WEBVTT - 2GB Afternoons - Wednesday, June 18th 0:00:00.840 --> 0:00:05.920 On two GB and Network stations. This is Afternoons with 0:00:06.080 --> 0:00:09.080 Bill Woods filling in from Michael McLaren. 0:00:16.040 --> 0:00:19.000 Yes, good afternoon. It's great to be back on AA 0:00:19.120 --> 0:00:20.959 talking to you, and thank you very much for having me. 0:00:21.000 --> 0:00:24.599 I hope you'll enjoy the program this afternoon. Apologies for Michael. 0:00:24.640 --> 0:00:27.600 He has urgent family matters to attend to. He's quite 0:00:27.840 --> 0:00:31.880 okay if you're wondering about that. He's well, but he'll 0:00:31.920 --> 0:00:35.120 be away just for today and tomorrow's program, so I'll 0:00:35.159 --> 0:00:36.640 be filling in to help him out there and he'll 0:00:36.640 --> 0:00:40.400 be back on Friday. But it'll be all as usual today, 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:43.360 including the giveaways and the news and everything that's coming 0:00:44.240 --> 0:00:47.199 across the desk. We'll bring it to you as it 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:50.440 happens this afternoon. And there are a few things ongoing, 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:53.760 of course internationally. We'll keep an eye on what's happening 0:00:54.520 --> 0:00:57.280 in Tehran, the conflict in the Middle East. We've also 0:00:57.400 --> 0:01:00.800 got the summation of the defect NaN's Council and the 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:05.200 Mushroom murder case, and a few other bits and pieces 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:08.200 of information, including a very interesting High Court ruling that 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:10.400 came out this morning, which I'll give you more detail 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:13.520 on in just to tick. But what's on the show. Well, 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:16.800 we'll talk soon in the next twenty minutes or so 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:20.199 to Robin Ironside, who's an aviation rider from the Australian, 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:23.680 about what does make a good airline? Because they had 0:01:23.840 --> 0:01:26.360 again the annual I guess you could call it the 0:01:26.400 --> 0:01:30.600 aviation industry's version of the OSCARS. It's the aviation awards 0:01:30.720 --> 0:01:34.920 run by Skytracks and a lot of airlines pin a 0:01:34.959 --> 0:01:38.440 lot of business on this and once again Katar Airways 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:41.200 has finished on top. Now I believe they get quite 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:43.640 a bit of subsidy in their part of the world. 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:46.600 Not airlines are on the same playing field. Not a 0:01:46.640 --> 0:01:49.680 probably good metaphor there when you're talking about aviation, but anyway, 0:01:49.680 --> 0:01:52.200 I think you know where I'm coming from. Singapore Airlines 0:01:52.240 --> 0:01:55.520 came second, Cathay Pacific third, Coititus jumped up the leaderboard 0:01:56.480 --> 0:01:59.360 in fourteenth place, but they were twenty fourth. But there 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:03.320 are other categories two where the air lines are judged, 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:05.160 and Quite has did very very well in a couple 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:07.720 of those. We'll talk a bit more with that with 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:10.679 Robert Einside about that and also what you think makes 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:13.240 a good airline, what you're looking for. I think actually 0:02:13.320 --> 0:02:16.240 getting there safely is by a long stretch. Number one. 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:18.760 I think we're all agreed on that, especially given events 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:22.760 of the past week or so in India particularly. That's 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:24.840 the priority. But what are the other things that you 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:27.480 are concerned about as an ear traveler? One three one 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:30.040 eight seven three, zero four six zero eight seven three 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:32.600 eight seven three on the text line, Now here's an 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:36.480 interesting one. Dave will Go Wilkins, who you might know 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:41.440 is the gig guide man for the John Stanley Show 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:44.960 on Thursday nights and Fridays in the non footy playing season. 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:48.560 He'll be talking about a person who he idolizes. That 0:02:48.680 --> 0:02:51.240 is Paul McCartney. It's his eighty third birthday today. Not 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:53.840 will Go, but Paul McCartney. And we'll have a good 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:56.080 chat with Wilko, who knows his stuff. He's an accomplished 0:02:56.120 --> 0:02:59.560 musician with a great pedigree, and he'll explain why he 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:01.600 loves all McCartney. But we'd love to hear from you 0:03:01.639 --> 0:03:04.480 as well. One through one eight seven three or zero 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:06.839 four six zero eight seven three eight seven three. That'll 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:09.560 be coming up after one o'clock this afternoon. We'll talk 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:11.680 to will Gone. We'd love to hear your stories about 0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:13.880 whether you went to the McCartney concert, whether you are 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:16.720 a McCartney or a Lenin person. It's a bit like 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:18.480 being a dog or a cat person, isn't it. There 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:21.280 are Lenin and McCartney people, and there are others who 0:03:21.320 --> 0:03:22.839 are happy to sit on the fence, and there's nothing 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:25.080 wrong with that. And where does he sit in the 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:28.360 pantheon of music writers? Some say one of the greatest 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:31.560 of all time? That's interesting. How far back do you 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:35.040 want to go? You've got guy called Gershwin who was 0:03:35.040 --> 0:03:37.920 pretty good back in his day, and many many others. 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:40.480 These things are argued about all the time, but let 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:42.520 us know, it's really about what you like. That's what 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:45.000 it's all about. So we'll talk about that, the legacy 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:47.360 of McCartney, and we've got some pretty We've got an 0:03:47.400 --> 0:03:51.680 interesting story for you about one of our management members. 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:55.200 I won't say any more than that, she's a manager 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:58.840 here at this radio station, has a great McCartney story, 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:01.880 which does lead me to think, you know, what, have 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:03.720 you ever met any of the Beatles? What is your 0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:05.600 brush with fame when it comes to these things? Her 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:09.040 story is quite unusual, and I think we're all very 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:11.839 envious when I tell you that story. A little later on, 0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:14.400 Blake went All joined us from Pretzel Wealth. This is 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:20.279 a regular Michael segment. We'll also have Chuck's footy tips. 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:23.159 He's not here today in person, but I will pass 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:25.880 his tips on to you and for what it's worth, 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:29.440 give my thoughts on it. Anita Warren will join us. 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:33.320 She's the CEO of Master Builders Australia and they're calling 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:37.320 on the federal government again to try and unlock productivity. 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:40.040 They think they're going to make some gains and they 0:04:40.080 --> 0:04:43.320 have some very bold plans. Now I'm trying to think 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:46.760 of the last time any government actually initiated a bold plan. 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:51.320 They tend to be rather conservative when it comes to 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:55.080 these things low risk. But we'll see what Anita WARN's 0:04:55.080 --> 0:04:57.120 got in mind and how successful she thinks she might 0:04:57.200 --> 0:05:02.600 be because we're really spinning wheels comes to the housing situation. 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:05.440 On that subject, we'll have the Winter Wheel, up to 0:05:05.480 --> 0:05:08.719 twenty five hundred dollars cash in prizes, and a whole 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:10.719 bunch of other cool things. I think in Mark Show 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:13.400 they gave away fifteen hundred dollars. Am I right, Joel? Yes, 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:16.479 So that's fantastic. Hopefully we'll be able to do that 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:18.680 for you in the last hour of the program, and 0:05:18.720 --> 0:05:20.320 we'll also have our track of the day, which is 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:23.200 a regular Michael thing. Incidentally, that's one hundred and fifty 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:25.960 dollar vouta from the B store. So we'll get you 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:29.159 in there and we'll talk to Matthew Wilson, who's the 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:33.440 executive director of Road Maintenance Partnerships of Transport New South Wales. 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:37.159 Why I'm glad you asked. I was driving across the 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:40.800 Harbor Bridge this morning on my way to help out 0:05:40.800 --> 0:05:43.599 here and fill in for Michael, and I noticed quite 0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:45.719 a few rust patches on the old bridge and it 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:50.159 just got me thinking, how do they maintain the bridge? 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:52.040 I mean, we've had these stories from time to time. 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:54.800 We know there are maintenance schedules, et cetera. But traffic's 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:59.120 getting busier, peak hours getting longer. Is it more difficult? 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:01.599 Do they have more technology these days to make it 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:03.640 easier to maintain the bridge. It's a big lump of 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:06.560 steel over salt water and I saw a lot of 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:08.679 RUSS patches, so they must be due for a repaint 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:12.279 pretty soon. How do they do that safely? And how 0:06:12.279 --> 0:06:15.800 difficult is it to maintain the old coat hanger. Over 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:18.960 many years, we've got a second tunnel on the way 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:22.280 which will relieve the burden of the traffic on the 0:06:22.279 --> 0:06:25.000 Harbor Bridge. But it is one of the most iconic 0:06:25.040 --> 0:06:28.480 bridges in the world. It's a symbol of Australia and 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:31.240 I thought we might just catch up if you've not 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:34.240 thought about it recently. I certainly was today when I 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:36.839 crossed the Harbor Bridge. How do we keep it in shape? 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:39.160 So let us know what your thoughts are one three, 0:06:39.200 --> 0:06:41.040 one eight seven three on anything we talk about or 0:06:41.040 --> 0:06:43.560 anything you're thinking about too. We're happy to hear it 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:46.480 or zero four six, zero eight seven three eight seven three. 0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:49.000 Text are coming through and calls already. Thank you, and 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:52.200 we'll talk very soon to Robin eInsight about these aviation awards. 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:54.040 But also I'll give you an update on that High 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:59.680 Court decision very shortly twenty past midday. Thank you for 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:02.920 the kind words, Dave and a few other people. I'm 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:09.120 definitely in the McCartney camp. There's another Dave because he 0:07:09.240 --> 0:07:13.080 shares the surname. Good on your Dave. Of course you 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:15.880 are now Greg. Whenever I see RUSS patches on the 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:20.280 Harbor Bridge, I automatically think of offshore windmills. Yes, that 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:22.120 was one thing that came to mind, Greg when I 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:23.920 was hearing about all that. Do we really need them 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:25.960 off shore? There's plenty of other places to put them 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:28.680 rather than over the salt water. 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:29.520 Yeah. 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:31.680 That made me one to two Greg when all that 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:33.640 came up, and that debate will be continuing for a 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:37.520 long time yet. Now quick call from SIEV. I think 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:40.800 on airlines, we're talking to Robin einside if you've just 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:43.640 tuned in about what makes a good airline, because I've 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:46.480 had these Skytracks awards and Katar Airways has come out 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:48.400 on top. Thoughts on that, Siev. 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:54.280 Here you go, Bill, I think the way you get 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:56.160 served when you're at the back of the plane where 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:58.560 most people are, and what the way you get treated 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:00.960 when you're there, and the leg room that you have, 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:02.520 if you have any leg room at the back of 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:04.679 the plane. Although I think you've got this economent premium 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:06.200 now they're supposed to deal with some of that, but 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:10.240 I think just the way things are there. And I 0:08:10.280 --> 0:08:13.480 guess airline food, if you could really judge an airline 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:15.440 on airline food, if it doesn't taste the same as 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:16.560 every other airline. 0:08:16.960 --> 0:08:19.080 That's a good point, lowest common denominator. 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:23.000 Yeah, I just think it's basic stuff. 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:26.520 Yeah, most of us will experience an airline in that 0:08:26.640 --> 0:08:29.000 part of the plane, You're right, and at that level 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:32.240 of service. So that's probably where it needs to start. 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:35.200 And yeah, you can do all the fancy stuff up 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:37.959 the front with all those people whenever, you know, but 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:40.520 the vast majority of people will experience an airline in 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:44.160 that way. Good point, SIEV. Thanks for your call, mate, 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:47.680 appreciate it. Here's this news from the High Court this morning. 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:50.960 In case you are following this, it is quite relevant. 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:53.960 The federal government is now free to crack down even 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:58.160 further on the trouble CFMEU. The High Court has dismissed 0:08:58.280 --> 0:09:01.840 this constitutional challenge from the outst CFMEU officials who are 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:05.559 trying to overturn the administration that was applied to the union. 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:08.880 This is a judgment delivered by Chief Justice Stephen Gagler. 0:09:09.480 --> 0:09:13.040 All six grounds of the challenge have been rejected, including 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:17.000 claims that the laws infringe the implied freedom of political communication. 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:20.640 Freedom of political communication, that's not something I would have 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:25.439 associated with the former administration of the c FMEU anyway. 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:27.920 The federal government stepped in last August, as you might know, 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:31.839 and the troubled union has been infiltrated by bikies and 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:34.839 organized crime groups, and there were broader concerns of other 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:37.599 criminalized behavior. Well, the ruling paves the way now for 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:41.760 the Administrator, Mark Irving case to continue his clamp down 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:45.160 on the union, and it will, perhaps they say, embolden 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:47.640 other people in the construction industry to come forward with 0:09:47.679 --> 0:09:51.679 more allegations of any corruption or misconduct. I quote now 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:55.520 from the Administrator, Mark Irving, who says the decision provides 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:58.320 clarity and it paves the way for the greater systemic 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:02.200 reforms necessary for the union and across the industry. Along 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:05.960 with the CFMEU, employers, regulators and governments all have a 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:09.199 role to play in rooting out malignant and violent actors 0:10:09.559 --> 0:10:12.880 from the construction sector. This is just another but not 0:10:12.960 --> 0:10:16.760 unimportant part of the puzzle of getting our housing and 0:10:16.840 --> 0:10:19.319 construction back on track. We'll be talking to the master 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:22.640 builders a little later, not specifically about this ruling, but 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:24.960 they would be pretty pleased about it. I would imagine 0:10:25.720 --> 0:10:28.760 this administration, according to Mark Irving, is committed to returning 0:10:28.840 --> 0:10:32.000 the union to the membership as a strong, democratic member 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:35.800 controlled union enduringly free of corruption and criminal influence as 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:39.360 soon as possible. That's the official statement, and this from 0:10:39.400 --> 0:10:43.360 the Workplace Relations Minister Amanda Rishworth, who also commented today 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:46.240 on the High Court ruling. We need to focus on 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:49.720 shifting the culture in the construction industry and ensure the 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:53.480 bad actors we have seen infiltrating this sector are kept out. 0:10:53.840 --> 0:10:57.840 Construction workers deserve a union free from criminality, corruption and violence. 