WEBVTT - 'Bound to fail' - Trump-Musk feud - Luke & Clinton dissect explosive breakup

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<v Speaker 1>The five.

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<v Speaker 2>Well did you see this coming? I think a few

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<v Speaker 2>of us did. Elon Musk and Donald Trump have fallen

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<v Speaker 2>out of love, and you would have seen the social

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<v Speaker 2>media posts today. So Elon, of course, the richest man

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<v Speaker 2>in the world, put up a post saying it's time

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<v Speaker 2>to drop a really big bomb and claimed the real

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<v Speaker 2>reason about what's going on at the moment in this

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<v Speaker 2>fallout is the fact that he didn't give any details,

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<v Speaker 2>but that Donald Trump is named in the Epstein files,

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<v Speaker 2>the Jeffrey Epstein case, and you know those photos have

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<v Speaker 2>been floating around for years that show mister Trump in

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<v Speaker 2>the presence of mister Epstein. No one is denying that

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<v Speaker 2>that occurred, but this is an allegation effective for me.

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<v Speaker 2>Elon must know details yet, but that Donald Trump has

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<v Speaker 2>actually been caught up in the wrongdoing. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>bring Luke Grant in on this because he's been keeping

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<v Speaker 2>across this in the past couple of hours. Get a Luke.

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, Luke good a Clinton, how are you, mate?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm good. Was this bound to fail? This relationship?

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<v Speaker 1>Well? I think so, you know it just it seemed

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<v Speaker 1>too good to be true. That you know, you've got

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<v Speaker 1>the bloke with the biggest wallet and the bloke with

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest weapon, let's call it that in the power

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<v Speaker 1>he wields. And at some point they were going to

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<v Speaker 1>see Ida. Why I think that was that was a given,

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<v Speaker 1>But what's happened today is extraordinary. You reference the Epstein files. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the things here is that Elon knows stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>He was in the room, He's heard the conversations, and

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<v Speaker 1>he would have been very close to Donald Trump and

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<v Speaker 1>all those around him, so he's got first hand evidence. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>if the worst thing is the Epstein file, well he's

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<v Speaker 1>dropped that, you know, kind of in day one of

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<v Speaker 1>this feud. But what else has he got? And I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's what Trump has most to worry about. And

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<v Speaker 1>of course what Donald's got is he's got billions and

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<v Speaker 1>billions of subsidies paid to Mask and his companies, particularly

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<v Speaker 1>around the electric car mandate. I mean, I'm hearing Trump

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<v Speaker 1>supporters who've got Tesla's and now keying their own cars.

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<v Speaker 1>I really don't know what happens next. Made there was

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<v Speaker 1>a beautiful AI generated tweet that had Elon and the

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<v Speaker 1>Trumpster saying, are we filled? You only joking? What a

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<v Speaker 1>great prank, And that was just AI generated. So look,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know are they going to come out all

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<v Speaker 1>of a sudden and say that. I don't know, is

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<v Speaker 1>Trump going to fire up and in fact really enforce

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<v Speaker 1>the cessation of subsidies. That'll cost Elon a quid, no doubt.

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<v Speaker 1>Where does it go? But it's just wonderful to watch

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<v Speaker 1>and to quote that form were independent, who was a

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<v Speaker 1>right royal pain of that? You know what? This is

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful in a ugliness, That's what it is, my friend.

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<v Speaker 2>I always thought it was a strange marriage given that

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<v Speaker 2>Elon Musk is that he's a poet. Whether you like

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<v Speaker 2>electric Higles or not, he is a pioneer when it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to evs. So do you think maybe the motive

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<v Speaker 2>we always knew that Donald Trump was pretty much antiev

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think maybe the motivation for Elin becoming such

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<v Speaker 2>a big supporter, a big financial supporter in the end,

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<v Speaker 2>was to win the support financially of the Trump administration

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<v Speaker 2>for his electric Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting thought, because that's I forget. Elon Musk spent two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty million dollars supporting the Trumpsters campaign, two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty million dollars. Now Trump's saying today Elon

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<v Speaker 1>Musk knew all along this was part of the bill.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to do this. Musk now saying, oh, I've

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<v Speaker 1>looked trying to get this bill in late at night.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew no details. So it obviously really hurts Musk

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<v Speaker 1>in the back pocket, no doubt about that. But to

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<v Speaker 1>think that he could win Trump or bring Trump into

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<v Speaker 1>electric motivehicle land, I don't know that. I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he's obviously very capable and very persuasive, and he wields

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<v Speaker 1>lots of power. But there came a point where Trump said, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I just can't do that, because both men agree on

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<v Speaker 1>this that a balanced budget is the outcome, and if

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<v Speaker 1>you don't do that, then you shouldn't be in power.

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<v Speaker 1>They both agree on that. So I don't know where

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<v Speaker 1>Elon thinks that Donald Trump can save a quid. And

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<v Speaker 1>if he thought he was going to, you know, he

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<v Speaker 1>had a Donald Trump for the changing, then he got

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<v Speaker 1>that horribly wrong. And even today mate, when he wrote

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<v Speaker 1>that he'd decommissioned SpaceX. Now, of course that transports the

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<v Speaker 1>astronauts and supplies to the International Space Station and does

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<v Speaker 1>so many other great things in space. I mean, you've

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<v Speaker 1>got to say that the hatred and the feud is

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<v Speaker 1>so explosive, and then to wheel out the Epstein so

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<v Speaker 1>called mention. There's no proof of that. And for Donald,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he's got the German Chancellor of sitting next

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<v Speaker 1>to him in the White House and he's firing off.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, how uncomfortable must that have been with this

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<v Speaker 1>old blood Anyway, I don't know how. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>how to fixes itself, but I get the sensus. Probably

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<v Speaker 1>you do too. It'll probably get a whole lot more ugly,

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<v Speaker 1>if that's even possible.

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<v Speaker 2>He did, evil must did present the Donald with a

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<v Speaker 2>Tesla a couple of months ago. From memory. He doesn't drive,

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<v Speaker 2>does he Donald?

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<v Speaker 1>No? No, But the Trump kids, the Trump kids and others,

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<v Speaker 1>they hop in this red thing. It's a magnificent looking car,

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<v Speaker 1>and they do. They do laps around d C. Taking

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<v Speaker 1>pictures of it and them in it. So it's a

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<v Speaker 1>real toy for the family. I don't know that Donald

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<v Speaker 1>sits there and drives anything, quite frankly, but no, that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's got to be now picked up and taken away.

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<v Speaker 2>They've got the self they've got the self driving technology,

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<v Speaker 2>and the Tesla's in there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes,