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Speaker 2: In just a moment, Caroline Spencer will join us the
Speaker 2: Orders of General. She's run the ruler under delays in
Speaker 2: the IT programs across the state government, and in particular,
Speaker 2: I think our listeners will be interested in this the
Speaker 2: two of the IT portals that are under fire, the
Speaker 2: Firearms Register and also the smart writer conversion over to
Speaker 2: being able to use their credit cards. And I think
Speaker 2: our listeners will be interested in that. The figures aren't great.
Speaker 2: There have been delays and have been budget blowouts. We'll
Speaker 2: speak to Caroline Spencer in the studio in just a moment.
Speaker 2: It is National Police Legacy Day, so Commissioner Cole Blanche
Speaker 2: will join us to talk policing matters, but also to
Speaker 2: talk about that very important day. How police legacy looks
Speaker 2: after the families of those who've lost someone lost a
Speaker 2: family member, a police officer, male or female in the
Speaker 2: line of active service. Love to hear from you on
Speaker 2: all of those One double three eight two is the
Speaker 2: phone number. I'll have a yes no question for you
Speaker 2: in just a moment before we do that. You may
Speaker 2: have heard any of our news. Happened around about an
Speaker 2: hour ago, Anthony Albanezi was meeting with Donald Trump at
Speaker 2: the G seven summit. Not anymore, not anymore, thanks Lynchi.
Speaker 2: So not happening anymore. That is no longer. So Donald Trump,
Speaker 2: the commander in chief, the US President, is leaving the
Speaker 2: G seven summits to attend to matters involving the Middle
Speaker 2: East crisis. So that's a legitimate reason to leave the
Speaker 2: G seven, isn't it for the commander in chief? So
Speaker 2: mister Alberanzi and Donald Trump will not be meeting up
Speaker 2: the G seven and the court albow a little bit
Speaker 2: by surprise. But it's a pretty legit reason, isn't it.
Speaker 2: One double three A to eighty two. I have a
Speaker 2: yes no question for you. Right, let's clear this up once.
Speaker 3: And for all.
Speaker 2: Have vapes won the war on vapes. There's been a
Speaker 2: war on vapes, but a vapes won it. Has the
Speaker 2: war been won? And we just didn't even realize. So
Speaker 2: you may have heard on Brecky this morning, Erindale, the
Speaker 2: much celebrated federal policy operator, over twenty five years of
Speaker 2: experience in the public sector, ran some COVID operations. All
Speaker 2: of that. She is not being renewed as the National
Speaker 2: Vape Commissioner, So she's not being renewed. So I wanted
Speaker 2: to ask that question today given the you know, we
Speaker 2: cover the issue of vapes and electronics cigarettes all the
Speaker 2: time on the program, and when you think about it,
Speaker 2: when the number of vapes you see in public, you
Speaker 2: see people smoking them in cars, you see flights coming
Speaker 2: back from the pilbra and everyone's vaping when they get
Speaker 2: off the plane. People are buying them online, they're buying
Speaker 2: them a convenience stores. We all know where to buy them.
Speaker 2: So our question today, have vapes won the war on vapes? Yes?
Speaker 2: Or no? I reckon they have. I reckon. We can't
Speaker 2: stop it, we can't police it, we can't enforce it.
Speaker 2: So I went back to the Act today and had
Speaker 2: a little look online vapes can only be legally supplied
Speaker 2: in WA through a registered pharmacy. Well, clearly that's not
Speaker 2: the case, right, Well, people can buy them illegally. This
Speaker 2: includes substances, accessories, and devices. Non pharmacy retailers such as
Speaker 2: the back of this. Vape shops and convenience stores cannot
Speaker 2: sell any type of vaping product. Well, that's just not enforced,
Speaker 2: regulated or police, is it. We all know where you
Speaker 2: can go and buy vapes, even though I do and
Speaker 2: I don't vape. So a question today, yes or no?
Speaker 2: Have vapes won the war on vapes? In other words,
Speaker 2: it's been it's the vapes of one, the retailer, the
Speaker 2: illegal retailers of one. We can't don't seem to be
Speaker 2: able to stop it. Don't seem to be able to
Speaker 2: stop them being imported, We don't seem to be able
Speaker 2: to stop them being sold. I'd love to hear from
Speaker 2: you today. One double three, A two. We'll keep a
Speaker 2: poll throughout the course of the program today and through
Speaker 2: until one o'clock. Have vapes won the war on vapes? Yes,
Speaker 2: as a one and the nose one. We'll keep a
Speaker 2: tally going right through until one o'clock today. Now, we
Speaker 2: do have cole Blanche in a little bit later side.
Speaker 2: We'll ask him. There's a lot of policing issues around
Speaker 2: at the moment, including National Legacy Day, and they're going
Speaker 2: to tell us about what that. We're areas where they
Speaker 2: are ramping up. But you know, I've never seen anyone,
Speaker 2: you know, be ping in a vape shop of retailer
Speaker 2: or someone buying them. You know, we all we pretty
Speaker 2: much all know someone who vapes and where they buy them,
Speaker 2: don't we. We've lost the war, and I reckon Ben
Speaker 2: from Pierre Awards, Yes, the vapes will win. The cats
Speaker 2: out of the bag, Alien says, good morning, Simon is
Speaker 2: vapes of the victors will and truly beating the half
Speaker 2: baked dandy vaping legislation. I wonder how many successful prosecutions
Speaker 2: there have been in this area. I reckon none. Aileen,
Speaker 2: thank you Bowie. They are everywhere. Absolutely, vapes are won
Speaker 2: the battle on vopes. A big yes for me. They
Speaker 2: are everywhere, so that's our yes. No poll today. Have
Speaker 2: vapes won the war on vapes? I reckon they have.
Speaker 2: The illegal selling networks, retailing networks have won the day.
Speaker 2: I reckon, We'll take a break. Love to hear from me.
Speaker 2: One double three, ay two. You can call the program,
Speaker 2: or if you want to text in a response on
Speaker 2: the vapes you can zero four eight seven, triple nine
Speaker 2: eighty two. We will take a break. Caroline Spence to
Speaker 2: the order to general join me in the studio. She
Speaker 2: has run the ruler under it delays and IT budget
Speaker 2: blowouts in the state government and some of these around
Speaker 2: the transport system and Metronet. But I think the ones
Speaker 2: that our listeners will be interested in is the delays
Speaker 2: and the budget blowouts on the Firearm Registry portal of
Speaker 2: of course, that's been in the news for around about
Speaker 2: a year or so. And the other one is the
Speaker 2: conversion of Smart Writer. That's an eight year project and
Speaker 2: we still don't know when it's going to be finished.
Speaker 2: We'll talk to Caroline in just a second the program,
Speaker 2: Yes or No? Have vapes won the War on vapes?
Speaker 2: The yeses are five, the nose are one. Back in
Speaker 2: a moment. Thanks listening in. I'm Simon Bauman here until
Speaker 2: one o'clock today. We are running a little pole today. Yes,
Speaker 2: no pole? Do you think that the vapes have won
Speaker 2: the war on vapes? Tony from Baldiver site, Tony, Yes,
Speaker 2: they've won. I don't understand why there's such an importance
Speaker 2: on vaping cigarettes in our society. Alcohol does more damage
Speaker 2: to Tony. Thank you, Tony. The generally the yeses habit,
Speaker 2: So have vapes won the war on vapes? The yeses
Speaker 2: are twenty three and the nose are a one at
Speaker 2: this stage? Why are we talking about that? Well erin Dale,
Speaker 2: who is the celebrated public policy officer who was colloquially
Speaker 2: called the Vapes Commissioner, has not been renewed. So I'm
Speaker 2: not quite sure why the FEDS were involved in all
Speaker 2: of that, but they were so happy to keep taping.
Speaker 2: Taking your responses through to the program. Caroline Spencer is
Speaker 2: the Order of General of w A and joins us
Speaker 2: in the studio now, Caroline, nice to see you, Thank
Speaker 2: you for coming in.
Speaker 4: Thank you Simon for inviting me.
Speaker 2: Now you've had a look at the I've had run
Speaker 2: why I'm calling it run the rule. You've had to
Speaker 2: look at delays in it in big projects across government.
Speaker 2: I think you looked at eight, we looked at ten.
Speaker 2: Ten looked at ten. So the ones I think our
Speaker 2: listeners will be interested in particular are delays and budget
Speaker 2: blowouts with the firearm Registry and delays and blowouts with
Speaker 2: smart Rider. Can you tell us what you found, what
Speaker 2: your people found with those two?
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, look, shall let's give a bit of an
Speaker 5: overview of the eight out of ten projects ran over
Speaker 5: cost and out of ten ran over time, and the
Speaker 5: cost for half of the projects we looked at double
Speaker 5: their cost and some of the time blowouts were as
Speaker 5: much as six and a half years.
Speaker 2: So see that seventy eight months I saw.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's six and a half years for those of
Speaker 5: us that can't divide by twelve two easily.
Speaker 2: But I ask you which one that was?
Speaker 4: That was smart Writer? Yeah, so that was smart Writer.
Speaker 2: And that's still not resolved, is it.
Speaker 5: No, Look, it's another couple of years away for delivery,
Speaker 5: or at least next year at the earliest. And look,
Speaker 5: that smart Writer upgrade is about tapping on with your
Speaker 5: credit card or your credit card in your digital wallet
Speaker 5: or debit card. And that's one of those things that
Speaker 5: you don't need to buy a ticket. You don't need
Speaker 5: to actually buy a smart oter card from a kiosk.
Speaker 5: You can if you're a visitor to w Way or
Speaker 5: to Perth your land and you can just use your
Speaker 5: credit card to jump on the airport train and come
Speaker 5: on into the city like you can in other cities.
Speaker 5: So it's an important one. That's a you know, these
Speaker 5: are important projects for customer service, for public service delivery,
Speaker 5: and you know citizens, whether they're interacting with government through
Speaker 5: you mentioned the Firearms Registry, you know they're going to
Speaker 5: experience both efficiencies sort of smoother processing as a result
Speaker 5: of these all customer experience like the smart Otter one.
Speaker 5: But there's some of those others that you know are
Speaker 5: behind the scenes, like the high capacity signaling for trains.
Speaker 5: So the Public Transport Authority has a two and a
Speaker 5: half billion dollar project to upgrade and sixteen years to
Speaker 5: upgrade all the signaling the radio communications for trains, and
Speaker 5: that's about getting trains to run, replacing technology and it's
Speaker 5: a big project. So they're important projects for our community.
Speaker 6: Ye.
Speaker 2: Why what reason has been given to you as to
Speaker 2: why smart writer has gone out to seventy eight months?
Speaker 2: Why is it seventy eight months behind and counting?
Speaker 4: Look what we.
Speaker 5: Found and it's really interesting that the projects that are
Speaker 5: most delayed with the biggest cost blow uts had the
Speaker 5: porest planning the poorest reporting and oversight, so porest governance
Speaker 5: and porest transparency. So you know, it's a really clear relationship.
Speaker 5: So projects with external oversight had better governance controls. When
Speaker 5: I say external oversight, there's a fantastic new project delivery
Speaker 5: and assurance framework that has been implemented by Central Office
Speaker 5: of Digital Government and it actually works really well. And
Speaker 5: so the projects that we're seeing without that, without that
Speaker 5: oversight are the ones that have done worse because they've
Speaker 5: been internally funded. They're sort of lost within big entities
Speaker 5: like Public Transport Authority or even police for the regional
Speaker 5: communications one for police officers.
Speaker 2: So let me ask you that question a different way.
Speaker 2: What is the PTA or whoever responsible ends the years?
Speaker 2: What are they saying? Well, do are they required to
Speaker 2: respond to your report about smart writer blowing out bose
Speaker 2: seventy eight months? And it's I think that there's a
Speaker 2: cost over run too, isn't there obviously? But they have
Speaker 2: to respond to you And what were they saying?
Speaker 5: Yeah, So when we go into ordered agencies, we ask them,
Speaker 5: we present the findings to them, and we ask them
Speaker 5: to when we make recommendations, so around improved governance planning, reporting,
Speaker 5: oversight and generally around you know, good governance practice and
Speaker 5: transparency because that encourages accountability and they agree with that. Actually,
Speaker 5: Public Transport Authority had already before we started this or
Speaker 5: done an internal audit and review and found out some
Speaker 5: of those problems and we're starting to fix them before that.
Speaker 5: But you know this is simon you. Senior decision makers
Speaker 5: within agencies and ministers do not like projects, whether they
Speaker 5: be infrastructure projects you know, like Perth Stadium or a
Speaker 5: children's hospital or any of these things. They don't like
Speaker 5: them blowing out in costs, all being delayed in time.
Speaker 5: We all want things to run smoothly. And so if
Speaker 5: you don't plan properly, you know the old expression if
Speaker 5: you fail to plan, you plan to fail. It applies
Speaker 5: for projects worth a few million dollars or a few
Speaker 5: billion dollars. And obviously there's a scale there of what's
Speaker 5: fit for purpose in those circumstances around skills and resources
Speaker 5: and scrutiny and oversight. But transparency to the public because
Speaker 5: these are public services and affect public services, the quality
Speaker 5: of public services.
Speaker 2: And is really important. And as the point you often
Speaker 2: make when we spoke about local government. Last week you
Speaker 2: spoke about value for money the pub test. This one,
Speaker 2: this one doesn't pass the pub test seventy eight months
Speaker 2: for smart rider conversion, does it.
Speaker 5: No, Look, it's taken a very long time and they're
Speaker 5: telling us that because of you know, technical and resourcing challenges.
Speaker 5: But we found very clearly that poor governance, poor planning
Speaker 5: and lack of foundational planning documents and you know, skilled
Speaker 5: and focused project teams and reporting to senior decision makers
Speaker 5: within public transport authority was really lacking in this, you know,
Speaker 5: just poorly planned from.
Speaker 4: The get go.
Speaker 2: One of our listeners, Aaron o'mell sorry, sent us a question,
Speaker 2: a good question. Why could we have not a bought
Speaker 2: purchased a smart writer kit off the shelf from another
Speaker 2: country that use it, or another city in Australia that
Speaker 2: use it.
Speaker 5: So with these and look this, I don't have all
Speaker 5: that information to hand around what is off the shelf,
Speaker 5: but these are providers who have understanding with that specific project.
Speaker 5: Is that it is a provider who has provided these
Speaker 5: systems internationally.
Speaker 2: All right, you know I'm not having got you here.
Speaker 2: I'm trying trying to find the answers we have covered
Speaker 2: the for want a bit of a term, the firearm
Speaker 2: buyback scheme. We've covered it, the politics of it. Originally
Speaker 2: it was a poor Papollia concept. Explained pretty well to
Speaker 2: one of the shows I was running here Caroline, that
Speaker 2: we're trying to take surfit guns out of the community.
Speaker 2: We're worried about the mental health of some people who
Speaker 2: own guns. They have to go through test. But time
Speaker 2: and time again we took calls on the registration portal,
Speaker 2: the electronic part of it, and as you would say,
Speaker 2: the customer service part of it being complicated, long winded,
Speaker 2: hard to understand. And I never knew whether that was
Speaker 2: just the fact that people didn't like the change, they
Speaker 2: didn't like the fact they're having to give up the guns.
Speaker 2: But it will appear according to the order the General's
Speaker 2: Office that the system has been flawed and has overrun
Speaker 2: both time and budget.
Speaker 4: Yeah, look this and this.
Speaker 5: Is an important issue, Sigment. This system is going to
Speaker 5: replace manual processes and workarounds, and we've looked at the
Speaker 5: system in the past, over the previous reports that your
Speaker 5: listeners can have a look on our website about some
Speaker 5: of the issues we found with the licensing system. Previously
Speaker 5: and so the fact they need to replace it is
Speaker 5: certainly acknowledged by police and that's why there's been resources action.
Speaker 5: But it's not due to be implemented until December next year,
Speaker 5: December twenty six, so it's not implemented yet, okay, and
Speaker 5: so that's why actually timely delivery. The original completion date
Speaker 5: was the end of last year, so it will be
Speaker 5: two years overdue and funding. The regional cost was estimated
Speaker 5: to be twenty five million, and it's going to cost
Speaker 5: the current estimated total costs. And I have to be
Speaker 5: clear these are current estimates because it change what we
Speaker 5: see in projects generally thirty five million, and some of
Speaker 5: that can be you know, technical specifications or technology is
Speaker 5: changed and there is a better solution, but that's probably
Speaker 5: the limited the sort of more limited circumstances.
Speaker 2: Less it's twenty nine percent blowout percentage. Unfunded is the
Speaker 2: term you use, isn't it?
Speaker 7: Yes?
Speaker 2: All right? And again any again not having to go
Speaker 2: at you, but is there any explanation given back from
Speaker 2: the police. We've had the officer in charge of that
Speaker 2: program and he's doing his best, but there is there
Speaker 2: an explanation from the it dudes why this is taking
Speaker 2: so long and it's costing so much.
Speaker 5: That one, it's not one of the standout ones for
Speaker 5: real clangers around really really poor governance, but obviously these
Speaker 5: things can be improved. It's you know, the silver one
Speaker 5: for us was when we looked at actually more closely,
Speaker 5: which is the regional communications within police and that was
Speaker 5: an internally funded project, so it didn't get any of
Speaker 5: that sort of external project assurance or oversight. It was
Speaker 5: sort of, I guess lost in a very big organization,
Speaker 5: the WA Police Force. But that's an important one, so
Speaker 5: that police officers in regional areas have the communications to
Speaker 5: be able to respond properly with current technology changing there.
Speaker 5: So look, it's poor planning and then lack of transparency
Speaker 5: to decision makers, whether that be senior decision makers in
Speaker 5: an agency, whether it be ministers, whether it be the parliament,
Speaker 5: whether it be journalists trying to scrutinius and get to
Speaker 5: the bottom of this, and the community is really important.
Speaker 5: So we've got dashboards on our website, elect dashboards that
Speaker 5: give an example of optimal transparency for these types of projects,
Speaker 5: so that people can clearly say, you know, what's happened
Speaker 5: to the project where it's at, what's its When was
Speaker 5: a plan to be delivered? How much was a plan
Speaker 5: to be costing us as taxpayers? But also you know,
Speaker 5: more importantly what some of the key deliverables and issues
Speaker 5: are with that project.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was probably this time last week
Speaker 2: I spoke to you in Albany. You just hand down
Speaker 2: a report on this is my word, not yours, larges
Speaker 2: by local governments in purchasing catering for functions and the like.
Speaker 2: And one of the items you detail was a fifty
Speaker 2: nine dollars bottle of wine from memory. If it's possible,
Speaker 2: how does this compare the one point six billion dollars
Speaker 2: worth of blowouts four to seventy eight months in delays
Speaker 2: compare to what local government are doing with catering. This
Speaker 2: is not good reading, is it.
Speaker 4: I think this is.
Speaker 5: An excellent observation Simon in terms of perspective on these things.
Speaker 4: This is big money, big big money.
Speaker 5: And you know the biggest cost blowout was for that
Speaker 5: train high capacity signaling project. It went from what was
Speaker 5: it? It was it's going to cost you and a half
Speaker 5: billion dollars now and I think it's increased by about
Speaker 5: one point two or one point three billion dollars. You
Speaker 5: know that's massive. Was that a problem in scoping and
Speaker 5: planning at the beginning? Yes, to some degree, technology changing,
Speaker 5: and yes there has been scoping there. But this is
Speaker 5: why it's so important to do really detail as robust
Speaker 5: planning up front as possible, so senior decision makers can
Speaker 5: make that or I guess complementing that, or an important
Speaker 5: part of that is ministers making sure that when they
Speaker 5: announce something, when they announce a new project, whether it
Speaker 5: be an infrastructure project or an IT project or anything else,
Speaker 5: that they're relying on robust costings and sometimes being a
Speaker 5: little bit patient around those before giving a final announcement
Speaker 5: because otherwise, you know, agencies are scrambling. They might know
Speaker 5: that they can't deliver it within that and then they
Speaker 5: have to deliver the bad news later and the parliament
Speaker 5: and decision makers don't have proper information around what it's
Speaker 5: going to cost when we can expect to see good
Speaker 5: outcomes with the intended outcomes from that, and also proper
Speaker 5: oversight if projects get off track.
Speaker 2: Okay, Caroline spend. So I'm getting a little bit of
Speaker 2: correspondence coming in, Caroline, and I'll try and paraphrase it
Speaker 2: and aggregate it. If I can, You're doing good job.
Speaker 2: You're staffing doing good job. Highlighting all of this. Does
Speaker 2: it make any difference this report today, Will it change anything?
Speaker 5: Well, if I can send to me to public servants
Speaker 5: use the project planning, project governance and assurance frameworks that
Speaker 5: are there from the Office of Digital Government, they are
Speaker 5: showing good results. What this all it does is in
Speaker 5: some ways is good news for the initiatives of government
Speaker 5: in recent years to improve digital capability and delivery. So
Speaker 5: the projects that use that, you know, are actually performing better.
Speaker 5: It doesn't make any difference agencies. You know, public entities
Speaker 5: are responsible for their own governance and we have been
Speaker 5: distracted in recent years. There's been a disruption in the community,
Speaker 5: and you know there has Actually this is one of
Speaker 5: the costs, if you like, in that the unintended costs
Speaker 5: that when you divert focused from core services and momentum
Speaker 5: in replacing systems and things, then time is delayed in
Speaker 5: delivery and costs can then expand blow out over that time.
Speaker 5: And so you know, there's it takes an awful lot
Speaker 5: of effort just to maintain basic government services. In terms
Speaker 5: of skills effort resources, and so anything that diverts from that,
Speaker 5: whether it be new reform initiatives, new plans, core service
Speaker 5: deliveries at risk if it's not properly planned and understanding
Speaker 5: the trade offs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, thank you very much for talking to us.
Speaker 2: I'll go back to where we started, if that's okay.
Speaker 2: The smart Rider program has overshot by seventy eight months
Speaker 2: and has blown out this budget. The signaling part for
Speaker 2: the high speed signaling on our train network is blown
Speaker 2: right out as well. And the other one is the
Speaker 2: firearm Registry, which our listeners bring us all the time
Speaker 2: about their three that you have been concerned about, and
Speaker 2: our listeners should be concerned about that's right.
Speaker 5: And seek transparency because transparency insures public entity accountability for
Speaker 5: it projects, but.
Speaker 4: For all our dollars.
Speaker 2: All right, Carolin, thank you very much for coming in.