0:10:58.160 --> 0:11:00.480 The administrator and his team can now move forward with 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:03.720 confidence and continue their essential work in cleaning up the 0:11:03.720 --> 0:11:08.880 Construction and General division of the CFME EU. Interesting. Well, 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:11.080 we've all heard stories, haven't we. Let's see how the 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:15.800 administration goes and what success they have. And of course 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:20.640 we all know that the incumbent federal government is inextricably 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:24.160 bound to the trade union movement. But of course I 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:26.680 think it's in their interests as much as anybody that 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:29.080 it's clean, above board and doing what was always meant 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:33.000 to do. Now, very soon we'll be talking to Robin einside. 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:35.480 Let us know your stories of your favorite airlines or 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:38.839 why what makes an airline successful? And I think Frank 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:40.200 is on the line with another one. 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:48.280 Hello, Frank, Hey, Yeah, I went to Osaka last year 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:52.760 in November. I flew Look, I did fly business class 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:57.080 with Cafe Pacific, but they had the best deal. I 0:11:57.080 --> 0:12:00.120 mean it was quite a lot cheaper than what you 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:04.960 could properly get these days. But the service, the everything 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:07.400 was just suburb interesting. 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:09.120 I hear a lot of people talking. 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:10.360 I couldn't fault them. 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:13.720 Yeah, and they did rate very highly. They actually came 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:19.120 in third behind Katar and Singapore and the overall Skytrack's rankings. 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:23.360 Do you specifically target a certain airline, Frank, or do 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:24.920 you just go for the best deal. I mean, we've 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:27.040 got all those websites now where you can shop around 0:12:27.080 --> 0:12:29.719 for the cheapest fares, and there are all kinds of. 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:32.679 And I used to work in the UK and i'd 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:35.520 fly over once a year, and yeah, you'd have to 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:39.800 get the best deal because you know, and normally i'd 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:42.880 fly economy, but i'd sport myself because I had a 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:45.760 new first time granddad. 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:47.440 So yeah, good for you. 0:12:47.679 --> 0:12:52.960 I'm still still waiting for that honor for myself. Well, 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:55.400 my wife and I are very keen to become grandparents 0:12:55.440 --> 0:12:58.120 and we might celebrate with a trip too. That's a 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:00.240 good idea, mate, I've never thought of that. Thank you, 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:03.640 Frank for your call. And if you have any other 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:05.920 information on what makes a good airline, let us know 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:10.120 this one on the Harbor Bridge from Linda, any money 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:13.720 painting the bridge properly these days means writing a report. Well, 0:13:13.800 --> 0:13:17.880 that's part of the conversation, Linda, Yes, oh, and s 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:20.240 these days would be vastly different to what it was 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:23.240 when the bridge was first constructed, and so that would 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:26.880 have an impact on how they manage maintenance. So many 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:30.680 boxes to tick, as they say, the red tape. Quite 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:34.240 a few other texts coming in on various things. I'll 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:36.080 get to that text line in just a minute. The 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:39.240 other story today is, of course, as I mentioned, Colin 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:45.600 Mandy sc is in the spotlight at the Mushroom murder case, 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:49.160 and he's been going through a whole range of different 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:53.440 things that's been dutifully reported in the newspapers. And the 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:58.240 latest in a very very long summation on behalf of 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:02.400 the defense is that he's painting a portrait of an 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:06.200 enduring family love that the Pattison family shared even after 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:09.480 the separation of the accused Aaron Patterson and Simon Patterson 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:12.400 it says his client shared a good and strong relationship 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:15.199 with her estranged husband and a loving relationship with her 0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:17.520 in laws Don and Gale Patterson. Part of the defense, 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:21.680 even though it's not a technical defense, certainly to try 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:25.280 and persuade the jury is motive and that was one 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:29.800 of the discussions that came up during the summation, and 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:33.360 mister Mandy has returned to that theme. Why would she 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:37.280 have done it anyway? So many facets to this. Of course, 0:14:37.320 --> 0:14:41.760 as you've probably heard, it's become a global phenomenon, the 0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:45.880 Mushroom case. So the jury at some stage I expect 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:48.880 today will be allowed to retire and try and reach 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:50.600 a verdict on this. And there's been a whole lot 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:54.120 of legal and of course emotional argument back and forth, 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:57.880 but it's been reported in great detail today on the 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:00.920 Sydney Morning Herald website. Will keep you across that and 0:15:00.960 --> 0:15:03.200 other stories. I've had a couple of requests actually for 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:06.240 some reports on what's happening overseas, so we'll check up 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:10.520 on that too. Because these air strikes that are being 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:15.280 traded between Israel and Iran are continuing right through our 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:18.440 daytime and also our nighttime as well, so we wake 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:21.200 up to news and there is more news during the day, 0:15:21.240 --> 0:15:22.840 so we'll give you the latest on that as well. 0:15:23.040 --> 0:15:24.720 In the meantime we'll take a break. We'll be coming 0:15:24.720 --> 0:15:28.960 back soon with robin eroinside twenty eight to one. We'll 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:31.760 talk airlines in just a tick and we'll also give 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:34.400 you an update too on what's happening with some cancelations 0:15:34.440 --> 0:15:37.720 and delays due to the volcano in Bali, and we'll 0:15:37.760 --> 0:15:40.440 ask robin eroinside about that as well. So plenty to 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:44.360 talk about when it comes to aviation safety, and that's 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:45.920 been a big feature of a lot of text we're 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:48.320 getting in on what people search for most when it 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:50.280 comes to an airline. I think that makes plenty of sense. 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:52.680 We've had some requests about what's happening in the Middle 0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:55.400 East as well. So the latest news we're getting is 0:15:55.400 --> 0:15:58.680 that Erans Islamic Revolutionary Guard has warned residents of Tel 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:02.800 Aviv toate the city now. This is according to Iranian 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:06.720 news agencies. I stress the warnings accompanied by a map 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:09.080 that's similar to those issued by the IDEA for ahead of 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:12.080 strikes on Iran and Gaza, so the old tit for tat. 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:16.000 Earlier today, they claimed the Fatah missiles had broken through 0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:20.880 Israeli defenses and they're claiming now complete domination over Israeli airspace, 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:23.320 which of course is what the Israelis had said about 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:28.000 Iranian airspace earlier today. And this has come after Donald 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:30.760 Trump's comments on the latest situation. I'll give you that 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:35.840 Iotola Ali Hamanius reportedly transferred a significant proportion of his 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:38.800 power to the Revolutionary Guard's Supreme Council, according to a 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:42.840 story in The Australian, amid Israeli threats to assassinate him now, 0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:46.360 President Trump said earlier today the US knew where Iran's 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:49.680 supreme leader was, but had decided not to assassinate him, 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:53.200 and I quote yet while Benjamin Netanyah, who has warned 0:16:53.200 --> 0:16:56.680 an assassination was not off the table the Israeli Prime Minister, 0:16:56.720 --> 0:16:59.120 it says. And the Australian continues to call for regime 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:02.120 change and was joined in that call this morning by 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:06.639 Riza Pallavi, the former Shah of Iran's heir. And the 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:10.879 news comes as Israel again sends missiles enter tay Rana, 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:15.560 to sending an evacuation warning to residents to near the 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:18.960 city's airport, which doubles of course as a military base. 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:21.840 We'll keep updating you on that. There's been some specific 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:24.399 requests about certain targets too, which we will look into. 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:28.040 And I did say months and months and months ago 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:32.200 on maybe not this program might have been another one 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:38.119 I was filling in for that Israel's long term strategy 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:40.080 had to be very important when it came to their 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:45.200 retaliation for the initial attacks from Gaza across the border, 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:48.840 those horrific attacks. What is the long term goal? And 0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:51.160 I suggested at the time that unless they were serious 0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:54.760 about regime change in Iran, then they would only be 0:17:55.680 --> 0:17:59.400 stirring up the mud to create a new generation of terrorism. 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:02.760 It seems now they are being more decisive about what 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:06.200 their long term future is and let's hope that works 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:08.920 out well for the benefit of all of us. It's 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:17.000 twenty five to one now, don't forget. We're turning up 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:19.320 the heat with up to forty thousand dollars worth of 0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:22.359 cash and prizes on the Winter Wheel. This is fanto. 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:25.239 I'm really excited about this because I haven't been on 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:28.359 the program since they started this thing, so this is 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:30.760 very exciting for me too. 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This is 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:07.000 a specific wheel number, one three hundred seven double two 0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:09.000 eight seven three. So make a note of that because 0:19:09.000 --> 0:19:10.399 we don't want you to call the wrong number and 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:12.560 miss out. So when you get that queue to call 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:14.520 later in the program, it'll be in the final hour, 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:17.680 in fact, the final half hour actually, so I don't 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:19.960 want to give too much away, but make your life 0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:22.920 a bit easier. That'll be the Winter Wheel. Hopefully give 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:25.080 you two and a half thousand dollars or I mean 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:27.680 fifteen hundred went off in the last hour. That's pretty amazing. 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:32.160 In Mark Leavy's show, okay, let's talk airlines. The Skytracks 0:19:32.160 --> 0:19:35.280 Airline Awards. They're sort of the oscars of the aviation industry. 0:19:35.920 --> 0:19:38.960 They've been announced overnight more than twenty two million customers 0:19:39.080 --> 0:19:42.040 using over three hundred and twenty five carriers, So it's 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:44.880 pretty extensive. Really, it's not just a couple of people 0:19:44.920 --> 0:19:47.520 sitting in a room making it up, which often happens 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:51.240 with media awards. Anyway. They fill out an online survey 0:19:51.800 --> 0:19:54.320 and from this they in a number of categories determine 0:19:54.320 --> 0:19:57.280 the best airline, including best overall, and that was CATSA 0:19:57.440 --> 0:20:02.080 Airways once once again world's best second year in a row. 0:20:02.240 --> 0:20:05.359 Singapore Airlines came in second, then Cave Pacific, which was 0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:09.160 mentioned by an earlier caller. All generally rate quite highly 0:20:09.200 --> 0:20:11.200 when it comes to service and quality of the flight. 0:20:11.720 --> 0:20:15.119 In terms of the Australian airlines, well, it's not like 0:20:15.160 --> 0:20:17.159 the good old days when we're getting a mentioned on 0:20:17.400 --> 0:20:22.000 Hollywood films. Top ranking airline was Quantus. They came fourteenth 0:20:22.040 --> 0:20:26.840 overall twenty fourth last year. Interesting, isn't it, But in 0:20:26.920 --> 0:20:29.280 saying that they have been recognized as the best carrier 0:20:29.320 --> 0:20:32.680 in the Asia Australia Pacific region and in the global 0:20:32.680 --> 0:20:36.080 top ten for best in flight entertainment. So if you 0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:38.520 want to catch the latest movies on your way to Europe. 0:20:38.520 --> 0:20:40.359 A quantus flight might be the place to do it, 0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:42.679 but it does beg the question, what is it for you? 0:20:42.760 --> 0:20:45.640 What makes a good airline? Robin eroinsight as the aviation 0:20:45.760 --> 0:20:48.440 editor at The Australian, knowing all the ins and outs. 0:20:48.440 --> 0:20:50.200 Since she's on the line. Thanks for your time, Robin. 0:20:50.800 --> 0:20:53.440 It's a pleasure bill, needless to say, and a few 0:20:53.440 --> 0:20:55.560 people have pointed this out. It has to be safety. 0:20:55.680 --> 0:20:57.920 I think let's assume that, let's just say, okay, that's 0:20:57.920 --> 0:21:01.440 a given. Safety would be the one thing that we're 0:21:01.480 --> 0:21:04.840 most concerned about. But before we get into the details 0:21:04.920 --> 0:21:07.760 of what people tend to prefer in airlines, and you 0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:11.479 might surprise us on that score, Kata, how do they 0:21:11.520 --> 0:21:11.800 do it? 0:21:12.920 --> 0:21:16.159 Yes, well, they certainly do it a lot. And the 0:21:16.280 --> 0:21:20.560 ninth time that they've won this sort of top prize 0:21:20.560 --> 0:21:24.560 in the awards, I have to say I don't hear 0:21:24.560 --> 0:21:26.800 from a lot of people who've had exposure to this 0:21:26.840 --> 0:21:31.320 particular survey, even though twenty two million people have filled 0:21:31.320 --> 0:21:35.639 it out. So I suspect perhaps that maybe certain airlines 0:21:35.720 --> 0:21:38.800 do promote it more than others, and that's why we've 0:21:38.840 --> 0:21:43.600 seen sort of Katar and Singapore airlines almost share the 0:21:43.680 --> 0:21:48.719 prize consistently almost throughout the history of the awards. Not 0:21:48.800 --> 0:21:51.880 that I'm saying it's undeserved. I mean, anyone who has 0:21:51.960 --> 0:21:54.960 phoonn On, Kata or Singapore would be aware that they 0:21:55.000 --> 0:21:58.200 are very good airlines. They provide a very good service. 0:21:58.680 --> 0:22:03.760 Everything is sort of first rate, from the seat, the 0:22:03.840 --> 0:22:08.320 day called, the service, the food, the in financertainment. Everything's 0:22:08.400 --> 0:22:11.639 top notch. So I don't think it's undeserved. Plus, they 0:22:11.680 --> 0:22:14.840 do have very good safety records as well. 0:22:15.200 --> 0:22:17.840 Customers, I take it, are largely the ones filling out 0:22:17.840 --> 0:22:21.320 these surveys to help make the decisions. How do the 0:22:21.359 --> 0:22:23.960 airline experts like yourself view these sorts of. 0:22:23.920 --> 0:22:28.280 Things, Well, these are I guess the awards that I 0:22:28.359 --> 0:22:33.199 probably considered that the most accurate in terms of the 0:22:33.320 --> 0:22:38.800 methodology and also the results. I don't think anyone can 0:22:38.960 --> 0:22:44.639 really argue that Kata, Singapore, Cafe Emirates are the best 0:22:44.680 --> 0:22:48.880 airlines in the world. I mean, anyone who has experienced them, 0:22:49.160 --> 0:22:53.400 and has perhaps experienced maybe a US in a line 0:22:54.440 --> 0:22:58.240 would probably vote in favor of the former. 0:22:58.640 --> 0:23:01.479 Right, And look, a lot of these airlines, people might say, 0:23:01.520 --> 0:23:03.760 I don't know much about them, but they are partner airlines. 0:23:04.240 --> 0:23:08.240 Now we have all these various partnerships. Kats are, for example, 0:23:08.359 --> 0:23:11.240 with Virgin Australia. I think is Emirates still with Quantas 0:23:11.240 --> 0:23:14.040 are though their main are they're a partner of Quantus, 0:23:14.080 --> 0:23:14.840 aren't they Emirates? 0:23:15.280 --> 0:23:18.040 They are that right, So a. 0:23:17.960 --> 0:23:20.200 Lot of people would probably use these airlines even though 0:23:20.200 --> 0:23:22.200 they might book a ticket through Quantus, they might finish 0:23:22.240 --> 0:23:23.320 up on one of these airlines. 0:23:24.280 --> 0:23:28.280 That's right, And certainly the data that the federal government 0:23:28.320 --> 0:23:31.840 issues every month shows that these airlines do carry a 0:23:31.880 --> 0:23:35.359 sizable chunk of people in and out of Australia. Along 0:23:35.400 --> 0:23:38.360 with of course Quantus and Jetstar and Air New Zealand. 0:23:39.440 --> 0:23:42.680 Australian airlines aren't performing as well as other international carriers. 0:23:42.760 --> 0:23:46.080 Is that because some of them are in fact government subsidized. 0:23:46.119 --> 0:23:48.000 Is that the only difference or are there other factors? 