WEBVTT - The Battle Begins 0:00:02.960 --> 0:00:07.520 Welcome to the first episode of Inside Lyon very creatively 0:00:07.560 --> 0:00:11.559 renamed Inside Lione. Justin Harrison, Michael Hooper, Ian Peyton diving 0:00:11.600 --> 0:00:15.239 into all things British and Irish Lions series. Because they're 0:00:15.280 --> 0:00:18.680 not coming, they're already here, have touchdown in Perth and 0:00:19.079 --> 0:00:21.720 without a ball being kicked in Earnest or a whistle 0:00:21.760 --> 0:00:25.720 being blown, Pato, there's already fire, already jammed being thrown 0:00:25.920 --> 0:00:29.080 the tension between the Wallabies and the Lions. The news 0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:31.400 in the last twenty four hours is the Lion CEO 0:00:31.480 --> 0:00:33.800 Ben Calveley has taken a bit of a shot at 0:00:33.880 --> 0:00:37.040 Joe Schmidt and the Wallabies, claiming there's an agreement that 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:40.000 Wallabies must be released to play in the tour matches 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:43.200 for their states. And you've written an article having sat 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:46.239 down with Joe Schmidt him responding to those claims from 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:46.800 Ben Calveley. 0:00:46.840 --> 0:00:48.800 What's the latest? The latest? 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:52.600 The very latest is Phil Warre and Ben Calveley are 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:55.360 going to meet today to thrash all this out. But 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:57.560 for those who don't kind of know the backstory, yep, 0:00:57.880 --> 0:01:01.800 Ben Calvaly is the CEO of the Lines. Did a 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:04.520 presser on Monday. I think they arrived on Sunday, didn't 0:01:04.560 --> 0:01:10.319 they after Sunday night after getting beaten by Argentina. And look, 0:01:10.360 --> 0:01:13.160 I think he was essentially asked about the strength of 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:15.920 the games that they would be playing in the tour matches. 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:18.039 Because obviously the forces first up this Saturday night. 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:21.039 Five of those guys named in the Wallaby squad have 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:22.360 stayed behind a planet. 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:25.200 And he just pointed out it was a tad aggressive that. 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:29.840 You know, the tour agreement stipulates that test players must 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:33.400 be released, Wallaby's players must be released for tour games, 0:01:35.160 --> 0:01:38.160 and you know, it was interpreted by some of the 0:01:38.240 --> 0:01:41.520 UK presses as a warning to Joe Schmitt. Joe Schmitt 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:44.560 replied by saying, well, we'll abide by the tour agreement. 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:45.440 Don't worry about that. 0:01:45.480 --> 0:01:49.200 We will be releasing Wallaby's and each of these tour teams, 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:51.360 you know, the Super Rugby teams will have Wallabies in 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:55.240 them anyway. So it's been a little bit of a 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:56.520 spicy start, but it's. 0:01:56.320 --> 0:01:59.279 Been good, I think, you know, like it's been. 0:01:59.160 --> 0:02:01.880 An attention the exactly Lions series needed anymore. It does 0:02:01.920 --> 0:02:03.680 bring attention to it, but it is. 0:02:03.680 --> 0:02:04.559 An age old debate. 0:02:04.840 --> 0:02:07.639 I'll tell you that, like I can remember certainly twenty 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:10.400 thirteen which I covered. It was exactly the same topics, 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:12.880 and good could probably tell us more about one. But 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:15.600 it's not new territory. It was just a bit of 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:18.120 a strong start from the lines. And they were also 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:20.200 mentioning at the same time that they're quite happy to 0:02:20.560 --> 0:02:24.280 play in France and Japan and Argentina in the future. 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:26.600 So I had a bit of a nice tour. You've 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:28.920 got their shame if anything happened to it kind of vibe, 0:02:28.960 --> 0:02:30.480 you know, like a bit of mafia play. 0:02:30.680 --> 0:02:34.200 It's a bit rich, Yeah, I say, loosely or not 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:36.480 so loosely, threaten we're going to take this away from 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:39.760 Australia after one hundred and thirty seven years of history. 0:02:40.080 --> 0:02:45.600 Over basically subjective read on terms in a contract. I 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:48.560 would imagine justin anything that says in an agreement that 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:53.680 best possible players play for these teams would be subject 0:02:53.880 --> 0:02:57.480 very much to availability of said players, health and fitness, 0:02:58.040 --> 0:02:59.880 player welfare, all of those sorts of things. 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:02.600 Yeah, lots of terms that are open for interpretation that 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:05.520 it would be, you know, things like best endeavors subject 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:09.800 to availability, proximity of test campaign, just like the British 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:11.480 and ice lines are going to put some players on 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:13.880 ice to get them ready for the one two three 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:15.799 of the test campaign, which is a must win by 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:18.799 the way, so to the Wallabies are entitled to do that. 0:03:19.240 --> 0:03:21.359 I think Joe Schmitt should just come out, come out 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:24.600 and name ninety six players in the Wallaby squad that 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:27.000 would not have them all assembled in camp and there 0:03:27.000 --> 0:03:31.280 you go. Move on, Gloody Ben should stick to giving 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:35.320 out the pins and things that he's giving a press 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:39.120 may be right. Let the coaches and the players worry 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:41.720 about preparing for tests and let Joe Schmitt worry about 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:43.160 what is best for the Wallaby group. 