1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to the first episode of Inside Lyon very creatively 2 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:11,559 Speaker 1: renamed Inside Lione. Justin Harrison, Michael Hooper, Ian Peyton diving 3 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:15,239 Speaker 1: into all things British and Irish Lions series. Because they're 4 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: not coming, they're already here, have touchdown in Perth and 5 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: without a ball being kicked in Earnest or a whistle 6 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: being blown, Pato, there's already fire, already jammed being thrown 7 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: the tension between the Wallabies and the Lions. The news 8 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: in the last twenty four hours is the Lion CEO 9 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: Ben Calveley has taken a bit of a shot at 10 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: Joe Schmidt and the Wallabies, claiming there's an agreement that 11 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: Wallabies must be released to play in the tour matches 12 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,200 Speaker 1: for their states. And you've written an article having sat 13 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:46,239 Speaker 1: down with Joe Schmidt him responding to those claims from 14 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: Ben Calveley. 15 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 2: What's the latest? The latest? 16 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 3: The very latest is Phil Warre and Ben Calveley are 17 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 3: going to meet today to thrash all this out. But 18 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 3: for those who don't kind of know the backstory, yep, 19 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 3: Ben Calvaly is the CEO of the Lines. Did a 20 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 3: presser on Monday. I think they arrived on Sunday, didn't 21 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 3: they after Sunday night after getting beaten by Argentina. And look, 22 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 3: I think he was essentially asked about the strength of 23 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 3: the games that they would be playing in the tour matches. 24 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 4: Because obviously the forces first up this Saturday night. 25 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 3: Five of those guys named in the Wallaby squad have 26 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 3: stayed behind a planet. 27 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 4: And he just pointed out it was a tad aggressive that. 28 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 3: You know, the tour agreement stipulates that test players must 29 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 3: be released, Wallaby's players must be released for tour games, 30 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 3: and you know, it was interpreted by some of the 31 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 3: UK presses as a warning to Joe Schmitt. Joe Schmitt 32 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 3: replied by saying, well, we'll abide by the tour agreement. 33 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 4: Don't worry about that. 34 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 3: We will be releasing Wallaby's and each of these tour teams, 35 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 3: you know, the Super Rugby teams will have Wallabies in 36 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 3: them anyway. So it's been a little bit of a 37 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 3: spicy start, but it's. 38 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,279 Speaker 4: Been good, I think, you know, like it's been. 39 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: An attention the exactly Lions series needed anymore. It does 40 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: bring attention to it, but it is. 41 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:04,559 Speaker 4: An age old debate. 42 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:07,639 Speaker 3: I'll tell you that, like I can remember certainly twenty 43 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 3: thirteen which I covered. It was exactly the same topics, 44 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 3: and good could probably tell us more about one. But 45 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 3: it's not new territory. It was just a bit of 46 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 3: a strong start from the lines. And they were also 47 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 3: mentioning at the same time that they're quite happy to 48 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 3: play in France and Japan and Argentina in the future. 49 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 3: So I had a bit of a nice tour. You've 50 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 3: got their shame if anything happened to it kind of vibe, 51 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 3: you know, like a bit of mafia play. 52 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: It's a bit rich, Yeah, I say, loosely or not 53 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: so loosely, threaten we're going to take this away from 54 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: Australia after one hundred and thirty seven years of history. 55 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: Over basically subjective read on terms in a contract. I 56 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: would imagine justin anything that says in an agreement that 57 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: best possible players play for these teams would be subject 58 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: very much to availability of said players, health and fitness, 59 00:02:58,040 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: player welfare, all of those sorts of things. 60 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, lots of terms that are open for interpretation that 61 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 5: it would be, you know, things like best endeavors subject 62 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 5: to availability, proximity of test campaign, just like the British 63 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 5: and ice lines are going to put some players on 64 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 5: ice to get them ready for the one two three 65 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 5: of the test campaign, which is a must win by 66 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,799 Speaker 5: the way, so to the Wallabies are entitled to do that. 67 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,359 Speaker 5: I think Joe Schmitt should just come out, come out 68 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 5: and name ninety six players in the Wallaby squad that 69 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 5: would not have them all assembled in camp and there 70 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 5: you go. Move on, Gloody Ben should stick to giving 71 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 5: out the pins and things that he's giving a press 72 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 5: may be right. Let the coaches and the players worry 73 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 5: about preparing for tests and let Joe Schmitt worry about 74 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 5: what is best for the Wallaby group. 75 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: It certainly has spiced things up, but it's divided media 76 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: in the home nations, as Pato mentioned, sort of came 77 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: about from questions from media in the Northern Hemisphere around 78 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: the strength of the teams. But there's a few journalists 79 00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: and the like who've sort of clapped back it at 80 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: Calvary and said, well, you kind of disrespected Argentina by 81 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: putting out a weaker team against the fifth. 82 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 2: Rank nation in the world. 83 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, hoops love a 84 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: bit of spice, a little bit of extra attention on 85 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 1: the series on rugby, on the game leading into the 86 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 1: first game of a massive tour. 87 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 6: Yeah, like we're going to see with Sunny Bill and Gal, 88 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 6: you know, being shown there's a few words going before 89 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 6: the actual punches are thrown, and that's what we want 90 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 6: to see. 91 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 7: It's going to be. 92 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 6: It's already going to be a lively tour. I think 93 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 6: this just adds to a bit of the spice. 