1 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: The Australian Financial Review. Hello, and welcome to fifteen Minutes 2 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 1: with the Boss. I really hope you enjoyed last week's 3 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: extended version of Matt Common, the Chief executive of Commwealth Bank. 4 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 1: This week we're going to play an extended version of 5 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 1: the podcast we recorded a couple of months ago with 6 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,600 Speaker 1: Janine Alice, the founder of Boost Juice. Again. There were 7 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 1: so many great takeaways that just didn't make the final cut, 8 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: So really hoping you'll enjoy a fuller conversation with Janine. 9 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:38,279 Speaker 1: Next week we were returned to our normal programming. Please enjoy. 10 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 2: I really care about future, Jenny. I had an AHA 11 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 2: moment years ago. I remember being in be Haven Beach 12 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 2: in Victoria and I saw a woman, she was probably 13 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 2: eighty eight, with a surfboard under her arm, and I said, 14 00:00:55,600 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 2: I want to be her. You talk about this imposter syndrome, right, 15 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 2: I think it's just bullshit. Right. 16 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,680 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Sally Patton, editor of Boss from the Australian 17 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 1: Financial Review, and welcome to fifteen Minutes with the Boss, 18 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 1: a podcast about success and failure and everything in between. 19 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: And along the way we're hoping to get some great 20 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: advice from our leaders. My guest today is Jeanine Alis, 21 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: the founder of Boost Juice and the chairman of retail Zoo. 22 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: Hi Jeene, How are you good? How are you very well? 23 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you so much for coming in today. 24 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: You are the founder of boost Juice and the chairman 25 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: of retail Zoo, which houses boost Soulsa's Fresh Mechs Grill 26 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: and Betty's Burgers, and you also sit on the board 27 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: of Cogan, the online retailer. You started Boosting two thousand 28 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: and when you are thirty two, and there are now 29 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: eight hundred and fifty stores in thirteen country and you 30 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: also have about sixty Betty's Burgers. That sounds like a 31 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: lot to keep you busy. But on top of all 32 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: of that, you are a previous winner of the Telstra 33 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 1: Businesswoman of the Year, and you've appeared on Shak Tank, 34 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:16,239 Speaker 1: Australian Survivor, Celebrity Apprentice and Gordon Ramsay's Food Stars. You're 35 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: everywhere No, No, Yeah, I've been busy. I say yes 36 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 1: a lot. You do. Yeah. Actually, do you make a 37 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: point of saying yes? 38 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 2: I do. I think life's more interesting if you say 39 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 2: yes before you say no, Because no means safe, no 40 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 2: means you know, don't you put yourself out there? So 41 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:33,959 Speaker 2: for me, yes has been fun. 42 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: Oh that's interesting. Yeah, because no means not taking any chances. 43 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 2: And you don't. The status quo absolutely doesn't change. 44 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: I love that we won't waste any more time. The 45 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 1: clock starts now. And my first question is, and I'm 46 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: slightly nervous to ask this in your case, what does 47 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: your morning routine look like? What time do you get up? 48 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 2: The alarm goes off about quarter plus five. I do 49 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 2: the same thing every morning. So I get up, I 50 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 2: have vitamins, I do my facial cream, blabblah. I go downstairs. 51 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 2: By that stage, I've got two dogs and a cat 52 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 2: following me at my feet. So I feed the cat 53 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,679 Speaker 2: first because it's moles the loudest, so the dogs can wait. 54 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,399 Speaker 2: I then put on my Prana Chai on the pop because. 55 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 1: It needs to brew, right. 56 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,239 Speaker 2: I then feed the dogs because then they're that stage 57 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 2: they've done after they've done away right, So then I've 58 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 2: actually check in and I checked the surf. And so 59 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 2: by the time the dogs have fed, the dishwashers cleaned, 60 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 2: and I've had more supplements and I have now got 61 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,239 Speaker 2: my chies now read to brew. I then get in 62 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 2: my car at about ten to six to six and 63 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 2: then head to the beach. 64 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: And are you a surfer? 65 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 2: Yes? 66 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: On longboards or. 67 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 2: Oh my long long long boards. So yeah, so then 68 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 2: I find we'd find a wave. Some days successful, some 69 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 2: days not. But every day I will get in the ocean. 70 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 2: I truly believe that it's something energetic about the ocean. 71 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 2: I think that the minerals of the salt and watching 72 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 2: the sun rise, and I mean it's already proved and 73 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 2: that the circadian rhythms of watching the sun rise helps 74 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 2: with sleep. So on every level, it does grounding, it 75 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 2: does exercise, It does you know, it does the social 76 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 2: aspect of doing it with a girlfriend. It does the 77 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 2: mental thing of the challenge. 