Speaker 1: Welcome to the first episode of Inside Lyon very creatively
Speaker 1: renamed Inside Lione. Justin Harrison, Michael Hooper, Ian Peyton diving
Speaker 1: into all things British and Irish Lions series. Because they're
Speaker 1: not coming, they're already here, have touchdown in Perth and
Speaker 1: without a ball being kicked in Earnest or a whistle
Speaker 1: being blown, Pato, there's already fire, already jammed being thrown
Speaker 1: the tension between the Wallabies and the Lions. The news
Speaker 1: in the last twenty four hours is the Lion CEO
Speaker 1: Ben Calveley has taken a bit of a shot at
Speaker 1: Joe Schmidt and the Wallabies, claiming there's an agreement that
Speaker 1: Wallabies must be released to play in the tour matches
Speaker 1: for their states. And you've written an article having sat
Speaker 1: down with Joe Schmidt him responding to those claims from
Speaker 1: Ben Calveley.
Speaker 2: What's the latest? The latest?
Speaker 3: The very latest is Phil Warre and Ben Calveley are
Speaker 3: going to meet today to thrash all this out. But
Speaker 3: for those who don't kind of know the backstory, yep,
Speaker 3: Ben Calvaly is the CEO of the Lines. Did a
Speaker 3: presser on Monday. I think they arrived on Sunday, didn't
Speaker 3: they after Sunday night after getting beaten by Argentina. And look,
Speaker 3: I think he was essentially asked about the strength of
Speaker 3: the games that they would be playing in the tour matches.
Speaker 4: Because obviously the forces first up this Saturday night.
Speaker 3: Five of those guys named in the Wallaby squad have
Speaker 3: stayed behind a planet.
Speaker 4: And he just pointed out it was a tad aggressive that.
Speaker 3: You know, the tour agreement stipulates that test players must
Speaker 3: be released, Wallaby's players must be released for tour games,
Speaker 3: and you know, it was interpreted by some of the
Speaker 3: UK presses as a warning to Joe Schmitt. Joe Schmitt
Speaker 3: replied by saying, well, we'll abide by the tour agreement.
Speaker 4: Don't worry about that.
Speaker 3: We will be releasing Wallaby's and each of these tour teams,
Speaker 3: you know, the Super Rugby teams will have Wallabies in
Speaker 3: them anyway. So it's been a little bit of a
Speaker 3: spicy start, but it's.
Speaker 4: Been good, I think, you know, like it's been.
Speaker 1: An attention the exactly Lions series needed anymore. It does
Speaker 1: bring attention to it, but it is.
Speaker 4: An age old debate.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you that, like I can remember certainly twenty
Speaker 3: thirteen which I covered. It was exactly the same topics,
Speaker 3: and good could probably tell us more about one. But
Speaker 3: it's not new territory. It was just a bit of
Speaker 3: a strong start from the lines. And they were also
Speaker 3: mentioning at the same time that they're quite happy to
Speaker 3: play in France and Japan and Argentina in the future.
Speaker 3: So I had a bit of a nice tour. You've
Speaker 3: got their shame if anything happened to it kind of vibe,
Speaker 3: you know, like a bit of mafia play.
Speaker 1: It's a bit rich, Yeah, I say, loosely or not
Speaker 1: so loosely, threaten we're going to take this away from
Speaker 1: Australia after one hundred and thirty seven years of history.
Speaker 1: Over basically subjective read on terms in a contract. I
Speaker 1: would imagine justin anything that says in an agreement that
Speaker 1: best possible players play for these teams would be subject
Speaker 1: very much to availability of said players, health and fitness,
Speaker 1: player welfare, all of those sorts of things.
Speaker 5: Yeah, lots of terms that are open for interpretation that
Speaker 5: it would be, you know, things like best endeavors subject
Speaker 5: to availability, proximity of test campaign, just like the British
Speaker 5: and ice lines are going to put some players on
Speaker 5: ice to get them ready for the one two three
Speaker 5: of the test campaign, which is a must win by
Speaker 5: the way, so to the Wallabies are entitled to do that.
Speaker 5: I think Joe Schmitt should just come out, come out
Speaker 5: and name ninety six players in the Wallaby squad that
Speaker 5: would not have them all assembled in camp and there
Speaker 5: you go. Move on, Gloody Ben should stick to giving
Speaker 5: out the pins and things that he's giving a press
Speaker 5: may be right. Let the coaches and the players worry
Speaker 5: about preparing for tests and let Joe Schmitt worry about
Speaker 5: what is best for the Wallaby group.
Speaker 1: It certainly has spiced things up, but it's divided media
Speaker 1: in the home nations, as Pato mentioned, sort of came
Speaker 1: about from questions from media in the Northern Hemisphere around
Speaker 1: the strength of the teams. But there's a few journalists
Speaker 1: and the like who've sort of clapped back it at
Speaker 1: Calvary and said, well, you kind of disrespected Argentina by
Speaker 1: putting out a weaker team against the fifth.
Speaker 2: Rank nation in the world.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, hoops love a
Speaker 1: bit of spice, a little bit of extra attention on
Speaker 1: the series on rugby, on the game leading into the
Speaker 1: first game of a massive tour.
Speaker 6: Yeah, like we're going to see with Sunny Bill and Gal,
Speaker 6: you know, being shown there's a few words going before
Speaker 6: the actual punches are thrown, and that's what we want
Speaker 6: to see.