94 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 7: Look. 95 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 6: I think, you know, coming from a former player or 96 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 6: a recently retired players perspective, for those three tests, which 97 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 6: are the biggest games that we're going to you know, 98 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 6: both teams need to win, and you know I talked 99 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 6: about this a few weeks ago. How do you win 100 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 6: those threes? Zip Joe and Andy and that's both of them. 101 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 6: There's both teams need to be super prepared for how 102 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 6: do they get their players playing their best rugby come 103 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 6: those three tests. 104 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 7: Now, Joe's not going to sit back. 105 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 6: And put everyone on ice and roll out some of 106 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,359 Speaker 6: those players that haven't played in a long period of time. 107 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 7: First test match, He's just not. 108 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 6: So he's going to have to play like we're seeing 109 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:07,919 Speaker 6: with the affairs like Hunter Paisami's going to play for 110 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 6: the rebels, wh's just been Now they're going back, so 111 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 6: you know they're going to get minutes because that'll make 112 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 6: them play better in those tests. And we're going to 113 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 6: see the exact same with the lines. They've got no choice, 114 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 6: They've got to play these games. We've got a bit 115 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 6: more choice. But you want to see those best combinations 116 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 6: come alive. People be rugby ready, which is very different 117 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 6: from being a training fit and everything like that for 118 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 6: test number one. So look from a player's point of view, 119 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 6: there's going to we talked to a lot of last 120 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 6: week about individual plans. 121 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 7: I don't think it's a big deal. 122 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 6: I think it's some nice shot shots across the bow 123 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 6: just to get things started over in wa. 124 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 5: You get out of the sandpit as well, like you know, 125 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 5: lolly shops down the road, that's just a non event. 126 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:49,479 Speaker 5: To try and manipulate and force Joe Schmid or the 127 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 5: Wallaby group into some sort of change in direction for 128 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 5: a high performance plan and succession pathway, I want you 129 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 5: mentioned I wanted a conspicuous absence. Difference between I one 130 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 5: and ours is now Australia a fixed I. 131 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: Was going to raise this is this not a little 132 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 1: bit of a little bit of why not? Why not 133 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 1: is there not a little bit of from the Lions 134 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: have your cake and eat it too, because they are 135 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: now bleating that supposedly Joe Schmid's not going to release 136 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: the best talent and make those tour games strong sides 137 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 1: and give them a good preparation for the series. But 138 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: they also, as far as I understand it, the lines 139 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: were at pains to not have an Australia A game 140 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: included this tour for fear that it would be a 141 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 1: fourth Test. 142 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 5: Well apparently, and then you know I won. Brumbies went 143 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 5: within thirty seconds of Burningham thirteen. 144 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 8: They beat them. You know, what are you talking about? 145 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 3: I reckon just you know, it actually plays nicely into 146 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 3: the state teams and they're being. 147 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 4: Told you're not really good enough. 148 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 3: You boys better need you know, some cavalry from the 149 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 3: Wallabies to help you out. Look, look at the Force 150 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 3: team that has been named that's undoubtedly the strongest WA side. 151 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 3: It wasn't always the Force, but that we've sent out 152 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 3: against the Lions that they'll do a good job. There's 153 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 3: blokes in there like Nick Champion, d Krepne, who going 154 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 3: to be you chomping at the bit to take a 155 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 3: few helps and like Goog's point is a good one. 156 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 3: Like just because a bloke's name wasn't on the piece 157 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 3: of paper last week, joshmir was pointed out yesterday. There 158 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:18,559 Speaker 3: are guys that he's deliberately, you know, quote unquote left 159 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 3: in the Reds camp to play some footy who haven't 160 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 3: played a whole heap of games. So there are a 161 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 3: whole bunch of guys who played for the Wallabies a 162 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 3: lot of last year. Lukah Salaki, looh Uru, Josh Cannam, 163 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 3: Josh Fluke. So that's that team is going to be 164 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 3: stacked with Wallabies anyway. And just because they're not named 165 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 3: in the squad last week does not mean that they are. 166 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 3: You know, that's the only Wallabies that you know would 167 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 3: be part of this kind of tour agreement. 168 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 7: And sorry, let's just talk about the differences in two players. 169 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 6: A Lions player playing a Force game, it's a first 170 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 6: game on the tour. 171 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 7: Is it a mentality? 172 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 6: Do I just want to get through where If you've 173 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 6: got Sam Carter, who played in the Brumbies team that 174 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 6: beat the Lions back in twenty thirteen, he's probably going 175 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 6: to play his last game starting alongside Darcy Swain. 176 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 7: This is Curtly. 177 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, there's a heap of names in there to Krepney, 178 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 6: can't wait to see that. Who are chomping, absolutely fizzing 179 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 6: to get their hands on these games. Tom Robinson, So 180 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 6: you've got a really and that's what's verset gam against 181 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 6: a lot And that's what makes this sort of competition 182 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 6: really spicy, is for you've got some you know, what's 183 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 6: the mentality of the lines, what's the mentality of the Wallabies? 184 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 6: And I think that's why we've seen over the course 185 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:32,959 Speaker 6: of history you get some wins by state teams and 186 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,199 Speaker 6: then some blowouts like that's going to happen. But that's 187 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 6: what makes the tour so exciting. 