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S1: a weekly culture show from the Sydney Morning Herald and

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S1: The Age, where we dive into the latest in the

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S1: Fast Ten, the latest installment in the two decades long,

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S1: a fan of the Fast and Furious films. Brooke, how

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S4: It just is what it is. It's, you know, like

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S5: Like, it's just a pretty lovely experience.

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S1: We talked a bit about this, the start of the conversation.

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S1: Those movies still were really popular. Any kind of comes

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S4: Well, because I think I've interviewed him probably 3 or

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S4: 4 times and. It's really interesting because, again, like, you

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S4: Yeah, exactly. But then you talk to him and he

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S4: That's something. But he's so progressive in so many ways.

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S4: I mean, there's obviously no way for us to be 100%

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S4: And so while he's masculine, he's soft. He's the dad,

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S4: He's the one who looks after everyone. He's the one

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S4: And I think that that's a pretty unique experience in

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S1: Yeah. For an action film star, for sure. It's so

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S1: He's brought in Rita moreno, who's 91 years old, right

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S1: little bit. I'm a bit sad about that not working

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S4: like other movies from 25 years ago where you're like, Wow,

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S4: everyone's this is all white people. This is all white

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S4: the studio is looking at, you know, his history of

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S4: out of the ordinary at least. Of course you know

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S4: you're going to back him any day of the week

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S4: because he has such a strong history with it. You

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S4: can't think of the fast franchise and not think of

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S1: He said, These movies are like the Dr. Martin Luther

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S1: is an understated point about these things. Like we talk

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S1: you sit in theaters, they certainly feel like comfortable and familiar.

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S1: I think to people like me, compared to so many

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S4: The one thing that he said to me as well,

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S4: about Ben is that Ben insisted that he bring his

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S4: or we'll send a car to go get your kids

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S4: and they can come and play. And then also, did

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S1: I did. I feel like they they take the family

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S1: But like everyone bringing your kids are all gonna have

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S1: doing media stuff and all seemingly actually enjoying each other's company,

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S1: recent film Fast Ten. I mean, there's a crazy stat.

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S1: I was going to surprise you with it, but then

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S1: for the past week. But this movie, Fast Ten, is

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S1: That seems crazy to me. Like, did you expect it

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S4: No, I didn't. And again, it's because you look at

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S4: you know, I would never expect all of these really

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S4: But it does and it's intentional. And it's so interesting

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S4: was like, surely most of your job is just wrangling

444
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,480
S4: all of these huge names and making sure that no

445
00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,330
S4: one's treading on anyone's toes. I mean, you've got, like

446
00:21:57,330 --> 00:22:01,110
S4: you said, four Oscar winning actresses in one movie. You've

447
00:22:01,109 --> 00:22:04,530
S4: got Jason Statham on one side. You've got John Cena

448
00:22:04,530 --> 00:22:09,900
S4: over here, Jason Momoa and Vin Diesel. It's like, how

449
00:22:09,900 --> 00:22:12,660
S4: do you even begin to pull together a movie that's

450
00:22:12,660 --> 00:22:15,570
S4: like coherent with that many big names?

451
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,899
S1: Yeah, it's wild. I was riding my big long feature

452
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:23,460
S1: for this film and I was kind of thinking about like, okay,

453
00:22:23,460 --> 00:22:26,370
S1: we've got this crazy stat, we've got Rita moreno, Brie Larson,

454
00:22:26,369 --> 00:22:28,860
S1: Charlize Theron, Helen Mirren in these movies. How did we

455
00:22:28,859 --> 00:22:30,689
S1: get here? And I think this goes back to what

456
00:22:30,690 --> 00:22:33,479
S1: we were saying before, even though that feels crazy to

457
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,810
S1: say it loud, the DNA and like the blueprint of

458
00:22:36,810 --> 00:22:39,300
S1: how we got here was there from day one this

459
00:22:39,300 --> 00:22:45,960
S1: centering of incredible women actresses, this natural approach to diversity,

460
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,240
S1: the willingness to have fun and take risks. Like the

461
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,100
S1: other thing about this is, you know, if you're if

462
00:22:50,100 --> 00:22:51,780
S1: you're a close fan of the franchise, you might know this.

463
00:22:51,780 --> 00:22:54,540
S1: Helen Mirren and Rita moreno begged to be in it

464
00:22:54,540 --> 00:22:57,090
S1: like this wasn't like Vin chasing them and saying, I

465
00:22:57,090 --> 00:23:00,209
S1: want you guys. They kind of like Margaret Pomeranz, have

466
00:23:00,210 --> 00:23:02,220
S1: always loved it and saw it and it's like if

467
00:23:02,220 --> 00:23:05,369
S1: you think you're too good for this franchise regular person,

468
00:23:05,369 --> 00:23:08,159
S1: you think you're better than Helen Mirren or Rita moreno

469
00:23:08,369 --> 00:23:10,740
S1: or Charlize Theron, and like knowing what a good movie is.

470
00:23:10,770 --> 00:23:11,430
S1: No thanks.

471
00:23:11,530 --> 00:23:12,959
S5: Do you know who else was asking to be in?

