Speaker 1: The five.
Speaker 2: Well did you see this coming? I think a few
Speaker 2: of us did. Elon Musk and Donald Trump have fallen
Speaker 2: out of love, and you would have seen the social
Speaker 2: media posts today. So Elon, of course, the richest man
Speaker 2: in the world, put up a post saying it's time
Speaker 2: to drop a really big bomb and claimed the real
Speaker 2: reason about what's going on at the moment in this
Speaker 2: fallout is the fact that he didn't give any details,
Speaker 2: but that Donald Trump is named in the Epstein files,
Speaker 2: the Jeffrey Epstein case, and you know those photos have
Speaker 2: been floating around for years that show mister Trump in
Speaker 2: the presence of mister Epstein. No one is denying that
Speaker 2: that occurred, but this is an allegation effective for me.
Speaker 2: Elon must know details yet, but that Donald Trump has
Speaker 2: actually been caught up in the wrongdoing. I want to
Speaker 2: bring Luke Grant in on this because he's been keeping
Speaker 2: across this in the past couple of hours. Get a Luke.
Speaker 1: Hello, Luke good a Clinton, how are you, mate?
Speaker 2: I'm good. Was this bound to fail? This relationship?
Speaker 1: Well? I think so, you know it just it seemed
Speaker 1: too good to be true. That you know, you've got
Speaker 1: the bloke with the biggest wallet and the bloke with
Speaker 1: the biggest weapon, let's call it that in the power
Speaker 1: he wields. And at some point they were going to
Speaker 1: see Ida. Why I think that was that was a given,
Speaker 1: But what's happened today is extraordinary. You reference the Epstein files. Now,
Speaker 1: one of the things here is that Elon knows stuff.
Speaker 1: He was in the room, He's heard the conversations, and
Speaker 1: he would have been very close to Donald Trump and
Speaker 1: all those around him, so he's got first hand evidence. Now,
Speaker 1: if the worst thing is the Epstein file, well he's
Speaker 1: dropped that, you know, kind of in day one of
Speaker 1: this feud. But what else has he got? And I
Speaker 1: think that's what Trump has most to worry about. And
Speaker 1: of course what Donald's got is he's got billions and
Speaker 1: billions of subsidies paid to Mask and his companies, particularly
Speaker 1: around the electric car mandate. I mean, I'm hearing Trump
Speaker 1: supporters who've got Tesla's and now keying their own cars.
Speaker 1: I really don't know what happens next. Made there was
Speaker 1: a beautiful AI generated tweet that had Elon and the
Speaker 1: Trumpster saying, are we filled? You only joking? What a
Speaker 1: great prank, And that was just AI generated. So look,
Speaker 1: I don't know are they going to come out all
Speaker 1: of a sudden and say that. I don't know, is
Speaker 1: Trump going to fire up and in fact really enforce
Speaker 1: the cessation of subsidies. That'll cost Elon a quid, no doubt.
Speaker 1: Where does it go? But it's just wonderful to watch
Speaker 1: and to quote that form were independent, who was a
Speaker 1: right royal pain of that? You know what? This is
Speaker 1: beautiful in a ugliness, That's what it is, my friend.
Speaker 2: I always thought it was a strange marriage given that
Speaker 2: Elon Musk is that he's a poet. Whether you like
Speaker 2: electric Higles or not, he is a pioneer when it
Speaker 2: comes to evs. So do you think maybe the motive
Speaker 2: we always knew that Donald Trump was pretty much antiev
Speaker 2: Do you think maybe the motivation for Elin becoming such
Speaker 2: a big supporter, a big financial supporter in the end,
Speaker 2: was to win the support financially of the Trump administration
Speaker 2: for his electric Yeah.
Speaker 1: Interesting thought, because that's I forget. Elon Musk spent two
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty million dollars supporting the Trumpsters campaign, two
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty million dollars. Now Trump's saying today Elon
Speaker 1: Musk knew all along this was part of the bill.
Speaker 1: We're going to do this. Musk now saying, oh, I've
Speaker 1: looked trying to get this bill in late at night.
Speaker 1: I knew no details. So it obviously really hurts Musk
Speaker 1: in the back pocket, no doubt about that. But to
Speaker 1: think that he could win Trump or bring Trump into
Speaker 1: electric motivehicle land, I don't know that. I think, you know,
Speaker 1: he's obviously very capable and very persuasive, and he wields
Speaker 1: lots of power. But there came a point where Trump said, no,
Speaker 1: I just can't do that, because both men agree on
Speaker 1: this that a balanced budget is the outcome, and if
Speaker 1: you don't do that, then you shouldn't be in power.
Speaker 1: They both agree on that. So I don't know where
Speaker 1: Elon thinks that Donald Trump can save a quid. And
Speaker 1: if he thought he was going to, you know, he
Speaker 1: had a Donald Trump for the changing, then he got
Speaker 1: that horribly wrong. And even today mate, when he wrote
Speaker 1: that he'd decommissioned SpaceX. Now, of course that transports the
Speaker 1: astronauts and supplies to the International Space Station and does
Speaker 1: so many other great things in space. I mean, you've
Speaker 1: got to say that the hatred and the feud is
Speaker 1: so explosive, and then to wheel out the Epstein so
Speaker 1: called mention. There's no proof of that. And for Donald,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's got the German Chancellor of sitting next
Speaker 1: to him in the White House and he's firing off.
Speaker 1: I mean, how uncomfortable must that have been with this
Speaker 1: old blood Anyway, I don't know how. I don't know
Speaker 1: how to fixes itself, but I get the sensus. Probably
Speaker 1: you do too. It'll probably get a whole lot more ugly,
Speaker 1: if that's even possible.
Speaker 2: He did, evil must did present the Donald with a
Speaker 2: Tesla a couple of months ago. From memory. He doesn't drive,
Speaker 2: does he Donald?
Speaker 1: No? No, But the Trump kids, the Trump kids and others,
Speaker 1: they hop in this red thing. It's a magnificent looking car,
Speaker 1: and they do. They do laps around d C. Taking
Speaker 1: pictures of it and them in it. So it's a
Speaker 1: real toy for the family. I don't know that Donald
Speaker 1: sits there and drives anything, quite frankly, but no, that's
Speaker 1: that's got to be now picked up and taken away.
Speaker 2: They've got the self they've got the self driving technology,
Speaker 2: and the Tesla's in there.
Speaker 1: Yes,