WEBVTT - Blues, Dogs & Draper 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:01.040 Well. 0:00:01.080 --> 0:00:04.080 After a less than convincing win over the West Coast Eagles, 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:07.200 Carlton fans may have been thinking that their season was 0:00:07.240 --> 0:00:10.719 back on track, but after the weekends demoralizing loss at 0:00:10.720 --> 0:00:13.840 the hands of North Melbourne, those same fans are asking 0:00:13.880 --> 0:00:16.360 the age old question when it comes to Carlton, is 0:00:16.400 --> 0:00:19.120 it the coach or is it the list And it's 0:00:19.120 --> 0:00:22.640 a conversation that is set to split the Footy Classified Panel. 0:00:23.120 --> 0:00:26.200 Get comfy on the couch, it's another bumper edition of 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:48.599 Footy Classified. Good evening everyone, and welcome to Footy Classified. Yes, 0:00:48.680 --> 0:00:51.199 Princess Park is where we begin tonight's show, but not 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:54.360 before we welcome our start studded panel, one of the 0:00:54.360 --> 0:00:57.880 best journos in the country, the multiple round winner Damian 0:00:57.880 --> 0:00:59.960 Barrett Damo great to have you as always both exam 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:01.959 the man who won enormous with mettle of brand Low 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:04.600 Medland three flags with the catch, Jimmy Bartel James at 0:01:04.880 --> 0:01:08.319 Evening Sam and the twelve time leading goalkicker the Coleman 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:11.199 Medalists from the Bombers Matthew Lord what a great banks 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:13.840 as well. On the program, we begin at Carlton and 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:16.600 it was their captain Patrick Cripps and also one of 0:01:16.640 --> 0:01:19.520 their stars and vice captain's Jacob Watering, who looked today 0:01:19.760 --> 0:01:22.119 to take the heat of coach Michael Voss. 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:24.479 I couldn't speak highly enough of Ussi as a coach, 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:27.200 also as a mentor and a friend. He puts a 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:29.760 lot of work into Along with the whole coaches, that 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:33.840 group's very aligned. So we're in it together. We're not 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:35.320 going to point fingers and not going to point blame 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:37.679 anyone else. We're going to take complete ownership, and especially 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:39.840 as players, it's really important we take ownership now. Lock 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:42.720 He's done a great job for us for a long 0:01:42.760 --> 0:01:45.720 time now, and I feel like as players, when to 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:46.440 am up a bit. 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:49.240 More, there'll be some honest conversations, I think, and would 0:01:49.280 --> 0:01:51.920 be silly not to sort of look into when the 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:54.240 pressure comes on, what are we doing as players and 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:56.520 as leaders. And we've probably been through this a fair 0:01:56.600 --> 0:02:01.720 bit in my time at the club. But it's again, 0:02:01.800 --> 0:02:03.840 it's not just on Bossy, it's the entire group, it's 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:06.640 the club. We've got to take a one in all 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:07.240 in approach. 0:02:08.000 --> 0:02:10.320 You admire them for stepping out in front of the press. 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:12.200 They said all the things you'd expect them to say. 0:02:12.440 --> 0:02:16.119 Both spoke spoke really well. But Jacob water And did say, 0:02:16.120 --> 0:02:18.200 we've said this a few times before, and we've been 0:02:18.240 --> 0:02:20.560 in this position before, and I do look at the 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:23.200 Carlton senior players and we talk about how good they 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:26.200 are their top six or seven, but do they I 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:28.520 look at Collingwood as a benchmark in so many areas 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:31.080 and the way they influence games out there with just 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:33.440 not what they do on field, but the way they 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:35.640 also lead their team, and you have to question whether 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:38.440 Carlton senior players have ever done that or do they 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:40.760 do it enough. So you think about their senior core 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:44.600 players and you compare them to the elite and Penelbury's 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:47.360 out of this world. But Darcy Moore is a wonderful 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:50.560 leader of men. The way steell Sidebottom has been doing 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:53.840 his thing be questioning. I'm questioning the cole that the 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:57.440 leadership group, like Sam Walsh is young, are still young 0:02:57.440 --> 0:02:59.720 in terms, but been injured a fair bit. If you 0:02:59.800 --> 0:03:01.680 say I don't know if Kerno's a leader or not, 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:04.000 I'm not sure if Harry mckaye is a leader or not. 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:05.200 Patrick Cripps. 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:10.000 Unbelievable, stellar record, but I'm not sure you'd put him 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:12.280 on a level playing field with some of those other guys. 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:14.160 So I think it is on the senior players. I'd 0:03:14.160 --> 0:03:16.200 love to talk about Michael Voss, but no doubt they 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:17.799 need to lift their act to support their coach. 