WEBVTT - What went wrong with 'The Bear'? Plus, our recent TV highlights 0:00:07.880 --> 0:00:10.490 Hey, I'm Osman Farooqui and this is the drop a 0:00:10.490 --> 0:00:13.309 culture show from the Sydney Morning Herald and The Age, 0:00:13.310 --> 0:00:15.650 where we dive into the latest in the world of 0:00:15.650 --> 0:00:19.160 pop culture and entertainment. I'm here with Mel Kambouris and 0:00:19.160 --> 0:00:21.080 Thomas Mitchell. What's up team? 0:00:21.110 --> 0:00:23.270 Oh, you know, just here in the podcast I realize 0:00:23.270 --> 0:00:27.740 I am like wearing a chef themed outfit for today's podcast. 0:00:27.740 --> 0:00:29.310 It's a visual gag. I just Just wanted to get 0:00:29.310 --> 0:00:31.050 ahead of it. Um, what do you mean? 0:00:31.050 --> 0:00:34.350 You realize you, like, put it on and sat down? 0:00:34.380 --> 0:00:36.300 Well, I just thought it would be appropriate. Yeah. 0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:39.810 For people who can't look at Thomas, which is most 0:00:39.810 --> 0:00:42.870 of you, because this is a podcast. He's wearing a 0:00:42.870 --> 0:00:46.229 white t shirt, his famous white t shirts with a 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:50.280 dark blue navy blue apron in the style of Carmy 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:53.500 Berzatto from the bear. He looks very good in it. 0:00:53.500 --> 0:00:55.270 But you were saying you don't think that apron is 0:00:55.270 --> 0:00:58.000 particularly robust? It's not going to mop up spills? 0:00:58.000 --> 0:01:00.250 No, this is not. This is obviously like an apron 0:01:00.250 --> 0:01:02.680 that's been made for to be sent out to journalists. 0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:04.600 You would never wear this in a kitchen, I don't think. 0:01:04.870 --> 0:01:07.029 And the reason Thomas has this is because he has 0:01:07.030 --> 0:01:09.820 such a reputation in the office for being obsessed with 0:01:09.819 --> 0:01:12.490 the bear, that one of our fashion writers received it 0:01:12.490 --> 0:01:14.470 in the mail, and then placed it as a little 0:01:14.470 --> 0:01:16.960 surprise on his desk, along with a hat. Yes. 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:18.800 Correct. That was very nice of him. A hat that 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:21.560 says yes, chef. Uh, so yeah, very nice to dress 0:01:21.560 --> 0:01:23.870 as Carmy, um, even before we get a chance to 0:01:23.870 --> 0:01:25.699 talk about him, but otherwise all good. 0:01:26.060 --> 0:01:27.470 Will you wear it all day? Yes. 0:01:27.470 --> 0:01:28.010 Correct. 0:01:28.310 --> 0:01:30.560 Um, yeah. You've probably guessed that we will be talking 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:33.590 about the pair on on today's show. But before we 0:01:33.590 --> 0:01:37.910 get there, congratulations, Thomas, on predicting origin. Last week you 0:01:37.910 --> 0:01:40.160 said blues by 20. Very impressive. It's what happened. 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:42.180 I know I like I mean, I've been telling you 0:01:42.180 --> 0:01:44.580 guys for ages, if you just follow me and especially 0:01:44.580 --> 0:01:48.720 follow me, like when I go heavily into financial like predictions, 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:51.300 then you'll be all right. Uh, literally. I picked the 0:01:51.300 --> 0:01:53.670 scoreline and I can't wait to do the same thing. 0:01:53.670 --> 0:01:55.320 I think July 17th is game three. 0:01:55.320 --> 0:01:58.710 So can I ask what ballpark of money or winnings 0:01:58.710 --> 0:01:59.400 you made? 0:02:00.060 --> 0:02:03.570 It was actually a pretty good one, to be honest. 0:02:03.570 --> 0:02:04.800 Yeah it was. Have you so. 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:06.430 Good. He doesn't want to say the number. So the 0:02:06.430 --> 0:02:09.790 tax man doesn't find out. Correct. Before we get into 0:02:09.790 --> 0:02:11.920 the guts of today's app, I wanted to ask you 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:16.480 guys if you had seen these photos that emerged from 0:02:16.480 --> 0:02:19.059 Gladiator two. I'm not sure if they're like set photos 0:02:19.060 --> 0:02:23.140 or their official released film stills. They were part of 0:02:23.139 --> 0:02:27.100 a Vanity Fair first look profile on this film. So 0:02:27.100 --> 0:02:30.230 this is Ridley Scott doing the sequel. No Russell Crowe 0:02:30.230 --> 0:02:33.620 but yes to Paul Mescal, yes to Joseph Quinn, yes 0:02:33.620 --> 0:02:37.580 to Denzel Washington. I thought these looked pretty sick. You 0:02:37.580 --> 0:02:41.060 guys know that I'm, you know, not super high on Paul. 0:02:41.060 --> 0:02:42.950 I'm a bit sad that rusty is not going to 0:02:42.950 --> 0:02:46.460 be in this one, but looking at these photos and 0:02:46.460 --> 0:02:49.250 particularly like the fit that Denzel is in got me 0:02:49.250 --> 0:02:51.739 really excited. What did you guys think? 0:02:51.950 --> 0:02:53.580 Oh man. You know, I've got a lot of time 0:02:53.580 --> 0:02:56.700 for Denzel, especially lately. I think I've watched every single 0:02:56.700 --> 0:02:59.040 film he has been in in the last year. Like 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:03.120 Denzel Washington has been my genre. So I'm really excited. Yeah, 0:03:03.120 --> 0:03:06.390 all the equalizers, man on, man on Fire, all of them. Um, 0:03:06.389 --> 0:03:09.750 I'm excited to see him in it. I think the 0:03:09.750 --> 0:03:11.760 pictures looked good, right? Like, I know I've had a 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:14.190 bit of concerns about Ridley Scott because of Napoleon, that 0:03:14.190 --> 0:03:17.560 it might just be a kind of big men doing 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:20.380 big men things, but I don't know, it made me excited. 0:03:20.380 --> 0:03:22.510 But also what I'm really excited about is that we 0:03:22.510 --> 0:03:26.830 might have a barbenheimer match up with Wicked and Gladiator 0:03:26.830 --> 0:03:30.280 coming out on the same day in November. That's gonna 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:30.580 be huge. 0:03:31.150 --> 0:03:32.980 Gladiator clicking. 0:03:33.250 --> 0:03:33.850 Click click. 0:03:33.850 --> 0:03:36.880 It's good. Oh, we should coin that here first. 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:39.370 Yeah, I don't know. I like the more I hear 0:03:39.370 --> 0:03:41.780 about this movie, the more I feel like it's increasingly 0:03:41.780 --> 0:03:45.680 an internet play. Like it's got Pedro Pascal and Paul 0:03:45.680 --> 0:03:48.650 Mescal and everyone else that rhymes. Like I just, I 0:03:48.650 --> 0:03:52.100 don't know if it's going to be that good. Like, I, 0:03:52.100 --> 0:03:54.290 I really like the photos of Paul. I, you know, 0:03:54.290 --> 0:03:55.970 I'm here for Paul. I'm not part of the anti 0:03:55.970 --> 0:03:58.850 Paul brigade, um, like Osman is. I did think it 0:03:58.850 --> 0:04:01.460 was very funny seeing some photos of Joseph Quinn online, 0:04:01.460 --> 0:04:03.470 and it was like I saw one meme that was like, lol, 0:04:03.470 --> 0:04:05.030 this looks like the kind of guy who leaves his 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:08.490 wife Ariana Grande. I thought that was I thought that 0:04:08.490 --> 0:04:12.720 was very funny. I don't know, I just for me, Gladiator, 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:15.690 the first one, the initial one is such like a 0:04:15.690 --> 0:04:17.610 great film and I just don't know if I need 0:04:17.610 --> 0:04:19.890 to go back there. I'm happy. Like I think Russell 0:04:19.890 --> 0:04:23.070 all power to him. You keep finding like exorcisms to 0:04:23.070 --> 0:04:25.710 do on screen. That's where you should be now. And 0:04:25.710 --> 0:04:27.479 I just don't know if this film is going to, like, 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:28.500 tarnish the legacy. 0:04:28.500 --> 0:04:30.460 I actually found the first Gladiator because we were quite 0:04:30.460 --> 0:04:32.140 young when it came out, and I remember watching it 0:04:32.140 --> 0:04:34.630 with my dad. I found it quite traumatic, like that 0:04:34.630 --> 0:04:37.870 image of the family hanging from the ropes and some 0:04:37.870 --> 0:04:40.960 of the. Yeah, yeah. Like, I often think about it. Um, 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:43.000 so I'll be interested to see if they make this 0:04:43.000 --> 0:04:45.310 one as dark and violent. I'm sure they will. Knowing 0:04:45.310 --> 0:04:47.890 Ridley Scott and what we've seen in Napoleon. 0:04:47.890 --> 0:04:52.029 There are so few films left that just exist as 0:04:52.029 --> 0:04:56.789 independent standalone like pieces of culture. Everything is getting mined 0:04:56.790 --> 0:05:00.060 and turned into IP with a million sequels. I feel like, yeah, 0:05:00.210 --> 0:05:04.830 I'm like you, Thomas. I don't feel convinced we need 0:05:04.830 --> 0:05:07.800 a sequel. Like if Ridley wants to get in the 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:10.679 dust with Paul and Denzel and Pedro Pascal, find a 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:13.500 project for that. But I can't help but feel like 0:05:13.500 --> 0:05:17.200 a sequel that inevitably won't be as good or as 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:20.740 important as the first one kind of could sully it. 0:05:20.740 --> 0:05:23.650 Because now it's not just Gladiator, this great film from 0:05:23.650 --> 0:05:27.400 24 years ago, it's Gladiator and Gladiator two. But I 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:30.430 have to say, yeah, some of my cynicism was was 0:05:30.430 --> 0:05:33.280 brushed to the side just by seeing some of these photos. 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:36.130 And like I said, particularly Denzel, who looks fucking awesome 0:05:36.130 --> 0:05:39.430 in that sort of blue outfit he was wearing. Very exciting. 0:05:39.430 --> 0:05:39.580 I mean. 0:05:39.580 --> 0:05:41.489 We all have lots of time for Denzel, but yeah, 0:05:41.490 --> 0:05:45.360 I do think somewhere where where was he this weekend? Glastonbury, 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:47.940 Russell Crowe, like probably punching a dart, being like, yeah, 0:05:47.940 --> 0:05:50.369 fuck you guys. It'll never be as good as the 0:05:50.370 --> 0:05:50.940 first one. 0:05:50.940 --> 0:05:53.160 I'm mainly excited for the gladiator pod, because then you 0:05:53.160 --> 0:05:55.289 can dress as a gladiator. Like, maybe that's going to 0:05:55.290 --> 0:05:56.729 be your thing now. Okay, cool. 0:05:56.730 --> 0:06:00.060 You'll be dressed as Elphaba the wicked. Is she the 0:06:00.060 --> 0:06:00.660 wicked witch? 0:06:00.660 --> 0:06:02.250 I don't I don't know which one she is, but 0:06:02.250 --> 0:06:02.940 I will be. 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:06.419 Um. Any other news you guys want to talk about 0:06:06.420 --> 0:06:10.469 Joe Biden tanking in the presidential debate? The governor's tapping 0:06:10.470 --> 0:06:12.330 him on the shoulder. You want to pivot to being 0:06:12.330 --> 0:06:13.680 a political podcast for a bit? 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:15.659 Should I dress up as Joe Biden or. 0:06:15.930 --> 0:06:18.030 I mean, you do stare off into space a bit. 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:21.000 There's there's a culture angle to that. It was a televised, 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:23.670 you know, debate. He didn't do very well in. No. 0:06:23.670 --> 0:06:26.460 And then all the the video of him not dancing, 0:06:26.460 --> 0:06:28.830 I find it quite painful to watch the whole thing. 