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S2: Hey. Your dad is very sick.

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S3: Daddy, I love you.

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S4: Don't go. Please, not now.

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S6: He never even liked me.

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S7: Frank. I mean, is he gone?

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S8: Welcome to the Drop and our Succession Recap podcast. I'm

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S8: Osman Farooqi. I'm here with Thomas Mitchell and Meg Watson

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S8: to break down Episode three of Successions fourth season. Boy,

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S9: What an episode. Oh my God. Christ, Christ has risen

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S9: and Logan Roy has died.

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S8: We're doing all right. Thomas, are you doing okay? Look,

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S9: Pearce Is that still in the air? Like I think

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S10: Yeah, I guess. But you think there'd be like more

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S8: But a couple of things quickly emerge. Cory is like

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S10: Yeah, he's lost his protector in Logan. This was kind

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S10: That was really weird, that scene where like, I mean, again,

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S10: you also go to ATM And he's been tasked with

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S10: it really it's impossible to tell, I think, who is

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S10: be rooting for because you've got this team like you said,

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S8: Was really interesting this episode. A bunch of the characters

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S8: where Tom is basically saying, Greg, you're irrelevant, no one

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S8: likes you, I've got a whole bunch of like second

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S8: rate Greg islets that I'm using. You're not part of

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S8: the picture anymore. But then as soon as Logan disappears,

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S8: We're in this together. You go do these tasks for me. Also,

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S8: can you let it be known in the media that

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S8: And Jerry's another one. Jerry starts the episode being fired

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S8: it is really interesting how obviously, even though this show

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S9: I guess it's also because we've been positioned to see

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S9: Logan as someone who can't die. You know, it's the

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S9: way that all his kids talk about him. As for

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447
00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,980
S9: And so you kind of don't even play the end

448
00:20:20,980 --> 00:20:23,980
S9: game out. You don't have the theories or the exact

449
00:20:23,980 --> 00:20:25,959
S9: machinations of how it will work. And so it is

450
00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:27,880
S9: kind of surprising, especially when he dies in the way

451
00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,939
S9: that he does, just out of nowhere in the air. Yeah.

452
00:20:30,940 --> 00:20:33,100
S8: What do we think about the decision that I think

453
00:20:33,100 --> 00:20:36,640
S8: most of us thought that there wouldn't save a potential

454
00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:38,260
S8: death like this for the very end because we want

455
00:20:38,260 --> 00:20:40,920
S8: to see the consequences play out. But episode three out

456
00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:44,400
S8: of ten is pretty early. What do you think about that, Thomas?

457
00:20:44,490 --> 00:20:47,970
S10: I mean, I think massive respect to the creators. I

458
00:20:47,970 --> 00:20:51,179
S10: think it's a huge play. And now in like the

459
00:20:51,180 --> 00:20:53,189
S10: benefit of hindsight, I think it's a great play because

460
00:20:53,190 --> 00:20:56,010
S10: you've now got, you know, whatever, six remaining episodes, seven

461
00:20:56,010 --> 00:21:00,190
S10: remaining episodes for us to watch the fallout had, you know,

462
00:21:00,190 --> 00:21:01,649
S10: when Logan was going to die in this episode, you

463
00:21:01,650 --> 00:21:06,060
S10: would expect some massive emotional arc, some like another stirring speech.

464
00:21:06,060 --> 00:21:09,570
S10: But he says like maybe 20 words in this episode,

465
00:21:09,570 --> 00:21:11,670
S10: like we got the big speech last week. He had

466
00:21:11,670 --> 00:21:13,649
S10: his big like last week. Logan was like best on

467
00:21:13,650 --> 00:21:16,470
S10: ground MVP, and this week it was nothing like even

468
00:21:16,470 --> 00:21:18,570
S10: his last line is just like a few instructions to

469
00:21:18,570 --> 00:21:21,320
S10: Tom and that's it. And then like, yeah, like I

470
00:21:21,390 --> 00:21:23,879
S10: said before, we don't even see the death. He just like,

471
00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,490
S10: we just see you on the floor. Such a kind of,

472
00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:30,510
S10: I don't know, undignified death for a larger than life character.

473
00:21:30,510 --> 00:21:32,340
S10: But then it had to be that way. Like if

474
00:21:32,340 --> 00:21:35,190
S10: you had given Logan a final moment, it just wouldn't

475
00:21:35,190 --> 00:21:37,520
S10: have felt true to like, the succession canon.

476
00:21:37,530 --> 00:21:41,129
S9: I also feel like Logan probably would have liked the

477
00:21:41,130 --> 00:21:43,380
S9: way he died, and I know that he died essentially

478
00:21:43,380 --> 00:21:44,699
S9: in a toilet on a plane.

479
00:21:44,790 --> 00:21:45,859
S16: But I.

480
00:21:45,869 --> 00:21:47,220
S17: Elvis Exactly.

481
00:21:47,730 --> 00:21:50,490
S9: Good enough for him. But I mean, you know, he

482
00:21:50,490 --> 00:21:53,280
S9: was he went out swinging. He was talking about knifing,

483
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,790
S9: said knifing. Jerry, He's always said life is like a

484
00:21:56,790 --> 00:21:59,730
S9: fight in the mud with a knife. So that's exactly

485
00:21:59,730 --> 00:22:01,980
S9: what he was doing. And he was doing business. I

486
00:22:01,980 --> 00:22:04,500
S9: feel like in the first episode of Succession, Logan didn't

487
00:22:04,500 --> 00:22:07,050
S9: respect that Kendall had chosen to come to his birthday

488
00:22:07,050 --> 00:22:09,570
S9: party and he wanted to him to go out and

489
00:22:09,570 --> 00:22:11,490
S9: close some deal. And that's exactly what Logan was doing.

490
00:22:11,490 --> 00:22:13,590
S9: He wasn't at his son's wedding. He was doing business,

491
00:22:13,590 --> 00:22:17,310
S9: getting deals done, knifing people in the mud, and he

492
00:22:17,310 --> 00:22:19,470
S9: just went out swinging. He probably would have liked it.

493
00:22:19,740 --> 00:22:21,990
S8: Yeah. I think the last thing I want to say

494
00:22:21,990 --> 00:22:24,780
S8: about the decision to have him go out in this

495
00:22:24,780 --> 00:22:28,169
S8: way is that the death was always going to be

496
00:22:28,170 --> 00:22:31,290
S8: a huge moment for the show. Doing it in episode

497
00:22:31,290 --> 00:22:36,420
S8: three is a surprise and quite a shock. But they didn't.

498
00:22:36,420 --> 00:22:39,780
S8: The show's creators didn't just rely on that moment of

499
00:22:39,780 --> 00:22:42,210
S8: his death as a kind of gimmick to get us

500
00:22:42,210 --> 00:22:45,119
S8: to be all shocked and like, Oh my God, what

501
00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,580
S8: have they done? This is such a bold move. The

502
00:22:47,580 --> 00:22:51,900
S8: actual physical death of Logan is dealt with pretty quickly.

503
00:22:51,900 --> 00:22:55,380
S8: What most of the show sits on for this entire

504
00:22:55,380 --> 00:22:59,040
S8: episode is the emotional and and kind of business and

505
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,190
S8: real world fallout. And that is tricky to do when

506
00:23:02,190 --> 00:23:03,899
S8: you could have just had an episode set at a

507
00:23:03,900 --> 00:23:05,970
S8: wedding and then Logan dies at the end of it

508
00:23:05,970 --> 00:23:07,860
S8: and it's a cliffhanger and then you pick things up.

509
00:23:07,859 --> 00:23:09,900
S8: That would have been a fine way to do it.

510
00:23:09,900 --> 00:23:11,250
S8: It would have been the easy way to do it.

511
00:23:11,250 --> 00:23:13,920
S8: These guys took the hard way and it was so

512
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:17,280
S8: much more rewarding. And I think all like that scene

513
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,530
S8: with all four of the siblings when they finally remember

514
00:23:19,530 --> 00:23:21,750
S8: that Connor exists and they kind of loop him in,

515
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,169
S8: all four of those actors could get an Emmy like

516
00:23:25,170 --> 00:23:27,419
S8: it was an extraordinary performance.

517
00:23:27,420 --> 00:23:29,910
S10: I think it's rather telling that Logan would rather die

518
00:23:29,910 --> 00:23:33,359
S10: than go to Connor's wedding, which just kind of sums

519
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,250
S10: up Connor pretty much. But yeah, I think I saw

520
00:23:35,250 --> 00:23:37,080
S10: an article before. It was like, how long exactly did

521
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:38,879
S10: it take until the siblings told Conroy It was like

522
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:42,570
S10: 15 minutes and 54 seconds or something. I felt, I mean,

523
00:23:42,570 --> 00:23:45,600
S10: that whole scene again, this was an episode of very

524
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,359
S10: Few flaws, but watching Kendall and Shiv go hand in

525
00:23:48,390 --> 00:23:49,950
S10: hand and they kind of just like let the shot

526
00:23:49,950 --> 00:23:51,479
S10: linger of the two of them holding hands before they

527
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,630
S10: go and tell Connor. And then Connor is so heartbreaking,

528
00:23:54,630 --> 00:23:57,030
S10: like when he's like, you know, he never liked me anyway.

529
00:23:57,030 --> 00:23:59,190
S10: And then he kind of catches himself pretty quickly and doesn't,

530
00:23:59,190 --> 00:24:02,340
S10: you know, there's not too much self-pity. But yeah, you know,

531
00:24:02,340 --> 00:24:04,379
S10: you've got to feel for Connor. We haven't even spoken

532
00:24:04,380 --> 00:24:06,120
S10: about him in this pod, which tells you a lot. But,

533
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:07,650
S10: you know, he ends up getting married at the end

534
00:24:07,650 --> 00:24:09,660
S10: of the episode. Yeah. Yeah.

535
00:24:09,660 --> 00:24:11,670
S8: Not to step on a later segment, but he's like

536
00:24:11,670 --> 00:24:14,970
S8: my winner. In this episode, he dealt with the emotional

537
00:24:14,970 --> 00:24:16,740
S8: fallout of his dad dying pretty well, and then he

538
00:24:16,740 --> 00:24:18,600
S8: got married to the love of his life. A good

539
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:19,920
S8: result for him, love of his life.

540
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:21,119
S10: Huge asterisks on that.

541
00:24:22,890 --> 00:24:26,580
S8: Um, this is, I think, a good opportunity to talk

542
00:24:26,580 --> 00:24:30,780
S8: about TV deaths in general because this one did something special,

543
00:24:30,780 --> 00:24:34,500
S8: but it reminded me of a few others and television death.

544
00:24:34,500 --> 00:24:38,550
S8: Sometimes they're great, sometimes they make you really angry, sometimes

545
00:24:38,550 --> 00:24:41,520
S8: they're shocking and sometimes they kill way more people than

546
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:45,600
S8: you thought a show like Grey's Anatomy would ever do. Meg,

547
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,270
S8: tell me what makes a TV death good.

