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S1: with Mel Schembri and Thomas Mitchell. What's up team? How

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S4: It's almost like.

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S1: So Billie Eilish released her latest studio album, Hit Me

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S2: I loved it. I thought it was such a mature album.

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S2: Saying now that I will begin. It's like the terms

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S2: Well, I think what has pitted them up against each

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S2: I think Taylor always releases vinyl albums. I would also

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00:19:18,150 --> 00:19:21,000
S2: it's got ten songs compared to what Taylor's albums have,

450
00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,760
S2: so the chances of that album going to number one

451
00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,220
S2: are already lower and also like if you look at

452
00:19:26,220 --> 00:19:30,150
S2: a tortured poets department has sold kind of, you know, two,

453
00:19:30,180 --> 00:19:33,149
S2: 2.5 million albums. I mean, that's just abroad. It's obviously

454
00:19:33,150 --> 00:19:35,760
S2: album figures are hard to compute, but that's almost like

455
00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:38,310
S2: half of what Billie has sold in her entire career.

456
00:19:38,310 --> 00:19:42,000
S2: So I do wonder whether this story that Taylor has

457
00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,810
S2: stopped Billie from getting to number one is really true. Like,

458
00:19:45,810 --> 00:19:48,630
S2: I'm questioning, I guess, Taylor's intent, or the intent that

459
00:19:48,630 --> 00:19:51,330
S2: has been attributed to her, and the reality of whether

460
00:19:51,330 --> 00:19:54,000
S2: that is what's stopping Billie from getting to number one.

461
00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:59,550
S1: All right, true pain over here. Taylor Swift's publicist, I, I,

462
00:19:59,550 --> 00:20:03,869
S1: I don't think that that explains what happened in the

463
00:20:03,869 --> 00:20:06,780
S1: past week, to be honest with you, because Taylor Swift's

464
00:20:06,780 --> 00:20:09,510
S1: album moved a stack of units right in its first

465
00:20:09,510 --> 00:20:12,540
S1: few weeks. We're now into week five of that album,

466
00:20:12,780 --> 00:20:15,359
S1: one of the biggest pop stars in the world, probably

467
00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:18,090
S1: the second biggest female pop star in the world after

468
00:20:18,090 --> 00:20:21,030
S1: Taylor Swift, is Billie Eilish. She has won two Academy

469
00:20:21,030 --> 00:20:23,990
S1: Awards she's won a bunch of Grammys for. Her to

470
00:20:23,990 --> 00:20:27,590
S1: release an extremely anticipated album that is getting pretty good.

471
00:20:27,590 --> 00:20:30,320
S1: Critical response. It would be normal for that to be

472
00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:33,320
S1: considered number one, particularly when the Tortured Poets department is

473
00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:37,070
S1: in its fifth week. The only reason that that would

474
00:20:37,070 --> 00:20:40,040
S1: continue to be number one is if everyone had bought

475
00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,590
S1: a whole bunch of new copies of that, which they

476
00:20:42,590 --> 00:20:47,270
S1: have done, because Taylor released new copies with the extra

477
00:20:47,270 --> 00:20:50,690
S1: voice memo stuff on it. I don't think it's a

478
00:20:50,690 --> 00:20:54,230
S1: coincidence that she just managed to do that the week.

479
00:20:54,230 --> 00:20:57,470
S1: Not even the week. The day of the Billie album release.

480
00:20:57,470 --> 00:20:58,040
S4: Okay, so.

481
00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:00,830
S2: Even if even if we take your point that Taylor

482
00:21:00,830 --> 00:21:05,540
S2: is deliberately trying to stay at number one, is that like, what?

483
00:21:05,540 --> 00:21:08,030
S2: Is there something wrong with that? I mean, why are

484
00:21:08,030 --> 00:21:11,450
S2: men allowed to compete all the time or we don't

485
00:21:11,450 --> 00:21:14,420
S2: make them have to, you know, we don't make them

486
00:21:14,420 --> 00:21:17,150
S2: have to stand out of the way to let another

487
00:21:17,150 --> 00:21:19,639
S2: man come to the top. I don't know, like this

488
00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,070
S2: is saying, even if we take which I disagree with

489
00:21:22,070 --> 00:21:25,580
S2: your imputation, that Taylor is deliberately trying to sabotage Billie

490
00:21:25,580 --> 00:21:27,590
S2: or to stay ahead of her, why is she not

491
00:21:27,590 --> 00:21:30,050
S2: allowed to have a competitive attitude, but.

492
00:21:30,050 --> 00:21:32,060
S3: At least do it the proper way and start releasing

493
00:21:32,060 --> 00:21:32,720
S3: diss tracks?

494
00:21:32,810 --> 00:21:33,619
S4: I don't know why.

495
00:21:34,220 --> 00:21:37,160
S3: What no, I do, I see this is very fun

496
00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,350
S3: for me to watch. Number one, I see the point

497
00:21:39,350 --> 00:21:41,209
S3: you're both making, but I do think I.

498
00:21:41,210 --> 00:21:42,890
S2: Know where you're gonna fall on this. And it does

499
00:21:42,890 --> 00:21:44,210
S2: not surprise me. No.

500
00:21:44,210 --> 00:21:47,730
S3: But like. I would say the same thing. I think, well,

501
00:21:47,730 --> 00:21:48,240
S3: we did, we did.

502
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,820
S1: We did do a whole episode on two men fighting

503
00:21:50,820 --> 00:21:53,490
S1: each other. And so it's fine for two women to

504
00:21:53,490 --> 00:21:56,040
S1: be competitive and want to, like, edge each other out.

505
00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,859
S1: But that's kind of the point. Like you're sort of

506
00:21:58,859 --> 00:22:01,680
S1: saying inside of this conversation saying, don't pit these people

507
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,080
S1: against each other. I'm like, oh, of Billy and Taylor

508
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,679
S1: are in an antagonistic relationship of a commercial album sales

509
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,680
S1: right now to get to number one, they're definitely allowed

510
00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:15,150
S1: to do that. I think the tactics and strategy of

511
00:22:15,150 --> 00:22:20,189
S1: Taylor choosing this particular moment. In terms of setting up

512
00:22:20,190 --> 00:22:23,100
S1: a competition with Billy in particular, and doing it not

513
00:22:23,100 --> 00:22:26,610
S1: through the actual release of tortured poets, but through this

514
00:22:26,609 --> 00:22:28,920
S1: modern way of just trying to rinse your fans for

515
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,260
S1: more money. It feels both. It feels crass to me

516
00:22:31,260 --> 00:22:33,060
S1: on a number of levels. It feels crass on the

517
00:22:33,060 --> 00:22:36,450
S1: level of you're just extracting more money from your desperate

518
00:22:36,450 --> 00:22:39,330
S1: fans who have this parasocial relationship with you when you're

519
00:22:39,330 --> 00:22:41,790
S1: already the wealthiest and most successful artist on the planet.

520
00:22:41,790 --> 00:22:44,100
S1: That's one. To me, that feels a little bit weird.

521
00:22:44,100 --> 00:22:46,860
S1: And two, you're doing it at a time where you

522
00:22:46,859 --> 00:22:50,909
S1: know you're stopping another young pop artist who is a

523
00:22:50,910 --> 00:22:54,419
S1: generation below you from receiving the number one, which is

524
00:22:54,420 --> 00:22:57,720
S1: a significant potential achievement. Both of those things, it's valid.

525
00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,190
S1: She's allowed to do it. I'm not saying she's not

526
00:22:59,190 --> 00:23:00,420
S1: allowed to do it. She should be sent to jail

527
00:23:00,420 --> 00:23:03,780
S1: for doing it. But it doesn't end with her looking

528
00:23:03,780 --> 00:23:05,250
S1: great in my in my view.

529
00:23:06,100 --> 00:23:08,650
S3: I do kind of agree with that. Shocking. No, I

530
00:23:08,650 --> 00:23:10,000
S3: do kind of agree with that though, because if it

531
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,190
S3: was a case of like, you know, Billy's album and

532
00:23:12,190 --> 00:23:13,840
S3: Taylor's album coming out on the same day, and then

533
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,180
S3: it was just like, it's a it's a fair competition.

534
00:23:16,180 --> 00:23:19,600
S3: But I think given we know how dominant and talented

535
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,260
S3: and just like the saturation levels of Taylor Swift, it

536
00:23:23,260 --> 00:23:25,690
S3: does make it feel. And there is already, I guess,

537
00:23:25,690 --> 00:23:28,510
S3: this like mythology around her that she is, you know,

538
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,689
S3: kind of suffocating the culture with her dominance, which is

539
00:23:31,690 --> 00:23:34,660
S3: not her fault. But then to actively, like, release this

540
00:23:34,660 --> 00:23:38,379
S3: fifth version with extra voice memos, like on the same

541
00:23:38,380 --> 00:23:40,869
S3: day that Billy's releasing her new album, it's like, you

542
00:23:40,869 --> 00:23:42,219
S3: know how this is all going to pan out and

543
00:23:42,220 --> 00:23:45,340
S3: it just doesn't lend itself to, you know, you.

544
00:23:45,340 --> 00:23:49,330
S2: Liking Taylor Swift anymore? Well, look, I think we're going

545
00:23:49,330 --> 00:23:51,370
S2: to have to disagree on this one.

546
00:23:51,369 --> 00:23:56,290
S1: Well, look, Taylor Swift did get another victory literally today

547
00:23:56,290 --> 00:24:01,570
S1: in the Apple Music Top 100 albums of all time. Uh,

548
00:24:01,570 --> 00:24:04,119
S1: this is something that Apple has been doing over ten days.

549
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,970
S1: They released ten albums in the countdown each day. They're

550
00:24:06,970 --> 00:24:10,060
S1: saying that this is not based on like streaming numbers.

551
00:24:10,060 --> 00:24:14,710
S1: It's just an editorial, subjective viewpoint based on this panel

552
00:24:14,710 --> 00:24:18,670
S1: of experts and some musicians that they've got. There's kind

553
00:24:18,670 --> 00:24:20,949
S1: of interesting stuff to talk about with this one, but

554
00:24:20,950 --> 00:24:23,679
S1: I reckon we could start with running through the top

555
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:28,990
S1: ten countdown of of the top Apple albums of all time,

556
00:24:28,990 --> 00:24:31,660
S1: starting from number ten, working our way to number one,

557
00:24:31,869 --> 00:24:36,580
S1: it's Lemonade by Beyoncé, never mind by Nirvana, back to black,

558
00:24:36,580 --> 00:24:40,510
S1: Amy Winehouse, Good kid, Mad City by Kendrick Lamar. Songs.

559
00:24:40,510 --> 00:24:43,389
S1: In the Key of Life by Stevie Wonder. Blonde by

560
00:24:43,390 --> 00:24:48,879
S1: Frank ocean. Purple rain, by Prince Abbey. Road, by The Beatles. Thriller,

561
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,900
S1: by Michael Jackson. Number one. The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill,

562
00:24:52,930 --> 00:24:53,950
S1: by Lauryn Hill.

563
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:55,590
S3: Played dual.

564
00:24:56,910 --> 00:24:58,139
S4: Um takes.

565
00:24:58,140 --> 00:25:00,570
S1: On that top ten. Firstly, how how do you guys

566
00:25:00,570 --> 00:25:01,380
S1: feel about it?

567
00:25:01,380 --> 00:25:03,930
S3: Yeah, it's really weird. I mean, Mel and I spoke

568
00:25:03,930 --> 00:25:07,710
S3: about this beforehand. These lists are designed, I guess, for

569
00:25:07,710 --> 00:25:10,680
S3: conversations like this. Um, you know, they are always going

570
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,470
S3: to be controversial. I saw someone post that being like,

571
00:25:13,470 --> 00:25:16,500
S3: was this list designed to exclusively make me angry? And

572
00:25:16,500 --> 00:25:19,530
S3: the answer probably is yes. Like there is absolutely no.

573
00:25:19,530 --> 00:25:21,180
S3: You know, we don't like it isn't based on any

574
00:25:21,180 --> 00:25:23,280
S3: kind of data. It's just like a bunch of nameless

575
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,640
S3: people creating a list that then is released into, you know,

576
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:30,060
S3: the internet, and then off we go to discuss it, like,

577
00:25:30,060 --> 00:25:32,760
S3: I mean, and the other hard thing is like when

578
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,130
S3: there is no kind of criteria, these are all great albums.

