1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,520 S1: Well, let's get down to Canberra to federal Parliament. Andrew 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,080 S1: Hastie is joining us on the line right now, the 3 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:08,480 S1: deputy leader of the opposition in the lower House and 4 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:11,879 S1: the Shadow Minister for Industry and Sovereign Capability. Andrew good 5 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:12,680 S1: morning to you. 6 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:14,920 S2: Good morning to you, Mark, and your listeners. 7 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:17,360 S1: Well mate, I just want to play you something, um, 8 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:19,040 S1: at the start of our chat here and I know 9 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:22,160 S1: you might get dragged away because of divisions and the like. Um, 10 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,880 S1: we took a phone call in the first hour of 11 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:27,280 S1: the show, um, from a woman by the name of Anna. 12 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:31,160 S1: She's a single mum. It's heartbreaking. And she demonstrated what 13 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:34,199 S1: everyday Australians are feeling right now. I just want you 14 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:35,919 S1: to have a listen to what Anna had to say 15 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:37,040 S1: to me earlier this morning. 16 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:39,960 S3: Oh, it's just a joke. It really is. I mean, 17 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,360 S3: I had to drive my kids to their sports carnival today, 18 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:46,559 S3: and I was just panicking, you know, driving past five 19 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:50,840 S3: different fuel stations with no fuel, thinking, well, what do 20 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,080 S3: I do? I mean, if you know, there's no fuel, 21 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:55,200 S3: what if my kids get sick? I can't pick them 22 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:57,680 S3: up and I've got no family help. I do everything 23 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:01,280 S3: on my own. And I'm sitting here every day thinking, 24 00:01:01,570 --> 00:01:04,850 S3: when is Albanese going to announce I'm going to cut 25 00:01:04,850 --> 00:01:09,690 S3: the fuel excise? I'm going to somehow really do something 26 00:01:09,930 --> 00:01:11,289 S3: for all of us. 27 00:01:11,650 --> 00:01:14,289 S1: So Andrew that's Anna. She lives at Croydon Park in Sydney. 28 00:01:14,290 --> 00:01:17,289 S1: The prime Minister's her local member in Grayndler. She's getting 29 00:01:17,290 --> 00:01:19,850 S1: no support from him, not as a local member and 30 00:01:19,850 --> 00:01:22,210 S1: certainly not as a prime minister. And Anna is one 31 00:01:22,209 --> 00:01:25,050 S1: of millions of Australians who are really doing it tough 32 00:01:25,050 --> 00:01:25,569 S1: right now. 33 00:01:26,130 --> 00:01:29,290 S2: Look, I really sympathise with Anna. A lot of Australians 34 00:01:29,290 --> 00:01:31,930 S2: out there are doing it tough, particularly who rely upon 35 00:01:31,930 --> 00:01:36,250 S2: their car to get around, particularly with young children. I 36 00:01:36,250 --> 00:01:38,250 S2: know that a lot of people are worried long term 37 00:01:38,250 --> 00:01:40,850 S2: if this continues about having to choose between food and 38 00:01:40,850 --> 00:01:44,330 S2: getting their kids to school. She mentioned the doctor. You know, 39 00:01:44,370 --> 00:01:46,770 S2: there's all sorts of issues here. So yes, the Prime 40 00:01:46,770 --> 00:01:49,330 S2: Minister has to lead. He's he's not doing a good 41 00:01:49,330 --> 00:01:51,610 S2: job of leading. And that's why we've been focused on 42 00:01:51,810 --> 00:01:54,970 S2: demanding a plan from him and his energy minister, Chris Bowen. 43 00:01:55,290 --> 00:01:57,690 S2: They say that all the shipments are arriving in this country. 44 00:01:57,690 --> 00:02:00,810 S2: Yet we've got over 500 service stations which have run dry. 45 00:02:01,050 --> 00:02:03,980 S2: The government's job at this point is to identify where 46 00:02:03,980 --> 00:02:07,780 S2: people are hoarding or where there's informal rationing. Establish where 47 00:02:07,780 --> 00:02:10,100 S2: those bumps are and smooth them out across the economy 48 00:02:10,100 --> 00:02:14,139 S2: so that our distribution networks are working for the Australian people. 