0:06:28.830 --> 0:06:31.150 Like I feel like I'm trying to avoid engaging with 0:06:31.150 --> 0:06:33.549 it too much because it stresses me out when I 0:06:33.550 --> 0:06:35.650 get into the weeds of it and really think about it. 0:06:35.650 --> 0:06:37.510 Yeah, to be clear, it was a joke. I wasn't 0:06:37.510 --> 0:06:41.470 planning on us having an extended conversation about Biden's chances. 0:06:41.470 --> 0:06:43.990 I've been too busy engaging with like, the anti hot 0:06:43.990 --> 0:06:47.440 chocolate mafia. So, unfortunately. 0:06:47.950 --> 0:06:49.600 Uh, do you want to talk about that, Thomas? You 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:52.690 you had a pretty tough weekend online. You shared your 0:06:52.710 --> 0:06:56.940 thoughts about hot chocolate and why adults shouldn't be drinking it. 0:06:56.940 --> 0:07:00.030 And it became like you became Twitter's main character for 0:07:00.029 --> 0:07:02.010 a weekend, which is never good. I believe I used 0:07:02.010 --> 0:07:03.809 the term you got at Osfed. 0:07:03.810 --> 0:07:07.020 Yeah, I was expecting a bit more like of leadership 0:07:07.020 --> 0:07:08.820 from you because you've been there so many times. But 0:07:08.820 --> 0:07:11.100 like of all the dumb shit I've written and I've 0:07:11.100 --> 0:07:13.680 written some pretty dumb stuff, uh, this one really seemed 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:15.960 to strike a chord. I woke up on Monday morning 0:07:15.990 --> 0:07:19.920 to like, thousands of Twitter notifications. Uh, a call from 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:22.110 a radio station asking me if I wanted to talk 0:07:22.110 --> 0:07:25.440 about my drink shaming article, which was an amazing. 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:27.090 That one was actually my fault. They called me and 0:07:27.090 --> 0:07:28.560 they said, do you have Thomas's number? We want to 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:30.870 interview him about his hot chocolate. And I said, yes, 0:07:30.870 --> 0:07:32.550 here it is. Please give him a buzz. 0:07:32.550 --> 0:07:34.470 And the funniest thing is like, obviously, you know, these 0:07:34.470 --> 0:07:37.020 things happen. You write something, whatever, people don't agree with it. 0:07:37.020 --> 0:07:39.300 And then Twitter, like takes a hold. But just I 0:07:39.300 --> 0:07:42.080 find it so funny the some of the tweets just 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:43.520 like really made me laugh, even though, you know, I 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:44.810 would read them to my wife and she'd be like, 0:07:44.810 --> 0:07:46.490 oh my God, that makes me so sad. This one 0:07:46.490 --> 0:07:49.340 guy wanted me to stick my wobbly bits in a mulcher, 0:07:49.340 --> 0:07:52.610 which I thought was particularly creative. But then there was one. 0:07:52.610 --> 0:07:54.320 There was one that had 1000 retweets, and it was 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:57.200 just like, well, at least we can all agree on something. 0:07:57.230 --> 0:08:00.920 Thomas Mitchell is a moron. So that was. 0:08:00.920 --> 0:08:02.960 One that was just like, let the people drink what 0:08:02.960 --> 0:08:07.550 they want, you hot chocolate eating journalist and had 15,000 likes. 0:08:07.730 --> 0:08:09.920 So yeah, I mean, it's good. It's it was it 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:13.070 was a fun experience. And but I would say I 0:08:13.070 --> 0:08:14.690 did have a hot chocolate yesterday as a way of, 0:08:14.690 --> 0:08:17.119 you know, take like getting the heat off and it 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:18.950 was quite nice. But again, I stand by the fact 0:08:18.950 --> 0:08:20.780 that it's not an everyday drink. All right. 0:08:20.780 --> 0:08:24.590 Well, speaking of food and drink related opinions, let's talk 0:08:24.590 --> 0:08:26.780 about the bear. Good. 0:08:27.620 --> 0:08:28.250 You feel good? 0:08:29.060 --> 0:08:34.089 We're gonna see. We're open. Button your lip, baby. 0:08:34.150 --> 0:08:37.720 Let's fly or cavatelli. Enjoy. Via Wagyu. Take your. 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:39.699 Time. Just bear with us. One more second. 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:41.200 Refire. 0:08:42.370 --> 0:08:44.589 I'm getting drilled out there. We're in. 0:08:46.690 --> 0:08:50.140 This is a dysfunctional kitchen. Show me a functional one. 0:08:54.250 --> 0:08:56.230 A little bit of housekeeping first. Maybe the bear is 0:08:56.230 --> 0:08:59.740 released all in one go on Disney+. So all ten 0:08:59.740 --> 0:09:03.370 episodes are available now of season three. It makes talking 0:09:03.370 --> 0:09:06.010 about it kind of tricky because we don't really know 0:09:06.010 --> 0:09:09.160 where everyone is at with the show, since everyone watches 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:12.250 it at a different pace. Our conversation today, we're going 0:09:12.250 --> 0:09:15.309 to focus on the first five episodes, and we'll talk 0:09:15.309 --> 0:09:18.210 about the second half of the season next week. So 0:09:18.210 --> 0:09:22.230 our conversation will include spoilers up to and including episode five. 0:09:22.230 --> 0:09:24.150 If you haven't watched that fight and you don't want 0:09:24.150 --> 0:09:26.640 to be spoiled, maybe catch up and then come back 0:09:26.640 --> 0:09:29.760 to us. There's a few different threads to how I 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:32.820 think we should tackle this conversation. This was one of 0:09:32.820 --> 0:09:36.660 our most anticipated shows of the year. The critical and 0:09:36.660 --> 0:09:40.680 audience reception to season three has been more mixed than 0:09:40.679 --> 0:09:43.800 the first two, which was basically universal acclaim and a 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:46.320 swag of Emmys. I want to talk about how the 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:48.960 season is being received, and what that might tell us 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:51.270 about how people are feeling about this kind of television 0:09:51.270 --> 0:09:52.770 right now. But first, I just want to talk to 0:09:52.770 --> 0:09:56.640 you guys about what you think of this season. The 0:09:56.640 --> 0:10:01.380 first episode in particular elicited some very, very strong responses. 0:10:01.410 --> 0:10:05.130 Season two ends with Kimmy locked in the freezer at 0:10:05.130 --> 0:10:08.020 the restaurant. He's screaming at Cousin Richie. He's fighting with 0:10:08.020 --> 0:10:11.589 his girlfriend Claire. When we pick things back up with 0:10:11.590 --> 0:10:14.979 the premiere of season three, we have this very non-linear, 0:10:14.980 --> 0:10:20.560 largely exposition and dialogue free episode. It's a little bit experimental. 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:22.600 It takes us a little bit after the events of 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:27.040 the season two finale, but it mainly focuses on Kimmy's past. 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:30.319 What did you guys make of this Pretty wild way 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:33.200 to kick off a very highly anticipated season of a 0:10:33.200 --> 0:10:34.100 TV show. 0:10:34.130 --> 0:10:37.699 Yeah, I feel that third seasons are tough for any show. 0:10:37.700 --> 0:10:40.640 It's a make or break point, and the bear finished 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:43.970 on such a powerful note last time it reached such 0:10:43.970 --> 0:10:47.120 a climactic peak that it was always going to be 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:50.120 hard to follow. I actually think if there hadn't been 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:52.160 a season break and this had been attached to the 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:55.020 last season, this episode might have worked better. It might 0:10:55.020 --> 0:10:57.540 have been just what we needed after the highs of 0:10:57.540 --> 0:11:00.120 kami being locked in the fridge. But to start a 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:04.920 new season, I thought this episode was self-indulgent and annoying, 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:09.030 and it actually really summarized what's wrong with the rest 0:11:09.030 --> 0:11:11.670 of the season. I will say we've only seen up 0:11:11.670 --> 0:11:13.860 to five, and I. I feel like from what I've read, 0:11:13.860 --> 0:11:16.110 there's some high notes coming in the rest of the season, 0:11:16.110 --> 0:11:18.189 and we know from the second season, I think some 0:11:18.190 --> 0:11:20.470 of the best episodes came in the second half. So, 0:11:20.470 --> 0:11:22.300 I mean, I will caveat with we've only seen the 0:11:22.300 --> 0:11:24.760 top one, but this episode just summed it up. It's 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:29.679 kind of reliance on melodrama, it's obsession with montages, it's 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:33.100 obsession with throwing back into the past. It's kind of weird, 0:11:33.100 --> 0:11:38.140 heavy handed use of music. It's a very aimless episode, 0:11:38.140 --> 0:11:42.830 I don't know, like kami is obsessed with, like, continuously evolving. 0:11:42.830 --> 0:11:44.810 And that's a bit of a theme through the episode. 0:11:44.809 --> 0:11:47.420 But like, the show has not done that. And I 0:11:47.420 --> 0:11:50.929 think this first EP really summarizes what my issues are 0:11:50.929 --> 0:11:51.980 with the first five. 0:11:52.070 --> 0:11:54.320 Yeah, I mean, it pains me to say this, given 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:58.190 I'm literally sat here dressed like kami as an adult, 0:11:58.190 --> 0:12:01.130 but like, yeah, I feel I mean, I guess in 0:12:01.130 --> 0:12:04.069 answer to your question about the episode, one in particular, 0:12:04.070 --> 0:12:08.130 I did really think it was a like a style 0:12:08.130 --> 0:12:11.520 over substance thing. It just felt so overblown to me. Like, 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:14.219 you know, it was undoubtedly beautiful. The show has never 0:12:14.220 --> 0:12:15.959 had an issue with the way it looks and the 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:18.150 way it feels like, you know, the shots were beautiful, 0:12:18.150 --> 0:12:20.880 the food looks beautiful. It's hard to not take a 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:24.179 nice take in Copenhagen like, you know, because we see 0:12:24.210 --> 0:12:26.640 Carmy kind of like revisiting all the places he's worked. 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:29.040 And essentially we're meant to be learning about how he 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:31.929 came to be this kind of anxious mess of a 0:12:31.929 --> 0:12:35.080 guy who kind of repeats the cycle of abuse, blah, blah, blah. 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:38.410 But like, I just found it. That could have been 0:12:38.410 --> 0:12:41.439 a montage in a part of the episode rather than 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:44.050 basically the entire episode. And, you know, I understand we're 0:12:44.050 --> 0:12:48.040 coming off the back of the finale, which was so tense. 