v Speaker 1>on into the. Future just that great family traditions that

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<v Speaker 1>you may have had that you noticed as a, kid

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<v Speaker 1>that stayed with the family. Forever and a day one

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<v Speaker 1>double three six'. Nine three It is. Australia overnight I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Turning mack, good morning