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S1: a culture show from the Sydney Morning Herald and The Age,

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S1: where we dive into the latest in the world of

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S1: pop culture and entertainment. I'm here with Thomas Mitchell and

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S1: Mel Kimbrough. Thomas Since the last time we caught up,

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S1: you hung out with Tom Cruise. How was that?

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S2: Yeah, I'm slowly kind of elevating my friendship circle. So

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S2: you guys are, like, barely hanging on. Just me putting

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S2: you on notice. It was good. I'm now an operating thetan,

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S2: I think I'm 2000 or something. Every time you make

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S2: every time you make Tom, you go up a level. Great. No,

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S2: it was. It was amazing. Obviously, the Mission Impossible premiere

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S2: to Tom Cruise, which was very yeah, the whole thing

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S2: was kind of like bizarre, I guess. You don't really

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S1: Did in fact. In fact, I sung Happy birthday to

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S2: Did you get like, I mean, firstly, he was an

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S3: And I was. It was your birthday also this week.

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S3: Did you have a did you experience any of this?

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S1: of understand what you mean. Thomas He he said to

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S1: Well, I had the same experience with Dev Patel a

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S3: Oh, come on. Because of the perspective. And Tom Cruise

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S2: Yeah, there's been lots of like kind of noise made

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S1: But then, you know, I think to to your point

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S1: And maybe the less cynical perspective on it is perhaps

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S1: So it suits them. And and maybe that's in some

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S3: And to be honest, I think we kind of have

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S3: Like I think about Legally Blonde or Clueless like they

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S1: But I'm really struck by by something you mentioned earlier, Mel,

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S1: of toys. Like Bobby was kind of out of the discourse, right?

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S1: Like this is and, you know, maybe Mattel will actually

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S3: And like I do, find Margot Robbie's slippage into the

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S1: It's like she's forgotten that she's not actually Barbie.

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S2: Where is the bookish Barbie? When is it? When is it.

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S3: But I do also think I don't know if you

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S1: I don't know if I'm across. Barbie, call talk me

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S3: Oh, Barbie called. So it's gone off on TikTok and

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S3: it's largely tied to this movie. But it's this kind

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S3: And look, and it's tied to the film. But also

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S3: I think there's this wider cultural moment that this film

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S2: Which is very. Not because like, it's such a good

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S2: And we all have such a kind of this like

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S2: Yeah. Yeah. From a like I'm presuming the advertising exists

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S3: I mean, I've got I've got Barbie nails. That's how

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S1: You do? Yeah. I feel like, you know, in in

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442
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S1: but I feel like maybe people listening might think that

443
00:20:55,490 --> 00:20:57,830
S1: we're not excited for this film or we're too cynical

444
00:20:57,830 --> 00:21:00,230
S1: about it. I think I kind of the opposite. Like,

445
00:21:00,230 --> 00:21:02,480
S1: I like I said at the start, I do trust

446
00:21:02,570 --> 00:21:04,879
S1: Greta Gerwig and Margot Robbie. I think this will be

447
00:21:05,090 --> 00:21:07,879
S1: a pretty interesting movie one way or another, but I

448
00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:11,510
S1: think it is worth dissecting where it sort of fits

449
00:21:11,510 --> 00:21:15,170
S1: in the broader context and who stands to benefit from

450
00:21:15,170 --> 00:21:17,510
S1: all these things. I really I really think that point

451
00:21:17,510 --> 00:21:22,430
S1: about fashion and style regressing to the early 2000 is

452
00:21:22,430 --> 00:21:24,890
S1: really important because this movie is tapping into that, but

453
00:21:24,890 --> 00:21:26,780
S1: it's not leading it. Like this is a trend that's

454
00:21:26,780 --> 00:21:29,030
S1: been going on for like 12, 18 months. The return

455
00:21:29,030 --> 00:21:32,090
S1: of the midriff, the return of miniskirts, scrunchies, all that

456
00:21:32,090 --> 00:21:34,400
S1: sort of stuff is happening. And I know a lot

457
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,880
S1: of people like I think quite rightly point out that

458
00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,939
S1: that was like, there's a good reason we ditched those

459
00:21:40,940 --> 00:21:45,380
S1: kinds of trends because they were extremely, I guess, discriminatory

460
00:21:45,380 --> 00:21:48,800
S1: to anyone who wasn't a very slim like white woman.

461
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:52,250
S1: And it was very narrowing in terms of what was

462
00:21:52,250 --> 00:21:55,160
S1: seen as attractive. I find it really interesting that that

463
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,760
S1: is coming back really, really, really fast. And I'm curious

464
00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,670
S1: as to how Bobby will deal with it beyond just

465
00:22:01,670 --> 00:22:05,149
S1: saying we've got Issa Rae, we've got Harry NEF, who's trans,

466
00:22:05,150 --> 00:22:08,300
S1: we've got America Ferrera. I mean, all of those people

467
00:22:08,300 --> 00:22:13,790
S1: are still very objectively like attractive. I don't often say this,

468
00:22:13,790 --> 00:22:15,530
S1: but I am interested to see what the discourse is

469
00:22:15,530 --> 00:22:17,690
S1: like after this movie comes out. I feel like there's

470
00:22:17,690 --> 00:22:19,460
S1: going to be hot takes aplenty.

471
00:22:19,940 --> 00:22:22,070
S2: Yeah, there will be. I personally just hope that the

472
00:22:22,070 --> 00:22:25,520
S2: SNP belt comes back. That was some of my like

473
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,030
S2: the SNP belt represents a really good time in my life.

474
00:22:29,030 --> 00:22:29,600
S3: And little blonde.

475
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:33,080
S2: Tips the blonde tips yeah shirt slogan shirts from JJ's

476
00:22:33,530 --> 00:22:35,510
S2: you could maybe get some butterfly clips for your hair.

477
00:22:35,540 --> 00:22:36,379
S3: Oh, I'd love that.

478
00:22:36,380 --> 00:22:36,680
S5: Yeah.

479
00:22:37,100 --> 00:22:38,629
S1: I mean, I'm thinking about going blonde again. I had

480
00:22:38,630 --> 00:22:40,399
S1: a blonde era a couple of years ago, and I

481
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,410
S1: was thinking about what I wanted to wear to the premiere,

482
00:22:42,619 --> 00:22:44,840
S1: and I think going blonde feels appropriate for this.

483
00:22:44,869 --> 00:22:46,909
S2: You sitting at home contemplating what you'll wear to the

484
00:22:46,910 --> 00:22:49,490
S2: Barbie premiere. Is it the most Osmond Farooqui thing?

485
00:22:49,490 --> 00:22:50,660
S3: Are you going to wear pink?

