WEBVTT - The Sunday Showdown with Clare Rowe

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<v Speaker 1>Whoa across Australia. This is Weekends with Luke Grant. But

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta keep your head up then you can let

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<v Speaker 1>your hand up.

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<v Speaker 2>You gotta keep your head.

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<v Speaker 1>Up, then you colects your hand up. I know it's

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<v Speaker 1>no it's all to remember sometimes.

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<v Speaker 2>But you gotta keep your head up.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you can let your head down. Good morning, Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to Weekends with Luke Grant. It's great to be with

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<v Speaker 1>you on two GB in Sydney, four BC in Brisbane

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<v Speaker 1>and via the two GB app and the four BC

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<v Speaker 1>app to listeners all around Australia on Sunday, the eighth

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<v Speaker 1>of June. Winter is in full force for many parts

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<v Speaker 1>of our great country today. There's been up to seven

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<v Speaker 1>inches of snow and some of the key resorts in

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<v Speaker 1>the last twenty four hours and we've got single digit

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<v Speaker 1>tops I say single digit ditch to tops even in

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<v Speaker 1>Canberra and for Sydney in the mid teens. That's where

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<v Speaker 1>we find ourselves today. There's a sheep gravti is warning

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<v Speaker 1>for cold tempts, rain and showers westerly winds expected during

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<v Speaker 1>today and tomorrow, with areas likely to be affected including

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<v Speaker 1>large parts of New South Wales and the acteat even

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<v Speaker 1>extends even extends to parts of the mid North Coast,

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<v Speaker 1>the Hunter even the Illawarra and South Coast forecast districts.

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<v Speaker 1>There is that risk of loss of lamb and sheep

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<v Speaker 1>exposed to these conditions. It's it's winter in Australia. Rug

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<v Speaker 1>up in those areas, or get yourself to Queensland Brisbane

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<v Speaker 1>today sunny and twenty three. Now allow me, if you will,

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<v Speaker 1>to break with what is normal on this show by

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<v Speaker 1>speaking to a distinguished guest on this King's Birthday long

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<v Speaker 1>weekend in many states and territories, except notably Queensland and

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<v Speaker 1>w Way. For my Sydney listeners and those visiting the

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<v Speaker 1>Harbour City, a wonderful event that is a must I

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<v Speaker 1>reckon today. Everyone's invited to come to Government House as

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<v Speaker 1>the Governor marks the King's Birthday at Sydney's Castle by

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<v Speaker 1>the Harbor. The event is on from ten this morning

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<v Speaker 1>until three this afternoon and importantly entry is free of charge.

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<v Speaker 1>But as you'd understand, there's no parking on site, so

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<v Speaker 1>probably public transport is your friend here. Now, amongst other things,

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<v Speaker 1>you can enjoy the music of the Australian Army Band,

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<v Speaker 1>you can explore the spectacular state rooms, even see the

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<v Speaker 1>dining table dressed for a vice regal occasion. And you

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<v Speaker 1>can have a picnic in the gardens. How wonderful. So

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<v Speaker 1>who best to talk about the King's birthday at the house.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me say a very good morning to her Excellency

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<v Speaker 1>the Honorable Margaret Beasley, Governor of New South Wales, who

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<v Speaker 1>is on the line. Governor. An honor to be speaking

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<v Speaker 1>to you today. I hope you.

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<v Speaker 3>Will good morning, Luke, very well and really excited to

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<v Speaker 3>see welcoming everybody who wants to become the Government House

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<v Speaker 3>today because it'll be a beautiful day.

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<v Speaker 1>It will.

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<v Speaker 3>I've been out and I've looked at the harbor, the

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<v Speaker 3>sun of sparkling of the waters. It is a little crisp,

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<v Speaker 3>so the best advice is certainly to rug up, but

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<v Speaker 3>cann't have a picnic in the gardens. It's just a wonderful.

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<v Speaker 1>Day, a wonderful opportunity for people to see the castle

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<v Speaker 1>by the harbor close up with their very whole knives,

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<v Speaker 1>and the history is remarkable. This is your official residence

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<v Speaker 1>and office. You're the twenty eighth governor to occupy this

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<v Speaker 1>Government House. You've been governor. I think since May and

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<v Speaker 1>twenty nineteen in the sixties, you've been there. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>you have a favorite place, do you in the house

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<v Speaker 1>to unwind, or perhaps a view you never get tired of.

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<v Speaker 3>It's got to be the morning view, Luke. It's just beautiful.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm very fortunate that the residents, which I have to

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<v Speaker 3>assure people, does not look like the state rooms. So

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<v Speaker 3>the staterooms are something else to be seen. But the

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<v Speaker 3>residents still look out to the east and so every

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<v Speaker 3>morning that's some comes up round about five five point

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<v Speaker 3>thirty and it is spectacular.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the history is fascinating. In seventeen eighty eight, the

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<v Speaker 1>first governor of the Colony of New South Wales, Arthur

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<v Speaker 1>philippilaid the foundations of the first government House. I think

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<v Speaker 1>the building located then in Bridge Street. In eighteen thirty six,

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<v Speaker 1>construction finally began on a new government house. The new

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<v Speaker 1>building influenced in its location and architectural style by the

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<v Speaker 1>existing Governor's stables. They were completed in eighteen twenty one.