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:20.160 They get to a point in your time in career 0:03:20.160 --> 0:03:22.320 and I still remember early days in Geelong and some 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:24.360 of the senior players were like, I don't want to 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:26.639 waste my career ten to fifteen years and you play 0:03:26.680 --> 0:03:29.240 the game to win premierships and so the point I 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:32.000 think you're getting towards till a bit Lloyd is yes, 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:34.600 they've been fantastic as individuals, but how can you push 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:37.240 this group further and how can you actually push them 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:40.040 to say we need to just go even harder, We 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:42.480 need to drive the standards because what will end up 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:44.360 happening is you have a ten to fifteen year career 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:46.680 and you'll be celebrated as being a good player, you 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:48.600 got paid well, and that's your time in football. 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:49.800 I don't think people want. 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:52.040 To finish a ten to fifteen year career just saying 0:03:52.240 --> 0:03:53.160 I had a good career. 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:56.720 We didn't win March like I went okay. 0:03:57.440 --> 0:04:00.840 So damo the Jakob eder To Lordie's point said, it 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:03.000 feels like we've been here before. We don't actually have 0:04:03.040 --> 0:04:04.960 to go back that far, like it was after round 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:07.120 one when they lost to Richmond, remember that shock loss. 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:11.520 And he actually led a really tough review on the 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:13.720 Sunday and it was in the Herald Sun and it 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:16.080 was a big deal. It seems like, and this is 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:17.800 not me having a go, but it seems like there's 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:19.840 a lot of talk at Carlton about wanting to do 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:22.880 the right things at reviewing the right things, but the actions, 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:24.880 the behavior's demo don't seem to be changing. 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:27.599 No, And to your point about the behaviors, even the 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:31.120 build up to the expected exit of Tom da Cooning, Lordy, 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:33.200 you were with Lee Matthews, the Great Lee Matthews on 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:36.479 three w during the weekend just gone and Tom da 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:39.120 Coony had this set about him by Matthews. 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:42.120 You watched tom deconning plant he could be the highest 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:43.560 played player in the game next year. 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:46.680 That doesn't sound right, doesn't now? 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:47.320 It doesn't? 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:49.760 And then that gets us into lord he doesn't it 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:52.840 what happens if he does go? And the leadership components 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:54.400 to it will get onto Kernel in a moment. But 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:57.159 they've just to remind people traded out their first and 0:04:57.200 --> 0:04:59.520 second round picks of last year. So if the cooning 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:01.920 is to go as expecting, the club does expect him 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:03.880 to go. Now, the pick at the moment is thirty 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:08.080 six without the compensation that they'll get for him. Onto Kerno, Lordie, 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:11.360 you've been watching him evolve as a two time common millist. 0:05:11.400 --> 0:05:14.200 You've watched him in the two seasons completed since then 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:16.839 and for half of twenty twenty five, and it's a 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:18.840 different decouning to the one that was dominating football when 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:19.600 he was winning those medals. 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:21.920 Yeah, Kerno, yeah, I think just on him. 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:24.479 I've been I was his greatest admirer or one of 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:26.640 when he was playing really great football and he's winning 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:29.360 winning Coleman medals. But what I have noticed with him 0:05:29.440 --> 0:05:32.719 is the difference between his best and worst is pretty 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:35.159 stark for a player who's one of the best forwards 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:37.440 in the competition. So this year he's had five games 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:40.120 where he's had nine disposal or less. You see his 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:43.000 numbers have dropped off, but he kicks three a lot. 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:45.840 Which asked me, does he drop off in his work 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:48.839 rate or does he not sort of have that killer 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:51.919 instinct in him? Does he not fight through? You know 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:54.240 when you've kicked three, So those guys I want to 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:56.520 kick five, I want to kick six. It's saying he's 0:05:56.520 --> 0:05:58.960 not cashing in enough. Well, not cashing or not working 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:00.920 hard enough. I'm not sure it is, Sam, but that's 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:03.479 where he's been disappointing. And people can say what about 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:05.440 the team that he's in. Well, I saw Nick Larky 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:08.120 kick seventy a few years ago in a team that 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:08.880 won three games. 