579
00:25:35,130 --> 00:25:37,379
S3: You could possibly make an argument for many of them

580
00:25:37,380 --> 00:25:39,330
S3: to be number one, except I don't know how blonde

581
00:25:39,330 --> 00:25:40,770
S3: got on there, even though I love that album.

582
00:25:40,770 --> 00:25:42,810
S1: Yeah, I want to talk about some of the some

583
00:25:42,810 --> 00:25:44,940
S1: of the things about why that album from that artist

584
00:25:44,940 --> 00:25:45,389
S1: as well.

585
00:25:45,390 --> 00:25:48,570
S3: Yeah, yeah, it's really weird. Um, but yeah, I guess

586
00:25:48,570 --> 00:25:52,290
S3: like and especially starting at the top, I suppose like

587
00:25:52,290 --> 00:25:54,929
S3: Lauryn Hill, The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill, one of my

588
00:25:54,930 --> 00:25:58,650
S3: favorite albums. So great, but I, I don't even know

589
00:25:58,650 --> 00:26:00,150
S3: what my number one album would be, but I don't

590
00:26:00,150 --> 00:26:02,310
S3: know if it would be that I.

591
00:26:02,310 --> 00:26:04,830
S2: Was happy with The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill as number one,

592
00:26:04,830 --> 00:26:08,159
S2: I could. I'm comfortable. I think that fits quite nicely there.

593
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:09,960
S2: I don't know the top ten. None of them were

594
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,990
S2: really surprising to me. I think they're all worthy places

595
00:26:12,990 --> 00:26:14,369
S2: in the top ten. Could they have been in the

596
00:26:14,369 --> 00:26:16,950
S2: top 20 and others have been in there? Sure, I

597
00:26:16,950 --> 00:26:19,050
S2: don't know. I do take these lists, as Thomas was saying,

598
00:26:19,050 --> 00:26:22,200
S2: with a with a grain of salt, because obviously they're

599
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,649
S2: hugely subjective and I don't know actually how useful they are.

600
00:26:25,650 --> 00:26:28,710
S2: But yeah, all those albums deserve a place in top ten.

601
00:26:29,190 --> 00:26:31,980
S2: So yeah, I wasn't shocked by any. Yeah, I feel.

602
00:26:31,980 --> 00:26:35,850
S1: Like the list making is sort of partly let's make

603
00:26:35,850 --> 00:26:38,460
S1: some people angry. And partly we just need to, like,

604
00:26:38,460 --> 00:26:41,700
S1: mention every giant act from the past 70 years somewhere

605
00:26:41,700 --> 00:26:44,159
S1: so people don't actually kill us. So there's got to

606
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,170
S1: be a Beatles record. There's got to be a Michael

607
00:26:46,170 --> 00:26:49,530
S1: Jackson record. There's got to be Nirvana. Because, you know,

608
00:26:49,530 --> 00:26:52,140
S1: even though that genre of music is dead, it was

609
00:26:52,140 --> 00:26:53,639
S1: a big album for a bunch of people or on

610
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,220
S1: our platform. So it's almost feels like a little bit

611
00:26:56,220 --> 00:27:00,300
S1: focus grouped now as well. Um, it was interesting doing

612
00:27:00,300 --> 00:27:03,210
S1: the breakdown by genre. Hip hop was the most represented

613
00:27:03,210 --> 00:27:07,920
S1: genre with 21 tracks, uh, rock, uh, then second with

614
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,070
S1: 18 and pop, third with 16. That's what it feels,

615
00:27:11,070 --> 00:27:14,220
S1: you know, feels right in terms of what is generally considered,

616
00:27:14,220 --> 00:27:19,470
S1: you know, really iconic albums. Taylor Swift, uh, she with 1989,

617
00:27:19,470 --> 00:27:22,950
S1: Taylor's version was at number 18, Billie Eilish with When

618
00:27:22,950 --> 00:27:24,929
S1: We All Fall Asleep, Where do We go? 30. So

619
00:27:24,930 --> 00:27:28,470
S1: that's another victory for Taylor Swift over Billie this week.

620
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,800
S2: Oh, no. Better take it down a notch.

621
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,350
S3: Weird that there is no John Mayer.

622
00:27:36,090 --> 00:27:36,780
S4: Um, so.

623
00:27:36,780 --> 00:27:38,940
S1: Yeah, let's talk about some of the ones that stood

624
00:27:38,940 --> 00:27:41,850
S1: out to me as being a little bit odd, like blonde.

625
00:27:41,850 --> 00:27:44,250
S1: Fine album, but like it's better than Channel Orange. Since

626
00:27:44,250 --> 00:27:47,370
S1: when did we agree that that was a thing that

627
00:27:47,369 --> 00:27:50,100
S1: that that was that was a thing? Basically. I'm not

628
00:27:50,100 --> 00:27:51,480
S1: crazy for thinking that, right?

629
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:56,550
S3: No. Definitely not. That was the weirdest edition to me. Um, like, yeah,

630
00:27:56,550 --> 00:27:59,700
S3: I mean, good kid, m.A.A.d city. Fair enough. I don't know,

631
00:27:59,700 --> 00:28:02,040
S3: it's a very strange list, but yeah, definitely Frank ocean

632
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,949
S3: has like, obviously he's got like, nudes of someone at

633
00:28:04,950 --> 00:28:06,960
S3: Apple because he's snuck onto that list.

634
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,230
S2: Yeah, like I could have easily replaced him with like, rumours.

635
00:28:10,230 --> 00:28:14,280
S2: Even Adele's 21 blue Joni Mitchell. I feel like there

636
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,230
S2: were a lot of others that could have been substituted

637
00:28:16,230 --> 00:28:17,040
S2: for that. I was gonna say.

638
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,350
S3: The Chronic Doctor Dre in at 19, I love.

639
00:28:19,350 --> 00:28:19,890
S4: The most.

640
00:28:19,890 --> 00:28:22,890
S1: Um, the most egregious thing on this list, though, genuinely

641
00:28:22,890 --> 00:28:26,760
S1: to me, is My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy being 26.

642
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,910
S1: And maybe that's like a Kanye is insane thing, but

643
00:28:29,910 --> 00:28:32,280
S1: it's like, okay, we're gonna have Michael Jackson and like,

644
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:36,450
S1: various cooked artists in the top ten. What's the argument

645
00:28:36,450 --> 00:28:38,400
S1: for not putting what is widely considered one of the

646
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,600
S1: most groundbreaking albums of history outside the top 25? Like that?

647
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:43,950
S1: That's strange to me.

648
00:28:43,950 --> 00:28:45,240
S3: Did Eminem make the list?

649
00:28:45,660 --> 00:28:47,550
S1: Don't believe Eminem made the list.

650
00:28:47,790 --> 00:28:48,840
S2: Oh no no no, the.

651
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,030
S4: Marshall are true. Number 80. Yeah, there you go.

652
00:28:51,030 --> 00:28:51,870
S2: Number 80.

653
00:28:52,020 --> 00:28:53,460
S3: So we can cut this. But did John Mayer actually

654
00:28:53,460 --> 00:28:54,360
S3: not make the list at all?

655
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,340
S1: John Mayer why would John May make the list?

656
00:28:56,370 --> 00:28:58,110
S4: John may make the list.

657
00:28:58,110 --> 00:29:00,420
S2: What did he have? One song, my body is a Wonderland.

658
00:29:00,420 --> 00:29:01,470
S4: No, no.

659
00:29:01,470 --> 00:29:02,100
S3: Fucking.

660
00:29:02,100 --> 00:29:04,170
S2: John Mayer deserve to make the list via Taylor. And

661
00:29:04,170 --> 00:29:04,830
S2: that's it.

662
00:29:05,190 --> 00:29:05,820
S3: That's this.

663
00:29:05,820 --> 00:29:06,630
S4: Is I mean, like.

664
00:29:06,630 --> 00:29:09,240
S1: We all of us have been involved, you know, in

665
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,360
S1: making these kinds of lists and that kind of fun. And,

666
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,400
S1: you know, Mel, you did one not that long ago

667
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,010
S1: with all of the Kylie Minogue songs. And and it's

668
00:29:17,010 --> 00:29:19,140
S1: pretty interesting and you know, that it's going to spark

669
00:29:19,140 --> 00:29:20,910
S1: a debate. You know, that's part of the reason it's

670
00:29:20,910 --> 00:29:22,770
S1: about people saying, I love that. I don't love that.

671
00:29:22,770 --> 00:29:26,010
S1: I want that moved around. One of the things I find.

672
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,470
S1: Odd about lists is that they're never going to be objective, right?

673
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:33,470
S1: You've got different people with different perspectives, and there are

674
00:29:33,470 --> 00:29:37,340
S1: obviously some arguments being had around like why that album? Why?

675
00:29:37,340 --> 00:29:41,000
S1: Why is it 19 and not 17? I find that

676
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:45,020
S1: conversation more interesting than the end result itself. Like I'd

677
00:29:45,020 --> 00:29:46,790
S1: way rather see the working out of the conversation. I

678
00:29:46,790 --> 00:29:49,010
S1: don't know if Apple is going to release like videos

679
00:29:49,010 --> 00:29:51,800
S1: of the producers or the. I think there's some artists

680
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,040
S1: like Charli XCX and Bad Bunny involved in these conversations.

681
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,370
S1: I'd love to watch those guys arguing and talking through like,

682
00:29:58,370 --> 00:30:01,700
S1: that's interesting. Criticism isn't just a number out of ten,

683
00:30:01,700 --> 00:30:03,770
S1: or isn't just a ranking on a list, but people

684
00:30:03,770 --> 00:30:08,210
S1: justifying why Miseducation of Lauryn Hill deserves to be number

685
00:30:08,210 --> 00:30:11,870
S1: one versus other albums. And when you just get the list,

686
00:30:11,870 --> 00:30:14,690
S1: it feels a bit reductive and pointless at that point.

687
00:30:14,690 --> 00:30:17,630
S2: Yeah, I agree, I think Apple and we should demand

688
00:30:17,630 --> 00:30:20,660
S2: that Apple release the marking scorecards for this so that

689
00:30:20,660 --> 00:30:23,150
S2: we can see how they were graded and judged and

690
00:30:23,150 --> 00:30:26,480
S2: who ranked what where. That's definitely more interesting. But I

691
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,190
S2: do think these lists are fun, aren't they? Because they

692
00:30:28,190 --> 00:30:31,220
S2: do let you kind of see your own musical education

693
00:30:31,220 --> 00:30:34,190
S2: and revisit albums, discover new albums. I haven't listened to

694
00:30:34,190 --> 00:30:36,800
S2: quite a few of these albums, and some I haven't

695
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,110
S2: listened to for some time, so I also find that

696
00:30:39,110 --> 00:30:40,640
S2: they do have a value in that sense.

697
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,890
S3: Well, the blueprint is super high by Jay-Z, so I'm

698
00:30:42,890 --> 00:30:44,450
S3: actually just going through the list officially now.

699
00:30:44,450 --> 00:30:45,710
S1: Why is this the first? You're the one who wanted

700
00:30:45,710 --> 00:30:47,090
S1: to talk about this, and this seems like the first

701
00:30:47,090 --> 00:30:49,010
S1: time you've read the list on there.

702
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:49,550
S4: Huh?

703
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,160
S3: I didn't look at the full list. But anyway.

704
00:30:52,220 --> 00:30:52,700
S4: Three.

705
00:30:52,700 --> 00:30:57,500
S1: Members of the Knowles-carter family with four albums Beyonce and Jay-Z,

706
00:30:57,500 --> 00:31:01,520
S1: that's that's pretty strong representation. It's like 4% of the list.

707
00:31:01,730 --> 00:31:03,170
S2: Yeah, they're a big deal.

708
00:31:03,170 --> 00:31:06,800
S3: And as far as I can tell, oh only is AC,

709
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,780
S3: DC the only Australian act on the list.

