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Speaker 1: This is the Real Footy podcast coming up. Winter brings

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Speaker 1: the big Freeze to the mcg and to scoring rates

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Speaker 1: across the AFL. The temper is heated up between Melbourne's

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Speaker 1: two most outspoken leaders. The Kangaroos stole four points in

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Speaker 1: the first match of relocations to Way and the bump

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Speaker 1: is back in the headlines. All of that are more

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Speaker 1: right after this. This is a pat you.

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Speaker 2: My numbers who use the guard of honor, a fifty

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Speaker 2: family for.

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Speaker 3: There whose are, and the Neil kind of hitting away.

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Speaker 1: From this that we would have seen in for these years.

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Speaker 4: He has delivered in swaves into a very very dangerous

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Speaker 4: place to turn. The poddy over.

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Speaker 2: The attempted running barrel gets pass mates, lega went.

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Speaker 3: To ground, pays long God.

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Speaker 4: Coming up, it's not coming.

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Speaker 1: Penal re hyperl here comes by retired massive marked over

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Speaker 1: the time, just slams it night.

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Speaker 4: That straight into the guts.

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Speaker 3: That's the game.

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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome. My name is Mike and Gleason and

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Speaker 1: joining us today on an expanded Bumper panel Jake Nole,

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Speaker 1: Caroline Wilson and Sam McClure.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to you all.

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Speaker 3: Hello Michael, great to be here again.

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Speaker 2: Good to have the Four Musketeers.

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Speaker 3: Hello, it is a sort of a by round, but

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of footy to discuss, and a lot

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Speaker 3: of off field stuff to discuss too.

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Speaker 1: I guess, well, you're absolutely right, and I suppose we'll

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Speaker 1: go to the first thing was well, the story out

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Speaker 1: of the mcg game was the clash between May and

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Speaker 1: May Day May and Max Corn, which happened just I

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Speaker 1: think it happened twice. It hapened sort of just before

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Speaker 1: May was.

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Speaker 2: Pushed him away. It had a sort of thinking about

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Speaker 2: it because Max Gorn pushed Stephen mainway. Stephen May came

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Speaker 2: over to I suppose you'd say, remonstrate or put his

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Speaker 2: point of view, which Stephen May, those of us who

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Speaker 3: Max.

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Speaker 2: The thing that got Mede was that Max was clearly

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Speaker 2: irritated and pushed him away. And if that had been

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Speaker 2: an umpire, you'd be you'd be he wouldn't have done it,

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Speaker 2: felt yeah, But yeah, they were applying it down as

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Speaker 3: The public sentiment's pretty clear, isn't it. Everyone just has

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Speaker 3: gone on is saying they completely understand why Max responded

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Speaker 3: the way he did. Stephen may Well, it was not

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Speaker 3: as bad an altercation as he had a few years

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Speaker 3: ago around the Queen's birthday. Well, in fact, that was

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Speaker 3: post Queen King's birthday game, wasn't it. It was King Trump,

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Speaker 3: It was Queen's birthday back then.

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Speaker 2: I mean Maxico Malcolm had jumped in.

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Speaker 3: Max Goran's decision to play on. Was he didn't know

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Speaker 3: he thought he'd taken the mark. He then played on.

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Speaker 3: It was probably the only thing he could do. It

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Speaker 3: was just a really bad kick. And I don't think

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm with Max, given what he has done

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Speaker 3: over so many squabbles and on field done so many

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Speaker 1: Well, Sam, if there's anyone that may could have gone

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Speaker 1: to about playing on and stuffing a kick, it wasn't

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Speaker 4: Yeah, not the first time in his career that the

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Speaker 4: best one of his teammates. Oh yeah, it's the best.

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Speaker 4: That's a work of art, that thing he is. He

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Speaker 4: has a reputation of being a selfish player, unfortunately Bailey,

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Speaker 4: you just don't know what can happen. And watching that

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Speaker 4: Melbourne can still be a pretty bloody good team when

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Speaker 2: just want to read what Max Gorn said on radio

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Speaker 2: responsibility for the incident, saying his reaction was born out

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Speaker 2: of quote extreme disappointment of the result in admitted quote.

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Speaker 2: I agree with Steven in hindsight, my decision was poor.

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Speaker 2: So he defended mate, saying his teammate was showing care

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Speaker 2: And there's a bit further down there, so the pair

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Speaker 1: I spoke with backs in the rooms afterwards, and it's

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Speaker 1: then when he's played on, he didn't think he'd played on,

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Speaker 1: was probably pretty low, even lower percentage. Look, if you

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Speaker 1: distill that game, it's one they've both got. It was

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Speaker 1: And that's how you described the two teams going into

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Speaker 1: The other element that came out of that game was

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Speaker 1: the tagging of Nick Daykos.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and probably the most aggressive tag. And I'm including

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Speaker 2: top of Langdon was right on top of Daykos and

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Speaker 4: Think to Carrow's point, off the top, glease like despite

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Speaker 4: it being a bye weekend, there's so much to talk about.

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Speaker 4: Like we've just talked, We've spent five minutes talking about

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Speaker 4: the future of the nineteenth license been cast into major doubt.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and Collingwood Melbourne still create. I mean, what is

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Speaker 3: it about Melbourne and King's Birthday games? There's always some drama.

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Speaker 1: In Collingwood Melbourne games. You know, sure Maynard, you know

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Speaker 3: They made a much better fist of it Melbourne and

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Speaker 3: I just don't she probably should have won. But as

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Speaker 3: what did Craig McCrae say, if one day course doesn't

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Speaker 1: Taken in the sixty second round, third round.

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Speaker 3: He's been a chance, best and fairest in a premiership

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Speaker 3: disappointed in the crowd and we spoke about this off air,

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Speaker 3: But I would have thought they could have got over

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Speaker 3: it's Collingwood, Melbourne and it was a massive build up

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Speaker 3: with the Neil Danna hurting end of the year. What

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Speaker 1: We all know the forecast was for worse than the

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Speaker 1: the opening of that weekend. Yes, well, it's just I'm

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Speaker 1: just pointing out some facts.

