Speaker 1: Whoa across Australia. This is Weekends with Luke Grant. But
Speaker 1: you gotta keep your head up then you can let
Speaker 1: your hand up.
Speaker 2: You gotta keep your head.
Speaker 1: Up, then you colects your hand up. I know it's
Speaker 1: no it's all to remember sometimes.
Speaker 2: But you gotta keep your head up.
Speaker 1: Then you can let your head down. Good morning, Welcome
Speaker 1: to Weekends with Luke Grant. It's great to be with
Speaker 1: you on two GB in Sydney, four BC in Brisbane
Speaker 1: and via the two GB app and the four BC
Speaker 1: app to listeners all around Australia on Sunday, the eighth
Speaker 1: of June. Winter is in full force for many parts
Speaker 1: of our great country today. There's been up to seven
Speaker 1: inches of snow and some of the key resorts in
Speaker 1: the last twenty four hours and we've got single digit
Speaker 1: tops I say single digit ditch to tops even in
Speaker 1: Canberra and for Sydney in the mid teens. That's where
Speaker 1: we find ourselves today. There's a sheep gravti is warning
Speaker 1: for cold tempts, rain and showers westerly winds expected during
Speaker 1: today and tomorrow, with areas likely to be affected including
Speaker 1: large parts of New South Wales and the acteat even
Speaker 1: extends even extends to parts of the mid North Coast,
Speaker 1: the Hunter even the Illawarra and South Coast forecast districts.
Speaker 1: There is that risk of loss of lamb and sheep
Speaker 1: exposed to these conditions. It's it's winter in Australia. Rug
Speaker 1: up in those areas, or get yourself to Queensland Brisbane
Speaker 1: today sunny and twenty three. Now allow me, if you will,
Speaker 1: to break with what is normal on this show by
Speaker 1: speaking to a distinguished guest on this King's Birthday long
Speaker 1: weekend in many states and territories, except notably Queensland and
Speaker 1: w Way. For my Sydney listeners and those visiting the
Speaker 1: Harbour City, a wonderful event that is a must I
Speaker 1: reckon today. Everyone's invited to come to Government House as
Speaker 1: the Governor marks the King's Birthday at Sydney's Castle by
Speaker 1: the Harbor. The event is on from ten this morning
Speaker 1: until three this afternoon and importantly entry is free of charge.
Speaker 1: But as you'd understand, there's no parking on site, so
Speaker 1: probably public transport is your friend here. Now, amongst other things,
Speaker 1: you can enjoy the music of the Australian Army Band,
Speaker 1: you can explore the spectacular state rooms, even see the
Speaker 1: dining table dressed for a vice regal occasion. And you
Speaker 1: can have a picnic in the gardens. How wonderful. So
Speaker 1: who best to talk about the King's birthday at the house.
Speaker 1: Let me say a very good morning to her Excellency
Speaker 1: the Honorable Margaret Beasley, Governor of New South Wales, who
Speaker 1: is on the line. Governor. An honor to be speaking
Speaker 1: to you today. I hope you.
Speaker 3: Will good morning, Luke, very well and really excited to
Speaker 3: see welcoming everybody who wants to become the Government House
Speaker 3: today because it'll be a beautiful day.
Speaker 1: It will.
Speaker 3: I've been out and I've looked at the harbor, the
Speaker 3: sun of sparkling of the waters. It is a little crisp,
Speaker 3: so the best advice is certainly to rug up, but
Speaker 3: cann't have a picnic in the gardens. It's just a wonderful.
Speaker 1: Day, a wonderful opportunity for people to see the castle
Speaker 1: by the harbor close up with their very whole knives,
Speaker 1: and the history is remarkable. This is your official residence
Speaker 1: and office. You're the twenty eighth governor to occupy this
Speaker 1: Government House. You've been governor. I think since May and
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen in the sixties, you've been there. I'm sure
Speaker 1: you have a favorite place, do you in the house
Speaker 1: to unwind, or perhaps a view you never get tired of.
Speaker 3: It's got to be the morning view, Luke. It's just beautiful.
Speaker 3: I'm very fortunate that the residents, which I have to
Speaker 3: assure people, does not look like the state rooms. So
Speaker 3: the staterooms are something else to be seen. But the
Speaker 3: residents still look out to the east and so every
Speaker 3: morning that's some comes up round about five five point
Speaker 3: thirty and it is spectacular.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the history is fascinating. In seventeen eighty eight, the
Speaker 1: first governor of the Colony of New South Wales, Arthur
Speaker 1: philippilaid the foundations of the first government House. I think
Speaker 1: the building located then in Bridge Street. In eighteen thirty six,
Speaker 1: construction finally began on a new government house. The new
Speaker 1: building influenced in its location and architectural style by the
Speaker 1: existing Governor's stables. They were completed in eighteen twenty one.