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<v Speaker 1>Now the Conservatorium of Music. Locally quarried sandstone was used

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<v Speaker 1>for the construction. It was designed by Edward Blow, architect

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<v Speaker 1>to William the fourth and Queen Victoria. He'd recently built

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<v Speaker 1>the British Houses of Parliament, so there's a kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a unity in design there. And after years of delay,

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<v Speaker 1>really in budget over runs, the house was completed in

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen forty five and that's when Governor Sir George Gibbs,

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<v Speaker 1>the ninth Governor of the state, and his wife took

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<v Speaker 1>up residents. Now, of course it's been extended, refurbished and

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<v Speaker 1>the like. But today I'm right, Governor right, I'm saying

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<v Speaker 1>it holds a significant collection of portraits and furniture and

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<v Speaker 1>decorative arts and memorabilia as a result of the vice

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<v Speaker 1>regal patronage. That's true, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 3>Certainly? And indeed the portraits are very interesting. They're big,

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<v Speaker 3>and they're old, and they line the hallway. But we

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<v Speaker 3>are the only government house in Australia that has a

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<v Speaker 3>portrait of every governor since seventeen eighty eight, and that

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<v Speaker 3>in itself is very interesting. But it also in many

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<v Speaker 3>ways tells you part of the history of not only

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<v Speaker 3>the House, but indeed of the of state of New

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<v Speaker 3>South Wales. Has it been developed and of course became

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<v Speaker 3>part of the Commonwealth, so it is very interesting and

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<v Speaker 3>we use the portraits our guides here. I have to

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<v Speaker 3>tell your listeners are just wonderful, and they're wonderful and

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<v Speaker 3>they're friendly and they're inderformative and they often use the

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<v Speaker 3>portraits to tell a particular part of the history, not

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<v Speaker 3>only of the house but of New South Wales generally.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you mentioned for listeners potentially going along to enjoy

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<v Speaker 1>the gardens with a picnic. There'll be the Australian Army

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<v Speaker 1>Band there. I'll played midday one and a two pm.

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<v Speaker 1>State rooms will be open for expiration slash inspection and

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<v Speaker 1>the dining table dressed for a vice regal occasion I

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<v Speaker 1>can only imagine, but there will also be guide dog

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<v Speaker 1>handlers and the like. There's a two meter kings Cipher.

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<v Speaker 1>People are encouraged to take a selfie there and the

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<v Speaker 1>garden sculpture walk, so there's plenty of things for people

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<v Speaker 1>to do and they're entitled to bring their telephones in

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<v Speaker 1>which there'll be a camera, no doubt. Plenty of long

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<v Speaker 1>lasting memories.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, and that's the way we like to share the

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<v Speaker 3>house with everybody. So these days are wonderful in any ways,

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<v Speaker 3>an extension of our first Sunday of the month Jazz Days,

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<v Speaker 3>when we have our various bands again playing sets from twelve,

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<v Speaker 3>one and two and we invite people in and have

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<v Speaker 3>a picnic. You don't have to book, you don't have

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<v Speaker 3>to pay, obviously, but this is just a little more

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<v Speaker 3>special today with particularly I think with the guide dogs.

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<v Speaker 3>I expect that we'll have today not guide dogs, but

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<v Speaker 3>the companion dogs who are also trained by our guide

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<v Speaker 3>Dogs Missus Wales. And it's just beautiful to see the

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<v Speaker 3>way that the dogs are handled and to see that

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<v Speaker 3>the benefit that they give to people in the community.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're right, Governor. Thank you for sharing Government House

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<v Speaker 1>with the people and all the best for what lives ahead,

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<v Speaker 1>and thanks for everything you do. And in order to

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<v Speaker 1>talk to you, thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>But look, I need to know when you're coming back.

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<v Speaker 3>You haven't been here since starting seventy seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, if I got if the Boss is listening, and

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<v Speaker 1>you could give me a little early mark, I'd be

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<v Speaker 1>delighted to come and see you today. But I'll make

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<v Speaker 1>that a priority for later in the year, no doubt. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for your time.

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<v Speaker 3>Sounds wonderful, Thank you, good on you.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the honorable Margaret Beasley, her Excellency, Governor of New

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<v Speaker 1>South Wales. I was there in nineteen seventy seven in

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<v Speaker 1>my school pipe band. I was a drummer and the

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<v Speaker 1>Queen was there with Prince Philip part of a I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure it was seventy seven or thereabouts. Anyway, it was

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<v Speaker 1>very exciting and the family, oh, lukey's going to play

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<v Speaker 1>for the Queen, and it was a real thrill. And

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<v Speaker 1>I was just too junior to get to meet the

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<v Speaker 1>official party, you know. I could just tell the way

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<v Speaker 1>that q E two was looking at the band that

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<v Speaker 1>she picked out this six foot four side drummer and

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<v Speaker 1>thought I should meet that young man. I was, I

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<v Speaker 1>think fifteen or sixteen at the time. Through the maths. Yes, anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the New South Wales. The Honorable Margaret Beasley, all

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<v Speaker 1>right on with the show. The official weather in Sydney

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<v Speaker 1>mostly sunny top tens in the city sixteen Penrith sixteen

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<v Speaker 1>Paramatta fifteen bondying along the coast, it should get to

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<v Speaker 1>about fifteen degrees in Brisbane you win sunny day tops

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<v Speaker 1>in the city twenty three, twenty three at the Airport,

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<v Speaker 1>Ipswich twenty three, Gold Coast twenty three and the Sunshine

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<v Speaker 1>Coast twenty three. Now let's get into it. Just a

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<v Speaker 1>few police matters from overnight before I give you the

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<v Speaker 1>latest on bro to Foe, the Trumpster, mask calamity. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>call it cluster musk. I like that seriously. A man

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<v Speaker 1>has died following a rollover involving a four wheel drive

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<v Speaker 1>on a remote Queensland Island. Police say the nineteen year

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<v Speaker 1>old was an occupant of the vehicle that was being

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<v Speaker 1>driven on Beira Road on Mornington Island when the vehicle rolled.