49 00:02:14,220 --> 00:02:15,220 S2: For people like Anna. 50 00:02:15,500 --> 00:02:17,780 S1: We shouldn't have to wait for another national cabinet meeting 51 00:02:17,780 --> 00:02:18,300 S1: on Monday. 52 00:02:18,300 --> 00:02:22,139 S2: Surely know this. This is a really serious time. And 53 00:02:22,139 --> 00:02:25,180 S2: the Prime Minister, if he was leading, he would call 54 00:02:25,820 --> 00:02:28,700 S2: a national cabinet. That's why we federated in 1901, because 55 00:02:28,700 --> 00:02:30,980 S2: we were worried about a crisis, a national crisis. So 56 00:02:30,980 --> 00:02:34,579 S2: all the colonies came together form states in a country, 57 00:02:34,580 --> 00:02:38,940 S2: and this is an international crisis. Iran has globalised the war. 58 00:02:39,419 --> 00:02:42,060 S2: They've globalised the Battle of Hormuz. And we are affected 59 00:02:42,060 --> 00:02:43,859 S2: because we're right at the end of the supply chain 60 00:02:43,860 --> 00:02:46,660 S2: and 90% of our fuel is imported. So we are 61 00:02:47,020 --> 00:02:48,899 S2: in the gun and we've got to have a plan. 62 00:02:48,900 --> 00:02:50,740 S2: And the Prime Minister doesn't have one. 63 00:02:50,780 --> 00:02:53,060 S1: You just heard Anna say there, why don't why doesn't 64 00:02:53,060 --> 00:02:55,899 S1: he cut the fuel excise? Why why isn't the opposition 65 00:02:55,900 --> 00:02:59,180 S1: seizing on this? Isn't that the logical option? Staring us 66 00:02:59,180 --> 00:03:01,419 S1: all in the face. There was a precedent back at 67 00:03:01,419 --> 00:03:03,870 S1: the height of the pandemic from the Morrison government that 68 00:03:03,870 --> 00:03:06,750 S1: cut the fuel excise. Isn't the government double dipping at 69 00:03:06,750 --> 00:03:08,710 S1: the moment, with not only the fuel excise but the 70 00:03:08,710 --> 00:03:10,669 S1: GST on top of that as well? 71 00:03:10,710 --> 00:03:12,430 S2: Look, all options should be on the table, and I'm 72 00:03:12,430 --> 00:03:14,350 S2: open minded about that because it was Scott Morrison who 73 00:03:14,350 --> 00:03:18,470 S2: cut the fuel excise by half when Russia invaded Ukraine. 74 00:03:18,470 --> 00:03:21,910 S2: And that impacted US oil supply across the world as well. 75 00:03:21,910 --> 00:03:24,510 S2: Fuel fuel prices went up as a consequence and it 76 00:03:24,510 --> 00:03:27,590 S2: was targeted and temporary, temporary relief for six months. So 77 00:03:27,590 --> 00:03:30,750 S2: there is a precedent and all options are on the table. 78 00:03:30,790 --> 00:03:32,910 S2: Our focus is on the Australian people, on people like 79 00:03:32,950 --> 00:03:35,590 S2: Anna who are doing it tough. People have been smashed 80 00:03:35,590 --> 00:03:38,230 S2: for the last four years with inflation, right? You know, 81 00:03:38,470 --> 00:03:42,630 S2: regular Australians, low income, middle income Australians. They've had their 82 00:03:42,630 --> 00:03:45,430 S2: purchasing power reduced. And now when they see fuel prices 83 00:03:45,430 --> 00:03:49,790 S2: spiking up to $3 a litre for diesel, it's frightening. 84 00:03:50,070 --> 00:03:52,510 S1: But but from an opposition's point of view. Right. And 85 00:03:52,550 --> 00:03:55,670 S1: you know you're an alternative government here. You can you 86 00:03:55,670 --> 00:03:58,590 S1: can really take it up to the government and, and 87 00:03:58,590 --> 00:04:01,110 S1: corner them and say, right, well, this is what we 88 00:04:01,110 --> 00:04:03,760 S1: think should happen and we want you to jump on board, 89 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,440 S1: and that is to cut this fuel excise because, you know, 90 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:08,960 S1: we've got a GST applied to the final pump price, right? 91 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:13,120 S1: Which is already included in includes the excise. So the 92 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,600 S1: $0.52 doesn't change, but the GST does. And Pauline Hanson 93 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:18,520 S1: seized on this. She's saying look the government's making an 94 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:21,600 S1: extra $300 million a month at the moment on the 95 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:25,039 S1: GST on fuel. That's $300 million a month going into 96 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,520 S1: the government coffers. All the while, we've got people like 97 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:29,880 S1: Anna working out whether or not she's got enough money 98 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:31,400 S1: to put fuel in a petrol tank. 99 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,000 S2: That's right. Well, look, all options are on the table. 