Speaker 1: On two GB and Network stations. This is Afternoons with
Speaker 1: Bill Woods filling in from Michael McLaren.
Speaker 2: Yes, good afternoon. It's great to be back on AA
Speaker 2: talking to you, and thank you very much for having me.
Speaker 2: I hope you'll enjoy the program this afternoon. Apologies for Michael.
Speaker 2: He has urgent family matters to attend to. He's quite
Speaker 2: okay if you're wondering about that. He's well, but he'll
Speaker 2: be away just for today and tomorrow's program, so I'll
Speaker 2: be filling in to help him out there and he'll
Speaker 2: be back on Friday. But it'll be all as usual today,
Speaker 2: including the giveaways and the news and everything that's coming
Speaker 2: across the desk. We'll bring it to you as it
Speaker 2: happens this afternoon. And there are a few things ongoing,
Speaker 2: of course internationally. We'll keep an eye on what's happening
Speaker 2: in Tehran, the conflict in the Middle East. We've also
Speaker 2: got the summation of the defect NaN's Council and the
Speaker 2: Mushroom murder case, and a few other bits and pieces
Speaker 2: of information, including a very interesting High Court ruling that
Speaker 2: came out this morning, which I'll give you more detail
Speaker 2: on in just to tick. But what's on the show. Well,
Speaker 2: we'll talk soon in the next twenty minutes or so
Speaker 2: to Robin Ironside, who's an aviation rider from the Australian,
Speaker 2: about what does make a good airline? Because they had
Speaker 2: again the annual I guess you could call it the
Speaker 2: aviation industry's version of the OSCARS. It's the aviation awards
Speaker 2: run by Skytracks and a lot of airlines pin a
Speaker 2: lot of business on this and once again Katar Airways
Speaker 2: has finished on top. Now I believe they get quite
Speaker 2: a bit of subsidy in their part of the world.
Speaker 2: Not airlines are on the same playing field. Not a
Speaker 2: probably good metaphor there when you're talking about aviation, but anyway,
Speaker 2: I think you know where I'm coming from. Singapore Airlines
Speaker 2: came second, Cathay Pacific third, Coititus jumped up the leaderboard
Speaker 2: in fourteenth place, but they were twenty fourth. But there
Speaker 2: are other categories two where the air lines are judged,
Speaker 2: and Quite has did very very well in a couple
Speaker 2: of those. We'll talk a bit more with that with
Speaker 2: Robert Einside about that and also what you think makes
Speaker 2: a good airline, what you're looking for. I think actually
Speaker 2: getting there safely is by a long stretch. Number one.
Speaker 2: I think we're all agreed on that, especially given events
Speaker 2: of the past week or so in India particularly. That's
Speaker 2: the priority. But what are the other things that you
Speaker 2: are concerned about as an ear traveler? One three one
Speaker 2: eight seven three, zero four six zero eight seven three
Speaker 2: eight seven three on the text line, Now here's an
Speaker 2: interesting one. Dave will Go Wilkins, who you might know
Speaker 2: is the gig guide man for the John Stanley Show
Speaker 2: on Thursday nights and Fridays in the non footy playing season.
Speaker 2: He'll be talking about a person who he idolizes. That
Speaker 2: is Paul McCartney. It's his eighty third birthday today. Not
Speaker 2: will Go, but Paul McCartney. And we'll have a good
Speaker 2: chat with Wilko, who knows his stuff. He's an accomplished
Speaker 2: musician with a great pedigree, and he'll explain why he
Speaker 2: loves all McCartney. But we'd love to hear from you
Speaker 2: as well. One through one eight seven three or zero
Speaker 2: four six zero eight seven three eight seven three. That'll
Speaker 2: be coming up after one o'clock this afternoon. We'll talk
Speaker 2: to will Gone. We'd love to hear your stories about
Speaker 2: whether you went to the McCartney concert, whether you are
Speaker 2: a McCartney or a Lenin person. It's a bit like
Speaker 2: being a dog or a cat person, isn't it. There
Speaker 2: are Lenin and McCartney people, and there are others who
Speaker 2: are happy to sit on the fence, and there's nothing
Speaker 2: wrong with that. And where does he sit in the
Speaker 2: pantheon of music writers? Some say one of the greatest
Speaker 2: of all time? That's interesting. How far back do you
Speaker 2: want to go? You've got guy called Gershwin who was
Speaker 2: pretty good back in his day, and many many others.
Speaker 2: These things are argued about all the time, but let
Speaker 2: us know, it's really about what you like. That's what
Speaker 2: it's all about. So we'll talk about that, the legacy
Speaker 2: of McCartney, and we've got some pretty We've got an
Speaker 2: interesting story for you about one of our management members.
Speaker 2: I won't say any more than that, she's a manager
Speaker 2: here at this radio station, has a great McCartney story,
Speaker 2: which does lead me to think, you know, what, have
Speaker 2: you ever met any of the Beatles? What is your
Speaker 2: brush with fame when it comes to these things? Her
Speaker 2: story is quite unusual, and I think we're all very
Speaker 2: envious when I tell you that story. A little later on,
Speaker 2: Blake went All joined us from Pretzel Wealth. This is
Speaker 2: a regular Michael segment. We'll also have Chuck's footy tips.
Speaker 2: He's not here today in person, but I will pass
Speaker 2: his tips on to you and for what it's worth,
Speaker 2: give my thoughts on it. Anita Warren will join us.
Speaker 2: She's the CEO of Master Builders Australia and they're calling
Speaker 2: on the federal government again to try and unlock productivity.
Speaker 2: They think they're going to make some gains and they
Speaker 2: have some very bold plans. Now I'm trying to think
Speaker 2: of the last time any government actually initiated a bold plan.
Speaker 2: They tend to be rather conservative when it comes to
Speaker 2: these things low risk. But we'll see what Anita WARN's
Speaker 2: got in mind and how successful she thinks she might
Speaker 2: be because we're really spinning wheels comes to the housing situation.
Speaker 2: On that subject, we'll have the Winter Wheel, up to
Speaker 2: twenty five hundred dollars cash in prizes, and a whole
Speaker 2: bunch of other cool things. I think in Mark Show
Speaker 2: they gave away fifteen hundred dollars. Am I right, Joel? Yes,
Speaker 2: So that's fantastic. Hopefully we'll be able to do that
Speaker 2: for you in the last hour of the program, and
Speaker 2: we'll also have our track of the day, which is
Speaker 2: a regular Michael thing. Incidentally, that's one hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: dollar vouta from the B store. So we'll get you
Speaker 2: in there and we'll talk to Matthew Wilson, who's the
Speaker 2: executive director of Road Maintenance Partnerships of Transport New South Wales.
Speaker 2: Why I'm glad you asked. I was driving across the
Speaker 2: Harbor Bridge this morning on my way to help out
Speaker 2: here and fill in for Michael, and I noticed quite
Speaker 2: a few rust patches on the old bridge and it
Speaker 2: just got me thinking, how do they maintain the bridge?
Speaker 2: I mean, we've had these stories from time to time.
Speaker 2: We know there are maintenance schedules, et cetera. But traffic's
Speaker 2: getting busier, peak hours getting longer. Is it more difficult?
Speaker 2: Do they have more technology these days to make it
Speaker 2: easier to maintain the bridge. It's a big lump of
Speaker 2: steel over salt water and I saw a lot of
Speaker 2: RUSS patches, so they must be due for a repaint
Speaker 2: pretty soon. How do they do that safely? And how
Speaker 2: difficult is it to maintain the old coat hanger. Over
Speaker 2: many years, we've got a second tunnel on the way
Speaker 2: which will relieve the burden of the traffic on the
Speaker 2: Harbor Bridge. But it is one of the most iconic
Speaker 2: bridges in the world. It's a symbol of Australia and
Speaker 2: I thought we might just catch up if you've not
Speaker 2: thought about it recently. I certainly was today when I
Speaker 2: crossed the Harbor Bridge. How do we keep it in shape?
Speaker 2: So let us know what your thoughts are one three,
Speaker 2: one eight seven three on anything we talk about or
Speaker 2: anything you're thinking about too. We're happy to hear it
Speaker 2: or zero four six, zero eight seven three eight seven three.
Speaker 2: Text are coming through and calls already. Thank you, and
Speaker 2: we'll talk very soon to Robin eInsight about these aviation awards.
Speaker 2: But also I'll give you an update on that High
Speaker 2: Court decision very shortly twenty past midday. Thank you for
Speaker 2: the kind words, Dave and a few other people. I'm
Speaker 2: definitely in the McCartney camp. There's another Dave because he
Speaker 2: shares the surname. Good on your Dave. Of course you
Speaker 2: are now Greg. Whenever I see RUSS patches on the
Speaker 2: Harbor Bridge, I automatically think of offshore windmills. Yes, that
Speaker 2: was one thing that came to mind, Greg when I
Speaker 2: was hearing about all that. Do we really need them
Speaker 2: off shore? There's plenty of other places to put them
Speaker 2: rather than over the salt water.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: That made me one to two Greg when all that
Speaker 2: came up, and that debate will be continuing for a
Speaker 2: long time yet. Now quick call from SIEV. I think
Speaker 2: on airlines, we're talking to Robin einside if you've just
Speaker 2: tuned in about what makes a good airline, because I've
Speaker 2: had these Skytracks awards and Katar Airways has come out
Speaker 2: on top. Thoughts on that, Siev.
Speaker 4: Here you go, Bill, I think the way you get
Speaker 4: served when you're at the back of the plane where
Speaker 4: most people are, and what the way you get treated
Speaker 4: when you're there, and the leg room that you have,
Speaker 4: if you have any leg room at the back of
Speaker 4: the plane. Although I think you've got this economent premium
Speaker 4: now they're supposed to deal with some of that, but
Speaker 4: I think just the way things are there. And I
Speaker 4: guess airline food, if you could really judge an airline
Speaker 4: on airline food, if it doesn't taste the same as
Speaker 4: every other airline.
Speaker 2: That's a good point, lowest common denominator.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just think it's basic stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, most of us will experience an airline in that
Speaker 2: part of the plane, You're right, and at that level
Speaker 2: of service. So that's probably where it needs to start.
Speaker 2: And yeah, you can do all the fancy stuff up
Speaker 2: the front with all those people whenever, you know, but
Speaker 2: the vast majority of people will experience an airline in
Speaker 2: that way. Good point, SIEV. Thanks for your call, mate,
Speaker 2: appreciate it. Here's this news from the High Court this morning.
Speaker 2: In case you are following this, it is quite relevant.
Speaker 2: The federal government is now free to crack down even
Speaker 2: further on the trouble CFMEU. The High Court has dismissed
Speaker 2: this constitutional challenge from the outst CFMEU officials who are
Speaker 2: trying to overturn the administration that was applied to the union.
Speaker 2: This is a judgment delivered by Chief Justice Stephen Gagler.
Speaker 2: All six grounds of the challenge have been rejected, including
Speaker 2: claims that the laws infringe the implied freedom of political communication.
Speaker 2: Freedom of political communication, that's not something I would have
Speaker 2: associated with the former administration of the c FMEU anyway.
Speaker 2: The federal government stepped in last August, as you might know,
Speaker 2: and the troubled union has been infiltrated by bikies and
Speaker 2: organized crime groups, and there were broader concerns of other
Speaker 2: criminalized behavior. Well, the ruling paves the way now for
Speaker 2: the Administrator, Mark Irving case to continue his clamp down
Speaker 2: on the union, and it will, perhaps they say, embolden
Speaker 2: other people in the construction industry to come forward with
Speaker 2: more allegations of any corruption or misconduct. I quote now
Speaker 2: from the Administrator, Mark Irving, who says the decision provides
Speaker 2: clarity and it paves the way for the greater systemic
Speaker 2: reforms necessary for the union and across the industry. Along
Speaker 2: with the CFMEU, employers, regulators and governments all have a
Speaker 2: role to play in rooting out malignant and violent actors
Speaker 2: from the construction sector. This is just another but not
Speaker 2: unimportant part of the puzzle of getting our housing and
Speaker 2: construction back on track. We'll be talking to the master
Speaker 2: builders a little later, not specifically about this ruling, but
Speaker 2: they would be pretty pleased about it. I would imagine
Speaker 2: this administration, according to Mark Irving, is committed to returning
Speaker 2: the union to the membership as a strong, democratic member
Speaker 2: controlled union enduringly free of corruption and criminal influence as
Speaker 2: soon as possible. That's the official statement, and this from
Speaker 2: the Workplace Relations Minister Amanda Rishworth, who also commented today
Speaker 2: on the High Court ruling. We need to focus on
Speaker 2: shifting the culture in the construction industry and ensure the
Speaker 2: bad actors we have seen infiltrating this sector are kept out.
Speaker 2: Construction workers deserve a union free from criminality, corruption and violence.
Speaker 2: The administrator and his team can now move forward with
Speaker 2: confidence and continue their essential work in cleaning up the
Speaker 2: Construction and General division of the CFME EU. Interesting. Well,
Speaker 2: we've all heard stories, haven't we. Let's see how the
Speaker 2: administration goes and what success they have. And of course
Speaker 2: we all know that the incumbent federal government is inextricably
Speaker 2: bound to the trade union movement. But of course I
Speaker 2: think it's in their interests as much as anybody that
Speaker 2: it's clean, above board and doing what was always meant
Speaker 2: to do. Now, very soon we'll be talking to Robin einside.
Speaker 2: Let us know your stories of your favorite airlines or
Speaker 2: why what makes an airline successful? And I think Frank
Speaker 2: is on the line with another one.
Speaker 5: Hello, Frank, Hey, Yeah, I went to Osaka last year
Speaker 5: in November. I flew Look, I did fly business class
Speaker 5: with Cafe Pacific, but they had the best deal. I
Speaker 5: mean it was quite a lot cheaper than what you
Speaker 5: could properly get these days. But the service, the everything
Speaker 5: was just suburb interesting.
Speaker 2: I hear a lot of people talking.
Speaker 5: I couldn't fault them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they did rate very highly. They actually came
Speaker 2: in third behind Katar and Singapore and the overall Skytrack's rankings.
Speaker 2: Do you specifically target a certain airline, Frank, or do
Speaker 2: you just go for the best deal. I mean, we've
Speaker 2: got all those websites now where you can shop around
Speaker 2: for the cheapest fares, and there are all kinds of.
Speaker 5: And I used to work in the UK and i'd
Speaker 5: fly over once a year, and yeah, you'd have to
Speaker 5: get the best deal because you know, and normally i'd
Speaker 5: fly economy, but i'd sport myself because I had a
Speaker 5: new first time granddad.
Speaker 6: So yeah, good for you.