Speaker 1: Now the Conservatorium of Music. Locally quarried sandstone was used
Speaker 1: for the construction. It was designed by Edward Blow, architect
Speaker 1: to William the fourth and Queen Victoria. He'd recently built
Speaker 1: the British Houses of Parliament, so there's a kind of
Speaker 1: a unity in design there. And after years of delay,
Speaker 1: really in budget over runs, the house was completed in
Speaker 1: eighteen forty five and that's when Governor Sir George Gibbs,
Speaker 1: the ninth Governor of the state, and his wife took
Speaker 1: up residents. Now, of course it's been extended, refurbished and
Speaker 1: the like. But today I'm right, Governor right, I'm saying
Speaker 1: it holds a significant collection of portraits and furniture and
Speaker 1: decorative arts and memorabilia as a result of the vice
Speaker 1: regal patronage. That's true, isn't it.
Speaker 3: Certainly? And indeed the portraits are very interesting. They're big,
Speaker 3: and they're old, and they line the hallway. But we
Speaker 3: are the only government house in Australia that has a
Speaker 3: portrait of every governor since seventeen eighty eight, and that
Speaker 3: in itself is very interesting. But it also in many
Speaker 3: ways tells you part of the history of not only
Speaker 3: the House, but indeed of the of state of New
Speaker 3: South Wales. Has it been developed and of course became
Speaker 3: part of the Commonwealth, so it is very interesting and
Speaker 3: we use the portraits our guides here. I have to
Speaker 3: tell your listeners are just wonderful, and they're wonderful and
Speaker 3: they're friendly and they're inderformative and they often use the
Speaker 3: portraits to tell a particular part of the history, not
Speaker 3: only of the house but of New South Wales generally.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you mentioned for listeners potentially going along to enjoy
Speaker 1: the gardens with a picnic. There'll be the Australian Army
Speaker 1: Band there. I'll played midday one and a two pm.
Speaker 1: State rooms will be open for expiration slash inspection and
Speaker 1: the dining table dressed for a vice regal occasion I
Speaker 1: can only imagine, but there will also be guide dog
Speaker 1: handlers and the like. There's a two meter kings Cipher.
Speaker 1: People are encouraged to take a selfie there and the
Speaker 1: garden sculpture walk, so there's plenty of things for people
Speaker 1: to do and they're entitled to bring their telephones in
Speaker 1: which there'll be a camera, no doubt. Plenty of long
Speaker 1: lasting memories.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and that's the way we like to share the
Speaker 3: house with everybody. So these days are wonderful in any ways,
Speaker 3: an extension of our first Sunday of the month Jazz Days,
Speaker 3: when we have our various bands again playing sets from twelve,
Speaker 3: one and two and we invite people in and have
Speaker 3: a picnic. You don't have to book, you don't have
Speaker 3: to pay, obviously, but this is just a little more
Speaker 3: special today with particularly I think with the guide dogs.
Speaker 3: I expect that we'll have today not guide dogs, but
Speaker 3: the companion dogs who are also trained by our guide
Speaker 3: Dogs Missus Wales. And it's just beautiful to see the
Speaker 3: way that the dogs are handled and to see that
Speaker 3: the benefit that they give to people in the community.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, Governor. Thank you for sharing Government House
Speaker 1: with the people and all the best for what lives ahead,
Speaker 1: and thanks for everything you do. And in order to
Speaker 1: talk to you, thank you.
Speaker 3: But look, I need to know when you're coming back.
Speaker 3: You haven't been here since starting seventy seven.
Speaker 1: Well, if I got if the Boss is listening, and
Speaker 1: you could give me a little early mark, I'd be
Speaker 1: delighted to come and see you today. But I'll make
Speaker 1: that a priority for later in the year, no doubt. Again,
Speaker 1: thank you for your time.
Speaker 3: Sounds wonderful, Thank you, good on you.