Speaker 4: Thanks very much, Simon, nice to see you.
Speaker 2: Caroline spends to the order to general. Happy to get
Speaker 2: your cause on all of this one double three eight
Speaker 2: to eighty two. You've got a fan out there, Carolina
Speaker 2: like this lady cuts to the chase and need more
Speaker 2: like a thank you, Bernie. We'll come back in just
Speaker 2: a moment. We'll take some of your correspondents. Cole Blanche
Speaker 2: not far away either. The Police Commissioner.
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Speaker 2: Janine says, Wow, Caroline Spencer is so impressive she should
Speaker 2: be cloned. She's amazing to see. Jeanine. Thank you. Alan says,
Speaker 2: why don't you til Rita SAFIOLDI had listened to this
Speaker 2: woman about over spending. Thank you Allen. Have vapes won
Speaker 2: the war on vapes? We're taking a poll today. One
Speaker 2: of our listeners is vapes have won? And I'm a pharmacist,
Speaker 2: so have vapes won the War on vapes? Is thirty
Speaker 2: seven yeses and just a couple of nose at this stage.
Speaker 2: Every fortnight the Police Commissioner krle Blanche comes into the
Speaker 2: studio and he joins me now with a couple of guests. Commissioner,
Speaker 2: good to see you, Thank you sim much. Good morning, yeah,
Speaker 2: good morning to you. We've got a few policing issues
Speaker 2: to cover off, which we will do in the next
Speaker 2: little while. But importantly it's National Police Legacy Day. Please
Speaker 2: introduce us to our guests.
Speaker 9: Absolutely, and it is National Police Legacy Day. It's a
Speaker 9: very important day for all police officers, certainly as the patron,
Speaker 9: so all commissioners are patrons. But I have Aiden Blanchard,
Speaker 9: a new police officer whose father, Scott was in the
Speaker 9: job and died whilst he was serving. And you know
Speaker 9: it's important to have Aid in here today because he's
Speaker 9: a brand new police officer. But I think what it
Speaker 9: does say is that when you go as a legate
Speaker 9: and as a beneficiary, you get to come out the
Speaker 9: other side and join the police force. And I think
Speaker 9: this is a real recognition of the strength of what
Speaker 9: Police Legacy can do because it shows that Aiden has
Speaker 9: been through the most terrible grief in his life but
Speaker 9: he still wanted to join the police force. And we
Speaker 9: have Kelly as the CEO of Police Legacy here in wa.
Speaker 9: She does an amazing job and she just got back
Speaker 9: from Camber where all the heads of Legacy met, so
Speaker 9: they can work nationally but also look after the West
Speaker 9: Australian and so it's a privilege to have them in
Speaker 9: this stay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Hi Aid and Hi Kelly Simon. Nice to meet you.
Speaker 2: Thank you for coming in today. How old are you, Aiden?
Speaker 2: I'm twenty two, twenty two and is explaining what Cole
Speaker 2: said in your words? What does it mean? What did
Speaker 2: Police Legacy Day and Police Legacy mean to you and
Speaker 2: your family?
Speaker 10: Well, it was just absolutely outstanding of the support that
Speaker 10: they were able to provide straight away after my father
Speaker 10: passed away. They were there within the first you know,
Speaker 10: twenty four hours, forty eight hours, offering financial support and
Speaker 10: counseling and just offering, you know, someone to talk to
Speaker 10: and just to help out with us.
Speaker 2: How old was your dad when he passed, Aiden, I
Speaker 2: think it was forty five, Okay, so he's young, all right,
Speaker 2: So that's you were young then you were you were yeah,
Speaker 2: and the family were you know, we're obviously heavily affected.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I was only twelve at the time, and obviously
Speaker 10: you think you're just alone. No one's experiencing the same
Speaker 10: grief or something like I am but obviously with the
Speaker 10: police legacy camp that I went on, I got to
Speaker 10: meet the other kids there that were going through the
Speaker 10: same situation, and it just put it into perspective for
Speaker 10: me that there's other kids out there like me, and
Speaker 10: that I am able.
Speaker 2: To push through. Where was a legacy camp I was
Speaker 2: down in Harvey, down Harvey, Okay, Kelly, thank you for
Speaker 2: coming in. He's made unusual in that he's a legacy
Speaker 2: kid or a legacy who's chosen to choose his career path.
Speaker 2: Is he unusual or is it common?
Speaker 11: I don't think it's common, But I think it's great
Speaker 11: that he can overcome this thing that happened in his
Speaker 11: life that was tragic and he's wanted to come in
Speaker 11: and serve the community and serve WA and I think
Speaker 11: it's fantastic.
Speaker 2: We're reminded on occasion that it's a dangerous job, aren't we.
Speaker 2: And this is a testament to it today, isn't it.
Speaker 12: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: We had an officer in Tasmania, a veteran officer lost
Speaker 2: his life only yesterday and again the long driveways and
Speaker 2: that's not getting any easier out there, is Do you
Speaker 2: ever have any doubts? Do you ever consider any other careers.
Speaker 10: Aiden, Yeah, previously I had a few other jobs in
Speaker 10: trade industry and stuff like that, but I always had
Speaker 10: police in mind in the back of my mind for
Speaker 10: a number of years, and I just had such so
Speaker 10: many people say, this is a great job, you'll love it,
Speaker 10: and it was really bubbling away into our Where did
Speaker 10: my dad's coroners report? And that flicked the switch and
Speaker 10: it just made me go, Yep, I'm going to do.
Speaker 2: This, Kelly. The support you're able to provide to the
Speaker 2: Blanchard family, we Coll and Aiden have reflected on that.
Speaker 2: What other services can you provide for all families of
Speaker 2: different aren't they different circumstances.
Speaker 11: Yeah, there's going to be you know, some families have children,
Speaker 11: some it might be the husband or wife that's left behind.
Speaker 11: So we can offer financial support, we can offer you know,
Speaker 11: just just walking alongside them, just having someone to talk to.
Speaker 11: We can put them in touch with other organizations or
Speaker 11: other welfare support and just know that we're there for them.
Speaker 11: So yeah, that's mainly what we're there for.
Speaker 2: And I think you have personal experience and family experience
Speaker 2: in this regard, Dons. I mean, I lived in Newman
Speaker 2: up until two thousand. It's two thousand and one when
Speaker 2: the plane went down coming back from an indigenous community
Speaker 2: and that was a family issue for you too, wasn't it.
Speaker 13: Yeah.
Speaker 11: Yeah, that was my cousin Gavin Capes and Gavin Capes
Speaker 11: who passed away in that plane crash. That really affected
Speaker 11: the whole family. So knowing that there's my cousin that
Speaker 11: we didn't get to grow up with. Yeah, Unfortunately I
Speaker 11: was away over east. I was in the Army at
Speaker 11: the time, couldn't be back to be with the family.
Speaker 11: But knowing that police legacy was there and that they
Speaker 11: got that support was amazing for us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, really affected that community. As I said, I knew
Speaker 2: David Jua really well and I worked with his wife Lynn,
Speaker 2: And the death of a copper has a profound impact
Speaker 2: on community, goal doesn't it.
Speaker 9: There's no doubt about it. And obviously, as you mentioned,
Speaker 9: only yesterday Tasmania and a police officer murdered whilst serving
Speaker 9: their community. I think that was the first time in
Speaker 9: Tasmania since nineteen twenty two. So the grief that has
Speaker 9: suffered across an entire organization is immense. It's is why
Speaker 9: police legacy is so important. Just so your listeners understand.
Speaker 9: Almost all police can contribute part of their own salary
Speaker 9: to police Legacy to provide this for the kids and
Speaker 9: the widows or those left behind, the families left behind,
Speaker 9: and that's why it's so important. It's actually the police
Speaker 9: themselves giving to those families and that's why all of
Speaker 9: us take this very seriously. But when we lose an officer,
Speaker 9: the grief that resonates throughout Australia. And I've spoken to
Speaker 9: the Police commissioner in Tasmania. It's just something that we
Speaker 9: know that we go and do every day as police officers,
Speaker 9: and we all want to come home to our families
Speaker 9: and sadly some don't. And Aiden is someone who it's
Speaker 9: such a privilege to have him this police force because
Speaker 9: he has seen the light to join and serve our
Speaker 9: community as well.
Speaker 2: Well said, well is it impressive, isn't he? The commissioner, Yeah,
Speaker 2: we will. I have to ask you this, Kelly, having
Speaker 2: lived in Newman, I know that the Bloody Slowe Cup
Speaker 2: has been in him for nineteen years. Is there a
Speaker 2: new personally affected? Is there a reason why it's been
Speaker 2: moved to the city this year that you're aware of?
Speaker 11: Well, the event's gone for twenty years. It's a very
Speaker 11: costly exercise. You know, those families are getting on in
Speaker 11: age and they've been going along to the event every year,
Speaker 11: and so we've passed that on to the Newman community
Speaker 11: to run their own event up there, and you know,
Speaker 11: we'll give them all the support that they need, you know,
Speaker 11: potentially go up there and go to the event. But
Speaker 11: it's just it was just time to kind of pass
Speaker 11: that on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, have you been to a few of those calls?
Speaker 9: I have, and look as certainly as commissioner, it's my
Speaker 9: role to go. Then we'll continue to commemorate the four
Speaker 9: officers that have passed away. And one of the other
Speaker 9: reason is the parents of those four officers are either
Speaker 9: passed away or getting very elderly. Some don't live in
Speaker 9: the state. And there was a conversation with those parents
Speaker 9: who probably suffered a reliving of the trauma and grief
Speaker 9: every time they come back every year. So it's been
Speaker 9: twenty years, I think many of them said, you know,
Speaker 9: it's time, it's time for us to not go through
Speaker 9: this each and every time. So we wanted to hand
Speaker 9: over the events to the City of Newman and We're
Speaker 9: always happy to support that through our presence and we
Speaker 9: will commemorate. We'll always commemorate our lost officers. So it's
Speaker 9: really a transfer of the events rather than the actual
Speaker 9: situation of those four offices.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think when I worked at the Shire of
Speaker 2: East Pillar and Trevor Ruhlan was at Roeburn and he's
Speaker 2: passed away. He's a riper bloke. He was good luck,
Speaker 2: good like Aid and hope it goes well. So where
Speaker 2: are you at in training terms?
Speaker 14: Now?
Speaker 2: When did you have you been through through the academy?
Speaker 10: Yeah, so I finished the academy in March and I'm
Speaker 10: just stationed in Midland at the Booze Bus So it's
Speaker 10: pretty interesting watching people on the roads.
Speaker 2: Yeah, busy. And I would I mention Kelly, thank you
Speaker 2: for coming and keep up the good work. So this
Speaker 2: is a we're talking about this today to raise awareness
Speaker 2: and again to a raise awareness about what a dangerous
Speaker 2: job this is and how important it is in our
Speaker 2: community that we have guys like Aiden entering the police
Speaker 2: force after what he's been through. Yeah, that's what while
Speaker 2: are we here today, Aid and good luck Kelly, good
Speaker 2: luck to you, Thank you very much. Yeah, thank you
Speaker 2: and well call if you wouldn't mind staying. We'll have
Speaker 2: a bit of chat about some policing issues that are
Speaker 2: around at the moment. It is eighteen and a half
Speaker 2: minutes to ten o'clock more of cole Blanche after these.
Speaker 2: There's one really important thing I forgot to do in
Speaker 2: all of that. I heard a cole Blanche say that
Speaker 2: police donate to legacy. Kelly, we can as well. Human
Speaker 2: beings and citizens can do it too, can't they.
Speaker 11: Absolutely If you go to our website, so just google
Speaker 11: WA Police Legacy, you can see all the ways that
Speaker 11: you can support us. So we're all up for donations.
Speaker 11: There's merchandise on there, you can come to our events.
Speaker 11: We'll put everything on the website. But we would love
Speaker 11: to have everyone's support to get some more funding to
Speaker 11: help these families.
Speaker 2: Just today, it is part of the day or.
Speaker 11: Ongoing, absolutely ongoing. So today is just to raise awareness
Speaker 11: of the great work that all the police legacies in
Speaker 11: around Australia do. But anytime you're very welcome to help
Speaker 11: us out with some funding.
Speaker 2: Please please Legacy website. Have you got a Cold Blanche bubblehead?
Speaker 9: It's so hotcakes, really good man, looks I haven't solved
Speaker 9: very well, Simon, but certainly I'll tell you what does
Speaker 9: so well as the canine small fluffy dogs. So they
Speaker 9: go like hotcakes, don't they.
Speaker 2: H Thanks Kelly, and I apologize for missing that as
Speaker 2: a very important part of why you here, Aid And
Speaker 2: good luck, Kelly, good luck, thank you, thank you, thanks
Speaker 2: for coming in. Cole Blanche is with us today, the
Speaker 2: Police Commissioner here in Western Australia. For you police issues
Speaker 2: we can discuss with Commissioner Blanche today. I did read
Speaker 2: in the paper today, Cole, you've made an arrest and
Speaker 2: a charge around a Nazi gesture and I get us
Speaker 2: since there's a ramping up of resources in this area.
Speaker 9: We have, and certainly I think our community would expect
Speaker 9: anyone that is allegedly spewing hate out in our community,
Speaker 9: particularly around Nazi symbols and Nazi behavior. No one in
Speaker 9: WA or Australia has got time for that. It is
Speaker 9: against the law, so we will be taking action. I
Speaker 9: think it's unacceptable. It caused a significant division within our
Speaker 9: community and if you're going to behave like that, you're
Speaker 9: going to get a knock on the door from the police.
Speaker 9: It's as simple as that.
Speaker 2: Is it without encouraging it. Is it an area of
Speaker 2: priority for your crew.
Speaker 9: Look, it's certainly something that our State Security Investigation Group
Speaker 9: look at. Thankfully, it's only a very small number in
Speaker 9: Western Australia. Most of our community wonderful people, we are
Speaker 9: united as Western Australians, but there are a small number.
Speaker 9: And here's an example of a tweeny year old man
Speaker 9: that thought it's okay to be allegedly giving whole Hitler
Speaker 9: salutes online to others in our community. Just an absolute disgrace.
Speaker 2: On an on camera. And that stuff stays published and
Speaker 2: easy enough for your crew to get hold of it.
Speaker 2: There's made a car chase this morning, a police chase
Speaker 2: this morning. I understand Colin so a twenty two year
Speaker 2: old man has been charged and unfortunately a number of
Speaker 2: people have found themselves in hospital.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 9: No, Look, we had a police intercepted a vehicle last
Speaker 9: night at Toyota, Kluger and z In Belcado. Now the
Speaker 9: car actually did pull over and as we were making
Speaker 9: some inquiries, it appears that that person may not have
Speaker 9: had a license to drive and other issues related to
Speaker 9: police police information. He then took off and he left
Speaker 9: the scene and tried to evade police for some time
Speaker 9: and sadly crashed into an innocent person's vehicle. Thankfully that
Speaker 9: person not seriously injured, but both cars very badly damaged.
Speaker 9: And that person has now been arrested and will be
Speaker 9: charged or has been charged with very serious offenses. What
Speaker 9: time of nightcop, This happened about twelve twenty am, So
Speaker 9: I was the first thing.
Speaker 2: In the morning. Yeah, all right, yeah, no, good happens.
Speaker 2: A lot happens way too much, doesn't it.
Speaker 15: That?
Speaker 2: Will you hear about the check all the time? I
Speaker 2: wanted to ask you this. This is stuck in my
Speaker 2: mind forever. I was part of the crew that put
Speaker 2: the stadium together what we now call up the stadium,
Speaker 2: and I do remember at the time a senior copper
Speaker 2: said to me, there's a crop shop, there's a police
Speaker 2: station at the stadium. It's got a couple of cells.
Speaker 2: Has it been operational? Has it been used?
Speaker 9: Certainly is operational. We use it for major events. Not surprisingly,
Speaker 9: there has been what we call the Crowded Places initiative
Speaker 9: for years in the terrorism environment, knowing that we've seen
Speaker 9: large stadiums around the world sadly been where the location
Speaker 9: of terrorist attacks and other serious incidents. We always have
Speaker 9: a large police presence for large events here in Wa
Speaker 9: to make sure our community is safe. Since twenty eighteen,
Speaker 9: we've had just over one hundred people put through the cells. Now,
Speaker 9: what that tells me is that that's not a lot
Speaker 9: of people since twenty eighteen, so we're talking about seven years.
Speaker 9: That means West Australians are overwhelmingly well behaved, even at
Speaker 9: the footy signment, which is a good thing. Other than
Speaker 9: those hundred people, most people can be dealt with just
Speaker 9: by a conversation and say, you know, pull your head
Speaker 9: in or we're going to reject you out of the stadium.
Speaker 9: There's a lot of security there. But we do have
Speaker 9: this police station and sells if we do have a
Speaker 9: serious incident or someone cannot just behave themselves. And I
Speaker 9: think it's important to have that because it is for
Speaker 9: the safety and security of our community.
Speaker 2: Is it used as a community police station or just
Speaker 2: on game day?
Speaker 9: Call just on game day, so we don't regularly start it.
Speaker 9: It's just for major events, but it is for our briefings.
Speaker 9: It's obviously for custody areas and for police to have
Speaker 9: a bit of respite through the day as they work
Speaker 9: the longhoils.
Speaker 2: So I would imagine, in the absence of knowing, if
Speaker 2: you are at the footy and the croppers come and
Speaker 2: talk to you, and you find yourself in a cell
Speaker 2: in the basement of optors, the next place you're going
Speaker 2: is probably out the door, isn't it. You don't get
Speaker 2: to go back into the ground.
Speaker 9: Correct, And look, I would say before the cell, you're
Speaker 9: probably going to get kicked out first, but if you
Speaker 9: kick off, then you're going into the cell and then
Speaker 9: we'll process you through. I think our policing in WA
Speaker 9: is about, look, let's stop the stupid behavior, cut it
Speaker 9: out and maybe leave. If you want to kick on
Speaker 9: or then we've got that ability to arrest you and
Speaker 9: go further. But my preference is at sporting events. Why
Speaker 9: ruin your day and the day of others. You're there
Speaker 9: with your family, that you're there with your friends, enjoy yourself,
Speaker 9: don't end up in a police cell. You've gone pretty
Speaker 9: far if you.
Speaker 2: End up there, Yeah, no doubt about it. With regards
Speaker 2: I hope you can't answer this, or you can choose
Speaker 2: not to because you're call Blanche. But down at Geelong.
Speaker 2: They have facial recognition on pundas when they come into
Speaker 2: the ground. Has that come across your desk in a
Speaker 2: note yet? Is that being considered for OPTUS?
Speaker 9: Look, certainly, I am not aware of it being at OPTUS.
Speaker 9: I do know that casinos and other places do use
Speaker 9: it quite regularly for refusal of patrons that have been ejected.
Speaker 9: So their database is those of those people who have
Speaker 9: already been denied entry. And that's the way private enterprises
Speaker 9: generally use them. If you've already been denied, they take
Speaker 9: a picture and they look for you if you're coming back.
Speaker 9: I suspect that will be used more and more by
Speaker 9: private indust It is something for people to be mindful of.
Speaker 9: But I think the very clear thing is they're not
Speaker 9: taking it from a database from your driver's license or
Speaker 9: your passport or any of those larger imaged databases. It's
Speaker 9: really if you've been captured before and a photo taken
Speaker 9: of you.
Speaker 2: All right, you have a lot on your plate. And
Speaker 2: we've just spoken about the firearm registry, and we've talked
Speaker 2: about that on the program before. That could be tightened
Speaker 2: up from an IT perspective. Scooters have come your way
Speaker 2: as well. I've heard one of your senior coppers talk
Speaker 2: about the operation a couple of weekends ago. I've heard
Speaker 2: about that, but this is now on your patch, and
Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you about vapes and the enforcement
Speaker 2: of the illegal sale of vapes because I know some
Speaker 2: convenience store where they're sold. Most people do yes, no
Speaker 2: question today? Have vapes won the war on vapes? And
Speaker 2: the yeses are forty three? And the nose or one
Speaker 2: who's responsibility to allocate resources to that call? You're hanging
Speaker 2: out convenience stores or going undercover.
Speaker 9: Look, the enforcement of apes is the Department of Health
Speaker 9: across the nation. Certainly, police will only be involved if
Speaker 9: there is violence associated or organized crime, or there's arson
Speaker 9: sometimes we've seen with tobacco and vapes, so there's been
Speaker 9: some standover tactics. I think it's a question for Department
Speaker 9: of Health about the enforcement, so I wouldn't want to
Speaker 9: answer on their behalf.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, So it doesn't to be really clear there.
Speaker 2: Most of us know where they are. But it's not
Speaker 2: for coppers to go under cover and or detectives to
Speaker 2: go on the cover and try and buy a vape.
Speaker 9: No, that's not our role at this time because it's
Speaker 9: a regulation of a prohibited import and product.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, A couple of questions. This one is
Speaker 2: my seem unusually comes from someone on your team. Who's
Speaker 2: your origin team? Who are you going for tomorrow night?
Speaker 9: Look, that's a really good question.
Speaker 2: Firstly, is that only two answers? Only two possible answers? Yeah, Commissioner, Yes,
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 9: But I generally don't talk Origin because it is highly
Speaker 9: divisive and I've got people in my own organization that
Speaker 9: are just bleeding color and you can't have a conversation
Speaker 9: with them. So I'm going to remain mute on Origin
Speaker 9: games because it's quite divisive. It's probably one of the
Speaker 9: most divisive games that come up all year. You'd be
Speaker 9: surprised to how many blues we have in the Office
Speaker 9: of Orangin.
Speaker 2: It's very strategy, that's very diplomatic from you, very political
Speaker 2: as well. It is just a couple of minutes to
Speaker 2: ten o'clock now yesterday.
Speaker 16: Kyle.
Speaker 2: I know you know, post police commission to day as
Speaker 2: you're very keen on being a Bunnings greeter. It fits
Speaker 2: your personality, CHARISMI your temperament. I think you're still keen
Speaker 2: on that I like to use a QR code to
Speaker 2: buy sausage on Sunday from the Bunnings. Is that UnAustralian.
Speaker 9: Well you for got the twenty percent discount card. That
Speaker 9: was the other reason why I agree that is very
Speaker 9: un Australia. You know you need to I would say,
Speaker 9: let's go back to cash for the sausage. That's where
Speaker 9: we need to be. I know they've got an f
Speaker 9: POS machine.