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:49.080 It certainly has spiced things up, but it's divided media 0:03:49.160 --> 0:03:53.200 in the home nations, as Pato mentioned, sort of came 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:56.400 about from questions from media in the Northern Hemisphere around 0:03:56.400 --> 0:03:59.840 the strength of the teams. But there's a few journalists 0:03:59.880 --> 0:04:02.400 and the like who've sort of clapped back it at 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:05.600 Calvary and said, well, you kind of disrespected Argentina by 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:08.800 putting out a weaker team against the fifth. 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:09.720 Rank nation in the world. 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:13.160 But at the end of the day, hoops love a 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:15.160 bit of spice, a little bit of extra attention on 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:18.279 the series on rugby, on the game leading into the 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:19.479 first game of a massive tour. 0:04:19.600 --> 0:04:21.680 Yeah, like we're going to see with Sunny Bill and Gal, 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:24.599 you know, being shown there's a few words going before 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:26.320 the actual punches are thrown, and that's what we want 0:04:26.360 --> 0:04:26.599 to see. 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:27.160 It's going to be. 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:29.839 It's already going to be a lively tour. I think 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:31.440 this just adds to a bit of the spice. 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:31.680 Look. 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:34.080 I think, you know, coming from a former player or 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:38.200 a recently retired players perspective, for those three tests, which 0:04:38.240 --> 0:04:40.000 are the biggest games that we're going to you know, 0:04:40.080 --> 0:04:42.640 both teams need to win, and you know I talked 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:44.200 about this a few weeks ago. How do you win 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:47.760 those threes? Zip Joe and Andy and that's both of them. 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:50.440 There's both teams need to be super prepared for how 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:52.600 do they get their players playing their best rugby come 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:53.240 those three tests. 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:54.560 Now, Joe's not going to sit back. 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:56.800 And put everyone on ice and roll out some of 0:04:56.839 --> 0:04:59.359 those players that haven't played in a long period of time. 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:01.320 First test match, He's just not. 0:05:02.000 --> 0:05:04.000 So he's going to have to play like we're seeing 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:07.919 with the affairs like Hunter Paisami's going to play for 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:10.040 the rebels, wh's just been Now they're going back, so 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:14.040 you know they're going to get minutes because that'll make 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:15.640 them play better in those tests. And we're going to 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:17.760 see the exact same with the lines. They've got no choice, 0:05:17.760 --> 0:05:19.360 They've got to play these games. We've got a bit 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:22.720 more choice. But you want to see those best combinations 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:25.279 come alive. People be rugby ready, which is very different 0:05:25.279 --> 0:05:27.520 from being a training fit and everything like that for 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:31.080 test number one. So look from a player's point of view, 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:32.880 there's going to we talked to a lot of last 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:34.279 week about individual plans. 0:05:34.920 --> 0:05:36.000 I don't think it's a big deal. 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:38.320 I think it's some nice shot shots across the bow 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:40.360 just to get things started over in wa. 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:42.480 You get out of the sandpit as well, like you know, 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:45.440 lolly shops down the road, that's just a non event. 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:49.479 To try and manipulate and force Joe Schmid or the 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:51.880 Wallaby group into some sort of change in direction for 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:55.240 a high performance plan and succession pathway, I want you 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:58.440 mentioned I wanted a conspicuous absence. Difference between I one 0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:00.640 and ours is now Australia a fixed I. 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:02.520 Was going to raise this is this not a little 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:04.800 bit of a little bit of why not? Why not 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:07.920 is there not a little bit of from the Lions 0:06:08.320 --> 0:06:10.560 have your cake and eat it too, because they are 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:13.520 now bleating that supposedly Joe Schmid's not going to release 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:16.960 the best talent and make those tour games strong sides 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:19.040 and give them a good preparation for the series. But 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:21.640 they also, as far as I understand it, the lines 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:24.880 were at pains to not have an Australia A game 0:06:25.360 --> 0:06:27.320 included this tour for fear that it would be a 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:27.840 fourth Test. 