Speaker 7: It's going to be.
Speaker 6: It's already going to be a lively tour. I think
Speaker 6: this just adds to a bit of the spice.
Speaker 7: Look.
Speaker 6: I think, you know, coming from a former player or
Speaker 6: a recently retired players perspective, for those three tests, which
Speaker 6: are the biggest games that we're going to you know,
Speaker 6: both teams need to win, and you know I talked
Speaker 6: about this a few weeks ago. How do you win
Speaker 6: those threes? Zip Joe and Andy and that's both of them.
Speaker 6: There's both teams need to be super prepared for how
Speaker 6: do they get their players playing their best rugby come
Speaker 6: those three tests.
Speaker 7: Now, Joe's not going to sit back.
Speaker 6: And put everyone on ice and roll out some of
Speaker 6: those players that haven't played in a long period of time.
Speaker 7: First test match, He's just not.
Speaker 6: So he's going to have to play like we're seeing
Speaker 6: with the affairs like Hunter Paisami's going to play for
Speaker 6: the rebels, wh's just been Now they're going back, so
Speaker 6: you know they're going to get minutes because that'll make
Speaker 6: them play better in those tests. And we're going to
Speaker 6: see the exact same with the lines. They've got no choice,
Speaker 6: They've got to play these games. We've got a bit
Speaker 6: more choice. But you want to see those best combinations
Speaker 6: come alive. People be rugby ready, which is very different
Speaker 6: from being a training fit and everything like that for
Speaker 6: test number one. So look from a player's point of view,
Speaker 6: there's going to we talked to a lot of last
Speaker 6: week about individual plans.
Speaker 7: I don't think it's a big deal.
Speaker 6: I think it's some nice shot shots across the bow
Speaker 6: just to get things started over in wa.
Speaker 5: You get out of the sandpit as well, like you know,
Speaker 5: lolly shops down the road, that's just a non event.
Speaker 5: To try and manipulate and force Joe Schmid or the
Speaker 5: Wallaby group into some sort of change in direction for
Speaker 5: a high performance plan and succession pathway, I want you
Speaker 5: mentioned I wanted a conspicuous absence. Difference between I one
Speaker 5: and ours is now Australia a fixed I.
Speaker 1: Was going to raise this is this not a little
Speaker 1: bit of a little bit of why not? Why not
Speaker 1: is there not a little bit of from the Lions
Speaker 1: have your cake and eat it too, because they are
Speaker 1: now bleating that supposedly Joe Schmid's not going to release
Speaker 1: the best talent and make those tour games strong sides
Speaker 1: and give them a good preparation for the series. But
Speaker 1: they also, as far as I understand it, the lines
Speaker 1: were at pains to not have an Australia A game
Speaker 1: included this tour for fear that it would be a
Speaker 1: fourth Test.
Speaker 5: Well apparently, and then you know I won. Brumbies went
Speaker 5: within thirty seconds of Burningham thirteen.
Speaker 8: They beat them. You know, what are you talking about?
Speaker 3: I reckon just you know, it actually plays nicely into
Speaker 3: the state teams and they're being.
Speaker 4: Told you're not really good enough.
Speaker 3: You boys better need you know, some cavalry from the
Speaker 3: Wallabies to help you out. Look, look at the Force
Speaker 3: team that has been named that's undoubtedly the strongest WA side.
Speaker 3: It wasn't always the Force, but that we've sent out
Speaker 3: against the Lions that they'll do a good job. There's
Speaker 3: blokes in there like Nick Champion, d Krepne, who going
Speaker 3: to be you chomping at the bit to take a
Speaker 3: few helps and like Goog's point is a good one.
Speaker 3: Like just because a bloke's name wasn't on the piece
Speaker 3: of paper last week, joshmir was pointed out yesterday. There
Speaker 3: are guys that he's deliberately, you know, quote unquote left
Speaker 3: in the Reds camp to play some footy who haven't
Speaker 3: played a whole heap of games. So there are a
Speaker 3: whole bunch of guys who played for the Wallabies a
Speaker 3: lot of last year. Lukah Salaki, looh Uru, Josh Cannam,
Speaker 3: Josh Fluke. So that's that team is going to be
Speaker 3: stacked with Wallabies anyway. And just because they're not named
Speaker 3: in the squad last week does not mean that they are.
Speaker 3: You know, that's the only Wallabies that you know would
Speaker 3: be part of this kind of tour agreement.
Speaker 7: And sorry, let's just talk about the differences in two players.
Speaker 6: A Lions player playing a Force game, it's a first
Speaker 6: game on the tour.
Speaker 7: Is it a mentality?
Speaker 6: Do I just want to get through where If you've
Speaker 6: got Sam Carter, who played in the Brumbies team that
Speaker 6: beat the Lions back in twenty thirteen, he's probably going
Speaker 6: to play his last game starting alongside Darcy Swain.
Speaker 7: This is Curtly.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's a heap of names in there to Krepney,
Speaker 6: can't wait to see that. Who are chomping, absolutely fizzing
Speaker 6: to get their hands on these games. Tom Robinson, So
Speaker 6: you've got a really and that's what's verset gam against
Speaker 6: a lot And that's what makes this sort of competition
Speaker 6: really spicy, is for you've got some you know, what's
Speaker 6: the mentality of the lines, what's the mentality of the Wallabies?
Speaker 6: And I think that's why we've seen over the course
Speaker 6: of history you get some wins by state teams and
Speaker 6: then some blowouts like that's going to happen. But that's
Speaker 6: what makes the tour so exciting.