710
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,780
S1: Yeah Australia copping some ls there who the Australian do

711
00:31:11,780 --> 00:31:13,730
S1: would have like to see up there.

712
00:31:13,730 --> 00:31:19,220
S3: Troy Cassar-daley I mean obviously Troy Cassar-daley uh Brad Cox

713
00:31:19,220 --> 00:31:21,290
S3: kid Laroi uh, no, I think like I'm kind of

714
00:31:21,290 --> 00:31:23,750
S3: surprised that I thought like these types of lists especially,

715
00:31:23,750 --> 00:31:25,430
S3: I would have seen like maybe Tame Impala on the

716
00:31:25,430 --> 00:31:26,720
S3: list or something. Oh yeah.

717
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:28,790
S2: I can see there's a there's a case for that.

718
00:31:36,180 --> 00:31:40,890
S1: All right, let's talk, Furiosa, before we get into this film.

719
00:31:40,890 --> 00:31:43,920
S1: The latest installment in the mad Max franchise. Where are

720
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,890
S1: you guys at with mad Max? You fans of the

721
00:31:46,890 --> 00:31:50,340
S1: earlier films, your fans of Fury Road. How do you

722
00:31:50,340 --> 00:31:55,260
S1: feel about the post-apocalyptic world cooked up by George Miller?

723
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,880
S2: I am a huge mad Max fan. Um, and I

724
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,220
S2: have seen all of them up to the latest one,

725
00:32:01,220 --> 00:32:04,100
S2: and I think it's very easy as much as I mean,

726
00:32:04,100 --> 00:32:05,780
S2: I think the films are good in and of themselves,

727
00:32:05,780 --> 00:32:08,810
S2: but I also think the significance of the film culturally

728
00:32:08,810 --> 00:32:11,060
S2: is what's really interesting. And it's easy to forget so

729
00:32:11,060 --> 00:32:14,540
S2: many decades on from the first mad Max, just how

730
00:32:14,540 --> 00:32:17,570
S2: huge it was for Australian cinema at the time, because

731
00:32:17,570 --> 00:32:19,880
S2: it was during that ozploitation phase of the 70s and

732
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,570
S2: 80s these kind of budget films with these shaky cams

733
00:32:23,570 --> 00:32:27,290
S2: and mad Max cut through and it cut through globally,

734
00:32:27,290 --> 00:32:30,500
S2: and it showed that Australia could do action with an

735
00:32:30,500 --> 00:32:33,410
S2: Australian accent on it. And then these films have kind

736
00:32:33,410 --> 00:32:38,720
S2: of been so significant globally and also for filmmaking in Australia.

737
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,940
S2: Pretty much all of them, apart from one has been

738
00:32:40,940 --> 00:32:45,320
S2: shot in Australia. So I think their role in Australia's

739
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,890
S2: cinematic history and relevance globally is often kind of overlooked

740
00:32:48,890 --> 00:32:51,620
S2: only because it was such a gap between the first

741
00:32:51,620 --> 00:32:54,380
S2: films and then kind of Fury Road in 2015, and

742
00:32:54,380 --> 00:32:56,990
S2: this one, now that you kind of forget the original

743
00:32:56,990 --> 00:33:00,320
S2: origin story of where this franchise has grown from. And

744
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,660
S2: I mean, I think like also when it came out

745
00:33:02,660 --> 00:33:04,760
S2: in the 80s, a lot of the kind of desert

746
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,940
S2: stories in Australian fiction and sorry, now I feel like

747
00:33:07,940 --> 00:33:09,590
S2: I'm giving like a Ted talk or something.

748
00:33:09,710 --> 00:33:10,670
S4: Keep going. You're cooking.

749
00:33:10,670 --> 00:33:13,760
S2: In. Yeah. Well, a lot of the, you know, the

750
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,100
S2: films leading up, when you had films and stories about

751
00:33:16,100 --> 00:33:19,760
S2: going into the desert, the desert was often this kind

752
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,400
S2: of unknown place. It was this real colonial lands. And

753
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,400
S2: then mad Max came along, and the desert is wild

754
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,120
S2: and barren, but it's because of what humans have done

755
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:30,920
S2: to it. It's because of what white people have done

756
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,770
S2: to it. They've overfarmed it. They've exploited it for oil.

757
00:33:33,770 --> 00:33:35,450
S2: So I always thought that was really interesting about the

758
00:33:35,450 --> 00:33:38,600
S2: films as well. And it was a very early example

759
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:42,140
S2: of like climate fiction too. And like, you know, water

760
00:33:42,140 --> 00:33:45,950
S2: and drought have have always been central to these films. So, uh, yeah,

761
00:33:45,950 --> 00:33:48,290
S2: for that reason, I really do like mad Max.

762
00:33:48,950 --> 00:33:50,300
S4: Great. That was a very it.

763
00:33:50,300 --> 00:33:52,550
S2: Was that was an that's an extensive relationship.

764
00:33:53,420 --> 00:33:54,740
S1: Said great. Great explanation.

765
00:33:55,010 --> 00:33:57,950
S3: Yeah. As above, I agree. I know I like my

766
00:33:57,950 --> 00:33:59,690
S3: mum and dad were really into them growing up. I

767
00:33:59,690 --> 00:34:02,670
S3: hadn't actually watched the original three until like maybe 4

768
00:34:02,670 --> 00:34:05,810
S3: or 5 years ago, kind of maybe around the time that, um,

769
00:34:05,810 --> 00:34:09,290
S3: Fury Road came out. But yeah, I've like I mean, look,

770
00:34:09,290 --> 00:34:11,480
S3: as we've discussed previously and today on this pod, I'm

771
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,569
S3: not a big fan of like, sand related epic films,

772
00:34:14,570 --> 00:34:17,840
S3: but this I will make an exception. Uh, and yeah,

773
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,540
S3: I mean, I thought Furiosa was amazing. We'll obviously get

774
00:34:20,540 --> 00:34:22,850
S3: into it, but yeah, I've always been here for the

775
00:34:22,850 --> 00:34:26,270
S3: mad Max universe. Um, and I guess, like it was

776
00:34:26,270 --> 00:34:28,940
S3: really the making of Mel Gibson. He's obviously become a

777
00:34:28,940 --> 00:34:32,210
S3: strange figure for like, people to process now, especially Australians.

778
00:34:32,210 --> 00:34:34,880
S3: But that early era Mel Gibson like man, he was

779
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,469
S3: on one with some of those films and it all

780
00:34:36,469 --> 00:34:37,670
S3: really started with mad Max.

781
00:34:37,670 --> 00:34:39,620
S2: I love that Taylor gets demon in a mel Gibson

782
00:34:39,620 --> 00:34:40,730
S2: gets strange.

783
00:34:40,850 --> 00:34:41,570
S4: I mean.

784
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:43,549
S3: That's just a demon.

785
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:45,950
S4: He definitely didn't say that.

786
00:34:47,150 --> 00:34:49,190
S1: Um, I went through our archives with the help of

787
00:34:49,190 --> 00:34:52,220
S1: our wonderful library staff here at the Herald, and asked

788
00:34:52,219 --> 00:34:55,820
S1: them to dig up, like, our coverage of mad Max

789
00:34:55,820 --> 00:34:58,430
S1: when it was first released. And interestingly, the first reference

790
00:34:58,430 --> 00:35:00,140
S1: is in 77. So a couple of years before the

791
00:35:00,140 --> 00:35:03,320
S1: movie came out, and it's like this doctor from Queensland,

792
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:07,850
S1: George Miller, has managed to get together $350,000 to make this,

793
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,690
S1: you know, weird apocalyptic movie that's about cars. And then

794
00:35:11,690 --> 00:35:14,960
S1: a few months after that, it's like two nighter graduates

795
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,839
S1: cast in their first film, Mel Gibson and Steve Bisley.

796
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,420
S1: They're ready to give real acting a go. It's so

797
00:35:20,420 --> 00:35:23,270
S1: odd to think that is the genesis of what became

798
00:35:23,270 --> 00:35:27,860
S1: the biggest Australian film franchise in history. And funnily enough,

799
00:35:27,860 --> 00:35:31,880
S1: I also looked up our first review of mad Max

800
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,250
S1: in the Sydney Morning Herald. It was not good.

801
00:35:34,460 --> 00:35:35,420
S4: Um, did Mel Ryder.

802
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,130
S1: The reviewer? Uh meled. Dubois, who wrote, reviewed a lot

803
00:35:40,130 --> 00:35:42,290
S1: of movies for the Herald I think in the 70s,

804
00:35:42,290 --> 00:35:47,570
S1: said the movie was brutal but lacked social value. She

805
00:35:47,570 --> 00:35:50,239
S1: was not into, I guess, some of the violence, and

806
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,419
S1: I have to say, I don't know when the last

807
00:35:53,420 --> 00:35:56,180
S1: time you watched, like the first mad Max was, but

808
00:35:56,180 --> 00:35:59,690
S1: I rewatched it in anticipation for Furiosa. It is way

809
00:35:59,690 --> 00:36:02,720
S1: more depraved and violent than I remember, like a brilliant movie.

810
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,630
S1: But there is some very, very intense stuff, and I think,

811
00:36:05,630 --> 00:36:07,549
S1: you know, it's in service of the plot. It's not

812
00:36:07,550 --> 00:36:09,950
S1: just there for the sake of it, but it's kind

813
00:36:09,950 --> 00:36:12,650
S1: of crazy to think that this, you know, this, this

814
00:36:12,650 --> 00:36:15,800
S1: kind of Australian exploitation movie, as you said, Mel, influenced

815
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,970
S1: by George Miller's work as a doctor in Queensland treating

816
00:36:19,969 --> 00:36:24,350
S1: car crash victims, became this huge franchise and what is

817
00:36:24,350 --> 00:36:26,960
S1: now the most expensive Australian film ever. It's such a

818
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,600
S1: fascinating journey from that film to where we are now.

819
00:36:29,750 --> 00:36:32,810
S2: Yeah, totally. And like the aesthetics are so completely different.

820
00:36:32,810 --> 00:36:35,960
S2: As you said, it's such a dark, kind of austere

821
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,020
S2: film in a way. Real revenge narrative. After his family

822
00:36:39,020 --> 00:36:42,410
S2: is killed to the kind of hyper saturation that Fury

823
00:36:42,410 --> 00:36:45,470
S2: Road and Furiosa are known for. It has been a

824
00:36:45,469 --> 00:36:47,300
S2: really interesting journey, but I think that's also part of

825
00:36:47,300 --> 00:36:49,280
S2: why I like it. Like, you know, even the shift

826
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:53,150
S2: towards different gender roles in the characters, with Furiosa essentially

827
00:36:53,150 --> 00:36:56,000
S2: replacing mad Max, which I'm sure we'll talk about. Is

828
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,029
S2: is an interesting like how that franchise is adapting and

829
00:36:59,030 --> 00:37:00,110
S2: reflecting what George Miller.

830
00:37:00,530 --> 00:37:01,190
S4: Mad Max has gone.

831
00:37:01,190 --> 00:37:02,540
S1: Woke is what you're saying.

832
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:02,990
S4: Yeah.

833
00:37:03,620 --> 00:37:06,109
S2: I don't think that's quite what I'm saying. But yeah,

834
00:37:06,110 --> 00:37:08,540
S2: I do think that I actually think, to be fair,

835
00:37:08,540 --> 00:37:11,570
S2: they have done those changes in a good way, like

836
00:37:11,570 --> 00:37:13,400
S2: in an interesting way. Like I actually don't think it

837
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,140
S2: comes across as overly woke.

838
00:37:15,140 --> 00:37:18,320
S4: Do you know? Sorry, I didn't mean to. I think

839
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:18,770
S4: it's just more.

840
00:37:18,770 --> 00:37:20,299
S1: And we'll talk about this when we get into furious.

841
00:37:20,300 --> 00:37:23,719
S1: I think he's yeah. More explicit engagement with very contemporary

842
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,990
S1: political themes is much more noticeable in the last couple

843
00:37:26,989 --> 00:37:29,989
S1: of films. His his filmography is crazy. He makes the

844
00:37:29,989 --> 00:37:32,779
S1: three mad Max films, then he goes on a detour

845
00:37:32,780 --> 00:37:35,870
S1: with like Babe and Babe, Pig in the city, Happy

846
00:37:35,870 --> 00:37:38,000
S1: Feet one and Happy Feet two, and he's like, you

847
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,430
S1: know what I'm doing Fury Road, man, we got we

848
00:37:40,430 --> 00:37:40,670
S1: got to.