Speaker 2: Well that's the thing that you can still pay your cash,
Speaker 2: but the tap and go has gone to qrco.
Speaker 9: I am a little concerned about the lack of consistency
Speaker 9: in bunning sausages because in Wa it's a hot dog bun.
Speaker 9: In other places it's a piece of bread. We need
Speaker 9: to all that dispute first.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, they're talking about divisive Cole, thanks for coming
Speaker 2: in today. I really appreciate it. And again it is
Speaker 2: a National Police Legacy Day from you from the top.
Speaker 2: Why should people make a donation or buy buy sub
Speaker 2: merch from police legacy.
Speaker 9: Look, I think having aid in here today is that example.
Speaker 9: We want good police in our police force. We want
Speaker 9: to and those that lose their life on the job,
Speaker 9: we want to look after their family. And I think
Speaker 9: as West Australians we care about people. We are a
Speaker 9: united community. We support and trust our police. It's about
Speaker 9: looking after family first and foremost, and I think that
Speaker 9: all resonates with all of us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Queensland on New South Wales, Victoria done.
Speaker 2: Thank you for coming in today, and again thanks to
Speaker 2: the guy who from Legacy it is an amazing cause.
Speaker 2: And to Aiden Blanchard who's now finds himself as a
Speaker 2: copper at twenty two years of age, following on the
Speaker 2: footsteps of his father is a noble, noble thing. So
Speaker 2: Aidan and Kelly and col thanks for coming in today.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you. Cole Blanche the police commissioner. Five
Speaker 2: to ten, take a break. Did you know that the
Speaker 2: Opta Stadium had a fully operational police station a couple
Speaker 2: of cells. I have been aware of that and I've
Speaker 2: always meant to ask police commissioners about it, about how
Speaker 2: it's tracking. One hundred people have been through the cells
Speaker 2: at Opteras Stadium since twenty eighteen. Cole doesn't reckon that's
Speaker 2: very many. It sounds like a lot to me. Thanks
Speaker 2: for listening in today. Have vapes won the war on vapes?
Speaker 2: The yeses are forty threes and the nose one bev,
Speaker 2: Hi BEV. Good morning, Simon. Yes, vapes have won the battle.
Speaker 2: Enjoying show, Dave. A lot of people really impressed with
Speaker 2: Caroline Spencer today. Order the general is great, so it's
Speaker 2: now time for the bureaucrats to be accountable. Since Dave
Speaker 2: spot on, Dave, it's not a hot dog savory roll call.
Speaker 2: It is a hot dog savory role call. It's not
Speaker 2: a bun. Hello, Trushy if you're listening. And Troy says,
Speaker 2: watched a young seventeen year old Charlie Cameron tear it
Speaker 2: up at the Bloody Slow Cup in Knwman. He wasn't
Speaker 2: bloody slow. He's a gun. Still a gun, isn't he?
Speaker 2: Troy and the goal Charlie. Thanks for listening in. We'll
Speaker 2: come back after the news. Plenty still to come here
Speaker 2: on Perth Today.
Speaker 1: On Perth six PR. This is Perth Today with Simon Beaumont.
Speaker 2: Thanks for listening in. Today we're running a yes no
Speaker 2: poll today. Have vapes won the War on vapes? The
Speaker 2: yes of forty seven, the nose of one and interesting
Speaker 2: to hear Cole Blanche the Police Commissioner a flat out
Speaker 2: say it's not for us to police it. We're not
Speaker 2: going to send undercover cops into convenience stores. We're not
Speaker 2: going to send them onto mind sites, pink people getting
Speaker 2: off planes. Vapes are everywhere, freely available. We all know
Speaker 2: where to get them. It's illegal to sell vapes, but
Speaker 2: no one's getting Pingdalih. There might have been a bit
Speaker 2: of a correction in that a lot of retailers stop
Speaker 2: doing it, but it doesn't look like anyone's enforcing it.
Speaker 2: And Commission of Blanche was really clear says it's a
Speaker 2: health department issue, so they need to enforce it. I
Speaker 2: don't know how they do that. I don't know what
Speaker 2: the officer. There are there health officers who wear uniforms
Speaker 2: and go around and police this stuff. Can they go
Speaker 2: under cover? I don't know that there's been any prosecutions,
Speaker 2: Has there any zero? I think it's very clear on
Speaker 2: the health WA health website you can't sell it. There
Speaker 2: are places where you can't vape in public, you can't
Speaker 2: vape in certain premises if the owner doesn't want you to.
Speaker 2: But everyone's doing it. I reckon is getting worse. One
Speaker 2: double three eighty two is the phone number and lots
Speaker 2: of pubs do have beer gardens where you can smoke.
Speaker 2: That's okay, that's fine. We would rather people didn't smoke,
Speaker 2: but people do and they hang out in the beer garden,
Speaker 2: have a drry, have a drink, and people vape in
Speaker 2: them as well. So have vapes won the war on vapes?
Speaker 2: Of yeses are forty seven and the nose one. I'd
Speaker 2: love to hear from you one double three eight eighty two.
Speaker 2: We had put in a request. We knew we're going
Speaker 2: to talk to Caroline Spencer today about the blowout on
Speaker 2: Smart Rider and the blowout on the high speed traffic
Speaker 2: signals for the train line. So Caroline Spencer let us
Speaker 2: know that the smart Rider conversion so we can tap
Speaker 2: and go at train stations, ferries and non buses is
Speaker 2: seventy eight months behind schedule and has blown out the
Speaker 2: budget by about fifteen percent. So we have it. We
Speaker 2: knew that was coming. We've seen the report and we
Speaker 2: have us to speak to the Transport Minister. Reader Safiordi
Speaker 2: not available today but has sent in a statement. I'll
Speaker 2: look at some of that. As you know, it's normally
Speaker 2: not something we do do, but some of it's instructive
Speaker 2: in responding to the OAG report and the like. It's
Speaker 2: ten past ten. Call in one double three eight eighty two.
Speaker 2: Hello Debrah, Yeah, good morning.
Speaker 17: How are you Bowie?
Speaker 2: Good? Thank you?
Speaker 17: What's happened on, miss Cole Blanchet. I've got an issue
Speaker 17: with a traffic infringement three hundred don fine three demerit
Speaker 17: points because my tire was partner on the white line
Speaker 17: at a red at a red light. Yeah, okay, I
Speaker 17: didn't go through the light. I've obviously rolled forward because
Speaker 17: I can see in the side there's a car behind me,
Speaker 17: is right really close behind me. Teak traffic from Leach Chila.
Speaker 17: I always leave a good half a car distant tree
Speaker 17: myself because of car accidents and whatever, and the offense
Speaker 17: of stopped before circular red signal stop line, and I
Speaker 17: just think that's absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that doesn't sound right. Yeah, I know there's I
Speaker 2: know there's a fine infringements. I've got one too, deb
Speaker 2: where if you save you you want to turn right
Speaker 2: and you pull into the pull in the right hand lane,
Speaker 2: and then you change your mind and go back into
Speaker 2: the main fly travel. I've got one of those that
Speaker 2: are on the traffic camera that's changing lanes illegally, but
Speaker 2: your one doesn't sound so you weren't over the weren't
Speaker 2: over the line, but you were over the sideline.
Speaker 17: Into my ties, probably just the white line. I wasn't
Speaker 17: over it as in the whole ton of car, but
Speaker 17: it looks like the tire is maybe just I've only
Speaker 17: got a tiny car.
Speaker 2: Yeah yet, so can you appeal it now with the photo?
Speaker 17: Well, on the paperwork, I go to court. But on
Speaker 17: the option of stock, which you don't want to do,
Speaker 17: cost a review? Nice, request a review or elect to
Speaker 17: have the matter determined by court.
Speaker 2: Well, I've never done that, but I reckon request the
Speaker 2: review and see what happens and let us know how
Speaker 2: you go. Because if you if you're not over the line,
Speaker 2: you're not over the line. That should be clear in
Speaker 2: the photograph.
Speaker 17: So well you can see in the photograph. But it
Speaker 17: must have just triggered something. But because the tire might
Speaker 17: have been touching.
Speaker 2: This morning, Yeah, all right, request the review. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: request the review. Deb go through the process. Let us
Speaker 2: know how you go. And any other listeners have got
Speaker 2: advice for Deborah? Have you ever requested of you based
Speaker 2: on photo evidence? Give us a shout one Double three
Speaker 2: eighty two is the phone number. Thanks for your thoughts today,
Speaker 2: Jim says, Yes, the vapes have won, but the government
Speaker 2: doesn't want to win or ban them. The government wanted
Speaker 2: to tax them. Yeah, we spoke about that this warning
Speaker 2: gym before the show. Is it a matter of just
Speaker 2: selling them and taxing them? When they came about as
Speaker 2: a way of getting people off the darries, didn't they
Speaker 2: because they have Lesnick nicotine content. But they are, according
Speaker 2: to my mates, highly addictive and easy on the throat
Speaker 2: and tasty. And you can get them you know where
Speaker 2: to get them. People get them online, don't get sent
Speaker 2: to hunt their homes or to you know. Yeah, go
Speaker 2: out and go out and watch a fly and fly
Speaker 2: out crew coming back from the pill where any day
Speaker 2: of the week and we'll see how many people are
Speaker 2: using vapes and I reckon they haven't bought them from pharmacies.
Speaker 2: Twelve and a half minutes past ten, we have got
Speaker 2: a lengthy response from Minister Rita Safioti about the Order's
Speaker 2: gen report into Project Blowouts. Yeah and coming if you want.
Speaker 2: N Ann Barclay's going to do the honors and self
Speaker 2: edit as she goes and try and make it understandable
Speaker 2: for normal humhuman beings. Thank you, am Hi Bowie.
Speaker 18: Oh look, I'll do my best.
Speaker 19: So.
Speaker 18: In response to the Order the General's Report, Minister Safioti
Speaker 18: says the WA Government has strengthened its approach to IT
Speaker 18: project delivery by implementing improved governance, guidance and oversight mechanisms.
Speaker 18: The Office of Digital Government has issued a suite of
Speaker 18: guidance materials and frameworks to support agencies in planning, delivering
Speaker 18: and managing IT projects effectively. A new IT Modernization Framework
Speaker 18: will be made available to agencies this week. This framework
Speaker 18: will directly address issues identified in the Audit Guide, IT
Speaker 18: modernization efforts and improve cost transparency. The Government and Treasury
Speaker 18: have worked together on several reforms, including a staged funding
Speaker 18: model for IT projects that enables better planning and cost
Speaker 18: certainty prior to full funding decisions. So something's being brought
Speaker 18: out this week, a new IT modernization framework. Not really
Speaker 18: sure what that means.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure what a lot of what you just
Speaker 2: said means, Anna, And I'm not having to go at
Speaker 2: you because you're my colleague, but yeah, there's a bit
Speaker 2: of bureaucratic speaking there, but thanks to the Minister's Office.
Speaker 2: What did the Minister Offics say about Smart Writer?
Speaker 18: So on Smart Writer Upgrade specifically, the cost of the
Speaker 18: Smart Writer Upgrade project remains at sixty point three million.
Speaker 18: There are a number of potential add on options associated
Speaker 18: with the program, however, there's been no formal decision on
Speaker 18: whether these are actually required. The advice from the PTA
Speaker 18: Public Transport Authority as of today is that new payment
Speaker 18: options will be available by the end of the year.
Speaker 18: As we understand, the Auditor General's reference to the timeline
Speaker 18: may have related to an old business case undertaken in
Speaker 18: twenty fifteen. The government first made an investment decision into
Speaker 18: twenty seventeen, and at the time it marked a completion
Speaker 18: date of twenty twenty one. Works were paused during can
Speaker 18: you guess during COVID during the COVID pandemic, while global
Speaker 18: IT hardware supply issues associated with the war in Ukraine
Speaker 18: have also impacted the delivery of the project.
Speaker 4: So seems like.
Speaker 18: A pretty strong promise here that by the end of
Speaker 18: the year we're going to see some new payment options available.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 18: Right, I'd love to be able to use tap and
Speaker 18: go on the bus.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so would I. Yeah, yeah, so would I. I mean,
Speaker 2: you can use it at the little terminal thing. But
Speaker 2: been a long time coming, seventy eight months, and COVID's
Speaker 2: been a factor, and apparently the war in Ukraine's been
Speaker 2: a factor. Yes, as one of a couple of elistas said,
Speaker 2: could we not just buy one from somewhere else? We'll
Speaker 2: get one a shell from somewhere else.
Speaker 18: I don't sometimes I don't know. I mean, I'm not
Speaker 18: responsible for rolling out these big new projects, but sometimes
Speaker 18: I think it can't be this hard. Surely there's an
Speaker 18: easier way, also, a smart riders recyclable the cards, because
Speaker 18: if everyone in nearly everyone in WA's got a card,
Speaker 18: what are we going to do with them all? You
Speaker 18: know when we upgrade, So we have some sort of
Speaker 18: party and throw them all on a bonfire third draw down.
Speaker 2: Keep them in the third draw down, Yes, with their
Speaker 2: elastic bands.
Speaker 18: And the glue right the bits and Bob's draw.
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Speaker 2: is sixteen minutes past ten. Have vapes won the war?
Speaker 2: On vapes forty nine yeses and four no's, and they
Speaker 2: are all from Facebook. I'd love to hear from you.
Speaker 2: Will speak to an expert on that in just a moment.
Speaker 2: And another story we've got coming up. More and more
Speaker 2: women are doing heavy lifting in the gym, doing weightlifting,
Speaker 2: and there's been a little spike in as a result,
Speaker 2: not purely because of that little spike in steroid juice
Speaker 2: as well. We'll come back to that in just a moment.
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Speaker 2: in Jerry's phone in about the traffic infringement, can they Jerry?
Speaker 3: You got Simon? Yeah, it's actually it's actually just silly infringements.
Speaker 3: I got stuck going through a traffic light intersection. We're
Speaker 3: going too slow. They were on armber and I went
Speaker 3: through and then the top car pulled up behind me.
Speaker 3: Did know at to stop? Your foreign? I said, no,
Speaker 3: So you're going to slow through the intersection.
Speaker 20: I said what it was?
Speaker 3: Orange one? He said yeah, I would you had the
Speaker 3: opportunity to stop? I said, well, well I've got a
Speaker 3: van here full of equipment and machines and every now
Speaker 3: so I said, well it'd be dangerous jam, wouldn't it.
Speaker 3: So now there's a fine hundred and twenty.
Speaker 2: Well how long ago was there?
Speaker 3: Oh that was about five years ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, let's see.
Speaker 3: Yeah, apparently if you have the if you have the
Speaker 3: opportunity to stop, you have to stop.
Speaker 21: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I've heard that. Yeah, I've been pined for that, and
Speaker 2: it's a it's a judgment call of a copper right,
Speaker 2: you should have you should have hit the brakes and
Speaker 2: go who. I didn't thought i'd get through.
Speaker 3: The fact that the fact that he asked me what
Speaker 3: I stopped you for. You know, I knew that it
Speaker 3: was a bit of a gray area. You know, I
Speaker 3: think he just had a grumpy day.
Speaker 2: It is an interpretation that I make no doubt about it.
Speaker 2: Thanks Jerry. Always good to hear from me. Thank you, mate,
Speaker 2: Ben s there's lots of women work out, but I
Speaker 2: still can't work out women. Thanks Ben. And it's a talent.
Speaker 2: The breath of fresh air put her on more often
Speaker 2: so Smithy good presenting Anne. Thank you Smithy. She's a talent.
Speaker 2: Former newsreader. I'm a reporter here at six PR and
Speaker 2: now producer here on Perth Today. She's very good. But
Speaker 2: she's leaving us because she's having a baby. And so
Speaker 2: last day on Friday, we're going to miss it. One
Speaker 2: double three a Daddy two. This one here from one
Speaker 2: of our listens. Shouldn't Australia Post be charged for delivering vapes?
Speaker 2: I don't know if they do. Someone yeah, look, someone
Speaker 2: might like to self confess there. How do he get
Speaker 2: hold of vapes? From overseas. It because it does happen.
Speaker 2: It happens online, right the Star Trek is it? You
Speaker 2: know there's some dodgy system where you ring up and
Speaker 2: some bloke comes around in a white van and drops
Speaker 2: it off. How does the delivery part of it work?
Speaker 22: One?
Speaker 2: Double three adady two is the phone number. Are vapes
Speaker 2: winning the war on vapes? We've been asking the question
Speaker 2: this morning. Yes, the fifty one and the nose of four.
Speaker 2: We've asked the police commissioner today about enforcement in retail
Speaker 2: outlet it's convenience stores and he said that's nope, that's
Speaker 2: not us, that's not my boys and girls, that's the
Speaker 2: health department. Vapes winning the var on vapes. Becky Freeman
Speaker 2: is Professor of public health at the University of Sidney
Speaker 2: joins US now Professor Becky, How are you?
Speaker 23: I'm good, Thank you, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: Are vipes winning the War on vipespehi or yes or not?
Speaker 24: Yeah?
Speaker 23: Look, let's look at teenagers. They're the population we're most
Speaker 23: worried about. We don't want young people taking up vaping.
Speaker 23: And I run as a recalled generation vape and we
Speaker 23: asked fourteen to seventeen year olds all across the country
Speaker 23: if they've tried vaping, and I'm happy to report that
Speaker 23: we appear to have hit peak vaping in this group.
Speaker 23: So we know eighty five percent of them have never
Speaker 23: tried a vape, and that's the highest number of never
Speaker 23: vapors that we found since we've been conducting the study
Speaker 23: since twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, well that's good, good news.
Speaker 23: I mean, it's not the whole story obviously, when I'm
Speaker 23: sure your listeners can just go out and look in
Speaker 23: their own neighborhoods and they can find to back in
Speaker 23: this in particular, are still selling illegal vapes and you
Speaker 23: don't need to be some secret operative or ordering them
Speaker 23: from a dodgy retailer. You can just buy them outright
Speaker 23: in public. So we do need better enforcement.
Speaker 2: No doubt. So yeah, that was my next questions. That's
Speaker 2: good if eighty five percent of that Cohl is saying no,
Speaker 2: we've never tried it. But the people who have got
Speaker 2: a bit of dough because they're not cheap, have got
Speaker 2: a bit of dough maybe work fly and fly out.
Speaker 2: I reckon they're viping a lot.
Speaker 23: Look, I think when you look at the sort of
Speaker 23: the next group up. We also survey eighteen to twenty
Speaker 23: four year olds. We know that eighteen percent of them
Speaker 23: so are vaping on a regular basis and they tell
Speaker 23: us where they're accessing their vape and it's from retail outlets,
Speaker 23: so they're just rocking up to a shop and purchasing these.
Speaker 23: And remember this is despite the fact that if you
Speaker 23: want to access a vape legally in Australia, you need
Speaker 23: to go to a pharmacy to get it, and you
Speaker 23: need to be over eighteen. And obviously that's not what's
Speaker 23: happening to as much as we want it to be happening,
Speaker 23: we want that you know, people who use these products
Speaker 23: are you know, adults who have tried everything they can
Speaker 23: to quit smoking and under the guidance of either a
Speaker 23: health professional like a pharmacist or a doctor, are using
Speaker 23: vapes to fully quit SPO And that's not what's happening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's as I say, and it seems to
Speaker 2: be getting away from us a bit bigging. Hence the
Speaker 2: response from our listeners today. What are you are? You
Speaker 2: work in the area of public health and public health policy.
Speaker 2: Erin Dale who and our use a cloquial team that
Speaker 2: she's the National Vapes Commissioner, she has another title. She
Speaker 2: has a long history working with COVID in the public
Speaker 2: and private sectors. She's not being renewed, she's not getting
Speaker 2: the job full time. Do you make anything of that?
Speaker 2: Are you aware of that?
Speaker 25: Oh?
Speaker 23: Look, I wouldn't want to comment on any individual and
Speaker 23: their job when I don't have inside knowledge of that.
Speaker 23: But I will say that I am pleased that both
Speaker 23: you know, the federal and state governments are prioritizing enforcement,
Speaker 23: but we do need better coordination. We don't need finger pointing.
Speaker 23: We don't need the state saying oh, this is a
Speaker 23: federal issue, in the federal government saying no, this is
Speaker 23: a state issue, and the police saying no, this is
Speaker 23: a health department issue. We actually need cooperation across the
Speaker 23: board if we really want to make something happen in
Speaker 23: this area.
Speaker 2: So, Becky, either anecdotal or through data, through empirically, how
Speaker 2: are the vipes, how are the vipes getting in from iboss?
Speaker 23: Yeah, so we don't manufacture vapes in Australia at all.
Speaker 23: They are all imported from overseas. And when we revised
Speaker 23: our vaping laws in twenty twenty four, the first phase
Speaker 23: of that was to ban the importation.
Speaker 24: Of disposable vapes.
Speaker 23: Those are the vapes that you know, you use them
Speaker 23: up until they're gone, and then you check them out
Speaker 23: and you buy a new one. And those are the
Speaker 23: ones we know that young people were most attracted to.
Speaker 23: They had flavors added to them. They're easy to take
Speaker 23: it off the shelf and you can just use it.
Speaker 23: You don't have to fiddle around with liquids and all
Speaker 23: these kinds of things, right, and we saw importation of
Speaker 23: those products as soon as the importation was banned was
Speaker 23: brought in really decrease. But obviously some are still getting
Speaker 23: through the border, that they are still being imported illegally.
Speaker 23: And this is why I keep stressing this is an
Speaker 23: importation issue which involves you know, border force in the
Speaker 23: sense this is a retail issue which involves health departments.
Speaker 23: It's a policing issue because there are also criminal elements
Speaker 23: involved here. You need a whole government approach if we
Speaker 23: actually want to do this.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 23: Obviously I'm from the public health side of things, so
Speaker 23: I really want to make sure that young people aren't
Speaker 23: getting addicted to these products, that they're not going to
Speaker 23: be set up for a lifetime of battling with you know,
Speaker 23: being addicted to nicotine.
Speaker 2: Yep, And well let me go to that again, either
Speaker 2: anecdotally or empirically. Vipes A my friends say, viping is
Speaker 2: addictive and I struggle to get off it. What's more addictive?
Speaker 2: A sigi or a vite A despisable vite?
Speaker 23: Yeah, well they both have nicotine in them, so they're
Speaker 23: both addictive. Nicotine is we know, highly highly addictive, particularly
Speaker 23: if you're exposed to it before your brain has fully developed.