100 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,480 S2: The problem is this government is not being transparent. They 101 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:38,880 S2: keep telling us the shipments have arrived. Yet we have 102 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:42,280 S2: 500 petrol stations across the country that have run dry. 103 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,160 S2: They have the information. They'd be modelling the supply chains. 104 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:48,040 S2: They'd be modelling when, you know, the the global supply 105 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,880 S2: shock actually hits us hard, you know, which is apparently 106 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:54,800 S2: sometime around mid-April, late April next month, you know, and 107 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:56,839 S2: they're not even being transparent. We have to use question 108 00:04:56,839 --> 00:05:00,159 S2: time to find out, you know, which service stations around 109 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,930 S2: the country have closed and how many by state. So 110 00:05:02,930 --> 00:05:04,770 S2: this is a government that is not being transparent. And 111 00:05:04,770 --> 00:05:06,370 S2: if you don't have the information, it's very hard to 112 00:05:06,410 --> 00:05:09,650 S2: make decisions. So our our task is to get them 113 00:05:09,650 --> 00:05:12,010 S2: to the table. And all options should be on the table. 114 00:05:12,050 --> 00:05:14,729 S2: By the way, including a fuel excise cut. 115 00:05:14,770 --> 00:05:17,330 S1: You know what really angers me, Andrew? When I watch 116 00:05:17,330 --> 00:05:21,130 S1: Question Time, just as a keen observer, when the the 117 00:05:21,170 --> 00:05:23,770 S1: smugness that's on display from Chris Bowen who gets up 118 00:05:23,770 --> 00:05:26,570 S1: there and you guys are putting genuine questions to the 119 00:05:26,730 --> 00:05:29,690 S1: energy minister, the man who's responsible for this. And the 120 00:05:29,690 --> 00:05:33,049 S1: response is, I refer the honourable member to my previous question. 121 00:05:33,089 --> 00:05:35,450 S1: I mean, isn't that the ultimate slap in the face 122 00:05:35,450 --> 00:05:38,690 S1: to the Australian people when you your job in opposition 123 00:05:38,690 --> 00:05:42,570 S1: is to ask the questions that we're entitled to answers on? 124 00:05:43,010 --> 00:05:45,650 S2: Absolutely. That's your job. That's why we have Question time. 125 00:05:45,650 --> 00:05:48,969 S2: That's it's an hour and 15 minutes of accountability every 126 00:05:48,970 --> 00:05:51,849 S2: single day. And the minister has three minutes to answer 127 00:05:51,850 --> 00:05:54,810 S2: the question. Three minutes. They often go off track. So 128 00:05:54,810 --> 00:05:56,330 S2: we have to make a point of order and bring 129 00:05:56,330 --> 00:05:58,890 S2: them back to the question. But what we've seen this 130 00:05:58,890 --> 00:06:01,570 S2: past week is Chris Bowen sitting down and not answering 131 00:06:01,570 --> 00:06:04,180 S2: the question. And that's why we've been saying you're all done, mate. 132 00:06:04,220 --> 00:06:05,580 S2: 30s in and you're done. 133 00:06:05,620 --> 00:06:08,340 S1: I must be missing something, Andrew. And you've been in 134 00:06:08,339 --> 00:06:11,420 S1: politics long enough to maybe work this out for me. 135 00:06:11,460 --> 00:06:13,260 S1: How the hell is Chris Bowen still a minister of 136 00:06:13,260 --> 00:06:15,820 S1: the Crown? Everything he touches is a disaster. 137 00:06:16,779 --> 00:06:19,219 S2: Well, you're not wrong there. I'm not going to argue 138 00:06:19,260 --> 00:06:22,060 S2: with there with you, Mark. And a lot of people 139 00:06:22,060 --> 00:06:26,460 S2: want change. They want change and it can't come quick enough. 140 00:06:26,460 --> 00:06:28,100 S2: And our job at the moment is to just force 141 00:06:28,100 --> 00:06:30,299 S2: the government to come up with a plan that looks 142 00:06:30,300 --> 00:06:31,340 S2: after people like Anna. 143 00:06:31,540 --> 00:06:33,980 S1: Alright, well, if we want to change a government, I 144 00:06:33,980 --> 00:06:36,540 S1: think you're going to need the assistance of one nation 145 00:06:36,540 --> 00:06:39,340 S1: through preferences and the like to get rid of this 146 00:06:39,339 --> 00:06:42,539 S1: Labour government. I note Pauline Hanson's in the paper today saying, look, 147 00:06:42,580 --> 00:06:45,740 S1: she's happy to work with you guys all of a sudden. Um, 148 00:06:46,060 --> 00:06:49,020 S1: are there any discussions happening behind the scenes between the 149 00:06:49,020 --> 00:06:51,620 S1: leadership of the coalition and those in One Nation? 