Speaker 7: So I love that side of it.
Speaker 2: You know, Simon Crime.
Speaker 1: If you're Simon Crime, do you get the headline or
Speaker 1: the clote from Ben Calvley and you put it in
Speaker 1: front of a caged nick champion to Krepney and you
Speaker 1: just rattle it in front of his face until he
Speaker 1: froths at the mouth, ready to run out of the stadium.
Speaker 5: You'd be keen to hear your thoughts. I absolutely didn't
Speaker 5: look for headlines and motivation in Colin space to provoke
Speaker 5: a performance on the field, and you know exactly what
Speaker 5: I wanted to do on the dirt, and that was
Speaker 5: to get through whoever was standing in front of me
Speaker 5: trying to play against us.
Speaker 2: So being called a plank and an epe never fired
Speaker 2: you up much.
Speaker 8: Of the morning when Roffy gave me a hand of
Speaker 8: bananas and everyone was.
Speaker 2: Laughing in the corner the morning of the third Test.
Speaker 2: But so it worked.
Speaker 5: But what is unhelpful though, is when people who aren't
Speaker 5: in the inner sanctum of the coaching high performance unit
Speaker 5: and the players themselves. You're trying to develop a strategy
Speaker 5: and the Wallabies are trying to develop a strategy now
Speaker 5: of implementation over a six week period. Some bloke as
Speaker 5: a CEO no one's ever really heard of, you get
Speaker 5: does he want to just try and get in the
Speaker 5: calmn And it's just a bit annoying. You feel like, mate,
Speaker 5: just pull your head in.
Speaker 4: It was a bit very interesting. Judgment's a smart guy.
Speaker 3: In one of the comments he said to me yesterday
Speaker 3: was well, I'm not sure if Andy's been part of
Speaker 3: this conversation.
Speaker 4: It's just the CEO, Andy Farrell, so already he was
Speaker 4: just kind of going. You know, the coach might not
Speaker 4: be all that happy about what this.
Speaker 1: Blokes because he and Andy obviously know each other really
Speaker 1: well for their time in Ireland, but they sort of
Speaker 1: have a think a bit of an agreement about this
Speaker 1: being this whole tour being about the rugby and a
Speaker 1: celebration of rugby and the global aspect of the game
Speaker 1: and that sort of stuff that it certainly doesn't feel
Speaker 1: like it's something that would have any of Andy Farrell's
Speaker 1: fingerprints on Joe Sit.
Speaker 3: He said, yes, there's a lot of plate spinning going
Speaker 3: on and we discussed it last week.
Speaker 4: That fig Test being played, you know in two weeks time,
Speaker 4: is it losing trait? My mind's mush.
Speaker 3: But that throws a spanner in the works that hasn't
Speaker 3: been there for other tools because the Wallabies have to
Speaker 3: stay and prepare for that, so obviously they're not going
Speaker 3: to be able to play for the Reds or the
Speaker 3: Writize pretty much.
Speaker 4: If you're going to be in the first twenty three.
Speaker 3: Of the Wallabies there after that, you know usually you'd
Speaker 3: probably I can't imagine too many go back to the
Speaker 3: au n Z game either. Do you need a two
Speaker 3: week break or with some blokes like to play in
Speaker 3: that game as well to keep.
Speaker 7: Going individual plan.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think comes down to the individual and you know,
Speaker 6: Joe's got a cracking plan over that. What was said
Speaker 6: posts the Argentina game by Andy Farrell and the coaching
Speaker 6: stuff in terms of relation to that loss, he.
Speaker 2: Was quite critical.
Speaker 1: And we're going to chat to BBC reporter Lauren Jenkins
Speaker 1: soon and we're going to get the normal Northern hemisphere
Speaker 1: take on that.
Speaker 8: But yeah, I just in a hunger by too many mistakes.
Speaker 6: I'm really yeah, I'm really interested because you know, we've
Speaker 6: got Fiji coming up, so similarly that's going to be
Speaker 6: our first hit out. So how how has the lines
Speaker 6: reacted to a loss in that space and you know,
Speaker 6: how do we focus on you know, the Fiji stuff.
Speaker 6: It's going to be really interesting to see how, you know,
Speaker 6: who wins this weekend, how does that factor in.
Speaker 7: That's what's so good about this.
Speaker 3: I mean we've talked about kind of the UK media
Speaker 3: of their own beast and they put a lot of
Speaker 3: I guess fuel into this week's kind of controversy. If
Speaker 3: the Force managed to sneak another upset this two wins
Speaker 3: can you imagine how the worm starts to turn on.
Speaker 2: The loads would certainly type well.
Speaker 6: I also think that lions lost straight off the bat
Speaker 6: does tighten the screws in a lion's environment as well.
Speaker 6: So I think the way they prepare, the way they
Speaker 6: train now is going to look perhaps a bit different
Speaker 6: to maybe what it looked like the former week. So
Speaker 6: any team like heat is now just applied a little
Speaker 6: bit and that's good for a playing group. Well, it
Speaker 6: can go either way, can't it, But usually it's a
Speaker 6: good thing for a playground.
Speaker 3: Do you reckon selection that Andy Farrell had a selection
Speaker 3: plan in mind and you'll stick to that each week,
Speaker 3: or how flexible that'll get, Like will he go for
Speaker 3: a strong, strong team this week that he might not have.
