1 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:11,920 S1: Hi everyone. Welcome to the Monday edition of Mark My 2 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:15,880 S1: Words Story time and Your questions. We Love Mondays podcast 3 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:17,880 S1: after a big weekend of footy. Hello, Emily. 4 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:18,680 S2: Hello, Marcus. 5 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:19,400 S1: Hello, piggy. 6 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:20,200 S2: Hello, Levi. 7 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:22,639 S1: Boys, I want to take you back to your football career. 8 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:26,560 S1: First grade football. And I want you in story time 9 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,840 S1: today to let us know the moment in your career 10 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:32,680 S1: where you said, ah, dear, I'm playing first grade, the 11 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:36,440 S1: welcome to first grade moment where you were absolutely rocked 12 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:38,960 S1: by a veteran who gave you yours and what was 13 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:41,159 S1: going through your head while you were looking up at 14 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:43,760 S1: the sky. Uh, we all know the guys who trained 15 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:46,680 S1: the house down, but who was the one teammate who, uh, 16 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:49,240 S1: lived on meat pies, hated the gym, put zero effort 17 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,400 S1: into training, but was completely untouchable on game two. 18 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:53,840 S2: Different topics here. 19 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:56,040 S1: All those different things. So we want we want to 20 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:58,120 S1: know we're going to just have a little. 21 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:00,880 S2: Bit of spitball. You want a spitball? Well, what you're 22 00:01:00,890 --> 00:01:03,730 S2: welcome to first. Well, I played I played my first 23 00:01:03,730 --> 00:01:06,690 S2: grade debut in 87. Was Against the Dogs of War. 24 00:01:06,730 --> 00:01:08,570 S1: Can I interrupt for a sec? Yep. How many people 25 00:01:08,569 --> 00:01:11,130 S1: in rugby league history do you reckon? Probably. Say to 26 00:01:11,130 --> 00:01:13,570 S1: the story. To this day, my welcome to first grade 27 00:01:13,569 --> 00:01:15,490 S1: moment was the day that m g lined me up 28 00:01:15,490 --> 00:01:16,250 S1: and clocked me. 29 00:01:17,250 --> 00:01:19,610 S2: I know two people who. Who said that? Really? Billy 30 00:01:19,610 --> 00:01:21,730 S2: Moore said that? Really? And I think when he said 31 00:01:21,730 --> 00:01:24,170 S2: it as well. Why? Because I played him in Perth 32 00:01:24,170 --> 00:01:27,970 S2: and I said, kick that chubby bloke. But also at 33 00:01:27,970 --> 00:01:29,810 S2: the end of my career, at the start of. Oh yeah. 34 00:01:29,850 --> 00:01:33,209 S2: And like and, you know, things would have changed. But 35 00:01:33,250 --> 00:01:34,050 S2: he was a great competitor. 36 00:01:34,090 --> 00:01:35,010 S1: What was yours? MJ? Sorry. 37 00:01:35,209 --> 00:01:39,170 S2: Um, I played against the Dogs of War. Uh, in 1987. 38 00:01:39,170 --> 00:01:42,730 S2: They had Peter Kelly, Peter Tunks, Billy Johnson, or Mark Bugden, 39 00:01:42,730 --> 00:01:46,450 S2: one of the two. Um, in the second row was Gillespie, 40 00:01:47,970 --> 00:01:51,210 S2: Lang Blacklock. Jeez, they're just the best people in the centers. 41 00:01:51,210 --> 00:01:55,930 S2: I had Farrah and Mortimer. And they were. And you 42 00:01:55,930 --> 00:01:59,530 S2: know what? I got through it unscathed. I thought, that's wow. 43 00:01:59,890 --> 00:02:04,670 S2: Dogs of war. The second game was against Rabbitohs at 44 00:02:04,670 --> 00:02:09,030 S2: Redfern and I got the absolute shit bashed out of me. 45 00:02:09,070 --> 00:02:11,750 S2: Can I guess all of them? Oh really? All of them. 46 00:02:11,790 --> 00:02:16,109 S2: Les Davidson. David Boyle. Boyle. Chisholm. Uh. What was Boyle like? 47 00:02:16,550 --> 00:02:20,790 S2: Full on. Oh, mate. Mate. He was my trainer. I 48 00:02:20,830 --> 00:02:24,030 S2: got bashed, I got bashed, really? And I went, what 49 00:02:24,030 --> 00:02:27,350 S2: the fuck is this game like after playing the first game, 50 00:02:27,389 --> 00:02:28,790 S2: you go because it was a build up. I was 51 00:02:28,790 --> 00:02:32,830 S2: 19 and everyone's going, man, you know, you're you've got 52 00:02:32,830 --> 00:02:34,589 S2: to be careful to put him. Like I was saying 53 00:02:34,590 --> 00:02:37,549 S2: to Tim Sheens, where's your your duty of care with 54 00:02:37,550 --> 00:02:39,829 S2: this this kid playing against the dogs of war man 55 00:02:39,870 --> 00:02:42,510 S2: like and and that was okay. The the worst hit 56 00:02:42,510 --> 00:02:44,150 S2: I got in that game was against Chris Mortimer. He 57 00:02:44,150 --> 00:02:46,230 S2: hit me high and I thought, oh you know. But 58 00:02:46,230 --> 00:02:49,390 S2: then the next week after I'm feeling bulletproof in the 59 00:02:49,389 --> 00:02:51,710 S2: second or third tackle, I got tackled by one of them, 60 00:02:52,510 --> 00:02:54,510 S2: the South Sydney pack. And then they just all laid 61 00:02:54,510 --> 00:02:57,430 S2: into me, really. I played three runs that game. I 62 00:02:57,470 --> 00:03:02,440 S2: shit myself, I went too hard. Fucking fuck. I'm not 63 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:05,040 S2: playing that shit again. Almost. I almost want to give 64 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:08,120 S2: it up. Nah, but I mean, I was, but that's 65 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,200 S2: when you learn a lot. Such a big contrast from 66 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,400 S2: the first week. I'm going. How easy is this? Yeah. 67 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:14,600 S2: You know, I'm getting the papers. I'm. I'm. Yeah. Means 68 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:17,200 S2: you have to ride the old buck, the young, whatever 69 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:19,800 S2: they call them. Yep. Um, and then and then the 70 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:21,600 S2: publicity got to my head and I played the second 71 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,320 S2: week against the Rabbitohs at Redfern Oval and got the 72 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:25,480 S2: best out of me. 73 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:27,480 S1: Alright, can I throw another question at you off the 74 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:30,240 S1: back of that. Yeah. So you're welcome to first grade moment. 