Speaker 23: And I'm sure we all realize that our brains don't
Speaker 23: magically fully developed by age eighteen. It takes up to,
Speaker 23: you know, age twenty four really until our brains have
Speaker 23: done sort of growing and changing, and we don't want
Speaker 23: those developing brains exposed to nicotine. It can completely rewire you.
Speaker 23: So that we know that young people who are exposed
Speaker 23: to nicotine have attention issues. We know that young people
Speaker 23: often who vap report being increasingly anxious, because withdrawal from
Speaker 23: nicotine can feel like anxiety. Right, You're like, oh, I
Speaker 23: just don't feel right. I D you get that hit
Speaker 23: of nicotine and all of a sudden you feel better,
Speaker 23: not realizing that that's withdrawal from nicotine. That's what's making
Speaker 23: you feel anxious in the first place.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, yeah, all right, Hey Becky, thank you very
Speaker 2: much for the chat. Really enjoyed it. Cheers.
Speaker 23: Oh great, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: Becky Freeman, Professor of Public Health, University of Sydney. So yeah,
Speaker 2: border force to stop it being imported. And I've never
Speaker 2: thought of that. We don't probably should have. We don't
Speaker 2: make him in Australia. We do not make vapes in Australia.
Speaker 2: They are absolutely everywhere, aren't they, and we well, I
Speaker 2: know where to buy them because some of my mates vape.
Speaker 2: This is a lot of BS. Vaping is everywhere. Sign
Speaker 2: Steve says, Can I, Steve, I get my vape in
Speaker 2: liquid from Sydney, says Steve. Thank you, Steve. Cheers also
Speaker 2: vape without the nicotine, Sam, Steve on your mate, cheers,
Speaker 2: could I mark?
Speaker 26: Okay, mate? I just went to an Asian country not
Speaker 26: so long ago, and yeah, I got mine from there,
Speaker 26: and I went by Singapore, got it through there. I
Speaker 26: went through customers, got it through.
Speaker 2: There, and no questions asked were you were you nervous? Nervous?
Speaker 2: Were you're twitchy?
Speaker 26: I was twitchy in regards to the juice. I get
Speaker 26: that from England and that's that comes by Australia post
Speaker 26: right from my door.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 25: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Wow? So is the those I know a disposable vopes? Mark?
Speaker 2: I don't know much about the other ones with the liquid?
Speaker 2: How how long was that bit of kit last year?
Speaker 13: For?
Speaker 27: Well?
Speaker 26: Mine's mine's not a disposable so I can refill mine?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and how long does that last? Was that?
Speaker 14: That?
Speaker 2: Forever? Is it?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 26: One pod? If you get I've got a few pods,
Speaker 26: if you're connected to your faith, you'll get about four
Speaker 26: or five thousand puffs out of it and it's probably
Speaker 26: cost you five dollars.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, all right mate, Thanks Mark, thanks for the insight.
Speaker 2: So is that legal? And is that legal? Sure? Is
Speaker 2: that legal? I don't know. I don't think it is that.
Speaker 2: Matthew today, get up over here, going go well mate,
Speaker 2: good mate.
Speaker 28: Everyone turns the term war on drugs that's never worked.
Speaker 28: The who are on bapes definitely hasn't worked either. I
Speaker 28: don't understand why they don't dis legalize it and regulate
Speaker 28: it and tax it and then it's safer for everyone else.
Speaker 28: But by myself I've had to go back to smoking
Speaker 28: cigarettes recently because I can't get bapes and I'm not
Speaker 28: going to buy them illegally. I went to a GP
Speaker 28: about a week and a half ago, trying to get
Speaker 28: a prescription because apparently that's the way you have to
Speaker 28: do it now, and the students said they can't do
Speaker 28: it because they've been banned.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Well, well, I was reading the health website
Speaker 2: this morning, Maddie, and it says if you get a
Speaker 2: prescription from your GP, you can get them from your farmer.
Speaker 2: So I guess your your doctor thinks otherwise for some reason.
Speaker 28: Well, she just said, no, I can't do that. They've
Speaker 28: been banned.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's not true. Hey, yeah, I don't think that's right.
Speaker 28: On the other lady, you just had on too where
Speaker 28: she thought eighty of that first age bracket had never
Speaker 28: never tried baby, I think eighty kids surveyed line.
Speaker 2: I'm laughing with you because that did seem a little
Speaker 2: on the high sides of me as well, Matthew, knowing
Speaker 2: a few people in that age group. Yeah, cheers, mate,
Speaker 2: thank you, one, double three, eight eighty two. Have vapes
Speaker 2: won the War on vapes? The Yes, the fifty seven
Speaker 2: and the Nose of four. Thanks for listening him. We
Speaker 2: are going to discuss this topic of the fact that
Speaker 2: more women are working out and using weight heavyweights, bodybuilding,
Speaker 2: if you will, getting strong, building up some muscle mass.
Speaker 2: It's a it's a bigger thing. I'm going to talk
Speaker 2: about that on the program in just in the moment.
Speaker 2: Thanks for listening in. I'm Simon Bayman, plenty to come
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Speaker 2: Steve's got back to us. So. Steve has sent us
Speaker 2: a few semss about vapes and Steve reckons we do
Speaker 2: make them in Australia. We do make vapes. Steve send
Speaker 2: us some more information made. I have been told by
Speaker 2: the university professor that we don't. It's not something I
Speaker 2: ever thought about. I do understand some of them coming
Speaker 2: from overseas, Peter says today, Simon, I'm pretty sure vapes
Speaker 2: contain heavy metals and arthur and other arthur, other cartinogenic elements,
Speaker 2: So I don't think that they're safer than cigarettes, and
Speaker 2: that on cause health issue is pretty ridiculous. I think
Speaker 2: that's a safe option. Cheers, Pete, Thank you very much. Mate.
Speaker 2: One double three eighty two is the phone number today?
Speaker 2: Have vapes won the war on vapes? Yes, are fifty
Speaker 2: seven and the nose of four. Paul says, so strange
Speaker 2: this topic signment it is, Paul. It is got a
Speaker 2: lot of layers, isn't it. Mate. Some years ago on
Speaker 2: this very station, we heard an interview with the Philip
Speaker 2: Morris representative introducing Sherbert Flavor vape as the price of
Speaker 2: cigarettes got more expensive, in undated by callse to your
Speaker 2: show saying it's tageting kids and in their powers to
Speaker 2: be about it to happen. I'm not a smoker or
Speaker 2: a vapor Time we suck it up and net the
Speaker 2: government deal with what they turned a blind eye at.
Speaker 2: Not a people power problem for mine, This is Paul,
Speaker 2: thanks mate. Well, people find a way, don't they, mate,
Speaker 2: And that's that's certainly what's happening, and our listeners agree
Speaker 2: that vapes are winning the war on vapes. It's it's
Speaker 2: like they've they won the war months ago and none
Speaker 2: of us realized. I think, mate, a number of women
Speaker 2: are taking bodybuilding and a small proportion, or be in
Speaker 2: an increasing proportion, they're also dabbling in illegal steroids. Doctor
Speaker 2: Tim Piatowski is with a School of Applied Psychology at
Speaker 2: Griffith UNI. Joins me. Now todate Tim hey Bowie. Yeah, really,
Speaker 2: well thanks. I go to a chain gym here in Perth.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of them and there are more, certainly
Speaker 2: more and more women lifting heavier weights and building body maps.
Speaker 2: There's no doubt about it. So there is an uptick,
Speaker 2: isn't there?
Speaker 22: There isn't. I mean, we have data to show from
Speaker 22: the latest systematic review that I published with some colleagues
Speaker 22: last year. It's up at four percent prevalence globally, but
Speaker 22: among bodybuilders, when we every bodybuilder, it's sixteen.
Speaker 2: Point so quite Yeah. Yeah, what you know, we know,
Speaker 2: we know blokes take steroids, you know, not everyone is
Speaker 2: it is a minority. Still, what effect can anabolic steri
Speaker 2: roid have on a female body? Is it just the same?
Speaker 22: No, it's very different actually in that I guess throughout
Speaker 22: the most furious one and that's permanent infertility. I mean,
Speaker 22: now that can happen in men as well, but I
Speaker 22: think for women it's actually, you know, for men, there's
Speaker 22: a few things you can do in terms of increasing
Speaker 22: sperms out and things like that.
Speaker 6: For women.
Speaker 22: Very very much a potential consequence that can happen at
Speaker 22: any time, and so obviously there's other ones. You know,
Speaker 22: hair loss from the head, hair game on the face
Speaker 22: and body voice changes I think for women is a
Speaker 22: big one, lilteral growth acne, and you know, of course
Speaker 22: I think we could get to mention all the other
Speaker 22: benefits in the strength and performance and all those other
Speaker 22: types of things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I mean other side effects which are probably
Speaker 2: certainly less serious than permanent infertility, to in so mania, moodswings,
Speaker 2: depression effects the menstrual cycle, and a reduction in breast size,
Speaker 2: which are obviously less serious. But do you think I
Speaker 2: guess there is a question the same with blokes. I
Speaker 2: guess people weigh up the risk and saying no, I
Speaker 2: want to look amazing and be strong as and go
Speaker 2: into competitions or whatever they want to do and they
Speaker 2: ignore or the potential side effects.
Speaker 22: I think there's some degree. You know, people, what I guess,
Speaker 22: what my programs of research try and do is to
Speaker 22: assist people in making well informed decisions about their use,
Speaker 22: so knowing these risks and knowing that they're possible, and
Speaker 22: then making a decision from that point. But you're right
Speaker 22: to some people that actually don't have that information, and
Speaker 22: particularly for women, we know that the steroid literacy he
Speaker 22: is generally speaking lower, and so they're not making new
Speaker 22: decisions from a place of you know, a well and
Speaker 22: well informed confront.
Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, all right, but again the unintended consequences
Speaker 2: can be incredibly harmful. Yes, yeah, bottom line. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 2: Hey you Tim, good to talk to you. Keep up
Speaker 2: the good work. Thank you for the chat, Thanks for
Speaker 2: having met Dr Tim Piertowski from Griffith's UNI. Sorry we've
Speaker 2: gone to unit researchers in a row there. This is
Speaker 2: a separate but not unrelated issue. So more and more
Speaker 2: women are bodybuilding, and more and more women are using
Speaker 2: antabolic steroids. It's a worldwide trend. I see lots of
Speaker 2: girls in the gym that I go to who are
Speaker 2: very strong, very fit, very dedicated, work very hard, look
Speaker 2: after themselves. You know they've got personal trainers or they
Speaker 2: just know their way around the gym. It's definitely a thing.
Speaker 2: Lots more lots more people exercising, aren't there. That's what
Speaker 2: I walking going to the gym. Heaps of people doing
Speaker 2: yoga and plarties. It's definitely a good thing if it's
Speaker 2: done wisely, and you see a lot of it. Nineteen
Speaker 2: minutes to eleven. Thanks listening in Wonderble three eight eighty
Speaker 2: two is the phone number. A little bit later on
Speaker 2: in the show, you would have heard Milsey and Carl
Speaker 2: and Peter Ford talking about a remake of that very
Speaker 2: famous ac DC video long Way to the Top on
Speaker 2: the back of the Flatbeg truck with Bond Scott with
Speaker 2: the bagpipes. It was made by Countdown, made on Swanson Street.
Speaker 2: I think in Melbourne. We're going to talk about that
Speaker 2: a little bit later on the program as well. The
Speaker 2: great we just got on film clips back in the
Speaker 2: day in Countdown days. Then they became video clips around
Speaker 2: the MTV sort of era around there. So happy to
Speaker 2: have a chat about that a little bit later on
Speaker 2: in the program. Wonderuble three eight eighty two. Have vapes
Speaker 2: won the War on vapes? Fifty nine yeses and four nos.
Speaker 2: Back In a moment dancing on the ceiling, Tony says,
Speaker 2: my wife is definitely doing more heavy lifting at the
Speaker 2: gym these days. He used to be primarily cardio and
Speaker 2: now a lot of deadlifts, squats, et cetera. Real conundrums.
Speaker 2: She looks great, but I live in constant fear of
Speaker 2: her challenging me to an armrestle. Tony, You'll be all right, mate,
Speaker 2: do your very best. How can vapors think putting fluid
Speaker 2: into your lungs is a good thing? My son vapes,
Speaker 2: and I'm very worried about long term effects, says Mary.
Speaker 2: Someone says a lot of delis in armadoald so vapes
Speaker 2: and legal tobacco can get a pouts with thirty bucks.
Speaker 2: I know we can get stuff as well. It's yeah,
Speaker 2: it's quite quite common knowledge. I would have thought him
Speaker 2: for old fellas like me. Rob says, as an ex
Speaker 2: personal trainer who twenty eight clients are started to see
Speaker 2: the shift in the way people trained, especially women, as
Speaker 2: soon as Instagram and Facebook took off, and unfortunately the
Speaker 2: moment see a lot of videos of young ladies putting
Speaker 2: the workout videos online and as we know, not everyone
Speaker 2: is confident with their bodies, and we'll see alternatives to
Speaker 2: improve it. Yeah, Rob, that's the thing too, filming yourself
Speaker 2: in the gym, no doubt. Yes, No, have vapes won
Speaker 2: the war on vapes? The yeses are fifty fifty nine
Speaker 2: of the nose of four. Have you seen changes in
Speaker 2: the way people exercise? I'd love to hear from you today.
Speaker 2: One of our listeners is classic distraction. Let's have a
Speaker 2: crack at vaping when there's probably ten bigger issues in society.
Speaker 2: It's that anonymous correspondent. We try and go as many
Speaker 2: issues as we can each and every day. Probably do
Speaker 2: what have we got four hours? Probably do twelve stories
Speaker 2: a day, mate, if we can at least wonderble three
Speaker 2: eight eighty two. If you'd like to get in touch
Speaker 2: with us today. I have you heard about the police
Speaker 2: cells of the stadium, So I've known about them for
Speaker 2: a while, and I do remember when the stadium was
Speaker 2: built the police were at the time. We're having a
Speaker 2: fee bit of our antisocial activity, behavior lawlessness out at
Speaker 2: the birds Would train station. Now that's since calm down
Speaker 2: a fair bit. So they thought, great, we can have
Speaker 2: a cop shop at the stadium and it's close to
Speaker 2: the birds would train station. All well and good as
Speaker 2: that behavior has improved and that situation has improved, the
Speaker 2: cop shop and the cells are now only used on
Speaker 2: game day. And you would have heard you would have
Speaker 2: heard Corle say this morning to us there's been a
Speaker 2: hundred people through those cells since since twenty eighteen. I reckon,
Speaker 2: that's a fair bit, Kyle reckons. You know, what do
Speaker 2: you get thirty forty fifty thousand on average to every
Speaker 2: Optis game? And if there's only one going through the
Speaker 2: cells every couple of weeks, it's not a bad thing.
Speaker 2: So and Kyle is always looking for, you know, to
Speaker 2: a compliment that community on their behavior, which is fine.
Speaker 2: One double three A eighty two is the is the
Speaker 2: phone number. Jake Patrick, our news director, is with us.
Speaker 2: He joins me at the desk. You've been to the
Speaker 2: Premiers press conference this morning.
Speaker 29: Jake, Yes, good morning, Simon. Two more sleeps until state budget. Yes,
Speaker 29: you're pumped, very I'm very pumped, very pumped. It's one
Speaker 29: more sleep until state of origin, two more sleeps until
Speaker 29: the Dockers host Hessanton off to stadium twenty.
Speaker 2: Five million more sleeps until West Coast Winter flag. Correct,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to win a flag this year.
Speaker 30: I would have thought so.
Speaker 2: All right, Yeah, I'm getting ahead of yourself there. Well,
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to think in your own Conningwood Bathwater,
Speaker 2: trying to think who beats us by.
Speaker 30: No, Brisbane are frauds.
Speaker 29: And it was case in point on the weekend losing
Speaker 29: at home to GWS who don't have half their blokes.
Speaker 2: That's it's just he kicks seven, didn't he. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: all right like that.
Speaker 29: Yeah, anyway, I've been saying to all your Brisbane of
Speaker 29: frauds premiership hangover.
Speaker 2: And that's fine.
Speaker 29: They're the running premier. They're entitled to and before it's
Speaker 29: a year after. Let's get back on here. At the
Speaker 29: press conference this morning, Premier Cook, Yeah, Premier Cook, a
Speaker 29: couple of health ministers, so the Minister for Health Meredith
Speaker 29: Hammett and the Minister for Health Infrastructure John Carey. This
Speaker 29: is a project that was slated before the pandemic. It's
Speaker 29: an upgrade to junl Up Hospital. So the K Block
Speaker 29: is a new block that's been built up there in
Speaker 29: the northern Suburbs at jundle Up Health Campus.
Speaker 30: There's a couple of flaws.
Speaker 29: In that block that remain empty, still need fitted out,
Speaker 29: so there's going to be some money in the budget
Speaker 29: on Thursday to fit those rooms out. So it's looking
Speaker 29: like another sixty beds will be added to that facility.
Speaker 29: So that's a good result for a health system that's
Speaker 29: been on its knees for a few years now. So
Speaker 29: that's the latest pre budget announcement from the state government,
Speaker 29: twenty four million dollars in the budget to enable more
Speaker 29: public patients to access care at that facility. So Roger
Speaker 29: Cook was out there this morning with his two health
Speaker 29: ministers and their various portfolios. So it'll be yeah, I
Speaker 29: used to live up in the Northern Suburbs.
Speaker 30: I've been to the hospital before.
Speaker 1: But.
Speaker 29: There isn't one around there for a few kilometers. So
Speaker 29: interesting to hear from the listeners whether you know what
Speaker 29: sort of issues or if they're happy with the state
Speaker 29: of care up in the norse Than suburbs. So it
Speaker 29: looks like they'll be getting some more beds or some
Speaker 29: funding for some more beds in the budget which will
Speaker 29: be handed down on Thursday.
Speaker 2: All right, Jake, While you're here. You have been to
Speaker 2: many press conferences about Metronet.
Speaker 30: Yes, I have.
Speaker 2: You actually inadvertently souvenir a Metronet jacket the other week,
Speaker 2: but you had to give it back.
Speaker 30: Yeah, they called me, but you Yeah, they called me
Speaker 30: and asked.
Speaker 2: For it back because I mentioned on a So what
Speaker 2: I want to ask you the C class trains? Yes,
Speaker 2: is there? You've been on trains a lot and you
Speaker 2: follow up with interest, Is there less leg room? Do
Speaker 2: you think I.
Speaker 29: Haven't tuned into Because Simon you might know this about me,
Speaker 29: I'm a pretty generous bloke. I don't tend to sit
Speaker 29: on trains very often. I like to give my set
Speaker 29: up for people that might need it more so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very nice.
Speaker 29: I haven't really tuned into the leg room factor on
Speaker 29: either train. I know on the what it would it be?
Speaker 29: The B class train, the not so new ones, the
Speaker 29: middle I guess there's not a lot of leg room
Speaker 29: on those.
Speaker 30: So I've seen this story bubbling.
Speaker 29: Whether there's less leg room on the C class trains,
Speaker 29: I don't know, but if there is, that would be
Speaker 29: pretty uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's have a listen to Premier Cook spoke about
Speaker 2: the C series trains at the press conference, have a listen.
Speaker 31: Well, look, I don't have obviously specific details in relation
Speaker 31: to the driver training or the rollout of the trains,
Speaker 31: other than to say that part of the rollout means
Speaker 31: that we continue to learn, and this was part of
Speaker 31: the introduction of the B series as well. You control
Speaker 31: these things, but once you get into real time and
Speaker 31: actually on the job, that's when you really learn about
Speaker 31: all the nooks and crannies and the idiosyncrasies of the
Speaker 31: trains and you can continue to refine the model. No,
Speaker 31: not at all, and look, I think we need to
Speaker 31: be careful about the language we use in relation to this.
Speaker 31: This is a rollout of a new C series train
Speaker 31: made in WA and it's an important part of the
Speaker 31: evolution of our public transport system. It is safe and
Speaker 31: we continue to learn as we great these new C
Speaker 31: series models trains into our overall fleet. Well, as I've said,
Speaker 31: we have not received any advice that there's issues in
Speaker 31: relation to safety, but obviously we do take the driver's
Speaker 31: view seriously, which is the reason why we're continuing to
Speaker 31: modify the air conditioning arrangements in the cabin and while
Speaker 31: we're trialing new seats to see if that meets the
Speaker 31: needs of the drivers.
Speaker 2: So something's happened here. So Dylan Capeorn has the story
Speaker 2: page eleven of the West Today. Good Adel, and I
Speaker 2: reckon you are listening. Train drivers have slamed the locally
Speaker 2: made Sea Series railcars, and yet when Breakfast and As
Speaker 2: have tried to get hold of the union, they've got
Speaker 2: nothing to see here. Public commentary is not going to
Speaker 2: help the issue. So it seems like they're on the
Speaker 2: front foot. They had held a survey, but the rail
Speaker 2: train and bus union have scarped on this one. I've
Speaker 2: gone to ground, Jakie.
Speaker 29: I'm a firm believer of the saying where there's smoke,
Speaker 29: there is fire. I think that can apply to a
Speaker 29: lot of things, and I think it applies to this. However,
Speaker 29: it is quite simply bizarre that nobody wants to go
Speaker 29: I want to talk about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when they're in, they're quoted in the paper. Cheers, mate,
Speaker 2: Thank you Jake, thanks for bringing us up to date.
Speaker 30: You're very welcome.
Speaker 2: Thank you, ate, Jake Patrick from and news me in
Speaker 2: fact and news director. Gooday, Lizzie, how are you going good?
Speaker 2: Thank you? You're a you're like going on the gym.
Speaker 13: Do you absolutely. I'm a self confessed jym junkie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, lifting heavier weights, stretching, combination. What are you doing?
Speaker 13: Yeah, I'm a bit of a I can class myself
Speaker 13: as a bit of a hybrid queen. So I do lifting, running,
Speaker 13: pretty much, any sport, optical course, racing, heavyweights, yeah, hit
Speaker 13: training everything.
Speaker 2: So yeah, good on you. Feeling good, looking good.
Speaker 13: Feeling good, looking good. Maintain my fitness journey throughout both
Speaker 13: of my pregnancies. So definitely copped a lot of flats
Speaker 13: from the oldies. And you shouldn't be lifting when you're pregnant.
Speaker 13: But hey, yeah, nothing bad happened there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so what's give me a figure? What can you
Speaker 2: ben Can you do bench press?