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<v Speaker 1>The nineteen year old Wellesley Island's man was thrown from

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<v Speaker 1>the vehicle and sadly died at the scene. A second

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<v Speaker 1>man taken to hospital with minor injuries. In Sydney, please

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<v Speaker 1>tell me a teenage boy will face court charged after

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<v Speaker 1>a pedestrian was injured in a crash that's in Sydney

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<v Speaker 1>Southwest overnight. Just before eleven pm yesterday, emergency services responded

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<v Speaker 1>to the corner of Nelson and Sackville Street at Fairfield

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<v Speaker 1>reports a vehicle had hit a pedestrian and a park car.

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<v Speaker 1>Officers attended, along with ambulance paramedics who treated the pedestrian.

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<v Speaker 1>A sixty six year old man for serious injuries. He

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<v Speaker 1>was off the hospital in a stable condition. The driver

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<v Speaker 1>and passenger, both aged sixteen, located on Nelson Street A

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<v Speaker 1>short time later. The driver arrested and charged with caused

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<v Speaker 1>bodily harmed by misconduct in charge of motor vehicle, negligent driving,

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<v Speaker 1>learner not a company there you go, failed to stop

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<v Speaker 1>and assist after impact, and various other charges. He was

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<v Speaker 1>given conditional bail. He'll appeared before a children's court Monday,

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<v Speaker 1>August fourth. Back to when his Land detectives had charged

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<v Speaker 1>a man with attempted murder following a shooting in Bethania

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<v Speaker 1>last night. It'll be alleged at five point fifty five pm,

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<v Speaker 1>an argument occurred in Clarendon Street between two men known

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<v Speaker 1>to each other. A sixty two year old man allegedly

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<v Speaker 1>shot a thirty five year old man twice, once in

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<v Speaker 1>the shoulder, once in the chest. The thirty five year

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<v Speaker 1>old Bathania man was transported to Princess Alexandra Hospital. He

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<v Speaker 1>remains in a stable condition. The sixty two year old

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<v Speaker 1>has been charged with one count each of attempted murder,

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<v Speaker 1>action intended to cause grievous bodily harm and failed to

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<v Speaker 1>securely store a weapon. He'll appear at Beenley Magistrate's Court tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>And on the Gold Coast, the Forensic crash Unit investigating

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<v Speaker 1>after a man was struck by a vehicle in Hollywell.

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<v Speaker 1>Initial investigations indicated one oh five am a man walking

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<v Speaker 1>on cattle Yard Street. It was struck by a Nissa Novara,

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<v Speaker 1>which then fled the scene. Twenty year old hollyball Man

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<v Speaker 1>was transported to the Gold Coast University Hospital. He remains

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<v Speaker 1>in a critical condition. The driver of the utility at

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three year old Runaway bay Man, located by police

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<v Speaker 1>a short time later and is assisting police in their inquiries.

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<v Speaker 1>Now to Cluster Musk, President Trump says his relationship with

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<v Speaker 1>Elon Musk was likely beyond repair after the two sparred publicly,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, on social media this week. We told you

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<v Speaker 1>about that yesterday. He warned there would be quote serious

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<v Speaker 1>consequences unquote if mister Musk financed candidates to run against

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans who voted in favor of the President's domestic policy bill.

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<v Speaker 1>Now to phone interview with the NBC journalist Kristen Welker,

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<v Speaker 1>Trump said he had no plans to speak with Musk,

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<v Speaker 1>calling the tech billionaire disrespectful to the office of president.

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<v Speaker 1>When asked whether he had any desire to repair the relationship,

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<v Speaker 1>he said no. Trump's of at a range of views

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<v Speaker 1>in his conversations over the past days. In some Trump

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<v Speaker 1>has described Musk as somebody who's gone crazy. In others,

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<v Speaker 1>he's expressed sympathy, as if mister Musk were a wayward sun.

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<v Speaker 1>He's told associates that Musk is out of his mind

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<v Speaker 1>on drugs, but at other times he said he wishes

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<v Speaker 1>him well and has seemed to leave open the possibility

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<v Speaker 1>of reconciliation. He's also dangled the threat of canceling contracts

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<v Speaker 1>that Musk's companies have with the federal government. Now, behind

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<v Speaker 1>the scenes, people close to both men have tried to

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<v Speaker 1>brocrade Detonte, and there have been some signs of a

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<v Speaker 1>de escalation. Musk has deleted some of his most incendiary

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<v Speaker 1>social media posts, and Trump has been more restrained by

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<v Speaker 1>his standards. Advisers to Trump say they think the relationship

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<v Speaker 1>will never be the same again. Have to be too

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<v Speaker 1>bright to you to think that is a likely outcome

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<v Speaker 1>here to be Frank, what a cluster Musk on the

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<v Speaker 1>show today, what a treat Today on the Sunday Sweet

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<v Speaker 1>leading child psychologist Claire Rowe will join me in the studio.

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<v Speaker 1>There's lots to talk about. Australia's foremost gender medicine expert

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<v Speaker 1>and the lead author of the nation's guidelines on gender

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<v Speaker 1>affirming care, Michelle Telfer, was excoriated by a family called

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<v Speaker 1>judge for giving this leading evidence in support of a

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<v Speaker 1>mother who wanted her child to be prescribed puberty blockers.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that's Judge Andrew Strum, who stripped the mother of

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<v Speaker 1>custody and effectively blocked the twelve year old from accessing treatment.

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<v Speaker 1>Criticized the Royal Children's Hospital, Melbourne for failing to give

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<v Speaker 1>the child a former gender dysphoria diagnosis until the court

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<v Speaker 1>proceedings had commenced, despite having treated the child for six years. Hello.