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:50.260 And I you know, I think that fight between Richie 0:12:50.260 --> 0:12:52.420 and Carmy in the fridge was like one of the 0:12:52.420 --> 0:12:55.610 best scenes of the series. And maybe this, you know, 0:12:55.610 --> 0:12:57.260 they wanted to really change the pace when they were 0:12:57.260 --> 0:12:59.570 bringing us back into the show. But I felt like 0:12:59.570 --> 0:13:03.140 it just was really kind of limp. Um, you know, like, 0:13:03.140 --> 0:13:05.330 it's so funny that we constantly get this mantra from 0:13:05.330 --> 0:13:08.270 Chef Terry of, like, every Second Counts. And the show 0:13:08.270 --> 0:13:11.209 is like, not thinking about that at all. Instead, we're 0:13:11.210 --> 0:13:13.520 just kind of being forced to be like, oh, look 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:15.620 at all these pretty pictures. And, you know, I think 0:13:15.620 --> 0:13:18.420 in what Mel said, I think really agree with that 0:13:18.420 --> 0:13:20.219 is a snapshot of what I think a lot of 0:13:20.220 --> 0:13:22.679 the issues with the first five episodes of season three 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:24.840 are so far. Um, for me anyway, I don't know, 0:13:24.840 --> 0:13:26.969 I feel like oseman I know that you watched it 0:13:26.970 --> 0:13:29.099 in a particular context and you seem to dig it. 0:13:29.100 --> 0:13:31.050 Well, I will say that I think there is a 0:13:31.050 --> 0:13:34.170 structural problem with this season, and it goes to the 0:13:34.170 --> 0:13:37.650 first episode as well that I think you touched on. 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:41.630 This was supposed to be a three season arc, and 0:13:41.630 --> 0:13:45.260 the success of the first two has prompted Disney or Fox, 0:13:45.260 --> 0:13:48.410 or whichever Disney subsidiary is in charge of this, to 0:13:48.410 --> 0:13:52.400 say to the creator, Chris Storer, hey, we want four seasons, 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:56.150 and I think it really feels like he's taking a 0:13:56.150 --> 0:13:59.720 season's worth of stuff and stretching it out over two seasons. 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:02.240 Like at that point you made about every second counting 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:03.860 that not happening. I think that's really spot on. I 0:14:03.860 --> 0:14:07.830 feel like there's big moments of this season, either entire 0:14:07.830 --> 0:14:10.469 episodes or bits of episodes that just feel like filler, 0:14:10.470 --> 0:14:14.100 that aren't really driving things forward or not taking the 0:14:14.100 --> 0:14:16.380 kinds of swings or the big set pieces that we've 0:14:16.380 --> 0:14:19.530 come to love and appreciate from the show. And I 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:21.660 hear you guys on the first episode as well, and 0:14:21.660 --> 0:14:23.670 I can see why it didn't work for a lot 0:14:23.670 --> 0:14:26.430 of people. I had a slightly different response to it. 0:14:26.430 --> 0:14:27.960 And I'm not trying to say that if you didn't 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:30.610 like it, you're wrong or anything like that, but. And 0:14:30.610 --> 0:14:32.620 it may have to do with my mental state. Thomas, 0:14:32.620 --> 0:14:34.690 you and I, I was in Sydney. We were hanging out. 0:14:34.690 --> 0:14:37.989 We had a wonderful night at a wonderful restaurant in 0:14:37.990 --> 0:14:41.200 Sydney and Newtown. Delicious food, delicious drink. I caught a 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:43.570 flight the next morning. I was like a bit tired, 0:14:43.690 --> 0:14:46.330 a bit emotional in a certain mental state. And I 0:14:46.330 --> 0:14:52.030 watched this episode of television that I found visually quite beautiful. 0:14:52.030 --> 0:14:55.070 You know, I think Chris stories like using the cash 0:14:55.070 --> 0:14:56.990 that he's got and the budget, he's got to just 0:14:56.990 --> 0:14:59.030 flex his muscles a little bit. And part of me 0:14:59.030 --> 0:15:01.940 respects that. Like, you've created two seasons of a great show. 0:15:01.940 --> 0:15:04.130 Everyone loves you. You can kind of do whatever you want. 0:15:04.130 --> 0:15:07.010 Your apex now. And he said, I want an episode 0:15:07.010 --> 0:15:08.150 that I just want to, like, have a bit of 0:15:08.150 --> 0:15:10.250 fun in that I want to shoot in an interesting 0:15:10.250 --> 0:15:13.220 way that I want to make a little bit daring, 0:15:13.220 --> 0:15:16.130 a little bit experimental. I kind of appreciated that. I'm 0:15:16.130 --> 0:15:18.600 glad the whole season isn't that. I think it's interesting 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:21.180 and nice of him to stretch himself in a direction. 0:15:21.270 --> 0:15:24.540 I also did find some of the themes of it 0:15:24.540 --> 0:15:27.270 really interesting, like it is a bit of a restatement 0:15:27.270 --> 0:15:29.760 of the thesis of this show that Carmy is a 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:33.330 very troubled character, and every time he is presented with 0:15:33.330 --> 0:15:36.030 challenges or trauma, he doesn't know how to deal with it, 0:15:36.030 --> 0:15:38.640 and he throws himself into his work to try to 0:15:38.640 --> 0:15:41.780 seek some control in the kitchen environment, because he doesn't 0:15:41.780 --> 0:15:44.330 really feel like he's got control on other aspects of 0:15:44.330 --> 0:15:46.520 his life. One of the bits that I thought worked 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:49.910 really well was seeing that sort of cycle filter down, 0:15:50.330 --> 0:15:53.810 where you see Carmy finally creating the dish that he's 0:15:53.810 --> 0:15:57.050 the most proud of after this pressure. It's like a diamond, 0:15:57.050 --> 0:15:59.540 like he's put under this pressure from that mean chef 0:15:59.540 --> 0:16:03.560 Joel McHale. He's in that situation because he's fleeing all 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:06.320 sorts of other issues he's got. He finally nails the 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:09.650 perfect dish. And who is it who eats that dish? 0:16:09.680 --> 0:16:12.290 It's Sid, and she's like, I want to work with 0:16:12.290 --> 0:16:15.260 this guy. What a genius. Not aware at that time 0:16:15.260 --> 0:16:18.140 that he could only create something so masterful because of 0:16:18.140 --> 0:16:20.750 all the shit that he's carrying and how that hardened 0:16:20.750 --> 0:16:23.120 inside of him. And then you see, over the next 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:26.360 two and a half seasons, the way that Carmy brings 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:29.760 that trauma and stress onto her as well. I thought 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:32.850 that was a really interesting way to tell that story, 0:16:32.850 --> 0:16:35.070 but like I said, it was a restatement of everything 0:16:35.070 --> 0:16:37.590 we know. We know that kami is like a bit 0:16:37.590 --> 0:16:39.450 of a piece of shit who wasn't handling himself well. 0:16:39.450 --> 0:16:41.490 So did it push things forward? Not. 0:16:41.490 --> 0:16:44.250 Not really. Yeah. And how many times do they have 0:16:44.250 --> 0:16:47.610 to tell us that kami is traumatized and that he 0:16:47.610 --> 0:16:49.740 puts that out on people like, to me it was 0:16:49.740 --> 0:16:51.840 just like, oh my God, how many more times do 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:54.800 we have to see Tommy has problems? Kami is like 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:57.170 a perfectionist, blah blah blah. To me. He is the 0:16:57.170 --> 0:16:59.750 worst thing about this show and the less of kami 0:16:59.750 --> 0:17:01.520 in this show. And I'm sorry Thomas, like I hope 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:04.520 you're not taking this personally the worst thing. And the 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:07.639 less of him the better. And I just think the 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:11.179 show is best when he's not involved as much to me, 0:17:11.180 --> 0:17:13.850 because I know people will say to me, oh, but that's, 0:17:13.850 --> 0:17:16.729 you know, his character is meant to be unlikable and troubled, 0:17:16.730 --> 0:17:19.250 but you can have anti-heroes in other shows, and they 0:17:19.250 --> 0:17:23.030 don't feel as one dimensional to me as Carmy feels. 0:17:23.330 --> 0:17:25.220 I might go and put on my Marcus beanie, then 0:17:25.220 --> 0:17:29.239 feels weird because no, look, I do agree with you. 0:17:29.240 --> 0:17:31.669 I think there's like a few things going on. Um, 0:17:31.850 --> 0:17:33.619 I mean, like, yeah, you kind of said it at 0:17:33.619 --> 0:17:36.649 the top mil season three for any show. Like it 0:17:36.650 --> 0:17:39.500 actually was thinking a lot about succession last night. Just 0:17:39.500 --> 0:17:41.119 I mean, I feel like we talk about that show 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:43.649 so often, but more and more as these shows, you know, 0:17:43.650 --> 0:17:47.280 continue to like, navigate their way through different arcs, it 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:49.440 kind of just makes you realize how amazing succession was 0:17:49.440 --> 0:17:51.900 to maintain that quality for so long. But like season 0:17:51.900 --> 0:17:55.199 three is famously a tricky season for any show like 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:57.030 and especially, you know, season one, we were like thrown 0:17:57.030 --> 0:18:00.119 into this world. Everyone was like, what an incredible show. And, 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:01.860 you know, they're dealing with a subject matter that is 0:18:01.859 --> 0:18:04.109 easy and that you're building something, you know, from the 0:18:04.109 --> 0:18:06.760 ground up. And then season two, you know, they get 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:09.850 this thing going. And like, that's easy too, in a way. 0:18:09.850 --> 0:18:12.609 But then like where they're at in season three, like they've, 0:18:12.609 --> 0:18:16.120 they've got it is naturally like a less exciting subject matter, 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:18.070 I think. And I kind of agree with you in 0:18:18.070 --> 0:18:21.219 that kami like, it just feels like that. You know, 0:18:21.220 --> 0:18:23.710 we have been like ramped over the head with these 0:18:23.710 --> 0:18:26.889 messages of like, kami is like traumatized. Kami has issues 0:18:26.890 --> 0:18:29.320 and I feel like all of the tension is so 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:32.060 arrested right now with with everything that's going on, it's 0:18:32.060 --> 0:18:35.300 basically like we see Richie and Carmy continue to have 0:18:35.300 --> 0:18:38.300 their situation. Syd still doesn't feel that respected by Carmy. 0:18:38.300 --> 0:18:40.490 He offers her like an official partnership in the restaurant, 0:18:40.490 --> 0:18:42.560 but he doesn't actually listen to her or seek her 0:18:42.560 --> 0:18:45.350 counsel on dishes. The sister has been pregnant for like 0:18:45.350 --> 0:18:49.010 three years. It's insane. Like, I just I just feel like, 0:18:49.010 --> 0:18:51.050 you know, I understand the timeline of the show, but 0:18:51.050 --> 0:18:54.180 it feels like all of the tension has, like, not 0:18:54.180 --> 0:18:58.890 moved forward at all. And, you know, like, unfortunately, whether 0:18:58.890 --> 0:19:01.380 or not that's like a reflection of real life in 0:19:01.380 --> 0:19:04.169 this restaurant, but it doesn't necessarily then translate to really 0:19:04.170 --> 0:19:05.340 watchable TV. 0:19:05.369 --> 0:19:07.500 Yeah, I think there's a bit to talk about there 0:19:07.500 --> 0:19:09.000 in terms of the good and the bad of this 0:19:09.000 --> 0:19:11.940 show and also the season three issue. Before we get there, 0:19:11.940 --> 0:19:13.680 I want to maybe we'll just move through the rest 0:19:13.680 --> 0:19:15.389 of the season and talk about what we liked and 0:19:15.390 --> 0:19:18.609 didn't like. Episode two. You know, it's kind of like 0:19:18.609 --> 0:19:21.609 the return to normality in terms of the structure, the 0:19:21.609 --> 0:19:25.180 non-negotiables episode. But to your point, Thomas. Yeah, it's like 0:19:25.180 --> 0:19:27.730 predominantly about Richie and Carmy yelling at each other, which 0:19:27.730 --> 0:19:30.850 I did find very fun and interesting, but wasn't new. 0:19:30.850 --> 0:19:33.820 Wasn't that exciting? Episode three. It's just like, here's a 0:19:33.820 --> 0:19:37.330 restaurant operating over the space of a month. Great. We've 0:19:37.330 --> 0:19:40.930 seen that over two years as well. Episode four Syd 0:19:40.930 --> 0:19:43.399 gets her own apartment. I don't really care that much 0:19:43.400 --> 0:19:47.750 about that. Marcus's mum died. He. He speaks at the funeral, 0:19:47.750 --> 0:19:50.840 delivers the eulogy. It's now been like a season and 0:19:50.840 --> 0:19:54.380 a half of Marcus's mum dying. Like, in no disrespect 0:19:54.380 --> 0:19:56.719 to my guy, but, like, that's a lot of time 0:19:56.720 --> 0:20:01.160 to spend on one minor characters like personal family issue. 