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Speaker 4: There were a lot fewer range rovers driving out the

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Speaker 3: That's the big So the coach has done enough to

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Speaker 3: there is no doubt at all that the new regime

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Speaker 4: And saying they're not anymore.

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Speaker 4: Well that's not going to happen they change their more

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Speaker 4: than caring June. It's not as that there's suddenly talking.

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Speaker 3: I think there's a view that there are some big

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Speaker 3: that he's done enough and leaders at the club of

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Speaker 1: So you raise it, so we not to lightly dismiss

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Speaker 1: it because we moved back to the King's Birthday game.

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Speaker 1: But the Commission meeting this afternoon, Carol, and we're sitting

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Speaker 1: here on Monday morning, Tuesday morning, what do you anticipate

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Speaker 1: will be the temperature amongst the presidents around Tasmania well

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Speaker 1: before because sorry, the President's meet before the commission, so

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Speaker 1: for the.

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Speaker 3: No confidence motion in the Tasmanian Parliament. The presidents had

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Speaker 3: already said they didn't want the CEOs to be at

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Speaker 3: that occasionally happens. Wasn't scheduled, but it now will happen

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Speaker 3: because they're going to put forward a few potential names

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Speaker 3: for the commission replacements or ultimate replacements for Richard Goid.

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Speaker 3: You know, there's a strong view that the clubs are

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Speaker 3: just so divided over this that maybe it's better that

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Speaker 3: Jeff Brown, I think is still very much in the frame.

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Speaker 3: There's some support for Craig Drummond and a couple of others.

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Speaker 3: The rubber stamping of the afternoon Grand Final, which I

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Speaker 3: think we reported on this podcast around gather round.

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Speaker 2: Andrew Dillon, I think even pre season he was all

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Speaker 2: but flagging, Yeah, Afternoon.

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Speaker 3: It's stupid that it comes up every year, and I

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Speaker 3: think Andrew Dillon privately agrees with that. Now, if he's

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Speaker 3: going to continue to stick with tradition, then don't make

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Speaker 3: it a debate every year. It diminishes the product in

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Speaker 3: empowered a lot of the naysay its hasn't it really?

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Speaker 3: This decision by the parliament to self destruct.

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Speaker 4: Before the meeting today. There are at least two commissioners

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Speaker 4: that believe that the Tazzy team should be delayed. I

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Speaker 2: Now, so how on that. One thing we have to

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Speaker 4: That's right, Jack. So they can only control control. So

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Speaker 1: But it's also that their meeting to also reaffirm is

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Speaker 1: Because they're playing two different grounds.

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Speaker 4: Well yeah maybe, but when when this was And that's fine,

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Speaker 4: But they're not. But they don't have their own team yet.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Brendan Gaale and if he chooses the

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Speaker 4: Four out of eleven when when you're building at one

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Speaker 3: Only it's not gonna be one well, we don't know

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Speaker 2: Or Sam, does anyone feel there's some connections to Tasmania

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Speaker 3: Flannagan, give me a break, stick to salmon and novels.

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Speaker 3: Really no, I'm really disappointed.

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Speaker 2: I'm putting there are just you knows the state.

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Speaker 3: He's a Tasmanian, he does not believe, he doesn't believe

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Speaker 3: And look, Sam, I don't know the final equation, but

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Speaker 3: Maybe it's eight three, I don't know. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I can't predict the next ten years, but I'm so

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Speaker 2: Well, he's on the ground, we're not. He's talking about

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Speaker 3: To his on the ground that are dying, dying by

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Speaker 3: More recently, Jake, look at those two states now and

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Speaker 1: I think there's also a conflation of clubs dying in

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Speaker 3: Now that they've got a national team, now that they've

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Speaker 4: So just final one from me on this, Hobart is

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Speaker 4: not just selling going to games in Tasmania to watch football.

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Speaker 4: You're selling a golf trip that involves football. You're selling

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Speaker 4: How attractive is that if you're an Adelaide fan to

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Speaker 1: A lot of soccer played in European open stadiums.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's fine, that's pretty cold, completely different culture.

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Speaker 3: The scheduling will they'll work that out with scheduling.

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Speaker 1: Well, litter, we'll move on. There were some other big

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Speaker 2: I thought he'd get through. I was surprised you got to.

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Speaker 2: But there's been a little shift, I think, Glease in

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Speaker 2: The last month. I think it's wound back. There's been

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Speaker 4: We saw that with a peer decision for the tribunal.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I think it's gone.

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Speaker 3: Have you noticed that chair has been chair has come

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Speaker 1: Hands position, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I'm kidding it, and I'm kidding. I'm kidding A little bit. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Leaning it so Durham, you could see he saw Cheru down,

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Speaker 2: Anderson had had internal injuries nothing.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm interested that well, didn't they make it clear

439
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Speaker 3: in some statement that the injury is not necessarily you know,

440
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Speaker 3: it does not necessarily contribute to the suspension.

441
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Speaker 2: But that's clearly been the case with concussions. That's been

442
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Speaker 2: a big factor. But if it's a if it's a

443
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Speaker 2: bump where let's say there was a Petrarca or Dormitt

444
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Speaker 2: Burton's style internal injury where you're passing blood, et cetera,

445
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Speaker 2: what was it?

446
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Speaker 1: Totally no, because the provisions are that you're allowed to

447
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Speaker 1: bump unless you get someone high. Now and now, if

448
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Speaker 1: he didn't get him high, the fact that he bumped

449
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Speaker 1: and got him through the body and you suffered injury,

450
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Speaker 1: then that's he did hit his head on the ground.

451
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Speaker 1: And if he's if he hit his head on the

452
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Speaker 1: ground as a constant and was concussed, that would be

453
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Speaker 1: a more compelling argument as to well, should he have

454
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Speaker 1: suffered a suspension? Then did he go past the ball?

455
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Speaker 1: I like to make sure he got in.