75 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:32,560 S1: Do you remember your first grade debut and what were 76 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:34,000 S1: you like in the sheds before kick off? 77 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,720 S2: Um, I of course you remember it. You remember your 78 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:40,000 S2: first grade debut because it only happens once. Um, you 79 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,360 S2: remember I remember being at training thinking that I can't 80 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:45,560 S2: believe I'm playing with these blokes, you know, Alexander and 81 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:50,200 S2: Izzard and um Geoff Gerard um and Roy Simmons and, 82 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:52,520 S2: and you run out on the field and you go, wow, 83 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,840 S2: this is just surreal. Um, and I was always, I 84 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:57,920 S2: was always pretty nervous in the dressing room before a game, 85 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:01,480 S2: no matter what it was. Um, I got worse as 86 00:04:01,500 --> 00:04:05,300 S2: I got older. Because I think you lose. You realize 87 00:04:05,300 --> 00:04:08,100 S2: that you're losing your powers. Um, there's only this kind 88 00:04:08,100 --> 00:04:10,900 S2: of window of 5 or 6 years where you're, you're 89 00:04:10,900 --> 00:04:14,500 S2: in the zone. And when you get outside of that, um, window, 90 00:04:14,500 --> 00:04:16,580 S2: you kind of, you second guess yourself a little bit. 91 00:04:16,620 --> 00:04:18,339 S2: Then you start to think, well, I've got to do 92 00:04:18,339 --> 00:04:21,060 S2: something different. Maybe get pumped up a little bit differently, 93 00:04:21,300 --> 00:04:24,180 S2: try a different drink before a game. Or I got 94 00:04:24,180 --> 00:04:28,500 S2: a vitamin B shot just to, you know, get me going. And, but, um, 95 00:04:28,980 --> 00:04:31,739 S2: I was okay before my debut because I was surrounded 96 00:04:31,740 --> 00:04:34,420 S2: by guys who I knew would look after me. But 97 00:04:34,460 --> 00:04:36,740 S2: as I got older, the more you play first grade, 98 00:04:36,740 --> 00:04:39,099 S2: the more you know how hard this game is and 99 00:04:39,100 --> 00:04:40,820 S2: the more nerves. You know, I was never one of 100 00:04:40,820 --> 00:04:43,740 S2: them guys. I could never play. Every time I play 101 00:04:43,740 --> 00:04:45,500 S2: a night game, I could never sleep through the day. 102 00:04:46,020 --> 00:04:49,140 S2: Really never ever, ever slept right. And I never played 103 00:04:49,140 --> 00:04:52,779 S2: many night games besides origin or not even semi semis 104 00:04:52,779 --> 00:04:55,380 S2: were always 3:00. Yeah. So most of my games at 105 00:04:55,380 --> 00:04:59,060 S2: 3 p.m., um, on a Saturday or Sunday. Yeah. But 106 00:04:59,060 --> 00:05:03,750 S2: when I come back from Perth in 1987, played for Penrith, 107 00:05:03,750 --> 00:05:04,990 S2: who were playing a lot of night games, you know, 108 00:05:05,029 --> 00:05:09,270 S2: and I remember me and Tony were roommates. Tony. Yeah. 109 00:05:09,589 --> 00:05:12,910 S2: And he'd be snoring and I'm there going, oh fuck. 110 00:05:13,750 --> 00:05:16,110 S2: For three hours man. I'm just nervous energy was that. 111 00:05:16,589 --> 00:05:19,510 S2: But yeah, it just changes. But no, I wasn't that nervous. 112 00:05:19,510 --> 00:05:20,630 S1: I yeah, right. 113 00:05:20,670 --> 00:05:22,710 S2: I love I was, I was I was nervous when 114 00:05:22,710 --> 00:05:25,390 S2: Marvin made his first grade debut. Were you oh my goodness. 115 00:05:25,430 --> 00:05:27,390 S1: Because you I remember you. I remember seeing a clip. 116 00:05:27,390 --> 00:05:29,550 S1: You got pretty emotional talking about like when he first 117 00:05:29,550 --> 00:05:31,390 S1: got named to make his debut. Yeah. So what were 118 00:05:31,390 --> 00:05:33,470 S1: you like when he made what? Just watching on in 119 00:05:33,470 --> 00:05:34,229 S1: the stands and everything. 120 00:05:34,270 --> 00:05:36,150 S2: Yeah, we drove down. We got we got bus fulls 121 00:05:36,150 --> 00:05:38,070 S2: and we had shirts on and we had family members. 122 00:05:38,070 --> 00:05:41,669 S2: We had friends. And I kind of rocked up to 123 00:05:41,670 --> 00:05:45,790 S2: the game thinking, this is happening. Like my baby, you know, he's, 124 00:05:45,790 --> 00:05:50,229 S2: he's my youngest boy who's, he's playing first grade. And 125 00:05:50,230 --> 00:05:52,309 S2: you see so many of it happened to other mates 126 00:05:52,310 --> 00:05:55,150 S2: of yours and ex teammates, ex ex opponents. And when 127 00:05:55,150 --> 00:05:56,830 S2: it happens to you, it's just all surreal. 128 00:05:56,870 --> 00:05:58,430 S1: Were you a blubbering mess on game day? 129 00:05:58,750 --> 00:06:03,239 S2: You would have been for sure, I remember I, we 130 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,920 S2: met at the Point Tavern, had about six beers. Calm 131 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,400 S2: you down. Yeah. But then I had like. Then we 132 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,039 S2: got stuck in traffic. I had to go to the toilet. 133 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,000 S2: There was a bin on the on the bus, so 134 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:14,039 S2: I had to straight in. 135 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:15,720 S1: Yes. 136 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,440 S2: And my wife's going, you dirty bastard! What are you doing? 137 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:20,880 S1: Did you get to give him give him a big 138 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:21,960 S1: hug at the at full time? 139 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:23,880 S2: Well, um. Ivan, let us in the dressing room after 140 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,360 S2: the game. Oh, yeah. We got a photo at home. Um, 141 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:29,159 S2: with all. All of us around. Yeah. It was. That's unreal. 142 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,560 S1: I remember, I remember when K Dik Diks made his 143 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:33,840 S1: debut and I remember him walking to the, I think 144 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,000 S1: it was the northern end of Shark Park and his 145 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,800 S1: dad was there. His grandfather was there who also played 146 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:40,960 S1: and his two brothers. And they were all just blubbering. 