Speaker 2: I'm still still waiting for that honor for myself. Well,
Speaker 2: my wife and I are very keen to become grandparents
Speaker 2: and we might celebrate with a trip too. That's a
Speaker 2: good idea, mate, I've never thought of that. Thank you,
Speaker 2: Frank for your call. And if you have any other
Speaker 2: information on what makes a good airline, let us know
Speaker 2: this one on the Harbor Bridge from Linda, any money
Speaker 2: painting the bridge properly these days means writing a report. Well,
Speaker 2: that's part of the conversation, Linda, Yes, oh, and s
Speaker 2: these days would be vastly different to what it was
Speaker 2: when the bridge was first constructed, and so that would
Speaker 2: have an impact on how they manage maintenance. So many
Speaker 2: boxes to tick, as they say, the red tape. Quite
Speaker 2: a few other texts coming in on various things. I'll
Speaker 2: get to that text line in just a minute. The
Speaker 2: other story today is, of course, as I mentioned, Colin
Speaker 2: Mandy sc is in the spotlight at the Mushroom murder case,
Speaker 2: and he's been going through a whole range of different
Speaker 2: things that's been dutifully reported in the newspapers. And the
Speaker 2: latest in a very very long summation on behalf of
Speaker 2: the defense is that he's painting a portrait of an
Speaker 2: enduring family love that the Pattison family shared even after
Speaker 2: the separation of the accused Aaron Patterson and Simon Patterson
Speaker 2: it says his client shared a good and strong relationship
Speaker 2: with her estranged husband and a loving relationship with her
Speaker 2: in laws Don and Gale Patterson. Part of the defense,
Speaker 2: even though it's not a technical defense, certainly to try
Speaker 2: and persuade the jury is motive and that was one
Speaker 2: of the discussions that came up during the summation, and
Speaker 2: mister Mandy has returned to that theme. Why would she
Speaker 2: have done it anyway? So many facets to this. Of course,
Speaker 2: as you've probably heard, it's become a global phenomenon, the
Speaker 2: Mushroom case. So the jury at some stage I expect
Speaker 2: today will be allowed to retire and try and reach
Speaker 2: a verdict on this. And there's been a whole lot
Speaker 2: of legal and of course emotional argument back and forth,
Speaker 2: but it's been reported in great detail today on the
Speaker 2: Sydney Morning Herald website. Will keep you across that and
Speaker 2: other stories. I've had a couple of requests actually for
Speaker 2: some reports on what's happening overseas, so we'll check up
Speaker 2: on that too. Because these air strikes that are being
Speaker 2: traded between Israel and Iran are continuing right through our
Speaker 2: daytime and also our nighttime as well, so we wake
Speaker 2: up to news and there is more news during the day,
Speaker 2: so we'll give you the latest on that as well.
Speaker 2: In the meantime we'll take a break. We'll be coming
Speaker 2: back soon with robin eroinside twenty eight to one. We'll
Speaker 2: talk airlines in just a tick and we'll also give
Speaker 2: you an update too on what's happening with some cancelations
Speaker 2: and delays due to the volcano in Bali, and we'll
Speaker 2: ask robin eroinside about that as well. So plenty to
Speaker 2: talk about when it comes to aviation safety, and that's
Speaker 2: been a big feature of a lot of text we're
Speaker 2: getting in on what people search for most when it
Speaker 2: comes to an airline. I think that makes plenty of sense.
Speaker 2: We've had some requests about what's happening in the Middle
Speaker 2: East as well. So the latest news we're getting is
Speaker 2: that Erans Islamic Revolutionary Guard has warned residents of Tel
Speaker 2: Aviv toate the city now. This is according to Iranian
Speaker 2: news agencies. I stress the warnings accompanied by a map
Speaker 2: that's similar to those issued by the IDEA for ahead of
Speaker 2: strikes on Iran and Gaza, so the old tit for tat.
Speaker 2: Earlier today, they claimed the Fatah missiles had broken through
Speaker 2: Israeli defenses and they're claiming now complete domination over Israeli airspace,
Speaker 2: which of course is what the Israelis had said about
Speaker 2: Iranian airspace earlier today. And this has come after Donald
Speaker 2: Trump's comments on the latest situation. I'll give you that
Speaker 2: Iotola Ali Hamanius reportedly transferred a significant proportion of his
Speaker 2: power to the Revolutionary Guard's Supreme Council, according to a
Speaker 2: story in The Australian, amid Israeli threats to assassinate him now,
Speaker 2: President Trump said earlier today the US knew where Iran's
Speaker 2: supreme leader was, but had decided not to assassinate him,
Speaker 2: and I quote yet while Benjamin Netanyah, who has warned
Speaker 2: an assassination was not off the table the Israeli Prime Minister,
Speaker 2: it says. And the Australian continues to call for regime
Speaker 2: change and was joined in that call this morning by
Speaker 2: Riza Pallavi, the former Shah of Iran's heir. And the
Speaker 2: news comes as Israel again sends missiles enter tay Rana,
Speaker 2: to sending an evacuation warning to residents to near the
Speaker 2: city's airport, which doubles of course as a military base.
Speaker 2: We'll keep updating you on that. There's been some specific
Speaker 2: requests about certain targets too, which we will look into.
Speaker 2: And I did say months and months and months ago
Speaker 2: on maybe not this program might have been another one
Speaker 2: I was filling in for that Israel's long term strategy
Speaker 2: had to be very important when it came to their
Speaker 2: retaliation for the initial attacks from Gaza across the border,
Speaker 2: those horrific attacks. What is the long term goal? And
Speaker 2: I suggested at the time that unless they were serious
Speaker 2: about regime change in Iran, then they would only be
Speaker 2: stirring up the mud to create a new generation of terrorism.
Speaker 2: It seems now they are being more decisive about what
Speaker 2: their long term future is and let's hope that works
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Speaker 2: In Mark Leavy's show, okay, let's talk airlines. The Skytracks
Speaker 2: Airline Awards. They're sort of the oscars of the aviation industry.
Speaker 2: They've been announced overnight more than twenty two million customers
Speaker 2: using over three hundred and twenty five carriers, So it's
Speaker 2: pretty extensive. Really, it's not just a couple of people
Speaker 2: sitting in a room making it up, which often happens
Speaker 2: with media awards. Anyway. They fill out an online survey
Speaker 2: and from this they in a number of categories determine
Speaker 2: the best airline, including best overall, and that was CATSA
Speaker 2: Airways once once again world's best second year in a row.
Speaker 2: Singapore Airlines came in second, then Cave Pacific, which was
Speaker 2: mentioned by an earlier caller. All generally rate quite highly
Speaker 2: when it comes to service and quality of the flight.
Speaker 2: In terms of the Australian airlines, well, it's not like
Speaker 2: the good old days when we're getting a mentioned on
Speaker 2: Hollywood films. Top ranking airline was Quantus. They came fourteenth
Speaker 2: overall twenty fourth last year. Interesting, isn't it, But in
Speaker 2: saying that they have been recognized as the best carrier
Speaker 2: in the Asia Australia Pacific region and in the global
Speaker 2: top ten for best in flight entertainment. So if you
Speaker 2: want to catch the latest movies on your way to Europe.
Speaker 2: A quantus flight might be the place to do it,
Speaker 2: but it does beg the question, what is it for you?
Speaker 2: What makes a good airline? Robin eroinsight as the aviation
Speaker 2: editor at The Australian, knowing all the ins and outs.
Speaker 2: Since she's on the line. Thanks for your time, Robin.
Speaker 2: It's a pleasure bill, needless to say, and a few
Speaker 2: people have pointed this out. It has to be safety.
Speaker 2: I think let's assume that, let's just say, okay, that's
Speaker 2: a given. Safety would be the one thing that we're
Speaker 2: most concerned about. But before we get into the details
Speaker 2: of what people tend to prefer in airlines, and you
Speaker 2: might surprise us on that score, Kata, how do they
Speaker 2: do it?
Speaker 7: Yes, well, they certainly do it a lot. And the
Speaker 7: ninth time that they've won this sort of top prize
Speaker 7: in the awards, I have to say I don't hear
Speaker 7: from a lot of people who've had exposure to this
Speaker 7: particular survey, even though twenty two million people have filled
Speaker 7: it out. So I suspect perhaps that maybe certain airlines
Speaker 7: do promote it more than others, and that's why we've
Speaker 7: seen sort of Katar and Singapore airlines almost share the
Speaker 7: prize consistently almost throughout the history of the awards. Not
Speaker 7: that I'm saying it's undeserved. I mean, anyone who has
Speaker 7: phoonn On, Kata or Singapore would be aware that they
Speaker 7: are very good airlines. They provide a very good service.
Speaker 7: Everything is sort of first rate, from the seat, the
Speaker 7: day called, the service, the food, the in financertainment. Everything's
Speaker 7: top notch. So I don't think it's undeserved. Plus, they
Speaker 7: do have very good safety records as well.
Speaker 2: Customers, I take it, are largely the ones filling out
Speaker 2: these surveys to help make the decisions. How do the
Speaker 2: airline experts like yourself view these sorts of.
Speaker 7: Things, Well, these are I guess the awards that I
Speaker 7: probably considered that the most accurate in terms of the
Speaker 7: methodology and also the results. I don't think anyone can
Speaker 7: really argue that Kata, Singapore, Cafe Emirates are the best
Speaker 7: airlines in the world. I mean, anyone who has experienced them,
Speaker 7: and has perhaps experienced maybe a US in a line
Speaker 7: would probably vote in favor of the former.
Speaker 2: Right, And look, a lot of these airlines, people might say,
Speaker 2: I don't know much about them, but they are partner airlines.
Speaker 2: Now we have all these various partnerships. Kats are, for example,
Speaker 2: with Virgin Australia. I think is Emirates still with Quantas
Speaker 2: are though their main are they're a partner of Quantus,
Speaker 2: aren't they Emirates?
Speaker 7: They are that right, So a.
Speaker 2: Lot of people would probably use these airlines even though
Speaker 2: they might book a ticket through Quantus, they might finish
Speaker 2: up on one of these airlines.
Speaker 7: That's right, And certainly the data that the federal government
Speaker 7: issues every month shows that these airlines do carry a
Speaker 7: sizable chunk of people in and out of Australia. Along
Speaker 7: with of course Quantus and Jetstar and Air New Zealand.
Speaker 2: Australian airlines aren't performing as well as other international carriers.
Speaker 2: Is that because some of them are in fact government subsidized.
Speaker 2: Is that the only difference or are there other factors?
Speaker 8: Well?
Speaker 7: I do think that's a big difference, the fact that
Speaker 7: profits perhaps aren't as important to government subsidized airlines such
Speaker 7: as Katar and Singapore Emirates to an extent. Yes, I'd
Speaker 7: certainly think that there's a degree of that. Whereas Quantus
Speaker 7: is very conscious of his bottom line has much higher
Speaker 7: labor costs than perhaps some of those other airlines, so
Speaker 7: it does make it difficult, I think, to compete on
Speaker 7: an even playing field with those particular carriers.
Speaker 2: Quatus has picked up the pace. They jumped up the leaderboards,
Speaker 2: to speak, but they were a long way down I
Speaker 2: must have been. I was surprised when I saw that
Speaker 2: they were down as far as twenty four in the rankings.
Speaker 2: What's happened in that time and can you sort of
Speaker 2: put your finger on how these trends are dictated?
Speaker 7: Well, they certainly had a spectacular fall from grace. It
Speaker 7: was pretty surprising in twenty twenty two, when the world
Speaker 7: was just sort of opening up, that Quantus was actually
Speaker 7: ranked number five in these awards. And then the year
Speaker 7: after when we saw Alan Joyce leave, we saw the
Speaker 7: a Triple C take legal action against Quantus. There were
Speaker 7: a whole series of controversy. That's when we saw the
Speaker 7: Quantus decline to really start being reflected in these awards.
Speaker 7: They went from fifth to seventeenth, and then last year
Speaker 7: they went to twenty fourth, and so I gathered the
Speaker 7: fact that they're now up to fourteenth shows that the
Speaker 7: turnaround under CEO Vanessa Hudson has started to work. It
Speaker 7: is being reflected, I guess in passengers satisfaction with Quantus.
Speaker 2: More people fly now than ever, we have a lot
Speaker 2: more feedback at our fingertips now than ever because of
Speaker 2: social media, the digital age, so to speak. How much
Speaker 2: does brand loyalty still come into it. Quantus was once
Speaker 2: an institution like our banks and other large companies that
Speaker 2: were identified with Australia brands. For want of a better term.
Speaker 2: That's not as big a deal now, is it.
Speaker 7: But I think there is an element of that, particularly
Speaker 7: with the frequent flyer programs. I think that really does
Speaker 7: encourage people to spend their money with one particular airline.
Speaker 7: And domestically, there's no argument that Quantus is the dominant
Speaker 7: carrier internationally. Quantus certainly still carries more people in and
Speaker 7: out of Australia than any other airline, including its own partner,
Speaker 7: Jet Style, but it does have a lot of competition.
Speaker 7: There's at least sixty airlines that fly in and out
Speaker 7: of Australia, so it's a much tougher stage I guess
Speaker 7: for Quantas, But that loyalty it does count for something
Speaker 7: I think people will often talk about you know, the
Speaker 7: relief they feel when they see that red kangaroo at
Speaker 7: the airport when they're getting on a flight.
Speaker 9: To come home.
Speaker 7: So I do still think that that counts for something.
Speaker 2: And look, it's a difficult business to get into, beyond
Speaker 2: the comprehension in fact of a lot of us. When
Speaker 2: you think about it running an airline, the capital investment,
Speaker 2: the safety, safety specifications, I mean, Rex for example, has
Speaker 2: become a bit of a cautionary tale for our regional carriers.
Speaker 2: It's not an easy thing to get into and maintain.
Speaker 7: No indeed, the margins are thin. And when you think
Speaker 7: about all the costs that airlines have to meet in
Speaker 7: terms of airport feeds, aircraft leasing, labor, fuel catering, all
Speaker 7: the regulatory fees that occur within the aviation industry, it's
Speaker 7: an enormous list of costs which they have to meet
Speaker 7: pretty much just through playing fares. There's not a lot
Speaker 7: of other revenue that they can get.
Speaker 2: How does the future look for Conners and other locally
Speaker 2: local airlines.
Speaker 7: I think it's looking pretty rosy. I mean, obviously, we're
Speaker 7: a country that relies heavily on aviation, and the fact
Speaker 7: that we have two dominant airline groups that are both
Speaker 7: profitable is probably a positive thing in a lot of ways.
Speaker 7: I'm sure there's plenty of us who would like to
Speaker 7: see more competition on the domestic playing field to perhaps
Speaker 7: raise standards of customer service and that sort of thing. Internationally, though,
Speaker 7: I think we're doing pretty well with such a high
Speaker 7: number of airlines that are operating in and out of Australia.
Speaker 7: There's competition on most routes, and fares are probably what
Speaker 7: they were in twenty nineteen or earlier. They haven't really
Speaker 7: gone up a lot when you take into account inflation,
Speaker 7: so no, I think I think the future is pretty good.
Speaker 7: And with the entry of Catai Airways raising the bar
Speaker 7: with Virgin Australia, that has actually triggered quite a lot
Speaker 7: of airlines to do the same. We're seeing Emirates launch
Speaker 7: new products into Australia to try to keep their customers happy.