0:23:48.800 --> 0:23:48.960 Well? 0:23:49.000 --> 0:23:51.800 I do think that's a big difference, the fact that 0:23:52.000 --> 0:23:56.720 profits perhaps aren't as important to government subsidized airlines such 0:23:56.760 --> 0:24:01.440 as Katar and Singapore Emirates to an extent. Yes, I'd 0:24:01.440 --> 0:24:05.080 certainly think that there's a degree of that. Whereas Quantus 0:24:05.160 --> 0:24:08.520 is very conscious of his bottom line has much higher 0:24:08.600 --> 0:24:12.800 labor costs than perhaps some of those other airlines, so 0:24:13.040 --> 0:24:16.600 it does make it difficult, I think, to compete on 0:24:16.640 --> 0:24:20.280 an even playing field with those particular carriers. 0:24:20.840 --> 0:24:23.560 Quatus has picked up the pace. They jumped up the leaderboards, 0:24:23.760 --> 0:24:26.240 to speak, but they were a long way down I 0:24:26.280 --> 0:24:28.119 must have been. I was surprised when I saw that 0:24:28.200 --> 0:24:30.480 they were down as far as twenty four in the rankings. 0:24:31.880 --> 0:24:33.920 What's happened in that time and can you sort of 0:24:33.960 --> 0:24:36.639 put your finger on how these trends are dictated? 0:24:37.640 --> 0:24:40.119 Well, they certainly had a spectacular fall from grace. It 0:24:40.760 --> 0:24:43.760 was pretty surprising in twenty twenty two, when the world 0:24:43.840 --> 0:24:46.720 was just sort of opening up, that Quantus was actually 0:24:46.760 --> 0:24:49.920 ranked number five in these awards. And then the year 0:24:50.000 --> 0:24:53.640 after when we saw Alan Joyce leave, we saw the 0:24:54.080 --> 0:24:57.679 a Triple C take legal action against Quantus. There were 0:24:57.720 --> 0:25:01.159 a whole series of controversy. That's when we saw the 0:25:01.240 --> 0:25:05.440 Quantus decline to really start being reflected in these awards. 0:25:05.440 --> 0:25:08.280 They went from fifth to seventeenth, and then last year 0:25:08.320 --> 0:25:11.360 they went to twenty fourth, and so I gathered the 0:25:11.480 --> 0:25:13.960 fact that they're now up to fourteenth shows that the 0:25:14.080 --> 0:25:19.080 turnaround under CEO Vanessa Hudson has started to work. It 0:25:19.160 --> 0:25:24.000 is being reflected, I guess in passengers satisfaction with Quantus. 0:25:24.440 --> 0:25:26.800 More people fly now than ever, we have a lot 0:25:26.800 --> 0:25:29.480 more feedback at our fingertips now than ever because of 0:25:29.760 --> 0:25:34.000 social media, the digital age, so to speak. How much 0:25:34.040 --> 0:25:36.880 does brand loyalty still come into it. Quantus was once 0:25:36.920 --> 0:25:42.080 an institution like our banks and other large companies that 0:25:42.080 --> 0:25:44.880 were identified with Australia brands. For want of a better term. 0:25:45.520 --> 0:25:47.880 That's not as big a deal now, is it. 0:25:49.000 --> 0:25:52.320 But I think there is an element of that, particularly 0:25:52.359 --> 0:25:56.040 with the frequent flyer programs. I think that really does 0:25:56.280 --> 0:26:00.400 encourage people to spend their money with one particular airline. 0:26:00.920 --> 0:26:06.119 And domestically, there's no argument that Quantus is the dominant 0:26:06.160 --> 0:26:11.639 carrier internationally. Quantus certainly still carries more people in and 0:26:11.640 --> 0:26:15.200 out of Australia than any other airline, including its own partner, 0:26:15.280 --> 0:26:18.359 Jet Style, but it does have a lot of competition. 0:26:18.560 --> 0:26:21.800 There's at least sixty airlines that fly in and out 0:26:21.800 --> 0:26:26.000 of Australia, so it's a much tougher stage I guess 0:26:26.040 --> 0:26:29.840 for Quantas, But that loyalty it does count for something 0:26:30.200 --> 0:26:32.639 I think people will often talk about you know, the 0:26:32.720 --> 0:26:35.960 relief they feel when they see that red kangaroo at 0:26:35.960 --> 0:26:38.359 the airport when they're getting on a flight. 0:26:38.119 --> 0:26:38.800 To come home. 0:26:39.200 --> 0:26:42.080 So I do still think that that counts for something. 0:26:42.840 --> 0:26:46.720 And look, it's a difficult business to get into, beyond 0:26:46.760 --> 0:26:48.520 the comprehension in fact of a lot of us. When 0:26:48.560 --> 0:26:52.280 you think about it running an airline, the capital investment, 0:26:52.359 --> 0:26:58.120 the safety, safety specifications, I mean, Rex for example, has 0:26:58.119 --> 0:27:00.960 become a bit of a cautionary tale for our regional carriers. 0:27:01.359 --> 0:27:03.960 It's not an easy thing to get into and maintain. 0:27:05.000 --> 0:27:09.040 No indeed, the margins are thin. And when you think 0:27:09.080 --> 0:27:14.239 about all the costs that airlines have to meet in 0:27:14.320 --> 0:27:21.680 terms of airport feeds, aircraft leasing, labor, fuel catering, all 0:27:21.680 --> 0:27:26.080 the regulatory fees that occur within the aviation industry, it's 0:27:26.119 --> 0:27:29.520 an enormous list of costs which they have to meet 0:27:29.920 --> 0:27:33.400 pretty much just through playing fares. There's not a lot 0:27:33.400 --> 0:27:35.480 of other revenue that they can get. 0:27:36.720 --> 0:27:39.560 How does the future look for Conners and other locally 0:27:40.080 --> 0:27:40.960 local airlines. 0:27:41.760 --> 0:27:44.760 I think it's looking pretty rosy. I mean, obviously, we're 0:27:44.760 --> 0:27:48.480 a country that relies heavily on aviation, and the fact 0:27:48.480 --> 0:27:51.680 that we have two dominant airline groups that are both 0:27:51.760 --> 0:27:56.000 profitable is probably a positive thing in a lot of ways. 0:27:56.000 --> 0:27:58.560 I'm sure there's plenty of us who would like to 0:27:58.600 --> 0:28:03.400 see more competition on the domestic playing field to perhaps 0:28:03.600 --> 0:28:08.040 raise standards of customer service and that sort of thing. Internationally, though, 0:28:08.040 --> 0:28:11.240 I think we're doing pretty well with such a high 0:28:11.359 --> 0:28:14.119 number of airlines that are operating in and out of Australia. 0:28:14.480 --> 0:28:19.639 There's competition on most routes, and fares are probably what 0:28:19.800 --> 0:28:25.240 they were in twenty nineteen or earlier. They haven't really 0:28:25.240 --> 0:28:28.760 gone up a lot when you take into account inflation, 0:28:29.320 --> 0:28:32.160 so no, I think I think the future is pretty good. 0:28:32.480 --> 0:28:37.040 And with the entry of Catai Airways raising the bar 0:28:37.560 --> 0:28:42.000 with Virgin Australia, that has actually triggered quite a lot 0:28:42.040 --> 0:28:45.880 of airlines to do the same. We're seeing Emirates launch 0:28:46.240 --> 0:28:50.160 new products into Australia to try to keep their customers happy. 0:28:50.680 --> 0:28:54.720 Eddie Hads doing the same, Singapore Airlines and New Zealand United, 0:28:55.040 --> 0:28:59.600 they're all undertaking product upgrades and targeting the Australian market. 0:29:00.080 --> 0:29:01.040 Definitely a win for. 0:29:01.040 --> 0:29:03.760 Us, and just a quick one before we let you go, Robin. 0:29:03.800 --> 0:29:06.560 And of course this is on very short notice, I understand, 0:29:06.560 --> 0:29:10.680 but the eruption of this volcano in eastern Indonesia is 0:29:10.720 --> 0:29:13.760 going to cause I think quite a few problems. Apparently 0:29:14.560 --> 0:29:16.600 a lot of New Zealand is stranded after a flight 0:29:17.360 --> 0:29:21.320 due to leave den Pasar in Bali for Auckland was canceled, 0:29:21.440 --> 0:29:23.920 and I think most of the airlines involved you've got 0:29:23.960 --> 0:29:27.400 any New Zealand, Jet Star, Virgin and Quantus indeed are 0:29:27.440 --> 0:29:29.200 all keeping an eye on this. So it looks like 0:29:29.280 --> 0:29:32.920 there might be some delays as volcanic ash keeps spewing 0:29:32.960 --> 0:29:33.840 into the atmosphere. 0:29:34.640 --> 0:29:38.720 Indeed, Jetstar and Virgin Australia have both confirmed a number 0:29:38.720 --> 0:29:44.440 of cancelations. Jet Stars canceled for return flights out of Sydney, Melbourne, 0:29:44.520 --> 0:29:48.080 Adelaide and Brisbane, and Virgin has also canceled two of 0:29:48.160 --> 0:29:52.720 its return flights. So yeah, we are seeing that, I'm 0:29:52.720 --> 0:29:56.479 sure inconvenience to a lot of people. And Quantus has 0:29:56.520 --> 0:29:59.680 indicated they've got two flights this afternoon which are likely 0:29:59.720 --> 0:30:02.520 to be laid at this stage, and they're keeping an 0:30:02.520 --> 0:30:04.400 eye on it. The things get worse, they will cancel 0:30:04.440 --> 0:30:08.080 them because volcanic ash does pose a serious safety threat 0:30:08.440 --> 0:30:11.920 to aircraft. Because it can be ingested into engines and 0:30:11.960 --> 0:30:15.560 that can cause problems with airflow, and that's the last 0:30:15.560 --> 0:30:19.000 thing you want when you're thirty five thousand feet And of. 0:30:18.920 --> 0:30:22.000 Course, you know, I know travelers can get very edgy 0:30:22.040 --> 0:30:24.440 about these things, but we've got to put it in perspective. 0:30:24.440 --> 0:30:27.240 I mean, people's lives are at risk here in Indonesia, 0:30:27.360 --> 0:30:30.600 and even though there's no reports yet to damage your casualties, 0:30:30.640 --> 0:30:33.760 there were nine people killed back in November and thousands 0:30:33.800 --> 0:30:36.360 were displaced, so it's a very serious matter. There's a 0:30:36.400 --> 0:30:40.080 seven kilometer exclusion zone in the area around the place, 0:30:40.120 --> 0:30:42.840 so I guess people just have to be patient, don't they. 0:30:43.840 --> 0:30:46.640 Absolutely, it does make you appreciate how lucky we are 0:30:46.720 --> 0:30:50.960 in Australia that we don't have active volcanoes. Absolutely yeah, 0:30:52.160 --> 0:30:55.280 regular as sorry, as regularly as they do in Indonesia. 0:30:55.760 --> 0:30:57.719 Robin Einside, thank you very much for your time. 0:30:58.440 --> 0:30:59.280 Thanks for having me on. 0:30:59.360 --> 0:31:02.600 Bill Robin's the aviation editor of The Australian. I'll get 0:31:02.600 --> 0:31:06.920 back to the text line shortly. We've had some very 0:31:06.920 --> 0:31:11.680 interesting reports on various airlines coming in different people with 0:31:11.760 --> 0:31:16.240 their different ratings, and one from Gary. Thank you for 0:31:16.240 --> 0:31:19.160 your great work. At Saint Christopher's Football club sixtieth aniversary dinner. 0:31:19.200 --> 0:31:21.600 Thank you, Gary. Only too happy to help out and 0:31:22.760 --> 0:31:27.440 encourage junior sport and make young people better citizens as 0:31:27.480 --> 0:31:30.080 a result, we hope. I flew cat Art to London 0:31:30.160 --> 0:31:33.680 via Doha last June, says Kelly. The flight was awful. 0:31:33.760 --> 0:31:36.360 Staff were rude, food was gross and service non existent. 0:31:37.000 --> 0:31:40.280 Was squeezed in like cattle. There you go. See, not 0:31:40.360 --> 0:31:42.240 everyone has the same experience. The only way to rate 0:31:42.280 --> 0:31:45.760 an airline, says Maria, is safety. This one from Patrick 0:31:46.800 --> 0:31:50.280 paid business class to travel recently on Quantas. The windows 0:31:50.280 --> 0:31:53.000 in the Sydney lounge are all closed off, no view outside. 0:31:53.040 --> 0:31:55.720 You just sit next to shaded windows. Left the lounge 0:31:55.760 --> 0:31:59.520 to avoid claustrophobic, very crowded lounge. So disappointing that what 0:32:00.000 --> 0:32:02.240 should Bequantus's number one business lounge in the world doesn't 0:32:02.240 --> 0:32:05.120 even have windows. I'm not aware of that, Patrick, I 0:32:05.120 --> 0:32:08.240 haven't been in the Business International terminal Quittus lounge, he says, 0:32:08.280 --> 0:32:11.440 just clarifying in a second text, Thank you, Patrick, I 0:32:11.440 --> 0:32:13.840 haven't been in the business lounge for a long time. 0:32:14.520 --> 0:32:16.520 It used to be part of my previous employment. I 0:32:16.520 --> 0:32:19.720 flew a lot around the world, but not for quite 0:32:19.760 --> 0:32:24.320 a long time. Interesting from Paul. So, if regional airlines 0:32:24.360 --> 0:32:25.960 are not easy to make a profit on, why all 0:32:26.000 --> 0:32:29.320 these crazy multinational investors always ready to invest. Yes, I 0:32:29.360 --> 0:32:33.120 wonder about that, Paul. I do wonder about that. A 0:32:33.160 --> 0:32:35.240 few more texts saying the best airline is the one 0:32:35.240 --> 0:32:40.040 that doesn't crash. A sobering text from someone with no name. 0:32:40.120 --> 0:32:42.360 Well done, Billy, You sound just like Netan Yahoo, the 0:32:42.360 --> 0:32:46.760 war criminal himself. I'd like to think I wasn't that harsh. 0:32:46.880 --> 0:32:49.000 Thank you for your text. You're entitled to your opinion 0:32:49.440 --> 0:32:52.760 on net and Yahoo and me. But I was simply 0:32:52.760 --> 0:32:55.440 pointing out the fact that a lot of people would 0:32:55.520 --> 0:32:58.400 like a regime change. They think it would settle the 0:32:58.440 --> 0:33:00.760 Middle East if they had a regime Iran. A lot 0:33:00.760 --> 0:33:03.200 of Iranians think that too, But how they go about 0:33:03.240 --> 0:33:05.880 doing that, where they send their missiles, and who gets 0:33:05.960 --> 0:33:08.080 hurt in the process. I will not pass judgment on 0:33:08.880 --> 0:33:11.920 I was certainly not condoning that. Just in case you 0:33:11.920 --> 0:33:16.960 were wondering now. Back in the late eighties, says Mitch, 0:33:17.000 --> 0:33:18.760 I was playing golf with the mate and an English 0:33:18.760 --> 0:33:21.160 fellow as he was by himself. It turns out he 0:33:21.200 --> 0:33:23.880 was the pilot of the BA plane that flew through 0:33:23.880 --> 0:33:27.240 the volcanic ash and the engines stalled. He said that 0:33:27.280 --> 0:33:28.680 it got to the point that they had one more 0:33:28.680 --> 0:33:31.440 attempt to start the engines or that was it, and 0:33:31.480 --> 0:33:34.000 they started up. He thought they were done for What 0:33:34.120 --> 0:33:37.040 a story. I wonder if the passengers knew that at 0:33:37.080 --> 0:33:44.160 the time. Mitch, Oh, there you go. Haven't been oversea 0:33:44.200 --> 0:33:47.120 since two thousand and nine, says Ben. Yes, well, just 0:33:47.160 --> 0:33:49.480 HARKing back to our various conflicts. I did see a 0:33:49.560 --> 0:33:51.480 map the other day online. You might have sent it 0:33:51.560 --> 0:33:54.360 in one of the newspaper websites as well, which just 0:33:54.440 --> 0:33:56.920 showed where all the flights are being diverted now due 0:33:56.960 --> 0:34:00.320 to the troubles of course in Ukraine and the Middle East, 0:34:01.080 --> 0:34:05.400 and that has since expanded. And yes, I think there 0:34:05.480 --> 0:34:07.520 might be a bit more aviation fuel burnt up, and 0:34:07.600 --> 0:34:11.799 rightly so, I think we're agreed on that to keep 0:34:11.840 --> 0:34:15.959 away from certain areas. Anyway, Oh, thank you kind words, Bob, 0:34:16.040 --> 0:34:21.440 Thank you Paul very much appreciate it. We'll had relatively 0:34:21.480 --> 0:34:24.520 short notice, but we're plowing through thankfully. The Michael McLaren 0:34:24.560 --> 0:34:27.399 shows just a smooth well oiled machine. When we come back, 0:34:27.440 --> 0:34:28.840 I'll tell you what that machine will be up to 0:34:28.840 --> 0:34:30.960 in the next hour. Just a couple of bits of news. 0:34:30.960 --> 0:34:34.520 We had a text asking earlier explosions were seen near 0:34:34.520 --> 0:34:37.040 a moss Ad building outside Tel Aviv, and there are 0:34:37.080 --> 0:34:40.200 reports that Mossad's HQ has been hit, but they are 0:34:40.239 --> 0:34:43.759 mostly from Irany and media and unconfirmed by the other side. 0:34:43.760 --> 0:34:45.200 But that at least is the best we can do 0:34:45.280 --> 0:34:48.520 for you on the question specifically on that. Now there 0:34:48.560 --> 0:34:50.840 has been an announcement from the Treasurer. You might know 0:34:50.920 --> 0:34:54.040 that he's been addressing and still is the National Press Club. 0:34:54.080 --> 0:34:56.200 We had albow in last week and this week it's 0:34:56.239 --> 0:34:58.840 the Treasurer and I can tell you that he's announced 0:34:58.880 --> 0:35:02.439 he'll be hosting an economic reform round table over three 0:35:02.560 --> 0:35:05.680 days from August nineteen to twenty one. The Prime Minister 0:35:05.719 --> 0:35:09.160 will be involved and he's invited the RBA Governor Michelle Bullock, 0:35:09.520 --> 0:35:13.279 and will invite Danielle Wood that's the Productivity Commission chair, 0:35:13.360 --> 0:35:16.840 to participate. The Treasurer says a mix of government, business 0:35:16.840 --> 0:35:19.880 and unions will be represented and the roundtable will be 0:35:19.920 --> 0:35:23.920 about shaping the direction for long term economic reform and 0:35:24.040 --> 0:35:28.040 setting guiding principles. So will it be another talk fest? 0:35:28.719 --> 0:35:31.640 There was hope this morning. This was flagged actually vaguely 0:35:32.120 --> 0:35:35.160 in the newspapers this morning, and commentators are saying, are 0:35:35.160 --> 0:35:38.279 we really going to see some serious reform from this government? Now? 0:35:38.320 --> 0:35:40.200 I know you might not agree with that reform, but 0:35:40.200 --> 0:35:43.399 as I said earlier, governments generally are reluctant to stick 0:35:43.400 --> 0:35:46.239 their necks out. Will that result in anything later on? 0:35:46.360 --> 0:35:47.759 Let us know what you think. One through one eight 0:35:47.840 --> 0:35:50.040 seven three or zero four six zero eight seven three 0:35:50.120 --> 0:35:53.040 eight seven three. We'll be back to talk McCartney. 0:35:52.920 --> 0:35:58.239 Now onto gb and network stations. Back to afternoons with 0:35:58.440 --> 0:36:00.080 Bill Woods filling in. 0:36:00.160 --> 0:36:05.000 From Mangol and Clary. Yes, and thank you very much 0:36:05.040 --> 0:36:07.520 for being with us, and keep the calls coming one 0:36:07.520 --> 0:36:10.319 three one eight seven three or zero four six zero 0:36:10.360 --> 0:36:12.600 eight seven three eight seven three on the text line 0:36:12.600 --> 0:36:16.320 about anything you like. We've talked about airlines, what makes 0:36:16.320 --> 0:36:19.080 a good airline and what has governed your choice in 0:36:19.120 --> 0:36:21.480 the past. We've had plenty of feedback on that, various 0:36:21.960 --> 0:36:25.080 opinions on different airlines, including a negative one on Katar, 0:36:25.200 --> 0:36:28.320 which has been voted by Skytracks as the world's leading airline. 0:36:28.520 --> 0:36:31.160 At least according to a quite large, it must be said, 0:36:31.600 --> 0:36:35.560 survey of customers around the world. As Robin Einste said 0:36:35.560 --> 0:36:40.160 to us earlier, it's a very high quality survey according 0:36:40.160 --> 0:36:43.520 to aviation experts. Now we'll talk in this out very 0:36:43.560 --> 0:36:46.759 shortly to Dave Wilco Wilkins, who's a musician and a 0:36:46.960 --> 0:36:50.080 very accomplished one. I might add also a Paul McCartney 0:36:50.080 --> 0:36:53.879 fans celebrating McCartney's eighty third birthday, love to get your 0:36:53.880 --> 0:36:57.480 feedback on that. Whether you're a McCartney or a Lenin person, 0:36:57.560 --> 0:37:00.440 do your mind have you met him? And I'll tell 0:37:00.440 --> 0:37:02.640 you a bit of a story about one of a 0:37:02.680 --> 0:37:05.319 member of our management team here who actually ran into 0:37:05.320 --> 0:37:09.319 Paul McCartney in a very unusual place. Great story, and 0:37:09.640 --> 0:37:11.960 you're welcome to tell us of any other brushes you've 0:37:11.960 --> 0:37:14.640 had with fame too. It might not necessarily be McCartney, 0:37:14.640 --> 0:37:17.560 but if you ever met a famous person in an 0:37:17.640 --> 0:37:25.520 unusual place, we might have to keep that, might have 0:37:25.520 --> 0:37:27.480 to put a bit of censorship on some of those stories. 0:37:27.520 --> 0:37:30.840 Perhaps just saying in case you're a big fan of 0:37:30.920 --> 0:37:33.160 rock bands back in the day and hang out with them. 0:37:33.920 --> 0:37:36.520 Blake Went will join us. The next half hour after 0:37:37.400 --> 0:37:40.960 half past will be Pretzel Wealth, as it is all 0:37:41.000 --> 0:37:45.239 the time on this day with Michael McLaren. He'll talk 0:37:45.239 --> 0:37:47.200 about anything you like and one three one eight seven 0:37:47.239 --> 0:37:48.799 three you have a question for Blake or get him 0:37:48.800 --> 0:37:51.319 on the text line as well, and come up into 0:37:51.360 --> 0:37:53.640 financial year all those things you must have a question, 0:37:54.400 --> 0:37:57.080 make use of that knowledge while you can, so Blake 0:37:57.120 --> 0:37:58.839 will join us a little later on. Don't forget we've 0:37:58.840 --> 0:38:00.640 still got the Winter Wheel that's coming up in the 0:38:00.680 --> 0:38:03.040 final hour today. We've got one hundred and fifty dollars 0:38:03.080 --> 0:38:05.080 voucher from the b Store to give away for Track 0:38:05.120 --> 0:38:07.279 of the day, and we'll also be having a chat 0:38:07.280 --> 0:38:11.200 with the Master Builders Australia who want the Federal government 0:38:11.239 --> 0:38:13.279 to do a few things that they think are quite 0:38:13.320 --> 0:38:16.600 bold to unlock productivity. We'll see what they have to say. 0:38:16.640 --> 0:38:18.640 So that's a little snapshot of what's coming up for 0:38:18.719 --> 0:38:21.080 us a little later in the day. Plenty of stuff 0:38:21.080 --> 0:38:25.000 coming through on the text line, and we're also going 0:38:25.000 --> 0:38:27.759 to catch up with a reporter. I think we've got 0:38:28.239 --> 0:38:31.120 Penelope Lish right now, our nine years reporter who's been 0:38:31.120 --> 0:38:35.000 covering the so called mushroom case where Aaron Pattisons on 0:38:35.080 --> 0:38:37.719 trial and her defense lawyer, Colin Mandy sc has been 0:38:37.960 --> 0:38:42.680 spending quite some time in his closing summation. So, Penelope, 0:38:42.719 --> 0:38:43.040 thanks for. 0:38:43.080 --> 0:38:46.200 Joining us, Thanks very much for having me, and. 0:38:46.160 --> 0:38:48.080 I appreciate you've just ducked out of the court too, 0:38:48.120 --> 0:38:50.839 because this summation I believe continues in a very very 0:38:50.840 --> 0:38:52.720 detailed one from Colin Mandy today. 