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Speaker 1: Insideline returns for another week. Goog Harrison Hoops and Pato

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Speaker 1: in the hot seats. Good day, gentlemen, great to have

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Speaker 1: you in. We're just twenty four less than twenty four

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Speaker 1: hours away from Joe Schmitt naming his first Wallaby squad

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Speaker 1: of twenty twenty five. It'll be a squad picked for

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Speaker 1: the first Test against Fiji, not for the lines that'll

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Speaker 1: get named some five days later. But Pato, you're the

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Speaker 1: man who's usually got all the scoops. What are we

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Speaker 1: expecting from Joe's first squad?

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Speaker 2: No scoops, unfortunately today, that's not a good, great way

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Speaker 2: to start the podcast. So no, I can give you

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Speaker 2: some I can give you some detail. It's going to

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Speaker 2: be a forty man squad.

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Speaker 3: I think he with.

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Speaker 2: Joe Schmitt is he's one of those coaches that makes up.

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Speaker 3: His mind at the last minute.

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Speaker 2: So for people who are trying to sniff around the

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Speaker 2: hasn't made many yet. And they will gather in Sydney

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Speaker 2: on Sunday, So there's going to be kind of like

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Speaker 2: a squad naming tomorrow. As you say, it's ostensibly for

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Speaker 2: the FIGI Test. But you know, we're going to find

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Speaker 2: out all the answers to all the questions tomorrow pretty much.

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Speaker 2: They'll refine that after the FIGI Test. I think it'll

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Speaker 3: But yeah, it's finally here.

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Speaker 2: It would be really interesting to find out which direction

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Speaker 2: he goes in. My guess is it'll be a story

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Speaker 2: of consistency. I don't see a thousand volters coming into

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Speaker 2: this squad, but we'll find out.

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Speaker 1: Would you imagine if there's a name that's not in

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't think that, Like, if you want to win,

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Speaker 4: we've got to work back from a three zip win

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Speaker 4: do that, And that's getting the guys that can give

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Speaker 4: So working back from that endpoint talking about preparation performance

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Speaker 4: in those test matches, you've got to name them tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: So I mean, yes, there's a lot of potential for injury,

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Speaker 4: potential for things to happen once you get the squad involved,

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Speaker 4: but I don't think you're going to see too much

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Speaker 5: By that point, I.

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Speaker 6: Mean the notional bolt. Everyone wants the headline of a

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Speaker 6: bolter ultimately to your points, it's super specific. Now there's

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Speaker 6: enough anecdotal evidence and the end of your tour, last

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Speaker 6: to spring tours and Wallaby campaigns consistency under Joe Schmidt

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Speaker 6: to give us a pretty good roadmap to thirty two

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Speaker 6: to thirty three odd players. They're probably going to be

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Speaker 6: four or five six uncapped players. So if that's a bolter,

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Speaker 6: that's a bolter. But we're going to be we're going to.

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Speaker 3: Be reckon that many.

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Speaker 6: For there's forty it's just about every fit rugby player.

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Speaker 2: Well, and the other thing is is that he named

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Speaker 2: nineteen blokes in game pretty much all caps last year,

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Speaker 6: You know, is it one cap person or two cap

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Speaker 6: they're not a bolt not necessarily a season wall are they?

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Speaker 4: What about like a seventy or eighty cap Wallaby? Yeah,

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Speaker 7: But what Bernard Foley there a chance there.

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Speaker 4: I hope, you know, hope that Noah pulls up all

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Speaker 4: for these head injuries. And Bernard was playing well in

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Speaker 4: jan or is playing well up in Japan. The guy

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Speaker 4: Moonger's team up in Japan. Yes, he's a friend of mine. Again,

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Speaker 4: I'm coming from a place of a little bit of bias.

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Speaker 5: This point in time. Now are our tens?

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Speaker 4: They're going really well, but are they absolutely killing it?

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Speaker 4: We might find out in that Fiji game. Or do

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Speaker 2: It's one hundred right, And James O'Connor would pardon me,

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Speaker 3: He'd be a bolter selection.

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Speaker 2: Despite the fact that both of those guys have played

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Speaker 2: you're right, Like when you think about how Lin's tests

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Speaker 3: Over a pressure.

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Speaker 2: Kick, someone standing over a pressure kick to win a

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Speaker 6: Well, we saw also the importance of valid point. You

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Speaker 6: be involved in that line squat so one right, bring

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Speaker 6: that they're very bernafold. I'm talking about, not them or

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Speaker 6: James o'cona as well. Possibly we've seen what an injury

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Speaker 6: Tom lin I went off early, lost of momentum. Right.

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Speaker 6: The importance for a strain rugby, the style of play

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Speaker 6: just repair the game for the starting temp. That's a

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Speaker 1: One thing I think I've already seen it reported, and

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Speaker 1: I think it's probably expected, is that of the forty

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Speaker 1: more than anyone else. Is it important to name a

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Speaker 4: It's really hard to sit outside here and say you

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Speaker 4: we're not in there every day. And I think what

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Speaker 4: didn't they They didn't really they named they aim a different

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Speaker 5: Is that right games?

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Speaker 1: Or Liam Wright got injured after that, that's right, yes,

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Speaker 4: I'm just obsessed with the idea of what does it

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Speaker 4: for this squad needs to take real importance in thinking

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Speaker 5: Be there for captain?

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Speaker 4: The challenge with that this team's got is who's on

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Speaker 5: Some do it very well, but it's difficult.

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Speaker 4: The good thing about a back rower why Harry Wilson

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Speaker 4: think because you're close enough proximity to the referee, you're

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Speaker 4: I'm not in there every day. I know a lot

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Speaker 4: Series three?

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Speaker 2: Is it?

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Speaker 1: On the topic of captaincy, really, Keen goog your inside

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Speaker 7: Good, but there's no captain named tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: How does leadership actually work within this forty man squad

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Speaker 1: leading up to the Fiji Test, even if internally they

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Speaker 6: Well, I think exactly that the group feeds up to

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Speaker 6: Galvan as a captain. It's not the other way around.

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Speaker 6: He's not a void of direction in absence of a captain.

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Speaker 6: In fact, it promotes everyone else an opportunity to have

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Speaker 6: So I don't think that there's going to be fine

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Speaker 6: Well? Also, I mean, you know, it's like any rumor

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Speaker 5: Really, i'd want to name it tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: There needs to be some ceremonial element to name me

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Speaker 4: I don't think we should focus on the ceremonial. We

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Speaker 7: Is, first Test is this Saturday. Their first game.

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Speaker 2: I think that we're going to see overall. I mean,

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Speaker 3: That the lines are a new team. People forget that

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Speaker 1: Will prepare for the first Test, this isn't mailbag, but

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Speaker 5: You got one. So how he breaks that down?