472
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,949
S4: It was Brie Larson. Apparently she was chasing them for ages. Yeah,

473
00:23:15,980 --> 00:23:18,830
S4: right into it. So it's. Yeah, like, I think it's

474
00:23:18,830 --> 00:23:21,350
S4: something that people want to be a part of because,

475
00:23:21,350 --> 00:23:23,449
S4: you know, they make highly entertaining movies and I'm sure

476
00:23:23,450 --> 00:23:25,250
S4: they will make a lot of money from them. But

477
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,280
S4: it seems like a really cool project to be a

478
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,800
S4: part of because I think, you know, when you do

479
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,800
S4: look at it through these like cultural or social lenses,

480
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,250
S4: you realize just how clever they've been in like, you know,

481
00:23:37,250 --> 00:23:40,850
S4: not pushing agendas, but like in progressing things in an

482
00:23:40,850 --> 00:23:44,149
S4: industry that, you know, lags behind in a lot of ways.

483
00:23:44,150 --> 00:23:47,419
S4: Like I know Hollywood and it can be quite progressive

484
00:23:47,420 --> 00:23:49,130
S4: and they talk about a lot of good things, but

485
00:23:49,130 --> 00:23:52,580
S4: there's also like it lags in a lot of ways

486
00:23:52,580 --> 00:23:54,230
S4: and it can be really bad in a lot of ways.

487
00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:56,180
S4: So then if you've got, you know, all of these

488
00:23:56,180 --> 00:23:58,940
S4: big movements happening in Hollywood, but then you've got at

489
00:23:58,940 --> 00:24:02,869
S4: the same time Vin Diesel pushing forward people like Michelle

490
00:24:02,869 --> 00:24:07,220
S4: Rodriguez or, you know, like Nathalie.

491
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:09,560
S1: Nathalie Emmanuel, Yeah, yeah.

492
00:24:09,770 --> 00:24:11,990
S4: And she was saying, like, this launched my career. Like,

493
00:24:11,990 --> 00:24:13,850
S4: I knew that when Vin took me on on this

494
00:24:13,850 --> 00:24:16,640
S4: project or like when I got it, you know, became

495
00:24:16,650 --> 00:24:19,619
S4: a part of the movies like it, you know, her

496
00:24:19,619 --> 00:24:22,620
S4: phone started ringing off the hook. So he's letting women

497
00:24:22,619 --> 00:24:25,680
S4: be different kinds of women, you know, whether it's like

498
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,440
S4: a nerdy super geek who's like hacking into the mainframe

499
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,050
S4: or like, you know, a girl from the wrong side

500
00:24:31,050 --> 00:24:33,119
S4: of the tracks who's getting into fights and stealing cars,

501
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,869
S4: like he's letting women be different kinds of women and.

502
00:24:37,710 --> 00:24:41,730
S4: Not feeling threatened by it at all. Like it's. It's wonderful.

503
00:24:42,690 --> 00:24:45,300
S1: Yeah. And I think it's why, like, I was really

504
00:24:45,300 --> 00:24:49,590
S1: worried about the franchise after seven. That's the last movie

505
00:24:49,590 --> 00:24:52,320
S1: that Paul Walker was in. He died tragically in an

506
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,380
S1: unrelated car accident while filming that movie, actually. And that

507
00:24:55,380 --> 00:24:57,899
S1: movie is my favorite, I think, not just because that

508
00:24:57,900 --> 00:25:00,600
S1: it's this beautiful tribute to Paul and like it's this

509
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:04,530
S1: funny thing where his character, Brian, is still, like, alive,

510
00:25:04,530 --> 00:25:06,420
S1: like in the canon of the movies, but he sort

511
00:25:06,420 --> 00:25:08,580
S1: of retired looking after the kid. So they didn't kill

512
00:25:08,580 --> 00:25:10,950
S1: him off and they just they did it so, so beautifully,

513
00:25:10,950 --> 00:25:14,699
S1: I think. And it was such a great film. And

514
00:25:14,700 --> 00:25:16,440
S1: then I thought, Oh, how are they going to pull

515
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,830
S1: this off like without him? And they added, Those people

516
00:25:19,830 --> 00:25:24,300
S1: you're talking about, you know, Jason Statham, Charlize Theron, John Cena.

517
00:25:24,300 --> 00:25:27,210
S1: And I do think that didn't just give it some

518
00:25:27,210 --> 00:25:29,639
S1: star power, but the way that they brought those people in,

519
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,970
S1: like Helen Mirren and Jason Statham are family in this movie.

520
00:25:32,970 --> 00:25:35,879
S1: And there's like a family there that that mirrors like

521
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,659
S1: Dom Toretto and his group. The movies feel different in

522
00:25:39,660 --> 00:25:42,570
S1: a way without like that kind of anchor of Paul

523
00:25:42,570 --> 00:25:45,660
S1: Walker's relationship with Vin Diesel. But I feel like they

524
00:25:45,660 --> 00:25:48,119
S1: still kind of have some of the soul. Did you

525
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,070
S1: feel that in this most recent film?

526
00:25:50,430 --> 00:25:52,350
S4: Yeah, but I think that sort of like that little

527
00:25:52,350 --> 00:25:55,170
S4: bit of melancholy adds something to it as well. Like

528
00:25:55,170 --> 00:25:56,880
S4: it sort of makes it feel a little bit more

529
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,940
S4: special or a bit more sacred or something, you know, like,

530
00:25:59,940 --> 00:26:02,820
S4: you know that there's something uncomfortable. And so everyone sort

531
00:26:02,820 --> 00:26:06,000
S4: of not tiptoeing around, but it's a delicate thing. And

532
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,980
S4: I think that that sort of tension adds a bit

533
00:26:07,980 --> 00:26:10,889
S4: of magic sometimes, and I think it does to the

534
00:26:11,190 --> 00:26:13,980
S4: in this latest one. And even when you're talking with

535
00:26:13,980 --> 00:26:15,840
S4: them on the red carpet or, you know, in the

536
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,540
S4: junket interviews and sort of trying to figure out a

537
00:26:18,540 --> 00:26:21,060
S4: delicate way to ask someone about the one of their

538
00:26:21,060 --> 00:26:24,840
S4: best friends who's passed away, I don't think it detracts

539
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,410
S4: like I think it I think it adds something that's

540
00:26:28,410 --> 00:26:30,630
S4: like intangible but special.