0:38:53.719 --> 0:38:56.080 Yeah, so this is the second day of Colin Mandy's 0:38:56.080 --> 0:38:59.319 closing argument. He's told the jury yesterday that they need 0:38:59.360 --> 0:39:01.680 to use theirs, not their hearts, that they should put 0:39:01.719 --> 0:39:06.200 any sympathies aside as to what has happened in this case, 0:39:06.280 --> 0:39:09.520 and to focus on the evidence that's been put before them. 0:39:09.520 --> 0:39:09.640 Now. 0:39:09.680 --> 0:39:12.879 The defense argue this was a tragic accident, that Aaron 0:39:12.920 --> 0:39:17.319 Patterson never deliberately poisoned anyone. What Colin Mandy has been 0:39:17.360 --> 0:39:19.799 taking the juries through this morning is a number of 0:39:19.800 --> 0:39:24.080 different elements. He's told the jurors that Aaron Patterson isn't 0:39:24.120 --> 0:39:27.320 on trial for Lyne, that while she did lie about 0:39:27.360 --> 0:39:29.720 a lump on her elbow, that she had a lump, 0:39:29.800 --> 0:39:32.000 that her in laws showed a lot of attention and 0:39:32.040 --> 0:39:35.319 concern for that, that disappeared, and she continued to tell 0:39:35.360 --> 0:39:38.719 them that she had medical appointments regarding that lump to 0:39:38.800 --> 0:39:41.000 get their care and attention because she felt she was 0:39:41.000 --> 0:39:44.080 being isolated from the family at that time. That they 0:39:44.120 --> 0:39:48.280 can't make any leap from there to find her guilty 0:39:48.400 --> 0:39:52.399 of allegedly murdering anybody, that they need to look at 0:39:52.400 --> 0:39:56.120 the specific evidence regarding what she has been charged with. 0:39:56.320 --> 0:39:59.160 And on Colin Mandy's case, he says there was no 0:39:59.239 --> 0:40:02.040 intent to cause any harm to any of these lunch guests. 0:40:02.080 --> 0:40:04.719 He's spoken just in the last few minutes about what 0:40:04.800 --> 0:40:07.799 he says is an alleged ruse that the prosecution has 0:40:07.840 --> 0:40:11.560 put forward. That the prosecution has alleged Aaron Patterson used 0:40:11.600 --> 0:40:14.319 a fake cancer diagnosis to invite the lunch guest to 0:40:14.360 --> 0:40:18.000 her home to discuss that, and Colin Mandy has told 0:40:18.080 --> 0:40:20.319 the jurors that she didn't tell the lunch guest that 0:40:20.320 --> 0:40:23.640 that she'd only told her estranged husband that she wanted 0:40:23.640 --> 0:40:27.239 to discuss health issues. But beyond that, he says that 0:40:27.480 --> 0:40:30.480 in the second point that he's putting to the jury, 0:40:30.800 --> 0:40:35.200 that these particular jurors should look at what basically break 0:40:35.280 --> 0:40:38.400 down that particular argument that if there was a ruse 0:40:38.840 --> 0:40:41.200 for the lunch guests to come on the evidence the 0:40:41.200 --> 0:40:44.360 conversation about Aaron Patterson's health, and the evidence from the 0:40:44.400 --> 0:40:47.000 only surviving lunch guest ian will concern is that she 0:40:47.120 --> 0:40:50.720 told them she did have a cancer diagnosis after this lunch, 0:40:51.000 --> 0:40:53.600 That that conversation happened after they'd come to the home 0:40:53.640 --> 0:40:55.800 and after they'd eaten. So, if there was a ruse, 0:40:56.200 --> 0:40:58.080 Colin Mandy put to the jury, what would be the 0:40:58.120 --> 0:41:01.200 point of having that conversation following the lunch. They'd already 0:41:01.239 --> 0:41:03.600 been there and eaten the meal. He says, if that 0:41:03.960 --> 0:41:06.759 was the case, why would she have this conversation with 0:41:06.880 --> 0:41:07.960 those munch guests at all? 0:41:08.920 --> 0:41:13.719 And I believe earlier in the summation, Colin Mandy refuted 0:41:13.800 --> 0:41:18.000 some of the behaviors there in Patterson after the fact, 0:41:18.080 --> 0:41:21.920 so to speak, that he said were really attributed to 0:41:22.000 --> 0:41:24.440 panic and not anything else. Was that also part of 0:41:24.480 --> 0:41:27.040 his discussion today. 0:41:27.239 --> 0:41:31.080 So Colin Mandy has said, through his case and through 0:41:31.160 --> 0:41:35.399 his closing argument, that Aaron Patterson panicked in regards to 0:41:35.520 --> 0:41:37.840 some of her actions. But what he's put to the 0:41:37.920 --> 0:41:42.200 jury today is what he's a discussion around hindsight evidence 0:41:42.239 --> 0:41:45.640 He's said that it is very dangerous to use hindsight 0:41:45.719 --> 0:41:49.200 when looking at particular actions, that people only act with 0:41:49.239 --> 0:41:51.480 the information that they have at the time, and that 0:41:51.560 --> 0:41:54.360 everyone has more information when they look back on things 0:41:54.400 --> 0:41:57.799 in retrospect. But he has warned the jury about doing that. 0:41:57.880 --> 0:42:00.759 He's warned the jury that when the eecution has put 0:42:00.800 --> 0:42:03.680 certain things to them, like the fact that Aaron Patterson 0:42:03.760 --> 0:42:07.120 dumped the dehydrator, that they alleged that she lied about 0:42:07.160 --> 0:42:09.680 feeding the leftovers to her children, that they alleged that 0:42:09.719 --> 0:42:12.200 she lied about where the mushrooms had come from, that 0:42:12.480 --> 0:42:15.680 using hindsight to look back at any actions is something 0:42:15.680 --> 0:42:17.520 they really should not be doing, and they need to 0:42:17.560 --> 0:42:21.000 see it, he says, in the context of how these 0:42:21.120 --> 0:42:22.959 individual actions occurred at the time. 0:42:23.480 --> 0:42:25.799 And penlopep before we let you go, any sense of 0:42:25.880 --> 0:42:28.160 when the summation will finish and when the jury will 0:42:28.160 --> 0:42:30.480 be able to retire and try and reach a verdict. 0:42:30.920 --> 0:42:34.799 Well, there's still Colin Mandy. He will go for as 0:42:34.880 --> 0:42:37.560 long as he goes for. But he's certainly had a 0:42:37.560 --> 0:42:40.960 lot of points this morning and given no indication to 0:42:41.080 --> 0:42:44.080 the jury that he's getting close to the end. Yet 0:42:44.360 --> 0:42:48.120 we do know that once his his summations are finished, 0:42:48.760 --> 0:42:51.919 that the next thing for the jury to consider will 0:42:51.920 --> 0:42:54.719 be the judge's charge, which is expected to go over 0:42:54.760 --> 0:42:56.600 a number of days. And there's also expected to be 0:42:56.640 --> 0:42:59.319 a break for a day or so so that that 0:42:59.640 --> 0:43:04.000 there can be sort of that charge written without them. 0:43:03.840 --> 0:43:04.680 In the courtroom. 0:43:04.840 --> 0:43:07.360 So they is expected to be a little bit of 0:43:07.400 --> 0:43:09.640 time still until this jury goes out. 0:43:09.960 --> 0:43:11.880 Right, We thank you very much for your time, Penelope. 0:43:11.920 --> 0:43:14.520 We'll let you get back in there. We really appreciate it. 0:43:14.920 --> 0:43:18.359 Thank you, Penelope Leish there from nine years reporting on 0:43:18.400 --> 0:43:22.680 the alleged mushroom case, howeveryone refers to it, the charge 0:43:22.680 --> 0:43:26.000 of the trial of Aaron Patterson in Victoria. It's quarter 0:43:26.000 --> 0:43:28.480 past one. We've got calls coming in, by the way, 0:43:29.080 --> 0:43:33.359 the Mushroom Trial, Say Grace podcast from nine podcasts. That's 0:43:33.400 --> 0:43:35.600 where you can hear more from Penelope who has been 0:43:35.640 --> 0:43:37.719 covering that case and will continue to do so. I 0:43:37.719 --> 0:43:39.320 think we'll take a quick break. We'll come back and 0:43:39.360 --> 0:43:42.880 tell some McCartney stories and hear from the great Wilco himself. 0:43:43.000 --> 0:43:45.560 Eighteen past one before we do a bit of celebrating 0:43:45.560 --> 0:43:48.239 of Paul McCartney's birthday with Wilco. We've got a call 0:43:48.280 --> 0:43:51.080 from Scott. Thanks for waiting on Scott, because we also 0:43:51.160 --> 0:43:53.520 asked if you had an unusual brush with fame. I 0:43:53.560 --> 0:43:55.840 think in Scott's case it might have been a tinkle 0:43:55.920 --> 0:43:58.880 with fame. What's your story, mate? 0:43:59.080 --> 0:44:02.080 It was a little sit Uni quiz night and Graham Bond, 0:44:02.120 --> 0:44:05.320 who was Ardie Jack Artie Jack was the quiz master 0:44:05.920 --> 0:44:07.840 and he was standing were standing at the urinal and 0:44:07.920 --> 0:44:09.759 doing a business, just looking your head, and he said, 0:44:10.040 --> 0:44:12.120 I'm going to light have you And I said, yeah, 0:44:12.239 --> 0:44:13.799 I did so I fished out light game of light 0:44:14.360 --> 0:44:15.839 and then he said thanks. And then when we went 0:44:15.880 --> 0:44:18.520 back out, he recommenced the quiz and we were struggling 0:44:18.560 --> 0:44:21.279 out and he said, first, first, Plake put the hand 0:44:21.360 --> 0:44:24.400 up that table a'ts a dozen bottles of wine, and 0:44:24.440 --> 0:44:26.600 it was I put mine up about one hundred. You know, 0:44:26.640 --> 0:44:28.680 I was about one hundred and fifty. He goes, yeah, 0:44:28.680 --> 0:44:29.320 that blike over. 0:44:29.200 --> 0:44:36.160 There was his very very I don't think I've ever 0:44:36.200 --> 0:44:38.280 met Graham Bond, but I hear he's very down towards 0:44:38.320 --> 0:44:40.720 sort of bloke, and that would have been an interesting exchange. 0:44:40.719 --> 0:44:42.640 I'm glad you didn't say mate, let me shake your hand. 0:44:43.920 --> 0:44:46.799 It might have gone not gone down too well. Good 0:44:46.840 --> 0:44:49.719 on to your Scott, Thanks mate, good story. Let's get into it. 0:44:49.760 --> 0:44:54.040 Eh ah. Yes, and just a bit of trivia there 0:44:54.080 --> 0:44:56.919 because I'm a jazz nut. That was the great horn 0:44:57.000 --> 0:45:00.520 player Tom Scott, just bringing in the little bit of 0:45:00.520 --> 0:45:03.120 saxophone there at the end of that chorus. And the 0:45:03.160 --> 0:45:05.239 reason I played that particular song. I mean, how many 0:45:05.320 --> 0:45:08.440 songs as could you play? From McCartney? What do you do? 0:45:09.239 --> 0:45:11.760 We've been listening to what the man has said for many, 0:45:11.800 --> 0:45:15.760 many generations eighty three today, Sir Paul McCartney, from Beatles 0:45:15.800 --> 0:45:18.799 to Wings, the solo work, it's been quite a contribution 0:45:18.960 --> 0:45:22.400 to not just music but culture in general. And we 0:45:22.440 --> 0:45:24.319 thought we'd get a bloke who likes him a bit, 0:45:25.280 --> 0:45:27.719 the great Dave Wilkins Wilco's gig guide of course as 0:45:27.719 --> 0:45:30.680 a regular on the John Stanley Show on Thursdays, and 0:45:31.000 --> 0:45:34.240 we thought no one better than Wilko, who's accomplished musician himself, 0:45:34.520 --> 0:45:36.279 to pass judgment on the McCartney era. 0:45:36.400 --> 0:45:38.960 Hello mate, to pass judgment. 0:45:39.360 --> 0:45:39.960 I love that. 0:45:40.239 --> 0:45:43.160 See how are you today, matean and hello to your listeners, 0:45:43.840 --> 0:45:47.680 what a great day eighty three years old, Paul McCartney, Wow. 0:45:47.120 --> 0:45:50.600 What is your experience? As in? I remember when I 0:45:50.680 --> 0:45:52.759 was a kid. My two sisters who are quite a 0:45:52.760 --> 0:45:54.680 bit older than me, one eleven years older, the other 0:45:54.719 --> 0:45:57.760 thirteen years older. They used to listen to forty five's 0:45:58.280 --> 0:46:00.840 on the old stereo at heart when I was just 0:46:00.880 --> 0:46:03.320 a baby, and I was hearing Beatles songs and a 0:46:03.360 --> 0:46:06.279 whole lot of other stuff from the sixties. And that 0:46:06.440 --> 0:46:08.759 was my introduction to the Beatles. And Paul McCartney, what 0:46:08.920 --> 0:46:10.800 was yours. 0:46:10.400 --> 0:46:15.160 Mate, I've got the greatest Beatles story ever. My mum, 0:46:15.440 --> 0:46:18.879 my dear departed mum. She told me only about ten 0:46:19.000 --> 0:46:22.680 years ago. She said, when I was born up in 0:46:22.760 --> 0:46:25.359 courage On in the mountains, there was all these bassinets 0:46:25.400 --> 0:46:28.680 and she said, which one's my son, And they said, 0:46:28.680 --> 0:46:30.680 it's the one that's rocking in the basinette to the 0:46:30.680 --> 0:46:37.880 Beatles song. And it's never stopped. I've been a McCartney 0:46:37.920 --> 0:46:43.640 fan forever. One of my earliest recollections of buying a 0:46:43.719 --> 0:46:46.839 vinyl album was I was in my single digits. I 0:46:46.920 --> 0:46:49.360 think I was at school and Venus and Mars was 0:46:49.360 --> 0:46:51.239 coming out, and I saved up all my coins and 0:46:52.040 --> 0:46:53.600 I went to the record store and bought that. I 0:46:53.680 --> 0:46:57.200 must have played that until it wore out. You know, 0:46:57.400 --> 0:46:59.560 it just was one side to the other. I could 0:46:59.640 --> 0:47:01.360 not stop listening to just amazing. 0:47:02.040 --> 0:47:05.040 It wasn't until I started digging deeper into the Beatles 0:47:05.160 --> 0:47:09.160 catalog and they started issuing stereo versions and remastered versions 0:47:09.200 --> 0:47:11.719 of their original albums. And I'll tell you what, if 0:47:11.719 --> 0:47:14.440 you haven't heard a lot of that stuff recently other 0:47:14.520 --> 0:47:17.160 than the big hits, and we'll go you'd know what 0:47:17.160 --> 0:47:18.960 I'm talking about. We don't want to get too detailed 0:47:18.960 --> 0:47:21.040 and too musical about it, but a lot of the 0:47:21.080 --> 0:47:24.080 stuff the Beatles came up with was later copied by 0:47:24.120 --> 0:47:26.920 a whole lot of They inspired so many other great 0:47:27.040 --> 0:47:32.480 musicians of the seventies and beyond whose sounds we thought, wow, 0:47:32.600 --> 0:47:34.399 that's cool. But then if you go back, you might 0:47:34.440 --> 0:47:36.680 find a back catalog song from the Beatles and one 0:47:36.719 --> 0:47:39.440 of their albums it wasn't well known, and you'll think, oh, crikey, 0:47:39.600 --> 0:47:40.480 they've already done that. 0:47:42.000 --> 0:47:46.240 You're absolutely spot on, Bill. I think you'd be hard 0:47:46.360 --> 0:47:49.440 pressed to put on any radio station around the planet, 0:47:49.560 --> 0:47:52.719 just on any minute of the day without finding the 0:47:52.800 --> 0:47:57.080 Beatles inspired or Paul McCartney or John Lennon inspired song 0:47:57.280 --> 0:48:00.920 or riff or melody or hook, and you know they 0:48:00.960 --> 0:48:03.799 had more hooks in the ktel fish and vision. Those guys, 0:48:04.080 --> 0:48:06.160 it's just unbelieved. They couldn't write a bad song. 0:48:06.239 --> 0:48:06.640 Good day. 0:48:07.320 --> 0:48:11.200 Lennon was, of course socially incredibly famous and you know, 0:48:11.360 --> 0:48:15.120 imagine was a big deal for a lot of people 0:48:15.160 --> 0:48:17.799 back in the day and that kind of swayed them 0:48:17.800 --> 0:48:20.520 in favor of him. But look, my personal view is 0:48:20.560 --> 0:48:25.960 I think McCartney has produced a lot more high quality work, notwithstanding, 0:48:25.960 --> 0:48:29.080 of course Lenin sadly what hasn't been with us as long. 0:48:29.160 --> 0:48:32.600 But you know, you were more. Do you think there's 0:48:32.640 --> 0:48:35.759 an argument there that McCartney was the greater contributor. I 0:48:35.760 --> 0:48:37.440 guess it probably doesn't matter in the long. 0:48:37.360 --> 0:48:40.399 Term, do you know. I mean, we've we've just been 0:48:40.480 --> 0:48:43.880 blessed by some footage over the last couple of years 0:48:43.920 --> 0:48:47.399 that there's been put together, you know, in those mini 0:48:47.440 --> 0:48:50.319 series that Disney brought out of the Beatles in the 0:48:50.360 --> 0:48:53.200 studio in and around their last couple of albums, and 0:48:53.239 --> 0:48:57.240 it just shows the contribution that Paul McCartney had over 0:48:57.600 --> 0:49:02.279 the band. And also you George Mark and he was 0:49:03.080 --> 0:49:06.279 definitely a standout and that I mean, you know, four incredible, 0:49:06.760 --> 0:49:11.120 incredibly talented musicians in that band, but Paul McCartney felt 0:49:11.360 --> 0:49:12.960 to me like he was the one in the last 0:49:12.960 --> 0:49:15.240 couple of albums that was making it all happen. 0:49:16.120 --> 0:49:18.759 And beyond that, of course you had Wings. Then he 0:49:18.800 --> 0:49:21.359 had some solo work as well. Wings got a lot 0:49:21.360 --> 0:49:23.839 of criticism because of well a lot of it was dude, 0:49:23.920 --> 0:49:27.239 Linda McCartney. That's all very strange people think, thinking she 0:49:27.400 --> 0:49:30.600 wasn't talented enough to play alongside her husband. But you know, 0:49:30.880 --> 0:49:33.239 all that aside, he went on to write many, many 0:49:33.280 --> 0:49:34.400 other great songs. 0:49:35.000 --> 0:49:38.680 No, just isn't it. It's just an encyclopedia of songs 0:49:38.840 --> 0:49:41.400 And if there's any aspiring songwriters out there, you just 0:49:41.440 --> 0:49:45.240 have to listen to any of those records from the sixties, seventies, eighties, 0:49:45.480 --> 0:49:47.680 and like I think the last one was only a 0:49:47.719 --> 0:49:50.880 couple of years ago, Bill that he's still contributing and 0:49:50.960 --> 0:49:55.360 writing to this day. You know what an incredible talent, 0:49:55.960 --> 0:49:58.920 you know, from Blackbird Yesterday Live and Let Die Hell 0:49:58.960 --> 0:50:01.439 to Skelet a Band on the Run, all those kind 0:50:01.480 --> 0:50:02.840 of songs, they're just amazing. 0:50:03.360 --> 0:50:05.480 Yep. There's a grammatical error in Live and Let Die 0:50:05.520 --> 0:50:09.160 which always bugs me in this ever changing world in 0:50:09.200 --> 0:50:12.600 which we live in, is grammatically incorrect. It bugs me. 0:50:12.960 --> 0:50:15.880 I don't know why. But anyway, apart from that, I 0:50:15.920 --> 0:50:18.359 love it. I love the song. But anyway, Look, the 0:50:18.400 --> 0:50:21.200 other thing about McCartney too is that he has been, 0:50:21.280 --> 0:50:24.320 as far as I know, very generous with a whole 0:50:24.320 --> 0:50:28.680 lot of other musicians of later generations. He happily collaborates, 0:50:28.719 --> 0:50:32.520 He involves himself with all sorts of people. And I 0:50:32.560 --> 0:50:34.200 think that legacy is important as. 0:50:34.080 --> 0:50:41.200 Well, without a doubt, that's a great word. Legacy is 0:50:41.280 --> 0:50:46.360 going to leave the most magnificent collection of songs, quite 0:50:46.360 --> 0:50:50.200 possibly in history. So we're talking about a guy that's 0:50:50.680 --> 0:50:54.759 paved the way for newer musicians. He's paved the way 0:50:54.800 --> 0:51:00.000 for technology, he's paved the way for touring. He's incredible 0:51:00.239 --> 0:51:03.719 and still active to this day, Like right now, he's 0:51:03.760 --> 0:51:06.359 out doing you know, he's on the road doing bits 0:51:06.360 --> 0:51:08.319 and pieces. You just wonder where this guy gets the 0:51:08.400 --> 0:51:09.120 energy from. 0:51:09.360 --> 0:51:13.600 And his breadth of work encompasses some pretty profound stuff. 0:51:13.680 --> 0:51:17.360 I mean, you look at yesterday for example, and some 0:51:17.760 --> 0:51:21.279 of it's simply profound. Literally, I mean that, yeah, and 0:51:21.880 --> 0:51:26.960 melodically the arrangements as well. And yet he wrote a 0:51:26.960 --> 0:51:29.560 bit of junk too. I mean there's some stuff on 0:51:29.680 --> 0:51:35.080 his albums. Particularly what was he doing when he recorded that? 0:51:36.160 --> 0:51:37.600 Who said that was a good idea? 0:51:38.120 --> 0:51:38.319 Well? 0:51:38.320 --> 0:51:40.840 He was known a couple of times for taking a 0:51:40.840 --> 0:51:42.400 bit of a token for wacking back. 0:51:43.560 --> 0:51:43.640 So. 0:51:45.400 --> 0:51:46.880 It was possible there. 0:51:47.560 --> 0:51:50.360 But it's funny you just say that that word arrangement 0:51:50.360 --> 0:51:52.839 in the songs, as you say and your intro there, 0:51:52.880 --> 0:51:55.239 you're a bit of a jazz head villain. The thing is, 0:51:55.320 --> 0:52:01.200 with jazz musicians and pop and rock, the arrangements really matter. 0:52:01.840 --> 0:52:04.960 They're everything in a song. And the arrangement song just 0:52:05.040 --> 0:52:07.120 just say live and let die. It has three or 0:52:07.160 --> 0:52:09.600 four different sections to that song, which are all equally 0:52:09.600 --> 0:52:13.359 as magnificent when you put them all together. Wow, they're 0:52:13.400 --> 0:52:16.680 just masterpieces. And he was great with getting bits and 0:52:16.680 --> 0:52:21.200 pieces of songs and putting them, gluing them together to 0:52:21.320 --> 0:52:25.440 become a hit. They're just his knack of arrangements was uncannon. 0:52:25.680 --> 0:52:29.080 Yeah, the intensity in that song, Yeah, the mood changes 0:52:29.120 --> 0:52:32.000 within that relatively short space of time. It's pretty well done. 0:52:32.320 --> 0:52:34.640 Do you know will go? If he wrote that was 0:52:34.680 --> 0:52:37.320 he commissioned to write that for the James Bond movie 0:52:37.440 --> 0:52:40.880 or was that a song that they They must have 0:52:40.920 --> 0:52:42.600 commission him to write it because it had the same 0:52:42.600 --> 0:52:44.319 title as the film, So yeah, it must have been 0:52:44.360 --> 0:52:44.640 a doubt. 0:52:45.719 --> 0:52:49.239 Definitely. Look without going to doctor Google here, I do 0:52:49.280 --> 0:52:53.160 believe that that was the case. And how well that 0:52:53.280 --> 0:52:57.719 fitted for that time and for that movie. That's just unbelievable. 0:52:57.760 --> 0:53:01.560 That section in the end with the orchestration, Wow, that's 0:53:01.640 --> 0:53:02.600 just mind boggling. 0:53:02.840 --> 0:53:06.160 Yeah, it is. It is amazing. And just quickly before 0:53:06.200 --> 0:53:08.719 I let you go, we've got news coming up. He's 0:53:08.760 --> 0:53:11.640 still performing in his eighties. And I said it before, 0:53:11.960 --> 0:53:14.120 I really regret not going to the concerts he did 0:53:14.120 --> 0:53:16.239 in Australia, and nearly everyone I knew seemed to be 0:53:16.239 --> 0:53:19.560 going to those concerts. Yeah, I can't remember why I didn't. 0:53:19.600 --> 0:53:21.040 There was a good reason for it at the time, 0:53:21.080 --> 0:53:26.560 but it's it's yeah, it's it was something special apparently 0:53:26.600 --> 0:53:28.479 for a guy that old Bill. 0:53:28.920 --> 0:53:30.600 I was really lucky enough to go in. I think 0:53:30.640 --> 0:53:33.919 it was November, memory serves me, November in twenty three 0:53:34.000 --> 0:53:37.160 and I was at in Sydney and it was there 0:53:37.239 --> 0:53:41.680 was a feeling amongst the audience, You're just in the 0:53:42.320 --> 0:53:46.400 presence of greatness, you know, and like the hour building 0:53:46.520 --> 0:53:49.880 up to the gig, it was just something euphoric. And 0:53:49.960 --> 0:53:52.080 then he got down on stage and he performed for 0:53:52.160 --> 0:53:55.879 three hours. He did I for the first time ever, 0:53:55.880 --> 0:53:59.359 did a duet with John Lennon. You know, thank God 0:53:59.520 --> 0:54:02.800 for a and technology. But I got a feeling with 0:54:03.560 --> 0:54:07.360 John Lennon and it was just one of those moments 0:54:07.360 --> 0:54:10.600 you're never ever going to forget. So yeah, it was 0:54:10.640 --> 0:54:12.239 a shame he didn't go to that, mate. I've been 0:54:12.280 --> 0:54:15.120 to a few McCartney shows and each one has just 0:54:15.200 --> 0:54:20.200 been just, you know, a life altering experience. Ever met him, 0:54:21.160 --> 0:54:22.000 I've never met him. 0:54:22.000 --> 0:54:22.560 Oh my god. 0:54:22.600 --> 0:54:25.600 I wish I had, but I'd probably be star struck. 