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<v Speaker 1>Also of note, a Monrash University study has found that

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<v Speaker 1>fewer than one in five students who experience in his

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<v Speaker 1>family violence disclosed it to a teacher or school counsel law,

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<v Speaker 1>with more skipping school or becoming fearful of authority figures

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<v Speaker 1>with detrimental effects. Many of the more than sixteen hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty young people surveyed who'd experienced domestic and family

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<v Speaker 1>violence said school was a place to avoid, with some

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<v Speaker 1>dropping out entirely or regularly skipping class, reporting they would

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<v Speaker 1>stay home to protect their parents. Can you believe that

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<v Speaker 1>feed someone noticing bruises were unable to concentrate due to

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<v Speaker 1>being kept up by fighting or at lost friendships at school.

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<v Speaker 1>That to me is so sad. I'll also ask Claire

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<v Speaker 1>how a child psychologist might sort out and me call

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<v Speaker 1>it again cluster Musk. Now, on Sundays we put these

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<v Speaker 1>spotlight on an ordinary osti who's achieved extraordinary things. And

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<v Speaker 1>today we have a ripper, well, look to be frank.

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<v Speaker 1>Every week we have a ripper, but a blow called

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<v Speaker 1>Andy Sishn. Not a household name, but he's with plenty

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<v Speaker 1>of them. He's a bass guitarist. His toured with some

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<v Speaker 1>of the biggest names in music. We're talking the likes

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<v Speaker 1>of Shania Twain, Billy Thorpe, Rose Tattoo Hello, currently playing

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<v Speaker 1>his trade with the one and only Billy Joel Hello,

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<v Speaker 1>who we know hasn't been too well of late. We

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<v Speaker 1>actually became aware of Andy after a listener a made

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<v Speaker 1>of Andy's called in to tell us that Billy was

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<v Speaker 1>not in a good way when we wondered how genuine

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<v Speaker 1>the original story was, so we wanted to find out

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<v Speaker 1>more about Andy's story. He's got plenty of stories, and

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<v Speaker 1>he'll talk to me from New York City and tell

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<v Speaker 1>me about life as Andy seeshon. We have been mentioning

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<v Speaker 1>over the past few weeks these reports about people experiencing

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<v Speaker 1>side effects after taking this a zembic medication. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>weight loss thing and Andy diabetes thing. I told you

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<v Speaker 1>last week of the story that claimed o zembic when

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<v Speaker 1>jarro We guvey they're all similar medications had caused drug

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<v Speaker 1>induced teppatitis in some patients. Now, the link between ozenpic

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<v Speaker 1>and hepatitis isn't clearly established at this stage. However, some

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<v Speaker 1>studies are suggesting it may cause potential liver stress or damage,

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<v Speaker 1>and medical experts are saying some patients should get regular checkups.

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<v Speaker 1>And this followed a story from a fortnight ago claiming

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<v Speaker 1>a number of people on these medications were suffering from

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<v Speaker 1>my disorders. The TGAID received ten reports of sudden vision

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<v Speaker 1>loss caused by this got to be confirmed, with eight

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<v Speaker 1>suffering full or partial blindness, two experiencing vision loss in

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<v Speaker 1>one eye. Now, as I've said about this on multiple occasions,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not giving you any sort of advice. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>a doctor, but you probably have a doctor or a

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<v Speaker 1>pharmacist and that's a matter for you and him or

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<v Speaker 1>her or them or of course it's twenty twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>it I don't want to suggest he shouldn't take the medication.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely not. It's undeniably done a lot of good for many.

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<v Speaker 1>But a show like this has a well I think

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<v Speaker 1>of responsibility to discuss with experts whether potential users should

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<v Speaker 1>see these reports and take them seriously. So the chair

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<v Speaker 1>of the Royal Australian College of General Practitioners Specific Interests

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<v Speaker 1>Diabetes Group, doctor Gary Dead, will walk us through all

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<v Speaker 1>hour reminiscing about old Australian movies. We are genuine trailblazers,

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<v Speaker 1>and again plenty of time to talk to you. The

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<v Speaker 1>for you today. Thirteen degrees in Sydney right now, eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>in Brisbane. This is weekends with Luke Grant on two

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<v Speaker 1>GBN four BC. Alrighty, plenty of texts. Thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>those who said global warming, what are a load of hogwash?

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<v Speaker 1>It's called living in Australia. Whatever. Thank you, Ronda, thanks

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<v Speaker 1>very much for your note and another saying Luke, it

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<v Speaker 1>was March nineteen seventy seven. The Queen was here part

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<v Speaker 1>of a silver jubilee. Amazing that she lived another forty

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<v Speaker 1>five years to celebrate seventy years. She died on my

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<v Speaker 1>seventieth birthday. Is that right? Ros I will always remember

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<v Speaker 1>that date, of course you will. Thank you Roz for

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<v Speaker 1>getting in touch. Now. A housing crisis update on the

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<v Speaker 1>The Sabbath courtesy of the Telegraph Today, they say the

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<v Speaker 1>answer to Sydney's housing crisis could be found in divine intervention.

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<v Speaker 1>Look this will be a punathon. Just stay with me here.

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<v Speaker 1>With Premier Chris Mins urged to seek help from a

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<v Speaker 1>higher power to build well located affordable homes. Now, with

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<v Speaker 1>the Men's government scrambling for an alternative to build twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five thousand homes at Rose Hill after that plan disintegrated,

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<v Speaker 1>underused church land could be the answer to mister Min's prayers,

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<v Speaker 1>warned you. A group of faith based organizations now urging

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<v Speaker 1>Planning Minister Paul Scully to change planning rules to let

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<v Speaker 1>churches build tens of thousands of homes on their land.