541
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,470
S1: Totally 100% agree. That's really well put. This is a

542
00:26:34,470 --> 00:26:37,229
S1: bit of a gearshift, pardon my pun. There is in

543
00:26:37,230 --> 00:26:41,010
S1: this film a cameo brook that I feel like I

544
00:26:41,010 --> 00:26:42,720
S1: want to talk to you about for a second. It's

545
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,369
S1: a spoiler. So if you haven't seen the movie yet,

546
00:26:44,369 --> 00:26:47,330
S1: maybe skip ahead a couple of minutes. This is ridiculous.

547
00:26:47,340 --> 00:26:51,060
S1: So this is Natalie Emmanuel's character. Ramsey is his hacker

548
00:26:51,060 --> 00:26:54,210
S1: takes Tyrese and I think Ludacris and a few people

549
00:26:54,210 --> 00:26:56,639
S1: back to London to meet this guy who's apparently going

550
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,910
S1: to help them get gear, weapons, cars, money, everything they need.

551
00:27:00,090 --> 00:27:03,629
S1: They walk into this like Internet cafe in London. And

552
00:27:03,630 --> 00:27:07,230
S1: the guy is Pete Davidson. I think I yelped when

553
00:27:07,230 --> 00:27:10,590
S1: I saw this in the cinema. It was crazy. How

554
00:27:10,590 --> 00:27:11,760
S1: did you react to you?

555
00:27:11,820 --> 00:27:15,060
S5: Oh, my God. Oh, my God. It's Pete Davidson.

556
00:27:16,859 --> 00:27:19,770
S1: Like that felt more incongruous in some ways than Helen

557
00:27:19,770 --> 00:27:22,649
S1: Mirren or like Charlize Theron. I just felt like these

558
00:27:22,650 --> 00:27:25,380
S1: universes colliding. But I think to go back to your

559
00:27:25,380 --> 00:27:28,590
S1: point right from the start is these films are sort

560
00:27:28,590 --> 00:27:31,590
S1: of in touch with the zeitgeist in so many different ways,

561
00:27:31,590 --> 00:27:33,420
S1: not just in terms of like what a good plot

562
00:27:33,420 --> 00:27:35,460
S1: is or what a great action sequence should look like

563
00:27:35,460 --> 00:27:39,389
S1: in 2023. But like, who is an interesting and funny

564
00:27:39,390 --> 00:27:41,250
S1: and like topical person who just seems to be at

565
00:27:41,250 --> 00:27:43,320
S1: the center of culture and how do we squeeze them

566
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,869
S1: in in this way? Whoever's idea that was, I think, very,

567
00:27:45,869 --> 00:27:46,500
S1: very smart.

568
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,020
S4: It was so smart. Mean, okay, let's play a game.

569
00:27:49,020 --> 00:27:51,030
S4: If it wasn't going to be Pete Davidson, but you

570
00:27:51,030 --> 00:27:54,060
S4: need a star of like similar caliber and similar position

571
00:27:54,060 --> 00:27:56,699
S4: in the zeitgeist, as you said. Who would who would

572
00:27:56,700 --> 00:27:58,830
S4: it be? Like Timothee Chalamet or something?

573
00:27:58,830 --> 00:28:01,440
S1: Or like, yeah, I was thinking Timothee or Zendaya, but

574
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,020
S1: I think they would have felt they're so earnest and serious.

575
00:28:04,020 --> 00:28:06,659
S1: Like there's something like Pete Davidson's ability to sort of

576
00:28:06,690 --> 00:28:08,730
S1: be funny and poke fun of himself is what made

577
00:28:08,730 --> 00:28:09,420
S1: it feel right.

578
00:28:09,570 --> 00:28:10,710
S6: Yeah. Yeah.

579
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:11,700
S5: So like.

580
00:28:11,940 --> 00:28:14,940
S4: I think it's sort of perfect because that's what they do.

581
00:28:14,940 --> 00:28:15,869
S5: Well, Like.

582
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,290
S4: They have like their, their skeleton that they know works

583
00:28:19,290 --> 00:28:22,530
S4: for them or like their template or whatever, and then

584
00:28:22,530 --> 00:28:25,620
S4: they just sort of latch onto or like pull along

585
00:28:25,619 --> 00:28:29,220
S4: with them. The thing that is really popular at the time.

586
00:28:29,900 --> 00:28:34,369
S1: So this film is supposed to be the beginning of

587
00:28:34,369 --> 00:28:37,879
S1: the end of this franchise. Supposed to be one more film, though.

588
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,790
S1: Vin Diesel at the red carpet premiere did sort of

589
00:28:40,790 --> 00:28:43,610
S1: weirdly hint that maybe there's going to be a third,

590
00:28:43,610 --> 00:28:46,550
S1: final film, that this could be a trilogy. I mean,

591
00:28:46,550 --> 00:28:48,830
S1: is this this thing right with movies? And you would

592
00:28:48,830 --> 00:28:51,410
S1: have been thinking and talking about this stuff for years

593
00:28:51,410 --> 00:28:55,070
S1: as well, like movies that make this much money. Studios

594
00:28:55,070 --> 00:28:57,200
S1: don't want to wind them up. Do you think that

595
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,000
S1: this is really the beginning of the end? Do you

596
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:00,620
S1: think it will evolve in some way? Do you think

597
00:29:00,620 --> 00:29:03,590
S1: we'll just keep getting more movies like this, iterating, adding

598
00:29:03,590 --> 00:29:05,240
S1: more people getting bigger and bigger?