188 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 7: So I love that side of it. 189 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 2: You know, Simon Crime. 190 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 1: If you're Simon Crime, do you get the headline or 191 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: the clote from Ben Calvley and you put it in 192 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,319 Speaker 1: front of a caged nick champion to Krepney and you 193 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 1: just rattle it in front of his face until he 194 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 1: froths at the mouth, ready to run out of the stadium. 195 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 5: You'd be keen to hear your thoughts. I absolutely didn't 196 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 5: look for headlines and motivation in Colin space to provoke 197 00:08:57,679 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 5: a performance on the field, and you know exactly what 198 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 5: I wanted to do on the dirt, and that was 199 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:02,599 Speaker 5: to get through whoever was standing in front of me 200 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:04,319 Speaker 5: trying to play against us. 201 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 2: So being called a plank and an epe never fired 202 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 2: you up much. 203 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:09,959 Speaker 8: Of the morning when Roffy gave me a hand of 204 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 8: bananas and everyone was. 205 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:13,679 Speaker 2: Laughing in the corner the morning of the third Test. 206 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 2: But so it worked. 207 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 5: But what is unhelpful though, is when people who aren't 208 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 5: in the inner sanctum of the coaching high performance unit 209 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 5: and the players themselves. You're trying to develop a strategy 210 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 5: and the Wallabies are trying to develop a strategy now 211 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 5: of implementation over a six week period. Some bloke as 212 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 5: a CEO no one's ever really heard of, you get 213 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,319 Speaker 5: does he want to just try and get in the 214 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 5: calmn And it's just a bit annoying. You feel like, mate, 215 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 5: just pull your head in. 216 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 4: It was a bit very interesting. Judgment's a smart guy. 217 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 3: In one of the comments he said to me yesterday 218 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 3: was well, I'm not sure if Andy's been part of 219 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 3: this conversation. 220 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,679 Speaker 4: It's just the CEO, Andy Farrell, so already he was 221 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,319 Speaker 4: just kind of going. You know, the coach might not 222 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 4: be all that happy about what this. 223 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: Blokes because he and Andy obviously know each other really 224 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: well for their time in Ireland, but they sort of 225 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: have a think a bit of an agreement about this 226 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,319 Speaker 1: being this whole tour being about the rugby and a 227 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: celebration of rugby and the global aspect of the game 228 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: and that sort of stuff that it certainly doesn't feel 229 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 1: like it's something that would have any of Andy Farrell's 230 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: fingerprints on Joe Sit. 231 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:18,319 Speaker 3: He said, yes, there's a lot of plate spinning going 232 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 3: on and we discussed it last week. 233 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 4: That fig Test being played, you know in two weeks time, 234 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 4: is it losing trait? My mind's mush. 235 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 3: But that throws a spanner in the works that hasn't 236 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 3: been there for other tools because the Wallabies have to 237 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 3: stay and prepare for that, so obviously they're not going 238 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 3: to be able to play for the Reds or the 239 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 3: Writize pretty much. 240 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 4: If you're going to be in the first twenty three. 241 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 3: Of the Wallabies there after that, you know usually you'd 242 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 3: probably I can't imagine too many go back to the 243 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 3: au n Z game either. Do you need a two 244 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 3: week break or with some blokes like to play in 245 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 3: that game as well to keep. 246 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:54,719 Speaker 7: Going individual plan. 247 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think comes down to the individual and you know, 248 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 6: Joe's got a cracking plan over that. What was said 249 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 6: posts the Argentina game by Andy Farrell and the coaching 250 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 6: stuff in terms of relation to that loss, he. 251 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 2: Was quite critical. 252 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 1: And we're going to chat to BBC reporter Lauren Jenkins 253 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: soon and we're going to get the normal Northern hemisphere 254 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: take on that. 255 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 8: But yeah, I just in a hunger by too many mistakes. 256 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 6: I'm really yeah, I'm really interested because you know, we've 257 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:26,559 Speaker 6: got Fiji coming up, so similarly that's going to be 258 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 6: our first hit out. So how how has the lines 259 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 6: reacted to a loss in that space and you know, 260 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 6: how do we focus on you know, the Fiji stuff. 261 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:36,719 Speaker 6: It's going to be really interesting to see how, you know, 262 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 6: who wins this weekend, how does that factor in. 263 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 7: That's what's so good about this. 264 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 3: I mean we've talked about kind of the UK media 265 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 3: of their own beast and they put a lot of 266 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 3: I guess fuel into this week's kind of controversy. If 267 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 3: the Force managed to sneak another upset this two wins 268 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 3: can you imagine how the worm starts to turn on. 269 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 2: The loads would certainly type well. 270 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 6: I also think that lions lost straight off the bat 271 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 6: does tighten the screws in a lion's environment as well. 272 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 6: So I think the way they prepare, the way they 273 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 6: train now is going to look perhaps a bit different 274 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 6: to maybe what it looked like the former week. So 275 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 6: any team like heat is now just applied a little 276 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 6: bit and that's good for a playing group. Well, it 277 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 6: can go either way, can't it, But usually it's a 278 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 6: good thing for a playground. 