78 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: Of doing surfing, which is huge. 79 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 2: And I just get out of the ocean, have a coffee, 80 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 2: you have a laugh, you break down that wave or 81 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 2: that thing you missed or how you stuffed it up, 82 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 2: and then you get on with your day. 83 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 1: Oh so, have you surved for a long time? 84 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 2: No, not really. I started surfing when I was forty 85 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 2: and I was living in Melbourne, so it was kind 86 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 2: of difficult because it would only be on weekends or 87 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 2: on holidays. And it was only when I moved to 88 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 2: the northern Beaches of Sydney that the beach was just 89 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 2: there that I went right, Okay, well I used to 90 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 2: lie I liked it, but I never had the opportunities. 91 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 2: So then yeah, I got my favorite board and yeah, 92 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 2: me and my board go go for a goat in. 93 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 1: The water every day. Wow fantastic. So in addition to 94 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: all those vitamins, do you also eat breakfast? 95 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 2: No, I don't eat breakfast. I will I'll come back 96 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 2: in the morning and I will after my child because 97 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 2: my child is pretty juicy. I do a Givani has 98 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 2: a no sugar yogurt, right, and I'm again very routined. 99 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 2: So I do that and I mix in with that 100 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 2: creatine and restrevertol into the yogurt, and then I do 101 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 2: a fiber in there and then I add in there 102 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 2: again low sugar musli, which is a cocoa. And so 103 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 2: that's what I have in the morning. I have that 104 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 2: while I put the sauna on. 105 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: Do they go on the sauna? Ah? So when you 106 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 1: do the sauna thing, is that a hot cold or 107 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 1: is it just a sauna? It's sauna. And then I 108 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: jump in the pool, right, Okay, so you do it 109 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 1: out doing a bit of hot and cold. Yes, okay, 110 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: that is quite a routine. 111 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,359 Speaker 2: It is, and it's the same thing like now I 112 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 2: say that. Look, I travel into state and you know, 113 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 2: things get thrown out. But that is my routine that 114 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 2: really is working for me. 115 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 1: Okay. My next question is, can you tell me about 116 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 1: a pivocial moment in your career, approject that you took on, 117 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,679 Speaker 1: or something that you did that really changed the nature 118 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 1: and the whole path of what you were doing. Look, 119 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 1: I think it's the starting boost. 120 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 2: You know. I was a publicist at the United International 121 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 2: Pictures for a movie company, and you know a couple 122 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 2: of things. I had three little kids at home, and 123 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 2: it was you know, life before and after. And I 124 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 2: think the interesting thing with boost was naivety got me 125 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 2: into it because I thought, how hard could it be? 126 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 2: No one told me if I said to them, I'll 127 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:16,919 Speaker 2: by the way, I'd like to start at a juice 128 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 2: bar with no business experience, not a degree in anything. Apparently, 129 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 2: I'm actually the only degree I've ever got in my 130 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 2: life is a yoga instructor degree. So I'm actually a 131 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 2: yoga teacher. And that's kind of it right and so yeah, 132 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 2: so for me it was really being this young woman 133 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 2: on a massive learning curve of how to actually work 134 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 2: out how to run a business because I found the 135 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 2: weight of getting it right was huge. But I also 136 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 2: believe that I'm not an expert and ever will be. 137 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 2: But I'm a student and so I was a student 138 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 2: of business and how to learn doing business was doing it. 139 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 1: So did you think long and hard before you set 140 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: up boost or did you just think that's it, I'm 141 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: going to just I'm going to do this. Just that's it. 142 00:06:58,839 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 1: Let's see. 143 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 2: I saw the cad of in America of the smoothie category. 144 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 2: There was nothing in Australia at the time that had 145 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 2: anything anything that resembled food. You know, it was fried 146 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 2: this and fried that or hot pies. And so for 147 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 2: me to start a business that could get more fruit 148 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 2: and vegetables in people's diet was like really appealing to me. 149 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 2: I wanted to create something that I wanted to go 150 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 2: to as a customer and that was a philosophy. 