599
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:09,080
S4: I think that what will happen is like they'll sort

600
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,660
S4: of somehow convince Jason Momoa to come over to their

601
00:29:11,660 --> 00:29:13,550
S4: side in the next movie.

602
00:29:13,550 --> 00:29:14,840
S1: They're very good at doing that. They're very good at

603
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,050
S1: making the bad guy part of the family. Even Jason Statham,

604
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,630
S1: we thought killed Han like a fan favorite. He's like

605
00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:21,740
S1: part of the family now.

606
00:29:21,950 --> 00:29:23,300
S5: Yeah, they'll win him over.

607
00:29:23,300 --> 00:29:25,880
S4: With love and, you know, bring him under there. Like, Hey,

608
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,860
S4: guess what? We don't have a dad as well, you know?

609
00:29:27,860 --> 00:29:30,020
S4: We know. You mean to come over to our side?

610
00:29:30,020 --> 00:29:31,940
S4: That's what they'll do. I know that's what they'll do.

611
00:29:32,390 --> 00:29:33,560
S5: So the next movie, I think that.

612
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,320
S4: They'll probably have some more action. Jason will try to

613
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,140
S4: kill them, destroy the world or whatever. They'll eventually win

614
00:29:39,140 --> 00:29:41,450
S4: him over, but then they'll be like an even bigger enemy.

615
00:29:41,450 --> 00:29:43,280
S4: Who knows what it'll be? It'll be like some sort

616
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,010
S4: of whatever the like, Ice-T thing is. Like, maybe it'll

617
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,410
S4: be some social media thing or like.

618
00:29:48,980 --> 00:29:50,060
S1: Like a TikTok star.

619
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:51,500
S5: Yeah, like a TikTok.

620
00:29:51,500 --> 00:29:53,510
S4: Star or like some sort of, like, tapping into, like,

621
00:29:53,510 --> 00:29:56,209
S4: the Russia-Ukraine War or something. Like, they're so good at

622
00:29:56,210 --> 00:29:58,250
S4: tapping into like, the things that are going on in

623
00:29:58,250 --> 00:30:01,040
S4: the world. So it'll be like or a virus or

624
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,910
S4: something like it'll be some bigger, bigger common enemy. And

625
00:30:04,910 --> 00:30:08,660
S4: then they'll spend the final movie overcoming that. And then

626
00:30:08,660 --> 00:30:13,130
S4: I think what will happen is like those senior cast,

627
00:30:13,130 --> 00:30:17,209
S4: like that core cast, like Michelle Rodriguez, Jordana Brewster, Vin Diesel,

628
00:30:17,390 --> 00:30:19,910
S4: I think that they'll sort of like retire them. And

629
00:30:19,910 --> 00:30:21,530
S4: then the people who are part of like the next

630
00:30:21,530 --> 00:30:24,170
S4: generation will have like some sort of spinoff.

631
00:30:24,590 --> 00:30:26,930
S1: Yeah, I think, I think you're right. I think this

632
00:30:26,930 --> 00:30:31,760
S1: particular kind of story, the Vin Diesel Dominic Toretto story,

633
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,090
S1: I think is reaching an end. I mean, like it's

634
00:30:35,090 --> 00:30:38,420
S1: it will be 25 plus years by the time the

635
00:30:38,420 --> 00:30:42,470
S1: final movie's come out. But yeah, the name is so valuable.

636
00:30:42,470 --> 00:30:46,550
S1: The emotion, the emotional connection is there. People will want

637
00:30:46,550 --> 00:30:50,820
S1: to follow this on TV shows in future films as well.

638
00:30:50,820 --> 00:30:54,580
S1: Of that, I have no doubt. Brooke Boney, thank you

639
00:30:54,580 --> 00:30:57,489
S1: so much for diving into all of this with me.

640
00:30:57,490 --> 00:30:59,800
S1: It was a real pleasure to to talk about this

641
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,580
S1: franchise with you. Thank you, Oz. Let's go to my

642
00:31:03,580 --> 00:31:07,180
S1: interview now with Charlize, Brie, Michele and Helen.

643
00:31:35,850 --> 00:31:39,060
S7: Oh, yeah. I think it's, you know, it's a testament

644
00:31:39,060 --> 00:31:44,670
S7: to the, you know, to the producers, to Vin and his,

645
00:31:44,670 --> 00:31:48,660
S7: you know, security in his own masculinity, that he doesn't

646
00:31:48,660 --> 00:31:52,530
S7: feel intimidated by having strong women around him. You know,

647
00:31:52,530 --> 00:31:57,090
S7: it's also about universal generating the space to have these

648
00:31:57,090 --> 00:32:01,200
S7: kickass girls express themselves. And so, like, you know, it's

649
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,420
S7: just a testament to to all the work that we

650
00:32:03,420 --> 00:32:05,700
S7: put in in the early 2000s, you know, And I'm

651
00:32:05,700 --> 00:32:08,450
S7: just so happy that it's that it's grown into this tree.

652
00:32:08,460 --> 00:32:08,970
S7: You know.