150 00:06:52,180 --> 00:06:54,660 S2: Look, I've always had a respectful relationship with Pauline. I've 151 00:06:54,660 --> 00:06:57,660 S2: got no quarrel to pick with Pauline. But, you know, 152 00:06:57,700 --> 00:07:01,420 S2: one nation, they're out to. They're out to tear us down. 153 00:07:01,740 --> 00:07:05,320 S2: There was an article yesterday in the Australian Financial Review, where, 154 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:07,520 S2: you know, James James Ashby, her chief of staff, said, 155 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:08,880 S2: you know, we've got to get rid of all the 156 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,200 S2: old players and start afresh. And he was talking about, 157 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,680 S2: you know, the coalition. So, um, this is a contest 158 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:17,320 S2: I want to win. I want to deliver good centre 159 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:21,160 S2: right government for the Australian people. And you know, what 160 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:23,040 S2: we saw on the weekend in South Australia was a 161 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:26,520 S2: cannibalisation of the South Australian vote, which just empowered labor 162 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:30,760 S2: to deliver more labor government. So, um, I'm, I'm happy 163 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:33,280 S2: to work with anyone, but if it's a competition, well, 164 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:35,600 S2: I'm going to fight hard because I believe the coalition 165 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:37,360 S2: can deliver a better government than the labor government. 166 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:39,040 S1: But see, it's tricky here, Andrew, because you don't want 167 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,800 S1: to fall into that trap where you're going after one nation, 168 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:46,520 S1: because all that does is it just fractures that centre 169 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,520 S1: right vote even further. And the real enemy here for 170 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,760 S1: yourself and one nation, I would have thought is that Labour, 171 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:56,200 S1: Greens Alliance we can't afford as a country to have 172 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:59,520 S1: another one, two, three terms of a Labour government, which 173 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:04,010 S1: is surely why the coalition needs to work with one 174 00:08:04,010 --> 00:08:07,570 S1: nation together to try and oust this Labour government. AM 175 00:08:07,570 --> 00:08:08,450 S1: I right or wrong there? 176 00:08:08,730 --> 00:08:11,810 S2: Yeah, absolutely. But like I said, you know, I'm not 177 00:08:11,810 --> 00:08:13,650 S2: trying to pick a quarrel with One Nation. There's a 178 00:08:13,650 --> 00:08:16,530 S2: lot of good people in one nation and I want 179 00:08:16,570 --> 00:08:19,290 S2: to win their vote back. But One Nation have very 180 00:08:19,290 --> 00:08:22,330 S2: clearly said that they want to take our votes off us. 181 00:08:22,730 --> 00:08:25,210 S2: So it's a competition. And I think what we need 182 00:08:25,210 --> 00:08:27,970 S2: to do is come up with a vision and better policies, 183 00:08:27,970 --> 00:08:29,810 S2: and we're doing that. We're out of net zero. We're 184 00:08:29,810 --> 00:08:31,450 S2: going to kill net zero and we're going to get 185 00:08:31,450 --> 00:08:34,410 S2: this country going cheaper. Power prices for families, small businesses 186 00:08:34,410 --> 00:08:36,970 S2: in industry. We're going to cut immigration and insist on 187 00:08:36,970 --> 00:08:39,330 S2: higher standards. And we're going to look at ways of 188 00:08:39,330 --> 00:08:43,530 S2: making the economy work for working Australians who've been smashed 189 00:08:43,530 --> 00:08:47,130 S2: by inflation. They've been smashed by the expansionary monetary policy 190 00:08:47,130 --> 00:08:49,530 S2: of the RBA. So a lot of Australians have no 191 00:08:49,530 --> 00:08:52,770 S2: hope of ever buying and owning their own home. That's 192 00:08:52,770 --> 00:08:54,810 S2: got to change. That's all on the table. 