151 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: Okay, So what was the hardest part about setting it 152 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: up At the time? 153 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 2: I think everything, Like the year I started was the start. 154 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 2: This same year that GST came involved and I went, right, Okay, 155 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 2: don't know how to do that. 156 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: We'll have to work it out. 157 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 2: So everything was I had to work it out. You know, 158 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 2: I didn't understand about voltages of equipment. I didn't understand 159 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 2: about das of science. I didn't understand about leasy, I 160 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 2: didn't understand I didn't understand about food and stand about 161 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 2: the food standards code. I can go on for the 162 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 2: next fifteen minutes about the stuff I didn't understand, which 163 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 2: I won't. But the thing was that it was just 164 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 2: doing it and going, Okay, how do I learn? And 165 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 2: then how do I create a system and how do 166 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 2: I create a process. So when you look at any brands, 167 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 2: all brands start within air an idea and then they 168 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 2: have to become a business that has eight hundred stores 169 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 2: in thirteen countries. 170 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: Wow, it's a great story. So what's the best piece 171 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: of career advice you've ever been given? 172 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 2: You know, obviously high slowly and far fast is one thing. 173 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 2: And making sure because it's all about people. You know, 174 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 2: your business is only successful as your weakest person. 175 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: On that note, do you have you fired a lot 176 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: of people as soon as their probation or just before 177 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: their probation period has finished. 178 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, ideally, yes, that's pretty much. But then sometimes, you 179 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 2: know the other thing I've done badly is I set 180 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 2: people up to fail. I don't mean to, but you know, 181 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 2: if they're really good at something, you go all right, 182 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 2: I'll give you more and more and more and more, 183 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 2: and then suddenly they don't want to let you down, 184 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 2: but they're not capable of what I've given them. 185 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: I've done that before, and that's interesting. So if you 186 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: learned from that and learned how to help people along 187 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: the way rather than to set them up for failure, yeah. 188 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 2: Look, I have first and foremost acknowledging that maybe they're 189 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:59,199 Speaker 2: not able to do that next step and or ensuring 190 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 2: that they're more proper head. So I think the key 191 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 2: thing with any leader is that before you actually look 192 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 2: at the person, you look at yourself first. Have I 193 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 2: given them the resources? Have I given them the opportunity? 194 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: Have I given them the tools? 195 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 2: So if I've done if I can do that, and 196 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 2: have I communicated more importantly what I needed done? 197 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: So if I can. 198 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 2: Tick all those those boxes and often I don't take 199 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 2: those boxes and right I need to look at that, 200 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 2: then you can go right Okay, well maybe it's not 201 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 2: working out. So I think the key thing is people, 202 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 2: and it's also reviewing people, but not only just it's 203 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 2: not about firing fast. It's also about how do you 204 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:39,479 Speaker 2: communicate and be the best possible leader, How do you 205 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 2: give them the tools for them to be the. 206 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:42,839 Speaker 1: Best version of themselves? 207 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 2: And how do you motivate them, you know, how do 208 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 2: you inspire them to create the unachievable. 209 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: So besides hiring slowly and firing fast, what other great 210 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:54,839 Speaker 1: piece of career advice have you picked up again? 211 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 2: With people you know, don't blunt their sword? 212 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: Can you explain that? Yes? 213 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 2: So what I mean by that is that you know, 214 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 2: some person is if they're really highly creative, right, and 215 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 2: you go, right, you're a creative and you're in the role, 216 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 2: don't try and make them analytical? Right, So, because quite 217 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 2: often what you do is if you try and go, 218 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 2: you need to do better paperworking, you need to do this, 219 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 2: you've got to do all these things or be or 220 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 2: you've got to do the analytics of what you're doing. Well, 221 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 2: suddenly you're killing their creativity. And so in actual fact, 222 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 2: you're better off getting an analytical person with them and 223 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 2: getting to respect each other and see where the power is. 224 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 2: That's where the true power comes from. And so not 225 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 2: blunting this sort I think is really important too, and 226 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 2: just surround putting the right people in the right roles. 