1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:03,600 S1: Rita Saffioti is in the news today. Yep. So she 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:06,600 S1: wants a per kilometre tax on electric and hybrid vehicles 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:09,400 S1: phased in so that there's no surprise. Sting for the 4 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:12,400 S1: thousands of people that are flocking to EV cars as 5 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:14,600 S1: a result of the fuel crisis. So apparently the the 6 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:18,200 S1: loans for EV cars has increased by 90% in a 7 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:20,800 S1: month and 270% year on year, while the loans for 8 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:23,760 S1: fuel vehicles fell 12%. And that's because you said a 9 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:26,880 S1: road user charge for electric and hybrid vehicles is necessary 10 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:30,160 S1: for the sake of fairness. As EV drivers, they avoid 11 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:32,879 S1: fuel excise at the petrol bowser. So people like me, 12 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:36,320 S1: we have to pay the excise, whereas the electric drivers don't. 13 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:39,040 S1: So the McGowan government had announced plans to introduce a 14 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:44,800 S1: charge of $2.05 per kilometre from 2027 and 2.5 cents 15 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,560 S1: per kilometre for plug in hybrid. So the same. So 16 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,040 S1: 2.5 cents two and a half cents if you drive 17 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:54,040 S1: an electric vehicle or a hybrid from 2027. So the 18 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:57,639 S1: McGowan government that's going back well that will deal with that. 19 00:00:57,680 --> 00:00:59,680 S1: Yeah that's true. That is a long way back isn't it. 20 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:01,960 S2: So they actually had that on the table because Rita 21 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:05,310 S2: Saffioti was also quoted as saying, are we better not 22 00:01:05,310 --> 00:01:07,990 S2: do anything until we let people know? So people that 23 00:01:07,990 --> 00:01:11,589 S2: have got existing cars, they shouldn't be penalised because they 24 00:01:11,590 --> 00:01:13,670 S2: bought it on the basis that they didn't think they'd 25 00:01:13,670 --> 00:01:14,870 S2: have to be paying the excise. 26 00:01:14,910 --> 00:01:16,550 S1: Correct. So but if they say, well, they need to, 27 00:01:16,590 --> 00:01:18,389 S1: they need to pick up this money that they're losing 28 00:01:18,390 --> 00:01:21,270 S1: because of not getting this, um, this fuel excise that 29 00:01:21,270 --> 00:01:24,470 S1: they're getting from the petrol vehicles or diesel vehicles. So 30 00:01:24,510 --> 00:01:26,830 S1: that that plan had been in case the government, they 31 00:01:26,830 --> 00:01:29,870 S1: support a nationally consistent approach to road user charging for 32 00:01:29,870 --> 00:01:33,270 S1: electric and hybrid vehicles. So all motorists contribute their fair 33 00:01:33,270 --> 00:01:36,630 S1: share to road funding. That's what she said, right. 34 00:01:36,670 --> 00:01:39,950 S2: So if you are going to have a situation where 35 00:01:40,069 --> 00:01:44,470 S2: people are looking at buying an electric car, they need 36 00:01:44,470 --> 00:01:46,910 S2: to be clear about what the ongoing costs are going 37 00:01:46,910 --> 00:01:48,830 S2: to be. But I also believe that if they're driving 38 00:01:48,830 --> 00:01:51,510 S2: on a road, what's the difference whether they are a 39 00:01:51,550 --> 00:01:55,230 S2: person who is driving an electric vehicle or one that's 40 00:01:55,230 --> 00:01:58,430 S2: powered by petrol because they're still putting wear and tear 41 00:01:58,430 --> 00:01:59,190 S2: on our road system? 42 00:01:59,230 --> 00:02:00,710 S1: Yes, that's what they're trying to get some money out 43 00:02:00,710 --> 00:02:03,030 S1: of those people, instead of just the money that they 44 00:02:03,030 --> 00:02:05,270 S1: get from the fuel excise to fund those roads, they 45 00:02:05,270 --> 00:02:07,410 S1: need to get the electric vehicles to be doing that. 46 00:02:07,450 --> 00:02:10,410 S2: And just while we're on safety, Mark says good morning. 47 00:02:10,410 --> 00:02:12,609 S2: If the Cook Government was serious about road safety, they 48 00:02:12,610 --> 00:02:15,970 S2: would bring back the traffic division. Remember the RTA, Road 49 00:02:16,010 --> 00:02:19,690 S2: Traffic Authority? It was disbanded in 1982, according to Mark 50 00:02:19,690 --> 00:02:22,850 S2: by the commissioner Porter. But they won't because they make 51 00:02:22,850 --> 00:02:25,730 S2: so much revenue from cameras. Whitby is just a wet 52 00:02:25,770 --> 00:02:28,290 S2: lettuce as police minister. That's from Mark. 53 00:02:28,610 --> 00:02:30,810 S1: Just a quick question. You know, like when people plug 54 00:02:30,810 --> 00:02:33,889 S1: in and fuel up at at one of those electric stations, 55 00:02:33,889 --> 00:02:34,850 S1: do they pay for that? 56 00:02:35,570 --> 00:02:37,850 S2: Um, I have no idea. I haven't got an electric car. 57 00:02:38,050 --> 00:02:40,450 S2: I gather that some of them. Would you pay for 58 00:02:40,889 --> 00:02:43,169 S2: that be privately provided. But yeah. 59 00:02:43,610 --> 00:02:45,609 S1: It's like in the shopping centers and stuff. Are they. 60 00:02:45,850 --> 00:02:46,530 S1: Do you have to pay? 61 00:02:46,570 --> 00:02:48,609 S2: I don't know, I've got an electric car. Anyone know? 62 00:02:49,090 --> 00:02:51,770 S1: Yeah, I don't have one. 133 credit card. You have 63 00:02:51,770 --> 00:02:53,130 S1: to pay. Or is it free? 64 00:02:53,370 --> 00:02:56,490 S2: Right. If nothing's free in life, someone's paying for the power. 65 00:02:56,530 --> 00:02:56,930 S1: Yes. 66 00:02:56,970 --> 00:02:59,010 S2: Yeah. To generate it. Yeah, that's a good question. I 67 00:02:59,010 --> 00:03:01,890 S2: don't know if you are an electric car owner. Tell us, 68 00:03:01,889 --> 00:03:04,370 S2: how does it work? Seb, do you know you've done 69 00:03:04,370 --> 00:03:06,970 S2: an electric car? I've got a diesel now. Yeah, he's 70 00:03:06,970 --> 00:03:10,169 S2: always behind the times. Get with the program.