193 00:08:54,809 --> 00:08:56,170 S1: And one thing we need to do is get back 194 00:08:56,170 --> 00:08:58,690 S1: to standing on our own two feet. Um, Andrew, you 195 00:08:58,690 --> 00:09:01,290 S1: know the amount of resources we have available to us 196 00:09:01,290 --> 00:09:03,330 S1: in this country. I mean, there's a story in the 197 00:09:03,330 --> 00:09:06,819 S1: papers in Sydney today about oil, why we're not refining 198 00:09:06,820 --> 00:09:09,860 S1: our own oil. We've got these large amounts of oil 199 00:09:09,860 --> 00:09:13,140 S1: that we don't use yet. We've got two refineries. We 200 00:09:13,140 --> 00:09:16,180 S1: did have six. Is that something that would change under 201 00:09:16,179 --> 00:09:17,460 S1: a coalition government? 202 00:09:17,460 --> 00:09:19,100 S2: All options are on the table. And I said this 203 00:09:19,140 --> 00:09:22,340 S2: yesterday at the Australian National University in a speech. I said, 204 00:09:22,540 --> 00:09:24,460 S2: you know, we should be looking at all options about 205 00:09:24,460 --> 00:09:30,180 S2: recovering our refining capacity. That includes using techniques like coal 206 00:09:30,220 --> 00:09:32,219 S2: to liquid. You could use our coal, which we have 207 00:09:32,220 --> 00:09:35,819 S2: an abundance of, to make crude oil and then turn 208 00:09:35,820 --> 00:09:38,180 S2: that into jet fuel and diesel. And that would give 209 00:09:38,179 --> 00:09:40,540 S2: us a level of self-sufficiency so that in the event 210 00:09:40,540 --> 00:09:43,059 S2: of a war, we could stand on our own two feet. 211 00:09:43,059 --> 00:09:44,780 S2: And at the moment we don't have that option, which 212 00:09:44,780 --> 00:09:47,459 S2: is why we're so vulnerable. And people like Anna, they're 213 00:09:47,460 --> 00:09:49,900 S2: hit hardest, they're hit. And this is Donald Trump's choice, 214 00:09:49,900 --> 00:09:53,180 S2: by the way. Um, you know, I've been pretty tough 215 00:09:53,179 --> 00:09:55,060 S2: on Donald Trump over the last week because it's people 216 00:09:55,059 --> 00:09:58,060 S2: like Anna who get smashed. And I should remind you 217 00:09:58,059 --> 00:10:01,140 S2: that one nation's been pretty strong in supporting Donald Trump's war. 218 00:10:01,540 --> 00:10:03,180 S2: I mean, that's not a point that's made very often, 219 00:10:03,179 --> 00:10:05,470 S2: but I want to make it to your listeners today. 220 00:10:05,470 --> 00:10:06,470 S1: You don't support the war. 221 00:10:06,750 --> 00:10:09,030 S2: Well, I didn't get a choice. Australians didn't get a choice. 222 00:10:09,030 --> 00:10:11,870 S2: We weren't briefed. It just started. And now we're dealing 223 00:10:11,870 --> 00:10:14,630 S2: with the consequences. Um, and you know. 224 00:10:14,670 --> 00:10:16,270 S1: But doesn't it. But Andrew, doesn't that fall back on 225 00:10:16,270 --> 00:10:19,670 S1: the politicians in this country that haven't prepared us for 226 00:10:19,670 --> 00:10:22,190 S1: what was inevitable, this conflict in the Middle East? 227 00:10:22,429 --> 00:10:23,950 S2: Well, we didn't know it was inevitable. 228 00:10:23,990 --> 00:10:25,910 S1: Oh, come on, Andrew, you've been around long enough to 229 00:10:25,910 --> 00:10:27,670 S1: know what was happening in the Middle East. This was 230 00:10:27,670 --> 00:10:30,150 S1: always going to happen. There were there were warships being mobilised. 231 00:10:30,150 --> 00:10:31,030 S1: We knew this was coming. 232 00:10:31,070 --> 00:10:34,110 S2: We saw the military build up. We saw the military 233 00:10:34,110 --> 00:10:36,189 S2: build up. But I think what's happened here is that, 234 00:10:36,230 --> 00:10:38,550 S2: you know, President Trump thought he could go in and 235 00:10:38,550 --> 00:10:40,750 S2: win the war in a week. And, you know, right 236 00:10:40,750 --> 00:10:45,630 S2: now Iran has the world economy held to ransom. And 237 00:10:45,630 --> 00:10:48,750 S2: people like Anna are suffering as a consequence. And I'm 238 00:10:48,790 --> 00:10:51,390 S2: not going to send, you know, young Australians to die 239 00:10:51,390 --> 00:10:53,910 S2: in a conflict, um, that we don't know an end 240 00:10:53,910 --> 00:10:57,390 S2: state to and there's no clear strategic objective. 241 00:10:57,470 --> 00:10:59,990 S1: HMM. Who do we believe here at the moment? Because 242 00:10:59,990 --> 00:11:02,030 S1: we've got the United States saying one thing. We've got 243 00:11:02,030 --> 00:11:05,560 S1: Iran saying, oh, no, no, nothing's happening. There's no no talks. 