486
00:22:51,260 --> 00:22:52,770
S1: I don't know. Oh, actually, you know, I've got a

487
00:22:52,790 --> 00:22:55,189
S1: I've got a couple of pink options, I guess. So

488
00:22:55,190 --> 00:22:57,290
S1: if I'm going blonde as well at pink, like, what's

489
00:22:57,290 --> 00:23:00,320
S1: the next best opportunity to do that? There really isn't one.

490
00:23:00,650 --> 00:23:01,189
S2: That's true.

491
00:23:01,369 --> 00:23:04,369
S1: Let's let's look about Mattel and what is coming up

492
00:23:04,369 --> 00:23:06,740
S1: next for them. So this movie is not even out yet.

493
00:23:06,740 --> 00:23:08,959
S1: We don't really know how successful it'll be, though. We

494
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,780
S1: think it'll be huge because of the reaction so far.

495
00:23:11,780 --> 00:23:15,199
S1: But they're already in the early stages of developing more

496
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:20,480
S1: than a dozen other toy adaptations, including like, Uno cards.

497
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:21,170
S1: This is.

498
00:23:21,410 --> 00:23:23,240
S5: Pretty, pretty, pretty wild.

499
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,430
S1: Stuff. Is this good or are we in some sort

500
00:23:25,430 --> 00:23:26,540
S1: of like, corporate hell?

501
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,820
S3: I think we're in some sort of corporate hell. I mean,

502
00:23:28,820 --> 00:23:33,260
S3: I think we're I think we're tiring of superheroes. Marvel

503
00:23:33,260 --> 00:23:36,800
S3: and DC have had, you know, the past decade, and

504
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,490
S3: now we're seeing the toy companies get into it. Barbie

505
00:23:40,490 --> 00:23:45,170
S3: is their first film after the new CEO created Mattel Films.

506
00:23:45,170 --> 00:23:48,050
S3: So I think we're going to now have a period

507
00:23:48,050 --> 00:23:52,070
S3: of insane toy films, and I think we'll end up

508
00:23:52,070 --> 00:23:54,350
S3: in the same situation. We're a bit tired of them.

509
00:23:54,350 --> 00:23:56,990
S2: Yeah, because there's talk of the like they're doing Barney

510
00:23:56,990 --> 00:24:00,080
S2: with Daniel Kaluuya attached and like, Yeah, what's the line?

511
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:00,590
S1: He said.

512
00:24:00,590 --> 00:24:04,369
S2: It's they're pitching in as like a moody A24 style film.

513
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:05,120
S5: Which is.

514
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:06,260
S2: Just amazing.

515
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,770
S3: But it does remind me of succession again, where they're

516
00:24:09,770 --> 00:24:13,160
S3: like where Kendall is encouraging Roman to just get all

517
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,770
S3: the IP and just make as many films as possible,

518
00:24:15,770 --> 00:24:17,690
S3: which is kind of what you're seeing happen here.

519
00:24:17,869 --> 00:24:19,820
S1: Yeah, and we saw it with Hasbro, right? They do

520
00:24:19,820 --> 00:24:23,210
S1: the G.I. Joe and Transformers and they've been making those

521
00:24:23,210 --> 00:24:25,220
S1: movies for a while. And this is a spoiler for

522
00:24:25,220 --> 00:24:29,300
S1: the new Transformers movie, Rise of the Beasts or War

523
00:24:29,300 --> 00:24:31,310
S1: of the Base or whatever it's called at the end

524
00:24:31,310 --> 00:24:33,050
S1: of that movie. And if you want to get if

525
00:24:33,050 --> 00:24:36,260
S1: you don't want to get spoiled, tune out. But hopefully 99%

526
00:24:36,260 --> 00:24:38,900
S1: of the people listening to this don't care enough about

527
00:24:38,900 --> 00:24:43,369
S1: the seventh installment of the Transformers franchise. But they tease

528
00:24:43,369 --> 00:24:47,359
S1: an extended Transformers G.I. Joe Universe. So I wonder if

529
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,209
S1: we could end up seeing that. Does Bobby exist in

530
00:24:50,210 --> 00:24:53,330
S1: the same universe as Bonnie, Bobby and Bonnie? Could they

531
00:24:53,330 --> 00:24:56,270
S1: be playing Uno together? Is this what we will be

532
00:24:56,270 --> 00:24:58,880
S1: talking about on this podcast in ten years? Probably, yes,

533
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,730
S1: to be honest, because it does feel like. Only thing

534
00:25:02,730 --> 00:25:05,010
S1: studios are really willing to put a heaps of money

535
00:25:05,010 --> 00:25:08,730
S1: into are either long running franchises like the Fast and

536
00:25:08,730 --> 00:25:13,290
S1: Furious series Mission Impossible or stories like this, though I guess.

537
00:25:13,290 --> 00:25:14,940
S1: On the other hand, the other movie coming out on

538
00:25:14,940 --> 00:25:19,409
S1: this day is Oppenheimer. Christopher Nolan original story. But he's

539
00:25:19,410 --> 00:25:21,840
S1: such a bankable director. I mean, the funny thing about

540
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,270
S1: the battle between those two movies, they're both being distributed

541
00:25:24,270 --> 00:25:28,350
S1: by Universal. So Universal wins, no matter which movie you see,

542
00:25:28,350 --> 00:25:30,899
S1: which order you see them in and which one you

543
00:25:30,900 --> 00:25:31,500
S1: love more.

544
00:25:31,530 --> 00:25:35,160
S2: Probably my favorite thing about the whole Barbie like marketing

545
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,550
S2: campaign has been this weird, like competition that the Internet

546
00:25:38,550 --> 00:25:42,330
S2: has developed between Barbie and Oppenheimer because they're such so

547
00:25:42,330 --> 00:25:44,280
S2: different films, and I think everyone saw it. But that

548
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,250
S2: meme of they created that Barbie house in Malibu and

549
00:25:47,250 --> 00:25:50,070
S2: then people tweeting like Oppenheimer, you know what to do.

550
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,369
S2: And it is amazing, like so many people are like, Oh,

551
00:25:53,369 --> 00:25:55,850
S2: so can I see Barbie if I haven't seen Oppenheimer? Like, well,

552
00:25:55,859 --> 00:25:58,260
S2: I understand. Like, it's just amazing that these two very

553
00:25:58,260 --> 00:26:01,950
S2: different films with two very distinctly different color schemes are

554
00:26:01,950 --> 00:26:04,320
S2: coming out on the same day and like directly in

555
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,570
S2: competition with each other. It's it's really brought out the

556
00:26:06,570 --> 00:26:07,440
S2: best in the Internet.