Speaker 7: Eddie Hads doing the same, Singapore Airlines and New Zealand United,
Speaker 7: they're all undertaking product upgrades and targeting the Australian market.
Speaker 7: Definitely a win for.
Speaker 2: Us, and just a quick one before we let you go, Robin.
Speaker 2: And of course this is on very short notice, I understand,
Speaker 2: but the eruption of this volcano in eastern Indonesia is
Speaker 2: going to cause I think quite a few problems. Apparently
Speaker 2: a lot of New Zealand is stranded after a flight
Speaker 2: due to leave den Pasar in Bali for Auckland was canceled,
Speaker 2: and I think most of the airlines involved you've got
Speaker 2: any New Zealand, Jet Star, Virgin and Quantus indeed are
Speaker 2: all keeping an eye on this. So it looks like
Speaker 2: there might be some delays as volcanic ash keeps spewing
Speaker 2: into the atmosphere.
Speaker 7: Indeed, Jetstar and Virgin Australia have both confirmed a number
Speaker 7: of cancelations. Jet Stars canceled for return flights out of Sydney, Melbourne,
Speaker 7: Adelaide and Brisbane, and Virgin has also canceled two of
Speaker 7: its return flights. So yeah, we are seeing that, I'm
Speaker 7: sure inconvenience to a lot of people. And Quantus has
Speaker 7: indicated they've got two flights this afternoon which are likely
Speaker 7: to be laid at this stage, and they're keeping an
Speaker 7: eye on it. The things get worse, they will cancel
Speaker 7: them because volcanic ash does pose a serious safety threat
Speaker 7: to aircraft. Because it can be ingested into engines and
Speaker 7: that can cause problems with airflow, and that's the last
Speaker 7: thing you want when you're thirty five thousand feet And of.
Speaker 2: Course, you know, I know travelers can get very edgy
Speaker 2: about these things, but we've got to put it in perspective.
Speaker 2: I mean, people's lives are at risk here in Indonesia,
Speaker 2: and even though there's no reports yet to damage your casualties,
Speaker 2: there were nine people killed back in November and thousands
Speaker 2: were displaced, so it's a very serious matter. There's a
Speaker 2: seven kilometer exclusion zone in the area around the place,
Speaker 2: so I guess people just have to be patient, don't they.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, it does make you appreciate how lucky we are
Speaker 7: in Australia that we don't have active volcanoes. Absolutely yeah,
Speaker 7: regular as sorry, as regularly as they do in Indonesia.
Speaker 2: Robin Einside, thank you very much for your time.
Speaker 7: Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2: Bill Robin's the aviation editor of The Australian. I'll get
Speaker 2: back to the text line shortly. We've had some very
Speaker 2: interesting reports on various airlines coming in different people with
Speaker 2: their different ratings, and one from Gary. Thank you for
Speaker 2: your great work. At Saint Christopher's Football club sixtieth aniversary dinner.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Gary. Only too happy to help out and
Speaker 2: encourage junior sport and make young people better citizens as
Speaker 2: a result, we hope. I flew cat Art to London
Speaker 2: via Doha last June, says Kelly. The flight was awful.
Speaker 2: Staff were rude, food was gross and service non existent.
Speaker 2: Was squeezed in like cattle. There you go. See, not
Speaker 2: everyone has the same experience. The only way to rate
Speaker 2: an airline, says Maria, is safety. This one from Patrick
Speaker 2: paid business class to travel recently on Quantas. The windows
Speaker 2: in the Sydney lounge are all closed off, no view outside.
Speaker 2: You just sit next to shaded windows. Left the lounge
Speaker 2: to avoid claustrophobic, very crowded lounge. So disappointing that what
Speaker 2: should Bequantus's number one business lounge in the world doesn't
Speaker 2: even have windows. I'm not aware of that, Patrick, I
Speaker 2: haven't been in the Business International terminal Quittus lounge, he says,
Speaker 2: just clarifying in a second text, Thank you, Patrick, I
Speaker 2: haven't been in the business lounge for a long time.
Speaker 2: It used to be part of my previous employment. I
Speaker 2: flew a lot around the world, but not for quite
Speaker 2: a long time. Interesting from Paul. So, if regional airlines
Speaker 2: are not easy to make a profit on, why all
Speaker 2: these crazy multinational investors always ready to invest. Yes, I
Speaker 2: wonder about that, Paul. I do wonder about that. A
Speaker 2: few more texts saying the best airline is the one
Speaker 2: that doesn't crash. A sobering text from someone with no name.
Speaker 2: Well done, Billy, You sound just like Netan Yahoo, the
Speaker 2: war criminal himself. I'd like to think I wasn't that harsh.
Speaker 2: Thank you for your text. You're entitled to your opinion
Speaker 2: on net and Yahoo and me. But I was simply
Speaker 2: pointing out the fact that a lot of people would
Speaker 2: like a regime change. They think it would settle the
Speaker 2: Middle East if they had a regime Iran. A lot
Speaker 2: of Iranians think that too, But how they go about
Speaker 2: doing that, where they send their missiles, and who gets
Speaker 2: hurt in the process. I will not pass judgment on
Speaker 2: I was certainly not condoning that. Just in case you
Speaker 2: were wondering now. Back in the late eighties, says Mitch,
Speaker 2: I was playing golf with the mate and an English
Speaker 2: fellow as he was by himself. It turns out he
Speaker 2: was the pilot of the BA plane that flew through
Speaker 2: the volcanic ash and the engines stalled. He said that
Speaker 2: it got to the point that they had one more
Speaker 2: attempt to start the engines or that was it, and
Speaker 2: they started up. He thought they were done for What
Speaker 2: a story. I wonder if the passengers knew that at
Speaker 2: the time. Mitch, Oh, there you go. Haven't been oversea
Speaker 2: since two thousand and nine, says Ben. Yes, well, just
Speaker 2: HARKing back to our various conflicts. I did see a
Speaker 2: map the other day online. You might have sent it
Speaker 2: in one of the newspaper websites as well, which just
Speaker 2: showed where all the flights are being diverted now due
Speaker 2: to the troubles of course in Ukraine and the Middle East,
Speaker 2: and that has since expanded. And yes, I think there
Speaker 2: might be a bit more aviation fuel burnt up, and
Speaker 2: rightly so, I think we're agreed on that to keep
Speaker 2: away from certain areas. Anyway, Oh, thank you kind words, Bob,
Speaker 2: Thank you Paul very much appreciate it. We'll had relatively
Speaker 2: short notice, but we're plowing through thankfully. The Michael McLaren
Speaker 2: shows just a smooth well oiled machine. When we come back,
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what that machine will be up to
Speaker 2: in the next hour. Just a couple of bits of news.
Speaker 2: We had a text asking earlier explosions were seen near
Speaker 2: a moss Ad building outside Tel Aviv, and there are
Speaker 2: reports that Mossad's HQ has been hit, but they are
Speaker 2: mostly from Irany and media and unconfirmed by the other side.
Speaker 2: But that at least is the best we can do
Speaker 2: for you on the question specifically on that. Now there
Speaker 2: has been an announcement from the Treasurer. You might know
Speaker 2: that he's been addressing and still is the National Press Club.
Speaker 2: We had albow in last week and this week it's
Speaker 2: the Treasurer and I can tell you that he's announced
Speaker 2: he'll be hosting an economic reform round table over three
Speaker 2: days from August nineteen to twenty one. The Prime Minister
Speaker 2: will be involved and he's invited the RBA Governor Michelle Bullock,
Speaker 2: and will invite Danielle Wood that's the Productivity Commission chair,
Speaker 2: to participate. The Treasurer says a mix of government, business
Speaker 2: and unions will be represented and the roundtable will be
Speaker 2: about shaping the direction for long term economic reform and
Speaker 2: setting guiding principles. So will it be another talk fest?
Speaker 2: There was hope this morning. This was flagged actually vaguely
Speaker 2: in the newspapers this morning, and commentators are saying, are
Speaker 2: we really going to see some serious reform from this government? Now?
Speaker 2: I know you might not agree with that reform, but
Speaker 2: as I said earlier, governments generally are reluctant to stick
Speaker 2: their necks out. Will that result in anything later on?
Speaker 2: Let us know what you think. One through one eight
Speaker 2: seven three or zero four six zero eight seven three
Speaker 2: eight seven three. We'll be back to talk McCartney.
Speaker 1: Now onto gb and network stations. Back to afternoons with
Speaker 1: Bill Woods filling in.
Speaker 2: From Mangol and Clary. Yes, and thank you very much
Speaker 2: for being with us, and keep the calls coming one
Speaker 2: three one eight seven three or zero four six zero
Speaker 2: eight seven three eight seven three on the text line
Speaker 2: about anything you like. We've talked about airlines, what makes
Speaker 2: a good airline and what has governed your choice in
Speaker 2: the past. We've had plenty of feedback on that, various
Speaker 2: opinions on different airlines, including a negative one on Katar,
Speaker 2: which has been voted by Skytracks as the world's leading airline.
Speaker 2: At least according to a quite large, it must be said,
Speaker 2: survey of customers around the world. As Robin Einste said
Speaker 2: to us earlier, it's a very high quality survey according
Speaker 2: to aviation experts. Now we'll talk in this out very
Speaker 2: shortly to Dave Wilco Wilkins, who's a musician and a
Speaker 2: very accomplished one. I might add also a Paul McCartney
Speaker 2: fans celebrating McCartney's eighty third birthday, love to get your
Speaker 2: feedback on that. Whether you're a McCartney or a Lenin person,
Speaker 2: do your mind have you met him? And I'll tell
Speaker 2: you a bit of a story about one of a
Speaker 2: member of our management team here who actually ran into
Speaker 2: Paul McCartney in a very unusual place. Great story, and
Speaker 2: you're welcome to tell us of any other brushes you've
Speaker 2: had with fame too. It might not necessarily be McCartney,
Speaker 2: but if you ever met a famous person in an
Speaker 2: unusual place, we might have to keep that, might have
Speaker 2: to put a bit of censorship on some of those stories.
Speaker 2: Perhaps just saying in case you're a big fan of
Speaker 2: rock bands back in the day and hang out with them.
Speaker 2: Blake Went will join us. The next half hour after
Speaker 2: half past will be Pretzel Wealth, as it is all
Speaker 2: the time on this day with Michael McLaren. He'll talk
Speaker 2: about anything you like and one three one eight seven
Speaker 2: three you have a question for Blake or get him
Speaker 2: on the text line as well, and come up into
Speaker 2: financial year all those things you must have a question,
Speaker 2: make use of that knowledge while you can, so Blake
Speaker 2: will join us a little later on. Don't forget we've
Speaker 2: still got the Winter Wheel that's coming up in the
Speaker 2: final hour today. We've got one hundred and fifty dollars
Speaker 2: voucher from the b Store to give away for Track
Speaker 2: of the day, and we'll also be having a chat
Speaker 2: with the Master Builders Australia who want the Federal government
Speaker 2: to do a few things that they think are quite
Speaker 2: bold to unlock productivity. We'll see what they have to say.
Speaker 2: So that's a little snapshot of what's coming up for
Speaker 2: us a little later in the day. Plenty of stuff
Speaker 2: coming through on the text line, and we're also going
Speaker 2: to catch up with a reporter. I think we've got
Speaker 2: Penelope Lish right now, our nine years reporter who's been
Speaker 2: covering the so called mushroom case where Aaron Pattisons on
Speaker 2: trial and her defense lawyer, Colin Mandy sc has been
Speaker 2: spending quite some time in his closing summation. So, Penelope,
Speaker 2: thanks for.
Speaker 10: Joining us, Thanks very much for having me, and.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you've just ducked out of the court too,
Speaker 2: because this summation I believe continues in a very very
Speaker 2: detailed one from Colin Mandy today.
Speaker 10: Yeah, so this is the second day of Colin Mandy's
Speaker 10: closing argument. He's told the jury yesterday that they need
Speaker 10: to use theirs, not their hearts, that they should put
Speaker 10: any sympathies aside as to what has happened in this case,
Speaker 10: and to focus on the evidence that's been put before them.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 10: The defense argue this was a tragic accident, that Aaron
Speaker 10: Patterson never deliberately poisoned anyone. What Colin Mandy has been
Speaker 10: taking the juries through this morning is a number of
Speaker 10: different elements. He's told the jurors that Aaron Patterson isn't
Speaker 10: on trial for Lyne, that while she did lie about
Speaker 10: a lump on her elbow, that she had a lump,
Speaker 10: that her in laws showed a lot of attention and
Speaker 10: concern for that, that disappeared, and she continued to tell
Speaker 10: them that she had medical appointments regarding that lump to
Speaker 10: get their care and attention because she felt she was
Speaker 10: being isolated from the family at that time. That they
Speaker 10: can't make any leap from there to find her guilty
Speaker 10: of allegedly murdering anybody, that they need to look at
Speaker 10: the specific evidence regarding what she has been charged with.
Speaker 10: And on Colin Mandy's case, he says there was no
Speaker 10: intent to cause any harm to any of these lunch guests.
Speaker 10: He's spoken just in the last few minutes about what
Speaker 10: he says is an alleged ruse that the prosecution has
Speaker 10: put forward. That the prosecution has alleged Aaron Patterson used
Speaker 10: a fake cancer diagnosis to invite the lunch guest to
Speaker 10: her home to discuss that, and Colin Mandy has told
Speaker 10: the jurors that she didn't tell the lunch guest that
Speaker 10: that she'd only told her estranged husband that she wanted
Speaker 10: to discuss health issues. But beyond that, he says that
Speaker 10: in the second point that he's putting to the jury,
Speaker 10: that these particular jurors should look at what basically break
Speaker 10: down that particular argument that if there was a ruse
Speaker 10: for the lunch guests to come on the evidence the
Speaker 10: conversation about Aaron Patterson's health, and the evidence from the
Speaker 10: only surviving lunch guest ian will concern is that she
Speaker 10: told them she did have a cancer diagnosis after this lunch,
Speaker 10: That that conversation happened after they'd come to the home
Speaker 10: and after they'd eaten. So, if there was a ruse,
Speaker 10: Colin Mandy put to the jury, what would be the
Speaker 10: point of having that conversation following the lunch. They'd already
Speaker 10: been there and eaten the meal. He says, if that
Speaker 10: was the case, why would she have this conversation with
Speaker 10: those munch guests at all?
Speaker 2: And I believe earlier in the summation, Colin Mandy refuted
Speaker 2: some of the behaviors there in Patterson after the fact,
Speaker 2: so to speak, that he said were really attributed to
Speaker 2: panic and not anything else. Was that also part of
Speaker 2: his discussion today.
Speaker 10: So Colin Mandy has said, through his case and through
Speaker 10: his closing argument, that Aaron Patterson panicked in regards to
Speaker 10: some of her actions. But what he's put to the
Speaker 10: jury today is what he's a discussion around hindsight evidence
Speaker 10: He's said that it is very dangerous to use hindsight
Speaker 10: when looking at particular actions, that people only act with
Speaker 10: the information that they have at the time, and that
Speaker 10: everyone has more information when they look back on things
Speaker 10: in retrospect. But he has warned the jury about doing that.