Speaker 17: Yeah?
Speaker 13: I can bench I'm currently benching.
Speaker 16: Sixty but that's good.
Speaker 20: I will be.
Speaker 13: Working up to sixty five eventually. How many just so
Speaker 13: one rap that's my one rep max currently, So that's good. Yeah,
Speaker 13: not too bad. I'm not a professional weightlifter, but when
Speaker 13: you try and mix in running and marathons and things,
Speaker 13: you can't maintain the you know, the bulk strength as well.
Speaker 2: No, No, A good bit of core strength and a
Speaker 2: bit of all around strength. Good on you, Lisa, that's unreal.
Speaker 2: Would you agree with me that more and more women
Speaker 2: are lifting one hundred percent.
Speaker 13: I've definitely noticed the change in the last you know, say,
Speaker 13: I've been gimming since I was sixteen, so what that
Speaker 13: will thirteen? I don't know how idly I'm thirty three.
Speaker 13: You can do the math. I've been doing a long
Speaker 13: time and I've definitely noticed. I used to be the
Speaker 13: only girl in the big boy weight section as we
Speaker 13: call it, and now it's predominantly a lot of women,
Speaker 13: which is great to see.
Speaker 2: And you're at a public gym, a local government Jim
Speaker 2: marn't you.
Speaker 19: Yeah, I'm at a.
Speaker 13: Levels in the gym, so a big mix of age
Speaker 13: and variety of people go there. But I'm definitely seeing
Speaker 13: more girls, especially on the squad rack.
Speaker 2: Yep. Good to talk to you, Lizzie. Keep out the
Speaker 2: good work, look after yourself.
Speaker 13: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Lizzy, thirty three year old young mum who is lifting
Speaker 2: heavyweights and she's seeing more and more of it. That's
Speaker 2: she's from the Craigie Legters Center Gym, which is one
Speaker 2: of the bigger local government gyms. Around the bigger Leger
Speaker 2: Center gym, there's a massive gym Craigi. Good on your Lizzie.
Speaker 2: Really nice to hear from your phone. Lines are open
Speaker 2: one double three eight eighty two, three and a half
Speaker 2: minutes to eleven. Love to hear from you. Michael Keaton's
Speaker 2: legal name is Michael Douglas. He had to change it
Speaker 2: because of Michael Douglas. Going to ask the question after
Speaker 2: eleven o'clock today, have you changed your name or do
Speaker 2: you know someone who's changed their name not for marriage,
Speaker 2: change your name for some reason. It's eleven o'clock.
Speaker 1: Now on Perth six PR. This is Perth Today with
Speaker 1: Simon Beaumont.
Speaker 32: Bang As.
Speaker 2: The yes no question today, which will take through until
Speaker 2: one o'clock today, is very one sided, which we weren't
Speaker 2: expecting expecting you have vapes won the War on vapes.
Speaker 2: Sixty six yeses and four no's. We're talking about it
Speaker 2: this morning. Given the Federal Vapes Commissioner Aaron Dale is
Speaker 2: not going to be reappointed in her positions. He's only
Speaker 2: interim acting. That's why we're talking about today. That's the
Speaker 2: new bit in the story. So we're asking that question.
Speaker 2: And look a lot of our listeners have said, we
Speaker 2: know where to buy there's no enforcement. Police Commissioner Cole
Speaker 2: Blanche said, we're not enforcing it. It's not our job
Speaker 2: to see if you know, the vape shop in x
Speaker 2: y Zed Street he's selling vapes illegally. That's not our job.
Speaker 2: That's for the health department. And I don't see any
Speaker 2: just I don't know who at the Health Department walks
Speaker 2: around in a uniform with a sniffer dog and goes
Speaker 2: into these places. I genuinely don't know. And I've been
Speaker 2: around my mates when they've bought vapes heaps of times
Speaker 2: and it's easy. It's easy peasy, and they recognize you
Speaker 2: when you come. Mick in l O again. You want
Speaker 2: this one again? Yet? David us the question today? Have
Speaker 2: you ever changed your name? Or do you excuse me,
Speaker 2: do you know someone who's changed their name for a reason?
Speaker 2: Devo says, Hi Si, I've never changed my name, but
Speaker 2: that hasn't stoped a few of my mates calling me
Speaker 2: by a different name. And yes to your question of
Speaker 2: the day, I'll put you down as a yes. Meil
Speaker 2: Maka thank you. Aileen Simon, You, like many of us,
Speaker 2: are a bit filthy at the woefully inadequate performance of
Speaker 2: West Coast over the last three years, over the last
Speaker 2: few years, three and a half Aleen. Just think how
Speaker 2: awful and to moralize it must be for the newer,
Speaker 2: younger players who do put in effort, I always seem
Speaker 2: to lose and never experience a good times. That don't
Speaker 2: envy them, Thanks Aleen. I mentioned it yesterday on the
Speaker 2: show that I've you know, And there wasn't a great weekend.
Speaker 2: Rabbit has lost, Australia lost at cricket, East Perth lost,
Speaker 2: West Coast loss, memou Le didn't make the cut in
Speaker 2: the US Open, so it wasn't a great weekend for
Speaker 2: me personally. But you know, life goes on, Aileen. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's all has it all been a little bit ordinary,
Speaker 2: hasn't it? Three and a half years is a long
Speaker 2: time to not see any hope. Do you know someone
Speaker 2: who has changed their name one double three eighty two?
Speaker 2: Michael Keaton. Michael Keaton is a Hollywood blockbuster star, isn't
Speaker 2: he? He was in Birdman? I think he was in He's
Speaker 2: been in some rom comms. Michael Keaton. I'll look the
Speaker 2: list up, but Michael Keaton very very well known actor.
Speaker 2: Of course, his real name is Michael Douglas, but he
Speaker 2: couldn't be Michael Douglas because of Michael Douglas. So the
Speaker 2: Hollywood Actors Union only allows one person to work under
Speaker 2: particularly the name at the time, and Michael Douglas Kirk
Speaker 2: Douglas's little boy, he got to keep his So Michael
Speaker 2: Keaton changed his name and he picked up his new
Speaker 2: name out of the phone book. Michael Keaton, Michael Keaton,
Speaker 2: Have you changed your name? And why? One double three
Speaker 2: eight eighty two. This one here from Grumpy JB. Hi JB.
Speaker 2: Biggest news is the Iran Israel war. No coverage on
Speaker 2: here on six pr ands, I missed it. JB. Is
Speaker 2: in the news, mate, It's in just about every news bulletin.
Speaker 2: It's the reason Donald Trump is leaving. The G seven
Speaker 2: Summit is in the news, mate. So there's so much
Speaker 2: of it to cover for a show like Hours to
Speaker 2: print story to TV story, primarily because of the imagery,
Speaker 2: of course, it is. It is our news wonderble three
Speaker 2: eight eight two. Hello Carol.
Speaker 27: Simon, how are you very well?
Speaker 2: Thank you, thanks for asking.
Speaker 33: I'll tell you a funny story about a name change.
Speaker 33: My daughter, her name is Jennifer Louise, and when she
Speaker 33: went and got a diver's license. I mean we're talking
Speaker 33: here fifteen years ago. They transposed the spelling and it
Speaker 33: came up as Jennifer Lowsey and so we didn't know.
Speaker 20: Justph thought.
Speaker 33: We got home and we phoned them up and she said, oh, no,
Speaker 33: you're going to have to come in and pay for
Speaker 33: a name change. And we said, well no, look, this
Speaker 33: was your mistake. And they kept insisting that we pay
Speaker 33: for this name change, and we finally said no, that
Speaker 33: they'll you know, all right, then we'll do it for free.
Speaker 33: And they said you have to bring your births to
Speaker 33: beginning and we said, hang in a minute, you took
Speaker 33: a copy of a verse and forget when you did it.
Speaker 33: So big fight anyway, So they finally changed. But the
Speaker 33: problem is that she now has an alias. Whenever she
Speaker 33: does a police check or anything, she has to put
Speaker 33: in that she is Jennifer Louise, also known as Jennifer Lousei.
Speaker 33: So because there's no way to delete office system once
Speaker 33: you're there, she is also Jennifer Lousi.
Speaker 2: So it's a bit funny, sad, it's a bit sad,
Speaker 2: it is a bit funny. Thanks Carol. Jennifer LOUSI, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know why. Reminded me of the story yesterday
Speaker 2: the blokeo park for three weeks and the Hillaries car park,
Speaker 2: and the car park was rebitchamized, rehash folded so the
Speaker 2: ashfader around his car put in the line markings. The
Speaker 2: car park was rebitchamized by the Department of Transport Marine Division.
Speaker 2: How could the Department of Transport Marinevision not talk to
Speaker 2: the Department of Transport Land Division and say, can you
Speaker 2: find out who owns this car and we'll give him
Speaker 2: a call? How did that not happen? One double three
Speaker 2: eighty two love to hear from you today on have
Speaker 2: you ever changed your name? One double three at two
Speaker 2: is the is the phone number if you'd like to
Speaker 2: cause have you changed your name? Peter says. If the
Speaker 2: police aren't going to police, the vapor shops and miners
Speaker 2: will open one up, Yes, Peter, that he can sell,
Speaker 2: you know, convenience sort of stuff as well in newspapers
Speaker 2: and lollies everything. One double three A two ivan says
Speaker 2: Premier Cook said the Wa trains are made in w
Speaker 2: A true or false ivan? They are assembled in w A.
Speaker 2: I believe they are assembled in w a the parts
Speaker 2: come from elsewhere. And I do remember Paul Murray doing
Speaker 2: a double paide spread in Saturday's West probably three months
Speaker 2: ago about this issue about it's being claimed as you know,
Speaker 2: w A jobs and w A this and w A that,
Speaker 2: But there is some question there are some question marks
Speaker 2: about where the staff are from and where the parts
Speaker 2: are from. Ivan one, double three two. Have you changed
Speaker 2: your name or do you know someone who's changed their name?
Speaker 2: Murray says, our family had a tradition at the first
Speaker 2: born Mayle's name the same as their father, and my
Speaker 2: nephew was born, my brother decided to swap the first
Speaker 2: and middle names around. When my nephew termed twenty one,
Speaker 2: he changed his name back, so it's the same as
Speaker 2: granddad and great granddad, it says Murray. Thanks Murray. How
Speaker 2: much does it cost to change your name these days? Muz,
Speaker 2: it used to be one hundred and seventy five dollars.
Speaker 2: Used to be called deed pol didn't it. What's it
Speaker 2: called now? If you want to change your name. Robbie Beaver,
Speaker 2: now traffic man, said Michael J. Fox had the same issue.
Speaker 2: He was Michael A. Fox, but the Canadian actors killed
Speaker 2: forced him to change his name, and one of our
Speaker 2: listeners couldn't come on air reported about half a dozen
Speaker 2: half a dozen police cars marked and unmarked flying along
Speaker 2: Great Easton Highway from Redcliffe towards Midland. Believe there's a
Speaker 2: b shuit going on thanks to that caller. Not too
Speaker 2: many weeks go by. Well, we don't have a police
Speaker 2: chase in the in the city. I changed my name
Speaker 2: to Juan Powerball, says Jan Powerball. Rockey, I can't, I
Speaker 2: can't read that out Roco. It's a family show. Thanks mate,
Speaker 2: thanks for listening, appreciate it. We'll take a break. It's
Speaker 2: fourteen and a half minutes past eleven. I'm Simon Beymont.
Speaker 2: Johnny Manager says, when I got married, my wife's maiden
Speaker 2: name changed from butt b U double T to ball
Speaker 2: b A double L. It's just not cricket, Johnny Manager,
Speaker 2: Good John. And then fifty seven years ago, next week,
Speaker 2: fifty seven years married, John Bold to your mate, World
Speaker 2: done wonderble three eight two. Troy from Collige ad a
Speaker 2: Troy Gary Hocking from Geelong changed his name to Whiskers
Speaker 2: for a promo for the cat food he did. Mate,
Speaker 2: that's completely fine and that did happen, Seawan says, maybe
Speaker 2: cole Blanche all be a little concerned about the vape
Speaker 2: shops when they start fire bombing each other like in
Speaker 2: the Eastern States, as a large number of the vape
Speaker 2: shops also celelegal tobacco. Sean, hasn't happened to you yet, thankfully.
Speaker 2: I always get a general sense that these convenience stores
Speaker 2: are not organized crime oriented, if that makes sense, Sean.
Speaker 2: They don't look at or feel like at their sort
Speaker 2: of mum and dad family businesses. I could be wrong,
Speaker 2: could be wrong. When this money involved and illegal money involved,
Speaker 2: these things can happen. Have vapes won the War on vapes?
Speaker 2: The yeses are seventy one and the nose of four.
Speaker 2: I'd like to do a story now that's appeared in
Speaker 2: Wa today about the lifespan a vessel called the Nangara.
Speaker 2: The Nangara one signed by Woodside, but it disappeared and
Speaker 2: turned into a ghost ship for six years. And it
Speaker 2: raises the question what happens with big industrial vessels when
Speaker 2: they are decommissioned, Where do they go? Where can they
Speaker 2: be decommissioned? And is there a better way of doing it?
Speaker 2: And more is a spokesperson with the Maritime Union of
Speaker 2: Australia joins us. Now good ay, Ange, Yeah, hi there,
Speaker 2: how are I Yeah, good to talk to you. So
Speaker 2: tell us about this particular one, the Woodside vessel, the Nangara.
Speaker 2: What happened to it? Where did it go?
Speaker 34: Yeah?
Speaker 19: Look, the name Gara, it's pretty symbolic actually of a
Speaker 19: larger problem that's going on off the coast of Australia.
Speaker 19: So the name Gara. It finished up its job for
Speaker 19: Woodside in twenty eighteen, and so once it was disconnected
Speaker 19: from the oil field, you know, the oil field was
Speaker 19: finished up, it was retired. So the vessel sailed off
Speaker 19: oil was toad actually over to Malaysia and it's sat
Speaker 19: there at anchor ever since, untouched basically, you know, deteriorating
Speaker 19: and just rotting in Malaysia there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and what did it do when it was a
Speaker 2: working vessel?
Speaker 19: Yeah, so it was an FPSO or a floating production platform,
Speaker 19: So it was you know, we draw up the resource
Speaker 19: from under the seabed and then process it and exupport it.
Speaker 2: Okay, So it's a sorry Angel said, two hundred and
Speaker 2: seventy meters long. It's a massive bit of kit can
Speaker 2: store nine hundred thousand barrels of oil. So it went
Speaker 2: to Malaysia.
Speaker 19: Then what happened, Well, it's been sitting there idle. It's
Speaker 19: out of mind, out of sight, I guess, you know,
Speaker 19: over the and we just we see that as a
Speaker 19: bit of a cop out basically from dream companies who
Speaker 19: have You know, I've made some pretty nice profits over
Speaker 19: here in Australia, and now when it comes time to
Speaker 19: decommission these assets or you know, they're actually liabilities, they're
Speaker 19: they're just sending them away to be you know, I
Speaker 19: guess someone else's problem.
Speaker 2: So and you know, we covered stories here on the
Speaker 2: show before our boats get dumped in the Swan River,
Speaker 2: they get dumped in little marinas. People just walk away
Speaker 2: them because they can't afford them, can't afford the insurance.
Speaker 2: The upkeep is that are you sort of suggesting that's
Speaker 2: the same with these big multinationals. They're shipping their big
Speaker 2: bits of kid awakes. They don't want to pay form anymore.
Speaker 20: Look, it certainly seems that way.
Speaker 19: So there's a pattern emerging, and that there's a whole
Speaker 19: bunch of reasons for it. You know that these companies
Speaker 19: don't have to pay any bonds or you know, financial
Speaker 19: assurances when they start up an offshore project. So essentially
Speaker 19: when it comes time to clean up their mess like
Speaker 19: as there obliged to do, they don't particularly want to.
Speaker 19: They don't want to fork out. But anyway, we actually
Speaker 19: have capacity here in Australia. We've got a skilled workforce,
Speaker 19: you know, very ready to do the work. And so
Speaker 19: what we need is a little bit of a stronger
Speaker 19: hand by the regulator and also a bit of.
Speaker 20: Political will.
Speaker 2: So to recycle them or to better decommission them in
Speaker 2: Australian waters, whatso they can be used again or someone
Speaker 2: else can use the assets somehow.
Speaker 19: Yeah, look, if they can be refurbished and used somewhere else,
Speaker 19: you know, that's fantastic, that's probably a good thing to do.
Speaker 19: But what we see time and time again is as
Speaker 19: it's been deliberately run down. Of course, they know that
Speaker 19: they're going to be decommissioned one day, and so they
Speaker 19: don't pay the money on the maintenance and the upkeep
Speaker 19: of these things. You know, our members can attest to this,
Speaker 19: and so there's some pretty surely practices going on just
Speaker 19: to save a buck, and that's at the cost of safety. Also,
Speaker 19: it's not just these large hulking tankers, it's all of
Speaker 19: the platforms out there. There's you know, over sixty sixed
Speaker 19: platforms that need to you know eventually once the resource
Speaker 19: has been extracted and needs to be cleaned up. Just
Speaker 19: the companies know this, but they're not.
Speaker 24: Ready to do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Sure, talking to and Moore, a spokesporus from the
Speaker 2: Maritime Union of Australia and just on the Nangara going
Speaker 2: off Malaysia there it would appear that where it was
Speaker 2: anchored it's an ise and off Brunei, there were dozens
Speaker 2: of ships there. So this is this is the go
Speaker 2: to spot, is it?
Speaker 19: It really is? I mean it's obviously a matter for
Speaker 19: the Malaysian government to regulate that space, but it does
Speaker 19: seem to be a little bit more lax than other jurisdictions.
Speaker 19: And so yeah, we do see things being dumped their
Speaker 19: ghost ships. As you said, yeah, all right, it's a
Speaker 19: pretty shoddy practice.
Speaker 6: I know.
Speaker 2: In the article of the whday R called Madeline King,
Speaker 2: the Minister, the Resources Minister has has weighed into the
Speaker 2: procurement process is ongoing. You're confident that there'll be some
Speaker 2: political will here.
Speaker 19: Look I really hope. So, you know, that's all of
Speaker 19: the rhetoric that's been coming from the federal government. It's
Speaker 19: been very very strong, you know, around actually kicking off
Speaker 19: this dehinising industry in Australia. They say that all they've
Speaker 19: estimated around sixty billion dollars of benefit that can be Actually,
Speaker 19: you know, we stand to see that here in Australia.
Speaker 19: We don't want to see it in Malaysia or even
Speaker 19: to Norway where some of the assets seem to be going.
Speaker 19: So look, I would I really hope that Minister King
Speaker 19: does you know, intervene where the regulator has has let
Speaker 19: us down.
Speaker 2: So I'm getting a bit of correspondence in here Ange
Speaker 2: on our text line and cause of phoning in. I
Speaker 2: think Dateline might have covered a story about ships being
Speaker 2: chopped up in and off Bangladesh. Have you heard about
Speaker 2: that part of it as well?
Speaker 19: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So there's an international treaty that's about
Speaker 19: to come into force called the Hong Kong Convention. It's
Speaker 19: around the safe recycling of ships, and it's an attempt
Speaker 19: by the international community to head off the depths and
Speaker 19: the injuries that keep happening in sites like Bangladesh. So
Speaker 19: hopefully Australia will actually be a signatory to that because
Speaker 19: as of yet we're not. And you know what that
Speaker 19: requires is a hazardous inventory of a ship and for
Speaker 19: the receiving dismantling place to be able to handle all
Speaker 19: of the hazards on there. And so we're looking at
Speaker 19: things like naturally occurring radioactive material that's on board these
Speaker 19: vessels and on the rigs, on the platforms as well.
Speaker 2: And yeah, it's a bit of a head downside to
Speaker 2: to you know, this massive industry we have up north,
Speaker 2: isn't it when you know these vessels have to go
Speaker 2: somewhere and they are expensive, so could they be better
Speaker 2: decommissioned in Australia? And thanks for your time, good chat.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Yeah, thank you. By and Moore a spokesperson
Speaker 2: from the m u A, the Maritime Union of Australia. Interesting, hey,
Speaker 2: so that's a WA Today story. That's a Nangara owned
Speaker 2: one signed by Woodside disappeared for six years and it
Speaker 2: was angeredoff an island of Bahrain sort of in Malaysian
Speaker 2: waters from what we can understand. Thanks for listening in
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Speaker 2: didn't realize. Do you live in a colder sack? There's
Speaker 2: a story in the Horizons magazines today in the rac
Speaker 2: there are about a thousand colder sacks in Western Australia,
Speaker 2: in suburban Perth and in fact in some parts of
Speaker 2: country Wa. South headn I think has got a heap
Speaker 2: of colder sacks from memory. Do you live in a
Speaker 2: colder sack? What's it like? Because we're seeing less of
Speaker 2: them being built for varying reasons. Do you live in
Speaker 2: a colder sack? Hilton Park's got them, south Headland's got them.
Speaker 2: I think maybe places like Stratton. I've got a lot
Speaker 2: of colder sacks as well, having driven into Stratton once
Speaker 2: by mistake and then couldn't find my way back out Stratton,
Speaker 2: Hilton Park, South Headland, cold of sack central. Do you
Speaker 2: live in a colder sack? Is it any good?
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Speaker 2: Yeah so rac Horizons magazine have estimated this probably one
Speaker 2: thousand cold de sacs through Western Australia. Do you live
Speaker 2: in one or you lived in one? Zeno?
Speaker 35: Gooday, Hey Simon, Yeah, we lived in a coulder sack
Speaker 35: for about three years.
Speaker 34: While we're building our new home.
Speaker 35: It was quiet street. You get a lot of drivers
Speaker 35: that are lost. Our coulder sac ended against the Tonguin
Speaker 35: Highway in on Walter Road.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yep, yep, yeah yeah, any good mate, Any
Speaker 2: good living there? Little little parties and stuff.
Speaker 35: Yeah yeah, it was good parties close to Charlie's Charlie's
Speaker 35: food mark.
Speaker 26: It was pretty handy.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, all right. Good to hear from your made.