557
00:26:17,420 --> 00:26:18,860
S1: Well, I think that's why that bird got this thing

558
00:26:18,859 --> 00:26:21,470
S1: in common, which is that taking something well known in

559
00:26:21,470 --> 00:26:23,600
S1: society and then doing something to it. But we don't

560
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,690
S1: know what that something is like. Something is happening in

561
00:26:26,690 --> 00:26:29,510
S1: the Barbie world that changes things for her and puts

562
00:26:29,510 --> 00:26:32,210
S1: her on this journey of, I don't know, feminist self-discovery

563
00:26:32,210 --> 00:26:34,530
S1: or whatever. And we don't quite know what that is.

564
00:26:34,550 --> 00:26:37,669
S1: Oppenheimer is a story of Oppenheimer, the guy that led

565
00:26:37,670 --> 00:26:40,429
S1: the Manhattan Project and created the first nuclear bomb. But

566
00:26:40,430 --> 00:26:42,500
S1: it's Christopher Nolan, and we know he likes to play

567
00:26:42,500 --> 00:26:45,260
S1: with like, time and space. So will this lead to, like,

568
00:26:45,260 --> 00:26:49,340
S1: some sort of inter-dimensional wormhole? We don't really know. Cinema

569
00:26:49,340 --> 00:26:52,910
S1: Nova here in Melbourne is like counterprogramming them like so

570
00:26:52,910 --> 00:26:54,949
S1: that they've taken out a bunch of cinemas and then

571
00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:57,080
S1: just running them back and forth one after the other

572
00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,470
S1: all opening weekend. I kind of like, I'm excited to

573
00:27:00,470 --> 00:27:02,649
S1: see both of them. Like Tom, I'm probably going to

574
00:27:02,650 --> 00:27:04,850
S1: do Oppenheimer first and then Barbie, but I am also

575
00:27:04,850 --> 00:27:07,250
S1: just excited that it might bring heaps of people back

576
00:27:07,250 --> 00:27:09,350
S1: to movie theaters in the way that Top Gun did,

577
00:27:09,350 --> 00:27:11,090
S1: and particularly with something like Barbie, maybe a lot of

578
00:27:11,090 --> 00:27:14,120
S1: younger people. I feel like Top Gun, the gender breakdown

579
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,430
S1: on top Guns box office was actually way more even

580
00:27:16,430 --> 00:27:18,950
S1: than I think people thought. It sort of seemed like

581
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:21,830
S1: this macho Broadway kind of a film. But women made

582
00:27:21,830 --> 00:27:24,470
S1: up a big chunk of box office receipts for that.

583
00:27:24,470 --> 00:27:28,040
S1: Oppenheimer is trending very, very, very male at the moment,

584
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,859
S1: which is the majority of the theater going demographic at

585
00:27:30,859 --> 00:27:33,800
S1: this stage. But Barbie is the opposite. Like younger women,

586
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,440
S1: like everything from 18 to 34. And I think that

587
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,960
S1: is really, really exciting for the future of film.

588
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,260
S2: But just going back quickly to the the Daniel Kaluuya thing,

589
00:27:42,260 --> 00:27:44,900
S2: because what Daniel Kaluuya said about the film so far

590
00:27:44,900 --> 00:27:47,690
S2: is amazing. He's kind of take on it is Barney

591
00:27:47,690 --> 00:27:49,880
S2: was a ubiquitous figure in many of our childhoods. Then

592
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:54,020
S2: he disappeared into the shadows, left misunderstood. That's a real quote.

593
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,290
S2: That's his logline for the film. Yeah. And it's currently

594
00:27:57,290 --> 00:27:59,480
S2: listed as being in development. And the creator of Beef,

595
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,750
S2: the show we all loved on Netflix, Lee Seung Jin

596
00:28:02,750 --> 00:28:05,120
S2: is attached as a writer, so it is amazing that

597
00:28:05,300 --> 00:28:08,240
S2: they're getting these tried and tested IP like same with

598
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,820
S2: Barbie and then attaching like kind of like hot young

599
00:28:10,820 --> 00:28:14,540
S2: directing and production talent to it. And I mean, I

600
00:28:14,540 --> 00:28:17,510
S2: think the natural segue is like, what are some other

601
00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:20,390
S2: toys that we can do this with? I personally am

602
00:28:20,390 --> 00:28:23,719
S2: very excited for Bong Joon Ho's trolls all, or I

603
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,330
S2: would love to see Sophia Ford Coppola take on Furby.

604
00:28:26,330 --> 00:28:28,580
S3: Oh, that's good. That's good. That could have quite a dark.

605
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,050
S2: There's so much there to play with.

606
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,540
S1: There was a Trolls movie, wasn't there, with Justin Timberlake.

607
00:28:32,740 --> 00:28:35,270
S2: He did this. We need like a dark troll.

608
00:28:35,300 --> 00:28:36,500
S5: The dark troll. Yeah. Yeah.

609
00:28:36,500 --> 00:28:38,660
S3: I had I can see David Lynch doing my one.

610
00:28:38,660 --> 00:28:40,370
S3: Maybe I had this doll when I was a kid.

611
00:28:40,370 --> 00:28:42,890
S3: Her name was Susie Stretch, and she was like this

612
00:28:42,890 --> 00:28:43,940
S3: long thing with.

613
00:28:43,940 --> 00:28:45,110
S2: And your anti Barbie.

614
00:28:45,260 --> 00:28:45,800
S5: Yeah.

615
00:28:46,940 --> 00:28:48,440
S3: This is why I am the way I am.

616
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,260
S1: Did she read books? Smell is that we liked her.

617
00:28:50,270 --> 00:28:52,970
S3: Well, she did with me because you like would attach

618
00:28:52,970 --> 00:28:55,910
S3: her hands to your hands and her legs to your

619
00:28:55,910 --> 00:28:59,170
S3: legs and then you'd, like, walk around with Susie stretch.

620
00:28:59,180 --> 00:29:01,280
S1: On like a nightmare. I think David Lynch is the

621
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:02,090
S1: right guy for that.

622
00:29:02,210 --> 00:29:03,980
S2: Is this a doll for girls who didn't have actual friends?

623
00:29:03,980 --> 00:29:04,730
S5: And the tagline.

624
00:29:05,150 --> 00:29:07,790
S3: Well, it was obviously like I had some identity issues.

625
00:29:07,790 --> 00:29:10,910
S3: If I would prefer to live life as this weird doll.

626
00:29:10,910 --> 00:29:14,150
S3: But I guess the tagline would be like, Who's wearing who?

627
00:29:14,150 --> 00:29:15,200
S3: Susie Stretch.

628
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:15,440
S5: Yeah.