653
00:32:08,970 --> 00:32:11,160
S1: I can be reductive to just ask women about what

654
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:12,989
S1: it's like to be women in a film. It's not

655
00:32:12,990 --> 00:32:14,520
S1: really where I want to go, but I just thought

656
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:18,540
S1: that statistic was so significant. And I know Charlie's surprised

657
00:32:18,540 --> 00:32:21,720
S1: that I kind of took an action film, ten films

658
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,080
S1: into the franchise to bring together, like such an extraordinary

659
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,560
S1: cast of award winning, critically acclaimed women actors.

660
00:32:28,770 --> 00:32:31,140
S8: I mean, I think in retrospect, we could always say, like, God,

661
00:32:31,140 --> 00:32:34,770
S8: we wish it would happen sooner, right? I think women

662
00:32:34,770 --> 00:32:39,270
S8: would all agree that it's been it's been tough, like

663
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,450
S8: getting our footing in there. But I always refer to

664
00:32:42,450 --> 00:32:45,720
S8: her as the true OG, who stepped into a franchise movie,

665
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,990
S8: really worked hard to figure out how to stand for

666
00:32:48,990 --> 00:32:50,730
S8: what she wanted this to be. And I don't think

667
00:32:50,730 --> 00:32:54,060
S8: it was always very easy. So yeah, in that retrospect,

668
00:32:54,060 --> 00:32:56,100
S8: I don't I hate that it was that way for her,

669
00:32:56,100 --> 00:32:58,950
S8: was that way for all of us. But it's nice

670
00:32:58,950 --> 00:33:02,220
S8: to just like not be bitter and just enjoy this moment,

671
00:33:02,220 --> 00:33:04,920
S8: you know? I'm going to be in a wheelchair in

672
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,430
S8: about three years, though. What? I wish it happened a

673
00:33:08,430 --> 00:33:10,500
S8: little earlier just for my body. What are.

674
00:33:10,500 --> 00:33:11,040
S9: You doing?

675
00:33:11,130 --> 00:33:13,920
S8: Oh, my. For my hip replacement surgery.

676
00:33:14,670 --> 00:33:17,040
S10: It's going to happen next year. Stop aging.

677
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:18,440
S7: Yourself. Why do you do that?

678
00:33:18,450 --> 00:33:21,780
S8: No, I just. I listen, I'm not 20 anymore. After

679
00:33:21,780 --> 00:33:24,750
S8: every movie, I have to get surgery. Like I just

680
00:33:24,750 --> 00:33:27,540
S8: fixed my shoulder. I wish, you know. True. Yeah, because.

681
00:33:27,930 --> 00:33:31,200
S7: Because she throws herself completely into what she does and

682
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,080
S7: kind of forgets that the body has to follow. Yeah.

683
00:33:34,900 --> 00:33:35,820
S11: Silly me.

684
00:33:36,810 --> 00:33:39,150
S7: I mean, she's also shooting, like, three action movies at

685
00:33:39,150 --> 00:33:39,690
S7: a time.

686
00:33:41,130 --> 00:33:44,970
S11: Slow them down. What's wrong with you, woman? You can

687
00:33:44,970 --> 00:33:47,940
S11: swear on this. Bleep yourself. Yeah, I did. It's a

688
00:33:47,940 --> 00:33:50,670
S11: really good talent because you still move the lip, and

689
00:33:50,670 --> 00:33:53,719
S11: then this is, like, so good. My jet lag. That

690
00:33:53,730 --> 00:33:56,130
S11: is a crazy glitch in the matrix.

691
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,459
S1: Bring the freshest to the franchise. That of the three

692
00:33:59,460 --> 00:34:03,210
S1: of you here, it's been more than two decades that

693
00:34:03,210 --> 00:34:05,760
S1: these moves have been being made. There's such a long

694
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,629
S1: running connection and stories that a lot of the cast have.

695
00:34:09,660 --> 00:34:11,640
S1: Was it intimidating at all or did you feel like.

696
00:34:11,850 --> 00:34:16,020
S11: Yeah, I mean, in my head it was intimidating. Then

697
00:34:16,020 --> 00:34:17,669
S11: I met everybody and they were really nice, so then

698
00:34:17,670 --> 00:34:20,640
S11: it was fine. I felt comfortable. But yes, I went

699
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,130
S11: through this extreme excitement like, Oh my gosh, I can't

700
00:34:23,130 --> 00:34:24,390
S11: believe I get to do this is my dream job.

701
00:34:24,390 --> 00:34:26,850
S11: And then like in a ball, like, what am I

702
00:34:26,850 --> 00:34:29,879
S11: going to do? Like, can I actually do this? Because

703
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:31,740
S11: it's not I mean, this was kind of the first

704
00:34:31,739 --> 00:34:33,600
S11: time for me where I'm stepping into something that has

705
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,290
S11: this heritage, this legacy that I respect so much. And

706
00:34:37,290 --> 00:34:39,180
S11: so there's a lot of pressure that I was putting

707
00:34:39,180 --> 00:34:40,770
S11: on myself with that because I want to be at

708
00:34:40,770 --> 00:34:41,850
S11: the same level as them.

709
00:34:42,090 --> 00:34:43,830
S1: Did you find that, Charlize, when you joined you joined

710
00:34:43,830 --> 00:34:46,229
S1: a few movies ago, and was it a pretty quick

711
00:34:46,230 --> 00:34:47,820
S1: thing to go from the newcomer to now? You're just

712
00:34:47,820 --> 00:34:50,850
S1: part of the the family in a kind of bizarre

713
00:34:50,850 --> 00:34:53,560
S1: twist in this movie, sort of building alliances with people

714
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:54,600
S1: we didn't expect to see.