0:54:25.640 --> 0:54:28.600 To me, I'd probably go into that world where'd say 0:54:28.640 --> 0:54:32.279 something really stupid. But no, I mate, I would have 0:54:32.320 --> 0:54:35.279 loved to have met the guy. But still time, he's 0:54:35.280 --> 0:54:37.320 still alive, and he's still picking and he's still. 0:54:37.160 --> 0:54:40.040 To one of our managers here. Lisa told us the 0:54:40.080 --> 0:54:42.560 story this morning that she was at the ABC at 0:54:42.600 --> 0:54:46.200 a loading dock and he'd made an appearance there apparently, 0:54:46.280 --> 0:54:48.680 and suddenly she was out there standing on the loading 0:54:48.719 --> 0:54:51.520 dock and next to her is Paul McCartney. She was 0:54:51.560 --> 0:54:55.520 twenty three at the time, and yeah, and they just 0:54:55.560 --> 0:54:58.200 had a little brief chat. His security guard was standing 0:54:58.200 --> 0:55:00.560 there making sure that you know, she wasn't a threat 0:55:00.600 --> 0:55:02.800 or anything. But he must have been taking the sneaky 0:55:02.840 --> 0:55:05.560 way out after an appearance there for some reason, and 0:55:05.880 --> 0:55:07.160 she ran into the leading doc. 0:55:08.440 --> 0:55:11.520 She'd, yeah, it's not the place she'd expect to meet 0:55:11.560 --> 0:55:16.520 somebody like that. But but yeah, from from all, from 0:55:16.600 --> 0:55:19.359 all instances, and the folks that I know that have 0:55:19.480 --> 0:55:21.160 met him, and they just say, is the most down 0:55:21.200 --> 0:55:26.680 to earth you know, easily talk to human being with 0:55:27.400 --> 0:55:30.000 And you love to hear that about your idols, don't 0:55:30.040 --> 0:55:33.400 you that that that they're just great human beings and 0:55:33.440 --> 0:55:35.520 want to share some time with you. I think that's 0:55:35.560 --> 0:55:38.520 a that's something that that some of the you know, 0:55:38.560 --> 0:55:41.840 the superstars that don't have, but he certainly does. 0:55:42.160 --> 0:55:46.239 And just before we go, Hi, Bill says Nick that 0:55:46.320 --> 0:55:48.480 line in Living that I always annoyed me too, But 0:55:48.520 --> 0:55:52.520 I wonder if it isn't in which we're living, you know, Nick, 0:55:52.800 --> 0:55:54.680 that's a good point. I've heard the song a million 0:55:54.760 --> 0:55:58.600 times and he's probably in which we're living. He's probably 0:55:58.640 --> 0:55:59.920 dropped the g as you would. 0:56:01.120 --> 0:56:02.600 There's a grammar problem there too. 0:56:02.760 --> 0:56:05.160 Come on, Yeah, but that's a good point Nick, and 0:56:05.200 --> 0:56:07.239 Albie says, if you're worried about grammatical errors, you might 0:56:07.239 --> 0:56:09.360 as well give up on music and poetry. Well, that 0:56:09.480 --> 0:56:12.200 was just a jarring one, Albie. I'm not totally against 0:56:12.239 --> 0:56:16.440 grammatical errors. Hey, I really appreciate your time. Welcome. We 0:56:16.440 --> 0:56:18.280 look forward to hearing you on the John Stanley Shelf 0:56:18.320 --> 0:56:19.680 course tomorrow night. 0:56:20.280 --> 0:56:22.480 Oh thanks for having me on today to talk about 0:56:22.760 --> 0:56:26.200 Paul McCartney because Jesse, He's an incredible human being and 0:56:26.239 --> 0:56:30.000 I've been a loyal fan for a very very long time. 0:56:30.239 --> 0:56:38.040 Good only mate, Thanks for coming in. Dave Wilkins, time 0:56:38.080 --> 0:56:40.600 for the news. Good afternoon, Aaron Mark, Good afternoon, Bill. 0:56:40.640 --> 0:56:43.520 Police have described a six hour sexual assault on a 0:56:43.600 --> 0:56:46.839 teenage girl as Hanus. Four teenagers have been charged over 0:56:46.880 --> 0:56:50.560 the attack, which started in Liverpool in December. 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It's 0:58:36.040 --> 0:58:36.680 twenty three to. 0:58:36.640 --> 0:58:43.240 Two now on afternoons, All Things Finance with Blake went 0:58:43.360 --> 0:58:47.760 from Pretzel Wealth. Organize your free consultation at Pretzelwealth dot 0:58:47.760 --> 0:58:48.680 com dot au. 0:58:49.400 --> 0:58:52.040 Yes, Blake is here. One three one eight seven three 0:58:52.200 --> 0:58:55.240 zero four six zero eight seven three eight seven three. 0:58:55.360 --> 0:58:59.960 He'll talk about anything you like relating to personal wealth finance. 0:59:00.080 --> 0:59:03.280 It's how are you mate, good mate, good yourself well? 0:59:03.400 --> 0:59:05.000 In a financial year, you'd be pretty. 0:59:04.800 --> 0:59:08.120 Busy, pretty busy, just trying to get contributions into super 0:59:08.160 --> 0:59:12.160 and move moneys around. So it's an exciting time. It 0:59:12.200 --> 0:59:15.400 certainly keeps me up at night, but it's all good fun. 0:59:15.880 --> 0:59:19.160 Yes, I think with the the unexpected, it's fair to 0:59:19.200 --> 0:59:23.520 say in some quarters speculation about interest rates going down, 0:59:23.960 --> 0:59:26.439 we'd have a lot of self undered retirees thinking, hmm, 0:59:27.000 --> 0:59:28.360 do I move my money around? 0:59:28.920 --> 0:59:30.720 Certainly, and you know some of the minutes that have 0:59:30.800 --> 0:59:34.040 come out from the RBA that there's question marks around okay, 0:59:34.280 --> 0:59:37.160 what you know if tariffs from the US come back online? 0:59:37.200 --> 0:59:40.440 What does that mean for us? And the market is 0:59:40.480 --> 0:59:44.120 starting to talk about potentially a July rate cut again. 0:59:44.280 --> 0:59:47.520 So it's it's interesting to see, you know, some of 0:59:47.520 --> 0:59:50.680 that commentary. We'll no closer to the date, of course 0:59:51.040 --> 0:59:53.240 what's happening there, But this is the theme now, Bill. 0:59:53.280 --> 0:59:57.120 It's interest rates are coming down. How quickly well, time 0:59:57.160 --> 1:00:00.280 will tell. But as they come down, that's great for 1:00:00.320 --> 1:00:04.760 mortgage holders. Not so great if you're a retiree with 1:00:04.840 --> 1:00:05.920 cash sitting in the bank. 1:00:06.240 --> 1:00:08.720 I've got three kids with mortgages. They know all about it. 1:00:08.840 --> 1:00:10.840 They're in their thirties. They're trying to pay it down 1:00:11.160 --> 1:00:13.520 and do it a pretty good job. They're disciplined about it, 1:00:13.560 --> 1:00:16.120 but hey, if you're a self under retiree with a 1:00:16.160 --> 1:00:18.720 short term deposit, and those sort of things are important. 1:00:18.920 --> 1:00:21.280 Leaving super side for a moment, but there's all those 1:00:21.280 --> 1:00:21.880 factors too. 1:00:22.160 --> 1:00:24.960 Certainly, you know you're now starting to think, Okay, do 1:00:25.040 --> 1:00:28.040 I leave my money in the high interest savings account? 1:00:28.280 --> 1:00:29.600 Do I leave it in cash sitting there? 1:00:29.680 --> 1:00:32.160 Yes, you might be getting a better interest rate than 1:00:32.200 --> 1:00:34.400 locking it up for twelve months, but maybe the term 1:00:34.440 --> 1:00:36.760 deposit or locking it up for a longer period of 1:00:36.800 --> 1:00:39.120 times the way to go, especially if we're thinking, well, 1:00:39.120 --> 1:00:40.640 there's going to be a few more rate cuts. So 1:00:41.120 --> 1:00:44.040 you know, whilst at the average i'd say twelve month 1:00:44.120 --> 1:00:49.120 term deposits sitting at about four percent, that's lower than 1:00:49.160 --> 1:00:50.800 what you can get in a high entred savings account, 1:00:50.840 --> 1:00:53.400 high indret savings accounts are sort of sitting around that 1:00:53.400 --> 1:00:55.440 four and a half to four point seventy five percent 1:00:55.720 --> 1:00:58.680 on average. Some are giving you bonus rates in the 1:00:58.720 --> 1:01:02.600 five still, but certainly this is on people's minds. They're saying, well, 1:01:02.680 --> 1:01:04.280 what do we do now? You know, this is the 1:01:04.280 --> 1:01:07.400 conversation we're having. As COVID was kicking on when they 1:01:07.440 --> 1:01:11.320 started cutting rates quite aggressively. Cash was effectively paying you 1:01:11.400 --> 1:01:15.520 nothing back then, and so alternatives had to be considered. 1:01:15.640 --> 1:01:18.800 Push people into the stock market, had to get money's invested. 1:01:19.400 --> 1:01:21.120 And I think that's where it's going to go again. 1:01:21.880 --> 1:01:24.200 And if so, for how long? That's the other thing 1:01:24.320 --> 1:01:26.040 tend to be question. That's a piece of string question 1:01:26.080 --> 1:01:28.120 obviously when it comes to the economy. It's twenty to 1:01:28.160 --> 1:01:30.960 two calls some text coming in already, mate, which is great. 1:01:31.360 --> 1:01:33.840 Thank you for not leaving it to the last minute, 1:01:33.840 --> 1:01:36.440 because we can't accommodate you. If you do so, we 1:01:36.520 --> 1:01:39.960 really appreciate it. Brian, well done, You're first in the queue. 1:01:39.960 --> 1:01:41.000 How can Blake help? 1:01:42.240 --> 1:01:48.680 It's good afternoon. Every year I put the maximum amount 1:01:48.720 --> 1:01:55.600 of concessional contribution into my super whereby the super by superparton, 1:01:55.680 --> 1:01:58.080 takes out fifteen percent of that and gives it to 1:01:58.120 --> 1:02:03.520 the government as tax. At the time of my death. 1:02:03.760 --> 1:02:07.520 If it's the person who gets my inheritance from my 1:02:07.680 --> 1:02:10.960 super is not my spouse, it is my children, they 1:02:11.000 --> 1:02:14.720 are potentially able to be charged by the government fifteen 1:02:14.800 --> 1:02:19.439 to seventy percent tax on that inheritance. What I want 1:02:19.520 --> 1:02:22.400 to know is, therefore I have what they call a 1:02:22.440 --> 1:02:27.560 taxable component in my superannuation fund, in my accumulation fund. 1:02:28.120 --> 1:02:32.760 How why do I have to pay additional will my 1:02:32.880 --> 1:02:35.320 children need to pay additional tax on that? Why is 1:02:35.360 --> 1:02:41.440 it called a taxable component? And how can I not 1:02:41.640 --> 1:02:42.560 be in that position? 1:02:42.840 --> 1:02:45.840 Okay, So this all comes back to how super was 1:02:45.880 --> 1:02:50.680 created and the treatment of tax under certain circumstances. 1:02:51.160 --> 1:02:51.880 So you're quite right. 1:02:51.960 --> 1:02:54.600 If you pass away and your super goes to your spouse, 1:02:54.720 --> 1:02:57.680 no tax on that on that amount. But if it 1:02:57.720 --> 1:03:02.080 goes to adult children, you're axible component will be taxed 1:03:02.120 --> 1:03:05.160 fifteen percent if it goes to them via the will 1:03:05.800 --> 1:03:10.280 or the estate. If you transfer the or the superinnuation 1:03:10.360 --> 1:03:12.840 ends up going to the children directly, so you nominate 1:03:12.880 --> 1:03:16.760 the children as beneficiaries on your superfund, then there is 1:03:16.800 --> 1:03:20.280 a fifteen percent rate of tax plus Medicare because obviously 1:03:20.560 --> 1:03:24.480 Medicare is important, so they slap on a two percent 1:03:24.520 --> 1:03:28.880 medicare charge on that. Getting around that, there's two ways. 1:03:28.960 --> 1:03:31.080 One is, if you're young enough, so under the age 1:03:31.120 --> 1:03:35.680 of seventy five, you could consider a recontribution strategy. Also 1:03:35.760 --> 1:03:39.040 subject to I suppose your total superbalance if you're less 1:03:39.080 --> 1:03:41.200 than one point nine million dollars at the moment you 1:03:41.200 --> 1:03:44.920 can do these recontribution strategies, moneys would come out of Super. 1:03:45.160 --> 1:03:49.480 Moneys would then go back into Super subject to contribution limits. 1:03:49.520 --> 1:03:51.880 So you can effectively get in one hundred and twenty 1:03:51.920 --> 1:03:54.720 thousand or three hundred and sixty thousand back into Super. 1:03:54.960 --> 1:04:00.760 So essentially money's out, money's in. If you're mindful that 1:04:01.080 --> 1:04:04.680 maybe there's not so much time left, you could withdraw 1:04:04.800 --> 1:04:07.360 Super in its entirety. So if you can pull the 1:04:07.400 --> 1:04:11.680 total balance out of Super, then that will negate any 1:04:11.720 --> 1:04:14.160 death taxes applicable superannuation. 1:04:14.560 --> 1:04:15.960 So two options. 1:04:16.160 --> 1:04:18.440 The second option really is a bit tricky because we 1:04:18.480 --> 1:04:21.680 don't know what time we've got left, and it's very 1:04:21.720 --> 1:04:25.600 difficult to sort of try to pinpoint that. So option 1:04:25.680 --> 1:04:29.440 one's the preferred option. Get some advice around this. Moneys 1:04:29.520 --> 1:04:32.280 need to leave Super, go back in, and when they 1:04:32.320 --> 1:04:36.200 go back in, it enters the tax free component, and 1:04:36.240 --> 1:04:38.760 when you pass away, it doesn't matter who gets the Super. 1:04:39.120 --> 1:04:42.880 If a component of that superannuation is tax free, there's 1:04:42.880 --> 1:04:46.360 no tax applicable to that. So, yeah, you quite make 1:04:46.960 --> 1:04:49.840 a good point. Bright not too many people are aware 1:04:49.880 --> 1:04:53.040 of this death tax that sits there in Super. Fifteen 1:04:53.080 --> 1:04:56.320 percent tax has been paid in. It's in a concessional environment. 1:04:56.560 --> 1:04:59.160 You're able to start income streams later on in life 1:04:59.200 --> 1:05:02.560 through retirement and enjoy the benefits of potentially having it 1:05:02.600 --> 1:05:06.120 all tax free. But the government certainly wants to take 1:05:06.160 --> 1:05:09.200 their share at the end. 1:05:08.720 --> 1:05:18.280 Would my superfund handle that reconstitute reconstribution amount? Would they 1:05:18.320 --> 1:05:20.120 do that or would I have to pay a financial 1:05:20.160 --> 1:05:21.040 advisor to do that? 1:05:21.520 --> 1:05:22.120 They can help you. 1:05:22.160 --> 1:05:25.440 They would have financial advisors that can assist with that strategy. 1:05:25.480 --> 1:05:28.200 You may have to pay for the advice from the superfund, 1:05:28.360 --> 1:05:33.000 but I would always encourage getting some advice around that, 1:05:33.040 --> 1:05:34.880 because you don't want to sort of pull too much 1:05:34.880 --> 1:05:38.160 out of super can't get it back in, and so 1:05:38.320 --> 1:05:39.880 have a chat with the super fund. They may be 1:05:39.960 --> 1:05:42.680 able to point you in the right direction, but they 1:05:42.840 --> 1:05:44.560 may end up saying, look, go speak to one of 1:05:44.560 --> 1:05:47.000 our advisors and there may be a charge for that. 1:05:48.080 --> 1:05:49.600 Okay, very helpful, Thank you, Blake. 1:05:49.680 --> 1:05:52.720 Thanks Brian, Good luck, Brian. I think we'll probably you've 1:05:52.720 --> 1:05:54.280 probably answered a lot of this next one on the 1:05:54.320 --> 1:05:57.120 text line, Blake, but it might be slightly different, so 1:05:57.600 --> 1:05:59.720 I'll ask it anyway. This is from Robin who says, 1:05:59.760 --> 1:06:02.240 I have a SUPER account where I have nominated my 1:06:02.320 --> 1:06:05.880 two sons as fifty percent each beneficiaries. I understand they 1:06:05.880 --> 1:06:07.919 would need to pay tax at their current tax rate 1:06:08.000 --> 1:06:10.800 once the funds were distributed to them. However, if it 1:06:10.840 --> 1:06:13.400 was paid to my estate instead, are they still liable 1:06:13.440 --> 1:06:13.880 for tax? 1:06:14.520 --> 1:06:16.880 So the simple answers, yes, they would be liable for 1:06:16.960 --> 1:06:20.800 tax irrespective, but it's not at their marginal tax rates. 1:06:20.840 --> 1:06:23.800 It's at a captu rate of fifteen percent. However, if 1:06:23.800 --> 1:06:27.960 it goes the goes to your sons directly, there's a 1:06:27.960 --> 1:06:31.240 fifteen percent rate of tax plus two percent medicare levy. 1:06:31.360 --> 1:06:32.640 So terribly important. 1:06:32.680 --> 1:06:35.640 Whilst you can to try to clean up the death tax, 1:06:36.360 --> 1:06:38.800 of course, we need to have access to SUPER. So 1:06:39.000 --> 1:06:41.240 generally speaking, over the age of sixty, if you've med 1:06:41.240 --> 1:06:45.000 a conditioner or release, you can access SUPER. Or be 1:06:45.120 --> 1:06:48.040 sixty five years of age and still working, that's fine, 1:06:48.560 --> 1:06:50.720 but you have to do this before turning seventy five. 1:06:50.800 --> 1:06:53.640 So terribly important to get this right and get this 1:06:54.320 --> 1:06:58.160 completed in time, otherwise there might be some taxes paid 1:06:58.200 --> 1:06:59.400 in it. At the end of the day, it just 1:06:59.440 --> 1:07:03.120 means less money going to kids or whoever you're intending 1:07:03.400 --> 1:07:05.320 whoever you're intending to have the money's go to. 1:07:05.800 --> 1:07:07.840 We're talking to Blake went from Pretzel Wealth. This is 1:07:07.880 --> 1:07:11.080 of course his regular segment on the Michael McLaren Show. 1:07:11.080 --> 1:07:13.080 It's fourteen to two. We'll be right back one three 1:07:13.160 --> 1:07:15.680 one eight seven three or on the text line zero 1:07:15.720 --> 1:07:18.160 four six, zero eight seven three eight seven three. Blake 1:07:18.200 --> 1:07:20.439 wentz with us from Pretzel Wealth at eleven to two, 1:07:20.560 --> 1:07:22.840 and we've got Mark on the line with another question 1:07:22.880 --> 1:07:25.600 for you. A lot of super questions today, which is understandable, 1:07:25.600 --> 1:07:27.880 I suppose, with all that's all the talk around from 1:07:27.920 --> 1:07:28.600 the federal government. 1:07:28.640 --> 1:07:32.640 Good a Mark, Yeah, good afternoon, Thanks for taking my call. 1:07:33.000 --> 1:07:35.600 I've just got a question in relation to a self 1:07:35.640 --> 1:07:39.480 managed super superannuation fund that I've got set up, which 1:07:40.320 --> 1:07:42.880 I've got with two other family members and or all trustees. 1:07:43.880 --> 1:07:46.280 Next year when we meet a condition to release and 1:07:46.320 --> 1:07:50.440 move it from accumulation into pension phase. We have a 1:07:50.480 --> 1:07:53.880 property within the fund. If we were to sell that 1:07:54.000 --> 1:07:58.120 property next year when it's moved into pension phase, is 1:07:58.160 --> 1:08:01.720 a coupital gains tax free with the mediate effect, or 1:08:01.800 --> 1:08:05.960 is there like a waiting period before it becomes capital 1:08:05.960 --> 1:08:08.400 gains tax free? Once the property involved. 1:08:08.480 --> 1:08:09.919 So there's a few things here. 1:08:09.960 --> 1:08:13.200 So one you've mentioned that there's other family members involved 1:08:13.200 --> 1:08:17.960 in the super fund. So generally speaking, all members would 1:08:17.960 --> 1:08:20.479 need to be in pension phase in order to sell 1:08:20.520 --> 1:08:24.200 the asset tax free. There may be a path for 1:08:24.360 --> 1:08:27.400 segregating assets, but often is the case that that's a 1:08:27.439 --> 1:08:31.280 little bit too tricky to pull off. But generally speaking, 1:08:31.320 --> 1:08:33.880 all members should be in pension phase if you're trying 1:08:33.880 --> 1:08:37.080 to sell it capital gains tax free. The second one 1:08:37.200 --> 1:08:40.640 is just around the timing. So what we want to 1:08:40.680 --> 1:08:44.040 do is, if we're not segregating the assets inside the 1:08:44.040 --> 1:08:46.960 self managed super fund, we want to be in pension 1:08:46.960 --> 1:08:50.080 phase for the full financial year, so that means from 1:08:50.080 --> 1:08:52.760 one July right through to thirtieth June. We want to 1:08:52.760 --> 1:08:56.160 be in pension phase through that period because it means 1:08:56.160 --> 1:08:58.240 that one hundred percent of the time, one hundred percent 1:08:58.280 --> 1:09:01.360 of the assets are in in pension phase. So that 1:09:01.439 --> 1:09:06.800 way you're selling the asset completely takes free. If, for example, 1:09:07.040 --> 1:09:09.880 you were to go into pension phase on the first 1:09:09.880 --> 1:09:15.040 of January, well only half of that time that's elapsed 1:09:15.080 --> 1:09:18.599 throughout that financial year has been in pension phase, and 1:09:18.680 --> 1:09:22.160 so only half of the game will be wiped essentially, 1:09:22.280 --> 1:09:25.080 so there still could be some capital gains. So two 1:09:25.120 --> 1:09:27.320 things to keep in mind, Mark One is all members 1:09:27.360 --> 1:09:29.960 need to be in pension phase and the second one 1:09:30.040 --> 1:09:31.680 is all members need to be in pension phase for 1:09:31.720 --> 1:09:34.760 the full financial year, so just be cautious of that. 1:09:34.800 --> 1:09:37.560 Speak to your accountant or the self many superfund administrator. 1:09:37.600 --> 1:09:40.000 They'll be able to guide you as to what the 1:09:40.040 --> 1:09:44.080 possible outcomes will look like. But it's a very common strategy. 1:09:44.080 --> 1:09:46.960 You've got money in super you've got an asset a 1:09:47.040 --> 1:09:51.959 house potentially in soup. You wait until getting to retirement 1:09:51.960 --> 1:09:55.320 phase to then sell that asset. Capital gains tax free, 1:09:55.320 --> 1:09:57.240 so it's a good move on that side. 1:09:58.240 --> 1:10:00.320 Okay, So essentially you've got to hang on under it 1:10:00.439 --> 1:10:03.880 when you're in pension phase for a good twelve months. 1:10:04.160 --> 1:10:07.120 No sorry sorry, Marky can sell that straight away. But 1:10:07.400 --> 1:10:09.880 what needs to have happened is you're all in pension 1:10:09.920 --> 1:10:11.920 phase from the start of the financial year, so you 1:10:11.920 --> 1:10:13.679 don't have to hold onto it for the full twelve months. 