456
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Speaker 2: Would Mark Yates by that token wood Marke Yates get

457
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Speaker 2: suspended now that's the most celebrated bump of that cider

458
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Speaker 2: saw Domit Burton on Thursday night. A yeah, deliberate.

459
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Speaker 3: On the weekend.

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Speaker 1: This is like a bar and picket.

461
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Speaker 2: Alright.

462
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Speaker 1: On that note, we'll take a break there and come back.

463
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Speaker 3: We're online all the time.

464
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Speaker 4: Just search age real footy on Facebook or Twitter. I've got.

465
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Speaker 1: Crushing tackle on the Big Feller allows Charing to.

466
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Speaker 3: Get those charity can come to Williams.

467
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Speaker 4: Williams can extend the late the twenty Nights and.

468
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Speaker 1: The Blues of Welcome back. Sam is the man with

469
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Speaker 1: a probably the more personal interest in the Blues. Were

470
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Speaker 1: you persuaded by them?

471
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Speaker 4: No, not at all.

472
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Speaker 2: No.

473
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Speaker 4: I thought they were pretty horrible, excellent, were worse In

474
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Speaker 4: the end. It wasn't a great It wasn't a great game,

475
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:56,959
Speaker 4: it must be said. No, it wasn't a great day

476
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Speaker 4: for the AFL, to be honest, given the game that

477
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 4: happened before in Bunbury. But the Blues did what they

478
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,399
Speaker 4: needed to do to win, and as I made the

479
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Speaker 4: point in the early segment, glease a team like Carlton

480
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Speaker 4: with as much talent as they've got, if they can

481
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Speaker 4: bank enough wins and somehow sneak into the eight. You

482
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Speaker 4: just don't know that they've proven it before that they

483
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Speaker 4: can go and runs. I think they've left it a

484
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Speaker 4: little bit too late, but we'll say.

485
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Speaker 3: We spoke to Michael Voss on three aw on Monday

486
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Speaker 3: and I talked about, you know, the changing of the

487
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Speaker 3: guard with the new CEO coming in and being a

488
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Speaker 3: footy CEO, and I sort of said, is there a

489
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Speaker 3: bit of tension around the joint and uncertainty because clearly

490
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Speaker 3: he's going to be reviewing a lot of stuff and

491
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Speaker 3: what role Michael Voss was playing in that? And he

492
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Speaker 3: felt I was being a bit dramatic. Do you think

493
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Speaker 3: that's been dramatic or do you expect change?

494
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Speaker 2: No?

495
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Speaker 4: I don't think it's been dramatic in the slightest. I

496
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 4: mean this has been for a while now, and let's

497
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Speaker 4: be honest, long before Michael Voss got there. He can't

498
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Speaker 4: be handled all the responsibility this. There've been a failing

499
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Speaker 4: footy club, you know, I said it at the time

500
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Speaker 4: when they went on the run to make the prelim

501
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 4: against Brisbane, they celebrated out like a premiership Good strong

502
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 4: clubs don't do that. And they have been a footy

503
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,159
Speaker 4: club that embraces apathy for far too long. You know

504
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 4: that near enough is kind of good enough though.

505
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Speaker 1: Because I mean we're talking about iterations of the of

506
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 1: the club and the latest iteration is this this administration

507
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 1: which is the one that now Graham rights inherited, and

508
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Speaker 1: it's not the one of the last twenty years of

509
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:34,479
Speaker 1: mismanagement and poor performance. The latest one has had moments

510
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 1: of good performance at Maigan Finals, but now they're on

511
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: this roller coaster. So that is that he's got to address.

512
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Speaker 1: And there's certainly going to be changed.

513
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, changes in the foota department, you imagine. I mean

514
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 3: list management has obviously been a big talking point for

515
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 3: Carton for years.

516
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 2: I think I think they've got to make some tough

517
00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 2: decisions around the playing list and the Tom deconning likely

518
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 2: defection is a great opportunity for Carlton. I'd be treating

519
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 2: it's not as some loss, but rather as an opportunity

520
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 2: to rebalance their least.

521
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Speaker 4: Jeez, I disagree, Jake. I don't know how you could

522
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 4: see Tom Decony leaving that footy club as anything utter

523
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 4: than a disaster, like this is a guy that they've

524
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 4: invested so much in. Max Gorn said before the start

525
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 4: of year he could be the best player in the competition.

526
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 4: Was in your Australian side. I'm trying to remember the

527
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 4: one you wrote, who's your ruckman? Gorn gone, Yeah, that's fair,

528
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 4: but he's you know, he's in the conversation to be

529
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Speaker 4: all Australian ruckmen. And the fact that he's even vaguely

530
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 4: considering an offer from Saint Kilda, he's an indictment.

531
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Speaker 1: Vaguely considering a seven hundred thousand dollar in who's on

532
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Speaker 1: the million dollars that he's being offered by Cal and.

533
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Speaker 4: Tom wouldn't be considering that if Carlton were a top

534
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:44,120
Speaker 4: six side.

535
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Speaker 1: If I'm Carlton, I think it's an absolute win win.

536
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Speaker 1: You're offering him the top dollar of say million bucks.

537
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,120
Speaker 1: You don't pay ruckman more than that, and then another ruckman. Yeah,

538
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 1: you've got one there. Pitt Net can play. The bloke

539
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 1: the played against him the other night was not the

540
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Speaker 1: worst and he came out of nowhere. He was playing

541
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: his first game. You've got so if he goes, you

542
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 1: saved the million bucks and you get a first round

543
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 1: draft picking. Yeah.

544
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Speaker 4: I'm just not a believer. I can't remember that many

545
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 4: times where a good player leaving has been good.

546
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Speaker 1: The biggest indictment is that they've got Zach Williams there

547
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: on a million dollars plus this year and next year now,

548
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 1: just just to.

549
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Speaker 2: Pick up on that one, Sam, Sorry, sorry Franklin. Franklin

550
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 2: and Gary Amblin.