629
00:29:15,710 --> 00:29:17,989
S1: Wow, that's great. I mean, the whack thing is you

630
00:29:17,990 --> 00:29:20,560
S1: go back ten years and you say, Margot Robbie and

631
00:29:20,570 --> 00:29:23,120
S1: Greta Gerwig. I'm going to do Bobby Daniel Kaluuya and

632
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,310
S1: the Beef guy. I'm going to do Bonnie. David Lynch

633
00:29:25,310 --> 00:29:27,560
S1: is going to do Susie Stretch. All of those feel

634
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:31,190
S1: equally like implausible. So I just don't think you could

635
00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:34,670
S1: you could really go wrong with making these predictions. Before

636
00:29:34,670 --> 00:29:37,610
S1: we finish up on our Bobby chat, let's talk about

637
00:29:37,610 --> 00:29:39,920
S1: the soundtrack. Mel, you said that you liked it. This

638
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,940
S1: is like increasingly a part of big productions where they

639
00:29:43,940 --> 00:29:47,030
S1: get a really high profile executive producer, in this case,

640
00:29:47,030 --> 00:29:51,350
S1: Mark Ronson, to curate a soundtrack with a bunch of stars.

641
00:29:51,350 --> 00:29:55,250
S1: The biggest single so far is Barbie World, which interpolates

642
00:29:55,250 --> 00:29:57,709
S1: the Aqua Song. Thomas mentioned Barbie Girl.

643
00:29:59,270 --> 00:30:01,190
S6: And I'm about like the Barbie. I'm a doll, but.

644
00:30:01,190 --> 00:30:03,260
UU: I still want to party. Pink felt like I'm ready

645
00:30:03,260 --> 00:30:05,480
UU: to bend. I'm a ten, so I pulling a Ken

646
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:09,290
UU: like Jazzy Stacy Nikki all of the Barbies is pretty the.

647
00:30:10,020 --> 00:30:12,540
UU: What it girls and we ain't playing tag.

648
00:30:13,590 --> 00:30:14,160
S7: Read.

649
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,610
S1: It's by Nicki Minaj and I spice I spice is

650
00:30:17,610 --> 00:30:20,400
S1: a very very, very hot rapper right now. What do

651
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:21,330
S1: you think about the track?

652
00:30:21,750 --> 00:30:24,360
S3: I love it. I think. I think there's about four

653
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,120
S3: songs released from the soundtrack now, and they're all bangers.

654
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,220
S3: I love the Dua Lipa song as well. Really excited

655
00:30:29,220 --> 00:30:31,560
S3: for the Lizzo song. I think Kid Laroi is on

656
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,870
S3: there as well. But also I think it's very funny

657
00:30:33,870 --> 00:30:36,660
S3: because Mattel sued Aqua over Barbie doll when it first

658
00:30:36,660 --> 00:30:39,330
S3: came out and now they're just loving it.

659
00:30:39,330 --> 00:30:41,250
S1: We're all friends again. We're all friends again. Yeah.

660
00:30:41,250 --> 00:30:42,930
S3: But even if the movie's not a hit, I think

661
00:30:42,930 --> 00:30:45,390
S3: the soundtrack already is very fun and I'm excited to

662
00:30:45,390 --> 00:30:47,250
S3: hear all the rest of the songs on it.

663
00:30:47,250 --> 00:30:49,020
S2: Yeah, I love it too. But I do get the

664
00:30:49,020 --> 00:30:52,020
S2: feeling I think I've got like PTSD from the Idol,

665
00:30:52,020 --> 00:30:54,330
S2: but I'm like, Is the soundtrack going to be better

666
00:30:54,330 --> 00:30:57,750
S2: than the the movie or the series? Because, yeah, the

667
00:30:57,750 --> 00:31:00,360
S2: music has been so good so far and such a

668
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:04,140
S2: kind of like purposeful and well done kind of bringing

669
00:31:04,140 --> 00:31:07,200
S2: the songs of Barbie into 2023. But yeah, I just

670
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,300
S2: have this feeling that like when the music's this good

671
00:31:09,300 --> 00:31:12,030
S2: and everything about it has been good so far. We

672
00:31:12,030 --> 00:31:13,590
S2: like being set up for a fall.

673
00:31:13,710 --> 00:31:17,130
S1: Yeah. The interesting thing about the Aqua Song is that

674
00:31:17,130 --> 00:31:19,860
S1: I think there's a line from an interview Margo's given

675
00:31:19,860 --> 00:31:22,320
S1: where she said to Greta, I want this song to

676
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,450
S1: be in the movie. And so it is in the

677
00:31:24,450 --> 00:31:27,030
S1: movie in some capacity. I'm not sure whether it's the

678
00:31:27,030 --> 00:31:30,330
S1: original song or the Nikki and I Spice version, but

679
00:31:30,330 --> 00:31:32,430
S1: I think that will be a really fun moment, I guess,

680
00:31:32,430 --> 00:31:34,260
S1: for people of our generation who love that track.

681
00:31:34,260 --> 00:31:35,820
S2: I feel like it would be a huge mistake to

682
00:31:35,820 --> 00:31:38,160
S2: not use the Aqua track in the movie at some point,

683
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,380
S2: like it was such an earworm at that time.

684
00:31:40,380 --> 00:31:44,850
S1: Like, yeah, controversially, I don't love the new one. Like

685
00:31:44,850 --> 00:31:47,850
S1: to me, the only good bits of it are the

686
00:31:47,850 --> 00:31:50,250
S1: ones that the bits that sound like the original Aqua Song.

687
00:31:50,250 --> 00:31:52,320
S1: I think both Nikki and I aspire to sound like

688
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,270
S1: the kind of phoning in their verses a bit, but

689
00:31:54,270 --> 00:31:56,460
S1: I love the rest of it. Like I love the

690
00:31:56,850 --> 00:31:59,850
S1: dual track, I love Speed Drive by Charli XCX That's

691
00:31:59,850 --> 00:32:01,170
S1: super fun as well.

692
00:32:01,650 --> 00:32:05,700
UU: I love the. So falling in so when you know

693
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:20,010
UU: my mind. Three one. And just be dry.

694
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:26,190
S1: Before we wrap up on Bobby Chat. Tom Cruise and

695
00:32:26,190 --> 00:32:28,800
S1: I are seeing Oppenheimer and then Bobby. Did you guys

696
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:30,360
S1: have a game plan for this one?

697
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,220
S2: Are you going with Tom Cruise? Is that your.

698
00:32:32,220 --> 00:32:33,780
S1: Plan? That's yeah, exactly. Yeah.

699
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:35,960
S3: I'm going Bobby first. Yeah.

700
00:32:35,970 --> 00:32:36,960
S5: Although, actually that because.

701
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,150
S1: You're most excited to see Bobby, are you think that

702
00:32:39,150 --> 00:32:42,090
S1: is a coherent, logical order in which to see these

703
00:32:42,090 --> 00:32:42,840
S1: two deranged.

704
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:44,850
S3: Movies? Okay. No, if I want to go logical, I'd

705
00:32:44,850 --> 00:32:47,790
S3: probably watch the one about the atomic bomb get really sad.