1:10:13.720 --> 1:10:16.880 You could sell at any time. It's mainly around how 1:10:16.920 --> 1:10:20.840 the members are structured in the superfund that matters. More so, 1:10:20.840 --> 1:10:23.639 so that property could be sold, but just make sure 1:10:23.680 --> 1:10:26.320 you're all in pension phase for the full financial. 1:10:25.960 --> 1:10:29.360 Year, for the full financial year. Okay, great, all right, 1:10:29.400 --> 1:10:30.920 thank you very much, Matte. 1:10:31.160 --> 1:10:33.760 Thanks for you col mate. Good luck with that. We'll 1:10:33.760 --> 1:10:35.280 try and rip through some of these questions on the 1:10:35.280 --> 1:10:37.840 text line Blake, with only a few minutes remaining, I 1:10:37.880 --> 1:10:41.679 wonder how many people actually understand how unitized super funds operate, 1:10:41.760 --> 1:10:45.280 says Michael, for example, incurring capital gains tax for other 1:10:45.360 --> 1:10:47.960 members cashing out. Does Blake have an opinion on switching 1:10:48.240 --> 1:10:49.920 to an ETF based superfund? 1:10:50.160 --> 1:10:54.000 So unitized fund so industry funds? Just think of industry funds. 1:10:54.000 --> 1:10:56.799 There you're all in the pool together, so you're sharing 1:10:57.680 --> 1:11:00.920 tax benefits and tax consequences us apart. So something to 1:11:00.960 --> 1:11:02.760 bear in mind. If you don't like that idea, then 1:11:03.000 --> 1:11:06.840 consider switching ETF super fund. So there's Vanguard who offer 1:11:07.080 --> 1:11:10.639 ETFs via super Look, you can consider that low cost 1:11:10.680 --> 1:11:14.040 way of investing funds. Before you do anything, just get 1:11:14.040 --> 1:11:17.000 some advice around. Is that the right move? There may 1:11:17.040 --> 1:11:20.400 be some things that you need to consider. Are you 1:11:20.479 --> 1:11:23.479 invested correctly? Do they invest on your behalf? Do you 1:11:23.560 --> 1:11:25.880 have to choose the investment? So just get some advice 1:11:25.960 --> 1:11:26.559 before moving. 1:11:27.439 --> 1:11:29.400 David has a question on the text line, could you 1:11:29.439 --> 1:11:32.320 advise how long I get to sell my deceased mother's 1:11:32.320 --> 1:11:35.559 house without playing capital gains taxes exactly? Is it exactly 1:11:35.600 --> 1:11:38.400 two years from her death or is it the rest 1:11:38.400 --> 1:11:41.280 of the financial year plus two full financial years. 1:11:41.760 --> 1:11:43.560 Yep, that's a good question. It's two years from the 1:11:43.640 --> 1:11:46.840 date of death. So if you go beyond two years 1:11:46.880 --> 1:11:48.880 from the date of death, what ends up happening is 1:11:49.360 --> 1:11:52.280 the price of the property, as the date of death 1:11:52.920 --> 1:11:56.400 is the cost base of that property, and so whatever 1:11:56.479 --> 1:11:59.720 you sell it for beyond that point, there may be 1:11:59.760 --> 1:12:02.280 some capital gainst tax on that portion, not from when 1:12:02.600 --> 1:12:05.320 a parent or a loved one purchased the property originally. 1:12:05.560 --> 1:12:08.280 Les wants to know, would my children need to pay 1:12:08.360 --> 1:12:10.639 tax with a funeral plan pay out when I die 1:12:10.840 --> 1:12:12.040 it's not in super. 1:12:12.240 --> 1:12:14.519 Generally tax free funeral plans. 1:12:14.600 --> 1:12:14.840 Yes. 1:12:15.120 --> 1:12:17.080 Maryland wants to know. Only heard the very end of 1:12:17.080 --> 1:12:20.240 the beneficiary's entitlement to superinheritance today. Is there somewhere I 1:12:20.280 --> 1:12:23.519 can hear this interview again as a podcast, Yes, I 1:12:23.560 --> 1:12:25.639 think Joel. It'll be up pretty soon after the show's 1:12:25.640 --> 1:12:28.720 finished on the two GB website. Maryland, so you can 1:12:28.760 --> 1:12:31.880 get all that. How do you declare your in pension 1:12:31.960 --> 1:12:34.920 age or pension phase? I think they mean with a 1:12:34.960 --> 1:12:36.000 self managed superfund. 1:12:36.240 --> 1:12:38.720 Okay, so this is paperwork, so speak to the administrator. 1:12:38.760 --> 1:12:40.840 There may be some minutes that need to be signed 1:12:40.840 --> 1:12:43.800 off on, but you're effectively making a self declaration to 1:12:43.880 --> 1:12:46.280 yourself because you are the superfund essentially. 1:12:46.640 --> 1:12:48.479 And I think we've got just enough time to answer 1:12:48.520 --> 1:12:51.719 one more question. Tom wants to know working full time, 1:12:52.120 --> 1:12:55.439 can my employer still put in contributions after I'm seventy 1:12:55.439 --> 1:12:56.400 five years of age. 1:12:56.760 --> 1:12:59.880 Yes, the employer can put in superfund. So as long 1:12:59.880 --> 1:13:03.040 as it's part of your agreements. You're not sort of 1:13:03.200 --> 1:13:06.519 a contract or anything like that. You're employed on a 1:13:06.520 --> 1:13:09.160 full time, part time casual basis and you're entitled to 1:13:09.200 --> 1:13:11.200 super Yes, super guarantee comes through. 1:13:11.760 --> 1:13:15.559 Okay, Now, don't forget Blake from Pretzel Wealth. We'll be 1:13:15.560 --> 1:13:18.960 back at this time next week, so make sure if 1:13:18.960 --> 1:13:20.920 you haven't got any if you haven't been able to 1:13:20.920 --> 1:13:22.920 get a question in today, you'll get a chance when 1:13:23.120 --> 1:13:25.880 Michael comes back and we do this segment again next week. Blake, 1:13:25.920 --> 1:13:27.439 thank you very much for coming in. Made all the 1:13:27.439 --> 1:13:29.400 best pleasure. Good to see out there. He is Blake 1:13:29.439 --> 1:13:31.479 went from Pretzel Wealth. I'll be back to tell you 1:13:31.520 --> 1:13:33.880 what's happening in the final hour coming up. After the news, 1:13:33.880 --> 1:13:34.840 we'll get back to the text. 1:13:34.840 --> 1:13:34.960 Lon. 1:13:35.000 --> 1:13:38.360 We've got some lovely stuff on the Paul McCartney connection, 1:13:38.520 --> 1:13:41.960 including more debate over the lyrics Live and Let Die. 1:13:41.960 --> 1:13:44.200 But we sorted it out. We've sorted it out. I 1:13:44.400 --> 1:13:46.479 was wrong, but it's just the way Paul sings it. 1:13:46.560 --> 1:13:49.280 Had me thrown. We'll talk to Danita Warren, CEO of 1:13:49.320 --> 1:13:51.960 Master Builders about their plans to call on the federal 1:13:52.000 --> 1:13:55.160 government to unlock productivity. Good luck with that. We need 1:13:55.160 --> 1:13:57.760 to build more homes. Master Builders are on it, but 1:13:57.800 --> 1:14:00.679 we'll find out what Dnita has to say. Also Matthew Wilson, 1:14:00.680 --> 1:14:03.880 who's from Road Maintenance Partnerships to Transport near South Wales. 1:14:04.200 --> 1:14:06.400 How are they maintaining the bridge these days? Is it 1:14:06.400 --> 1:14:09.000 getting tougher or easier? It looks a bit rusty at 1:14:09.000 --> 1:14:10.799 the moment, so I reckon we'd you for a repaint. 1:14:10.840 --> 1:14:13.680 But we'll find out more about that and we'll have 1:14:13.720 --> 1:14:15.120 the wind a wheel track of the day and a 1:14:15.120 --> 1:14:18.000 whole lot more. Hope you can stick with us now 1:14:18.240 --> 1:14:20.840 onto gb and network stations. 1:14:21.200 --> 1:14:24.840 Back to afternoons with Bill Woods filling. 1:14:24.520 --> 1:14:30.080 In from Mango. McLaren, thank you for being with us 1:14:30.160 --> 1:14:32.479 this afternoon. In case you've only just caught up with us, 1:14:32.479 --> 1:14:35.800 Michael has family matters to attend to. He's well, but 1:14:35.880 --> 1:14:38.280 he will be back on Friday, we understand, so I'll 1:14:38.320 --> 1:14:40.920 be filling in for the rest of this afternoon and 1:14:41.120 --> 1:14:44.200 tomorrow's program. Will talk shortly to the CEO of Master 1:14:44.240 --> 1:14:47.800 Billders Australia Tonit or Warn and they want some action 1:14:47.880 --> 1:14:51.040 from the federal government. They have what they call bold ideas. 1:14:51.080 --> 1:14:54.439 We'll hear from them and hopefully we can, as they say, 1:14:54.600 --> 1:15:00.280 unlock this frozen building productivity. The building industry in a 1:15:00.400 --> 1:15:03.960 quite a state. Actually, we had these measurements of how 1:15:04.000 --> 1:15:07.320 well the economy's going, and invariably, as governments do, they 1:15:07.360 --> 1:15:09.680 trot out the ones that sound good, but there are 1:15:09.720 --> 1:15:13.040 many other measurements that aren't looking too good at the moment, 1:15:13.200 --> 1:15:16.000 and that's one of them. Not to mention the fact 1:15:16.040 --> 1:15:19.240 that we need more housing. Clinton maynardel join us, you'll 1:15:19.280 --> 1:15:21.479 drop in, tell us what's happening in Sydney. Now, Big 1:15:21.479 --> 1:15:24.120 show again this afternoon we'll also have a chat as 1:15:24.120 --> 1:15:26.200 we normally do at this time of the day with 1:15:26.240 --> 1:15:29.920 Scott Phillips, the Motley Fool. Matthew Wilson's the executive director 1:15:29.960 --> 1:15:34.040 of Road Maintenance Partnerships for Transport New South Wales. How 1:15:34.040 --> 1:15:36.200 are they going with maintenance of the Harbor Bridge? It 1:15:36.280 --> 1:15:39.360 just occurred to me today driving across the bridge seeing 1:15:39.360 --> 1:15:43.280 some pretty big rust patches. How has that evolved over 1:15:43.320 --> 1:15:45.759 the years. Is it harder or easier now to maintain 1:15:45.800 --> 1:15:48.760 the Harbor Bridge. We've got obviously evolving technology when it 1:15:48.800 --> 1:15:52.559 comes to paints and other coatings and treatments for the bridge, 1:15:52.800 --> 1:15:54.880 but it is a big hunt hunk of metal hanging 1:15:54.920 --> 1:15:58.760 over salt water, so it needs constant work. And we'll 1:15:58.760 --> 1:16:00.840 find out how we go about that these days, and 1:16:00.880 --> 1:16:03.400 whether they've got any revolutionary new ways of doing it, 1:16:03.760 --> 1:16:07.000 and what the greater traffic problems that we have in 1:16:07.000 --> 1:16:08.880 this city despite the fact that we've got a second 1:16:08.920 --> 1:16:13.920 tunnel being built, you know, do those traffic problems cause 1:16:14.040 --> 1:16:16.160 more difficulties when it comes to looking after the old 1:16:16.160 --> 1:16:18.680 coat hanger anyway, all that's just ahead of us. In 1:16:18.720 --> 1:16:21.800 the meantime, we've got our footy tips with Chuck now 1:16:22.280 --> 1:16:25.639 Chuk or Clawed, as is well known, is Michael's regular 1:16:25.680 --> 1:16:28.719 tipster on a Wednesday, and I have in fact filled 1:16:28.760 --> 1:16:31.320 in for Michael before and we've had Chuck on the program. 1:16:31.360 --> 1:16:33.840 He's not available today, but I will be able to 1:16:33.840 --> 1:16:36.400 give you his tips. So if you are ready with 1:16:36.520 --> 1:16:38.400 pencil in hand or whatever it is you write with 1:16:38.439 --> 1:16:43.640 in this technological age, fingers and thumbs on your keypad, 1:16:44.439 --> 1:16:47.519 We've got Chuck's tips, starting with State of Origin, where 1:16:47.520 --> 1:16:50.679 he's tipping the Blues to win, but by nine points. 1:16:51.320 --> 1:16:53.960 It's an unusual margin, isn't it, Considering in the first 1:16:54.000 --> 1:16:56.439 match it should have been a lot more than what 1:16:56.560 --> 1:16:59.920 it was due to the strangeness of their goal kicking. 1:17:00.479 --> 1:17:03.960 It was such a dominant performance and yet No only 1:17:04.000 --> 1:17:06.400 won by a couple of converted tries in the end. Anyway, 1:17:06.800 --> 1:17:09.439 the Morons have massive incentive to bounce back. There's been 1:17:09.479 --> 1:17:12.479 all this toing and frowing the whole Aaron Woods Billy 1:17:12.520 --> 1:17:15.360 Slayter saga that got very out of hand and unfortunate, 1:17:15.840 --> 1:17:18.800 very sad to have to bring the name of Paul 1:17:18.840 --> 1:17:23.800 Green into that conversation, unwittingly, I assume, but nevertheless it 1:17:23.840 --> 1:17:27.120 happened and I hope that doesn't sour things up too much. 1:17:27.160 --> 1:17:30.479 But to Queensland need any more incentive than their performance 1:17:30.520 --> 1:17:33.479 in the first game anyway, Blues by nine according to Chuk. 1:17:33.520 --> 1:17:36.040 Now let's get onto the NRL itself. We've got the Tigers. 1:17:36.040 --> 1:17:39.800 That's Michael's team playing the Raiders. Not an easy game 1:17:39.840 --> 1:17:42.719 for them, it has to be said. Thirteenth versus second, 1:17:43.000 --> 1:17:46.280 Chuck tips the Raiders there for the match between the 1:17:46.280 --> 1:17:48.639 Warriors and the Panthers, how well are the Warriors looking 1:17:49.320 --> 1:17:53.719 the Warriors and the Dolphins anyway? Warriors is Chuck's tip 1:17:53.800 --> 1:17:56.840 against Penrith, and when it comes to the Dolphins he 1:17:56.880 --> 1:17:59.360 also tips them to beat Newcastle. Pretty hard to go 1:17:59.439 --> 1:18:03.000 past those tips. Then it comes to rabbit Os and Storm. 1:18:04.000 --> 1:18:07.280 Now I thought the rabbit Os, even though I'm a 1:18:07.320 --> 1:18:11.000 Canterbury supporter, were flatted by that score on the weekend. 1:18:11.120 --> 1:18:13.639 They were completely dominated in that match and still found 1:18:13.680 --> 1:18:16.360 a way to get very close to beating Canterbury through 1:18:16.360 --> 1:18:20.960 sheer will. They defended extremely well, scramble well and that 1:18:21.000 --> 1:18:24.080 twenty five minute delay for lightning didn't help the Bulldogs 1:18:24.080 --> 1:18:26.719 because they're a team that tends to wear the opposition down, 1:18:26.800 --> 1:18:29.880 so having had a rest the rabbit O's came out 1:18:29.920 --> 1:18:31.679 and made a game of it. But anyway, they're playing 1:18:31.680 --> 1:18:34.320 the Storm and Chuck's tip is the Storm, and I 1:18:34.320 --> 1:18:37.240 think that's a fair tip. Now onto the Broncos game 1:18:37.280 --> 1:18:42.040 against the Sharks. That's an interesting one. Seventh playing fifth, 1:18:42.640 --> 1:18:46.759 arguably the best game of the round, and Chuck tips 1:18:46.800 --> 1:18:49.479 the Broncos. Then we move on too the game between 1:18:49.479 --> 1:18:52.120 the Roosters and the Cowboys. Fairly big round this weekend. 1:18:52.120 --> 1:18:55.240 A few teams get the bye, but Roosters and Cowboys. 1:18:55.560 --> 1:18:58.720 Chooks tipping the Roosters to win that one. That's eighth 1:18:58.840 --> 1:19:01.519 versus tenth should be a good though. And Paramount are 1:19:01.520 --> 1:19:05.200 playing the Titans. The Eels not looking too bad and 1:19:05.280 --> 1:19:10.719 the Titans looking well. It's sixteenth versus seventeenth, but both 1:19:10.720 --> 1:19:12.920 teams actually starting to look a bit better. Let's put 1:19:12.960 --> 1:19:15.320 it that way. We don't get too excited about it. 1:19:15.479 --> 1:19:18.040 Chucks tipping the Titans there. That might upset a few 1:19:18.040 --> 1:19:21.200 Paramatta fans. So there you go. Chuck's tips for the 1:19:21.240 --> 1:19:28.800 weekend at twelve past two. Now we'll talk to the 1:19:28.840 --> 1:19:30.559 Master Builders and just a tick. But I did promise 1:19:30.600 --> 1:19:33.120 to go back to the text line so thank you 1:19:33.520 --> 1:19:35.880 for hanging in there. And Mitch and a whole bunch 1:19:35.880 --> 1:19:38.719 of other people have been digging into their search engines 1:19:38.760 --> 1:19:41.639 to check the lyrics of Live and Let Die and 1:19:43.000 --> 1:19:46.360 if this ever changing world in which we're living is 1:19:46.360 --> 1:19:49.000 the actual lyric, which of course I stupidly never bothered 1:19:49.040 --> 1:19:51.599 to check. But I've just heard the way Sir Paul 1:19:51.640 --> 1:19:53.280 sings it a number of times and I thought it 1:19:53.360 --> 1:19:56.600 was a bit grammatically incorrect. But there you go. So 1:19:57.160 --> 1:19:59.760 a lot of people have sorted that out. For me, 1:20:00.600 --> 1:20:03.439 I feel so much better now. I can sleep tonight. 1:20:04.600 --> 1:20:07.519 But it's funny that you get hooked on those things. 1:20:08.160 --> 1:20:11.240 The other thing about song lyrics, and this is probably 1:20:11.280 --> 1:20:14.120 a discussion we might hold over for tomorrow, is what 1:20:14.280 --> 1:20:17.000 is the song lyric that you got wrong? For so 1:20:17.200 --> 1:20:20.400 long you thought they were singing one thing, but they 1:20:20.400 --> 1:20:24.200 are actually singing something else. That's another funny chat which 1:20:24.200 --> 1:20:25.880 we might leave for tomorrow because we don't have a 1:20:25.920 --> 1:20:27.479 lot of time in this last down. I've got plenty 1:20:27.479 --> 1:20:30.000 of things to do, so we might get onto that 1:20:30.000 --> 1:20:32.840 one tomorrow. If our team can remember that, we might 1:20:32.880 --> 1:20:37.160 bring that up because there's some very funny examples. What 1:20:37.240 --> 1:20:39.000 was that one our lips are sealed. A lot of 1:20:39.040 --> 1:20:42.120 people thought it was Albert the Seal. It was a 1:20:42.560 --> 1:20:44.639 like a kid's story or something. Anyway, there's a million 1:20:44.640 --> 1:20:47.280 of them. My son lived in London, says Steve, and 1:20:47.320 --> 1:20:49.599 met Robbie Williams in a club. He used to ring 1:20:49.640 --> 1:20:51.519 my son and put him on the VIP list. He 1:20:51.600 --> 1:20:54.320 was a great guy. There you go. That's a big 1:20:54.360 --> 1:20:58.200 touch with greatness. There's a bit on the internet that 1:20:58.240 --> 1:21:01.240 says Ray where ringos saying that they would be lying 1:21:01.240 --> 1:21:03.880 around at someone's house this is the Beatles, and the 1:21:03.920 --> 1:21:05.519 phone would ring and they'd look at each other and 1:21:05.560 --> 1:21:08.599 say it's him, referring to Paul McCartney being a hard 1:21:08.680 --> 1:21:12.200 task master. Interesting, thank you, Ray. John Lennon isn't even 1:21:12.240 --> 1:21:15.639 the second best Beatles, says Greg something my sweet lord, 1:21:15.680 --> 1:21:19.559 while my guitar gently weeps. George Harrison says Greg is 1:21:19.600 --> 1:21:22.280 the Well, he's either the second best or the best 1:21:22.280 --> 1:21:25.519 according to Greg. Hard to disagree with that, but anyway, 1:21:25.520 --> 1:21:29.360 it's all a matter of opinion. Enjoying your show. Paul 1:21:29.439 --> 1:21:32.600 McCartney's been my musical hero for exactly sixty years. What 1:21:32.680 --> 1:21:34.759 a genius and a lovely guy. No one comes close 1:21:34.800 --> 1:21:37.760 to this test. Thank you great to hear you again, 1:21:37.800 --> 1:21:40.120 says Will Tom Scott in the La Express superb on 1:21:40.160 --> 1:21:43.479 the live Jney Mitchell album Live Miles of Ales, and 1:21:43.479 --> 1:21:46.120 he's also recommended a John Coltrane live album for me. 1:21:46.160 --> 1:21:48.880 Thank you, Will and other music Officionado and jazz Lover 1:21:49.280 --> 1:21:51.439 and this one. I share the same birthday as Paul, 1:21:51.479 --> 1:21:53.559 says Sylvia went to see them at the airport in 1:21:53.600 --> 1:21:55.920 the rain with all the hundreds of screaming girls. Had 1:21:55.960 --> 1:21:59.960 my Beatles, boots and hat. Wow, so thrilling. That is 1:22:00.160 --> 1:22:02.160 a memory, Silvia, which I guess at the time you 1:22:02.240 --> 1:22:05.200 probably didn't think too much more about, but in hindsight 1:22:05.880 --> 1:22:13.080 something special part of history. Quarter past two more texts 1:22:13.120 --> 1:22:14.880 have been flowing in as well, which I will get 1:22:14.920 --> 1:22:17.599 to soon if you don't mind. We all know people 1:22:17.640 --> 1:22:19.720 are struggling to find builders of any kind to get 1:22:19.760 --> 1:22:23.320 construction work done. It's not easy. The good ones are 1:22:23.400 --> 1:22:25.880 very busy, as is always the case, but we're being 1:22:25.920 --> 1:22:29.799 told that profit margins have all but disappeared as builders 1:22:29.840 --> 1:22:33.320 are dealing with ongoing supply chain disruptions, material costs, fixed 1:22:33.360 --> 1:22:36.960 price contracts that no longer reflect the realities of the market, 1:22:37.200 --> 1:22:39.479 and the big thing with fixed price contracts obviously is 1:22:39.479 --> 1:22:43.120 that their labor costs are going up as well. According 1:22:43.120 --> 1:22:46.759 to Master Builders Australia, productivity in the industry has fallen 1:22:46.840 --> 1:22:49.559 eighteen percent over the last decade, despite the cost of 1:22:49.560 --> 1:22:52.640 building a home rising by more than forty percent, and 1:22:52.680 --> 1:22:56.120 they want the federal government to unlock that productivity now 1:22:56.439 --> 1:22:58.960 through a whole bunch of suggestions that they're calling bold 1:22:59.000 --> 1:23:01.799 practical reforms that will make a real difference. Well, Anita 1:23:01.840 --> 1:23:03.880 warn is the CEO of Master Builders and she's on 1:23:03.920 --> 1:23:05.879 the line. Anita, thanks for your time. 1:23:06.680 --> 1:23:07.559 Good afternoon, Bill. 1:23:08.040 --> 1:23:10.519 Bold practical reforms now, that's a lot to ask of 1:23:10.600 --> 1:23:12.720 any government. They tend to be very cautious when it 1:23:12.760 --> 1:23:15.120 comes to reinventing the wheel. 1:23:15.479 --> 1:23:19.360 What are they well, I think, first and foremost, it's 1:23:19.360 --> 1:23:21.160 great to hear the Treasurer today at the Press Club 1:23:21.240 --> 1:23:24.480 talk about the fact that he wants to see productivity 1:23:24.479 --> 1:23:28.920 as a cornerstone of their government of this term. So 1:23:29.000 --> 1:23:32.519 that's a good start. We're cognizant of the fact that 1:23:33.360 --> 1:23:37.480 we've got an industry that has been burdened by significant 1:23:37.600 --> 1:23:42.760 increasing in red tape, in time waiting for approvals and 1:23:42.880 --> 1:23:46.040 so forth. That time is money in the building game. 1:23:46.560 --> 1:23:49.559 That means that housing has become more expensive. So from 1:23:49.560 --> 1:23:55.600 our perspective, it's all about governments streamlining processes without necessarily 1:23:56.400 --> 1:24:02.960 adversely impacting quality or safety. We want to see a 1:24:03.000 --> 1:24:08.000 progress in terms of enabling infrastructure so that gets done 1:24:08.320 --> 1:24:12.080 more effectively and more efficiently. We want to see tax 1:24:12.120 --> 1:24:16.799 reforms that actually encourages those businesses that have good business 1:24:16.800 --> 1:24:20.679 practice and at the same time regulators pulling up those 1:24:20.720 --> 1:24:23.280 who are doing the wrong things so we then have 1:24:23.360 --> 1:24:26.200 a level playing fields. So the other types of things 1:24:26.200 --> 1:24:29.080 that we've discussed. We've had a Productivity commission that has 1:24:29.160 --> 1:24:34.360 said that our productivity is in a really bad shape 1:24:34.720 --> 1:24:36.800 and things have got to change for us to be 1:24:36.840 --> 1:24:39.320 able to build for all Australians. 