548
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,900
S9: I think it depends on the death. And this one

549
00:24:51,900 --> 00:24:54,330
S9: feels very different to a lot of the big ones

550
00:24:54,330 --> 00:24:56,520
S9: I think people would think of. So the first, when

551
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,649
S9: you think of big TV deaths in recent years, especially,

552
00:24:58,650 --> 00:25:00,660
S9: I think the Red Wedding kind of comes to mind

553
00:25:00,660 --> 00:25:03,170
S9: on Game of Thrones, especially this being a wedding is

554
00:25:03,180 --> 00:25:05,880
S9: a pretty nice parallel. But I think what made that

555
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,420
S9: so shocking was that kind of physical presence, you know,

556
00:25:09,420 --> 00:25:13,140
S9: people bringing out knives and knifing people's pregnant bellies and

557
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:17,189
S9: just having like a full on slaughter. It's the shock

558
00:25:17,190 --> 00:25:19,830
S9: of it that gets people talking. And especially I mean,

559
00:25:19,830 --> 00:25:21,960
S9: this episode will have shock for a lot of people.

560
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,020
S9: Not everyone like us has this weird backstory with HBO.

561
00:25:25,020 --> 00:25:26,340
S8: And Nicholas Brolin sort of hinting.

562
00:25:26,340 --> 00:25:26,520
S16: At it.

563
00:25:27,780 --> 00:25:30,330
S9: Not everyone can be personal friends with Nicholas Braun. Sure.

564
00:25:31,140 --> 00:25:33,690
S9: So I think a big thing that catches people with

565
00:25:33,690 --> 00:25:36,300
S9: these big death moments on TV is the shock. And

566
00:25:36,300 --> 00:25:39,590
S9: so the red wedding came to mind also with Grey's Anatomy. Me.

567
00:25:39,619 --> 00:25:41,119
S9: I'm a long time fan of Grey's Anatomy and a

568
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,220
S9: lot of people have died in that show. But what

569
00:25:43,220 --> 00:25:46,580
S9: I thought of also was the episode there's a shooter

570
00:25:46,580 --> 00:25:48,619
S9: in the hospital and they kill like half the cast

571
00:25:48,619 --> 00:25:51,550
S9: in one go. And it's it comes out of nowhere.

572
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,420
S9: You have no idea what to expect. And it's just

573
00:25:53,420 --> 00:25:56,600
S9: this intense trauma and it's all in the moment. You're

574
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,840
S9: seeing people blood on the floor. This is entirely different.

575
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:03,050
S9: And I think that's what struck me. It's just the

576
00:26:03,050 --> 00:26:06,440
S9: actual choice to not have those final moments, to not

577
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,649
S9: see all of even Logan's body or face. You don't

578
00:26:09,650 --> 00:26:11,780
S9: even see his face at all when he's on the ground.

579
00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:15,200
S8: Thomas, you're a big Grey's Anatomy head as well. Are

580
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,840
S8: there deaths from that show that that make you think

581
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:19,760
S8: about what we've just experienced?

582
00:26:19,820 --> 00:26:22,820
S10: Maybe not in the same style, but I am still

583
00:26:22,820 --> 00:26:26,180
S10: kind of processing the loss of Derek Shepherd. McDreamy. Meg,

584
00:26:26,180 --> 00:26:29,900
S10: You get it? That was that was so heartbreaking. I

585
00:26:29,900 --> 00:26:32,449
S10: feel like I invested a lot of my, like, young

586
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,050
S10: kind of teenage energy into Meredith and Derek. I was like,

587
00:26:36,050 --> 00:26:38,330
S10: really on board with their love story. And then they

588
00:26:38,330 --> 00:26:41,419
S10: just fucking killed him. He has a car accident. And

589
00:26:41,420 --> 00:26:43,640
S10: then to make matters worse, he's like, Is he?

590
00:26:44,300 --> 00:26:46,040
S17: She's hit by a truck?

591
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,409
S10: Yeah, he gets hit by a truck aggressive. And then

592
00:26:48,410 --> 00:26:52,790
S10: she's also pregnant with his child. So it's like obviously

593
00:26:52,790 --> 00:26:55,100
S10: the actor really like annoyed Shonda Rhimes. And she was like,

594
00:26:55,100 --> 00:26:55,430
S10: kind of makes.

595
00:26:55,430 --> 00:26:55,700
S18: History.

596
00:26:56,570 --> 00:26:58,910
S10: As possible. But she also like I mean, that show

597
00:26:58,910 --> 00:27:00,650
S10: does have a lot of deaths. Like, do you remember

598
00:27:00,650 --> 00:27:03,739
S10: Denny Duquette, that death like, I have no.

599
00:27:03,740 --> 00:27:04,400
S8: Idea what you.

600
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:05,090
S16: Guys are talking about.

601
00:27:05,420 --> 00:27:07,070
S9: You do? It's your only reference. That's the How to

602
00:27:07,070 --> 00:27:07,879
S9: save a Life one.

603
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:09,020
S16: Yeah, right. I was gonna.

604
00:27:09,050 --> 00:27:11,600
S8: Yeah, okay. I do. I remember the era where a

605
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,330
S8: lot of ads for this show played the phrase How

606
00:27:14,330 --> 00:27:15,710
S8: to save a Life. And it was a good time.

607
00:27:15,710 --> 00:27:17,690
S10: It was a really good time for the fray. Actually.

608
00:27:18,140 --> 00:27:20,330
S8: I was going to say, you could play that song

609
00:27:20,330 --> 00:27:23,990
S8: over like the a montage of like Kendall and Roman

610
00:27:23,990 --> 00:27:26,240
S8: on the phone crying. And it would kind of feel

611
00:27:26,390 --> 00:27:28,070
S8: it was very soapy a lot of the stuff in

612
00:27:28,070 --> 00:27:29,840
S8: this show but like really elevated.

613
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,090
S10: So yeah and then obviously like I think there's not

614
00:27:32,090 --> 00:27:34,700
S10: someone who like if you're an aging millennial and you're

615
00:27:34,700 --> 00:27:36,949
S10: not still thinking about Marissa Cooper, then there's something wrong

616
00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:37,300
S10: with you.

617
00:27:37,310 --> 00:27:40,609
S8: Yeah, For me, the death that affected me, the most

618
00:27:40,609 --> 00:27:44,840
S8: in television is Adriana in The Sopranos. Just because you

619
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,290
S8: thought as bad as these guys are and as much

620
00:27:48,290 --> 00:27:52,730
S8: as Adriana has from their perspective, done the wrong thing

621
00:27:52,730 --> 00:27:55,459
S8: by becoming a mole for the FBI, they're not going

622
00:27:55,460 --> 00:27:57,860
S8: to kill her. Like they're not going to. Silvio is

623
00:27:57,859 --> 00:28:01,010
S8: not going to. Sorry again, spoilers for this.

624
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,440
S10: If you haven't. If you're not across The Sopranos by now,

625
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:04,690
S10: then you deserve all the spoilers.

626
00:28:04,700 --> 00:28:07,190
S8: I agree they're not going to shoot her to death

627
00:28:07,190 --> 00:28:10,670
S8: and they do. But I guess in a structural way,

628
00:28:10,670 --> 00:28:14,000
S8: the death that I felt was the most similar to

629
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,580
S8: what we saw with with Logan was actually season two

630
00:28:16,580 --> 00:28:20,000
S8: of House of Cards on Netflix when Zoe, played by

631
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,449
S8: Kate Mara, is killed in the opening episode of the

632
00:28:23,450 --> 00:28:25,310
S8: second season. So you think, okay, cool, we're back for

633
00:28:25,310 --> 00:28:28,430
S8: the show. Here we go again. It's Frank Cods and

634
00:28:28,430 --> 00:28:30,379
S8: Zoe and this is going to be great. And then

635
00:28:30,380 --> 00:28:32,270
S8: she's dead. And I was like, What does this mean

636
00:28:32,270 --> 00:28:34,970
S8: for the next like 15 episodes of this show? And

637
00:28:34,970 --> 00:28:37,940
S8: I'm thinking about this now. It's like I'm really excited

638
00:28:37,940 --> 00:28:40,130
S8: to see the next couple of episodes of where they

639
00:28:40,130 --> 00:28:42,950
S8: take this, But the fact that they're seven and that

640
00:28:42,950 --> 00:28:45,260
S8: the writing has been so tight and good this season,

641
00:28:45,260 --> 00:28:48,860
S8: I'm actually I'm buzzing with excitement like they're going to

642
00:28:48,860 --> 00:28:53,000
S8: do so much with what they've created. I can't even

643
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,030
S8: really comprehend it. Like we're entering a new world and

644
00:28:56,030 --> 00:28:58,430
S8: the fact that we're getting that at the end of

645
00:28:58,430 --> 00:29:04,070
S8: this show's run is super exciting. All right. Let's discuss

646
00:29:04,070 --> 00:29:08,390
S8: our best lines, which is a slightly odd segment for

647
00:29:08,390 --> 00:29:11,600
S8: this episode because it wasn't super comedic. There were a

648
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,239
S8: few gags at the start, and then it's basically an

649
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:18,890
S8: emotional gut punch for 50 minutes. Meg, do you go

650
00:29:18,890 --> 00:29:21,590
S8: with something emotional, something fun? What did you.

651
00:29:21,590 --> 00:29:22,340
S16: Choose?

652
00:29:22,580 --> 00:29:26,210
S9: I chose a bit of both. So, I mean, also

653
00:29:26,210 --> 00:29:27,680
S9: I think you guys pick the best lines and you

654
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:31,550
S9: got in first. But that's okay. I chose when Roman

655
00:29:31,550 --> 00:29:34,070
S9: answers the phone, when he picks up Tom's call about

656
00:29:34,070 --> 00:29:35,840
S9: his dad dying and he says, Oh my.

657
00:29:36,380 --> 00:29:36,920
S19: Believe me.

658
00:29:38,420 --> 00:29:41,000
S5: Hello, fucky sucky brigade. How can I help you?

659
00:29:41,390 --> 00:29:43,610
S9: It's a real capsule of what succession is with the

660
00:29:43,610 --> 00:29:46,489
S9: tragedy and comedy all in one, and especially when he

661
00:29:46,490 --> 00:29:48,560
S9: has to recount it later, Connor says, you know, tell

662
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,740
S9: me exactly what happened. And Roman says, Okay. I said, Hello,

663
00:29:51,740 --> 00:29:53,720
S9: Fuck you sucky brigade. And then Tom said, he died

664
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:54,710
S9: in the bathroom or something.

665
00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:59,150
S17: To that effect. It's pretty tragic, but funny too.

666
00:29:59,150 --> 00:30:01,459
S8: Yeah, it's also weirdly relatable. Like maybe not in that

667
00:30:01,460 --> 00:30:04,040
S8: exact scenario, but I've definitely answered a call in a

668
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:05,960
S8: kind of comedic way, and the person is like, No, no, no,

669
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,270
S8: this is very serious stuff. You're in trouble. Thomas What

670
00:30:08,270 --> 00:30:08,870
S8: did you go with?

671
00:30:08,870 --> 00:30:11,510
S10: I went with one from Frank. Not a usual in

672
00:30:11,510 --> 00:30:13,520
S10: this segment, but I just thought it was very funny

673
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,610
S10: as they were like the dust was slowly settling and

674
00:30:16,610 --> 00:30:18,950
S10: they were figuring out what to tell Madison because obviously,

675
00:30:18,950 --> 00:30:21,440
S10: you know, this meeting still has to be dealt with

676
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,530
S10: in some way. And so someone suggests saying, why don't

677
00:30:24,530 --> 00:30:26,960
S10: we you know, let's not tell Madison that Logan has died.

678
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,080
S10: We'll just say he's delayed. And Frank turns and goes, Oh, he's.

679
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:31,730
S6: Heavily fucking delayed. Yeah.