227 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 1: That's interesting. So do you think the same in terms 228 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 1: of managements? Just because someone is creative and is really 229 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 1: good at what they do doesn't necessarily mean they're going 230 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: to be a great manager. 231 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 2: Correct, And they don't want to be a great manager. 232 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 1: So have you made the mistake before of promoting someone 233 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: to a manager when actually that was. 234 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 2: Totally completely you know, and completely and sometimes I don't 235 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 2: even know it. They just go, oh, I should be 236 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 2: progressing because I should be. Well no, maybe you just 237 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 2: love you do and that's okay, you know, so, but 238 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 2: it's all about people. I think. The other one is 239 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 2: on a business sense is really understanding the numbers, and 240 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 2: I do, and so you know, to create make people 241 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 2: accountable for our own areas. As your business gets bigger, you 242 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 2: need to still think small. So and how do you 243 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 2: do that? And how you do it is by going 244 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 2: making people accountable for their areas. So instead of having 245 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 2: this big black void of expenses, you break it into areas. 246 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 2: So people are accountable and rewarded and recognized for ensuring 247 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 2: they manage those costs or drive those sales. 248 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: Oh so drive the numbers into smaller parcels as you 249 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,439 Speaker 1: possibly can. Correct and give people responsibility for that parcel. 250 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 2: Correct and educate them to understand it. A lot of 251 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 2: most people don't understand p and ls, and the P 252 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 2: and L is the most easy, simple form of maths 253 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 2: you can possibly do. 254 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: In other words, a profit loss account correct. 255 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 2: How much income did you get in and what are 256 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 2: the expenses that went out? 257 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 1: And what's left? That is no more complicated than that. 258 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: That's also really good advice. I love that. Okay, on 259 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 1: that note, we are going to take a short break, 260 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: but Jeanine, don't go away. We're going to come back 261 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: and open our lovely chatterbox. Welcome back to fifteen Minutes 262 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: with the Boss. I am Sally Pattion, the editor of Boss, 263 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 1: and I'm here with Jeanine Alice, the founder of Boost. Now, Jeanine, 264 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: this is our section called the chatterbox in front of you. 265 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: As you can see, is this lovely quite our low 266 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: fire I'm afraid cardboard box inside, which are about fifteen questions. 267 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you to pick some out one 268 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: by one and we'll do more Q and A. All 269 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: right there, okay, great, thank you. What's the best or 270 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: worst business idea you've ever had? Let's go with. Do 271 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: you have business ideas all the time? 272 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 2: No, not necessarily, Okay, no, I suppose. But early on 273 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 2: there was something called Harry Harry's in early days, which 274 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 2: I thought it was going to be a children's headdressing 275 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,319 Speaker 2: salon that they have specifically for kids. 276 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: I saw it in brands. 277 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 2: I thought that'd be a great idea, and then I 278 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:13,959 Speaker 2: did the business plan and went, it's not going to 279 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:16,199 Speaker 2: make any money. And I'm never I'm not a hairdresser, 280 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:18,559 Speaker 2: so but it was a nice idea, but no, No. 281 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 2: The other one was Tosses, which was a salad bar. 282 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 2: But didn't realize that there's a lot of English landlords 283 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 2: and they didn't like the name Tosses because tosses in England, 284 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:33,239 Speaker 2: that's true, Nanan's not the same as tossing a salad sod. 285 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: So if you happen to sell your current businesses and 286 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: you could serve a business another business, do you know 287 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 1: what it would be? Do you sort of ever think 288 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: about what that might be. 289 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I would like to set up a 290 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:45,559 Speaker 2: cutting edge. 291 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: Health retreat one day, and you still might do that. Yeah, maybe, 292 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,599 Speaker 1: who knows? Okay, is it one where you're going to 293 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 1: help me to live in til I'm one hundred? Yeah? 294 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 1: Why not? Excellent? Okay, loving that, have another fish in 295 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: the box. Let's go, Okay, here we go. Okay, in 296 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: your experience, what is the best way for people to 297 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 1: get a promotion? 