715
00:34:55,020 --> 00:34:56,700
S7: Sick, psychotic.

716
00:34:56,700 --> 00:34:58,560
S12: Twist come down.

717
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,090
S8: That's you know, I feel like my character is a

718
00:35:03,090 --> 00:35:06,420
S8: little bit different just because she's a psychopath.

719
00:35:08,070 --> 00:35:09,240
S1: You guys are getting along.

720
00:35:10,140 --> 00:35:14,279
S8: I'm like even off camera. Like, I was never really

721
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,129
S8: around the rest of the cast. Like on the first

722
00:35:17,130 --> 00:35:20,320
S8: movie I only worked with, I saw you in five,

723
00:35:20,340 --> 00:35:22,860
S8: five seconds on the floor. Yeah, most of the time.

724
00:35:22,860 --> 00:35:25,080
S8: I was just with then. And then the second time

725
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,529
S8: around I was in a box. So this has been.

726
00:35:28,620 --> 00:35:30,090
S7: A mastermind chess player.

727
00:35:30,510 --> 00:35:32,310
S8: I mean, we used to, like, see each other premieres

728
00:35:32,310 --> 00:35:35,970
S8: and I'd be like, Yeah, what's up? So it's different

729
00:35:35,969 --> 00:35:38,310
S8: in the sense that I always felt so much support

730
00:35:38,310 --> 00:35:41,070
S8: from her. And like when I did see her, like

731
00:35:41,070 --> 00:35:44,310
S8: pass me and base camp, like she always made it

732
00:35:44,310 --> 00:35:46,080
S8: a point to be like, What do you need? Or

733
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,290
S8: you'd be taking care of? And I just so appreciated that.

734
00:35:49,770 --> 00:35:52,140
S1: I'm really interested to get each of your perspectives on

735
00:35:52,140 --> 00:35:55,200
S1: why this franchise at a time when so many that

736
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,150
S1: we thought would just be around forever kind of waning

737
00:35:57,150 --> 00:36:01,020
S1: a bit fast keeps growing and growing. I have my

738
00:36:01,020 --> 00:36:03,090
S1: own theories. To me, I think there's been like diversity

739
00:36:03,090 --> 00:36:05,790
S1: embedded in it from day one. I'm curious as to

740
00:36:05,790 --> 00:36:09,000
S1: whether you guys have thoughts on that or other other theories.

741
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,239
S7: Michelle You what? I'm not going to pretend to know

742
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,989
S7: what the magic formula is. Tell us. But no, no.

743
00:36:15,989 --> 00:36:18,270
S13: But it could be you. You've been there for me. No, no,

744
00:36:18,300 --> 00:36:18,720
S13: it is.

745
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,140
S14: You know what? To be fair, I honestly think that

746
00:36:22,140 --> 00:36:24,029
S14: it's the platform.

747
00:36:25,020 --> 00:36:26,339
S7: I do think that.

748
00:36:26,340 --> 00:36:29,790
S14: That one of the ingredients is Vin's relationship with the

749
00:36:29,790 --> 00:36:34,920
S14: fans and their involvement with with the franchise itself. I mean.

750
00:36:35,300 --> 00:36:40,160
S7: They wanted me back. I came back. You know, they

751
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,860
S7: fight for certain things when they see something.

752
00:36:42,860 --> 00:36:45,410
S14: That they don't like, they they voice it and they're

753
00:36:45,410 --> 00:36:48,110
S14: listened to. So they're the fans are a big.

754
00:36:48,110 --> 00:36:50,600
S7: Part of of the franchise. And I don't think that

755
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,170
S7: there's I can't name off the top of my head

756
00:36:54,170 --> 00:36:57,110
S7: any other franchise that includes them as much as Fast.

757
00:36:57,110 --> 00:36:57,649
S14: And Furious.

758
00:36:57,650 --> 00:36:58,250
S15: Does.

759
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,860
S14: And I think that the fact that we were there.

760
00:37:00,860 --> 00:37:05,270
S7: Before globalization took its took its toll on the world,

761
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,120
S7: I think that we represent kind of like what hip

762
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,240
S7: hop did to the music industry and that respect of

763
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,150
S7: diversity and inclusion. And once.

764
00:37:14,150 --> 00:37:15,230
S14: Once people realize.

765
00:37:15,230 --> 00:37:18,680
S7: That there's money to be made, it was like, you know,

766
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:20,510
S7: it was like, drop mic.

767
00:37:21,230 --> 00:37:21,710
S1: Yeah, crazy.

768
00:37:22,010 --> 00:37:23,149
S7: We're serious. Done.

769
00:37:23,930 --> 00:37:26,930
S1: Yeah. Free. As someone who was watching this from the outside,

770
00:37:26,930 --> 00:37:29,690
S1: I guess for the first nine films, did you have

771
00:37:29,690 --> 00:37:32,330
S1: a theory as to why these movies just kept growing

772
00:37:32,330 --> 00:37:34,819
S1: and bringing so many fans into that relationship?

773
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,779
S11: I mean, I watched the movies to enjoy them. I

774
00:37:38,780 --> 00:37:41,750
S11: wasn't like analyzing them being like, What are they doing?

