1 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:10,820 S1: Hey there. I'm Osman Farooqui and this is The Drop, 2 00:00:10,820 --> 00:00:14,180 S1: a culture show from the Sydney Morning Herald and The Age. 3 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:18,500 S1: I'm here with Thomas Mitchell and Mel Cambrai. Folks, how 4 00:00:18,500 --> 00:00:19,610 S1: are you going? 5 00:00:19,700 --> 00:00:22,310 S2: I'm well. I missed being here last week. I have 6 00:00:22,310 --> 00:00:24,380 S2: to say, I was a little disappointed when I listen 7 00:00:24,380 --> 00:00:26,720 S2: to the podcast. We've been doing this for a while 8 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:28,160 S2: and I thought I might get more of a, Oh, 9 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:30,590 S2: we miss Mel or a more of a note, but 10 00:00:30,890 --> 00:00:33,470 S2: all you said was, it's quite convenient. Mel's not here, 11 00:00:33,470 --> 00:00:36,740 S2: so ah, I have to say that I was a 12 00:00:36,740 --> 00:00:37,850 S2: bit upset about that. 13 00:00:37,850 --> 00:00:40,590 S1: You can't get too insular on these things. You know, 14 00:00:40,610 --> 00:00:42,919 S1: you've got to think about the wonderful listener. They don't 15 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,800 S1: want to hear us just opining for our guest to 16 00:00:45,979 --> 00:00:47,540 S1: who isn't here. We we knew you were going to 17 00:00:47,540 --> 00:00:49,280 S1: come back. We knew you'd be back. So we thought, 18 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:52,400 S1: let's just get straight to it and get Rob's terrible takes. 19 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:53,360 S1: On Kylie Minogue. 20 00:00:53,450 --> 00:00:55,580 S2: It feels a bit Tedros Tedros schooling me in the 21 00:00:55,580 --> 00:00:56,570 S2: industry here. 22 00:00:57,140 --> 00:00:59,180 S3: I think if anything you should just be like thankful 23 00:00:59,180 --> 00:01:02,270 S3: that Osman got your name right. So that's true. Look 24 00:01:02,270 --> 00:01:03,200 S3: for the silver lining. 25 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:05,509 S1: It took like six months, but I don't think I've 26 00:01:05,510 --> 00:01:08,000 S1: called you Meg. I think in a while. 27 00:01:08,330 --> 00:01:09,980 S2: I know, but I still respond to it because there's 28 00:01:09,980 --> 00:01:11,839 S2: another Meg in the office and someone will say something 29 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:13,340 S2: about her and I'm like, Oh, do you mean me? 30 00:01:13,340 --> 00:01:14,420 S2: You've conditioned me. 31 00:01:14,900 --> 00:01:17,780 S1: Yeah. The second Tedros Tedros camp. So far we haven't 32 00:01:17,780 --> 00:01:20,479 S1: even gotten to the Idol episode three yet, which we 33 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:24,050 S1: will be talking about later in this episode. But the 34 00:01:24,050 --> 00:01:26,360 S1: bulk of this conversation, I'm very excited to say, will 35 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:30,410 S1: be about the second season of And just Like that, 36 00:01:30,410 --> 00:01:35,810 S1: The Sex and the City sequel slash reboot slash revitalization. 37 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:57,350 S1: So last year, HBO brought back the cast of Sex 38 00:01:57,350 --> 00:01:59,660 S1: and the City for this brand new show. And just 39 00:01:59,660 --> 00:02:03,740 S1: like that. And it followed the same characters Carrie, Charlotte, Miranda, 40 00:02:03,740 --> 00:02:08,810 S1: but famously not Samantha, played by Kim Cattrall. We sort 41 00:02:08,810 --> 00:02:11,810 S1: of followed them as they navigated New York City in 42 00:02:11,810 --> 00:02:16,790 S1: the year of our Lord 2022. It was an interesting show. 43 00:02:16,790 --> 00:02:19,580 S1: It received a pretty mixed reception from critics, but it 44 00:02:19,580 --> 00:02:22,190 S1: got like quite good viewership, according to HBO. And I 45 00:02:22,190 --> 00:02:26,300 S1: think particularly after that first episode where spoilers, if you 46 00:02:26,300 --> 00:02:28,670 S1: haven't seen the first season, I mean, you still would 47 00:02:28,669 --> 00:02:31,100 S1: have seen this news because it was everywhere. They killed 48 00:02:31,100 --> 00:02:34,490 S1: off Big played by Chris Noth. He was running on 49 00:02:34,490 --> 00:02:36,980 S1: his peloton cycling on his peloton. Is that what he 50 00:02:36,980 --> 00:02:39,530 S1: was doing? I'm pretty sure you cycle on a ton. 51 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:40,910 S2: Otherwise you're doing it wrong. 52 00:02:40,940 --> 00:02:44,540 S1: In the new season of and just like that lands 53 00:02:44,540 --> 00:02:48,470 S1: on binge on on Thursday and it's a double episode premiere. 54 00:02:48,500 --> 00:02:51,380 S1: The episodes will then drop weekly. The three of us 55 00:02:51,380 --> 00:02:55,270 S1: have already seen the first two episodes of this season. 56 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:59,060 S1: Our conversation will have some mild spoilers about everything so 57 00:02:59,060 --> 00:03:02,840 S1: far in and just like that. But before we unpack 58 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:05,810 S1: the new season and how we feel about it, I 59 00:03:05,810 --> 00:03:08,329 S1: want to ask you guys a more general question about 60 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:12,680 S1: the idea of rebooting Sex in the City and the 61 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:16,040 S1: first season of and just like that, were you excited 62 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:19,040 S1: to re-enter the lives of these characters? Do you think 63 00:03:19,130 --> 00:03:20,210 S1: it worked? 64 00:03:20,570 --> 00:03:24,470 S3: I think I was excited to see how messy it 65 00:03:24,470 --> 00:03:28,489 S3: could be, which I think was. So I guess full disclaimer, 66 00:03:28,490 --> 00:03:30,530 S3: I'm a massive Sex in the City fan, and I 67 00:03:30,530 --> 00:03:34,070 S3: think like anyone who loved the show, you watch the 68 00:03:34,070 --> 00:03:37,090 S3: movies and you were like, especially Sex and the City too, 69 00:03:37,100 --> 00:03:39,620 S3: like Disaster and Dubai or whatever it was called you 70 00:03:39,860 --> 00:03:42,800 S3: Abu Dhabi. You watch this. Yeah, you watch those movies 71 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:44,780 S3: and you're like, okay, this kind of doesn't belong in 72 00:03:44,780 --> 00:03:46,760 S3: the Sex and the City canon. But everyone has such 73 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:48,320 S3: a soft spot for the characters. It was such an 74 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:52,460 S3: important part of the kind of TV landscape that when 75 00:03:52,460 --> 00:03:54,830 S3: and just like that was announced, it wasn't like a 76 00:03:54,830 --> 00:03:57,500 S3: full shutdown for me, like other reboots, like, you know, 77 00:03:57,710 --> 00:03:59,420 S3: when they brought back Will and Grace or they're bringing 78 00:03:59,420 --> 00:04:02,090 S3: back Frasier. I kind of not into that, but I 79 00:04:02,090 --> 00:04:06,050 S3: was I was interested enough and I was optimistic for it. 80 00:04:06,050 --> 00:04:08,930 S3: But also probably assuming that it was going to be 81 00:04:08,930 --> 00:04:11,630 S3: a mess. And that also had me interested. 82 00:04:11,870 --> 00:04:14,240 S2: Yeah, I think Big dying on the peloton was a 83 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:17,180 S2: masterstroke and it also was quite well timed with the 84 00:04:17,180 --> 00:04:19,880 S2: allegations that later came out with Chris Noth. So that 85 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:23,030 S2: was a real win for the show. But yeah, I 86 00:04:23,029 --> 00:04:25,250 S2: feel like the first season was trying to do too much, 87 00:04:25,250 --> 00:04:27,560 S2: too fast and it was obviously trying to make up 88 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:29,630 S2: for the sins of the past. So it brought in 89 00:04:29,630 --> 00:04:32,960 S2: all these racially and sexually diverse characters and it was 90 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:37,039 S2: a necessary correction, but it felt so shoehorned in and 91 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,979 S2: it made the show seem like it was trying too hard. 92 00:04:39,980 --> 00:04:42,409 S2: I didn't necessarily think all the characters in the first 93 00:04:42,410 --> 00:04:46,489 S2: season were consistent with the earlier the first version of 94 00:04:46,490 --> 00:04:48,380 S2: Sex in the City, either. Like a lot of them, 95 00:04:48,380 --> 00:04:52,400 S2: seemed completely different people. And I struggle to find the gap, 96 00:04:52,490 --> 00:04:55,130 S2: you know? How did Miranda become so out of touch? 97 00:04:55,130 --> 00:04:58,460 S2: And same with Carrie. So I struggled with that. So 98 00:04:58,460 --> 00:05:01,550 S2: I didn't love the first season, but did watch it all. 99 00:05:02,150 --> 00:05:05,870 S1: It did feel a bit like girls season two. Was 100 00:05:05,870 --> 00:05:08,750 S1: it when like Donald Glover comes in as as like 101 00:05:08,750 --> 00:05:12,409 S1: the token black boyfriend? I feel like the challenge with 102 00:05:12,410 --> 00:05:15,320 S1: making a show like Sex and the City feel culturally 103 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:20,330 S1: relevant in 2022, 2023, is that like it just isn't 104 00:05:20,330 --> 00:05:22,640 S1: by the nature of its characters. Like we don't really 105 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:27,140 S1: care what for extremely privileged, kind of really wealthy white 106 00:05:27,140 --> 00:05:29,990 S1: women living on the Upper East Side really have to 107 00:05:29,990 --> 00:05:33,349 S1: say about the world right now. And then their friends, 108 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:37,219 S1: their black, they're brown. Some of them are living with disabilities. 109 00:05:37,220 --> 00:05:41,240 S1: They're still just part of a very narrow, insular class 110 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,299 S1: of New Yorkers. And it's almost like if we want 111 00:05:44,300 --> 00:05:47,630 S1: a diverse and interesting show, we'll just watch that show 112 00:05:47,630 --> 00:05:50,120 S1: rather than watching these people try to adapt with it. 113 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,070 S1: But that said, I mean, I think I've said before 114 00:05:52,070 --> 00:05:54,679 S1: on this podcast, I didn't love the first season of 115 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:56,690 S1: and just like that, but I did enjoy it. And 116 00:05:56,690 --> 00:06:00,310 S1: maybe it was almost just the. Just like watching these 117 00:06:00,310 --> 00:06:02,890 S1: characters again. It almost felt like, what wacky thing will 118 00:06:02,890 --> 00:06:05,830 S1: they say? Or what will feel weird about it this 119 00:06:05,830 --> 00:06:07,599 S1: time around? I think, Thomas, you made the point on 120 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:11,050 S1: an earlier podcast episode, all the girls were confused about 121 00:06:11,050 --> 00:06:14,830 S1: what podcasting was like. That was hilarious. That makes no sense. 122 00:06:14,890 --> 00:06:18,130 S3: Yeah, I mean, that's the thing. I think for me, 123 00:06:18,130 --> 00:06:22,000 S3: I actually kind of enjoyed the first season because. It 124 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,460 S3: was so bad, like it was heavy handed and it 125 00:06:24,460 --> 00:06:26,380 S3: was lame and it was tokenistic and it was very 126 00:06:26,380 --> 00:06:27,910 S3: out of touch. And so it was almost like a 127 00:06:27,910 --> 00:06:30,700 S3: good hate watch. But then just it did pick up 128 00:06:30,700 --> 00:06:33,520 S3: with the death of big and it started to maybe 129 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:35,440 S3: find a little bit of the Sex and the City soul. 130 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:37,330 S3: And that kind of brought me back around. And I 131 00:06:37,330 --> 00:06:39,270 S3: think a lot of people felt that way. Like who 132 00:06:39,310 --> 00:06:42,640 S3: did love the original show? Like we had low expectations. 