147 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:41,520 S2: That's so good. 148 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,360 S1: That's so beautiful. Yeah. And just like on the topic 149 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:46,160 S1: of the debut, you know what I love about the 150 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:49,360 S1: modern day, um, access we have to plays when they 151 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,640 S1: film the coach telling them they're going to make their 152 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,240 S1: debut and ringing the parents. That's so good to see. 153 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:54,880 S2: I love it. 154 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:55,320 S1: So good. 155 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:57,719 S2: It's a great insight, isn't it? Yeah. So good to see. 156 00:06:57,760 --> 00:06:58,400 S2: It's unreal. 157 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:00,080 S1: All right Peg, your turn to shine. 158 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,340 S2: Um, first grade debut. 159 00:07:02,420 --> 00:07:02,780 S1: Mhm. 160 00:07:03,460 --> 00:07:06,900 S2: I got 27 minutes off the bench playing at Shark 161 00:07:06,900 --> 00:07:10,980 S2: Park again. I was playing for the Dragons. Um, there 162 00:07:10,980 --> 00:07:13,100 S2: was none of the stuff that we've just spoken about. 163 00:07:13,140 --> 00:07:15,900 S2: Like I literally my mum and dad got two tickets 164 00:07:15,900 --> 00:07:19,220 S2: behind the goalpost because it was an away game and like, 165 00:07:19,220 --> 00:07:22,020 S2: nothing was done. It wasn't. Yeah. No, I'm not trying 166 00:07:22,020 --> 00:07:24,860 S2: to say like it wasn't special. Does that. Yeah. It 167 00:07:24,860 --> 00:07:28,060 S2: was special for me, but it wasn't like the big extravaganza. 168 00:07:28,100 --> 00:07:30,660 S2: There is these days when kids and obviously there's a 169 00:07:30,660 --> 00:07:32,740 S2: lot more to do because of social media and all 170 00:07:32,740 --> 00:07:35,620 S2: those sorts of things. But I just remember Andrew Farah 171 00:07:35,660 --> 00:07:37,780 S2: because it was round one. Andrew Farah told me a 172 00:07:37,780 --> 00:07:40,900 S2: week and a half before the game that I was 173 00:07:40,900 --> 00:07:42,340 S2: going to play. He's like, mate, you're going to make 174 00:07:42,340 --> 00:07:44,540 S2: your debut. I'm going to play off the bench. And 175 00:07:44,540 --> 00:07:48,180 S2: I was nowhere near playing. It was Nathan Brown. I 176 00:07:48,180 --> 00:07:51,100 S2: don't know if you remember the story. Nathan Brown hurt 177 00:07:51,100 --> 00:07:54,420 S2: his neck and never played again after he was hurt. 178 00:07:54,460 --> 00:07:59,020 S2: 2001 in a trial against the Bulldogs at the Showground. And, um. 179 00:07:59,060 --> 00:08:01,540 S2: And then Andrew Farah the next few days, once browny 180 00:08:01,580 --> 00:08:03,150 S2: found out that out he'd never play again. Came and 181 00:08:03,150 --> 00:08:04,990 S2: grabbed me and said, mate, you're going to be my 182 00:08:04,990 --> 00:08:07,510 S2: next hooker. You're going to make your debut. So I 183 00:08:07,510 --> 00:08:11,870 S2: ended up getting 27 minutes. Well against the Sharkies scored 184 00:08:11,870 --> 00:08:12,590 S2: two tries. 185 00:08:12,910 --> 00:08:13,150 S1: On. 186 00:08:13,150 --> 00:08:16,350 S2: Debut. Yeah. Stop it. Yeah. Shit. I ran about a 187 00:08:16,350 --> 00:08:17,190 S2: meter for both. 188 00:08:17,430 --> 00:08:20,390 S1: Just like you were famous for the piggy bank. 189 00:08:20,430 --> 00:08:24,470 S2: For the little barge over scoring your career. Uh, 30, 40, 190 00:08:24,510 --> 00:08:27,990 S2: 40 or 50? Yeah, 40. 50. Very hard to stop 191 00:08:27,990 --> 00:08:29,750 S2: from a meter out. But but, you know, when you 192 00:08:29,750 --> 00:08:32,069 S2: were just telling your story about your first week, it 193 00:08:32,070 --> 00:08:34,590 S2: was so similar to what happened to me because as 194 00:08:34,590 --> 00:08:36,870 S2: I just said, you came on 27 minutes. We beat 195 00:08:36,870 --> 00:08:40,870 S2: the sharks pretty convincingly. So same thing. Go back in 196 00:08:40,910 --> 00:08:46,990 S2: the Shark Park, reporters everywhere, two stories. You're thinking you're 197 00:08:47,150 --> 00:08:49,190 S2: all that. And then I think it was a few 198 00:08:49,190 --> 00:08:53,190 S2: weeks later we played the Broncos at the um. It 199 00:08:53,190 --> 00:08:56,589 S2: was called ANZ Stadium. Remember the one with the athletics track? 200 00:08:56,630 --> 00:09:01,910 S2: I hated that place. Yeah. And I'm like Lockyer sailor 201 00:09:02,010 --> 00:09:05,530 S2: to Kiri on the wings like mate if you went 202 00:09:05,530 --> 00:09:10,770 S2: through like talus. Tony Carroll, Web seven as ever. Like 203 00:09:11,170 --> 00:09:14,170 S2: just star studded. Well, they won the comp in 2000 204 00:09:14,370 --> 00:09:17,689 S2: and I was playing them in 2001. And I remember 205 00:09:18,010 --> 00:09:22,170 S2: running the ball getting like the smashed out of me, 206 00:09:22,210 --> 00:09:25,209 S2: playing it and just going, what the fuck am I 207 00:09:25,210 --> 00:09:27,930 S2: doing here? I know, and I saw all those guys 208 00:09:27,970 --> 00:09:32,410 S2: in the defensive line and I'm just like, no, no, no, 209 00:09:33,850 --> 00:09:38,209 S2: I shouldn't be. Isn't it funny how when you were 210 00:09:38,210 --> 00:09:41,210 S2: saying it, I was like reliving the exact same moments? 211 00:09:41,210 --> 00:09:43,850 S2: It wasn't the second or third game. Forget when it was, 212 00:09:43,850 --> 00:09:45,650 S2: but it was early in the year and I was like, 213 00:09:46,050 --> 00:09:48,089 S2: I shouldn't be with these guys. Like, these are men. 214 00:09:48,130 --> 00:09:50,890 S2: I'm just a boy. And, um, and that was it 215 00:09:50,890 --> 00:09:53,610 S2: really that that was my welcome to first grade moment 216 00:09:53,610 --> 00:09:55,650 S2: when I was like, Holy shit. 217 00:09:55,809 --> 00:09:58,490 S1: It's funny you say that. Like I, we called the 218 00:09:58,610 --> 00:10:01,970 S1: Souths game last Friday, the two Fridays ago because we're 219 00:10:01,970 --> 00:10:05,260 S1: we're obviously this comes out on the Monday. Um, I 220 00:10:05,500 --> 00:10:09,420 S1: remember Ashton Ward arrived for Souths and I remember looking 221 00:10:09,420 --> 00:10:12,260 S1: through the binoculars going, this, that can't be a player like. 222 00:10:12,300 --> 00:10:14,900 S1: But it had all the suit. Oh that's Ashton. Yeah mate. 223 00:10:14,940 --> 00:10:15,740 S1: There's nothing of. 224 00:10:15,740 --> 00:10:16,699 S2: Him of it. Yeah. 225 00:10:16,740 --> 00:10:20,020 S1: Like these these little blokes that are nothing of them 226 00:10:20,220 --> 00:10:23,900 S1: that go out there and play in the NRL these days. Unbelievable. 227 00:10:23,940 --> 00:10:24,140 S2: Yeah. 228 00:10:24,140 --> 00:10:26,580 S3: The game is the game has morphed. Um we used 229 00:10:26,580 --> 00:10:28,580 S3: to be at school games you know we used to 230 00:10:28,580 --> 00:10:31,620 S3: look forward to a game of footy after school and 231 00:10:31,620 --> 00:10:33,540 S3: we'd all be in the in science lab doing our 232 00:10:33,540 --> 00:10:35,620 S3: roll call. And the bus would turn up and they'd 233 00:10:35,620 --> 00:10:38,060 S3: get off the bus, the opposing team, and you go, well, 234 00:10:38,059 --> 00:10:40,540 S3: there's their front rowers. Oh yeah, there's their half. 235 00:10:40,580 --> 00:10:40,980 S2: Yeah. 236 00:10:41,620 --> 00:10:44,500 S3: He looks like a five eight or wing. But now 237 00:10:44,900 --> 00:10:46,940 S3: that team gives off the bus. You go, who's the 238 00:10:46,980 --> 00:10:49,740 S3: front row or second row or centre? They're like five 239 00:10:49,740 --> 00:10:51,059 S3: eights these days. A six foot four. 240 00:10:51,100 --> 00:10:51,580 S2: Yeah. 241 00:10:51,620 --> 00:10:54,720 S3: Halfbacks are six foot three. Yeah. Wingers are either 7 242 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:58,100 S3: foot or 5 foot one. Like it's just the game. 243 00:10:58,140 --> 00:10:59,220 S2: They're all 100 kilos. 244 00:10:59,220 --> 00:11:01,380 S3: And they're all winners. And the good thing about our 245 00:11:01,380 --> 00:11:03,790 S3: game is that no matter how big you are or 246 00:11:03,790 --> 00:11:06,829 S3: how small you are, there's a there's a spot for 247 00:11:06,830 --> 00:11:07,630 S3: you somewhere. Yeah. 248 00:11:07,670 --> 00:11:11,790 S1: Who's the who's the scariest bloke in the National Rugby 249 00:11:11,790 --> 00:11:13,470 S1: League at the moment that you wouldn't want to tackle 250 00:11:13,470 --> 00:11:17,189 S1: or come up against because I've got mine. Spencer Leniu. 251 00:11:18,350 --> 00:11:19,510 S2: Fisher-harris for me. 252 00:11:20,270 --> 00:11:21,470 S3: I'd say Payne Haas. 253 00:11:21,790 --> 00:11:22,150 S2: Yeah. 254 00:11:22,309 --> 00:11:25,190 S3: Payne Haas just the just the way he runs beast. 255 00:11:25,230 --> 00:11:27,350 S3: Even all the way Stéfano played the other night. Stéfano 256 00:11:27,390 --> 00:11:31,350 S3: you took him on. Yeah. Like but you know, there's 257 00:11:31,350 --> 00:11:32,189 S3: not many you know. 258 00:11:32,230 --> 00:11:34,550 S2: Yeah. You'd still take him on. I know that you're. 259 00:11:34,590 --> 00:11:36,910 S2: I know what you're thinking. You're thinking I'd still take 260 00:11:36,910 --> 00:11:39,829 S2: him on. Just won't go down swinging. One set. 261 00:11:41,790 --> 00:11:44,910 S3: One set one more set of defence. One more of 262 00:11:44,910 --> 00:11:46,950 S3: attack just to get out of my system. 263 00:11:46,950 --> 00:11:48,150 S2: No d no d. 264 00:11:48,309 --> 00:11:49,270 S1: Just that other. 265 00:11:49,309 --> 00:11:49,550 S3: That. 266 00:11:50,030 --> 00:11:51,870 S1: That other point that I raised. 267 00:11:51,910 --> 00:11:52,309 S2: Yeah. 268 00:11:52,550 --> 00:11:54,510 S1: Did you, did you play with or against any of 269 00:11:54,510 --> 00:11:57,189 S1: the blokes who sort of didn't. Well I know. 270 00:11:57,470 --> 00:12:00,430 S3: See we played in an era where we, our coaches 271 00:12:00,429 --> 00:12:02,929 S3: would encourage us to go to the pub on a Thursday. Yeah. 272 00:12:02,970 --> 00:12:03,970 S3: You know, um. 273 00:12:04,210 --> 00:12:06,490 S1: But like bad, bad trainers, drinkers, smokers. 274 00:12:06,770 --> 00:12:10,770 S3: But but everyone, everyone, I wasn't professional professional. So they 275 00:12:10,770 --> 00:12:13,250 S3: all worked. So but I'll tell you a guy who 276 00:12:13,290 --> 00:12:16,170 S3: you wouldn't expect in the off season when we used 277 00:12:16,170 --> 00:12:18,730 S3: to go party, um, this guy could party with the 278 00:12:18,730 --> 00:12:22,730 S3: best of them and then be the last one up 279 00:12:22,730 --> 00:12:24,690 S3: drinking and, you know, back at his house usually, and 280 00:12:24,690 --> 00:12:27,010 S3: he'd be sweeping the floors to keep us out. And 281 00:12:27,010 --> 00:12:28,370 S3: then we'd go into a time trial the next day 282 00:12:28,370 --> 00:12:31,729 S3: and he'd break club records. It was Brandy, really. Brandy 283 00:12:31,730 --> 00:12:34,770 S3: was a freak of nature. Yeah, like just the way, 284 00:12:34,809 --> 00:12:38,690 S3: like we do a 2.5 time trial, um, every, every 285 00:12:38,690 --> 00:12:40,450 S3: off season. And sometimes we do it 4 or 5 286 00:12:40,450 --> 00:12:42,410 S3: times just to make sure everyone's at the same. I 287 00:12:42,410 --> 00:12:44,570 S3: think backs had to beat nine minutes, forwards had to 288 00:12:44,610 --> 00:12:48,650 S3: beat ten. Um and Brandy would do he, we'd be 289 00:12:48,650 --> 00:12:50,930 S3: out all night that you know, I think one one 290 00:12:50,929 --> 00:12:54,130 S3: year we, we trained um was it New Year's Eve 291 00:12:54,170 --> 00:12:56,970 S3: maybe we know we trained New Year's Day and he 292 00:12:56,970 --> 00:12:58,290 S3: was out New Year's Eve. We were out together, New 293 00:12:58,290 --> 00:13:00,449 S3: Year's Eve and we're all partying and I don't think 294 00:13:00,450 --> 00:13:02,650 S3: we even slept. We just, you know, and we went 295 00:13:02,700 --> 00:13:06,500 S3: and done a time trial at the Hale Oval Cricket Oval, 296 00:13:06,900 --> 00:13:10,980 S3: 2.56 laps of that. He done bare feet. He done 297 00:13:10,980 --> 00:13:15,060 S3: in bare feet. No lap blokes. Look at this fucker. 298 00:13:15,100 --> 00:13:16,260 S2: He's been out all night. 299 00:13:17,140 --> 00:13:19,300 S3: The other guys were saying I'm going. Yeah, this fucking 300 00:13:20,620 --> 00:13:23,900 S3: ten minutes behind him. Like just a freak of nature. 301 00:13:23,900 --> 00:13:26,860 S3: Like he's just a. And like he. But like, through 302 00:13:26,860 --> 00:13:28,740 S3: the season, you'd never see him. You know, he'd be 303 00:13:28,780 --> 00:13:32,380 S3: he's one of the most dedicated players you would see. But, um, yeah, 304 00:13:32,420 --> 00:13:34,260 S3: he was, he was a brand new breed. I was 305 00:13:34,300 --> 00:13:35,100 S3: a freak man. 306 00:13:35,140 --> 00:13:37,300 S1: You know, the, the, the best I've seen that loves 307 00:13:37,300 --> 00:13:39,300 S1: a party and there's like more fat on a chip. 308 00:13:39,660 --> 00:13:41,020 S1: Your mate Anthony Minichiello. 309 00:13:41,059 --> 00:13:44,060 S2: Oh, yeah. But he's very selective. Like, wow. 310 00:13:44,100 --> 00:13:45,260 S3: He is brand. 311 00:13:45,260 --> 00:13:47,300 S2: New seven days a week. He's good, good, good. And 312 00:13:47,300 --> 00:13:48,380 S2: then he might have one. 313 00:13:48,740 --> 00:13:50,140 S1: Oh, when he lets his hair down. 314 00:13:50,700 --> 00:13:52,780 S2: Don't worry. I've been with him on many occasions over 315 00:13:52,780 --> 00:13:53,100 S2: the years. 316 00:13:53,140 --> 00:13:57,860 S1: Gold coast, every, every every December. No. Every November least. Clubs. Australia. Conference. 