680
00:30:31,730 --> 00:30:34,730
S10: And then he's heavily delayed. And I thought that was

681
00:30:34,730 --> 00:30:37,940
S10: like so perfect because again, it's such a succession line

682
00:30:37,940 --> 00:30:41,390
S10: where it's like, this insane situation is happening to these

683
00:30:41,390 --> 00:30:44,479
S10: crazy people. And, you know, like, there's just it's just

684
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,910
S10: like dripping in sarcasm. And the fact that he just

685
00:30:46,910 --> 00:30:48,650
S10: says like, yeah, he's heavily delayed. Like, yeah, he's going

686
00:30:48,650 --> 00:30:50,180
S10: to be delayed forever. Basically.

687
00:30:50,180 --> 00:30:53,060
S8: Mine was kind of towards the end of the episode

688
00:30:53,060 --> 00:30:56,690
S8: when they're talking about the funeral and Kendall says super dryly.

689
00:30:57,230 --> 00:30:58,880
S7: We could do Reagans with tweaks.

690
00:30:59,660 --> 00:31:03,800
S8: Like we'll just do Reagan's with tweaks, which is so good,

691
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:04,430
S8: so sharp.

692
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,290
S9: I think he also describes it. We'll just do an

693
00:31:06,290 --> 00:31:07,340
S9: off the shelf funeral.

694
00:31:08,420 --> 00:31:08,930
S17: After.

695
00:31:10,700 --> 00:31:14,120
S8: Next segment is Jerry Watch, which we spent a bit

696
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,240
S8: of time on in the earlier bit of this episode. Essentially,

697
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,810
S8: the episode starts with Gerri about to get fired. She

698
00:31:20,810 --> 00:31:24,200
S8: ends up basically kind of getting fired by Roman, and

699
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,270
S8: by the end of things, she's kind of in charge

700
00:31:26,270 --> 00:31:30,860
S8: calling the shots. I think she'll be a significant character.

701
00:31:30,860 --> 00:31:34,700
S8: I think it's a situation where it's an open world

702
00:31:34,700 --> 00:31:37,640
S8: in terms of who gets to rise from here on in.

703
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,140
S8: And I think Jerry's going to be a key part

704
00:31:39,140 --> 00:31:41,780
S8: of that. So like I said before, good on us

705
00:31:41,780 --> 00:31:43,070
S8: for picking her as.

706
00:31:43,070 --> 00:31:43,970
S16: One to watch where.

707
00:31:43,970 --> 00:31:44,510
S9: The real one.

708
00:31:44,510 --> 00:31:44,900
S17: Is.

709
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,500
S10: Exactly. It's so funny though, because like, yeah, Roman's in

710
00:31:48,500 --> 00:31:51,410
S10: a weird situation now because he's obviously just giving her

711
00:31:51,410 --> 00:31:53,840
S10: the bullet. He can't really go to anyone and be like, Oh, no,

712
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,150
S10: I promise. Like Logan told me to fire her. She's

713
00:31:56,150 --> 00:31:58,400
S10: the only one that kind of knows. So he's like,

714
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,460
S10: cooked himself with her. And she was so ice cold.

715
00:32:01,460 --> 00:32:03,440
S10: That was that was also another heartbreaking moment. He was like,

716
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,140
S10: You know, I'm feeling really sad or something. How he

717
00:32:06,140 --> 00:32:06,980
S10: phrased it. Basically.

718
00:32:06,980 --> 00:32:07,790
S16: He was like, hard for.

719
00:32:07,790 --> 00:32:09,470
S8: Me to do. Yeah, it was really intense.

720
00:32:09,470 --> 00:32:11,660
S10: Yeah. And she was just like, nothing. And then even

721
00:32:11,660 --> 00:32:15,140
S10: when Logan died, she gave him, like, nothing. So he's

722
00:32:15,140 --> 00:32:16,340
S10: kind of going to be in this weird scenario where

723
00:32:16,340 --> 00:32:18,470
S10: he's just fired the CEO who's no longer who's like,

724
00:32:18,470 --> 00:32:22,910
S10: unfired now. And yeah, like the world is really Jerry's

725
00:32:22,910 --> 00:32:24,470
S10: oyster right now, which is kind of what we wanted

726
00:32:24,470 --> 00:32:25,040
S10: all along.

727
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,380
S9: Paul Roman lost his dad and his mom.

728
00:32:27,650 --> 00:32:31,940
S18: I know he's sexy, slimy mom over there.

729
00:32:31,940 --> 00:32:37,970
S8: Fun fact corner. So this is one that I learned

730
00:32:37,970 --> 00:32:42,560
S8: from these little vignettes that they release after every episode.

731
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,540
S8: You can watch them on YouTube. They're sort of a

732
00:32:44,540 --> 00:32:47,180
S8: bit of a behind the scenes. And Mark Mylod, the

733
00:32:47,180 --> 00:32:50,180
S8: executive producer and one of the regular directors of this,

734
00:32:50,180 --> 00:32:55,160
S8: was talking about how they actually shot that really, really long,

735
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,800
S8: heart wrenching scene with all the siblings coming together. And

736
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,520
S8: originally they shot each of the siblings reactions quite separately.

737
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,100
S8: And then the plan was to stitch that all together

738
00:33:04,100 --> 00:33:07,160
S8: and then Mark Mylod says that Kieran Culkin had this idea.

739
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,320
S8: Kieran Culkin says it was Mark's idea. I think no

740
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:10,760
S8: one wants to take credit for it because it seemed

741
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,790
S8: to be really punishing where in one day they filmed

742
00:33:13,790 --> 00:33:16,970
S8: 28 pages of the script, which is extremely rare. That's

743
00:33:16,970 --> 00:33:19,940
S8: nearly half an hour of real world. What we see

744
00:33:19,940 --> 00:33:23,840
S8: on screen in one act, basically where they just did

745
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,290
S8: the whole on the boat, the siblings finding out, interacting

746
00:33:27,290 --> 00:33:30,650
S8: with one another, dragging shiv and dragging Connor in in

747
00:33:30,650 --> 00:33:33,320
S8: one day. And they used most of that filming for

748
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,830
S8: what we eventually saw on screen. It's such a rare

749
00:33:36,830 --> 00:33:40,520
S8: and risky thing for them to do, but you hear

750
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:44,180
S8: these interviews in the same video on YouTube where the actors,

751
00:33:44,180 --> 00:33:48,530
S8: Alan Ruck, who plays Connor, talking about how being able

752
00:33:48,530 --> 00:33:50,600
S8: to riff on the emotion of the other actors is

753
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,720
S8: what really created that magic. And when you've got that

754
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,479
S8: many great actors with the great writing and the great directing,

755
00:33:56,490 --> 00:33:58,910
S8: you let them all cook. It's kind of no surprise

756
00:33:58,910 --> 00:34:00,950
S8: that all of us really got sucked in and started

757
00:34:00,950 --> 00:34:03,230
S8: getting really emotional for. The death of one of the

758
00:34:03,230 --> 00:34:05,200
S8: worst villains in TV history.

759
00:34:05,210 --> 00:34:08,420
S9: I think it also creates such good opportunity for this.

760
00:34:08,570 --> 00:34:11,299
S9: Like seeing how they physically interact in that space is

761
00:34:11,300 --> 00:34:14,540
S9: really interesting. Even when they're telling Connor about the details

762
00:34:14,540 --> 00:34:17,000
S9: of what went down. And Roman goes to give him

763
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,739
S9: a hug but doesn't really know how to give a hug.

764
00:34:18,739 --> 00:34:20,810
S9: And so he just, like, grabs his arm and like,

765
00:34:20,810 --> 00:34:24,110
S9: hugs his bottom under his elbow. Like, that's such a

766
00:34:24,110 --> 00:34:26,270
S9: great choice. And you wouldn't have had that. As good

767
00:34:26,270 --> 00:34:27,950
S9: as it is to have the kind of dislocation that

768
00:34:27,950 --> 00:34:30,440
S9: succession always does, and you have people in different locations

769
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,380
S9: and the phone lines crackling and there's there's a tension there.

770
00:34:33,380 --> 00:34:35,930
S9: I think having the kids all together does bring so

771
00:34:35,930 --> 00:34:36,770
S9: much more to it.

772
00:34:37,340 --> 00:34:40,790
S8: All right. Let's get into our winners and losers. Make

773
00:34:40,790 --> 00:34:41,719
S8: Georgia first.

774
00:34:41,900 --> 00:34:46,000
S9: Three points to Jerry. She started this episode getting fired

775
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,030
S9: and is now in the most secure position of anyone.

776
00:34:49,110 --> 00:34:51,790
S9: That's a pretty good, pretty good job. Fair point. I

777
00:34:51,790 --> 00:34:55,870
S9: gave two points also to Lucas Madsen because that stock

778
00:34:55,870 --> 00:34:57,760
S9: price has tumbled and he might get a pretty good

779
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:58,570
S9: discount deal.

780
00:34:58,570 --> 00:35:00,160
S8: Yeah, I didn't even think about that, but that.

781
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:01,000
S16: Makes a lot of sense.

782
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:02,740
S9: I don't know if that's how it works, but, you know,

783
00:35:02,739 --> 00:35:04,180
S9: he's in a good negotiating spot.

784
00:35:04,180 --> 00:35:04,750
S16: We're slowly.

785
00:35:04,750 --> 00:35:05,590
S8: Learning about business.

786
00:35:05,770 --> 00:35:06,280
S16: Over the course.

787
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:07,540
S10: Of this episode by episode.

788
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,050
S9: I also gave a point to Marcia because she just

789
00:35:11,050 --> 00:35:13,120
S9: got some extra shopping money for Milan.

790
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:15,130
S17: She's still technically married.

791
00:35:15,940 --> 00:35:16,750
S8: And who's your loser?

792
00:35:16,900 --> 00:35:17,500
S16: It's Logan.

793
00:35:17,500 --> 00:35:19,540
S17: I mean, I think he's got to.

794
00:35:19,540 --> 00:35:20,290
S9: Be the big loser.

795
00:35:20,290 --> 00:35:20,649
S16: Of that.

796
00:35:20,650 --> 00:35:22,210
S8: Is rough.

797
00:35:22,300 --> 00:35:23,799
S16: Is it? Yeah. Well, okay.

798
00:35:23,860 --> 00:35:26,620
S9: You couldn't have predicted, I think, as much as I said,

799
00:35:26,620 --> 00:35:28,300
S9: he went out the way he would want to. I

800
00:35:28,300 --> 00:35:30,130
S9: think he didn't want to go out and he was

801
00:35:30,130 --> 00:35:32,800
S9: scared of dying. And it proves he's human all along,

802
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:33,190
S9: which is.

803
00:35:33,190 --> 00:35:33,879
S16: A loss, I guess.

804
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,010
S8: If you're dead, you're a loser. Thomas, what have you

805
00:35:36,010 --> 00:35:36,580
S8: got for us?

806
00:35:36,580 --> 00:35:40,719
S10: So was I went. I went Jerry Winter as well.

807
00:35:42,090 --> 00:35:44,160
S10: Because of very similar reasons to what Meg just said.