849
00:37:40,670 --> 00:37:41,419
S4: Go back to mad.

850
00:37:41,420 --> 00:37:45,170
S1: Max. It is such a strange, um, strange journey for

851
00:37:45,170 --> 00:37:48,890
S1: a director who started in Oz exploitation land. Mel, you

852
00:37:48,890 --> 00:37:53,030
S1: unfortunately weren't able to see Furiosa this week. You were unwell. Um, so.

853
00:37:53,030 --> 00:37:55,430
S1: So Thomas and I will probably, uh, do most of

854
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:57,230
S1: the chatting in this one, but but, you know, jump

855
00:37:57,230 --> 00:38:01,339
S1: in at any moment with your thoughts or questions. All right.

856
00:38:01,340 --> 00:38:05,239
S1: So Furiosa, prequel to Fury Road, starring Anya Taylor-Joy as

857
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,330
S1: a younger version of the character played by Charlize Theron

858
00:38:08,330 --> 00:38:11,720
S1: in Fury Road, and Chris Hemsworth as her key antagonist.

859
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:15,859
S1: He's a kind of nomadic warlord called Dementors. The movie

860
00:38:15,860 --> 00:38:18,950
S1: opens with a young Furiosa played in the first section

861
00:38:18,950 --> 00:38:21,500
S1: of the film, actually by a young Australian actress, uh,

862
00:38:21,500 --> 00:38:24,980
S1: Leila Brown. Uh, being snatched from the Green Place is

863
00:38:24,980 --> 00:38:29,509
S1: kind of idyllic Paradise in this otherwise post-apocalyptic hellscape by

864
00:38:29,510 --> 00:38:32,990
S1: a group of bikers who take her to Hemsworth's Dementors.

865
00:38:32,989 --> 00:38:37,160
S1: She tries unsuccessfully to escape before being traded to Immortan Joe,

866
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:39,590
S1: who rules over the Citadel, which is the key location

867
00:38:39,590 --> 00:38:41,990
S1: for most of the action in Fury Road took place.

868
00:38:41,989 --> 00:38:44,510
S1: She eventually does escape. She blends into the world of

869
00:38:44,510 --> 00:38:47,299
S1: the Citadel. She plots her eventual escape back to the

870
00:38:47,300 --> 00:38:51,290
S1: Green Place and revenge on Dementors. Uh, in this movie,

871
00:38:51,290 --> 00:38:56,060
S1: there's significantly more world building than we got in Fury Road,

872
00:38:56,060 --> 00:38:58,880
S1: which was kind of just like a straightforward road movie

873
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,340
S1: and a chase film. Other than The Citadel, we got

874
00:39:01,340 --> 00:39:04,460
S1: hints of this broader world in this, in this landscape,

875
00:39:04,460 --> 00:39:07,279
S1: but we didn't see them. But in Furiosa, places like

876
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,860
S1: Gas Town and The Bullet Farm, which were alluded to,

877
00:39:09,890 --> 00:39:12,230
S1: I kind of fully realized, and the action takes place

878
00:39:12,230 --> 00:39:15,410
S1: in and around a kind of universe that is more

879
00:39:15,410 --> 00:39:18,170
S1: fleshed out. I think there's also a really interesting stretch

880
00:39:18,170 --> 00:39:21,530
S1: of the film where Furiosa teams up with a very

881
00:39:21,530 --> 00:39:25,310
S1: mad Max like character. Uh, this guy called Praetorian Jack,

882
00:39:25,310 --> 00:39:27,920
S1: played by Tom Burke. I really enjoyed that element of

883
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:29,690
S1: it as well. It's kind of like we've got a

884
00:39:29,690 --> 00:39:31,910
S1: story that is very different. It's about a different character,

885
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:33,950
S1: but we know that people also want to see a

886
00:39:33,950 --> 00:39:36,920
S1: guy in a leather jacket driving cars around. So let's

887
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,590
S1: include him in this too. I think the biggest challenge

888
00:39:39,590 --> 00:39:43,250
S1: the film faced is the obvious comparison to Fury Road.

889
00:39:43,250 --> 00:39:47,330
S1: Largely considered widely considered to be one of the best

890
00:39:47,330 --> 00:39:50,870
S1: action films of this century. I think when you get

891
00:39:50,870 --> 00:39:52,730
S1: over that and you realize that, yes, this movie is

892
00:39:52,730 --> 00:39:54,740
S1: obviously a prequel, it's set in the same universe. It's

893
00:39:54,739 --> 00:39:56,930
S1: not trying to tell the same kind of story. It's

894
00:39:56,930 --> 00:39:59,570
S1: trying to do something a little bit different and and

895
00:39:59,570 --> 00:40:02,989
S1: something with a bit more scope, more history, I think

896
00:40:02,989 --> 00:40:05,540
S1: some more broader political scope as well. Like, I think

897
00:40:05,540 --> 00:40:09,859
S1: Fury Road focused on feminism and environmental destruction here. There's

898
00:40:09,860 --> 00:40:12,440
S1: a lot of that. There's also a lot of talk

899
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,680
S1: about humanity's just inability to stop going to war with

900
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,140
S1: one another, and the damage that is doing on both

901
00:40:18,140 --> 00:40:21,020
S1: a personal and community level. And I think there's some

902
00:40:21,020 --> 00:40:24,020
S1: playing around with, like, interesting ideas around class as well.

903
00:40:24,020 --> 00:40:26,570
S1: I watch this movie in Imax. It looked and sounded

904
00:40:26,570 --> 00:40:30,650
S1: awesome for me. The real highlight is Chris Hemsworth as Dementors.

905
00:40:30,650 --> 00:40:33,440
S1: He's brilliant. He's having a lot of fun. He's bringing

906
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:37,610
S1: this kind of Shakespearean lunatic presence to the stage. I

907
00:40:37,610 --> 00:40:40,969
S1: think he kind of outshined Anya in a lot of scenes,

908
00:40:40,969 --> 00:40:43,460
S1: but I think she did a really great job as well,

909
00:40:43,460 --> 00:40:47,660
S1: channeling that kind of quiet fury that Charlize, uh, really,

910
00:40:47,660 --> 00:40:50,540
S1: really displayed in Fury Road. I had an awesome time

911
00:40:50,540 --> 00:40:53,149
S1: with this movie overall. Thomas, what did you think?

912
00:40:54,110 --> 00:40:58,460
S3: Yeah, I really liked it. Um, I agree that I,

913
00:40:58,460 --> 00:41:00,859
S3: we actually having this conversation not too long ago where

914
00:41:00,860 --> 00:41:03,560
S3: it was like, Is Chris Hemsworth a good actor? Like,

915
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:07,580
S3: we all know, he's really famous and like jacked and

916
00:41:07,580 --> 00:41:09,950
S3: he's in Marvel movies and stuff, but like, has he

917
00:41:09,950 --> 00:41:12,320
S3: ever done anything where you're like, wow, that was like

918
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,080
S3: Chris Hemsworth, like kind of owned that. And this I

919
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,359
S3: think is that movie, um, kind of from the first

920
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,819
S3: time you meet Dementors, it's like, wow, he's got, you know,

921
00:41:19,910 --> 00:41:22,010
S3: kind of some prosthetics. They've made him like, it still

922
00:41:22,010 --> 00:41:24,350
S3: looks like Chris Hemsworth in prosthetics, but he looks a

923
00:41:24,350 --> 00:41:26,600
S3: bit weird. And pretty quickly I was like, okay, like,

924
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:28,910
S3: he's going for this. Almost like Jack Sparrow meets like,

925
00:41:28,910 --> 00:41:31,160
S3: Heath ledger as the Joker. He's kind of like, almost

926
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,740
S3: a bit camp. And he the way he speaks is

927
00:41:33,739 --> 00:41:35,629
S3: really interesting. I don't know, the whole thing. I was like, okay,

928
00:41:35,630 --> 00:41:37,820
S3: I'm here for this. And I did think he kind

929
00:41:37,820 --> 00:41:42,560
S3: of stole the movie. Um, yeah. Like visually it was

930
00:41:42,650 --> 00:41:44,419
S3: like I also saw it in Imax. I almost think

931
00:41:44,420 --> 00:41:46,399
S3: you're doing yourself a disservice if you don't see this

932
00:41:46,430 --> 00:41:49,730
S3: in Imax. Um, and like even the way the movie sounds,

933
00:41:49,730 --> 00:41:52,520
S3: everything about it was like, it's such a movie going experience.

934
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,080
S3: And it was funny, like looking in it was like

935
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,270
S3: Imax was packed. And you could see people, like, actively

936
00:41:57,270 --> 00:41:59,280
S3: like sitting back in their chairs as if they were being, like,

937
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:03,120
S3: forced back by the actual, like, weight of the film. Um, yeah.

938
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,460
S3: It was it was incredible. It did definitely feel like,

939
00:42:05,460 --> 00:42:07,379
S3: as you said, I feel like Fury Road is widely

940
00:42:07,380 --> 00:42:09,989
S3: accepted now as this like, wow, that is, you know,

941
00:42:09,989 --> 00:42:13,529
S3: the kind of benchmark for a modern action film. And

942
00:42:13,530 --> 00:42:17,310
S3: this felt a little bit more like drifting into the

943
00:42:17,310 --> 00:42:19,710
S3: Marvel territory of, like, are we being set up for

944
00:42:19,710 --> 00:42:22,920
S3: the mad Max universe completely now? Because we did, you know,

945
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,980
S3: see a lot more of the wasteland universe? And will

946
00:42:25,980 --> 00:42:28,320
S3: there be like, like, will it be another eight years

947
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:29,730
S3: before we get another mad Max, or will it be

948
00:42:29,730 --> 00:42:31,620
S3: like two or something like, Will we.

949
00:42:31,620 --> 00:42:34,049
S1: Get, you know, the mad Max TV show spin offs,

950
00:42:34,050 --> 00:42:37,290
S1: exploring certain characters? I think that's potentially something that could

951
00:42:37,290 --> 00:42:37,980
S1: happen here.

952
00:42:37,980 --> 00:42:40,380
S3: Yeah, it does feel a little bit like that. Or

953
00:42:40,380 --> 00:42:42,479
S3: maybe George Miller, like, hands the IP over to someone

954
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,280
S3: else and they do make a, you know, ten part

955
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,950
S3: Disney show out of it or whatever. And then I did,

956
00:42:46,950 --> 00:42:49,110
S3: even though I like enjoyed the film, I walked away

957
00:42:49,110 --> 00:42:52,109
S3: thinking like, oh, it does feel perhaps like Hollywood has

958
00:42:52,110 --> 00:42:54,780
S3: kind of got its claws in the mad Max franchise

959
00:42:54,780 --> 00:42:56,279
S3: now and are we going to get like an Immortan

960
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,680
S3: Joe ten parter? Or, you know, like, are we going

961
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:00,630
S3: to start to see it diluted and broken down and

962
00:43:00,630 --> 00:43:02,160
S3: like basically sold off for parts?

963
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,010
S1: Yeah, I mean, George Miller is 79 now. People said

964
00:43:05,010 --> 00:43:07,980
S1: that when Fury Road came out, it was that was

965
00:43:07,980 --> 00:43:10,020
S1: going to be the last one. I think it's amazing

966
00:43:10,020 --> 00:43:11,790
S1: that he's come back with this one and it is

967
00:43:11,790 --> 00:43:14,190
S1: as good as it is. But, you know, the IP

968
00:43:14,190 --> 00:43:16,950
S1: of the film, I think it's owned by Warner Brothers,

969
00:43:16,950 --> 00:43:19,230
S1: or at least Warner Brothers is the company behind this.