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<v Speaker 1>The Sunday Telegraph reveals that Premier Min's will look at

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<v Speaker 1>letting churches build housing developments, with the Premier describing the

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<v Speaker 1>pro proposal as a good idea. Across New South Wales,

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<v Speaker 1>Faith Housing Australia has found seven hundred and forty seven

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<v Speaker 1>faith owned sites within ten minutes walk of a train station,

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<v Speaker 1>which could be turned into twenty thousand affordable homes. The

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<v Speaker 1>organization is calling for Planning Minister Paul Scully to allow

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<v Speaker 1>churches to build homes on their land by relaxing zoning

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<v Speaker 1>rules for places of worship. Do you reckon this is

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<v Speaker 1>a good idea. Currently, homes are prohibited from being built

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<v Speaker 1>on land zoned SP two, which is a place of

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<v Speaker 1>public worship Faith Housing Australia Chair you'll know this name,

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<v Speaker 1>Rob Stokes said that could be changed with the stroke

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<v Speaker 1>of a pen. Well he knows a former minister. This

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<v Speaker 1>would allow faith groups to build homes on land zone

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<v Speaker 1>for places of worship. That could add twenty thousand homes

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<v Speaker 1>in some of the best located sites in Sydney and

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<v Speaker 1>other key sites around the state. He said. Providing more

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<v Speaker 1>opportunities for social and affordable housing consistent with the mission

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<v Speaker 1>of faith groups will help address an acute community need. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I can tell you the premiere is well seemingly on board.

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<v Speaker 1>And if it's a stroke of a pen, one might

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<v Speaker 1>say to old mate Rob Stokes, well that you were

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<v Speaker 1>there long enough. Tell why didn't you do it? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>he's already provided that answer. Nobody asked, there you go.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody asked me, isn't it funny? Everything's so reactionary. Could

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<v Speaker 1>have gone on the front foot just saying, Hey, you

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<v Speaker 1>see that three acres at the back. Any chance, with

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<v Speaker 1>a stroke of a pen, I can make that happen. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>he wouldn't knock on the way up, but you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean. So as an alternative to rose Hill,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe there's that you and I both know something has

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<v Speaker 1>to happen. This may be it. Time will tell no

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<v Speaker 1>Now on weekends the Sunday sweet looking at the stories

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<v Speaker 1>of the week. Today a real tree joined in the

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<v Speaker 1>studio by leading child psychologists, clear rogue, good day, love

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<v Speaker 1>to see you.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for having me. I love being in Well.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, we referred to you as a great friend of

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<v Speaker 1>the program. I don't want to just claim that as

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<v Speaker 1>a thing. Are you comfortable with us using that expression,

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<v Speaker 1>because if.

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<v Speaker 2>You are, we can be friends. Luke program.

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<v Speaker 1>So I told you, let's start here. This judge who's

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<v Speaker 1>lambastterd Michelle Telfer over gender guidelines and the report goes

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<v Speaker 1>Australia's foremost apparently gender medicine expert and lead author of

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<v Speaker 1>the nation's guidelines on gender affirming care, Michelle Telfer came

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<v Speaker 1>under the attention of a family called judge for giving

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<v Speaker 1>misleading evidence in support of a mother who wanted her

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<v Speaker 1>child to be prescribed puberty blockers. This involves Judge Andrew

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<v Speaker 1>Scrum and one of the aspects of this which I

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<v Speaker 1>found concerning was that this child was under the treatment

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<v Speaker 1>of the hospital for I think six years, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was only until the court proceedings had commenced that there

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<v Speaker 1>was some treatment and there was the diagnosis. Now, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure these can happen in life, but it just doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>appear to all match up. Tell us about the story

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<v Speaker 1>and what concerns you most.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this judgment that was handed down by Justice Strum

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<v Speaker 2>in the Family Court in April of this year is

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<v Speaker 2>hugely significant both in the family court circles, but also

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<v Speaker 2>for us who have been There is a group of

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<v Speaker 2>US clinicians who have been really trying to speak at

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<v Speaker 2>against what is called gender affirming care and when it

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<v Speaker 2>is used blindly with children and so for listeners. Gender

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<v Speaker 2>affirming care is the treatment that mental health professionals are

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<v Speaker 2>told to use when a child of any age comes

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<v Speaker 2>to us and says, I feel like I'm in the

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<v Speaker 2>wrong body, I'm a boy who I want to be

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<v Speaker 2>a girl. We are to absolutely affirm those thoughts and feelings.

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<v Speaker 2>We are not to challenge them, and in fact we're

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<v Speaker 2>told to help them socially transition to the other gender. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>that might be in the context look of a child

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<v Speaker 2>having a background of significant developmental disorders like autism, mental

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<v Speaker 2>health disorders like this child, and the family court high conflict,

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<v Speaker 2>parental divorce. And in fact, there are clinicians in this state,

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<v Speaker 2>including myself, who, when we want to take a watch

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<v Speaker 2>and wait approach and we want to say let's just

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<v Speaker 2>park the gender issue and let's work on some of

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<v Speaker 2>these other things going on in your life, we have

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<v Speaker 2>been accused of being the ones doing conversion therapy. Funnily enough,

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<v Speaker 2>I know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, did I guess say this? I reckon. I know

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<v Speaker 1>my audience pretty well over many decades. I reckon that

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<v Speaker 1>they would sit with So hang on, you just want

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<v Speaker 1>to part things and have a chat about the bigger issues. Gee,

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<v Speaker 1>that makes sense. That's almost I don't know what's right

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<v Speaker 1>or wrong, but it seems that, in fact is right.