808
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,770
S10: I feel like she's in pole position, but controversially I

809
00:35:46,770 --> 00:35:50,819
S10: gave Roman two points, even though it seems like he's

810
00:35:50,820 --> 00:35:54,210
S10: kind of like revealed his hand with having to fire Jerry,

811
00:35:54,210 --> 00:35:56,910
S10: He got out of basically backstabbing the siblings without them

812
00:35:56,910 --> 00:35:59,310
S10: ever finding out. Like, we don't know if they will

813
00:35:59,310 --> 00:36:01,620
S10: find out. I think maybe they won't. So right now

814
00:36:01,620 --> 00:36:03,960
S10: he's kind of like still in with the siblings, but

815
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:05,970
S10: he kind of has an inside track still. So I

816
00:36:05,969 --> 00:36:08,730
S10: think I think if if it does become a situation

817
00:36:08,730 --> 00:36:10,320
S10: where the siblings eat each other, I think Roman will

818
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,720
S10: come out on top. And then I gave one point

819
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,600
S10: each to Shiv and Kendall because I just thought, you know,

820
00:36:15,630 --> 00:36:17,550
S10: they lost their dad. They seem to be handling okay.

821
00:36:17,550 --> 00:36:19,410
S10: But my big loser was Carrie, which I said before,

822
00:36:19,410 --> 00:36:21,779
S10: brought me great joy. I just she really irritated me

823
00:36:21,780 --> 00:36:25,080
S10: the whole season and just like how quickly that like,

824
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,430
S10: facade of like that proximity to power faded away, I

825
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,750
S10: found that so satisfying. And I suspect we won't see

826
00:36:30,750 --> 00:36:31,830
S10: her again the entire season.

827
00:36:32,010 --> 00:36:35,100
S8: Yeah, Kerry is my loser as well. She's so obviously out.

828
00:36:35,100 --> 00:36:37,380
S8: She had all of her eggs in the Logan basket

829
00:36:37,380 --> 00:36:40,080
S8: and that basket is smashed to bits.

830
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:40,500
S16: I think the.

831
00:36:40,500 --> 00:36:43,080
S9: Kids will also really resent her that she got more

832
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,150
S9: time with them and there'll be that tension there as well.

833
00:36:45,150 --> 00:36:47,759
S8: Totally. There was that that was that line, which is,

834
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,450
S8: you know, Dad spoke to Carrie for a bit. You know,

835
00:36:50,460 --> 00:36:52,109
S8: the fact that she got to talk to him when

836
00:36:52,110 --> 00:36:54,960
S8: they didn't, I already flagged my when it was gonna.

837
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,690
S8: He seemed to be emotionally fine after the death of

838
00:36:59,690 --> 00:37:02,030
S8: his dad, who didn't really love him. And he got

839
00:37:02,030 --> 00:37:03,770
S8: married and it was seemed like a nice ceremony, had

840
00:37:03,770 --> 00:37:06,320
S8: a nice chat to Willa about the terms of their marriage.

841
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:07,100
S16: So it was actually.

842
00:37:07,100 --> 00:37:09,260
S9: Almost romantic where they landed. It was the.

843
00:37:09,260 --> 00:37:12,259
S8: Closest thing I think I've said this before to you guys,

844
00:37:12,260 --> 00:37:15,650
S8: that the closest thing to what a good in quotation

845
00:37:15,650 --> 00:37:18,230
S8: marks relationship looks like on this show, which is very

846
00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:21,920
S8: honest and transactional. Willa, are you in it for the money? Well,

847
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,410
S8: it's a big part of it, but I'm also pretty happy. Well,

848
00:37:24,410 --> 00:37:27,170
S8: that's good enough for me. Let's go get married. Shiv.

849
00:37:27,170 --> 00:37:30,320
S8: I gave two points because I think her leading in

850
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,990
S8: that press conference and responding to that question and basically

851
00:37:32,989 --> 00:37:37,490
S8: re injecting the siblings into this conversation about what happens

852
00:37:37,489 --> 00:37:41,880
S8: next was was quite effective. And Tom gets one point

853
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,759
S8: just because he was making some moves with Greg about

854
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,569
S8: what he wants to do next. So our ranking, Tom,

855
00:37:48,570 --> 00:37:50,880
S8: still at the top, but Roman is edging up. He's

856
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,450
S8: only one point behind. Shiv is just behind them. And Jerry,

857
00:37:54,450 --> 00:37:58,580
S8: thanks to you guys chucking some points is right up there, too.

858
00:37:58,590 --> 00:38:05,430
S8: So this is getting fun. This scoreboard. Last but not least, folks,

859
00:38:05,610 --> 00:38:08,250
S8: and I think this may be the hardest episode to

860
00:38:08,250 --> 00:38:12,240
S8: do predictions in because really everything has just been cast

861
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:18,180
S8: wide open. My one is based on how this week's

862
00:38:18,180 --> 00:38:21,540
S8: episode ended. We see the siblings after spending most of

863
00:38:21,540 --> 00:38:24,510
S8: the episode together in the same room. They actually end

864
00:38:24,510 --> 00:38:28,050
S8: it in very different places. So Kendall is sort of

865
00:38:28,050 --> 00:38:31,830
S8: standing on his own, looking pretty upset. Roman has gone

866
00:38:31,830 --> 00:38:34,469
S8: to inspect the body or to kind of be close

867
00:38:34,469 --> 00:38:38,130
S8: to his dad, and Shiv is driving off with Tom. Now,

868
00:38:38,130 --> 00:38:40,950
S8: that could just be an interesting way to to sort

869
00:38:40,950 --> 00:38:43,710
S8: of show how they are all reacting differently. But I

870
00:38:43,710 --> 00:38:47,310
S8: think it might foreshadow that we're going to see that

871
00:38:47,310 --> 00:38:51,800
S8: unity that we've seen this entire season fracture a little bit.

872
00:38:51,810 --> 00:38:53,430
S8: What do you think, Meg? What's going to happen?

873
00:38:53,700 --> 00:38:55,350
S16: I think I'm totally wrong, don't you? Yeah, I do.

874
00:38:56,070 --> 00:39:00,510
S9: My only prediction is that they will stay together, not

875
00:39:00,510 --> 00:39:02,610
S9: for the whole rest of the season, because, again, there's

876
00:39:02,610 --> 00:39:06,450
S9: seven episodes, but like 2 to 3 ups of sibling

877
00:39:06,450 --> 00:39:09,360
S9: strength I think is coming our way. And especially, like

878
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,480
S9: Thomas said, that moment with with Kendall and Shiv holding

879
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,220
S9: hands and the way the camera lingers, you get so

880
00:39:14,219 --> 00:39:16,740
S9: many of those moments throughout, even if they end in

881
00:39:16,739 --> 00:39:19,350
S9: separate places, you know, they had that hug on the tarmac.

882
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,469
S9: The best hug they've ever had is successful above the

883
00:39:22,469 --> 00:39:23,250
S9: elbow hug.

884
00:39:23,670 --> 00:39:24,150
S17: Hahaha.

885
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,600
S9: And even the way that Kendall and Roman were roasting

886
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,150
S9: each other before that press conference, like, We're going to

887
00:39:30,150 --> 00:39:32,819
S9: be okay. Not you though, you're fucked. Like, that's very loving.

888
00:39:32,820 --> 00:39:34,350
S9: That's how they know how to love each other. And

889
00:39:34,350 --> 00:39:36,930
S9: I think that's enough to keep them together for a bit.

890
00:39:36,930 --> 00:39:39,930
S9: And especially if they're coming up against this Frank and

891
00:39:39,930 --> 00:39:40,670
S9: Hugo and.

892
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:42,700
S17: Cherry storylines.

893
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:43,350
S16: Is great.

894
00:39:43,500 --> 00:39:45,210
S9: Yeah, I think they're going to have to be united

895
00:39:45,210 --> 00:39:47,520
S9: front for a little while longer. I think Tom's a

896
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,760
S9: good question of what's going to happen there because, you know,

897
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,330
S9: which side will he fall on and how does that

898
00:39:51,330 --> 00:39:53,910
S9: affect the kids with Shiv being so vulnerable? Could she

899
00:39:53,910 --> 00:39:56,700
S9: get peeled away because of that? I don't know what's

900
00:39:56,700 --> 00:39:58,770
S9: going on there, but I think the kids will stick

901
00:39:58,770 --> 00:39:59,940
S9: together for a little bit.

902
00:40:00,090 --> 00:40:01,800
S8: What about you, Thomas? Predictions?

903
00:40:01,950 --> 00:40:05,070
S10: I mean, I think ultimately succession is a show that

904
00:40:05,370 --> 00:40:07,710
S10: it's never going to be like the take home message

905
00:40:07,710 --> 00:40:09,810
S10: is never going to be that like love conquers all.

906
00:40:09,810 --> 00:40:12,690
S10: And these three siblings, as much, you know, they've had

907
00:40:12,690 --> 00:40:15,719
S10: to go through through hardships, this tragedy has brought them

908
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,089
S10: together and they're going to take on the Jerry crew

909
00:40:18,090 --> 00:40:19,980
S10: and blah, blah, blah. It's not going to happen. Like

910
00:40:19,980 --> 00:40:22,680
S10: the the ultimate message, I think, will be that Logan,

911
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:26,730
S10: even from beyond the grave, he's like he's embedded in

912
00:40:26,730 --> 00:40:29,219
S10: them this like thirst for power. And so they will

913
00:40:29,219 --> 00:40:31,770
S10: kind of pick each other apart. I reckon it'll happen

914
00:40:31,770 --> 00:40:34,650
S10: pretty quickly based on like the signs that have been

915
00:40:34,650 --> 00:40:37,529
S10: posted so far. Roman is having the most curious journey

916
00:40:37,530 --> 00:40:39,810
S10: this season arc, and Roman is going to win succession.

917
00:40:39,810 --> 00:40:41,160
S10: Finn Wow.

918
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:45,210
S8: Big Cole Before we ran out the episode, it was

919
00:40:45,210 --> 00:40:48,210
S8: interesting reading. Brian Cox He did a bunch of interviews

920
00:40:48,210 --> 00:40:50,430
S8: with a few different outlets in the lead up to

921
00:40:50,430 --> 00:40:53,340
S8: this episode coming out, and he's asked like, Who do

922
00:40:53,340 --> 00:40:54,810
S8: you think will win? He's like, Well, I don't really know.

923
00:40:54,810 --> 00:40:56,820
S8: But the one thing I will say is I don't

924
00:40:56,820 --> 00:40:59,880
S8: think that this story is about these kids succeeding. I

925
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:02,880
S8: think this is a story about how useless and terrible

926
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,820
S8: these kids are. So that'll be a really interesting one

927
00:41:05,820 --> 00:41:10,469
S8: to watch. Before we wrap up and throw to your interview, Thomas,

928
00:41:10,469 --> 00:41:15,000
S8: with Nicholas Braun, we're having our very own sad Logan moment.

929
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:19,049
S8: Meg Watson, You're leaving us, Boo. Where are you going?

930
00:41:19,050 --> 00:41:22,260
S9: Yeah, in solidarity with Logan and Brian Cox. I'm tapping

931
00:41:22,260 --> 00:41:23,400
S9: out at episode three.

932
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:24,750
S18: She's actually she's going to.

933
00:41:24,750 --> 00:41:26,400
S10: ATN, which is pretty messed up, to.

934
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:26,700
S18: Be honest.

935
00:41:28,260 --> 00:41:33,420
S9: I'm actually. I got Carrie's job. No, I'm out of

936
00:41:33,420 --> 00:41:37,229
S9: here for the next year on maternity leave. I'm. I'm

937
00:41:37,230 --> 00:41:40,470
S9: having two little babies and having a dysfunctional family of

938
00:41:40,469 --> 00:41:41,069
S9: my own.

939
00:41:41,070 --> 00:41:42,840
S8: Creating your own dynasty and your.