970
00:43:19,230 --> 00:43:21,900
S1: Warner Brothers is now a part of Warner Brothers Discovery,

971
00:43:21,900 --> 00:43:24,390
S1: which owns HBO and all these sorts of things. And

972
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:26,400
S1: you're seeing this happen with Dune, right? Well, we've got

973
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,760
S1: the Dune films, and simultaneously to the Dune films, we've

974
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,270
S1: got the Dune TV series trailer dropped for Dune Prophecy,

975
00:43:33,270 --> 00:43:35,910
S1: which is about the history of the Bene Gesserit. You know,

976
00:43:35,910 --> 00:43:39,089
S1: the kind of nuns in that I feel like. And

977
00:43:39,090 --> 00:43:41,370
S1: I don't begrudge George for this at this stage of

978
00:43:41,370 --> 00:43:43,830
S1: his life, his career. If he's just like, give me

979
00:43:43,830 --> 00:43:46,410
S1: $1 billion, I will retire happy. My family will never

980
00:43:46,410 --> 00:43:48,720
S1: have to work again. And you can make whatever mad

981
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,390
S1: Max films or shows you want. I don't really begrudge

982
00:43:51,390 --> 00:43:54,480
S1: him for that. I don't think the movie is like

983
00:43:54,660 --> 00:43:58,680
S1: the movie isn't bad because of the world building he's done.

984
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,319
S1: It kind of all works. But your spot on, Thomas,

985
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,630
S1: you can see. Cool. Let's get the history of the

986
00:44:03,630 --> 00:44:06,270
S1: Green Place. Let's get a drama set in. What's going

987
00:44:06,270 --> 00:44:08,669
S1: on in Bullet Town? Mad Max has always done that

988
00:44:08,670 --> 00:44:11,640
S1: in a really interesting way, where, you know, through in

989
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,100
S1: Fury Road, there were those guys on stilts just kind

990
00:44:14,100 --> 00:44:16,259
S1: of walking in the wasteland in this sort of marsh,

991
00:44:16,350 --> 00:44:18,840
S1: and it's never explained. And there's been stuff like that

992
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:24,180
S1: throughout the franchise's history. You don't have this overriding, this dialogue,

993
00:44:24,180 --> 00:44:26,250
S1: this exposition, you just kind of thrown into it. This

994
00:44:26,250 --> 00:44:28,860
S1: one had a bit more of that. Even at the

995
00:44:28,860 --> 00:44:32,640
S1: start of this film. You have this montage of news

996
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,610
S1: clips that allude to how we ended up in this

997
00:44:35,610 --> 00:44:40,950
S1: apocalyptic hell space. Things like pandemic, nuclear war, environmental destruction.

998
00:44:40,950 --> 00:44:47,190
S1: It felt a little bit more like George linking very

999
00:44:47,190 --> 00:44:49,950
S1: current things going on to what's happened. I think, Mel,

1000
00:44:49,950 --> 00:44:52,590
S1: you mentioned that the first mad Max films always had

1001
00:44:52,590 --> 00:44:54,600
S1: a little bit of that going on, but it was

1002
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:58,490
S1: never laid out for us explicitly. Manohla Dargis in The

1003
00:44:58,489 --> 00:45:01,489
S1: New York Times review of this film made the point that,

1004
00:45:01,580 --> 00:45:03,860
S1: you know, we never really talked about George Miller being

1005
00:45:03,860 --> 00:45:06,230
S1: a prophet, but as like, time has gone on and

1006
00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:09,680
S1: the world is edged closer to the kinds of battles

1007
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,590
S1: over resources that he first talked about in the 70s

1008
00:45:12,590 --> 00:45:16,430
S1: and this movie kind of shrinking that gap between reality

1009
00:45:16,430 --> 00:45:19,790
S1: and fiction even more. It has become like a more

1010
00:45:19,790 --> 00:45:21,080
S1: prophetic franchise.

1011
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,630
S2: And did you feel that that kind of world building

1012
00:45:23,630 --> 00:45:26,750
S2: slowed it down? Because definitely the original two, and the

1013
00:45:26,750 --> 00:45:29,359
S2: third one is a bit of an interesting outlier of

1014
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,730
S2: a film, but the first two and even Fury Road

1015
00:45:31,730 --> 00:45:35,600
S2: are quite simple stories of revenge, like it's a very

1016
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,750
S2: clear pattern, almost like a fable, which then, you know,

1017
00:45:38,750 --> 00:45:41,120
S2: allows him to do spectacular stuff elsewhere. But did you

1018
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,489
S2: feel that it slowed it down, that they were developing

1019
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:44,390
S2: too much of the world?

1020
00:45:44,390 --> 00:45:44,930
S4: It's a really.

1021
00:45:44,930 --> 00:45:45,410
S2: Attracted.

1022
00:45:45,410 --> 00:45:48,650
S1: It's a really interesting question. I enjoyed a lot of it,

1023
00:45:48,650 --> 00:45:51,080
S1: and there is a lot of great action set pieces,

1024
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,750
S1: but at certain points I was wondering, and I don't

1025
00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:56,239
S1: often feel this about movies. I was like, just give

1026
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,629
S1: me more crazy scenes of them on the road doing

1027
00:45:59,630 --> 00:46:02,690
S1: crazy stuff, like there's a bit where they get to

1028
00:46:02,690 --> 00:46:05,629
S1: this big conflict and instead of showing it, it's just

1029
00:46:05,630 --> 00:46:08,450
S1: like a narration and a montage. And I'm like, what?

1030
00:46:08,450 --> 00:46:10,910
S1: This what these movies do so well, particularly since Fury

1031
00:46:10,910 --> 00:46:13,880
S1: Road are stunts that you're just like, they take your

1032
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,399
S1: breath away. You know, my guy Steven Soderbergh has that

1033
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,440
S1: famous quote about Fury Road. He's like, every time I

1034
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,200
S1: watch it, I don't understand how there aren't, like, dead

1035
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,560
S1: bodies here on the set and some of the set pieces.

1036
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,300
S1: I mean, most of them are astonishing. There's one in

1037
00:46:26,300 --> 00:46:29,510
S1: particular which is like the big iconic war rig scene

1038
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:31,879
S1: from Fury Road, and they take it to another level

1039
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,250
S1: and I'm like, that is amazing. And it's interesting that

1040
00:46:34,250 --> 00:46:37,100
S1: when the trailer for this film came out, I wasn't

1041
00:46:37,100 --> 00:46:39,380
S1: particularly excited. A lot of people seemed to react a

1042
00:46:39,380 --> 00:46:42,890
S1: bit negatively because it looked very CGI focused, not a

1043
00:46:42,890 --> 00:46:45,290
S1: lot of practical effects, and the CGI didn't look great.

1044
00:46:45,290 --> 00:46:49,490
S1: Sometimes we forget that trailers are released before all the

1045
00:46:49,489 --> 00:46:52,910
S1: work has been done on the visual effects. This looked

1046
00:46:52,910 --> 00:46:55,640
S1: really good, like it felt very practical. I. And think

1047
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,219
S1: the CGI looked bad. What did you think about that, Thomas?

1048
00:46:58,730 --> 00:47:01,669
S3: Yeah, no, I think like it didn't didn't really bother

1049
00:47:01,670 --> 00:47:03,860
S3: me at all. And I just think the scope of

1050
00:47:03,860 --> 00:47:06,920
S3: some of those set pieces is, like, so amazing. And like,

1051
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:08,960
S3: you know, we spoke earlier before about how the rest

1052
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:10,610
S3: of them have kind of been filmed in Australia. Mad

1053
00:47:10,610 --> 00:47:12,680
S3: Max Fury Road was like a lot in Namibia, but

1054
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:14,690
S3: it was so nice to be. It was so obviously

1055
00:47:14,690 --> 00:47:17,810
S3: Australia again, having just recently returned from the Northern Territory

1056
00:47:18,290 --> 00:47:20,660
S3: for undisclosed reasons. But like, you know, like that, that

1057
00:47:20,660 --> 00:47:23,000
S3: sense of the, you know, when you do get into

1058
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,370
S3: those parts of Australia that feel like so barren and

1059
00:47:25,370 --> 00:47:28,190
S3: you're the only person in the world like it's nice

1060
00:47:28,190 --> 00:47:30,440
S3: to see that back on screen. And I just thought

1061
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,270
S3: it looked incredible. It's been funny, you know, like the

1062
00:47:32,270 --> 00:47:34,640
S3: last week, I think George Miller has done a sit down.

1063
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:38,270
S3: And he spoke again about the strange relationship between Tom

1064
00:47:38,270 --> 00:47:42,140
S3: Hardy and Charlize Theron on Fury Road. And then inevitably, like,

1065
00:47:42,140 --> 00:47:43,969
S3: you know, it comes up as this movie comes out.

1066
00:47:43,969 --> 00:47:47,330
S3: But I thought the actual chemistry between Chris Hemsworth and

1067
00:47:47,330 --> 00:47:50,870
S3: Anya Taylor-Joy, they have some really intense scenes towards the end.

1068
00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:53,330
S3: And just like from a physical standpoint, like he is

1069
00:47:53,330 --> 00:47:57,770
S3: so imposing and she is quite like a little person. She's,

1070
00:47:57,770 --> 00:48:01,310
S3: you know, she's like slender and but like, they feel

1071
00:48:01,310 --> 00:48:03,680
S3: like such a great match. And again, you know, like

1072
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,980
S3: these are not dialogue heavy films, although Chris Hemsworth does

1073
00:48:06,980 --> 00:48:09,590
S3: have some long speeches. But I reckon Anya Taylor-Joy, like,

1074
00:48:09,590 --> 00:48:12,020
S3: as Furiosa says, like, I don't know, 40 words in

1075
00:48:12,020 --> 00:48:13,009
S3: the whole film. Yeah, not a lot.

1076
00:48:13,010 --> 00:48:16,219
S1: And it's a hard role because Charlize played that so well,

1077
00:48:16,219 --> 00:48:18,830
S1: and I've not historically been like, I've never really gotten

1078
00:48:18,830 --> 00:48:20,960
S1: the Anya Taylor-Joy thing. I didn't love Queen's Gambit. I

1079
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,240
S1: think she did The Northman. She's pretty cool, but I

1080
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:25,219
S1: was really impressed with her. And this I think there

1081
00:48:25,219 --> 00:48:27,710
S1: is like that, you know, it's a bad pun, but

1082
00:48:27,710 --> 00:48:31,069
S1: a quiet fury of rage, like what her motivations are,

1083
00:48:31,070 --> 00:48:35,030
S1: how she feels within each scene, what her what her

1084
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:37,610
S1: goal is like, what the kind of struggles that she

1085
00:48:37,610 --> 00:48:39,799
S1: has about trying to make peace with where she's at

1086
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:41,779
S1: whilst not losing sight of where she came from. She

1087
00:48:41,780 --> 00:48:44,839
S1: really does that very well through her face and her

1088
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,360
S1: acting more so than through dialogue. So I thought she

1089
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:48,590
S1: was wonderful in this film, and it.

1090
00:48:48,590 --> 00:48:50,780
S2: Is interesting that she's going for these kind of quite

1091
00:48:50,780 --> 00:48:54,410
S2: big epic films. She was flagged at the end of June,

1092
00:48:54,410 --> 00:48:56,060
S2: and there's a lot of rumors that she will kind

1093
00:48:56,060 --> 00:48:58,219
S2: of be a main character in Dune Part three. She's

1094
00:48:58,219 --> 00:49:01,969
S2: got a quite interesting career trajectory, and at this point,

1095
00:49:01,969 --> 00:49:03,950
S2: she's kind of seems to be moving away from character

1096
00:49:03,950 --> 00:49:07,310
S2: roles and doing a lot more of these huge franchise acting, um,

1097
00:49:07,310 --> 00:49:09,410
S2: huge franchise action roles.

1098
00:49:09,410 --> 00:49:11,810
S3: Do you think like this? I know that Fury Road,

1099
00:49:11,810 --> 00:49:13,910
S3: you know, obviously it was like made over 400 million

1100
00:49:13,910 --> 00:49:15,560
S3: at the box office. It was nominated for like eight

1101
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:19,550
S3: Academy Awards. Um, it's like swept the technical categories. No

1102
00:49:19,550 --> 00:49:22,550
S3: acting awards. Do you suspect? Obviously. Well, you haven't seen it,

1103
00:49:22,550 --> 00:49:24,920
S3: but do you suspect that it will be similar this

1104
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,020
S3: time around? Do you think Chris could get a nom?