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<v Speaker 1>It disturbs me to think that you can't even do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, And I think the problem is a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>parents think that they're going to get a very thorough

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<v Speaker 2>and nuanced assessment when they go to these gender clinics

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<v Speaker 2>that are in you know, the Royal Children's Hospital in Melbourne,

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<v Speaker 2>Sydney Children's Hospital, and they don't. What they get is

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<v Speaker 2>a very fast, medicalized approach. The significance of this judgment

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<v Speaker 2>in April and what happened this week is that Justice

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<v Speaker 2>Strum has allowed for one of the first times experts

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<v Speaker 2>giving evidence in the family court to be named publicly.

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<v Speaker 2>Now that how the ever happens, there are very tight

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<v Speaker 2>orders within family court circles, obviously to protect family's identities.

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<v Speaker 2>For those in the know, like myself, we knew it

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<v Speaker 2>was Professor Michel Telfer when we read the judgment, but

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<v Speaker 2>of course Justice Strum said though it was in the

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<v Speaker 2>public's best interest this week to know the hospital, which

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<v Speaker 2>is the Royal Children's in Melbourne, and Professor Michel Telfer

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<v Speaker 2>is actually the one who has written the national guidelines

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<v Speaker 2>on gender affirming care. Yeah, so she has been absolutely instrumental.

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<v Speaker 2>And I actually have to say congratulations to the Australia newspaper.

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<v Speaker 2>They have been pushing this for six years on stories

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<v Speaker 2>of this and they are the ones who have pushed

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<v Speaker 2>now for the naming of Professor Telfer. So it's a

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<v Speaker 2>watch and wait space. In regards to her position, I

0:27:20.440 --> 0:27:23.280
<v Speaker 2>would argue that it's untenable now for her to continue

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<v Speaker 2>as head of that gender clinic. The public has to

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<v Speaker 2>know what's going on, and we have to return to

0:27:30.760 --> 0:27:36.200
<v Speaker 2>a science led argument. Okay, because gender dysphoria is the

0:27:36.240 --> 0:27:41.640
<v Speaker 2>only condition whereby we are told to lean into the

0:27:41.680 --> 0:27:46.439
<v Speaker 2>delusions and anxieties of a presentation and not challenge them.

0:27:46.720 --> 0:27:48.480
<v Speaker 2>It is the only one that we are told to

0:27:48.520 --> 0:27:51.720
<v Speaker 2>go along with. And if we don't wear the ones

0:27:51.760 --> 0:27:53.080
<v Speaker 2>harming the children.

0:27:53.520 --> 0:27:55.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm mentioning you off there that And this goes back

0:27:55.920 --> 0:28:00.879
<v Speaker 1>five years. A mother approached me privately wanting assistance to

0:28:01.040 --> 0:28:05.760
<v Speaker 1>raise this issue because she had so I don't know

0:28:05.760 --> 0:28:08.000
<v Speaker 1>about dead naming and what I can and can't say.

0:28:08.040 --> 0:28:10.919
<v Speaker 1>It's such a complicated area it don' would offend anyone.

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<v Speaker 1>But she said to me, I'm not naming anyone. Her

0:28:13.760 --> 0:28:19.480
<v Speaker 1>son had suffered extraordinary bullying and was then having some counseling,

0:28:20.080 --> 0:28:23.800
<v Speaker 1>and the conclusion was that her son was in the

0:28:23.840 --> 0:28:27.240
<v Speaker 1>wrong body and was of the wrong gender. And this

0:28:27.280 --> 0:28:30.119
<v Speaker 1>went on for a couple of years, and as a

0:28:30.160 --> 0:28:33.480
<v Speaker 1>caring mother wanted to be involved and was completely locked

0:28:33.480 --> 0:28:35.879
<v Speaker 1>out of the conversation and then of course you hit

0:28:35.920 --> 0:28:38.560
<v Speaker 1>the magic auge and then you are locked out forever.

0:28:38.680 --> 0:28:42.600
<v Speaker 1>And she said it felt to her like the bullying

0:28:42.680 --> 0:28:47.520
<v Speaker 1>and everything else could not be properly treated, so it

0:28:47.600 --> 0:28:50.720
<v Speaker 1>had to be gender. And she thought, you know, what

0:28:50.760 --> 0:28:53.520
<v Speaker 1>the hell are we doing. And once that became a thing,

0:28:53.960 --> 0:28:55.760
<v Speaker 1>she was locked out and it was all you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it must be gender.

0:28:57.440 --> 0:29:01.400
<v Speaker 2>And you're hearing this story from the thousands and thousands

0:29:01.400 --> 0:29:05.240
<v Speaker 2>of detransitioners now, particularly coming out in America, who were saying,

0:29:05.600 --> 0:29:07.720
<v Speaker 2>you know, the abuse that I was copying as a

0:29:07.800 --> 0:29:10.960
<v Speaker 2>child at home was not investigated, the severe bullying was

0:29:10.960 --> 0:29:14.440
<v Speaker 2>not investigated. My eating disorder that I had at the

0:29:14.440 --> 0:29:17.680
<v Speaker 2>time was not investigated. And of course these are children

0:29:17.800 --> 0:29:22.160
<v Speaker 2>at twelve thirteen years old who are looking for, you know,

0:29:22.280 --> 0:29:26.280
<v Speaker 2>belonging an identity, and so they grasp onto this gender

0:29:26.320 --> 0:29:29.520
<v Speaker 2>idea through social media or whatever. And there is a

0:29:29.560 --> 0:29:32.880
<v Speaker 2>contagion effect. No matter what people say, there absolutely is

0:29:32.920 --> 0:29:36.760
<v Speaker 2>a contagion effect to this. And it is our role,

0:29:36.960 --> 0:29:42.120
<v Speaker 2>as supposed to be scientifically led, evidence based professionals, to

0:29:42.160 --> 0:29:45.880
<v Speaker 2>look at what's going on and hold a multitude of

0:29:45.920 --> 0:29:49.960
<v Speaker 2>alternative hypotheses. And that's not being done. We're turning a

0:29:49.960 --> 0:29:53.320
<v Speaker 2>blind eye to all that and pushing kids through a

0:29:53.440 --> 0:29:58.600
<v Speaker 2>lifelong medical route, absolutely lifelong destroying people who are now

0:29:58.680 --> 0:30:01.800
<v Speaker 2>coming out. And of course, legislator, the litigation in the

0:30:01.920 --> 0:30:05.920
<v Speaker 2>US has absolutely gone bananas, with detransitioners now suing and

0:30:05.960 --> 0:30:06.920
<v Speaker 2>that will come here.