133 00:06:42,850 --> 00:06:45,849 S3: It met the low expectations and maybe towards the end 134 00:06:45,850 --> 00:06:48,370 S3: it started to find like its own rhythm. And and 135 00:06:48,370 --> 00:06:50,230 S3: that was, I think, something everyone who loves the show 136 00:06:50,230 --> 00:06:52,299 S3: had to accept pretty quickly. Like this is essentially not 137 00:06:52,300 --> 00:06:54,370 S3: Sex in the City anymore. This was a new show 138 00:06:54,370 --> 00:06:58,150 S3: and a new like a new tone of writing and 139 00:06:58,150 --> 00:07:01,120 S3: stuff like that. It wasn't an HBO show like in 140 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:02,050 S3: that same sense. 141 00:07:02,050 --> 00:07:03,640 S2: Yeah. And I think we also had to accept that 142 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:06,039 S2: the friendship dynamic that I felt was so strong in 143 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:09,250 S2: the Sex and the City was not really translated to 144 00:07:09,250 --> 00:07:11,320 S2: and just like that. And part of that was because 145 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:15,100 S2: Samantha was missing from it. And so that friendship dynamic, 146 00:07:15,100 --> 00:07:17,590 S2: which I think made the first Sex and the City 147 00:07:17,590 --> 00:07:20,470 S2: so great, was just absent from this. I thought. 148 00:07:20,740 --> 00:07:24,520 S1: Yeah, so let's talk about season two. It kicks off 149 00:07:24,730 --> 00:07:28,090 S1: basically where we left things at the end of season one. 150 00:07:28,090 --> 00:07:32,200 S1: Carrie is still in a casual relationship with her podcast 151 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:36,730 S1: producer Franklin. Miranda's gone to LA to be with Jay, 152 00:07:36,730 --> 00:07:40,780 S1: who was Carrie's original podcast, Buddy Chase, filming a TV 153 00:07:40,780 --> 00:07:44,260 S1: show about their life. Charlotte I can't really tell you 154 00:07:44,260 --> 00:07:46,710 S1: what Charlotte's doing. She seems to just be like, you know, 155 00:07:46,780 --> 00:07:49,720 S1: still married to Harry, still kind of all over the 156 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:54,820 S1: place with her kids who are what they're singers now. Like, inexplicably, 157 00:07:54,820 --> 00:07:56,410 S1: like really, really good singers. 158 00:07:56,410 --> 00:08:00,010 S3: Watching you try This is so good watching you try 159 00:08:00,010 --> 00:08:02,980 S3: and explain. Whatever Charlotte is doing in this series is 160 00:08:02,980 --> 00:08:04,270 S3: like a perfect up. 161 00:08:04,270 --> 00:08:05,170 S2: Shopping, I think. 162 00:08:05,170 --> 00:08:08,410 S1: Yeah. And then we've got these other new characters, Carrie's 163 00:08:08,410 --> 00:08:12,790 S1: friend Sima, who's in a weird beef with her hairdresser. 164 00:08:12,790 --> 00:08:17,230 S1: The Wesley's the kind of new black family I don't 165 00:08:17,230 --> 00:08:20,980 S1: really remember understand much about what any of these characters 166 00:08:20,980 --> 00:08:24,550 S1: motivations or how in fact they know are like original 167 00:08:24,550 --> 00:08:28,390 S1: gang of gals. But look, we'll talk in detail about 168 00:08:28,390 --> 00:08:31,540 S1: this season, but I got to say, as weird and 169 00:08:31,540 --> 00:08:35,829 S1: like as incomprehensible as some of the plot and machinations are, 170 00:08:35,860 --> 00:08:40,750 S1: I did enjoy watching it. I felt very comforted. It 171 00:08:40,750 --> 00:08:43,390 S1: may have been the fact that I was sick for 172 00:08:43,390 --> 00:08:45,910 S1: most of this week, but curling up on the couch 173 00:08:45,910 --> 00:08:48,700 S1: with a blanket just watching these episodes kind of wash 174 00:08:48,700 --> 00:08:51,280 S1: over me. It felt fun to be with the girls again. 175 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,580 S1: It felt fun to be in this extremely low stakes 176 00:08:54,580 --> 00:08:58,449 S1: world where just completely ludicrous things happen. Nothing matters in 177 00:08:58,450 --> 00:09:00,700 S1: their lives are kind of always going to be perfect, 178 00:09:00,700 --> 00:09:03,280 S1: even if things don't work out. It felt a bit 179 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:07,300 S1: like an antidote to the heaviness of shows like Succession 180 00:09:07,300 --> 00:09:10,390 S1: that have been dominating our kind of discourse for the 181 00:09:10,390 --> 00:09:13,300 S1: last few months. But how did you guys feel about 182 00:09:13,300 --> 00:09:14,800 S1: these first couple of episodes? 183 00:09:15,190 --> 00:09:17,620 S2: I'd be interested for you to rewatch it when you're 184 00:09:17,620 --> 00:09:19,900 S2: at like full functioning capacity. 185 00:09:20,110 --> 00:09:22,450 S3: Yeah, we did have a conversation yesterday after you text 186 00:09:22,450 --> 00:09:23,949 S3: us and you're like, I'm kind of into this. We're like, Man, 187 00:09:23,950 --> 00:09:28,510 S3: I think I was born is like sicker than we thought. He's, like, hallucinating. 188 00:09:28,510 --> 00:09:31,240 S2: You were like Golden Globes for this series. It's the best. 189 00:09:31,450 --> 00:09:34,600 S1: Like, I never said that. So didn't didn't didn't work 190 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:35,650 S1: for you guys this? 191 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:40,900 S3: No. So at first I was kind of into it. 192 00:09:40,900 --> 00:09:42,580 S3: I was like, Oh, this is the first thing I 193 00:09:42,580 --> 00:09:43,050 S3: thought was. 194 00:09:43,330 --> 00:09:44,819 S2: He was the sex monster. 195 00:09:44,830 --> 00:09:46,780 S3: I was impressed. I was like, They're really going for it. 196 00:09:46,780 --> 00:09:48,950 S3: Like they really swinging for it. Because the first five 197 00:09:48,950 --> 00:09:51,670 S3: minutes of episode one, everyone's going down on everyone else. 198 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:54,640 S3: Like in every dynamic. It's amazing. 199 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:55,900 S2: That's all I need from my show. 200 00:09:55,990 --> 00:09:57,970 S3: Yeah, I was like, between this and the idol, like 201 00:09:57,970 --> 00:10:00,130 S3: I'm horny at No, but like, everyone's going down and 202 00:10:00,130 --> 00:10:03,160 S3: everyone there's like, all this. Like, I was like, I 203 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,010 S3: was impressed with, like, the ambition of it. And then 204 00:10:06,010 --> 00:10:08,050 S3: also I was like, oh, it's actually kind of funny. 205 00:10:08,050 --> 00:10:11,199 S3: And then it just like dropped off a cliff. The 206 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:15,130 S3: writing was so bad was the initial thing was like, 207 00:10:15,130 --> 00:10:18,520 S3: some of these lines are just really not landing. And 208 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,040 S3: the thing that I think is the biggest standout for me, 209 00:10:21,070 --> 00:10:22,270 S3: we can kind of come back to this, but I 210 00:10:22,270 --> 00:10:25,840 S3: think it's a huge mistake taking Miranda out of New York. 211 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:29,770 S3: She's living with Shay in LA. We already like the show, 212 00:10:29,770 --> 00:10:32,290 S3: suffers an enormous gap with Samantha not being in the show, 213 00:10:32,290 --> 00:10:34,059 S3: but we've kind of become accustomed to that. But then, 214 00:10:34,059 --> 00:10:36,880 S3: like removing Miranda from New York, like, those two things 215 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:39,730 S3: are essential to both Sex and the City and and 216 00:10:39,730 --> 00:10:41,230 S3: just like that. And I think having her in LA, 217 00:10:41,230 --> 00:10:42,520 S3: I think was a big weakness. 218 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:44,260 S2: Yeah, agree. And look, I want to flag this by 219 00:10:44,260 --> 00:10:46,569 S2: saying I really wanted to like and just like that 220 00:10:46,570 --> 00:10:48,760 S2: I was like in the mood for a high calorie 221 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:53,260 S2: nutritionally deficient show to binge on. But yeah, this didn't 222 00:10:53,260 --> 00:10:56,829 S2: feel the craving. I just found like I loved the fashion, 223 00:10:56,830 --> 00:11:00,100 S2: love the set, but I found the screenwriting and story 224 00:11:00,100 --> 00:11:03,520 S2: kind of soulless. And this one thing really annoyed me, 225 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,760 S2: the amount of exposition in it. Like every character has 226 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:10,120 S2: their story arc. But the way this show develops that 227 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:13,630 S2: story arc is by making that character tell their problem 228 00:11:13,630 --> 00:11:17,050 S2: to about 15 million other characters. So I just feel 229 00:11:17,260 --> 00:11:20,590 S2: like half of those two episodes was Carrie telling people, Oh, 230 00:11:20,590 --> 00:11:23,650 S2: I don't know if it's. Sex or love or, you know, 231 00:11:23,650 --> 00:11:26,229 S2: Miranda saying, I don't know if it's sex or love. 232 00:11:26,230 --> 00:11:29,470 S2: And it was just so overworked. And maybe in your 233 00:11:29,470 --> 00:11:33,250 S2: second state, you kind of needed that handheld through the episode. 234 00:11:33,250 --> 00:11:35,770 S2: But to me, it didn't demand a lot of me, 235 00:11:35,770 --> 00:11:37,480 S2: but not in a good way. And I also thought 236 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:39,640 S2: they should have been much shorter. Like 45 minutes felt 237 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:40,600 S2: so long to me. 238 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:41,860 S1: Yeah, I agree with that. I got to say, I 239 00:11:41,860 --> 00:11:43,600 S1: am interested in the fact that I ended up being 240 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:45,309 S1: a bit more positive about it than you guys, because 241 00:11:45,309 --> 00:11:47,350 S1: I think the last time we spoke about it, you 242 00:11:47,350 --> 00:11:49,690 S1: were really excited about this show, both Thomas and Mel, 243 00:11:49,690 --> 00:11:51,309 S1: and I was like, Oh, I didn't love it, but 244 00:11:51,309 --> 00:11:55,270 S1: let's let's give it a go. I, I think the 245 00:11:55,270 --> 00:11:58,150 S1: lack of Miranda is a really good shot because I 246 00:11:58,150 --> 00:12:00,670 S1: think what this season has, even more of which I 247 00:12:00,670 --> 00:12:03,400 S1: think the first season also suffered from, is this feeling 248 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:05,620 S1: that none of the main characters were actually in the 249 00:12:05,620 --> 00:12:09,189 S1: room together at any point. There are so few actual 250 00:12:09,190 --> 00:12:10,930 S1: interactions between all of them, and that was one of 251 00:12:10,929 --> 00:12:12,760 S1: the best things about the show, was when they would 252 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:14,890 S1: go live their lives and then catch up for drinks 253 00:12:14,890 --> 00:12:18,670 S1: or brunch or cupcakes or whatever. Can't believe I'm talking 254 00:12:18,670 --> 00:12:23,110 S1: about this show in the book. Anyway. But then this 255 00:12:23,110 --> 00:12:26,679 S1: one you've already lost. Yeah. Kim Cattrall. They're already not 256 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,170 S1: hanging out enough and we've literally relocated one to the 257 00:12:29,170 --> 00:12:32,199 S1: other side of the country. But one question I've got 258 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:33,280 S1: for you guys, the one thing I want to I 259 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:37,240 S1: want to raise potentially controversially, is when you're talking about 260 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:39,610 S1: the way the exposition is being delivered and some of 261 00:12:39,610 --> 00:12:42,130 S1: the storylines being a bit flat and repetitive in is 262 00:12:42,130 --> 00:12:45,620 S1: it love or friendship? That was a lot of the 263 00:12:45,620 --> 00:12:47,090 S1: original Sex in the City. 264 00:12:47,270 --> 00:12:50,150 S3: Yeah. So you tried to. I know what you're trying 265 00:12:50,150 --> 00:12:52,130 S3: to do here, man. I won't stand for it. You 266 00:12:52,130 --> 00:12:54,920 S3: tried to work this angle yesterday. You think that this 267 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:56,750 S3: show is just as bad as Sex in the City? 268 00:12:56,750 --> 00:12:58,010 S3: And we just kind of like, look at Sex and 269 00:12:58,010 --> 00:12:59,480 S3: the City through rose colored glasses or something? 