0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:03.890 And then episode five, the episode of the review where 0:20:03.890 --> 0:20:08.070 we get some of the stunt casting John Cena. Overall, 0:20:08.070 --> 0:20:11.100 I found those episodes like, I think at least episode 0:20:11.100 --> 0:20:13.650 one tried to do something different and interesting. I found 0:20:13.650 --> 0:20:16.440 the rest of it really treading water. The only bits 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:20.430 that really worked for me were Abby Elliott, who plays 0:20:20.760 --> 0:20:23.370 my sister. I find a really interesting and I get 0:20:23.369 --> 0:20:26.610 that the the pregnancy story, I think that resolves itself 0:20:26.609 --> 0:20:29.369 later in the season from, from what I've read. But 0:20:29.380 --> 0:20:32.739 she's really interesting and compelling, and I find her to 0:20:32.740 --> 0:20:36.399 be a really interesting anchor in this show. But that's 0:20:36.400 --> 0:20:38.229 kind of really all I can say in terms of 0:20:38.230 --> 0:20:40.090 what I really loving about it at the moment. 0:20:40.090 --> 0:20:42.970 Yeah, I completely agree. I think Nat or Sugar is 0:20:42.970 --> 0:20:46.330 she's known and Cousin Richie are like the beating heart 0:20:46.330 --> 0:20:49.270 of this show. And I actually think Cousin Richie where 0:20:49.270 --> 0:20:52.869 Carmy's character or writing of his character fails. Cousin Richie 0:20:52.869 --> 0:20:56.540 shows how you can be a complicated, traumatized character, but 0:20:56.540 --> 0:20:59.270 still not feel one note. And I thought the two 0:20:59.270 --> 0:21:00.590 best scenes and we have to say, like in the 0:21:00.590 --> 0:21:03.920 first five episodes, pretty much the dialogue consists of people 0:21:03.920 --> 0:21:06.050 telling each other to shut the fuck up like that 0:21:06.050 --> 0:21:08.270 is just like, go fuck yourself. Yeah, go fuck yourself. 0:21:08.270 --> 0:21:12.350 That's like the main dialogue, but there's two really great scenes. 0:21:12.350 --> 0:21:15.560 That scene with Cousin Richie where he's wondering whether he 0:21:15.560 --> 0:21:18.940 needs to stay out of his kid's life for her sake. 0:21:18.970 --> 0:21:20.380 Josh Hartnett coming out. 0:21:20.380 --> 0:21:22.990 Yeah, he's really having a renaissance. He was really. 0:21:22.990 --> 0:21:23.680 Good in that scene. 0:21:23.680 --> 0:21:25.179 Too. He was great in that scene. He was a 0:21:25.180 --> 0:21:26.470 really good, like, stunt car. 0:21:26.500 --> 0:21:28.360 I was like, really happy for Josh Hartnett. 0:21:28.359 --> 0:21:31.240 He was great in Oppenheimer. Bring him back. Yeah. Um, 0:21:31.240 --> 0:21:32.980 and then the other scene was the one with sugar 0:21:32.980 --> 0:21:35.619 where she's talking about. It's this really great moment of 0:21:35.619 --> 0:21:38.170 script writing where she's talking about worrying about passing what's 0:21:38.170 --> 0:21:40.869 going on in her head and her life down into 0:21:40.869 --> 0:21:44.109 her baby. And it does show that they have the 0:21:44.109 --> 0:21:48.490 potential to do these wonderful scenes, but they're too distracted 0:21:48.490 --> 0:21:52.450 by the montages and the close ups and the music, 0:21:52.450 --> 0:21:55.480 and they don't actually invest in these characters as much 0:21:55.480 --> 0:21:57.970 outside of the restaurant as I think that they should. 0:21:57.970 --> 0:21:59.680 And I feel like that's been one of the biggest 0:21:59.680 --> 0:22:01.330 things that's really bothered me. And like, I think it's 0:22:01.330 --> 0:22:02.740 fair to say I went into this show, like probably 0:22:02.890 --> 0:22:05.050 more prepared than anyone to like it, but like the 0:22:05.050 --> 0:22:08.450 tricks that made the first two seasons so great. Like 0:22:08.450 --> 0:22:11.750 like these, like really well timed flashbacks like these really 0:22:11.750 --> 0:22:14.689 kind of like beautiful montages of, like the minutiae of like, 0:22:14.690 --> 0:22:16.520 life in the kitchen and not necessarily just like food 0:22:16.520 --> 0:22:19.460 being cooked, but like Greece being, you know, wiped from 0:22:19.460 --> 0:22:22.430 the inside of an oven that, that they now feel 0:22:22.430 --> 0:22:24.650 like the biggest kind of like papering over the cracks 0:22:24.650 --> 0:22:27.530 of like holes in these episodes. And they've completely, like, 0:22:27.530 --> 0:22:30.179 forgotten the idea, you know, probably something you hear in 0:22:30.180 --> 0:22:32.100 the kitchen all the time, like less is more, and 0:22:32.100 --> 0:22:35.430 instead they're just like the aside from the opening episode, 0:22:35.430 --> 0:22:38.369 the amount of like flashbacks and montages, it's just such 0:22:38.369 --> 0:22:41.370 a like distraction. And also, I think it tells any 0:22:41.369 --> 0:22:44.430 savvy enough viewer that you've, like, not got a great 0:22:44.430 --> 0:22:46.830 idea of what's going on in your show because you're, 0:22:46.830 --> 0:22:48.630 you're doing this and I guess Oseman, I was curious 0:22:48.630 --> 0:22:50.250 to speak to you about this because you are such 0:22:50.250 --> 0:22:53.280 a marvel guy. Like, is this the whole like, Avengers 0:22:53.300 --> 0:22:55.250 Endgame situation where it's like, you split it in two 0:22:55.250 --> 0:22:57.500 because and then you just dilute the quality? 0:22:57.770 --> 0:23:00.050 I don't know what to say in response to that. 0:23:00.140 --> 0:23:02.690 The Avengers link was not one I expected. 0:23:02.810 --> 0:23:04.850 But yeah, also calling me a marvel guy. Like, I 0:23:04.850 --> 0:23:07.970 watch these things because they are the most popular forms 0:23:07.970 --> 0:23:11.660 of commercial entertainment to exist, and I feel responsible as 0:23:11.660 --> 0:23:15.140 a person who engages with culture and mass consumption of 0:23:15.140 --> 0:23:18.120 it to be across them. Um, but yeah, I mean, 0:23:18.119 --> 0:23:21.270 I weirdly, annoyingly, I'm going to now sound like a 0:23:21.270 --> 0:23:25.350 marvel guy. Avengers. The splitting of it didn't feel like this, 0:23:25.350 --> 0:23:28.890 because I feel like there was so many storylines that 0:23:28.890 --> 0:23:30.600 had been built up over such a long period of 0:23:30.600 --> 0:23:33.390 time that there was enough to warrant two movies. I mean, 0:23:33.390 --> 0:23:37.410 we're talking about maybe like 15 hours of television across 0:23:37.410 --> 0:23:40.500 these three and four seasons. This doesn't feel like there's 0:23:40.500 --> 0:23:44.420 15 hours or even 12 hours of storytelling to tell here. 0:23:44.420 --> 0:23:47.660 So we've got these flashbacks. We've got so many shots 0:23:47.660 --> 0:23:51.050 of Carmy deciding what micro herb to put on, so 0:23:51.050 --> 0:23:52.939 many shots of him cooking food and throwing it in 0:23:52.940 --> 0:23:57.080 the bin. And it's not clear to me what purpose 0:23:57.080 --> 0:23:59.780 they serve. You know, we had this conversation about action 0:23:59.780 --> 0:24:01.790 scenes and sex scenes and people say, what's the point 0:24:01.790 --> 0:24:04.459 of them? All these different sort of scenes can tell 0:24:04.460 --> 0:24:07.070 you something about a character. But for me, at this 0:24:07.070 --> 0:24:10.250 stage in this show, it's not clear what these scenes 0:24:10.250 --> 0:24:14.929 are supposed to represent. And Mel, you're right about Richie 0:24:14.930 --> 0:24:18.859 and Sugar being the most interesting because despite them playing 0:24:18.859 --> 0:24:22.070 specific roles in relation to how Carmy and the rest 0:24:22.070 --> 0:24:24.380 of the crew are doing, we know about their lives. 0:24:24.380 --> 0:24:26.479 We know what they're thinking about. We know what they're 0:24:26.480 --> 0:24:29.180 trying to process. We even know that Richie is obsessed 0:24:29.180 --> 0:24:32.580 with William Friedkin and Michael Mann films, right? That's like 0:24:32.580 --> 0:24:35.399 a fleshed out and interesting and compelling character who is 0:24:35.400 --> 0:24:38.189 trying to work at his job, find some meaning in 0:24:38.190 --> 0:24:41.489 his life through his profession, manage his his divorce and 0:24:41.490 --> 0:24:44.850 his kid and his ex-wife getting married. He's got he's 0:24:44.850 --> 0:24:47.669 got a relationship with the maitre d that worked at ever, 0:24:47.670 --> 0:24:49.950 the really fancy Olivia Colman restaurant. We understand all these 0:24:49.950 --> 0:24:52.800 things for Carmy. What do we what's going on in 0:24:52.800 --> 0:24:55.459 his life other than he's just, like, quite stressed out 0:24:55.460 --> 0:24:58.880 in the kitchen and misses his ex-girlfriend who's not in 0:24:58.880 --> 0:25:01.040 the show at all so far. So it's just flashbacks. 0:25:01.040 --> 0:25:04.250 It's a really bizarre situation I think the show has 0:25:04.250 --> 0:25:05.689 ended up at. 0:25:05.840 --> 0:25:08.030 And I was thinking about this a lot when watching 0:25:08.030 --> 0:25:10.490 the first five, because I particularly agree that, like, I 0:25:10.490 --> 0:25:13.730 really do unfortunately think kami is the least interesting character, 0:25:13.730 --> 0:25:15.979 and the show was so kind of like critically lauded 0:25:15.980 --> 0:25:19.080 for expanding that ensemble cast and giving everyone, like, equal billing. 0:25:19.080 --> 0:25:21.389 And then it was so funny to find the first, 0:25:21.390 --> 0:25:24.330 I mean, the first episode especially, but generally the vibe 0:25:24.330 --> 0:25:27.119 of the first five, kind of like batch of episodes 0:25:27.119 --> 0:25:29.400 is kami is like really front and center again. And 0:25:29.400 --> 0:25:33.900 I was thinking about like, what role does the reputation 0:25:33.900 --> 0:25:36.510 of the show like? Jeremy Allen white has no doubt 0:25:36.510 --> 0:25:38.940 become the biggest star from this show. Like, you know, 0:25:38.940 --> 0:25:40.890 I think Ayo Edebiri has a case also to make 0:25:40.890 --> 0:25:43.950 for how much her stock has risen. But those two really, 0:25:43.950 --> 0:25:46.770 let's say from the bear doing so well, have become 0:25:46.770 --> 0:25:49.950 like these huge pop culture figures now. And I wonder 0:25:49.950 --> 0:25:52.800 what the relationship like is between, you know, the network 0:25:52.800 --> 0:25:55.470 and the creators of the show when talking about what 0:25:55.470 --> 0:25:58.109 the season will look like. Because if you look at 0:25:58.109 --> 0:26:00.300 the trajectory of the show, it felt like Carmy was 0:26:00.300 --> 0:26:03.540 becoming less and less, you know, important and less crucial 0:26:03.540 --> 0:26:05.639 to be centered. And then suddenly we get to season 0:26:05.640 --> 0:26:08.050 three and the gap. You know, what's happened in that 0:26:08.050 --> 0:26:11.110 gap is that he's become a superstar, really. And then 0:26:11.109 --> 0:26:13.180 he's like, right back in the frame. And I was wondering, 0:26:13.180 --> 0:26:15.550 I'm like, if that kind of speaks to, I guess, 0:26:15.550 --> 0:26:18.280 you know, leveraging his star power because I wouldn't have 0:26:18.280 --> 0:26:19.900 expected it to be the case. 0:26:19.900 --> 0:26:22.540 It's a really interesting one. And also you note where 0:26:22.540 --> 0:26:25.330 like you hear these things from people like Olivia Colman 0:26:25.330 --> 0:26:27.879 and Joe McHale, who are these actors coming in for 0:26:27.880 --> 0:26:29.929 an episode or a scene or two? They're like, we 0:26:29.930 --> 0:26:31.609 just fly in for a day. We shoot our sins, 0:26:31.609 --> 0:26:34.940 we fly out. It's interesting hearing you make that point, 0:26:34.940 --> 0:26:37.560 because most of Carmy's scenes are in like 1 or 0:26:37.560 --> 0:26:40.310 2 sets, and we know that he's like working on 0:26:40.310 --> 0:26:42.950 like a oh, so many different film projects and other 0:26:42.950 --> 0:26:46.490 things right now that maybe they're one foot in the bear, 0:26:46.490 --> 0:26:48.830 one foot out of the bear. And that then impacts 0:26:48.830 --> 0:26:50.870 the story you can tell and the scenes that these 0:26:50.869 --> 0:26:53.090 guys can be in. The other thing I wanted to 0:26:53.090 --> 0:26:55.320 ask you guys about, I think it kind of goes 0:26:55.320 --> 0:26:58.740 to the nature of what kind of show the bear is, 0:26:58.740 --> 0:27:01.110 what kind of show maybe the creators wanted to make 0:27:01.109 --> 0:27:04.230 and where it's going now. These sorts of like three, four, 0:27:04.230 --> 0:27:08.340 five season shows. Succession is like a clear standout that 0:27:08.340 --> 0:27:09.870 doesn't really fit into this because of just how kind 0:27:09.869 --> 0:27:13.020 of special it was. But these kinds of shows last 0:27:13.020 --> 0:27:17.129 because you create an ensemble cast, a dynamic, a vibe 0:27:17.130 --> 0:27:19.330 that you want to hang out with, right? Like shows 0:27:19.330 --> 0:27:23.020 like The Office, these workplace situational comedies or dramas. It's like, 0:27:23.020 --> 0:27:26.139 I want to see these guys for 20 episodes a year, whatever. 