1105
00:49:27,020 --> 00:49:30,980
S1: I think there's a there's a chance Chris gets a nod.

1106
00:49:31,100 --> 00:49:33,259
S1: I might depend on what category he's in. He's he's

1107
00:49:33,260 --> 00:49:36,140
S1: probably a bit too much for Best Supporting Actor. And

1108
00:49:36,140 --> 00:49:39,110
S1: it's probably not a good enough or big enough performance

1109
00:49:39,110 --> 00:49:43,219
S1: or kind of Oscar worthy performance for best actor. But yeah, I,

1110
00:49:43,219 --> 00:49:45,529
S1: I think this will do very well in the technical categories.

1111
00:49:45,530 --> 00:49:48,710
S1: It'd be awesome if Chris got some sort of acknowledgement,

1112
00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:51,589
S1: because I think he's really trying and he's showing off

1113
00:49:51,590 --> 00:49:54,530
S1: the acting that he can do, and it's such a

1114
00:49:54,530 --> 00:49:57,110
S1: reversal of the Marvel stuff where he's the good guy

1115
00:49:57,110 --> 00:49:59,390
S1: in this. He's playing the bad guy. His character's name

1116
00:49:59,390 --> 00:50:01,760
S1: is literally Dementors, you know? I mean, the character names

1117
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:05,810
S1: in this movie. Thomas, you mentioned the Australian landscape. The

1118
00:50:05,810 --> 00:50:09,590
S1: sheer australianness of these movies is I love them. Like

1119
00:50:09,590 --> 00:50:13,550
S1: every Australian, that guy actor like pops up in these movies.

1120
00:50:13,550 --> 00:50:16,370
S1: Some of the names he gave Immortan Joe, he got

1121
00:50:16,370 --> 00:50:17,750
S1: Praetorian Jack.

1122
00:50:18,170 --> 00:50:18,560
S4: It's just.

1123
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:23,180
S1: Ridiculous. My personal favorite is, uh, So Lucky, whom plays

1124
00:50:23,180 --> 00:50:26,150
S1: two characters. He plays Immortan Joe, and he plays this

1125
00:50:26,150 --> 00:50:30,500
S1: one eyed sort of consiglieri to, uh, Dementors. This character's

1126
00:50:30,500 --> 00:50:33,980
S1: name is Ridsdale Pell, right. George Ridsdale, one of the

1127
00:50:33,980 --> 00:50:38,210
S1: most notorious pedophile priests in Ballarat. And George Pell.

1128
00:50:38,210 --> 00:50:43,009
S4: What is George Miller doing? That's that's so weird.

1129
00:50:43,010 --> 00:50:45,560
S3: I did not I did not know that that is. Yeah, right.

1130
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,259
S3: That's layered that's a layered drive by from George. And there.

1131
00:50:48,260 --> 00:50:48,950
S4: Is some, you.

1132
00:50:48,950 --> 00:50:52,160
S1: Know, pedophile stuff in this film. So that's just coming

1133
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,290
S1: out of nowhere. But you know, there are some pretty

1134
00:50:54,290 --> 00:50:57,020
S1: like dark characters and dark moments in this film.

1135
00:50:57,020 --> 00:51:00,110
S2: Wow. And fun fact that I was reading that, um,

1136
00:51:00,110 --> 00:51:03,379
S2: apparently Bathurst where they were filming around was too green.

1137
00:51:03,380 --> 00:51:06,500
S2: So like in post-production they had to remove all the

1138
00:51:06,500 --> 00:51:10,069
S2: greenery to make it have that arid look, which I

1139
00:51:10,070 --> 00:51:12,740
S2: thought was kind of interesting, but also the case for

1140
00:51:12,739 --> 00:51:16,700
S2: Australian government supporting filmmaking here, because it was because of

1141
00:51:16,700 --> 00:51:19,370
S2: the rebates and incentives that they kept it in Australia, really,

1142
00:51:19,370 --> 00:51:22,340
S2: versus 2015 when those rebates weren't here and they took

1143
00:51:22,340 --> 00:51:23,630
S2: Fury Road elsewhere.

1144
00:51:23,630 --> 00:51:25,460
S1: But one of the good things about Fury Road being

1145
00:51:25,460 --> 00:51:28,340
S1: in Namibia is that Mel Gibson didn't want to go there.

1146
00:51:28,340 --> 00:51:30,950
S1: There's like some quotes from him and his wife sort

1147
00:51:30,950 --> 00:51:32,870
S1: of not really wanting to be in Africa, you know,

1148
00:51:32,870 --> 00:51:35,120
S1: make of that what you will. Um, and I do

1149
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,910
S1: think that movie is better without like contemporary Mel Gibson

1150
00:51:37,910 --> 00:51:38,270
S1: in there.

1151
00:51:38,270 --> 00:51:41,240
S2: So yeah, I'm that's a that was a great decision

1152
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:42,710
S2: on behalf of everyone.

1153
00:51:42,710 --> 00:51:44,149
S4: I wonder I wonder if Miller was like.

1154
00:51:44,150 --> 00:51:46,310
S1: How do I get rid of Mel from this franchise.

1155
00:51:47,300 --> 00:51:49,520
S3: Given that the first set of films was a trilogy,

1156
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:53,270
S3: we're now on two of the newest Mad Max's, but

1157
00:51:53,270 --> 00:51:56,350
S3: Happy Feet and Babe are both. Also arrested on two.

1158
00:51:56,380 --> 00:51:58,210
S3: What does George Miller do next? Are we going to

1159
00:51:58,210 --> 00:52:01,690
S3: see babe three Pig Piggy Road, or are we going

1160
00:52:01,690 --> 00:52:03,250
S3: to see some kind of happy feet? I would love

1161
00:52:03,250 --> 00:52:06,790
S3: to see another babe get James Cromwell Magda Szubanski back together.

1162
00:52:07,630 --> 00:52:09,580
S3: It's like this. I mean, there's so much to do there.

1163
00:52:09,850 --> 00:52:10,180
S4: Give us.

1164
00:52:10,180 --> 00:52:13,270
S1: The babe. Expanded universe. I think he's like, he's nearly 80.

1165
00:52:13,300 --> 00:52:15,070
S1: I don't know if he's going to make another movie.

1166
00:52:15,100 --> 00:52:16,480
S3: He'll probably end up coaching South.

1167
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,270
S4: Yeah, I wouldn't mind.

1168
00:52:19,270 --> 00:52:22,419
S2: Him seeing taking like, another animal franchise. And like, what

1169
00:52:22,420 --> 00:52:24,850
S2: if he did like, a Winnie the Pooh or something? Like,

1170
00:52:24,850 --> 00:52:26,770
S2: I wouldn't mind another animal franchise.

1171
00:52:26,770 --> 00:52:27,580
S4: Well, that IP is up.

1172
00:52:27,580 --> 00:52:29,020
S3: For the taking, aren't they? They're making it. It is.

1173
00:52:29,020 --> 00:52:30,460
S4: Winnie the Pooh is out of copyright.

1174
00:52:30,940 --> 00:52:34,810
S1: Um, one of the conversations around films in 2024 has

1175
00:52:34,810 --> 00:52:37,540
S1: been that they're not performing at the box office as

1176
00:52:37,540 --> 00:52:40,960
S1: well as anticipated. The fall guy did okay, but, you know,

1177
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:46,210
S1: didn't do amazingly. There's not a lot of big tentpole releases,

1178
00:52:46,210 --> 00:52:49,450
S1: big event movies on the calendar. This is one. After this,

1179
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,510
S1: it's the new Marvel one. Deadpool versus Wolverine. There's the

1180
00:52:52,510 --> 00:52:55,810
S1: Joker sequel. There's not much else, I think. I mean,

1181
00:52:55,810 --> 00:52:58,120
S1: I think this could do very well. It's being released

1182
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,790
S1: in Imax around the world. You know that that costs

1183
00:53:00,790 --> 00:53:03,430
S1: a bit more. It's good for box office results. It's

1184
00:53:03,430 --> 00:53:07,390
S1: a pretty bare like cinema listings at the moment. I

1185
00:53:07,390 --> 00:53:08,710
S1: don't know if you guys have looked at what's on,

1186
00:53:08,710 --> 00:53:10,690
S1: but people messaged me. They're like, you know what, what

1187
00:53:10,690 --> 00:53:12,580
S1: do I see? I'm like, there's not it's not a

1188
00:53:12,580 --> 00:53:15,430
S1: heap on there's actually a pretty great film. It's a

1189
00:53:15,430 --> 00:53:17,950
S1: bit violent. We're not a family friendly movie, but I

1190
00:53:17,950 --> 00:53:20,530
S1: wonder whether this could break the drought and do do

1191
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:23,620
S1: quite well. Maybe get to that four, $500 million mark

1192
00:53:23,620 --> 00:53:24,700
S1: at the box office.

1193
00:53:24,700 --> 00:53:26,890
S3: Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me. I mean, it is funny

1194
00:53:26,890 --> 00:53:29,230
S3: that like, I read read that kind of similar articles

1195
00:53:29,230 --> 00:53:31,420
S3: about fall guy, like not really doing what it was

1196
00:53:31,420 --> 00:53:34,690
S3: supposed to do. And, you know, like there was such a,

1197
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:36,790
S3: I guess, a thought from the studio of like, we'll

1198
00:53:36,790 --> 00:53:38,770
S3: pluck Ryan Gosling from the biggest film of last year

1199
00:53:38,770 --> 00:53:40,660
S3: and Emily Blunt from the other biggest film of last

1200
00:53:40,660 --> 00:53:42,819
S3: year and put them together. And we can't lose in this,

1201
00:53:42,820 --> 00:53:45,279
S3: you know, with like kind of semi existing IP and

1202
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,260
S3: you know, it'll be funny and look amazing. And then

1203
00:53:47,260 --> 00:53:49,839
S3: it did okay. But it didn't like Set the World

1204
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,480
S3: on fire. The fall guy. And then yeah it is

1205
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,040
S3: it is strange looking at the rest of the year.

1206
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:57,190
S3: Like I think Deadpool versus Wolverine will be fucking enormous.

1207
00:53:57,190 --> 00:54:00,550
S3: Like I reckon that will go bonkers. Um, everyone loves,

1208
00:54:00,550 --> 00:54:03,370
S3: you know, the Deadpool character. Then we're bringing back in,

1209
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,469
S3: you know, Wolverine and the popularity of Hugh Jackman. I

1210
00:54:05,469 --> 00:54:07,540
S3: reckon that'll go crazy. But the rest of the year

1211
00:54:07,540 --> 00:54:10,930
S3: is kind of like, you know, lacking in things to

1212
00:54:10,930 --> 00:54:13,210
S3: look forward to in terms of, like, big box office hits.

1213
00:54:13,210 --> 00:54:15,820
S3: So yeah, I suspect that mad Max will do really well.

1214
00:54:15,820 --> 00:54:17,410
S3: And we've already seen like, you know, what did Dune

1215
00:54:17,410 --> 00:54:19,299
S3: two do, like crazy numbers.

1216
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:21,219
S1: 800 million or so. Maybe got close to a billion.

1217
00:54:21,219 --> 00:54:25,480
S1: I mean, it it's interesting. The Australian Australia is punching

1218
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:27,340
S1: above its weight when it comes to bringing in box

1219
00:54:27,340 --> 00:54:30,670
S1: office results this year. Anyone but you big hit into the, uh,

1220
00:54:30,670 --> 00:54:33,250
S1: start of this year. Filmed in Sydney. The fall guy

1221
00:54:33,370 --> 00:54:35,590
S1: you know didn't do enormously still is making quite a

1222
00:54:35,590 --> 00:54:40,480
S1: lot of money. Filmed in Australia. Mad Max Furiosa filmed

1223
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:44,920
S1: in Australia. Largely Australian cast and director. Deadpool versus Wolverine. Wolverine.

1224
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:48,040
S1: He's Australian. Australia. What? Like that's cool.