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Speaker 6: For I'd be surprised if a game plan that's designed

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Speaker 6: have the doing part, you're going to be full of

441
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Speaker 6: ip part for Wallabies. And that's the skill of a

442
00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:59,960
Speaker 6: captain to get that together and get that energy and release.

443
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Speaker 5: Can I just say, I'm not suggesting that we're going

444
00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:03,840
Speaker 5: to win three mil.

445
00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:06,040
Speaker 7: You're working back.

446
00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,600
Speaker 4: That's what you're working back from. That's what and that's

447
00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,880
Speaker 4: that should be the goal. And can I just say

448
00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:13,880
Speaker 4: just in the preparation thing, I just have to because

449
00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,360
Speaker 4: history is important in this. We played as a warm

450
00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:21,920
Speaker 4: up game as the Wallabies the Sunny Coast team race.

451
00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:26,320
Speaker 4: Maybe the thing the team that used it was torrential rain.

452
00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:30,080
Speaker 4: Like torrential rain we played I think too, you know,

453
00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,840
Speaker 4: two thirty minutes or something rolled out different teams.

454
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Speaker 5: That was our.

455
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Speaker 4: Wallaby warm up into that and I remember sit like

456
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Speaker 4: you're running a sixty meters one try and that didn't

457
00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,720
Speaker 4: happen in the test. But the great thing of what

458
00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,480
Speaker 4: I think, you know, Ra have managed to is get

459
00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:49,880
Speaker 4: a legitimate test for our guys heading into this game.

460
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Speaker 4: I think that's really good and I think that's as

461
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Speaker 4: good a prep as you can hope for in this situation.

462
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Speaker 2: Do you you know, can you imagine the bloat looking

463
00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:02,520
Speaker 2: at Timari back to the well it's about five.

464
00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:04,159
Speaker 4: Bags not You know what I love about it is

465
00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,400
Speaker 4: the fact as a player, you're.

466
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Speaker 5: You, I remember that Sunny Coast going. I better not

467
00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,439
Speaker 5: bloody get injured. Yeah, like you know.

468
00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,560
Speaker 4: Whereas the Fiji one, it's like, okay, you know we

469
00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,080
Speaker 4: play these guys and Drew this is proper.

470
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Speaker 5: We played them since the World Cup.

471
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Speaker 4: You know, this is this is on and that's a

472
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Speaker 4: good preparation for a player.

473
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Speaker 6: Let's also speak to this squad, right, forty let's say

474
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Speaker 6: down to thirty two, down to probably in nucleus of

475
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Speaker 6: twenty seven. They're going to be your hot bodies, you know,

476
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Speaker 6: releasing some of them for provincial games, and how far

477
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,720
Speaker 6: out to put them at risk? You know, I'll go

478
00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:39,840
Speaker 6: right back in time to a one were there were

479
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Speaker 6: you know, Herbert s Nathan Gray's healthy starting players playing

480
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Speaker 6: in those. So maybe you get a few a bit

481
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Speaker 6: of cheap achiead activity there.

482
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Speaker 3: I think.

483
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Speaker 2: I think, just by the schedule and the circumstances that

484
00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:59,720
Speaker 2: they're going into with preparing for this test, I don't

485
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Speaker 2: think it's going to be like any tool that we've

486
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,919
Speaker 2: seen before. So already in what way, well already I

487
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,800
Speaker 2: reckon tomorrow they're going to say, like, because the Force

488
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,920
Speaker 2: play the Lions effectively a week later, it's the following Saturday. Right,

489
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 2: you've got guys who are going to be in this

490
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Speaker 2: squad from the Western Force, and Joe said, we will

491
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Speaker 2: look to quarantine a group of players and then will

492
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Speaker 2: leave a bunch of players in Perth to play the Lions. Right,

493
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Speaker 2: So they're not going to get guys, fly them all

494
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Speaker 2: the way over here, meet up to a few days training,

495
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Speaker 2: then fly home, So already tomorrow you're going to have

496
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Speaker 2: to He's going to be saying this guy, this guy,

497
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 2: this guy, this guy are coming across and they're staying here.

498
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:41,320
Speaker 3: So we're going to find.

499
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Speaker 2: Out already who are high value players and who already

500
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Speaker 2: ring fenced. So he will be prioritizing a training week

501
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 2: with the Wallabies over the potential for some of these

502
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:56,439
Speaker 2: guys to be back playing for the Force because it

503
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Speaker 2: just won't work.

504
00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:58,360
Speaker 3: You have to have one or the other.

505
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Speaker 2: And it will be probably the same for Queensland, which

506
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:06,159
Speaker 2: is the following Wednesday, right, Like he's going to prioritize,

507
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:10,439
Speaker 2: like you're saying, going hard with that best team against Fiji,

508
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,400
Speaker 2: they will just those guys won't be saying they will

509
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,439
Speaker 2: just keep training all the way through till that week.

510
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 2: And you know, the guys you might see coming back

511
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 2: into play against the Lions will.

512
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Speaker 3: Be players thirty to forty sort of thing.

513
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Speaker 1: Well, they're interesting thing, just going back to what Goog

514
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,919
Speaker 1: said about two thousand and one, I've gone back and

515
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,159
Speaker 1: looked at some of the team lineups and compared those

516
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 1: provincial matches versus the team the Wallabies name for the

517
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 1: first Test, and someone like Nathan Gray played for Australia

518
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Speaker 1: A in Gosford, which you played for goog and then

519
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,119
Speaker 1: eleven days later played was named and started in the

520
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 1: first Test. Dan Herbert, Nick Styles, toddo Kefu all played

521
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 1: for the Reds fourteen days before the first Test and

522
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 1: we're all named to start.

523
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Speaker 3: It was great, It was crazy.

524
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Speaker 6: So that's your Fiji Test, isn't it really? Seven days? Yeah?

525
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 4: Some of those those aren't remarkable times. I think the

526
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 4: trouble is going to be what about the what about

527
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 4: the third string ten? You know, like with the Reds

528
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 4: game for example, you know the night before the Reds

529
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 4: play Sorry it's the Reds then Newcastle?

530
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 5: Was that right?

531
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 7: Or the Tars played the US before?

532
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 5: Yeah?

533
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 4: Games like that, you know, do you you've got players

534
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 4: all days? But if you've got players you're coming in

535
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 4: coming out, that causes a little bit of disruption if.