0:27:26.140 --> 0:27:28.450 Just like get up to high jinks, just do some stuff. 0:27:28.450 --> 0:27:32.080 Maybe there'll be some plot lines about love, death and marriages, 0:27:32.080 --> 0:27:33.879 and it's a little bit soapy, and this show is 0:27:33.880 --> 0:27:36.399 a little bit of that soapiness to it as well. 0:27:36.400 --> 0:27:40.629 But it's also very firmly in terms of its structure 0:27:40.630 --> 0:27:45.649 and themes, that classic kind of prestige show like more focused. 0:27:45.650 --> 0:27:47.690 It's trying to tell a particular story. It's got eight 0:27:47.690 --> 0:27:50.780 episodes here or eight episodes there. The stakes are really high. 0:27:50.780 --> 0:27:55.760 It's really grappling with big, complex ideas about trauma and 0:27:55.760 --> 0:27:58.129 life and work and family and all that sort of stuff, 0:27:58.130 --> 0:28:00.379 and it feels like it's kind of trying to do 0:28:00.380 --> 0:28:02.090 both those things and not doing it well. Like there's 0:28:02.090 --> 0:28:04.190 almost a version of the show where the stakes aren't 0:28:04.190 --> 0:28:06.149 so high, it's not so fucking intense and there's so 0:28:06.150 --> 0:28:08.729 much swearing. And it's just like today is about Marcus 0:28:08.730 --> 0:28:10.950 trying to, like, go to the donut store and figure 0:28:10.950 --> 0:28:13.260 out what his new donut recipe is. And if the 0:28:13.260 --> 0:28:16.170 tension isn't ratcheted up, you can just enjoy that. And 0:28:16.170 --> 0:28:18.780 then you look forward to the CID episode or the 0:28:18.780 --> 0:28:21.450 comedy episode. But the show doesn't want to give up 0:28:21.450 --> 0:28:25.469 being a very serious, dark kind of a series, and 0:28:25.470 --> 0:28:28.560 I think that is also feeding into why it feels 0:28:28.560 --> 0:28:31.000 a bit tonally mixed here. Do you guys have thoughts 0:28:31.000 --> 0:28:31.449 on that? 0:28:31.480 --> 0:28:33.760 Yeah, I think that's right. I think you can either 0:28:33.760 --> 0:28:37.689 develop character or plot or both if you're a great show, 0:28:37.690 --> 0:28:40.960 but this season seems to be doing none. The plot 0:28:40.960 --> 0:28:44.350 is at a stasis. The characters are at a stasis. 0:28:44.380 --> 0:28:48.580 And then what might be the experimental element of the show? 0:28:48.580 --> 0:28:51.580 And of course, like I do appreciate that he's mixing 0:28:51.580 --> 0:28:53.380 it up in the first Christopher story is mixing it 0:28:53.380 --> 0:28:56.240 up in the first episode and some of these episodes, 0:28:56.240 --> 0:28:59.510 but I don't think it's, um, I don't I don't 0:28:59.510 --> 0:29:02.210 think it's it's working. And he's lost. What did actually 0:29:02.210 --> 0:29:05.270 make the show great in the first and also to 0:29:05.300 --> 0:29:08.810 that tonal difference, there's a lot of the fact family 0:29:08.810 --> 0:29:12.020 comes into this. Matty Matheson and his brother have a 0:29:12.020 --> 0:29:14.930 bit more of a lead role in the first five episodes, 0:29:14.930 --> 0:29:17.420 and it's very clear that they're there for some comic 0:29:17.420 --> 0:29:20.250 relief in between all the yelling. But their scenes are 0:29:20.250 --> 0:29:24.660 very slapsticky, and the juxtaposition just feels really like we've 0:29:24.660 --> 0:29:26.730 got to have some hecticness now. We've got to have 0:29:26.730 --> 0:29:29.940 some lightness. And I also found that that tonally, it 0:29:29.940 --> 0:29:32.610 couldn't quite pick whether it wanted to make us laugh 0:29:32.610 --> 0:29:35.280 or cry, love or hate. It was. Yeah, it was 0:29:35.280 --> 0:29:36.180 a bit confusing. 0:29:36.180 --> 0:29:38.700 Yeah, I really found that. And, you know, we were 0:29:38.700 --> 0:29:40.260 going to talk about, I guess, like what we think 0:29:40.260 --> 0:29:43.480 is working and not working for the season. And like 0:29:43.990 --> 0:29:46.060 for me, in terms of what's not working, I would 0:29:46.060 --> 0:29:49.630 definitely say that the comedy element is it's like, again, 0:29:49.630 --> 0:29:52.300 I feel like I'm like watching the head noise of 0:29:52.300 --> 0:29:54.850 Christopher Cetera on screen. Like, not only has there been 0:29:54.850 --> 0:29:57.400 a little bit of chat around the fact that, you know, 0:29:57.400 --> 0:29:59.680 is there a bit of like, nomination fraud for The Bear? 0:29:59.680 --> 0:30:02.710 It gets nominated in the comedy category for the Emmys, 0:30:02.710 --> 0:30:06.120 and it's swept that category last season. But like this 0:30:06.120 --> 0:30:08.070 show is not a comedy, and there's always a conversation 0:30:08.070 --> 0:30:10.590 around that. But like, there was some kind of chatter 0:30:10.590 --> 0:30:13.290 online about, like, is the show like shoehorning in these 0:30:13.290 --> 0:30:16.170 comedy scenes? And it's always been kind of funny, but 0:30:16.170 --> 0:30:18.930 especially like, yeah, as you said, Mel, the fact that, 0:30:18.930 --> 0:30:22.050 you know, like Jack and his brothers have been so clearly, like, 0:30:22.050 --> 0:30:25.170 slotted in as this comedic relief and previously in previous seasons, 0:30:25.170 --> 0:30:27.300 like he had this, you know, like funny interactions with 0:30:27.300 --> 0:30:29.040 Richie and they all felt so organic as they were 0:30:29.040 --> 0:30:32.310 trying to fucking revive the beef and then start the bear. 0:30:32.310 --> 0:30:34.740 Whereas now it's like we have these really intense scenes 0:30:34.740 --> 0:30:38.220 and then we cut to fuck, like buffing a floor 0:30:38.220 --> 0:30:40.860 or trying to measure up a glass. And it's so 0:30:40.860 --> 0:30:44.190 like it just feels so jarring. It's like, you know, 0:30:44.190 --> 0:30:46.590 you're watching like comedic relief and it just has the 0:30:46.590 --> 0:30:49.230 reverse effect. And and for me, it feels like such 0:30:49.230 --> 0:30:51.570 a shame because the show has always been so good 0:30:51.570 --> 0:30:54.170 at blending this really intense trauma and drama with like, 0:30:54.170 --> 0:30:57.290 really funny bits of very natural comedy. And now it, 0:30:57.290 --> 0:30:59.300 you know, like, feels like a box is being ticked. 0:31:10.670 --> 0:31:13.550 I think what's interesting, reflecting back on season two, I 0:31:13.550 --> 0:31:15.890 don't know how you guys feel, but the two episodes 0:31:15.890 --> 0:31:18.020 just stand out to me of fishes and forks and 0:31:18.020 --> 0:31:20.450 I feel like everyone remembers those. And they came in 0:31:20.450 --> 0:31:23.330 the second half of the season and they were really big, 0:31:23.330 --> 0:31:26.720 big set piece kinds of things and doing very different things, 0:31:26.720 --> 0:31:30.680 but showing you the absolute highs and emotional lows of 0:31:30.680 --> 0:31:35.060 what television can evoke within you. If this show in 0:31:35.060 --> 0:31:38.000 its final half has a couple of episodes like that, 0:31:38.000 --> 0:31:40.940 I think that will probably drown out our issues with 0:31:40.940 --> 0:31:43.420 the first half of the season. I think it's still 0:31:43.420 --> 0:31:46.150 the key issue, still seems to be too many episodes 0:31:46.150 --> 0:31:48.670 for the amount of plot and development that they've got, 0:31:48.670 --> 0:31:51.730 but I am pretty interested to check back in next 0:31:51.730 --> 0:31:55.090 week and see how we go. But before we finish 0:31:55.090 --> 0:31:57.730 on the bear, I had a question for you guys. 0:31:57.880 --> 0:31:59.830 It kind of leads me to a prediction I want 0:31:59.830 --> 0:32:02.170 to make about where this season or where the show 0:32:02.170 --> 0:32:06.200 is going. Story wise, the food on the show is 0:32:06.200 --> 0:32:10.400 obviously a show about fine dining, restaurants and and food 0:32:10.400 --> 0:32:13.010 is a key part of it. I've started to come 0:32:13.010 --> 0:32:16.160 to the conclusion, or perhaps the realization that I don't 0:32:16.160 --> 0:32:19.400 think the food on this show looks particularly good. What 0:32:19.400 --> 0:32:20.390 do you guys think? 0:32:20.420 --> 0:32:23.390 I think I would if I was in Chicago living 0:32:23.390 --> 0:32:25.160 in this fictional universe, I would be going to the 0:32:25.160 --> 0:32:27.890 sandwich window and not the restaurant. 0:32:27.890 --> 0:32:30.090 I agree, I'm a vegetarian, but I reckon they made 0:32:30.090 --> 0:32:33.870 those beef shots look quite sumptuous compared to compared to 0:32:33.870 --> 0:32:36.450 the fine dining shots that Carmy's making. 0:32:36.450 --> 0:32:39.630 Actually sort of. You guys have stepped on my theory here. 0:32:39.630 --> 0:32:42.660 I wonder whether the arc of this show is going 0:32:42.660 --> 0:32:48.270 to be. After trying to prove himself in the fine 0:32:48.270 --> 0:32:52.800 dining world and saying, originally, I don't care about the 0:32:52.800 --> 0:32:55.780 chef's star and then going for the chef's star and 0:32:55.780 --> 0:33:00.340 realizing perhaps that dealing with all of his issues through 0:33:00.340 --> 0:33:03.220 pouring his energy into a fine dining kitchen is not 0:33:03.220 --> 0:33:06.100 the outcome here. In fact, it is alienating him and 0:33:06.100 --> 0:33:08.860 everyone else involved from the people they love. We end 0:33:08.860 --> 0:33:13.000 up back at the original Beef of Chicago, because it's 0:33:13.000 --> 0:33:17.050 interesting that this season has the guy making those sandwiches. 0:33:17.050 --> 0:33:19.320 They look great. It's successful. They're talking about how that's 0:33:19.320 --> 0:33:21.330 the only part of the business making money. I kind 0:33:21.330 --> 0:33:23.280 of think the show is going to end with them 0:33:23.280 --> 0:33:27.030 shutting down the bear and saying, let let's just make 0:33:27.030 --> 0:33:30.510 these delicious sandwiches in honor of Mike. That's that's my prediction. Yeah. 0:33:30.510 --> 0:33:33.360 That seems like a classic Carmy move to destroy everything. 0:33:33.360 --> 0:33:36.450 He's made everyone build from him and once again run 0:33:36.450 --> 0:33:40.020 away from all his troubles, financial and food, and just 0:33:40.020 --> 0:33:41.670 make sandwiches again. Yeah, that's. 0:33:42.120 --> 0:33:43.709 Like I've been saying, I'm not enjoying the show. We're 0:33:43.710 --> 0:33:46.410 not going to fucking character assassinate my boy kami. Here. 0:33:47.100 --> 0:33:48.570 A few things to add before we finish up on 0:33:48.570 --> 0:33:51.210 the bear. Uh, number one, I think maybe that is right. 