Speaker 4: Otherwise? Get off the back of that.
Speaker 6: I don't think he'll change course too much off the
Speaker 6: back of one performance. The comments I did see was
Speaker 6: they were loose with the ball, They didn't respect the ball.
Speaker 7: That the way they should have is that right? And
Speaker 7: it was something along those lines.
Speaker 6: They gave away a lot of things, So you can
Speaker 6: change that mentality pretty quickly.
Speaker 5: Style of play I would expect it's going to be
Speaker 5: tightened up go back to a power game. Cert yourself,
Speaker 5: get control of the game, take away the oxygen the
Speaker 5: Western Force might have. In open field turnover scenario. Argentina
Speaker 5: beat them on the turnover and transition from attack to defense,
Speaker 5: so they're going to starve the game of that opportunity.
Speaker 5: But to Hoops's point, there'll be an individual plan, there'll
Speaker 5: be a team plan for that whole period. There's no
Speaker 5: way Farrell is solving on a week to week basis
Speaker 5: and changing on the back of that. He's had this
Speaker 5: plan in play for six months. Looking at the form
Speaker 5: of players.
Speaker 1: Now we're going to get the Northern Hemisphire perspective in
Speaker 1: a second. A little bit of updating news is that
Speaker 1: the Wallabies have released Mount Fesler and Hunter Paissami from
Speaker 1: camp in Sydney at the moment, so they'll go back
Speaker 1: to the Reds and be able to play in that
Speaker 1: tour match. I know some Northern Hemisphere media are claiming
Speaker 1: that's a win for Calvary in his negotiations with Phil
Speaker 1: wall but Joe Schmid had said last week that that
Speaker 1: was probably going to be planned with Fesler anyway. Let's
Speaker 1: go to BBC reporter Lauren Jenkins joining us now, Lauren,
Speaker 1: great to have you on insideline.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the country. I know you got in yesterday.
Speaker 1: We've just discussed at length this little bit of four
Speaker 1: or around Wallaby's players being released or not being released.
Speaker 1: As quite pointed comments from the Lion co Ben Calveley,
Speaker 1: what is the take from your perspective, from the Northern
Speaker 1: Hemisphere perspective.
Speaker 9: Yeah, first of all, good morning guys. It's very much
Speaker 9: focus on the rugby. That's the emphasis here. The coaches
Speaker 9: aren't being drawn into any politics. Just to reemphasize what
Speaker 9: we've already said. It's come from the narrative has come
Speaker 9: from CEO benk Cavily. He said, it's not just about
Speaker 9: a performer's perspective. There's an emphasize on wanting the most
Speaker 9: competitive fixture for broadcasters partners. You know, the rugby love
Speaker 9: in public. But I think we're probably going to get that.
Speaker 9: The five players Joe Shmitt released is probably a fair compromise.
Speaker 9: And look, you go back at Lions tours in the
Speaker 9: past where they've protected their test players by bringing in
Speaker 9: players from nearby nations. In twenty thirteen we had Shane
Speaker 9: Williams jowing the camp in twenty seventeen. You remember, correctly,
Speaker 9: we had the geography six, so some fans may think
Speaker 9: us a bit rich generally, though speaking to fans Lions fans,
Speaker 9: there are plenty who also think it's a necessary aggressive
Speaker 9: tone to start the tour. That said, I mean you've
Speaker 9: alluded to it already. We're just being drawn into one
Speaker 9: of the well known Lions narratives, aren't we. There'll be
Speaker 9: plenty more. Whenever Lions loses a test we get certain
Speaker 9: people saying, you know, does it still fit into their
Speaker 9: modern rugby calendar. We'll have hosts teams over the next
Speaker 9: few weeks saying they're going to bash the Lions up
Speaker 9: before the test series starts, and we'll have the Lions
Speaker 9: fans pretending to be outraged. So strap yourselves in and look,
Speaker 9: there's part of it that, as you've said, just increases
Speaker 9: the drama.
Speaker 3: Love it, We love it, Love it, Lauren. Let's turn
Speaker 3: to the footy. Then, the Lions obviously went down in
Speaker 3: Dublin last week. How has that been received by the
Speaker 3: team and have there is ponded to that, What did
Speaker 3: what did the term take from that? And what can
Speaker 3: we expect them to respond to in terms of maybe selections,
Speaker 3: install and overall plan for the tour.
Speaker 5: Yah.
Speaker 9: It's an interesting one, isn't it, Because no one expects
Speaker 9: a Polish performance in game one, but often did the
Speaker 9: Lions play the fifth best ranked team in the world.
Speaker 9: So I was quite I think the reporters generally in
Speaker 9: the UK were quite surprised by how down Andy Farrell
Speaker 9: was postmatch, saying, you know, looking internally asking himself, have
Speaker 9: I prepared the team well enough for this game? Rather
Speaker 9: than being drawn into talking about the positives there are
Speaker 9: plenty of them. They got into the twenty two fifteen
Speaker 9: times the scrum went well and for me, I'm used
Speaker 9: to interviewing Warren Gatland, so I can tell you postmatch
Speaker 9: would have reminded the nation that, you know, the players
Speaker 9: had little time together and they were missing a few.
Speaker 9: But I think Parrell comes from a much more there
Speaker 9: no excuses culture in terms of the performance. There were
Speaker 9: a lot of players missing, you know, ten lengths to
Speaker 9: players that I expect to come back in this weekend.