1225
00:54:48,969 --> 00:54:51,009
S3: Yeah, Australians are cool. I've been saying it for ages.

1226
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:51,580
S4: Yeah.

1227
00:54:52,660 --> 00:54:55,030
S2: Yeah that's great. It's our it's our year and hopefully

1228
00:54:55,030 --> 00:54:56,680
S2: it'll be a showing at the uh at some of

1229
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:58,120
S2: the awards ceremonies too.

1230
00:54:58,120 --> 00:54:59,560
S3: That being said, one of my other I mean, I

1231
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:00,609
S3: know we're about to get on to this, but one

1232
00:55:00,610 --> 00:55:02,230
S3: of my other most anticipated films of the year is

1233
00:55:02,230 --> 00:55:05,950
S3: also shot in Australia. Uh, and that is Nicolas Cage.

1234
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:07,060
S2: Ah. The surfer.

1235
00:55:07,060 --> 00:55:08,530
S4: Yeah. So I wanted I wanted to.

1236
00:55:08,530 --> 00:55:09,910
S1: Talk to you guys a bit about, uh, a bit

1237
00:55:09,910 --> 00:55:13,510
S1: about Khan, which has been happening over the last week,

1238
00:55:13,510 --> 00:55:15,640
S1: and this has been a particularly interesting one to watch

1239
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:19,030
S1: because of the fact that the big studio films, you know,

1240
00:55:19,030 --> 00:55:21,040
S1: like we've said, there's not there's not a heap to

1241
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:24,160
S1: get excited about. So what is playing at Khan and

1242
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:27,490
S1: what is reacting? Getting good reactions and uh, being highly

1243
00:55:27,489 --> 00:55:31,240
S1: anticipated could give us a slightly more fleshed out, you know,

1244
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,610
S1: second half of the year of these films get picked

1245
00:55:33,610 --> 00:55:36,490
S1: up and distributed in Australia. One of those that got

1246
00:55:36,489 --> 00:55:39,460
S1: a really great reception was the Surfer, the Nick cage

1247
00:55:39,460 --> 00:55:40,480
S1: film Thomas.

1248
00:55:40,870 --> 00:55:44,530
S3: Yeah. So that's like was shot up in WA. I think, uh,

1249
00:55:44,530 --> 00:55:47,020
S3: Nicolas Cage plays, I think he's like on the run

1250
00:55:47,020 --> 00:55:48,400
S3: or something and he plays and then he kind of

1251
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:50,650
S3: gets into surf, falls in with a surf gang. It

1252
00:55:50,650 --> 00:55:54,730
S3: feels like kind of an exploitation, like B movie vibe. Um,

1253
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:57,220
S3: like I did want to say before we get into this, like,

1254
00:55:57,219 --> 00:56:00,730
S3: do we think at this point the standing ovation thing

1255
00:56:00,730 --> 00:56:03,880
S3: at Cannes is getting like, ridiculous?

1256
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,520
S1: It is. It's now become like a complete joke, right?

1257
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:09,670
S1: Where for people who don't know, different media outlets are

1258
00:56:09,670 --> 00:56:13,360
S1: now recording the length of standing ovations, different films get.

1259
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:14,680
S1: Some of them are seven minutes, some of them are

1260
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:16,960
S1: 11 minutes, some of them 17 minutes. It's always been

1261
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,060
S1: like a very Khan specific thing, and I think now

1262
00:56:19,060 --> 00:56:21,370
S1: it's become a bit of a joke. People are making

1263
00:56:21,370 --> 00:56:23,950
S1: kind of memes about it, you know? Hans Moleman man

1264
00:56:23,950 --> 00:56:27,219
S1: gets hit in the head by football. 17 minutes standing ovation.

1265
00:56:27,219 --> 00:56:30,670
S1: I can't like it's funny stuff. It seems completely ridiculous

1266
00:56:30,670 --> 00:56:32,920
S1: because it often has nothing to do with the quality

1267
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:35,500
S1: of the film. It's just this director's back. Let's just

1268
00:56:35,500 --> 00:56:37,930
S1: stand up and clap. Honestly, I could not imagine anything

1269
00:56:37,930 --> 00:56:41,049
S1: worse than being forced to clap for like seven minutes,

1270
00:56:41,050 --> 00:56:42,399
S1: let alone 17.

1271
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:45,790
S2: I can imagine being the person who has to receive the.

1272
00:56:45,790 --> 00:56:46,780
S4: Clapping for.

1273
00:56:46,810 --> 00:56:48,670
S2: That long. Like, what do you do? I hate when

1274
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:49,089
S2: I would be.

1275
00:56:49,090 --> 00:56:50,770
S4: Fine with that. Honestly, I.

1276
00:56:51,430 --> 00:56:52,029
S5: Hate when people sing.

1277
00:56:52,030 --> 00:56:54,620
S2: Happy Birthday for 30s. What do you do for seven

1278
00:56:54,620 --> 00:56:57,370
S2: minutes of like I just every time I see the

1279
00:56:57,370 --> 00:57:00,430
S2: footage of people having to like, smile and say thank

1280
00:57:00,430 --> 00:57:04,089
S2: you for seven, 13, 15 minutes, I just internally shrivel

1281
00:57:04,090 --> 00:57:04,540
S2: up and die.

1282
00:57:04,540 --> 00:57:07,390
S3: A few years ago, Adam Driver got one for. And

1283
00:57:07,390 --> 00:57:10,839
S3: I mean, it can't have been for that weird Italian movie.

1284
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,270
S3: But anyway, he got one one. It was like the

1285
00:57:13,270 --> 00:57:15,279
S3: sixth minute and he lit up a cigarette and.

1286
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,710
S4: Just started smoking it. Well, that's boss, which I think.

1287
00:57:17,710 --> 00:57:19,240
S3: Is kind of great, but like, yeah, you know, like

1288
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:22,690
S3: there's this weird new, like, not Yellowstone movie by Kevin

1289
00:57:22,690 --> 00:57:24,700
S3: Costner and that got like a 12 minute standing ovation, like,

1290
00:57:24,700 --> 00:57:27,220
S3: are you fucking kidding me? Like two minutes is a

1291
00:57:27,220 --> 00:57:28,960
S3: long time. I don't know, I just find that whole

1292
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,360
S3: thing weird. And then it does become this. Like, it's

1293
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,010
S3: almost like a calling card, like, oh, they got a,

1294
00:57:33,010 --> 00:57:35,080
S3: you know, ten minute standing ovation. It must be amazing.

1295
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:36,310
S2: It's like the new star ranking.

1296
00:57:36,310 --> 00:57:38,890
S3: Yeah, exactly. So that that is very weird. But yeah,

1297
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:40,870
S3: Nicolas Cage, as we all know, we know and love

1298
00:57:40,870 --> 00:57:44,500
S3: Nicolas Cage. He's got this. Probably the strangest IMDb besides

1299
00:57:44,500 --> 00:57:48,130
S3: George Miller, I suppose. Um, he does like horror movies,

1300
00:57:48,130 --> 00:57:53,290
S3: amazing movies, Oscar movies, insane movies, B movies, action movies. Uh,

1301
00:57:53,290 --> 00:57:55,420
S3: and it sounds like the surfer might tick a lot

1302
00:57:55,420 --> 00:57:57,580
S3: of those boxes. So, yeah, I'm very excited about that one.

1303
00:57:58,150 --> 00:58:01,419
S1: Um, the other you mentioned Kevin Costner in the horizon film.

1304
00:58:01,420 --> 00:58:03,790
S1: I'm sort of excited by that. Like, I like Yellowstone

1305
00:58:03,790 --> 00:58:06,520
S1: and this is Kevin Costner kind of ditching Yellowstone and

1306
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:09,160
S1: putting all of his money into, uh, you know, horizon,

1307
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:12,670
S1: Udorn and American sort of Western frontier film. Apparently it's

1308
00:58:12,670 --> 00:58:14,890
S1: not great. It just basically looks like a TV show,

1309
00:58:14,890 --> 00:58:16,780
S1: and he's doing part one, and then he's doing six

1310
00:58:16,780 --> 00:58:19,150
S1: weeks later in cinemas, part two. That's kind of wacky,

1311
00:58:19,150 --> 00:58:21,790
S1: but I guess I applaud lunatic people in the film

1312
00:58:21,790 --> 00:58:25,120
S1: industry putting all their money into their passion projects. Which

1313
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:27,460
S1: brings me to what looks like one of the craziest

1314
00:58:27,460 --> 00:58:30,370
S1: films ever made. And we've talked about this, uh, earlier

1315
00:58:30,370 --> 00:58:33,610
S1: in the year when we were previewing upcoming, upcoming, when

1316
00:58:33,610 --> 00:58:38,470
S1: we were previewing upcoming movies, Francis Ford Coppola's Megalopolis, starring

1317
00:58:38,470 --> 00:58:42,160
S1: Adam Driver. Uh, this is crazy. I mean, the reviews

1318
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:45,190
S1: on this one are just wacky. Some people are convinced it's,

1319
00:58:45,190 --> 00:58:49,150
S1: you know, brilliant or tourist cinema at its best. Other

1320
00:58:49,150 --> 00:58:51,640
S1: people say it's a total mess. It makes no sense.

1321
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:55,630
S1: It has now just received an Australian distributor in Mad Men,

1322
00:58:55,630 --> 00:58:58,630
S1: so it will be coming to Australian cinemas hopefully later

1323
00:58:58,630 --> 00:59:01,270
S1: this year. I'm very excited to watch it. Like I'm

1324
00:59:01,270 --> 00:59:03,280
S1: famously one of the three people in the world that

1325
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:08,050
S1: thought Babylon, Damien Chazelle's very messy, strange movie about Hollywood,

1326
00:59:08,050 --> 00:59:10,630
S1: was great. I like Coppola, I feel like even if

1327
00:59:10,630 --> 00:59:12,970
S1: it's a bit of a weird movie again, I back

1328
00:59:12,970 --> 00:59:15,940
S1: the fact that he sold off his entire, like estate

1329
00:59:15,940 --> 00:59:18,520
S1: to make this film, which seems to be a statement

1330
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:21,760
S1: on the death and decay of American Empire. Like, you know,

1331
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:24,250
S1: he's a great artist making a crazy movie about ideas

1332
00:59:24,250 --> 00:59:25,300
S1: he cares about. Let's watch.

1333
00:59:25,300 --> 00:59:25,660
S4: It.

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00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:28,300
S2: Yes, I'm very excited for this film, whether or not

1335
00:59:28,300 --> 00:59:31,180
S2: it was filmed in Australia. Uh, yeah. Just that he

1336
00:59:31,180 --> 00:59:33,280
S2: has staked so much on it and that he sees

1337
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:36,640
S2: it as the kind of epitome of his career and

1338
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:38,950
S2: how it's going to throw all his other films in

1339
00:59:38,950 --> 00:59:41,230
S2: a different light. I can't wait.

1340
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:45,190
S1: For the other film that made some headlines this week, uh,

1341
00:59:45,190 --> 00:59:52,660
S1: The Apprentice, Ali Abbas Iranian director's new film about Donald Trump, uh,

1342
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:57,880
S1: starring Sebastian Stan as Donald Trump and starring Jeremy Strong as, uh,

1343
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:01,630
S1: Trump's lawyer during this era. It's it's pretty interesting. It's

1344
01:00:01,630 --> 01:00:06,940
S1: got some controversy for a seemingly quite explicit scene of

1345
01:00:06,940 --> 01:00:11,470
S1: sexual assault that, uh, you know, Trump allegedly perpetrates based

1346
01:00:11,470 --> 01:00:14,620
S1: on some divorce documents, I think, with with his ex-wife.

1347
01:00:14,620 --> 01:00:17,980
S1: That was sort of the main story coming out of Cannes.

1348
01:00:17,980 --> 01:00:21,460
S1: I mean, we loved Jeremy Strong. Sebastian Stan certainly looks

1349
01:00:21,460 --> 01:00:23,830
S1: a lot like Donald Trump. I'm pretty interested in this one.

1350
01:00:23,830 --> 01:00:26,320
S2: Yeah, I'm kind of keen to check in on Jeremy Strong,

1351
01:00:26,350 --> 01:00:28,870
S2: to see that he's back on his feet into a

1352
01:00:28,870 --> 01:00:32,080
S2: new character. Yeah, I miss Jeremy from our screens.