0:33:51.210 --> 0:33:53.580 And I feel like they have kind of, um, given 0:33:53.580 --> 0:33:55.830 us a few, like, clues along the way. Even in 0:33:55.830 --> 0:33:58.530 episode five, there's a moment where kami, who has basically 0:33:58.530 --> 0:34:01.860 shut out everyone in his work life, family life, everything 0:34:01.860 --> 0:34:03.989 he like, you know, they drop some trays and he 0:34:03.990 --> 0:34:06.100 finds himself with Ibrahim, the guy who's running, you know, 0:34:06.100 --> 0:34:09.310 the beef sandwich window. And he just they look at 0:34:09.310 --> 0:34:10.930 each other and he's like, am I fucking this up? 0:34:10.930 --> 0:34:12.940 And I thought that was interesting. You know, he like, yeah. 0:34:12.940 --> 0:34:15.040 In the kitchen hierarchy Ibrahim is kind of like down 0:34:15.040 --> 0:34:16.780 the bottom. He's just doing the sandwich window. But he 0:34:16.780 --> 0:34:19.270 can't be like really genuinely asks him like, am I 0:34:19.270 --> 0:34:20.680 ruining this? And you're kind of. 0:34:20.680 --> 0:34:22.359 Insightful of him, isn't it? Yeah. 0:34:22.750 --> 0:34:25.000 Don't just leave him alone. But I would say it's 0:34:25.000 --> 0:34:26.860 very funny. I was reading, uh, like a story, a 0:34:26.860 --> 0:34:29.650 story from Eater.com, you know, that website. And they were 0:34:29.650 --> 0:34:31.739 talking particularly about the food. It was a food writer 0:34:31.739 --> 0:34:33.600 writing this review, and they were like, you know, the 0:34:33.600 --> 0:34:35.730 restaurants I love, they each have like an identity and 0:34:35.730 --> 0:34:38.310 a theme. And, you know, Osman, you own a restaurant. 0:34:38.310 --> 0:34:39.660 You know how important it is to to know. 0:34:39.660 --> 0:34:41.550 I feel like I'm uniquely placed out of many people 0:34:41.550 --> 0:34:44.070 in this world to comment on, on this show. Exactly. 0:34:44.070 --> 0:34:46.290 But she was like the food that I see Carmy 0:34:46.290 --> 0:34:49.140 making has like, no identity. Like, all we ever get 0:34:49.140 --> 0:34:51.150 told is that he's a genius and he's excellent, but like, 0:34:51.150 --> 0:34:53.040 none of his food seems to make sense to him. 0:34:53.040 --> 0:34:55.150 It's just like really fine dining. Like, I don't know, 0:34:55.150 --> 0:34:56.859 I don't mouth water over any of the food. I 0:34:56.860 --> 0:34:59.379 still think about the omelet from last season that Syd 0:34:59.380 --> 0:35:01.480 made like she whipped up, but the food here is 0:35:01.480 --> 0:35:04.150 just like it's the worst of what people think of 0:35:04.150 --> 0:35:05.350 fine dining, I reckon. 0:35:05.350 --> 0:35:08.649 I think that's spot on, and I think that Christopher 0:35:08.680 --> 0:35:11.920 knows enough about fine dining to understand that as well. Like, 0:35:11.920 --> 0:35:13.870 I don't think this is an accident. I think it 0:35:13.870 --> 0:35:17.590 only makes sense if it concludes with the realization that 0:35:17.590 --> 0:35:20.050 this is not authentic to him. Like we talked about this, 0:35:20.050 --> 0:35:22.450 I think in season two when they're making the bear 0:35:22.450 --> 0:35:24.850 and they're like, well, what is our menu going to be? 0:35:24.850 --> 0:35:26.469 It's like, if you don't have a vision for your menu, 0:35:26.469 --> 0:35:27.879 what the hell are you doing? You're sort of just 0:35:27.880 --> 0:35:31.090 like fulfilling this role that you've observed without that kind 0:35:31.090 --> 0:35:33.760 of creative spark, that passion that drives you. He's in 0:35:33.760 --> 0:35:37.509 the kitchen every episode. Venison with a bearnaise foam. Like, 0:35:37.510 --> 0:35:39.760 none of that makes sense. And I and I think 0:35:39.760 --> 0:35:43.190 even though it's annoying to see so much of that stuff, 0:35:43.190 --> 0:35:46.730 if the payoff is I'm a fucking idiot, these delicious 0:35:46.730 --> 0:35:50.540 beef sandwiches are the best thing in the world. That's 0:35:50.540 --> 0:35:52.520 what I'm going to do. Yeah. Fair enough. 0:35:52.520 --> 0:35:55.460 And so I just wanted to lastly ask, uh, I 0:35:55.460 --> 0:36:00.470 realize you're kind of like, uh, the uncle in your restaurant, but, like, 0:36:00.469 --> 0:36:02.450 if you came off air today and you had, like, 0:36:02.450 --> 0:36:05.750 a voicemail from your head chef and he was like, yo, Oz, 0:36:05.800 --> 0:36:09.430 I've decided we're changing the menu every single day. Uh, also, 0:36:09.430 --> 0:36:12.009 I need $1 million for micro herbs. Would you be like, 0:36:12.010 --> 0:36:14.620 absolutely not. Or would you back the creativity? 0:36:14.650 --> 0:36:20.140 Well, that's that's what the show does get I think so. Well, 0:36:20.140 --> 0:36:23.800 it nails this. The various pressures of running a restaurant 0:36:23.800 --> 0:36:25.360 in a kind of a post Covid era. It's like 0:36:25.360 --> 0:36:27.880 we want the best possible ingredients because that's how you 0:36:27.880 --> 0:36:30.490 make the best food. But that's pretty expensive and it's 0:36:30.489 --> 0:36:33.670 getting more expensive and farmers markets are struggling. We want 0:36:33.670 --> 0:36:37.780 to change the menu to be responsive to what's seasonally in, 0:36:37.780 --> 0:36:40.840 you know, being being produced or being grown. That's really 0:36:40.840 --> 0:36:43.750 hard to do. You don't have, uh, you don't have 0:36:43.750 --> 0:36:46.600 like an expectation from the people coming into the restaurant. 0:36:46.600 --> 0:36:49.989 The chefs are not always communicating effectively with the front 0:36:49.989 --> 0:36:52.810 of house. These are all the challenges. You don't make 0:36:52.810 --> 0:36:55.910 the intake you expect for that week that puts pressure on. 0:36:55.910 --> 0:36:58.100 You've got to cut back all that stuff, even down 0:36:58.100 --> 0:37:01.850 to shit. We've been reviewed this week. We didn't know 0:37:01.850 --> 0:37:03.890 they're coming to take a photo. All of that stuff 0:37:03.890 --> 0:37:06.200 plays out in fine dining land, and I think the 0:37:06.200 --> 0:37:08.299 show does that well. I think what's still kind of 0:37:08.300 --> 0:37:11.240 missing is like, to what purpose? To what purpose? That 0:37:11.239 --> 0:37:15.440 we exploring their anxieties about the fine dining space. I 0:37:15.440 --> 0:37:18.270 didn't answer your question directly, I realized, Thomas, But, um, 0:37:18.420 --> 0:37:20.910 you know, I think it's a partnership. I did. I did, though, 0:37:20.910 --> 0:37:23.549 have a message with my chef this morning about something 0:37:23.550 --> 0:37:24.570 financial related, but. 0:37:25.080 --> 0:37:25.350 We'll keep. 0:37:25.350 --> 0:37:26.549 The details of that private. 0:37:27.480 --> 0:37:30.990 I will say, I think that if it does have 0:37:30.989 --> 0:37:35.069 some standout episodes in the last five, that could save 0:37:35.070 --> 0:37:38.279 the season, because I remember absolutely hating the first five 0:37:38.280 --> 0:37:40.739 episodes of season two. I thought they were so sappy 0:37:40.739 --> 0:37:44.410 and sentimental. And and then the last half absolutely saved it. 0:37:44.410 --> 0:37:47.259 So I feel like I'm not completely ready to write 0:37:47.260 --> 0:37:50.080 off the bear. I think it could redeem itself. And 0:37:50.080 --> 0:37:52.870 even if it just has two episodes that everyone talks 0:37:52.870 --> 0:37:55.810 about forever, that that that'll be something for me. 0:37:55.810 --> 0:37:59.020 Okay, firstly, I would say you hated last season because 0:37:59.020 --> 0:38:00.550 you didn't like that there was a love story and 0:38:00.550 --> 0:38:02.620 you thought Claire was a manic pixie dream girl and 0:38:02.620 --> 0:38:05.170 you just didn't want a bar of her, which apparently 0:38:05.170 --> 0:38:07.399 seems to be in agreeance with what Christopher Storer thinks, 0:38:07.400 --> 0:38:09.860 because she's basically only exists as a flashback now. 0:38:10.219 --> 0:38:11.870 It didn't work out. Sorry, Claire, but. 0:38:12.080 --> 0:38:15.890 No, I, I remember last season I didn't dislike the 0:38:15.890 --> 0:38:18.080 first five as much as you and then the back five, 0:38:18.080 --> 0:38:21.260 like really, really crushed it. I do think even if 0:38:21.260 --> 0:38:23.330 the next five and you know, we've kind of all 0:38:23.330 --> 0:38:25.040 read ahead in terms of like a little bit of 0:38:25.040 --> 0:38:26.840 reviews and it seems that there are some really good 0:38:26.840 --> 0:38:29.060 moments coming in in the back half of the season. 0:38:29.060 --> 0:38:31.290 I still don't know, even if the next five absolutely 0:38:31.290 --> 0:38:33.090 smack it out of the park. I don't, I just 0:38:33.090 --> 0:38:35.820 know for a fact in my fucking soul that I 0:38:35.820 --> 0:38:37.860 didn't feel the same watching these first five as I 0:38:37.860 --> 0:38:40.650 have previously watching the show. Like it's just it's edged 0:38:40.650 --> 0:38:42.750 off for me and so I don't know, I think 0:38:42.750 --> 0:38:45.390 it'll yeah, unfortunately I don't know how good this season 0:38:45.390 --> 0:38:47.580 can be. Even if the next five are absolutely stellar. 0:38:47.580 --> 0:38:48.870 Will you hang up your apron? 0:38:49.469 --> 0:38:52.440 Well, I don't know. I just yeah, I have to 0:38:52.440 --> 0:38:53.549 seriously think about it. 0:38:53.550 --> 0:38:56.380 My question is, is I don't know if Molly Gordon, 0:38:56.380 --> 0:38:58.720 because I did avoid reading about the next episodes. I 0:38:58.719 --> 0:39:01.390 don't know if Molly Gordon is coming back to play Claire, 0:39:01.390 --> 0:39:02.920 and I don't know if I want her to. I 0:39:02.920 --> 0:39:04.450 don't know if that's actually going to be really good 0:39:04.450 --> 0:39:06.910 for the show or really bad. So I am interested 0:39:06.910 --> 0:39:09.640 to see how they explore that or if they if 0:39:09.640 --> 0:39:10.420 they go there. 0:39:10.840 --> 0:39:13.570 I'm very proud of all of us showing restraint in this. 0:39:13.570 --> 0:39:16.570 Thanks for. Yeah. So we'll be back next week with, uh, 0:39:16.570 --> 0:39:19.370 the next five where, you know, maybe Thomas in real 0:39:19.370 --> 0:39:23.060 time can, like, burn his apron. Um, in terms of 0:39:23.060 --> 0:39:25.279 how he's feeling, put on the Marcus beanie. Do you 0:39:25.280 --> 0:39:27.319 guys want to do a bit of a presumed innocent 0:39:27.320 --> 0:39:28.040 check in? 0:39:28.040 --> 0:39:29.270 Yes, I do, yes, I do. 0:39:29.480 --> 0:39:31.850 So you guys talked about this with Meg? Uh, really 0:39:31.850 --> 0:39:34.040 great chat. When I was off. I didn't get to 0:39:34.040 --> 0:39:36.890 talk to you guys about it. Um, we're up to 0:39:36.890 --> 0:39:40.940 episode four of that show just to put my, uh, 0:39:40.940 --> 0:39:43.390 thoughts and feelings on the table. I really like this show. 0:39:43.420 --> 0:39:46.450 I think it's great. Um, I think Jake Gyllenhaal is 0:39:46.450 --> 0:39:50.410 the best he's been since, like, Zodiac or Nightcrawler. Like 0:39:50.410 --> 0:39:53.529 he's doing really, really well doing a similar sort of job, 0:39:53.530 --> 0:39:56.379 I think. I think this show is is great. It's 0:39:56.380 --> 0:40:00.370 like one of the best crime procedurals I've seen since 0:40:00.370 --> 0:40:02.680 the night of, like, I love David E Kelley, I 0:40:02.680 --> 0:40:05.680 love Jake, I love Bill camp, I love Elisabeth Moss, 0:40:05.739 --> 0:40:08.410 like all the side characters in this Peter Sarsgaard, they're 0:40:08.410 --> 0:40:11.920 all so good and I'm so hooked. And I sort 0:40:11.920 --> 0:40:15.160 of sometimes hate how every episode ends in that real 0:40:15.160 --> 0:40:17.770 obvious cliffhanger way. But the show is so good, and 0:40:17.770 --> 0:40:20.170 there are so many great characters and twists that I 0:40:20.170 --> 0:40:23.710 kind of don't care. I'm really, really enjoying it. And yeah, 0:40:23.710 --> 0:40:25.330 still loving it. Four apps in I. 0:40:25.330 --> 0:40:27.580 Think the Night Of is a really good comparison and 0:40:27.580 --> 0:40:29.710 I keep thinking of that. And also they keep saying 0:40:29.710 --> 0:40:32.690 the night of in the series, but subliminal. 