Speaker 9: But they did play. They played quite ambitiously and I've
Speaker 9: been you know, after you go back in twenty seventeen,
Speaker 9: even twenty thirteen, the criticism and also from often from
Speaker 9: the British public, is that teem's never going to beat
Speaker 9: a Southern hemisphere, so I play in that way. I
Speaker 9: feel like this time it's completely reversed and people are
Speaker 9: sort of saying they were overplaying in that Test match
Speaker 9: in Dublin, Lauren.
Speaker 5: It's a good point that you might right at the
Speaker 5: start with the pliers and the coaching staff worrying about
Speaker 5: what's happening on the grass, and you know, the administrative
Speaker 5: side of it can sort of either keep quiet or
Speaker 5: just continue to deal in their politics, but it's separate
Speaker 5: to what's happening on the field. Like it reminds me
Speaker 5: of I want when we had the squad come down
Speaker 5: grab Henry was trying to manage some different personalities, very
Speaker 5: strong personalities in that plying group, bit of division as
Speaker 5: the team rolled forward, then some non selection selection, an
Speaker 5: upset winning against Astraia. I do you feel like that
Speaker 5: there's a bit of danger in that starting to happen
Speaker 5: where you start to divod administrative from flying group and
Speaker 5: then the nationality start to come into play, and then
Speaker 5: the media up there in the north or unforgiving absolutely,
Speaker 5: is that a danger for this group you reckon, I don't.
Speaker 9: Think so at the moment. That could change if they
Speaker 9: lose their Saturday of course. Actually, the biggest challenge for
Speaker 9: Andy Farrell is, you know, how does he keep competition
Speaker 9: alive in this squad at the moment? How does he
Speaker 9: make every single player believe they've got a real strong
Speaker 9: chance of stating the testim only because there's sixteen Irish
Speaker 9: players in the squad is filled in the coaching team
Speaker 9: filled with Irish representation and you've got Andy Farrell Island
Speaker 9: head coach. So for me, the challenge is, you know,
Speaker 9: you look back at that Argentina game, could you say
Speaker 9: that some players were overally focused on impressing given they
Speaker 9: know that you know there were ten Lenster players sat
Speaker 9: in the stand watching, probably await to net in that Saturday.
Speaker 9: So we'll see how you go.
Speaker 4: At the minute.
Speaker 9: There are two sort of camps here, or certainly there
Speaker 9: were two camps coming into Australia. Those who have had
Speaker 9: match minutes, those who haven't. Expect by Sunday we'll see
Speaker 9: the majority having played. Other than are a couple of
Speaker 9: injuries James and Gibson pack and who got to Keenan.
Speaker 1: The two main concerns A Laura, I just want to
Speaker 1: get Michael Hooper's perspective and on what Justin just asked
Speaker 1: you there in terms of the peripheral noise. You know,
Speaker 1: twenty thirteen for the Wallabies, it flipped on the Wallaby's head.
Speaker 2: I guess.
Speaker 1: Around the James harwall stomping sort of stuff and the
Speaker 1: magnifying glass that was put on the team in the squad.
Speaker 1: Then how do you shut out that or how much
Speaker 1: does it affect you when you trying to get on
Speaker 1: with the business of what's on the grasses?
Speaker 7: Justin calls, no, each player will have their own idea
Speaker 7: on how to do that.
Speaker 6: So I was playing in that twenty thirteen it was
Speaker 6: my second year in a test jersey, and that stuff
Speaker 6: didn't even.
Speaker 4: Come on the radar.
Speaker 6: You're thinking about how do I train well on Tuesday, Thursday,
Speaker 6: Friday and get ready for the game on Saturday and
Speaker 6: put out my best performance. So you know, I'm really
Speaker 6: excited to be on the other side of the fence
Speaker 6: this time and actually sort of enjoy all that noise,
Speaker 6: all the theater that's going to go into these performances
Speaker 6: because these players, they're just gearing up and there's talking
Speaker 6: about the British and Irish lines. Tons of talent and
Speaker 6: top level talent who have performed at the highest level
Speaker 6: for a long period of time, so noise is part
Speaker 6: of their every day. This is what they are used to.
Speaker 6: So I don't think this is going to factor in
Speaker 6: too much in this point in the tour. It becomes
Speaker 6: harder to escape though, if things don't go how you
Speaker 6: want them to go. So Lauren mentions the result on Saturday.
Speaker 6: It's a big game for both teams on Saturday, so
Speaker 6: we've talked about it being pretty bay from the get go.
Speaker 7: I think that's probably a fair assessment.
Speaker 1: Sitting on the other side of the fence, maybe contributing
Speaker 1: to some of the story. Irons now as a pundit
Speaker 1: as well, Hoops just maybe spicing things up.
Speaker 6: Nah, I've got nothing, mate. I think the talk is
Speaker 6: going to be done on the field. Hey, you know,
Speaker 6: we talked about d Krepney this Saturday, and you're waving
Speaker 6: a bit of a you know, incentive for him to
Speaker 6: I don't think you need to wave any incentive in
Speaker 6: front of certainly these Western Force players, and I also
Speaker 6: think for these lines guys.
Speaker 7: So it's going to make a cracking first one on
Speaker 7: Australian Shaws.
Speaker 2: Yeah, come wait for Lauren. Great to have you. I
Speaker 2: want to finish with just one question. You mentioned the injuries.