Speaker 10: He's warned the jury that when the eecution has put
Speaker 10: certain things to them, like the fact that Aaron Patterson
Speaker 10: dumped the dehydrator, that they alleged that she lied about
Speaker 10: feeding the leftovers to her children, that they alleged that
Speaker 10: she lied about where the mushrooms had come from, that
Speaker 10: using hindsight to look back at any actions is something
Speaker 10: they really should not be doing, and they need to
Speaker 10: see it, he says, in the context of how these
Speaker 10: individual actions occurred at the time.
Speaker 2: And penlopep before we let you go, any sense of
Speaker 2: when the summation will finish and when the jury will
Speaker 2: be able to retire and try and reach a verdict.
Speaker 10: Well, there's still Colin Mandy. He will go for as
Speaker 10: long as he goes for. But he's certainly had a
Speaker 10: lot of points this morning and given no indication to
Speaker 10: the jury that he's getting close to the end. Yet
Speaker 10: we do know that once his his summations are finished,
Speaker 10: that the next thing for the jury to consider will
Speaker 10: be the judge's charge, which is expected to go over
Speaker 10: a number of days. And there's also expected to be
Speaker 10: a break for a day or so so that that
Speaker 10: there can be sort of that charge written without them.
Speaker 3: In the courtroom.
Speaker 10: So they is expected to be a little bit of
Speaker 10: time still until this jury goes out.
Speaker 2: Right, We thank you very much for your time, Penelope.
Speaker 2: We'll let you get back in there. We really appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Penelope Leish there from nine years reporting on
Speaker 2: the alleged mushroom case, howeveryone refers to it, the charge
Speaker 2: of the trial of Aaron Patterson in Victoria. It's quarter
Speaker 2: past one. We've got calls coming in, by the way,
Speaker 2: the Mushroom Trial, Say Grace podcast from nine podcasts. That's
Speaker 2: where you can hear more from Penelope who has been
Speaker 2: covering that case and will continue to do so. I
Speaker 2: think we'll take a quick break. We'll come back and
Speaker 2: tell some McCartney stories and hear from the great Wilco himself.
Speaker 2: Eighteen past one before we do a bit of celebrating
Speaker 2: of Paul McCartney's birthday with Wilco. We've got a call
Speaker 2: from Scott. Thanks for waiting on Scott, because we also
Speaker 2: asked if you had an unusual brush with fame. I
Speaker 2: think in Scott's case it might have been a tinkle
Speaker 2: with fame. What's your story, mate?
Speaker 11: It was a little sit Uni quiz night and Graham Bond,
Speaker 11: who was Ardie Jack Artie Jack was the quiz master
Speaker 11: and he was standing were standing at the urinal and
Speaker 11: doing a business, just looking your head, and he said,
Speaker 11: I'm going to light have you And I said, yeah,
Speaker 11: I did so I fished out light game of light
Speaker 11: and then he said thanks. And then when we went
Speaker 11: back out, he recommenced the quiz and we were struggling
Speaker 11: out and he said, first, first, Plake put the hand
Speaker 11: up that table a'ts a dozen bottles of wine, and
Speaker 11: it was I put mine up about one hundred. You know,
Speaker 11: I was about one hundred and fifty. He goes, yeah,
Speaker 11: that blike over.
Speaker 2: There was his very very I don't think I've ever
Speaker 2: met Graham Bond, but I hear he's very down towards
Speaker 2: sort of bloke, and that would have been an interesting exchange.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you didn't say mate, let me shake your hand.
Speaker 2: It might have gone not gone down too well. Good
Speaker 2: on to your Scott, Thanks mate, good story. Let's get into it.
Speaker 2: Eh ah. Yes, and just a bit of trivia there
Speaker 2: because I'm a jazz nut. That was the great horn
Speaker 2: player Tom Scott, just bringing in the little bit of
Speaker 2: saxophone there at the end of that chorus. And the
Speaker 2: reason I played that particular song. I mean, how many
Speaker 2: songs as could you play? From McCartney? What do you do?
Speaker 2: We've been listening to what the man has said for many,
Speaker 2: many generations eighty three today, Sir Paul McCartney, from Beatles
Speaker 2: to Wings, the solo work, it's been quite a contribution
Speaker 2: to not just music but culture in general. And we
Speaker 2: thought we'd get a bloke who likes him a bit,
Speaker 2: the great Dave Wilkins Wilco's gig guide of course as
Speaker 2: a regular on the John Stanley Show on Thursdays, and
Speaker 2: we thought no one better than Wilko, who's accomplished musician himself,
Speaker 2: to pass judgment on the McCartney era.
Speaker 8: Hello mate, to pass judgment.
Speaker 6: I love that.
Speaker 8: See how are you today, matean and hello to your listeners,
Speaker 8: what a great day eighty three years old, Paul McCartney, Wow.
Speaker 2: What is your experience? As in? I remember when I
Speaker 2: was a kid. My two sisters who are quite a
Speaker 2: bit older than me, one eleven years older, the other
Speaker 2: thirteen years older. They used to listen to forty five's
Speaker 2: on the old stereo at heart when I was just
Speaker 2: a baby, and I was hearing Beatles songs and a
Speaker 2: whole lot of other stuff from the sixties. And that
Speaker 2: was my introduction to the Beatles. And Paul McCartney, what
Speaker 2: was yours.
Speaker 8: Mate, I've got the greatest Beatles story ever. My mum,
Speaker 8: my dear departed mum. She told me only about ten
Speaker 8: years ago. She said, when I was born up in
Speaker 8: courage On in the mountains, there was all these bassinets
Speaker 8: and she said, which one's my son, And they said,
Speaker 8: it's the one that's rocking in the basinette to the
Speaker 8: Beatles song. And it's never stopped. I've been a McCartney
Speaker 8: fan forever. One of my earliest recollections of buying a
Speaker 8: vinyl album was I was in my single digits. I
Speaker 8: think I was at school and Venus and Mars was
Speaker 8: coming out, and I saved up all my coins and
Speaker 8: I went to the record store and bought that. I
Speaker 8: must have played that until it wore out. You know,
Speaker 8: it just was one side to the other. I could
Speaker 8: not stop listening to just amazing.
Speaker 2: It wasn't until I started digging deeper into the Beatles
Speaker 2: catalog and they started issuing stereo versions and remastered versions
Speaker 2: of their original albums. And I'll tell you what, if
Speaker 2: you haven't heard a lot of that stuff recently other
Speaker 2: than the big hits, and we'll go you'd know what
Speaker 2: I'm talking about. We don't want to get too detailed
Speaker 2: and too musical about it, but a lot of the
Speaker 2: stuff the Beatles came up with was later copied by
Speaker 2: a whole lot of They inspired so many other great
Speaker 2: musicians of the seventies and beyond whose sounds we thought, wow,
Speaker 2: that's cool. But then if you go back, you might
Speaker 2: find a back catalog song from the Beatles and one
Speaker 2: of their albums it wasn't well known, and you'll think, oh, crikey,
Speaker 2: they've already done that.
Speaker 8: You're absolutely spot on, Bill. I think you'd be hard
Speaker 8: pressed to put on any radio station around the planet,
Speaker 8: just on any minute of the day without finding the
Speaker 8: Beatles inspired or Paul McCartney or John Lennon inspired song
Speaker 8: or riff or melody or hook, and you know they
Speaker 8: had more hooks in the ktel fish and vision. Those guys,
Speaker 8: it's just unbelieved. They couldn't write a bad song.
Speaker 5: Good day.
Speaker 2: Lennon was, of course socially incredibly famous and you know,
Speaker 2: imagine was a big deal for a lot of people
Speaker 2: back in the day and that kind of swayed them
Speaker 2: in favor of him. But look, my personal view is
Speaker 2: I think McCartney has produced a lot more high quality work, notwithstanding,
Speaker 2: of course Lenin sadly what hasn't been with us as long.
Speaker 2: But you know, you were more. Do you think there's
Speaker 2: an argument there that McCartney was the greater contributor. I
Speaker 2: guess it probably doesn't matter in the long.
Speaker 8: Term, do you know. I mean, we've we've just been
Speaker 8: blessed by some footage over the last couple of years
Speaker 8: that there's been put together, you know, in those mini
Speaker 8: series that Disney brought out of the Beatles in the
Speaker 8: studio in and around their last couple of albums, and
Speaker 8: it just shows the contribution that Paul McCartney had over
Speaker 8: the band. And also you George Mark and he was
Speaker 8: definitely a standout and that I mean, you know, four incredible,
Speaker 8: incredibly talented musicians in that band, but Paul McCartney felt
Speaker 8: to me like he was the one in the last
Speaker 8: couple of albums that was making it all happen.
Speaker 2: And beyond that, of course you had Wings. Then he
Speaker 2: had some solo work as well. Wings got a lot
Speaker 2: of criticism because of well a lot of it was dude,
Speaker 2: Linda McCartney. That's all very strange people think, thinking she
Speaker 2: wasn't talented enough to play alongside her husband. But you know,
Speaker 2: all that aside, he went on to write many, many
Speaker 2: other great songs.
Speaker 8: No, just isn't it. It's just an encyclopedia of songs
Speaker 8: And if there's any aspiring songwriters out there, you just
Speaker 8: have to listen to any of those records from the sixties, seventies, eighties,
Speaker 8: and like I think the last one was only a
Speaker 8: couple of years ago, Bill that he's still contributing and
Speaker 8: writing to this day. You know what an incredible talent,
Speaker 8: you know, from Blackbird Yesterday Live and Let Die Hell
Speaker 8: to Skelet a Band on the Run, all those kind
Speaker 8: of songs, they're just amazing.
Speaker 2: Yep. There's a grammatical error in Live and Let Die
Speaker 2: which always bugs me in this ever changing world in
Speaker 2: which we live in, is grammatically incorrect. It bugs me.
Speaker 2: I don't know why. But anyway, apart from that, I
Speaker 2: love it. I love the song. But anyway, Look, the
Speaker 2: other thing about McCartney too is that he has been,
Speaker 2: as far as I know, very generous with a whole
Speaker 2: lot of other musicians of later generations. He happily collaborates,
Speaker 2: He involves himself with all sorts of people. And I
Speaker 2: think that legacy is important as.
Speaker 8: Well, without a doubt, that's a great word. Legacy is
Speaker 8: going to leave the most magnificent collection of songs, quite
Speaker 8: possibly in history. So we're talking about a guy that's
Speaker 8: paved the way for newer musicians. He's paved the way
Speaker 8: for technology, he's paved the way for touring. He's incredible
Speaker 8: and still active to this day, Like right now, he's
Speaker 8: out doing you know, he's on the road doing bits
Speaker 8: and pieces. You just wonder where this guy gets the
Speaker 8: energy from.
Speaker 2: And his breadth of work encompasses some pretty profound stuff.
Speaker 2: I mean, you look at yesterday for example, and some
Speaker 2: of it's simply profound. Literally, I mean that, yeah, and
Speaker 2: melodically the arrangements as well. And yet he wrote a
Speaker 2: bit of junk too. I mean there's some stuff on
Speaker 2: his albums. Particularly what was he doing when he recorded that?
Speaker 2: Who said that was a good idea?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 8: He was known a couple of times for taking a
Speaker 8: bit of a token for wacking back.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 9: It was possible there.
Speaker 8: But it's funny you just say that that word arrangement
Speaker 8: in the songs, as you say and your intro there,
Speaker 8: you're a bit of a jazz head villain. The thing is,
Speaker 8: with jazz musicians and pop and rock, the arrangements really matter.
Speaker 8: They're everything in a song. And the arrangement song just
Speaker 8: just say live and let die. It has three or
Speaker 8: four different sections to that song, which are all equally
Speaker 8: as magnificent when you put them all together. Wow, they're
Speaker 8: just masterpieces. And he was great with getting bits and
Speaker 8: pieces of songs and putting them, gluing them together to
Speaker 8: become a hit. They're just his knack of arrangements was uncannon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the intensity in that song, Yeah, the mood changes
Speaker 2: within that relatively short space of time. It's pretty well done.
Speaker 2: Do you know will go? If he wrote that was
Speaker 2: he commissioned to write that for the James Bond movie
Speaker 2: or was that a song that they They must have
Speaker 2: commission him to write it because it had the same
Speaker 2: title as the film, So yeah, it must have been
Speaker 2: a doubt.
Speaker 8: Definitely. Look without going to doctor Google here, I do
Speaker 8: believe that that was the case. And how well that
Speaker 8: fitted for that time and for that movie. That's just unbelievable.
Speaker 8: That section in the end with the orchestration, Wow, that's
Speaker 8: just mind boggling.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. It is amazing. And just quickly before
Speaker 2: I let you go, we've got news coming up. He's
Speaker 2: still performing in his eighties. And I said it before,
Speaker 2: I really regret not going to the concerts he did
Speaker 2: in Australia, and nearly everyone I knew seemed to be
Speaker 2: going to those concerts. Yeah, I can't remember why I didn't.
Speaker 2: There was a good reason for it at the time,
Speaker 2: but it's it's yeah, it's it was something special apparently
Speaker 2: for a guy that old Bill.
Speaker 8: I was really lucky enough to go in. I think
Speaker 8: it was November, memory serves me, November in twenty three
Speaker 8: and I was at in Sydney and it was there
Speaker 8: was a feeling amongst the audience, You're just in the
Speaker 8: presence of greatness, you know, and like the hour building
Speaker 8: up to the gig, it was just something euphoric. And
Speaker 8: then he got down on stage and he performed for
Speaker 8: three hours. He did I for the first time ever,
Speaker 8: did a duet with John Lennon. You know, thank God
Speaker 8: for a and technology. But I got a feeling with
Speaker 8: John Lennon and it was just one of those moments
Speaker 8: you're never ever going to forget. So yeah, it was
Speaker 8: a shame he didn't go to that, mate. I've been
Speaker 8: to a few McCartney shows and each one has just
Speaker 8: been just, you know, a life altering experience. Ever met him,
Speaker 8: I've never met him.
Speaker 5: Oh my god.
Speaker 8: I wish I had, but I'd probably be star struck.
Speaker 8: To me, I'd probably go into that world where'd say
Speaker 8: something really stupid. But no, I mate, I would have
Speaker 8: loved to have met the guy. But still time, he's
Speaker 8: still alive, and he's still picking and he's still.
Speaker 2: To one of our managers here. Lisa told us the
Speaker 2: story this morning that she was at the ABC at
Speaker 2: a loading dock and he'd made an appearance there apparently,
Speaker 2: and suddenly she was out there standing on the loading
Speaker 2: dock and next to her is Paul McCartney. She was
Speaker 2: twenty three at the time, and yeah, and they just
Speaker 2: had a little brief chat. His security guard was standing
Speaker 2: there making sure that you know, she wasn't a threat
Speaker 2: or anything. But he must have been taking the sneaky
Speaker 2: way out after an appearance there for some reason, and
Speaker 2: she ran into the leading doc.