Speaker 1: That's the honorable Margaret Beasley, her Excellency, Governor of New
Speaker 1: South Wales. I was there in nineteen seventy seven in
Speaker 1: my school pipe band. I was a drummer and the
Speaker 1: Queen was there with Prince Philip part of a I'm
Speaker 1: sure it was seventy seven or thereabouts. Anyway, it was
Speaker 1: very exciting and the family, oh, lukey's going to play
Speaker 1: for the Queen, and it was a real thrill. And
Speaker 1: I was just too junior to get to meet the
Speaker 1: official party, you know. I could just tell the way
Speaker 1: that q E two was looking at the band that
Speaker 1: she picked out this six foot four side drummer and
Speaker 1: thought I should meet that young man. I was, I
Speaker 1: think fifteen or sixteen at the time. Through the maths. Yes, anyway,
Speaker 1: that's the New South Wales. The Honorable Margaret Beasley, all
Speaker 1: right on with the show. The official weather in Sydney
Speaker 1: mostly sunny top tens in the city sixteen Penrith sixteen
Speaker 1: Paramatta fifteen bondying along the coast, it should get to
Speaker 1: about fifteen degrees in Brisbane you win sunny day tops
Speaker 1: in the city twenty three, twenty three at the Airport,
Speaker 1: Ipswich twenty three, Gold Coast twenty three and the Sunshine
Speaker 1: Coast twenty three. Now let's get into it. Just a
Speaker 1: few police matters from overnight before I give you the
Speaker 1: latest on bro to Foe, the Trumpster, mask calamity. Let's
Speaker 1: call it cluster musk. I like that seriously. A man
Speaker 1: has died following a rollover involving a four wheel drive
Speaker 1: on a remote Queensland Island. Police say the nineteen year
Speaker 1: old was an occupant of the vehicle that was being
Speaker 1: driven on Beira Road on Mornington Island when the vehicle rolled.
Speaker 1: The nineteen year old Wellesley Island's man was thrown from
Speaker 1: the vehicle and sadly died at the scene. A second
Speaker 1: man taken to hospital with minor injuries. In Sydney, please
Speaker 1: tell me a teenage boy will face court charged after
Speaker 1: a pedestrian was injured in a crash that's in Sydney
Speaker 1: Southwest overnight. Just before eleven pm yesterday, emergency services responded
Speaker 1: to the corner of Nelson and Sackville Street at Fairfield
Speaker 1: reports a vehicle had hit a pedestrian and a park car.
Speaker 1: Officers attended, along with ambulance paramedics who treated the pedestrian.
Speaker 1: A sixty six year old man for serious injuries. He
Speaker 1: was off the hospital in a stable condition. The driver
Speaker 1: and passenger, both aged sixteen, located on Nelson Street A
Speaker 1: short time later. The driver arrested and charged with caused
Speaker 1: bodily harmed by misconduct in charge of motor vehicle, negligent driving,
Speaker 1: learner not a company there you go, failed to stop
Speaker 1: and assist after impact, and various other charges. He was
Speaker 1: given conditional bail. He'll appeared before a children's court Monday,
Speaker 1: August fourth. Back to when his Land detectives had charged
Speaker 1: a man with attempted murder following a shooting in Bethania
Speaker 1: last night. It'll be alleged at five point fifty five pm,
Speaker 1: an argument occurred in Clarendon Street between two men known
Speaker 1: to each other. A sixty two year old man allegedly
Speaker 1: shot a thirty five year old man twice, once in
Speaker 1: the shoulder, once in the chest. The thirty five year
Speaker 1: old Bathania man was transported to Princess Alexandra Hospital. He
Speaker 1: remains in a stable condition. The sixty two year old
Speaker 1: has been charged with one count each of attempted murder,
Speaker 1: action intended to cause grievous bodily harm and failed to
Speaker 1: securely store a weapon. He'll appear at Beenley Magistrate's Court tomorrow.
Speaker 1: And on the Gold Coast, the Forensic crash Unit investigating
Speaker 1: after a man was struck by a vehicle in Hollywell.
Speaker 1: Initial investigations indicated one oh five am a man walking
Speaker 1: on cattle Yard Street. It was struck by a Nissa Novara,
Speaker 1: which then fled the scene. Twenty year old hollyball Man
Speaker 1: was transported to the Gold Coast University Hospital. He remains
Speaker 1: in a critical condition. The driver of the utility at
Speaker 1: twenty three year old Runaway bay Man, located by police
Speaker 1: a short time later and is assisting police in their inquiries.
Speaker 1: Now to Cluster Musk, President Trump says his relationship with
Speaker 1: Elon Musk was likely beyond repair after the two sparred publicly,
Speaker 1: of course, on social media this week. We told you
Speaker 1: about that yesterday. He warned there would be quote serious
Speaker 1: consequences unquote if mister Musk financed candidates to run against
Speaker 1: Republicans who voted in favor of the President's domestic policy bill.
Speaker 1: Now to phone interview with the NBC journalist Kristen Welker,
Speaker 1: Trump said he had no plans to speak with Musk,
Speaker 1: calling the tech billionaire disrespectful to the office of president.