270 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:01,490 S1: I don't think it's as bad. I also think Sex 271 00:13:01,490 --> 00:13:02,929 S1: and the City is a good show. But I do 272 00:13:02,929 --> 00:13:06,800 S1: think that what you're knocking this show for is what 273 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:08,569 S1: was apparent in Sex and the City. I don't think 274 00:13:08,570 --> 00:13:13,699 S1: Sex and the City was this prestige like extremely well written, 275 00:13:13,700 --> 00:13:17,270 S1: extremely great, amazing storylines. I think it was a fine 276 00:13:17,270 --> 00:13:21,319 S1: middlebrow show that was a lot of Carrie debating again 277 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:23,240 S1: and again with all of her friends. Am I in 278 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:24,440 S1: love with this guy? Am I not in love with 279 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:26,689 S1: this guy? And that's basically what is happening in the 280 00:13:26,690 --> 00:13:27,350 S1: show as well. 281 00:13:27,350 --> 00:13:29,660 S2: I think that's true. But the context into which that 282 00:13:29,660 --> 00:13:32,750 S2: was delivered was a very different world. So I think 283 00:13:32,750 --> 00:13:35,630 S2: that was more revolutionary then and it kind of came 284 00:13:35,630 --> 00:13:38,359 S2: in the, Oh, Thomas, prepare for your feminism schooling here. 285 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:40,940 S2: It kind of came in like fourth wave feminism. 286 00:13:40,940 --> 00:13:42,020 S3: That's my favorite way. 287 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:46,459 S2: And, you know, I think Desperate Housewives was on a 288 00:13:46,460 --> 00:13:48,470 S2: little after that. And there was Ally McBeal and it 289 00:13:48,470 --> 00:13:49,850 S2: was the first time we were kind of seeing on 290 00:13:49,850 --> 00:13:53,540 S2: the TV women that were kind of both smart but emotional, 291 00:13:53,540 --> 00:13:57,739 S2: both sexual but empowered. And I think maybe seeing it 292 00:13:57,740 --> 00:14:02,180 S2: in that world made it seem perhaps better than it 293 00:14:02,179 --> 00:14:04,250 S2: is viewing it now because it was so revolutionary at 294 00:14:04,250 --> 00:14:07,880 S2: the time. Whereas I think watching and just like that now, 295 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:11,900 S2: because we've had so many interesting, exciting representations of women 296 00:14:11,900 --> 00:14:14,420 S2: on screen, it just doesn't live up to the mark 297 00:14:14,420 --> 00:14:16,429 S2: of what we've seen since the original. 298 00:14:17,250 --> 00:14:19,800 S3: Yeah, I think exactly the same. Like the time it 299 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:21,840 S3: came out was such a different world. And it was 300 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:23,940 S3: taking it was a brave choice for HBO. It was 301 00:14:23,940 --> 00:14:25,380 S3: a huge risk for them at the time, like everyone 302 00:14:25,380 --> 00:14:27,210 S3: was like, This is going to tank and no one 303 00:14:27,210 --> 00:14:28,950 S3: had kind of backed it in the show, barely got 304 00:14:28,950 --> 00:14:30,870 S3: over the line at the time. So I think, yeah, 305 00:14:30,900 --> 00:14:34,200 S3: like the context does really matter. I also think like 306 00:14:34,470 --> 00:14:37,020 S3: we kind of touched on this yesterday, it's hard to 307 00:14:37,020 --> 00:14:40,830 S3: articulate without putting myself back into cancellation territory. But I'm 308 00:14:40,830 --> 00:14:45,660 S3: excited when you're watching a show about four people or 309 00:14:45,660 --> 00:14:48,210 S3: three people or whatever it is now, where essentially they 310 00:14:48,210 --> 00:14:50,190 S3: kind of just talk about like their love lives and 311 00:14:50,190 --> 00:14:55,680 S3: going out and stuff. That concept is more interesting when 312 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:59,250 S3: the people are younger. Oh yeah, and hotter. 313 00:14:59,250 --> 00:15:02,070 S2: Yes. We were wondering whether there's a bit of ageism 314 00:15:02,070 --> 00:15:04,020 S2: in some of the response to this show. 315 00:15:04,020 --> 00:15:06,060 S1: Well, you mean some of the response, like from Thomas Mitchell? 316 00:15:07,050 --> 00:15:08,640 S3: It's kind of true. Do you know what I mean? Like, 317 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:10,590 S3: it's not that we don't want to watch these people 318 00:15:10,590 --> 00:15:12,810 S3: at all, but like, it's just they're trying to do 319 00:15:12,810 --> 00:15:16,650 S3: the same thing, but like, it's in reality, it's more exciting, 320 00:15:16,650 --> 00:15:19,590 S3: you know, to watch that when they're actually at this 321 00:15:19,590 --> 00:15:21,030 S3: stage of their lives. Right now, it feels a bit 322 00:15:21,030 --> 00:15:22,280 S3: like manufactured or something. 323 00:15:22,290 --> 00:15:23,850 S1: Yeah, it's an interesting point because, I mean, I do 324 00:15:23,850 --> 00:15:26,790 S1: think there's an overall problem in that, like we have 325 00:15:26,790 --> 00:15:30,600 S1: been trained through society and through TV to just not 326 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:33,480 S1: view women at this stage of life with the same 327 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,780 S1: kind of excitement and enjoyment as we do watching younger women. 328 00:15:36,780 --> 00:15:39,810 S1: But that said, there are obviously ways to tell stories 329 00:15:39,810 --> 00:15:44,490 S1: about older women dating and juggling friendship and work in 330 00:15:44,490 --> 00:15:46,620 S1: a way that feels real and fun and compelling. But 331 00:15:46,620 --> 00:15:50,250 S1: this one isn't really doing either. Like Carrie's relationship and 332 00:15:50,250 --> 00:15:53,190 S1: job doesn't seem to have anything to do with like, 333 00:15:53,190 --> 00:15:55,500 S1: what stage of life she's in. This could have been 334 00:15:55,500 --> 00:15:58,290 S1: a Carrie storyline from 20 years ago. I feel like 335 00:15:58,290 --> 00:15:59,220 S1: that's what you're trying to say. 336 00:15:59,430 --> 00:16:00,810 S3: Yes, that is what I'm trying to say. I'm not 337 00:16:00,810 --> 00:16:02,760 S3: trying to say that like we shouldn't see these stories 338 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:04,650 S3: on screen, but it's just like they've taken the same 339 00:16:04,650 --> 00:16:06,660 S3: DNA and like, force it onto these women like 30 340 00:16:06,660 --> 00:16:09,360 S3: years later. But you've got to, like update the the 341 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:11,670 S3: stories and stuff in order for it to kind of fit. 342 00:16:11,670 --> 00:16:14,100 S1: Well, especially in a world in terms of like as you, 343 00:16:14,100 --> 00:16:17,520 S1: I think really eloquently put, Mel, the difference between the 344 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:20,460 S1: two shows is perhaps not the quality of the screenwriting 345 00:16:20,460 --> 00:16:22,530 S1: or acting as much as the different eras that they're 346 00:16:22,530 --> 00:16:26,070 S1: landing in. And in a kind of post girls world 347 00:16:26,070 --> 00:16:28,410 S1: in a post, you know, Broad City World, if we're 348 00:16:28,410 --> 00:16:31,470 S1: going to watch shows of women hanging out in New York, 349 00:16:31,470 --> 00:16:33,840 S1: why isn't doing something equally as brave and bold and 350 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:35,940 S1: as exciting as the original Sex and the City was? 351 00:16:35,940 --> 00:16:38,610 S1: I completely agree with you guys that this is not 352 00:16:38,610 --> 00:16:41,400 S1: a brave or exciting show. I think my point is 353 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:45,150 S1: more that it scratches an itch of just watching something 354 00:16:45,540 --> 00:16:49,920 S1: fine and like enjoyable because we know these characters so 355 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:53,370 S1: well and there's a almost a meta element to it 356 00:16:53,370 --> 00:16:57,240 S1: because it's so hard to separate out watching Carrie and 357 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:00,090 S1: watching like Sarah Jessica Parker because we know that Surgical 358 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,460 S1: Parker and Kim Cattrall don't get along. We know that 359 00:17:02,460 --> 00:17:05,340 S1: there's all this like, stuff like, why the actual show 360 00:17:05,340 --> 00:17:08,129 S1: we're watching mirrors what's happening in real life because of 361 00:17:08,130 --> 00:17:10,500 S1: who's in it and who's not in it. So that, 362 00:17:10,500 --> 00:17:14,310 S1: I think, adds a fun, gossipy component to to the series. 363 00:17:14,670 --> 00:17:16,350 S3: But like you made this point yesterday, Mel, and I 364 00:17:16,350 --> 00:17:19,080 S3: think it's very true this it feels so much and 365 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:21,300 S3: I don't know if this is like part of the 366 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:23,460 S3: being in it. And also, you know, Sex and the 367 00:17:23,460 --> 00:17:25,679 S3: City was a show that was predominantly always filmed at 368 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:27,419 S3: night because they were like going out and stuff. Whereas 369 00:17:27,420 --> 00:17:29,010 S3: now it's all that daytime, but it feels like a 370 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:32,820 S3: sitcom now. It feels like a Chuck Law sitcom, and 371 00:17:32,820 --> 00:17:35,169 S3: you almost expecting a laugh track or something. It's it's 372 00:17:35,180 --> 00:17:39,030 S3: just the tone is so different and even it's drifted 373 00:17:39,030 --> 00:17:41,280 S3: for me much further into that sitcom territory than the 374 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:42,359 S3: first season of this show. 375 00:17:42,450 --> 00:17:44,669 S2: And maybe all the cuts to all the dozens of 376 00:17:44,670 --> 00:17:47,250 S2: different characters with their different storylines. But we only see 377 00:17:47,250 --> 00:17:49,650 S2: it for two minutes. Maybe that adds to that effect 378 00:17:49,650 --> 00:17:52,770 S2: of the sitcom. And I would say to in terms 379 00:17:52,770 --> 00:17:55,350 S2: of the representation of aging on screen, I just don't 380 00:17:55,350 --> 00:17:58,020 S2: think this is a very good representation of aging because 381 00:17:58,020 --> 00:18:00,239 S2: all these women and I find this really hard to 382 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,669 S2: get over, they just seem so out of touch. And 383 00:18:02,670 --> 00:18:05,430 S2: I don't know how these four, you know, on top 384 00:18:05,430 --> 00:18:08,940 S2: of the world, Carrie's writing for Vogue. Kim's like, I 385 00:18:08,940 --> 00:18:10,710 S2: know she's not in it, but Sam is a leading 386 00:18:10,710 --> 00:18:14,040 S2: PR agent. Charlotte was an art curator, Miranda's lawyer. How 387 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:16,710 S2: they all became so out of touch, like Miranda just 388 00:18:16,710 --> 00:18:18,710 S2: seems so different in the first two apps. You know, 389 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:21,570 S2: when she loses her mobile phone and she absolutely loses 390 00:18:21,570 --> 00:18:25,890 S2: the plot, it just doesn't seem like this is realistically 391 00:18:25,890 --> 00:18:28,139 S2: who these characters would have become or that is the 392 00:18:28,140 --> 00:18:31,650 S2: only way to be a woman in your 50 or 60s. 393 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:34,830 S1: Miranda particularly losing her phone and freaking out because she 394 00:18:34,830 --> 00:18:38,129 S1: can't make dinner with Tony Danza, a washed up American 395 00:18:38,130 --> 00:18:41,070 S1: actor from like 40 years ago is bizarre. Like, that's 396 00:18:41,070 --> 00:18:41,850 S1: never happening. 397 00:18:42,300 --> 00:18:44,970 S3: That was such like, it's like someone's chucked in a 398 00:18:44,970 --> 00:18:47,670 S3: bunch of plots into like a blender and then just 399 00:18:47,670 --> 00:18:50,669 S3: like wizard around, like, let's see, why is Tony Danza 400 00:18:50,670 --> 00:18:50,879 S3: in this? 401 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,010 S2: So so is that the best cameo they could get? 402 00:18:53,010 --> 00:18:55,020 S3: I know they were like, who is on the lot. 403 00:18:55,020 --> 00:19:00,659 S1: Today in terms of the vast amount of characters they've injected? 