775
00:37:43,190 --> 00:37:47,840
S11: But in going through and rewatching all of them, I

776
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,750
S11: do think the core concept of family being at the

777
00:37:50,750 --> 00:37:53,000
S11: center of all of this is what sets it apart,

778
00:37:53,450 --> 00:37:57,650
S11: because we want to see car chases and explosions and

779
00:37:57,650 --> 00:38:01,250
S11: people doing the impossible. But if it's soulless, at a

780
00:38:01,250 --> 00:38:04,610
S11: certain point you get bored. But there's like true connection

781
00:38:04,610 --> 00:38:07,910
S11: and love and value systems that are embedded in it.

782
00:38:07,910 --> 00:38:10,040
S11: And I think that's what makes it different. It makes

783
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,260
S11: it worth your while to go out of your way

784
00:38:12,260 --> 00:38:14,540
S11: to go to the theater and not just go alone,

785
00:38:14,540 --> 00:38:17,000
S11: but you want to bring your family. It becomes an event.

786
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,640
S1: Yeah, Watching these things in theaters is the most fun experience.

787
00:38:19,790 --> 00:38:22,400
S1: The crowds are the most diverse and like. Like just

788
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,140
S1: looks like the whole country in a way that few

789
00:38:24,140 --> 00:38:26,270
S1: movies do. Yeah. Charlize I've heard from a few of

790
00:38:26,270 --> 00:38:28,970
S1: the other cast that Vin is so hands on with

791
00:38:28,969 --> 00:38:32,450
S1: the cast in terms of character development, where their stories go.

792
00:38:32,450 --> 00:38:35,540
S1: Is that your experience? Is it a pretty collaborative process

793
00:38:35,540 --> 00:38:38,150
S1: with him to kind of figure out where things go next?

794
00:38:39,260 --> 00:38:42,350
S8: Yeah. I mean, I feel like when I came in,

795
00:38:42,350 --> 00:38:44,029
S8: I didn't even think that I would have to like,

796
00:38:44,030 --> 00:38:45,770
S8: figure out that much because I didn't know if I

797
00:38:45,770 --> 00:38:48,920
S8: was going to come back. So it was very, very

798
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,350
S8: specific what I was coming in to do. And all

799
00:38:51,350 --> 00:38:55,069
S8: they said was, you need to we need you to

800
00:38:55,070 --> 00:38:57,290
S8: turn this a little bit on its head. We need

801
00:38:57,290 --> 00:38:59,480
S8: to like get Dom in a place. And so that

802
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,820
S8: was my like, that's what we geared towards and that's

803
00:39:01,820 --> 00:39:04,850
S8: what everybody worked towards, was to create a character that

804
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,810
S8: could be impactful enough to have somebody like Dom who's

805
00:39:08,810 --> 00:39:12,710
S8: like a pretty solid guy have him flip. And so

806
00:39:12,710 --> 00:39:15,680
S8: I thought that it was really smart to like take

807
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:20,330
S8: the character from that as the objective and, and inform

808
00:39:20,330 --> 00:39:24,770
S8: her that way. Everybody was really everybody hands down, super

809
00:39:24,770 --> 00:39:29,420
S8: collaborative open there. You know, I wanted to go pretty far.

810
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,330
S8: I said like there's been a lot of villains on this.

811
00:39:32,330 --> 00:39:34,250
S8: If I'm going to do this, I need to like,

812
00:39:34,250 --> 00:39:35,989
S8: know that we're going to create a villain that's like.

813
00:39:35,989 --> 00:39:37,129
S7: Brutal, like, so.

814
00:39:37,130 --> 00:39:39,260
S8: Mean. But they could have easily said like, No, it's

815
00:39:39,260 --> 00:39:41,390
S8: not for us. Like, don't do that. They trusted.

816
00:39:41,390 --> 00:39:43,550
S7: Me. Just cold man. Hard and cold.

817
00:39:43,550 --> 00:39:44,870
S1: My favorite villain in the franchise.

818
00:39:45,020 --> 00:39:47,210
S12: Yeah. Hands down. Yeah.

819
00:39:52,050 --> 00:39:55,370
S1: First, Han is the first film to feature four women

820
00:39:55,370 --> 00:39:59,540
S1: who've won Academy Awards. You are obviously one of them. How? Firstly,

821
00:39:59,540 --> 00:40:01,070
S1: how does it feel to be part of that team?

822
00:40:01,070 --> 00:40:03,589
S1: But also I'm really interested in how you feel about

823
00:40:03,590 --> 00:40:06,380
S1: the fact that it took an action franchise like Fast

824
00:40:06,380 --> 00:40:08,120
S1: to to make something like that happen.

825
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:13,850
S16: It's that interesting, I think partly because in, in in

826
00:40:13,850 --> 00:40:17,480
S16: a franchise like this, there are a lot of roles,

827
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,989
S16: there's a lot of possibilities if you like. You know,

828
00:40:20,989 --> 00:40:23,810
S16: it's not a small film between two characters. You know,

829
00:40:23,810 --> 00:40:27,230
S16: there's a it's a big canvas and all the characters

830
00:40:27,230 --> 00:40:34,340
S16: are very big, very, very proactive. And I think in general,

831
00:40:34,340 --> 00:40:38,359
S16: the great respect and agency that the filmmakers give to

832
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:42,290
S16: women in general and always have done all through the franchise,

833
00:40:42,290 --> 00:40:45,380
S16: women are never, you know, cowering in the corner. They're

834
00:40:45,380 --> 00:40:50,600
S16: always stepping forward, which is great. And it means that actresses,

835
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:54,610
S16: female actors want to work in that in, you know,

836
00:40:54,710 --> 00:40:58,010
S16: in these in these roles and these circumstances is not

837
00:40:58,010 --> 00:41:02,330
S16: really the fact that they are huge franchises or their

838
00:41:02,330 --> 00:41:07,069
S16: big action sequences. It's because the the female characters are very,

839
00:41:07,310 --> 00:41:10,820
S16: very even. You know, Queenie, I just have one scene

840
00:41:10,820 --> 00:41:15,290
S16: in this particular episode, but, you know, it's a great scene.