Speaker 1: When asked whether he had any desire to repair the relationship,
Speaker 1: he said no. Trump's of at a range of views
Speaker 1: in his conversations over the past days. In some Trump
Speaker 1: has described Musk as somebody who's gone crazy. In others,
Speaker 1: he's expressed sympathy, as if mister Musk were a wayward sun.
Speaker 1: He's told associates that Musk is out of his mind
Speaker 1: on drugs, but at other times he said he wishes
Speaker 1: him well and has seemed to leave open the possibility
Speaker 1: of reconciliation. He's also dangled the threat of canceling contracts
Speaker 1: that Musk's companies have with the federal government. Now, behind
Speaker 1: the scenes, people close to both men have tried to
Speaker 1: brocrade Detonte, and there have been some signs of a
Speaker 1: de escalation. Musk has deleted some of his most incendiary
Speaker 1: social media posts, and Trump has been more restrained by
Speaker 1: his standards. Advisers to Trump say they think the relationship
Speaker 1: will never be the same again. Have to be too
Speaker 1: bright to you to think that is a likely outcome
Speaker 1: here to be Frank, what a cluster Musk on the
Speaker 1: show today, what a treat Today on the Sunday Sweet
Speaker 1: leading child psychologist Claire Rowe will join me in the studio.
Speaker 1: There's lots to talk about. Australia's foremost gender medicine expert
Speaker 1: and the lead author of the nation's guidelines on gender
Speaker 1: affirming care, Michelle Telfer, was excoriated by a family called
Speaker 1: judge for giving this leading evidence in support of a
Speaker 1: mother who wanted her child to be prescribed puberty blockers.
Speaker 1: Now that's Judge Andrew Strum, who stripped the mother of
Speaker 1: custody and effectively blocked the twelve year old from accessing treatment.
Speaker 1: Criticized the Royal Children's Hospital, Melbourne for failing to give
Speaker 1: the child a former gender dysphoria diagnosis until the court
Speaker 1: proceedings had commenced, despite having treated the child for six years. Hello.
Speaker 1: Also of note, a Monrash University study has found that
Speaker 1: fewer than one in five students who experience in his
Speaker 1: family violence disclosed it to a teacher or school counsel law,
Speaker 1: with more skipping school or becoming fearful of authority figures
Speaker 1: with detrimental effects. Many of the more than sixteen hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty young people surveyed who'd experienced domestic and family
Speaker 1: violence said school was a place to avoid, with some
Speaker 1: dropping out entirely or regularly skipping class, reporting they would
Speaker 1: stay home to protect their parents. Can you believe that
Speaker 1: feed someone noticing bruises were unable to concentrate due to
Speaker 1: being kept up by fighting or at lost friendships at school.
Speaker 1: That to me is so sad. I'll also ask Claire
Speaker 1: how a child psychologist might sort out and me call
Speaker 1: it again cluster Musk. Now, on Sundays we put these
Speaker 1: spotlight on an ordinary osti who's achieved extraordinary things. And
Speaker 1: today we have a ripper, well, look to be frank.
Speaker 1: Every week we have a ripper, but a blow called
Speaker 1: Andy Sishn. Not a household name, but he's with plenty
Speaker 1: of them. He's a bass guitarist. His toured with some
Speaker 1: of the biggest names in music. We're talking the likes
Speaker 1: of Shania Twain, Billy Thorpe, Rose Tattoo Hello, currently playing
Speaker 1: his trade with the one and only Billy Joel Hello,
Speaker 1: who we know hasn't been too well of late. We
Speaker 1: actually became aware of Andy after a listener a made
Speaker 1: of Andy's called in to tell us that Billy was
Speaker 1: not in a good way when we wondered how genuine
Speaker 1: the original story was, so we wanted to find out
Speaker 1: more about Andy's story. He's got plenty of stories, and
Speaker 1: he'll talk to me from New York City and tell
Speaker 1: me about life as Andy seeshon. We have been mentioning
Speaker 1: over the past few weeks these reports about people experiencing
Speaker 1: side effects after taking this a zembic medication. It's a
Speaker 1: weight loss thing and Andy diabetes thing. I told you
Speaker 1: last week of the story that claimed o zembic when
Speaker 1: jarro We guvey they're all similar medications had caused drug
Speaker 1: induced teppatitis in some patients. Now, the link between ozenpic
Speaker 1: and hepatitis isn't clearly established at this stage. However, some
Speaker 1: studies are suggesting it may cause potential liver stress or damage,
Speaker 1: and medical experts are saying some patients should get regular checkups.