317 00:13:57,900 --> 00:13:59,500 S1: Levi we're going out tonight. I said, mate, I got 318 00:13:59,500 --> 00:14:02,220 S1: MC the whole thing, mate. He'll end up, he'll come 319 00:14:02,220 --> 00:14:03,920 S1: and sit with me at breakfast. I said, have you 320 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:05,040 S1: been to bed? Nope. Nope. 321 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:07,320 S3: Well, that's good, that's good. 322 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,800 S2: Uh, I've got I've got a story for you. This is, uh. 323 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:15,640 S2: When did this happen? 2002. 2003. I got stitched up 324 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:20,880 S2: big time. Right. So, um, back then, in the early 2000, 325 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:22,960 S2: they used to name Australian Train on squad and it'd 326 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:24,680 S2: be about 40 or 50. 327 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:25,680 S3: So at the end of the season, you. 328 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:27,640 S2: Mean in the season. Yeah. And it'd be like, you know, 329 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:30,080 S2: each week as you got knocked out. Yeah. I got, 330 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:34,040 S2: I got named in one of those train on squads. Right. So, 331 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:38,239 S2: you know, obviously the usual blokes were there. Barrett, Gasnier, 332 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:43,280 S2: Riles Cooper yep. Cam Timmons, Brisbane boys. But but for 333 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:46,040 S2: the Dragons. Oh, sorry. Sorry. That was when I was there. Yeah. 334 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:48,880 S2: All those blokes all been in. I'd never been in 335 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,280 S2: anything like that. Got named in the train on squad. 336 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:54,600 S2: So I get told that we got a meet and greet. 337 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,080 S2: I think it might have been on a Friday morning. Right. 338 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,440 S2: For for training. But just a meet and greet won't 339 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:02,920 S2: be out on the Thursday night news. Will remember this 340 00:15:03,370 --> 00:15:06,610 S2: The Thursday night was the Footy Show reviews. Remember they 341 00:15:06,610 --> 00:15:08,650 S2: used to do them. Where you going? I did some 342 00:15:08,650 --> 00:15:14,130 S2: of the players perform. Yeah everything like that. So riles Gasnier, 343 00:15:14,170 --> 00:15:18,850 S2: Riddell were in the Beatles. Pretty sure it's the Beatles, right? Um, 344 00:15:19,410 --> 00:15:21,890 S2: and we've performed on the Saturday night and then there's 345 00:15:21,930 --> 00:15:23,170 S2: obviously an after party. 346 00:15:23,210 --> 00:15:23,650 S3: Yep. 347 00:15:23,890 --> 00:15:26,130 S2: So everyone gets on, you know what they're like. Everyone 348 00:15:26,130 --> 00:15:29,010 S2: has a drink before it, like there's a practice in 349 00:15:29,010 --> 00:15:30,930 S2: the afternoon and then you do it on that night. 350 00:15:31,290 --> 00:15:34,290 S2: Everyone's on the drink and I'm saying to the boys, boys, 351 00:15:34,650 --> 00:15:37,850 S2: I can't, I can't have a drink like. And Gaz 352 00:15:37,850 --> 00:15:40,650 S2: and Rosie like, nah, nah, you'll be sweet, mate. You'll 353 00:15:40,650 --> 00:15:44,170 S2: be sweet. Like it'll be fine. So anyway, we go 354 00:15:44,170 --> 00:15:48,210 S2: out all night like massive one. I turn up to 355 00:15:48,250 --> 00:15:53,330 S2: Sydney football Stadium, hung like, hung like you wouldn't believe. 356 00:15:53,410 --> 00:15:57,010 S2: With Gazz and Rosie in the car. We carpooled together 357 00:15:57,010 --> 00:16:00,010 S2: from Saint George Leagues club. So I get there and 358 00:16:00,010 --> 00:16:03,710 S2: find out we're training what. We're getting flogged And I'm 359 00:16:03,710 --> 00:16:07,710 S2: just going, oh no. Chris Anderson. Oops. Chris Anderson was 360 00:16:07,710 --> 00:16:12,550 S2: the coach, right? So I look around at old mate 361 00:16:12,550 --> 00:16:15,790 S2: Rials and Ghazni and I'm going, you bastard, got me 362 00:16:15,790 --> 00:16:19,470 S2: a beauty here. So, rials, he's got a part injury 363 00:16:19,470 --> 00:16:22,310 S2: that I don't even know about. He goes into the gym, 364 00:16:22,310 --> 00:16:25,630 S2: starts getting on the rower. Gas is one of those 365 00:16:25,630 --> 00:16:28,390 S2: blokes that's an absolute freak like brandy that could go 366 00:16:28,390 --> 00:16:30,270 S2: out on I and then just train the house down. 367 00:16:30,630 --> 00:16:37,750 S2: Poor old pig. Right. Poor old. I was horrendous, right. 368 00:16:37,990 --> 00:16:42,270 S2: It hasn't. It doesn't finish yet. I was horrendous like 369 00:16:42,470 --> 00:16:45,070 S2: and we're doing these um we did a couple of 370 00:16:45,070 --> 00:16:47,990 S2: laps around the footy stadium warm up, throw the footy around. 371 00:16:47,990 --> 00:16:49,430 S2: I'm thinking fuck, I'm going to get through this. I'm 372 00:16:49,430 --> 00:16:51,070 S2: gonna get through it. Then we went out the back. 373 00:16:51,070 --> 00:16:54,110 S2: Do you remember where the indoor the outdoor cricket nets were? 374 00:16:54,150 --> 00:16:56,070 S2: And I think they're still there. Yeah. Then we went 375 00:16:56,070 --> 00:16:56,750 S2: out there for a bit. 376 00:16:57,270 --> 00:16:57,550 S3: Near the. 377 00:16:58,110 --> 00:16:58,510 S2: SCG. 378 00:16:58,550 --> 00:16:58,830 S3: Yeah. 379 00:16:59,070 --> 00:17:02,390 S2: We go out there and I go, oh shit. All 380 00:17:02,390 --> 00:17:02,790 S2: the cones. 381 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:03,520 S3: Which is that. 382 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,919 S2: Kinds of set up tackle bags. So we had to 383 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:09,600 S2: do these Malcolm's, which are like the get downs, get ups, 384 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:11,239 S2: and they got to tackle a bag and you do 385 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,080 S2: one for one, two for two. I'm going through doing 386 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:19,120 S2: it anyway. Arses hanging out. I'm awful horrendous. Everything finishes 387 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:22,000 S2: wraps up about an hour right all the boy. There's 388 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:24,280 S2: a heap of boys there. I can't remember who exactly, 389 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:27,719 S2: but Hopper was there and Hopper walks over to me 390 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:31,040 S2: as we're walking off. He goes, hey, pig! Okay, yeah, Hopper. 