Speaker 8: She'd, yeah, it's not the place she'd expect to meet
Speaker 8: somebody like that. But but yeah, from from all, from
Speaker 8: all instances, and the folks that I know that have
Speaker 8: met him, and they just say, is the most down
Speaker 8: to earth you know, easily talk to human being with
Speaker 8: And you love to hear that about your idols, don't
Speaker 8: you that that that they're just great human beings and
Speaker 8: want to share some time with you. I think that's
Speaker 8: a that's something that that some of the you know,
Speaker 8: the superstars that don't have, but he certainly does.
Speaker 2: And just before we go, Hi, Bill says Nick that
Speaker 2: line in Living that I always annoyed me too, But
Speaker 2: I wonder if it isn't in which we're living, you know, Nick,
Speaker 2: that's a good point. I've heard the song a million
Speaker 2: times and he's probably in which we're living. He's probably
Speaker 2: dropped the g as you would.
Speaker 8: There's a grammar problem there too.
Speaker 2: Come on, Yeah, but that's a good point Nick, and
Speaker 2: Albie says, if you're worried about grammatical errors, you might
Speaker 2: as well give up on music and poetry. Well, that
Speaker 2: was just a jarring one, Albie. I'm not totally against
Speaker 2: grammatical errors. Hey, I really appreciate your time. Welcome. We
Speaker 2: look forward to hearing you on the John Stanley Shelf
Speaker 2: course tomorrow night.
Speaker 8: Oh thanks for having me on today to talk about
Speaker 8: Paul McCartney because Jesse, He's an incredible human being and
Speaker 8: I've been a loyal fan for a very very long time.
Speaker 2: Good only mate, Thanks for coming in. Dave Wilkins, time
Speaker 2: for the news. Good afternoon, Aaron Mark, Good afternoon, Bill.
Speaker 12: Police have described a six hour sexual assault on a
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Speaker 2: Don't forget. We'll get your Beatles stories in Paul McCartney
Speaker 2: stories after the hour, because right after this we'll have
Speaker 2: Blake went for his regular segment. So one three one
Speaker 2: eight seven three or zero four six zero eight seven
Speaker 2: three eight seven three for some free financial advice. It's
Speaker 2: twenty three to.
Speaker 1: Two now on afternoons, All Things Finance with Blake went
Speaker 1: from Pretzel Wealth. Organize your free consultation at Pretzelwealth dot
Speaker 1: com dot au.
Speaker 2: Yes, Blake is here. One three one eight seven three
Speaker 2: zero four six zero eight seven three eight seven three.
Speaker 2: He'll talk about anything you like relating to personal wealth finance.
Speaker 2: It's how are you mate, good mate, good yourself well?
Speaker 2: In a financial year, you'd be pretty.
Speaker 13: Busy, pretty busy, just trying to get contributions into super
Speaker 13: and move moneys around. So it's an exciting time. It
Speaker 13: certainly keeps me up at night, but it's all good fun.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think with the the unexpected, it's fair to
Speaker 2: say in some quarters speculation about interest rates going down,
Speaker 2: we'd have a lot of self undered retirees thinking, hmm,
Speaker 2: do I move my money around?
Speaker 13: Certainly, and you know some of the minutes that have
Speaker 13: come out from the RBA that there's question marks around okay,
Speaker 13: what you know if tariffs from the US come back online?
Speaker 13: What does that mean for us? And the market is
Speaker 13: starting to talk about potentially a July rate cut again.
Speaker 13: So it's it's interesting to see, you know, some of
Speaker 13: that commentary. We'll no closer to the date, of course
Speaker 13: what's happening there, But this is the theme now, Bill.
Speaker 13: It's interest rates are coming down. How quickly well, time
Speaker 13: will tell. But as they come down, that's great for
Speaker 13: mortgage holders. Not so great if you're a retiree with
Speaker 13: cash sitting in the bank.
Speaker 2: I've got three kids with mortgages. They know all about it.
Speaker 2: They're in their thirties. They're trying to pay it down
Speaker 2: and do it a pretty good job. They're disciplined about it,
Speaker 2: but hey, if you're a self under retiree with a
Speaker 2: short term deposit, and those sort of things are important.
Speaker 2: Leaving super side for a moment, but there's all those
Speaker 2: factors too.
Speaker 13: Certainly, you know you're now starting to think, Okay, do
Speaker 13: I leave my money in the high interest savings account?
Speaker 2: Do I leave it in cash sitting there?
Speaker 13: Yes, you might be getting a better interest rate than
Speaker 13: locking it up for twelve months, but maybe the term
Speaker 13: deposit or locking it up for a longer period of
Speaker 13: times the way to go, especially if we're thinking, well,
Speaker 13: there's going to be a few more rate cuts. So
Speaker 13: you know, whilst at the average i'd say twelve month
Speaker 13: term deposits sitting at about four percent, that's lower than
Speaker 13: what you can get in a high entred savings account,
Speaker 13: high indret savings accounts are sort of sitting around that
Speaker 13: four and a half to four point seventy five percent
Speaker 13: on average. Some are giving you bonus rates in the
Speaker 13: five still, but certainly this is on people's minds. They're saying, well,
Speaker 13: what do we do now? You know, this is the
Speaker 13: conversation we're having. As COVID was kicking on when they
Speaker 13: started cutting rates quite aggressively. Cash was effectively paying you
Speaker 13: nothing back then, and so alternatives had to be considered.
Speaker 13: Push people into the stock market, had to get money's invested.
Speaker 13: And I think that's where it's going to go again.
Speaker 2: And if so, for how long? That's the other thing
Speaker 2: tend to be question. That's a piece of string question
Speaker 2: obviously when it comes to the economy. It's twenty to
Speaker 2: two calls some text coming in already, mate, which is great.
Speaker 2: Thank you for not leaving it to the last minute,
Speaker 2: because we can't accommodate you. If you do so, we
Speaker 2: really appreciate it. Brian, well done, You're first in the queue.
Speaker 2: How can Blake help?
Speaker 14: It's good afternoon. Every year I put the maximum amount
Speaker 14: of concessional contribution into my super whereby the super by superparton,
Speaker 14: takes out fifteen percent of that and gives it to
Speaker 14: the government as tax. At the time of my death.
Speaker 14: If it's the person who gets my inheritance from my
Speaker 14: super is not my spouse, it is my children, they
Speaker 14: are potentially able to be charged by the government fifteen
Speaker 14: to seventy percent tax on that inheritance. What I want
Speaker 14: to know is, therefore I have what they call a
Speaker 14: taxable component in my superannuation fund, in my accumulation fund.
Speaker 14: How why do I have to pay additional will my
Speaker 14: children need to pay additional tax on that? Why is
Speaker 14: it called a taxable component? And how can I not
Speaker 14: be in that position?
Speaker 13: Okay, So this all comes back to how super was
Speaker 13: created and the treatment of tax under certain circumstances.
Speaker 2: So you're quite right.
Speaker 13: If you pass away and your super goes to your spouse,
Speaker 13: no tax on that on that amount. But if it
Speaker 13: goes to adult children, you're axible component will be taxed
Speaker 13: fifteen percent if it goes to them via the will
Speaker 13: or the estate. If you transfer the or the superinnuation
Speaker 13: ends up going to the children directly, so you nominate
Speaker 13: the children as beneficiaries on your superfund, then there is
Speaker 13: a fifteen percent rate of tax plus Medicare because obviously
Speaker 13: Medicare is important, so they slap on a two percent
Speaker 13: medicare charge on that. Getting around that, there's two ways.
Speaker 13: One is, if you're young enough, so under the age
Speaker 13: of seventy five, you could consider a recontribution strategy. Also
Speaker 13: subject to I suppose your total superbalance if you're less
Speaker 13: than one point nine million dollars at the moment you
Speaker 13: can do these recontribution strategies, moneys would come out of Super.
Speaker 13: Moneys would then go back into Super subject to contribution limits.
Speaker 13: So you can effectively get in one hundred and twenty
Speaker 13: thousand or three hundred and sixty thousand back into Super.
Speaker 13: So essentially money's out, money's in. If you're mindful that
Speaker 13: maybe there's not so much time left, you could withdraw
Speaker 13: Super in its entirety. So if you can pull the
Speaker 13: total balance out of Super, then that will negate any
Speaker 13: death taxes applicable superannuation.
Speaker 2: So two options.
Speaker 13: The second option really is a bit tricky because we
Speaker 13: don't know what time we've got left, and it's very
Speaker 13: difficult to sort of try to pinpoint that. So option
Speaker 13: one's the preferred option. Get some advice around this. Moneys
Speaker 13: need to leave Super, go back in, and when they
Speaker 13: go back in, it enters the tax free component, and
Speaker 13: when you pass away, it doesn't matter who gets the Super.
Speaker 13: If a component of that superannuation is tax free, there's
Speaker 13: no tax applicable to that. So, yeah, you quite make
Speaker 13: a good point. Bright not too many people are aware
Speaker 13: of this death tax that sits there in Super. Fifteen
Speaker 13: percent tax has been paid in. It's in a concessional environment.
Speaker 13: You're able to start income streams later on in life
Speaker 13: through retirement and enjoy the benefits of potentially having it
Speaker 13: all tax free. But the government certainly wants to take
Speaker 13: their share at the end.
Speaker 14: Would my superfund handle that reconstitute reconstribution amount? Would they
Speaker 14: do that or would I have to pay a financial
Speaker 14: advisor to do that?
Speaker 2: They can help you.
Speaker 13: They would have financial advisors that can assist with that strategy.
Speaker 13: You may have to pay for the advice from the superfund,
Speaker 13: but I would always encourage getting some advice around that,
Speaker 13: because you don't want to sort of pull too much
Speaker 13: out of super can't get it back in, and so
Speaker 13: have a chat with the super fund. They may be
Speaker 13: able to point you in the right direction, but they
Speaker 13: may end up saying, look, go speak to one of
Speaker 13: our advisors and there may be a charge for that.
Speaker 14: Okay, very helpful, Thank you, Blake.
Speaker 2: Thanks Brian, Good luck, Brian. I think we'll probably you've
Speaker 2: probably answered a lot of this next one on the
Speaker 2: text line, Blake, but it might be slightly different, so
Speaker 2: I'll ask it anyway. This is from Robin who says,
Speaker 2: I have a SUPER account where I have nominated my
Speaker 2: two sons as fifty percent each beneficiaries. I understand they
Speaker 2: would need to pay tax at their current tax rate
Speaker 2: once the funds were distributed to them. However, if it
Speaker 2: was paid to my estate instead, are they still liable
Speaker 2: for tax?
Speaker 13: So the simple answers, yes, they would be liable for
Speaker 13: tax irrespective, but it's not at their marginal tax rates.
Speaker 13: It's at a captu rate of fifteen percent. However, if
Speaker 13: it goes the goes to your sons directly, there's a
Speaker 13: fifteen percent rate of tax plus two percent medicare levy.
Speaker 2: So terribly important.
Speaker 13: Whilst you can to try to clean up the death tax,
Speaker 13: of course, we need to have access to SUPER. So
Speaker 13: generally speaking, over the age of sixty, if you've med
Speaker 13: a conditioner or release, you can access SUPER. Or be
Speaker 13: sixty five years of age and still working, that's fine,
Speaker 13: but you have to do this before turning seventy five.
Speaker 13: So terribly important to get this right and get this
Speaker 13: completed in time, otherwise there might be some taxes paid
Speaker 13: in it. At the end of the day, it just
Speaker 13: means less money going to kids or whoever you're intending
Speaker 13: whoever you're intending to have the money's go to.
Speaker 2: We're talking to Blake went from Pretzel Wealth. This is
Speaker 2: of course his regular segment on the Michael McLaren Show.
Speaker 2: It's fourteen to two. We'll be right back one three
Speaker 2: one eight seven three or on the text line zero
Speaker 2: four six, zero eight seven three eight seven three. Blake
Speaker 2: wentz with us from Pretzel Wealth at eleven to two,
Speaker 2: and we've got Mark on the line with another question
Speaker 2: for you. A lot of super questions today, which is understandable,
Speaker 2: I suppose, with all that's all the talk around from
Speaker 2: the federal government.
Speaker 6: Good a Mark, Yeah, good afternoon, Thanks for taking my call.
Speaker 6: I've just got a question in relation to a self
Speaker 6: managed super superannuation fund that I've got set up, which
Speaker 6: I've got with two other family members and or all trustees.
Speaker 6: Next year when we meet a condition to release and
Speaker 6: move it from accumulation into pension phase. We have a
Speaker 6: property within the fund. If we were to sell that
Speaker 6: property next year when it's moved into pension phase, is
Speaker 6: a coupital gains tax free with the mediate effect, or
Speaker 6: is there like a waiting period before it becomes capital
Speaker 6: gains tax free? Once the property involved.
Speaker 2: So there's a few things here.
Speaker 13: So one you've mentioned that there's other family members involved
Speaker 13: in the super fund. So generally speaking, all members would
Speaker 13: need to be in pension phase in order to sell
Speaker 13: the asset tax free. There may be a path for
Speaker 13: segregating assets, but often is the case that that's a
Speaker 13: little bit too tricky to pull off. But generally speaking,
Speaker 13: all members should be in pension phase if you're trying
Speaker 13: to sell it capital gains tax free. The second one
Speaker 13: is just around the timing. So what we want to
Speaker 13: do is, if we're not segregating the assets inside the
Speaker 13: self managed super fund, we want to be in pension
Speaker 13: phase for the full financial year, so that means from
Speaker 13: one July right through to thirtieth June. We want to
Speaker 13: be in pension phase through that period because it means
Speaker 13: that one hundred percent of the time, one hundred percent
Speaker 13: of the assets are in in pension phase. So that
Speaker 13: way you're selling the asset completely takes free. If, for example,
Speaker 13: you were to go into pension phase on the first
Speaker 13: of January, well only half of that time that's elapsed
Speaker 13: throughout that financial year has been in pension phase, and
Speaker 13: so only half of the game will be wiped essentially,
Speaker 13: so there still could be some capital gains. So two
Speaker 13: things to keep in mind, Mark One is all members
Speaker 13: need to be in pension phase and the second one
Speaker 13: is all members need to be in pension phase for
Speaker 13: the full financial year, so just be cautious of that.
Speaker 13: Speak to your accountant or the self many superfund administrator.
Speaker 13: They'll be able to guide you as to what the
Speaker 13: possible outcomes will look like. But it's a very common strategy.
Speaker 13: You've got money in super you've got an asset a
Speaker 13: house potentially in soup. You wait until getting to retirement
Speaker 13: phase to then sell that asset. Capital gains tax free,
Speaker 13: so it's a good move on that side.
Speaker 6: Okay, So essentially you've got to hang on under it
Speaker 6: when you're in pension phase for a good twelve months.