536
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:30,919
Speaker 1: Camp that leads me to questioning You've said, everyone I

537
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 1: think on the pedal has sort of gone with the

538
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 1: same idea. As you pick your best twenty three to

539
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 1: play that Fiji Test, just give them as much time

540
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 1: together because that's the team you're planning on picking for

541
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 1: the Test one. But if you've got a lungy Gleason,

542
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 1: for instance, Let's say hypothetically who he expects he will

543
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 1: pick on the bench and he's best twenty three, But

544
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 1: Lungy hasn't played a game since the end of May. Yeah,

545
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: and it's the same we're going to get bench against

546
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 1: Fiji on a Sunday. He's he better served playing sixty

547
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 1: to seventy the night before for the war Retars.

548
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I think that the staff have had a

549
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,919
Speaker 4: long time to look at this. Yeah, And having an

550
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 4: individual player plan is really important. So maybe a lunging

551
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 4: Gleason can go leave camp the night before roll out

552
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 4: against the Wartars and brain it. Maybe he's a player

553
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 4: that can do that. But then there's some players that

554
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 4: might not be able to do that. Or is that

555
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 4: player leaving going to create too much of a void

556
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 4: in the group for them to train fifteen on fifteen?

557
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Speaker 5: Like, these are all discussions, and I.

558
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Speaker 4: Think I just want to add, I think we're in

559
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 4: a really great place with someone like Joe who's worked

560
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,719
Speaker 4: in an environment that has managed players so well for

561
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 4: so long. So we're not looking at you know, we

562
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 4: don't have to burn the candle for some players. I

563
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 4: think he's going to look at each player individually and

564
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 4: see where they can fit.

565
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:51,640
Speaker 3: Yep.

566
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,719
Speaker 4: Some might be able to fly over from per flyback,

567
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 4: and I mean physically you can do it. Some players

568
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 4: mentally might not be able to do it. And I

569
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:00,640
Speaker 4: think he's going to have a really good good grasp

570
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 4: and I hope that he has a really good grasp on.

571
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 4: Say a lung egleson is a great example. Yeah, let's

572
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 4: play it because he's going to really get a chance

573
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 4: to run at these guys, build a heap of confidence

574
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 4: for him personally, and then carry that into Test Matched

575
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:16,360
Speaker 4: if he's picked.

576
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Speaker 6: Or or his role is to come off the benches

577
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,880
Speaker 6: of wall of his player and inject himself into the game,

578
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 6: which is which is very different to being a starting

579
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 6: player and getting as many minutes as you can in

580
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 6: a sky Blue Jersey. It's a different mindset, it's a

581
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 6: different acceleration into game, different familiarity, very different game plan,

582
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 6: and different skill set of people around you. You know,

583
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,199
Speaker 6: as a coach, you would want to what are the

584
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 6: controllables you release Lungy Gleason to the wartas you lose

585
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 6: a little bit of control over his mindset and his

586
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 6: and his skill development and his game plan, and he's

587
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 6: involved in any treatment. You know, irrespective of the relationship

588
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,679
Speaker 6: between Dan and Joe, you're handing over your valuable resource.

589
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 6: I would think that I'm far controlling what I can control.

590
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 6: Laney Gleason may play seventy nine minutes, is the person

591
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 6: in front of him may get injured in that test.

592
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 6: So we're not saying he's only going to play fifteen.

593
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 6: He's ready to play eighty. But he's very ready to

594
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 6: be a Wallaby, a starting in the twenty three Wallaby

595
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 6: to take on the British and Ice lines. And this

596
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 6: is my validation for Langy Gleason because I want him

597
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 6: on the bench. You know, we're picking names here everyone.

598
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 6: Of course, that's the other part I would look at

599
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 6: as a coach. I would want to know where all

600
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,959
Speaker 6: the moving chess pieces are, and I want them all

601
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 6: in the hotel in bed by midnight, and I want

602
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,439
Speaker 6: them getting ready to drinking the kool aid for the

603
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 6: test campaign as soon as possible.

604
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 7: I think, like on air, getting a bit better, they

605
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 7: know how to play. It might not have been but

606
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 7: they're fit enough.

607
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:43,439
Speaker 6: They know how to play players.

608
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, that's actually the interesting thing. These days.

609
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 2: Is they just are quite confident to train for a

610
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 2: couple of weeks and then play a test match, right

611
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 2: And that used to not necessarily be the case. You

612
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 2: wanted to have a run under your belt, but they

613
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 2: seem pretty confident that if we just train hard. You know,

614
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 2: you got the thirty best players in Australia against each other,

615
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 2: you're going to get the quality you want.

616
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 4: Well, what do you what do you train for at

617
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 4: the moment? Like they have data coming out the wazu,

618
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 4: you know, like so they know that the longest passage

619
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 4: of play is going to be, you know, one hundred

620
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,199
Speaker 4: and eighty seconds, maybe a bit above that.

621
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Speaker 5: So that's what you're trained for.

622
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 4: So that's what you're preparing for your training for worst

623
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 4: case scenarios in training, and you can manufacture it. We're

624
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 4: going to fatigue you guys to the point of the

625
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 4: worst case you're going to get in the game, so

626
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 4: you can get it at training. What you can't get

627
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 4: is I think, and this is my opinion only, but

628
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 4: get you get hit on the shoulder by someone in

629
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 4: a Lion's game, Am I am? I instinctively going to

630
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 4: drive through that contact point and try and score a

631
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 4: try or you get you can get overtrained to the

632
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 4: point where I get hit. Oh, I lose my legs,

633
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 4: I go down. And that's oversimplifying it. But am I

634
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 4: When you're playing and you're in form and you know

635
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 4: you've been you've got a body of work behind you

636
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 4: for the season, things coming like that, you're not even

637
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 4: thinking about it.

638
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 5: That's what flow is. That's what all that stuff is.

639
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 4: And I think you know that's what you know Joe

640
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 4: has to and his team have to consider how do

641
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 4: we get, you know, those key players into that state

642
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 4: that they can get in some that might be training.

643
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 4: I know Slips just needs to get through his training

644
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 4: work and he'll be there and he'll plays best rugby

645
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 4: on those Lions games. For someone else, you know, I

646
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 4: don't know who that is in the squad. How much

647
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 4: can we play him in these lead up games?

648
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 7: What about pressure? How do you simulate pressure?

649
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: Because that's you can do detail things, you can do

650
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: phase things, structure things. But pressure is going to be

651
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: a huge factor in the Test series.

652
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 4: It is, and that's why I cite someone like Bernard Foley.