391 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:34,480 S2: He goes, you can train with me whenever you want. 392 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:37,640 S2: And I go, why? He goes, you're the first person 393 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:48,840 S2: I've ever fucking beaten. I was like, oh no! Eddie 394 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:53,160 S2: Chundering oh no, no, I was horrendous. 395 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:56,440 S3: Oh, that's a great story. Oh, that's a great story. 396 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:00,040 S1: Let's get into the questions. Todd's first up. Is it 397 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,960 S1: better to tie up $1.2 million in an elite game 398 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:06,490 S1: managing halfback or spread that money evenly across a dominant 399 00:18:06,530 --> 00:18:08,129 S1: top tier forward pack. Gentlemen. 400 00:18:08,570 --> 00:18:08,970 S2: Um. 401 00:18:09,330 --> 00:18:10,369 S3: You know more about this than me. 402 00:18:10,410 --> 00:18:13,889 S2: I'd rather spend it on a $1.2 million elite game 403 00:18:13,890 --> 00:18:16,650 S2: managing halfback one, because I don't think there's many around. 404 00:18:16,930 --> 00:18:19,090 S2: And two, I don't think you're going to get a 405 00:18:19,770 --> 00:18:22,330 S2: top tier dominant forward pack for 1.2 million. 406 00:18:22,369 --> 00:18:22,729 S3: No. 407 00:18:22,850 --> 00:18:25,650 S2: Um on. Yeah you're right. 408 00:18:26,090 --> 00:18:29,689 S3: You're right. If there's a $1.2 million halfback on the market, 409 00:18:29,690 --> 00:18:30,890 S3: you're getting you got to get him. Yeah. 410 00:18:30,930 --> 00:18:32,570 S2: And you work something out after that. 411 00:18:33,130 --> 00:18:33,970 S3: You build around him. 412 00:18:34,010 --> 00:18:35,690 S2: Yeah. There's there's not many around. 413 00:18:35,690 --> 00:18:38,370 S1: Thank you Todd. Phil, uh, asked the question how much 414 00:18:38,369 --> 00:18:41,250 S1: value does a club legend veteran actually bring to a 415 00:18:41,250 --> 00:18:43,609 S1: young squad if their physical prime is behind them? 416 00:18:44,050 --> 00:18:47,210 S3: Oh, it's immense. Everything. I think if you if you 417 00:18:47,210 --> 00:18:51,810 S3: respect the position you're in, that club legend will be 418 00:18:52,130 --> 00:18:56,010 S3: paramount to your success because not only is he playing 419 00:18:56,010 --> 00:18:57,609 S3: in the same team as you, he's been there and 420 00:18:57,609 --> 00:19:00,290 S3: done it for a long time. And the reason he 421 00:19:00,290 --> 00:19:03,490 S3: is a, um, a legend of the club is because he's, 422 00:19:03,830 --> 00:19:06,790 S3: been the exact same position you've been in. So the 423 00:19:06,790 --> 00:19:10,150 S3: respect that bloke to the fucking end of the world. 424 00:19:10,350 --> 00:19:12,869 S2: Yeah. And they if they're setting the standards for the 425 00:19:12,869 --> 00:19:16,070 S2: team and the club's going well and everything, they're so valuable. 426 00:19:16,109 --> 00:19:19,109 S2: Sometimes they're more valuable for what they contribute off the. 427 00:19:19,270 --> 00:19:19,790 S3: Off the field. 428 00:19:19,830 --> 00:19:23,270 S2: In the club standards and expectations of the team than 429 00:19:23,270 --> 00:19:24,949 S2: what you actually need them for on the field. 430 00:19:25,190 --> 00:19:28,750 S1: Some good questions. Kate's next. Who is the most polarizing 431 00:19:28,750 --> 00:19:31,149 S1: player in the game right now? And do they actually 432 00:19:31,150 --> 00:19:33,270 S1: deserve the criticism they get from the media? 433 00:19:34,310 --> 00:19:37,070 S3: Polarizing. Polarizing. Polarizing. 434 00:19:37,550 --> 00:19:39,310 S2: What would you put Jerome in that class? 435 00:19:39,310 --> 00:19:40,230 S3: Jerome would be in there. 436 00:19:40,230 --> 00:19:43,150 S2: But I but I personally don't think he's polarizing. I love, 437 00:19:43,150 --> 00:19:43,670 S2: I love. 438 00:19:43,710 --> 00:19:44,429 S3: I love Jerome. 439 00:19:44,470 --> 00:19:46,629 S2: I'm I love him, I always have, I think he's 440 00:19:46,670 --> 00:19:48,709 S2: a lovely fella and I can't wait for him to. 441 00:19:48,750 --> 00:19:50,070 S3: Bruce Walsh is polarizing. 442 00:19:50,670 --> 00:19:51,110 S2: But again. 443 00:19:51,190 --> 00:19:51,510 S3: I love. 444 00:19:51,510 --> 00:19:54,510 S2: Him. I don't know Reece Walsh, but I've interviewed him 445 00:19:54,510 --> 00:19:57,109 S2: over the years and I think he's a great fella. 446 00:19:57,109 --> 00:19:58,990 S2: And then I see on social media him and his 447 00:19:58,990 --> 00:19:59,950 S2: daughter and everything. 448 00:20:00,030 --> 00:20:00,830 S3: Yeah, yeah. 449 00:20:00,990 --> 00:20:03,270 S2: I think he must be a lovely fella, a great fella. 450 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:05,920 S2: It's hard, isn't it? I hate that polarizing. 451 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:09,440 S3: Well it is. Well, like. And I think it's when, uh, 452 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:11,720 S3: I remember it's the right for rugby league week. And 453 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,000 S3: they used to do a, a poll each year about 454 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:15,480 S3: who's the most overrated player. 455 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:16,440 S2: Did you write it? 456 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:17,360 S3: No, I didn't. 457 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:19,040 S1: Write. 458 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:20,320 S3: The poll. 459 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,880 S2: No, I mean. Oh the articles. 460 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:24,320 S3: No I didn't. I wrote a. 461 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,760 S2: Few. The old ghost ones. Yeah. Ghost writers. 462 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:30,520 S3: I, um. Yeah. The polarizing player. I was yeah. 463 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,040 S1: I got a polarizing person. Who. Michael McGuire. 464 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:35,840 S2: Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Imagine you could put. 465 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:37,160 S3: So I love him. 466 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:37,840 S2: I love Madge. 467 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,359 S3: All these all these guys were polarizing. I, I, I 468 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:41,000 S3: love him. 469 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,040 S2: It seems that all these guys are polarizing are all 470 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:44,120 S2: very successful as well. 471 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:45,920 S3: Yeah. And that's why they're polarizing, I suppose. 