Speaker 13: No sorry sorry, Marky can sell that straight away. But
Speaker 13: what needs to have happened is you're all in pension
Speaker 13: phase from the start of the financial year, so you
Speaker 13: don't have to hold onto it for the full twelve months.
Speaker 13: You could sell at any time. It's mainly around how
Speaker 13: the members are structured in the superfund that matters. More so,
Speaker 13: so that property could be sold, but just make sure
Speaker 13: you're all in pension phase for the full financial.
Speaker 6: Year, for the full financial year. Okay, great, all right,
Speaker 6: thank you very much, Matte.
Speaker 2: Thanks for you col mate. Good luck with that. We'll
Speaker 2: try and rip through some of these questions on the
Speaker 2: text line Blake, with only a few minutes remaining, I
Speaker 2: wonder how many people actually understand how unitized super funds operate,
Speaker 2: says Michael, for example, incurring capital gains tax for other
Speaker 2: members cashing out. Does Blake have an opinion on switching
Speaker 2: to an ETF based superfund?
Speaker 13: So unitized fund so industry funds? Just think of industry funds.
Speaker 13: There you're all in the pool together, so you're sharing
Speaker 13: tax benefits and tax consequences us apart. So something to
Speaker 13: bear in mind. If you don't like that idea, then
Speaker 13: consider switching ETF super fund. So there's Vanguard who offer
Speaker 13: ETFs via super Look, you can consider that low cost
Speaker 13: way of investing funds. Before you do anything, just get
Speaker 13: some advice around. Is that the right move? There may
Speaker 13: be some things that you need to consider. Are you
Speaker 13: invested correctly? Do they invest on your behalf? Do you
Speaker 13: have to choose the investment? So just get some advice
Speaker 13: before moving.
Speaker 2: David has a question on the text line, could you
Speaker 2: advise how long I get to sell my deceased mother's
Speaker 2: house without playing capital gains taxes exactly? Is it exactly
Speaker 2: two years from her death or is it the rest
Speaker 2: of the financial year plus two full financial years.
Speaker 13: Yep, that's a good question. It's two years from the
Speaker 13: date of death. So if you go beyond two years
Speaker 13: from the date of death, what ends up happening is
Speaker 13: the price of the property, as the date of death
Speaker 13: is the cost base of that property, and so whatever
Speaker 13: you sell it for beyond that point, there may be
Speaker 13: some capital gainst tax on that portion, not from when
Speaker 13: a parent or a loved one purchased the property originally.
Speaker 2: Les wants to know, would my children need to pay
Speaker 2: tax with a funeral plan pay out when I die
Speaker 2: it's not in super.
Speaker 13: Generally tax free funeral plans.
Speaker 6: Yes.
Speaker 2: Maryland wants to know. Only heard the very end of
Speaker 2: the beneficiary's entitlement to superinheritance today. Is there somewhere I
Speaker 2: can hear this interview again as a podcast, Yes, I
Speaker 2: think Joel. It'll be up pretty soon after the show's
Speaker 2: finished on the two GB website. Maryland, so you can
Speaker 2: get all that. How do you declare your in pension
Speaker 2: age or pension phase? I think they mean with a
Speaker 2: self managed superfund.
Speaker 13: Okay, so this is paperwork, so speak to the administrator.
Speaker 13: There may be some minutes that need to be signed
Speaker 13: off on, but you're effectively making a self declaration to
Speaker 13: yourself because you are the superfund essentially.
Speaker 2: And I think we've got just enough time to answer
Speaker 2: one more question. Tom wants to know working full time,
Speaker 2: can my employer still put in contributions after I'm seventy
Speaker 2: five years of age.
Speaker 13: Yes, the employer can put in superfund. So as long
Speaker 13: as it's part of your agreements. You're not sort of
Speaker 13: a contract or anything like that. You're employed on a
Speaker 13: full time, part time casual basis and you're entitled to
Speaker 13: super Yes, super guarantee comes through.
Speaker 2: Okay, Now, don't forget Blake from Pretzel Wealth. We'll be
Speaker 2: back at this time next week, so make sure if
Speaker 2: you haven't got any if you haven't been able to
Speaker 2: get a question in today, you'll get a chance when
Speaker 2: Michael comes back and we do this segment again next week. Blake,
Speaker 2: thank you very much for coming in. Made all the
Speaker 2: best pleasure. Good to see out there. He is Blake
Speaker 2: went from Pretzel Wealth. I'll be back to tell you
Speaker 2: what's happening in the final hour coming up. After the news,
Speaker 2: we'll get back to the text.
Speaker 3: Lon.
Speaker 2: We've got some lovely stuff on the Paul McCartney connection,
Speaker 2: including more debate over the lyrics Live and Let Die.
Speaker 2: But we sorted it out. We've sorted it out. I
Speaker 2: was wrong, but it's just the way Paul sings it.
Speaker 2: Had me thrown. We'll talk to Danita Warren, CEO of
Speaker 2: Master Builders about their plans to call on the federal
Speaker 2: government to unlock productivity. Good luck with that. We need
Speaker 2: to build more homes. Master Builders are on it, but
Speaker 2: we'll find out what Dnita has to say. Also Matthew Wilson,
Speaker 2: who's from Road Maintenance Partnerships to Transport near South Wales.
Speaker 2: How are they maintaining the bridge these days? Is it
Speaker 2: getting tougher or easier? It looks a bit rusty at
Speaker 2: the moment, so I reckon we'd you for a repaint.
Speaker 2: But we'll find out more about that and we'll have
Speaker 2: the wind a wheel track of the day and a
Speaker 2: whole lot more. Hope you can stick with us now
Speaker 2: onto gb and network stations.
Speaker 1: Back to afternoons with Bill Woods filling.
Speaker 2: In from Mango. McLaren, thank you for being with us
Speaker 2: this afternoon. In case you've only just caught up with us,
Speaker 2: Michael has family matters to attend to. He's well, but
Speaker 2: he will be back on Friday, we understand, so I'll
Speaker 2: be filling in for the rest of this afternoon and
Speaker 2: tomorrow's program. Will talk shortly to the CEO of Master
Speaker 2: Billders Australia Tonit or Warn and they want some action
Speaker 2: from the federal government. They have what they call bold ideas.
Speaker 2: We'll hear from them and hopefully we can, as they say,
Speaker 2: unlock this frozen building productivity. The building industry in a
Speaker 2: quite a state. Actually, we had these measurements of how
Speaker 2: well the economy's going, and invariably, as governments do, they
Speaker 2: trot out the ones that sound good, but there are
Speaker 2: many other measurements that aren't looking too good at the moment,
Speaker 2: and that's one of them. Not to mention the fact
Speaker 2: that we need more housing. Clinton maynardel join us, you'll
Speaker 2: drop in, tell us what's happening in Sydney. Now, Big
Speaker 2: show again this afternoon we'll also have a chat as
Speaker 2: we normally do at this time of the day with
Speaker 2: Scott Phillips, the Motley Fool. Matthew Wilson's the executive director
Speaker 2: of Road Maintenance Partnerships for Transport New South Wales. How
Speaker 2: are they going with maintenance of the Harbor Bridge? It
Speaker 2: just occurred to me today driving across the bridge seeing
Speaker 2: some pretty big rust patches. How has that evolved over
Speaker 2: the years. Is it harder or easier now to maintain
Speaker 2: the Harbor Bridge. We've got obviously evolving technology when it
Speaker 2: comes to paints and other coatings and treatments for the bridge,
Speaker 2: but it is a big hunt hunk of metal hanging
Speaker 2: over salt water, so it needs constant work. And we'll
Speaker 2: find out how we go about that these days, and
Speaker 2: whether they've got any revolutionary new ways of doing it,
Speaker 2: and what the greater traffic problems that we have in
Speaker 2: this city despite the fact that we've got a second
Speaker 2: tunnel being built, you know, do those traffic problems cause
Speaker 2: more difficulties when it comes to looking after the old
Speaker 2: coat hanger anyway, all that's just ahead of us. In
Speaker 2: the meantime, we've got our footy tips with Chuck now
Speaker 2: Chuk or Clawed, as is well known, is Michael's regular
Speaker 2: tipster on a Wednesday, and I have in fact filled
Speaker 2: in for Michael before and we've had Chuck on the program.
Speaker 2: He's not available today, but I will be able to
Speaker 2: give you his tips. So if you are ready with
Speaker 2: pencil in hand or whatever it is you write with
Speaker 2: in this technological age, fingers and thumbs on your keypad,
Speaker 2: We've got Chuck's tips, starting with State of Origin, where
Speaker 2: he's tipping the Blues to win, but by nine points.
Speaker 2: It's an unusual margin, isn't it, Considering in the first
Speaker 2: match it should have been a lot more than what
Speaker 2: it was due to the strangeness of their goal kicking.
Speaker 2: It was such a dominant performance and yet No only
Speaker 2: won by a couple of converted tries in the end. Anyway,
Speaker 2: the Morons have massive incentive to bounce back. There's been
Speaker 2: all this toing and frowing the whole Aaron Woods Billy
Speaker 2: Slayter saga that got very out of hand and unfortunate,
Speaker 2: very sad to have to bring the name of Paul
Speaker 2: Green into that conversation, unwittingly, I assume, but nevertheless it
Speaker 2: happened and I hope that doesn't sour things up too much.
Speaker 2: But to Queensland need any more incentive than their performance
Speaker 2: in the first game anyway, Blues by nine according to Chuk.
Speaker 2: Now let's get onto the NRL itself. We've got the Tigers.
Speaker 2: That's Michael's team playing the Raiders. Not an easy game
Speaker 2: for them, it has to be said. Thirteenth versus second,
Speaker 2: Chuck tips the Raiders there for the match between the
Speaker 2: Warriors and the Panthers, how well are the Warriors looking
Speaker 2: the Warriors and the Dolphins anyway? Warriors is Chuck's tip
Speaker 2: against Penrith, and when it comes to the Dolphins he
Speaker 2: also tips them to beat Newcastle. Pretty hard to go
Speaker 2: past those tips. Then it comes to rabbit Os and Storm.
Speaker 2: Now I thought the rabbit Os, even though I'm a
Speaker 2: Canterbury supporter, were flatted by that score on the weekend.
Speaker 2: They were completely dominated in that match and still found
Speaker 2: a way to get very close to beating Canterbury through
Speaker 2: sheer will. They defended extremely well, scramble well and that
Speaker 2: twenty five minute delay for lightning didn't help the Bulldogs
Speaker 2: because they're a team that tends to wear the opposition down,
Speaker 2: so having had a rest the rabbit O's came out
Speaker 2: and made a game of it. But anyway, they're playing
Speaker 2: the Storm and Chuck's tip is the Storm, and I
Speaker 2: think that's a fair tip. Now onto the Broncos game
Speaker 2: against the Sharks. That's an interesting one. Seventh playing fifth,
Speaker 2: arguably the best game of the round, and Chuck tips
Speaker 2: the Broncos. Then we move on too the game between
Speaker 2: the Roosters and the Cowboys. Fairly big round this weekend.
Speaker 2: A few teams get the bye, but Roosters and Cowboys.
Speaker 2: Chooks tipping the Roosters to win that one. That's eighth
Speaker 2: versus tenth should be a good though. And Paramount are
Speaker 2: playing the Titans. The Eels not looking too bad and
Speaker 2: the Titans looking well. It's sixteenth versus seventeenth, but both
Speaker 2: teams actually starting to look a bit better. Let's put
Speaker 2: it that way. We don't get too excited about it.
Speaker 2: Chucks tipping the Titans there. That might upset a few
Speaker 2: Paramatta fans. So there you go. Chuck's tips for the
Speaker 2: weekend at twelve past two. Now we'll talk to the
Speaker 2: Master Builders and just a tick. But I did promise
Speaker 2: to go back to the text line so thank you
Speaker 2: for hanging in there. And Mitch and a whole bunch
Speaker 2: of other people have been digging into their search engines
Speaker 2: to check the lyrics of Live and Let Die and
Speaker 2: if this ever changing world in which we're living is
Speaker 2: the actual lyric, which of course I stupidly never bothered
Speaker 2: to check. But I've just heard the way Sir Paul
Speaker 2: sings it a number of times and I thought it
Speaker 2: was a bit grammatically incorrect. But there you go. So
Speaker 2: a lot of people have sorted that out. For me,
Speaker 2: I feel so much better now. I can sleep tonight.
Speaker 2: But it's funny that you get hooked on those things.
Speaker 2: The other thing about song lyrics, and this is probably
Speaker 2: a discussion we might hold over for tomorrow, is what
Speaker 2: is the song lyric that you got wrong? For so
Speaker 2: long you thought they were singing one thing, but they
Speaker 2: are actually singing something else. That's another funny chat which
Speaker 2: we might leave for tomorrow because we don't have a
Speaker 2: lot of time in this last down. I've got plenty
Speaker 2: of things to do, so we might get onto that
Speaker 2: one tomorrow. If our team can remember that, we might
Speaker 2: bring that up because there's some very funny examples. What
Speaker 2: was that one our lips are sealed. A lot of
Speaker 2: people thought it was Albert the Seal. It was a
Speaker 2: like a kid's story or something. Anyway, there's a million
Speaker 2: of them. My son lived in London, says Steve, and
Speaker 2: met Robbie Williams in a club. He used to ring
Speaker 2: my son and put him on the VIP list. He
Speaker 2: was a great guy. There you go. That's a big
Speaker 2: touch with greatness. There's a bit on the internet that
Speaker 2: says Ray where ringos saying that they would be lying
Speaker 2: around at someone's house this is the Beatles, and the
Speaker 2: phone would ring and they'd look at each other and
Speaker 2: say it's him, referring to Paul McCartney being a hard
Speaker 2: task master. Interesting, thank you, Ray. John Lennon isn't even
Speaker 2: the second best Beatles, says Greg something my sweet lord,
Speaker 2: while my guitar gently weeps. George Harrison says Greg is
Speaker 2: the Well, he's either the second best or the best
Speaker 2: according to Greg. Hard to disagree with that, but anyway,
Speaker 2: it's all a matter of opinion. Enjoying your show. Paul
Speaker 2: McCartney's been my musical hero for exactly sixty years. What
Speaker 2: a genius and a lovely guy. No one comes close
Speaker 2: to this test. Thank you great to hear you again,
Speaker 2: says Will Tom Scott in the La Express superb on
Speaker 2: the live Jney Mitchell album Live Miles of Ales, and
Speaker 2: he's also recommended a John Coltrane live album for me.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Will and other music Officionado and jazz Lover
Speaker 2: and this one. I share the same birthday as Paul,
Speaker 2: says Sylvia went to see them at the airport in
Speaker 2: the rain with all the hundreds of screaming girls. Had
Speaker 2: my Beatles, boots and hat. Wow, so thrilling. That is
Speaker 2: a memory, Silvia, which I guess at the time you
Speaker 2: probably didn't think too much more about, but in hindsight
Speaker 2: something special part of history. Quarter past two more texts
Speaker 2: have been flowing in as well, which I will get
Speaker 2: to soon if you don't mind. We all know people
Speaker 2: are struggling to find builders of any kind to get
Speaker 2: construction work done. It's not easy. The good ones are
Speaker 2: very busy, as is always the case, but we're being
Speaker 2: told that profit margins have all but disappeared as builders
Speaker 2: are dealing with ongoing supply chain disruptions, material costs, fixed
Speaker 2: price contracts that no longer reflect the realities of the market,
Speaker 2: and the big thing with fixed price contracts obviously is
Speaker 2: that their labor costs are going up as well. According
Speaker 2: to Master Builders Australia, productivity in the industry has fallen
Speaker 2: eighteen percent over the last decade, despite the cost of
Speaker 2: building a home rising by more than forty percent, and
Speaker 2: they want the federal government to unlock that productivity now
Speaker 2: through a whole bunch of suggestions that they're calling bold
Speaker 2: practical reforms that will make a real difference. Well, Anita
Speaker 2: warn is the CEO of Master Builders and she's on
Speaker 2: the line. Anita, thanks for your time.