298 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 2: Do a great job and don't be pushy about it, 299 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 2: but make sure the right people know that you're doing 300 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:10,719 Speaker 2: a great job. And I think that when you're when 301 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 2: you're going for a promotion, don't just sit in front 302 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 2: of your boss and tell you why it's good for you. 303 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:18,839 Speaker 2: You need to explain it to them why it's good 304 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 2: for the business. 305 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: And is that effectively saying this is what I could 306 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: do for the business, and this is why I think 307 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: I'm the right person. 308 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 2: Correct through evidence, you've noticed that I've done this, this, this, 309 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 2: and I achieved this, and I was like, I beat 310 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 2: my budget and I did this. You know, I'd really 311 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 2: like to progress. And then I would say to them 312 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 2: what do I need to do with courses or what 313 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 2: do I need to do to achieve my goal of 314 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 2: that promotion. So instead of just going I want say, 315 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 2: all right, this is what I believe I can give 316 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 2: to the business. But also this is the path I'd 317 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 2: like to take. What do I need to do to 318 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 2: achieve that? 319 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: And do you find that women are less good at 320 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: doing that than men? 321 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 2: Less? So? 322 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: Now are they good? 323 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 2: We've got to remember that we are not a robot. 324 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 2: We are human beings that have got thousands of years 325 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 2: of DNA and how we are right. So, yes, the 326 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 2: man goes up and goes kills a lion, it comes 327 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 2: back and we eat it. Right. Women are social right, 328 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 2: So even even today, if you look at any major 329 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 2: overseas charities, the most effective charities is when they give 330 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 2: the money to the women. Right. 331 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: Yes, we all know. 332 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 2: That, right because they will look after the group. So 333 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 2: women definitely need recognition, but I think women are now 334 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 2: starting to go. We also need to be rewarded for that. 335 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 2: There's any women listening to this. Recognition is important and 336 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 2: we should but equally know. 337 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: You're worth financially as well as in other areas rather respects. Right, Yeah, okay, no, 338 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: I like that. Okay, next question, have a let's have 339 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: a go who is the person outside of the business 340 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: world whom you most admire and why. 341 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 2: You know, I don't put people on pedestals. And I 342 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 2: learned that when I was twenty one year old working 343 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 2: on Dave Bowi yacht, because I always thought there were 344 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 2: special people, like there was people that were like super people. 345 00:15:58,840 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: And there was just us. 346 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 2: And when I actually work with Bowie, I met Mick 347 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 2: Jagger and David Bowie, Michael Kain and Robin Williams and 348 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 2: Eric Idol and all of these type of people, and 349 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 2: I realized I was just people, right. And then I 350 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 2: was a publicist for the United International Pictures and I 351 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 2: met someone like Patrick Stewart and he's not the captain 352 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 2: of the Star Trek Enterprise. 353 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: I thought he was, but he's not. 354 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 2: Right. So in actual fact, so musicians, I certainly admire 355 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 2: God the talent of people who can can act and 356 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 2: they can you know, they can see. I mean God, 357 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 2: I admire the talent that's extraordinary. But I think it's 358 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 2: people that make changes in the world, like Fiona Wood, 359 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 2: you know, who is an inventor of skin for burns victims, 360 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 2: which is life changing. She was Austrain of the Year 361 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 2: and she did skin graphs for burn victims, you know, 362 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 2: and then you link think of Warren Buffett, right, Warren 363 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 2: Buffett who is a simple, clear communicator and speaks a 364 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 2: lot of SATs to a lot of people who want 365 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 2: to invest. Right, So there's people like that, I go, well, 366 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:06,360 Speaker 2: and what he uses his money for is to literally 367 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 2: change the world. Bill Gates. Bill Gates wanted to help 368 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 2: sanitization in third world countries because why because it is important? 369 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 2: And so people like that are like extraordinary people. You know, 370 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 2: people who helped with the vaccine for COVID, whether you 371 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 2: thought it was right or wrong. Those sort of people 372 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 2: which are quite extraordinary. Where I always thought one person 373 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 2: can't change the world, it's whether those type of people 374 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:36,360 Speaker 2: can actually change how the world is and how we 375 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 2: think and and what we think is possible. 