279 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 3: Do you reckon selection that Andy Farrell had a selection 280 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:27,680 Speaker 3: plan in mind and you'll stick to that each week, 281 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:31,199 Speaker 3: or how flexible that'll get, Like will he go for 282 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 3: a strong, strong team this week that he might not have. 283 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 4: Otherwise? Get off the back of that. 284 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,199 Speaker 6: I don't think he'll change course too much off the 285 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 6: back of one performance. The comments I did see was 286 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:44,719 Speaker 6: they were loose with the ball, They didn't respect the ball. 287 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:46,199 Speaker 7: That the way they should have is that right? And 288 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 7: it was something along those lines. 289 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 6: They gave away a lot of things, So you can 290 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 6: change that mentality pretty quickly. 291 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 5: Style of play I would expect it's going to be 292 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 5: tightened up go back to a power game. Cert yourself, 293 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:00,079 Speaker 5: get control of the game, take away the oxygen the 294 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 5: Western Force might have. In open field turnover scenario. Argentina 295 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 5: beat them on the turnover and transition from attack to defense, 296 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 5: so they're going to starve the game of that opportunity. 297 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 5: But to Hoops's point, there'll be an individual plan, there'll 298 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,559 Speaker 5: be a team plan for that whole period. There's no 299 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 5: way Farrell is solving on a week to week basis 300 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 5: and changing on the back of that. He's had this 301 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 5: plan in play for six months. Looking at the form 302 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 5: of players. 303 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: Now we're going to get the Northern Hemisphire perspective in 304 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: a second. A little bit of updating news is that 305 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: the Wallabies have released Mount Fesler and Hunter Paissami from 306 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: camp in Sydney at the moment, so they'll go back 307 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: to the Reds and be able to play in that 308 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: tour match. I know some Northern Hemisphere media are claiming 309 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: that's a win for Calvary in his negotiations with Phil 310 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:44,599 Speaker 1: wall but Joe Schmid had said last week that that 311 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: was probably going to be planned with Fesler anyway. Let's 312 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:51,199 Speaker 1: go to BBC reporter Lauren Jenkins joining us now, Lauren, 313 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:52,599 Speaker 1: great to have you on insideline. 314 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 2: Welcome to the country. I know you got in yesterday. 315 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: We've just discussed at length this little bit of four 316 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: or around Wallaby's players being released or not being released. 317 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 1: As quite pointed comments from the Lion co Ben Calveley, 318 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: what is the take from your perspective, from the Northern 319 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: Hemisphere perspective. 320 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 9: Yeah, first of all, good morning guys. It's very much 321 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 9: focus on the rugby. That's the emphasis here. The coaches 322 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 9: aren't being drawn into any politics. Just to reemphasize what 323 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 9: we've already said. It's come from the narrative has come 324 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 9: from CEO benk Cavily. He said, it's not just about 325 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 9: a performer's perspective. There's an emphasize on wanting the most 326 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 9: competitive fixture for broadcasters partners. You know, the rugby love 327 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 9: in public. But I think we're probably going to get that. 328 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 9: The five players Joe Shmitt released is probably a fair compromise. 329 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 9: And look, you go back at Lions tours in the 330 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 9: past where they've protected their test players by bringing in 331 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 9: players from nearby nations. In twenty thirteen we had Shane 332 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 9: Williams jowing the camp in twenty seventeen. You remember, correctly, 333 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 9: we had the geography six, so some fans may think 334 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 9: us a bit rich generally, though speaking to fans Lions fans, 335 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 9: there are plenty who also think it's a necessary aggressive 336 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 9: tone to start the tour. That said, I mean you've 337 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 9: alluded to it already. We're just being drawn into one 338 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 9: of the well known Lions narratives, aren't we. There'll be 339 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 9: plenty more. Whenever Lions loses a test we get certain 340 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 9: people saying, you know, does it still fit into their 341 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 9: modern rugby calendar. We'll have hosts teams over the next 342 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 9: few weeks saying they're going to bash the Lions up 343 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 9: before the test series starts, and we'll have the Lions 344 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 9: fans pretending to be outraged. So strap yourselves in and look, 345 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 9: there's part of it that, as you've said, just increases 346 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 9: the drama. 347 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 3: Love it, We love it, Love it, Lauren. Let's turn 348 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 3: to the footy. Then, the Lions obviously went down in 349 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 3: Dublin last week. How has that been received by the 350 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 3: team and have there is ponded to that, What did 351 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 3: what did the term take from that? And what can 352 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 3: we expect them to respond to in terms of maybe selections, 353 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 3: install and overall plan for the tour. 354 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 5: Yah. 355 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 9: It's an interesting one, isn't it, Because no one expects 356 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 9: a Polish performance in game one, but often did the 357 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 9: Lions play the fifth best ranked team in the world. 358 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 9: So I was quite I think the reporters generally in 359 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 9: the UK were quite surprised by how down Andy Farrell 360 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 9: was postmatch, saying, you know, looking internally asking himself, have 361 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 9: I prepared the team well enough for this game? Rather 362 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 9: than being drawn into talking about the positives there are 363 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 9: plenty of them. They got into the twenty two fifteen 364 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 9: times the scrum went well and for me, I'm used 365 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 9: to interviewing Warren Gatland, so I can tell you postmatch 366 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 9: would have reminded the nation that, you know, the players 367 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 9: had little time together and they were missing a few. 368 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 9: But I think Parrell comes from a much more there 369 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 9: no excuses culture in terms of the performance. There were 370 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 9: a lot of players missing, you know, ten lengths to 371 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 9: players that I expect to come back in this weekend. 