0:40:32.690 --> 0:40:32.930 Yeah. 0:40:32.960 --> 0:40:34.310 Bill camp was in both as well. 0:40:34.310 --> 0:40:36.080 So there are a lot of obvious solutions. 0:40:36.080 --> 0:40:38.960 But I yes, I think that's spot on. Um, I 0:40:38.960 --> 0:40:40.910 was thinking about it. Why do I love this so much? 0:40:40.910 --> 0:40:44.330 It's not like it's reinventing the wheel of the crime drama, 0:40:44.330 --> 0:40:46.820 but it is so slick and the characters are all 0:40:46.820 --> 0:40:51.170 so interesting, and the plot moves so fast that it's 0:40:51.170 --> 0:40:54.220 just gripping to watch. And we talked about it with Meg, 0:40:54.219 --> 0:40:56.859 but because I haven't seen the original and I don't 0:40:56.860 --> 0:41:00.160 know if this deviates from the original book or movie 0:41:00.160 --> 0:41:03.790 at all, I really don't know who is responsible. Yeah, 0:41:03.790 --> 0:41:06.010 who done it. So, um, and they keep throwing in 0:41:06.010 --> 0:41:08.560 new contenders. So yeah, it's got me completely hooked. And 0:41:08.560 --> 0:41:10.899 I would say it's maybe the best crime show I've 0:41:10.900 --> 0:41:13.509 seen this year or in some time. 0:41:13.510 --> 0:41:15.370 Yeah, I reckon it's 100% one of the shows of 0:41:15.370 --> 0:41:17.320 the year. And it is funny because it's because it's 0:41:17.320 --> 0:41:20.029 David E Kelley. It does. It almost feels like it's 0:41:20.030 --> 0:41:22.670 it feels very contemporary and stuff, but it feels also 0:41:22.670 --> 0:41:25.250 very 90s like, especially with the cliffhanger thing at the 0:41:25.250 --> 0:41:26.870 end of each episode. And it's like, you know, big 0:41:26.870 --> 0:41:28.790 moment and then like you kind of like shock and 0:41:28.790 --> 0:41:30.560 awe and then like, the credits roll. I feel like 0:41:30.560 --> 0:41:33.319 that's such a 90s tool that they used to use 0:41:33.320 --> 0:41:36.259 in these shows, especially David E Kelley. Um, but yeah, 0:41:36.260 --> 0:41:38.540 I think it's it's definitely one of the shows of 0:41:38.540 --> 0:41:40.819 the year and especially, I guess, you know, coming off 0:41:40.820 --> 0:41:43.180 the back of talking about the bear. But again, I 0:41:43.180 --> 0:41:46.390 reckon like the ensemble casting for this Is so good, like, 0:41:46.390 --> 0:41:48.850 you could, I could happily watch an entire bottle episode 0:41:48.850 --> 0:41:52.390 of Peter Sarsgaard being a fucking slime ball or like, 0:41:52.390 --> 0:41:54.100 I mean, we do get so much of Bill camp 0:41:54.100 --> 0:41:55.840 and his wife and even their home life is like 0:41:55.840 --> 0:41:57.700 such an interesting dynamic. Like everyone, you. 0:41:57.700 --> 0:41:59.739 Know, they're a real couple in real life. 0:41:59.739 --> 0:42:00.310 No, really. 0:42:00.640 --> 0:42:02.740 Yeah, yeah. Elizabeth Marvel and Bill camp, which I think 0:42:02.739 --> 0:42:04.780 adds an awesome layer. It makes it feel so real 0:42:04.780 --> 0:42:05.319 watching them. 0:42:05.320 --> 0:42:05.530 Yeah. 0:42:05.530 --> 0:42:07.670 Especially especially because like the way they bicker feels so 0:42:07.670 --> 0:42:09.890 real and she's like concerned about his health. But you know, 0:42:09.890 --> 0:42:12.440 like it's yeah, that's great. I didn't know that. Um, 0:42:12.440 --> 0:42:15.350 but yeah, like I just think it's across the board, 0:42:15.350 --> 0:42:17.719 you know, like we spoke in last week's episode about, 0:42:17.719 --> 0:42:21.080 you know, I guess like crime shows and the idea of, like, 0:42:21.080 --> 0:42:23.300 another really gruesome death to a young woman and how 0:42:23.300 --> 0:42:25.910 that is becoming tired. And yet, here we are. I 0:42:25.910 --> 0:42:28.609 do feel like, unfortunately, this show like slots neatly into 0:42:28.610 --> 0:42:30.230 those categories. And yet it feels like one of the 0:42:30.230 --> 0:42:32.930 most gripping shows of the year. 0:42:32.930 --> 0:42:35.270 And if you compare the two leads, Jeremy Allen White 0:42:35.270 --> 0:42:38.330 as Carmy and Jake Gyllenhaal, they're both moody and hot, 0:42:38.330 --> 0:42:43.850 quote unquote and complete quote unquote complicated men, but who 0:42:43.850 --> 0:42:46.190 don't say a lot and are obviously just kind of 0:42:46.190 --> 0:42:48.650 messing up their lives and everyone else's in the process 0:42:48.650 --> 0:42:51.410 of dealing with their issues. But like the way they 0:42:51.410 --> 0:42:54.819 do it with Jake Gyllenhaal, it's complicated. It's way more 0:42:54.820 --> 0:42:57.250 complicated than what they're doing with kami. And you kind 0:42:57.250 --> 0:43:00.069 of hate him. You feel for him, you understand him. 0:43:00.070 --> 0:43:03.070 It it has a different emotional complexity to it. I 0:43:03.070 --> 0:43:05.140 think if you're looking at those leads. 0:43:05.320 --> 0:43:06.160 Would you say he's so. 0:43:06.160 --> 0:43:06.759 Sexy? 0:43:06.790 --> 0:43:10.959 Jake Gyllenhaal I mean, he's incredibly jacked in this. It's 0:43:10.960 --> 0:43:12.100 crazy how jacked he is. 0:43:12.100 --> 0:43:12.850 I know I was. 0:43:12.850 --> 0:43:14.920 Thinking like, if that was my I don't want to 0:43:14.920 --> 0:43:16.330 say daddy, but like. 0:43:16.600 --> 0:43:17.350 You can say daddy. 0:43:18.100 --> 0:43:21.130 If I was those children and that was my dad. Like, 0:43:21.130 --> 0:43:24.160 imagine having Jake Gyllenhaal looking like that as your father. 0:43:24.520 --> 0:43:27.910 Yeah, he's come off the, um, the road. What's that film? 0:43:28.180 --> 0:43:29.650 Oh, yeah. Roadhouse. 0:43:29.650 --> 0:43:32.650 Yeah. He's come off the Roadhouse set just straight into, like, 0:43:32.650 --> 0:43:34.810 playing a prosecutor. And there's a couple of scenes in 0:43:34.810 --> 0:43:36.610 the first few where he swims a lot, so you're like, oh, 0:43:36.610 --> 0:43:38.350 that's why he's jacked. I don't think you get that 0:43:38.350 --> 0:43:41.080 jacked from doing a couple of laps. Uh, Jake G. 0:43:41.110 --> 0:43:43.970 I mean, he's doing a bit of other physical activity 0:43:43.969 --> 0:43:44.420 as well. 0:43:44.420 --> 0:43:45.020 I mean, also, I. 0:43:45.020 --> 0:43:47.870 Think, like we've all seen enough, like police, prosecutors. My 0:43:47.870 --> 0:43:49.880 dad's a criminal lawyer. I've been to work with him. No, 0:43:49.880 --> 0:43:52.250 fucking none of them look like Jake Gyllenhaal. They look 0:43:52.250 --> 0:43:52.969 like Bill camp. 0:43:52.969 --> 0:43:54.710 I love that you brought your dad into it. 0:43:55.340 --> 0:43:57.469 To go back to your point, Mel, about, you know, 0:43:57.469 --> 0:44:00.800 how it compares to the film. I've seen the film. 0:44:00.800 --> 0:44:04.100 I don't know whether or not like it'll resolve itself 0:44:04.100 --> 0:44:06.150 in the same way. And I've got to say, even 0:44:06.150 --> 0:44:08.430 if I've seen the film, I don't like, the show 0:44:08.430 --> 0:44:10.529 has enough going on that I'm still pretty fascinated and 0:44:10.530 --> 0:44:13.950 glued to my seat. One of the most obvious changes 0:44:13.950 --> 0:44:15.780 that I think is a really great change, and you 0:44:15.780 --> 0:44:19.529 probably won't be surprised to hear this. The role of 0:44:19.530 --> 0:44:23.160 Caroline Polhemus, the murdered woman played by Greta Scacchi in 0:44:23.160 --> 0:44:27.480 the film, very reflective of the social attitude towards like 0:44:27.480 --> 0:44:30.610 women in Hollywood in the 90s in the sense that 0:44:30.610 --> 0:44:34.000 she's basically, like, slut shamed for what she's done and 0:44:34.000 --> 0:44:36.759 you don't really feel, I mean, like, you obviously feel 0:44:36.760 --> 0:44:38.379 sorry for her because she's dead, but the film is 0:44:38.380 --> 0:44:41.830 not that sympathetic to her. Whereas I think the character here, 0:44:41.830 --> 0:44:45.370 played by Renate Reinsve, is far more interesting, far more complicated. 0:44:45.370 --> 0:44:47.920 She gets around to like life before you find out 0:44:47.920 --> 0:44:49.900 a lot more about her. And I think that's a 0:44:49.900 --> 0:44:54.010 really smart change that they've made to the show. And 0:44:54.020 --> 0:44:55.460 just the last thing I want to say, I don't 0:44:55.460 --> 0:44:57.680 know how to pronounce his last name. O-T Fagbenle, who 0:44:57.680 --> 0:45:01.190 plays Nico Della Guardia, who's from the, um, he's so good, too. 0:45:01.219 --> 0:45:03.680 He's so good. And he he's English, so he doesn't 0:45:03.680 --> 0:45:06.260 sound like that. So he's doing this thing with, like, 0:45:06.260 --> 0:45:09.260 his chin jutting forward and that kind of like, you know, 0:45:09.260 --> 0:45:12.110 arrogant tone that he has. I would watch an entire 0:45:12.110 --> 0:45:14.780 spin off show, like David E Kelley loves doing spin offs. 0:45:14.780 --> 0:45:17.330 I'd love to see him just being this kind of 0:45:17.330 --> 0:45:21.810 dodgy chief prosecutor. Uh, in, in Chicago, just. 0:45:21.810 --> 0:45:23.310 Bullying Peter Sarsgaard. Those two. 0:45:23.340 --> 0:45:24.060 Together are. 0:45:24.060 --> 0:45:25.529 So they make my skin. 0:45:25.530 --> 0:45:26.610 Crawl, I love it. 0:45:26.940 --> 0:45:29.880 It's. Yeah, it's it's it's it's such a good show. And, um, 0:45:29.880 --> 0:45:34.170 I annoyingly I watched ahead on the screen as which 0:45:34.170 --> 0:45:36.300 we get access to for review purposes, but they don't 0:45:36.300 --> 0:45:38.549 drop the finale until like, the data goes here, which 0:45:38.550 --> 0:45:41.310 is still a month away. So I'm now just like 0:45:41.610 --> 0:45:44.259 kind of stewing on this, but, uh, yeah, that's obviously I. 0:45:44.260 --> 0:45:46.450 Thought about going ahead with the screeners, but I decided 0:45:46.450 --> 0:45:48.219 against that for that reason. I don't want to catch 0:45:48.219 --> 0:45:50.140 up and have to wait a month. But no, I'm 0:45:50.140 --> 0:45:52.120 super hooked. And maybe we should check in again at 0:45:52.120 --> 0:45:54.850 the finale and see if it's delivered. All right, guys, 0:45:54.850 --> 0:45:58.150 before we round out, we've got our regular Impress Your 0:45:58.150 --> 0:46:02.440 Friends segment sharing something we've watched, read, listened to, Consumed 0:46:02.440 --> 0:46:06.100 in culture over the past week. Thomas, why don't you 0:46:06.290 --> 0:46:07.400 go first on this one? 0:46:07.400 --> 0:46:11.390 Yeah. Perfect. Uh, this is another TV show. Uh, I thought, look, 0:46:11.390 --> 0:46:14.719 we all know, uh, the countdown to the Olympics is on. It's, 0:46:14.719 --> 0:46:16.820 I don't know, however many days away. And, you know, 0:46:16.820 --> 0:46:18.680 we've all kind of really gotten into these, like, fly 0:46:18.680 --> 0:46:21.319 on the wall sports documentaries that Netflix has been doing 0:46:21.320 --> 0:46:25.400 breakpoint and, um, like the football ones and the, you know, 0:46:25.400 --> 0:46:28.910 NFL ones and stuff. But this is Sprint on Netflix. Uh, 0:46:29.000 --> 0:46:32.130 it comes out on Friday. It's ten episodes, and I 0:46:32.130 --> 0:46:34.950 found it so fascinating and like, so basically it takes 0:46:34.950 --> 0:46:40.020 you inside the particularly the 100 metre male sprint circuit 0:46:40.020 --> 0:46:42.330 in the year leading up to the Olympic final. Uh, 0:46:42.330 --> 0:46:44.609 and I guess it's always been the blue ribbon event 0:46:44.610 --> 0:46:46.739 for the Olympics. You know, obviously Usain Bolt won it 0:46:46.739 --> 0:46:48.930 three Olympics in a row. It's kind of that one 0:46:48.930 --> 0:46:52.710 event that everyone tunes into. It's like everything to athletics. 