Speaker 2: Colder sacks are great for neighborhood street parties, is Debbie,
Speaker 2: especially around Christmas time? Thanks Debbie. Yeah, my live grew
Speaker 2: up in a colder sack house I think one, two, three, four,
Speaker 2: five six houses and they used to end that this
Speaker 2: street in a really share of boar. So all the
Speaker 2: people in the street put in for a boar balls
Speaker 2: at the top house and everyone gets two hours of
Speaker 2: bore wader every day. I think that's legal. One double
Speaker 2: three ay two. We're building less cold de sacks, apparently
Speaker 2: this one here from Lyle Hi Lyle, I live in
Speaker 2: a colder sack off a cold de sack heroin close
Speaker 2: in Balajura. So we love it so quiet, so much
Speaker 2: more usable space out in the front of the house.
Speaker 2: Cheers Lyle. Thank you mate, good to hear from you.
Speaker 2: Gary says David Bowie changed his name as there was
Speaker 2: a David Jones in the Monkeys. There was Gary Davy
Speaker 2: Jones and David Bowie's name was David David Bow's name.
Speaker 2: What's David Jones? One double three add two Jeff. Yes,
Speaker 2: it's great and better within one kilometer of the bay.
Speaker 2: I think that's Jeff from Safety Bay. Yeah, there's a
Speaker 2: few down in Rocking Hand. Mate, isn't there my word, yes,
Speaker 2: my word, yes. I live in a cold sack in Sterling.
Speaker 2: Total of two houses. Mine and the neighbor. Don't think
Speaker 2: ever move. It's the best, says way.
Speaker 15: No.
Speaker 2: One double three heighty two is the is the phone
Speaker 2: number if you want to give us a call today.
Speaker 2: We're going to talk to a planning institute Fella in
Speaker 2: just a moment. So colder sacks are being let use
Speaker 2: less and less by town planners. Let's do this, max
Speaker 2: on pers six PR.
Speaker 1: The stock market reports.
Speaker 2: Oh, he Claire joins us from Sure and Partners. Do
Speaker 2: you even a colder sacoe?
Speaker 32: I do, Simon, and I love it. Not a lot
Speaker 32: of passing traffic. And all the neighbors are very close friends.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's nice. Nice man like you and you'd make
Speaker 2: friends easily. That sounds good. Thanks, You're welcome. No problems
Speaker 2: CSL having your drug approved for sale.
Speaker 34: Yes.
Speaker 32: CSL are the largest Australian healthcare company and they've come
Speaker 32: up with a new drug to treat a pretty rare
Speaker 32: genetic condition that triggers uncontrolled and random swelling in people's bodies.
Speaker 32: Fortunately it only occurs in about one in fifty thousand people.
Speaker 32: The new drug treatment has already been approved for sale
Speaker 32: in Australia, Europe, in Japan, but now today the US
Speaker 32: Food and Drug Administration has said it's okay to sell
Speaker 32: in the US. So CSL will launch the new drug
Speaker 32: called and debris there immediately. Cslhares haven't had an overly
Speaker 32: positive reaction to the news. They're actually down by eighty cents,
Speaker 32: trading at two hundred and thirty eight dollars thirty. The
Speaker 32: Australian rail company Horizon we yesterday awarded contracts by BHP
Speaker 32: to handle all of their rail transport for BHP's Australian
Speaker 32: copper operations, and that is estimated to be worth one
Speaker 32: point five billion dollars in revenue to arise in over
Speaker 32: the next ten years. Horizon shares are only slightly stronger today,
Speaker 32: they're trading at three dollars eleven and BHP and Rio
Speaker 32: Tinto have had some positive news themselves. They're jointly trying
Speaker 32: to develop a massive underground copper mine in Arizona in
Speaker 32: the US called Resolution Copper. They received their environmental approvals
Speaker 32: in the first term of Donald Trump, but that was
Speaker 32: rescinded by the Biden administration and now they've got their
Speaker 32: approvals again. But it's estimated that any potential mining is
Speaker 32: still ten years away, and the discovery was first made
Speaker 32: back in nineteen ninety five, so these things do take
Speaker 32: a very long time.
Speaker 34: To get up.
Speaker 32: BHP shares today are down by thirty Centsury Ore Tinto
Speaker 32: are steady at one hundred and seven dollars ten and
Speaker 32: the Treasurer, Jim Chalmers has made his first public comments
Speaker 32: about yesterday's takeover bid four Santos. He hadn't really added much.
Speaker 32: He said that this has got a long way to
Speaker 32: run yet, and he will be waiting for the advice
Speaker 32: of the Foreign Investment Review Board. The share market remains
Speaker 32: very skeptical that the takeover will succeed. Santos shares are
Speaker 32: basically steady at seven dollars seventy five, which is still
Speaker 32: a dollar fourteen below the potential takeover price of eight
Speaker 32: dollars eighty nine a share. In the boarder market, it
Speaker 32: looks to be marking time today. We're all waiting to
Speaker 32: see if the US gets involved with some sort of
Speaker 32: military action against Iran. The all odds is down by
Speaker 32: four points. We're at eighty seven hundred and seventy.
Speaker 2: Sermon, eight seven and eight seven seventy.
Speaker 34: That's it.
Speaker 2: That's awesome. Thanks o eat cheers, mate, have a good day.
Speaker 2: Talk to you tomorrow. Thanks so oh clear from Shore
Speaker 2: and Partners Martin. You live in a colder sack or
Speaker 2: on a colder sack, yes, yes, simmon idea, Yeah, whereabout
Speaker 2: mate there in Kingsley? Yeah? Nice?
Speaker 7: And I think Kingsley must be coulder sack Central.
Speaker 2: Got a few of them.
Speaker 36: We seem to have a lot of them up here.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And do you live on a colder sack or
Speaker 2: in one?
Speaker 34: In one?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I reckon you live in one, don't you? Yeah?
Speaker 37: Yeah, been in there forty years.
Speaker 2: Get on well with the neighbors, mate, Yeah.
Speaker 7: And the great thing is there's only three or four
Speaker 7: to get to know because we're a very.
Speaker 12: Small colder sack.
Speaker 2: Yeah nice mate, Thank you mate, thank you very much
Speaker 2: for ringing Martin's and Kingsley lives in a colder sack.
Speaker 2: We are building less of them, apparently. I'd love to
Speaker 2: hear from you today. Do you live in a colder sack?
Speaker 2: Is it any good? I live in a coldersack? And
Speaker 2: Riverton says Margaret. Hello, Margaret's backs onto Varland the voland
Speaker 2: a Margaret. People have started parking in our street walking
Speaker 2: through to catch bus to work. That's the thing. If
Speaker 2: you're in a colder sack and it's got an alleyway,
Speaker 2: it's got a little an alleyway to another street. People
Speaker 2: do use them as thoroughfarees, don't they. Hammersley Hamersley is
Speaker 2: perse pioneering cold de Sack suburbs is David of Greenwood.
Speaker 2: Thank you, David. Hamersley's also the honeymoon capital of the world.
Speaker 2: Glenn says, life is a cold de Sack starts out
Speaker 2: promising me, ends up in a dead end, and Dave says,
Speaker 2: and Max, I don't know if you can help us
Speaker 2: with this around request. Can you play the guy on
Speaker 2: your show when you're talking about cars and who's describing
Speaker 2: the speedo warning sound ding ding ding Please? How did
Speaker 2: you go?
Speaker 27: Max?
Speaker 2: I found it? Bowie, you have let's have a crack, mate.
Speaker 21: Once you get to one hundred klonbas an hour, yeah,
Speaker 21: this is going back from nineteen seventy up to nineteen
Speaker 21: seventy nine.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 21: Once you get two one hundred k's you get a
Speaker 21: ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding.
Speaker 2: Ding yep, and get the picture. Thanks Dave, Thanks for
Speaker 2: thanks for remembering that. I've forgot about that. Mate gets
Speaker 2: dark about us six, Thanks Dave, thanks for that, Thanks
Speaker 2: for remembering. Alice Petrowsky is the vice president of the
Speaker 2: Playing Institute of Australia, of Australia in the w a
Speaker 2: division of all of that joins him now Okada, Alex, Yeah,
Speaker 2: really good to talk to you. So story in the
Speaker 2: rac Horizons magazine that we're building less and less cold
Speaker 2: of sacks. Some of them have a kind of a name,
Speaker 2: don't they. They starts with R. I think ram Barn.
Speaker 2: What's that note? That's for the system of the colder
Speaker 2: sacks And.
Speaker 37: It's a Radburn principle. I think it came up to
Speaker 37: the garden city.
Speaker 12: Planning back in the day.
Speaker 2: Radburn, that's it. I think I've seen it in south
Speaker 2: Head and Alex if I'm if I'm not, if I'm right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 37: There's a few. Then there's a few in and around.
Speaker 6: Perth as well.
Speaker 2: And are we building less than maid and why?
Speaker 34: Well, I think we are.
Speaker 37: As we grow up in the city, we realize that,
Speaker 37: you know, we've tried the garden principle and it really
Speaker 37: works in low density areas. But as our city continues
Speaker 37: to densify, we're looking at improving connections, making it easier
Speaker 37: for people to walk and ride and take alternative forms
Speaker 37: of transport and kind of shifting the focus away from
Speaker 37: building a city around a car to building a city
Speaker 37: around people and other forms of transport.
Speaker 2: It's interesting, Alex. We're talking about it today and people
Speaker 2: are ringing in and they love living in a colder sack.
Speaker 2: You know, they've got three or four, five, six neighbors
Speaker 2: get on really well, theome street parties, looking after each
Speaker 2: other's kids, having a good time, sense of community. It's
Speaker 2: interesting that guys like yourself and planners see other benefits
Speaker 2: or see the benefits of not building in cold de sacs.
Speaker 37: Now, well that's right. Well, I mean all those things
Speaker 37: are absolutely right. And I grew up in essentially a
Speaker 37: colder sake. It was a circle. But there's no reason
Speaker 37: why those you know, getting to know your neighbors, having
Speaker 37: parties and you know, meeting each other on the street.
Speaker 37: That can happen on many different types of streets, so
Speaker 37: it just doesn't have to be a cold a sake.
Speaker 37: While it does slow the traffic down because you know
Speaker 37: there's only one way, you know, this can happen all
Speaker 37: through different types of streets and boulevards around the area.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have the south Head and could de sac
Speaker 2: principle is extraordinary. Having driven around it, Alex, like you
Speaker 2: get stuck. He gets stuck. He can't he never find
Speaker 2: him way out to the main road in the South
Speaker 2: heaven one. I don't know what the other ones arelike,
Speaker 2: but it's not always easy. I think Stratton is very similar.
Speaker 2: Stratton add in Midvalve is very similar. I think from memory.
Speaker 2: Sometimes they're hard to get out of, aren't they.
Speaker 28: Ah, that's it.
Speaker 37: You can pretty much get lost in Bella Juris sometimes
Speaker 37: as well. And that's another principle as well. We kind
Speaker 37: of need to make our road to be easier for
Speaker 37: people to understand and get around. And instead of making
Speaker 37: someone walk a kilometers, if you've got a street going
Speaker 37: through or you know, a lame way like they have
Speaker 37: in some places, it can really shorten the distance. And
Speaker 37: that's really important for people who might not be as
Speaker 37: mobile or might.
Speaker 25: Not have a car.
Speaker 2: Yeah, talking to Alex Petrotski. Alex is the Vice President
Speaker 2: of the Planning Institute of Australia and he's VP here
Speaker 2: in w A. Alex. More broadly, you know, you sometimes
Speaker 2: hear criticism. You know, Stevenson Avenue wasn't planned properly back
Speaker 2: in the day in the fifties, and freeway wasn't planned
Speaker 2: to be wide enough. How does the Planning Planning Institute
Speaker 2: these days have an input into WA Planning Commission initiatives
Speaker 2: or local government initiatives? How is it? Are we getting
Speaker 2: better at it?
Speaker 37: Look, I think we are growing up and we are
Speaker 37: getting better. We have we build on our relationships and
Speaker 37: we've got a great relationship with the state government and
Speaker 37: the Minister for Planning and we're essentially our thought leader,
Speaker 37: representing our members at the fourth front of some of
Speaker 37: the best planning examples. Now sometimes we're thinking fifty sixty
Speaker 37: years down into the future and we've got a big
Speaker 37: role in community education as well. So sometimes there can
Speaker 37: be some peer of change and things being different, but
Speaker 37: it's really important that the planning is the true and
Speaker 37: the planners out there take the community on a journey
Speaker 37: and actually show them the benefits of how we can
Speaker 37: do things better.
Speaker 2: Yeah all right, Hey, really good to talk to you today, Alex,
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you, bar She's Alex Petrowski, Vice President
Speaker 2: here in WA of the Planning Institute of Australia. Coulder
Speaker 2: sacks are being used less and less bytown planners as
Speaker 2: we try to densify get people moving through suburbs, make
Speaker 2: suburbs more connected in terms of pedestrians and the light
Speaker 2: and getting us to train stations of public transport. After
Speaker 2: hear from you today, are you do you live in
Speaker 2: a cold sack? Or have you lived in a cold
Speaker 2: de sac? We've asked John Nichols do you live in
Speaker 2: a colder sack? John says it's in and he is
Speaker 2: the authority. John does live in a colder sack. It's
Speaker 2: a very nice, one beautiful little bit of a hill.
Speaker 2: And that hasn't John very nice colder sack? John lives
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Speaker 2: Fred says, I think I read that colder sack means
Speaker 2: the bottom of the bag. It does, Fred, I just
Speaker 2: looked it up. Be after you send in the text.
Speaker 2: I think means the bottom of the bottom of the sack.
Speaker 2: Colder sacks the Uel Sac. Thanks Fred. One of our
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Speaker 34: Know Simon, Yes, I live in a culder sack nice
Speaker 34: off Odin Drive. So both ends of Odin Drive coulder sacks.
Speaker 2: Yes, and yeah that's true.
Speaker 34: We are we are between the Mitchell Freeway mode and drive.
Speaker 34: So there's two coulder sacks where I am. So when
Speaker 34: you come off all Place, there's a culder sack in
Speaker 34: All Place, and there's a coulder sack in Martelly Place.
Speaker 34: And then if you go over the freeway in gwell
Speaker 34: Up near the gwell Up shopping center, more coulder sacks. Yes,
Speaker 34: it is a collection.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's heaps around there. I think where you are.
Speaker 2: There's those little lakes as well, on those cycle ways,
Speaker 2: in those little ornamental lakes, Pete, Yeah, yeah, yeah, cool. Peter.
Speaker 2: If you lived at the other end, you could walk
Speaker 2: to the Odin Tavern.
Speaker 34: Well I live. I live when I was much fitter.
Speaker 34: I'm about fifteen minutes walk from the Odin Tavern Simon.
Speaker 2: Yeah so yeah.
Speaker 34: And then actually I used to be able to cross it. Well,
Speaker 34: the road used to go all the way there.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's right.
Speaker 34: Then they closed that end off and you have to
Speaker 34: walk through a path.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, you do have to walk through a path. Pete.
Speaker 2: I'm going to check this, but I'm pretty sure where
Speaker 2: near where you live and that part of Odin Road
Speaker 2: was on the nineteen sixty two marathon course for the
Speaker 2: Commonwealth Games.
Speaker 6: Is that right?
Speaker 24: Yeah?
Speaker 2: It was out and back from Prairie Lakes, went down
Speaker 2: there down Telford Present, Ok, where the bridge is, and
Speaker 2: I freak think it went down your way mate. I'm
Speaker 2: going to check that when down Odin Road as well.
Speaker 2: What I'm Pete. Thanks for having a chat to us,
Speaker 2: Thank you mate. Ten and a half minutes to midday,
Speaker 2: Pete con Hi, Kathy, Hi, how are you going good?
Speaker 2: Thank you? You live in a cold set.
Speaker 38: It's called a close oh yes, yep.
Speaker 16: Yeah, so it's only got about I think eight houses
Speaker 16: and it's also got a driveway that leads to a
Speaker 16: little over fifties village sort of thing as well.
Speaker 2: Okay, what suburb Rockingham? Oh yeah, okay, there's plenty in Rockingham, isn't.
Speaker 16: There there is? Yeah, yeah, but we absolutely love it.
Speaker 16: It's the best thing, nice and social for you, very sociure.
Speaker 16: We have drinks on someone's lawn usually every Friday night.
Speaker 2: Very nice.
Speaker 16: And then yeah, we've been the last two weekends we
Speaker 16: all got together and watched an Eagles game and it's
Speaker 16: good for us because we're Dockers supported, so that was enjoyable.
Speaker 16: And yeah, and then the weekend before there was another
Speaker 16: birthday party. So there's often and just you know, whenever
Speaker 16: you're putting out your into you'll have a chat and
Speaker 16: good to sort of know what's going on in the neighborhood.
Speaker 16: We've all got sort of different things to share, and yeah,
Speaker 16: and just to look out for each other. And we've
Speaker 16: got each other's phone numbers and got a group chat
Speaker 16: on Facebook Messinger. Yeah it's great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very nice. Nice place to bring up a family.
Speaker 24: Hey beautiful.
Speaker 14: Yes, we love it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well done. And I and I have nice
Speaker 2: to bring up nice kids. Hey, Kathy, you it was
Speaker 2: really nice having a chat to you I didn't really
Speaker 2: like the Eagles thing, but I understood it. Oh sorry, yeap, Hey,
Speaker 2: I'm Kathy. Nice to talk to you. How good? How
Speaker 2: good is Kathy won double three eight eighty two. Hi, Margaret,
Speaker 2: got some advice for me? He hello, Margaret, you've got
Speaker 2: some advice for me.
Speaker 15: The other day you said you went to Bunning something
Speaker 15: for your MinC.
Speaker 2: Yes, I did. Yes, some big some big cheese. You
Speaker 2: got some big cheese traps and some big cheese sachets.
Speaker 15: If you mixed peanut paste and buy carbonated soda together,
Speaker 15: make a little walls. He put them out for the
Speaker 15: mist eat and they can't art for boop, and they smell.
Speaker 2: Up, they blow up. What do you mean, Well, well,
Speaker 2: they get all bloated, they actually physically blow up.
Speaker 15: They explode, and then it's fay bo cats eat as well.
Speaker 2: So so you're around your house, you got you got
Speaker 2: a friend, a special friend around and a mouse crawls
Speaker 2: out in front of it explodes in front of a Margaret.
Speaker 2: That's not ideal, is it? Hey? Margaret? I spoke to
Speaker 2: Shannon last yesterday. You know, she fixes things, the Queen
Speaker 2: of clean all of that, And she told me to
Speaker 2: get some snake poo because because snakes, you know, are
Speaker 2: the predator of mice and rats. But yeah, I can't.
Speaker 2: I can't get it. I round the I rang the
Speaker 2: reptile place in Henley Brook and this old bloke we
Speaker 2: have got any of that stuff made. It's the winter,
Speaker 2: so I don't know where to get it. Thanks, thanks
Speaker 2: you help Margaret exploding my exploding my, It's just what
Speaker 2: I need.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Bye see yeah, bye see bye. Marret's having a good time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you can't get snake poop. So I rang the zoo
Speaker 2: they haven't got any. Rang the reptile house in Henley Brook.
Speaker 2: They haven't got any. This is all on the back
Speaker 2: of Shannon Lush saying you need viper poo because mice
Speaker 2: are scared of vipers because they predate upon them, you know,
Speaker 2: they eat them. I can't get it. I don't know
Speaker 2: where it is. Pedo haven't got any. Pet barn haven't
Speaker 2: got any. Might be one of those Shannon Lush specials.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Can't get shut can't get snake poo,
Speaker 2: vipa poo in w A that I can see. Hello,
Speaker 2: Alan oh cold of sex, Yeah, good mate, thank you.
Speaker 25: I can't beat it, so I've yeah, we've probably lived
Speaker 25: here over around thirty years plus. So yeah, back in
Speaker 25: the day it was probably also like sand Dune this
Speaker 25: sort of thing and all that. But it's just like
Speaker 25: growing up, you know, the kids and all that safe
Speaker 25: haven sort of thing. And now it's all grand kids
Speaker 25: in the street and all moved out. But you know
Speaker 25: they've been through the licensing and all that.
Speaker 2: But where are you.
Speaker 38: I'm in Port Kennedy, all right.
Speaker 25: Yeah, yeah, Christmas lights every year, so it's popular with
Speaker 25: people driving around and you can't get act the driveway
Speaker 25: but yeah, it's all fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well don't mate. Yeah, Port Kenley's got plenty of
Speaker 2: Colder Sex. Well Up does as well. That was mentioned
Speaker 2: by Peter earlier. Well Up's good a Christmas lights as well.
Speaker 2: Got some mates who live and well Up and they
Speaker 2: they got little kids and you know, one fan would
Speaker 2: go to the footy and the other family look after
Speaker 2: the kids. They've got their very own babysitting system in
Speaker 2: the cold de sack. Did they sean, good morning? How
Speaker 2: are you good, mate? Colder Sex?
Speaker 39: Yeah, well I'm.
Speaker 6: Currently doing in England work.
Speaker 39: But we grew up in Belladura in Shawview Terrace. My
Speaker 39: father's daughter Buss Warring in the Coulder Sack, and all
Speaker 39: the neighbors put together a basketball team used to play
Speaker 39: in Laga. Eventually, one neighbor made a bunch of complaints
Speaker 39: and the council gave us a letter to say that
Speaker 39: we had to remove the ring.
Speaker 2: But winned at number.
Speaker 39: Fifty five Shawby Terrace, and Carl Bruton was number fifty
Speaker 39: five for the Wildcat So he got ahold of.
Speaker 37: The story and came over on a basketball clinic at.
Speaker 36: Our house, which was great.
Speaker 2: Did he really?
Speaker 39: Unfortunately the basketballing didn't survive, but all the kids thought
Speaker 39: were there were superstars getting to meet that's their favorite player.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very much. So what year do I think was
Speaker 2: he still playing for the Wildcats? Then?
Speaker 34: I think he'd just retired.
Speaker 39: Yeah, I think today his son was playing at the time.
Speaker 6: I think it was in ninety nine or two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, cool mate, good story, Sean, Thank you mate. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the Cold de Sack, Hey, little social harbors, street parties,
Speaker 2: plenty of them. Balladura Alex Petrowski, our expert. He said
Speaker 2: that Balladura is a famous Could de Sac Venue. Four
Speaker 2: and a half minutes to midday. Thanks everyone, who's called
Speaker 2: in today, All in the running to be our caller
Speaker 2: of the day. A double pass to go and see
Speaker 2: the Terracotta Warriors, the Chinese Terracotta Warriors. They will be
Speaker 2: at Buller Bard It the WA Museum between the twenty
Speaker 2: eighth of June and February next year. And that's a
Speaker 2: ripper prize. Thanks Taz for organizing that. So ring in today,
Speaker 2: How good good? I can't wait to see that twenty
Speaker 2: eighth June through to February. One double three A eighty
Speaker 2: two is the phone number. We'll come back in just
Speaker 2: a moment. Stay listening. Have vapes won the war on vapes?