551
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Speaker 4: Yep, sure, And you know, you know what those two

552
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 4: clubs have in common, a lot of good players. They

553
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 4: win flags, Carton don't. So if if you're somehow creating

554
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 4: the argument that Tom Decone leaving has Carlton closer to

555
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 4: a premiership, I just can't. I can't forget it.

556
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,919
Speaker 2: Well, Brodie Grundy left, you know, they pushed him out

557
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 2: the opportunity. Graham right, they're involved in that. I don't

558
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 2: think Graham right, I'm not.

559
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Speaker 3: I'm not ready. Grundy wasn't in the form that they're

560
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Speaker 3: kind of.

561
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 2: No, No, no, he wasn't. But the point is the value.

562
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Speaker 2: The argument here is about the value of the financial

563
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 2: value of Ruckman and I think that is a very

564
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 2: open point that how many teams one premierships gorn Melbourne

565
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 2: once in ten years.

566
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Speaker 3: Toby nan Curvis never really looked like being all Australian,

567
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 3: but he was a game changer for Richmond.

568
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 1: He just Grundy. Colinwo then replaced him with Darcy Cameron,

569
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 1: who they picked up for four hundred and fifty who

570
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,199
Speaker 1: had played two games. I think for City you can

571
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: find a player and develop them and at a cut price.

572
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 4: In that position, they're going to end up getting a

573
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 4: draft pick, which will get pushed back because of a

574
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 4: lot of the NBA's this year. In a week draft.

575
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 4: You know, it doesn't sound like you do something with it.

576
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 2: Well, removed one thing. One thing Carlton can do that

577
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 2: they can attract players. I think that's a big difference

578
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 2: between them and some other clubs.

579
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 4: Hasn't hasn't really worked for them since the days.

580
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: That's all the crystal ball down down what they may

581
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: do at the end of the year. What about what

582
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: they're actually doing now? Do they look better and different

583
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: or was this also just a weakened team? And it

584
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: was same Oel Cartony. As far as the second half

585
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: of the game where.

586
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 2: There was a period in the second half or third

587
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 2: quarter particularly, it looked like there were a chance they

588
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 2: were going to blow another big lead. They steadied, there

589
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 2: was a great goal by Acres that really I felt

590
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 2: at that moment they were going to win the game.

591
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 2: Then there was another flurry basin and they got out

592
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 2: of it. But as they should have, they had a

593
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 2: better side. They had more talent on the park. You know,

594
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 2: Esendam was spirited, but Essident had this habit of giving

595
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 2: up big leads early.

596
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Speaker 1: Well also they are a depleted side Essendon still, so

597
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: I thought again, Essendon played, you know, as you said,

598
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Speaker 1: with spirit. I actually thought that they were good for

599
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: what they had had available and out there. I thought

600
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: Sidon were good.

601
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I can see what Brad's got an Essendon they're

602
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 4: trying to do and with not very many good players,

603
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 4: and I mean that respectfully.

604
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 3: I think they're okay and a horrific injury list and.

605
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 4: A terrible injury list. Carlton have a lot of good

606
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 4: players and not that many injuries.

607
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: Speaking of horrific Bunbury.

608
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 3: Look, none of us were there before. We should declare

609
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 3: this right now. Oh look, North Melbourne don't get many

610
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 3: free to wear games. Although that was a free.

611
00:29:59,000 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: At a small mercy.

612
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 4: We should have been people actually should have been paid

613
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 4: to watch that game.

614
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 3: How many inside fifties did West Coast have for one goal? Yeah,

615
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 3: and they filled the ground and well.

616
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: The thirteen thousand in the temporary stands.

617
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Speaker 3: North well, hey, I thought that was pretty good for

618
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 3: North Melbourne. West Coast out at Bunbury.

619
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Speaker 1: Temporary stands and we're talking about a billion dollar impediment

620
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: to Tasmania getting a game.

621
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 3: Yeah no, no, Well North has to do something and

622
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 3: no sponsors are complaining about their lack of freeow aar games,

623
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 3: so they have to get money somewhere.

624
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 4: And do you know how you get more freewear games?

625
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 3: Co play better?

626
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, you play better? Like I didn't hear Brad Scott

627
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 4: and the North Melbourne administration when they were making back

628
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 4: to back prelims complain. I'll pour us twenty times, but

629
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 4: there's a lot of poor us coming from North Melbourne

630
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 4: at the moment. They are there to win games of football.

631
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 4: That the whole money thing is is secondary. And I

632
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 4: just thought it was a really poor look for the

633
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 4: competition yesterday. And I thought it was a really poor

634
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 4: look for North. I understand they got the win, but

635
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 4: you know, if we're going to have a sor conversation

636
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 4: about this footy club, the fact that with all the

637
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 4: help that they've been given by the AFL, with all

638
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 4: the draft picks they've had, with Clarko going there, and

639
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 4: they are still only just falling over the line against

640
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 4: one of the worst teams we've seen. That's that's a worry.

641
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 3: Carrow is Clark, I still got it? Do you think,

642
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 3: I mean you have to at some point question whether

643
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 3: he's still the coach that he was.

644
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd be guessing. I mean, only the players that

645
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 4: have been coached by him and are currently being coached

646
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 4: by him now could answer that.

647
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: One of the worst teams you've seen, there's two wins

648
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: between them, two differentiating them. I mean, they're not North

649
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: sitting third bottom now, they've been in that bottom four

650
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: for a long time, so they've there's not a lot

651
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: different between them. We should have expected too much more

652
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: from it.

653
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 4: But they've had lease a lot more access to high

654
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 4: end talent through the draft than West Coast have.

655
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you think, more broadly, carry about the

656
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: fact that we end up with through these by rounds,

657
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: this crappy Sunday?

658
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was.

659
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 4: Well.

660
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: Look, I mean well afternoon, the nightgame.

661
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 3: Come listening on paper, seventy four thousand people, there were

662
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 3: still a good game. Horrible night, horrible Sunday night at

663
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 3: the MCG. I know they're two big clubs, but they're

664
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 3: both going pretty ordinarily, So that is a that's a

665
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 3: plus and look, Essendon came backs that looked like they

666
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 3: were going to be thrashed. It wasn't a great game.