653
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 4: But pressures are Pressures are what I don't even know

654
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 4: how to label the word pressure, It's different to each

655
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 4: one of us here. So again it comes back to

656
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 4: that individual plan for each player. How can they deal

657
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 4: with the pressure that they'll perceive in that test match

658
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 4: as best as possible. The thing that you have to

659
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 4: get right though, is as a team you're also you know,

660
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,479
Speaker 4: kind of a living functioning thing as well. So you know,

661
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 4: the way I deal with pressure might be, you know,

662
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 4: might not work for other people. And so as a

663
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 4: team you can work on that a lot. And that's

664
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 4: why keeping guys in house becomes really important. Can you

665
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 4: train the pressure that you're going to experience on the

666
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 4: field I talk about, you know, the one hundred and eighty seconds.

667
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 4: Can you fatigue the players and then make them come

668
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 4: up with a solution. So that's that's the importance of

669
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 4: keeping them together.

670
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 5: But yeah, pressure is a subjective thing.

671
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 2: The interesting thing is that one hundred percent is guaranteed

672
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 2: to go Tit's up at some point, like you know,

673
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 2: like the first test in Brisbane, you ended up it

674
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 2: is you ended up playing center googleman, you came in

675
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 2: as a as a call up. You know, you mentioned

676
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 2: Crazy there. I don't even think crazy was meant to

677
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 2: play in that game. There was an injury or something years.

678
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 2: So it's about having confidence in your contingency planning as

679
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 2: much as your kind of top level planning.

680
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 4: You know.

681
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 7: Fascinating.

682
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: We'll see a little bit more, won't mean tomorrow when

683
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: Joe Schmick names his first squad of the year, no

684
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: doubt it will feature plenty of stars from super A

685
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: specific twenty twenty five.

686
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 7: Big news this week is one of the biggest.

687
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: Stars from the KIP competition is heading overseas next year, so.

688
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 8: Loo for everyone, just on here to update you guys

689
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 8: on what I'm getting up to over the next two years.

690
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 8: Next year, in two twenty six, I'll be heading over

691
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 8: to the Korby Steelers in Japan for a sabbatical that

692
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 8: I had in my contract and that was signed last

693
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 8: year already, and coming back to Moana Pacifica into twenty seven,

694
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 8: which I'm really looking forward to. I can't wait to

695
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 8: see the Japanese fans and go to the Korby family,

696
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 8: but also as well looking forward to coming back to

697
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 8: the Muana home and family to get stuck into twenty seven.

698
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 8: I really appreciate all the love this year and the support,

699
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 8: and then I guess the movement that Moana is creating.

700
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 8: Keep leaving, keep supporting. It's the people's team at your team, godless.

701
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 7: Pose massive news.

702
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: Artie Savia the reigning Super Ugly Specific Player of the Year,

703
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: the first time I've ever had an actual formal award

704
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: to that, and he claimed it this year won't be

705
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: a part of the competition next year.

706
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 6: Now.

707
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: I'm not by any means having a dig at Artie

708
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: or any player that takes a sabbatical Tim Horne's favorite word,

709
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: but I just want to put too to the group here.

710
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 7: Artie south Here is.

711
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: Going on a sabbatical, Leniktow is going to have a

712
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: sabbatical in the UK. Angus Bell the same as sabbatical

713
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: in Ireland up in the air, whether or not Rob

714
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,239
Speaker 1: Valatini takes up a sabbatical option. On top of that,

715
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: you've got guys like Noah La La Cio, Tom Hooper,

716
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: Lungy Glees and Robbioda all going overseas.

717
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 7: Rico Yuanni's also having a sabbatical.

718
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: I'm a little concerned about how twenty twenty six Super

719
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: Rugby Pacific looks, but what's your take on how next

720
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: year can still be exciting and captivate imagination and captivate attention, goog.

721
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: If that number of stars are going to be missing

722
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: from the comp.

723
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 6: Well, it's not an extraordinary amount of egress for players.

724
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 6: Super Rugby specific does have a high turn over average

725
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 6: contract two and three and a half years. You have

726
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 6: a lot of players going in and out, and the

727
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 6: profile of these players is probably you know's what's accelerating

728
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 6: the headline. It's not a new concept, but I think

729
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 6: it's a good it's an exotic solution to remain connected

730
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 6: with supergi Ppecific players and to know that they're coming

731
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 6: back into that environment and having Super Open Pacific promoting

732
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 6: itself as the most skillful, fast paced, best game professional

733
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 6: game in the world. You know that's debatable, right, But

734
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 6: to have players like artists severe recognizing that he wants

735
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 6: to come back to Super Rogue Recific instead of cutting

736
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 6: the umbilical cord and losing them forever, which historically is

737
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 6: what has happened. I think it's a necessity, commerciality and

738
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 6: reality of the earning capacity of professional athletes. They are

739
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 6: entitled to explore what is for them a very important

740
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 6: opportunity cost of life, and where they position themselves and

741
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 6: how they position their family and all sorts of career aspiration.

742
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 6: The furnace of rugby and earning capacity is a short

743
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 6: window of time, and it makes sense for them to

744
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 6: be able to explore what's now acceptable. Also, though, is

745
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 6: it super very specific? And franchises are recognizing that they

746
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 6: want to remain connected to that player, so they'll offer

747
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 6: them a term to go overseas and experience not only

748
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 6: a different kind of rem structure, it's culture and this

749
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 6: thing called rugby. And if I've got my head down

750
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 6: for ten years consecutively in one environment, what does it

751
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 6: look like overseas? And what is this thing called international rugby?

752
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 6: Instead of just touring on buses and landing and going

753
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 6: to stadium has been training and going home? Actually want

754
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 6: to immerse myself in the culture there you will get

755
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 6: a disciple for life coming back on shore. Recognizing the

756
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 6: worth of that person and giving them an opportunity to

757
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 6: lift their gaze higher than the next training field. Is

758
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 6: my take on it.

759
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: Okay, fair point, And it's been raised to me by

760
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 1: other people as well, that it's better than the alternative,

761
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,879
Speaker 1: as you said, rather than than leaving and never coming back,

762
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: leaving for a year and coming back is a great thing,

763
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: a great result. They will be back in the competition

764
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: at some point.

765
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 6: In a controlled manner and stepped fashion, with the right

766
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,439
Speaker 6: people and a constructive, mature decision. You know, eyes wide open.

767
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 6: This is not you know people, this is not already

768
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 6: hasn't woken up on Tuesday morning and tired everyone having

769
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 6: decided on Monday afternoon there full disclosure, My ownA pacific

770
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,399
Speaker 6: and knew very well what was happening, and that's that's

771
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 6: a great position to be. And there hasn't been a

772
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 6: robust negotiation. No one's had to empty the piggy bank,

773
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 6: no one set themselves broke. They've been able to probably

774
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 6: plan some succession and talent pathway. So there's a probably

775
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 6: two or three players now are going to get an

776
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 6: opportunity to play suvery specific who may be the next

777
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 6: art of Severes because them they thought it's great opportunity.