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:30.640 Well apparently, and then you know I won. Brumbies went 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:32.440 within thirty seconds of Burningham thirteen. 0:06:32.480 --> 0:06:35.160 They beat them. You know, what are you talking about? 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:38.280 I reckon just you know, it actually plays nicely into 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:40.080 the state teams and they're being. 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:41.440 Told you're not really good enough. 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:44.320 You boys better need you know, some cavalry from the 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:47.200 Wallabies to help you out. Look, look at the Force 0:06:47.279 --> 0:06:51.560 team that has been named that's undoubtedly the strongest WA side. 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:53.680 It wasn't always the Force, but that we've sent out 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:56.800 against the Lions that they'll do a good job. There's 0:06:56.800 --> 0:06:59.480 blokes in there like Nick Champion, d Krepne, who going 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:01.320 to be you chomping at the bit to take a 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:06.120 few helps and like Goog's point is a good one. 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:09.279 Like just because a bloke's name wasn't on the piece 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:13.760 of paper last week, joshmir was pointed out yesterday. There 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:18.559 are guys that he's deliberately, you know, quote unquote left 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:21.280 in the Reds camp to play some footy who haven't 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:23.520 played a whole heap of games. So there are a 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:26.840 whole bunch of guys who played for the Wallabies a 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:31.480 lot of last year. Lukah Salaki, looh Uru, Josh Cannam, 0:07:31.560 --> 0:07:34.120 Josh Fluke. So that's that team is going to be 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:38.760 stacked with Wallabies anyway. And just because they're not named 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:41.680 in the squad last week does not mean that they are. 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:46.200 You know, that's the only Wallabies that you know would 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:49.000 be part of this kind of tour agreement. 0:07:49.120 --> 0:07:52.960 And sorry, let's just talk about the differences in two players. 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:55.800 A Lions player playing a Force game, it's a first 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:56.480 game on the tour. 0:07:57.200 --> 0:07:58.360 Is it a mentality? 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:00.960 Do I just want to get through where If you've 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:03.600 got Sam Carter, who played in the Brumbies team that 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:06.520 beat the Lions back in twenty thirteen, he's probably going 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:08.920 to play his last game starting alongside Darcy Swain. 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:10.920 This is Curtly. 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:13.080 Yeah, there's a heap of names in there to Krepney, 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:16.200 can't wait to see that. Who are chomping, absolutely fizzing 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:18.840 to get their hands on these games. Tom Robinson, So 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:20.800 you've got a really and that's what's verset gam against 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:22.720 a lot And that's what makes this sort of competition 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:24.920 really spicy, is for you've got some you know, what's 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:27.640 the mentality of the lines, what's the mentality of the Wallabies? 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:30.400 And I think that's why we've seen over the course 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:32.959 of history you get some wins by state teams and 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:35.199 then some blowouts like that's going to happen. But that's 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:36.720 what makes the tour so exciting. 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:38.640 So I love that side of it. 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:39.640 You know, Simon Crime. 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:41.679 If you're Simon Crime, do you get the headline or 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:44.040 the clote from Ben Calvley and you put it in 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:46.319 front of a caged nick champion to Krepney and you 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:48.439 just rattle it in front of his face until he 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:50.680 froths at the mouth, ready to run out of the stadium. 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:54.640 You'd be keen to hear your thoughts. I absolutely didn't 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:57.640 look for headlines and motivation in Colin space to provoke 0:08:57.679 --> 0:08:59.280 a performance on the field, and you know exactly what 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:00.880 I wanted to do on the dirt, and that was 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:02.599 to get through whoever was standing in front of me 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:04.319 trying to play against us. 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:06.600 So being called a plank and an epe never fired 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:08.400 you up much. 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:09.959 Of the morning when Roffy gave me a hand of 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:11.320 bananas and everyone was. 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:13.679 Laughing in the corner the morning of the third Test. 0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:15.480 But so it worked. 