706
00:32:47,790 --> 00:32:50,340
S3: And then maybe. Or maybe not redeem my faith in

707
00:32:50,340 --> 00:32:53,460
S3: humanity by watching Barbie. But I don't know. I'm just

708
00:32:53,460 --> 00:32:55,970
S3: not feeling Christopher Nolan at the moment. I just.

709
00:32:55,980 --> 00:32:57,750
S2: Why don't you say this before off air? Why do

710
00:32:57,750 --> 00:32:58,830
S2: you not like Christopher Nolan?

711
00:32:59,100 --> 00:33:00,870
S3: You know, I used to love Christopher Nolan, But.

712
00:33:00,870 --> 00:33:02,670
S5: Now what happened? I don't know.

713
00:33:02,670 --> 00:33:05,100
S3: I just. Maybe he's a little too clever for his

714
00:33:05,100 --> 00:33:07,680
S3: own good. I don't know. Coming from you just does

715
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:12,610
S3: the same. And I don't know. I'm just not feeling

716
00:33:12,610 --> 00:33:14,190
S3: a Christopher Nolan movie, but, I mean, just.

717
00:33:14,190 --> 00:33:16,940
S1: At the same. So yeah, like Dunkirk about World War Two,

718
00:33:16,950 --> 00:33:19,770
S1: very similar to Interstellar and The Dark Knight Rises.

719
00:33:19,890 --> 00:33:22,200
S2: Yes, exactly. And literally, I said this to Mel. I

720
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:23,530
S2: think I was like Dark Knight Rises, a great movie.

721
00:33:23,530 --> 00:33:26,160
S2: And she's like, Oh, so earnest. I'm like, Man, he

722
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:27,960
S2: Christopher Nolan love him.

723
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:28,290
S5: I know.

724
00:33:28,290 --> 00:33:29,790
S3: But then I don't want to have to hear everyone

725
00:33:29,790 --> 00:33:32,729
S3: have to discuss like, Oh, what actually happened in that moment?

726
00:33:32,730 --> 00:33:35,010
S3: Like when Tennant came out and everyone was talking about

727
00:33:35,010 --> 00:33:37,950
S3: what was it actually about? Sometimes I'm like, It's just

728
00:33:37,950 --> 00:33:39,510
S3: probably not a great film if no one knows what

729
00:33:39,510 --> 00:33:40,380
S3: it is actually about.

730
00:33:40,390 --> 00:33:42,810
S2: It's about a fake girl in a pink house in Malibu.

731
00:33:43,590 --> 00:33:44,010
S5: Okay.

732
00:33:44,370 --> 00:33:47,160
S2: I think I'm going to go and do the double. Like,

733
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,500
S2: I feel like it's rare that you get these kind

734
00:33:49,500 --> 00:33:53,430
S2: of like, big moments where people are excited about films

735
00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:54,780
S2: and it's become a thing now. And I'm like, You

736
00:33:54,780 --> 00:33:57,330
S2: know what? Yeah, I will sacrifice a day to just

737
00:33:57,330 --> 00:34:01,050
S2: go and see both movies. I'll probably see Barbie first

738
00:34:01,050 --> 00:34:03,360
S2: and then Oppenheimer's second. I feel like Oppenheimer, you know,

739
00:34:03,390 --> 00:34:05,310
S2: that can bleed into the night. And then after that

740
00:34:05,310 --> 00:34:06,330
S2: I can just kind of like, go and take the

741
00:34:06,330 --> 00:34:07,800
S2: edge off with a drink or something. Yeah, I plan

742
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:08,820
S2: to see them both on the same day.

743
00:34:08,820 --> 00:34:11,430
S3: And will you be making any aesthetic choices when you

744
00:34:11,430 --> 00:34:12,240
S3: go and see Barbie?

745
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,520
S2: I'm going to go top half Barbie and then bottom

746
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:15,630
S2: half Oppenheimer's.

747
00:34:16,110 --> 00:34:17,130
S3: I don't even know what that means.

748
00:34:26,130 --> 00:34:29,370
S1: Okay. So we'll leave the Bobby chat there. We'll come

749
00:34:29,370 --> 00:34:31,859
S1: back when we've seen the movie, will dissect it on

750
00:34:31,860 --> 00:34:36,060
S1: the pod. And right now for the last time ever

751
00:34:36,060 --> 00:34:39,210
S1: on this podcast and hopefully the last time ever in

752
00:34:39,210 --> 00:34:42,000
S1: our lives we're going to be talking about the Idol,

753
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:46,320
S1: which finally finished this week. It was supposed to be

754
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,570
S1: six episodes. It was about to be an entirely different

755
00:34:48,570 --> 00:34:51,000
S1: TV show. It was supposed to be six episodes of

756
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,660
S1: this TV show, became five episodes of of this terrible,

757
00:34:54,660 --> 00:34:58,350
S1: terrible TV show. We've sort of bounced around on it

758
00:34:58,350 --> 00:35:00,300
S1: over the past month. We thought some apps are better

759
00:35:00,300 --> 00:35:04,680
S1: than others. Largely, we weren't vibing it. How do we

760
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:06,480
S1: think it finished, Thomas?

761
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,540
S2: Uh, mate. Worst Idol finale since Shannon Noll was robbed

762
00:35:10,540 --> 00:35:11,470
S2: in 2003.

763
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:12,609
S5: Exactly.

764
00:35:13,270 --> 00:35:16,790
S2: Perhaps the only fair way. It was a fucking disgrace.

765
00:35:16,810 --> 00:35:19,960
S2: I text you both after I finished it. I just

766
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,640
S2: got like. Angrier and angrier with each episode. And then

767
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:28,510
S2: the finale was like just plunged itself to new depths.

768
00:35:28,530 --> 00:35:32,729
S2: It was the worst finale of a show, and I

769
00:35:32,730 --> 00:35:37,290
S2: feel like so hoodwinked by HBO and the weekend. No, seriously,

770
00:35:37,290 --> 00:35:40,230
S2: it's so I feel so annoyed at this show. One

771
00:35:40,230 --> 00:35:43,540
S2: of my mates this was amazing sent me a screenshot.

772
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,050
S2: He also watched and hated it where he sent a

773
00:35:46,050 --> 00:35:48,120
S2: DM to the weekend. Obviously he will never see it

774
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,750
S2: basically being like, How dare you? You owe me five hours.

775
00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:53,670
S2: This is what my hourly rate. He worked at his

776
00:35:53,670 --> 00:35:55,200
S2: hourly rate at his job. He's like, This is how

777
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,060
S2: much I get paid an hour. Can you please transfer

778
00:35:57,090 --> 00:35:59,430
S2: me this amount of money? Because I put five hours

779
00:35:59,430 --> 00:36:02,550
S2: into your dumb ass TV show? Like, aside from the

780
00:36:02,550 --> 00:36:04,920
S2: fact that the show was a joke and a mess, like,

781
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:06,870
S2: what was the point of this show?