1353
01:00:32,170 --> 01:00:35,110
S3: Yeah, I'm very excited for this one. Um, and we've

1354
01:00:35,110 --> 01:00:39,730
S3: already seen Trump tweeting madly about it. Uh, rubbish movie garbage. Uh,

1355
01:00:39,730 --> 01:00:42,730
S3: probably hasn't seen it, but yeah, it looks great. You know,

1356
01:00:43,150 --> 01:00:45,310
S3: like you got those, like leaked photos from set and

1357
01:00:45,310 --> 01:00:48,040
S3: it was just like Sebastian Stan as Trump sitting on

1358
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:50,200
S3: a bench eating a sandwich. I was like, yeah, I

1359
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:52,240
S3: am in for this. I actually reckon that could also

1360
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:54,640
S3: be one that maybe is a like a bit of

1361
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:56,440
S3: a surprise hit at the box office. Like we're going

1362
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:58,930
S3: to be deep in, you know, Trump content for the

1363
01:00:58,930 --> 01:01:01,600
S3: next like few months as the election heats up and

1364
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:04,810
S3: the debates and everything. So yeah, it's interesting timing and

1365
01:01:04,810 --> 01:01:06,550
S3: I suspect that might do quite well. Plus all the

1366
01:01:06,550 --> 01:01:09,550
S3: succession heads will be so keen to see number one

1367
01:01:09,550 --> 01:01:10,630
S3: son back on screens.

1368
01:01:10,630 --> 01:01:11,590
S1: Shall we go to Cannes?

1369
01:01:11,590 --> 01:01:12,640
S3: Yes we should.

1370
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:14,470
S2: Yes we absolutely. How do we get there?

1371
01:01:14,620 --> 01:01:18,370
S1: Um, which hopefully someone listening to this podcast, either one

1372
01:01:18,370 --> 01:01:21,490
S1: of our bosses or someone more, you know, wealthier and

1373
01:01:21,490 --> 01:01:23,200
S1: some sort of patron just wants to send us there

1374
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:24,730
S1: to do podcasts for two weeks.

1375
01:01:24,940 --> 01:01:25,330
S4: Man, I.

1376
01:01:25,330 --> 01:01:27,520
S2: Would love a patron. I think about kind of back

1377
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:30,310
S2: in the day, the Renaissance and having a patron. We

1378
01:01:30,310 --> 01:01:32,830
S2: all need one like we should all individually kind of

1379
01:01:32,830 --> 01:01:33,580
S2: acquire a patron.

1380
01:01:33,580 --> 01:01:34,840
S4: I'm surprised you don't have one.

1381
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:36,640
S3: You seem like the patron type. I thought.

1382
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:37,150
S4: The Nine.

1383
01:01:37,150 --> 01:01:41,230
S1: Entertainment company is our patron. What are you talking about? Um, let's, uh,

1384
01:01:41,230 --> 01:01:44,050
S1: move on to our Impress Your Friends segment where we

1385
01:01:44,050 --> 01:01:47,890
S1: share something we watched, listened to, read. Otherwise, enjoy consuming

1386
01:01:47,890 --> 01:01:51,400
S1: this week. Mine's pretty quick. TV is in a bit

1387
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:53,200
S1: of a lull, I reckon. I'm hoping that one of

1388
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:55,330
S1: you has a great show to recommend, but I went

1389
01:01:55,330 --> 01:01:58,960
S1: a bit sideways. Talk about music. Chief Keef has a

1390
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:02,050
S1: new album Almighty. So two back on my hip hop

1391
01:02:02,050 --> 01:02:04,270
S1: thing after the Kendrick Drake beef. I'm like, you know

1392
01:02:04,270 --> 01:02:07,760
S1: what country's over, man? Hip hop is where it's. At

1393
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:11,000
S1: a caf is like the godfather of Chicago drill. It's

1394
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:14,270
S1: probably been one of the most interesting and influential genres

1395
01:02:14,270 --> 01:02:16,280
S1: in hip hop over the past decade. This is a

1396
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:19,460
S1: really great album. It's like a full return to the

1397
01:02:19,460 --> 01:02:21,860
S1: drill roots he had, but it feels like contemporary and

1398
01:02:21,860 --> 01:02:24,860
S1: progressive and fun to really, really good album. It's really hard.

1399
01:02:24,860 --> 01:02:27,140
S1: Go listen to it. That's my recommendation.

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01:02:27,690 --> 01:02:32,010
S2: Nice, I will. Well, I am this this week recommending

1401
01:02:32,010 --> 01:02:36,660
S2: the Sydney Morning Herald 2024 Best young Australian Novelists.

1402
01:02:36,660 --> 01:02:37,560
S3: Either of us on the.

1403
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:38,490
S4: List, you.

1404
01:02:38,490 --> 01:02:42,300
S2: Are absolutely not, but famously has written a book. Yes. Um,

1405
01:02:42,300 --> 01:02:45,300
S2: these we announce these every year. The prize is in

1406
01:02:45,300 --> 01:02:48,330
S2: its 28th year, which is kind of insane. Um, and

1407
01:02:48,330 --> 01:02:52,650
S2: the winners get $5,000 thanks to the Copyright Agency Cultural Fund. Um,

1408
01:02:52,650 --> 01:02:55,020
S2: they have to be under 35 or 35 at the

1409
01:02:55,020 --> 01:02:57,990
S2: time of publication. So there you go. You've both got

1410
01:02:57,990 --> 01:03:00,930
S2: a few more years. Um, the winners this year were

1411
01:03:00,930 --> 01:03:03,720
S2: Andre Dao, who wrote Anam, which is this kind of

1412
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:08,340
S2: sweeping story based on his own family history. John Morrissey,

1413
01:03:08,370 --> 01:03:13,080
S2: who has written a really great, fun, interesting short story collection,

1414
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:16,470
S2: kind of speculative fiction, and Emily O'Grady, whose novel feast

1415
01:03:16,470 --> 01:03:18,900
S2: is really dark and full of tension. And she said

1416
01:03:18,900 --> 01:03:20,940
S2: it was inspired by this dream she had about Nick

1417
01:03:20,940 --> 01:03:23,970
S2: Cave and Tilda Swinton being in love, stuck in a gothic, um,

1418
01:03:23,970 --> 01:03:28,080
S2: stuck in a gothic castle. So three really different books,

1419
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:31,050
S2: three really interesting books, and kind of, you know, I read,

1420
01:03:31,050 --> 01:03:33,000
S2: I think about there were more than 30 or so

1421
01:03:33,030 --> 01:03:35,700
S2: young novelists entered in the prize. So it's a really

1422
01:03:35,700 --> 01:03:38,459
S2: good way to get a temperature check about what's coming

1423
01:03:38,460 --> 01:03:40,860
S2: out of emerging writers in, in the country. And I

1424
01:03:40,860 --> 01:03:43,410
S2: think these three really kind of, you know, cream of

1425
01:03:43,410 --> 01:03:46,020
S2: the crop and a and a good sign of what

1426
01:03:46,020 --> 01:03:48,120
S2: is being written in Australia now. So, um, yeah, I'd

1427
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:49,950
S2: recommend each of their books and all three because they're

1428
01:03:49,950 --> 01:03:50,820
S2: all so different.

1429
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:54,090
S3: They all sound very good. I'm keen, especially feast, I think.

1430
01:03:54,090 --> 01:03:55,680
S3: I want to check that out. I think you would.

1431
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:56,490
S2: Really like that.

1432
01:03:56,490 --> 01:03:59,130
S3: I also have a book this week actually, also by

1433
01:03:59,130 --> 01:03:59,880
S3: an Australian author.

1434
01:03:59,880 --> 01:04:00,330
S4: Great.

1435
01:04:00,330 --> 01:04:03,840
S3: Are you proud of me? Uh, this is Thunderhead by Miranda, darling.

1436
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:05,760
S3: I'm not sure if either of you have read this.

1437
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:06,210
S3: I have read.

1438
01:04:06,210 --> 01:04:08,490
S2: This. Yes. I knew you would like this book.

1439
01:04:08,490 --> 01:04:09,180
S4: Really? Yeah.

1440
01:04:09,180 --> 01:04:12,630
S3: Yeah, it's really good. Uh, it's like it's a funny one.

1441
01:04:12,630 --> 01:04:15,270
S3: Like it, I guess. I hate to be this person, but, like,

1442
01:04:15,270 --> 01:04:18,060
S3: for fans of Rachel Cusk, it does feel very, uh,

1443
01:04:18,060 --> 01:04:21,090
S3: in that space, right down to actually the cover art,

1444
01:04:21,090 --> 01:04:23,490
S3: which looks basically like a Rachel Cusk book. But this

1445
01:04:23,490 --> 01:04:26,280
S3: is Thunderhead by Miranda Darling. She's an Australian author. Um,

1446
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:29,190
S3: it's basically set over the course of one day when

1447
01:04:29,190 --> 01:04:31,860
S3: we meet Winona Dalloway. And basically she's a mother of

1448
01:04:31,890 --> 01:04:34,439
S3: two who we learn is in this very strange relationship.

1449
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:37,020
S3: It's kind of like a stream of consciousness book. Um,

1450
01:04:37,020 --> 01:04:39,450
S3: but there are multiple voices that are kind of talking

1451
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:41,760
S3: to each other as she, you know, prepares for this

1452
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:44,640
S3: dinner party. We kind of learn that she's in this

1453
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:47,910
S3: coercive relationship. Her husband, who only is referred to as

1454
01:04:47,910 --> 01:04:50,460
S3: him or he, uh, is, you know, not a very

1455
01:04:50,460 --> 01:04:53,100
S3: nice person. Um, it's like this kind of, like, snapshot

1456
01:04:53,130 --> 01:04:56,880
S3: of suburbia and motherhood and crushed dreams and all these

1457
01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:59,610
S3: different things. There's a lot going on, but it's very tense. Um,

1458
01:04:59,610 --> 01:05:01,530
S3: it's a short book. You can read it basically in

1459
01:05:01,530 --> 01:05:04,350
S3: 1 or 2 sittings, but I've been really enjoying it. Plus,

1460
01:05:04,350 --> 01:05:06,930
S3: there are the occasional side references to Sydney and Taronga Zoo.

1461
01:05:06,930 --> 01:05:10,080
S3: But yeah, it's great, it's gripping and it feels very

1462
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:12,150
S3: like contemporary. So if you're into that type of thing, uh,

1463
01:05:12,150 --> 01:05:15,060
S3: that is Thunderhead by Miranda Darling, and the cover does

1464
01:05:15,060 --> 01:05:16,860
S3: look great. So if you chuck it on your grid,

1465
01:05:16,950 --> 01:05:19,050
S3: Osman and I will probably like it. So that's what's up.

1466
01:05:19,590 --> 01:05:20,760
S4: Your ability to.

1467
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:23,700
S1: Turn every book review into a comment about the cover

1468
01:05:23,700 --> 01:05:26,280
S1: and Instagram is very funny to me. Um, no. Really

1469
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:28,440
S1: good Rex books and music to listen to while we

1470
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:30,930
S1: wait for like good TV to come back. But there

1471
01:05:30,930 --> 01:05:32,550
S1: are a couple of exciting things on that front that

1472
01:05:32,550 --> 01:05:33,780
S1: I hope we will get to talk about in the

1473
01:05:33,780 --> 01:05:36,510
S1: next couple of weeks. Thomas and Mel, thanks so much, Tim.

1474
01:05:36,510 --> 01:05:38,010
S4: Thank you. That'll do pig.

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01:05:46,580 --> 01:05:49,520
S1: This episode of The Drop was produced by Kai Wong.

1476
01:05:49,550 --> 01:05:52,040
S1: If you enjoyed listening to today's episode of The Drop,

1477
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:54,740
S1: make sure to follow us in your favorite podcast app.

1478
01:05:54,740 --> 01:05:57,110
S1: Leave us a review or better yet, share it with

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01:05:57,110 --> 01:05:59,720
S1: a friend! I'm Usman Farooqi, see you next week.