1:24:39.520 --> 1:24:42.000 Whether it's a personal development. And we've seen a couple 1:24:42.040 --> 1:24:44.160 of stories in the newspaper recently. They pop up quite 1:24:44.160 --> 1:24:48.000 regularly actually about people who build homes or renovate homes 1:24:48.040 --> 1:24:51.519 and the neighbors are upset and the councils called in 1:24:51.560 --> 1:24:54.120 and all these problems. But there's also the large scale 1:24:54.160 --> 1:24:57.400 projects as well, where whole suburbs object to various things, 1:24:57.400 --> 1:25:00.639 but the excuse is always well, you know, we want 1:25:00.680 --> 1:25:02.320 to make sure it's done right. But I think what 1:25:02.360 --> 1:25:05.280 you're talking about is yes, of course, but can't we 1:25:05.320 --> 1:25:09.160 speed up the process by which we adjudicate these things? 1:25:09.640 --> 1:25:12.240 What is the hold up? Is it simply people on 1:25:12.280 --> 1:25:15.080 the ground that are able to process this? Is it staff? 1:25:16.280 --> 1:25:22.240 It's staff. It is the laws that make things complex 1:25:22.439 --> 1:25:26.320 rather than streamlined planning approvals where there's a one stop shop, 1:25:26.400 --> 1:25:29.959 for example, for all things to be approved as opposed 1:25:29.960 --> 1:25:34.200 to multiple agencies. You hear stories from our builders that 1:25:34.840 --> 1:25:39.439 they're getting one story from you know, Sydney Water for example, 1:25:39.479 --> 1:25:45.200 but another different story from the road transport in terms 1:25:45.200 --> 1:25:50.320 of creation of new suburbs that are contrary to each other. 1:25:51.120 --> 1:25:56.360 You've got a planning portal that has all sorts of 1:25:56.400 --> 1:25:59.240 problems in it that we know the new Southwalest government 1:25:59.320 --> 1:26:02.240 is trying to fit. We have a lack of staff 1:26:02.280 --> 1:26:07.320 in local council in terms of doing proper property inspections, 1:26:08.000 --> 1:26:11.639 planning and so forth. The list goes on, and everyone 1:26:11.680 --> 1:26:14.519 knows what the problems are, everyone knows what the solutions are. 1:26:15.240 --> 1:26:18.360 What we now need is a concerted effort across the 1:26:18.400 --> 1:26:23.439 country to actually get everyone actually working in sync. That's 1:26:23.560 --> 1:26:27.240 where the problems are. There's no one working in sync, right. 1:26:27.479 --> 1:26:29.719 And I assume a lot of these things you mentioned 1:26:29.720 --> 1:26:33.599 Sydney Water for example, are on the larger scale projects obviously, 1:26:33.720 --> 1:26:36.200 and they're the ones where, let's be honest, interested in 1:26:36.240 --> 1:26:39.160 most because they're going to provide more housing more quickly. 1:26:40.360 --> 1:26:43.160 That's right build. But interestingly enough, it's not just about 1:26:43.960 --> 1:26:48.200 new suburbs. It's also about infield projects as well. We 1:26:48.400 --> 1:26:51.639 know there's a lot of interest in that mindal ring 1:26:51.840 --> 1:26:55.679 with medium density and high density. But to do that, 1:26:55.840 --> 1:26:58.559 you need to ensure that the infrastructure that was there 1:26:58.640 --> 1:27:03.679 for us, say you know, twenty detached homes could actually 1:27:03.680 --> 1:27:08.519 accommodate one hundred units, and so a lot of the 1:27:08.600 --> 1:27:12.480 time there does need to be that critical infrastructure upgrades 1:27:12.560 --> 1:27:15.800 even before the builders can come in and start constructions. 1:27:15.880 --> 1:27:19.439 So there is a lot of components to building and 1:27:19.479 --> 1:27:22.840 building more homes to meet our housing targets. And we 1:27:23.080 --> 1:27:26.360 just need to get this sequencing right because when you've 1:27:26.360 --> 1:27:29.640 got a piece of land that is underutilized or not utilized, 1:27:29.960 --> 1:27:32.519 then that is costing someone money and they in turn 1:27:32.560 --> 1:27:34.400 will then pass it on to the homeowner. 1:27:35.120 --> 1:27:37.599 Now, look, I'm one of many people talking back now 1:27:37.600 --> 1:27:40.680 about small scale projects. We've had plans for a renovation 1:27:41.160 --> 1:27:44.000 sitting on a shelf for years now. I've got my 1:27:44.040 --> 1:27:46.280 own reasons for that. But the point I'm making is 1:27:46.320 --> 1:27:52.080 that building is becoming increasingly difficult and costly. And we've 1:27:52.080 --> 1:27:54.840 got builders, on the one hand saying their margins are shrinking. 1:27:55.000 --> 1:27:58.320 That it's in some cases they're taking on projects that 1:27:58.360 --> 1:28:00.320 are not actually making them any money. They want to 1:28:00.360 --> 1:28:05.240 keep their company and their employees still ticking over until 1:28:05.240 --> 1:28:07.599 they can actually start making a profit on other projects. 1:28:07.640 --> 1:28:09.320 But at the same time, of course, the people who 1:28:09.320 --> 1:28:12.960 are commissioning those projects are finding it increasingly difficult to 1:28:13.000 --> 1:28:16.280 afford them. How can we make those two ends meet? 1:28:17.320 --> 1:28:19.679 Spot on Billo and I think I'm like you, I've 1:28:19.680 --> 1:28:21.519 got plans that have been sitting on a shelf for 1:28:21.600 --> 1:28:25.759 quite some time. I think that the issue is really 1:28:26.040 --> 1:28:28.720 a couple of things. Well, first and foremost, we need 1:28:28.760 --> 1:28:32.280 to have an economy where inflation is kept debaying interest 1:28:32.360 --> 1:28:35.439 rates are low. We're starting to see that slowly happen 1:28:35.760 --> 1:28:38.160 where people can naturally afford it. But if you think 1:28:38.200 --> 1:28:42.920 about it, the building of a detached home or renovations 1:28:43.040 --> 1:28:46.200 is increased by over forty percent in the last five 1:28:46.320 --> 1:28:50.320 years and that's simply unsustainable. And so people are just 1:28:50.760 --> 1:28:53.120 they want to build, but they can't afford to build. 1:28:53.800 --> 1:28:56.519 So the thing we've got to look at is do 1:28:56.560 --> 1:28:58.920 we have enough skilled people to do the work. The 1:28:58.960 --> 1:29:02.640 answer is no, so we're focusing on our apprenticeships, but 1:29:02.720 --> 1:29:05.840 we've said to the government more needs to be done 1:29:06.040 --> 1:29:11.799 around skilled migration for trades in building construction. We're competing 1:29:11.840 --> 1:29:17.320 in an international market and we don't provide priority pathways 1:29:17.400 --> 1:29:22.320 for building construction trades. We also know that the builders 1:29:22.320 --> 1:29:26.719 with fixed price contracts quoting you know, sometimes twelve months 1:29:26.720 --> 1:29:30.880 in advance, and I've seen a skyrocketing in prices. So 1:29:30.920 --> 1:29:34.240 there's got to be a greater meeting of minds between clients, 1:29:35.040 --> 1:29:39.400 between and banks and the builders about what is a 1:29:39.479 --> 1:29:43.559 reasonable price. You know, we encourage builders not to go 1:29:43.600 --> 1:29:45.960 and sign contracts when you know you're going to operate 1:29:46.000 --> 1:29:49.200 at a loss. People have been burnt and that's how 1:29:49.240 --> 1:29:53.160 we get higher in solvencies. But you're right, they want 1:29:53.200 --> 1:29:55.439 to keep the business sticking. Nobox. It's not just about 1:29:55.439 --> 1:29:58.760 the builder, it's the forty odd trades that they support. 1:29:59.760 --> 1:30:03.080 In ongoing building in their. 1:30:02.960 --> 1:30:06.120 Business, and a lot of them are very very small operators, 1:30:06.120 --> 1:30:09.000 in some cases sole traders of course, and trying to 1:30:09.000 --> 1:30:11.639 feed a family week to week. Now, just quickly before 1:30:11.680 --> 1:30:13.679 you go, Danita, if you don't mind, the federal government 1:30:13.800 --> 1:30:16.639 is now free to crack down on the CFMEU after 1:30:16.680 --> 1:30:20.759 this High Court challenge, a constitutional challenge was dismissed this morning. 1:30:20.760 --> 1:30:24.920 That announcement was made by Chief Justice Stephen Gagler. All 1:30:25.000 --> 1:30:27.760 six grounds of the challenge rejected. How does the master 1:30:27.800 --> 1:30:30.679 builders greet that information? And does it make it better 1:30:30.680 --> 1:30:32.880 for Mark Irving the administrator to get things done? 1:30:34.000 --> 1:30:37.120 Yeah, Billo, I was in the High Court itself this 1:30:37.200 --> 1:30:39.160 morning to hear that decision handed down. 1:30:39.240 --> 1:30:41.000 It was a relief. 1:30:41.080 --> 1:30:46.080 To be honest, the industry has needed certainty. The High 1:30:46.160 --> 1:30:50.479 Court action has meant that there's been a lot of 1:30:50.560 --> 1:30:53.840 hesitancy by people to come forward because they weren't quite 1:30:53.880 --> 1:30:57.840 sure whether to support the administrator or support the executives 1:30:57.840 --> 1:31:01.439 in exile. That puts us to that we can now 1:31:01.880 --> 1:31:06.080 all get focused on cleaning up the union. But I 1:31:06.080 --> 1:31:09.240 think more importantly for us is that we're seeing from 1:31:09.240 --> 1:31:11.400 the evidence that's come out of the work that Mark 1:31:11.439 --> 1:31:15.000 has undertaken as administrator is there are some bad actors 1:31:15.040 --> 1:31:19.200 in our sector, whether they are unions or people that 1:31:19.600 --> 1:31:23.240 own businesses in the industry. Enough is enough. We've got 1:31:23.240 --> 1:31:25.880 to clean up our actors and industry and ensure that 1:31:26.439 --> 1:31:31.400 everyone is undertaking things lawfully. And this gives us the opportunity. 1:31:31.400 --> 1:31:32.960 It's a historic moment today. 1:31:33.360 --> 1:31:35.439 Well said, and thank you very much for your time today, 1:31:35.479 --> 1:31:37.320 Anita Warn pleasure. 1:31:37.320 --> 1:31:37.640 Thank you. 1:31:37.880 --> 1:31:40.680 Anita's the CEO of the Master Builders Australia. We'll be 1:31:40.760 --> 1:31:42.920 right back twenty eight past two ge times running out 1:31:42.920 --> 1:31:44.200 on this half hour. We've got a lot to do, 1:31:44.240 --> 1:31:46.240 including say healeo out to this blog from. 1:31:46.200 --> 1:31:49.320 It's that time of the afternoon. Time to find out 1:31:49.439 --> 1:31:52.800 what's coming up on Sydney. Now for the Sierrato successor 1:31:52.840 --> 1:31:56.840 of the turbo charged Kiak four, Kia's all new spausedan 1:31:57.080 --> 1:32:00.320 GT line very into available now find out more about 1:32:00.400 --> 1:32:01.920 Kia's later small car. 1:32:03.040 --> 1:32:04.920 Yes see how I managed to squeeze in all that 1:32:04.960 --> 1:32:08.519 sponsorship in between a breath. Hello Clinton, good to see 1:32:08.560 --> 1:32:11.120 you mate. This has been a pleasant surprise for you. 1:32:11.320 --> 1:32:15.040 Spend a lot of mok you Bill. 1:32:14.040 --> 1:32:15.640 Well, I knew you were on but you didn't know 1:32:15.680 --> 1:32:19.240 what it's a big surprise, hey, before we check out 1:32:19.280 --> 1:32:21.679 what's happening in the Sydney now this afternoon, don't forget 1:32:21.680 --> 1:32:23.639 we're turning up the heat with up to forty grand 1:32:23.680 --> 1:32:26.519 of cash and prizes on two GB's Winter Wheel. We'll 1:32:26.560 --> 1:32:29.519 be spinning the wheel breakfast mornings right here, right now 1:32:29.800 --> 1:32:33.080 and Sydney now of course with Clinton very soon. Listen 1:32:33.120 --> 1:32:35.200 for the queue to call and you could win. And 1:32:35.280 --> 1:32:37.000 in fact here's the queue to call. 1:32:38.120 --> 1:32:41.880 Two gv's Winter Wheel. 1:32:42.080 --> 1:32:45.559 Yes, be the first caller. Call one three hundred seven 1:32:45.560 --> 1:32:47.479 double two eight seven three, so it's not the usual 1:32:47.560 --> 1:32:50.240 number one three hundred seven double two eight seven three 1:32:50.600 --> 1:32:53.360 for your chance to spin the winter Wheel up to 1:32:53.400 --> 1:32:55.559 forty grands worth of cash and prizes. To be one, 1:32:55.600 --> 1:32:58.799 we had fifteen hundred go off with Mark Levy's show. Clinton, 1:32:58.840 --> 1:33:01.280 I'm sure is aiming for the big two thy five hundred. 1:33:01.720 --> 1:33:03.639 What else are you doing though this afternoon. Well, I've 1:33:03.640 --> 1:33:03.920 spent a. 1:33:03.880 --> 1:33:05.599 Lot of time in the last couple of months, actually 1:33:05.640 --> 1:33:07.400 the last year, but everyone else has jumped on board 1:33:07.400 --> 1:33:09.280 about in the medium the last couple of months about 1:33:09.439 --> 1:33:12.760 the way e bikes, particularly the fat Boy bikes so 1:33:12.800 --> 1:33:15.439 I think are being misused across Sydney. There's no registration 1:33:15.560 --> 1:33:19.679 system for them. Those who are riding, often teenagers, don't 1:33:19.720 --> 1:33:22.679 have any insurance. There's no licensing. Well this has caught 1:33:22.680 --> 1:33:25.680 my attention courtesy of the Mid North Coast News and 1:33:26.000 --> 1:33:28.759 it does follow on from my concerns about the e bikes. 1:33:29.200 --> 1:33:33.800 Ronald John Middlebrook has appeared in court. He has been 1:33:33.840 --> 1:33:36.479 accused of riding his mower. He has a ride on 1:33:36.680 --> 1:33:40.519 lawmower through the center of tar REI while eating a burger. 1:33:41.240 --> 1:33:44.840 He was He was eating a Hungry Jack's burger while 1:33:44.840 --> 1:33:49.320 he was going around the roundabout can Gara Drive in Tarree. 1:33:49.400 --> 1:33:53.080 A couple of weeks ago, now police observed a sixty 1:33:53.120 --> 1:33:56.160 three year old man allegedly driving a right on lawmower 1:33:56.280 --> 1:33:59.680 and carrying a takeaway meal. It is alleged he did 1:33:59.680 --> 1:34:02.320 not have the destration plates which are required for vehicles 1:34:02.320 --> 1:34:06.360 exceeding four hundred kilogram. So mister Middlebrook has appeared in 1:34:06.479 --> 1:34:10.080 court where he has defended himself. He had not had 1:34:10.120 --> 1:34:12.920 an active license since nineteen eighty six. That's a car license, 1:34:12.960 --> 1:34:16.759 not a MOA license. Yes, So he was questioned about 1:34:17.080 --> 1:34:19.840 the hungry Jacks whoppup that was in his hands at 1:34:19.840 --> 1:34:21.760 the time. There was a fear that maybe he'd gone 1:34:21.800 --> 1:34:25.719 through the drive through on the right on Moa. Anyway, 1:34:25.720 --> 1:34:29.000 Well know, his lawyers told the court that often he 1:34:29.080 --> 1:34:32.799 mowed his neighbor's lawns, and he mode his neighbour's lawns out. 1:34:32.640 --> 1:34:33.599 Of the goodness of his heart. 1:34:33.680 --> 1:34:36.599 He didn't charge for it, and in return for mowing 1:34:36.600 --> 1:34:40.120 the lawn, his friend bought him the burger. So he 1:34:40.160 --> 1:34:42.760 obviously need to get home on the ride on, so 1:34:42.840 --> 1:34:46.720 that he's to quote he made the unfortunate decision to 1:34:46.760 --> 1:34:48.839 go onto the road end of the road round about 1:34:48.920 --> 1:34:51.080 to get home. The charges has been dismissed. 1:34:51.320 --> 1:34:55.240 Ah, isn't that nice? Good old Tari common sense prevails. 1:34:55.720 --> 1:34:57.160 I don't think the same could be said for some 1:34:57.200 --> 1:35:00.000 of the fat boy riders. Nevertheless, I wonder if he 1:35:00.000 --> 1:35:02.519 we had the undercarriage down on that MA might have 1:35:02.600 --> 1:35:04.280 made a bit of noise. Name he would have lifted 1:35:04.320 --> 1:35:04.760 it up well. 1:35:04.800 --> 1:35:06.320 In the state of some of the roundabouts, and I 1:35:06.360 --> 1:35:08.120 was Intaria a couple of weeks ago for the floods, 1:35:08.800 --> 1:35:10.800 some of them ra over grown, so the council I 1:35:10.800 --> 1:35:12.800 think would have appreciated him going over the top of 1:35:12.840 --> 1:35:13.160 the round. 1:35:13.240 --> 1:35:18.120 That would have actually, mo while you're there, Hey, let's 1:35:18.120 --> 1:35:20.920 do the wheel thing we have. Clinton, stay with us 1:35:20.960 --> 1:35:23.320 please because you can be part of the momentous occasion. 1:35:23.360 --> 1:35:25.839 As Scott from Como joins us on the line today. 1:35:25.640 --> 1:35:29.880 Scott, Hi, Bill, Hi Clinton, Scott. 1:35:29.520 --> 1:35:33.519 Congratulations, mate, you win something. So let's just hold our 1:35:33.520 --> 1:35:35.880 breath and get ready as I give it a big spin. 1:35:35.920 --> 1:35:38.519 We're we're going clockwise, mat I hope you're okay with that. 1:35:39.400 --> 1:35:39.920 Oh mate? 1:35:39.960 --> 1:35:41.240 Anyway, all right, here we go. 1:35:41.320 --> 1:35:42.320 Pick the right one. 1:35:43.000 --> 1:35:45.280 It's spinning, it's spinning, it's clicking. I feel like I'm 1:35:45.280 --> 1:35:47.160 on the Don Lane show back in the day. Remember 1:35:47.160 --> 1:35:50.200 that the wheel with the car giveaway that stopped on. 1:35:50.360 --> 1:35:51.080 Oh you got it? 1:35:51.240 --> 1:35:54.719 Two and a half thousand, two and a half thousand dollars. 1:35:54.880 --> 1:35:57.600 I've come in here once and I've nailed it. What 1:35:57.600 --> 1:35:58.479 am I going to do tomorrow? 1:35:58.600 --> 1:35:58.920 Scott? 1:35:59.040 --> 1:35:59.519 You Bill? 1:35:59.600 --> 1:36:01.040 You got a magic touch though. 1:36:01.080 --> 1:36:04.360 Mate, Yeah, my wife doesn't say that, but still it's 1:36:04.600 --> 1:36:07.120 fantastic I've delivered for you. That's wonderful. 1:36:07.200 --> 1:36:11.120 Well, that is fantastic, thanks to Yeah. 1:36:11.040 --> 1:36:13.840 Stay on the line made of course, stay on the line, because, gee, Clinton, 1:36:13.840 --> 1:36:15.120 you're going to do well to top that. 1:36:15.360 --> 1:36:15.519 Well. 1:36:15.560 --> 1:36:18.080 We gave away fifteen hundred dollars on the program yesterday 1:36:18.080 --> 1:36:19.840 and we thought we were doing really well. You've just 1:36:19.880 --> 1:36:23.040 waltzed into the joint for meck Mack just beat the 1:36:23.080 --> 1:36:24.240 record two and a half game. 1:36:24.320 --> 1:36:26.920 That'll buy a couple of leaders of petrol. It's fantastic. 1:36:26.920 --> 1:36:28.679 There's some great prizes on that board as well. 1:36:28.760 --> 1:36:28.920 Mate. 1:36:28.960 --> 1:36:31.360 I'm so happy for you, Scott. Thank you. Clinton's got 1:36:31.360 --> 1:36:36.360 his blues cap on by how much tonight? Look I'll 1:36:36.360 --> 1:36:39.200 say eight, I'll say eight, but I live. 1:36:39.240 --> 1:36:41.439 It's just given all the controversy the past twenty four 1:36:41.439 --> 1:36:45.599 hours andislator's apology, it just shapes up perfectly for one. 1:36:45.560 --> 1:36:49.000 Of those morons ambushes, doesn't doesn't really does Yeah anyway, 1:36:49.400 --> 1:36:52.320 Clinton Maynard Sydney now coming up very very soon. Thanks 1:36:52.320 --> 1:36:55.880 mate for dropping in. And hey, Scott, Scott has done 1:36:55.880 --> 1:36:58.840 it two and a half thousand dollars. I'm ecstatic. It's 1:36:58.880 --> 1:37:05.599 twenty seven to three and good afternoon, Air and Mark, 1:37:05.600 --> 1:37:06.559 Good afternoon, Bill. 1:37:06.600 --> 1:37:09.200 The Prime Minister believes a security and defense partnership being 1:37:09.200 --> 1:37:12.799 discussed with Europe will strengthen Australia's ties with the Continent. 1:37:13.200 --> 1:37:16.080 Firefighter say a unit was filled with black smoke from 1:37:16.120 --> 1:37:18.920 sealing to the floor as they battled an intense blaze 1:37:18.920 --> 1:37:22.320 at Cromaorn. A woman was killed in the fire. Iranians 1:37:22.360 --> 1:37:24.599 are being asked to delete WhatsApp from their phones. It's 1:37:24.680 --> 1:37:27.920 claimed it's being used to gather information to send to Israel. 1:37:28.000 --> 1:37:31.080 Meta denies that, and rates of family violence increased by 1:37:31.120 --> 1:37:35.120 about forty percent around state of origin time. Footy fans 1:37:35.120 --> 1:37:36.720 are being urged to look out for their mates and 1:37:36.840 --> 1:37:40.040 be mindful of how they'll handle the emotion of tonight's game. 1:37:40.560 --> 1:37:43.920 In Sport, the cowbell is causing a ruckus head of 1:37:43.920 --> 1:37:47.040 the Super Rugby Pacific Final between the Crusaders and Chiefs 1:37:47.080 --> 1:37:50.720 in Christchurch. Chiefs fans want to bring the noisy instruments 1:37:50.800 --> 1:37:53.320 into the stadium, but the home team says they will 1:37:53.520 --> 1:37:55.840 melt them down at the gate. There'll be more news 1:37:55.880 --> 1:37:58.240 at three o'clock on afternoons. 1:37:58.479 --> 1:38:02.360 A finance update for Pretzel Wealth and finance for Trusted 1:38:02.439 --> 1:38:06.280 Financial Planning just Google Blake went to Pretzel Well. 1:38:06.320 --> 1:38:08.919 Scott from Como is feeling pretty good about the finance 1:38:08.960 --> 1:38:10.479 at the moment. We're having won two and a half 1:38:10.479 --> 1:38:13.000 thousand dollars on our winter wheel. But Scott Phillips from 1:38:13.000 --> 1:38:17.680 the mightleyfool fool dot com dot au Telco Giant Optus 1:38:17.720 --> 1:38:20.679 Scotty facing a massive one hundred million dollar fine. What's 1:38:20.680 --> 1:38:21.240 all that about? 1:38:21.880 --> 1:38:24.200 Well, good afternoon, mate, that's one two and a half groad. 1:38:24.200 --> 1:38:24.840 I thought I was in for. 1:38:24.760 --> 1:38:27.000 A secondary wrong, Scott. 1:38:27.479 --> 1:38:30.040 Yeah, Fortunately, one hundred millions three a lot of money. 