782
00:36:07,260 --> 00:36:10,020
S3: Yeah, I agree. And also the final episode was by

783
00:36:10,020 --> 00:36:12,150
S3: far they were all really bad, but it was by

784
00:36:12,150 --> 00:36:15,660
S3: far the worst episode and I just have no idea

785
00:36:15,660 --> 00:36:18,030
S3: what happened or how it thought it could get away

786
00:36:18,030 --> 00:36:20,959
S3: with it. Like how, why, why did they do this?

787
00:36:21,060 --> 00:36:23,219
S1: We've talked about this before, about how the weekend is

788
00:36:23,219 --> 00:36:25,440
S1: trying to pretend. It's like a completely different show. And

789
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,040
S1: I don't know if you guys have seen his like,

790
00:36:27,060 --> 00:36:30,630
S1: tweets and what he's retweeting lately. It is so funny.

791
00:36:30,630 --> 00:36:34,350
S1: So he's retweeted this this take the Idol series with

792
00:36:34,350 --> 00:36:38,460
S1: all its controversies and outcries, was the most refreshingly postmodern

793
00:36:38,460 --> 00:36:43,290
S1: comedy of the year. Extraordinary. And then he's retweeted someone saying,

794
00:36:43,290 --> 00:36:45,450
S1: wait a minute, The very first scene of the show

795
00:36:45,450 --> 00:36:49,440
S1: literally shows Jocelyn acting all different types of emotions, foreshadowing

796
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:53,130
S1: her being the actual master manipulator on the show. Damn,

797
00:36:53,130 --> 00:36:56,010
S1: in all caps like this is the problem, right? Because

798
00:36:56,010 --> 00:36:58,710
S1: we've talked about this before. Maybe that's what they thought

799
00:36:58,710 --> 00:37:00,989
S1: they were doing, but like they clearly weren't. Like there

800
00:37:00,989 --> 00:37:03,180
S1: is a world in which the Jocelyn Twist, where she's

801
00:37:03,180 --> 00:37:06,420
S1: revealed is kind of taking the upper hand. Make sense?

802
00:37:06,420 --> 00:37:09,540
S1: But that was just not enough time, not enough actual plot,

803
00:37:09,540 --> 00:37:12,510
S1: not enough character development to make her rise to that position.

804
00:37:12,510 --> 00:37:16,110
S1: And the weekend fall from master manipulator to just being

805
00:37:16,110 --> 00:37:19,260
S1: this guy thrown out the window and left to kind

806
00:37:19,260 --> 00:37:21,030
S1: of wallow in a ditch. None of that made sense.

807
00:37:21,030 --> 00:37:23,610
S3: But then this was my also confusion with it was

808
00:37:23,610 --> 00:37:27,420
S3: we meant to feel sorry for Tedros Tedros by the

809
00:37:27,420 --> 00:37:30,180
S3: end of this because it didn't really make sense. Okay,

810
00:37:30,180 --> 00:37:33,030
S3: so he didn't get to be the face of all

811
00:37:33,030 --> 00:37:35,250
S3: the singers that they recruited. But then will we just

812
00:37:35,250 --> 00:37:37,320
S3: meant to overlook the kind of that he went to

813
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,530
S3: jail for kidnapping those people that he was pimping out women?

814
00:37:40,530 --> 00:37:42,510
S3: Were we meant to overlook what happened with Troye Sivan

815
00:37:42,510 --> 00:37:45,810
S3: and that shock thing like I don't well, is that

816
00:37:45,810 --> 00:37:47,580
S3: they wanted us to feel sorry.

817
00:37:47,700 --> 00:37:48,780
S5: For what they wanted.

818
00:37:49,020 --> 00:37:50,160
S3: Doesn't stack up.

819
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,830
S2: Yeah. They don't know what they wanted. Nothing made sense.

820
00:37:52,830 --> 00:37:54,990
S2: But I'm going to catalog some of my biggest fucking

821
00:37:54,989 --> 00:37:59,279
S2: gripes with the show, number one. Like, okay, so at

822
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:03,270
S2: the end of the show, essentially we have to believe

823
00:38:03,270 --> 00:38:06,450
S2: that Jocelyn was the master manipulator. Then she brings Tedros

824
00:38:06,450 --> 00:38:08,850
S2: back out in the final scene of the episode and

825
00:38:08,850 --> 00:38:11,940
S2: introduces him to this adoring crowd as the love of

826
00:38:11,940 --> 00:38:16,230
S2: her life. Despite the fact her people have organized a

827
00:38:16,230 --> 00:38:20,460
S2: Vanity Fair hit job on Tedros. So if Jocelyn, in

828
00:38:20,460 --> 00:38:23,190
S2: this world as a pop star, was to then declare

829
00:38:23,190 --> 00:38:25,439
S2: that love, her life was this horrible man who had

830
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,960
S2: held women hostage, who had been to jail, she would

831
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,029
S2: be canceled. Like that would be the end of Jocelyn

832
00:38:30,030 --> 00:38:31,470
S2: like that. That would be career.

833
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:33,719
S1: I not even thought about that. That is a very.

834
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:34,380
S5: Very good that would be.

835
00:38:34,380 --> 00:38:37,410
S2: Career suicide for her to bring out this guy on stage.

836
00:38:37,410 --> 00:38:40,590
S2: So that that makes zero sense. The other big moment

837
00:38:40,590 --> 00:38:43,170
S2: I think that people were talking about was at the end,

838
00:38:43,170 --> 00:38:47,730
S2: we see this controversial hairbrush that, you know, Jocelyn had

839
00:38:47,730 --> 00:38:50,190
S2: kind of said was what her mother used to abuse her.

840
00:38:50,580 --> 00:38:53,790
S2: The Weeknd's character picks it up despite the fact he's

841
00:38:53,790 --> 00:38:56,759
S2: held it before. And he's like, this is brand new.

842
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:58,680
S2: And she's like, yes. And so we're meant to believe

843
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,320
S2: that she made up that her mother ever used it

844
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,650
S2: on her. He's already held the hairbrush before.

845
00:39:05,070 --> 00:39:07,140
S3: But also, even if she did make up that her

846
00:39:07,140 --> 00:39:09,660
S3: mother used it on her, why was like, does that

847
00:39:09,660 --> 00:39:12,330
S3: make them? We meant to be like, oh, Tedros was

848
00:39:12,330 --> 00:39:16,650
S3: manipulated into beating her with a hairbrush. That doesn't make sense.

849
00:39:16,650 --> 00:39:19,740
S1: No. And also, why was Troy Seven's character like in

850
00:39:19,739 --> 00:39:21,239
S1: on the whole thing to the point of wanting to

851
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:22,860
S1: get shock collared?