667
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 3: I don't like I don't like the by rounds, never have.

668
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 3: I certainly don't like this current fixture. It's awful where

669
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 3: they spread it out over so many weeks. I'd rather

670
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 3: nip just you know, give us one week with two

671
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 3: headline games Friday night, Saturday night or whatever, and then

672
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 3: and the rest of it.

673
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 2: Just yeah, agree, just another thing. The NRL gets a

674
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 2: lot of state of origin momentum in the Northern States

675
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 2: at this time of year. It's something we tend to be.

676
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 2: We can be in a sort of a bunker of

677
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 2: AFL that this is the only thing that exists.

678
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 3: Well, no, it's not, and you've written about that.

679
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, the AFL W is a real concern in the

680
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 2: getting close to two million people. It should be an

681
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 2: absolute warning for the AFL.

682
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 3: And outrating AFL games now two years in a row,

683
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 3: two years in an rl W nrl W outrating an

684
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 3: AFL game.

685
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 2: Close to two million viewers.

686
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 4: So we're still playing the Grand Final on a Saturday afternoon.

687
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 3: It's got nothing to do.

688
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 4: I've got everything to do.

689
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 2: With it.

690
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 3: No, this is a different situation. You've got two night

691
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 3: games and nrl W State of Origin game and an

692
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 3: AFL game you know for premiership points, both on a

693
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 3: Thursday night. I think it was a Friday and Thursday

694
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 3: night last year, Friday night this year wasn't anyway, there

695
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 3: were two night games and I don't think AFL Grand

696
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 3: Final been played in the day. Is putting people in

697
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 3: Sydney of watching AFL. I don't believe that for a minute.

698
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 3: And I've written about You've written about we need more

699
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 3: radical fixtures.

700
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 2: Well particularly we need I think that this is a

701
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 2: with the Matildas and now nrl W State of Origin

702
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 2: they've got to respond. I know we're out of season

703
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 2: for FLW. This is a bit of a mini crisis here,

704
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 2: I reckon.

705
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 3: Well, particularly when and I mentioned Jeff Brown as a

706
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 3: potential potential chairman of the commission and he's only very

707
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 3: recently stepped down from Collingwood. You think back to what

708
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 3: happened in the eighties at the AFL and what they

709
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 3: did and the decisions they made and the radical things

710
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 3: they you know, they made. There was some stuff ups,

711
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 3: but they completely reshaped and changed the competition and they

712
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 3: made some really bold brave moves. Where are those bold

713
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 3: brave moves now?

714
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: Well, the thing was that the AFL used to be

715
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: the one that put all other sporting competitions on the

716
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: back foot and challenged them to match them. They would

717
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:39,280
Speaker 1: do things that were innovative, play, move teams into new territory,

718
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,240
Speaker 1: which is meant to put him into new time slots.

719
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: Now the AFL is on the back foot and they

720
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 1: don't know which way to go.

721
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 2: Peter respond love him all over him. Two things about

722
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 2: him He doesn't die wondering. He does things. He's a doer.

723
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,720
Speaker 2: And the second thing is he doesn't do things by process, clearly,

724
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 2: he just does them. And secondly, he has a level

725
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 2: of access and support. I bought not an unconnected matter

726
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,760
Speaker 2: with media that puts the AFL on the shade.

727
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 3: Well, there's a suggestion, or there were indications things might

728
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 3: change now that someone like Gregg Swan's coming in to

729
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 3: run a foot. I don't think there'll be all that

730
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 3: much process with gregg'slock.

731
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: We'll move on because it's not going to be four o'clock.

732
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 1: We'll move on and Hawthorn and the Bulldogs. Just as

733
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: we were talking about spent first five minutes talking about

734
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,240
Speaker 1: May and Gorne. We've come away from this great Hawthorn

735
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: win and we're talking about show boating from Jack Gineber,

736
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: which has basically been the conversation of the weekend since

737
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 1: What did you make of? Firstly that, but then the

738
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 1: different Hawthorne after the week before?

739
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 4: Just quickly from me? I love the whole innovant thing,

740
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 4: and it probably helped by the fact that I'm a neutral.

741
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 4: I spoke to some Hawthorne people who just sort of

742
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 4: rolled their eyes, and you really need to do that.

743
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,359
Speaker 4: I spoke to some Bulldogs people who are pretty pissed

744
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 4: off about it. But the game is made on theater,

745
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 4: and I don't care what you say. Jack Ineman puts

746
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:03,280
Speaker 4: bums on seat.

747
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 3: Wouldn't have been that theatrical if he fully shanked the kick,

748
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 3: which he almost did.

749
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: Were those Hawthorne people that he spoke to that said, well,

750
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: did he really need to do that? Maybe your choll

751
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 1: and some of the Hawthorne players that really didn't like it.

752
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 4: I did speak to it a couple of his teammates,

753
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 4: but I think largely the sentiment around Jack is it

754
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 4: he's good for the game, but you know, it blows

755
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 4: up in your face every now and then. But I

756
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 4: think you probably take the good with the bad Jack.

757
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 4: That's my view.

758
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 3: I still can't get over the Brody Grundy. See you

759
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 3: in two weeks. I know people think I overstated that,

760
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 3: but that was so damaging to Hawthorne's finals chance.

761
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: It was going to the races the night before the

762
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 1: Grand Final.

763
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 3: Well that sort of.

764
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 4: That didn't say that an Instagram comment damaged Hawthorne's finals chances.

765
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,879
Speaker 3: I do, Oh, come on, they lost the next game

766
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 3: by three points or something. They lost by listening to

767
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 3: goal It fired Adelaide up.

768
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 4: Adelaide bought Adelaide need extra motivation for a final Sam.

769
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:01,800
Speaker 3: That's irrelevant to me. It doesn't matter about what they needed.

770
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 3: That fired up a team in a line ball game,

771
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 3: if it was a difference between a goal or not.