Speaker 1: Did Jameson Gibson Park Blair Kinghorn, who people might not
Speaker 1: even realize is not with the squad at the moment.
Speaker 2: He's still in France.
Speaker 1: He plays for Toulouse who are into the Top fourteen final,
Speaker 1: but he didn't even play in the semi finals.
Speaker 2: So what's the update on.
Speaker 1: The injuries on those two guys who are in most
Speaker 1: people's mind starters for the first Test.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 9: I've been telling black Knghn is good to go. Well,
Speaker 9: they expect him to be potentially up for consideration for
Speaker 9: the final. I think it's the goo injury to James
Speaker 9: and Gibson pack is probably the most not what don't
Speaker 9: use the word serious, but the biggest concern. And then
Speaker 9: who got Keenan? Another ones you could you know you
Speaker 9: could finish Saturday when you look at the front runners
Speaker 9: for that fifteen Jersey arguably blecking on who got Keenan? Yes,
Speaker 9: Marcus Smith has played a fair bit there for England
Speaker 9: and was there against Argentina. But we could be going
Speaker 9: into next week. Well, certainly without king Hon and potentially
Speaker 9: without Keenan having had a runout. Not too many other
Speaker 9: injury concerns. It's all about now, you know how combinations.
Speaker 9: I guess the midfield is a big one. We saw
Speaker 9: Bendiaki see only too plot to pair up for the
Speaker 9: first time in midfield against Argentina somep and it's perhaps
Speaker 9: a bit critical it was too much of a physical
Speaker 9: back line. Now we're going to see more of a
Speaker 9: ball play and Gary ring Rose, who Jones even come in.
Speaker 9: So I expect expect fing Russell to be back at ten.
Speaker 9: I expect the Leinster players to be involved. And then
Speaker 9: in terms of guessing the fifteen for the Test team,
Speaker 9: I wouldn't. I'd be waked in from potentially the war
Speaker 9: Atas game and that that final game against the invitational
Speaker 9: side the Saturday before to have a much more clear idea.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very interesting.
Speaker 1: There'll be speculation every day of the week, whether it's
Speaker 1: two weeks out or three days from that first test.
Speaker 1: Well dodged there, well he survived the first bomb in Perth.
Speaker 1: Great to have you on inside, Lion Lauren, look forward
Speaker 1: to seeing you.
Speaker 9: Plenty of us that hasn't happened sooner.
Speaker 2: To be honest, he stood the testing time and cheers Lauren.
Speaker 1: How good to have Lauren Jenkins from the BBC Sport
Speaker 1: joining us on Inside Lion or.
Speaker 4: Lauren she's joined Our podcasts are already kicking boards. You
Speaker 4: think that's quite well? Maybe right?
Speaker 5: The Northern Hemisphere are going through their own selection conundrums
Speaker 5: and criteria. So a gouple of names who are playing
Speaker 5: in the British and Irish files, teams based teams, French competition,
Speaker 5: nothing like a test series on the line you want
Speaker 5: to win. That changes selection pains.
Speaker 6: And also what does Andy Farrell do with potential injuries,
Speaker 6: Like if the guys out for two weeks, you've got
Speaker 6: four countries to choose from, Like surely do you bring
Speaker 6: someone back in?
Speaker 7: Do you like it's such a connuntion?
Speaker 1: This is a question I was thinking as I was
Speaker 1: listening to Lauren to come to you with if there
Speaker 1: seems to be this big assumption that the way the
Speaker 1: side players is going to be heavily influenced by Leinster
Speaker 1: and therefore the way Island play. That's that's the country
Speaker 1: that Andy Farrell coaches, and that's certainly the way they
Speaker 1: played against Argentina. If even without the Leinster players, if
Speaker 1: they don't have Jameson Gibson Park, who's the nine for
Speaker 1: Leinster nine for Ireland, they start with Finn Russell at ten,
Speaker 1: do all the plans for potentially Leinster style of player
Speaker 1: go out the window.
Speaker 6: Well that's assuming the fact they want to play a
Speaker 6: Leinster style, like, yeah, they've got enough cattle there. But
Speaker 6: is Andy Farrell coming in and saying, hey, guys, because
Speaker 6: I don't know how well this will be received if
Speaker 6: you come in and go we're going to play Leinster
Speaker 6: rugby to the players and they go, well, we don't
Speaker 6: want to play with Leicester Rugby Leinster rugby. Rather, you
Speaker 6: know that we've got all this talent here, Why do
Speaker 6: we have to play Leinster rugby? Or do you come
Speaker 6: in and say we're going to play a Lions brand
Speaker 6: of rugby and each nationality that you bring in can
Speaker 6: add their certain flavor to it and we're going to
Speaker 6: create this unique brand of football, which I think as
Speaker 6: a player would be a much more enticing prospector then
Speaker 6: coming in and playing after a certain team or country.
Speaker 1: Yeah good, As I mentioned, great to have Lauren on
Speaker 1: the show, we're going to have a hopefully throughout the
Speaker 1: series as well.
Speaker 2: Just for the update from the Northern Hemisphere.
Speaker 1: We've got questions from fans, so time for mailbag. Naturally,
Speaker 1: the punters very excited about the Lion series, so Mailbag.
Speaker 2: Has been inundated with questions.
Speaker 1: First, cab off the rank from Turbo Jones at Turbo
Speaker 1: j Jones, look at this, We've up the graphics, graphics,
Speaker 1: We've got the questions in the wall. Now asks who's
Speaker 1: the legend that had the idea for the name change
Speaker 1: referencing inside line becoming inside line for.