Speaker 1: And this followed a story from a fortnight ago claiming
Speaker 1: a number of people on these medications were suffering from
Speaker 1: my disorders. The TGAID received ten reports of sudden vision
Speaker 1: loss caused by this got to be confirmed, with eight
Speaker 1: suffering full or partial blindness, two experiencing vision loss in
Speaker 1: one eye. Now, as I've said about this on multiple occasions,
Speaker 1: I'm not giving you any sort of advice. I'm not
Speaker 1: a doctor, but you probably have a doctor or a
Speaker 1: pharmacist and that's a matter for you and him or
Speaker 1: her or them or of course it's twenty twenty five
Speaker 1: it I don't want to suggest he shouldn't take the medication.
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. It's undeniably done a lot of good for many.
Speaker 1: But a show like this has a well I think
Speaker 1: of responsibility to discuss with experts whether potential users should
Speaker 1: see these reports and take them seriously. So the chair
Speaker 1: of the Royal Australian College of General Practitioners Specific Interests
Speaker 1: Diabetes Group, doctor Gary Dead, will walk us through all
Speaker 1: of this. Stephen Fennick will join me to talk about
Speaker 1: tech in our second hour. He'll walk us through Tells
Speaker 1: to his new satellite messaging service, now available for tell
Speaker 1: Us to customers on a month to month's mobile plan. Initially,
Speaker 1: it will only work with a device from the Samsung
Speaker 1: Galaxy S twenty five series, but it's believed to also
Speaker 1: work with iPhone fourteen in the next few days. Stephen
Speaker 1: with all the details soon. Jim Haynes in our last
Speaker 1: hour reminiscing about old Australian movies. We are genuine trailblazers,
Speaker 1: it must be said our quiz. All the breaking news
Speaker 1: and again plenty of time to talk to you. The
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Speaker 1: and new You can email me at TWOGB dot com,
Speaker 1: FOURBC dot com dot au. So that's what we have
Speaker 1: for you today. Thirteen degrees in Sydney right now, eighteen
Speaker 1: in Brisbane. This is weekends with Luke Grant on two
Speaker 1: GBN four BC. Alrighty, plenty of texts. Thank you for
Speaker 1: those who said global warming, what are a load of hogwash?
Speaker 1: It's called living in Australia. Whatever. Thank you, Ronda, thanks
Speaker 1: very much for your note and another saying Luke, it
Speaker 1: was March nineteen seventy seven. The Queen was here part
Speaker 1: of a silver jubilee. Amazing that she lived another forty
Speaker 1: five years to celebrate seventy years. She died on my
Speaker 1: seventieth birthday. Is that right? Ros I will always remember
Speaker 1: that date, of course you will. Thank you Roz for
Speaker 1: getting in touch. Now. A housing crisis update on the
Speaker 1: The Sabbath courtesy of the Telegraph Today, they say the
Speaker 1: answer to Sydney's housing crisis could be found in divine intervention.
Speaker 1: Look this will be a punathon. Just stay with me here.
Speaker 1: With Premier Chris Mins urged to seek help from a
Speaker 1: higher power to build well located affordable homes. Now, with
Speaker 1: the Men's government scrambling for an alternative to build twenty
Speaker 1: five thousand homes at Rose Hill after that plan disintegrated,
Speaker 1: underused church land could be the answer to mister Min's prayers,
Speaker 1: warned you. A group of faith based organizations now urging
Speaker 1: Planning Minister Paul Scully to change planning rules to let
Speaker 1: churches build tens of thousands of homes on their land.
Speaker 1: The Sunday Telegraph reveals that Premier Min's will look at
Speaker 1: letting churches build housing developments, with the Premier describing the
Speaker 1: pro proposal as a good idea. Across New South Wales,
Speaker 1: Faith Housing Australia has found seven hundred and forty seven
Speaker 1: faith owned sites within ten minutes walk of a train station,
Speaker 1: which could be turned into twenty thousand affordable homes. The
Speaker 1: organization is calling for Planning Minister Paul Scully to allow
Speaker 1: churches to build homes on their land by relaxing zoning
Speaker 1: rules for places of worship. Do you reckon this is
Speaker 1: a good idea. Currently, homes are prohibited from being built
Speaker 1: on land zoned SP two, which is a place of
Speaker 1: public worship Faith Housing Australia Chair you'll know this name,
Speaker 1: Rob Stokes said that could be changed with the stroke
Speaker 1: of a pen. Well he knows a former minister. This
Speaker 1: would allow faith groups to build homes on land zone
Speaker 1: for places of worship. That could add twenty thousand homes
Speaker 1: in some of the best located sites in Sydney and
Speaker 1: other key sites around the state. He said. Providing more
Speaker 1: opportunities for social and affordable housing consistent with the mission
Speaker 1: of faith groups will help address an acute community need. Well,
Speaker 1: I can tell you the premiere is well seemingly on board.