772
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 3: I think Hawthorne had every right to be filthy at

773
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 3: Guinevan and I bit you he never does it again.

774
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 2: I would just say, if you do these things, you

775
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 2: have to win, and if you hold the ball out,

776
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 2: which I like the theater of it, we'd be colossal

777
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 2: hypocrites when we're talking about this and feeding off it

778
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 2: and getting all this media attraction out of Jack Ginovan

779
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 2: to bag him too much for that holding the ball up,

780
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 2: but you don't want to drop it. So that's my

781
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 2: point is if you've got to make it, you've got

782
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 2: to make it work. You to do these things. Fine,

783
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 2: you've got to make it.

784
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 3: And if you take money from junior footy clinics, he

785
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 3: should turn up as well. He's got a few priors.

786
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,919
Speaker 4: When he went on social media at Glease and said

787
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 4: I'm paraphrasing him here, I can't a guy have fun

788
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 4: or something? When he justified after the game Bro Bro

789
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 4: he did, he's a bit of Mario Balatelli about Ginevan.

790
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 4: I don't know if all of our listeners know him

791
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 4: through infamous soccer player that finished his career with sort

792
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 4: of Manchester City. In ac Milan, he used to hold

793
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 4: up a jumper underneath his City jump which said why

794
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 4: always me? You know, it's basically like why is it

795
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 4: everyone always having a goal with me? Which is basically

796
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 4: what Jack said on the weekend. You know, the two

797
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 4: things those guys have in common, apart from being villains,

798
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 4: the actual talent very underrated, Like can we just remove

799
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 4: the return footballer?

800
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:25,879
Speaker 3: Yeah?

801
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 4: Any pretty value, wasn't he Sam?

802
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 3: He did his penance in the twos and he, you know,

803
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 3: seemed to have taken that on the.

804
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 4: Chin coaching and what do you have on the had

805
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 4: twenty three and kick too?

806
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 3: I played really well. Lee Matthews was pretty scathing, called

807
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 3: him a smart ass on foot on Monday Night. Yeah,

808
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 3: he didn't like it.

809
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 2: Well, you tend to listen to Lee from that era,

810
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 2: you know, where you didn't draw attention to yourself. But

811
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 2: we're in We're we're now in an attention economy and

812
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 2: and we're in a social media world where drawing attention

813
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 2: to oneself is the commodity. We've got a president of

814
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 2: the United States that doesn't warring with the guy one

815
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 2: of the platforms broadly. No, No, I'm just talking about

816
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:09,240
Speaker 2: the new landscap.

817
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 4: Trump and Elon making a metull on the Age Footy podcast.

818
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 1: Does that bring us to more broadly though, yes it does.

819
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: But I thought more broadly after thirty two tackles the

820
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 1: week before this was a Hawthorne team that came out

821
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: with a bit of grit about them, yep, and a

822
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: bit of resolve and it was a troubling result for

823
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: the Bulldogs in the same breath, and I thought Darcy

824
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 1: comes back in hopefully as soon as the next match,

825
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 1: and they can't. That can't happen quickly enough because they've

826
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: just dropped out of the eight. And I think I

827
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 1: still think they're a Premiership contender with him back in

828
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: the team and things clicking for them, But this that

829
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 1: was troubling, troubling loss for them. Yeah, Bailey Smith, the

830
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 1: fireside chat with Bill's is what you were getting to Yep, yeah,

831
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 1: it was. It was initially reported or not even reported,

832
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: I think aline A subheadline was was added that he

833
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: kept Albanezy waiting, which wasn't true. He didn't do that.

834
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: He was back at the AFL by five point thirty

835
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 1: and at the game on time and was never expected

836
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 1: to be meeting alban easy but he well, not hosting

837
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 1: alban EZI sorry he did dumb. He was expected to

838
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: drop in a meet with him. But yeah, I think

839
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: I don't know what your take on it was, but

840
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: he went down. It seems to be part of this

841
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: determination to try and personalize a bit more of the

842
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: connection between the headquarters and clubs and players. And he

843
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: knows his dad Nick from Yeah.

844
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 3: But don't underplay how worried they are about his behavior

845
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 3: and how concerned some people at Geelong are. What did

846
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 3: Patrick Dangerfield say on the weekend? He colors outside the lines, well,

847
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 3: most people color inside well. He made one of those

848
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 3: classic Patrick Dangerfield comments. I don't. I think everyone's been

849
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 3: very diplomatic about Bally Smith and he's playing some wonderful footing.

850
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: That was their motivation is to say, do you fully

851
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 1: understand how important football is here? But also how important

852
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: you are the football and the game, And that's you

853
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 1: don't go racing down the coast for player thirty two

854
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 1: at the Tigers at the moment, you're just he's one

855
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: of the best players in the competition. And the AFL

856
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 1: leader needed to make that.

857
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:25,720
Speaker 3: What about the old fashioned view that the mountain Mohammad

858
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 3: should have gone to the mountain and not the other

859
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 3: way around.

860
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: I think in the simpler sense, what's the most comfortable environment,

861
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: Let's go down and actually is it hauling him before

862
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: you know that? It's a very different feel if you

863
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: tell the player come up and see us at the

864
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,439
Speaker 1: AFL headquarters and walk in like you know, the naughty boy,

865
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: or you go down and have a more relaxed conversation

866
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: at his place. I have no problem with that. I

867
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: think it was smarter.

868
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 3: Because there are ways of communicating with people like Lally Smith,

869
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 3: and he doesn't take feedback particularly well if it's delivered.

870
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 4: The wrong way.

871
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 2: I thought it was really clever to go down there.

872
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 2: I think it was really smart because the dynamic looks

873
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 2: like he's going to Bailey Smith and that Bailey Smith's

874
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,280
Speaker 2: in the power, in the position of power in this dealing,

875
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:11,919
Speaker 2: when in fact, I would put together reverse is true

876
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 2: that Andrew Dylon is by going to see Bailey Smith's

877
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 2: gaining some something.