Speaker 6: The next Well, I've got a theory on this, Yeah,
Speaker 6: that you came up with a name and you're also
Speaker 6: turbo Jjobs.
Speaker 2: You're wrong in both counts.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've heard it.
Speaker 1: Can I kind of elaborate on that theory because the
Speaker 1: name is Turbo Jones and the actual the actual credit
Speaker 1: needs to go to head of production at stan Sport,
Speaker 1: Ben Jones. He may have he used his own burner account,
Speaker 1: which is terribly named. But congratulations are bj very punny
Speaker 1: of you? Inside line for the next couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: Great question this one.
Speaker 1: The next one from footy fan who would like to
Speaker 1: know would now be the best time to have names
Speaker 1: on the back of jerseys for the Wallabies. Now is
Speaker 1: the time to get exposure and associate names with faces.
Speaker 1: The Lions are doing it and I've noticed the Wallaroos
Speaker 1: are doing it as well.
Speaker 2: I love the idea. Why are we not doing it?
Speaker 8: Yeah? I love it too. Not sure we're not doing it?
Speaker 2: Can it be a is there a licensing thing? Is
Speaker 2: there a ip thing?
Speaker 4: Is it hard to do?
Speaker 3: I think it's been discussed in the past without going
Speaker 3: too far, but like looking at it, like, you know,
Speaker 3: the general sports fan, how many times do we see
Speaker 3: now walking down the street NBA singlets and it's all
Speaker 3: got to do with.
Speaker 4: Their favorite player, you know, like.
Speaker 3: Probably lots of kids who want to get a Wallaby's
Speaker 3: jersey number seven Hooper. You know, it's we've had, We've
Speaker 3: had a complicated relationship with wearing you know, Wallabies jerseys
Speaker 3: over the two thousand and one tour was probably the
Speaker 3: turning point after the Sea.
Speaker 4: Have read of the Gabba. But I think it'd be great.
Speaker 4: Like people have their favorite players.
Speaker 3: How many soals would we have it? It'd be fantastic
Speaker 3: and it would also identify and we often hear this.
Speaker 3: No one knows who the Wallabies aren't, don't know enough
Speaker 3: of them anyway, be a good way to change it.
Speaker 1: They currently sell that space on the back above the
Speaker 1: number to Santos, which imagine is a pretty lucrative sponsorship opportunity.
Speaker 1: But there's space below the number, so there's no reason
Speaker 1: why it can't be put there.
Speaker 6: You just have to go down to Club Rugby and
Speaker 6: see how many sponsors you can get on a pair
Speaker 6: of shorts down there.
Speaker 7: There's plenty of billboards. Yeah, yeah, billboard, so there's plenty
Speaker 7: of space.
Speaker 6: Well, I just think if they're going to do it,
Speaker 6: make them jerseys that the fans are happy to wear,
Speaker 6: like the ones that you wear playing. Are tight like
Speaker 6: they're ready so guys can't grab you and girls can't
Speaker 6: grab you, you know, on the field, so you don't
Speaker 6: get pulled down unnecessarily. Make them comfy so it's nice,
Speaker 6: like a woolen one that you could wear that goog
Speaker 6: war thirty five years ago.
Speaker 1: I am going to give a free plug the Best
Speaker 1: and Less here because I want people in as much
Speaker 1: gold as possible. You can currently get licensed Wallaby's supporter
Speaker 1: kit from Best and Less for very affordable prices. You
Speaker 1: can get a hat, scarf, jersey, long sleeve cotton for you.
Speaker 1: Michael Hooper, thank you for about seventy five bucks for
Speaker 1: the whole bundle. So there's an unsolicited, it's unapproved free plug.
Speaker 5: Have a plug for Cannaby to remember the year twelve,
Speaker 5: remember your twelve jerseys, and you could get the Cannby
Speaker 5: jersey and you can put your nickname on the back.
Speaker 8: What'd you get? What'd you get? Nicknamed?
Speaker 7: Honestly think it was meathead.
Speaker 6: I think it was out of pressure, because I got
Speaker 6: a fair bit of that. No, that wasn't self nominated pressure.
Speaker 6: I don't think you were allowed to choose our own names.
Speaker 8: It was like our group you meathead? Did you?
Speaker 2: It was yours?
Speaker 8: I had? I had brother. Rugby wasn't a thing for me.
Speaker 8: Wasn't good.
Speaker 2: He wren't a bad egg yet.
Speaker 8: No, it wasn't good.
Speaker 2: Excellent great question, footy fan. Thank you very much. We'll
Speaker 2: start pressing the case.
Speaker 4: We are on the case in playing cards up.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yes, so I've had a little bit of a
Speaker 1: win there. I think that's coming. This one from Harley Tessarero.
Speaker 1: I had to get him to phonetically spell his name.
Speaker 1: So great question this, Who is going to have their
Speaker 1: goog moment in this line series career defining play?
Speaker 5: You sure that's not my account? Thanks love, Thanks boys,
Speaker 5: It's not a it's it's so. I always had a
Speaker 5: lunch with Sir John Hills, call him Sir Nobody, and
Speaker 5: he said, look, there's lots during that line series's heaps
Speaker 5: of moments. I Burkey had a moment, Raffi had his moment,
Speaker 5: and that was the difference. That was the squad mentality, right,
Speaker 5: Everyone contributed Herbie's two tries, all those sorts of things.