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:10.040 Should he play it on the weekend? 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:13.119 I didn't think he moved too bad. Sam. 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:15.000 I was watching it and I didn't see I saw 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:17.160 him take a hangar, so his calf couldn't have been 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:19.680 too bad. If he's sitting on someone's back, that's what 0:06:19.720 --> 0:06:22.120 I saw. I think there's a mental aspect to him, 0:06:22.480 --> 0:06:25.039 which I'm big on. I'm big on what you do 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:26.400 when you don't have the foot in it. You might 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:28.320 have the foot in your hand for thirty seconds in 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:30.599 a game or two minutes if you're not having shots 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:32.080 for goal. It's what you do when you don't have 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:34.760 the ball. He doesn't work hard enough. So I think 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:35.960 the question that we need. 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:38.320 To answer on this panel tonight and Damo brought it 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:40.040 up a few weeks ago with Graham right when he 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:42.839 broke the story of the agent of change. Clearly, I 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:45.320 think we all agree changes needed at Carlton in some way, 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:45.960 shape or form. 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:47.960 But what major change is it? 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:49.560 Because it doesn't sound like they're going to move on 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:51.520 the coach in season not his season. 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:54.320 No, there's nine matches remaining and look, mathematically they can 0:06:54.360 --> 0:06:56.320 still make the aid. So let's just park the Michael 0:06:56.320 --> 0:07:00.080 Boss conversation for the purpose of tonight's chat. But there 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:03.320 are decisions being made at least on assessments of players, 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:06.800 and I keep saying in that same piece sam I 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:08.919 did write that if a club was to come to 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:11.640 Graham Rye with a feasible offer from. 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:14.320 The outset, not a not a not, not. 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:17.040 A fancyful one, if a feasible offer to get wrench 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:20.920 Mkerno out, he will, I believe, is my opinion, he 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:23.760 will engage in that conversation at least at least consider it. 0:07:23.800 --> 0:07:26.360 Now. Whether that happens or not, it's a whole nother ballgame. 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:28.920 But it's these types of decisions that I expect him 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:30.880 to make either in year one of his time, which 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:33.240 is basically coming up as soon as next month or 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:33.680 year two. 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:36.120 So Jimmy, could you see a world where they actually 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:38.880 trade one of these big name players and keep the coach, 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:41.960 because that would be an interesting sell to the fans. 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:45.480 Anything's on the table, But there are a handful of 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:48.400 players that you would not trade at Carlton like they're 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:50.960 not trading the skipper Patrick Crips like that just pulled 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:53.280 the fabric of the club apart. That there could be 0:07:53.320 --> 0:07:55.480 potentially one of the key forwards because you've got two 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:58.360 of them. But weirdering is safe, like if you can't 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:02.280 find some halfbacks that around the competition, there's not too 0:08:02.320 --> 0:08:04.240 many of them, but the rest of like dam I 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:07.120 was saying, if it's a proper offer, no doubt he'd 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:07.560 consider it. 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:09.680 So your same wetering would be safe in your eyes, 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:10.320 but not Curno. 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:13.120 I think weatering's more safe. 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:16.080 I just think with their list currently the way it's 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:19.520 structured at the moment, the key defender you put him 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:22.560 next to Silvanni as well. They're pretty good behind the footy. 0:08:23.360 --> 0:08:26.400 Would you try well a year ago, ordn't have said 0:08:26.640 --> 0:08:28.600 not in my world of streams, would I the Kerno 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:32.240 that's playing right now, I'd consider it. But I'm looking 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:34.439 at what Matthew Kennedy's doing at the Western Bulldogs and 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:36.480 I'm asking why is he playing so well at his 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:40.240 new home? Why aren't Carlton players coming in so Again, 0:08:40.320 --> 0:08:42.160 I look at the club as a whole. You could 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:44.920 send Kerno to another club, maybe a top four club, 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:46.760 where they may be working harder, or they can get 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:49.640 him training harder. I'm not sure what's stopping him, Sam, 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:51.920 but it could be haunt them for the rest of 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:53.920 their time because he could be the best player in 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:57.120 the game at a better club that's currently in Carlton. 