Speaker 2: The yes has already won the nose. For just a reminder,
Speaker 2: Oli Peterson has got a big couple of days coming
Speaker 2: up with the state of Origin, the King of the
Speaker 2: outside broadcast air man, Oli, So make sure you're listening,
Speaker 2: Simon viper poo. Why don't you call the WA Rep
Speaker 2: Dole Center. I did, I did? In the nice man
Speaker 2: said we ain't got any He said, I was listening
Speaker 2: to suxbr today. I thought you might call me. Haven't
Speaker 2: got any because it's winter. Brenda says, well up, definitely,
Speaker 2: it's good sign but currently no bridge over the lake.
Speaker 2: That's right. Brennan had a walk around there on the
Speaker 2: week that bridge is still not there. I'd love to
Speaker 2: hear from you today. Best mousetracks brought from Woody self
Speaker 2: baited clean death, no blood and guts a rat one
Speaker 2: works will also bonus no poisons. Therefore to feed the birds.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Bernie, thank you very much. Twelve o'clock now.
Speaker 1: Until one. This is Perth today with Simon Beaumont's on
Speaker 1: Perth six pr Ian Moss in the middle of by river.
Speaker 2: How good, Yes, no question today, which will take through
Speaker 2: until one o'clock today. Have vapes or our vapes winning
Speaker 2: the war on vapes? Have vapes won the war on vapes?
Speaker 2: Is it already over? Police Commissioner told us today he
Speaker 2: can't police it. He won't police it. It's not his job,
Speaker 2: fair enough, can't argue with cole And it's the Health
Speaker 2: Department's job to enforce the illegal sale of vapes and
Speaker 2: vaping accessories. Well, there's very little policing vapes her everywhere.
Speaker 2: They're on mind sites, they're on airport terminals when people
Speaker 2: come back from mind sits. They are dead set everywhere.
Speaker 2: And I know where to go and get them, and
Speaker 2: I reckon A lot of my mates do too. One
Speaker 2: double three eight eighty two have vapes. One of war
Speaker 2: on vapes. The guest is eighty one on the nose
Speaker 2: of four. Going to speak to James Morley in just
Speaker 2: a moment, former bass player from the Angels. James is
Speaker 2: you know, does some nice beautiful stuff with bloom as
Speaker 2: we know, but also he's a hard rocker when he
Speaker 2: wants to be, when it suits him, throws a black
Speaker 2: t shirt on and gets the Gibson out. We're going
Speaker 2: to ask him about the remake of It's a Long
Speaker 2: Way to the Top. The ac DC songs fifty years old.
Speaker 2: There's talk of remaking the video in the back of
Speaker 2: that flatbed truck. A lot of those buildings don't exist anymore.
Speaker 2: You may have heard Forty talking to Carl and Milsey
Speaker 2: about it. Today we'll talk to Jimmy Morley in just
Speaker 2: a moment. It's one of Australia's great rock and roll
Speaker 2: film clips, isn't it. So we'll ask you that question today.
Speaker 2: The great Australian rock and roll film clips, probably from
Speaker 2: the Countdown era. I reckon one double three a eighty two.
Speaker 2: We've been sent some pictures of us what it looks
Speaker 2: like a seal or a sea lion into the show
Speaker 2: just recently. We're trying to work out where it is.
Speaker 2: There's a sea lion on a female sea lion, thank
Speaker 2: you Ann, Thank you Sean, on a beach somewhere, and
Speaker 2: it looks we can sort of see some of the
Speaker 2: the parts of the Freemount of Port in the background.
Speaker 2: So we think it's been potentially between Codders Slow and
Speaker 2: Port Beach, or between Layton and the Port beach. A
Speaker 2: bit hard to tell sea lions lying on its side,
Speaker 2: you know, they do when they're tired or sick. They
Speaker 2: do wash up every now and then. There was that
Speaker 2: one up at Sorrento all those years ago, Stephen Sielberg
Speaker 2: and these are the big sea lions, the big ones.
Speaker 2: But this one on a beach at the moment, so
Speaker 2: we think possibly Port, possibly light and round cable, you
Speaker 2: know where that non existent surf break is where the
Speaker 2: artificial reef is round there. It's around there somewhere. It's
Speaker 2: a female sea lion, we believe in the photos have
Speaker 2: been sent into us. It's definitely latent, is it, yes,
Speaker 2: thank you Laighton. We found the bend sign. So the
Speaker 2: Bend signs came into being after Ben Gerins was killed
Speaker 2: by a shark down near Falcon And the Ben signs
Speaker 2: are a really good idea, aren't there The red and
Speaker 2: green signs. They've got a number on them. So if
Speaker 2: you ever get into stripe on the beach, just fund
Speaker 2: an abates. You can say I'm at CT three fifty
Speaker 2: or whatever and the ambos can get there. So we
Speaker 2: believe it is a latent beach because of the bend sign.
Speaker 2: We also believe DBC a Department of bio Diversity, Conservation
Speaker 2: and Attractions, mean to check it out and it's just resting,
Speaker 2: which they do, you know when they get tired. One
Speaker 2: double three eight two. Lots of advice on how to
Speaker 2: get rid of mice. Gary says if he brought a snake,
Speaker 2: not only would you have pooh, but possibly no mice. Thanks.
Speaker 2: It's scary. Look, I've had I've caught sixteen of them
Speaker 2: in the big cheese traps, sixteen in probably or probably
Speaker 2: sixteen days, little tiny ones. The block nearby has been cleared,
Speaker 2: so yeah, they're in the house. They've got in the
Speaker 2: house somehow. I've killed sixteen of them, and it's not good.
Speaker 2: And Margaret wants me to give them buy carbon soda
Speaker 2: and peanut butter, so they blow up and explode in
Speaker 2: front of you, which is less than ideal. Margaret, Thank you,
Speaker 2: Robin says, should give me some python poo and a
Speaker 2: shed a shed skin, which apparently rats and mice don't like,
Speaker 2: and we'll avoid. Thank you, Robin, appreciate that. One double
Speaker 2: three eight eighty two. Do you think the vapes have
Speaker 2: won the war on vapes? Jacko of Burswood says no,
Speaker 2: the war is only just beginning. We'll fight them in
Speaker 2: the shopping walls, on the wharfs, and if you're less
Speaker 2: much other than John, Michael Howsen will take them off you,
Speaker 2: says Jacko. Jack. I didn't completely understand all of that,
Speaker 2: but think thanks for listening. In It's past twelve, so
Speaker 2: I guess it's time to have a cooking sherry. Hey, mate,
Speaker 2: One double three A two is the phone number today.
Speaker 2: A Quantus trainee captain who was commanding a flight from
Speaker 2: Canberra passed out briefly. I think this is his first
Speaker 2: day on the job. Passed out briefly in the cockpit
Speaker 2: of a buying seven three seven, So he landed at
Speaker 2: Sydney Airport and then he passed out. This is last Tuesday,
Speaker 2: QF eighth four, one hundred and thirteen passengers and eight
Speaker 2: crew crowding three pilots. So the trainee captain suffered what's
Speaker 2: been described as an incapacitation. After the clane landded and
Speaker 2: clear of the runway. Trainee captain, first day on the job,
Speaker 2: plane lands, he passes out, has an incapacitation. What happened
Speaker 2: to you on the first day of work? He has
Speaker 2: something like that happened to you on the first day
Speaker 2: of you're of a new job. One double three ay
Speaker 2: two's the phone number. First st I worked for a
Speaker 2: radio station. This was on a missap. This was amazing.
Speaker 2: A fellow was killed by a shark at north Cottislow.
Speaker 2: It was incredible.
Speaker 14: You know.
Speaker 2: I always feel sad when that anniverse comes around for
Speaker 2: the family. They have to relive it, and there's often
Speaker 2: media articles about it. But that was my first day
Speaker 2: at work and it was extraordinary and it started that
Speaker 2: space of great white shark attacks that we saw through
Speaker 2: West Australia. The first one back in two thousand and one.
Speaker 2: That's my first day. What happen to you in your
Speaker 2: first day of work? One double three ay two is
Speaker 2: the phone number. Love to hear from you. Ring in
Speaker 2: one double three eight atty two and you could win
Speaker 2: a double past the owned see the Chinese Terracotta Warriors
Speaker 2: when they're at the museum the from June right through
Speaker 2: to February of this year. Given the fact you said
Speaker 2: you had a rodent free Max, that's not a very
Speaker 2: good vertisement for them if you've got a heap of mice.
Speaker 2: Just saying Damien, it does work the Max, but they've moved.
Speaker 2: They've moved to another part of the house, so I
Speaker 2: might need more than one good.
Speaker 20: A Darren, mister Beaumont, first time call, a long time listener. Yes,
Speaker 20: I had a missap on my first day at work.
Speaker 20: I was fifteen and I was a roof tiler, so
Speaker 20: I sold screw the roof on my first day and
Speaker 20: my boss said come on, hurry up, as my legs
Speaker 20: were dangling down the rafters.
Speaker 27: Hurry up, Yeah, hurry up.
Speaker 20: Then days, then days you are allowed to say hurry
Speaker 20: up if you hurt yourself.
Speaker 2: It's not where you're supportive, is it. Hey? Darren, what
Speaker 2: do you I've never asked you this. What do you
Speaker 2: do now? You're not a roof tiler? Stay?
Speaker 20: No, I can't do that anymore because everything hurts. I'm
Speaker 20: I'm a building supervisor. Yeah, I've been doing that for
Speaker 20: twenty years.
Speaker 2: You've been nearly every day you've been at work. You've
Speaker 2: won a polo shirt, haven't you.
Speaker 15: Ah?
Speaker 20: Actually, yes, you are correct.
Speaker 2: Thanks, Thanks dads, good on your mate. Thank you. Dazz
Speaker 2: has moved to laughing at his own material, which is
Speaker 2: which is a nice development for him. Fourteen and a
Speaker 2: half minutes past midday, going to be to James Morley
Speaker 2: in just a moment. He has been in the tribute
Speaker 2: band Bond, but not forgotten so he likes He's ACD
Speaker 2: the Melbourne City Council of Keen to recreate the ACDC
Speaker 2: music video long Way to the Top or the film
Speaker 2: clip as we used to call it on the back
Speaker 2: of the truck with Bond and the bag type bagpipes.
Speaker 2: There's a countdown video made fifty years ago. And I
Speaker 2: think I think it was Swanson straight that Jimmy Morley
Speaker 2: would join us in just a sec our question to
Speaker 2: you is the great rock and roll the Australian rock
Speaker 2: and roll videos film clips. Quarter past twelve, trainee quantas
Speaker 2: pilot has landed a plane with a couple of other
Speaker 2: captains on board, and it has promptly blacked out. So
Speaker 2: everyone's saved one hundred and thirteen passages on board. But
Speaker 2: not a great first day at work? What's happened at
Speaker 2: your first day at work? Or school day?
Speaker 34: Rob got up?
Speaker 2: They made what happened.
Speaker 40: First at school? High school? The metalwork teacher told us
Speaker 40: not to put got turn the machine off, and don't
Speaker 40: put the bagnets down, and he put them down straight
Speaker 40: up and lost all his fingers straight up up. No,
Speaker 40: he is about the whole all his fingers. Yeah, and
Speaker 40: he's calmly put his hands up in front of us
Speaker 40: and said, I'm off to the nurse. So we're all
Speaker 40: the girls are crying and god, man, first period of
Speaker 40: metal work?
Speaker 2: What's what?
Speaker 6: First period?
Speaker 2: What school?
Speaker 3: Was that?
Speaker 2: Canting?
Speaker 41: Oh?
Speaker 2: Man? So all fingers on one hand.
Speaker 40: Or the fingers or both hands. He kept his thumbs
Speaker 40: but lost his fingers.
Speaker 34: Hands.
Speaker 2: When was this like them? Sixteen nineteen?
Speaker 34: I think it was ninety eight.
Speaker 40: I can't even tell you now. Nineteen eighty four, I
Speaker 40: think I think somewhere around there.
Speaker 2: Did he ever come back to work?
Speaker 40: I never saw it. I think they banned the Magnat
Speaker 40: machines after that. He actually turended off at the machine.
Speaker 40: But it was actually a foldy switching machine.
Speaker 41: I think that's what happened.
Speaker 40: Oh no, it wasn't his soult.
Speaker 2: Oh well, that's that's terrible catastrophic. Thanks mate. I think
Speaker 2: I don't know what a magnet machine is either. A
Speaker 2: twenty minutes past twelve sounds like you shouldn't have them
Speaker 2: at schools. Did a mark?
Speaker 6: Hey both?
Speaker 36: Yeah, Mike. It was actually my second day so, and
Speaker 36: it was also my last day working for a company
Speaker 36: that sold appliances. They're longer one bust. And it was
Speaker 36: a franchise arrangement, and I went to day two. I
Speaker 36: went to a national meeting and had to break up
Speaker 36: a fight between the franchise and the franchise.
Speaker 2: Alls nice.
Speaker 36: That was day two and I thought, I'm.
Speaker 2: Not hanging around.
Speaker 41: That was it?
Speaker 2: No who won the who won the fight?
Speaker 36: It let's call it a draw. But it was for long?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 27: Wow?
Speaker 2: And that was it? What do you do? How long?
Speaker 27: Befo?
Speaker 2: We got another job.
Speaker 14: Week?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 34: Problem?
Speaker 2: Cheers mate, thank you. Second day at we're breaking up
Speaker 2: a fight between the franchisee and the franchise chise. It's
Speaker 2: twenty one minutes past twelve o'clock. Remember this.
Speaker 32: Here, it is.
Speaker 2: Cracking song, fifty years old. Great video. That's what we're
Speaker 2: talking about today. I think we used to call the
Speaker 2: film clips back in the day. Saw it on Countdown
Speaker 2: ac DC. On the back of the flatbed truck heading
Speaker 2: through Melbourne, Bond Scott with the bagpipes, people walking along
Speaker 2: side the truck on the side of the road. James
Speaker 2: Morley heavy Judy Museo bass player, guitarist, singer, songwriter joins me. Now, gooday, James,
Speaker 2: morning mate. How you doing going well? You've played that
Speaker 2: song a few times, haven't you? In your various iterations
Speaker 2: so or three? Good song, A good song in it?
Speaker 12: Yeah?
Speaker 2: It goes all right, don't it does? Does go well?
Speaker 2: Is it your favorite ac DC film clip?
Speaker 39: My favorite?
Speaker 12: This is a film clip? Oh blimy. I don't know.
Speaker 12: It's like all of them.
Speaker 34: I can't pick one.
Speaker 12: A lot of my children.
Speaker 2: I like jail Break Jimmy with the you know he
Speaker 2: made it out with a bull of his back and
Speaker 2: one of the couple of young boys get shot. I
Speaker 2: think ostensibly that's a good one. Thunder strikes a good video.
Speaker 12: Yeah, that's right. I do a lot of the jail
Speaker 12: Breake ones for a classic. It's so naff looking back
Speaker 12: at it. But back then it would have been like
Speaker 12: high tech stuff, you know, all the bombs going off
Speaker 12: in the quarry and all that.
Speaker 2: That's right. I forgot about the bombs. It was a
Speaker 2: bit hokey that era, James, the Countdown era, we sort
Speaker 2: of as kids grew up watching it and they were
Speaker 2: just yeah, they were some of those videos, but they
Speaker 2: were they were so bad. They were good, weren't they.
Speaker 12: Yeah, that's the thing. It's a bit like a trainer,
Speaker 12: you know, you can't pull yourself and look it away.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, James. I wonder how they'll do it. I mean,
Speaker 2: you've bet you've been around music production, recording and video
Speaker 2: production as well. I wonder how they'll do it. I
Speaker 2: wonder if they'll try to, you know, different singer, older
Speaker 2: blokes now. I wonder they'll try to recreate the vibe.
Speaker 2: I wonder how they'll try and do it.
Speaker 20: I'm not so sure.
Speaker 12: I mean, back in those days, I think it didn't
Speaker 12: it cost them like a thousand thousand bucks or something
Speaker 12: to make that clip back in the day, and it
Speaker 12: wasn't it wasn't much to it. But I think these days,
Speaker 12: you know, with that many Akadaka fans floating around, I'm
Speaker 12: not sure the bars get away with getting through the
Speaker 12: middle of Melbourne with gridlock.
Speaker 2: Yeah, good point, But I mean in terms of.
Speaker 12: The song itself, I mean, the band has never performed
Speaker 12: live since Bonder, and I think they only did it
Speaker 12: on a few occasions with Bond back the early days anyway,
Speaker 12: So Brian sort of sees that song as Bond's big,
Speaker 12: big moment with the band. It was kind of that
Speaker 12: song that really propelled them at the end of the day.
Speaker 12: So yeah, I'm not sure what's going to go on
Speaker 12: with this one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I know. I'd heard three hundred and eighty
Speaker 2: bucks for the video production in total, and I think
Speaker 2: the Countdown guys did it right. So I mean, it's
Speaker 2: it's an absolute classic. That's interesting that Brian Johnson so
Speaker 2: he essentially retired it, did he.
Speaker 12: Yeah, well, I said that they tried a couple of
Speaker 12: times live back in the seventies. According to Mark evans Zell,
Speaker 12: bass player but Bond wasn't really much of a big
Speaker 12: pipe player anyway, I'm not sure would have sounded any good,
Speaker 12: but I did. Actually I went to sound check. I
Speaker 12: think it was the ninety five ball Breaker tour and
Speaker 12: they were playing at the Bearswood Dome and I went
Speaker 12: to sound check and they were actually running the song
Speaker 12: because they were thinking about playing it at the show.
Speaker 12: And I remember Brian was looking for our old mate Scheena,
Speaker 12: the singer from the Poor He was skinny, skinny, I
Speaker 12: need the words, I need the words for the long
Speaker 12: the top song. And they ran a sound check where
Speaker 12: they didn't actually end up doing it at the show.
Speaker 12: So a so far I'm was aware of that.
Speaker 2: It's probably about the only time, Yeah, as close as
Speaker 2: I ever got, just in an inner sound check talking
Speaker 2: about James Morley, local gun muso and has played that
Speaker 2: song many times in various tribute bands and cover bands
Speaker 2: and all of that. This is give us a call today,
Speaker 2: your favorite, given that video and given the topic of
Speaker 2: choice today, what's your favorite sort of Australian rock videos
Speaker 2: from the Countdown era? That was a beauty. There were
Speaker 2: plenty of them, and some of them were in the
Speaker 2: Countdown studio. Weren't they James and that always had They
Speaker 2: always looked to always look the same. But some of
Speaker 2: the some of the actual as we call them, film
Speaker 2: clicks back in the day, still hold up a right,
Speaker 2: I reckon, mate, what are you up to? What's next?
Speaker 2: What's blow them up to.
Speaker 12: Blue? We're about to head off to Sydney tomorrow. We're
Speaker 12: doing a bunch of shows with our Fleetwood Mac show.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 12: But she's got planned and yeah, got a few little
Speaker 12: overseas trips and all that sort of stuff happening with
Speaker 12: the band as well. So yeah, lots of things on
Speaker 12: the horizon at the moment. So today's my lay on
Speaker 12: a couch day and then tomorrow we'll hit it right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right mate, Well, good luck break a leg.
Speaker 2: I know lots of people that know you guys from
Speaker 2: cruise ships and know her from cruise ships. She says
Speaker 2: a bit of that, doesn't she.
Speaker 20: Yeah, we did.
Speaker 12: About three or four last year and they're actually a
Speaker 12: lot of fun. You don't get to play that much.
Speaker 12: I think you play about two hours in total for
Speaker 12: over a week, and the rest of the time we
Speaker 12: just sigure out and the buffet try and all the
Speaker 12: different foods, so I put it on.
Speaker 41: A count.
Speaker 30: Yeah yeah, no world.
Speaker 2: Hey mate, thanks for picking up the phone today and
Speaker 2: we'll get our listeners to ring in with their favorite
Speaker 2: Australian film clips from back in the day. Good on
Speaker 2: your mate, give a cuddle for me and we'll see
Speaker 2: you around. Hey, all the best mate, See mate. James
Speaker 2: Morley was in the Angels for All, played bass in
Speaker 2: the Angels and there's a heavy rocker when he needs
Speaker 2: to be. One double three eighty two is the phone number.
Speaker 2: Love to hear from you today. Those great music videos,
Speaker 2: the Australian music videos that was That was the quintessential one,
Speaker 2: wasn't it. Jail Break by ac DC was good and
Speaker 2: funny so bad it was good as well, you know, rifles, sirens,
Speaker 2: they were chasing. He made it out with the bullet
Speaker 2: in his back, all of that great Australian rock music,
Speaker 2: film clips and videos. Love to hear from you today,
Speaker 2: Are we okay? Max? To have a chat to our
Speaker 2: man Bruce. Bruce is remote from us today. He's gearing
Speaker 2: up for the big Oliver Peterson OB twenty seven and
Speaker 2: a half minutes past midday, phone lines were open One
Speaker 2: double three eight two the great Australian rock videos. Love
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Speaker 42: Bruce Willshan, Perth's traffic Leader six PR.
Speaker 2: The Melbourne City Council are looking to reboot, reheat, rehash
Speaker 2: the classic ac DC film clip from back or from
Speaker 2: fifty years ago. It's a long way to the top
Speaker 2: on the back of a flatbed truck. So will the
Speaker 2: boys be up for it? There are older fellows these days.
Speaker 2: Will Brian Johnson want to do it? We'll angus want
Speaker 2: to do it. So we're chasing your thoughts today. Song
Speaker 2: classic Australian rock songs, the videos. We're after the videos
Speaker 2: if we can. It's a twenty eight and a half
Speaker 2: minutes to one o'clock. Let's take pause. Let's go to
Speaker 2: our newsroom. John Nichols, Good afternoon.