472 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:46,840 S1: Don't be successful. 473 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:50,000 S3: Like, I mean, um, uh, Zac Lomax is polarizing. 474 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:50,480 S2: Yeah. 475 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:51,080 S3: Mhm. 476 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:52,920 S1: Yeah. 477 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:54,520 S2: He went quiet. 478 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:55,840 S1: PNG. What? Uh. Anyway. 479 00:20:55,880 --> 00:21:01,360 S2: Yeah. Get him up. I've nearly finished this baby. He's 480 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,600 S2: just finished his 9 to 12. 481 00:21:03,700 --> 00:21:06,460 S1: Yeah, it's a great show today too. James, when is 482 00:21:06,460 --> 00:21:09,139 S1: it time for a club to admit a rebuild has failed? 483 00:21:09,140 --> 00:21:11,300 S1: Exactly how many seasons do you give a coach before 484 00:21:11,300 --> 00:21:13,940 S1: you pull the pin? Well, given the Dragons NRL w 485 00:21:13,980 --> 00:21:15,500 S1: side is struggling. Piggy your thoughts? 486 00:21:15,700 --> 00:21:20,340 S2: Yeah, we're in a five year plan at the moment. 677667. 487 00:21:20,460 --> 00:21:21,100 S1: Make it ten. 488 00:21:21,220 --> 00:21:25,460 S2: No we're we're in a five year plan. Uh, actually 489 00:21:25,500 --> 00:21:27,940 S2: here we go. You're gonna like this one. We've identified 490 00:21:27,980 --> 00:21:29,660 S2: key areas that we need to improve. 491 00:21:29,700 --> 00:21:31,619 S1: But didn't you start the season by signing all these 492 00:21:31,619 --> 00:21:34,500 S1: internationals and saying, oh, you've got a red hot team, blah, blah, blah. 493 00:21:35,020 --> 00:21:36,660 S2: They're coming next year, next year, next year. 494 00:21:36,660 --> 00:21:36,820 S1: Okay. 495 00:21:36,820 --> 00:21:41,740 S2: Fair enough. Yeah. Just checking they were coming and there's 496 00:21:41,740 --> 00:21:42,379 S2: more to come. 497 00:21:42,420 --> 00:21:46,459 S1: Oh well, I'm imploring the NRL auditor to go and 498 00:21:46,460 --> 00:21:49,260 S1: look at this man's books. Are you running two books? 499 00:21:49,300 --> 00:21:50,780 S2: Sammy Bremner, where is Sammy? 500 00:21:50,820 --> 00:21:53,260 S1: How many boats have you been giving out in cars. 501 00:21:53,300 --> 00:21:53,980 S2: Girls don't like. 502 00:21:53,980 --> 00:21:58,060 S1: Fishing. Um, Chris does the New South Wales Cup and 503 00:21:58,060 --> 00:22:00,940 S1: Queensland Cup currently do enough to prepare halves for the 504 00:22:00,940 --> 00:22:04,149 S1: speed of the NRL? Or are we throwing young playmakers 505 00:22:04,150 --> 00:22:05,430 S1: to the wolves too early. 506 00:22:06,270 --> 00:22:09,790 S2: Um, I suppose yes and no. It depends on the individual. Um, 507 00:22:09,990 --> 00:22:12,869 S2: like I think the young guy who played for the 508 00:22:12,869 --> 00:22:15,830 S2: Dragons at the start of the year, Rudy Craig, was 509 00:22:15,830 --> 00:22:18,310 S2: maybe a little bit early for him, but some guys 510 00:22:18,310 --> 00:22:20,510 S2: like duck to water. Um, you know, at the moment 511 00:22:20,510 --> 00:22:23,270 S2: we've seen Joey Walsh who's the rigours of week to 512 00:22:23,310 --> 00:22:25,830 S2: week are starting to catch up with him. And yeah. Um, 513 00:22:25,950 --> 00:22:29,149 S2: where someone like the guy in Canberra, Sanders is starting 514 00:22:29,150 --> 00:22:32,790 S2: to flourish somewhat later in the year. So it depends 515 00:22:32,790 --> 00:22:35,270 S2: about the situation you're in. It depends on what kind 516 00:22:35,270 --> 00:22:37,030 S2: of make up your team is in at the moment. 517 00:22:37,030 --> 00:22:40,750 S2: But um, I think New South Wales Cup and Queensland 518 00:22:40,750 --> 00:22:43,670 S2: Cup are there for what they're there for to get 519 00:22:43,670 --> 00:22:47,390 S2: players and like players like Blaise Talagi this week he's 520 00:22:47,390 --> 00:22:49,909 S2: going back to play in New South Wales Cup. There 521 00:22:49,910 --> 00:22:52,070 S2: could be the best thing that happens to his confidence. 522 00:22:52,109 --> 00:22:54,390 S1: You know my bugbear? What my bugbear is, I'd love 523 00:22:54,390 --> 00:22:55,989 S1: to be able to weigh in on this, but we 524 00:22:55,990 --> 00:22:58,350 S1: don't get to see them unless you're going to a 525 00:22:58,350 --> 00:23:00,910 S1: park to go and watch them. I just, I just. 526 00:23:01,390 --> 00:23:02,590 S4: That's another conversation. 527 00:23:02,630 --> 00:23:04,960 S1: I just wish we had an opportunity to see the 528 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,240 S1: players rising through the ranks. I agree that we're going 529 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,320 S1: to one day be able to see in the NRL. 530 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,400 S1: I don't know what the answer is, but I'll just 531 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,200 S1: go back to growing up, I used to go watch 532 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,000 S1: the three games. I used to go watch the Toyota 533 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,040 S1: Cup or Holden Cup, whatever it was called. I used 534 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:20,360 S1: to say, mate, keep an eye on the blond kid. 535 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,560 S1: That's Tom Trebevic. You follow his career now? Like, when 536 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:25,040 S1: do we get to see New South Wales Cup? We're 537 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:26,800 S1: at the footy every weekend. We never get to watch it. 538 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,280 S2: Jersey Flegg like we had, I was lucky I grew up, 539 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:34,320 S2: I grew up with only 23 reserve grade and first grade, uh, midday, 130, 540 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,679 S2: then 3:00 was first grade. Yeah. Um, and yeah, like 541 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,919 S2: if you were at Penrith Park at 12:00 on a Saturday, 542 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:42,719 S2: you'd see all these young kids coming through. Then you'd 543 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,720 S2: watch reserve grade, then the crowd. And sometimes you just 544 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:46,960 S2: feel the crowd getting bigger. 545 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:47,680 S4: They do. Yeah. 546 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:48,200 S2: And it's just. 547 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:49,320 S4: Such a it's such a. 548 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:50,120 S2: Big thing. 