778
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 7: It is a good opportunity.

779
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 1: But those up and coming players aren't going to sell

780
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 1: tickets and put bums on seats in the same way

781
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: that an artis VI will.

782
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 4: But so were just on that begin as the semi

783
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,919
Speaker 4: final sold out in Hamilton on the weekend there's plenty

784
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 4: of stars there wasn't there and you know, so you know,

785
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 4: is it the players there or is the competition still

786
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 4: just quite needing a little bit extra?

787
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,280
Speaker 5: So I'd probably lean on that.

788
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 4: The thing that we know with sport is Artie could

789
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 4: have started this year.

790
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 5: And done his ankle.

791
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 4: Glad we didn't because we saw some unbelievable footy, but

792
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 4: that's rugby. Like we've got to understand that someone can

793
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 4: go down like that for six months and then you know,

794
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 4: but everyone can accept that. I think this is just

795
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 4: a progression of people accepting what the modern day game is.

796
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 4: The challenge that I'd put around the whole sabbatical thing

797
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 4: is when and where do you do it for players?

798
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 4: So Artie he's earned the right and you know that

799
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 4: guy clearly has been around, is part of the fabric

800
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 4: since twenty thirteen.

801
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 5: Outstanding player.

802
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 4: He's going to go get, you know, nicely paid over

803
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 4: there can freshen up his whole look on rugby. I

804
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 4: think it's a great move because what we've seen. You know,

805
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 4: he went over there a couple of years ago, he's

806
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 4: come back, he's been outstanding.

807
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 5: It's really worked for him.

808
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 4: When we do it for players, and I think I'm

809
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 4: taking the ra lens here is really important. I think

810
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 4: has got to be challenged a lot. So again it

811
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 4: comes back to individual plan for a player. So you know,

812
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 4: can we send a player right at the beginning of

813
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 4: their career a prop and have relationships with clubs overseas

814
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 4: that you could send a player on a sabbatical, You

815
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 4: don't lose him. You create these really nice relationships with

816
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 4: players overseas. They move out of home, they get challenged

817
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 4: as a going to a professional athlete, they hone their

818
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 4: skills and environment that's quite challenging. They're not thrust straight

819
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 4: into the super rugby or you know, coming straight out

820
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 4: of this school. You know, with this expectation, and you

821
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,720
Speaker 4: craft a player who can be around for a lot longer.

822
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 4: So Angus Bell one's an interesting sabbatical for me. The

823
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 4: guy has had significant amount of injury going forward. He's

824
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 4: had some good games, but you know, the guy isn't

825
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 4: at the back end of his career. You know, he

826
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 4: hasn't really cemented a starting spot. And I'm a massive

827
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 4: fan of Belly and what he can do on the field,

828
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 4: but you know, is he better suited to be going

829
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 4: as a younger prop crafting his scrum work and then

830
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 4: coming back you know now and really we get rewarded

831
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 4: with him being you know, the number one for the

832
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 4: war Tars in Australia and just absolutely killing it because

833
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 4: he's worked out what it looks like for him to

834
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 4: be a player and you know how he can be

835
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 4: used to best. So you know, that's that's the only

836
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 4: thing I want to raise with the sabbatical is how

837
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,919
Speaker 4: can you make it work really well for these top

838
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 4: line players.

839
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 3: I think it's unusual. I take your point.

840
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 2: I think it's unusual that this batch is all in

841
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 2: the same year, certainly from an Australian context, because you know,

842
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 2: in this four year cycle there's a Lions tour, then

843
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,399
Speaker 2: there's a spare year and a home World Cup, so

844
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 2: they've all kind of identified twenty six is the year

845
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:45,879
Speaker 2: that it's okay to take off, I think. And if

846
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 2: this plays out, you know, on a similar pattern, I

847
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:49,320
Speaker 2: think you'll see.

848
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't think that.

849
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 2: You know, Ra or whoever who was running it would

850
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 2: jam them all into the same year in future, So

851
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 2: I think that you know, potentially the appointed they are

852
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 2: or marquees stars, no doubt about it, that the comp

853
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 2: would be better with a MI in it, but the

854
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 2: list could be twice as long and permanent. You know,

855
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 2: if they don't come up with solutions. We've we've talked

856
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 2: about this around this table plenty. You know, like there

857
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 2: it's a short term pain for long term game type

858
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 2: of situation. And you know, the idea is that maybe

859
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,919
Speaker 2: maybe Super Rugby starts to sell itself around the world

860
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 2: as a place for people come and can coming down

861
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,359
Speaker 2: and have a year a year in Australia as well.

862
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 2: There's no real reason why that company.

863
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: That's another direction I want to take this conversation is

864
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: why is Australia or New Zealand for that matter, not

865
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: seen more so in that light, both of you have

866
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: played overseas hoops, you more recently obviously taking your own

867
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: sabbatical and going to Japan. Is there is there any

868
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: appetite for that for players overseas. We've seen a few

869
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: in the past come to Super Rugby, James Haskell, Reese Patchel.

870
00:39:58,320 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 7: In recent years.

871
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 1: Jamie Roberts played at the Warriortars in the last couple

872
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 1: of years. But in terms of like experience something new,

873
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: a different way of life, a different type of football.

874
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't Australia and superb specific be more attractive.

875
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 4: I think it is to some. I think we need

876
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 4: to make it more attractive. I'd love to see South

877
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 4: Africa back. I'd love to see that country brought back

878
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:22,879
Speaker 4: into Super Rugby.

879
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 7: Their teams or their players slotted into their teams.

880
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 5: I'd love to see that.

881
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 7: Why do you say that, Well.

882
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 4: I think, well, I hear that it's very difficult for

883
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,760
Speaker 4: South Africa to play in that USC, so it's very

884
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 4: difficult for the players. So you know, they've got to

885
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 4: fly through Doha to.

886
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:37,760
Speaker 5: Get up there.

887
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 4: It's tough going for them physically to play up and

888
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 4: down there. And I don't think that the sentiment around

889
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 4: it isn't like this UC things the best thing ever.

890
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 4: And maybe it's just me being old and now being

891
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 4: one of the players and remembering the past bog of

892
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 4: you know, I was better in my day type of thing.

893
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 5: But Super Rugby will happened very quickly.

894
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 7: One month.

895
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 4: You know, there's a lot of people talking about oh,

896
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 4: you know those sort of days, and you know it

897
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 4: happened back in then as well.

898
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 5: With Jack's Potke are coming to the war atars.