852
00:39:22,950 --> 00:39:26,910
S2: Yeah, like, that's just insane. And, you know, it could

853
00:39:26,910 --> 00:39:29,100
S2: also conceivably be a new hairbrush because maybe, like, how

854
00:39:29,100 --> 00:39:31,799
S2: who keeps a fucking hairbrush for, like, 20 years anyway?

855
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:33,719
S2: And then the other thing that really, like, drove me

856
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,330
S2: insane about this was the whole scene of like, the

857
00:39:36,330 --> 00:39:39,690
S2: showcase of artists. Like, come on, man, these are like

858
00:39:39,690 --> 00:39:42,660
S2: record execs who would see super talented people all the time.

859
00:39:42,660 --> 00:39:45,060
S2: No one is like losing their minds over a bunch

860
00:39:45,060 --> 00:39:46,620
S2: of people who have got really good voices and do

861
00:39:46,620 --> 00:39:49,230
S2: some like the dancing and stuff. Like the fact that

862
00:39:49,230 --> 00:39:51,810
S2: we were supposed to believe that these industry professionals were

863
00:39:51,810 --> 00:39:53,609
S2: going to sit there and watch a bunch of talented

864
00:39:53,610 --> 00:39:55,560
S2: people seeing and just be like, Well, this is the

865
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,230
S2: greatest thing I've ever seen. You guys are definitely going

866
00:39:58,230 --> 00:39:58,730
S2: to be stopped.

867
00:39:58,770 --> 00:40:02,580
S1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Eli Roth's character, Fink, he's like supposed

868
00:40:02,580 --> 00:40:05,700
S1: to be this super hot ass guy. And he's like, Wow,

869
00:40:05,700 --> 00:40:10,050
S1: you absolute weirdo. Underage kids are so good at this

870
00:40:10,050 --> 00:40:12,840
S1: musical theater nonsense. It's going to be the biggest tour

871
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,930
S1: of all time. Yeah. What also, what happened to Dan Levy?

872
00:40:15,930 --> 00:40:19,050
S1: He was like, in this for 30s being part of

873
00:40:19,050 --> 00:40:21,140
S1: the kind of music industry side of things. He never

874
00:40:21,140 --> 00:40:22,270
S1: came back at all.

875
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:26,000
S2: Yeah, and like, Jocelyn's meant to be a pop star

876
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:27,120
S2: in the vein, and, like, you're kind of like, you know,

877
00:40:27,170 --> 00:40:29,569
S2: Britney Spears or Charlie XCX or dual or whatever. Like,

878
00:40:29,570 --> 00:40:32,600
S2: as if her demographic are going to be into the

879
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:36,169
S2: weird supergroup of, like, Tristan and Isaac and that girl

880
00:40:36,170 --> 00:40:37,070
S2: who sings about crocodiles.

881
00:40:37,070 --> 00:40:38,450
S5: Like also, can we.

882
00:40:38,450 --> 00:40:41,960
S3: Talk about Jocelyn's dancing in that scene? That was when

883
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:43,100
S3: she was just every.

884
00:40:43,100 --> 00:40:43,910
S2: Move was so literal.

885
00:40:43,910 --> 00:40:44,600
S5: With the lyrics.

886
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,339
S3: She did the bow and arrow thing, but then also

887
00:40:46,340 --> 00:40:48,050
S3: a lot of it, she was just like rolling around

888
00:40:48,050 --> 00:40:50,300
S3: on the floor, kind of like when my little dog

889
00:40:50,300 --> 00:40:52,520
S3: gets kind of an itchy back, like she was just

890
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,980
S3: kind of writhing around. There was no real movement. It

891
00:40:54,980 --> 00:40:56,299
S3: was very confusing. Yeah.

892
00:40:56,300 --> 00:40:59,330
S1: Do we think she's really selling out stadiums with her music?

893
00:40:59,330 --> 00:41:01,100
S1: And it's like, I'm not sure if I want to

894
00:41:01,100 --> 00:41:03,969
S1: see Jocelyn, but damn, she's got Isaac and the Crocodile girl.

895
00:41:03,980 --> 00:41:07,730
S1: Time to fork out $400. Line up online on Ticketek

896
00:41:07,730 --> 00:41:09,830
S1: for like three days and let's make this work. Let's go.

897
00:41:09,830 --> 00:41:11,660
S2: And also, they put the two together in six weeks.

898
00:41:11,670 --> 00:41:14,630
S2: Like it was just it was comically bad. But then

899
00:41:14,630 --> 00:41:18,439
S2: it became frustratingly like annoying that I had committed time

900
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:22,100
S2: to this. And and I think because I am clearly

901
00:41:22,100 --> 00:41:25,009
S2: so upset about the idol, it's like pissing me off

902
00:41:25,010 --> 00:41:27,890
S2: that the weekend won't like I'd have more respect for him.

903
00:41:27,890 --> 00:41:29,870
S2: And I love him as a musician that he's not

904
00:41:29,870 --> 00:41:32,930
S2: even coming out and being like, okay, you know, like

905
00:41:32,930 --> 00:41:35,359
S2: this didn't maybe turn out exactly as we hoped, but

906
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:36,980
S2: we put a lot of effort into it. And it's

907
00:41:36,980 --> 00:41:40,339
S2: been an interesting it's like some kind of disclaimer or

908
00:41:40,340 --> 00:41:41,750
S2: some kind of concession.

909
00:41:41,930 --> 00:41:44,600
S3: And also, I don't really get Sam Levinson. I know

910
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,360
S3: we've discussed him before, and sometimes we have some problems

911
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,779
S3: with these kind of obsession with damaged women. But Euphoria

912
00:41:50,780 --> 00:41:54,049
S3: had pacing and timing. Malcolm and Marie had pacing and

913
00:41:54,050 --> 00:41:57,799
S3: timing and development. I don't really get how he let

914
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:02,090
S3: this happen. Regardless of his kind of world view. He

915
00:42:02,090 --> 00:42:04,490
S3: does seem to know how to make a show, and

916
00:42:04,489 --> 00:42:07,010
S3: I don't really know how he's allowed this to happen.

917
00:42:07,010 --> 00:42:07,640
S5: Yeah, let's talk.

918
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:09,500
S1: About who won and lost out of this show. So

919
00:42:09,500 --> 00:42:12,920
S1: I feel like Lily-Rose Depp We didn't know heaps about

920
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:16,850
S1: her kind of acting ability. She'd had a couple of singles.