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:18.200 But what is unhelpful though, is when people who aren't 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:21.000 in the inner sanctum of the coaching high performance unit 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:24.360 and the players themselves. You're trying to develop a strategy 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:26.400 and the Wallabies are trying to develop a strategy now 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:31.040 of implementation over a six week period. Some bloke as 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:33.800 a CEO no one's ever really heard of, you get 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:36.319 does he want to just try and get in the 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:38.680 calmn And it's just a bit annoying. You feel like, mate, 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:39.920 just pull your head in. 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:42.920 It was a bit very interesting. Judgment's a smart guy. 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:45.040 In one of the comments he said to me yesterday 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:46.800 was well, I'm not sure if Andy's been part of 0:09:46.840 --> 0:09:47.440 this conversation. 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:50.679 It's just the CEO, Andy Farrell, so already he was 0:09:50.720 --> 0:09:53.319 just kind of going. You know, the coach might not 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:54.840 be all that happy about what this. 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:58.520 Blokes because he and Andy obviously know each other really 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:01.520 well for their time in Ireland, but they sort of 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:03.160 have a think a bit of an agreement about this 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:05.319 being this whole tour being about the rugby and a 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:08.360 celebration of rugby and the global aspect of the game 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:11.160 and that sort of stuff that it certainly doesn't feel 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:13.840 like it's something that would have any of Andy Farrell's 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:15.520 fingerprints on Joe Sit. 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:18.319 He said, yes, there's a lot of plate spinning going 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:19.640 on and we discussed it last week. 0:10:19.720 --> 0:10:23.600 That fig Test being played, you know in two weeks time, 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:25.840 is it losing trait? My mind's mush. 0:10:25.920 --> 0:10:29.680 But that throws a spanner in the works that hasn't 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:31.520 been there for other tools because the Wallabies have to 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:34.040 stay and prepare for that, so obviously they're not going 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:36.520 to be able to play for the Reds or the 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:37.760 Writize pretty much. 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:40.640 If you're going to be in the first twenty three. 0:10:40.480 --> 0:10:44.679 Of the Wallabies there after that, you know usually you'd 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:46.640 probably I can't imagine too many go back to the 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:49.360 au n Z game either. Do you need a two 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:51.920 week break or with some blokes like to play in 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:53.720 that game as well to keep. 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:54.719 Going individual plan. 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:57.760 Yeah, I think comes down to the individual and you know, 0:10:57.960 --> 0:11:00.360 Joe's got a cracking plan over that. What was said 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:03.480 posts the Argentina game by Andy Farrell and the coaching 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:06.320 stuff in terms of relation to that loss, he. 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:07.480 Was quite critical. 0:11:08.480 --> 0:11:11.680 And we're going to chat to BBC reporter Lauren Jenkins 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:14.400 soon and we're going to get the normal Northern hemisphere 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:14.920 take on that. 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:20.640 But yeah, I just in a hunger by too many mistakes. 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:23.360 I'm really yeah, I'm really interested because you know, we've 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:26.559 got Fiji coming up, so similarly that's going to be 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:29.160 our first hit out. So how how has the lines 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:31.880 reacted to a loss in that space and you know, 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:34.640 how do we focus on you know, the Fiji stuff. 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:36.719 It's going to be really interesting to see how, you know, 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:39.040 who wins this weekend, how does that factor in. 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:40.120 That's what's so good about this. 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:43.000 I mean we've talked about kind of the UK media 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:44.760 of their own beast and they put a lot of 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:50.160 I guess fuel into this week's kind of controversy. If 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:52.680 the Force managed to sneak another upset this two wins 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:55.840 can you imagine how the worm starts to turn on. 0:11:55.880 --> 0:11:57.640 The loads would certainly type well. 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:01.520 I also think that lions lost straight off the bat 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:05.040 does tighten the screws in a lion's environment as well. 