899
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 4: You know, guys like that, so I think, you know,

900
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 4: how can the competition look you know, juicier for players

901
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 4: to come and but it comes down to the financial

902
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 4: gain I think, you know, unless there's a real motivation

903
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 4: here about Warner Dern Up there in Japan is a

904
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 4: lot hoop for Tashiba, who just won. He's been linked

905
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 4: to come down and play for the Hurricanes, so you

906
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 4: know it is happening. So him and who was the

907
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 4: captain of the Blossoms up there played down in the

908
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 4: COVID year Down in Dunedin.

909
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,399
Speaker 3: They're more run by clubs up there, aren't they.

910
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 2: So it's kind of where you know, these guys that

911
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 2: are going from our part of the world, we have

912
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 2: national unions that kind of run things and are trying

913
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 2: to plan their futures to keep them to be able

914
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 2: to play for the national team up there. You're talking

915
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 2: about you know, you're to lose the boss to Luci's

916
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 2: not going to want to let someone disappear down South

917
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 2: for a year. But you know, maybe it's a player

918
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:07,800
Speaker 2: driven thing, really, isn't it, Like what they want to

919
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 2: do with their life and whether they like our players

920
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 2: want to see the world that's Australia and New Zealand

921
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 2: young men and young women have always wanted to go

922
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 2: and live in Europe for a little bit. Whether it's

923
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 2: the same on the other way, on the other way around.

924
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:22,879
Speaker 1: For those footballers, it seems like a similar it does

925
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,919
Speaker 1: right of passage. Yeah, people from the home nations for instance, Yeah,

926
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: from the UK and Ireland that they people who aren't

927
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 1: athletes traveled to get that experience.

928
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 7: I guess the question but it does not want to

929
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 7: travel and get that experience.

930
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 3: Maybe a question of money as well. You can generally earn.

931
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 2: More playing club rog be up here than you came

932
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 2: down here, because obviously ra aren't going to tip in

933
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 2: for a for an Englishman or a Frenchman to be

934
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 2: playing for the Warrtors.

935
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 7: Is that the big factor?

936
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 6: It's money, it is It is a serious island of

937
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 6: consideration when you're talking about the experience of rugby and

938
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 6: then you're talking about the compensation for the opportunity, cost

939
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 6: of what you're giving up and what you what's your

940
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 6: reward for it? We know that started the Hemisphere rugby

941
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 6: New Zealand Australia particularly cannot get caught in a checkbook

942
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 6: shit out with Northern Hemisphere clubs just not going to happen.

943
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 6: So then you need to find mature, sensible solutions to

944
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 6: maintain connection to your talent that you've developed. So it

945
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 6: ties into and quite often look Overseas has got restrictions

946
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,240
Speaker 6: on quotas for very strong reasons as well. Foreign players

947
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 6: coming in hurt your talent pathway system. So when you're

948
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 6: spending a lot of money on school systems and competitions

949
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 6: and club competitions to feed up, you don't want people

950
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 6: parachuting in and harming that, So that needs to be considered.

951
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 6: And so what you have is targeted very well resourced

952
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 6: foreign clubs targeting marquee players that have reputational commerciality that

953
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,439
Speaker 6: they drop in and then they push the card out

954
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 6: in terms of the offer and the number. So domestic

955
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 6: based unions down here Australia particularly cannot balance that, so

956
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 6: they need to find a way to to top that up. Absolutely.

957
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 6: Financial remstructure is a big consideration for when you're talking

958
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 6: about how long I've got in the game and what

959
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,359
Speaker 6: am I going to get out of it, and this

960
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 6: is a good way to maintain. It also ties into

961
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 6: eligibility criteria for Australian players. Right when you're developing relationships

962
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 6: with overseas clubs to develop them then being able to

963
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 6: come you know, someone else's balance sheet liability for a

964
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 6: period of time and then get the most out of

965
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 6: that resource. In an Australian Jersey also needs to be

966
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 6: examined quite closely because you know, for the period of

967
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 6: time that we're still rebuilding from COVID, austrain and Rugby

968
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 6: got knocked around more than most around COVID period and

969
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:42,320
Speaker 6: this is another way for us to balance talent retention

970
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 6: against resource capacity.

971
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 1: Yes, well, going and coming back certainly better than going

972
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,760
Speaker 1: and never returning. I would love to see Super Rugby

973
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: get to a point probably financially where it's an attractive

974
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 1: sabbatical option for players. But I want to move on

975
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: so we can get to a little bit of mail

976
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: bag Bless you Hoops if you can mail bag time, Peto,

977
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,320
Speaker 1: I want to start with you A question from Jamie

978
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: on Twitter at Jamie's Sports Twit is the os end

979
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: Z fixture at risk of being a bit of a dud.

980
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: If Rugby Australia can't secure any big name players, it

981
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 1: is it close to selling out anyway, so they're trying

982
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: to bank a few dollars by not having to pay

983
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: the likes of just tossing up some names. Here is Jamie,

984
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: Joey Marnu, Retallic Gania Cooper to play or to ensure them.

985
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 7: Is there a risk at the moment? Do you think

986
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 7: we know Richie Mohoger is now is out?

987
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, Richie Mwanger's out look. I've made my position clear

988
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 2: on this. I think that it should have been a

989
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 2: festival game, you know, that should have been a bar

990
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 2: Ba's flavor, and they have decided to go away from

991
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 2: that news it is kind of a semi Australia a fixture.

992
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think now, I think that.

993
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 2: There will be a lack of kind of international star

994
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 2: power to that game, be it Australians or New Zealanders.

995
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 3: It's not sold you know.

996
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,240
Speaker 2: In fact, it's kind of a misnomer that the lines

997
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 2: to is sold out. There are still lots of tickets available.

998
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 2: Some games are closer to some games are closed, but yeah,

999
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 2: there are UK tool groups.

1000
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 3: Handing back batches of tickets.

1001
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 2: Like the Australian allocation is exhausted, but you can jump

1002
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 2: on and I've been experimenting.

1003
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 3: You can buy ten tickets.

1004
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 2: To the the a U n Z match. You can

1005
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,280
Speaker 2: buy ten tickets to the Third Test, well.

1006
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 3: Plenty of.

1007
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 6: Getting to workout how much for the hill.

1008
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, well you can see.

1009
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 2: The point being is that you can still get tickets

1010
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 2: to most of these matches, so it doesn't The argument

1011
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 2: that it doesn't matter who you send out, they're all

1012
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 2: sold out anyway doesn't wash, you know, Like I think

1013
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 2: it's just a lost opportunity. I thought that could have

1014
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 2: been a really good, fun kind of you know, a

1015
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 2: game where we finally get this kind of concept of

1016
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 2: playing Australia New Zealand together, but you know, we'll get

1017
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 2: a couple of names.