0:08:57.160 --> 0:08:59.240 Would you change the list or the coach? 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:03.040 Well, I think you look at everything, Sam, which which. 0:09:02.920 --> 0:09:04.840 One would you go? Which track would you go? Now? 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:06.720 And I'm not just saying Michael Boss, would you change? 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:08.720 I'm talking coaching group or playing the group. 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:10.480 The coach is always the first to be looked at 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:13.080 because it's easier to change the coach than the playing group, 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:16.599 and faster and faster. But I'm with the guys. You 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:18.760 let him see out the next nine weeks. What I'm 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:21.560 concerned about, oh is the ball movement though, so this 0:09:21.640 --> 0:09:23.199 is on the coach. I want to know is a 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:26.720 lack of confidence or is it they're being instructed to 0:09:26.760 --> 0:09:29.560 do this. So they're being instructed, I would say, well, 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:32.040 this is not the way to play football. So Carlton 0:09:32.160 --> 0:09:35.000 kicked the ball backwards the third most in the competition, 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:37.520 and this happened time and time again early in the game. 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:40.320 So I'm thinking, why is this happening, Why are you 0:09:40.360 --> 0:09:43.320 going backwards and where you can't play on it? 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:45.440 Since did you get at the ground later that this 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:46.200 was deliberate? 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:48.480 It looked to me to be deliberate. Yeah, because it 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:50.520 happened so early and they were going okay, and this 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:53.480 is the football and the whole Carlton fans and even 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:56.720 us in the media box just a sense of relief. 0:09:56.760 --> 0:10:00.600 Finally they're doing something productive through the corridor the game 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:03.880 on and being able to score. But unfortunately this happened 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:06.560 when the game was lost. So that's what I'd be 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:10.320 asking Michael Voss if I'm a football Director of board member, saying, 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:12.920 what happened earlier in this game that had your players 0:10:12.960 --> 0:10:13.640 kicking it backwards? 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:15.920 Too many players rushed to get behind the kicker and 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:18.040 been big on this for weeks. Yeah, because once you 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:20.400 rush behind the kicker, eventually the opposition goes at some 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:22.160 stage you're going to come back through us with eighteen. 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:25.559 So then you're playing the game twelve thirteen v. Eighteen 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:27.760 at AFL level on the MCG, so you're playing eighty 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:31.240 percent of the field with twelve players versus eighteen. You 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:33.240 can't win games like that, no wonder you keep going 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:35.520 sidewards and backwards because you look up because three or 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:37.680 four of your teammates are rushing to get behind you 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:38.199 for a switch. 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:38.400 Key. 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:41.480 The difference was that last edit that Lloyd showed that 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:44.079 only one came behind and then the next one's come 0:10:44.120 --> 0:10:46.160 flying through and that's how you play football. 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:47.760 So and the last thing I'll say on them is 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:51.200 their biggest weapon was their clearance, their contests and their pressure. 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:53.280 That's how they beat Geelong in that big win earlier 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:55.960 in the year. If they're matched in that or beaten 0:10:56.080 --> 0:10:58.600 like North did on the weekend, what's their how do 0:10:58.640 --> 0:10:59.560 they win the game of football? 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:01.360 So they planned, ye, what's their playing And that's that's 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:01.839 what I'd ask. 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:04.880 It's a fascinating situation at Carlton and one to watch 0:11:04.960 --> 0:11:06.480 over the next nine weeks, that's for sure. 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:07.599 Speaking you're fascinating. 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:10.560 It has been an intriguing situation developing at the kennel 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:13.079 surrounding one of their start players, of course not playing 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:15.640 at the moment in Jamar at eugile Hagen. And we 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:18.320 know it's a delicate situation, it's a sensitive one and 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:21.040 mainly because we haven't heard from the man himself. Well 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:23.160 that changed over the weekend he went on the Rip 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:23.920 through It podcast. 