372 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 9: But they did play. They played quite ambitiously and I've 373 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 9: been you know, after you go back in twenty seventeen, 374 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 9: even twenty thirteen, the criticism and also from often from 375 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 9: the British public, is that teem's never going to beat 376 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 9: a Southern hemisphere, so I play in that way. I 377 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 9: feel like this time it's completely reversed and people are 378 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 9: sort of saying they were overplaying in that Test match 379 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 9: in Dublin, Lauren. 380 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 5: It's a good point that you might right at the 381 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 5: start with the pliers and the coaching staff worrying about 382 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 5: what's happening on the grass, and you know, the administrative 383 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 5: side of it can sort of either keep quiet or 384 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 5: just continue to deal in their politics, but it's separate 385 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 5: to what's happening on the field. Like it reminds me 386 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 5: of I want when we had the squad come down 387 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 5: grab Henry was trying to manage some different personalities, very 388 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 5: strong personalities in that plying group, bit of division as 389 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 5: the team rolled forward, then some non selection selection, an 390 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 5: upset winning against Astraia. I do you feel like that 391 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 5: there's a bit of danger in that starting to happen 392 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 5: where you start to divod administrative from flying group and 393 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 5: then the nationality start to come into play, and then 394 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:22,160 Speaker 5: the media up there in the north or unforgiving absolutely, 395 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 5: is that a danger for this group you reckon, I don't. 396 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 9: Think so at the moment. That could change if they 397 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 9: lose their Saturday of course. Actually, the biggest challenge for 398 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 9: Andy Farrell is, you know, how does he keep competition 399 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 9: alive in this squad at the moment? How does he 400 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 9: make every single player believe they've got a real strong 401 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 9: chance of stating the testim only because there's sixteen Irish 402 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 9: players in the squad is filled in the coaching team 403 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 9: filled with Irish representation and you've got Andy Farrell Island 404 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 9: head coach. So for me, the challenge is, you know, 405 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 9: you look back at that Argentina game, could you say 406 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:07,919 Speaker 9: that some players were overally focused on impressing given they 407 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 9: know that you know there were ten Lenster players sat 408 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 9: in the stand watching, probably await to net in that Saturday. 409 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 9: So we'll see how you go. 410 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 4: At the minute. 411 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,360 Speaker 9: There are two sort of camps here, or certainly there 412 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 9: were two camps coming into Australia. Those who have had 413 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:27,360 Speaker 9: match minutes, those who haven't. Expect by Sunday we'll see 414 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 9: the majority having played. Other than are a couple of 415 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 9: injuries James and Gibson pack and who got to Keenan. 416 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 1: The two main concerns A Laura, I just want to 417 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:41,160 Speaker 1: get Michael Hooper's perspective and on what Justin just asked 418 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: you there in terms of the peripheral noise. You know, 419 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 1: twenty thirteen for the Wallabies, it flipped on the Wallaby's head. 420 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 2: I guess. 421 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 1: Around the James harwall stomping sort of stuff and the 422 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 1: magnifying glass that was put on the team in the squad. 423 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: Then how do you shut out that or how much 424 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 1: does it affect you when you trying to get on 425 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: with the business of what's on the grasses? 426 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 7: Justin calls, no, each player will have their own idea 427 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 7: on how to do that. 428 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 6: So I was playing in that twenty thirteen it was 429 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 6: my second year in a test jersey, and that stuff 430 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 6: didn't even. 431 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 4: Come on the radar. 432 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 6: You're thinking about how do I train well on Tuesday, Thursday, 433 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 6: Friday and get ready for the game on Saturday and 434 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 6: put out my best performance. So you know, I'm really 435 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 6: excited to be on the other side of the fence 436 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,679 Speaker 6: this time and actually sort of enjoy all that noise, 437 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 6: all the theater that's going to go into these performances 438 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 6: because these players, they're just gearing up and there's talking 439 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 6: about the British and Irish lines. Tons of talent and 440 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 6: top level talent who have performed at the highest level 441 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 6: for a long period of time, so noise is part 442 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 6: of their every day. This is what they are used to. 443 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 6: So I don't think this is going to factor in 444 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 6: too much in this point in the tour. It becomes 445 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 6: harder to escape though, if things don't go how you 446 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 6: want them to go. So Lauren mentions the result on Saturday. 447 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 6: It's a big game for both teams on Saturday, so 448 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 6: we've talked about it being pretty bay from the get go. 449 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 7: I think that's probably a fair assessment. 450 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 1: Sitting on the other side of the fence, maybe contributing 451 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 1: to some of the story. Irons now as a pundit 452 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,439 Speaker 1: as well, Hoops just maybe spicing things up. 453 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 6: Nah, I've got nothing, mate. I think the talk is 454 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 6: going to be done on the field. Hey, you know, 455 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 6: we talked about d Krepney this Saturday, and you're waving 456 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 6: a bit of a you know, incentive for him to 457 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 6: I don't think you need to wave any incentive in 458 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 6: front of certainly these Western Force players, and I also 459 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 6: think for these lines guys. 460 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 7: So it's going to make a cracking first one on 461 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 7: Australian Shaws. 462 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, come wait for Lauren. Great to have you. I 463 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,439 Speaker 2: want to finish with just one question. You mentioned the injuries. 464 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 1: Did Jameson Gibson Park Blair Kinghorn, who people might not 465 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: even realize is not with the squad at the moment. 