404 00:19:00,660 --> 00:19:03,300 S1: Because I do think this is another thing that distracts 405 00:19:03,300 --> 00:19:06,389 S1: from the show they obviously are responding to and they 406 00:19:06,390 --> 00:19:08,430 S1: did this in season one, the criticisms of a lack 407 00:19:08,430 --> 00:19:12,330 S1: of diversity and they've added these characters, the Wexler, as 408 00:19:12,330 --> 00:19:14,790 S1: I mentioned before, and Sima and I feel like the 409 00:19:14,790 --> 00:19:18,860 S1: problem is they haven't done. Anyone else's screen time to 410 00:19:18,859 --> 00:19:21,740 S1: give these characters like plot and development. And so that's 411 00:19:21,740 --> 00:19:24,980 S1: why these episodes are bloated at 45 minutes long. But 412 00:19:24,980 --> 00:19:28,010 S1: it's just very overwhelming. Like I keep forgetting who is 413 00:19:28,010 --> 00:19:30,560 S1: who and how they interact with the others. And it's 414 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:34,609 S1: also like it's such a on the nose attempt to 415 00:19:34,609 --> 00:19:38,390 S1: inject diversity. It's like, okay, we've got these black characters 416 00:19:38,390 --> 00:19:41,210 S1: in the show. How do we do something that is like, 417 00:19:41,210 --> 00:19:43,310 S1: quote unquote black with them? And you end up with 418 00:19:43,310 --> 00:19:46,100 S1: this bizarre dialogue. I think in the second episode where 419 00:19:46,130 --> 00:19:50,570 S1: Herbert Wexler is arguing with his mother about like, what's 420 00:19:50,570 --> 00:19:53,270 S1: the best way to, like, act in public because she 421 00:19:53,270 --> 00:19:56,240 S1: catches him getting angry at a taxi driver. And she's like, 422 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:59,270 S1: you know, when your grandfather was at Selma, you know, 423 00:19:59,270 --> 00:20:01,190 S1: he wore a you know, he buttoned up his suit 424 00:20:01,190 --> 00:20:03,110 S1: and his tie and he was angry, but he looked 425 00:20:03,109 --> 00:20:05,810 S1: good doing it. I'm like, what show are we watching? 426 00:20:05,810 --> 00:20:09,740 S1: Why is this black grandmother lecturing her son about the 427 00:20:09,740 --> 00:20:14,870 S1: Selma civil rights marches? It just doesn't feel real at all. Super, 428 00:20:14,869 --> 00:20:15,620 S1: super bizarre. 429 00:20:16,010 --> 00:20:17,230 S3: Yeah, I think I said to me, oh, yes, time 430 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:18,920 S3: we're watching it. So weird to watch a show where 431 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,399 S3: you talk about Selma and also vaginal suppositories in Tony Danza, 432 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,100 S3: five minute. And Tony Danza is there, too, coordinating the 433 00:20:25,100 --> 00:20:28,730 S3: whole thing. Yeah, it's yeah, it's very strange. It feels 434 00:20:28,730 --> 00:20:32,270 S3: like they've gone into the writers room being like, okay, well, 435 00:20:32,270 --> 00:20:35,720 S3: we've got, you know, an entire history of mistakes to 436 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,000 S3: fix up. So here we go. Like, you know, I 437 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,220 S3: read a great headline yesterday that was and just like 438 00:20:40,220 --> 00:20:42,470 S3: that is desperately trying to prove it has black friends. 439 00:20:42,619 --> 00:20:44,930 S3: And that's very much what it feels like. You know, 440 00:20:44,930 --> 00:20:47,690 S3: everyone knew going into this show that Sex and the 441 00:20:47,690 --> 00:20:50,450 S3: City had problems. I know we don't do fun fact 442 00:20:50,450 --> 00:20:53,110 S3: corner anymore but here's some he's some fun stats great great. 443 00:20:53,390 --> 00:20:54,020 S1: Stats. 444 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,320 S3: So okay Sex and the City premiered in 1998. The 445 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,560 S3: population of New York City was 7.6 million. And at 446 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:01,160 S3: that time. 447 00:21:01,250 --> 00:21:03,290 S2: Sorry, this is just again. 448 00:21:03,650 --> 00:21:06,649 S3: It's just let me go. Only 35% of people in 449 00:21:06,650 --> 00:21:09,619 S3: New York City were white. Over the course of 94 episodes. 450 00:21:09,619 --> 00:21:13,310 S3: There were 108 different dating partners between the four women, 451 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,209 S3: only three of them were people of color. So, like, 452 00:21:16,250 --> 00:21:19,100 S3: that's pretty bad. Obviously, like Sex and the City dropped 453 00:21:19,100 --> 00:21:21,320 S3: the ball. We all know that. But then this like 454 00:21:21,830 --> 00:21:27,409 S3: overcorrection is just handled so poorly like that, it makes 455 00:21:27,410 --> 00:21:29,179 S3: it it's kind of defeating the very purpose of what 456 00:21:29,180 --> 00:21:30,020 S3: it's trying to do. 457 00:21:30,020 --> 00:21:32,330 S2: Yeah, it becomes tokenistic. It's like it's trying to defend 458 00:21:32,330 --> 00:21:36,530 S2: itself from accusations of superficiality without realizing that the superficiality 459 00:21:36,530 --> 00:21:39,440 S2: of the show is part of its genius and joy. 460 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:41,840 S2: And so it's trying to correct that, but in such 461 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:45,290 S2: a superficial way that, yeah, as you said, it's not effective. 462 00:21:45,619 --> 00:21:47,480 S1: Yeah, I agree with that. And also, like, I just 463 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,459 S1: don't think it feels real. Like it's like with the 464 00:21:49,460 --> 00:21:52,219 S1: girls problem, it's that there are, there's this group of 465 00:21:52,220 --> 00:21:55,550 S1: very like out of touch superficial women like let them 466 00:21:55,550 --> 00:21:57,980 S1: live their lives. That's the show that we're watching. If 467 00:21:57,980 --> 00:22:00,800 S1: I want to watch a show about other people from 468 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,680 S1: other backgrounds, dating and living, I would rather just watch 469 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:07,100 S1: that show, not have it shoehorn. I think Australian TV 470 00:22:07,100 --> 00:22:10,100 S1: is like guilty of this so often where they're like, Oh, 471 00:22:10,100 --> 00:22:12,560 S1: we're going to do a show that's like set in 472 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:16,310 S1: a media company in the 70s, but we'll put a 473 00:22:16,310 --> 00:22:20,660 S1: whole bunch of like Asian and South Asian and, you know, 474 00:22:20,660 --> 00:22:23,480 S1: others people of different backgrounds in there when like, there's 475 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,550 S1: none of us in newsrooms now, let alone in like 476 00:22:25,550 --> 00:22:27,620 S1: the 70s and the 80s. And it just doesn't make 477 00:22:27,619 --> 00:22:29,690 S1: any sense. And it feels totally tokenistic. 478 00:22:29,690 --> 00:22:31,610 S3: And I think you're right. It's like and the effort 479 00:22:31,609 --> 00:22:34,130 S3: to not even like meld them into the main storylines 480 00:22:34,130 --> 00:22:36,979 S3: like the Wesley's, they kind of just exist in their 481 00:22:36,980 --> 00:22:42,109 S3: own like B-plot storyline, the across both episodes, like at 482 00:22:42,109 --> 00:22:43,820 S3: least with Nya Wallace Like we had a bit of 483 00:22:43,820 --> 00:22:47,420 S3: setup in season one. She was Miranda's lecturer. And I 484 00:22:47,420 --> 00:22:49,670 S3: actually like, I don't mind that friendship and she's going 485 00:22:49,670 --> 00:22:51,889 S3: through her stuff with her husband and like, I liked 486 00:22:51,890 --> 00:22:55,820 S3: that I found the Wesley storyline like just so shoehorned in. 487 00:22:55,820 --> 00:22:58,010 S3: They don't even making an attempt to like make it 488 00:22:58,010 --> 00:22:59,959 S3: all part of the same show. I think one. 489 00:22:59,960 --> 00:23:02,750 S2: Of the opening introductions to to the Wesley's was Lisa 490 00:23:02,750 --> 00:23:05,720 S2: Wesley saying like, where's your lacrosse stick? Or the kids 491 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,520 S2: saying that to her? And I was just like, What 492 00:23:08,540 --> 00:23:09,590 S2: is going on here? Yeah. 493 00:23:09,590 --> 00:23:11,479 S1: And there's a weird line about like, her hair and 494 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,220 S1: the dad's trying to straighten the hair and the mom's like, 495 00:23:13,220 --> 00:23:16,850 S1: she's got beautiful natural hair. It's like, okay, guys, we 496 00:23:16,850 --> 00:23:20,720 S1: get it. You guys really like black people Now, thanks 497 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,720 S1: for taking every opportunity to point it out, but we'll 498 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,030 S1: never see Carrie dead, a black guy. So let's see 499 00:23:26,030 --> 00:23:29,030 S1: how far things really go. The other, I guess main 500 00:23:29,030 --> 00:23:30,800 S1: theme that stood out to me from the first couple 501 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,950 S1: of episodes was the plot of the first episode is 502 00:23:33,950 --> 00:23:36,890 S1: everyone's going to the Met Gala, which bizarrely is called 503 00:23:36,890 --> 00:23:39,020 S1: the Met Ball. Again and again. I looked it up 504 00:23:39,020 --> 00:23:41,899 S1: and apparently the Met gala is officially also called the 505 00:23:41,900 --> 00:23:44,750 S1: Met Ball, but it did feel a bit incongruous. You 506 00:23:44,750 --> 00:23:46,490 S1: just don't hear it called that that often. 507 00:23:46,490 --> 00:23:48,530 S2: I thought that was maybe them being out of touch 508 00:23:48,530 --> 00:23:50,240 S2: or like they couldn't get the lawyers. They didn't have 509 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,340 S2: enough budget for lawyers to get the kind of to 510 00:23:52,340 --> 00:23:54,140 S2: use the Met ball representation. 511 00:23:54,140 --> 00:23:55,280 S3: Yeah, I thought the same thing, but I'm going to 512 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:56,780 S3: give them like the benefit of doubt on this one 513 00:23:56,780 --> 00:23:59,240 S3: because like surely that crew know how to refer to 514 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:00,889 S3: the Met gala better than the three of us who 515 00:24:00,890 --> 00:24:02,540 S3: have never been invited. But then like. 516 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,080 S1: Yeah, maybe. But everyone calls it the Met Gala. I 517 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:07,550 S1: feel like everyone calls it the Met Gala. 518 00:24:07,550 --> 00:24:11,149 S3: Yeah, I agree. But like, it was, it was weird. Anyway, 519 00:24:11,150 --> 00:24:14,629 S3: more importantly than that, like semantics. How funny is it 520 00:24:14,630 --> 00:24:16,350 S3: that the entire plot of the episode one is we're 521 00:24:16,350 --> 00:24:17,840 S3: all going. Went to the Met ball. 522 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,570 S1: And then they don't show the Met Ball. And also 523 00:24:20,570 --> 00:24:22,430 S1: how are they all invited to the Met ball That. 524 00:24:22,430 --> 00:24:24,440 S3: Also I know how the fuck is Mario going? 525 00:24:25,369 --> 00:24:27,680 S2: And it was such a missed opportunity not to show 526 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,080 S2: the Met ball as we'll now call. 527 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,120 S1: Well so there's another HBO show on at the moment, 528 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,490 S1: Dave which is this kind of like comedy series about 529 00:24:34,490 --> 00:24:38,270 S1: this rapper Lil Dicky. This the latest season has a 530 00:24:38,270 --> 00:24:41,030 S1: whole plot around going to the ball slash gala. They 531 00:24:41,030 --> 00:24:43,250 S1: actually show it in that show about this dumb rapper 532 00:24:43,250 --> 00:24:46,369 S1: from Philadelphia. This is the New York City show and 533 00:24:46,369 --> 00:24:48,109 S1: they have not shown it super weird. 