Speaker 1: And if it's a stroke of a pen, one might
Speaker 1: say to old mate Rob Stokes, well that you were
Speaker 1: there long enough. Tell why didn't you do it? Well,
Speaker 1: he's already provided that answer. Nobody asked, there you go.
Speaker 1: Nobody asked me, isn't it funny? Everything's so reactionary. Could
Speaker 1: have gone on the front foot just saying, Hey, you
Speaker 1: see that three acres at the back. Any chance, with
Speaker 1: a stroke of a pen, I can make that happen. Oh,
Speaker 1: he wouldn't knock on the way up, but you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So as an alternative to rose Hill,
Speaker 1: maybe there's that you and I both know something has
Speaker 1: to happen. This may be it. Time will tell no
Speaker 1: Now on weekends the Sunday sweet looking at the stories
Speaker 1: of the week. Today a real tree joined in the
Speaker 1: studio by leading child psychologists, clear rogue, good day, love
Speaker 1: to see you.
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. I love being in Well.
Speaker 1: Look, we referred to you as a great friend of
Speaker 1: the program. I don't want to just claim that as
Speaker 1: a thing. Are you comfortable with us using that expression,
Speaker 1: because if.
Speaker 2: You are, we can be friends. Luke program.
Speaker 1: So I told you, let's start here. This judge who's
Speaker 1: lambastterd Michelle Telfer over gender guidelines and the report goes
Speaker 1: Australia's foremost apparently gender medicine expert and lead author of
Speaker 1: the nation's guidelines on gender affirming care, Michelle Telfer came
Speaker 1: under the attention of a family called judge for giving
Speaker 1: misleading evidence in support of a mother who wanted her
Speaker 1: child to be prescribed puberty blockers. This involves Judge Andrew
Speaker 1: Scrum and one of the aspects of this which I
Speaker 1: found concerning was that this child was under the treatment
Speaker 1: of the hospital for I think six years, and it
Speaker 1: was only until the court proceedings had commenced that there
Speaker 1: was some treatment and there was the diagnosis. Now, I'm
Speaker 1: sure these can happen in life, but it just doesn't
Speaker 1: appear to all match up. Tell us about the story
Speaker 1: and what concerns you most.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this judgment that was handed down by Justice Strum
Speaker 2: in the Family Court in April of this year is
Speaker 2: hugely significant both in the family court circles, but also
Speaker 2: for us who have been There is a group of
Speaker 2: US clinicians who have been really trying to speak at
Speaker 2: against what is called gender affirming care and when it
Speaker 2: is used blindly with children and so for listeners. Gender
Speaker 2: affirming care is the treatment that mental health professionals are
Speaker 2: told to use when a child of any age comes
Speaker 2: to us and says, I feel like I'm in the
Speaker 2: wrong body, I'm a boy who I want to be
Speaker 2: a girl. We are to absolutely affirm those thoughts and feelings.
Speaker 2: We are not to challenge them, and in fact we're
Speaker 2: told to help them socially transition to the other gender. Now,
Speaker 2: that might be in the context look of a child
Speaker 2: having a background of significant developmental disorders like autism, mental
Speaker 2: health disorders like this child, and the family court high conflict,
Speaker 2: parental divorce. And in fact, there are clinicians in this state,
Speaker 2: including myself, who, when we want to take a watch
Speaker 2: and wait approach and we want to say let's just
Speaker 2: park the gender issue and let's work on some of
Speaker 2: these other things going on in your life, we have
Speaker 2: been accused of being the ones doing conversion therapy. Funnily enough,
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, did I guess say this? I reckon. I know
Speaker 1: my audience pretty well over many decades. I reckon that
Speaker 1: they would sit with So hang on, you just want
Speaker 1: to part things and have a chat about the bigger issues. Gee,
Speaker 1: that makes sense. That's almost I don't know what's right
Speaker 1: or wrong, but it seems that, in fact is right.
Speaker 1: It disturbs me to think that you can't even do that.
Speaker 2: Yes, And I think the problem is a lot of
Speaker 2: parents think that they're going to get a very thorough
Speaker 2: and nuanced assessment when they go to these gender clinics
Speaker 2: that are in you know, the Royal Children's Hospital in Melbourne,
Speaker 2: Sydney Children's Hospital, and they don't. What they get is
Speaker 2: a very fast, medicalized approach. The significance of this judgment
Speaker 2: in April and what happened this week is that Justice
Speaker 2: Strum has allowed for one of the first times experts
Speaker 2: giving evidence in the family court to be named publicly.
Speaker 2: Now that how the ever happens, there are very tight
Speaker 2: orders within family court circles, obviously to protect family's identities.