940
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:44,010
S16: Own potential success.

941
00:41:44,130 --> 00:41:45,210
S9: They will fight for my love.

942
00:41:45,270 --> 00:41:45,810
S18: I was going to say.

943
00:41:45,810 --> 00:41:47,540
S10: Excited to play them off against each other.

944
00:41:48,660 --> 00:41:51,960
S8: That's really exciting news for you. Obviously sad to lose you,

945
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:53,669
S8: but I think we're going to find a way to

946
00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:55,740
S8: keep you around. We'll get some voice memos from you

947
00:41:55,739 --> 00:41:58,319
S8: Where have you tap back in later on? The exciting

948
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:02,430
S8: news is that we'll have Melanie Cambrai, the Sydney editor

949
00:42:02,430 --> 00:42:05,160
S8: of Spectrum, one of our wonderful super smart colleagues and

950
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:09,989
S8: a huge succession head. Join us from next week. Thanks

951
00:42:09,989 --> 00:42:12,509
S8: so much, Thomas and Meg. Thanks.

952
00:42:12,510 --> 00:42:13,470
S10: Thanks for having me.

953
00:42:14,130 --> 00:42:16,890
S8: Let's check out Thomas's interview with Nicholas Braun.

954
00:42:21,010 --> 00:42:24,190
S10: Nicholas Braun, welcome to Australia and welcome to the Drop.

955
00:42:24,610 --> 00:42:26,740
S10: Great to be here. Yeah, it looks like you've had

956
00:42:26,739 --> 00:42:28,989
S10: a pretty fun time. You went to the F1, I

957
00:42:28,989 --> 00:42:31,390
S10: saw you had some croissants yesterday. What's your general impression

958
00:42:31,390 --> 00:42:33,160
S10: of Australia so far? I did have.

959
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:38,470
S14: Some lune croissants yesterday. Those, I mean we, we tried

960
00:42:38,469 --> 00:42:41,319
S14: three times I think to get those. The line was

961
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,230
S14: is insane to get those shots.

962
00:42:43,660 --> 00:42:44,760
S10: They make you wait for it.

963
00:42:44,770 --> 00:42:47,500
S14: They really make you earn it. But no, I mean

964
00:42:47,500 --> 00:42:51,580
S14: it's great to be here. The race was incredible. Never

965
00:42:51,580 --> 00:42:56,200
S14: been to a Formula One race. Just super exhilarating to

966
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,170
S14: be around. But generally, yeah, loving it. Wish I was

967
00:42:59,170 --> 00:43:01,180
S14: here for a lot longer. Yeah.

968
00:43:01,180 --> 00:43:03,370
S10: I mean, it's a fun place. Of course you're here

969
00:43:03,370 --> 00:43:06,430
S10: for succession season for the fourth and final season of

970
00:43:06,430 --> 00:43:10,330
S10: the show. You play Cousin Greg who? I guess, you know,

971
00:43:10,330 --> 00:43:11,919
S10: he comes into the family as a kind of long

972
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,580
S10: lost cousin of the Roys and then finds himself kind

973
00:43:15,580 --> 00:43:17,739
S10: of slowly working his way up to the middle. And

974
00:43:17,739 --> 00:43:19,210
S10: then you cut to season four, and it's a kind

975
00:43:19,210 --> 00:43:21,880
S10: of different. Greg We meet his hair is slicker, his

976
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,509
S10: suit is better. He still has the same elements that

977
00:43:25,510 --> 00:43:27,820
S10: made him who he is. What do you think is

978
00:43:27,820 --> 00:43:30,220
S10: the biggest change that Greg has gone through from season

979
00:43:30,219 --> 00:43:30,969
S10: 1 to 4?

980
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:39,310
S14: Yeah. Aside from salary, which is grown immensely now. Yeah. Yeah.

981
00:43:39,310 --> 00:43:46,060
S14: I think he's, I think he's grown a bit of confidence.

982
00:43:46,060 --> 00:43:49,060
S14: He's grown not maybe a bit, maybe more than that,

983
00:43:50,110 --> 00:43:53,140
S14: you know, grown a bit of an edge. He's not

984
00:43:53,140 --> 00:43:58,750
S14: so naive. He's not so clueless. And, and so that's.

985
00:43:58,750 --> 00:44:00,910
S14: I like that. I think it's a good, good progression.

986
00:44:00,910 --> 00:44:07,450
S14: You want to see him affected by this world and maybe, unfortunately,

987
00:44:07,900 --> 00:44:10,689
S14: in a bad way he's he's been turned a bit.

988
00:44:10,690 --> 00:44:11,320
S14: But yeah.

989
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,290
S10: Because I've always found that funny because I always saw

990
00:44:14,290 --> 00:44:16,180
S10: Greg kind of as the audience surrogate. Like he comes

991
00:44:16,180 --> 00:44:18,850
S10: in and he's, you know, kind of how most people

992
00:44:18,850 --> 00:44:21,190
S10: would be walking into this world that is so foreign.

993
00:44:21,190 --> 00:44:24,310
S10: But it also would be impossible not to get corrupted.

994
00:44:25,180 --> 00:44:28,930
S14: Yeah. I think if you want to stay in this world,

995
00:44:28,930 --> 00:44:32,890
S14: if you want to stay within this this tight knit group,

996
00:44:32,890 --> 00:44:35,589
S14: you kind of have to subscribe to the way that

997
00:44:35,739 --> 00:44:43,270
S14: they are and the way that they act and and behave. So. So, yeah,

998
00:44:43,270 --> 00:44:45,880
S14: he is the guy that's dropped in. But if he

999
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:49,239
S14: didn't play the game a bit, he'd be out. So

1000
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:52,810
S14: I think it shows that he's ambitious and it also

1001
00:44:52,810 --> 00:44:56,350
S14: shows that this world is kind of contagious, like being

1002
00:44:56,350 --> 00:45:01,330
S14: this close to this much power and this much importance globally,

1003
00:45:01,330 --> 00:45:05,259
S14: you know, to influence people in their homes and put

1004
00:45:05,260 --> 00:45:08,240
S14: things in front of them, that that will change, you know,

1005
00:45:08,830 --> 00:45:11,020
S14: the way they think, the way they think. And yeah, exactly.

1006
00:45:11,020 --> 00:45:12,819
S14: So so when you're close to that, I think it's

1007
00:45:12,820 --> 00:45:16,930
S14: probably constantly exciting and you don't want to leave that.

1008
00:45:16,930 --> 00:45:17,470
S14: And I guess.

1009
00:45:17,469 --> 00:45:19,900
S10: If he's learnt to play the game, arguably his coach

1010
00:45:19,900 --> 00:45:24,520
S10: might be Tom There you know, almost this inseparable duo now.

1011
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,640
S10: And you obviously spend a lot of time with Matthew Macfadyen.

1012
00:45:28,060 --> 00:45:30,250
S10: Was that a natural chemistry or did you guys kind

1013
00:45:30,250 --> 00:45:32,140
S10: of consciously make an effort to be like, maybe we

1014
00:45:32,140 --> 00:45:35,489
S10: should hang out on the weekend to Natural?

1015
00:45:35,500 --> 00:45:38,500
S14: Just it just happened very quickly. I think the first

1016
00:45:38,500 --> 00:45:45,160
S14: scene that we have that's, you know, obviously weird where

1017
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,910
S14: he's asking me if I want to kiss him, you know,

1018
00:45:48,910 --> 00:45:53,710
S14: that pretty much quickly establishes what this relationship is, this

1019
00:45:53,710 --> 00:46:00,459
S14: kind of weird hazing, hot and cold, you know, uncomfortable relationship.

1020
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,120
S14: But Matthew and I, we'd never met each other, never

1021
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,509
S14: worked together. So it was it was a pretty quick.

1022
00:46:07,810 --> 00:46:09,219
S14: We clicked right away.

1023
00:46:09,219 --> 00:46:11,650
S10: Yeah, perfect. And already this season, we've had a lot

1024
00:46:11,650 --> 00:46:15,160
S10: of lines that you kind of hear them and, you know,

1025
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,890
S10: the Internet will embrace them almost instantly, like rummage through

1026
00:46:17,890 --> 00:46:21,790
S10: fruition or terrifyingly moseying. Do you like, given the way

1027
00:46:21,790 --> 00:46:23,650
S10: the show is developed, do you almost do like a

1028
00:46:23,650 --> 00:46:25,690
S10: table read and you might read a line and be like, Oh,

1029
00:46:25,690 --> 00:46:27,670
S10: that's one that people are going to get around.

1030
00:46:28,660 --> 00:46:31,509
S14: I try as hard as I can to not think

1031
00:46:31,510 --> 00:46:34,150
S14: about what an audience will think or how the internet

1032
00:46:34,150 --> 00:46:37,120
S14: will snap up a line and make it into a

1033
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:41,590
S14: meme or a gif or whatever. It's it's hard because

1034
00:46:41,590 --> 00:46:43,810
S14: people do love it in the writing so good and

1035
00:46:43,810 --> 00:46:49,380
S14: they give us stuff like that. But really. We know

1036
00:46:49,380 --> 00:46:52,890
S14: when something is truly like, you know, like Matthew and

1037
00:46:52,890 --> 00:46:55,020
S14: I read the script and we're like, how the are

1038
00:46:55,020 --> 00:46:56,640
S14: we going to get through this line? Like, how are

1039
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,580
S14: we going to do this scene? We're we're going to break.

1040
00:47:00,210 --> 00:47:02,520
S10: Is there much breaking on set? Constantly, yeah.

1041
00:47:02,940 --> 00:47:06,780
S14: Constantly. It's the hardest part I can imagine. Because because

1042
00:47:06,780 --> 00:47:11,100
S14: I'm so I don't want to let the writing down,

1043
00:47:11,100 --> 00:47:14,100
S14: if you know what I mean. It's so good. There's

1044
00:47:14,100 --> 00:47:18,750
S14: so much potential. It is for an audience, obviously. So

1045
00:47:18,750 --> 00:47:21,660
S14: I'm like, Oh, people will love this if we get

1046
00:47:21,660 --> 00:47:24,480
S14: it right. You know, like the pressure. Yeah, there's a

1047
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,709
S14: pressure to it. It's like, this is so good. So.

1048
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,880
S14: So I get upset at myself when I, when I break,

1049
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:31,500
S14: but it's impossible. But I did.

1050
00:47:31,500 --> 00:47:34,020
S10: Wonder if that's. That must have changed a lot because

1051
00:47:34,020 --> 00:47:36,510
S10: it feels like with succession that we're at the final season.

1052
00:47:36,510 --> 00:47:39,569
S10: But the ecosystem around the show now is enormous. Like,

1053
00:47:39,570 --> 00:47:42,989
S10: you know, this is a podcast. There's like succession podcasts

1054
00:47:43,140 --> 00:47:45,930
S10: the next day, all the, you know, like gifts are online.

1055
00:47:45,930 --> 00:47:48,450
S10: The quotes are everywhere. Like there is a full afterlife

1056
00:47:48,540 --> 00:47:50,250
S10: of this show on the Internet, which didn't exist when

1057
00:47:50,250 --> 00:47:53,760
S10: it started. No. And that must kind of creep in

1058
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,700
S10: on set. Like how conscious is the cast of that?

1059
00:47:57,690 --> 00:48:00,870
S14: I don't think we talk about it at all. It's

1060
00:48:00,870 --> 00:48:05,250
S14: it's something we're aware of and it's something we participate in.