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:29.600 I'm doing really good. Like obviously my feelings, I don't know. 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:32.520 I feel a great I feel light fresh, and I'm 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:33.120 ready to go. 0:11:33.320 --> 0:11:35.679 Are we going to see you play AFL again? 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:36.920 And at the Bulldogs? 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:39.440 And this year I want to play footy. I can't 0:11:39.440 --> 0:11:40.199 wait to play footy. 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:42.000 I want to kick a and go in front of 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:43.719 all these crowds. I've got a team around me and 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:45.840 I'm going to play like I'm going to play this year. 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:48.400 Like I'm playing this year. It's going to be a grouse. 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:50.400 I'm not going anywhere at the moment. No, I'm definitely 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:52.640 not thinking of it either because I'm obviously still contract 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:53.000 to put the. 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:55.520 Dog in Bulldogs and that's it the. 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:58.319 Bulldogs until my contracts run out and then hopefully they 0:11:58.400 --> 0:11:59.240 offer me another one. 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:01.320 But hard is it's at the Doggies. 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:04.679 That's part of a forty five minute conversation that he 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:07.560 had with Ree Smathison and Miss Robinson, and it does 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:09.880 venture into other spaces mental health space. 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:11.480 But we'll talk about the football. 0:12:11.160 --> 0:12:13.280 Side of it here on this panel tonight and the 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:16.240 distractions that Jamario Goglehagen has been to the Bulldogs even tonight, 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:18.200 Sam as we go to where there's a social media 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:21.199 post about a car of Jamariy Goglhaggens that may or 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:24.200 may not have been misplaced or taken. I raise that 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:25.959 because even in the week that he's returned to the 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:28.800 football club, there is yet again a distraction around him. 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:30.440 I go back to the football side of it. 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:32.720 Though he's going to be playing VFL football, I would 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:34.520 think some stage in the next four to five weeks 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:37.360 there is enough season left in twenty twenty five for 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:40.880 his prodigious talent to do something in the VFL of 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:43.520 a continued nature. Jimmy and Lordie for maybe two or 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:46.439 three weeks that just may put it into the question 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:49.200 mark do we take a risk on this man in 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:51.839 the senior team in round twenty two, Round twenty three, 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:54.520 Round twenty four, potentially, because if he does come back, 0:12:54.640 --> 0:12:56.680 he's coming back as the third tall Ford. 0:12:57.280 --> 0:13:01.760 It's still fanciful for me. Around fifteen, so he's fifteen 0:13:01.800 --> 0:13:05.000 weeks of work behind. And this is AFL football. This 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:07.360 is not anywhere underneath where you could maybe get away 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:10.320 with it. So I would need to see him not 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:13.320 miss a beat for six weeks because that's how much 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:15.760 training I believe you need. You can't walk onto an 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:19.280 AFL ground in four weeks or five weeks. This is 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:21.600 how much in your need, like, it's how difficult it is. 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:25.960 He'll get other soft tissue injuries. He's playing catch up 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:28.439 and still look like he doesn't look fit enough at all, 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:30.040 you know in the vision that we've seen have been 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:33.040 boxing and things like that. So I think I just 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:34.840 I like that he had a smile on his face, 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:36.720 and I like that he's got something to work towards. 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:39.680 But I think this is all just a play for 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:41.719 hopefully him getting to another club next year. 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:45.400 I just wonder on that point, and the cynical view 0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:48.040 Jimmy would be, well, is it in the interest of 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:51.400 both parties to get him playing late in the year, 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:53.640 whether it's going to be, whether his career is going 0:13:53.679 --> 0:13:55.480 to be ultimately at the Western Bulldogs for the medium 0:13:55.480 --> 0:13:57.280 to long term or somewhere else. 0:13:57.520 --> 0:13:58.160 Yeah, I hope. 0:13:58.320 --> 0:13:59.840 I'm taking the positive aspect of it. 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:02.440 Where you're going with that is it's a positive hopefully 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:05.160 for the Western Bulldogs, but also a positive for Jamarrow. 