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:07.840 So I think the way they prepare, the way they 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:11.240 train now is going to look perhaps a bit different 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:13.360 to maybe what it looked like the former week. So 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:17.400 any team like heat is now just applied a little 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:19.400 bit and that's good for a playing group. Well, it 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:21.360 can go either way, can't it, But usually it's a 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:22.400 good thing for a playground. 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:24.920 Do you reckon selection that Andy Farrell had a selection 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:27.680 plan in mind and you'll stick to that each week, 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:31.199 or how flexible that'll get, Like will he go for 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:33.560 a strong, strong team this week that he might not have. 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:36.640 Otherwise? Get off the back of that. 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:39.199 I don't think he'll change course too much off the 0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:42.640 back of one performance. The comments I did see was 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:44.719 they were loose with the ball, They didn't respect the ball. 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:46.199 That the way they should have is that right? And 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:47.400 it was something along those lines. 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:49.560 They gave away a lot of things, So you can 0:12:49.720 --> 0:12:51.680 change that mentality pretty quickly. 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:53.880 Style of play I would expect it's going to be 0:12:54.000 --> 0:12:56.720 tightened up go back to a power game. Cert yourself, 0:12:57.440 --> 0:13:00.079 get control of the game, take away the oxygen the 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:03.800 Western Force might have. In open field turnover scenario. Argentina 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:06.440 beat them on the turnover and transition from attack to defense, 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:09.000 so they're going to starve the game of that opportunity. 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:12.240 But to Hoops's point, there'll be an individual plan, there'll 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:14.559 be a team plan for that whole period. There's no 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:17.920 way Farrell is solving on a week to week basis 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:20.360 and changing on the back of that. He's had this 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:22.960 plan in play for six months. Looking at the form 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:23.480 of players. 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:26.120 Now we're going to get the Northern Hemisphire perspective in 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:28.360 a second. A little bit of updating news is that 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:31.640 the Wallabies have released Mount Fesler and Hunter Paissami from 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:34.040 camp in Sydney at the moment, so they'll go back 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:36.400 to the Reds and be able to play in that 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:39.360 tour match. I know some Northern Hemisphere media are claiming 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:41.760 that's a win for Calvary in his negotiations with Phil 0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:44.599 wall but Joe Schmid had said last week that that 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:47.240 was probably going to be planned with Fesler anyway. Let's 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:51.199 go to BBC reporter Lauren Jenkins joining us now, Lauren, 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:52.599 great to have you on insideline. 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:55.400 Welcome to the country. I know you got in yesterday. 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:58.920 We've just discussed at length this little bit of four 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:03.000 or around Wallaby's players being released or not being released. 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:06.200 As quite pointed comments from the Lion co Ben Calveley, 0:14:06.480 --> 0:14:09.160 what is the take from your perspective, from the Northern 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:10.240 Hemisphere perspective. 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:15.680 Yeah, first of all, good morning guys. It's very much 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:19.920 focus on the rugby. That's the emphasis here. The coaches 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:24.360 aren't being drawn into any politics. Just to reemphasize what 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:27.360 we've already said. It's come from the narrative has come 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:30.440 from CEO benk Cavily. He said, it's not just about 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:34.440 a performer's perspective. There's an emphasize on wanting the most 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:38.560 competitive fixture for broadcasters partners. You know, the rugby love 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:41.560 in public. But I think we're probably going to get that. 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:46.080 The five players Joe Shmitt released is probably a fair compromise. 