1061
00:48:05,250 --> 00:48:09,420
S14: And I think there is a demand for all of

1062
00:48:09,420 --> 00:48:12,180
S14: us to talk about it and do appearances and things,

1063
00:48:12,180 --> 00:48:14,310
S14: but we don't we don't talk about it. It's like

1064
00:48:14,310 --> 00:48:17,580
S14: the work is separate. You know, we're not we're not

1065
00:48:17,580 --> 00:48:20,520
S14: thinking about its popularity. When we do a scene that

1066
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:24,060
S14: doesn't help us do a good job on set. And

1067
00:48:24,060 --> 00:48:27,569
S14: so I think we all compartmentalize and put the, the

1068
00:48:27,570 --> 00:48:31,200
S14: the popularity and the the yeah, all that stuff. We

1069
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,930
S14: put Internet stuff, the noise around, we put it to

1070
00:48:33,930 --> 00:48:34,620
S14: the side.

1071
00:48:34,650 --> 00:48:36,570
S10: It is funny that the show has struck such a

1072
00:48:36,570 --> 00:48:40,020
S10: chord on the internet and with people in a particular way.

1073
00:48:40,020 --> 00:48:43,020
S10: Do you have a theory as to why succession has

1074
00:48:43,020 --> 00:48:46,170
S10: broken through with a particular time that it did break through?

1075
00:48:47,790 --> 00:48:54,450
S14: I guess things in the last eight or so years

1076
00:48:54,450 --> 00:49:00,570
S14: have have changed politically. And you know what? Fox News

1077
00:49:00,570 --> 00:49:06,239
S14: and those types of media outlets have become. I think

1078
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,489
S14: this show is more relevant now than it would have

1079
00:49:08,489 --> 00:49:11,669
S14: been 15 years ago. Things are just so much more

1080
00:49:11,670 --> 00:49:19,080
S14: obviously controlled and have a certain agenda and. Because of that,

1081
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,080
S14: because we all know it. This show is kind of

1082
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:25,560
S14: like this. You know, peek behind the curtain. What how

1083
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,720
S14: does that how does it come to be this way?

1084
00:49:28,110 --> 00:49:31,379
S14: And how do we get the headlines that we get

1085
00:49:31,380 --> 00:49:35,100
S14: on our phones and and what are those conversations and

1086
00:49:35,100 --> 00:49:38,190
S14: who are those people? And so we don't actually ever

1087
00:49:38,190 --> 00:49:40,590
S14: get to meet them. Yeah, we hear about them and

1088
00:49:40,590 --> 00:49:43,469
S14: we see pictures of them and we hear about Rupert Murdoch,

1089
00:49:43,469 --> 00:49:46,050
S14: but we we're not. He hardly even speaks like you

1090
00:49:46,050 --> 00:49:49,339
S14: don't even know what his voice is for the most Americans.

1091
00:49:49,350 --> 00:49:50,969
S10: Used to sound Australian. He's at a time.

1092
00:49:50,969 --> 00:49:52,890
S14: Yeah hear you you know more than we would but

1093
00:49:53,670 --> 00:49:54,990
S14: but I think he's kind of.

1094
00:49:54,989 --> 00:49:58,590
S10: Yeah he's voice has changed now as he's become naturalized.

1095
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,380
S10: He used to sound quite like maybe like me, but

1096
00:50:01,380 --> 00:50:02,700
S10: now he probably sounds more like you.

1097
00:50:03,180 --> 00:50:07,200
S14: Yeah, I think it's. I think people want to know

1098
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:11,670
S14: what that is. And and unfortunately, it's oftentimes a pretty

1099
00:50:11,670 --> 00:50:14,460
S14: ugly world to look to look at.

1100
00:50:14,460 --> 00:50:16,560
S10: Yeah, I think there is that element of voyeurism is

1101
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:18,930
S10: a big part of the appeal for lots of people.

1102
00:50:18,930 --> 00:50:21,900
S10: And also on top of that, when you do see

1103
00:50:21,900 --> 00:50:25,920
S10: it's kind of scary, but sometimes it's also kind of

1104
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,410
S10: comical that this is how it might be working, these enormous, like,

1105
00:50:29,430 --> 00:50:30,629
S10: large scale decisions.

1106
00:50:31,110 --> 00:50:35,430
S14: Yeah, I mean, not every in any arena there are

1107
00:50:35,430 --> 00:50:38,819
S14: people who don't know what they're doing. You know, in

1108
00:50:38,820 --> 00:50:41,340
S14: any company in any place, they're just like trying to

1109
00:50:41,340 --> 00:50:44,520
S14: keep their job. Yeah. And so that happens even in

1110
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:46,620
S14: this massive. Yeah.

1111
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:48,060
S10: Lots of failing up.

1112
00:50:48,330 --> 00:50:51,450
S14: Yeah. Failing up people. You're like, how did they get

1113
00:50:51,450 --> 00:50:56,370
S14: a promotion? And. And oh, look at them. They're hanging

1114
00:50:56,370 --> 00:50:58,470
S14: out with the boss more or going out for drinks

1115
00:50:58,739 --> 00:51:01,680
S14: more with him. And you could say that about Greg.

1116
00:51:01,770 --> 00:51:05,850
S14: It's like Greg's close to Tom and therefore he just

1117
00:51:05,850 --> 00:51:08,520
S14: keeps getting the upgrades. Yeah, yeah.

1118
00:51:08,850 --> 00:51:11,430
S10: Yeah. It's. It's such a kind of amazing dynamic. And,

1119
00:51:11,430 --> 00:51:15,509
S10: you know, as an ensemble cast, it's amazing performances across

1120
00:51:15,510 --> 00:51:18,390
S10: the board. A lot has been made of the different approaches.

1121
00:51:18,390 --> 00:51:20,790
S10: Actors take. And, you know, we've read about Jeremy Strong's

1122
00:51:20,790 --> 00:51:23,219
S10: method and we've read about Brian Cox going kind of full.

1123
00:51:23,219 --> 00:51:26,219
S10: Brian Cox What's your approach to making Greg?

1124
00:51:30,190 --> 00:51:35,919
S14: I. You know, I, I take a lot of cues

1125
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:39,190
S14: from the writing. The way that he speaks and what

1126
00:51:39,190 --> 00:51:43,810
S14: he does and how he thinks. I always wanted him

1127
00:51:43,810 --> 00:51:47,410
S14: to start off quite naive. I mean, you meet him

1128
00:51:47,410 --> 00:51:52,509
S14: and he's literally in a dog, like a puppy dog costume. Yeah.

1129
00:51:52,510 --> 00:51:55,840
S14: And stoned and vomiting out of out of the mask.

1130
00:51:57,219 --> 00:52:02,440
S14: So I wanted to slowly, incrementally, like. Like grow him

1131
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:06,760
S14: up and see how he could be affected by this world. And.

1132
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:11,239
S14: And so. It. You know, I think about suits a lot.

1133
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,700
S14: And what's the cut of the suit, you know, in

1134
00:52:13,700 --> 00:52:18,070
S14: season four. He's learned that a tailored suit is going

1135
00:52:18,070 --> 00:52:21,520
S14: to make him look more professional than than what he

1136
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,950
S14: used to wear in season one. And and you got

1137
00:52:23,950 --> 00:52:25,870
S14: to spend money on ties and you got to spend

1138
00:52:25,870 --> 00:52:29,830
S14: money on shoes. And and so the physical stuff is important.

1139
00:52:29,830 --> 00:52:33,669
S14: And his posture becoming a little better in season four

1140
00:52:33,670 --> 00:52:37,149
S14: and those kinds of things for me to be intentional

1141
00:52:37,150 --> 00:52:43,390
S14: about helps. And I like to learn my lines the

1142
00:52:43,390 --> 00:52:46,840
S14: night before. I don't like to like know it too well.

1143
00:52:47,020 --> 00:52:49,480
S10: Two week intensive, like getting the script down.

1144
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,299
S14: No, I don't need that. I really I'm lucky to

1145
00:52:52,300 --> 00:52:54,700
S14: have a good memory so I can remember remember my

1146
00:52:54,700 --> 00:53:00,400
S14: lines quite easily. But I like to surprise myself in

1147
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,460
S14: scenes like I think that's when I'm at my best.

1148
00:53:03,460 --> 00:53:07,300
S14: And as Greg sort of being on the edge of

1149
00:53:07,300 --> 00:53:09,850
S14: not knowing what to say next is I think, a

1150
00:53:09,850 --> 00:53:11,530
S14: big part of the character. And is it.

1151
00:53:11,530 --> 00:53:13,870
S10: Really strange then, because obviously you all take your different

1152
00:53:13,870 --> 00:53:18,730
S10: approaches in to then have to like meld with all

1153
00:53:18,730 --> 00:53:20,740
S10: the different other approaches that are going on. Like obviously

1154
00:53:20,739 --> 00:53:23,860
S10: with someone like Jeremy and his method and someone like Brian.

1155
00:53:23,860 --> 00:53:26,200
S10: Do you just like, how does that affect you when

1156
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:27,070
S10: you go to work?

1157
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:32,660
S14: I think all the actors, you know, the people that

1158
00:53:32,660 --> 00:53:35,480
S14: stick around on the show and that Jesse continues to

1159
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:40,370
S14: write for, have a very specific style character and they

1160
00:53:40,370 --> 00:53:43,700
S14: don't give it up and they don't sort of like

1161
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:46,730
S14: sit in the background like they know who they are.

1162
00:53:46,730 --> 00:53:55,880
S14: And and so Bryan, Jeremy, Kieran, they're all very, you know,

1163
00:53:56,510 --> 00:54:01,129
S14: they're fully realized and and they're in their zone. So

1164
00:54:01,130 --> 00:54:03,500
S14: I think we all meet each other and trust each

1165
00:54:03,500 --> 00:54:06,470
S14: other that we're all going to bring exactly that, that

1166
00:54:06,469 --> 00:54:09,350
S14: character to it. So a lot of different styles, but

1167
00:54:09,350 --> 00:54:11,750
S14: I think we all just know what our our lane is.

1168
00:54:11,750 --> 00:54:14,240
S10: And you mentioned kind of trusting the writing, and the

1169
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:19,630
S10: writing is obviously so like. There's a few shows that

1170
00:54:19,630 --> 00:54:21,730
S10: manage to do what succession does, and it does it

1171
00:54:21,730 --> 00:54:24,850
S10: so well. What? I'm curious, who do you think gets

1172
00:54:24,850 --> 00:54:29,370
S10: the best lines? Because there's a big debate on this

1173
00:54:29,370 --> 00:54:31,680
S10: podcast about like each week we do like, Oh, what's

1174
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:33,150
S10: the best line? And lots of people are like, Oh,

1175
00:54:33,150 --> 00:54:35,430
S10: it's always room it or it's often Kendall Like, who

1176
00:54:35,430 --> 00:54:36,690
S10: do you think gets the best lines?

1177
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:40,560
S14: I think it's Roman Okay. It's a popular answer. Yeah,

1178
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:43,620
S14: He gets I mean, the stuff they give give him.

1179
00:54:43,620 --> 00:54:48,180
S14: Sometimes I'm just like, how do they think of this? How,

1180
00:54:48,180 --> 00:54:53,340
S14: you know, he's so sharp. It's just. Yeah, the writers

1181
00:54:53,340 --> 00:54:56,610
S14: are on another level with with Roman's line. The thing I.