Speaker 2: For those in the know, like myself, we knew it
Speaker 2: was Professor Michel Telfer when we read the judgment, but
Speaker 2: of course Justice Strum said though it was in the
Speaker 2: public's best interest this week to know the hospital, which
Speaker 2: is the Royal Children's in Melbourne, and Professor Michel Telfer
Speaker 2: is actually the one who has written the national guidelines
Speaker 2: on gender affirming care. Yeah, so she has been absolutely instrumental.
Speaker 2: And I actually have to say congratulations to the Australia newspaper.
Speaker 2: They have been pushing this for six years on stories
Speaker 2: of this and they are the ones who have pushed
Speaker 2: now for the naming of Professor Telfer. So it's a
Speaker 2: watch and wait space. In regards to her position, I
Speaker 2: would argue that it's untenable now for her to continue
Speaker 2: as head of that gender clinic. The public has to
Speaker 2: know what's going on, and we have to return to
Speaker 2: a science led argument. Okay, because gender dysphoria is the
Speaker 2: only condition whereby we are told to lean into the
Speaker 2: delusions and anxieties of a presentation and not challenge them.
Speaker 2: It is the only one that we are told to
Speaker 2: go along with. And if we don't wear the ones
Speaker 2: harming the children.
Speaker 1: I'm mentioning you off there that And this goes back
Speaker 1: five years. A mother approached me privately wanting assistance to
Speaker 1: raise this issue because she had so I don't know
Speaker 1: about dead naming and what I can and can't say.
Speaker 1: It's such a complicated area it don' would offend anyone.
Speaker 1: But she said to me, I'm not naming anyone. Her
Speaker 1: son had suffered extraordinary bullying and was then having some counseling,
Speaker 1: and the conclusion was that her son was in the
Speaker 1: wrong body and was of the wrong gender. And this
Speaker 1: went on for a couple of years, and as a
Speaker 1: caring mother wanted to be involved and was completely locked
Speaker 1: out of the conversation and then of course you hit
Speaker 1: the magic auge and then you are locked out forever.
Speaker 1: And she said it felt to her like the bullying
Speaker 1: and everything else could not be properly treated, so it
Speaker 1: had to be gender. And she thought, you know, what
Speaker 1: the hell are we doing. And once that became a thing,
Speaker 1: she was locked out and it was all you know,
Speaker 1: it must be gender.
Speaker 2: And you're hearing this story from the thousands and thousands
Speaker 2: of detransitioners now, particularly coming out in America, who were saying,
Speaker 2: you know, the abuse that I was copying as a
Speaker 2: child at home was not investigated, the severe bullying was
Speaker 2: not investigated. My eating disorder that I had at the
Speaker 2: time was not investigated. And of course these are children
Speaker 2: at twelve thirteen years old who are looking for, you know,
Speaker 2: belonging an identity, and so they grasp onto this gender
Speaker 2: idea through social media or whatever. And there is a
Speaker 2: contagion effect. No matter what people say, there absolutely is
Speaker 2: a contagion effect to this. And it is our role,
Speaker 2: as supposed to be scientifically led, evidence based professionals, to
Speaker 2: look at what's going on and hold a multitude of
Speaker 2: alternative hypotheses. And that's not being done. We're turning a
Speaker 2: blind eye to all that and pushing kids through a
Speaker 2: lifelong medical route, absolutely lifelong destroying people who are now
Speaker 2: coming out. And of course, legislator, the litigation in the
Speaker 2: US has absolutely gone bananas, with detransitioners now suing and
Speaker 2: that will come here.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Another issue from the week. Monash University study
Speaker 1: has found that fewer than one in five students who
Speaker 1: experienced family violence disclosed it to a teacher or to
Speaker 1: a school counsel or, with more skipping school or becoming
Speaker 1: fearful of authority figures with detrimental effects. Does that surprise you, No.
Speaker 2: It doesn't surprise me. And that's because some may think
Speaker 2: out there that if you're being abused at home, school
Speaker 2: would be the safe place and somewhere where children want
Speaker 2: to go. But let me be clear. A child does
Speaker 2: not thrive or is unable to learn if they are
Speaker 2: in a state of survival, and so what happens is
Speaker 2: that they very quickly become disengaged from school. I say,
Speaker 2: you can't learn your timetables in a war zone, right,
Speaker 2: so you prioritize the body, prioritizes survival, and so what happens,
Speaker 2: of course, is you slip behind academically very very quickly,
Speaker 2: and that's not been a nice place to go. You
Speaker 2: socially become isolated from friends, and so yes, being in
Speaker 2: a school environment is very difficult. You also start displaying
Speaker 2: with so called mystery illnesses and excuses not to go.