244 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:07,440 S1: Is there an end in sight to this war? Or 245 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,360 S1: how do you envisage this long, this war to go 246 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:10,840 S1: on for? 247 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:14,520 S2: Well, Iran, after Operation Midnight Hammer in June last year, 248 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:18,640 S2: dispersed a lot of their missiles and drones. They decentralized authority, 249 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:22,400 S2: but especially for this moment, if their regime was decapitated, 250 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:24,960 S2: they could still fire missiles. And they've been firing missiles 251 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,800 S2: at the Gulf states, at ships. And that's closed the 252 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,440 S2: Strait of Hormuz. And then, of course, you know, Donald Trump, 253 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,400 S2: when he came out, he said that, you know, you know, 254 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:35,839 S2: this this is about changing the regime. So the regime 255 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:37,360 S2: is going to fight to the death because they know 256 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:40,240 S2: that if they if they give up, they're finished. And 257 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:45,000 S2: so it's a real strategic pickle that we're in. And my, my, my, my, 258 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,520 S2: my vision for this country going forward, Mark, is that 259 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,480 S2: we're self-sufficiency with our self-sufficient, with our defense force. We 260 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,640 S2: can fight and stand on our own two feet. And 261 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:55,160 S2: we have enough refining capacity, and we use our natural 262 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:58,000 S2: resources so that we're not caught out again if this 263 00:11:58,000 --> 00:11:59,079 S2: ever happens down the track. 264 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:00,840 S1: All right. Well, keep taking it up to the government 265 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,199 S1: in Canberra because there are a lot of people hurting. 266 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,850 S1: And you heard Anna's call and I'm getting call after 267 00:12:05,890 --> 00:12:08,690 S1: call after call on this program. Andrew. People that are 268 00:12:08,690 --> 00:12:11,850 S1: saying government, Prime Minister, you have to do something. And 269 00:12:11,850 --> 00:12:14,010 S1: I think the start is to cut that fuel excise. 270 00:12:14,010 --> 00:12:16,010 S1: Andrew Hastie I appreciate your time as always. 271 00:12:16,170 --> 00:12:16,450 S2: Thank you. 272 00:12:16,490 --> 00:12:18,250 S1: Mark. Good on you mate. Andrew Hastie there he is 273 00:12:18,250 --> 00:12:21,250 S1: joining us from Canberra. The leader of the opposition deputy 274 00:12:21,250 --> 00:12:23,530 S1: leader of the opposition in the lower House and the 275 00:12:23,530 --> 00:12:26,650 S1: Shadow Minister for Industry and Sovereign Capability. You can have 276 00:12:26,650 --> 00:12:28,930 S1: your say this morning folks. You've heard what Mr. Hastie 277 00:12:28,970 --> 00:12:32,090 S1: has to say. The number to call 131873. You can 278 00:12:32,090 --> 00:12:37,370 S1: email me at job.com and you can text me 0460 873 873. 279 00:12:37,610 --> 00:12:39,770 S1: But what I would say to those in Canberra, whatever 280 00:12:39,770 --> 00:12:42,689 S1: side of politics you are on, that phone call that 281 00:12:42,690 --> 00:12:44,450 S1: we took in the first hour of the show from 282 00:12:44,450 --> 00:12:48,770 S1: Anna should be resonating through the corridors of power, because 283 00:12:48,809 --> 00:12:52,330 S1: Anna speaks on behalf of most Australians who are having 284 00:12:52,330 --> 00:12:56,290 S1: to make sacrifices and choices just to put petrol in 285 00:12:56,330 --> 00:12:59,090 S1: their car, to take their kids to school and to 286 00:12:59,090 --> 00:13:01,610 S1: go to the supermarket, to buy groceries, to put on 287 00:13:01,610 --> 00:13:04,650 S1: the table, and that are groceries that are also the 288 00:13:04,650 --> 00:13:06,170 S1: price of going through the roof.