1182
00:54:56,610 --> 00:54:58,800
S10: Find about Roman's lines particularly, is that they seem to

1183
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:02,700
S10: stuff so many like he cuts like four people in

1184
00:55:02,700 --> 00:55:05,250
S10: one sentence. It's amazing. Like a layered insult.

1185
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:09,450
S14: Yeah. And also they give him stuff that on the

1186
00:55:09,450 --> 00:55:11,910
S14: page you're like, how is Kieran going to pull this off?

1187
00:55:12,300 --> 00:55:15,750
S14: This is so clever, but he does it in this way.

1188
00:55:15,750 --> 00:55:18,719
S14: That kind of makes fun of the thing he's saying.

1189
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:22,440
S14: He's like, This is a stupid thing I'm saying. And it's,

1190
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,380
S14: you know, so he, he just does it. He just

1191
00:55:25,380 --> 00:55:29,580
S14: found the perfect way to deliver these super sharp lines.

1192
00:55:29,580 --> 00:55:31,200
S14: Incredibly sharp lines.

1193
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,390
S10: You, of course, your character, Greg, has also lots of

1194
00:55:33,390 --> 00:55:35,210
S10: iconic lines. Is there one? I'm sure there are a

1195
00:55:35,210 --> 00:55:36,570
S10: million that people say to you, but is the one

1196
00:55:36,570 --> 00:55:38,400
S10: that you recall reading for the first time and you

1197
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:39,120
S10: were like, Oh.

1198
00:55:39,330 --> 00:55:39,989
S18: That's.

1199
00:55:40,739 --> 00:55:44,939
S14: Well, in Congress, you know, the stuff in Congress like

1200
00:55:44,940 --> 00:55:47,969
S14: that was there was we actually shot a longer scene.

1201
00:55:47,969 --> 00:55:50,310
S14: But that's that's the first part of the scene. But

1202
00:55:50,310 --> 00:55:54,900
S14: that whole conversation was perfect. I mean, Jesse showed it

1203
00:55:54,900 --> 00:55:57,630
S14: to me the night before we shot. I wasn't actually

1204
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:00,270
S14: I never knew there was a Congress scene. Okay.

1205
00:56:01,860 --> 00:56:05,190
S10: But but is that a common thing to find out?

1206
00:56:05,190 --> 00:56:05,969
S10: Just like the.

1207
00:56:06,810 --> 00:56:11,310
S14: No, it's not very common. You know, he'll give us

1208
00:56:11,310 --> 00:56:14,940
S14: revisions and things on set and that's very common. Every

1209
00:56:14,940 --> 00:56:18,480
S14: scene he'll give us some alternate lines and things. But

1210
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,400
S14: that he came to me the night before and he

1211
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,730
S14: was like, we have this Congress set and we could

1212
00:56:23,730 --> 00:56:25,350
S14: come back to this in a couple of weeks if

1213
00:56:25,350 --> 00:56:28,410
S14: you feel like you need time. But here's the scene

1214
00:56:28,410 --> 00:56:31,620
S14: and do you want to do it tomorrow? And I

1215
00:56:31,620 --> 00:56:35,790
S14: was like, Absolutely, let's fucking do this. It was so funny.

1216
00:56:35,790 --> 00:56:37,230
S14: He was just he showed it to me on his

1217
00:56:37,230 --> 00:56:40,080
S14: laptop and he's like, I'll send it to you if

1218
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:42,420
S14: you're ready to do it tomorrow. I was like, This

1219
00:56:42,420 --> 00:56:45,570
S14: is really funny. We were just cracking up reading it together.

1220
00:56:45,570 --> 00:56:47,970
S14: And and that was that was it.

1221
00:56:47,969 --> 00:56:50,589
S10: So I'm so glad you said yes, because it's like

1222
00:56:50,610 --> 00:56:52,680
S10: one of the I find that particular that particular line

1223
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:54,240
S10: so hard, I try and like quote it back to

1224
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:57,570
S10: my friends and I find it so hard because it's so, like, confusing.

1225
00:56:57,570 --> 00:57:00,240
S10: So to, to nail it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How many

1226
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:01,109
S10: times did you blow it?

1227
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:03,570
S14: No, I mean, the point is to blow it.

1228
00:57:03,570 --> 00:57:05,010
S10: Yeah. Yeah, that's true, actually.

1229
00:57:05,010 --> 00:57:10,200
S14: Yeah. So. So we probably did it a handful of times.

1230
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:16,770
S14: It just. It just came out. I just. Just. You

1231
00:57:16,770 --> 00:57:18,600
S14: just have to have a lot of thoughts going and

1232
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:20,640
S14: you just grab a couple of them. So. So it

1233
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:22,320
S14: is so, you know.

1234
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:25,620
S10: And kind of ram them together.

1235
00:57:25,860 --> 00:57:29,550
S14: Yeah. The point is just say the most vague but

1236
00:57:29,550 --> 00:57:35,910
S14: polite and eloquent thing. And so it was perfectly written

1237
00:57:35,910 --> 00:57:38,490
S14: and just just so funny. And it was nice to

1238
00:57:38,490 --> 00:57:41,370
S14: have no time to really prepare it to be like

1239
00:57:41,370 --> 00:57:44,220
S14: Greg and just have to overnight all of a sudden

1240
00:57:44,220 --> 00:57:47,970
S14: be in Congress and be in that room with 102

1241
00:57:47,970 --> 00:57:51,930
S14: hundred extras and 20 cameras and the whole thing. So

1242
00:57:51,930 --> 00:57:55,350
S14: they did a good job of of making that set

1243
00:57:55,350 --> 00:57:57,690
S14: super pressurized and intimidating.

1244
00:57:57,690 --> 00:57:59,490
S10: And I was all that pressure, which is like feed

1245
00:57:59,490 --> 00:58:01,620
S10: into exactly what the tone of the scene was supposed

1246
00:58:01,620 --> 00:58:02,070
S10: to be.

1247
00:58:02,070 --> 00:58:06,390
S14: Yeah. And I remember well the night before I wanted

1248
00:58:06,390 --> 00:58:11,220
S14: to watch some congressional testimonies and I watched Mark Zuckerberg

1249
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,370
S14: do one. I feel like he's been there. As far as.

1250
00:58:14,370 --> 00:58:17,250
S10: Congressional testimonies go, his is a good one. I've also watched.

1251
00:58:17,250 --> 00:58:21,600
S14: It. Yeah. Because he's he it's a different situation but

1252
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:24,510
S14: but he came in and he did this very calculated

1253
00:58:24,510 --> 00:58:28,020
S14: like water bottle pour and I think I might have

1254
00:58:28,020 --> 00:58:29,910
S14: done that in the scene or at least in some takes.

1255
00:58:29,910 --> 00:58:32,970
S14: And I was like, That's the thing that you come

1256
00:58:32,970 --> 00:58:35,040
S14: in and do. It's like, you can't fuck that up.

1257
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:37,980
S14: I'm going to pour myself a glass of water and

1258
00:58:37,980 --> 00:58:41,100
S14: that'll show that I am a person who's ready to.

1259
00:58:41,100 --> 00:58:43,710
S14: It's like, you're in control. I'm here. Yeah. Yeah. I don't.

1260
00:58:43,710 --> 00:58:47,850
S14: I'm comfortable here, I, I just poured myself a drink

1261
00:58:47,850 --> 00:58:49,170
S14: in front of you. Yeah.

1262
00:58:49,890 --> 00:58:51,930
S10: It's like I'm here. I'm hydrated now. I'm ready to

1263
00:58:51,930 --> 00:58:52,830
S10: be grilled.

1264
00:58:52,830 --> 00:58:55,770
S14: Yes, yes, I'm ready to be here as long as

1265
00:58:55,770 --> 00:58:58,470
S14: it takes to drink this drink. Yeah.

1266
00:58:58,470 --> 00:59:01,200
S10: That is amazing. It seems like generally on set, it

1267
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:03,780
S10: does seem to be a super collaborative place. And like

1268
00:59:03,780 --> 00:59:06,300
S10: you said, you know, Jesse's handing you a saying that

1269
00:59:06,300 --> 00:59:08,669
S10: would go on to become such a famous saying, you know,

1270
00:59:08,670 --> 00:59:12,150
S10: we we recently at our masthead ran an interview with

1271
00:59:12,150 --> 00:59:15,360
S10: Sarah Snook and she talked about the final table read,

1272
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:17,850
S10: not really even knowing what was going to happen. And

1273
00:59:17,850 --> 00:59:20,940
S10: you know, it's an open ended ending in her eyes.

1274
00:59:20,940 --> 00:59:23,940
S10: And then you have Matthew Macfadyen saying, oh, it's it's

1275
00:59:24,030 --> 00:59:25,920
S10: an ending that really works. What was your kind of

1276
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,480
S10: like gut? On reading the end of succession.

1277
00:59:31,130 --> 00:59:41,370
S14: I think. It's totally unexpected. It's. I think it feels right.

1278
00:59:41,380 --> 00:59:45,930
S14: I think it feels right. It's not you can't predict it.

1279
00:59:45,930 --> 00:59:49,170
S14: And yet it felt like. Yeah. Yeah.

1280
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:51,720
S10: What was the vibe like in the room.

1281
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:55,470
S14: When we read the script? The table read draft. It

1282
00:59:55,470 --> 00:59:58,020
S14: was kind of sad, honestly. Like some some of the

1283
00:59:58,020 --> 01:00:04,780
S14: cast were pretty emotional and. Yeah, I think I think

1284
01:00:04,780 --> 01:00:08,050
S14: it felt, you know, it felt sad that we're never

1285
01:00:08,050 --> 01:00:10,420
S14: going to be in one of these table read rooms.

1286
01:00:10,630 --> 01:00:14,050
S14: We're not going to do this again. We're not going to.

1287
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:16,450
S14: Some of us won't see each other again for a

1288
01:00:16,450 --> 01:00:20,650
S14: long time. Some of us may never work together again.

1289
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:25,270
S14: Jesse sort of at the helm. And with Mark Mylod

1290
01:00:25,270 --> 01:00:28,540
S14: and all the producers and all the writers around. It

1291
01:00:28,540 --> 01:00:33,490
S14: was yeah, it was kind of horrible, like, okay, wow,

1292
01:00:33,490 --> 01:00:35,470
S14: we're going to we're going to stop doing this thing

1293
01:00:35,470 --> 01:00:39,370
S14: that right now still feels great to be involved in.

1294
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:40,870
S10: It's like, why are we stopping again?

1295
01:00:40,900 --> 01:00:44,650
S14: Yeah, but the script is is so good and it

1296
01:00:44,650 --> 01:00:49,450
S14: hits on every level. And, and honestly, this season, I

1297
01:00:49,450 --> 01:00:53,320
S14: think especially the last, the back half of it, it's

1298
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:58,090
S14: just the pace and, and the importance and and it's

1299
01:00:58,090 --> 01:01:02,350
S14: just all like jacked up. It's another level of the show. Yeah.

1300
01:01:02,350 --> 01:01:05,290
S10: I found that this season has been tonally different. It

1301
01:01:05,290 --> 01:01:10,200
S10: feels like it's just a bit more. Everything feels a

1302
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:13,440
S10: bit heavier and a bit more serious. Like it's still

1303
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:15,210
S10: such a it's still such a funny show. And we

1304
01:01:15,210 --> 01:01:17,700
S10: get the Tom and Greg scenes and they still like

1305
01:01:17,700 --> 01:01:20,790
S10: work and everything. But the first two episodes anyway, it

1306
01:01:20,790 --> 01:01:25,080
S10: just feels like the stakes are clearly risen.