376 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 1: So the fact that you have never put anybody up 377 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: on a pedestal, at least since you were in your 378 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 1: early twenties, has that somehow helped you in business because 379 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 1: you're not You don't hold people in awe. 380 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 2: But I also don't hold myself in awe. Right, So 381 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 2: I don't hold people in all, but I don't hold 382 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,919 Speaker 2: myself in awe. People who work for me, I always 383 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,439 Speaker 2: consider them working with me because I can't do it 384 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 2: without them, right, I can't do it without it without 385 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 2: a team of super smart people. And that might be 386 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:07,919 Speaker 2: the local lawyer or the local accountant. Now, I finished 387 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 2: school at sixteen, right, My school didn't even go to 388 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 2: year twelve, was a tech school. But equally, I never 389 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 2: ever felt that I was less than someone. All I 390 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 2: felt was in a room that we needed to get 391 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 2: shit done, and I needed to learn a lot, and 392 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:23,880 Speaker 2: I hated paying legal fees, right, And so my view 393 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:27,400 Speaker 2: was I thought, and this didn't actually come to fruition, 394 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 2: but I used to think, if I'm paying a lawyer 395 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 2: who's been to school for six years to do law, 396 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 2: and I'm paying them seven hundred to one thousand dollars 397 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 2: an hour, I want to not just go is that 398 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 2: contract right? 399 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 1: Right? 400 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 2: I want to make sure they sit down and go 401 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,439 Speaker 2: through everything and learn. So, you know, I think that 402 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 2: I know as much about trademarks, worldwide trade monks and 403 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 2: any other lawyer right contract law. You know, I'm certainly 404 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 2: no lawyer, but I've but I've taken the time to 405 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 2: understand it, so I know what question the right question 406 00:18:57,119 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 2: to ask the other thing I found out by having 407 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 2: that curious mind is lawyers get it wrong a lot, 408 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 2: and so do accounts a lot. And so if you 409 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 2: just blindly go, oh, the lawyer's looked over and sign 410 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 2: it or more for you, and don't actually complain in 411 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:15,360 Speaker 2: five years time if you need to get that contract out, 412 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:16,120 Speaker 2: it's not what you want. 413 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: Ah. So it sounds like your humility and your just 414 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 1: desire to learn and to be across everything has really 415 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 1: stood you in good stead. 416 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 2: I don't see it as humility. I see it as 417 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 2: understanding my knowledge base and understanding that I'm the student always, 418 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 2: and I'm talking about that even this current era. You know, 419 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 2: I've got a son who's a successful YouTuber. So if 420 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 2: I'm talking about social media, I'm not going on the parent, 421 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:45,919 Speaker 2: I'm the all wise and knowing parent. I'm going hey, Riley, 422 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:47,679 Speaker 2: can you help me with this? Or Oliver, what do 423 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 2: you think of that? Or so, Yeah, it's not humility. 424 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 2: I think it's realism. 425 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. 426 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 2: You know where people talk about this imposter syndrome, right, 427 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 2: I think it's just bullshit. 428 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: Right, Oh okay, tell me why? 429 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 2: Well, because we are all learn there is no one 430 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 2: out there who's an expert if someone turns to me 431 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:07,679 Speaker 2: and say I am an expert in blah, then I 432 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 2: just look at them and go, wow, that's really sad 433 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 2: for you, because there's nothing more fit to learn. I mean, 434 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 2: I know, I'm the fifteen minutes with the boss. Well, 435 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 2: I'm sorry. If anyone's listening to her, you're not listening 436 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 2: to an expert. Right, But as soon as someone thinks 437 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 2: you're an expert, that means that they don't need to 438 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 2: learn anything else. 439 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: They're an expert. Oh that's interesting. So if we're all learning, 440 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:25,640 Speaker 1: then there's no such thing as improcesses. 441 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,159 Speaker 2: No, No, we're just learning. If you're just there on 442 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 2: the curve and you're learning. Yeah, so when someone sort 443 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 2: of goes, I feel like I'm supposed to be. No, 444 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 2: you're supposed to be wherever you are. 445 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's okay, that's great. Okay, next question, have a 446 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 1: fish in the box, So tell me about your favorite 447 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 1: health hack. Assuming you've only got one, you've probably got lots. 448 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: Can you point to a couple. 449 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 2: I'm an early adopter in the health hack, so let 450 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 2: me explain why health. 