549 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:50,400 S4: To. 550 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:50,880 S2: Be a young. 551 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:51,480 S4: Bloke. Yeah. 552 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,320 S2: But now these these New South Wales Cup players are 553 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:54,720 S2: playing in front of 20 people. 554 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,359 S4: Yeah. Like respect I agree I agree. Um can I 555 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,160 S4: answer this one as well. Um I think they do 556 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,200 S4: do enough as MG just said there, I think New 557 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,460 S4: South Wales Cup and Queensland Cup do enough. But I 558 00:24:05,460 --> 00:24:09,300 S4: also think it's on the clubs to prepare the halves 559 00:24:09,300 --> 00:24:12,140 S4: properly to get them ready for the NRL. And you know, 560 00:24:12,180 --> 00:24:14,659 S4: you know the example. I always go back to Tom 561 00:24:14,660 --> 00:24:17,180 S4: Dearden when he got thrown in at the Broncos when 562 00:24:17,180 --> 00:24:19,820 S4: he was like 19 or 20 or whatever, and they 563 00:24:19,820 --> 00:24:21,900 S4: were getting hammered from pillar to post. Like it was 564 00:24:21,940 --> 00:24:24,500 S4: obviously way too early for him. But then when he 565 00:24:24,500 --> 00:24:27,180 S4: got through his career and then went to the Cowboys, 566 00:24:27,340 --> 00:24:29,900 S4: and then they trusted him there and backed him, then 567 00:24:29,900 --> 00:24:32,100 S4: he turned into an origin player and it was almost like, 568 00:24:32,460 --> 00:24:35,900 S4: it's almost like these halves, they need time. Like there's 569 00:24:35,900 --> 00:24:37,859 S4: there's very rare that they can come in at 18 570 00:24:37,900 --> 00:24:40,190 S4: like a Locky Galvin, and that might be a 1 571 00:24:40,190 --> 00:24:42,370 S4: in 40 of the halves or 1 in 50 1 572 00:24:42,369 --> 00:24:44,580 S4: in 100. I don't know what it is, but I 573 00:24:44,580 --> 00:24:46,740 S4: think with the young ones they need to bide their 574 00:24:46,740 --> 00:24:49,219 S4: time in New South Wales Cup. There's a good example 575 00:24:49,220 --> 00:24:52,660 S4: at the moment of a kid called Toby Rodwell who. 576 00:24:52,780 --> 00:24:53,100 S2: Roosters. 577 00:24:53,260 --> 00:24:55,659 S4: The roosters. Yeah, halfback, they reckon he's played. I was 578 00:24:55,660 --> 00:24:57,060 S4: talking about him the other day. They reckon he's played 579 00:24:57,060 --> 00:25:00,820 S4: about 30 or 40 New South Wales Cup games already like. 580 00:25:00,859 --> 00:25:03,940 S4: And I think that's the Roosters going okay at the moment. 581 00:25:03,940 --> 00:25:06,470 S4: We've got Sam Walker, but we're getting this kid ready. 582 00:25:06,470 --> 00:25:09,350 S4: So when DC and you know, they've also got Hugo 583 00:25:09,390 --> 00:25:12,820 S4: Zavala who they've resigned but he's played 40. Yeah 40 584 00:25:12,820 --> 00:25:15,030 S4: or 50 in New South Wales Cup games. That's that's 585 00:25:15,030 --> 00:25:17,149 S4: what that's what the Dragons got to do with Kate Reid. 586 00:25:17,390 --> 00:25:19,669 S4: And I know that's probably what Dean Young's talking to 587 00:25:19,710 --> 00:25:23,590 S4: Kate about is that hey mate you're still 19. You're 20. Like, 588 00:25:23,590 --> 00:25:26,189 S4: I know we've signed Metcalfe. I know we've signed Katie Nicholl. 589 00:25:26,470 --> 00:25:29,750 S2: You're next. You're you're next. Yeah yeah yeah. 590 00:25:29,790 --> 00:25:30,550 S4: Yeah. Do you understand. 591 00:25:30,869 --> 00:25:31,629 S2: 100%. 592 00:25:31,630 --> 00:25:32,710 S4: Like you're going to be there. 593 00:25:32,750 --> 00:25:34,710 S2: You probably play just because you haven't played just because 594 00:25:34,710 --> 00:25:36,790 S2: you haven't played first grade. After ten New South Wales 595 00:25:36,790 --> 00:25:38,350 S2: Cups game. That's not the end of your career. 596 00:25:38,350 --> 00:25:38,750 S4: That's right. 597 00:25:38,750 --> 00:25:41,950 S2: Yeah. No that is that's that um nurturing ground for 598 00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:43,070 S2: for first grade footballers. 599 00:25:43,109 --> 00:25:45,710 S4: I reckon if mate, if you said, look you're going 600 00:25:45,750 --> 00:25:49,550 S4: to play 40 or 50 games of cup over the 601 00:25:49,550 --> 00:25:51,790 S4: first three years, 20 to 23, but then you're going 602 00:25:51,790 --> 00:25:53,429 S4: to play ten years in the NRL. What do you. 603 00:25:53,430 --> 00:25:53,989 S2: Do. You take that. 604 00:25:54,030 --> 00:25:54,430 S4: Take it every. 605 00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:54,869 S2: Day. Every day. 606 00:25:55,310 --> 00:25:55,510 S4: Yeah. 607 00:25:55,510 --> 00:25:56,510 S2: So well said. 608 00:25:56,550 --> 00:25:59,710 S1: Just before we wrap up I wasn't looking through you piggy. 609 00:25:59,710 --> 00:26:02,350 S1: But what's been very off putting recording this podcast today 610 00:26:02,350 --> 00:26:04,530 S1: is that alongside you there's a whole heap of books. 611 00:26:04,570 --> 00:26:07,850 S1: Finding home. A User's guide to the mind. Average at best. 612 00:26:07,850 --> 00:26:13,210 S1: White mountain tight lines. The shut ins and 138 dates which, 613 00:26:13,250 --> 00:26:15,050 S1: out of interest. Which of those are you reading? 614 00:26:15,090 --> 00:26:17,170 S4: They're all mine. I've just finished them. I just brought 615 00:26:17,170 --> 00:26:18,490 S4: them in for everyone. 616 00:26:19,410 --> 00:26:22,850 S2: I would say then once I'd go a user's guide 617 00:26:22,850 --> 00:26:23,570 S2: to the mine. 618 00:26:23,690 --> 00:26:26,650 S4: Well, I thought Tight Lines was a fishing book, is 619 00:26:26,650 --> 00:26:26,889 S4: it not? 620 00:26:26,930 --> 00:26:28,530 S2: Well, that could be, that could be, that could be 621 00:26:28,530 --> 00:26:31,250 S2: a rugby league book. The shut ins. 622 00:26:31,369 --> 00:26:32,730 S4: White Mountains, a drug book. 623 00:26:34,250 --> 00:26:34,970 S1: It's a spin off from. 624 00:26:35,450 --> 00:26:36,610 S2: That's the Blue Mountains cousin. 625 00:26:37,330 --> 00:26:40,330 S4: When will it happen for me? That's Mark Levy's autobiography. 626 00:26:40,890 --> 00:26:42,570 S1: No, I thought you were going to say no. 627 00:26:42,570 --> 00:26:43,929 S2: What, 38 days is his? 628 00:26:44,330 --> 00:26:46,370 S1: I think it's average at best. Like my career. 629 00:26:47,090 --> 00:26:52,090 S5: Oh. Yeah. 630 00:26:52,130 --> 00:26:53,850 S1: Right. You know what? On that note, we're out of here. 631 00:26:53,930 --> 00:26:55,050 S5: Bye bye. Bye. 632 00:26:55,090 --> 00:26:57,530 S1: Bye, piggy. There they are, the boys. Mark Wahlberg's podcast. 633 00:26:57,530 --> 00:27:00,050 S1: Leave us some questions. Follow us. Spread the word. We'll 634 00:27:00,050 --> 00:27:02,610 S1: catch you on Thursday for Mark my words.