1307
01:01:25,230 --> 01:01:28,800
S14: Yeah, I felt that too. Watching the first episode. It

1308
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:32,220
S14: was There's so much happening. Yeah. You know, they set

1309
01:01:32,220 --> 01:01:35,910
S14: up so much in the first episode. You know, you

1310
01:01:35,910 --> 01:01:40,050
S14: kind of remember there are so many dynamics and. And

1311
01:01:40,050 --> 01:01:43,080
S14: how do you, you know how to Tom and Shiv,

1312
01:01:43,500 --> 01:01:46,470
S14: where do they go from here? And I mean, I

1313
01:01:46,470 --> 01:01:48,330
S14: don't have to run through like the grocery list of

1314
01:01:48,330 --> 01:01:51,300
S14: what's happening in the episode. But but it did feel like, wow,

1315
01:01:51,300 --> 01:01:55,530
S14: we have so there's so many heavy things here in

1316
01:01:55,530 --> 01:01:59,790
S14: this show. Just feels like weighty and important. And and

1317
01:01:59,790 --> 01:02:03,510
S14: the season is yeah, it's absolutely incredible I think.

1318
01:02:03,510 --> 01:02:06,240
S10: And obviously you now you know you're on the kind

1319
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:09,419
S10: of life after succession path I suppose I know you're

1320
01:02:09,420 --> 01:02:12,000
S10: in cat person which is the kind of 2017 New

1321
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:15,870
S10: Yorker article with another Australian, Geraldine, who's a great actress.

1322
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:18,100
S14: Oh yeah, she's Australian. She's Australian, yes.

1323
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:18,390
S18: Right.

1324
01:02:18,390 --> 01:02:19,590
S10: Yeah, she's very talented.

1325
01:02:19,590 --> 01:02:21,060
S14: She's a very talented actress.

1326
01:02:21,060 --> 01:02:24,240
S10: Yeah, she's great. She's from Sydney too. But that's a

1327
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:26,400
S10: very different role to Greg. And is that something you're

1328
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:29,550
S10: conscious of? Like having been in a show like Succession?

1329
01:02:29,550 --> 01:02:33,270
S10: That is obviously such a blessing, but people who know

1330
01:02:33,270 --> 01:02:35,100
S10: you from that, are you now looking and being like, okay,

1331
01:02:35,100 --> 01:02:37,530
S10: what is my Aunty Greg path after this?

1332
01:02:37,770 --> 01:02:42,680
S14: Exactly. That's exactly what it is. It's. Yeah. I don't

1333
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:46,970
S14: want to do Greg again. You know, for a lot

1334
01:02:46,970 --> 01:02:51,380
S14: of reasons. One is just I've been doing him. I

1335
01:02:51,380 --> 01:02:54,770
S14: feel like we mined everything that you can with this character.

1336
01:02:54,770 --> 01:02:56,750
S14: I mean, if Jesse wanted to write more, if he

1337
01:02:56,750 --> 01:02:58,100
S14: didn't wanted to do another, if he was.

1338
01:02:58,100 --> 01:02:59,990
S10: Like, I've got a show called Greg again.

1339
01:03:00,140 --> 01:03:01,880
S18: And yeah.

1340
01:03:01,910 --> 01:03:04,930
S14: I think that'd be really fun to keep it going.

1341
01:03:04,940 --> 01:03:07,280
S14: Maybe we'll do it in ten years. We'll give him

1342
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:09,380
S14: a break and see where Greg's at in ten years.

1343
01:03:09,380 --> 01:03:10,100
S14: And yeah.

1344
01:03:10,100 --> 01:03:11,870
S10: I mean, like, I've seen all the spin offs. I

1345
01:03:11,870 --> 01:03:14,990
S10: just feel like, having read everything Jesse Armstrong says, it's

1346
01:03:14,990 --> 01:03:16,250
S10: not really his style.

1347
01:03:16,250 --> 01:03:19,340
S14: It's not. It's not his style. There have been plenty

1348
01:03:19,340 --> 01:03:21,110
S14: of spin offs that are successful.

1349
01:03:21,110 --> 01:03:22,400
S10: Like you would love to see a Greg and Tom,

1350
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:24,080
S10: kind of like running an Airbnb in like upstate New

1351
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:24,710
S10: York or something.

1352
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:27,680
S14: That's cool. Yeah, that's really cool. You could do that.

1353
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:29,180
S10: I'll tell them about that. I'm happy to work on

1354
01:03:29,180 --> 01:03:31,100
S10: this as well. This is my pitch to you now. Cool.

1355
01:03:31,100 --> 01:03:33,950
S14: Yeah. I mean, write like a pilot script and shoot

1356
01:03:33,950 --> 01:03:36,140
S14: it over and yeah, let's get it in front of him.

1357
01:03:36,140 --> 01:03:38,630
S10: And just lastly, I was curious, do you feel that

1358
01:03:38,630 --> 01:03:41,150
S10: you because you have been so close to this character,

1359
01:03:41,150 --> 01:03:43,760
S10: do you see your arc almost similar in a way?

1360
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:45,950
S10: Like I know you did lots of like the Disney

1361
01:03:45,950 --> 01:03:48,770
S10: Channel original movies as a young actor, and then you

1362
01:03:48,770 --> 01:03:51,320
S10: find yourself on this show like Succession, It becomes the

1363
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:54,800
S10: zeitgeist show of the last like five years. And because

1364
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:57,770
S10: I was watching in preparation for this interview, I do

1365
01:03:58,190 --> 01:04:01,460
S10: lots of research. I watched your first appearance on Colbert

1366
01:04:01,460 --> 01:04:03,530
S10: and you told that anecdote. And it's such like it's

1367
01:04:03,530 --> 01:04:05,660
S10: like a beautiful interview, really. And then I watched you

1368
01:04:05,660 --> 01:04:08,540
S10: on Kimmel last week and like even seeing the different

1369
01:04:08,540 --> 01:04:11,420
S10: ways that you kind of presented yourself, do you feel

1370
01:04:11,420 --> 01:04:13,220
S10: like there's a similar arc with you and Greg?

1371
01:04:14,550 --> 01:04:17,220
S14: Yeah, I haven't thought about it, but I think there is.

1372
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:20,600
S14: I've been doing this for a big part of my life.

1373
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:24,080
S14: I made my first movie at 11 years old, so

1374
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:30,020
S14: this is something I've always loved and continued to love

1375
01:04:30,020 --> 01:04:35,390
S14: and and want for myself. And and the thing with

1376
01:04:35,390 --> 01:04:39,260
S14: being an actor is it's it's a frustrating path, but

1377
01:04:39,260 --> 01:04:42,470
S14: and it's a long path. And you just don't know

1378
01:04:42,470 --> 01:04:45,530
S14: what's going to hit. And I didn't know that succession

1379
01:04:45,530 --> 01:04:49,220
S14: would become succession. You know, you you make a pilot,

1380
01:04:49,850 --> 01:04:53,330
S14: I mean you get a part I'm so I loved

1381
01:04:53,330 --> 01:04:55,970
S14: it when I got the audition sides You shoot a pilot,

1382
01:04:55,970 --> 01:04:58,220
S14: you don't know if it's going to become a series.

1383
01:04:58,220 --> 01:05:01,820
S14: You do. The first season, we weren't this out of

1384
01:05:01,820 --> 01:05:05,690
S14: the gate. It took years to become this thing. So

1385
01:05:06,410 --> 01:05:09,530
S14: there have been movies and TV pilots I made before that.

1386
01:05:09,530 --> 01:05:11,760
S14: I'm like, This is going to be this is the one.

1387
01:05:11,810 --> 01:05:12,920
S10: Yeah, this is going to hit.

1388
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:15,140
S14: Yeah. And and it just doesn't happen.

1389
01:05:15,140 --> 01:05:16,700
S10: And they just don't air and they become part of

1390
01:05:16,700 --> 01:05:17,720
S10: the kind of littered.

1391
01:05:18,110 --> 01:05:20,450
S14: You know, nobody sees them. Yeah. They just go away

1392
01:05:20,450 --> 01:05:24,350
S14: and live, you know. Did you have a kind.

1393
01:05:24,350 --> 01:05:28,520
S10: Of somewhere slightly more like strong gut feeling after reading

1394
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:30,590
S10: the script and being like, oh, this is, this is

1395
01:05:30,590 --> 01:05:31,580
S10: kind of rare.

1396
01:05:31,910 --> 01:05:35,570
S14: This show. Yeah, yeah, I'd never read anything like this.

1397
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:40,880
S14: The the tone of the pilot was very specific and

1398
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:44,020
S14: it was super dense, like the amount of, you know,

1399
01:05:44,060 --> 01:05:48,770
S14: there's a lot of business lingo There is and financial

1400
01:05:48,770 --> 01:05:53,970
S14: talk and. It was. I remember having to read it

1401
01:05:53,970 --> 01:05:57,330
S14: like 3 or 4 times, just trying to get it

1402
01:05:57,990 --> 01:06:01,320
S14: because I understood the Greg stuff. I understood who he

1403
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:04,770
S14: was in this world. But to yeah, to get who

1404
01:06:04,770 --> 01:06:07,860
S14: Kendall was and what, you know, the trust and, and,

1405
01:06:07,860 --> 01:06:09,670
S14: and Marcia you know.

1406
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:13,530
S10: Even four seasons in and I still find myself being, like,

1407
01:06:13,530 --> 01:06:16,140
S10: pausing to be like, okay so Waystar is going to

1408
01:06:16,140 --> 01:06:19,140
S10: be like merged with Gojo, but then they'll be like,

1409
01:06:19,350 --> 01:06:21,750
S10: I'll keep like it's so it doesn't really give anything

1410
01:06:21,750 --> 01:06:24,000
S10: away for free or hold your hand through that type

1411
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:24,530
S10: of stuff.

1412
01:06:24,540 --> 01:06:29,070
S14: No, it doesn't. It doesn't. Yeah. Jesse definitely wants an

1413
01:06:29,070 --> 01:06:33,450
S14: audience to figure out a lot of things for themselves,

1414
01:06:33,450 --> 01:06:35,880
S14: but it's also so well researched that you can sort

1415
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:38,459
S14: of just trust, like, this is real, you know? This is.

1416
01:06:38,460 --> 01:06:39,750
S14: This is how it goes.

1417
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:44,280
S10: Yeah, that's true. It doesn't it feels that it feels authentic.

1418
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:46,020
S10: And so even if you don't put in the time

1419
01:06:46,020 --> 01:06:47,880
S10: to figure it out, you're like, okay, this is probably legit.

1420
01:06:48,230 --> 01:06:49,020
S18: Mm hmm.

1421
01:06:49,830 --> 01:06:51,870
S10: Yeah, perfect. Well, thank you so much for joining the drop.

1422
01:06:52,170 --> 01:06:54,960
S10: Looking forward to Greg again. Obviously, that's going to be massive.

1423
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:58,450
S14: Yeah. Enjoy the rest. It's. It's unbelievable. Yeah.

1424
01:06:58,470 --> 01:06:59,160
S10: Thanks for joining the job.

1425
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:00,420
S14: Yeah, Thank you. Thanks for having me.

1426
01:07:06,700 --> 01:07:10,209
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01:07:10,210 --> 01:07:13,450
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1428
01:07:13,450 --> 01:07:15,880
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