0:46:52.710 --> 0:46:55.810 And it follows, I guess, the major contenders. And I 0:46:55.810 --> 0:46:58.239 just found it so interesting to meet these guys. The 0:46:58.239 --> 0:47:01.660 first episode is basically about the Olympic champion, the Italian 0:47:01.660 --> 0:47:04.420 Marcell Jacobs, and then like the next up and comer, 0:47:04.420 --> 0:47:07.210 Noah Lyles, this young American guy. And basically those two 0:47:07.210 --> 0:47:08.680 are going to be like it seems battling it out 0:47:08.680 --> 0:47:10.600 at the Olympics. But it just shows you like what 0:47:10.600 --> 0:47:13.960 goes into the training for this, how insane it is 0:47:13.960 --> 0:47:16.660 to like spend your life basically working on a nine 0:47:16.660 --> 0:47:19.040 second run. It did the exact thing that I want 0:47:19.040 --> 0:47:20.690 a sports documentary to do, which is like give you 0:47:20.690 --> 0:47:23.870 insight into a part of this, I guess, like arena 0:47:23.870 --> 0:47:25.219 that you never really go into or you have no 0:47:25.219 --> 0:47:27.680 interest in. So yeah, that Sprint on Netflix, I really, 0:47:27.680 --> 0:47:28.430 really enjoyed it. 0:47:28.430 --> 0:47:30.740 Great shot. Very excited to watch a bunch of sport 0:47:30.739 --> 0:47:33.140 docos in the lead up to the greatest sporting event 0:47:33.140 --> 0:47:34.100 every four years. 0:47:34.489 --> 0:47:39.230 Mine actually is also a sporting choice. Like if this 0:47:39.230 --> 0:47:41.930 isn't enough reason why we shouldn't be enough to get 0:47:41.930 --> 0:47:44.940 us sent to the Olympics, I don't know what is. 0:47:45.060 --> 0:47:46.740 I reckon that's a long shot. 0:47:46.920 --> 0:47:49.680 Every time I bigger issues in the fire, Mel. Yeah. 0:47:49.680 --> 0:47:52.290 That's true. Still, every time I see the sports editor here, 0:47:52.290 --> 0:47:54.600 I'm like, we're ready to go. Like, we've got our 0:47:54.600 --> 0:47:58.590 bags packed. Um. Uh, mine is the tour de France. 0:47:58.620 --> 0:48:01.020 Oh, thank God someone mentioned this. 0:48:01.620 --> 0:48:03.540 Which I know you're a big fan of. I don't 0:48:03.540 --> 0:48:06.669 think we've quite convinced you, Thomas, yet to get into cycling, 0:48:06.670 --> 0:48:07.630 but I would like to. 0:48:07.630 --> 0:48:09.130 It is very funny. Like whenever we talk in our 0:48:09.130 --> 0:48:11.410 group chat, there's very few things that, like all three 0:48:11.410 --> 0:48:13.750 of us don't like, discuss together. And then whenever you 0:48:13.750 --> 0:48:15.400 guys are talking cycling, have you noticed I just disappear 0:48:15.400 --> 0:48:16.030 for like a day? 0:48:16.030 --> 0:48:16.690 Yeah, yeah. 0:48:16.690 --> 0:48:18.430 I think you and I have a couple of things 0:48:18.430 --> 0:48:20.919 that we just talk that Mel politely ignores, probably for 0:48:20.920 --> 0:48:23.650 like sake of her mental health and sanity. But there 0:48:23.650 --> 0:48:25.300 are not many things that just Mel and I are 0:48:25.300 --> 0:48:27.219 on a track on that you aren't in. And it's 0:48:27.219 --> 0:48:29.500 like Latour is the main one. It is. 0:48:29.500 --> 0:48:29.770 Yeah. 0:48:29.770 --> 0:48:33.780 That's it. It's stage five tonight on SBS. Um, if 0:48:33.780 --> 0:48:37.050 you never watched it, I honestly think you don't have 0:48:37.050 --> 0:48:39.840 to be across the rules because cycling tours can be 0:48:39.840 --> 0:48:45.600 very confusing. There's lots going on. There's a lot of people, teams, strategy, rules, positions. 0:48:45.600 --> 0:48:48.120 I don't even think you need to worry about that. 0:48:48.120 --> 0:48:50.279 You can just turn it on and watch six hours 0:48:50.280 --> 0:48:54.960 of lovely countryside people riding their bikes. Great commentary team 0:48:54.960 --> 0:48:58.469 Matthew Keenan, Bridie O'Donnell, Simon Gerrans this perfect mix of 0:48:58.469 --> 0:49:02.969 kind of medical expertise, cycling expertise, cycling knowledge and just 0:49:02.969 --> 0:49:05.459 enjoy yourself, enjoy the tour. Pets that pop on. That's 0:49:05.460 --> 0:49:08.010 when people send pictures of their pets watching the tour. 0:49:08.010 --> 0:49:12.630 Enjoy the food. It's just delightful. And Thomas, can you 0:49:12.630 --> 0:49:13.350 watch it? 0:49:13.350 --> 0:49:15.330 I couldn't agree more. We should have done a whole 0:49:15.330 --> 0:49:18.400 episode on this like it is amazing to watch. There 0:49:18.400 --> 0:49:21.370 was a bit of the trivia that you get gourmet 0:49:21.400 --> 0:49:24.130 cooking telling you what regional cuisine is like. There was 0:49:24.130 --> 0:49:27.100 this bit where Brady was talking about that, a town 0:49:27.100 --> 0:49:29.650 in Italy, because the tour started this year in Italy, um, 0:49:29.650 --> 0:49:32.020 that they're going through and they're like that building there 0:49:32.020 --> 0:49:34.239 that there was like this helicopter shot. This old museum 0:49:34.239 --> 0:49:38.620 holds the Beretta pistol that was used to shoot Benito Mussolini. Yeah. 0:49:38.620 --> 0:49:41.410 And I'm like, that is awesome. I am just watching 0:49:41.410 --> 0:49:45.040 a bunch of weird men cycle and I'm learning some history. Uh, 0:49:45.040 --> 0:49:47.770 I'm learning some details about the history of Italian fascism. 0:49:47.950 --> 0:49:48.640 That is great. 0:49:48.640 --> 0:49:50.590 Do you feel like, does it relax you? Because it's 0:49:50.590 --> 0:49:52.239 often before bed, and I feel like you guys are 0:49:52.239 --> 0:49:54.819 texting while I'm, like, trying to go to sleep and 0:49:54.820 --> 0:49:56.440 you're like, ah, yeah. And this is like, is it 0:49:56.440 --> 0:49:57.490 a cathartic thing? 0:49:57.489 --> 0:50:00.010 It is. It is very pleasant view. But I also 0:50:00.010 --> 0:50:04.330 really do admire the athleticism of these men competing like 0:50:04.330 --> 0:50:06.250 they go back to back for three weeks. They're covering 0:50:06.250 --> 0:50:09.760 hundreds of kilometers at gradients that are I mean, I 0:50:09.760 --> 0:50:11.560 don't know if you've ever ridden a bike, but gradients 0:50:11.560 --> 0:50:15.760 that are completely insane and they fall off and they 0:50:15.760 --> 0:50:18.610 get sick and they just keep going because they have 0:50:18.610 --> 0:50:22.030 this one opportunity. And their window professionally for competing is 0:50:22.030 --> 0:50:24.730 so small that it really is high stakes. And then 0:50:24.730 --> 0:50:26.590 you kind of wonder, like there's not heaps of money 0:50:26.590 --> 0:50:28.540 in cycling, like it's not a sport. 0:50:28.540 --> 0:50:29.350 That that freaks, that. 0:50:29.350 --> 0:50:32.489 Total freaks they're doing this for. It's just I really 0:50:32.489 --> 0:50:33.540 admire that too. 0:50:33.540 --> 0:50:35.430 I think it's similar to test cricket in a way, 0:50:35.430 --> 0:50:37.620 in that so much of it is just very peaceful 0:50:37.620 --> 0:50:40.260 and meditative to watch, and quite beautiful in terms of 0:50:40.260 --> 0:50:42.990 the aerial shots over the French countryside. But then there 0:50:42.989 --> 0:50:45.030 are these moments that kind of come up out of nowhere, 0:50:45.030 --> 0:50:47.610 where someone will just challenge someone to win a point 0:50:47.610 --> 0:50:49.259 in a sprint or in a climb, and you just 0:50:49.260 --> 0:50:51.900 see something really exciting, and then it just goes back 0:50:51.900 --> 0:50:55.109 to being this relaxing lull of the waves just gently 0:50:55.110 --> 0:50:57.900 crashing over you as you try to go to sleep. 0:50:57.900 --> 0:50:58.590 It's great stuff. 0:50:58.590 --> 0:51:00.870 And also man the field art. So in the tour 0:51:00.870 --> 0:51:03.570 there's a whole thing where like there's everyone in the 0:51:03.570 --> 0:51:07.320 field does like artwork and they're they're insane. Like when 0:51:07.320 --> 0:51:10.500 you see hundreds of tractors going around in a circle 0:51:10.500 --> 0:51:13.680 to make the wheel of a bike, it. Yeah. Look, 0:51:13.680 --> 0:51:15.239 just watch it tonight. We'll text. 0:51:15.239 --> 0:51:15.810 Okay, fine. 0:51:15.810 --> 0:51:17.850 I will give it a go. You have impressed me, 0:51:17.850 --> 0:51:19.390 and I am your friend. So, look, I. 0:51:19.540 --> 0:51:20.380 No doubt. 0:51:20.500 --> 0:51:21.580 Our listeners will get on. 0:51:21.580 --> 0:51:23.410 Board. That's why we called it that. That's why we 0:51:23.410 --> 0:51:27.220 called it that. Um, mine is a TV show. Um, 0:51:27.219 --> 0:51:30.880 you guys remember the film that came out in 1994? 0:51:30.880 --> 0:51:32.770 Interview with the vampire? 0:51:32.770 --> 0:51:33.910 I do, yeah, starring. 0:51:33.910 --> 0:51:39.070 Brad Pitt and Tom cruise. Kirsten Dunst, Christian Slater, based 0:51:39.070 --> 0:51:42.920 on the novels by Anne Rice. Turns out, like, quietly, 0:51:42.920 --> 0:51:44.900 for the last two years, there's been one of the 0:51:44.900 --> 0:51:49.100 best TV series around. That is an adaptation of the 0:51:49.100 --> 0:51:51.620 books as well. It's a TV adaptation compared to a 0:51:51.620 --> 0:51:55.730 film adaptation. It's on ABC iview actually. Interview with a vampire. 0:51:55.760 --> 0:52:01.160 It stars Australia's Sam Reid, also Jacob Anderson. It's really, 0:52:01.160 --> 0:52:04.070 really good. It's not that kind of like True Blood 0:52:04.070 --> 0:52:06.460 Twilight sort of thing. It's a bit darker, a bit 0:52:06.460 --> 0:52:08.830 more interesting. It feels more contemporary in terms of what 0:52:08.830 --> 0:52:11.620 it's trying to grapple with. The books famously have these 0:52:11.620 --> 0:52:17.410 quite sharp, queer themes to them that the film largely eradicated, 0:52:17.410 --> 0:52:20.710 like very, very subtle. They're they're back in this in 0:52:20.710 --> 0:52:25.000 a really interesting and fun and sharp way. And I 0:52:25.000 --> 0:52:27.790 think it reminded me of, like, the Ripley TV adaptation 0:52:27.790 --> 0:52:30.730 in that way, where we had this Ripley film that 0:52:30.730 --> 0:52:33.460 was great, but, you know, softened some of the edges 0:52:33.460 --> 0:52:35.560 of the original source material, and then it takes you 0:52:35.560 --> 0:52:37.900 some time to to delve back into them. Interview with 0:52:37.900 --> 0:52:41.320 a vampire is is doing that. It's sort of like 0:52:41.320 --> 0:52:44.080 going back to the text and picking the bits that 0:52:44.080 --> 0:52:46.600 are interesting, but maybe didn't feel right in the in 0:52:46.600 --> 0:52:48.850 the early to mid 90s. It's just been renewed for 0:52:48.850 --> 0:52:51.640 a third season, but the first two are on iview. 0:52:51.640 --> 0:52:54.190 If you're just looking for something that's like fun and 0:52:54.210 --> 0:52:57.120 interesting and dramatic, give this series a go. Sam Reid 0:52:57.120 --> 0:52:59.580 people might know him from the newsreader. He's really great. 0:52:59.580 --> 0:53:02.640 Great Australian actor. Great in this series. That's my rec. 0:53:02.640 --> 0:53:04.350 That's a good one. Is it scary? 0:53:05.070 --> 0:53:06.480 No, I wouldn't say so. 0:53:06.480 --> 0:53:06.779 Yeah, but. 0:53:06.780 --> 0:53:07.590 You're pretty brave. 0:53:07.620 --> 0:53:09.779 It's like a it's like about vampires, but like a 0:53:09.780 --> 0:53:11.879 horror themed show, you know, it's like American Horror Story. 0:53:11.880 --> 0:53:15.270 It's not going to make you, uh, jump up and be. 0:53:15.270 --> 0:53:17.070 I mean, it might. I don't know about your threshold 0:53:17.070 --> 0:53:17.850 for these things. 0:53:18.690 --> 0:53:19.259 I mean. 0:53:19.260 --> 0:53:21.900 Considering you spent the last six weeks just watching polite. 0:53:21.900 --> 0:53:24.540 Countryside and, you know, tractor art, I. 0:53:24.540 --> 0:53:26.279 Get the heebie jeebies pretty easily. 0:53:26.880 --> 0:53:30.600 Guys, that was a great conversation about a bunch of television. 0:53:30.600 --> 0:53:33.450 Looking forward to your thoughts on the tour, and looking 0:53:33.450 --> 0:53:35.790 forward to chatting with you guys next week about what 0:53:35.790 --> 0:53:39.690 will hopefully be a better and more redeeming second half 0:53:39.690 --> 0:53:40.680 of the bear. 0:53:40.920 --> 0:53:41.550 Looking forward to. 0:53:41.550 --> 0:53:42.270 It. 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