534 00:24:48,590 --> 00:24:50,420 S2: And it's a show that's meant to be all about 535 00:24:50,420 --> 00:24:52,340 S2: fashion in terms of what the characters were. And it 536 00:24:52,340 --> 00:24:54,170 S2: also would have been a great opportunity to get some 537 00:24:54,170 --> 00:24:56,970 S2: good cameos. I mean, like when you think about absolutely 538 00:24:57,020 --> 00:24:59,840 S2: Met Gala shows or shows that have kind of had 539 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:04,730 S2: met gala related episodes like Devil Wears Prada, Gossip Girl, 540 00:25:04,730 --> 00:25:07,310 S2: even the Kardashians took us to the Met Gala. They 541 00:25:07,310 --> 00:25:08,480 S2: could have done so much with it. 542 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,060 S3: And like, if anyone can pull strings, Michael Patrick King 543 00:25:11,060 --> 00:25:14,200 S3: would be like, you know, the creator and showrunner writer. 544 00:25:14,330 --> 00:25:16,310 S3: He as if he couldn't call Anna Wintour and be like, Hey, 545 00:25:16,310 --> 00:25:18,050 S3: can we come and shoot? Like they could have like, 546 00:25:18,050 --> 00:25:20,630 S3: stacked this first episode with stars, set the whole thing 547 00:25:20,630 --> 00:25:23,179 S3: at the Met Gala and then it would have been amazing. Well, 548 00:25:23,180 --> 00:25:23,860 S3: that's even that. 549 00:25:23,869 --> 00:25:26,090 S1: Even Dave the show is talking about, which I will 550 00:25:26,090 --> 00:25:30,020 S1: reiterate is a very dumb show. It had Don Cheadle, 551 00:25:30,020 --> 00:25:33,770 S1: Rachel McAdams and your guy Jack Harlow cameos at the 552 00:25:33,770 --> 00:25:36,560 S1: Met Gala. It seems so easy if that show could 553 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,930 S1: have pulled it off, how the Sex and the City 554 00:25:39,410 --> 00:25:41,810 S1: show could not have had 100 they could have recreated. 555 00:25:41,810 --> 00:25:43,880 S1: They probably could have gotten the rights. If any show 556 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,459 S1: could have to shoot the actual Met gala, it would 557 00:25:46,460 --> 00:25:49,220 S1: have been them, given how iconic they were to the 558 00:25:49,220 --> 00:25:51,860 S1: whole discourse of fashion. And those kinds of events in 559 00:25:51,859 --> 00:25:52,610 S1: New York. 560 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:57,800 S2: Agree also carries dress look like a shower curtain. I 561 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,379 S2: couldn't believe that that was her Met gala outfit. 562 00:26:00,950 --> 00:26:02,720 S1: You guys are sort of talking me around into how 563 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,990 S1: bad this show might have been. Maybe now that I'm like, lucid, incoherent, 564 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:06,890 S1: it's not really. 565 00:26:06,890 --> 00:26:10,430 S3: Working. I had two kind of questions for you both. Firstly, 566 00:26:10,430 --> 00:26:12,050 S3: I always find it really funny when you see stand 567 00:26:12,050 --> 00:26:15,770 S3: up comedy in a TV show. Like do you what 568 00:26:15,770 --> 00:26:17,659 S3: did you think of would you go and see Shay 569 00:26:17,660 --> 00:26:18,860 S3: at like the Comedy Store? 570 00:26:18,980 --> 00:26:20,840 S1: I would not go and see the Comedy Store. I 571 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:22,939 S1: did think it was funny that we see their comedy 572 00:26:22,940 --> 00:26:25,010 S1: and it's just one joke like we're supposed to believe. 573 00:26:25,010 --> 00:26:27,920 S1: There was this amazing set and I guarantee you that 574 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:29,810 S1: the only joke they wrote and was probably the funniest 575 00:26:29,810 --> 00:26:32,370 S1: was the one at the end about getting an Uber. Yeah. 576 00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:35,030 S1: From your kitchen to your bathroom or whatever. Didn't work 577 00:26:35,030 --> 00:26:37,250 S1: for me. I don't know who is watching or greenlighting 578 00:26:37,250 --> 00:26:39,020 S1: this show about Jay's life. 579 00:26:39,230 --> 00:26:41,990 S2: Yeah, I'm not buying the merch that was on sale backstage. 580 00:26:41,990 --> 00:26:45,050 S3: Yeah, no, I am on the same page. I don't 581 00:26:45,050 --> 00:26:46,490 S3: think if you're going to set up a character who 582 00:26:46,490 --> 00:26:48,080 S3: is meant to be like a really red hot comedian, 583 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,860 S3: at least get, like, one funny joke in there. My 584 00:26:51,859 --> 00:26:54,800 S3: other question is, I guess given the current TV landscape 585 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,950 S3: and the soul of this show, what did we make 586 00:26:57,950 --> 00:26:59,960 S3: of what was like a fair bit of sex in 587 00:26:59,960 --> 00:27:01,550 S3: the first two episodes of Just Like That? 588 00:27:01,940 --> 00:27:04,310 S1: Actually, I'm glad you asked this because I do think 589 00:27:04,310 --> 00:27:06,740 S1: this is an interesting point of the show, an interesting 590 00:27:06,740 --> 00:27:09,230 S1: part of the show. And to me, it contrasts a 591 00:27:09,230 --> 00:27:13,370 S1: lot to the conversations we've had regarding the sex on 592 00:27:13,369 --> 00:27:15,320 S1: the Idol. Right. And I've made the point about that 593 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,510 S1: show a bunch of times that the sex on that 594 00:27:17,510 --> 00:27:20,720 S1: show does not serve any kind of purpose. We don't 595 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,900 S1: learn much about the characters. There's no plot development with it. 596 00:27:23,900 --> 00:27:26,480 S1: It is just there for the sake of showing something 597 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,330 S1: that is sexy and titillating. I do think that almost 598 00:27:29,330 --> 00:27:32,630 S1: all of the sex on this show and I think 599 00:27:32,630 --> 00:27:34,760 S1: Sex and City was good at doing this as well, 600 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,120 S1: tells us something about where the characters are. It reveals 601 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:42,320 S1: something about their insecurities, their desires, the state of relationships. 602 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:46,010 S1: Some comment on on modern sex and the complexities around it. 603 00:27:46,010 --> 00:27:48,650 S1: I do think that this show is quite good at that, 604 00:27:48,650 --> 00:27:50,959 S1: and I think that's one bit of the DNA of 605 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,540 S1: Sex and the City they've kept. And I think it 606 00:27:53,540 --> 00:27:55,399 S1: is a big move to have so much more of it. 607 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,679 S1: And maybe like, you know, there are some scenes where 608 00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,750 S1: you're like, oh, do we really need that? Probably not. 609 00:27:59,750 --> 00:28:02,840 S1: But overall, I think this is a very good example 610 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,870 S1: of how to use sex as a mechanism to kind 611 00:28:05,869 --> 00:28:07,670 S1: of drive your story forward. 612 00:28:07,670 --> 00:28:10,399 S2: Yeah, I completely agree. It became a shorthand into the 613 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,740 S2: characters and their relationships. 614 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,140 S3: Yeah, I think so too. Like if there was one 615 00:28:15,140 --> 00:28:17,119 S3: thing that show did well, it was. It was the sex. 616 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,210 S3: And even that, like the opening. Yeah, the opening two 617 00:28:20,210 --> 00:28:22,610 S3: minutes of the opening episode, it did kind of like 618 00:28:22,609 --> 00:28:24,260 S3: set the scene and stuff. And I guess, you know, 619 00:28:24,260 --> 00:28:27,740 S3: especially with Miranda and Shae, that's probably the most curious 620 00:28:27,740 --> 00:28:30,500 S3: and experimental relationship for a show like Sex and the City. 621 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,330 S3: And just like that. And I feel like the way 622 00:28:32,330 --> 00:28:35,270 S3: they explore that is actually really well done, even down 623 00:28:35,270 --> 00:28:38,690 S3: to the you know, we have this conversation where Shay 624 00:28:38,690 --> 00:28:40,400 S3: is on the phone to Carrie and she's talking about 625 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,040 S3: how some relationships are all about sex. And you can 626 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,260 S3: see Miranda like, you know, a seed gets planted and 627 00:28:45,260 --> 00:28:47,240 S3: they're about to do something she's never done before. And 628 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,520 S3: she kind of like gets a bit of a head noise. 629 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,220 S3: So yeah, I think I'm impressed. At least, if nothing else, 630 00:28:52,220 --> 00:28:54,740 S3: the show hasn't lost that part of it, which was 631 00:28:54,740 --> 00:28:57,950 S3: always such an important part of the show. But sadly, 632 00:28:57,950 --> 00:29:00,980 S3: I still find when it comes to sex. Carrie, is 633 00:29:00,980 --> 00:29:03,800 S3: this the worst at talking about it? 634 00:29:03,890 --> 00:29:06,050 S1: Well, that brings up two questions I want to ask 635 00:29:06,050 --> 00:29:10,100 S1: you guys right about this show. So the main kind 636 00:29:10,100 --> 00:29:13,070 S1: of conceit of Carrie now is she's not a columnist. 637 00:29:13,070 --> 00:29:16,670 S1: She's a podcaster about sex. And maybe that's. One of 638 00:29:16,670 --> 00:29:20,590 S1: the reasons I like this show, it's a secret podcast show. 639 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,090 S1: There are there are not that many. Is it is 640 00:29:23,090 --> 00:29:23,530 S1: it secret? 641 00:29:23,540 --> 00:29:26,090 S3: They say the word podcast like a thousand times. 642 00:29:26,510 --> 00:29:27,979 S1: I guess what I mean is when you when you 643 00:29:27,980 --> 00:29:29,510 S1: talk to people about it and just like that, you're like, oh, 644 00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:31,190 S1: it's a show about like a bunch of women getting 645 00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:34,400 S1: up to stuff. But for me, it's like also one 646 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:38,510 S1: of these rare shows that kind of is interrogating podcasting 647 00:29:38,510 --> 00:29:41,390 S1: a little bit. Like we do get this discussion in 648 00:29:41,390 --> 00:29:44,390 S1: the second episode about the podcasting industry kind of being 649 00:29:44,390 --> 00:29:47,180 S1: on its knees, which is mirroring real conversations, particularly in 650 00:29:47,180 --> 00:29:50,390 S1: the US with the shutdown of Gimlet, this big podcast 651 00:29:50,390 --> 00:29:53,660 S1: studio that's basically been absorbed into Spotify, LA Times laying 652 00:29:53,660 --> 00:29:56,300 S1: off basically their entire podcast team. So my first question 653 00:29:56,300 --> 00:29:59,030 S1: for you guys is, is there a better show about 654 00:29:59,030 --> 00:30:00,740 S1: podcasting out right now? 655 00:30:01,250 --> 00:30:03,620 S2: Yes, absolutely. I would say there is. And I was 656 00:30:03,620 --> 00:30:05,990 S2: mentioning before, I wanted a kind of a show that 657 00:30:05,990 --> 00:30:08,540 S2: didn't demand too much of you to watch and and 658 00:30:08,540 --> 00:30:11,030 S2: show also on binge based on a true story is 659 00:30:11,030 --> 00:30:13,430 S2: absolutely that. Have you guys seen it? 660 00:30:13,430 --> 00:30:14,990 S3: Yeah, I just watched the first webisodes I love. I 661 00:30:14,990 --> 00:30:15,440 S3: haven't seen it. 662 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:19,640 S2: Yeah, it's great, man. It's created by Craig Rosenberg, Kaley 663 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,990 S2: Cuoco and Chris Messina are this married couple who discover 664 00:30:23,990 --> 00:30:27,050 S2: that their plumber, who's played by the fabulous Tom Bateman 665 00:30:27,050 --> 00:30:29,400 S2: not related to Jason. I did a I did it. 666 00:30:29,420 --> 00:30:32,030 S2: I did do that. Checking that their plumber is a 667 00:30:32,030 --> 00:30:35,480 S2: serial killer and they decide that they're going to make 668 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,330 S2: a true crime podcast. I've heard about the interview, The 669 00:30:38,330 --> 00:30:40,880 S2: Serial Killer, and it is so funny and so clever 670 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,400 S2: and it is such a reflection on the true crime 671 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:47,240 S2: podcast Fever. And it's very well done. And I'd also 672 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,520 S2: put in a Shout for Only Murder in the Building, 673 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,410 S2: which is also a great show with elements of kind 674 00:30:51,410 --> 00:30:53,120 S2: of true crime podcasting to it. 675 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:54,860 S1: That, you know, that's a good point. That is probably 676 00:30:54,860 --> 00:30:57,590 S1: my favorite podcast show that I've seen. That is very good. 677 00:30:57,830 --> 00:31:00,530 S1: My second question, which sort of relates to the first 678 00:31:00,530 --> 00:31:04,580 S1: is on this podcast, Carrie sort of dishes out relationship advice, 679 00:31:04,580 --> 00:31:07,940 S1: and that's been her whole thing, right? She's an advice columnist. 