1018
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 3: I think that, you know, the insurance.

1019
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 2: Costs were probably a factor that weren't fully grappled with

1020
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 2: to start with, and then they decided, probably rightly in

1021
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 2: the end, that they were going to look at what

1022
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 2: the three nil victory looked like and work backwards, and

1023
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,800
Speaker 2: in the high performance aspect, they wanted as many people

1024
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 2: getting minutes in that game, Australian kind of fringe Wallaby players.

1025
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 2: But you know, kind of the fan in me would

1026
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,919
Speaker 2: have loved to see, you know, let's say, ten big

1027
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 2: names running around, you know, in a kind of a

1028
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:31,800
Speaker 2: really exciting festival kind of game.

1029
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 1: Well, last week on Rugby Heaven, Les Kiss, who will

1030
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: be head coach of the os ends Ed side, said

1031
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: he expects somewhere between six six to ten New Zealand

1032
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 1: players to be in that squad for the os end

1033
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 1: z Ed There is an element of they couldn't name

1034
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: a team really before the first Wallaby squad was picked.

1035
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 1: Now that that's going to happen tomorrow, I think in

1036
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 1: the coming days there'll be plenty of work put together

1037
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: about naming the os end z Ed squad. But you

1038
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 1: have been very vocal like the Lions coming is enough

1039
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: of a selling point if Adelaide isn't though it's selling strong.

1040
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 1: If Adelaide isn't sold out at this point, do they

1041
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 1: need to get a hurry up with naming whoever's going

1042
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: to face the lines to help push the sales.

1043
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,959
Speaker 6: Yeah, most probably. I mean marketing experts will be far

1044
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 6: better positioned than me about how to excite a market

1045
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 6: and get generate interest. Bridge nice lines we know has

1046
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 6: an element of laid amazara in terms of what you're

1047
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,919
Speaker 6: going to have and touring groups And to your point, yeah,

1048
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 6: absolutely tickets are getting handed back, not through necessarily lack

1049
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 6: of interest. I think people are analyzing costs them all

1050
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 6: sorts of different things, and strain market is working out

1051
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 6: how to prioritize what markets it wants to go to.

1052
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 6: The AU and Z concept is intoxicating. It ran up

1053
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 6: against the headwinds immediately when the All Blacks said, by

1054
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 6: the way, the All Blacks are playing in a test campaign,

1055
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 6: New Zealand areas are playing in a test campaign, so

1056
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 6: they immediately knew that domestic based super rugby specific rock

1057
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 6: stars let's call them New Zealand, weren't going to be available.

1058
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 6: Is the pivot point. I think that they either go

1059
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 6: all in for a marquee festival game names the best,

1060
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 6: biggest best names from from anywhere and everywhere, or a

1061
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 6: high performance development lens. It seems to me that it's

1062
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 6: a bit of both or trying to be a bit

1063
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 6: of both at the moment, and that's confusing the market.

1064
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 6: So it's creating uncertainty as well. For why would I

1065
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 6: bother going, Okay, if I'm going to go watch the

1066
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 6: next twenty seven World Cup winning Wallaby, possibly tell me

1067
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 6: that so that I know, or is it going to

1068
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 6: be a market game? Then give me a name to

1069
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 6: attach to. You know, we're hearing about players not playing.

1070
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 6: We haven't heard about anyone who is. That's probably closest

1071
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 6: I'll come to.

1072
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 7: You know, the way it's tracking, we might still be

1073
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 7: able to talk hoops in.

1074
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:48,399
Speaker 5: It's the only game I'm not working at.

1075
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 3: So I'm hang on, didn't you say so the other day?

1076
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 3: That I know is never know if the if the

1077
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:57,720
Speaker 3: dollar something.

1078
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 6: There's clearly something missing from the part. So let's work.

1079
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 7: So you're telling us Lloyd Christmas there's a chance.

1080
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 5: No, I'm telling you that I'll be on that hill

1081
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 5: with a.

1082
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 7: K And I think eventually Cooper making his test to

1083
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:14,280
Speaker 7: mate really straight out of the stands beer and a point.

1084
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, and then plays and then plays one hundred

1085
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 4: and twenty odd tests.

1086
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 5: So it was never he was never just out of

1087
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 5: the stand. It doesn't work.

1088
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 3: It wasn't thirty three interesting.

1089
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:24,760
Speaker 2: To square the circle to get let's say, James O'Connor,

1090
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 2: Bernard Foley, Maybe don't make these squad one or both.

1091
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 2: It would be great to have them in the country,

1092
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 2: right like, And what better way than to say, boys

1093
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 2: sign up for the au n Z game.

1094
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 7: Nick Insideline's own Nick Pipps. He'd love to play.

1095
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 3: All he's still busted, is he?

1096
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 7: But there you go, you've got them let him run it.

1097
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 7: You've got You've got two guys who.

1098
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 2: People know and would love to see play and it

1099
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 2: puts them on and in a performance perspective, puts him

1100
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 2: on a track to be. You know, if there are

1101
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 2: injury issues within the main Wallaby squad there, they're training

1102
00:50:58,239 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 2: their fit, they're.

1103
00:50:58,800 --> 00:50:59,839
Speaker 5: In a tough position to come.

1104
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 4: I wouldn't talk too long on it, but number ten

1105
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 4: you want to be behind a good forward pack. Is

1106
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 4: a team that comes together.

1107
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:07,879
Speaker 5: For a week.

1108
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 4: Are you going to be able to roll that out?

1109
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 4: Considering the play that's going to be largely a set

1110
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 4: piece battle. We know that the set piece is going

1111
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 4: to be rock solid from the lines. So you know

1112
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 4: Number ten's you know that when they're going forward, you're

1113
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 4: able to step up. It's going to be a tough

1114
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 4: way to sell yourself as a ten, you know in

1115
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 4: a game like that, So you know, you wouldn't want

1116
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 4: to say, hey, you get the keys if you play

1117
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 4: well in this game, because it's going to be a

1118
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 4: tough one.

1119
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 1: I think if Burn and Folly was in it, the

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00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: chances of convincing Michael Hooper go up a little.

1121
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 7: Bit here, Hoops, I'm going to come with you and

1122
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 7: this one we're going to wrap up very shortly.

1123
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 1: But this is I think this is just a fascinating

1124
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: question from Brett Young on Twitter. Made a comment last

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00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: week we discussed Michael Checker, the future of Michael Checker, etc.