841
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:16,700
S16: It's a really nice scene.

842
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,580
S1: I know that you're a fan of the franchise even

843
00:41:19,580 --> 00:41:22,280
S1: before you joined it. I'm really interested on your theories

844
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,830
S1: as to why you think it more than almost any

845
00:41:24,830 --> 00:41:28,910
S1: other franchise has not just continued to thrive but grown

846
00:41:28,910 --> 00:41:29,719
S1: and grown.

847
00:41:30,230 --> 00:41:35,870
S16: Well, partly, I think, because the the technicality. That's available.

848
00:41:35,870 --> 00:41:40,190
S16: The tech techniques that are available have grown and grown

849
00:41:40,190 --> 00:41:43,730
S16: and grown in specifically over the last ten years. I

850
00:41:43,730 --> 00:41:46,520
S16: don't know how long ago the first one was, but

851
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,130
S16: in that period of time, when was it? More than.

852
00:41:49,130 --> 00:41:49,910
S1: 20 years? I think.

853
00:41:50,260 --> 00:41:53,550
S16: A while. Yeah, There you go. So, you know, the

854
00:41:53,570 --> 00:41:57,500
S16: what you can do on film has grown exponentially in

855
00:41:57,500 --> 00:42:00,290
S16: that period of time and the films have grown with that.

856
00:42:00,830 --> 00:42:05,330
S16: And and I think because the fundamental themes of the

857
00:42:05,330 --> 00:42:10,640
S16: film are actually very profound to all of us, obviously

858
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:15,920
S16: the family theme, but, you know, love, support, battling through

859
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:21,350
S16: opposition as a group. I think a very sort of

860
00:42:21,350 --> 00:42:25,009
S16: fundamental to human behavior anyway. So I think it's a

861
00:42:25,010 --> 00:42:27,050
S16: combination of of things.

862
00:42:27,260 --> 00:42:29,690
S1: We were talking about the role that women have played

863
00:42:29,690 --> 00:42:31,940
S1: in the franchise from day one before. But I wonder,

864
00:42:31,940 --> 00:42:33,950
S1: do you think the films get enough credit not just

865
00:42:33,950 --> 00:42:36,860
S1: for diversity in that regard, but you think about race,

866
00:42:36,860 --> 00:42:40,219
S1: you think about age from from day one. They've always

867
00:42:40,219 --> 00:42:42,560
S1: been a franchise that reflects everyone.

868
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:47,060
S16: Absolutely. Absolutely. Totally. Right. And thank you for pointing that out,

869
00:42:47,060 --> 00:42:50,900
S16: because that is absolutely true. And I think that's another

870
00:42:50,900 --> 00:42:54,799
S16: mark of in its natural way because it wasn't like

871
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,819
S16: a political thing or a, oh gosh, you know, let's

872
00:42:58,820 --> 00:43:00,620
S16: have an older woman in because we haven't got any

873
00:43:00,620 --> 00:43:04,400
S16: old women in it. I kind of thing it was

874
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:08,030
S16: it was natural to the storytelling to to just to

875
00:43:08,030 --> 00:43:12,320
S16: them mentality and attitude to life. So of the filmmakers,

876
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,830
S16: you know, then obviously being, you know, our fearless leader.

877
00:43:16,489 --> 00:43:19,640
S16: And I think the fact that it happened organically like

878
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:23,660
S16: that is also no one feels they're being got at.

879
00:43:23,660 --> 00:43:24,439
S16: Do you know what I mean?

880
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,109
S1: And I feel scared calling Dame Helen Mirren an older woman.

881
00:43:27,110 --> 00:43:30,020
S1: But it's not just that. But you're doing you're driving

882
00:43:30,020 --> 00:43:33,259
S1: cars really fast, right? There's no tokenism in that pressure.

883
00:43:33,290 --> 00:43:35,420
S17: Older women do drive cars really fast.

884
00:43:36,290 --> 00:43:38,200
S1: The last thing I wanted to ask you is a

885
00:43:38,210 --> 00:43:40,339
S1: few of the cast I've spoken to talk about Vin's

886
00:43:40,340 --> 00:43:43,040
S1: role in terms of working with the cast, in terms

887
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S1: of where the characters go. Has that been your experience?

888
00:43:45,170 --> 00:43:47,839
S1: Has it been quite a dynamic process with VIN in

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S1: this series?

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S16: Yes, I think that we just feel and I don't

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00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,489
S16: know how it works with the other cast members, but

892
00:43:55,489 --> 00:43:58,399
S16: we just naturally let it happen. And and I think

893
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:02,300
S16: our natural chemistry that we have between us just is

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S16: allow you we just allow that to sort of play

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S16: out on the screen in terms of creating the character.

896
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S16: You know, she Queenie is very much my sort of creation.

897
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S16: She comes from my background, my family, my mom's family background.

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S16: She's named after an aunt of mine and she's, you know,

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S16: East End London, you know, and and that is that's

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S16: very much a part of my background, not the whole part,

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S16: but a part of my background. So she's she's my

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S16: little creation there.

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S1: That's awesome. That's wonderful. Thank you so much, Alan.

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S17: Thank you. Pleasure.

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