451 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 1: Is important to me. 452 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 2: I really care about future Jeanine, about future Jeanine. Right, 453 00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 2: I care about her. So I want to have the 454 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 2: dis today to ensure that future Genine's okay. 455 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:06,679 Speaker 1: So what does that mean for me? 456 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,400 Speaker 2: It means that I get good sleep, I don't drink 457 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 2: much alcohol, I exercise, and I. 458 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: Eat relatively well. 459 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 2: Right. I know that sounds like I'm incredibly boring person, 460 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 2: but I've also got the curious mind of elder out there. 461 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 2: So people like David Sinclair Peter Attia who are really 462 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:28,439 Speaker 2: leading the way in longevity. You know, there's a Japanese 463 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 2: scientist that actually discovered something called muse stem cells m US, 464 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 2: and these are cells that come from embilical cords and 465 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 2: other sort of blood components that actually are super strong. 466 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 2: And they are now doing IVS with stem cells using 467 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 2: these mw cells and actually having some incredible advancements on 468 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,919 Speaker 2: spinal injuries and MS and all sorts of things. It's 469 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 2: actually quite fascinating research. So I'm sort of fascinated to 470 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:59,360 Speaker 2: look and investigate all of these different hacks that can 471 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 2: help future Janine be the best version of herself. 472 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:03,880 Speaker 1: And is this because you want to live until you're 473 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 1: one hundred? 474 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 2: No? 475 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: You know what it is. 476 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 2: I had an a harm moment years ago, and I 477 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 2: saw a little old lady walking with a walker, and 478 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:12,919 Speaker 2: I sort of thought, oh God, I do not want. 479 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 1: To be her. I remember being in fair Haven. 480 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 2: Beach in Victoria and I saw a woman she was 481 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 2: probably eighty eight, with a surfboard under her arm, and 482 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,159 Speaker 2: I said, I want to be her. And so that 483 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 2: was my AHA moment of going I can choose. And 484 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 2: I also decided that every decision that I make today 485 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 2: dictates which version of myself I will be. And I 486 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 2: feel great. I have a red light bed at home, 487 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 2: so it looks like a solarium, but it's actually red light. 488 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 2: So I lay in that every day and I all 489 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 2: love it. So a part of that morning routine of 490 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 2: saunas da data, I ended up with doing videoga and 491 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 2: I ended up in the red light. And so yes, 492 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 2: so I'm finding that, you know, I'm feeling the best 493 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 2: I've ever felt. 494 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: So that would be one of your hacks. Maybe a 495 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 1: red bed, a red bed. And what supplements do you take? 496 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 2: I got how long have you got? Oh? No, I've 497 00:22:56,320 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 2: got abrisrevitol MNM. I take a mega th free, I 498 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 2: take gincing Genkobela BA, I take creatine, I take vitamin D. 499 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 1: So yeah, so I take sort of range a range, 500 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: and then how much slip do you get in it. 501 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 2: I like to be in bed by eight thirty nine o'clock, 502 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 2: so i'd like to get a good eight and I 503 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:19,120 Speaker 2: mostly get eight uninterrupted eight hour sleep. Oh and I'm 504 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 2: also on and a massive fan of hit. 505 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 1: Oh okay, it works for you. 506 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 2: There's a curve that actually goes up with regard to 507 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 2: increase of all sorts of mortalities, and then the curve 508 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 2: when you are taking HRT. It also makes sense to me. 509 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 2: I don't know if on the most simplest terms is 510 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,360 Speaker 2: that as soon as you cannot bear children, the body goes, well, 511 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 2: what's the point, But it kind of goes what's the point. 512 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,640 Speaker 2: So I think if you're continuing to keep your hormones 513 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,680 Speaker 2: im balance, then your body is in balance. And I 514 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 2: implore women. 515 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,239 Speaker 1: To at least do the research on it. Well, I 516 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 1: wish you luck and I have every confidence that you'll 517 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: be surfing when you're eighty eight. Yeah, that's a planned great. Okay, 518 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 1: I have another go in the box. What part of 519 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: your job don't you like filling informs? 