466 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 2: He's still in France. 467 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: He plays for Toulouse who are into the Top fourteen final, 468 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: but he didn't even play in the semi finals. 469 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 2: So what's the update on. 470 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: The injuries on those two guys who are in most 471 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 1: people's mind starters for the first Test. 472 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 4: Yeah. 473 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 9: I've been telling black Knghn is good to go. Well, 474 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 9: they expect him to be potentially up for consideration for 475 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 9: the final. I think it's the goo injury to James 476 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,880 Speaker 9: and Gibson pack is probably the most not what don't 477 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 9: use the word serious, but the biggest concern. And then 478 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 9: who got Keenan? Another ones you could you know you 479 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 9: could finish Saturday when you look at the front runners 480 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 9: for that fifteen Jersey arguably blecking on who got Keenan? Yes, 481 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 9: Marcus Smith has played a fair bit there for England 482 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 9: and was there against Argentina. But we could be going 483 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 9: into next week. Well, certainly without king Hon and potentially 484 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 9: without Keenan having had a runout. Not too many other 485 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:41,159 Speaker 9: injury concerns. It's all about now, you know how combinations. 486 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,640 Speaker 9: I guess the midfield is a big one. We saw 487 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 9: Bendiaki see only too plot to pair up for the 488 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 9: first time in midfield against Argentina somep and it's perhaps 489 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 9: a bit critical it was too much of a physical 490 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 9: back line. Now we're going to see more of a 491 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,159 Speaker 9: ball play and Gary ring Rose, who Jones even come in. 492 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,880 Speaker 9: So I expect expect fing Russell to be back at ten. 493 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 9: I expect the Leinster players to be involved. And then 494 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,640 Speaker 9: in terms of guessing the fifteen for the Test team, 495 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 9: I wouldn't. I'd be waked in from potentially the war 496 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 9: Atas game and that that final game against the invitational 497 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 9: side the Saturday before to have a much more clear idea. 498 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:20,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very interesting. 499 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: There'll be speculation every day of the week, whether it's 500 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: two weeks out or three days from that first test. 501 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 1: Well dodged there, well he survived the first bomb in Perth. 502 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: Great to have you on inside, Lion Lauren, look forward 503 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 1: to seeing you. 504 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 9: Plenty of us that hasn't happened sooner. 505 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 2: To be honest, he stood the testing time and cheers Lauren. 506 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,679 Speaker 1: How good to have Lauren Jenkins from the BBC Sport 507 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:44,919 Speaker 1: joining us on Inside Lion or. 508 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:50,159 Speaker 4: Lauren she's joined Our podcasts are already kicking boards. You 509 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 4: think that's quite well? Maybe right? 510 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 5: The Northern Hemisphere are going through their own selection conundrums 511 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 5: and criteria. So a gouple of names who are playing 512 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,880 Speaker 5: in the British and Irish files, teams based teams, French competition, 513 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 5: nothing like a test series on the line you want 514 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 5: to win. That changes selection pains. 515 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 6: And also what does Andy Farrell do with potential injuries, 516 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 6: Like if the guys out for two weeks, you've got 517 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 6: four countries to choose from, Like surely do you bring 518 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 6: someone back in? 519 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 7: Do you like it's such a connuntion? 520 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 1: This is a question I was thinking as I was 521 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 1: listening to Lauren to come to you with if there 522 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: seems to be this big assumption that the way the 523 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,159 Speaker 1: side players is going to be heavily influenced by Leinster 524 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,159 Speaker 1: and therefore the way Island play. That's that's the country 525 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,679 Speaker 1: that Andy Farrell coaches, and that's certainly the way they 526 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:38,679 Speaker 1: played against Argentina. If even without the Leinster players, if 527 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 1: they don't have Jameson Gibson Park, who's the nine for 528 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: Leinster nine for Ireland, they start with Finn Russell at ten, 529 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 1: do all the plans for potentially Leinster style of player 530 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 1: go out the window. 531 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 6: Well that's assuming the fact they want to play a 532 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 6: Leinster style, like, yeah, they've got enough cattle there. But 533 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 6: is Andy Farrell coming in and saying, hey, guys, because 534 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:57,719 Speaker 6: I don't know how well this will be received if 535 00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 6: you come in and go we're going to play Leinster 536 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 6: rugby to the players and they go, well, we don't 537 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 6: want to play with Leicester Rugby Leinster rugby. Rather, you 538 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 6: know that we've got all this talent here, Why do 539 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 6: we have to play Leinster rugby? Or do you come 540 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 6: in and say we're going to play a Lions brand 541 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 6: of rugby and each nationality that you bring in can 542 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 6: add their certain flavor to it and we're going to 543 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 6: create this unique brand of football, which I think as 544 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 6: a player would be a much more enticing prospector then 545 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 6: coming in and playing after a certain team or country. 546 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 1: Yeah good, As I mentioned, great to have Lauren on 547 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 1: the show, we're going to have a hopefully throughout the 548 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: series as well. 549 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 2: Just for the update from the Northern Hemisphere. 550 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 1: We've got questions from fans, so time for mailbag. Naturally, 551 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: the punters very excited about the Lion series, so Mailbag. 552 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,400 Speaker 2: Has been inundated with questions. 