680 00:31:08,450 --> 00:31:12,440 S1: Is Carrie a good advice columnist? 681 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:17,510 S3: Carrie is the worst advice columnist in the long history 682 00:31:17,510 --> 00:31:20,570 S3: of advice. Columnist. Carrie is about as qualified to give 683 00:31:20,570 --> 00:31:23,330 S3: advice about sex as Sam Levinson is to write a 684 00:31:23,330 --> 00:31:28,160 S3: show about sex. She is terrible. Firstly, like the amount 685 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,920 S3: of times she's shocked by like, sex stuff. I'm like, 686 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,460 S3: you're you're the columnist for What is it like? You know, 687 00:31:33,470 --> 00:31:35,420 S3: she's written for Vogue, but she's essentially the column sex 688 00:31:35,420 --> 00:31:37,730 S3: columnist for The New York Times in the Sex and 689 00:31:37,730 --> 00:31:40,700 S3: the City universe. And like she's the biggest prude. And 690 00:31:40,700 --> 00:31:43,940 S3: on top of like worse than that, historically throughout the show, 691 00:31:43,940 --> 00:31:45,250 S3: people have kind of gone back and been like, you know, 692 00:31:45,260 --> 00:31:47,720 S3: there's a million articles online, like 20 times. Carrie was 693 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,630 S3: the worst advice columnist ever, but she's like, she's slut shamed. 694 00:31:50,630 --> 00:31:54,800 S3: She's prudish. She is like just completely out of touch. 695 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,290 S3: I would never, ever go to her for advice in 696 00:31:57,290 --> 00:31:58,070 S3: anything at all. 697 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:02,840 S2: I hard agree. Also, she opens the podcast answering the 698 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,080 S2: caller's question with certainly I'm no expert and I'm like, 699 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:07,910 S2: You're meant to be an expert. Isn't this what you've 700 00:32:07,910 --> 00:32:09,920 S2: done for the last kind of 30 years? 701 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:11,360 S3: This is the podcast called Sex and the City that 702 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:12,770 S3: you're hosting. But then how. 703 00:32:12,770 --> 00:32:15,740 S2: About her advice to there's this woman who's like, How 704 00:32:15,740 --> 00:32:17,600 S2: do I know if my boyfriend wants to make things 705 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,670 S2: more serious? And she's like, There will be a moment 706 00:32:19,670 --> 00:32:22,340 S2: when he steps out of the pattern. And I'm like, Carrie, 707 00:32:22,340 --> 00:32:24,880 S2: what about seizing the momentum as a woman? Yeah, What. 708 00:32:24,970 --> 00:32:27,100 S1: About initiating a conversation and like, talking? 709 00:32:27,140 --> 00:32:29,570 S2: Exactly. Where's the healthy dialogue? This is why it's not 710 00:32:29,570 --> 00:32:29,840 S2: worked out. 711 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,160 S1: Should we start a little segment at the end of 712 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,400 S1: these where we just answer people's dating and love questions? 713 00:32:34,490 --> 00:32:36,110 S3: I would be fucking so about that. 714 00:32:36,140 --> 00:32:36,890 S2: Yeah I'm so. 715 00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:38,479 S3: I've got some thoughts for the people. 716 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:42,440 S1: Well that neatly leads me into my final question for 717 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,440 S1: you guys, which is the thing that people have loved 718 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,600 S1: doing since this show first came out, Sex and the 719 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,450 S1: City in 1998. Like, they get together at brunch and 720 00:32:50,450 --> 00:32:53,200 S1: they talk about, Oh my God, you're such a Carrie, 721 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:57,350 S1: such a Samantha, blah, blah, blah. I want to know, blah. 722 00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:58,760 S3: Blah, blah. That game. I love that. 723 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:00,170 S2: Game. I want to go to brunch with you guys. 724 00:33:00,690 --> 00:33:01,160 S3: That was just. 725 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,370 S1: We're about to play the game and Thomas has got 726 00:33:04,370 --> 00:33:07,250 S1: a very evil grin on his face, so I'm very 727 00:33:07,250 --> 00:33:10,520 S1: concerned where this is going. I want us all to 728 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:15,080 S1: try to assign a character from the show to each other. 729 00:33:15,530 --> 00:33:20,480 S1: Thomas Because you seemed unable to wait. Why don't you 730 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,040 S1: go first? Why don't you lay it on us? 731 00:33:22,340 --> 00:33:28,580 S3: Okay, cool. This took me about 30s. So. So, Mel, 732 00:33:28,580 --> 00:33:30,810 S3: I think we all quite clearly know is obviously a chance. 733 00:33:30,860 --> 00:33:34,430 S2: Oh, you did it. You. You were going to do. 734 00:33:34,430 --> 00:33:35,900 S3: Such Charlotte energy. 735 00:33:35,900 --> 00:33:37,400 S2: You just so rude. 736 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,110 S1: To be fair, I thought the same thing. So you 737 00:33:39,110 --> 00:33:40,430 S1: can just explain it for me. I mean. 738 00:33:40,430 --> 00:33:42,890 S3: Charlotte famously told Miranda not to be with Steve because 739 00:33:42,890 --> 00:33:45,830 S3: he was just a bartender, which is huge male areas. 740 00:33:45,830 --> 00:33:48,950 S3: You have basically bullied me for not knowing anything about Shakespeare, 741 00:33:48,950 --> 00:33:50,780 S3: which I think those two. There's a lot of parallels. 742 00:33:50,780 --> 00:33:52,520 S2: Bartenders do know things about Shakespeare. 743 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,460 S3: So yeah, you're a Charlotte with maybe a touch of Carrie, 744 00:33:55,460 --> 00:34:02,750 S3: but like, yeah, sadly, Big Charlotte energy. Becky Oseman Now look, Oseman, 745 00:34:02,750 --> 00:34:05,680 S3: I think you're a cross between Shay and Samantha. Whoa! 746 00:34:06,500 --> 00:34:09,919 S3: Because I think Shay, someone that's, like, always in control, 747 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:11,630 S3: but she's a bit noisy, which I think sums you 748 00:34:11,630 --> 00:34:13,640 S3: up really well. But then you have the loose cannon 749 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:14,690 S3: vibes of Samantha. 750 00:34:14,690 --> 00:34:16,300 S1: That's actually not as mean as I. I thought that 751 00:34:16,300 --> 00:34:18,219 S1: was going to go. And my housemate, in fact, last 752 00:34:18,219 --> 00:34:20,560 S1: night also described me as a Samantha. But he went 753 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,420 S1: out of his way to say, not because you're having 754 00:34:22,420 --> 00:34:25,090 S1: heaps of fun sex, but just because you've got like 755 00:34:25,090 --> 00:34:27,200 S1: great stories to tell people at brunch. 756 00:34:27,219 --> 00:34:29,200 S3: Yeah, exactly. But I also think Shae would be like 757 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:30,640 S3: a fun brunch partner, so I think you were like, 758 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:32,049 S3: an amalgamation of those two. 759 00:34:32,170 --> 00:34:33,730 S1: Nice one. Okay, Mel, take it. 760 00:34:33,730 --> 00:34:36,190 S2: Away. Firstly, I'm not happy with my characterization. 761 00:34:36,310 --> 00:34:37,600 S3: And that is such a Charlotte thing. 762 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:41,230 S2: I don't really feel. I don't really feel very seen here. 763 00:34:41,230 --> 00:34:44,469 S2: But anyway, Thomas, I think you're actually Sima, the real 764 00:34:44,469 --> 00:34:47,620 S2: estate broker. That's because you are like always getting your 765 00:34:47,620 --> 00:34:49,390 S2: hair done. I feel like you. 766 00:34:49,390 --> 00:34:50,200 S3: Got a haircut. 767 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,410 S2: Every other week with a new haircut. And also you're 768 00:34:53,410 --> 00:34:56,290 S2: always borrowing from Channel and Ian's wardrobe and she has 769 00:34:56,290 --> 00:34:58,020 S2: a lot of fantastic house doing that. 770 00:34:58,150 --> 00:34:58,989 S1: He's doing that. 771 00:34:59,110 --> 00:35:01,090 S2: Yeah. I feel like you're a big seem I'm a 772 00:35:01,090 --> 00:35:04,690 S2: glamour girl vibe. Okay. Oh, we're Osman. I think you're 773 00:35:04,690 --> 00:35:09,610 S2: maybe a Franklin. You're a great podcast producer. Well, also, 774 00:35:09,610 --> 00:35:12,430 S2: but mainly because of this. He doesn't mind some strong 775 00:35:12,430 --> 00:35:16,210 S2: fashion statements like he has that necklace he wears all 776 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,130 S2: the time. Like he's wearing it in bed, he's wearing 777 00:35:18,130 --> 00:35:20,620 S2: it out. And that's a bit like. That's your cardigan, right? 778 00:35:20,620 --> 00:35:22,120 S2: That's your Franklin necklace. 779 00:35:22,210 --> 00:35:23,850 S3: So he knows who Megan Thee stallion is. 780 00:35:23,890 --> 00:35:28,420 S1: So that was a very cringey exchange between the two. 781 00:35:28,540 --> 00:35:30,879 S3: Also, when she says, Megan, thee end. That makes no. 782 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,899 S1: Sense. Makes no sense. Yeah. Mel, I hate to say 783 00:35:34,900 --> 00:35:38,610 S1: I agree with you. Agree with Thomas that Charlotte Energy. 784 00:35:38,620 --> 00:35:40,919 S1: I did. I did sort of have a Charlotte Miranda 785 00:35:40,989 --> 00:35:42,430 S1: thing there. I've got to say. 786 00:35:42,430 --> 00:35:45,070 S2: Thank you. I'll take I'll take the old Miranda. 787 00:35:45,070 --> 00:35:47,710 S3: Not numerous just for the listeners. Mel is currently clutching 788 00:35:47,710 --> 00:35:49,270 S3: her pearls that she wears every day. So. 789 00:35:49,510 --> 00:35:52,270 S1: And then Thomas, this one again also took me like 790 00:35:52,270 --> 00:35:55,960 S1: less than 30s maybe about 10s You're the most Carrie 791 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,290 S1: person I've ever interacted with. You have a literal advice 792 00:35:59,290 --> 00:36:01,930 S1: column every week in The Sun Herald. I've let me 793 00:36:01,930 --> 00:36:04,960 S1: read out some, some some headlines from from Thomas's most 794 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:06,339 S1: recent fact. And you tell me that these are not 795 00:36:06,340 --> 00:36:09,549 S1: the most Carrie things you've ever heard. Astrology may be silly, 796 00:36:09,550 --> 00:36:13,180 S1: but my faults were written in the stars. The Family 797 00:36:13,180 --> 00:36:16,960 S1: WhatsApp group is the strangest place on the Internet. Many 798 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,779 S1: things should be off the table at 79 and becoming 799 00:36:19,780 --> 00:36:22,570 S1: apparent is on top of the list. That is like, 800 00:36:22,780 --> 00:36:25,210 S1: are you modeling your life and career of Carrie? 