Speaker 5: So I think there's going to be multiple, multiple people
Speaker 5: that we can identify during this series we're going to
Speaker 5: lean in have their moment.
Speaker 6: I think what we can guarantee is that a kicker
Speaker 6: will be involved in that in some way, so with
Speaker 6: you know, both both coaches picking aside.
Speaker 7: Kicking is so important.
Speaker 6: We saw in the twenty thirteen games decided on kicks,
Speaker 6: so we know that there's going to be a kicker involved.
Speaker 6: So I think we've we've got to pick a team
Speaker 6: with that in mind.
Speaker 1: I think it might be the kit man who brings
Speaker 1: along the brush to brush the bottom of the boot,
Speaker 1: so there's no slippitch.
Speaker 3: It's a good point, I reckon there's going to be
Speaker 3: like you have a lot of the forwards unless there's
Speaker 3: another kind of style of line out. You guys like
Speaker 3: Bobby v and that are going to be the grunt men.
Speaker 3: But the guy who I think has been kind of
Speaker 3: the X factor player of the last year or two
Speaker 3: is Tom Wright and Tom right carving through the line.
Speaker 4: Try to win the third Test?
Speaker 8: That to do?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll have the try he scored against Wales last year.
Speaker 1: That was amazing, good shout, great question, Thank you very much,
Speaker 1: Harley t last one from Sidestep Rugby. Heyatko, what happened
Speaker 1: to the Tom Richards Trophy? Thanks mate, love your work.
Speaker 1: I didn't add that last bit the part of the
Speaker 1: tweet now the questions addressed to me. But Peto, I
Speaker 1: know you are in the know in terms of the
Speaker 1: Tom Richards Trophy, which is what the specific trophy the
Speaker 1: Wallabies and the lines used to compete for.
Speaker 2: Yep, and they won't have brought that in.
Speaker 3: In two thousand and one, so you guys drank out
Speaker 3: if it was a Waterford Crystal Cup named after Tom Richards,
Speaker 3: who was a Wallaby and a Lion, was the first
Speaker 3: Australian player to do it.
Speaker 4: There was another fellow call Blessed Wanell who also did it,
Speaker 4: and ford Itck Gallipoli won an Olympic gold medal.
Speaker 3: Tom Richards, so he's quite quite an incredible life, rightly.
Speaker 3: The trophy was named after him in two thousand and one,
Speaker 3: competed for it in twenty one thirteen. The Lines in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one decided because they play against US for
Speaker 3: that one, and against the Kiwis for a different one,
Speaker 3: and against South Africa a different one again, that they
Speaker 3: wanted to play for one trophy, a perpetual trophy for
Speaker 3: each nation. I guess similar to the World Cup. You
Speaker 3: win it, you get a replica or whatever.
Speaker 4: I think there was.
Speaker 3: I don't know that there was a hell of a
Speaker 3: lot of consultation with Australia, the pretty powerful entity of
Speaker 3: the Lines. In any case, that kind of crept up
Speaker 3: to the point where, yeah, there's.
Speaker 4: They're going to compete for this trophy.
Speaker 3: But the AAU wanted to maintain the Tom Richards connection
Speaker 3: that's been transferred into the Tom Richards Medal for.
Speaker 2: Player of the Series.
Speaker 4: So and then Tom rich family. I spoke to some
Speaker 4: of them. They're they're okay with it. So it's as
Speaker 4: you know, it's nice that that will still be a
Speaker 4: connecting point to Do we know what those.
Speaker 3: Series perpetual trophies called. Is it called what is the
Speaker 3: Lions trophy or something?
Speaker 4: Is it pretty? Yeah? I mean it's you know, it's
Speaker 4: a fancy looking thing.
Speaker 5: But did they get do you remember the trinations troping
Speaker 5: first iterations?
Speaker 4: Yeah, fitz Patrick, they got the dimensions heard that story.
Speaker 8: It was they missed it.
Speaker 1: How Imperial Metrians just make that call without consulting they did?
Speaker 4: I think there was consultation.
Speaker 3: But you know, look the lines they bring a tour
Speaker 3: worth one hundred million dollars to a to a national union,
Speaker 3: to the country.
Speaker 4: There's a little bit of a.
Speaker 3: You know, the the b C C I in cricket terms,
Speaker 3: is that they're pretty powerful in that sense. I don't
Speaker 3: know that even if Strada kicked up a huge stink
Speaker 3: that what is it? Is it now a pewter thing
Speaker 3: or it's a big tall kind of trophy?
Speaker 2: Is there a cup?
Speaker 4: Is there is there a vessel in the drink out
Speaker 4: of it?
Speaker 2: I don't know that that doesn't it doesn't find a way,
Speaker 2: can't you waterfalls?
Speaker 6: Yeah, you can always seen those ice statues that the
Speaker 6: water just saw.
Speaker 7: The beer runs down it, and you can make it work.
Speaker 1: It doesn't keep the past the pub tests far. I'm
Speaker 1: concerned if it doesn't have a vessel for carrying.
Speaker 7: Beer, because you've got small hands and can't carry the beers.
Speaker 8: So that's really that's where a sponsorship comes in.
Speaker 4: Okay, very good.
Speaker 1: That's a good place to leave it before I get
Speaker 1: sledged anymore.
Speaker 4: Good.
Speaker 2: Great to have your meathead. You can come back any
Speaker 8: One one