553 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,919 Speaker 1: First, cab off the rank from Turbo Jones at Turbo 554 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,880 Speaker 1: j Jones, look at this, We've up the graphics, graphics, 555 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 1: We've got the questions in the wall. Now asks who's 556 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 1: the legend that had the idea for the name change 557 00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: referencing inside line becoming inside line for. 558 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 6: The next Well, I've got a theory on this, Yeah, 559 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,439 Speaker 6: that you came up with a name and you're also 560 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 6: turbo Jjobs. 561 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 2: You're wrong in both counts. 562 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, I've heard it. 563 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: Can I kind of elaborate on that theory because the 564 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:19,920 Speaker 1: name is Turbo Jones and the actual the actual credit 565 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 1: needs to go to head of production at stan Sport, 566 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,679 Speaker 1: Ben Jones. He may have he used his own burner account, 567 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 1: which is terribly named. But congratulations are bj very punny 568 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 1: of you? Inside line for the next couple of weeks. 569 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 2: Great question this one. 570 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 1: The next one from footy fan who would like to 571 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 1: know would now be the best time to have names 572 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 1: on the back of jerseys for the Wallabies. Now is 573 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,719 Speaker 1: the time to get exposure and associate names with faces. 574 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: The Lions are doing it and I've noticed the Wallaroos 575 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 1: are doing it as well. 576 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 2: I love the idea. Why are we not doing it? 577 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 8: Yeah? I love it too. Not sure we're not doing it? 578 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 2: Can it be a is there a licensing thing? Is 579 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:58,640 Speaker 2: there a ip thing? 580 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:00,119 Speaker 4: Is it hard to do? 581 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,880 Speaker 3: I think it's been discussed in the past without going 582 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 3: too far, but like looking at it, like, you know, 583 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 3: the general sports fan, how many times do we see 584 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 3: now walking down the street NBA singlets and it's all 585 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 3: got to do with. 586 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 4: Their favorite player, you know, like. 587 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 3: Probably lots of kids who want to get a Wallaby's 588 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 3: jersey number seven Hooper. You know, it's we've had, We've 589 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 3: had a complicated relationship with wearing you know, Wallabies jerseys 590 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 3: over the two thousand and one tour was probably the 591 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 3: turning point after the Sea. 592 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 4: Have read of the Gabba. But I think it'd be great. 593 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 4: Like people have their favorite players. 594 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 3: How many soals would we have it? It'd be fantastic 595 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 3: and it would also identify and we often hear this. 596 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 3: No one knows who the Wallabies aren't, don't know enough 597 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 3: of them anyway, be a good way to change it. 598 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 1: They currently sell that space on the back above the 599 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 1: number to Santos, which imagine is a pretty lucrative sponsorship opportunity. 600 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: But there's space below the number, so there's no reason 601 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: why it can't be put there. 602 00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 6: You just have to go down to Club Rugby and 603 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 6: see how many sponsors you can get on a pair 604 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 6: of shorts down there. 605 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:06,400 Speaker 7: There's plenty of billboards. Yeah, yeah, billboard, so there's plenty 606 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 7: of space. 607 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 6: Well, I just think if they're going to do it, 608 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 6: make them jerseys that the fans are happy to wear, 609 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 6: like the ones that you wear playing. Are tight like 610 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 6: they're ready so guys can't grab you and girls can't 611 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 6: grab you, you know, on the field, so you don't 612 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 6: get pulled down unnecessarily. Make them comfy so it's nice, 613 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,880 Speaker 6: like a woolen one that you could wear that goog 614 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 6: war thirty five years ago. 615 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: I am going to give a free plug the Best 616 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,640 Speaker 1: and Less here because I want people in as much 617 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 1: gold as possible. You can currently get licensed Wallaby's supporter 618 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 1: kit from Best and Less for very affordable prices. You 619 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 1: can get a hat, scarf, jersey, long sleeve cotton for you. 620 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: Michael Hooper, thank you for about seventy five bucks for 621 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 1: the whole bundle. So there's an unsolicited, it's unapproved free plug. 622 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 5: Have a plug for Cannaby to remember the year twelve, 623 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 5: remember your twelve jerseys, and you could get the Cannby 624 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 5: jersey and you can put your nickname on the back. 625 00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 8: What'd you get? What'd you get? Nicknamed? 626 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 7: Honestly think it was meathead. 627 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 6: I think it was out of pressure, because I got 628 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 6: a fair bit of that. No, that wasn't self nominated pressure. 629 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 6: I don't think you were allowed to choose our own names. 630 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 8: It was like our group you meathead? Did you? 631 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 2: It was yours? 632 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 8: I had? I had brother. Rugby wasn't a thing for me. 633 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 8: Wasn't good. 634 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 2: He wren't a bad egg yet. 635 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 8: No, it wasn't good. 636 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 2: Excellent great question, footy fan. Thank you very much. We'll 637 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 2: start pressing the case. 638 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 4: We are on the case in playing cards up. 639 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: Okay, Yes, so I've had a little bit of a 640 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: win there. I think that's coming. This one from Harley Tessarero. 641 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:43,959 Speaker 1: I had to get him to phonetically spell his name. 642 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 1: So great question this, Who is going to have their 643 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: goog moment in this line series career defining play? 644 00:29:53,880 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 5: You sure that's not my account? Thanks love, Thanks boys, 645 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 5: It's not a it's it's so. I always had a 646 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 5: lunch with Sir John Hills, call him Sir Nobody, and 647 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 5: he said, look, there's lots during that line series's heaps 648 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 5: of moments. I Burkey had a moment, Raffi had his moment, 649 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 5: and that was the difference. That was the squad mentality, right, 650 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 5: Everyone contributed Herbie's two tries, all those sorts of things. 