801 00:36:25,750 --> 00:36:27,340 S3: Well, it's funny you said, because I actually couldn't help 802 00:36:27,340 --> 00:36:31,030 S3: but wonder that. No, I think you're right. I wrote 803 00:36:31,030 --> 00:36:32,920 S3: here in my notes, I think I am a Carrie, 804 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,560 S3: obviously an advice columnist. I'm a bit annoying sometimes. I'm 805 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,300 S3: a bad friend, but everyone still wants me around. 806 00:36:37,300 --> 00:36:39,669 S2: Oh, also, I have to say, this morning we were 807 00:36:39,670 --> 00:36:43,779 S2: looking up Carrie's New York Times jumper sweatshirt situation to 808 00:36:43,780 --> 00:36:45,940 S2: see if we could buy one. We could not, but 809 00:36:46,330 --> 00:36:47,920 S2: yeah I could see rocking that. 810 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,660 S1: Yeah. The the last thing I want to ask you 811 00:36:49,660 --> 00:36:51,879 S1: guys about this show you both are a bit more 812 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,279 S1: offered than I am, but we know that there's some 813 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:58,900 S1: stuff coming up. We know that Aidan is making a return. 814 00:36:58,900 --> 00:37:02,610 S1: We know that Samantha is making like a brief cameo. 815 00:37:02,620 --> 00:37:04,480 S1: Are you guys going to stick with it or are 816 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,250 S1: you just like, there's more important things to do with 817 00:37:06,250 --> 00:37:08,470 S1: your life than watch this show? 818 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,989 S3: Yeah, I really thought I would stick with it. I 819 00:37:10,989 --> 00:37:13,180 S3: don't know if I will, but I will come back 820 00:37:13,180 --> 00:37:14,890 S3: to check out the return of Aidan, and I will 821 00:37:14,890 --> 00:37:17,500 S3: obviously watch the finale to see Samantha return to Sex 822 00:37:17,500 --> 00:37:20,980 S3: in the City. I really don't like Aidan. I think 823 00:37:20,980 --> 00:37:23,230 S3: he's one of the worst characters on the show. But 824 00:37:23,469 --> 00:37:25,870 S3: given he is a link back to the original, I'll 825 00:37:25,870 --> 00:37:27,879 S3: come in to see how he goes. But yeah, I 826 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,130 S3: don't think I'm going to watch this season like I 827 00:37:30,130 --> 00:37:30,790 S3: did the first. 828 00:37:30,790 --> 00:37:33,370 S2: Yeah, I think I'll keep an eye on it for 829 00:37:33,370 --> 00:37:35,890 S2: kind of the talking points and to see if it 830 00:37:35,890 --> 00:37:38,680 S2: does do anything particularly interesting. But ideally I'd save it 831 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,390 S2: all for a sick day when I could enjoy it 832 00:37:40,390 --> 00:37:41,410 S2: more like you was. 833 00:37:41,620 --> 00:37:44,230 S1: Yeah, I think. I don't know if I'll watch it religiously, 834 00:37:44,230 --> 00:37:46,900 S1: but I think if I'm cooking dinner on a Thursday 835 00:37:46,900 --> 00:37:48,670 S1: when this comes out, it's like a nice show to 836 00:37:48,670 --> 00:37:50,049 S1: have on in the background. It's not one of these 837 00:37:50,050 --> 00:37:52,390 S1: shows where you need to listen to every single line 838 00:37:52,390 --> 00:37:54,489 S1: to make sense of what's going on. It is a 839 00:37:54,489 --> 00:37:57,370 S1: comfortable sort of presence to have in the lounge room. 840 00:37:57,820 --> 00:37:59,860 S2: Yeah. Also, if you miss a line, they'll say it 841 00:37:59,860 --> 00:38:02,620 S2: again in a different way, like two minutes later for 842 00:38:02,620 --> 00:38:03,940 S2: the entire episode. 843 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,970 S1: Okay. So from one kind of mid show to the 844 00:38:16,969 --> 00:38:20,419 S1: worst show on TV right now, let's let's check in 845 00:38:20,420 --> 00:38:25,280 S1: on our friend. The Idol episode three aired this week 846 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:29,630 S1: where halfway through the season I got to say this 847 00:38:29,630 --> 00:38:32,870 S1: may have reached a new depth of of awfulness that 848 00:38:32,870 --> 00:38:36,620 S1: I did not know this show could reach. I did 849 00:38:36,620 --> 00:38:39,440 S1: not like this episode at all. Mel, we haven't checked 850 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:43,130 S1: in with you since the premiere. How are you feeling 851 00:38:43,130 --> 00:38:45,739 S1: about the Idol and in particular episode three? 852 00:38:46,630 --> 00:38:48,940 S2: Yeah. To me, I kind of still feel the same 853 00:38:48,940 --> 00:38:50,770 S2: way I did in the first episode in terms of 854 00:38:50,770 --> 00:38:53,919 S2: the characters I like are her entourage. I feel like 855 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,890 S2: there are about five moments of great TV, 20 minutes 856 00:38:56,890 --> 00:39:00,460 S2: of average TV, and then 20 minutes of, Whoa, that's 857 00:39:00,460 --> 00:39:05,110 S2: awful TV. Yes. I thought the cult moved in so 858 00:39:05,110 --> 00:39:06,940 S2: fast in this episode. 859 00:39:06,940 --> 00:39:08,380 S1: And who is the guy? The guy with the shaved 860 00:39:08,380 --> 00:39:09,910 S1: head and the tattoos? He just kind of pops up 861 00:39:09,910 --> 00:39:10,570 S1: out of nowhere. 862 00:39:10,690 --> 00:39:13,270 S2: Yeah, they were in there. That just happened so fast. 863 00:39:13,270 --> 00:39:16,989 S2: There was a lot of sexiness that felt so weird 864 00:39:16,989 --> 00:39:18,850 S2: to me. Like when he was going down on her 865 00:39:18,850 --> 00:39:21,550 S2: in the car in the convertible, and then he locks 866 00:39:21,550 --> 00:39:25,030 S2: eyes with them, layer the the assistant and it's in 867 00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:28,030 S2: slow motion. It just it made no sense to me. 868 00:39:28,030 --> 00:39:31,390 S2: And there was still so many moments of like, ludicrous 869 00:39:31,390 --> 00:39:32,710 S2: kind of action in it. 870 00:39:32,710 --> 00:39:34,570 S3: I thought even even. Whedon That was when they cut 871 00:39:34,570 --> 00:39:36,069 S3: back to them at the pool and he's just like 872 00:39:36,070 --> 00:39:38,200 S3: going down on her again. It's just like. 873 00:39:38,500 --> 00:39:40,930 S2: All over the place. Yeah. I will say, though, I 874 00:39:40,930 --> 00:39:43,810 S2: was impressed by the actual I never thought I'd say this. 875 00:39:43,810 --> 00:39:47,920 S2: The restraint of Sam Levinson in not showing the hairbrush 876 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,819 S2: beating scene like I was like, he's really pulled back there. 877 00:39:52,390 --> 00:39:55,270 S1: Yeah, that was that was a tough watch. That whole 878 00:39:55,270 --> 00:39:57,009 S1: kind of laid up to it. Thomas, what did you 879 00:39:57,010 --> 00:39:57,969 S1: make of this episode? 880 00:39:58,690 --> 00:40:01,810 S3: Yeah. I mean, I'm almost kind of getting bored of, like, 881 00:40:01,810 --> 00:40:04,180 S3: the idol. I love the music. I mean, absolutely smashing 882 00:40:04,180 --> 00:40:07,000 S3: the soundtrack. But I did think the one thing I 883 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,280 S3: would say is I actually thought this episode contained the 884 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,320 S3: single best scene of the series, which was the scene 885 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,710 S3: at the dinner table. Like the dialogue between Tedros and 886 00:40:14,710 --> 00:40:18,799 S3: Jocelyn as he kind of like slowly, you know. Bullied 887 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,440 S3: her into revealing this abuse at the hands of her mother. 888 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,110 S3: I thought that was actually really uncomfortable and in a 889 00:40:24,110 --> 00:40:26,870 S3: good way viewing. I thought like it was a very 890 00:40:26,870 --> 00:40:30,440 S3: tense scene. He kept the tension there. Well, and it 891 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,630 S3: really kind of revealed a bit more of Tedros and 892 00:40:32,630 --> 00:40:34,400 S3: just how awful he is that I thought it was 893 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,280 S3: probably the strongest scene on screen that we've we've had. 894 00:40:37,580 --> 00:40:41,030 S3: But then again, it just goes into weird, weird territory. 895 00:40:41,030 --> 00:40:43,310 S3: And yeah, we're all just kind of like shocked and 896 00:40:43,310 --> 00:40:44,900 S3: everyone's getting like. 897 00:40:45,110 --> 00:40:47,899 S2: Also I don't really get Jocelyn's character. Like, I love 898 00:40:47,900 --> 00:40:50,089 S2: when she fights back against him and she's like, I've 899 00:40:50,090 --> 00:40:52,340 S2: been in the music industry longer. I know I love 900 00:40:52,340 --> 00:40:54,080 S2: when she fights back against him, but then sometimes she 901 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,680 S2: just is so submissive. Like when she fired the the 902 00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,890 S2: chef who was examining her. A Domino's muscle. 903 00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:01,850 S3: Hotter than Tedros. 904 00:41:01,850 --> 00:41:05,299 S2: Yeah. To me, there's no consistency in that character and 905 00:41:05,300 --> 00:41:08,180 S2: her relationship and response to him. Sometimes she's fighting back. 906 00:41:08,180 --> 00:41:11,299 S2: Other times she's not questioning the wildest of ideas. 907 00:41:11,300 --> 00:41:13,910 S1: Yeah. One thing like I've been reading some of the 908 00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:16,610 S1: interviews at the weekend has been doing and he's trying 909 00:41:16,610 --> 00:41:19,730 S1: very hard to convince us that this is all ironic 910 00:41:19,730 --> 00:41:21,860 S1: and it's very funny. And you're not supposed to think 911 00:41:21,860 --> 00:41:24,739 S1: that the weekend's character is cool or compelling, which doesn't 912 00:41:24,739 --> 00:41:27,080 S1: make any sense if he's able to like, hoodwink all 913 00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,690 S1: of these people. But then you get these weird moments 914 00:41:29,690 --> 00:41:31,670 S1: where when they're at the Valentino stood together and he 915 00:41:31,670 --> 00:41:34,850 S1: does like the Richard Gere reference, like Giovanni anything as 916 00:41:34,850 --> 00:41:36,560 S1: I think he says, as sexy as her. And Richard 917 00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,560 S1: Gere famously says in pretty much everything is as pretty 918 00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,650 S1: as her. And I'm like, okay, I guess they are 919 00:41:42,650 --> 00:41:48,650 S1: nodding to these 90s sexy kind of films. But I'm 920 00:41:48,650 --> 00:41:51,170 S1: now of the view that they don't that they maybe 921 00:41:51,170 --> 00:41:53,450 S1: they thought they were doing something but they're not good 922 00:41:53,450 --> 00:41:55,700 S1: enough to be able to have pulled it off. And 923 00:41:55,700 --> 00:41:57,290 S1: that's where I think the show is falling apart. 924 00:41:57,290 --> 00:42:00,350 S2: Yeah, I agree. They thought they were making fatal attraction 925 00:42:00,350 --> 00:42:04,040 S2: for a new generation, and I don't think those references 926 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,140 S2: are obvious enough, even though you can see them peeping 927 00:42:06,140 --> 00:42:09,620 S2: through in that weird Pretty Woman Pygmalion scene or in 928 00:42:09,620 --> 00:42:12,830 S2: the palm trees going by in slow motion. But it's 929 00:42:12,830 --> 00:42:13,910 S2: not done well. 930 00:42:13,910 --> 00:42:15,350 S3: No, and that's what I think. It's so funny. Like 931 00:42:15,350 --> 00:42:17,779 S3: we talked about this in the very first episode, like 932 00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,200 S3: HBO famously did not make any of the cast really 933 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,350 S3: available for interviews before this show. Now, like, I'm pretty 934 00:42:24,350 --> 00:42:26,180 S3: sure my local paper has spoken to the weekend like 935 00:42:26,180 --> 00:42:29,390 S3: he's everywhere doing every interview on this, like massive offensive 936 00:42:29,390 --> 00:42:31,100 S3: to be like, you guys don't get it. And it's like, No, man, 937 00:42:31,100 --> 00:42:33,140 S3: we do get it. You're just not doing that very 938 00:42:33,140 --> 00:42:36,140 S3: well and like, that's on you. It's not like we're 939 00:42:36,140 --> 00:42:38,450 S3: all kind of like, not in on the joke or 940 00:42:38,450 --> 00:42:40,700 S3: we're not getting how highbrow this all is, but it's 941 00:42:40,700 --> 00:42:44,120 S3: just not landing that well. Yeah, I find that element 942 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,970 S3: of things like really annoying because I keep reading interview 943 00:42:46,969 --> 00:42:49,700 S3: after interview of him trying to be like, justify the 944 00:42:49,700 --> 00:42:53,299 S3: show's existence. Yeah, I don't really I don't really know 945 00:42:53,300 --> 00:42:56,029 S3: what I mean. I think it is what two episodes left. 946 00:42:56,030 --> 00:42:58,020 S3: It was originally meant to be maybe six. Like someone 947 00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,319 S3: has been like, Let's just fucking hard rap on this. 948 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,000 S2: Yeah. How do you reckon they're going to tie it up? 949 00:43:02,300 --> 00:43:03,260 S3: Someone will be tied up. 950 00:43:03,860 --> 00:43:06,950 S1: Mel Also, congratulations for sneaking in a George Bernard Shaw 951 00:43:06,950 --> 00:43:08,450 S1: reference into our conversation. 