Speaker 9: Good afternoon, Bill.
Speaker 2: Bold practical reforms now, that's a lot to ask of
Speaker 2: any government. They tend to be very cautious when it
Speaker 2: comes to reinventing the wheel.
Speaker 9: What are they well, I think, first and foremost, it's
Speaker 9: great to hear the Treasurer today at the Press Club
Speaker 9: talk about the fact that he wants to see productivity
Speaker 9: as a cornerstone of their government of this term. So
Speaker 9: that's a good start. We're cognizant of the fact that
Speaker 9: we've got an industry that has been burdened by significant
Speaker 9: increasing in red tape, in time waiting for approvals and
Speaker 9: so forth. That time is money in the building game.
Speaker 9: That means that housing has become more expensive. So from
Speaker 9: our perspective, it's all about governments streamlining processes without necessarily
Speaker 9: adversely impacting quality or safety. We want to see a
Speaker 9: progress in terms of enabling infrastructure so that gets done
Speaker 9: more effectively and more efficiently. We want to see tax
Speaker 9: reforms that actually encourages those businesses that have good business
Speaker 9: practice and at the same time regulators pulling up those
Speaker 9: who are doing the wrong things so we then have
Speaker 9: a level playing fields. So the other types of things
Speaker 9: that we've discussed. We've had a Productivity commission that has
Speaker 9: said that our productivity is in a really bad shape
Speaker 9: and things have got to change for us to be
Speaker 9: able to build for all Australians.
Speaker 2: Whether it's a personal development. And we've seen a couple
Speaker 2: of stories in the newspaper recently. They pop up quite
Speaker 2: regularly actually about people who build homes or renovate homes
Speaker 2: and the neighbors are upset and the councils called in
Speaker 2: and all these problems. But there's also the large scale
Speaker 2: projects as well, where whole suburbs object to various things,
Speaker 2: but the excuse is always well, you know, we want
Speaker 2: to make sure it's done right. But I think what
Speaker 2: you're talking about is yes, of course, but can't we
Speaker 2: speed up the process by which we adjudicate these things?
Speaker 2: What is the hold up? Is it simply people on
Speaker 2: the ground that are able to process this? Is it staff?
Speaker 9: It's staff. It is the laws that make things complex
Speaker 9: rather than streamlined planning approvals where there's a one stop shop,
Speaker 9: for example, for all things to be approved as opposed
Speaker 9: to multiple agencies. You hear stories from our builders that
Speaker 9: they're getting one story from you know, Sydney Water for example,
Speaker 9: but another different story from the road transport in terms
Speaker 9: of creation of new suburbs that are contrary to each other.
Speaker 9: You've got a planning portal that has all sorts of
Speaker 9: problems in it that we know the new Southwalest government
Speaker 9: is trying to fit. We have a lack of staff
Speaker 9: in local council in terms of doing proper property inspections,
Speaker 9: planning and so forth. The list goes on, and everyone
Speaker 9: knows what the problems are, everyone knows what the solutions are.
Speaker 9: What we now need is a concerted effort across the
Speaker 9: country to actually get everyone actually working in sync. That's
Speaker 9: where the problems are. There's no one working in sync, right.
Speaker 2: And I assume a lot of these things you mentioned
Speaker 2: Sydney Water for example, are on the larger scale projects obviously,
Speaker 2: and they're the ones where, let's be honest, interested in
Speaker 2: most because they're going to provide more housing more quickly.
Speaker 9: That's right build. But interestingly enough, it's not just about
Speaker 9: new suburbs. It's also about infield projects as well. We
Speaker 9: know there's a lot of interest in that mindal ring
Speaker 9: with medium density and high density. But to do that,
Speaker 9: you need to ensure that the infrastructure that was there
Speaker 9: for us, say you know, twenty detached homes could actually
Speaker 9: accommodate one hundred units, and so a lot of the
Speaker 9: time there does need to be that critical infrastructure upgrades
Speaker 9: even before the builders can come in and start constructions.
Speaker 9: So there is a lot of components to building and
Speaker 9: building more homes to meet our housing targets. And we
Speaker 9: just need to get this sequencing right because when you've
Speaker 9: got a piece of land that is underutilized or not utilized,
Speaker 9: then that is costing someone money and they in turn
Speaker 9: will then pass it on to the homeowner.
Speaker 2: Now, look, I'm one of many people talking back now
Speaker 2: about small scale projects. We've had plans for a renovation
Speaker 2: sitting on a shelf for years now. I've got my
Speaker 2: own reasons for that. But the point I'm making is
Speaker 2: that building is becoming increasingly difficult and costly. And we've
Speaker 2: got builders, on the one hand saying their margins are shrinking.
Speaker 2: That it's in some cases they're taking on projects that
Speaker 2: are not actually making them any money. They want to
Speaker 2: keep their company and their employees still ticking over until
Speaker 2: they can actually start making a profit on other projects.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, of course, the people who
Speaker 2: are commissioning those projects are finding it increasingly difficult to
Speaker 2: afford them. How can we make those two ends meet?
Speaker 9: Spot on Billo and I think I'm like you, I've
Speaker 9: got plans that have been sitting on a shelf for
Speaker 9: quite some time. I think that the issue is really
Speaker 9: a couple of things. Well, first and foremost, we need
Speaker 9: to have an economy where inflation is kept debaying interest
Speaker 9: rates are low. We're starting to see that slowly happen
Speaker 9: where people can naturally afford it. But if you think
Speaker 9: about it, the building of a detached home or renovations
Speaker 9: is increased by over forty percent in the last five
Speaker 9: years and that's simply unsustainable. And so people are just
Speaker 9: they want to build, but they can't afford to build.
Speaker 9: So the thing we've got to look at is do
Speaker 9: we have enough skilled people to do the work. The
Speaker 9: answer is no, so we're focusing on our apprenticeships, but
Speaker 9: we've said to the government more needs to be done
Speaker 9: around skilled migration for trades in building construction. We're competing
Speaker 9: in an international market and we don't provide priority pathways
Speaker 9: for building construction trades. We also know that the builders
Speaker 9: with fixed price contracts quoting you know, sometimes twelve months
Speaker 9: in advance, and I've seen a skyrocketing in prices. So
Speaker 9: there's got to be a greater meeting of minds between clients,
Speaker 9: between and banks and the builders about what is a
Speaker 9: reasonable price. You know, we encourage builders not to go
Speaker 9: and sign contracts when you know you're going to operate
Speaker 9: at a loss. People have been burnt and that's how
Speaker 9: we get higher in solvencies. But you're right, they want
Speaker 9: to keep the business sticking. Nobox. It's not just about
Speaker 9: the builder, it's the forty odd trades that they support.
Speaker 9: In ongoing building in their.
Speaker 2: Business, and a lot of them are very very small operators,
Speaker 2: in some cases sole traders of course, and trying to
Speaker 2: feed a family week to week. Now, just quickly before
Speaker 2: you go, Danita, if you don't mind, the federal government
Speaker 2: is now free to crack down on the CFMEU after
Speaker 2: this High Court challenge, a constitutional challenge was dismissed this morning.
Speaker 2: That announcement was made by Chief Justice Stephen Gagler. All
Speaker 2: six grounds of the challenge rejected. How does the master
Speaker 2: builders greet that information? And does it make it better
Speaker 2: for Mark Irving the administrator to get things done?
Speaker 9: Yeah, Billo, I was in the High Court itself this
Speaker 9: morning to hear that decision handed down.
Speaker 8: It was a relief.
Speaker 9: To be honest, the industry has needed certainty. The High
Speaker 9: Court action has meant that there's been a lot of
Speaker 9: hesitancy by people to come forward because they weren't quite
Speaker 9: sure whether to support the administrator or support the executives
Speaker 9: in exile. That puts us to that we can now
Speaker 9: all get focused on cleaning up the union. But I
Speaker 9: think more importantly for us is that we're seeing from
Speaker 9: the evidence that's come out of the work that Mark
Speaker 9: has undertaken as administrator is there are some bad actors
Speaker 9: in our sector, whether they are unions or people that
Speaker 9: own businesses in the industry. Enough is enough. We've got
Speaker 9: to clean up our actors and industry and ensure that
Speaker 9: everyone is undertaking things lawfully. And this gives us the opportunity.
Speaker 9: It's a historic moment today.
Speaker 2: Well said, and thank you very much for your time today,
Speaker 2: Anita Warn pleasure.
Speaker 9: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Anita's the CEO of the Master Builders Australia. We'll be
Speaker 2: right back twenty eight past two ge times running out
Speaker 2: on this half hour. We've got a lot to do,
Speaker 2: including say healeo out to this blog from.
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Speaker 15: Spend a lot of mok you Bill.
Speaker 2: Well, I knew you were on but you didn't know
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Speaker 2: we had fifteen hundred go off with Mark Levy's show. Clinton,
Speaker 2: I'm sure is aiming for the big two thy five hundred.
Speaker 2: What else are you doing though this afternoon. Well, I've
Speaker 2: spent a.
Speaker 15: Lot of time in the last couple of months, actually
Speaker 15: the last year, but everyone else has jumped on board
Speaker 15: about in the medium the last couple of months about
Speaker 15: the way e bikes, particularly the fat Boy bikes so
Speaker 15: I think are being misused across Sydney. There's no registration
Speaker 15: system for them. Those who are riding, often teenagers, don't
Speaker 15: have any insurance. There's no licensing. Well this has caught
Speaker 15: my attention courtesy of the Mid North Coast News and
Speaker 15: it does follow on from my concerns about the e bikes.
Speaker 15: Ronald John Middlebrook has appeared in court. He has been
Speaker 15: accused of riding his mower. He has a ride on
Speaker 15: lawmower through the center of tar REI while eating a burger.
Speaker 15: He was He was eating a Hungry Jack's burger while
Speaker 15: he was going around the roundabout can Gara Drive in Tarree.
Speaker 15: A couple of weeks ago, now police observed a sixty
Speaker 15: three year old man allegedly driving a right on lawmower
Speaker 15: and carrying a takeaway meal. It is alleged he did
Speaker 15: not have the destration plates which are required for vehicles
Speaker 15: exceeding four hundred kilogram. So mister Middlebrook has appeared in
Speaker 15: court where he has defended himself. He had not had
Speaker 15: an active license since nineteen eighty six. That's a car license,
Speaker 15: not a MOA license. Yes, So he was questioned about
Speaker 15: the hungry Jacks whoppup that was in his hands at
Speaker 15: the time. There was a fear that maybe he'd gone
Speaker 15: through the drive through on the right on Moa. Anyway,
Speaker 15: Well know, his lawyers told the court that often he
Speaker 15: mowed his neighbor's lawns, and he mode his neighbour's lawns out.
Speaker 2: Of the goodness of his heart.
Speaker 15: He didn't charge for it, and in return for mowing
Speaker 15: the lawn, his friend bought him the burger. So he
Speaker 15: obviously need to get home on the ride on, so
Speaker 15: that he's to quote he made the unfortunate decision to
Speaker 15: go onto the road end of the road round about
Speaker 15: to get home. The charges has been dismissed.
Speaker 2: Ah, isn't that nice? Good old Tari common sense prevails.
Speaker 2: I don't think the same could be said for some
Speaker 2: of the fat boy riders. Nevertheless, I wonder if he
Speaker 2: we had the undercarriage down on that MA might have
Speaker 2: made a bit of noise. Name he would have lifted
Speaker 2: it up well.
Speaker 15: In the state of some of the roundabouts, and I
Speaker 15: was Intaria a couple of weeks ago for the floods,
Speaker 15: some of them ra over grown, so the council I
Speaker 15: think would have appreciated him going over the top of
Speaker 15: the round.
Speaker 2: That would have actually, mo while you're there, Hey, let's
Speaker 2: do the wheel thing we have. Clinton, stay with us
Speaker 2: please because you can be part of the momentous occasion.
Speaker 2: As Scott from Como joins us on the line today.
Speaker 5: Scott, Hi, Bill, Hi Clinton, Scott.
Speaker 2: Congratulations, mate, you win something. So let's just hold our
Speaker 2: breath and get ready as I give it a big spin.
Speaker 2: We're we're going clockwise, mat I hope you're okay with that.
Speaker 5: Oh mate?
Speaker 9: Anyway, all right, here we go.
Speaker 16: Pick the right one.
Speaker 2: It's spinning, it's spinning, it's clicking. I feel like I'm
Speaker 2: on the Don Lane show back in the day. Remember
Speaker 2: that the wheel with the car giveaway that stopped on.
Speaker 14: Oh you got it?
Speaker 2: Two and a half thousand, two and a half thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: I've come in here once and I've nailed it. What
Speaker 2: am I going to do tomorrow?
Speaker 6: Scott?
Speaker 5: You Bill?
Speaker 16: You got a magic touch though.
Speaker 2: Mate, Yeah, my wife doesn't say that, but still it's
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Speaker 16: Well, that is fantastic, thanks to Yeah.
Speaker 2: Stay on the line made of course, stay on the line, because, gee, Clinton,
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Speaker 14: Well.
Speaker 15: We gave away fifteen hundred dollars on the program yesterday
Speaker 15: and we thought we were doing really well. You've just
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Speaker 2: That'll buy a couple of leaders of petrol. It's fantastic.
Speaker 15: There's some great prizes on that board as well.
Speaker 3: Mate.
Speaker 2: I'm so happy for you, Scott. Thank you. Clinton's got
Speaker 2: his blues cap on by how much tonight? Look I'll
Speaker 2: say eight, I'll say eight, but I live.
Speaker 15: It's just given all the controversy the past twenty four
Speaker 15: hours andislator's apology, it just shapes up perfectly for one.
Speaker 2: Of those morons ambushes, doesn't doesn't really does Yeah anyway,
Speaker 2: Clinton Maynard Sydney now coming up very very soon. Thanks
Speaker 2: mate for dropping in. And hey, Scott, Scott has done
Speaker 2: it two and a half thousand dollars. I'm ecstatic. It's
Speaker 2: twenty seven to three and good afternoon, Air and Mark,
Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Bill.