921
00:42:16,850 --> 00:42:18,830
S1: I think she's come out of this okay. Like, I

922
00:42:18,830 --> 00:42:21,620
S1: think if anything, people feel a bit sorry for how

923
00:42:21,620 --> 00:42:23,719
S1: she was using the show, but she can act and

924
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,930
S1: she can sing. I think Troye Sivan has come out

925
00:42:26,930 --> 00:42:28,430
S1: of this pretty well. I think his acting is like

926
00:42:28,430 --> 00:42:32,509
S1: really good. I think the weekend and Sam Levinson came

927
00:42:32,510 --> 00:42:37,250
S1: into this show with huge expectations, huge critical acclaim, and

928
00:42:37,250 --> 00:42:41,450
S1: I think they've really, really, really ruined their reputations.

929
00:42:41,780 --> 00:42:45,259
S2: Yeah, the stench will stay with them the longest for sure,

930
00:42:45,260 --> 00:42:48,230
S2: because they're both obviously their hands are like all over

931
00:42:48,230 --> 00:42:51,350
S2: it and famously so whereas Lily-Rose Depp, I think people

932
00:42:51,350 --> 00:42:53,090
S2: are like almost feel sorry for her.

933
00:42:53,180 --> 00:42:55,910
S3: Yeah, I agree. And I do think the songs that

934
00:42:55,910 --> 00:42:58,150
S3: she agreed that she made a quite a banger so

935
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,160
S3: she did prove that she's got a diverse talent range.

936
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:05,029
S3: But yeah, I think she did the best with what

937
00:43:05,030 --> 00:43:07,010
S3: she had available and it does seem like it's not

938
00:43:07,010 --> 00:43:09,350
S3: so much her acting that was wrong. It was the script,

939
00:43:09,350 --> 00:43:11,569
S3: it was the direction, it was the way it was

940
00:43:11,570 --> 00:43:14,300
S3: put together as a show. So yeah, I think definitely

941
00:43:14,300 --> 00:43:14,750
S3: Weekend and.

942
00:43:14,750 --> 00:43:15,560
S5: Sam Yeah, I'm.

943
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:19,190
S1: Probably most fascinated with where Sam Levinson goes because he

944
00:43:19,190 --> 00:43:22,219
S1: was so hot after Euphoria and I guess HBO was

945
00:43:22,219 --> 00:43:25,760
S1: willing to greenlight anything after this. I mean, he probably

946
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,950
S1: will still get another show up, but I don't think

947
00:43:27,950 --> 00:43:30,440
S1: it'll be on the same terms both financially and in

948
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,410
S1: terms of the creative control he has. So I think

949
00:43:33,410 --> 00:43:35,270
S1: that is a space to watch.

950
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:37,790
S2: Yeah, definitely. I also think it hasn't been interesting like

951
00:43:37,790 --> 00:43:41,150
S2: True seven especially like he I think did really well

952
00:43:41,150 --> 00:43:42,830
S2: in the show. He's got like I didn't realize how

953
00:43:42,830 --> 00:43:45,170
S2: enormous his social following was. It's got like 14 million

954
00:43:45,170 --> 00:43:47,419
S2: followers on Instagram or something. He I noticed the other

955
00:43:47,420 --> 00:43:51,110
S2: day like he barely posts about the show barely posted

956
00:43:51,110 --> 00:43:53,630
S2: about the finale. Like it's interesting to see when you

957
00:43:53,630 --> 00:43:55,850
S2: have these big projects and which have obviously been completed

958
00:43:55,850 --> 00:43:58,340
S2: ages ago and then the people involved get to like

959
00:43:58,340 --> 00:43:59,930
S2: see how the public are reacting. It's always interesting to

960
00:43:59,930 --> 00:44:03,140
S2: see like what their response is and, you know, like

961
00:44:03,140 --> 00:44:06,200
S2: Lily-Rose Depp and the weekend obviously like posting posting about

962
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,930
S2: it all the time but Troy was very like barely

963
00:44:08,930 --> 00:44:11,120
S2: on his grid, barely posts Instagram stories about it like

964
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,430
S2: clearly distancing himself from the show.

965
00:44:13,460 --> 00:44:15,680
S3: I'm excited for in a few years when the dust

966
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,140
S3: has settled and they've all moved on in their careers,

967
00:44:18,140 --> 00:44:20,840
S3: that they'll be able to talk really frankly and honestly

968
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:22,940
S3: about what has happened. But I did just want to

969
00:44:22,940 --> 00:44:24,770
S3: shout out there was one part that really got me

970
00:44:24,770 --> 00:44:27,830
S3: in this last episode, and it was when Tedros was

971
00:44:27,830 --> 00:44:30,770
S3: trying to get in to see Lily-Rose Depp before her

972
00:44:30,770 --> 00:44:35,120
S3: stadium tour. And the security guard is like, Who are you?

973
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,310
S3: And he's like, I'm Tedros. And they're like, Tedros who?

974
00:44:37,310 --> 00:44:38,930
S5: And just it.

975
00:44:38,930 --> 00:44:41,239
S3: Just I was like, That's really that's the best moment

976
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:42,740
S3: of the episode, making him say Tedros.

977
00:44:42,739 --> 00:44:45,589
S1: Tedros Yeah. That was also a couple of gags, I

978
00:44:45,590 --> 00:44:49,219
S1: think when I think Eli Roth's character, Tetris, Super Mario Brothers,

979
00:44:49,219 --> 00:44:49,910
S1: whatever this guy is.

980
00:44:50,060 --> 00:44:51,230
S2: He was the only one that made me laugh the

981
00:44:51,230 --> 00:44:53,090
S2: whole show. His lines were great. He almost felt like

982
00:44:53,090 --> 00:44:54,290
S2: he was taking the piss out of the show like

983
00:44:54,290 --> 00:44:56,150
S2: he was. So, yeah, definitely.

984
00:44:56,390 --> 00:45:00,529
S1: Thomas and Mel, let's wrap things up there. Thank you

985
00:45:00,530 --> 00:45:04,250
S1: both for this wonderful Barbie chat and the kind of

986
00:45:04,250 --> 00:45:07,160
S1: depressing but still very satisfying to hear Thomas get mad

987
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,110
S1: conversation about the idol.

988
00:45:09,260 --> 00:45:11,150
S3: I haven't heard him that mad since he got a

989
00:45:11,150 --> 00:45:12,590
S3: bad photo with Tom Cruise.

990
00:45:13,430 --> 00:45:15,500
S2: Yeah, I know. If you catch up with me, can

991
00:45:15,500 --> 00:45:17,360
S2: you please let him know that I'm keen for another shot?

992
00:45:17,540 --> 00:45:19,969
S1: Yeah. Yeah. I'll invite you to our Oppenheimer screening, but

993
00:45:19,969 --> 00:45:22,189
S1: not the Bobby one. That's. Just for me and him. Perfect.

994
00:45:26,989 --> 00:45:29,870
S1: This episode of The Drop was produced by Kai Wong.

995
00:45:29,989 --> 00:45:32,810
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996
00:45:32,810 --> 00:45:35,549
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997
00:45:35,570 --> 00:45:38,060
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998
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