878
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 3: That Steve Hawking, Chris Scott, she would have loved to

879
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 3: have been a fly on the wall the way they

880
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 3: chose there on the.

881
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 2: Tree would have got some subtitles.

882
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 3: I reckon in the fireplace.

883
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 4: I just hope that the game doesn't ostracize itself from Bailey.

884
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: That's well, that was the point they was trying to make.

885
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: We just keep punishing players like him, like Willie with

886
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: just fining and finding, you know, he's flipping the bird,

887
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: and we do all of that, and we just keep

888
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: you know, getting into them that that sort of punitive

889
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,720
Speaker 1: measures not really working to change his behaviors.

890
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 3: But don't think flipping the birds issue with Bailey that

891
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 3: they can.

892
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: But it's the issue of just constant penal and let's

893
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: just take a penalty first approach to handling someone. I

894
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,839
Speaker 1: don't think that was what they think. I think it's

895
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: what they want to get away for.

896
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,240
Speaker 2: Is there a double standard at hearty where the AFL,

897
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 2: which came up with the Ken Hinckley suspension. With the

898
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 2: AFL wants these players or individuals or conflicts that draw

899
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 2: an audience and interest, and social media makes this even

900
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 2: bigger with Bailey. Bailey's the first player to be the

901
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:29,240
Speaker 2: biggest figure in the game based on social not on media.

902
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 2: It's the first time that's happened in the history of

903
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 2: the code. Right, So he's a new number one player

904
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 2: in a team in the in the sort of new

905
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 2: media setup.

906
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 4: In fact, you wrote that column almost four years ago

907
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 4: in Grand follow a Weekending Earth.

908
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 2: At Baslinker at Baslinka at Baslinka. So he's he's got

909
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 2: a different place in the game to anyone else. And

910
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 2: if people want, one of the reasons he has all

911
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:54,919
Speaker 2: these followers and he has all this interest is because

912
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 2: he's edgy and because he's pushing the boundaries. So on

913
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 2: one hand, you want to bring him into line. On

914
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 2: the hand, your profiting essentially from.

915
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 3: His and because of the way. Yeah, I said to

916
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 3: her a couple of blokes when we went to Geelong

917
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 3: that day for that preseason catch up, Remember he was

918
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 3: wondering and he made some smart remark to me, you know,

919
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 3: Carol will be bagging me or something, and I said, oh,

920
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 3: he was wondering about with his shirt. Often these two

921
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 3: very good former players said if I look like that,

922
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:27,439
Speaker 3: I would never.

923
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: Would never wear it. I would never wear like that

924
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: line in Date Night Steve Carrell film when he walked

925
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: into Wilbert Wahlberg, also without a shirt.

926
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 4: To get for the love of Don. The point that

927
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 4: I was trying to raise was, you know, there's been

928
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 4: some interviews that he's given on seven about some of

929
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 4: the work that he's had to had to do and

930
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 4: you know, like playing video games so he stays away

931
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 4: from alcohol that sort of stuff. And then I don't

932
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 4: know if you guys listened in full to the podcast

933
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,720
Speaker 4: he did recently speaking about about his mental health battle

934
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 4: about his demons, and I was I've got emotional listening

935
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 4: to that. I thought you poor poor bloke, like going

936
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 4: for all that. Now, there's stuff that will be out

937
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 4: of his control, and there's stuff that will be self

938
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 4: inflicted wounds. But I just think that, you know, listening

939
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 4: to someone talk about his health battles like that, football

940
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 4: is clearly such an important vehicle for his happiness. So

941
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 4: I just hope that I hope that the game and

942
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 4: I hope that Bailey have each other for a long time.

943
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so okay, that's the only point. Everyone's advocate

944
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 3: Mary white House for one moment. There are hundreds of

945
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 3: thousands of fifteen year olds who adore him, and some

946
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 3: of those will now equate winning a premiership going out

947
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:41,760
Speaker 3: and getting on the gear.

948
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 4: And that's not cool.

949
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 3: And I just don't I don't think that, and I

950
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 3: know people would go to you know, you're a hundred.

951
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 4: And mental health shouldn't be used as an excuse for

952
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 4: that at all. I'm separating it from that that behavior

953
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 4: is incorrect and he should be punished for it. I'm

954
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 4: just saying separately to that as a human being, you know.

955
00:45:57,719 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 2: Talking about the suspension or talking about the comments that

956
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 2: were on Instagram. On Instagram, yeah.

957
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: Maybe they do. Maybe they also just think he was

958
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 1: having fun. I think that brought the other element to

959
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: the meeting between Dylan and him was also I think

960
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: it can't be disconnected from the Willy reoal. I think

961
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: I think because that was that was part of that

962
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,240
Speaker 1: motivation with Willy. I mean, talking to someone at the AFL,

963
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: they said Willie would have received more fines for off

964
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: field stuff than any other player by the length of

965
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: the strait in the last five or th years. And

966
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 1: just you've got a player of limited education. They were

967
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: trying to manage him. Now they bugget it up. They

968
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: misread the room. They should he deserved the penalty in

969
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: the first instance, but their intent was good. In as

970
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: much as do we want to just keep do we

971
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:43,800
Speaker 1: want to drive this guy out of the game, we

972
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: need to manage players a little bit differently when they

973
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 1: are off field incidents. I know you've spoken about this

974
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: joke about how the AFL gets into difficulties where on

975
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: the field we have this this matrix of you know,

976
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 1: your algorithm to come up with a what a penalty

977
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,919
Speaker 1: will be, and we don't have that for off field.

978
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 2: But because there's more nance, not only do we not

979
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 2: have that, which maybe we can't they don't have even principles.

980
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 2: I'm not talking about you have to have set penalties.

981
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 2: I'm talking about you have to have a guiding philosophy.

982
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 4: They don't even have that, and they haven't for years.