Speaker 2: You don't want to go if you have physical signs
Speaker 2: of abuse because you don't want to be questioned. Okay,
Speaker 2: And there is a lot of research that shows that
Speaker 2: children who are abused in a home environment with adults
Speaker 2: generalize that to becoming mistrusting with other adults. So it's
Speaker 2: incredibly sad. And of course during COVID times, that's why
Speaker 2: this was amplified that not even the one in five
Speaker 2: were being picked up because they were locked inside at
Speaker 2: home and not able to be seen at school at all.
Speaker 2: So it's incredibly sad. But when a child undergoes whether
Speaker 2: that's physical, sexual, or emotional abuse, essentially their nervous system
Speaker 2: is hijacked. They have no cognitive capacity to take on
Speaker 2: new information understandably, and they do in fact, as you
Speaker 2: rightly said earlier this morning, some children sadly want to
Speaker 2: stay at home to protect perhaps another parent.
Speaker 1: That breaks your heart. Doesn't it.
Speaker 2: Particularly early teenage years, you will get you know, fourteen
Speaker 2: year olds, fifteen year olds giving up school to stay
Speaker 2: home to protect you know, a parent who is the
Speaker 2: subject of abuse. Incredibly sad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is. Got that's instructive. You can't learn
Speaker 1: your times tables in a war zone, so if your
Speaker 1: home's a war zone, I mean, very simple words. But
Speaker 1: how wonderful is that? Or understanding gives its a great
Speaker 1: way to understand that. Donald Trump and Elon Musk, Claire
Speaker 1: Roll with Claire leading child psychologists perfect to deal with
Speaker 1: this issue, the cluster Musk. They'll never ever be friends again.
Speaker 1: They can't, can They mean, He's mentioned Nepstein and we're
Speaker 1: now with that equals and Donald's got the He's got
Speaker 1: the the nuclear sized button and everything else at his disposal.
Speaker 1: So he probably wins on the power rankings. And they're done,
Speaker 1: aren't they.
Speaker 2: They've got a big ton. I don't know whether I've
Speaker 2: reached my pay grade here because I mean, this is
Speaker 2: not just political performance. I mean this is absolutely a
Speaker 2: psychological spectacle from my, you know, my point of view
Speaker 2: of two power driven narcissists, you know, out for a
Speaker 2: dominance battle here who are just throwing grenades in the
Speaker 2: form of tweets and social media updates. And that's the thing.
Speaker 2: We've got two men with extremely inflated self images with
Speaker 2: their own fan base who mirror that back to them
Speaker 2: their own sense of importance. And you know, I think
Speaker 2: Trump kind of sees Musk as a threat when he
Speaker 2: comes in with his kind of pseudo libertarian tech speak,
Speaker 2: and he sees that as a threat on his you know,
Speaker 2: political domain, and then of course he fires back with
Speaker 2: these threats of pulling contracts for him. And you know
Speaker 2: that they've got very, very different agendas. Musk with a
Speaker 2: far more physical but globalist I think idea of how
Speaker 2: he's going to save humanity through space travel and AI
Speaker 2: and you know, the tech side of things, and Trump,
Speaker 2: you know, his focus is completely different on America first
Speaker 2: and you know, restoring American American dominance through the working class,
Speaker 2: and that's where his emphasis is. And so I think
Speaker 2: this was always predicted. I'm not sure if it's I
Speaker 2: think it's come earlier, maybe abound six months post inauguration here,
Speaker 2: and it's blown up. It's a very i mean, the
Speaker 2: spectacle past, the popcorn of this is unbelievable if it
Speaker 2: wasn't for the fact that at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: the public losers. We've got really important things going on.
Speaker 2: We've got tariff talks with China, We've got nuclear energy
Speaker 2: talks with her. We've got Trump at the moment blocking
Speaker 2: immigration from most Muslim countries and being called racist by Iran.
Speaker 2: And we've got summits soon in Canada where hopefully our
Speaker 2: Prime minister maybe we'll get a chance to speak with
Speaker 2: Trump and that will be interesting on the back of
Speaker 2: all these defense spending tensions, all this stuff going on.
Speaker 2: But what do you think people are going to want
Speaker 2: to click on? This is unbelievable content and this is
Speaker 2: what the media will now focus on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, which we are doing right now. Claire, love
Speaker 1: to see you, Thank you for coming.
Speaker 2: In, Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Talking again soon. Leading to our psychologist Claire Road doing
Speaker 1: great work at the IPA too, Institute of Public Affairs.
Speaker 1: Keep your eye out for that.