0:30:07.200 --> 0:30:11.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah. Another issue from the week. Monash University study

0:30:11.120 --> 0:30:13.680
<v Speaker 1>has found that fewer than one in five students who

0:30:13.800 --> 0:30:17.200
<v Speaker 1>experienced family violence disclosed it to a teacher or to

0:30:17.720 --> 0:30:21.080
<v Speaker 1>a school counsel or, with more skipping school or becoming

0:30:21.120 --> 0:30:26.840
<v Speaker 1>fearful of authority figures with detrimental effects. Does that surprise you, No.

0:30:26.880 --> 0:30:31.959
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't surprise me. And that's because some may think

0:30:32.200 --> 0:30:34.520
<v Speaker 2>out there that if you're being abused at home, school

0:30:34.560 --> 0:30:38.240
<v Speaker 2>would be the safe place and somewhere where children want

0:30:38.280 --> 0:30:41.880
<v Speaker 2>to go. But let me be clear. A child does

0:30:41.960 --> 0:30:46.000
<v Speaker 2>not thrive or is unable to learn if they are

0:30:46.040 --> 0:30:49.320
<v Speaker 2>in a state of survival, and so what happens is

0:30:49.360 --> 0:30:52.160
<v Speaker 2>that they very quickly become disengaged from school. I say,

0:30:52.280 --> 0:30:55.000
<v Speaker 2>you can't learn your timetables in a war zone, right,

0:30:55.040 --> 0:31:00.840
<v Speaker 2>so you prioritize the body, prioritizes survival, and so what happens,

0:31:00.920 --> 0:31:04.440
<v Speaker 2>of course, is you slip behind academically very very quickly,

0:31:04.480 --> 0:31:07.240
<v Speaker 2>and that's not been a nice place to go. You

0:31:07.400 --> 0:31:13.360
<v Speaker 2>socially become isolated from friends, and so yes, being in

0:31:13.360 --> 0:31:17.520
<v Speaker 2>a school environment is very difficult. You also start displaying

0:31:17.560 --> 0:31:20.680
<v Speaker 2>with so called mystery illnesses and excuses not to go.

0:31:21.400 --> 0:31:23.440
<v Speaker 2>You don't want to go if you have physical signs

0:31:23.480 --> 0:31:26.600
<v Speaker 2>of abuse because you don't want to be questioned. Okay,

0:31:27.960 --> 0:31:29.520
<v Speaker 2>And there is a lot of research that shows that

0:31:29.600 --> 0:31:32.000
<v Speaker 2>children who are abused in a home environment with adults

0:31:32.760 --> 0:31:36.720
<v Speaker 2>generalize that to becoming mistrusting with other adults. So it's

0:31:36.720 --> 0:31:39.440
<v Speaker 2>incredibly sad. And of course during COVID times, that's why

0:31:39.480 --> 0:31:43.040
<v Speaker 2>this was amplified that not even the one in five

0:31:43.120 --> 0:31:46.320
<v Speaker 2>were being picked up because they were locked inside at

0:31:46.360 --> 0:31:49.360
<v Speaker 2>home and not able to be seen at school at all.

0:31:49.400 --> 0:31:54.080
<v Speaker 2>So it's incredibly sad. But when a child undergoes whether

0:31:54.120 --> 0:31:58.920
<v Speaker 2>that's physical, sexual, or emotional abuse, essentially their nervous system

0:31:59.000 --> 0:32:02.640
<v Speaker 2>is hijacked. They have no cognitive capacity to take on

0:32:03.040 --> 0:32:08.040
<v Speaker 2>new information understandably, and they do in fact, as you

0:32:08.400 --> 0:32:12.040
<v Speaker 2>rightly said earlier this morning, some children sadly want to

0:32:12.080 --> 0:32:14.600
<v Speaker 2>stay at home to protect perhaps another parent.

0:32:15.240 --> 0:32:16.600
<v Speaker 1>That breaks your heart. Doesn't it.

0:32:16.680 --> 0:32:20.360
<v Speaker 2>Particularly early teenage years, you will get you know, fourteen

0:32:20.440 --> 0:32:23.160
<v Speaker 2>year olds, fifteen year olds giving up school to stay

0:32:23.160 --> 0:32:25.560
<v Speaker 2>home to protect you know, a parent who is the

0:32:25.560 --> 0:32:27.480
<v Speaker 2>subject of abuse. Incredibly sad.

0:32:27.600 --> 0:32:30.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it really is. Got that's instructive. You can't learn

0:32:30.480 --> 0:32:33.880
<v Speaker 1>your times tables in a war zone, so if your

0:32:33.920 --> 0:32:36.920
<v Speaker 1>home's a war zone, I mean, very simple words. But

0:32:37.080 --> 0:32:40.960
<v Speaker 1>how wonderful is that? Or understanding gives its a great

0:32:41.000 --> 0:32:44.640
<v Speaker 1>way to understand that. Donald Trump and Elon Musk, Claire

0:32:44.680 --> 0:32:48.360
<v Speaker 1>Roll with Claire leading child psychologists perfect to deal with

0:32:48.440 --> 0:32:52.440
<v Speaker 1>this issue, the cluster Musk. They'll never ever be friends again.