520 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 2: I think that is just the monotonous thing, you know. 521 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 2: I'm lucky enough for to Pa, so most of the 522 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 2: jobs I don't like she gets. So, you know, being 523 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,439 Speaker 2: on hold for Telstra, you know, waiting for builders to 524 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 2: turn up and they don't turn up, filling informs, dealing 525 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 2: with bureaucracy is just does my head in. 526 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: Are they parts of leadership that you don't like so much? 527 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 2: The people part sometimes I really struggle with. I love 528 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 2: the I love the people part when you're see people 529 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,439 Speaker 2: develop and being the best they can be. And I 530 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 2: hate the people part where people don't do the right 531 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 2: thing in the business, or that they do the right thing, 532 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,360 Speaker 2: but you know they're not quite good enough at their job. 533 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,399 Speaker 2: I'm not very good when people tell me problems because 534 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 2: in my head, in the back of my head, I 535 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:49,360 Speaker 2: go really, but externally I go, oh, really, so your 536 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 2: dog broke its leg. 537 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: That's sad. I'm sorry it did. 538 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 2: But I also believe in verbs and souls, and what 539 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,479 Speaker 2: that means for me is people who are victims titled 540 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 2: Rescue and Blame BERB, which is the people who come 541 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 2: and go I deserve a promotion because I've been here 542 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 2: for a year, or the mistake happened, it wasn't my 543 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 2: fault or I'm entitled to work from home. Right, So 544 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,159 Speaker 2: those sort of things is like they're verbs. Right, But 545 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 2: if you can change your life and become a sore, 546 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 2: which is solutions in businesses always problems, but if you're 547 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 2: constantly train your brain to go to solutions, ownership, ownership 548 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 2: is actually gives you power. Sore is solutions ownership, accountability 549 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 2: and responsibility. So I hire on that, I promote on that. 550 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 2: I look for people that has that. I do business 551 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 2: with people that are the SAW. So yeah, So I 552 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 2: truly believe that if you have everyone who is accountable 553 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,119 Speaker 2: and will call it when they get it wrong, and 554 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 2: a solution based you can achieve anything. 555 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: I love that. So one side just equals complacency. I 556 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:58,640 Speaker 1: guess yes, ultimately victims victims. And on that note, Janine, 557 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 1: you have finished with colors the chatterbox section. I now 558 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: have one last question which we ask all our guests, 559 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:17,360 Speaker 1: and that is, if you weren't running Boost and Betty's 560 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: Burgers and all the others, what would you be doing. 561 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 2: I'd like to it one day, maybe do a health retreat. 562 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 2: The longevity health space is booming. If we can get 563 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,160 Speaker 2: more people to consider their health, I mean the amount 564 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 2: of money people spend on cars and other stuff, but 565 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 2: their health. 566 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 1: I think i'd like to do that. 567 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 2: I think that there's a lot of cutting edge stuff, 568 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,159 Speaker 2: which you know, we have to be safe with and 569 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 2: we have to make sure that we know what we're doing. 570 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 2: But I think there's a lot of stuff out there 571 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 2: that could really help people. And it's not about living forever. 572 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:47,360 Speaker 2: I just want to leave as healthy as I can 573 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 2: until i'm not. 574 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so is eighty eight like that age or 575 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: do you think about an actual age or just I 576 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: don't think at age. 577 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 2: There's some super young eighty year olds and they're super 578 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 2: old thirty year olds. So I don't think people are 579 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 2: a number. Live as long as I can, as long 580 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 2: as I'm healthy, and if that's eighty, great, if that 581 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty, great, But that's my goal. 582 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: And Janine, that is our time up. Thank you so much. 583 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 1: I've really enjoyed listening to you about your morning routine 584 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 1: and the fact that you go into the water every 585 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 1: morning and you get those minerals from the salt water 586 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 1: on your skin. I love your health hack. You are 587 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: preparing now to be the future. Jeanine with a surfboard 588 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 1: under your arm at the age of eighty eight. I 589 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 1: really like the idea that you should promote people the 590 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 1: capability because the alternative is that you might promote them 591 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,360 Speaker 1: too far and they'll fail and it won't be good 592 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 1: for you either. I love the idea that you just 593 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 1: say yes because that is your chance to learn, So 594 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 1: I'm going to adopt that don't say no. And I 595 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 1: really like the idea that the successful people really should 596 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:54,640 Speaker 1: be all about solutions, ownership, accountability and responsibility and don't 597 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 1: be a victim. So thank you so much following us 598 00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 1: to spend fifty minutes with the Boss. It's been an 599 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:06,479 Speaker 1: absolute pleasure, and thank you to everyone for listening. 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