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:49.200 And look, you go back at Lions tours in the 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:53.040 past where they've protected their test players by bringing in 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:57.640 players from nearby nations. In twenty thirteen we had Shane 0:14:57.680 --> 0:15:00.880 Williams jowing the camp in twenty seventeen. You remember, correctly, 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:04.880 we had the geography six, so some fans may think 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:09.320 us a bit rich generally, though speaking to fans Lions fans, 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:13.240 there are plenty who also think it's a necessary aggressive 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:16.600 tone to start the tour. That said, I mean you've 0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:19.480 alluded to it already. We're just being drawn into one 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:23.000 of the well known Lions narratives, aren't we. There'll be 0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:26.280 plenty more. Whenever Lions loses a test we get certain 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:29.880 people saying, you know, does it still fit into their 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:33.560 modern rugby calendar. We'll have hosts teams over the next 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:35.800 few weeks saying they're going to bash the Lions up 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:40.120 before the test series starts, and we'll have the Lions 0:15:40.160 --> 0:15:43.960 fans pretending to be outraged. So strap yourselves in and look, 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:46.720 there's part of it that, as you've said, just increases 0:15:46.760 --> 0:15:47.200 the drama. 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:50.840 Love it, We love it, Love it, Lauren. Let's turn 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:54.600 to the footy. Then, the Lions obviously went down in 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:58.280 Dublin last week. How has that been received by the 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:01.320 team and have there is ponded to that, What did 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:03.440 what did the term take from that? And what can 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:07.960 we expect them to respond to in terms of maybe selections, 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:10.440 install and overall plan for the tour. 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:12.880 Yah. 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:15.520 It's an interesting one, isn't it, Because no one expects 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:20.040 a Polish performance in game one, but often did the 0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:23.600 Lions play the fifth best ranked team in the world. 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:26.880 So I was quite I think the reporters generally in 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:30.160 the UK were quite surprised by how down Andy Farrell 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:34.560 was postmatch, saying, you know, looking internally asking himself, have 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:38.160 I prepared the team well enough for this game? Rather 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:41.760 than being drawn into talking about the positives there are 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:45.080 plenty of them. They got into the twenty two fifteen 0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:48.160 times the scrum went well and for me, I'm used 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:51.280 to interviewing Warren Gatland, so I can tell you postmatch 0:16:51.320 --> 0:16:54.120 would have reminded the nation that, you know, the players 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:57.080 had little time together and they were missing a few. 0:16:57.200 --> 0:17:00.240 But I think Parrell comes from a much more there 0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:05.000 no excuses culture in terms of the performance. There were 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:08.040 a lot of players missing, you know, ten lengths to 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:11.119 players that I expect to come back in this weekend. 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:14.560 But they did play. They played quite ambitiously and I've 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:18.080 been you know, after you go back in twenty seventeen, 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:22.560 even twenty thirteen, the criticism and also from often from 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:25.320 the British public, is that teem's never going to beat 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:28.159 a Southern hemisphere, so I play in that way. I 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:32.000 feel like this time it's completely reversed and people are 0:17:32.000 --> 0:17:35.040 sort of saying they were overplaying in that Test match 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:37.080 in Dublin, Lauren. 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:38.760 It's a good point that you might right at the 0:17:38.800 --> 0:17:41.879 start with the pliers and the coaching staff worrying about 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:45.040 what's happening on the grass, and you know, the administrative 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:48.440 side of it can sort of either keep quiet or 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:51.040 just continue to deal in their politics, but it's separate 0:17:51.080 --> 0:17:53.119 to what's happening on the field. Like it reminds me 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:56.600 of I want when we had the squad come down 0:17:56.720 --> 0:18:00.159 grab Henry was trying to manage some different personalities, very 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:03.840 strong personalities in that plying group, bit of division as 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:07.280 the team rolled forward, then some non selection selection, an 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:11.080 upset winning against Astraia. I do you feel like that 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:13.359 there's a bit of danger in that starting to happen 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:16.680 where you start to divod administrative from flying group and 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:19.119 then the nationality start to come into play, and then 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:22.160 the media up there in the north or unforgiving absolutely, 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:27.280 is that a danger for this group you reckon, I don't. 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:29.320 Think so at the moment. That could change if they 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:32.760 lose their Saturday of course. Actually, the biggest challenge for 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:37.720 Andy Farrell is, you know, how does he keep competition 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:40.359 alive in this squad at the moment? How does he 0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:43.879 make every single player believe they've got a real strong 0:18:44.080 --> 0:18:47.840