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Speaker 1: A finance update for Pretzel Wealth and finance for Trusted
Speaker 1: Financial Planning just Google Blake went to Pretzel Well.
Speaker 2: Scott from Como is feeling pretty good about the finance
Speaker 2: at the moment. We're having won two and a half
Speaker 2: thousand dollars on our winter wheel. But Scott Phillips from
Speaker 2: the mightleyfool fool dot com dot au Telco Giant Optus
Speaker 2: Scotty facing a massive one hundred million dollar fine. What's
Speaker 2: all that about?
Speaker 3: Well, good afternoon, mate, that's one two and a half groad.
Speaker 3: I thought I was in for.
Speaker 2: A secondary wrong, Scott.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Fortunately, one hundred millions three a lot of money.
Speaker 3: Hundred million dollars is to fine for. I'm just engaging
Speaker 3: in what they're calling unconsctionable conduct. Now Telco and the
Speaker 3: atribill See have agreed on this penalty. Basically they opted
Speaker 3: salespeople sold mobile phones and mobile phone plans to people
Speaker 3: who simply wasn't suitable for a lot of people in
Speaker 3: First Nations and Indigenous communities as well, basically saying, you know,
Speaker 3: you dragging people into the sourcing you need this thing,
Speaker 3: to people who couldn't afford them, even people whose home
Speaker 3: address didn't have Optus reception. And I were still selling
Speaker 3: these things more than four hundred customers at sixteen different
Speaker 3: stores across the country in the four years from August
Speaker 3: twenty nineteen and July twenty twenty three when their sword
Speaker 3: come out to look, they're really sorry that said's inexcusable
Speaker 3: and unacceptable. It absolutely is. Yea one hundred miniy dollars
Speaker 3: likely with the penalty. Now the federal court decides in
Speaker 3: the actual penalty. Regulator and the telco both say have
Speaker 3: we think a hundred million is reasonable, so probably we'll
Speaker 3: get we waved through. But yeah, a reminder of what
Speaker 3: can happen sometimes and how a little overzealous or a
Speaker 3: lot overzealz some salespeople can be. In this case, Optics
Speaker 3: has had to pay up.
Speaker 2: It's a big slab of money, even for a big
Speaker 2: company like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got to say some of the penalties recently
Speaker 3: for other things one hundred dollars should have hopefully focus
Speaker 3: some minds, not only Optice, but other places around the
Speaker 3: country might be otherwise tend to engage in this sort
Speaker 3: of stuff. If it ends up with, you know, focusing
Speaker 3: some minds, that'd be a wonderful thing. I think corpor Australia.
Speaker 2: Very good point, very good point. What's happening on the
Speaker 2: local markets, mate and the dollar.
Speaker 3: And rough down on the market. Unfortunately we had a
Speaker 3: rough morning. We got back into positive territory after lunch.
Speaker 3: We've just sunk back under that even mark. We're down
Speaker 3: a tenth of a percent eighty seven hundred and sixty
Speaker 3: three points for the all ordinaries as we speak. The
Speaker 3: Ausy dollar, meanwhile, has had to do a buppy couple
Speaker 3: of days. It was up and down, it's down again
Speaker 3: now back under sixty five cents, off by six tenths
Speaker 3: to eight percent to sixty four point nine to five US.
Speaker 2: That's Scott Phillips from fool dot com dot you, thank
Speaker 2: you so much, pleasure.
Speaker 3: Thanks Bill.
Speaker 2: It's twenty four to three coming up. We'll have track
Speaker 2: of the day. By the way, so I've you missed
Speaker 2: out on the two and a half grand wind fall
Speaker 2: that Scott won from Como in Sydney in the winter wheel.
Speaker 2: You've got track of the day coming up. One hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty dollars be store voucher. If you can manage
Speaker 2: to win that one, not too difficult. I'll give you
Speaker 2: the tip first caller in. That's coming up a little
Speaker 2: later on, but we'll talk after the break about the
Speaker 2: old Harbor bridge. The coat hanger looking a bit rusty,
Speaker 2: Not that there's anything wrong with that. I'm sure they'll
Speaker 2: fix it up pretty soon, but I thought it might
Speaker 2: be an idea to catch up with an expert who's
Speaker 2: involved in all this as to how they do it
Speaker 2: and how difficult it is these days nineteen to three.
Speaker 2: And Sydney, of course has so many wonderful landmarks. The
Speaker 2: world knows us Four Opera House, Darling Harbor, Bondi Royal
Speaker 2: Botanical Gardens. But then there's the coat hanger. When you
Speaker 2: see it in real life, it's not hard to marvel
Speaker 2: at what an engineering feet it is, all those rivets,
Speaker 2: and they're big too. And I was sitting in traffic
Speaker 2: today in the morning, having been called in to help
Speaker 2: out and fill in for Michael today, and I had
Speaker 2: to look up and I saw a few rust patches
Speaker 2: on the old bridge. It's a bit like looking at
Speaker 2: your own home. You feel very possessive of the Harbor Bridge.
Speaker 2: I felt like jumping out with a bit of steel
Speaker 2: wool and stripping it back and putting a coat of
Speaker 2: paint on it. But I thought, well, there's someone else's
Speaker 2: probably paid to do that, and I don't want to
Speaker 2: take their job. Four hundred and eighty five thousand square
Speaker 2: meters of steel work though. That's another thing that might
Speaker 2: put off the average home handy person at sixty football
Speaker 2: fields by the way of metal, exposed metal. And it's
Speaker 2: pretty complicated too, As my old man would say, if
Speaker 2: we're doing a building job or laying carpet together, that's
Speaker 2: a bugger of a job anyway. Matthew Wilson's executive director
Speaker 2: of Road Maintenance Partnerships to Transport for New South Wales.
Speaker 2: He's on the line. Thanks for joining us, Matthew.
Speaker 16: Good Abelle, how are you well?
Speaker 2: Thank you? Nineteen thirty two. That's how on the bridge
Speaker 2: has been up for. But of course a lot of
Speaker 2: that longevity is due to the maintenance of the steel structure.
Speaker 2: I guess it was always a very important part of
Speaker 2: the planning and maintenance of this incredible construction.
Speaker 16: It absolutely was. And the better you maintain something, the
Speaker 16: longer it lasts. As you say, it's so different to
Speaker 16: your house. You look after it, it'll last you a
Speaker 16: long time. But coming up to that one hundred year
Speaker 16: anniversary now, but we're aiming for another hundred years post
Speaker 16: that as well.
Speaker 2: What was involved in the early days of keeping it maintained.
Speaker 2: I think we're all familiar with the fact that people
Speaker 2: for many years have been rostered on and shifted to
Speaker 2: get on there, strip back the metal and treat it
Speaker 2: and paint it. But how often has that taken place
Speaker 2: and how has that process evolved over the years as
Speaker 2: technology changes.
Speaker 16: The biggest changes really are in the safety aspects of
Speaker 16: how we do it. The general methodology of how we
Speaker 16: paint the bridge hasn't hugely changed, you know, removing some
Speaker 16: of the old paint. Now we've felt much more modern
Speaker 16: equipment that helps us to get the paint off a
Speaker 16: little bit quicker, so that we can get the painting
Speaker 16: done a bit quicker. But the principle of how we
Speaker 16: apply the paint hasn't really changed. The safety elements that
Speaker 16: go with it have hugely changed over the years. We
Speaker 16: will have all seen the pictures of Crocodile Dundee on
Speaker 16: top of the bridge with his paint brush and bucket
Speaker 16: and just stood on the top with those safety rails,
Speaker 16: safety harnesses, nothing, just walking around painting. We definitely don't
Speaker 16: do that anymore. As you say, you've seen the scaffolding
Speaker 16: that we've got up at the moment. We provide a
Speaker 16: safe work space for our guys and they love those
Speaker 16: workplaces too. You know, imagine the view every time you
Speaker 16: come out of your workplace is from the top of
Speaker 16: the Harbor Bridge. What better office could you have?
Speaker 2: Well, I'm marvel. I'm sure anyone does when they see
Speaker 2: large scale road building projects as we see around Sydney
Speaker 2: at the moment. You've got that big overpass on the
Speaker 2: seven that's been slightly put together like a big lego construction.
Speaker 2: You've got what's happening north of the bridge at the moment.
Speaker 2: That's incredible. Managing all of that, but even managing your scaffolding,
Speaker 2: as you say, on the Harbor Bridge, getting that up
Speaker 2: into place. How you do it? When you do it,
Speaker 2: it would take a lot of organization, I'd imagine.
Speaker 16: Well, in total, you know, to maintain the bridge, we've
Speaker 16: got one hundred and twenty full time people, from engineers
Speaker 16: who plan and design the scaffold through to the guys
Speaker 16: that are painting and doing the electrical work and things.
Speaker 16: So you know, it's a big team unit that it
Speaker 16: has to maintain the bridge. It's incredibly complex. We try
Speaker 16: and minimize the impact we have on the traffic on
Speaker 16: the bridge underneath. Obviously we can't lift scaffolding up whilst
Speaker 16: traffic is moving underneath. But we try and minimize the
Speaker 16: number of lane closures we need. We build the scaffolding
Speaker 16: overnight so that it impacts fewer people. So we're generally
Speaker 16: trying to do as much maintenance as possible whilst causing
Speaker 16: as little disruption to people as we can.
Speaker 2: Is it still true the old story that one you've
Speaker 2: completed one length of the bridge in terms of maintenance,
Speaker 2: you have to go back and start again.
Speaker 16: The principle is kind of true, but we don't literally
Speaker 16: start at one end and work to the other. Now
Speaker 16: we focus on the areas that need that the most.
Speaker 16: But it is, you know, there's never a point where
Speaker 16: we can stop painting, because by the time you've done
Speaker 16: the last bit that needs it, you've backed the bit
Speaker 16: that you did thirty years ago that now needs it again.
Speaker 16: So there's the cycle does just continue. We just don't
Speaker 16: do it in that linear fashion. And the arch is
Speaker 16: where we're focusing a lot of our efforts now as
Speaker 16: we come up to that one hundred year anniversary. So
Speaker 16: out of about nearly half million square meters, we've got one
Speaker 16: hundred and fifty thousand square meters of the arch we
Speaker 16: need to paint before the centenary in twenty thirty two,
Speaker 16: and that's the bit we'll focus. That's why you're seeing
Speaker 16: the scaffolding now because that arch hasn't really had any
Speaker 16: painting done on it since the nineteen nineties, so it's
Speaker 16: well overdue and painting and we're really looking forward to
Speaker 16: giving her a new lease of life as we paint
Speaker 16: that arch.
Speaker 2: I mean, we've all stripped back, or most of us anyway,
Speaker 2: who like that sort of thing, stripped back metal furniture
Speaker 2: and things like that. But I guess there's got to
Speaker 2: be some improved tools and technology to make that a
Speaker 2: bit quicker than just doing it by hand. And do
Speaker 2: you use brush or roller?
Speaker 16: So for the removing the paint, we tend to use
Speaker 16: garmt blasting, so that's the majority of how we remove paint.
Speaker 16: We do also literally have hand tools, though for some
Speaker 16: of the more intricate areas where we need to remove it. Yeah,
Speaker 16: reapplying the paint, it is literally paint brushes, paint rollers,
Speaker 16: and spray guns. So depending on the air area that
Speaker 16: we use, it's either paint brush and roller or like
Speaker 16: when guys paint their cars, it's kind of a spray
Speaker 16: gun that puts that on that Every square meter needs
Speaker 16: four coats of paint to it as well, And.
Speaker 2: I guess you have to make sure that you treat
Speaker 2: the rust while it's surface rust, and of course doesn't
Speaker 2: get more corrosive and therefore weakening any of the parts.
Speaker 16: Exactly, we never let anything get beyond surface rust, so
Speaker 16: as soon as we know, that's why we prioritize on
Speaker 16: the areas that need it most. Once we've got that
Speaker 16: surface for us, we need to treat that. So we
Speaker 16: get it treated, get it all painted, and she looks
Speaker 16: shiny and new.
Speaker 2: Again, notwithstanding the scaffolding. Matthew, you're still working pretty high up.
Speaker 2: I guess it takes a certain kind of person to
Speaker 2: get into that sort of job.
Speaker 16: You need a head for heights, that's for sure. You
Speaker 16: know it's about one hundred and thirty two meters at
Speaker 16: the highest point, but you know when you asked at
Speaker 16: the top. Even looking down on the road deck, you
Speaker 16: really get a sense of how high it is. And
Speaker 16: it feels like a lot more than one hundred meters
Speaker 16: when you're looking down.
Speaker 2: But it's a nice view.
Speaker 16: Oh, it's best office sensed me.
Speaker 2: I have done the bridge climb a long time ago,
Speaker 2: and it is quite amazing how high it is. And
Speaker 2: of course that's all done very safely and conveniently. It's
Speaker 2: it's a terrific experience. I recommend it to anyone, but
Speaker 2: I suppose if you're working up there it would be
Speaker 2: a bit of a distraction. Sometimes you might have to
Speaker 2: do you put them on a time, a strict schedule,
Speaker 2: so they don't sort of hang around and just enjoy
Speaker 2: the view.
Speaker 16: We have guys who have been working there for decades
Speaker 16: and they have still never got bored of a view
Speaker 16: that they get from their work site. And the other
Speaker 16: positive is, you know everyone gets their steps.
Speaker 6: In every day.
Speaker 16: When you work on the Harbor Bridge. There's a lot
Speaker 16: of steps to walk up.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's true. Hey, no one ever back in the
Speaker 2: old days. I heard rumors and I only moved to
Speaker 2: Sydney when I was in the twenties. So apparently UNI
Speaker 2: students and furious other people used to sneakily climb the
Speaker 2: bridge in the old days. That can't happen these days, Kenneth,
Speaker 2: it's all very more secure.
Speaker 16: It's a lot more secure these days. We have a
Speaker 16: lot of cameras on the bridge obviously, you know there's
Speaker 16: a lot of risk in just randomly climbing a bridge
Speaker 16: or any other structure. So yeah, we watch very closely
Speaker 16: for those kind of events and deal with them as
Speaker 16: of when they happen, but it is very very infrequent
Speaker 16: these days.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure you guys will keep doing a great
Speaker 2: job in making the Code Hangar look as good as
Speaker 2: she possibly could be, particularly as you say, for that
Speaker 2: one hundredth anniversary, Matthew Wilson, thank you very much for
Speaker 2: sharing that with us. We know she's in safe hands.
Speaker 2: Thanks very much, Bill, Matthew Wilson, Executive Director of Road
Speaker 2: Maintenance Partnerships at Transport for New South Wales. We're going
Speaker 2: to give away a little more money actually, well it's
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Speaker 2: reckons Blues by nine. It's not rugby union. Why would
Speaker 2: they be up by eight and kick a field goal?
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Speaker 2: all I'm saying. But anyway, have a great State of
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Speaker 2: we'll be back tomorrow. Bye for now.