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:07.960 I like when people are smiling. I like when they're happy. 0:14:08.240 --> 0:14:11.480 Lody, you've spoken about this about how great football clubs are. 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:14.199 I think it'd be fantastic he's back around the football club, 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:17.880 back around good people who have got really positive influence. 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:19.920 As far as you know, you're being healthy, you're being fit, 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:22.720 you get the joy out of football again. And the 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:24.480 big tagaway for me is I want to get back 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:25.200 kicking goals. 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:28.080 Like simplistic is that football is a great game. 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:31.560 And glad we're talking about that with Jamarrow getting back 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:35.040 involved in a football club and hopefully we're having the 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:38.160 debate in four to five weeks. Well he's kicked four goals, 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:40.360 three goals, six goals, whatever it may be in the 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:42.240 VFL and we're having the debate of whether he should 0:14:42.240 --> 0:14:42.600 play or not. 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:44.120 I think that's the hope for all of us, and 0:14:44.160 --> 0:14:46.160 to your point, we want to see that for six 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:49.040 weeks we don't want to be here in another month, saying, oh, well, 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:52.040 he still hasn't yet fully trained to a point where 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:53.280 he can compete at a level. 0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:55.880 We're going to talk about Jake Stringer later and the 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:58.480 work they've made him do to get to this point. 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:00.000 And this is a guy who's been there the whole year, 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:02.040 so I think that he's got a lot a lot 0:15:02.040 --> 0:15:04.160 of hard training to do to get to that point 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:05.760 of even running out in the BFL level. 0:15:05.760 --> 0:15:08.680 And his teammates have been performing admirably or even more 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:10.720 so without him, and Richards has turned himself into one 0:15:10.760 --> 0:15:14.720 of the premier midfielders of the competition. His comments postgame 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:16.720 after a convincing win, we're intriguing. 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:19.440 Some people are calling us flat track bullies at the moment, 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:21.040 so we've got to do something about that. We've got 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:23.000 to be a team above us, which is definitely the 0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:24.680 goal for the back end of the year. We've been 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:27.680 dominant against sort of the weaker sides and it's great 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:29.720 for our percentage, but you know, come final time, we're 0:15:29.720 --> 0:15:31.200 going to be playing the stronger sides if we're able 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:31.600 to make it. 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:33.920 So we've just got to take what we did tonight. 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:35.920 I thought we were pretty good all over the ground. 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:38.160 We can do that against the better sides. 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:40.320 For longer, it's just been lacking maybe one quarter here, 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:42.160 ten minutes there against the better sides that have been 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:42.840 really costing us. 0:15:43.120 --> 0:15:45.720 It's really difficult to know what to read into what 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:47.960 Ed Richards is referring to there and what we see 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:51.320 on that screen given the death of performance against those 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:54.080 teams below them on the ladder, because ultimately they've got 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:56.040 a game plan that they want to stick to regardless 0:15:56.080 --> 0:15:59.680 of opponent. On someday soon maybe it may just click 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:01.560 again one of the teams above them on the ladder, 0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:05.120 but it's a damaging scoreline they've now got against teams 0:16:05.120 --> 0:16:08.400 that are clearly inferior to them. And I do feel 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:11.400 that with the acquisition now or the addition of Sam 0:16:11.480 --> 0:16:14.920 Darcy and Marcus Bonton Pelly together Sam, it's extraordy. They've 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:18.040 only played three matches together this year, for wins in 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:21.040 the seventy points zone on each occasion, and Darcy's only 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:24.320 played thirty six. Bonton Pelly's about to play Game two fifty. 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:26.960 But these guys together at this stage of Darcy in 0:16:27.000 --> 0:16:29.520 his fourth season and Bonton Pelly now that he's got 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:31.720 the form and fitness back after missing the first five 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:33.440 games of the year. I think those two names are 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:36.080 the most compelling reason to believe as a Bulldog support. 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:36.640 Now I'm with you. 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:38.840 I think they're too good not to strike and beat 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:41.400