1126
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 1: And Brett asked this question last week and repeat it

1127
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: this week. My comment after last week's show about Checker

1128
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 1: for the Wallaroos coaching position, which we know is vacant

1129
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 1: after this year's World Cup, keep his knowledge and experience

1130
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,879
Speaker 1: in Oz with challenge of taking them to a home

1131
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 1: World Cup in twenty twenty nine and building up a

1132
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: Type five integrating the seven's backs where relevant. The question,

1133
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: Hoops is someone who played a lot under Checker. He's

1134
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: done with Lester now and there's question mark where he goes.

1135
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 1: Is that a challenge that you think could excite Checker?

1136
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: Is an environment that he'd back himself to go in

1137
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: and have a crack at?

1138
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 6: No.

1139
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,399
Speaker 4: I think any environment check walks into, I think he's

1140
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 4: going to give it a good shape. Is that an

1141
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 4: environment that he wants to go into? I'm not sure,

1142
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:34,839
Speaker 4: like that's up to him, and who would have ever

1143
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 4: thought that he would have gone to Lester, you know,

1144
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:38,839
Speaker 4: and who would have thought that? And the guy goes

1145
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 4: and just drops a final over there and just on

1146
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,399
Speaker 4: Check like he And again I've talked about Bernard, great

1147
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,439
Speaker 4: friend of mine, talked about Check, great friend of mine.

1148
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 4: I'm trying to park that aside, but I'm just mate

1149
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 4: super impressed by what he's been able to do in

1150
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 4: the last couple of years, and real credit to Michael

1151
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 4: to go and do that. I wish wish he got

1152
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 4: the win over there, but not to be But yeah,

1153
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 4: I mean probably something that RA need to do is

1154
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:10,800
Speaker 4: need to capture IP from Check, from Rands and feed

1155
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 4: it back in. That's what's going to create long you know,

1156
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 4: that legacy, long term view on on everything, and you

1157
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:18,359
Speaker 4: know those guys have wonderful amounts of IP.

1158
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 2: Interesting candidate for that job. If Check doesn't do it,

1159
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,399
Speaker 2: Andy Friend coach the Brumbies for the job. Yeah, coach,

1160
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,359
Speaker 2: I think there's that he has been helping out. It's

1161
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 2: been environment camber coaching, so could certainly think of worse

1162
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 2: coaches than Friendly.

1163
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 3: Jeez.

1164
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,839
Speaker 1: It would be a huge moment if Check had took

1165
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: that job, that would be a hell of a story.

1166
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,959
Speaker 1: But yeah, anyway, it would seem very left field from

1167
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:45,959
Speaker 1: from my point of view.

1168
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 7: I'm going to wrap on this.

1169
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 1: I've had a lot of questions about this last year

1170
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: on Insideline when this was just a humble little podcast

1171
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 1: and now it's this big TV show. We spoke to

1172
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 1: Rugby Astralie him and Daniel Herbert about a range of

1173
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:03,720
Speaker 1: things and tossed up the idea of player cards to

1174
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 1: increase the profile of the stars in our game, the Wallabies, Wallaroos, etc.

1175
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: And maybe get Cadbury on board and they start producing

1176
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 1: player cards. Herbie was very much in favor of it

1177
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 1: at one point. Cadbury like the idea. The update is

1178
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 1: they're in the works. Player cards are a coming, hopefully

1179
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 1: in time for the Rugby Championship and good news for

1180
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: you hoops and you goog is the series will not

1181
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 1: only feature Wallabies, current Wallabies, current Wallaroos and seven stars,

1182
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:38,720
Speaker 1: but also classics. There will be classics featured in these

1183
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 1: Rugby Australia player cards. I don't think Cadbury will have

1184
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 1: anything to do with it, but for fans, I reckon

1185
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 1: that's pretty exciting.

1186
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,320
Speaker 4: You get to choose your photo as a player, because

1187
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 4: I mean, rugby doesn't put you in the best line.

1188
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 4: You pull some faces on the like obviously it's not

1189
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 4: much to work with, but you pull some faces on

1190
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 4: that rugby field, I'll tell you.

1191
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 5: So you really want.

1192
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 7: To be across early doors before?

1193
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, so, I don't know. I've had some new play cards.

1194
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, weepis did them what twenty twenty five years ago?

1195
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 6: I've got my son actually found a few.

1196
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 7: My son in the box that I've been keeping.

1197
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1198
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, thirty thirty cents on eBay if.

1199
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Speaker 7: You can choose your picture. Producer Traps just thrown up

1200
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:23,320
Speaker 7: a great idea here from you.

1201
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 1: Would it just be the would it just be the

1202
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: left mint or the right mint stealing the ball off

1203
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 1: Martin Johnson?

1204
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, you just left me no face, just be like

1205
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 5: just a photo.

1206
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 3: Did you get points on these cards, by the way.

1207
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:44,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely have some sort of I've been I've been

1208
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 1: pushing for a broadcast line like the broadcasters and journalists.

1209
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 7: That's further way to kill them.

1210
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:51,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1211
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 6: It should be digital cards and people can access them

1212
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:57,240
Speaker 6: and then they access a little bit of an interview

1213
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 6: or something or a personalized mess n FT twenty grand

1214
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 6: style and they get to see morning routine or something

1215
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 6: or a bit of a story or something behind. I

1216
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 6: think that's definitely the way that we can create familiarity.

1217
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 6: The whole world is in the palm of people's hands now,

1218
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 6: particularly the next aspiration or rugby playing boys and girls

1219
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:22,720
Speaker 6: and fans. We've got to get there more so, a card, printable,

1220
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 6: washable card that's destroyable and losable, something that you can

1221
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 6: put in your phone and look up someone if you

1222
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 6: see them, or you can scan the code and get

1223
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 6: the story.

1224
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:33,800
Speaker 1: Physical card with a QR code on it, then you

1225
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:34,720
Speaker 1: can access digital.

1226
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 7: I think it would be a master astrolia. We're getting

1227
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:37,839
Speaker 7: very off topic.

1228
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 3: Him.

1229
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 1: My kids who are young, they don't actually watch or

1230
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 1: play Pokemon, but they bloody love Pokemon cards, and Pokemon

1231
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: cards were around when I was eight years old or

1232
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 1: something like that. So and I see them get equally

1233
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 1: excited about code cards for other codes.

1234
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 7: So if you started filling in and filtering out rugby.

1235
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,360
Speaker 3: Players indoctrination, call that.

1236
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 1: Yes, all right, it's been a great episode, gentlemen, some

1237
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:05,319
Speaker 1: great stuff, don't pack.

1238
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, well I didn't pass, So there you go. Tomorrow

1239
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:10,320
Speaker 7: Rugby Heaven.

1240
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 1: First Wallaby Squad of the Year will get named and

1241
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 1: will unpack that and hopefully chat to a few of

1242
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 1: the stars.

1243
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 7: Thanks gents.