0:32:52.480 --> 0:32:55.800
<v Speaker 1>They can't, can They mean, He's mentioned Nepstein and we're

0:32:55.800 --> 0:32:59.360
<v Speaker 1>now with that equals and Donald's got the He's got

0:32:59.640 --> 0:33:02.840
<v Speaker 1>the the nuclear sized button and everything else at his disposal.

0:33:03.160 --> 0:33:06.320
<v Speaker 1>So he probably wins on the power rankings. And they're done,

0:33:06.360 --> 0:33:06.840
<v Speaker 1>aren't they.

0:33:06.960 --> 0:33:09.240
<v Speaker 2>They've got a big ton. I don't know whether I've

0:33:09.280 --> 0:33:12.960
<v Speaker 2>reached my pay grade here because I mean, this is

0:33:13.280 --> 0:33:17.440
<v Speaker 2>not just political performance. I mean this is absolutely a

0:33:17.560 --> 0:33:21.720
<v Speaker 2>psychological spectacle from my, you know, my point of view

0:33:22.160 --> 0:33:28.320
<v Speaker 2>of two power driven narcissists, you know, out for a

0:33:28.360 --> 0:33:31.320
<v Speaker 2>dominance battle here who are just throwing grenades in the

0:33:31.360 --> 0:33:35.520
<v Speaker 2>form of tweets and social media updates. And that's the thing.

0:33:35.600 --> 0:33:41.560
<v Speaker 2>We've got two men with extremely inflated self images with

0:33:41.960 --> 0:33:44.640
<v Speaker 2>their own fan base who mirror that back to them

0:33:45.280 --> 0:33:49.600
<v Speaker 2>their own sense of importance. And you know, I think

0:33:49.640 --> 0:33:53.040
<v Speaker 2>Trump kind of sees Musk as a threat when he

0:33:53.080 --> 0:33:58.040
<v Speaker 2>comes in with his kind of pseudo libertarian tech speak,

0:33:58.120 --> 0:34:00.480
<v Speaker 2>and he sees that as a threat on his you know,

0:34:01.040 --> 0:34:04.959
<v Speaker 2>political domain, and then of course he fires back with

0:34:05.000 --> 0:34:07.760
<v Speaker 2>these threats of pulling contracts for him. And you know

0:34:07.840 --> 0:34:12.160
<v Speaker 2>that they've got very, very different agendas. Musk with a

0:34:12.239 --> 0:34:15.279
<v Speaker 2>far more physical but globalist I think idea of how

0:34:15.320 --> 0:34:18.720
<v Speaker 2>he's going to save humanity through space travel and AI

0:34:18.960 --> 0:34:22.280
<v Speaker 2>and you know, the tech side of things, and Trump,

0:34:22.920 --> 0:34:25.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, his focus is completely different on America first

0:34:25.760 --> 0:34:31.040
<v Speaker 2>and you know, restoring American American dominance through the working class,

0:34:31.080 --> 0:34:33.120
<v Speaker 2>and that's where his emphasis is. And so I think

0:34:33.160 --> 0:34:35.680
<v Speaker 2>this was always predicted. I'm not sure if it's I

0:34:35.680 --> 0:34:39.719
<v Speaker 2>think it's come earlier, maybe abound six months post inauguration here,

0:34:40.239 --> 0:34:44.000
<v Speaker 2>and it's blown up. It's a very i mean, the

0:34:44.080 --> 0:34:47.640
<v Speaker 2>spectacle past, the popcorn of this is unbelievable if it

0:34:47.760 --> 0:34:50.200
<v Speaker 2>wasn't for the fact that at the end of the day,

0:34:50.280 --> 0:34:53.839
<v Speaker 2>the public losers. We've got really important things going on.

0:34:53.920 --> 0:34:59.240
<v Speaker 2>We've got tariff talks with China, We've got nuclear energy

0:34:59.280 --> 0:35:02.880
<v Speaker 2>talks with her. We've got Trump at the moment blocking

0:35:02.920 --> 0:35:07.160
<v Speaker 2>immigration from most Muslim countries and being called racist by Iran.

0:35:07.280 --> 0:35:11.680
<v Speaker 2>And we've got summits soon in Canada where hopefully our

0:35:11.719 --> 0:35:14.680
<v Speaker 2>Prime minister maybe we'll get a chance to speak with

0:35:14.760 --> 0:35:16.920
<v Speaker 2>Trump and that will be interesting on the back of

0:35:18.160 --> 0:35:21.719
<v Speaker 2>all these defense spending tensions, all this stuff going on.

0:35:21.800 --> 0:35:23.120
<v Speaker 2>But what do you think people are going to want

0:35:23.160 --> 0:35:27.040
<v Speaker 2>to click on? This is unbelievable content and this is

0:35:27.040 --> 0:35:28.680
<v Speaker 2>what the media will now focus on.

0:35:28.880 --> 0:35:32.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, which we are doing right now. Claire, love

0:35:32.960 --> 0:35:34.120
<v Speaker 1>to see you, Thank you for coming.

0:35:33.960 --> 0:35:35.040
<v Speaker 2>In, Thank you so much.

0:35:35.080 --> 0:35:38.520
<v Speaker 1>Talking again soon. Leading to our psychologist Claire Road doing

0:35:38.560 --> 0:35:41.800
<v Speaker 1>great work at the IPA too, Institute of Public Affairs.

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<v Speaker 1>Keep your eye out for that.