1:38:30.120 --> 1:38:32.759 Hundred million dollars is to fine for. I'm just engaging 1:38:32.800 --> 1:38:37.080 in what they're calling unconsctionable conduct. Now Telco and the 1:38:37.120 --> 1:38:41.559 atribill See have agreed on this penalty. Basically they opted 1:38:41.600 --> 1:38:45.559 salespeople sold mobile phones and mobile phone plans to people 1:38:45.560 --> 1:38:47.760 who simply wasn't suitable for a lot of people in 1:38:47.760 --> 1:38:51.120 First Nations and Indigenous communities as well, basically saying, you know, 1:38:51.120 --> 1:38:53.120 you dragging people into the sourcing you need this thing, 1:38:53.240 --> 1:38:55.120 to people who couldn't afford them, even people whose home 1:38:55.160 --> 1:38:58.639 address didn't have Optus reception. And I were still selling 1:38:58.640 --> 1:39:02.200 these things more than four hundred customers at sixteen different 1:39:02.200 --> 1:39:04.800 stores across the country in the four years from August 1:39:04.840 --> 1:39:08.200 twenty nineteen and July twenty twenty three when their sword 1:39:08.200 --> 1:39:10.720 come out to look, they're really sorry that said's inexcusable 1:39:10.880 --> 1:39:14.160 and unacceptable. It absolutely is. Yea one hundred miniy dollars 1:39:14.439 --> 1:39:16.640 likely with the penalty. Now the federal court decides in 1:39:16.680 --> 1:39:19.400 the actual penalty. Regulator and the telco both say have 1:39:19.400 --> 1:39:21.559 we think a hundred million is reasonable, so probably we'll 1:39:21.560 --> 1:39:24.840 get we waved through. But yeah, a reminder of what 1:39:24.880 --> 1:39:27.040 can happen sometimes and how a little overzealous or a 1:39:27.040 --> 1:39:30.040 lot overzealz some salespeople can be. In this case, Optics 1:39:30.080 --> 1:39:31.200 has had to pay up. 1:39:31.680 --> 1:39:33.639 It's a big slab of money, even for a big 1:39:33.680 --> 1:39:34.439 company like that. 1:39:35.040 --> 1:39:37.879 Yeah, I've got to say some of the penalties recently 1:39:37.920 --> 1:39:40.519 for other things one hundred dollars should have hopefully focus 1:39:40.600 --> 1:39:42.800 some minds, not only Optice, but other places around the 1:39:42.800 --> 1:39:45.120 country might be otherwise tend to engage in this sort 1:39:45.160 --> 1:39:47.719 of stuff. If it ends up with, you know, focusing 1:39:47.760 --> 1:39:50.280 some minds, that'd be a wonderful thing. I think corpor Australia. 1:39:50.160 --> 1:39:52.120 Very good point, very good point. What's happening on the 1:39:52.120 --> 1:39:53.800 local markets, mate and the dollar. 1:39:54.200 --> 1:39:56.120 And rough down on the market. Unfortunately we had a 1:39:56.160 --> 1:39:58.160 rough morning. We got back into positive territory after lunch. 1:39:58.240 --> 1:40:01.080 We've just sunk back under that even mark. We're down 1:40:01.120 --> 1:40:03.400 a tenth of a percent eighty seven hundred and sixty 1:40:03.600 --> 1:40:06.240 three points for the all ordinaries as we speak. The 1:40:06.240 --> 1:40:08.760 Ausy dollar, meanwhile, has had to do a buppy couple 1:40:08.800 --> 1:40:10.559 of days. It was up and down, it's down again 1:40:10.560 --> 1:40:13.320 now back under sixty five cents, off by six tenths 1:40:13.320 --> 1:40:16.000 to eight percent to sixty four point nine to five US. 1:40:16.080 --> 1:40:19.040 That's Scott Phillips from fool dot com dot you, thank 1:40:19.080 --> 1:40:20.559 you so much, pleasure. 1:40:20.600 --> 1:40:20.960 Thanks Bill. 1:40:21.240 --> 1:40:23.360 It's twenty four to three coming up. We'll have track 1:40:23.400 --> 1:40:24.800 of the day. By the way, so I've you missed 1:40:24.840 --> 1:40:27.599 out on the two and a half grand wind fall 1:40:27.680 --> 1:40:31.400 that Scott won from Como in Sydney in the winter wheel. 1:40:31.439 --> 1:40:33.000 You've got track of the day coming up. One hundred 1:40:33.040 --> 1:40:35.880 and fifty dollars be store voucher. If you can manage 1:40:35.920 --> 1:40:38.000 to win that one, not too difficult. I'll give you 1:40:38.040 --> 1:40:40.240 the tip first caller in. That's coming up a little 1:40:40.280 --> 1:40:42.720 later on, but we'll talk after the break about the 1:40:42.760 --> 1:40:46.160 old Harbor bridge. The coat hanger looking a bit rusty, 1:40:46.520 --> 1:40:48.519 Not that there's anything wrong with that. I'm sure they'll 1:40:48.520 --> 1:40:50.080 fix it up pretty soon, but I thought it might 1:40:50.080 --> 1:40:52.240 be an idea to catch up with an expert who's 1:40:52.280 --> 1:40:54.240 involved in all this as to how they do it 1:40:54.280 --> 1:40:57.040 and how difficult it is these days nineteen to three. 1:40:57.200 --> 1:41:00.160 And Sydney, of course has so many wonderful landmarks. The 1:41:00.160 --> 1:41:04.559 world knows us Four Opera House, Darling Harbor, Bondi Royal 1:41:04.600 --> 1:41:08.680 Botanical Gardens. But then there's the coat hanger. When you 1:41:08.680 --> 1:41:10.559 see it in real life, it's not hard to marvel 1:41:10.560 --> 1:41:13.799 at what an engineering feet it is, all those rivets, 1:41:14.040 --> 1:41:16.559 and they're big too. And I was sitting in traffic 1:41:16.560 --> 1:41:20.280 today in the morning, having been called in to help 1:41:20.280 --> 1:41:22.519 out and fill in for Michael today, and I had 1:41:22.560 --> 1:41:24.160 to look up and I saw a few rust patches 1:41:24.200 --> 1:41:25.800 on the old bridge. It's a bit like looking at 1:41:25.800 --> 1:41:28.599 your own home. You feel very possessive of the Harbor Bridge. 1:41:28.600 --> 1:41:31.080 I felt like jumping out with a bit of steel 1:41:31.120 --> 1:41:33.720 wool and stripping it back and putting a coat of 1:41:33.760 --> 1:41:35.879 paint on it. But I thought, well, there's someone else's 1:41:35.880 --> 1:41:38.000 probably paid to do that, and I don't want to 1:41:38.040 --> 1:41:40.519 take their job. Four hundred and eighty five thousand square 1:41:40.560 --> 1:41:42.559 meters of steel work though. That's another thing that might 1:41:42.560 --> 1:41:47.160 put off the average home handy person at sixty football 1:41:47.200 --> 1:41:52.000 fields by the way of metal, exposed metal. And it's 1:41:52.040 --> 1:41:54.320 pretty complicated too, As my old man would say, if 1:41:54.320 --> 1:41:57.000 we're doing a building job or laying carpet together, that's 1:41:57.040 --> 1:42:00.840 a bugger of a job anyway. Matthew Wilson's executive director 1:42:00.880 --> 1:42:03.679 of Road Maintenance Partnerships to Transport for New South Wales. 1:42:03.720 --> 1:42:06.000 He's on the line. Thanks for joining us, Matthew. 1:42:06.680 --> 1:42:08.280 Good Abelle, how are you well? 1:42:08.360 --> 1:42:10.960 Thank you? Nineteen thirty two. That's how on the bridge 1:42:10.960 --> 1:42:13.840 has been up for. But of course a lot of 1:42:13.880 --> 1:42:17.000 that longevity is due to the maintenance of the steel structure. 1:42:17.200 --> 1:42:19.479 I guess it was always a very important part of 1:42:19.520 --> 1:42:23.240 the planning and maintenance of this incredible construction. 1:42:24.360 --> 1:42:27.280 It absolutely was. And the better you maintain something, the 1:42:27.320 --> 1:42:28.920 longer it lasts. As you say, it's so different to 1:42:28.960 --> 1:42:31.120 your house. You look after it, it'll last you a 1:42:31.120 --> 1:42:33.320 long time. But coming up to that one hundred year 1:42:33.320 --> 1:42:36.559 anniversary now, but we're aiming for another hundred years post 1:42:36.600 --> 1:42:37.240 that as well. 1:42:37.880 --> 1:42:40.360 What was involved in the early days of keeping it maintained. 1:42:40.360 --> 1:42:43.360 I think we're all familiar with the fact that people 1:42:43.400 --> 1:42:46.280 for many years have been rostered on and shifted to 1:42:46.680 --> 1:42:49.559 get on there, strip back the metal and treat it 1:42:49.600 --> 1:42:52.559 and paint it. But how often has that taken place 1:42:52.600 --> 1:42:55.559 and how has that process evolved over the years as 1:42:55.600 --> 1:42:56.639 technology changes. 1:42:57.760 --> 1:43:00.120 The biggest changes really are in the safety aspects of 1:43:00.439 --> 1:43:03.400 how we do it. The general methodology of how we 1:43:03.439 --> 1:43:06.880 paint the bridge hasn't hugely changed, you know, removing some 1:43:06.960 --> 1:43:09.920 of the old paint. Now we've felt much more modern 1:43:09.960 --> 1:43:11.560 equipment that helps us to get the paint off a 1:43:11.600 --> 1:43:13.599 little bit quicker, so that we can get the painting 1:43:13.640 --> 1:43:15.760 done a bit quicker. But the principle of how we 1:43:15.800 --> 1:43:20.200 apply the paint hasn't really changed. The safety elements that 1:43:20.280 --> 1:43:23.519 go with it have hugely changed over the years. We 1:43:23.800 --> 1:43:25.960 will have all seen the pictures of Crocodile Dundee on 1:43:26.040 --> 1:43:28.519 top of the bridge with his paint brush and bucket 1:43:28.640 --> 1:43:31.519 and just stood on the top with those safety rails, 1:43:31.560 --> 1:43:35.840 safety harnesses, nothing, just walking around painting. We definitely don't 1:43:35.840 --> 1:43:38.680 do that anymore. As you say, you've seen the scaffolding 1:43:38.680 --> 1:43:40.519 that we've got up at the moment. We provide a 1:43:40.520 --> 1:43:43.800 safe work space for our guys and they love those 1:43:43.840 --> 1:43:46.280 workplaces too. You know, imagine the view every time you 1:43:46.320 --> 1:43:48.519 come out of your workplace is from the top of 1:43:48.520 --> 1:43:50.680 the Harbor Bridge. What better office could you have? 1:43:51.280 --> 1:43:54.360 Well, I'm marvel. I'm sure anyone does when they see 1:43:54.479 --> 1:43:58.120 large scale road building projects as we see around Sydney 1:43:58.120 --> 1:43:59.960 at the moment. You've got that big overpass on the 1:44:00.280 --> 1:44:04.680 seven that's been slightly put together like a big lego construction. 1:44:04.760 --> 1:44:06.960 You've got what's happening north of the bridge at the moment. 1:44:07.000 --> 1:44:12.720 That's incredible. Managing all of that, but even managing your scaffolding, 1:44:12.760 --> 1:44:14.880 as you say, on the Harbor Bridge, getting that up 1:44:14.920 --> 1:44:17.720 into place. How you do it? When you do it, 1:44:17.720 --> 1:44:20.080 it would take a lot of organization, I'd imagine. 1:44:20.800 --> 1:44:22.920 Well, in total, you know, to maintain the bridge, we've 1:44:22.960 --> 1:44:25.920 got one hundred and twenty full time people, from engineers 1:44:25.920 --> 1:44:28.800 who plan and design the scaffold through to the guys 1:44:28.800 --> 1:44:31.439 that are painting and doing the electrical work and things. 1:44:31.880 --> 1:44:34.479 So you know, it's a big team unit that it 1:44:34.520 --> 1:44:38.599 has to maintain the bridge. It's incredibly complex. We try 1:44:38.600 --> 1:44:41.600 and minimize the impact we have on the traffic on 1:44:41.640 --> 1:44:44.280 the bridge underneath. Obviously we can't lift scaffolding up whilst 1:44:44.360 --> 1:44:47.120 traffic is moving underneath. But we try and minimize the 1:44:47.160 --> 1:44:49.960 number of lane closures we need. We build the scaffolding 1:44:49.960 --> 1:44:53.479 overnight so that it impacts fewer people. So we're generally 1:44:53.479 --> 1:44:55.960 trying to do as much maintenance as possible whilst causing 1:44:55.960 --> 1:44:57.800 as little disruption to people as we can. 1:44:58.320 --> 1:45:00.400 Is it still true the old story that one you've 1:45:00.400 --> 1:45:04.479 completed one length of the bridge in terms of maintenance, 1:45:04.520 --> 1:45:05.960 you have to go back and start again. 1:45:07.080 --> 1:45:10.000 The principle is kind of true, but we don't literally 1:45:10.000 --> 1:45:12.400 start at one end and work to the other. Now 1:45:12.680 --> 1:45:15.120 we focus on the areas that need that the most. 1:45:15.760 --> 1:45:17.760 But it is, you know, there's never a point where 1:45:17.760 --> 1:45:20.160 we can stop painting, because by the time you've done 1:45:20.200 --> 1:45:22.640 the last bit that needs it, you've backed the bit 1:45:22.680 --> 1:45:25.679 that you did thirty years ago that now needs it again. 1:45:26.320 --> 1:45:29.240 So there's the cycle does just continue. We just don't 1:45:29.280 --> 1:45:32.040 do it in that linear fashion. And the arch is 1:45:32.080 --> 1:45:34.400 where we're focusing a lot of our efforts now as 1:45:34.439 --> 1:45:36.880 we come up to that one hundred year anniversary. So 1:45:37.200 --> 1:45:40.320 out of about nearly half million square meters, we've got one 1:45:40.400 --> 1:45:42.760 hundred and fifty thousand square meters of the arch we 1:45:42.800 --> 1:45:46.320 need to paint before the centenary in twenty thirty two, 1:45:46.640 --> 1:45:48.240 and that's the bit we'll focus. That's why you're seeing 1:45:48.280 --> 1:45:51.120 the scaffolding now because that arch hasn't really had any 1:45:51.120 --> 1:45:54.360 painting done on it since the nineteen nineties, so it's 1:45:54.400 --> 1:45:57.400 well overdue and painting and we're really looking forward to 1:45:57.520 --> 1:45:59.280 giving her a new lease of life as we paint 1:45:59.320 --> 1:45:59.760 that arch. 1:46:00.200 --> 1:46:02.559 I mean, we've all stripped back, or most of us anyway, 1:46:02.560 --> 1:46:04.839 who like that sort of thing, stripped back metal furniture 1:46:04.880 --> 1:46:07.040 and things like that. But I guess there's got to 1:46:07.080 --> 1:46:10.439 be some improved tools and technology to make that a 1:46:10.439 --> 1:46:12.880 bit quicker than just doing it by hand. And do 1:46:12.920 --> 1:46:14.160 you use brush or roller? 1:46:15.160 --> 1:46:17.320 So for the removing the paint, we tend to use 1:46:17.360 --> 1:46:20.920 garmt blasting, so that's the majority of how we remove paint. 1:46:21.200 --> 1:46:23.439 We do also literally have hand tools, though for some 1:46:23.479 --> 1:46:26.639 of the more intricate areas where we need to remove it. Yeah, 1:46:26.760 --> 1:46:29.919 reapplying the paint, it is literally paint brushes, paint rollers, 1:46:30.080 --> 1:46:32.960 and spray guns. So depending on the air area that 1:46:33.000 --> 1:46:35.400 we use, it's either paint brush and roller or like 1:46:35.439 --> 1:46:38.200 when guys paint their cars, it's kind of a spray 1:46:38.200 --> 1:46:41.000 gun that puts that on that Every square meter needs 1:46:41.080 --> 1:46:43.720 four coats of paint to it as well, And. 1:46:43.720 --> 1:46:45.479 I guess you have to make sure that you treat 1:46:45.520 --> 1:46:48.080 the rust while it's surface rust, and of course doesn't 1:46:48.080 --> 1:46:51.519 get more corrosive and therefore weakening any of the parts. 1:46:52.280 --> 1:46:55.880 Exactly, we never let anything get beyond surface rust, so 1:46:55.960 --> 1:46:57.760 as soon as we know, that's why we prioritize on 1:46:58.200 --> 1:47:00.720 the areas that need it most. Once we've got that 1:47:00.840 --> 1:47:02.960 surface for us, we need to treat that. So we 1:47:03.000 --> 1:47:05.320 get it treated, get it all painted, and she looks 1:47:05.320 --> 1:47:05.960 shiny and new. 1:47:05.960 --> 1:47:10.840 Again, notwithstanding the scaffolding. Matthew, you're still working pretty high up. 1:47:10.880 --> 1:47:12.559 I guess it takes a certain kind of person to 1:47:12.560 --> 1:47:13.639 get into that sort of job. 1:47:14.479 --> 1:47:17.080 You need a head for heights, that's for sure. You 1:47:17.120 --> 1:47:19.640 know it's about one hundred and thirty two meters at 1:47:19.640 --> 1:47:22.200 the highest point, but you know when you asked at 1:47:22.200 --> 1:47:24.640 the top. Even looking down on the road deck, you 1:47:25.040 --> 1:47:26.720 really get a sense of how high it is. And 1:47:26.760 --> 1:47:29.200 it feels like a lot more than one hundred meters 1:47:29.600 --> 1:47:30.479 when you're looking down. 1:47:30.840 --> 1:47:31.760 But it's a nice view. 1:47:32.600 --> 1:47:34.680 Oh, it's best office sensed me. 1:47:35.280 --> 1:47:37.320 I have done the bridge climb a long time ago, 1:47:37.400 --> 1:47:40.880 and it is quite amazing how high it is. And 1:47:40.920 --> 1:47:44.360 of course that's all done very safely and conveniently. It's 1:47:44.400 --> 1:47:46.680 it's a terrific experience. I recommend it to anyone, but 1:47:46.960 --> 1:47:50.479 I suppose if you're working up there it would be 1:47:50.520 --> 1:47:53.080 a bit of a distraction. Sometimes you might have to 1:47:53.520 --> 1:47:57.120 do you put them on a time, a strict schedule, 1:47:57.160 --> 1:47:58.840 so they don't sort of hang around and just enjoy 1:47:58.880 --> 1:47:59.240 the view. 1:47:59.800 --> 1:48:02.320 We have guys who have been working there for decades 1:48:02.600 --> 1:48:04.280 and they have still never got bored of a view 1:48:04.280 --> 1:48:06.360 that they get from their work site. And the other 1:48:06.360 --> 1:48:09.000 positive is, you know everyone gets their steps. 1:48:08.720 --> 1:48:09.240 In every day. 1:48:09.320 --> 1:48:11.040 When you work on the Harbor Bridge. There's a lot 1:48:11.040 --> 1:48:12.040 of steps to walk up. 1:48:12.640 --> 1:48:15.479 Yes, that's true. Hey, no one ever back in the 1:48:15.479 --> 1:48:17.840 old days. I heard rumors and I only moved to 1:48:17.840 --> 1:48:20.599 Sydney when I was in the twenties. So apparently UNI 1:48:20.640 --> 1:48:23.320 students and furious other people used to sneakily climb the 1:48:23.320 --> 1:48:26.439 bridge in the old days. That can't happen these days, Kenneth, 1:48:26.439 --> 1:48:27.759 it's all very more secure. 1:48:28.680 --> 1:48:30.680 It's a lot more secure these days. We have a 1:48:30.760 --> 1:48:33.120 lot of cameras on the bridge obviously, you know there's 1:48:33.120 --> 1:48:36.120 a lot of risk in just randomly climbing a bridge 1:48:36.240 --> 1:48:39.000 or any other structure. So yeah, we watch very closely 1:48:39.680 --> 1:48:42.080 for those kind of events and deal with them as 1:48:42.080 --> 1:48:44.360 of when they happen, but it is very very infrequent 1:48:44.400 --> 1:48:45.040 these days. 1:48:45.200 --> 1:48:48.160 Well, I'm sure you guys will keep doing a great 1:48:48.200 --> 1:48:50.280 job in making the Code Hangar look as good as 1:48:50.280 --> 1:48:52.600 she possibly could be, particularly as you say, for that 1:48:52.600 --> 1:48:55.400 one hundredth anniversary, Matthew Wilson, thank you very much for 1:48:55.400 --> 1:48:57.720 sharing that with us. We know she's in safe hands. 1:48:58.240 --> 1:49:01.840 Thanks very much, Bill, Matthew Wilson, Executive Director of Road 1:49:01.840 --> 1:49:04.680 Maintenance Partnerships at Transport for New South Wales. We're going 1:49:04.720 --> 1:49:07.519 to give away a little more money actually, well it's 1:49:07.520 --> 1:49:09.639 a voucher anyway for the Track of the Day coming 1:49:09.680 --> 1:49:21.320 up eight minutes to three now on afternoons on the 1:49:21.560 --> 1:49:24.519 Track of the Day. On that subject, the Doobies have 1:49:24.600 --> 1:49:26.960 gone back together with Michael McDonald and put our an album. 1:49:27.080 --> 1:49:29.720 Just saying that was a listening to the music, of 1:49:29.760 --> 1:49:31.960 course from the Doobie Brothers Track of the Day. I'm 1:49:32.000 --> 1:49:33.760 about to play you a song, then I'll ask a 1:49:33.880 --> 1:49:36.960 question about that song or why I chose that song today? 1:49:37.200 --> 1:49:38.680 If you get it right today, we've got the one 1:49:38.760 --> 1:49:42.519 hundred and fifty dollars B Store voucher. That's pretty cool. 1:49:43.120 --> 1:49:47.080 So here is today's track of the day. Ah, Frankie, 1:49:47.120 --> 1:49:51.720 that's soothing, isn't it? On a Wednesday afternoon. We've got 1:49:51.760 --> 1:49:54.200 a question here. I knew he gave away the answer 1:49:54.240 --> 1:49:56.400 in nine at eighty three, doctor Sally Ryde was the 1:49:56.439 --> 1:50:00.120 first American woman in space. Right, But on this day 1:50:00.160 --> 1:50:03.800 in nineteen twenty eight, another American became the first woman 1:50:03.840 --> 1:50:08.000 to fly across the Atlantic Ocean. Who was that track 1:50:08.040 --> 1:50:09.519 of the day for the one hundred and fifty dollars 1:50:09.600 --> 1:50:12.559 voucher from B Store? I'll ask it again, Sally, right 1:50:12.600 --> 1:50:15.000 on this day in eighty three, was the first American 1:50:15.040 --> 1:50:18.080 woman in space. But on this day in nineteen twenty eight, 1:50:18.080 --> 1:50:21.320 another American woman became the first to fly across the 1:50:21.400 --> 1:50:24.120 Atlantic Ocean. Who was that? One? 1:50:24.160 --> 1:50:24.320 Three? 1:50:24.439 --> 1:50:26.320 One, eight seven three. Let's see a little bit more 1:50:26.360 --> 1:50:29.640 of Frankie thinking music. Okay, here's the question. On this 1:50:29.760 --> 1:50:32.840 day in nineteen twenty eight, an American woman became the 1:50:32.880 --> 1:50:36.880 first to fly across the Atlantic Ocean. Who was it? 1:50:36.920 --> 1:50:39.799 I think We've got Daniel on the line from EMU Heights. Daniel, 1:50:39.840 --> 1:50:40.240 who was. 1:50:40.200 --> 1:50:44.680 It is the song com flo with Me? 1:50:45.520 --> 1:50:48.720 No, that was our guide track. It's about flying, but 1:50:48.760 --> 1:50:50.960 it's the first woman in nineteen twenty eight to fly 1:50:51.080 --> 1:50:54.599 across the first American woman to fly across the Atlantic Ocean. 1:50:55.400 --> 1:51:00.679 No idea, I think he's gone. Who've we got next, Emily, Emily, 1:51:00.720 --> 1:51:03.240 have you figured it out? In nineteen twenty eight? 1:51:03.320 --> 1:51:05.920 I think I think she's got a wonderful name. 1:51:05.960 --> 1:51:07.240 It's Amelia Earhart. 1:51:07.360 --> 1:51:11.599 It is Amelia Earhart. Well done, the US aviator first 1:51:11.600 --> 1:51:14.040 woman to fly across the Atlantic Ocean in nineteen twenty eight. 1:51:14.080 --> 1:51:15.920 Well done. You've won the one hundred and fifty dollars 1:51:16.040 --> 1:51:19.360 voucher from B Store Shoes. You'll love Comfort, You'll live in. 1:51:19.439 --> 1:51:24.080 B Store brings your Birkenstock, Bluntstone, fit Flop, MBT, Frankie 1:51:24.120 --> 1:51:27.040 four and more. Visit them at Macquarie Center or Westfield. 1:51:27.040 --> 1:51:31.200 Miranda Style starts here. Well done, Thank you, Emily, we 1:51:31.240 --> 1:51:34.760 got it in too. That's pretty good, pretty pretty good, 1:51:34.760 --> 1:51:36.799 as Larry David would say, Stay on the line, Emily, 1:51:36.840 --> 1:51:39.680 thank you. We'll get that b Stoore voucher to you 1:51:39.720 --> 1:51:41.760 and I'll be right back. Roger on the text line 1:51:41.800 --> 1:51:45.920 reckons Blues by nine. It's not rugby union. Why would 1:51:45.960 --> 1:51:47.639 they be up by eight and kick a field goal? 1:51:47.680 --> 1:51:49.639 He says, there you go. That was Chuck's tip. That's 1:51:49.640 --> 1:51:51.880 all I'm saying. But anyway, have a great State of 1:51:51.920 --> 1:51:54.360 Origin night. Of course, continuous call team. We'll bring you 1:51:54.360 --> 1:51:56.840 that a little later on, but stand by right after 1:51:56.880 --> 1:52:00.160 the news for the wonderful Clinton Maynard bringing you Sydney. Now, 1:52:00.240 --> 1:52:01.559 we'll be back tomorrow. Bye for now.