952 00:43:09,140 --> 00:43:09,980 S3: I didn't want to mention it. 953 00:43:10,670 --> 00:43:10,990 S2: Yeah. 954 00:43:12,230 --> 00:43:17,270 S1: Before we wrap this episode, Thomas, we spoke before about 955 00:43:17,270 --> 00:43:20,540 S1: The Bear, one of our favorite shows of the last 956 00:43:20,540 --> 00:43:23,989 S1: 12 months, coming back for season two. The trailer dropped. 957 00:43:23,989 --> 00:43:26,120 S1: We're kind of excited, a little bit apprehensive about what 958 00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:29,360 S1: it might mean. And you've got some news for us 959 00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,149 S1: in terms of when it will hit screens in Australia. 960 00:43:32,150 --> 00:43:32,930 S1: What's going on? 961 00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,510 S2: Can you also please clarify that this is really a 962 00:43:35,510 --> 00:43:38,930 S2: correction and amendment for Thomas telling us a few episodes 963 00:43:38,930 --> 00:43:40,100 S2: ago when it would hit. 964 00:43:40,150 --> 00:43:42,890 S3: Earth, that was very much I owned that. That was 965 00:43:42,890 --> 00:43:45,890 S3: my prediction. And as anyone who listened to this podcast knows, 966 00:43:45,890 --> 00:43:48,830 S3: my predictions are often wrong. So yes, the bear. So 967 00:43:48,830 --> 00:43:51,890 S3: the Bear tomorrow will premiere in the States, but we 968 00:43:51,890 --> 00:43:54,770 S3: will not get it here until 19th of July on 969 00:43:54,770 --> 00:43:57,620 S3: Disney Plus. So we're essentially getting the show a full 970 00:43:57,620 --> 00:44:00,740 S3: month later. All ten episodes of the series will drop 971 00:44:00,739 --> 00:44:04,250 S3: it once. Like, to be honest, the response online has 972 00:44:04,250 --> 00:44:09,080 S3: been very displeased. Like we went through this last season. 973 00:44:09,410 --> 00:44:11,000 S3: We got the show much later than the states, like 974 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:12,649 S3: six months or something at least. I guess it's only 975 00:44:12,650 --> 00:44:14,569 S3: a month this time. But it seems like very much 976 00:44:14,570 --> 00:44:16,130 S3: a show that we should be getting like day for 977 00:44:16,130 --> 00:44:18,530 S3: day with the States, especially when it's a full drop, 978 00:44:18,530 --> 00:44:21,470 S3: like binge kind of show. I spoke to Disney and 979 00:44:21,469 --> 00:44:24,590 S3: their response was that we don't issue statements on the 980 00:44:24,590 --> 00:44:26,780 S3: release dates of shows. But yeah, it's strangely like same 981 00:44:26,780 --> 00:44:28,130 S3: thing in the UK. The UK is getting it the 982 00:44:28,130 --> 00:44:30,529 S3: same day as us, so everyone will watch it in 983 00:44:30,530 --> 00:44:32,870 S3: America and talk about it. And you know, as is 984 00:44:32,870 --> 00:44:35,180 S3: the case, everyone over here will read all the content 985 00:44:35,180 --> 00:44:38,360 S3: about the show from American websites like Vulture and stuff, 986 00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,060 S3: and then we have to just sit and wait. Yeah. 987 00:44:41,060 --> 00:44:44,120 S3: So sadly, that's the latest on the bear. 988 00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:48,560 S1: That is sad news and also confusing news because it's like, 989 00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,319 S1: who wins from that? I feel like this era of 990 00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,380 S1: the streaming wars is so intense and Tom is correct 991 00:44:54,380 --> 00:44:56,569 S1: me if I'm wrong, I'm trying to get like the 992 00:44:56,570 --> 00:44:59,840 S1: production companies and the distributors right on this. In the US, 993 00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:03,050 S1: The Bear is a show made by Fox, which used 994 00:45:03,050 --> 00:45:06,259 S1: to be owned by 20th Century Fox, which then got 995 00:45:06,260 --> 00:45:09,410 S1: bought by Disney. But it's part of Hulu, which is 996 00:45:09,410 --> 00:45:12,920 S1: a separate streamer in the US. In Australia, Hulu doesn't exist. 997 00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,160 S1: It's part of the Disney Plus streaming platform. So it's 998 00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,509 S1: not like this show is. Airing somewhere else in Australia first. 999 00:45:19,690 --> 00:45:22,689 S1: It's just it might be that Disney has too much 1000 00:45:22,690 --> 00:45:25,239 S1: content that they're rolling out, so they think maybe for 1001 00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,120 S1: marketing reasons. But to me the best marketing is everyone 1002 00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,850 S1: in America talking about the show as it airs and 1003 00:45:30,850 --> 00:45:32,680 S1: all of us getting FOMO on wanting to watch it. 1004 00:45:33,190 --> 00:45:35,350 S2: Correct. I think it must be a rights thing because 1005 00:45:35,350 --> 00:45:39,609 S2: it's all non-US territories are getting it later. Unless maybe 1006 00:45:39,610 --> 00:45:42,040 S2: you could say the marketing, the pre marketing will make 1007 00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,070 S2: it have a bigger impact here. Everyone will get excited. 1008 00:45:45,070 --> 00:45:48,129 S2: They'll get two bangs at the to to yeah, two 1009 00:45:48,130 --> 00:45:50,950 S2: bites at the cherry with the US hype and then 1010 00:45:50,950 --> 00:45:53,230 S2: they'll have Australia hype. So maybe when you say. 1011 00:45:53,350 --> 00:45:54,880 S3: The right thing what do you mean? 1012 00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,089 S2: Well I think just because of the complicated business deals 1013 00:45:58,090 --> 00:46:01,230 S2: I watch succession. They're all kind. Well. 1014 00:46:01,780 --> 00:46:03,280 S3: They don't have the rights until because it's not. 1015 00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:07,630 S2: A it's not a Disney Australia thing. It's obviously Well, 1016 00:46:07,630 --> 00:46:09,400 S2: I mean, I don't know. But. Oh. 1017 00:46:10,270 --> 00:46:10,600 S3: Yes. 1018 00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:10,810 S2: No. 1019 00:46:11,500 --> 00:46:12,250 S3: For me, you. 1020 00:46:12,250 --> 00:46:14,890 S2: Kind of implied that it was maybe Disney Australia making 1021 00:46:14,890 --> 00:46:16,870 S2: the choice, but I don't think it's Disney Australia. I 1022 00:46:16,870 --> 00:46:20,109 S2: think it must be the, the kind of the Who 1023 00:46:20,110 --> 00:46:21,729 S2: is it? Hulu who makes it? Yeah, I think maybe. 1024 00:46:21,730 --> 00:46:23,290 S3: What? Yeah, I think maybe what I was saying is right. 1025 00:46:23,290 --> 00:46:24,819 S3: Maybe it is like a thing where they're like, we've 1026 00:46:24,820 --> 00:46:29,020 S3: got too much content out on this on these platforms. 1027 00:46:29,020 --> 00:46:31,450 S3: And so like, we don't want to burn the show. 1028 00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:35,320 S1: Yeah, because Secret Invasion, which is the big Marvel show, 1029 00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,919 S1: is dropping I think this week everywhere. And it may 1030 00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,040 S1: be that, you know, the the Disney team think that 1031 00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:43,989 S1: well that's enough for us to take care of in 1032 00:46:43,989 --> 00:46:46,509 S1: the US it's all being done by FX on Hulu. 1033 00:46:46,510 --> 00:46:48,160 S1: I mean this stuff is a mess. I think that 1034 00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,560 S1: is the main takeaway is we live in this era 1035 00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:54,160 S1: where there's so many streamers, there's so much complexity. The 1036 00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,230 S1: one benefit is there's heaps of shows. We all want 1037 00:46:56,230 --> 00:46:58,330 S1: to watch them together. My prediction is that there will 1038 00:46:58,330 --> 00:47:01,210 S1: be an enormous amount of piracy as a result of this. 1039 00:47:01,210 --> 00:47:03,250 S2: I completely agree. I hate it when it comes with 1040 00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:05,800 S2: film as well. And books like it makes me feel 1041 00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,859 S2: like so antipodean. Why? What world are we in that 1042 00:47:08,860 --> 00:47:09,280 S2: we're getting it? 1043 00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:13,150 S3: So Bear has really like shown that, you know audiences 1044 00:47:13,150 --> 00:47:14,830 S3: a don't get enough like they don't have you know 1045 00:47:14,860 --> 00:47:16,570 S3: they're not getting the emails from Disney and stuff that 1046 00:47:16,570 --> 00:47:18,969 S3: let us know and have any context. So like I 1047 00:47:18,969 --> 00:47:22,810 S3: think that audiences are frustrated but don't have enough knowledge 1048 00:47:22,810 --> 00:47:25,330 S3: and it's expectation now that we're all watching the same 1049 00:47:25,330 --> 00:47:27,370 S3: things at the same time. So it's it's very archaic. 1050 00:47:27,370 --> 00:47:28,720 S3: But I would just say just to wrap it up, 1051 00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,060 S3: if it is any consolation and helps you kind of 1052 00:47:31,060 --> 00:47:34,120 S3: like wait it out for the next month, this early reviews. 1053 00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:37,870 S3: The show has 100% on Rotten Tomatoes. It is getting 1054 00:47:37,870 --> 00:47:42,070 S3: absolutely critically acclaimed. Bob Odenkirk has joined the cast. Molly 1055 00:47:42,070 --> 00:47:44,650 S3: Gordon from Winning Time has joined the cast, and the 1056 00:47:44,650 --> 00:47:48,430 S3: episode four is directed by Ramy Youssef, and Will Poulter 1057 00:47:48,430 --> 00:47:50,500 S3: stars in that episode. So look, there's a lot to 1058 00:47:50,500 --> 00:47:51,050 S3: look forward to. 1059 00:47:51,070 --> 00:47:52,840 S1: Well, you're making me want to pirate that as well. 1060 00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:53,860 S1: Great stuff. Yeah. 1061 00:47:54,410 --> 00:47:55,480 S2: Wait for Disney. 1062 00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,299 S3: You can. I wish you could. If you can wait 1063 00:47:58,300 --> 00:47:59,380 S3: the next month, I think there will be a lot 1064 00:47:59,380 --> 00:48:02,830 S3: to look forward to. But yeah. The Bear Disney+, July 19th. Great. 1065 00:48:02,830 --> 00:48:05,710 S1: Looking forward to finally watching it and talking about it 1066 00:48:05,710 --> 00:48:08,800 S1: on the show with you guys. Melanie Thomas, thanks so much. 1067 00:48:09,100 --> 00:48:10,120 S2: Thanks for having me. 1068 00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:11,259 S3: Megan, at the end. 1069 00:48:15,820 --> 00:48:18,549 S1: This episode of The Drop was produced by Kai Wang. 1070 00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,580 S1: If you enjoyed listening to today's episode of The Drop, 1071 00:48:21,580 --> 00:48:23,900 S1: make sure to follow us in your favorite podcast app. 1072 00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,380 S1: Leave us a review or better yet, share it with 1073 00:48:26,380 --> 00:48:29,469 S1: a friend. I'm Osman Farooqui. See you next week.