983
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 3: And I just at one moment of cynicism, one will apparently,

984
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 3: you know, it's good for him to go out and

985
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,919
Speaker 3: spend the day fishing. But do you think that even

986
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 3: though he's not an old zav and it was it

987
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 3: was a bit longer to travel that it might have

988
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 3: been maybe someone at the AFL should have thought about

989
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,879
Speaker 3: paying Willy Rioli a visit and talking to him about

990
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 3: his troubles. And maybe they did. But I'm just you know,

991
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 3: I would hope that it's.

992
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 2: A busy parting company with the with the inclusion department.

993
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 4: I'm not sure hasn't need to do it.

994
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 3: Come on, their mates, Dylan and Bailismith's father know each other.

995
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,760
Speaker 4: And I'm not sure that is a connection.

996
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: We'll take a break there, come back with quick questions.

997
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: Get access to every episode as it drops. Did subscribe

998
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts.

999
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 4: Miller might make it work. McCrae Ford Handball two, Wanganeen

1000
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 4: Miller are off a step.

1001
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:25,760
Speaker 2: That is perfect.

1002
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 1: Welcome back and we go straight into quick questions. One

1003
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: for you, Caro, where do you think Wanganeen Malira will

1004
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 1: play next year?

1005
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 3: Well, I should say you know, I reported on Channel

1006
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 3: seven that he not on a nine program. You shouldn't

1007
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:42,320
Speaker 3: his camp. His camp is reluctant for him to go

1008
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 3: to the Adelaide Football Club and that some Kildare and

1009
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 3: Port Adelaide are aware of that because he still has

1010
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 3: some issues and so to many in the South Australian

1011
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 3: Indigenous community. With Taylor Walker, Adelaide deny this. Ben Williams's

1012
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 3: manager denies this. They feel they are very much still

1013
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 3: in the game Adelaide. My view is that Port Adelaide

1014
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 3: are ahead. But my stronger view is that we spoke

1015
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:09,760
Speaker 3: earlier in the show about deconing Sinkilda have to prioritize Desiah.

1016
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 2: It's just just doesn't just quickly. Hasn't gonna malaria, hasn't

1017
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 2: a sigh. It's been on the record. I think with

1018
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 2: AFL dot com saying that he wants to stay, no.

1019
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,919
Speaker 3: He's saying no, not quite. He's talked about he's really

1020
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 3: happy at sin Kilda. I think it's a worry for

1021
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 3: sin Kilda and they're worried too that he hasn't signed yet,

1022
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 3: because you would think he would have by now. He

1023
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 3: certainly is very fond of ross Lyon. He's had a

1024
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 3: lot of support and sin Kilda have a very good

1025
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 3: record Rosslyne does with indigenous players. But I think there

1026
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 3: are elements of Melbourne he really doesn't enjoy it. So

1027
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 3: let's see. But I think it's just too too hard

1028
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 3: to call. But Sinkilda can keep him if they match.

1029
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 4: You're saying that Adelaider out though, that is my view.

1030
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 3: Adelaide vehemently deny it, which is.

1031
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 2: No surprise really the management you want him.

1032
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:00,760
Speaker 4: You want to your leverage on an Overridge.

1033
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: Wellso if you're looking at it in a football sense,

1034
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 1: you'd say go to Adelaide and Adelaide.

1035
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 3: Looking he's been talking to both Adelaide and Port Adelaide

1036
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 3: over the last couple of weeks and every offer is

1037
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 3: on the table right, And the view is it's not

1038
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 3: about mone It's actually a.

1039
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 4: Great point in please wise, right.

1040
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 2: Adelaide Adelaide would be the best place to a flag.

1041
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 2: But those things can change, yeah they can.

1042
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: Well if you Sam is the absence of Joe Dan

1043
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: Herb Brisbane been underestimated for how they're traveling this year.

1044
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 4: No, I don't think so, because I think when he

1045
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 4: retired with a year left on his contract, we were

1046
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 4: all well aware of how good a player he was,

1047
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 4: and you know if he'd been part of any forward

1048
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 4: line that they would miss him. Because key forwards who

1049
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,320
Speaker 4: kicked fifty goals in a season that can pinch it

1050
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 4: in the ruck don't grow on trues. We know that.

1051
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 4: So I think Brisbane has done a marvelous job without him,

1052
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 4: quite frankly, but I don't think it's been underestimated, and.

1053
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:53,959
Speaker 1: Given that we've mentioned it virtually every week, we haven't

1054
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 1: underestimated it. Jake, should the Bulldogs persist with Aaron Norton

1055
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,760
Speaker 1: as a forward bearing Mam? We know Luke Beverage almost certainly,

1056
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 1: but what's your view on where Norton should be played.

1057
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,760
Speaker 2: I think they should trial him behind the ball strongly,

1058
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 2: But I believe that for a long time and give

1059
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 2: it three weeks and see how he goes, because I

1060
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 2: think he's just not playing well. He's had a few injuries,

1061
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 2: but he's not playing well. And with Darcy there there's

1062
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,720
Speaker 2: a great opportunity to do it. I've never been convinced

1063
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:18,439
Speaker 2: by Rory Lobb.

1064
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: No, but he's he's having some of the best in

1065
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: some of the best form of his career, which is

1066
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: not a huge statement, but he's His ability to go

1067
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,280
Speaker 1: forward the other night did have an impact in getting

1068
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 1: the Bulldogs back into that concept.

1069
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 3: So beverages Adam and he won't though, No, that's.

1070
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 1: Right, But I think that point I made as well

1071
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 1: as when you see Sicily the versatility and the impact

1072
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: not so much obviously this year in the way he's gone,

1073
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: but having that player that can if you have Lob

1074
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 1: and Norton freely able to flip ends depending on the

1075
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 1: circumstances and the need, I think that only adds to

1076
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 1: the to the team, not not diminishes it. Anyway, that's

1077
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 1: all we've got time for this week. Thanks to all three, Caro,

1078
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: Jac and Sam for joining us. Thanks also to Channel

1079
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: seven and Fox Footy for the audio we've used in

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00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 1: this episode. If you'd like to get in touch, you

1081
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 1: can do so via email, Real Footy pod at Theage

1082
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,120
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1083
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1084
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