651 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 5: So I think there's going to be multiple, multiple people 652 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 5: that we can identify during this series we're going to 653 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 5: lean in have their moment. 654 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 6: I think what we can guarantee is that a kicker 655 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 6: will be involved in that in some way, so with 656 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 6: you know, both both coaches picking aside. 657 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 7: Kicking is so important. 658 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 6: We saw in the twenty thirteen games decided on kicks, 659 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 6: so we know that there's going to be a kicker involved. 660 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 6: So I think we've we've got to pick a team 661 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 6: with that in mind. 662 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: I think it might be the kit man who brings 663 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 1: along the brush to brush the bottom of the boot, 664 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 1: so there's no slippitch. 665 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 3: It's a good point, I reckon there's going to be 666 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 3: like you have a lot of the forwards unless there's 667 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 3: another kind of style of line out. You guys like 668 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 3: Bobby v and that are going to be the grunt men. 669 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 3: But the guy who I think has been kind of 670 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 3: the X factor player of the last year or two 671 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 3: is Tom Wright and Tom right carving through the line. 672 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 4: Try to win the third Test? 673 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 8: That to do? 674 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll have the try he scored against Wales last year. 675 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 1: That was amazing, good shout, great question, Thank you very much, 676 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 1: Harley t last one from Sidestep Rugby. Heyatko, what happened 677 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 1: to the Tom Richards Trophy? Thanks mate, love your work. 678 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 1: I didn't add that last bit the part of the 679 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 1: tweet now the questions addressed to me. But Peto, I 680 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 1: know you are in the know in terms of the 681 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 1: Tom Richards Trophy, which is what the specific trophy the 682 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 1: Wallabies and the lines used to compete for. 683 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 2: Yep, and they won't have brought that in. 684 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 3: In two thousand and one, so you guys drank out 685 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 3: if it was a Waterford Crystal Cup named after Tom Richards, 686 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 3: who was a Wallaby and a Lion, was the first 687 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 3: Australian player to do it. 688 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 4: There was another fellow call Blessed Wanell who also did it, 689 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 4: and ford Itck Gallipoli won an Olympic gold medal. 690 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 3: Tom Richards, so he's quite quite an incredible life, rightly. 691 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 3: The trophy was named after him in two thousand and one, 692 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 3: competed for it in twenty one thirteen. The Lines in 693 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 3: twenty twenty one decided because they play against US for 694 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 3: that one, and against the Kiwis for a different one, 695 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 3: and against South Africa a different one again, that they 696 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 3: wanted to play for one trophy, a perpetual trophy for 697 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 3: each nation. I guess similar to the World Cup. You 698 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 3: win it, you get a replica or whatever. 699 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 4: I think there was. 700 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 3: I don't know that there was a hell of a 701 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 3: lot of consultation with Australia, the pretty powerful entity of 702 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 3: the Lines. In any case, that kind of crept up 703 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 3: to the point where, yeah, there's. 704 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,479 Speaker 4: They're going to compete for this trophy. 705 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 3: But the AAU wanted to maintain the Tom Richards connection 706 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 3: that's been transferred into the Tom Richards Medal for. 707 00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 2: Player of the Series. 708 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 4: So and then Tom rich family. I spoke to some 709 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,239 Speaker 4: of them. They're they're okay with it. So it's as 710 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 4: you know, it's nice that that will still be a 711 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 4: connecting point to Do we know what those. 712 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 3: Series perpetual trophies called. Is it called what is the 713 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 3: Lions trophy or something? 714 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:14,239 Speaker 4: Is it pretty? Yeah? I mean it's you know, it's 715 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 4: a fancy looking thing. 716 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 5: But did they get do you remember the trinations troping 717 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 5: first iterations? 718 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, fitz Patrick, they got the dimensions heard that story. 719 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 8: It was they missed it. 720 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 1: How Imperial Metrians just make that call without consulting they did? 721 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 4: I think there was consultation. 722 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 3: But you know, look the lines they bring a tour 723 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 3: worth one hundred million dollars to a to a national union, 724 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 3: to the country. 725 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 4: There's a little bit of a. 726 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 3: You know, the the b C C I in cricket terms, 727 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 3: is that they're pretty powerful in that sense. I don't 728 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 3: know that even if Strada kicked up a huge stink 729 00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 3: that what is it? Is it now a pewter thing 730 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 3: or it's a big tall kind of trophy? 731 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 2: Is there a cup? 732 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 4: Is there is there a vessel in the drink out 733 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 4: of it? 734 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 2: I don't know that that doesn't it doesn't find a way, 735 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 2: can't you waterfalls? 736 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, you can always seen those ice statues that the 737 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 6: water just saw. 738 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,839 Speaker 7: The beer runs down it, and you can make it work. 739 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 1: It doesn't keep the past the pub tests far. I'm 740 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 1: concerned if it doesn't have a vessel for carrying. 741 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,759 Speaker 7: Beer, because you've got small hands and can't carry the beers. 742 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:31,279 Speaker 8: So that's really that's where a sponsorship comes in. 743 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:32,399 Speaker 4: Okay, very good. 744 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:34,879 Speaker 1: That's a good place to leave it before I get 745 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:35,760 Speaker 1: sledged anymore. 746 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 4: Good. 747 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 2: Great to have your meathead. You can come back any 748 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 8: One one