Speaker 43: Hey, here's Simon. Good afternoon. The state go government has
Speaker 43: announced Thursday's budget will include twenty four million dollars for
Speaker 43: new hospital beds in the Northern suburbs. Sixty new beds
Speaker 43: will fill the remaining empty floors of the new K
Speaker 43: Block at journal Up Health Campus, bringing the building's capacity
Speaker 43: to just over one hundred. A seventeen year old boy
Speaker 43: has died after his car collided with a truck in
Speaker 43: the Midwest. Police say he was driving on Brand Highway
Speaker 43: about fifty kilometers south of Geraldon when it's Toyota Corolla
Speaker 43: collided with a truck about half past three yesterday afternoon.
Speaker 43: Lake Munger is now known as carl Up, its original
Speaker 43: Wadjak nunga name that means place where the home fires burn.
Speaker 43: The town of Vincent says the final endorsement required to
Speaker 43: implement the change has been received from the Geographic Names Committee.
Speaker 43: There was going to be a five year transition period
Speaker 43: for the new name, but after community consultation, the vibe
Speaker 43: was no, don't worry about it, so they're changing it now. Yeah, no,
Speaker 43: exactly Betteran Dockers Michael Walters and Jageromr are likely to
Speaker 43: make their football returns this weekend. Coach just Alongma says
Speaker 43: he hopes to see them both line up in the Waffle.
Speaker 43: Still know Alex Pearce for this Thursday's match against Essendon.
Speaker 43: He needs at least another week to get over a
Speaker 43: shin injury. Eighteen degrees at the airport showers increasing today
Speaker 43: down to twelve overnight showers and twenty one tomorrow.
Speaker 40: More news at one.
Speaker 2: Thanks John, Do you have a classic Australian rock film
Speaker 2: clip that you liked?
Speaker 43: I always used to like watching Metal as Anything's video efforts,
Speaker 43: and I particularly enjoyed Berserk Warriors, the one about Abba you.
Speaker 2: Got that somat Thank you, John, very very good. Here
Speaker 2: we Go Again is very happy mutilation, stray song, mutilation, jubilation,
Speaker 2: and it's about a lovely weird set of blokes as
Speaker 2: a collective. Martin Plaza. What did Regiemond Bassa say? Were they?
Speaker 2: Mombass is my original family name. The rest of my
Speaker 2: family will change their names. What's what's his original names?
Speaker 2: It will come to me It's Donahue, could be thinks
Speaker 2: Donahue something like that. Thank you, John, very very good choice.
Speaker 2: Berserk Warriors by Mental as Anything. A great film clip,
Speaker 2: a song about a good work John Ben gooday.
Speaker 38: Yeah mate, rest of my family wish I have adopted.
Speaker 32: Sorry all good mate.
Speaker 38: This song's around about eighty one. I think I love
Speaker 38: the paranoia in the clip. There was men at work
Speaker 38: who could have been now. I used to have a
Speaker 38: lot of mates were big fans of the Late night
Speaker 38: dropping and yeah, I could relate related a lot to
Speaker 38: this clip. So yeah, it was a beauty.
Speaker 2: Yeah it was. And Colin Hayes look and his eyes
Speaker 2: were perfect for this song. With him, we had the
Speaker 2: those opposing the opposite ends of the eyeball spectrum thing
Speaker 2: going on?
Speaker 25: How's that going?
Speaker 38: Without the mates dropping in?
Speaker 2: Here has been? Yeah? What a song? What a song
Speaker 2: George and the Dragons have on Sunday Session. How good
Speaker 2: knocking sound? What I'm being?
Speaker 27: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Good video. We're after the classic Australian videos. Melbourne City
Speaker 2: Council are considering rebooting, rehashing, remaking. It's a long way
Speaker 2: to the top. On the back of the flatbed truck.
Speaker 7: Get a Troy, Hey, Samon Montelle, are you sir?
Speaker 2: Good Troy, how are you.
Speaker 7: Hey your Friday mate Murphy. Do you think he'll be
Speaker 7: able to find that new place he's got to.
Speaker 34: Go to now?
Speaker 2: You never know, you know, hope, Hope springs eternal with
Speaker 2: Murphy usually usually usually on time and on budget, and those.
Speaker 7: Chairs as well. You were talking about.
Speaker 3: Memory, doesn't it does Troy?
Speaker 28: Mine is.
Speaker 15: Jimmy Man.
Speaker 7: Yes, and he's I would looking remembering the video clip Simon.
Speaker 7: I was in a I reckon was in front of
Speaker 7: he was singing in front of a steel words fairness
Speaker 7: and I would classic as his very own personal sauna,
Speaker 7: and I reckon it would have been bloody heart.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I do remember flames in it. Mate.
Speaker 2: I thought it was a cane field, but maybe it
Speaker 2: was a maybe it was. I could be wrong. I'll
Speaker 2: have a look. I'll have a look while we're playing it.
Speaker 7: It's still bloody art Yes man by Jimmy Varn. Thanks
Speaker 7: so many.
Speaker 2: Thanks, thanks Troy, Troy from Collie.
Speaker 22: Matts.
Speaker 2: Can you see the video there? I can try and
Speaker 2: find it for you. No, that's all right, that's we're
Speaker 2: just trying to because we are talking about the videos today,
Speaker 2: the film clips, as we used to call them. There
Speaker 2: was Flames that plenty, wasn't that Troy, Thank you, Hello, Melanie,
Speaker 2: Hi Simon.
Speaker 24: Not so much video clips, but Russell Markay's extravagant ones
Speaker 24: back in the early agies. They were pretty cool, but
Speaker 24: not on that topic. Having James one was nice to
Speaker 24: hear James and just made me think of I went
Speaker 24: to Woolies in swan View last week and over their
Speaker 24: store radio they were playing the Angels song Am I
Speaker 24: ever going to see Your Face again? And as an
Speaker 24: original Boga girl, I've got to say I'm very disappointed
Speaker 24: in the swan View locals. They were along happening in
Speaker 24: the store.
Speaker 2: No rejoinders, no that yeah, I would be. I don't
Speaker 2: think when the Angels put that together, I don't think
Speaker 2: they ever thought that it would be played in the Woolies.
Speaker 24: Well I suppose that's the the age we're at now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't know you from Boga. Yeah originally bloody
Speaker 2: good on you. Where do you live now?
Speaker 15: Now?
Speaker 24: I'm in Bullsbrook.
Speaker 2: Oh fancy just as bog but country Bogan. Thanks Milany,
Speaker 2: thank you, Melanie, very very good.
Speaker 41: Here it is.
Speaker 21: Thanks.
Speaker 2: It's a song about heartbreak. It's a lament with rejoinders.
Speaker 2: Thanks Mel, good on you. I remember this one, Gary,
Speaker 2: how are you.
Speaker 5: Good?
Speaker 41: Simon? I think it's Max, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah Max. This is Gary Gary Max.
Speaker 34: Hello, God, Hey my ones? Yeah tied Moray Gang from
Speaker 34: the Wonderful Out the Production Company clip. I remember.
Speaker 25: I'm pretty sure it's a countdown right.
Speaker 38: They're on a barge in front of the opera house,
Speaker 38: so they'll be magnifs. Anyway, no crosses to this young
Speaker 38: hitch trying to get in the car, because that's.
Speaker 34: A classic song. Dinglish doesn't start that.
Speaker 25: That's giving Thanks mate, that's a jolly good day.
Speaker 2: Thanks Gary. Yeah, no spoilers, but get out of my
Speaker 2: Car eighty miles or something was the Gary get out
Speaker 2: of my Car. Seed Murray another one of those English
Speaker 2: artists who did really well in Australia, John Paul Young
Speaker 2: and John English, all the Pommy Boys from ac DC
Speaker 2: or the Scottish Boys. A lot of Pomi artists went
Speaker 2: really well in Australia, didn't they because of Countdown? Thanks Gary,
Speaker 2: Jump in my car.
Speaker 17: I want to take.
Speaker 1: Jump in my car. It's a battle walk on your own.
Speaker 2: Come on, no, thank you sir. The boys doing female
Speaker 2: backing vocals there. Thanks gas very good at nomination.
Speaker 27: Get a todd they Bowie.
Speaker 41: Yeah nothing, no better country Bogan than Cawgooley mate, the
Speaker 41: Blue Sky Mining we got all song.
Speaker 28: It was there that day.
Speaker 41: They actually came and had some beers in our pub
Speaker 41: after after they did some filming. It was bloody hot.
Speaker 41: It was north of forty degrees. Yeah, right, so and
Speaker 41: the Fibergade, the Fibergade played them fire the posers into
Speaker 41: the air to get the rain when the rain came down.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, in the end the rain comes down.
Speaker 41: Yeah, that was the Fibergade, our mates, that the Fibergade
Speaker 41: and Cawgary did that, and and look it was you know,
Speaker 41: it was a great moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a good song. And I know you know, I
Speaker 2: mean they obviously wouldn't been able to go to Whitney
Speaker 2: home Mamatee would have bellowd in the in the place
Speaker 2: back then, I suppose it would have closed town. But
Speaker 2: that's a cool story, mate. So what what mine did
Speaker 2: they use that all those sort of backdrops with the
Speaker 2: tailings in the background. Where was that?
Speaker 41: Yeah, well there's I mean back then this is early
Speaker 41: nineties Calgoli, yep, so there was there was still plenty
Speaker 41: of old sort of structures around the joint that they
Speaker 41: would have been able to get in and around. They're
Speaker 41: all gone. Now it's a big hole on the ground
Speaker 41: thanks to Alan Bond.
Speaker 2: Yeah, big super pit, isn't it, The big super pit.
Speaker 13: Yeah.
Speaker 2: They swallowed up the pub, did one of the pubs,
Speaker 2: didn't it?
Speaker 14: Yeah?
Speaker 41: The bolder block, which was a ripper, you know it was.
Speaker 41: They pulled it down brick by brick and the it
Speaker 41: was always the story was that they were going to
Speaker 41: rebuild it somewhere, but that was never going to happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do remember that. I remember going there once.
Speaker 2: So I did a Hash House Harriers run in Cawgooley
Speaker 2: Toler and we ran about four meters and yeah, we probably.
Speaker 41: Came into our pub because we our pub was a
Speaker 41: regular stop off for the Hash House Harriers.
Speaker 2: He probably did. Yeah, probably served you, Bud, Yeah, he
Speaker 2: probably did, Matey. Thanks for the memory. Thanksus. So that's
Speaker 2: great story. I didn't realize Blue Sky min Mining was
Speaker 2: filmed in in cal rip A yarn. Mate. Thanks Todd,
Speaker 2: have a good day. Thanks for ring this not all,
Speaker 2: but thank you cheers. Mate. Here we go, Skye Bye sky.
Speaker 1: The start Harpers Black to the shareholders.
Speaker 2: How good it's Blue Sky Mining filming cow Hello Chantell,
Speaker 2: Hello Bowie, how are you going very well? Thank you?
Speaker 13: That's good.
Speaker 44: My nomination is solid Rock by Gowenna.
Speaker 2: What's good about the video? Remind me?
Speaker 44: To be honest, I don't really remember the video. I
Speaker 44: just remember the song and probably I can credit it
Speaker 44: to my passion hearing it when I was younger, and yeah, yeah,
Speaker 44: Brifally looks at the video clip.
Speaker 2: Chantel, you don't like you. You run a video segment
Speaker 2: and you can't remember it. Jes funny, chentil good see
Speaker 2: all the very best. Here we go. Chantelle is not
Speaker 2: following instructions today, but that's okay. We're after the great
Speaker 2: Australian videos, video clips. What do we used to call them?
Speaker 2: Film clips? Music? Film clips is what we used to
Speaker 2: call them back in the day, didn't we. Conor McGovern
Speaker 2: joins us now from Forest Place. He's been at the
Speaker 2: State of Origin function. Hollo, Connor, how are you.
Speaker 6: Mateod morning Simon. It's all afternoon now, I believe. But
Speaker 6: there's plenty of plenty of people coming down to see
Speaker 6: the Blues in the Marines in Forest Place, all.
Speaker 2: Right, that's it's your game. Is it right? You're a
Speaker 2: rugby league, won't you? That's your code?
Speaker 41: Man.
Speaker 6: I love all sports, to be honest, mate, I love
Speaker 6: I love West Coast it's top right now. But I
Speaker 6: do love my rugby league. I love my rugby union,
Speaker 6: I love my cricket. You name it, mate, I'm feel
Speaker 6: like I'm in the same bat. It's plenty of West
Speaker 6: of these weeks.
Speaker 2: Don't take funny love watching sport. Don't take this the
Speaker 2: wrong way. Is one broadcast, it's another. But you've pulled
Speaker 2: on a bit of a rugby league voice.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm probably said. I don't know. I don't know
Speaker 6: whether it's taking as a compliment or not.
Speaker 2: Luck, it's still there. I love me rugby league. Hey mate,
Speaker 2: is it dry down there? And what's tell us who
Speaker 2: the captains are and what they have to say?
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's dry at the moment, but apparently it's not
Speaker 6: going to be staying that way for very long. I
Speaker 6: think we're going to get a fair bit of a
Speaker 6: rain tonight and anywhere between about sixteen and thirty MILS,
Speaker 6: so I don't know how opt to stay. Hem is
Speaker 6: going to be able to cope. I think there's about
Speaker 6: four or five games this week, between two Aussie Rules,
Speaker 6: two AFL games and two NRL games. It's going to
Speaker 6: be putting it under a fair bit of stress. But
Speaker 6: as you said, we're down here. The captains are coming
Speaker 6: in shortly, so we've got isaiaho and Nathan Cleary from
Speaker 6: the Blues as well as the coaches Billy Slater for
Speaker 6: Queensland and Cam Munster for the Marines. And I think
Speaker 6: again they're going to be right beside each other, which
Speaker 6: is actually it almost seems like a bit of a
Speaker 6: boxing bout. So we'll wait to see what they have
Speaker 6: to say, but we know that the game's on the
Speaker 6: line for Queensland here, so expecting them to come out
Speaker 6: pretty pretty harshly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you think so. W Given Slater's you know, he's
Speaker 2: elite before elite player has been an elite coach, you
Speaker 2: think he's going to turn it around. Great to have
Speaker 2: a live fixture too, mate, isn't it not have the
Speaker 2: dead Rubbo? This is good?
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly right. This is and people are turning out
Speaker 6: for it. West Elsis are turning out for it, and
Speaker 6: people are also flying over for it. To a couple
Speaker 6: of brothers from Brisbane. They were in sequin dresses, so
Speaker 6: you'll be able to see that tonight and see why
Speaker 6: they're wearing that. But also spoke to a Keywek girl
Speaker 6: yesterday who flew over from from Auckland, spent eight hours
Speaker 6: and five grand getting her a daughter and her mother
Speaker 6: over here just so she can watch this, as you said,
Speaker 6: this live game. So it's it's all on the line
Speaker 6: for Queensland and if New South Wales win tomorrow it's
Speaker 6: they wrapped the series up. So Billy Slater, I think
Speaker 6: he probably got out coached a little bit in that
Speaker 6: first game. I think it'd be fair to say so again.
Speaker 6: Hopefully he's got a few things up his sleeve this time.
Speaker 6: It'll make for a firecracker event tomorrow night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. He's Hale is a Latrell playing.
Speaker 6: Latrell will be there. He was down at training this morning,
Speaker 6: so the Blues had their first run on up to
Speaker 6: stadium this morning. Honestly, seeing Latrell Mitchell up close and
Speaker 6: personal is a sight to behold. I'm a pretty tall bloke,
Speaker 6: but he's as tall as me. But he's just absolutely
Speaker 6: built like a I don't want to say a brick
Speaker 6: something a.
Speaker 2: Brecka blution block. Yeah, he's a massive, isn't he? And
Speaker 2: and can win a game and he's I was reading
Speaker 2: somewhere Connor. He hasn't done any media this year for
Speaker 2: South Sydney or for New South Wales. So he's letting
Speaker 2: his letting his feet do the talking or reckond. Hey Connor,
Speaker 2: good good to talk and I look forward to hearing
Speaker 2: you back with your your political voice next time we chat.
Speaker 6: I'd switched between the.
Speaker 2: Thanks he did he turned into a rugby league player.
Speaker 2: The didn't he? Conor McGovern what I rip out? He's
Speaker 2: in forest place and look it wouldn't have gone. We've
Speaker 2: got Mark Levy in the building today. Mart Levy over
Speaker 2: from from Sydney and he said to me, how come
Speaker 2: there's no rugby league in the paper? Here's none? You
Speaker 2: got a State of Origin match and the zero column
Speaker 2: sent to me he's in the paper. I said, why
Speaker 2: do you reckon?
Speaker 42: Mate?
Speaker 2: Why do you reckon? That is marking me all being.
Speaker 2: We'll come back in a seconds. Eleven minutes to one o'clock.
Speaker 2: You're asking you the listeners for your favorite Australian film clip.
Speaker 2: It's about videos today or film video film quips from
Speaker 2: Back in the Day, Melbourne City councilor considering rehashing, rebooting,
Speaker 2: reheating The Long Way to the Top film blit by
Speaker 2: ac DC Ilo Re Peterson is at the Crown Sports
Speaker 2: Bar joins us now to preview the show today.
Speaker 27: Ali hiddo, Bowie, I'm about twelve pints deep.
Speaker 15: No, you.
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Speaker 27: on here, don't worry.
Speaker 14: I just thought i'd tell you because I'm looking at
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Speaker 14: always drink responsibly and if you do come down, you
Speaker 14: can get a drinks about you from Taz. Say go
Speaker 14: today you could win yourself a two nights day here
Speaker 14: at the Crown Metropol or even win yourself some State
Speaker 14: of Origin tickets.
Speaker 2: But tomorrow night, Bowie, gee, you get all the prizes,
Speaker 2: don't you. Boss's favorite bloke, So each is pat I'll.
Speaker 20: Tell you what.
Speaker 14: And the lineup this afternoon, Andrew John's, Bill gul Paul Gallon,
Speaker 14: malm Ninger, They're all coming down here to the Crown
Speaker 14: Sports but Habit Chat and they'll be live on six
Speaker 14: PR throughout the end afternoon unbelievable.
Speaker 2: You've done well, mate, You and the production team done well.
Speaker 2: That's a that's a great line up from one till five.
Speaker 2: So people can just turn up you set up in
Speaker 2: the corner, have a chat. They can hear you, they
Speaker 2: can see you, come up and give you a care.
Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, correct, absolutely do all of that and more so.
Speaker 14: We're down here at the Crown Sports Bar. Come and say,
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Speaker 14: don't worry about that, will be covering a lot of
Speaker 14: the news of the day. And we'll even trying it
Speaker 14: over to Calgary at one stage, where Michael Paki, our
Speaker 14: national political editor, finds himself. Now without Donald Trump, of course,
Speaker 14: he's flowing back to Washington. So what's Elbow going to
Speaker 14: do tomorrow?
Speaker 25: He was going to talk to Trump.
Speaker 27: Well, anybody else want to have a chat to him?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well I'm going to let you know legit reason,
Speaker 2: I guess for mister Trump to leave to the address
Speaker 2: the Middle East issue. But yeah, that's a shame. We
Speaker 2: needed that chat on the Tariff's no doubt, HEYLI. I'll
Speaker 2: be listening the cyber mate, go well, break a leg,
Speaker 2: get on your boy, see mate, Olli Peterson at the
Speaker 2: Crown Sports Bar. Goody Allen, hey go, I'm and how
Speaker 2: are you good? Mate?
Speaker 41: Yeah?
Speaker 25: And if the skyhooks. I used to like watching horror
Speaker 25: moving and all that sort of stuff through the film clip.
Speaker 25: But what I was ringing about that lady earlier on
Speaker 25: and spoke about the angels, I'm ever going to see
Speaker 25: your face again?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 25: Did you know it wasn't their song?
Speaker 15: Oh?
Speaker 2: I did not it?
Speaker 25: Yeah, if you if you listened, because I was listening
Speaker 25: to Spotify a few weeks ago and I thought, now
Speaker 25: what should I put on?
Speaker 41: And thought, oh, I listened to a bit.
Speaker 25: Of status quote and then you pick an album sort
Speaker 25: of thing, and the thought, oh, yeah, I used to
Speaker 25: play in the band a long time ago. We hued
Speaker 25: to play a bit of quote for well, I'll put
Speaker 25: up the quote. Album itself is self titled, and it
Speaker 25: was like an extended version. And after the normal song's finished,
Speaker 25: this song came on called Lonely Nights. Straight away, I
Speaker 25: thought that is so familiar, and bang, I googled it
Speaker 25: and yeah, sure enough it's the same song.
Speaker 2: And what's it's called Lonely Nights? Lonely Nights yep, Lonely
Speaker 2: Nights from.
Speaker 25: My status Quo of the album, but the extended once,
Speaker 25: not in the one I've got. But yeah, so on
Speaker 25: Google I read it and sure enough, Alan Lancaster was
Speaker 25: out of the bass player out of Status Quo. Was
Speaker 25: good friends with the Bruce Brothers from the Angels and
Speaker 25: he played formed with the Brewsters Party Boys and yeah,
Speaker 25: so they were kind of like mates. So they didn't
Speaker 25: sue him, but they they get royalties from the Angels.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never heard that.
Speaker 25: Yeah, it's like an answer to Australian music.
Speaker 2: And it's like, yeah, no way, yeah, well yeah, just
Speaker 2: looking at just looking on my phone. Status Quo subsequently
Speaker 2: received rorty for the song, So spot on, mate, I
Speaker 2: had no idea. Thanks allan, cheers mate.
Speaker 25: But yeah, play for the listeners would be good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, thanks mate. We've played a bit of it already.
Speaker 2: Lonely Night by Status Quo.
Speaker 27: Steve Good Steve, this is going to be a weird
Speaker 27: one for you or painters and dockers are all going
Speaker 27: to nude school.
Speaker 2: What was it was the video? I remember seeing him
Speaker 2: live and they used to get the kid off. Did
Speaker 2: they the same in the video.
Speaker 36: It's flame in the video.
Speaker 41: I still remember the drummer. You can say he's They
Speaker 41: kept on going to his backside, but they had a
Speaker 41: strategically positioned instruments.
Speaker 2: They did see and Steve from memory. They had a
Speaker 2: fire eader on stage, so there were no naked and
Speaker 2: there was a bloke with a breathing fire on stage
Speaker 2: as well, which is I don't think, yeah, those those
Speaker 2: two contents shouldn't really mix it. I think we're all cheers, mate,
Speaker 2: We're all going to nude school pans and dockers. They're
Speaker 2: all happy at nuds sorry at the Old Melbourne. Quite
Speaker 2: a night. Three and a half minutes to one o'clock.
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